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Group: S-Trains Message: 75661 From: scaler164 Date: 1/1/2015
Subject: AM's 21" Radius Curve Track Sections (Again)
Group: S-Trains Message: 75662 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/1/2015
Subject: E 984 box car
Group: S-Trains Message: 75663 From: UNLV666@... Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: S Helper Turnouts and Bumper Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 75664 From: alan Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: Re: E 984 box car
Group: S-Trains Message: 75665 From: Mike Leahy Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: A.F. Royal Blue
Group: S-Trains Message: 75666 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: Re: E 984 box car
Group: S-Trains Message: 75667 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: Re: E 984 box car
Group: S-Trains Message: 75668 From: James Lyle Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: Re: S Helper Turnouts and Bumper Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 75669 From: UNLV666@... Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: Re: S Helper Turnouts and Bumper Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 75670 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: Re: E 984 box car
Group: S-Trains Message: 75671 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: Re: S-Helper Service Inc
Group: S-Trains Message: 75672 From: Mark Kiner Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: Image of 984 car end
Group: S-Trains Message: 75673 From: Mark Kiner Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: An even better picture of the 984
Group: S-Trains Message: 75674 From: traindavid Date: 1/3/2015
Subject: Re: E 984 box car & SHS diesel electronics needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 75675 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/3/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 05 January 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75676 From: kempfam Date: 1/4/2015
Subject: Re: E 984 box car & SHS diesel electronics needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 75677 From: Victor Bereskin Date: 1/4/2015
Subject: Re: E 984 box car & SHS diesel electronics needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 75678 From: EDWARD ECKERT Date: 1/4/2015
Subject: GM Train of Tomorrow, 1948
Group: S-Trains Message: 75679 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/4/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 05 January 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75680 From: bud9351 Date: 1/4/2015
Subject: Re: GM Train of Tomorrow, 1948
Group: S-Trains Message: 75681 From: Jim Armstrong Date: 1/5/2015
Subject: Re: GM Train of Tomorrow, 1948
Group: S-Trains Message: 75682 From: scaler164 Date: 1/5/2015
Subject: FOR SALE : SHS
Group: S-Trains Message: 75683 From: pickycat95 Date: 1/6/2015
Subject: SHS Scale Couplers to purchase or trade?
Group: S-Trains Message: 75684 From: Charles Hancock Date: 1/8/2015
Subject: Gilbert Diesel, 360
Group: S-Trains Message: 75685 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 1/9/2015
Subject: Re: Gilbert Diesel, 360
Group: S-Trains Message: 75686 From: snstrains Date: 1/9/2015
Subject: Re: Gilbert Diesel, 360
Group: S-Trains Message: 75687 From: Ted Walton Date: 1/9/2015
Subject: Re: AF #2 transformer problem? - Solved
Group: S-Trains Message: 75688 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 1/9/2015
Subject: Re: trade
Group: S-Trains Message: 75689 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/10/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 12 January 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75690 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/11/2015
Subject: Re: Gilbert Diesel, 360
Group: S-Trains Message: 75691 From: Bill Lane Date: 1/11/2015
Subject: Westinghouse flat car load for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 75692 From: Eric Date: 1/11/2015
Subject: SHS Track for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 75693 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/11/2015
Subject: 23743 track maint. Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 75694 From: Mark Kiner Date: 1/11/2015
Subject: Here is the link to pictures of the maint. car driver.
Group: S-Trains Message: 75695 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/11/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 12 January 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75696 From: traindavid Date: 1/11/2015
Subject: Green heavyweight KC sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 75697 From: snstrains Date: 1/11/2015
Subject: Re: Here is the link to pictures of the maint. car driver.
Group: S-Trains Message: 75698 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 1/12/2015
Subject: which way is this train going? controlwith your mind
Group: S-Trains Message: 75699 From: Jim Strompolis Date: 1/12/2015
Subject: TRAIN-O-RAMA
Group: S-Trains Message: 75700 From: alhbaker Date: 1/12/2015
Subject: Wanted: American Models Diesel Reverse Units (2)
Group: S-Trains Message: 75701 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/12/2015
Subject: Re: Which way is this train going...
Group: S-Trains Message: 75702 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 1/14/2015
Subject: Re: Gilbert Diesel, 360
Group: S-Trains Message: 75703 From: vito4cal Date: 1/14/2015
Subject: ANNOUCEMENT - S WEST 10 - Northern California
Group: S-Trains Message: 75704 From: snstrains Date: 1/14/2015
Subject: Re: ANNOUCEMENT - S WEST 10 - Northern California
Group: S-Trains Message: 75705 From: Charles Hancock Date: 1/15/2015
Subject: Re: Gilbert Diesel, 360, Thank You!
Group: S-Trains Message: 75706 From: John Gibson Date: 1/15/2015
Subject: Re: ANNOUCEMENT - S WEST 10 - Northern California
Group: S-Trains Message: 75707 From: Dale Smith Date: 1/15/2015
Subject: Re: ANNOUCEMENT - S WEST 10 - Northern California
Group: S-Trains Message: 75708 From: traindavid Date: 1/17/2015
Subject: Frank Titman's passing
Group: S-Trains Message: 75709 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/17/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 19 January 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75710 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/17/2015
Subject: Re: Frank Titman's passing
Group: S-Trains Message: 75711 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/18/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 19 January 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75712 From: rogermeekhof Date: 1/18/2015
Subject: Re: Wanted: American Models Diesel Reverse Units (2)
Group: S-Trains Message: 75713 From: afjeff_56 Date: 1/19/2015
Subject: Frank R. Titman, 93 - Obituary
Group: S-Trains Message: 75714 From: Greg Phillips Date: 1/19/2015
Subject: Question from a newbie
Group: S-Trains Message: 75715 From: James Lyle Date: 1/19/2015
Subject: A/F & MARX
Group: S-Trains Message: 75716 From: James Lyle Date: 1/20/2015
Subject: Re: A/F & MARX
Group: S-Trains Message: 75717 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/20/2015
Subject: Re: Question from a newbie
Group: S-Trains Message: 75718 From: wyoaf Date: 1/20/2015
Subject: Re: Question from a newbie
Group: S-Trains Message: 75719 From: Mike Leahy Date: 1/20/2015
Subject: Train Table for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 75720 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 1/20/2015
Subject: Re: Question from a newbie
Group: S-Trains Message: 75721 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 1/20/2015
Subject: For sale: NIB Flyonel 48493 NASG SP TTUX unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 75722 From: Dale Smith Date: 1/20/2015
Subject: Re: Question from a newbie
Group: S-Trains Message: 75723 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 1/20/2015
Subject: Re: Question from a newbie
Group: S-Trains Message: 75724 From: alan Date: 1/20/2015
Subject: Re: Question from a newbie
Group: S-Trains Message: 75725 From: Richard Reichard Date: 1/21/2015
Subject: Snow Throwing Off of Railroad Tracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 75726 From: rogermeekhof Date: 1/23/2015
Subject: AM D&H Alco PAs
Group: S-Trains Message: 75727 From: alhbaker Date: 1/23/2015
Subject: American Models FA-2 Diesel motor growl
Group: S-Trains Message: 75728 From: Robert Lampe Date: 1/23/2015
Subject: Re: American Models FA-2 Diesel motor growl
Group: S-Trains Message: 75729 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/24/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 26 January 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75730 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/25/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 26 January 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75731 From: Greg Phillips Date: 1/26/2015
Subject: Re: Question from a newbie
Group: S-Trains Message: 75732 From: Bill Lane Date: 1/26/2015
Subject: 1993 NASG convention cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 75733 From: alhbaker Date: 1/27/2015
Subject: Re: American Models FA-2 Diesel motor growl - new info
Group: S-Trains Message: 75734 From: poniaj Date: 1/27/2015
Subject: Re: American Models FA-2 Diesel motor growl - new info
Group: S-Trains Message: 75735 From: alhbaker Date: 1/27/2015
Subject: Re: American Models FA-2 Diesel motor growl - fixed !!
Group: S-Trains Message: 75736 From: ejenterp@pacbell.net Date: 1/28/2015
Subject: Train inventory For sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 75737 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 1/29/2015
Subject: Re: Train inventory For sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 75738 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 1/29/2015
Subject: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75739 From: richs009 Date: 1/30/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75740 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/30/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75741 From: race944t Date: 1/30/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75742 From: Gerry Siegel Date: 1/30/2015
Subject: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75743 From: Ron Inscho Date: 1/30/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75744 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/30/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75745 From: snstrains Date: 1/30/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75746 From: alan Date: 1/30/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75747 From: aftrains4u Date: 1/30/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75748 From: Mark Kiner Date: 1/30/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75749 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 1/30/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75750 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 1/30/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75751 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/30/2015
Subject: Re: MTH New Car Condition
Group: S-Trains Message: 75752 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 1/30/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75753 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 1/30/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75754 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 1/30/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75755 From: James Lyle Date: 1/31/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75756 From: Jim Eberhardy Date: 1/31/2015
Subject: Re: MTH New Car Condition
Group: S-Trains Message: 75757 From: traindavid Date: 1/31/2015
Subject: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75758 From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave Date: 1/31/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75759 From: richs009 Date: 1/31/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75760 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/31/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75761 From: tennsgauger Date: 1/31/2015
Subject: Re: MTH New Car Condition
Group: S-Trains Message: 75762 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 1/31/2015
Subject: Texas Special Side frame. Coal Dump car sideframe
Group: S-Trains Message: 75763 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/31/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75764 From: Ron Inscho Date: 1/31/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75765 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/31/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 02 February 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75766 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 1/31/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75767 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/31/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75768 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/31/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75769 From: alan Date: 2/1/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75770 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 2/1/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75771 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/1/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 02 February 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75772 From: hjsheffield Date: 2/1/2015
Subject: SHS 2-8-0
Group: S-Trains Message: 75773 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/2/2015
Subject: 1.2. Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75774 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/2/2015
Subject: USM Unloading Box Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 75775 From: Bill Lane Date: 2/2/2015
Subject: rail joiners
Group: S-Trains Message: 75776 From: lenscap76 Date: 2/2/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75777 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/2/2015
Subject: USM Box Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 75778 From: Paul Krause Date: 2/2/2015
Subject: Re: rail joiners
Group: S-Trains Message: 75779 From: race944t Date: 2/2/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75780 From: racin510 Date: 2/2/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75781 From: snstrains Date: 2/2/2015
Subject: Re: rail joiners
Group: S-Trains Message: 75782 From: jim8677 Date: 2/3/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75783 From: alan Date: 2/3/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75784 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/3/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes>>> THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM or THE LAW
Group: S-Trains Message: 75785 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/3/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75786 From: racin510 Date: 2/3/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes>>> THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM or THE LAW
Group: S-Trains Message: 75787 From: racin510 Date: 2/3/2015
Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
Group: S-Trains Message: 75788 From: stevew970 Date: 2/3/2015
Subject: New Products, Free Shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 75789 From: Mark Kiner Date: 2/4/2015
Subject: TMCC MOW Gantry Crane
Group: S-Trains Message: 75790 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/4/2015
Subject: Email request
Group: S-Trains Message: 75791 From: scaler164 Date: 2/4/2015
Subject: Lionel ES44AC
Group: S-Trains Message: 75792 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 2/4/2015
Subject: Re: TMCC MOW Gantry Crane
Group: S-Trains Message: 75793 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 2/5/2015
Subject: Re: Lionel ES44AC
Group: S-Trains Message: 75794 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/6/2015
Subject: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75795 From: Papa Date: 2/7/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75796 From: Tom Date: 2/7/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75797 From: alhbaker Date: 2/7/2015
Subject: Looking for S-Helper Couplers # 00295
Group: S-Trains Message: 75798 From: Paul Krause Date: 2/7/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75799 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/7/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 09 February 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75800 From: frank emiro Date: 2/7/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire CLICK HERE !!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 75801 From: Tom Date: 2/7/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire [1 Attachment]
Group: S-Trains Message: 75802 From: SnSTrains@... Date: 2/7/2015
Subject: S-Helper track connectors
Group: S-Trains Message: 75803 From: rick gough Date: 2/7/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75804 From: Obie Bell Date: 2/7/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75805 From: Mike Leahy Date: 2/8/2015
Subject: A.F. Promotional Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 75806 From: ecphora123 Date: 2/8/2015
Subject: Re: S-Helper track connectors
Group: S-Trains Message: 75807 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/8/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 09 February 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75808 From: Frank Emiro Date: 2/8/2015
Subject: Re: A.F. Promotional Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 75809 From: rlgriggs@bellsouth.net Date: 2/8/2015
Subject: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Stands
Group: S-Trains Message: 75810 From: Paul Krause Date: 2/8/2015
Subject: Re: S-Helper track connectors
Group: S-Trains Message: 75811 From: Papa Date: 2/8/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75812 From: Richard Reichard Date: 2/8/2015
Subject: NEW RUST REMOVING PRODUCT
Group: S-Trains Message: 75813 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/8/2015
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
Group: S-Trains Message: 75814 From: snstrains Date: 2/8/2015
Subject: Re: S-Helper track connectors
Group: S-Trains Message: 75815 From: H Schufl Date: 2/8/2015
Subject: AF Circus Wagons
Group: S-Trains Message: 75816 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
Group: S-Trains Message: 75817 From: Patrick McElroy Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: AF Circus Wagons
Group: S-Trains Message: 75818 From: Tom Detmer Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
Group: S-Trains Message: 75819 From: lou342ac Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75820 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
Group: S-Trains Message: 75821 From: icequeen1982 Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Where to find Floquil paint
Group: S-Trains Message: 75822 From: icequeen1982 Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Where to find Floquil Paint
Group: S-Trains Message: 75823 From: George Cohn Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
Group: S-Trains Message: 75824 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75825 From: alan Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
Group: S-Trains Message: 75826 From: ecphora123 Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Re: S-Helper track connectors
Group: S-Trains Message: 75827 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Re: Where to find Floquil Paint
Group: S-Trains Message: 75828 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Building detailing like windows and doors
Group: S-Trains Message: 75829 From: Tom Detmer Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
Group: S-Trains Message: 75830 From: Frank Emiro Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Re: Where to find Floquil Paint
Group: S-Trains Message: 75831 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Re: A.F. Promotional Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 75832 From: lou342ac Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75833 From: ac312 Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75834 From: ac312 Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
Group: S-Trains Message: 75835 From: traindavid Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75836 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/9/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75837 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 75838 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 75839 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: AFS Switch Indicators with LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 75840 From: Tom Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
Group: S-Trains Message: 75841 From: Ted Weiler Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: Re: A.F. Promotional Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 75842 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75843 From: bobnalbone04 Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: New Blog
Group: S-Trains Message: 75844 From: Ron Inscho Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 75845 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75846 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: Re: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 75847 From: Al Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75848 From: Ron Inscho Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: Re: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 75849 From: Ron Inscho Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: Re: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 75850 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75851 From: poniaj Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75852 From: mikenguy9 Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: s-fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 75853 From: alhbaker Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 75854 From: Tom Detmer Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: Re: s-fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 75855 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/10/2015
Subject: Re: New Blog
Group: S-Trains Message: 75856 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75857 From: rxman46321 Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: Need scale wheels for SHS F-3
Group: S-Trains Message: 75858 From: Bill Clark Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: Re: Need scale wheels for SHS F-3
Group: S-Trains Message: 75859 From: ac312 Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75860 From: paflyrman Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: Mis-stamped 660 Aluminum Combines
Group: S-Trains Message: 75861 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: Re: Mis-stamped 660 Aluminum Combines
Group: S-Trains Message: 75862 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: Re: Need scale wheels for SHS F-3
Group: S-Trains Message: 75863 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: Re: Need scale wheels for SHS F-3
Group: S-Trains Message: 75864 From: rlgriggs@bellsouth.net Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: Problem uploading files in files section
Group: S-Trains Message: 75865 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 75866 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 75867 From: pickycat95 Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: Re: Need scale wheels for SHS F-3
Group: S-Trains Message: 75868 From: traindavid Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75869 From: Dale Minard Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: Re: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 75870 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: Re: Problem uploading files in files section
Group: S-Trains Message: 75871 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: Re: Need scale wheels for SHS F-3
Group: S-Trains Message: 75872 From: n6ojj Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: Need scale wheels for SHS SW-1
Group: S-Trains Message: 75873 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/11/2015
Subject: Re: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 75874 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/12/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 75875 From: racin510 Date: 2/12/2015
Subject: Re: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 75876 From: beebear Date: 2/12/2015
Subject: FW: 2015 Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 75877 From: Dale Smith Date: 2/12/2015
Subject: Re: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 75878 From: Dale Smith Date: 2/12/2015
Subject: Re: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 75879 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/12/2015
Subject: Re: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 75880 From: rudypenne Date: 2/12/2015
Subject: Re: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 75881 From: Charles Hancock Date: 2/12/2015
Subject: Flyer reverse unit question
Group: S-Trains Message: 75882 From: James Lyle Date: 2/12/2015
Subject: Re: Flyer reverse unit question
Group: S-Trains Message: 75883 From: James Lyle Date: 2/12/2015
Subject: Flyer E unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 75884 From: snstrains Date: 2/13/2015
Subject: Re: Flyer reverse unit question
Group: S-Trains Message: 75885 From: snstrains Date: 2/13/2015
Subject: Re: Flyer reverse unit question
Group: S-Trains Message: 75886 From: Papa Date: 2/13/2015
Subject: Re: Flyer reverse unit question
Group: S-Trains Message: 75887 From: poniaj Date: 2/13/2015
Subject: Re: Flyer E unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 75888 From: w7ts Date: 2/13/2015
Subject: Large lot of American Flyer items.
Group: S-Trains Message: 75889 From: Mark Kiner Date: 2/13/2015
Subject: Northern Pacific PA-1 6-49602 Passenger for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 75890 From: Mark Kiner Date: 2/13/2015
Subject: Re: [AvailableSgauge] Northern Pacific PA-1 6-49602 Passenger for sa
Group: S-Trains Message: 75891 From: Edward Musil Date: 2/13/2015
Subject: Re: Large lot of American Flyer items.
Group: S-Trains Message: 75892 From: Ken Kinyon Date: 2/13/2015
Subject: Re: Large lot of American Flyer items.
Group: S-Trains Message: 75893 From: aftrains4u Date: 2/13/2015
Subject: Wiring Lionel's 045N Gateman to S-Guage Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 75894 From: racin510 Date: 2/13/2015
Subject: Re: Wiring Lionel's 045N Gateman to S-Guage Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 75895 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/14/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 16 February 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75896 From: Charles Hancock Date: 2/14/2015
Subject: Re: Flyer reverse unit question
Group: S-Trains Message: 75897 From: snstrains Date: 2/14/2015
Subject: Re: Flyer reverse unit question
Group: S-Trains Message: 75898 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/15/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 16 February 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75899 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/16/2015
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: REX drivers
Group: S-Trains Message: 75900 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/17/2015
Subject: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 75901 From: gp4mikey Date: 2/17/2015
Subject: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
Group: S-Trains Message: 75902 From: Mike and Debra Vana Date: 2/17/2015
Subject: REX drivers
Group: S-Trains Message: 75903 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/17/2015
Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
Group: S-Trains Message: 75904 From: Mark Speichert Date: 2/17/2015
Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
Group: S-Trains Message: 75905 From: calleytwo Date: 2/17/2015
Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
Group: S-Trains Message: 75906 From: Tom Detmer Date: 2/17/2015
Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
Group: S-Trains Message: 75907 From: alanstrains Date: 2/17/2015
Subject: Connect AM code 148 to Flyer switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 75908 From: racin510 Date: 2/17/2015
Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
Group: S-Trains Message: 75909 From: racin510 Date: 2/17/2015
Subject: Re: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 75910 From: snstrains Date: 2/17/2015
Subject: Re: Connect AM code 148 to Flyer switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 75911 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/18/2015
Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
Group: S-Trains Message: 75912 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 2/18/2015
Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
Group: S-Trains Message: 75913 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/18/2015
Subject: connect AM code 148 to Flyer switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 75914 From: timstrains2000 Date: 2/18/2015
Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
Group: S-Trains Message: 75915 From: race944t Date: 2/18/2015
Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
Group: S-Trains Message: 75916 From: Tom Detmer Date: 2/18/2015
Subject: Re: connect AM code 148 to Flyer switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 75917 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/18/2015
Subject: Re: connect AM code 148 to Flyer switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 75918 From: daleminard Date: 2/18/2015
Subject: LBR Follow-Up Post
Group: S-Trains Message: 75919 From: snstrains Date: 2/18/2015
Subject: American Models track need
Group: S-Trains Message: 75920 From: James Lyle Date: 2/18/2015
Subject: Re: American Models track need
Group: S-Trains Message: 75921 From: racin510 Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
Group: S-Trains Message: 75922 From: fmoshenri88 Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: AF 771 Cattle Stockyard Cows
Group: S-Trains Message: 75923 From: David Woods Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: Re: AF 771 Cattle Stockyard Cows
Group: S-Trains Message: 75924 From: Jim Armstrong Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
Group: S-Trains Message: 75925 From: snstrains Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: Re: AF 771 Cattle Stockyard Cows
Group: S-Trains Message: 75926 From: daleminard Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: S Scale Decals for the M&StL Railroad
Group: S-Trains Message: 75927 From: alan Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: Hi rail trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 75928 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: AF sitches and new track
Group: S-Trains Message: 75929 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: Re: AF 771 Cattle Stockyard Cows
Group: S-Trains Message: 75930 From: Ron Inscho Date: 2/20/2015
Subject: Re: Hi rail trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 75931 From: alan Date: 2/20/2015
Subject: Re: Hi rail trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 75932 From: snstrains Date: 2/20/2015
Subject: SHS track joiners to AF track
Group: S-Trains Message: 75933 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/21/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 23 February 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75934 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 2/21/2015
Subject: Re: Hi rail trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 75935 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/22/2015
Subject: Re: Hi rail trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 75936 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/22/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 23 February 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75937 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/22/2015
Subject: Re: Hi rail trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 75938 From: Mike Hayes Date: 2/23/2015
Subject: Re: Hi rail trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 75939 From: thecitrusbelt Date: 2/24/2015
Subject: S Gauge Layout Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 75940 From: nnn0tjf Date: 2/26/2015
Subject: 2-8-8-2 AF Early models
Group: S-Trains Message: 75941 From: Bill Clark Date: 2/26/2015
Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2 AF Early models
Group: S-Trains Message: 75942 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/28/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 02 March 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75943 From: nnn0tjf Date: 3/1/2015
Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2 AF Early models
Group: S-Trains Message: 75944 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/1/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 02 March 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75945 From: Bill Clark Date: 3/1/2015
Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2 AF Early models
Group: S-Trains Message: 75946 From: Mike Leahy Date: 3/1/2015
Subject: Frontiersman Box
Group: S-Trains Message: 75947 From: George Cohn Date: 3/1/2015
Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2 AF Early models
Group: S-Trains Message: 75948 From: americanflyer Date: 3/1/2015
Subject: Re: Frontiersman Box
Group: S-Trains Message: 75949 From: V & K Neimanis Date: 3/2/2015
Subject: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not!
Group: S-Trains Message: 75950 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 3/2/2015
Subject: Re: Frontiersman Box
Group: S-Trains Message: 75951 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 3/2/2015
Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not!
Group: S-Trains Message: 75952 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 3/2/2015
Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not!
Group: S-Trains Message: 75953 From: James Lyle Date: 3/2/2015
Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not!
Group: S-Trains Message: 75954 From: nnn0tjf Date: 3/3/2015
Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2 AF Early models
Group: S-Trains Message: 75955 From: George Cohn Date: 3/3/2015
Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not!
Group: S-Trains Message: 75956 From: V & K Neimanis Date: 3/3/2015
Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not! (2)
Group: S-Trains Message: 75957 From: richs009 Date: 3/3/2015
Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not! (2)
Group: S-Trains Message: 75958 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/3/2015
Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not! (2)
Group: S-Trains Message: 75959 From: Tom Detmer Date: 3/3/2015
Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not! (2)
Group: S-Trains Message: 75960 From: traindavid Date: 3/4/2015
Subject: ACG crossing bells (in the little house)
Group: S-Trains Message: 75961 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/4/2015
Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not! (2)
Group: S-Trains Message: 75962 From: yorktown26 Date: 3/4/2015
Subject: AF Smoking caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75963 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/4/2015
Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75964 From: racin510 Date: 3/4/2015
Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75965 From: yorktown26 Date: 3/5/2015
Subject: AF smoking caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75966 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/5/2015
Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75967 From: sgaugian Date: 3/5/2015
Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2 AF Early models
Group: S-Trains Message: 75968 From: dphobbies Date: 3/5/2015
Subject: New S Scale Loco Kit Meet and Greet in Des Plaines March 15th
Group: S-Trains Message: 75969 From: V & K Neimanis Date: 3/5/2015
Subject: Re: ACG crossing bells (in the little house)
Group: S-Trains Message: 75970 From: Tom Date: 3/5/2015
Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75971 From: afot7 Date: 3/5/2015
Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75972 From: Tom Date: 3/5/2015
Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75973 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/6/2015
Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75974 From: yorktown26 Date: 3/6/2015
Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75975 From: Tom Date: 3/6/2015
Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75976 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 3/6/2015
Subject: 1:64 diecast vehicles for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 75977 From: Tom Detmer Date: 3/6/2015
Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75978 From: downtowndeco Date: 3/7/2015
Subject: Looking for a huge background flat?
Group: S-Trains Message: 75979 From: afot7 Date: 3/7/2015
Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75980 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/7/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 09 March 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75981 From: traindavid Date: 3/7/2015
Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75982 From: Art Cooper Date: 3/7/2015
Subject: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
Group: S-Trains Message: 75983 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/8/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 09 March 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 75984 From: racin510 Date: 3/8/2015
Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75985 From: Richard Falzini Date: 3/9/2015
Subject: uncataloged train sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 75986 From: Don Rosa Date: 3/9/2015
Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75987 From: snstrains Date: 3/9/2015
Subject: Re: uncataloged train sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 75988 From: Tom Date: 3/9/2015
Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75989 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/9/2015
Subject: Re: uncataloged train sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 75990 From: James Lyle Date: 3/9/2015
Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 75991 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 3/9/2015
Subject: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 75992 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 3/9/2015
Subject: Re: uncataloged train sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 75993 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 3/9/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 75994 From: Sam & Peggy Date: 3/9/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 75995 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 3/9/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 75996 From: Frank Date: 3/9/2015
Subject: Re: uncataloged train sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 75997 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/9/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 75998 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/9/2015
Subject: Re: uncataloged train sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 75999 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 3/9/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76000 From: mike_fuschetto Date: 3/9/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76001 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/9/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76002 From: Mike Leahy Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: Almost Complete Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 76003 From: Bob Hannon Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76004 From: bobville Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76005 From: lionely6b Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide ..."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76006 From: Thomas Barker Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76007 From: David Highfield Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76008 From: americanflyer Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: Re: uncataloged train sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 76009 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76010 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide ..."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76011 From: wjgill1 Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76012 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76013 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76014 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: New K-Line AF repair book
Group: S-Trains Message: 76015 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide ..."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76016 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76017 From: V & K Neimanis Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
Group: S-Trains Message: 76018 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76019 From: Art Cooper Date: 3/10/2015
Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
Group: S-Trains Message: 76020 From: timstrains2000 Date: 3/11/2015
Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
Group: S-Trains Message: 76021 From: Art Cooper Date: 3/11/2015
Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
Group: S-Trains Message: 76022 From: gdotn0868@att.net Date: 3/12/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76023 From: Ken Christiansen Date: 3/12/2015
Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
Group: S-Trains Message: 76024 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/13/2015
Subject: Bullfrog Snot
Group: S-Trains Message: 76025 From: timstrains2000 Date: 3/13/2015
Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
Group: S-Trains Message: 76026 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 3/13/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76027 From: fahrwud Date: 3/13/2015
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 09 March 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76028 From: wjgill1 Date: 3/13/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76029 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 3/13/2015
Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76030 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 3/14/2015
Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
Group: S-Trains Message: 76031 From: traindavid Date: 3/14/2015
Subject: Re: Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains Message: 76032 From: timstrains2000 Date: 3/14/2015
Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
Group: S-Trains Message: 76033 From: Mark Kiner Date: 3/14/2015
Subject: Christmas Dump Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76034 From: fahrwud Date: 3/14/2015
Subject: Re: Egyptian railway station water tower reference
Group: S-Trains Message: 76035 From: Gary Nessel Date: 3/14/2015
Subject: Re: Christmas Dump Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76036 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/14/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 16 March 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76037 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 3/14/2015
Subject: Re: Christmas Dump Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76038 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 3/14/2015
Subject: Re: Christmas Dump Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76039 From: ronaldd757 Date: 3/15/2015
Subject: Re: Christmas Dump Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76040 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/15/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 16 March 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76041 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 3/15/2015
Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
Group: S-Trains Message: 76042 From: Ron Inscho Date: 3/15/2015
Subject: Re: Christmas Dump Car& junk trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76043 From: Gary Nessel Date: 3/15/2015
Subject: Re: Christmas Dump Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76044 From: redpinto756@... Date: 3/15/2015
Subject: Re: Christmas Dump Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76045 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 3/15/2015
Subject: Flyonel coal dump cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76046 From: timstrains2000 Date: 3/15/2015
Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
Group: S-Trains Message: 76047 From: keyhole_corona Date: 3/15/2015
Subject: Re: Flyonel coal dump cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76048 From: James Lyle Date: 3/15/2015
Subject: Re: Flyonel coal dump cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76049 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 3/15/2015
Subject: Re: Christmas Dump Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76050 From: Ron Inscho Date: 3/15/2015
Subject: Re: Flyonel coal dump cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76051 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 3/15/2015
Subject: Re: Flyonel coal dump cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76053 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/16/2015
Subject: Re: Flyonel coal dump cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76054 From: Michael Date: 3/16/2015
Subject: Happy National S-Gauge Day!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76055 From: RONALD KEMP Date: 3/16/2015
Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76056 From: traindavid Date: 3/16/2015
Subject: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76057 From: Greg Phillips Date: 3/16/2015
Subject: Train shop robberies in Pennsylvania
Group: S-Trains Message: 76058 From: Tom Date: 3/16/2015
Subject: Re: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76059 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 3/16/2015
Subject: Re: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76060 From: James Lyle Date: 3/16/2015
Subject: Re: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76061 From: Ron Inscho Date: 3/16/2015
Subject: Re: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76062 From: James Lyle Date: 3/16/2015
Subject: Re: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76063 From: snstrains Date: 3/16/2015
Subject: Re: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76064 From: snstrains Date: 3/16/2015
Subject: Re: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76065 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 3/16/2015
Subject: Re: Flyonel coal dump cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76067 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/16/2015
Subject: Re: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76068 From: traindavid Date: 3/16/2015
Subject: Lionel Production complaints: was: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76069 From: tennsgauger Date: 3/17/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76070 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/17/2015
Subject: Re: Lionel Production complaints: was: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76071 From: Mark Kiner Date: 3/17/2015
Subject: Coal dump cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76072 From: Mark Speichert Date: 3/17/2015
Subject: Re: Lionel Production complaints: was: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76073 From: redpinto756@... Date: 3/17/2015
Subject: Re: Lionel Production complaints: was: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76074 From: racin510 Date: 3/17/2015
Subject: Re: Coal dump cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76075 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/17/2015
Subject: As long as it sells...
Group: S-Trains Message: 76076 From: Tom Date: 3/17/2015
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] !@#**!! Flyonel trucks - Flyonel response
Group: S-Trains Message: 76077 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/18/2015
Subject: Re: Coal dump cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76078 From: Ron Inscho Date: 3/19/2015
Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
Group: S-Trains Message: 76080 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 3/20/2015
Subject: Big Boy for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76081 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 3/20/2015
Subject: Re: Big Boy for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76082 From: racin510 Date: 3/20/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76083 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 3/21/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76084 From: Ray Puls Date: 3/21/2015
Subject: Big Boy for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76085 From: frbpman Date: 3/21/2015
Subject: S Guage Layout at Worlds Greatest Hobby on Tour Show-ANNOUNCEMENT
Group: S-Trains Message: 76086 From: Harley J Date: 3/21/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76087 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 3/21/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76088 From: racin510 Date: 3/21/2015
Subject: Re: Big Boy for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76089 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/21/2015
Subject: Re: Big Boy for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76090 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/21/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 23 March 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76091 From: Donald Keil Date: 3/21/2015
Subject: Re: S Guage Layout at Worlds Greatest Hobby on Tour Show-ANNOUNCEMEN
Group: S-Trains Message: 76092 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/22/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 23 March 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76093 From: railtwister Date: 3/22/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76094 From: racin510 Date: 3/22/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76095 From: JOHN RUTH Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: The Passing of Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 76096 From: snstrains Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 76097 From: trndad Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 76098 From: mike gardner Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 76099 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 76100 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 76101 From: timstrains2000 Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 76102 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 76103 From: Barry Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 76104 From: James Lyle Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 76105 From: race944t Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Joe Haenn (Joe's Train Repair) funeral arrangements
Group: S-Trains Message: 76106 From: bobville Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 76107 From: JOHN RUTH Date: 3/24/2015
Subject: Pictorial Tribute to Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 76108 From: railtwister Date: 3/24/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76109 From: lionely6b Date: 3/24/2015
Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 76110 From: Lamont Heppe Date: 3/24/2015
Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 76111 From: Art Cooper Date: 3/24/2015
Subject: Norfolk Southern: What Daddy does for a living
Group: S-Trains Message: 76112 From: racin510 Date: 3/24/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76113 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/29/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 30 March 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76114 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 4/1/2015
Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76115 From: V & K Neimanis Date: 4/1/2015
Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76116 From: Paul Krause Date: 4/1/2015
Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76117 From: alhbaker Date: 4/1/2015
Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76118 From: racin510 Date: 4/1/2015
Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76119 From: pickycat95 Date: 4/1/2015
Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76120 From: srgriggs Date: 4/1/2015
Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76121 From: trndad Date: 4/1/2015
Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76122 From: richs009 Date: 4/2/2015
Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76123 From: trndad Date: 4/2/2015
Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76124 From: racin510 Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Hudson Eccentric Crank
Group: S-Trains Message: 76125 From: racin510 Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 76126 From: harjon4563 Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Making it S
Group: S-Trains Message: 76127 From: snstrains Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: Making it S [2 Attachments]
Group: S-Trains Message: 76128 From: Paul Krause Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: Making it S [2 Attachments]
Group: S-Trains Message: 76129 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/4/2015
Subject: Re: Hudson Eccentric Crank
Group: S-Trains Message: 76130 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/4/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 05 April 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76131 From: poniaj Date: 4/4/2015
Subject: Re: Making it S
Group: S-Trains Message: 76132 From: rick gough Date: 4/4/2015
Subject: Re: Hudson Eccentric Crank
Group: S-Trains Message: 76133 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/5/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 05 April 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76134 From: traindavid Date: 4/8/2015
Subject: SHS sound board value?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76135 From: James Lyle Date: 4/8/2015
Subject: Re: SHS sound board value?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76136 From: tiga34@att.net Date: 4/9/2015
Subject: Re: SHS sound board value?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76137 From: rpassarette Date: 4/10/2015
Subject: Lionel's Culvert Pipe Loader and American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 76138 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/11/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 12 April 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76139 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/12/2015
Subject: Lionel's Pipe Loader and American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 76140 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/12/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 12 April 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76141 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 4/12/2015
Subject: We Have Lost Another
Group: S-Trains Message: 76142 From: mike rosz Date: 4/12/2015
Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
Group: S-Trains Message: 76143 From: mike rosz Date: 4/12/2015
Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
Group: S-Trains Message: 76144 From: Harley J Date: 4/12/2015
Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
Group: S-Trains Message: 76145 From: Rick Evans Date: 4/12/2015
Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
Group: S-Trains Message: 76146 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/12/2015
Subject: We have lost another
Group: S-Trains Message: 76147 From: TWesthelle@... Date: 4/12/2015
Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
Group: S-Trains Message: 76148 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 4/12/2015
Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
Group: S-Trains Message: 76149 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 4/13/2015
Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
Group: S-Trains Message: 76150 From: acgilbertguy Date: 4/13/2015
Subject: AF 499 GE Electric
Group: S-Trains Message: 76151 From: lou342ac Date: 4/13/2015
Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
Group: S-Trains Message: 76152 From: traindavid Date: 4/13/2015
Subject: Re: Lost another one, Bob Conner's estate sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76153 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/14/2015
Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
Group: S-Trains Message: 76154 From: rpassarette Date: 4/14/2015
Subject: Culvert Loader follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76155 From: rpassarette Date: 4/14/2015
Subject: Lionel's Pipe Loader and American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 76156 From: bobgarm Date: 4/14/2015
Subject: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 76157 From: Robert Lampe Date: 4/14/2015
Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 76158 From: snstrains Date: 4/14/2015
Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 76159 From: Bill Clark Date: 4/14/2015
Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 76160 From: James Lyle Date: 4/14/2015
Subject: Re: Culvert Loader follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76161 From: racin510 Date: 4/14/2015
Subject: Re: Culvert Loader follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76162 From: mikenguy9 Date: 4/14/2015
Subject: 1946 coal dump car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76163 From: barb Date: 4/14/2015
Subject: We have lost another
Group: S-Trains Message: 76164 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 4/15/2015
Subject: S Spree in Dayton Ohio this May.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76165 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/15/2015
Subject: Culvert Loader follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76166 From: lou342ac Date: 4/15/2015
Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 76167 From: bruno823 Date: 4/15/2015
Subject: Re: Lost another one, Bob Conner's estate sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76168 From: Mike Leahy Date: 4/15/2015
Subject: We have lost another
Group: S-Trains Message: 76169 From: traindavid Date: 4/15/2015
Subject: 1946 coal dump car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76170 From: beebear Date: 4/15/2015
Subject: Re: S Spree in Dayton Ohio this May.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76171 From: mike rosz Date: 4/15/2015
Subject: Re: We have lost another
Group: S-Trains Message: 76172 From: mike rosz Date: 4/15/2015
Subject: Re: 1946 coal dump car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76173 From: daleminard Date: 4/15/2015
Subject: Old Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 76174 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/15/2015
Subject: S Spree in Dayton, OH.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76175 From: alanstrains Date: 4/15/2015
Subject: Re: S Spree in Dayton Ohio this May.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76176 From: alan Date: 4/15/2015
Subject: Re: Old Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 76177 From: snstrains Date: 4/15/2015
Subject: Re: S Spree in Dayton Ohio this May.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76178 From: alan Date: 4/15/2015
Subject: Re: S Spree in Dayton, OH.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76179 From: Warner, Ronald Date: 4/15/2015
Subject: Re: Old Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 76180 From: afjeff_56 Date: 4/16/2015
Subject: We have lost another
Group: S-Trains Message: 76181 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: "Continental Flyer, Inc."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76182 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: "Continental Flyer, Inc."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76183 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: "Continental Flyer, Inc."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76184 From: americanflyer Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: "Continental Flyer, Inc."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76185 From: Charles Hancock Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: 771 Stockyard
Group: S-Trains Message: 76186 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: Re: "Continental Flyer, Inc."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76187 From: lou342ac Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: Re: "Continental Flyer, Inc."
Group: S-Trains Message: 76188 From: traindavid Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: Re: "Continental Flyer, Inc.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76189 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: Re: "Continental Flyer, Inc.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76190 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 19 April 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76191 From: traindavid Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: MTH 2015 catalog?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76192 From: beebear Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: S Spree in Dayton Ohio this May.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76193 From: Roy Inman Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76194 From: Gary Nessel Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76195 From: Frank Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76196 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 19 April 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76197 From: Roy Inman Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76198 From: Tom Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76199 From: Gary Nessel Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: MTH 2015 catalog?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76200 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76201 From: Roy Inman Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76202 From: Frank Emiro Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76203 From: Gary Nessel Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76204 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76205 From: alan Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76206 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 4/20/2015
Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76207 From: gdotn0868@att.net Date: 4/20/2015
Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76208 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 4/21/2015
Subject: Cloth tape for vintage trains??
Group: S-Trains Message: 76209 From: Robert Lampe Date: 4/21/2015
Subject: Re: Cloth tape for vintage trains??
Group: S-Trains Message: 76210 From: kissimmeeaf Date: 4/22/2015
Subject: Re: Cloth tape for vintage trains??
Group: S-Trains Message: 76211 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/22/2015
Subject: dentist tomorrow @ 12:00, Wednesday, 22 April 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76212 From: traindavid Date: 4/22/2015
Subject: Cloth tape for vintage trains??
Group: S-Trains Message: 76213 From: nnn0tjf Date: 4/23/2015
Subject: Flyonel couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 76214 From: Bill Clark Date: 4/23/2015
Subject: Re: Flyonel couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 76215 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 4/23/2015
Subject: Coal Dump Return Spring
Group: S-Trains Message: 76216 From: William J Gill Date: 4/23/2015
Subject: Re: Coal Dump Return Spring
Group: S-Trains Message: 76217 From: albert paolozzi Date: 4/23/2015
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard
Group: S-Trains Message: 76218 From: bobgarm Date: 4/24/2015
Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 76219 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 4/24/2015
Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 76220 From: ronaldd757 Date: 4/24/2015
Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 76221 From: ronaldd757 Date: 4/25/2015
Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 76222 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 4/25/2015
Subject: Re: Coal Dump Return Spring
Group: S-Trains Message: 76223 From: Charles Hancock Date: 4/25/2015
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard
Group: S-Trains Message: 76224 From: bobgarm Date: 4/25/2015
Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 76225 From: albert paolozzi Date: 4/25/2015
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard
Group: S-Trains Message: 76226 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/25/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 26 April 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76227 From: nnn0tjf Date: 4/26/2015
Subject: Re: Flyonel couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 76228 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 4/26/2015
Subject: Original Tipple Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76229 From: Mike Leahy Date: 4/26/2015
Subject: Removing decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 76230 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 4/26/2015
Subject: AM cross over help needed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76231 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/26/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 26 April 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76232 From: fahrwud Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: Cloth tape for vintage trains??
Group: S-Trains Message: 76233 From: Dave W Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6737
Group: S-Trains Message: 76234 From: Joe Haughney Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: York News
Group: S-Trains Message: 76235 From: Robert Lampe Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: York News
Group: S-Trains Message: 76236 From: bobgarm Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 76237 From: Mike and Debra Vana Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Gilbert HO F3 replacement gears
Group: S-Trains Message: 76238 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 76239 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO F3 replacement gears
Group: S-Trains Message: 76240 From: Ron Inscho Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO F3 replacement gears
Group: S-Trains Message: 76241 From: richs009 Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO F3 replacement gears
Group: S-Trains Message: 76242 From: Kyle Date: 4/28/2015
Subject: Re: York News
Group: S-Trains Message: 76243 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/28/2015
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO F3 replacement gears
Group: S-Trains Message: 76244 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/29/2015
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO F3 replacement gears
Group: S-Trains Message: 76245 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/29/2015
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 76246 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 4/29/2015
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO F3 replacement gears
Group: S-Trains Message: 76247 From: traindavid Date: 4/30/2015
Subject: Sorry about that file notification
Group: S-Trains Message: 76248 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/2/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 03 May 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76249 From: Charles Hancock Date: 5/3/2015
Subject: Af 771 Stockyard
Group: S-Trains Message: 76250 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/3/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 03 May 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76251 From: Charles Hancock Date: 5/3/2015
Subject: AF 771 Stockyard
Group: S-Trains Message: 76252 From: UNLV666@... Date: 5/4/2015
Subject: S-Helper Turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 76253 From: James Lyle Date: 5/4/2015
Subject: Re: S-Helper Turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 76254 From: UNLV666@... Date: 5/5/2015
Subject: Re: S-Helper Turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 76255 From: stephen.terni Date: 5/5/2015
Subject: AF Lehigh Valley ES44AC Legacy Diesel AB Set 6-42548 6-42549
Group: S-Trains Message: 76256 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/6/2015
Subject: Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 76257 From: alan Date: 5/6/2015
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 76258 From: beebear Date: 5/6/2015
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 76259 From: poniaj Date: 5/6/2015
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 76260 From: traindavid Date: 5/7/2015
Subject: Spree, & lack of activity
Group: S-Trains Message: 76261 From: snstrains Date: 5/7/2015
Subject: Re: Spree, & lack of activity
Group: S-Trains Message: 76262 From: afjeff_56 Date: 5/8/2015
Subject: Re: Spree, & lack of activity
Group: S-Trains Message: 76263 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 5/8/2015
Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
Group: S-Trains Message: 76264 From: traindavid Date: 5/8/2015
Subject: Re: Spree, & lack of activity
Group: S-Trains Message: 76265 From: Mark Skertich Date: 5/8/2015
Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
Group: S-Trains Message: 76266 From: edinboro67 Date: 5/8/2015
Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
Group: S-Trains Message: 76267 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/9/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 10 May 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76268 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/10/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 10 May 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76269 From: rpuls3 Date: 5/11/2015
Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
Group: S-Trains Message: 76270 From: rpuls3 Date: 5/11/2015
Subject: scale wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 76271 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/11/2015
Subject: Spring Spree Sprung
Group: S-Trains Message: 76272 From: Neil MacDonald Date: 5/11/2015
Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
Group: S-Trains Message: 76273 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 5/11/2015
Subject: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 76274 From: Ray Puls Date: 5/11/2015
Subject: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 76275 From: bud9351 Date: 5/11/2015
Subject: Looking for S Helper "scale" wheelsets
Group: S-Trains Message: 76276 From: Neil MacDonald Date: 5/11/2015
Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
Group: S-Trains Message: 76277 From: David McBrayer Date: 5/11/2015
Subject: Re: Spring Spree Sprung
Group: S-Trains Message: 76278 From: rudypenne Date: 5/11/2015
Subject: Re: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 76279 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 5/11/2015
Subject: Lack of people.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76280 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 5/11/2015
Subject: S Trains.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76281 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 5/12/2015
Subject: Re: scale wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 76282 From: Donald Keil Date: 5/12/2015
Subject: Re: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 76283 From: poniaj Date: 5/12/2015
Subject: Re: S Trains.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76284 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/12/2015
Subject: Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 76285 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 5/12/2015
Subject: Re: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 76286 From: rudypenne Date: 5/12/2015
Subject: Re: PAINT MATCH
Group: S-Trains Message: 76287 From: Anthony Cynor Date: 5/12/2015
Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
Group: S-Trains Message: 76288 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/13/2015
Subject: estate sales, Wednesday, 13 May 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76289 From: americanflyer Date: 5/14/2015
Subject: Re: PAINT MATCH
Group: S-Trains Message: 76290 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 5/14/2015
Subject: Train crash question?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76291 From: snstrains Date: 5/15/2015
Subject: Re: PAINT MATCH
Group: S-Trains Message: 76292 From: racin510 Date: 5/15/2015
Subject: Re: PAINT MATCH
Group: S-Trains Message: 76293 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/15/2015
Subject: Train Crash Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76294 From: Wayne Zebron Date: 5/15/2015
Subject: GRCX Tank Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76295 From: Frank Emiro Date: 5/15/2015
Subject: Re: Train Crash Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76296 From: americanflyer Date: 5/15/2015
Subject: Re: PAINT MATCH
Group: S-Trains Message: 76297 From: rudypenne Date: 5/15/2015
Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
Group: S-Trains Message: 76298 From: alan Date: 5/16/2015
Subject: Re: GRCX Tank Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76299 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 5/16/2015
Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
Group: S-Trains Message: 76300 From: racin510 Date: 5/16/2015
Subject: Re: PAINT MATCH
Group: S-Trains Message: 76301 From: acgilbertguy Date: 5/16/2015
Subject: Chimney for AF #50 District School
Group: S-Trains Message: 76302 From: alan Date: 5/16/2015
Subject: Re: Chimney for AF #50 District School
Group: S-Trains Message: 76303 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/16/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 17 May 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76304 From: Ron Inscho Date: 5/16/2015
Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
Group: S-Trains Message: 76305 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/17/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76306 From: acgilbertguy Date: 5/17/2015
Subject: Chimney on AF #50 District School...Wood or Plastic?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76307 From: alan Date: 5/17/2015
Subject: Steel Hi rail trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76308 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/17/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 17 May 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76309 From: alan Date: 5/17/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76310 From: snstrains Date: 5/17/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76311 From: racin510 Date: 5/17/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76312 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/18/2015
Subject: Re: Chimney on AF #50 District School...Wood or Plastic?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76313 From: Ron Inscho Date: 5/18/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76314 From: Ray Puls Date: 5/18/2015
Subject: LBR follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76315 From: traindavid Date: 5/18/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up-being in Biz in an internet world
Group: S-Trains Message: 76316 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 5/18/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76317 From: alan Date: 5/18/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up-being in Biz in an internet world
Group: S-Trains Message: 76318 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 5/18/2015
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 17 May 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76319 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/18/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76320 From: acgilbertguy Date: 5/18/2015
Subject: Re: Chimney on AF #50 District School...Wood or Plastic?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76321 From: racin510 Date: 5/19/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up-being in Biz in an internet world
Group: S-Trains Message: 76322 From: Gary Nessel Date: 5/19/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76323 From: rudypenne Date: 5/19/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76324 From: Ron Inscho Date: 5/19/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76325 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 5/19/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76326 From: fixitmanbill Date: 5/20/2015
Subject: Size of motors in steam locomotives.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76327 From: fixitmanbill Date: 5/20/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76328 From: Bob Groh Date: 5/21/2015
Subject: Re: Size of motors in steam locomotives.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76329 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/21/2015
Subject: Size of motors
Group: S-Trains Message: 76330 From: racin510 Date: 5/21/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76331 From: Gary Nessel Date: 5/21/2015
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 17 May 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76332 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/22/2015
Subject: Help needed: Model Citizens the movie documentary
Group: S-Trains Message: 76333 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/23/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 24 May 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76334 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/24/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 24 May 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76335 From: traindavid Date: 5/24/2015
Subject: Chat tonight! Come join us---PAAAARTY!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76336 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/25/2015
Subject: Chat
Group: S-Trains Message: 76337 From: Bob Moyer Date: 5/26/2015
Subject: Atlantic Loco to Ten Wheeler
Group: S-Trains Message: 76338 From: snstrains Date: 5/26/2015
Subject: Re: Chat
Group: S-Trains Message: 76339 From: mike gardner Date: 5/27/2015
Subject: Re: Atlantic Loco to Ten Wheeler
Group: S-Trains Message: 76340 From: Bill Lane Date: 5/27/2015
Subject: Converting K Line cars to Scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76341 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/27/2015
Subject: Atlantic loco and tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 76342 From: alhbaker Date: 5/29/2015
Subject: Re: Atlantic Loco to Ten Wheeler
Group: S-Trains Message: 76343 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 5/29/2015
Subject: Re: Converting K Line cars to Scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76344 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 5/29/2015
Subject: 10 wheeler
Group: S-Trains Message: 76345 From: aftrains4u Date: 5/29/2015
Subject: 789 Station & Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 76346 From: racin510 Date: 5/30/2015
Subject: Re: 789 Station & Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 76347 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/30/2015
Subject: Re: 789 Station & Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 76348 From: ecphora123 Date: 5/30/2015
Subject: Re: 10 wheeler
Group: S-Trains Message: 76349 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 5/30/2015
Subject: Re: 789 Station & Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 76350 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/30/2015
Subject: Ten Wheeler
Group: S-Trains Message: 76351 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/30/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 31 May 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76352 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/31/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 31 May 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76353 From: poniaj Date: 5/31/2015
Subject: Re: 789 Station & Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 76354 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 5/31/2015
Subject: Re: 789 Station & Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 76355 From: rlgriggs@bellsouth.net Date: 6/3/2015
Subject: U.P. Aux. Water Tender in 'S'
Group: S-Trains Message: 76356 From: tennsgauger Date: 6/3/2015
Subject: What is the status of Lionel's AF Fastrack ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76357 From: acgilbertguy Date: 6/3/2015
Subject: AF 23743 Track Maintenance Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76358 From: rudypenne Date: 6/3/2015
Subject: Re: What is the status of Lionel's AF Fastrack ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76359 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 6/3/2015
Subject: Re: AF 23743 Track Maintenance Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76360 From: Robert Lampe Date: 6/4/2015
Subject: Re: What is the status of Lionel's AF Fastrack ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76361 From: snstrains Date: 6/4/2015
Subject: What is the status of Lionel's AF Fastrack ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76362 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/4/2015
Subject: Re: AF 23743 Track Maintenance Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76363 From: lx5043 Date: 6/4/2015
Subject: Re: AF 23743 Track Maintenance Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76364 From: Carey Probst Date: 6/4/2015
Subject: Train magazines available
Group: S-Trains Message: 76365 From: tennsgauger Date: 6/4/2015
Subject: Re: What is the status of Lionel's AF Fastrack ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76366 From: william lewis Date: 6/4/2015
Subject: Re: Train magazines available
Group: S-Trains Message: 76367 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/4/2015
Subject: What's the status of Lionel AF Fastrack?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76368 From: bill hoglund Date: 6/4/2015
Subject: Re: Train magazines available
Group: S-Trains Message: 76369 From: Mark Skertich Date: 6/4/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76370 From: Sam & Peggy Date: 6/4/2015
Subject: Re: Train magazines available
Group: S-Trains Message: 76371 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 07 June 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76372 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 07 June 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76373 From: gsc3 Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Fair price for items.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76374 From: ejenterp@pacbell.net Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains Message: 76375 From: Frank Emiro Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: Fair price for items.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76376 From: fnmichong Date: 6/9/2015
Subject: Re: U.P. Aux. Water Tender in 'S'
Group: S-Trains Message: 76377 From: aleisen@juno.com Date: 6/9/2015
Subject: American Hi Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 76378 From: aleisen@juno.com Date: 6/9/2015
Subject: American Hi Rail Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 76379 From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave Date: 6/10/2015
Subject: Re: LBR follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76380 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/13/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 14 June 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76381 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/14/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 14 June 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76382 From: wjgill1 Date: 6/14/2015
Subject: Hoquat Hobbies Open House Everything on sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76383 From: traindavid Date: 6/14/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 14 June 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76384 From: snstrains Date: 6/15/2015
Subject: SnS Trains closing for the Summer
Group: S-Trains Message: 76385 From: Jim Schiele Date: 6/17/2015
Subject: TCA convention cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76386 From: bobville Date: 6/17/2015
Subject: Re: TCA convention cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76387 From: wjgill1 Date: 6/17/2015
Subject: Re: TCA convention cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76388 From: Jim Schiele Date: 6/18/2015
Subject: Re: TCA convention cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76389 From: acgilbertguy Date: 6/19/2015
Subject: Re: AF 23743 Track Maintenance Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76390 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/20/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 21 June 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76391 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/21/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 21 June 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76392 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 6/22/2015
Subject: Thanks for Help on 789 Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 76393 From: snstrains Date: 6/27/2015
Subject: SnS Trains Summer closing reminder
Group: S-Trains Message: 76394 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/27/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 28 June 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76395 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/28/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 28 June 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76396 From: ken.kebco Date: 6/28/2015
Subject: Org / repro parts source? Specialized tools?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76397 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 6/29/2015
Subject: Re: Org / repro parts source? Specialized tools?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76398 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 6/29/2015
Subject: Re: Org / repro parts source? Specialized tools?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76399 From: amflyral Date: 6/29/2015
Subject: H
Group: S-Trains Message: 76400 From: amflyral Date: 6/29/2015
Subject: For sale Lionel Flyer Seaboard coaler 49807
Group: S-Trains Message: 76401 From: Ken / Kebco Date: 6/29/2015
Subject: Re: Org / repro parts source? Specialized tools?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76402 From: alan Date: 6/29/2015
Subject: Re: Org / repro parts source? Specialized tools?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76403 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/30/2015
Subject: Speaking of Train Shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 76404 From: wyoaf Date: 7/3/2015
Subject: Farm Set Box Imagery
Group: S-Trains Message: 76405 From: aflyerfan Date: 7/3/2015
Subject: Minot, North Dakota
Group: S-Trains Message: 76406 From: Tom Date: 7/3/2015
Subject: Re: Speaking of Train Shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 76407 From: thecitrusbelt Date: 7/3/2015
Subject: Central Coast Railroad Festival – Show Your Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 76408 From: thecitrusbelt Date: 7/3/2015
Subject: Layouts Needed For 2016 PSR Convention (So. Calif.)
Group: S-Trains Message: 76409 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/4/2015
Subject: Speaking of Train Shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 76410 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/4/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 05 July 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76411 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/5/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 05 July 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76412 From: James Lyle Date: 7/5/2015
Subject: Re: Speaking of Train Shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 76413 From: Lamont Heppe Date: 7/5/2015
Subject: Re: Speaking of Train Shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 76414 From: alan Date: 7/5/2015
Subject: Re: Speaking of Train Shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 76415 From: njma41 Date: 7/5/2015
Subject: Need: American flyer parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 76416 From: Arthur Elks Jr. Date: 7/6/2015
Subject: train fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 76417 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 7/6/2015
Subject: Re: Need: American flyer parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 76418 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/7/2015
Subject: Re: Farm Set Box Imagery
Group: S-Trains Message: 76419 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/11/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 12 July 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76420 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/12/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 12 July 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76421 From: wjgill1 Date: 7/16/2015
Subject: Please contact me, having trouble sending you a note.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76422 From: Roy Inman Date: 7/18/2015
Subject: New glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 76423 From: Eric Date: 7/18/2015
Subject: S Train Items for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76424 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 7/18/2015
Subject: Re: S Train Items for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76425 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/18/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 19 July 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76426 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/19/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 19 July 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76427 From: Malcolm Laughlin Date: 7/19/2015
Subject: Hiawatha observation
Group: S-Trains Message: 76428 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 7/19/2015
Subject: Re: S Train Items for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76429 From: Eric Date: 7/19/2015
Subject: Re: S Train Items for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76430 From: Malcolm Laughlin Date: 7/19/2015
Subject: Fw: Yahoo Groups: Welcome to S-Trains. Visit today!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76431 From: Malcolm Laughlin Date: 7/19/2015
Subject: Couplers.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76432 From: henrykoshollek Date: 7/20/2015
Subject: Re: Hiawatha observation
Group: S-Trains Message: 76433 From: henrykoshollek Date: 7/20/2015
Subject: 343 Tender frame and wheels...........
Group: S-Trains Message: 76434 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/20/2015
Subject: Re: Welcome to S Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 76435 From: stephen.terni Date: 7/21/2015
Subject: S Gaugian Back Issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 76436 From: Ted Walton Date: 7/21/2015
Subject: Reverse unit in a 285 tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 76437 From: Richard Falzini Date: 7/21/2015
Subject: Thinking of selling a set
Group: S-Trains Message: 76438 From: R G Date: 7/21/2015
Subject: Re: Reverse unit in a 285 tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 76439 From: rudypenne Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Re: 343 Tender frame and wheels...........
Group: S-Trains Message: 76440 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: 343 tender frame and wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 76441 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Re: 343 Tender frame and wheels...........
Group: S-Trains Message: 76442 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Re: Reverse unit in a 285 tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 76443 From: wjgill1 Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Re: Reverse unit in a 285 tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 76444 From: wyoaf Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Re: Reverse unit in a 285 tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 76445 From: traindavid Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Reverse unit in a 285 tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 76446 From: Ted Walton Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6806
Group: S-Trains Message: 76447 From: henrykoshollek Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Re: 343 Tender frame and wheels...........
Group: S-Trains Message: 76448 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/23/2015
Subject: Name Game
Group: S-Trains Message: 76449 From: mike gardner Date: 7/23/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6806
Group: S-Trains Message: 76450 From: traindavid Date: 7/23/2015
Subject: Ted's 285 problems
Group: S-Trains Message: 76451 From: Malcolm Laughlin Date: 7/23/2015
Subject: Re: Hiawatha observation
Group: S-Trains Message: 76452 From: Malcolm Laughlin Date: 7/23/2015
Subject: Re: Welcome to S Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 76453 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/24/2015
Subject: Re: Ted's 285 problems
Group: S-Trains Message: 76454 From: traindavid Date: 7/24/2015
Subject: Those 1960s "customizers"
Group: S-Trains Message: 76455 From: Tom Hawley Date: 7/24/2015
Subject: Electrical Pick-up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76456 From: Ray Puls Date: 7/24/2015
Subject: 285 problems
Group: S-Trains Message: 76457 From: carl4flyer Date: 7/24/2015
Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76458 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 7/24/2015
Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76459 From: carl4flyer Date: 7/24/2015
Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76460 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 7/25/2015
Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76461 From: JOHN RUTH Date: 7/25/2015
Subject: Lionel Abassador Club
Group: S-Trains Message: 76462 From: traindavid Date: 7/25/2015
Subject: Re: Ted's 285 problems
Group: S-Trains Message: 76463 From: traindavid Date: 7/25/2015
Subject: Something you might not want on your layout. . . .
Group: S-Trains Message: 76464 From: Tom Hawley Date: 7/25/2015
Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76465 From: Rick Evans Date: 7/25/2015
Subject: Re: Something you might not want on your layout. . . .
Group: S-Trains Message: 76466 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/25/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 26 July 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76467 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: Something you might not want on your layout.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76468 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: Re: Electrical pick up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76469 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: Re: Lionel Abassador Club
Group: S-Trains Message: 76470 From: Carey Probst Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: Re: Something you might not want on your layout.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76471 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76472 From: traindavid Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76473 From: Anthony Cynor Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: Re: Something you might not want on your layout. . . .
Group: S-Trains Message: 76474 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: Re: Something you might not want on your layout. . . .
Group: S-Trains Message: 76475 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 26 July 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76476 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: Re: Something you might not want on your layout.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76477 From: George Cohn Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: Re: Something you might not want on your layout.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76478 From: Mike Leahy Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: Diecast 1:64 cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76479 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/27/2015
Subject: The S Gauge For Sale page on my website has been updated
Group: S-Trains Message: 76480 From: ecphora123 Date: 7/27/2015
Subject: Something you might not want on your layout.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76481 From: JOHN RUTH Date: 7/27/2015
Subject: Re: Lionel Abassador Club
Group: S-Trains Message: 76482 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 7/27/2015
Subject: Something you might not want on your layout.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76483 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/28/2015
Subject: Humor in Model Railroading
Group: S-Trains Message: 76484 From: Carey Probst Date: 7/28/2015
Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
Group: S-Trains Message: 76485 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 7/28/2015
Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
Group: S-Trains Message: 76486 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 7/28/2015
Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
Group: S-Trains Message: 76487 From: Tom Hawley Date: 7/28/2015
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Electrical Pick-up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76488 From: nnn0tjf Date: 7/28/2015
Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
Group: S-Trains Message: 76489 From: gdotn0868@att.net Date: 7/28/2015
Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
Group: S-Trains Message: 76490 From: Carey Probst Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
Group: S-Trains Message: 76491 From: Ray Puls Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76492 From: ecphora123 Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
Group: S-Trains Message: 76493 From: John Davis Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
Group: S-Trains Message: 76494 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Humor in Model Railroading
Group: S-Trains Message: 76495 From: traindavid Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading Was You might not want this . . . .
Group: S-Trains Message: 76496 From: Gary Nessel Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
Group: S-Trains Message: 76497 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
Group: S-Trains Message: 76498 From: tbennerohio Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Layout update and track question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76499 From: mlaughlinnyc Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Re: Couplers.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76500 From: Paul Krause Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Re: Layout update and track question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76501 From: mlaughlinnyc Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: AF 401 O gauge 2-4-4
Group: S-Trains Message: 76502 From: Roy Inman Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Re: NASG convention in KC
Group: S-Trains Message: 76503 From: tbennerohio Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Re: Layout update and track question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76504 From: snstrains Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
Group: S-Trains Message: 76505 From: snstrains Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Re: Layout update and track question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76506 From: Paul Krause Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Re: Layout update and track question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76507 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Layout update and track question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76508 From: Alan Lambert Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Re: Layout update and track question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76509 From: Richard Falzini Date: 7/29/2015
Subject: Question for administration
Group: S-Trains Message: 76510 From: Malcolm Laughlin Date: 7/30/2015
Subject: Re: AF 401 O gauge 2-4-4
Group: S-Trains Message: 76511 From: Tom Date: 7/30/2015
Subject: Re: Layout update and track question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76512 From: James Lyle Date: 7/30/2015
Subject: Re: Layout update and track question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76513 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/30/2015
Subject: Re: Layout update and track question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76514 From: Robert Lampe Date: 7/30/2015
Subject: Re: AF 401 O gauge 2-4-4
Group: S-Trains Message: 76515 From: mike rosz Date: 7/30/2015
Subject: Re: AF 401 O gauge 2-4-4
Group: S-Trains Message: 76516 From: poniaj Date: 7/31/2015
Subject: Re: AF 401 O gauge 2-4-4
Group: S-Trains Message: 76517 From: SnSTrains@... Date: 8/1/2015
Subject: S-'n-S Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 76518 From: mlaughlinnyc Date: 8/1/2015
Subject: Re: Couplers.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76519 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/1/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 02 August 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76520 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/2/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 02 August 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76521 From: SnSTrains@... Date: 8/3/2015
Subject: Need help finding S-Gauger customer
Group: S-Trains Message: 76522 From: lgv_57 Date: 8/3/2015
Subject: S-Helper Service Switch Track wanted!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76523 From: rudypenne Date: 8/3/2015
Subject: Re: Need help finding S-Gauger customer
Group: S-Trains Message: 76524 From: Tom Hawley Date: 8/4/2015
Subject: Kansas City
Group: S-Trains Message: 76525 From: mlaughlinnyc Date: 8/4/2015
Subject: Buying/selling seasons
Group: S-Trains Message: 76526 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 8/4/2015
Subject: Re: Buying/selling seasons
Group: S-Trains Message: 76527 From: zemouse2001 Date: 8/4/2015
Subject: Going to Kansas City!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76528 From: rudypenne Date: 8/4/2015
Subject: Re: Buying/selling seasons
Group: S-Trains Message: 76529 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/5/2015
Subject: Re: Buying/selling seasons
Group: S-Trains Message: 76530 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 8/5/2015
Subject: Re: Buying/selling seasons
Group: S-Trains Message: 76531 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 8/5/2015
Subject: Re: Buying/selling seasons
Group: S-Trains Message: 76532 From: albert paolozzi Date: 8/6/2015
Subject: s helper for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76533 From: railtwister Date: 8/7/2015
Subject: Is American Models S Track Still Using Brass Rail?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76534 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/8/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 09 August 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76535 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/9/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 09 August 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76536 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/10/2015
Subject: Gilbertho.org and americnflyerdisplays.org websites
Group: S-Trains Message: 76537 From: dphobbies Date: 8/10/2015
Subject: FS: SHS 00959 Santa Fe Warbonnet ABBA W/Sound
Group: S-Trains Message: 76538 From: nyc17819@... Date: 8/10/2015
Subject: NH 494-495
Group: S-Trains Message: 76539 From: Sam & Peggy Date: 8/10/2015
Subject: Re: NH 494-495
Group: S-Trains Message: 76540 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 8/10/2015
Subject: Re: NH 494-495
Group: S-Trains Message: 76541 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 8/10/2015
Subject: Re: NH 494-495
Group: S-Trains Message: 76542 From: Larry Moore Date: 8/10/2015
Subject: Re: NH 494-495
Group: S-Trains Message: 76543 From: Bill Lane Date: 8/11/2015
Subject: SHS/AM heavyweight coach
Group: S-Trains Message: 76544 From: Eric Date: 8/12/2015
Subject: For Sale Passenger Car Set, Great Northern.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76545 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 8/14/2015
Subject: NASG Convention Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 76546 From: Roy Inman Date: 8/14/2015
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Convention Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 76547 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/15/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 16 August 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76548 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/16/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 16 August 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76549 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/16/2015
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert Knuckle Coupler trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76550 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/16/2015
Subject: For Sale: Flyonel Convention Boxcars Mint in Original Boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 76551 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/17/2015
Subject: For Sale: LotS of S
Group: S-Trains Message: 76552 From: mikenguy9 Date: 8/18/2015
Subject: replacing link couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 76553 From: henry_betz Date: 8/18/2015
Subject: AF 660 series extruded aluminum passenger cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76554 From: mike rosz Date: 8/18/2015
Subject: Re: For Sale: Flyonel Convention Boxcars Mint in Original Boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 76555 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/18/2015
Subject: Re: AF 660 series extruded aluminum passenger cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76556 From: keyhole_corona Date: 8/18/2015
Subject: Re: AF 660 series extruded aluminum passenger cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76557 From: keyhole_corona Date: 8/18/2015
Subject: Re: replacing link couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 76558 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/18/2015
Subject: Re: For Sale: Flyonel Convention Boxcars Mint in Original Boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 76559 From: snstrains Date: 8/18/2015
Subject: Re: replacing link couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 76560 From: Ted Weiler Date: 8/19/2015
Subject: Re: AF 660 series extruded aluminum passenger cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76561 From: henry_betz Date: 8/19/2015
Subject: Re: AF 660 series extruded aluminum passenger cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76562 From: srjaynes Date: 8/21/2015
Subject: Re: AF 660 series extruded aluminum passenger cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76563 From: James Lyle Date: 8/21/2015
Subject: HiLine™ Diesel Sound Systems - Item #1510 - Dallee Electronics
Group: S-Trains Message: 76564 From: Mike Leahy Date: 8/22/2015
Subject: RR Items for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76565 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/22/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 23 August 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76566 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/23/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 23 August 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76567 From: Bill Lane Date: 8/24/2015
Subject: wanted - SHS Scale SW1 wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 76568 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/24/2015
Subject: For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells
Group: S-Trains Message: 76569 From: mike rosz Date: 8/24/2015
Subject: Re: For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells
Group: S-Trains Message: 76570 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/25/2015
Subject: Re: For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells
Group: S-Trains Message: 76571 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/25/2015
Subject: Re: For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells
Group: S-Trains Message: 76572 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/25/2015
Subject: Re: For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells
Group: S-Trains Message: 76573 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/25/2015
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage ca
Group: S-Trains Message: 76574 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/25/2015
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage ca
Group: S-Trains Message: 76575 From: detmer5694 Date: 8/25/2015
Subject: Help needed concerning the North Shore commuter line between Milwauk
Group: S-Trains Message: 76576 From: mark_h_charles Date: 8/25/2015
Subject: NASG 2016 - Realistic Flyer Layout on Tour
Group: S-Trains Message: 76577 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 8/26/2015
Subject: Re: For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells [4
Group: S-Trains Message: 76578 From: Dr Trains Date: 8/27/2015
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 76579 From: artmor46 Date: 8/27/2015
Subject: hi-rail track/rails
Group: S-Trains Message: 76580 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/29/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 30 August 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76581 From: mark_h_charles Date: 8/30/2015
Subject: Re: NASG 2016 - Realistic Flyer Layout on Tour
Group: S-Trains Message: 76582 From: Bill Lane Date: 8/30/2015
Subject: American Flyer S Gauge ES44AC going wonky
Group: S-Trains Message: 76583 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/30/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 30 August 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76584 From: beebear Date: 8/31/2015
Subject: Re: American Flyer S Gauge ES44AC going wonky
Group: S-Trains Message: 76585 From: Allan V Eisenhaur Date: 9/2/2015
Subject: WTB American Hi Rail truck Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 76586 From: traindavid Date: 9/2/2015
Subject: MTH F units coming????
Group: S-Trains Message: 76587 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 9/2/2015
Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
Group: S-Trains Message: 76588 From: vu68 Date: 9/3/2015
Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
Group: S-Trains Message: 76589 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 9/3/2015
Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
Group: S-Trains Message: 76590 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 9/3/2015
Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
Group: S-Trains Message: 76591 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 9/3/2015
Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
Group: S-Trains Message: 76592 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 9/3/2015
Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
Group: S-Trains Message: 76593 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/3/2015
Subject: Building Sign Kits
Group: S-Trains Message: 76594 From: James Lyle Date: 9/3/2015
Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
Group: S-Trains Message: 76595 From: James Lyle Date: 9/4/2015
Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
Group: S-Trains Message: 76596 From: traindavid Date: 9/4/2015
Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
Group: S-Trains Message: 76597 From: Roy Meissner Date: 9/4/2015
Subject: SOO reefer
Group: S-Trains Message: 76598 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/4/2015
Subject: Trainmaster shell swap
Group: S-Trains Message: 76599 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 9/4/2015
Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
Group: S-Trains Message: 76600 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/5/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 06 September 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76601 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/6/2015
Subject: Customized Painting of an "S" Gauge Box Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76602 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/6/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 06 September 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76603 From: alan Date: 9/6/2015
Subject: Re: Customized Painting of an "S" Gauge Box Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76604 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/6/2015
Subject: new page for my Reading G-1sb
Group: S-Trains Message: 76605 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/6/2015
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 76606 From: lx5043 Date: 9/7/2015
Subject: Free Model Train Related Software
Group: S-Trains Message: 76607 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/7/2015
Subject: Re: Customized Painting of an "S" Gauge Box Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76608 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/7/2015
Subject: Reading decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 76609 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/7/2015
Subject: swmsrda, Tuesday, 08 September 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76610 From: ejenterp@pacbell.net Date: 9/7/2015
Subject: FFWest 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76611 From: smuel10263 Date: 9/7/2015
Subject: old kits
Group: S-Trains Message: 76612 From: traindavid Date: 9/9/2015
Subject: Early Christmas!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76613 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 9/9/2015
Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76614 From: frank emiro Date: 9/9/2015
Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76616 From: poniaj Date: 9/9/2015
Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76617 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/11/2015
Subject: 5 pounds of wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 76618 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 9/11/2015
Subject: Re: 5 pounds of wheels [2 Attachments]
Group: S-Trains Message: 76619 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/12/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 13 September 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76620 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/13/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 13 September 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76621 From: Eric Date: 9/13/2015
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 76622 From: amflyer336 Date: 9/14/2015
Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76623 From: poniaj Date: 9/14/2015
Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76624 From: Doug K Date: 9/14/2015
Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76625 From: amflyer336 Date: 9/14/2015
Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76626 From: poniaj Date: 9/15/2015
Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76627 From: poniaj Date: 9/15/2015
Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76628 From: Tom Hawley Date: 9/15/2015
Subject: Front Men & DC, wuz Re: [S-Trains] Re: Early Christmas!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76629 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/15/2015
Subject: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76630 From: Bill Clark Date: 9/15/2015
Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76631 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/15/2015
Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76632 From: Donald Keil Date: 9/15/2015
Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76633 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/15/2015
Subject: Suggestion from John Keating on solving the uncouple issue
Group: S-Trains Message: 76634 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/15/2015
Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76635 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76636 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76637 From: kempfam Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76638 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76639 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76640 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76641 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: latest Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 76642 From: Bill Clark Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76643 From: Paul Krause Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 76644 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee [2 Atta..
Group: S-Trains Message: 76645 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Flyer Fest West 2015, Saturday, 19 September 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76646 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Flyer Fest West 2015, Saturday, 19 September 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76647 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Re: Latest Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 76648 From: tennsgauger Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 76649 From: James Lyle Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 76650 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 76651 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 76652 From: Tom Hawley Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 76653 From: kempfam Date: 9/16/2015
Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 76654 From: keyhole_corona Date: 9/17/2015
Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 76655 From: snstrains Date: 9/17/2015
Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 76656 From: traindavid Date: 9/17/2015
Subject: Re: Latest Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 76657 From: bobville Date: 9/17/2015
Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 76658 From: James Lyle Date: 9/17/2015
Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 76659 From: Roy Inman Date: 9/17/2015
Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 76660 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 9/17/2015
Subject: Scale versus Hi Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 76661 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/17/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6858
Group: S-Trains Message: 76662 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/17/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6859
Group: S-Trains Message: 76663 From: tennsgauger Date: 9/17/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6859
Group: S-Trains Message: 76664 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 9/17/2015
Subject: Re: Scale versus Hi Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 76665 From: ecphora123 Date: 9/17/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6859
Group: S-Trains Message: 76666 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/17/2015
Subject: Re: Scale versus Hi Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 76667 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 9/17/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6859
Group: S-Trains Message: 76668 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/17/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6859
Group: S-Trains Message: 76669 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 9/17/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6859
Group: S-Trains Message: 76670 From: yorktown26 Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Re: Scale versus Hi Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 76671 From: afjeff_56 Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Flyer Fest West (a S Gauge meet)
Group: S-Trains Message: 76672 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Scale vs toy
Group: S-Trains Message: 76673 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Re: Scale versus Hi Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 76674 From: traindavid Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Definition of Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 76675 From: Michael Fox Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Re: Definition of Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 76676 From: Paul A Krause Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Re: Scale versus Hi Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 76677 From: Dale Smith Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Re: Definition of Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 76678 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Re: Scale versus Hi Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 76679 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76680 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Re: Scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76681 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Re: Scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76682 From: Frank Emiro Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Re: Scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76683 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Paint Removal Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76684 From: william lewis Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76685 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76686 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: The Berk
Group: S-Trains Message: 76687 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76688 From: Anthony Cynor Date: 9/18/2015
Subject: Re: Scale vs toy
Group: S-Trains Message: 76689 From: snstrains Date: 9/19/2015
Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76690 From: traindavid Date: 9/19/2015
Subject: Paint & Scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76691 From: jamiebothwell Date: 9/19/2015
Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76692 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/19/2015
Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76693 From: icequeen1982 Date: 9/19/2015
Subject: Re: The Berk
Group: S-Trains Message: 76694 From: James Lyle Date: 9/19/2015
Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76695 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 9/19/2015
Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76696 From: Roy E Jones III Date: 9/19/2015
Subject: Re: The Berk
Group: S-Trains Message: 76697 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 9/19/2015
Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76698 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/19/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 20 September 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76699 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/20/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 20 September 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76700 From: James Lyle Date: 9/20/2015
Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76701 From: Gary Chudzinski Date: 9/20/2015
Subject: NYC Pacemaker Train Set for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76702 From: James Lyle Date: 9/20/2015
Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 76703 From: ken garber Date: 9/20/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 76704 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/20/2015
Subject: Re: The Berk
Group: S-Trains Message: 76705 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/21/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 76706 From: rogermeekhof Date: 9/21/2015
Subject: F-9 s Gear Repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 76707 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/23/2015
Subject: Dispatch, part 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 76708 From: aftrains4u Date: 9/23/2015
Subject: EP-5 21573 Pantograph
Group: S-Trains Message: 76709 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 9/23/2015
Subject: Re: EP-5 21573 Pantograph
Group: S-Trains Message: 76710 From: poniaj Date: 9/23/2015
Subject: Re: Dispatch, part 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 76711 From: poniaj Date: 9/23/2015
Subject: Re: EP-5 21573 Pantograph
Group: S-Trains Message: 76712 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 9/23/2015
Subject: Re: EP-5 21573 Pantograph
Group: S-Trains Message: 76713 From: Tom Hawley Date: 9/23/2015
Subject: Re: EP-5 21573 Pantograph
Group: S-Trains Message: 76714 From: Dave Date: 9/23/2015
Subject: Re: EP-5 21573 Pantograph
Group: S-Trains Message: 76715 From: poniaj Date: 9/24/2015
Subject: Re: EP-5 21573 Pantograph
Group: S-Trains Message: 76716 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/24/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 76717 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/24/2015
Subject: Re: EP-5 21573 Pantograph
Group: S-Trains Message: 76718 From: Paul Krause Date: 9/24/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 76719 From: paflyrman Date: 9/25/2015
Subject: Off Topic - Question About AF O Gauge Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 76720 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 9/25/2015
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Question About AF O Gauge Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 76721 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/26/2015
Subject: SHS A C board
Group: S-Trains Message: 76722 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/26/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 76723 From: Paul Krause Date: 9/26/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 76724 From: Paul Krause Date: 9/26/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 76725 From: Tom Hawley Date: 9/26/2015
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 76726 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/26/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 27 September 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76727 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/27/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 27 September 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76728 From: henrykoshollek Date: 9/28/2015
Subject: S-Scale Fire station kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 76729 From: mark_h_charles Date: 9/28/2015
Subject: NASG 2016 - active steam locomotives on tour
Group: S-Trains Message: 76730 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/28/2015
Subject: Re: S-Scale Fire station kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 76731 From: traindavid Date: 9/29/2015
Subject: The PE must have something right
Group: S-Trains Message: 76732 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 9/29/2015
Subject: Re: The PE must have something right
Group: S-Trains Message: 76733 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/29/2015
Subject: Re: The PE must have something right
Group: S-Trains Message: 76734 From: tennsgauger Date: 9/29/2015
Subject: Re: The PE must have something right - Supporting Scale and Highrail
Group: S-Trains Message: 76735 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/29/2015
Subject: Layout update and track question.. update.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76736 From: stephen.terni Date: 9/29/2015
Subject: NASG and other commemorative cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 76737 From: afot7 Date: 9/29/2015
Subject: P/E stop sales
Group: S-Trains Message: 76738 From: racin510 Date: 9/29/2015
Subject: Re: The PE must have something right
Group: S-Trains Message: 76739 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/30/2015
Subject: Layout and track questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 76740 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/30/2015
Subject: Re: The PE must have something right...
Group: S-Trains Message: 76741 From: poniaj Date: 9/30/2015
Subject: Re: P/E stop sales
Group: S-Trains Message: 76742 From: gartrain404 Date: 9/30/2015
Subject: Digest Number 6873 Re: The PE must have something right
Group: S-Trains Message: 76743 From: vu68 Date: 9/30/2015
Subject: Re: Layout update and track question.. update.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76744 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 9/30/2015
Subject: Re: Layout update and track question.. update.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76745 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 9/30/2015
Subject: Re: Layout update and track question.. update.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76746 From: James Lyle Date: 9/30/2015
Subject: Fwd: Polar Express
Group: S-Trains Message: 76747 From: traindavid Date: 9/30/2015
Subject: PE recall?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76748 From: James Lyle Date: 9/30/2015
Subject: Re: P/E stop sales
Group: S-Trains Message: 76749 From: elist@ribbonrail.com Date: 9/30/2015
Subject: October/November The S Scale Resource is Ready
Group: S-Trains Message: 76750 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/30/2015
Subject: Re: Layout update and track question.. update.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76751 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/1/2015
Subject: Re: Layout update and track question.. update.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76752 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 10/1/2015
Subject: Re: Layout update and track question.. update.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76753 From: tbennerohio Date: 10/1/2015
Subject: L-girders for new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 76754 From: kempfam Date: 10/2/2015
Subject: Re: Layout update and track question.. update.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76755 From: Michael Fox Date: 10/2/2015
Subject: Ace trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76756 From: redpinto756@... Date: 10/2/2015
Subject: Re: PE recall?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76757 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 10/2/2015
Subject: Cleveland Designs Kits
Group: S-Trains Message: 76758 From: dphobbies Date: 10/2/2015
Subject: Des Plaines Hobbies Fall Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76759 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/2/2015
Subject: Re: Ace trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76760 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 10/2/2015
Subject: Re: Layout update and track question.. update.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76761 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/3/2015
Subject: Ace trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76762 From: Paul Krause Date: 10/3/2015
Subject: Re: Ace trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76763 From: Wesley Noel Date: 10/3/2015
Subject: Re: Ace trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76764 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 10/3/2015
Subject: Need info of new AF track Vs SHS track
Group: S-Trains Message: 76765 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 10/3/2015
Subject: GETTING IN TO S. SCALE OR HIGH RAIL..IT'S YOUR CHOICE
Group: S-Trains Message: 76766 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/3/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 04 October 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76767 From: frank emiro Date: 10/3/2015
Subject: The S POLAR EXPRESS
Group: S-Trains Message: 76768 From: william lewis Date: 10/3/2015
Subject: Re: Ace trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76769 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 10/4/2015
Subject: Re: The S POLAR EXPRESS
Group: S-Trains Message: 76770 From: beebear Date: 10/4/2015
Subject: Re: Ace trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76771 From: Michael Fox Date: 10/4/2015
Subject: Re: Ace trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76772 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/4/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 04 October 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76773 From: Frank Emiro Date: 10/4/2015
Subject: Re: The S POLAR EXPRESS
Group: S-Trains Message: 76774 From: Sam & Peggy Date: 10/4/2015
Subject: Re: Need info of new AF track Vs SHS track
Group: S-Trains Message: 76775 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 10/4/2015
Subject: Re: The S POLAR EXPRESS
Group: S-Trains Message: 76776 From: frank emiro Date: 10/4/2015
Subject: Re: The S POLAR EXPRESS
Group: S-Trains Message: 76777 From: Roy Inman Date: 10/5/2015
Subject: Re: Need info of new AF track Vs SHS track
Group: S-Trains Message: 76778 From: tbennerohio Date: 10/5/2015
Subject: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76779 From: Robert Lampe Date: 10/5/2015
Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76780 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Need info on Af track...
Group: S-Trains Message: 76781 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: Sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76782 From: kensington3121 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76783 From: pickycat95 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76784 From: traindavid Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76785 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76786 From: snstrains Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Layout construction and roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76787 From: Edward Musil Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: Sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76788 From: Paul Krause Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76789 From: Roy Inman Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: Sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76790 From: Tom Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76791 From: beebear Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Re: Layout construction and roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76792 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Sound deadening thinking
Group: S-Trains Message: 76793 From: tbennerohio Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76794 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76795 From: tbennerohio Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76796 From: pickycat95 Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76797 From: Bob Groh Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Re: Sound deadening thinking
Group: S-Trains Message: 76798 From: ecphora123 Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Re: Layout construction and roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76799 From: dwaskes Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Ace trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76800 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Re: Layout construction and roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76801 From: pickycat95 Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Ace trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76802 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Re: Ace trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76803 From: mike.hayes12 Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Ace trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76804 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Re: Layout construction and roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76805 From: kempfam Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76806 From: UNLV666@... Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Converting Flyonel to Kadee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76807 From: pickycat95 Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Re: Ace trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 76808 From: traindavid Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Subroadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76809 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Re: Converting Flyonel to Kadee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76810 From: reefma_99 Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Re: Converting Flyonel to Kadee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76811 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Re: Subroadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76812 From: pickycat95 Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Re: Converting Flyonel to Kadee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76813 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76814 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Direct tv re state, Friday, 09 October 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76815 From: UNLV666@... Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Converting Flyonel to Kadee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76816 From: Scubadoo22 Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76817 From: UNLV666@... Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Converting Flyonel to Kadee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76818 From: pickycat95 Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Converting Flyonel to Kadee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76819 From: Michael Fox Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76820 From: George Cohn Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76821 From: UNLV666@... Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Converting Flyonel to Kadee
Group: S-Trains Message: 76822 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76823 From: poniaj Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76824 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Polart Express compatability.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76825 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: SHS Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 76826 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 11 October 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76827 From: myflyertrains Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: MyFlyerTrains.org Website is down...
Group: S-Trains Message: 76828 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/11/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 11 October 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76829 From: beebear Date: 10/11/2015
Subject: Re: MyFlyerTrains.org Website is down...
Group: S-Trains Message: 76830 From: ejenterp@pacbell.net Date: 10/11/2015
Subject: Re: MyFlyerTrains.org Website is down...
Group: S-Trains Message: 76831 From: traindavid Date: 10/11/2015
Subject: Chat site is down
Group: S-Trains Message: 76832 From: snstrains Date: 10/11/2015
Subject: Re: SHS Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 76833 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: SHS Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 76834 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: SHS Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 76835 From: clevelandmodelkits Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Larger local clubs out there?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76836 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Larger local clubs out there?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76837 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Larger local clubs out there?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76838 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Is the Lionel AF SW wireless?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76839 From: Donald Keil Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Larger local clubs out there?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76840 From: Roy E Jones III Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Larger local clubs out there?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76841 From: poniaj Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: Re: Polart Express compatability.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76842 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: Re: Is the Lionel AF SW wireless?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76843 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: Re: Polart Express compatability.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76844 From: Bill Clark Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: Re: Polart Express compatability.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76845 From: trainpainter Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: Can Motor Conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 76846 From: william lewis Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 76847 From: tbennerohio Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 76848 From: monte_heppe Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: AF Oil Drum Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 76849 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 76850 From: snstrains Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 76851 From: tbennerohio Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 76852 From: Roger Huber Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 76853 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 76854 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 76855 From: Kyle Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 76856 From: hhisgauger Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: Selling AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 76857 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/14/2015
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 76858 From: William Lewis Date: 10/14/2015
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 76859 From: wyoaf Date: 10/14/2015
Subject: Low Productivity at the Coalpile
Group: S-Trains Message: 76860 From: myflyertrains Date: 10/14/2015
Subject: MyFlyerTrains.org is back
Group: S-Trains Message: 76861 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 10/14/2015
Subject: Re: Low Productivity at the Coalpile
Group: S-Trains Message: 76862 From: Alan Smith Date: 10/14/2015
Subject: Re: Low Productivity at the Coalpile
Group: S-Trains Message: 76863 From: bill hoglund Date: 10/14/2015
Subject: Re: Low Productivity at the Coalpile
Group: S-Trains Message: 76864 From: Alan Smith Date: 10/14/2015
Subject: Re: Low Productivity at the Coalpile
Group: S-Trains Message: 76865 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/15/2015
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 76866 From: Bill Clark Date: 10/15/2015
Subject: Polar Express running on a DCC powered system.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76867 From: poniaj Date: 10/15/2015
Subject: Re: Polar Express running on a DCC powered system.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76868 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 10/15/2015
Subject: Is the Polar Express Hand car out yet?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76869 From: frank emiro Date: 10/15/2015
Subject: Re: Is the Polar Express Hand car out yet?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76870 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/15/2015
Subject: Can motor conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 76871 From: racin510 Date: 10/15/2015
Subject: Re: Low Productivity at the Coalpile
Group: S-Trains Message: 76872 From: John Davis Date: 10/16/2015
Subject: Re: Low Productivity at the Coalpile
Group: S-Trains Message: 76873 From: UNLV666@... Date: 10/17/2015
Subject: S-Helper Left Handed Remote Control Turnout
Group: S-Trains Message: 76874 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/17/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 18 October 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76875 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 10/17/2015
Subject: AF 27 radius turn outs?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76876 From: Donald Keil Date: 10/18/2015
Subject: Re: DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 76877 From: gregory mccormack Date: 10/18/2015
Subject: Reverse loop relay
Group: S-Trains Message: 76878 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 10/18/2015
Subject: Re: DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 76879 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 10/18/2015
Subject: Re: Reverse loop relay
Group: S-Trains Message: 76880 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 10/18/2015
Subject: TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED OPEN HOUSE
Group: S-Trains Message: 76881 From: John F Metzger,RN Date: 10/18/2015
Subject: The Fall S Fest 2015 in St Louis.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76882 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/18/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 18 October 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76883 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/18/2015
Subject: 30" radius, 15 deg. curved track, 6 sections. NIB
Group: S-Trains Message: 76884 From: poniaj Date: 10/18/2015
Subject: Re: Reverse loop relay
Group: S-Trains Message: 76885 From: gregory mccormack Date: 10/18/2015
Subject: Re: Reverse loop relay [2 Attachments]
Group: S-Trains Message: 76886 From: gregory mccormack Date: 10/18/2015
Subject: Re: Reverse loop relay
Group: S-Trains Message: 76887 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/19/2015
Subject: 30" radius, 15 deg. curved track, 6 sections. NIB...for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76888 From: Thomas Barker Date: 10/19/2015
Subject: Re: Reverse loop relay
Group: S-Trains Message: 76889 From: Tomburns824 Date: 10/19/2015
Subject: Re: 30" radius, 15 deg. curved track, 6 sections. NIB...for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76890 From: bud9351 Date: 10/19/2015
Subject: Re: Larger local clubs out there?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76891 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 10/22/2015
Subject: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76892 From: Denny Zee Date: 10/22/2015
Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
Group: S-Trains Message: 76893 From: Scubadoo22 Date: 10/22/2015
Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
Group: S-Trains Message: 76894 From: Denny Zee Date: 10/22/2015
Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
Group: S-Trains Message: 76895 From: Thomas Barker Date: 10/23/2015
Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
Group: S-Trains Message: 76896 From: afot7 Date: 10/24/2015
Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
Group: S-Trains Message: 76897 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/24/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 25 October 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76898 From: frank emiro Date: 10/24/2015
Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
Group: S-Trains Message: 76899 From: William Lewis Date: 10/24/2015
Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
Group: S-Trains Message: 76900 From: John F Metzger,RN Date: 10/24/2015
Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
Group: S-Trains Message: 76901 From: Roy Meissner Date: 10/25/2015
Subject: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 76902 From: afot7 Date: 10/25/2015
Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
Group: S-Trains Message: 76903 From: Bill Lane Date: 10/25/2015
Subject: REA BX Express Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 76904 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/25/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 25 October 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76905 From: wcbeverly Date: 10/25/2015
Subject: Slim Gauge Guild Open House 11/1 + 11/3
Group: S-Trains Message: 76906 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/26/2015
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest & Monsanto car
Group: S-Trains Message: 76907 From: Charles Hancock Date: 10/26/2015
Subject: 771 Stockyard
Group: S-Trains Message: 76908 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/26/2015
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard
Group: S-Trains Message: 76909 From: snstrains Date: 10/26/2015
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard
Group: S-Trains Message: 76910 From: rhicks308 Date: 10/26/2015
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard
Group: S-Trains Message: 76911 From: Carey Probst Date: 10/26/2015
Subject: 343 Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 76912 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 10/26/2015
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard
Group: S-Trains Message: 76913 From: daleminard Date: 10/26/2015
Subject: For San Diego County Members - San Diego S-Gaugers Halloween Exhibit
Group: S-Trains Message: 76914 From: alhbaker Date: 10/26/2015
Subject: SHS 2-8-0 Drive Gear available (new)
Group: S-Trains Message: 76915 From: daleminard Date: 10/26/2015
Subject: Re: For San Diego County Members - San Diego S-Gaugers Halloween Exh
Group: S-Trains Message: 76916 From: racin510 Date: 10/26/2015
Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard
Group: S-Trains Message: 76917 From: ecphora123 Date: 10/27/2015
Subject: Re: 343 Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 76918 From: hhisgauger Date: 10/28/2015
Subject: Lionel/American Flyer for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76919 From: dtrains@ymail.com Date: 10/29/2015
Subject: hi, looking for SHS truck springs
Group: S-Trains Message: 76920 From: Robert Lampe Date: 10/29/2015
Subject: Re: hi, looking for SHS truck springs
Group: S-Trains Message: 76921 From: lgv_57 Date: 10/30/2015
Subject: What is the best coal for use with the MTH coal loader #30-9043?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76922 From: racin510 Date: 10/30/2015
Subject: Re: What is the best coal for use with the MTH coal loader #30-9043?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76923 From: beebear Date: 10/31/2015
Subject: Re: What is the best coal for use with the MTH coal loader #30-9043?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76924 From: Alan Smith Date: 10/31/2015
Subject: Re: What is the best coal for use with the MTH coal loader #30-9043?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76925 From: wcbeverly Date: 10/31/2015
Subject: Slim Gauge Guild Open House 11/1 + 11/3
Group: S-Trains Message: 76926 From: lionely6b Date: 10/31/2015
Subject: Re: What is the best coal for use with the MTH coal loader #30-9043?
Group: S-Trains Message: 76927 From: Bill Lane Date: 11/1/2015
Subject: shell trade
Group: S-Trains Message: 76928 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/1/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 01 November 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76929 From: rudypenne Date: 11/1/2015
Subject: Re: hi, looking for SHS truck springs
Group: S-Trains Message: 76930 From: traindavid Date: 11/1/2015
Subject: Flyer Chat tonight
Group: S-Trains Message: 76931 From: Dr Trains Date: 11/1/2015
Subject: Re: hi, looking for SHS truck springs
Group: S-Trains Message: 76932 From: rudypenne Date: 11/1/2015
Subject: Re: hi, looking for SHS truck springs
Group: S-Trains Message: 76933 From: alevans51 Date: 11/3/2015
Subject: POWER CONVERTER FOR SMOKER
Group: S-Trains Message: 76934 From: zemouse2001 Date: 11/3/2015
Subject: Re: POWER CONVERTER FOR SMOKER
Group: S-Trains Message: 76935 From: Ingram-James4-YahooGrps-17701 Date: 11/4/2015
Subject: Video: S-Gauge DCC Automatic Passing Siding
Group: S-Trains Message: 76936 From: pickycat95 Date: 11/4/2015
Subject: Re: POWER CONVERTER FOR SMOKER
Group: S-Trains Message: 76937 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/4/2015
Subject: ONE EXCHANGE CALL TOMMORROW, Wednesday, 04 November 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76938 From: daleminard Date: 11/5/2015
Subject: For San Diego County Members - San Diego S-Gaugers Christmas Exhibit
Group: S-Trains Message: 76939 From: Ingram-James4-YahooGrps-17701 Date: 11/6/2015
Subject: -VIDEO: Wow Toyz Almost S-Gauge Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 76940 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/7/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 08 November 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76941 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/8/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 08 November 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76942 From: Bill Lane Date: 11/8/2015
Subject: Trainmaster Draft gear completed
Group: S-Trains Message: 76943 From: wyoaf Date: 11/9/2015
Subject: Re: -VIDEO: Wow Toyz Almost S-Gauge Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 76944 From: pickycat95 Date: 11/9/2015
Subject: Re: -VIDEO: Wow Toyz Almost S-Gauge Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 76945 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/12/2015
Subject: WOW TOYZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 76946 From: lenscap76 Date: 11/12/2015
Subject: WOW TOYZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 76947 From: thecitrusbelt Date: 11/12/2015
Subject: Layouts Needed: Bakersfield/Tehachapi/Lancaster (Calif.) Tour
Group: S-Trains Message: 76948 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 11/12/2015
Subject: Re: WOW TOYZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 76949 From: George Dines Date: 11/12/2015
Subject: Michigan's Largest Train Show, Sunday, November 15, 2015!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76950 From: scaler164 Date: 11/12/2015
Subject: S-Helper Service AF Coplers And Wheels For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76951 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/13/2015
Subject: Re: S-Helper Service AF Coplers And Wheels For Sale [1 Attachment]
Group: S-Trains Message: 76952 From: aztecfan Date: 11/13/2015
Subject: Polar Express question.
Group: S-Trains Message: 76953 From: Ingram-James-15-YahooGroups-2015 Date: 11/13/2015
Subject: Re: WOW TOYZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 76954 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 11/13/2015
Subject: Model Railroader 75th Anniversary Disk
Group: S-Trains Message: 76955 From: kris_kaonis Date: 11/14/2015
Subject: For sale PBL Standard Gauge Climax
Group: S-Trains Message: 76956 From: racin510 Date: 11/14/2015
Subject: Re: WOW TOYZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 76957 From: James Lyle Date: 11/14/2015
Subject: Re: WOW TOYZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 76958 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/14/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 15 November 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76959 From: bud9351 Date: 11/14/2015
Subject: Re: WOW TOYZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 76960 From: Tom Date: 11/14/2015
Subject: Lionel Berkshire Locomotives
Group: S-Trains Message: 76961 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/15/2015
Subject: WOW TOYZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 76962 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/15/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 15 November 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76963 From: James Lyle Date: 11/15/2015
Subject: Re: WOW TOYZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 76964 From: William Lewis Date: 11/15/2015
Subject: Re: WOW TOYZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 76965 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/15/2015
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 76966 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/15/2015
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 76967 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/15/2015
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 76968 From: tennsgauger Date: 11/16/2015
Subject: Re: Lionel Berkshire Locomotives
Group: S-Trains Message: 76969 From: Bill Clark Date: 11/16/2015
Subject: Re: Lionel Berkshire Locomotives
Group: S-Trains Message: 76970 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/16/2015
Subject: For sale: 20515 train set, trestles, switches, lots more
Group: S-Trains Message: 76972 From: alevans51 Date: 11/16/2015
Subject: Re: POWER CONVERTER FOR SMOKER
Group: S-Trains Message: 76973 From: hhisgauger Date: 11/17/2015
Subject: For Sale: Engines & Rolling Stock-Take a look!
Group: S-Trains Message: 76974 From: alevans51 Date: 11/17/2015
Subject: SMOKER ELEMENT POWER ALTERNATIVE
Group: S-Trains Message: 76975 From: bphent Date: 11/20/2015
Subject: SceniKing production is ending
Group: S-Trains Message: 76976 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/21/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 22 November 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76977 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/22/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 22 November 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76978 From: elist@ribbonrail.com Date: 11/23/2015
Subject: December/January 2016 The S Scale Resource Magazine is Ready
Group: S-Trains Message: 76979 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/24/2015
Subject: Century link 800 244 1111, Tuesday, 24 November 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76980 From: traindavid Date: 11/24/2015
Subject: Chris Burger's layout on CTTs wesite
Group: S-Trains Message: 76981 From: SnSTrains@... Date: 11/26/2015
Subject: Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains Message: 76982 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/26/2015
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains Message: 76983 From: bill hoglund Date: 11/26/2015
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains Message: 76984 From: Bill Lane Date: 11/27/2015
Subject: American Flyer trucks for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 76985 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/28/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 29 November 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76986 From: allscalerails Date: 11/29/2015
Subject: All Scale Rails Issue #5 Nov / Dec 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76987 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/29/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 29 November 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 76988 From: rfalzini Date: 11/29/2015
Subject: Bill Tuft's book
Group: S-Trains Message: 76989 From: Carey Probst Date: 11/29/2015
Subject: GG-1
Group: S-Trains Message: 76990 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 11/29/2015
Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
Group: S-Trains Message: 76991 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 11/29/2015
Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
Group: S-Trains Message: 76992 From: Richard Falzini Date: 11/29/2015
Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
Group: S-Trains Message: 76993 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 11/29/2015
Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
Group: S-Trains Message: 76994 From: Richard Falzini Date: 11/29/2015
Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
Group: S-Trains Message: 76995 From: Eric Date: 11/29/2015
Subject: ITEMS for Sale - S Brass - Scale Budd Zephyr and a caboose - River R
Group: S-Trains Message: 76996 From: bobville Date: 11/29/2015
Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
Group: S-Trains Message: 76997 From: Richard Falzini Date: 11/29/2015
Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
Group: S-Trains Message: 76998 From: albert paolozzi Date: 11/30/2015
Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
Group: S-Trains Message: 76999 From: Richard Falzini Date: 11/30/2015
Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
Group: S-Trains Message: 77000 From: gregory mccormack Date: 11/30/2015
Subject: piggy back unloader ramps
Group: S-Trains Message: 77001 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/30/2015
Subject: Re: piggy back unloader ramps
Group: S-Trains Message: 77002 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 11/30/2015
Subject: some nice stuff at good prices
Group: S-Trains Message: 77003 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 11/30/2015
Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
Group: S-Trains Message: 77004 From: snstrains Date: 11/30/2015
Subject: Re: piggy back unloader ramps
Group: S-Trains Message: 77005 From: Paul A Krause Date: 12/2/2015
Subject: S-Helper F3 Diesel Scale Wheels and Wide Vision Caboose Scale Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 77006 From: Scott Holm Date: 12/2/2015
Subject: Bob Tuft's Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 77007 From: alevans51 Date: 12/2/2015
Subject: WHY BUCK CONVERTERS ARE VALUABLE
Group: S-Trains Message: 77008 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 12/2/2015
Subject: Weathering Paint loss on cars...?
Group: S-Trains Message: 77009 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 12/2/2015
Subject: Re: Weathering Paint loss on cars...?
Group: S-Trains Message: 77010 From: Dr Trains Date: 12/2/2015
Subject: Re: WHY BUCK CONVERTERS ARE VALUABLE
Group: S-Trains Message: 77011 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 12/4/2015
Subject: Re: Weathering Paint loss on cars...?
Group: S-Trains Message: 77012 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 12/4/2015
Subject: Fog Machine for SMOKE!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 77013 From: racin510 Date: 12/4/2015
Subject: Re: Fog Machine for SMOKE!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 77014 From: icequeen1982 Date: 12/4/2015
Subject: Re: Fog Machine for SMOKE!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 77015 From: icequeen1982 Date: 12/4/2015
Subject: Re: Fog Machine for SMOKE!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 77016 From: Roy Inman Date: 12/4/2015
Subject: Re: Fog Machine for SMOKE!! [1 Attachment]
Group: S-Trains Message: 77017 From: Bruce R. DeGailler Sr. Date: 12/5/2015
Subject: Re: For sale: 21100, 21168, 21161, 283, 308, 21085, 21084, 21085, 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 77018 From: Bruce R. DeGailler Sr. Date: 12/5/2015
Subject: Re: For sale: 21100, 21168, 21161, 283, 308, 21085
Group: S-Trains Message: 77019 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/5/2015
Subject: Re: Fog Machine for SMOKE!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 77020 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/5/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 06 December 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 77021 From: traindavid Date: 12/6/2015
Subject: Chat tonight, sorry I won't be there
Group: S-Trains Message: 77022 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/6/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 06 December 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 77023 From: Bruce R. DeGailler Sr. Date: 12/6/2015
Subject: Re: For sale: 21100, 21168, 21161, 283, 308, 21085, 21084, 21085, 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 77024 From: mike gardner Date: 12/8/2015
Subject: LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 77025 From: Alan Smith Date: 12/8/2015
Subject: Re: LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 77026 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/9/2015
Subject: : LED's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77027 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/9/2015
Subject: Re: LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 77028 From: c100495 Date: 12/9/2015
Subject: Re: LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 77029 From: William J Gill Date: 12/9/2015
Subject: Re: LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 77030 From: racin510 Date: 12/9/2015
Subject: Re: LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 77031 From: Eric Date: 12/10/2015
Subject: Fwd: ITEMS for Sale - S Brass - Scale Budd Zephyr and a caboose - Ri
Group: S-Trains Message: 77032 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/10/2015
Subject: Re: LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 77033 From: mike gardner Date: 12/10/2015
Subject: Re: LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 77034 From: bud9351 Date: 12/10/2015
Subject: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77035 From: traindavid Date: 12/11/2015
Subject: AMs Pacific trailing truck derails
Group: S-Trains Message: 77036 From: poniaj Date: 12/11/2015
Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77037 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 12/11/2015
Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77038 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/11/2015
Subject: Track source
Group: S-Trains Message: 77039 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 12/11/2015
Subject: Re: Larger local clubs out there?
Group: S-Trains Message: 77040 From: keyhole_corona Date: 12/11/2015
Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77041 From: Paul A Krause Date: 12/11/2015
Subject: Re: Track source
Group: S-Trains Message: 77042 From: crossing5423 Date: 12/11/2015
Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77043 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 12/11/2015
Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77044 From: Tom Hawley Date: 12/11/2015
Subject: Re: Track source
Group: S-Trains Message: 77045 From: Tom Date: 12/11/2015
Subject: Re: Track source
Group: S-Trains Message: 77046 From: Tom Date: 12/11/2015
Subject: SHS track equivalents
Group: S-Trains Message: 77047 From: racin510 Date: 12/11/2015
Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77048 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 12/11/2015
Subject: Re: SHS track equivalents
Group: S-Trains Message: 77049 From: Tom Date: 12/11/2015
Subject: Re: SHS track equivalents
Group: S-Trains Message: 77050 From: bud9351 Date: 12/12/2015
Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77051 From: bud9351 Date: 12/12/2015
Subject: Re: Larger local clubs out there?
Group: S-Trains Message: 77052 From: bud9351 Date: 12/12/2015
Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77053 From: bud9351 Date: 12/12/2015
Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77054 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 12/12/2015
Subject: track sour
Group: S-Trains Message: 77055 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 12/12/2015
Subject: Re: AMs Pacific trailing truck derails
Group: S-Trains Message: 77056 From: wema103 Date: 12/12/2015
Subject: Road Crossing Signals
Group: S-Trains Message: 77057 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/12/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 13 December 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 77058 From: Tom Date: 12/12/2015
Subject: Crossing signals
Group: S-Trains Message: 77059 From: Don Abrams Date: 12/13/2015
Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77060 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/13/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 13 December 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 77061 From: bud9351 Date: 12/13/2015
Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77062 From: fahrwud Date: 12/13/2015
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 13 December 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 77063 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/14/2015
Subject: dr connaly, Monday, 14 December 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 77064 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 12/14/2015
Subject: Sound low on Polar Express
Group: S-Trains Message: 77065 From: James Lyle Date: 12/14/2015
Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77066 From: acgilbertguy Date: 12/14/2015
Subject: 44-tonner
Group: S-Trains Message: 77067 From: bud9351 Date: 12/14/2015
Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77068 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/14/2015
Subject: Re: 44-tonner
Group: S-Trains Message: 77069 From: tennsgauger Date: 12/14/2015
Subject: Re: Sound low on Polar Express-Anyone tested the other new Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 77070 From: Frank Emiro Date: 12/14/2015
Subject: Re: Sound low on Polar Express-Anyone tested the other new Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 77071 From: acgilbertguy Date: 12/15/2015
Subject: Re: 44-tonner
Group: S-Trains Message: 77072 From: James Lyle Date: 12/15/2015
Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77073 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/15/2015
Subject: Re: Sound low on Polar Express
Group: S-Trains Message: 77074 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/16/2015
Subject: Sound low on Polar Express
Group: S-Trains Message: 77075 From: Bill Clark Date: 12/16/2015
Subject: Re: Sound low on Polar Express
Group: S-Trains Message: 77076 From: Dr Trains Date: 12/16/2015
Subject: Items for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 77077 From: frank emiro Date: 12/16/2015
Subject: Re: Sound low on Polar Express
Group: S-Trains Message: 77078 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 12/17/2015
Subject: small sound amp needed for
Group: S-Trains Message: 77079 From: srgriggs Date: 12/17/2015
Subject: Berkshire Shipping Date
Group: S-Trains Message: 77080 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 12/17/2015
Subject: Re: small sound amp needed for
Group: S-Trains Message: 77081 From: racin510 Date: 12/17/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshire Shipping Date
Group: S-Trains Message: 77082 From: JOHN RUTH Date: 12/18/2015
Subject: PE Control
Group: S-Trains Message: 77083 From: Bill Clark Date: 12/18/2015
Subject: Re: PE Control
Group: S-Trains Message: 77084 From: snstrains Date: 12/18/2015
Subject: Re: PE Control
Group: S-Trains Message: 77085 From: Bill Clark Date: 12/18/2015
Subject: Re: PE Control
Group: S-Trains Message: 77086 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/18/2015
Subject: Re: PE Control
Group: S-Trains Message: 77087 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 12/18/2015
Subject: Will the Lionel crossover handle scale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 77088 From: srgriggs Date: 12/18/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshire Shipping Date
Group: S-Trains Message: 77089 From: Bill Clark Date: 12/18/2015
Subject: Re: PE Control
Group: S-Trains Message: 77090 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/19/2015
Subject: Re: PE Control
Group: S-Trains Message: 77091 From: traindavid Date: 12/19/2015
Subject: Re: PE control
Group: S-Trains Message: 77092 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/19/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 20 December 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 77093 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/20/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 20 December 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 77094 From: rogermeekhof Date: 12/20/2015
Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77095 From: trndad Date: 12/21/2015
Subject: Re: PE Control
Group: S-Trains Message: 77096 From: bud9351 Date: 12/21/2015
Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
Group: S-Trains Message: 77097 From: srgriggs Date: 12/22/2015
Subject: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77098 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 12/22/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77099 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77100 From: reefma_99 Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77101 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77102 From: claudino.john Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 77103 From: poniaj Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Berkshires Shipped
Group: S-Trains Message: 77104 From: traindavid Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77105 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Custom Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 77106 From: poniaj Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77107 From: Frank Emiro Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77108 From: Jim Schiele Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: PE
Group: S-Trains Message: 77109 From: frank emiro Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Re: PE
Group: S-Trains Message: 77110 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77111 From: jhannawald Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Re: PE
Group: S-Trains Message: 77112 From: poniaj Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77113 From: rick flaherty Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Re: PE
Group: S-Trains Message: 77114 From: traindavid Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Those Flyone Berks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 77115 From: Don Abrams Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77116 From: tennsgauger Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77117 From: Don Abrams Date: 12/23/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77118 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/24/2015
Subject: Merry Christmas and Watch the Skies
Group: S-Trains Message: 77119 From: Dr Trains Date: 12/24/2015
Subject: Re: Custom Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 77120 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/24/2015
Subject: Two of the cars lights started to flicker and then went out.
Group: S-Trains Message: 77121 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/24/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77122 From: Scubadoo22 Date: 12/24/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77123 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 12/24/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77124 From: William Gill Date: 12/24/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77125 From: traindavid Date: 12/24/2015
Subject: Details, details
Group: S-Trains Message: 77126 From: snstrains Date: 12/24/2015
Subject: Re: Custom Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 77127 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/24/2015
Subject: Re: Custom Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 77128 From: carl4flyer Date: 12/24/2015
Subject: Re: Details, details
Group: S-Trains Message: 77129 From: racin510 Date: 12/24/2015
Subject: Re: Details, details
Group: S-Trains Message: 77130 From: SnSTrains@... Date: 12/24/2015
Subject: Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 77131 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/24/2015
Subject: Re: Custom Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 77132 From: William Lewis Date: 12/24/2015
Subject: Re: Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 77133 From: hunbet Date: 12/25/2015
Subject: Re: Details, details
Group: S-Trains Message: 77134 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/25/2015
Subject: Link to Electro 10 spoke wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 77135 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/25/2015
Subject: Re: Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 77136 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/25/2015
Subject: Re: Link to Electro 10 spoke wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 77137 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/25/2015
Subject: Clean wheel drawing
Group: S-Trains Message: 77138 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 12/25/2015
Subject: Re: Custom Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 77139 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 12/25/2015
Subject: Holiday
Group: S-Trains Message: 77140 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/25/2015
Subject: Re: Clean wheel drawing
Group: S-Trains Message: 77141 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 12/25/2015
Subject: My holiday wish
Group: S-Trains Message: 77142 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/25/2015
Subject: Re: Clean wheel drawing
Group: S-Trains Message: 77143 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/25/2015
Subject: Re: Clean wheel drawing
Group: S-Trains Message: 77144 From: carl4flyer Date: 12/25/2015
Subject: Re: Clean wheel drawing
Group: S-Trains Message: 77145 From: traindavid Date: 12/26/2015
Subject: Re: Details, details
Group: S-Trains Message: 77146 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/26/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 27 December 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 77147 From: Bill Lane Date: 12/27/2015
Subject: SHS Reading hopper set for sale or trade
Group: S-Trains Message: 77148 From: Anthony Cynor Date: 12/27/2015
Subject: Re: Details, details
Group: S-Trains Message: 77149 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/27/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 27 December 2015
Group: S-Trains Message: 77150 From: Bill Lane Date: 12/27/2015
Subject: Woody's Lumber
Group: S-Trains Message: 77151 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 12/27/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77152 From: rick gough Date: 12/27/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77153 From: srgriggs Date: 12/27/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77154 From: Don Abrams Date: 12/28/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77155 From: stevew970 Date: 12/29/2015
Subject: new product
Group: S-Trains Message: 77156 From: traindavid Date: 12/29/2015
Subject: re; Berkshires shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 77157 From: racin510 Date: 12/30/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshire Shipping Date
Group: S-Trains Message: 77158 From: keyhole_corona Date: 12/30/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshire Shipping Date
Group: S-Trains Message: 77159 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 12/31/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshire Shipping Date
Group: S-Trains Message: 77160 From: Jim Schiele Date: 12/31/2015
Subject: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 77161 From: Alan Lambert Date: 12/31/2015
Subject: Re: Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 77162 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 12/31/2015
Subject: Re: General Product Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 77163 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 12/31/2015
Subject: New Year



Group: S-Trains Message: 75661 From: scaler164 Date: 1/1/2015
Subject: AM's 21" Radius Curve Track Sections (Again)
Once again, I am looking for some American Models 21" radius curved track sections... AM part # T14821.
 
Anyone know of a source?
 
All I need is enough to make a complete circle... 12 pieces if I remember correctly.
 
NEW only, please... nothing used.
 
Thanks.
 
 
John Degnan
Scaler164@...
 
Group: S-Trains Message: 75662 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/1/2015
Subject: E 984 box car
It is on ebay now. If someone on the list wants it I will take off 10% from the ebay price and pull it from ebay and sell direct to you.
See link;


Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 75663 From: UNLV666@... Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: S Helper Turnouts and Bumper Track
Hello Team:
 
I am looking for the following S-Helper track items:
 
             Turn-out, right handed, manual                 Quantity 2
             Bumper Track, preferably with light           Quantity 2
 
Joe Santoro
New Hampshire
 
 
 
Group: S-Trains Message: 75664 From: alan Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: Re: E 984 box car
Mark, 
Somethings looks odd on the car. The body is made for the screw in one end yet the pins are in the corners of the car.  It appears to have a Repro brake wheel, as the original brake wheels didn't stand proud of the body.      Please tell me I'm wrong !! 
Cheers,
Al
On Jan 1, 2015, at 10:48 PM, robbe_wan@... [S-Trains] wrote:

 

It is on ebay now. If someone on the list wants it I will take off 10% from the ebay price and pull it from ebay and sell direct to you.

See link;


Mark


Group: S-Trains Message: 75665 From: Mike Leahy Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: A.F. Royal Blue

Just wanted you to know that I have a Royal Blue on Ebay which will end on Sunday evening.  It has the rare “Royal Blue” on both the engine & tender!  Thought I should share this with this group, as this is not common.

 

Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains Message: 75666 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: Re: E 984 box car
I don't know that I can argue with you. All I know is I didn't mess with it.
I bought the car about 12 years ago and it has been wrapped in tissue in the box. If I took a picture looking at the side if the break wheel would that tell you anything? It looks a little different in real life. I think it is the shallow depth of field in the end photos.

On Jan 1, 2015, at 11:35 PM, "alan alansmith@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Mark, 

Somethings looks odd on the car. The body is made for the screw in one end yet the pins are in the corners of the car.  It appears to have a Repro brake wheel, as the original brake wheels didn't stand proud of the body.      Please tell me I'm wrong !! 
Cheers,
Al
On Jan 1, 2015, at 10:48 PM, robbe_wan@... [S-Trains] wrote:

 

It is on ebay now. If someone on the list wants it I will take off 10% from the ebay price and pull it from ebay and sell direct to you.

See link;


Mark


Group: S-Trains Message: 75667 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: Re: E 984 box car
I have an identical 984 NH car NIB; there are several boxcars in the 980 series which have the screw hole and tab slot that are attached to the frame via the 4 pins (981 being another). I find nothing unusual about the car.
 
Herb
paflyrman
 
Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] E 984 box car
 
 

I don't know that I can argue with you. All I know is I didn't mess with it.
I bought the car about 12 years ago and it has been wrapped in tissue in the box. If I took a picture looking at the side if the break wheel would that tell you anything? It looks a little different in real life. I think it is the shallow depth of field in the end photos.

On Jan 1, 2015, at 11:35 PM, "alan alansmith@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Mark,

Somethings looks odd on the car. The body is made for the screw in one end yet the pins are in the corners of the car.  It appears to have a Repro brake wheel, as the original brake wheels didn't stand proud of the body.      Please tell me I'm wrong !!
Cheers,
Al
On Jan 1, 2015, at 10:48 PM, robbe_wan@... [S-Trains] wrote:

 

It is on ebay now. If someone on the list wants it I will take off 10% from the ebay price and pull it from ebay and sell direct to you.

See link;
 
 
Mark
 
 
Group: S-Trains Message: 75668 From: James Lyle Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: Re: S Helper Turnouts and Bumper Track
Have the two lighted bumpers plus unlighted bumpers, uncouplers & acc tracks
All NEW in box.
Lighted bumpers are 21.95 each plus USPS Priority shipping.
Thank you
Jim Lyle

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2015, at 4:56 AM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hello Team:
 
I am looking for the following S-Helper track items:
 
             Turn-out, right handed, manual                 Quantity 2
             Bumper Track, preferably with light           Quantity 2
 
Joe Santoro
New Hampshire
 
 
 
Group: S-Trains Message: 75669 From: UNLV666@... Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: Re: S Helper Turnouts and Bumper Track
Jim:
 
How do I contact you? I do not see a separate e-mail address?
 
Joe
 
 
In a message dated 1/2/2015 12:55:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
 

Have the two lighted bumpers plus unlighted bumpers, uncouplers & acc tracks
All NEW in box.
Lighted bumpers are 21.95 each plus USPS Priority shipping.
Thank you
Jim Lyle

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2015, at 4:56 AM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hello Team:
 
I am looking for the following S-Helper track items:
 
             Turn-out, right handed, manual                 Quantity 2
             Bumper Track, preferably with light           Quantity 2
 
Joe Santoro
New Hampshire
 
 
 

Group: S-Trains Message: 75670 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: Re: E 984 box car
One of the list member told me he thought the shell had been pried off, and was looking at the chip as part of the indication on the end of the car. I can't get a good picture of the area between the car and the floor, but there appears to be pristine paint there with no sign of scratching. I personally don't think it has been removed.

I have made about 10 attempts to get a picture of the joint, but I just can't seem to get enough light in the right place so that you can see the paint. My flash creates a shadow that makes it look like there is a black edge where there is none. Perhaps if we get a sunny day I will be able to get a picture with available light and skip the flash. (wish I had a macro lens)

Mark

On Jan 2, 2015, at 10:51 AM, "'Herb and Bev Lanier' hblanier@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I have an identical 984 NH car NIB; there are several boxcars in the 980 series which have the screw hole and tab slot that are attached to the frame via the 4 pins (981 being another). I find nothing unusual about the car.
 
Herb
paflyrman
 
Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] E 984 box car
 
 

I don't know that I can argue with you. All I know is I didn't mess with it.
I bought the car about 12 years ago and it has been wrapped in tissue in the box. If I took a picture looking at the side if the break wheel would that tell you anything? It looks a little different in real life. I think it is the shallow depth of field in the end photos.

On Jan 1, 2015, at 11:35 PM, "alan alansmith@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Mark,

Somethings looks odd on the car. The body is made for the screw in one end yet the pins are in the corners of the car.  It appears to have a Repro brake wheel, as the original brake wheels didn't stand proud of the body.      Please tell me I'm wrong !!
Cheers,
Al
On Jan 1, 2015, at 10:48 PM, robbe_wan@... [S-Trains] wrote:

 

It is on ebay now. If someone on the list wants it I will take off 10% from the ebay price and pull it from ebay and sell direct to you.

See link;
 
 
Mark
 
 

Group: S-Trains Message: 75671 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: Re: S-Helper Service Inc
ON each end of the plastic truck there should be a place where you can use a small screwdriver to unsnap the plastic frame from the truck. If you need a picture let me know. Chris
Group: S-Trains Message: 75672 From: Mark Kiner Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: Image of 984 car end
This is a link to the best picture I could get of the car



The chip just looks like it flaked off to me.

Opinions?

Mark

Group: S-Trains Message: 75673 From: Mark Kiner Date: 1/2/2015
Subject: An even better picture of the 984
Group: S-Trains Message: 75674 From: traindavid Date: 1/3/2015
Subject: Re: E 984 box car & SHS diesel electronics needed
Combining two posts into one--hey I'm on dial up, gotta save some bandwidth!


Neat detail photos of the paint chips. They look like Factory handling chips
to me--to insignificant for ACG to care--it was a TOY! It all looks
untouched to me. As for the screw hole & slots; this is typical of the
transition production. The shell mold was only modified for the new floor
attachment system, leaving the pin bosses intact so that the "old style"
floors already in stock could be used up. Considering how simple the floor
stamping was, I would bet that when the press was set up, a LOT of floors
were produced and stacked up in the stores area. By modifying the body mold
first, they were ready for the new without having to toss the existing
parts. Thinking about it now, this is also true of the bodies--once the
plastic injection machine was set up to make bodies, the made a LOT of
bodies, which would then be set aside for painting into whatever model was
in production. Where do you think all those undecorated bodies came from
that Hobby Surplus Sales had/has? (Yes, I know that some bodies were
contract molded by Lionel when they first got the molds.)


Now second item: I have an SHS F-3 that doesn't want to make sounds anymore,
nor does it reliably reverse either. With the shell off, it runs fine, but
attaching the shell, which also attaches the speaker unit, causes the loco
to not run consistently AND it emits a constant loud static noise,
unaffected by the volume pot on the dip switch panel. I'm at a loss to fix
this and suspect I need new boards. Any source out there??? Just
thinking--what could go wrong with the speaker assembly to cause this?? Bad
capacitor?? (that's the only component I see on the speaker). Anyone out
there familiar enough with these things to tell me what's wrong?
S'incerely
David Dewey
Group: S-Trains Message: 75675 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/3/2015
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 05 January 2015
Attachments :
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    When
    Monday, 05 January 2015
    01:00 AM to 07:30 AM
    (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
    Where
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    Notes
    SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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    Group: S-Trains Message: 75676 From: kempfam Date: 1/4/2015
    Subject: Re: E 984 box car & SHS diesel electronics needed
    Twacks and Twains does repairs and had bought remaining SHS inventory. I expect they could help.  Sounds to me like the board or wiring is being stressed causing an intermittant connection.

    Ron Kemp




    Sent from Samsung tablet
    Group: S-Trains Message: 75677 From: Victor Bereskin Date: 1/4/2015
    Subject: Re: E 984 box car & SHS diesel electronics needed

    This definetly sounds like what would happen if the capacitor were shorted.  Capacitors are cheap. Try replacing it before dropping big bucks on a replacement board.

    Vic Bereskin

    Group: S-Trains Message: 75678 From: EDWARD ECKERT Date: 1/4/2015
    Subject: GM Train of Tomorrow, 1948

    Group: S-Trains Message: 75679 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/4/2015
    Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 05 January 2015
    Attachments :
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      When
      Monday, 05 January 2015
      01:00 AM to 07:30 AM
      (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
      Where
      http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
      Notes
      SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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      Group: S-Trains Message: 75680 From: bud9351 Date: 1/4/2015
      Subject: Re: GM Train of Tomorrow, 1948
      Ed,
          Are you a western New York resident? I live in Hamburg. I never knew about this train but as kid got to see a lot of the display trains on the NY Central.
          Bud Rindfleisch
      Group: S-Trains Message: 75681 From: Jim Armstrong Date: 1/5/2015
      Subject: Re: GM Train of Tomorrow, 1948
      I saw this train on the Santa Fe railway line, when it stopped in my little home town, Holbrook Arizona.
      I still have a picture or two of it that my dad took at the time.
      Group: S-Trains Message: 75682 From: scaler164 Date: 1/5/2015
      Subject: FOR SALE : SHS
      Anyone in the market for a SHS Pulpwood Car in Atlantic Coast Line colors?
       
      SHS item # 01817
      ACL car # 78408
       
      Asking price : $45
      Shipping cost : $10
       
      Please contact me offline if interested.
       
       
      John Degnan
      Scaler164@...
       
        @@attachment@@
      Group: S-Trains Message: 75683 From: pickycat95 Date: 1/6/2015
      Subject: SHS Scale Couplers to purchase or trade?

      I'm looking for the brown 'rust' colored SHS scale couplers for ore cars.  I'm wondering if anyone in high rail or Flyer land has spares he is willing to part with.

      Ben Trousdale

      Group: S-Trains Message: 75684 From: Charles Hancock Date: 1/8/2015
      Subject: Gilbert Diesel, 360
      Greetings to all from snowy West Michigan ....
      Need a wiring diagram for dual motor 360 that I can see .... magnifying my reference diagram cost focus.
      E-unit will cycle and headlamp will light but motors do not turn .... ? All else seems fine.
      Thanks for the help and best wishes.
      Charlie
      Group: S-Trains Message: 75685 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 1/9/2015
      Subject: Re: Gilbert Diesel, 360

      Hi Charlie

       

      The few 360 I have had to work on the major issue has always been finger units I usually replace them and have no problems they take a lot of time to do I usually do one wire at a time so I don’t mix them up, The other issue I have has is the PA11684 square brush sometimes is loose from the brass arm thus not making contact (poor soldering job at factory) the other issue is that over the years the armature gets dirty may need to be cleaned I had one once that a piece of tinsel from tree decoration got caught in I  if you not sure how to clean it or need someone to look at it you might want to contact either Doug Peck doug@...  or bill parr bparrtrains@...  or Tom seccia  seccia@...  hope this helps you

      Good luck Stan

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:59 PM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Diesel, 360

       

       

      Greetings to all from snowy West Michigan ....
      Need a wiring diagram for dual motor 360 that I can see .... magnifying my reference diagram cost focus.
      E-unit will cycle and headlamp will light but motors do not turn .... ? All else seems fine.
      Thanks for the help and best wishes.
      Charlie

      Group: S-Trains Message: 75686 From: snstrains Date: 1/9/2015
      Subject: Re: Gilbert Diesel, 360
      95% of the time it is going to be a reverse unit problem. Very, Very unlikely that both motors would quit at the same time for a reason other than a reverse unit malfunction. If neither motor makes any attempt to run, you can be assured it's the reverse unit.
       
      Steve Blackburn
      Boise, Idaho
       
      In a message dated 1/9/2015 12:10:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
       

      Hi Charlie

      The few 360 I have had to work on the major issue has always been finger units I usually replace them and have no problems they take a lot of time to do I usually do one wire at a time so I don’t mix them up, The other issue I have has is the PA11684 square brush sometimes is loose from the brass arm thus not making contact (poor soldering job at factory) the other issue is that over the years the armature gets dirty may need to be cleaned I had one once that a piece of tinsel from tree decoration got caught in I  if you not sure how to clean it or need someone to look at it you might want to contact either Doug Peck doug@...  or bill parr bparrtrains@...  or Tom seccia  seccia@...  hope this helps you

      Good luck Stan

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:59 PM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Diesel, 360

       

      Greetings to all from snowy West Michigan ....
      Need a wiring diagram for dual motor 360 that I can see .... magnifying my reference diagram cost focus.
      E-unit will cycle and headlamp will light but motors do not turn .... ? All else seems fine.
      Thanks for the help and best wishes.
      Charlie

      Group: S-Trains Message: 75687 From: Ted Walton Date: 1/9/2015
      Subject: Re: AF #2 transformer problem? - Solved
      Thanks to Jerry Feldman for some great suggestions for trouble
      shooting problems with my AF #2 transformer that was showing a 11v
      (actually15v) short from the posts to the transformer case. See the
      initial post at end of this post.


      The issue I discovered on working on the transformer was a lose
      connection on the common/base post that allowed the post to short out
      on the metal frame where the metal post passes through the hole in
      the frame. The insulators were in good condition so I realigned the
      insulators and post in the hole center and tighten the nut down on
      the post (which was quite lose) and that solved the problem.


      Because of concerns of some of the group members on potential
      electrical hazards in using this old transformer (failure of the
      insulation on the primary and secondary coils and shortage to the
      metal case), the following measurements were made.


      1. The resistance was infinite between the two primary wires and the
      metal transformer. This was measured at the soldered connections of
      the power cord with the primary sides of the transformer and the
      transformer housing (at several bare metal spots on the housing).
      With the transformer plug in, I measured no voltage using same points
      of measurements - so no shorts between the primary and metal
      transformer housing.


      2. The resistance between the two secondary leads from the
      transformer and the case were also infinite. Plugging the transformer
      in, I measured the voltage between the same points as above and got zero volts.


      So the transformer is showing no current leakage to the metal case at
      the primary or secondary to the metal case and the two outputs are
      reading 7 to 15v at the variable post and 15v at the constant voltage
      post - just the way it was made to do.


      >In a message dated 12/16/2014 4:12:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
      Ted Walton writes:
      I have an AM. Flyer # 2 transformer (75 watts) that has a fixed
      voltage output of 15V AC and a variable output of 7-15V AC and that
      is what I read with my voltmeter. If I connect one lead of the
      voltmeter to the common (base) post (or the fixed 15v post ) of the
      transformer and touch the metal case of the transformer I get a
      reading of a little over 11V AC (changing the variable rheostat makes
      no difference on the reading.
      Is this normal or is there some inappropriate contact some where
      inside the transformer? Ted Walton<
      Group: S-Trains Message: 75688 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 1/9/2015
      Subject: Re: trade
       
       
       
      -----Original Message-----
      From: noplowboy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Fri, Jan 9, 2015 4:48 pm
      Subject: Re: [S-Trains]  lionel new trucks o gauge trade for am high rail trucks s gauge
       
       I have 46 steel  0/27 or 0 gauge new trucks for trade for am trucks high rail . or sell $12 for pair. looking for sd60 frm am bnsf or up   thanks
       
      peter pacha
      des moines, iowa
       
       
      In a message dated 1/9/2015 12:10:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
       
        
      Group: S-Trains Message: 75689 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/10/2015
      Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 12 January 2015
      Attachments :
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        When
        Monday, 12 January 2015
        01:00 AM to 07:30 AM
        (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
        Where
        http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
        Notes
        SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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        Group: S-Trains Message: 75690 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/11/2015
        Subject: Re: Gilbert Diesel, 360

        For those of you needing good clear wiring diagrams, you need to invest $30 in the Korando Wiring Diagrams book.

        It contains newly-redrawn diagrams for every Gilbert AF steam and diesel engine……FAR better than the wiring diagrams in the Greenberg or K-Line reference books, or of the ones on our own website.

        We have the book in stock, and it is also available direct from Mike.

        The book is copyrighted, so please don’t ask me to scan and email specific diagrams to you…..I won’t do that.

        At $30, this book is a bargain for those who require such repair information.

         

        <<< Need a wiring diagram for dual motor 360 that I can see .... magnifying my reference diagram cost focus.
        E-unit will cycle and headlamp will light but motors do not turn .... ? All else seems fine.

        >>>

         

         

        Doug Peck
        Port Lines Hobby Supply
        6 Storeybrooke Drive
        Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
        doug@...
        www.portlines.com
        Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only.
        978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
        1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
        VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

         

        Group: S-Trains Message: 75691 From: Bill Lane Date: 1/11/2015
        Subject: Westinghouse flat car load for sale

        I am offering the attached urethane casting for sale as a flat car or gondola load. It was modeled after a large steel casting for steam generating turbines. My Pop worked for Westinghouse Electric in Lester PA as a steel pattern maker for large steam turbine castings. The Wabash flat car hung on the wall in my room for many years. I think there was a blade spindle in these castings.

         

        The master pattern was 3D printed and cast by my urethane caster. They will arrive + - as you see ready to use with no clean up needed. The items in the photos are production samples.

         

        I should have the production run within a month tops. They are cast in gray as shown but you will likely want to paint them because there are usually some minor color variations. In the urethane.

         

        This is a onetime project. I am not stocking them for sale at a later date.


        While I made them for S Scale they are really not scale specific. They are 2.37 long x .90 high x 1 .50 wide. You can scale convert from there.

         

        I am selling them in sets of 3 castings for $40.00 + $3.00 shipping, or 4 castings for $50.00 + $3.00 for shipping via USPS without insurance or tracking.

         

        I would much prefer to ship to the US only but email me if you are outside of the US and really want them. I will see what I can do.

         

        Payment in full is due upon placing the order.

         

        Send payment to:

        Bill Lane

        305 Dubois Ave

        West Deptford NJ 08096

         

        Please send me an email to confirm your order. Any questions please reply directly.

         

         

        Thank You,
        Bill Lane

        Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

        See my finished models at:
        http://www.lanestrains.com
        Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

         

        See my layout progress at:

        http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

        Custom Train Parts Design & 3D Printing
        http://www.3dmodeltech.com

        PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
        (Trading is MUCH preferred)
        http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

        ***Join the PRR T&HS***
        The other members are not ALL like me!
        http://www.prrths.com
        http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

        Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
        It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
        Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

         

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        Group: S-Trains Message: 75692 From: Eric Date: 1/11/2015
        Subject: SHS Track for sale

        For Sale  January 2915

        S Helper Service Track and Switches for sale.  All are slightly used The switches are the electronic versions.  Only the switches have been taken out of the boxes, the controllers, wires, etc  are as new.

        All the track is in original like new boxes.  It is mostly used and some have some minor brown paint ar the lower roadbed edges where someone painted the landscape a little too close.  This is really pretty minimal.

        00298 Right switch -  Later version – have one  $45

        00299 left switch –later version – Have 2  $45 each.

        00292 Curved Track  24 inch Radius  Have 4 boxes  $35 each

        00257  Straight track  15 inch long  have 3  $35 each

        00258  straight track – 10 inch long,  have 2.  $35 each

        Box of Parts of track.  Approximately 20 pieces of track plus pieces, some have ends cut, some are shortened custom lengths, others are just the extra pieces taken out when the special lengths were made.  $35.

        Everything totals to $485,  Will sell for $475.  Prefer to  sell all but make me an offer.


        Shipping is extra,  All will be boxed well and insured.  I have not had a lost or broken package yet.


        > Eric Reis
        EricRhere@...
        > Kenmore Wa. 98028
        > NASG since 86, TCA since 87,  Ebay since 99 (over 1080 positives)
        >
        > Paypal, Postal Money orders, Checks (held to clear) all work

        Group: S-Trains Message: 75693 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/11/2015
        Subject: 23743 track maint. Car
        Headed to ebay unless someone on the list wants it.


        In the clear plastic box E ... Make me an offer.


        Respond to flyer336-boy@...
        Group: S-Trains Message: 75694 From: Mark Kiner Date: 1/11/2015
        Subject: Here is the link to pictures of the maint. car driver.
        Amazing, he looks nearly perfect when held in your hand, but blemishes are visible in these photos...

        Those Gilbert painters must have had good eyes....


        Group: S-Trains Message: 75695 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/11/2015
        Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 12 January 2015
        Attachments :
          "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
          When
          Monday, 12 January 2015
          01:00 AM to 07:30 AM
          (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
          Where
          http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
          Notes
          SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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          Group: S-Trains Message: 75696 From: traindavid Date: 1/11/2015
          Subject: Green heavyweight KC sets
          Greetings all,
          While searching through my AF boxes (until I finish the house, my train
          room is nothing but boxes of "stuff" that belongs on shelves or in cabinets,
          or in some cases, installed in walls/cabinets--Ie; almost anything one owns
          for a house) looking for track and a train to run at the Sacramento Valley
          AF Club party yesterday (we run trains on a table for a while, then have the
          party--well, actually that IS part of the party!) I discovered that stored
          in different boxes, I have a complete green set of KC heavyweights. Cool!!
          now I need a baggage car too, and it should be a mail pickup car, I'm
          thinking. Hmm, when I have I seen a green 918?? Yikes, the book doesn't show
          one being made!! Did ACG miss out here; although the operating baggage car
          seems to have only been made in green? So, I have found a green 718 with KC
          conversions--that's easier than painting & lettering a bad red 918, I'm
          thinking. But this also has me wondering; although the books I have don't
          show it, are the green cars more unusual than the red/maroon ones??
          And, one more thing I don't need to look for when browsing train shows--in
          fact, I've found I have a LOT more stuff than I remembered having. . . . .
          .
          It will be Christmas when I empty/sort this room! (Picture the Government
          warehouse scene at the end of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" and you'll have an
          inkling of my "train room" right now--except the aisles are a LOT narrower!
          But the "stacks" are almost to the ceiling!
          OH boy, I think I'm starting to see why my family thinks I'm a Hoarder. . .
          . . .
          (Oh, and the train room isn't the only place I have AF stored. . . . .)
          S'
          David D.
          Group: S-Trains Message: 75697 From: snstrains Date: 1/11/2015
          Subject: Re: Here is the link to pictures of the maint. car driver.
          Actually, their eyes were in the land of the rising sun.
           
          In a message dated 1/11/2015 10:39:05 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
           

          Amazing, he looks nearly perfect when held in your hand, but blemishes are visible in these photos...

          Those Gilbert painters must have had good eyes....


          Group: S-Trains Message: 75698 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 1/12/2015
          Subject: which way is this train going? controlwith your mind
          Group: S-Trains Message: 75699 From: Jim Strompolis Date: 1/12/2015
          Subject: TRAIN-O-RAMA
          Hi All:Does anybody have spare panels?If so I am looking for corner section E left side,store buildings.Or know where I may find one.Thanks Jim
          Group: S-Trains Message: 75700 From: alhbaker Date: 1/12/2015
          Subject: Wanted: American Models Diesel Reverse Units (2)

          I am looking for two AC electronic reverse units (e-units) specifically for AM FA-2 diesels.   I don't know, maybe they are the same as some other diesels?   


          Please contact me off line at email below.


          Al Baker

          albaker33@...

          Group: S-Trains Message: 75701 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/12/2015
          Subject: Re: Which way is this train going...

          I got dizzy watching that train, no matter which way I made it go!  And that's a LONG train!   Those folks waiting on the platform are going to be there quite a while!   Obviously this is an optical illusion created by the rapid movement.


          When it comes to mind controlling anything, that's probably less possible today than ever before for me.  Heck, I can't seem to control anything anymore, let alone do it with just thought!    I saw a thing about a new product that connects to your brain that you can use to troll the Internet last week on the Science Channel.  Hey, I don't want anything electronic attached to my mind!  One malfunction of this device and you really would be "fried!"


          Besides, there is a lot of strange stuff lurking above my eyes that should never get out of the that dark, cobwebbed space! :-)


          Stumpy in Ahia

          Group: S-Trains Message: 75702 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 1/14/2015
          Subject: Re: Gilbert Diesel, 360
          The fairly complete AC Gilbert service manual is in the gallery section at MyFlyerTrains.org and has the 360 wiring diagrams.

          Use link at bottom of any Strains message!

          Enjoy!

          Chuck
          Myflyertrains.org 

          Sent from my iPhone

          On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:58 PM, Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

           

          Greetings to all from snowy West Michigan ....
          Need a wiring diagram for dual motor 360 that I can see .... magnifying my reference diagram cost focus.
          E-unit will cycle and headlamp will light but motors do not turn .... ? All else seems fine.
          Thanks for the help and best wishes.
          Charlie

          Group: S-Trains Message: 75703 From: vito4cal Date: 1/14/2015
          Subject: ANNOUCEMENT - S WEST 10 - Northern California

          2015 O Scale West & S West 10

           

          Largest S scale show west of the Mississippi!

           

          There will be S standard and narrow gauge dealers, clinics, videos & contest.

           

          The BASS club will have their modular layout up and running so bring your equipment to run on the layout. Equipment must meet NASG standards.

           

          Convention info:

           

          February 5-7, 2015

          Hyatt Regency Santa Clara

          5101 Great America Parkway

          Santa Clara, CA 95054

          Reservations: 800-233-1234

          Hotel Switchboard: 408-200-1234

          Hotel Fax: 408-980-3939

           

          Admission: $30 for registration which includes spouse and all children under age of 18

           

          Saturday only - $20

           

          Table Rentals: $45, electrical hook up is free.

           

          Additional information & registration forms available at: http://www.oscalewest.com

           

          Other Additional questions, please contact John Gibson offline.

           

          Look forward to seeing you at the show.

           

          John Gibson

          S West Convention Committee

           


          Group: S-Trains Message: 75704 From: snstrains Date: 1/14/2015
          Subject: Re: ANNOUCEMENT - S WEST 10 - Northern California
          Am I reading this correctly? Is this actually going to be more than a 1 (very short) day show? If so, that may entice others to travel there from afar.
           
          Steve Blackburn
          Boise, Idaho
           
          In a message dated 1/14/2015 12:23:10 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
           

          2015 O Scale West & S West 10

           

          Largest S scale show west of the Mississippi!

           

          There will be S standard and narrow gauge dealers, clinics, videos & contest.

           

          The BASS club will have their modular layout up and running so bring your equipment to run on the layout. Equipment must meet NASG standards.

           

          Convention info:

           

          February 5-7, 2015

          Hyatt Regency Santa Clara

          5101 Great America Parkway

          Santa Clara, CA 95054

          Reservations: 800-233-1234

          Hotel Switchboard: 408-200-1234

          Hotel Fax: 408-980-3939

           

          Admission: $30 for registration which includes spouse and all children under age of 18

           

          Saturday only - $20

           

          Table Rentals: $45, electrical hook up is free.

           

          Additional information & registration forms available at: http://www.oscalewest.com

           

          Other Additional questions, please contact John Gibson offline.

           

          Look forward to seeing you at the show.

           

          John Gibson

          S West Convention Committee

           


          Group: S-Trains Message: 75705 From: Charles Hancock Date: 1/15/2015
          Subject: Re: Gilbert Diesel, 360, Thank You!
          My thanks to all for your thoughts on the 360.
          It is not wired as the diagrams indicate, so it will get new wires and fingers (keep them crossed)
          and we will see where that takes us.
          Best wishes,
          Charlie

          On Jan 8, 2015, at 11:58 PM, Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains] wrote:

           

          Greetings to all from snowy West Michigan ....
          Need a wiring diagram for dual motor 360 that I can see .... magnifying my reference diagram cost focus.
          E-unit will cycle and headlamp will light but motors do not turn .... ? All else seems fine.
          Thanks for the help and best wishes.
          Charlie


          Group: S-Trains Message: 75706 From: John Gibson Date: 1/15/2015
          Subject: Re: ANNOUCEMENT - S WEST 10 - Northern California
          The show opens Thursday Feb 5 and the vender booths close Saturday Feb 6. There are layout tours on Sunday Feb 7.


          ~ John


          John Gibson
          Rocklin, CA
          Group: S-Trains Message: 75707 From: Dale Smith Date: 1/15/2015
          Subject: Re: ANNOUCEMENT - S WEST 10 - Northern California
          Am I correct in assuming that this event is pretty much S scale oriented, at least as to the S gauge portion of the event, with little or no Flyer?

          Dale Smith
          On 1/14/2015 12:34 PM, boss31@... [S-Trains] wrote:
           

          Am I reading this correctly? Is this actually going to be more than a 1 (very short) day show? If so, that may entice others to travel there from afar.
           
          Steve Blackburn
          Boise, Idaho
           
          In a message dated 1/14/2015 12:23:10 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
           

          2015 O Scale West & S West 10

           

          Largest S scale show west of the Mississippi!

           

          There will be S standard and narrow gauge dealers, clinics, videos & contest.

           

          The BASS club will have their modular layout up and running so bring your equipment to run on the layout. Equipment must meet NASG standards.

           

          Convention info:

           

          February 5-7, 2015

          Hyatt Regency Santa Clara

          5101 Great America Parkway

          Santa Clara, CA 95054

          Reservations: 800-233-1234

          Hotel Switchboard: 408-200-1234

          Hotel Fax: 408-980-3939

           

          Admission: $30 for registration which includes spouse and all children under age of 18

           

          Saturday only - $20

           

          Table Rentals: $45, electrical hook up is free.

           

          Additional information & registration forms available at: http://www.oscalewest.com

           

          Other Additional questions, please contact John Gibson offline.

           

          Look forward to seeing you at the show.

           

          John Gibson

          S West Convention Committee

           



          Group: S-Trains Message: 75708 From: traindavid Date: 1/17/2015
          Subject: Frank Titman's passing
          While not unexpected, this is indeed, sad news for all of us. I honestly
          can't say who was more responsible for S existing today, A C Gilbert, or
          Frank Titman. One started the game, the other brought it to a new level and
          kept the firebox hot when many around thought we were in the scrap line. His
          significance can be noted by my posting this to both S groups, who should,
          for this one moment, have a truce and pay homage to a great human being, to
          whom we are all indebted. Frank would think these praises are "horse
          feathers" and thank us all for our efforts, he was that kind of guy. For
          some of us, he has been a part of our lives since the 1960s, even if we
          never met him. Safe Journey Frank, we will all miss you.
          S'incerely,
          David Dewey
          Group: S-Trains Message: 75709 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/17/2015
          Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 19 January 2015
          Attachments :
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            When
            Monday, 19 January 2015
            01:00 AM to 07:30 AM
            (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
            Where
            http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
            Notes
            SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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            Group: S-Trains Message: 75710 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/17/2015
            Subject: Re: Frank Titman's passing

            Back in the dark days of S in the seventies, there was Frank Titman and a few others who kept S gauge interesting enough to attract a few folks back to it.  I had American Flyer as a youth, had moved on to HO, but   Frank's modified Flyer and other trains and his Spiral Hill layout were an inspiration.


            I was a budding "rubber gauger" at the time, trying scales other than HO and spent several years in S.   In those days there was little available and it was necessary for everyone to be creative.  Kit bashing and scratch building were the order of the day.  It was guys like Frank who kept the model railroading side of S alive when there was so little.  It was  also during this period that I learned so much of what I do today in S.


            Add my thanks to the list as well Frank.


            Stumpy Stone in Ahia

            Group: S-Trains Message: 75711 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/18/2015
            Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 19 January 2015
            Attachments :
              "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
              When
              Monday, 19 January 2015
              01:00 AM to 07:30 AM
              (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
              Where
              http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
              Notes
              SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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              Group: S-Trains Message: 75712 From: rogermeekhof Date: 1/18/2015
              Subject: Re: Wanted: American Models Diesel Reverse Units (2)

              Al, AM models sells replacement units for $45.


              My 2 cents - I would replace them with Dalee Units, about the same price. They are smaller and more reliable.

              In addition, I have linked all of my AM models cab units (Both FA and PA s) together with

              wires and connectors through diaphragms and use just one e-unit to operate all motors.

              Solves the problem that AM reverse units  seem to be always out of sequence.


              Like I said , my 2 cents worth


              Roger



              Group: S-Trains Message: 75713 From: afjeff_56 Date: 1/19/2015
              Subject: Frank R. Titman, 93 - Obituary

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Titman, Frank R.Frank R. Titman, 93, of Allentown, passed away Thursday, January 15, 2015 at Muhlenberg Hospital. He was the husband of Laura E. (Schwab) Titman and the late Florence (Stocker) Titman. Born in Allentown, he was a son of the late Walter and Grace Titman. He was a welder at Mack Trucks for 38 years before retiring in 1976. Frank was the editor of the S Gauge Herald, a member of The Lehigh Valley Model Railroaders and owner of Lehigh Valley Models, 'S' scale kits of rolling stock and buildings. He was featured in the neighbors section of the Morning Call Newspaper on January, 13, 2000. He served with the Seabees during WWII, was stationed in the Aleutian Islands and saw service on Iwo Jima. Survivors: son, Jeff of Palmerton, PA; step-son, Thomas Schwab of Allentown, PA; step-daughters, Donna wife of Frank Schiavone of Coplay, PA; Linda wife of Dennis Moroz of Grand Rapids, MI; Kathy wife of Joseph Marrah of Sommerville, S.C.; grandson Austin R, Titman; a sister, Pearl Treisbach predeceased him. Services: 7:00 p.m. Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at TREXLER FUNERAL HOME 1625 Highland St., Allentown. A calling hour will begin at 6:00 p.m. www.trexlerfuneralhome.com Contributions: 

              Alzheimer's Association http://www.alz.org/join_the_cause_donate.asp National Office 225 N. Michigan Ave., Fl. 17 Chicago, IL 60601-7633 - See more at: Frank R. Titman's Obituary on Morning Call

               

              Group: S-Trains Message: 75714 From: Greg Phillips Date: 1/19/2015
              Subject: Question from a newbie

              Hello Group,

               

              I may not be your typical seeker of Am. Flyer information.  I’m a retire astronomy teacher/ planetarium director who now has more time to play with his trains.  I used to be an HO train guy, with some Marx O-27.  Now, I’m mainly a Marx guy who is thinning his HO collection to make room for more Marx.  I’ve ran across on the Marx groups about some Flyer being about the same scale/size, etc.  I have two Am. Flyer locos and would like to put together the proper train consist to run with each.

               

              Can anyone shed some light for me on ‘the years in which’ certain American Flyer color schemes for boxes where being used?   For example when did the traditional blue and yellow change to the red, white and blue colors?  Or was there another color box in between those?

               

              I’m mainly a Marx Train guy, but have the interest to eventually locate a place to run my Am. Flyer trains on their own tracks somewhere on my future Marx layout. Am currently in the process of  finishing off the basement here in the new house.  I’m only interested in gaining sufficient knowledge to get my two trains running and looking in ‘proper order’.  I do not see myself becoming an Am. Flyer addict at this time, but one never knows.

               

              I have a 302 Atlantic for Reading Lines with a metal tender with link coupler.  A few years ago someone gave me a few Flyer cars with link couplers on them.  I have no way of knowing if they are even the correct cars to go with my 302.  Have done some googling and found pics of 302 sets, but only one or two of my cars match what I see.   But I have no way of telling if what I see in the pics are actual ‘factory sets’ by car name and type. Or were they formed by someone just throwing cars together at random?

               

              I also have a 283 Pacific for Chicago Northwestern with a plastic tender with knuckle coupler with no cars at this time.  Because of the plastic tender shell, I’m assuming that the 283 is a bit newer than the 302 loco.  Are the knuckle couplers indicative of newer Flyer trains?   If so, when did that change occur?   Someone just told me that knuckle couplers indicate a more expensive set?  Never heard that one before.   

               

              As I search for items at hobby shops, train meets or on the internet, how do I tell the difference between the new Flyer produced by Lionel from the older stuff when no boxes or paper work is present?  Obviously, looking for the name Lionel on the bottom would eliminate the latest pieces, but there must be other ways.

               

              So many questions!  Any help would be appreciated.  But I’m not really interest, at this point, in running out and buying up a bunch of Flyer books, etc. as I have done with the Marx brand.

               

              I like the way my Flyer pieces look more like real trains than some of the other trains I have.

               

              To quote Lou Palumbo,  “I never met a train that I did not like!”

               

              Looking forward to interacting a little bit with the group.

               

              Sincerely,

               

              Greg Phillips

              Lititz, PA

               

               

               

               

              Group: S-Trains Message: 75715 From: James Lyle Date: 1/19/2015
              Subject: A/F & MARX
              Greg
              A week ago you could have visited with PVMR in Paradise. We are now packed and moving into storage
              For several months.
              Couplers---link carried over from WWII, all be it smaller in the late 40's--early50's. First knuckles were on a few sets in 1953.
              Box color change over started in 1957 with change to 5 digit number system, which took several yrs. 5 digit system was a shot at inventory control, way too late as it happened. Yellow & blue gave way to red & white. 3 digit cars were found in 5 digit boxes for several yrs
              Call Jan Athey, TCA's Librarian and Fantastic source of info on such things. She oversees the collector books on Flyer by Greenberg/Joe Deger and others. 717-687-8623. 300 Paradise Lane, north of Red Caboose Motel.
              Lots of help in Lancaster Co.
              Jim Lyle, Director, Keystone Div, TCA
              Sent from my iPhone
              Group: S-Trains Message: 75716 From: James Lyle Date: 1/20/2015
              Subject: Re: A/F & MARX
              The flyer layout is Bob Boards' "All Aboard Railroad" on Landis Valley Rd, just off of Rt 23 in Eden. Now closed, will be open from Thanksgiving to New Years.
              Retail store is open 9 til noon & 1 til 5.


              Sent from my iPhone


              > On Jan 20, 2015, at 7:39 AM, Greg Phillips <wnbrr@...> wrote:
              >
              > 1953.
              Group: S-Trains Message: 75717 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/20/2015
              Subject: Re: Question from a newbie

              According to my Set Searcher software, there were 10 sets that were sold with the 302 Atlantic. Three were passenger sets, and 7 were freight sets.

              Is your 302 diecast metal, or plastic?

               

              The 283 was even  more widely used, in 3 passenger sets, and at least 22 different freight sets!

               

              I can supply set consists if desired.

               

              Not hard and fast, but in general, blue boxes with yellow print were used for link coupler production cars, 1946-1953……yellow boxes with blue print for knuckle coupler cars starting around 1953 ……and red & white boxes for late 3-digit KC cars, and 5-digit cars, starting around 1958.

               

              Doug Peck
              Port Lines Hobby Supply
              6 Storeybrooke Drive
              Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
              doug@...
              www.portlines.com
              Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only.
              978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
              1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
              VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

               

              Group: S-Trains Message: 75718 From: wyoaf Date: 1/20/2015
              Subject: Re: Question from a newbie
              Greg:   It was an epiphany for me, years ago, to learn that most American Flyer S Gauge engines were Pre-war 3 rail O Gauge engines re- engineered to   run on 2 rail 7/8" track that Gilbert called "S" Gauge.  Both the O and S versions were 3/16 scale, which matches the Marx 3/16 scale rolling stock.  By the numbers on your engines, you have AF S Gauge 2-rail, and the the proportioning scale is the same, they can't be made to work on 3 rail O Gauge.  But the good news is you now have reason and authorization from this group to start acquiring pre-war American Flyer O Gauge, in 3/16 scale.  The couplers won't mate with Marx but toy-trainers are a resourceful lot and work- a-rounds can be devised.  My advice is to look on line at the 1939, 1940, and 1941 American Flyer Catalogs and you will see the 3/16 scale trains, as well as some of the carry over Chicago Flyer tinplate.  I believe that the AF style 290, 282, and diesels were new S Gauge tooling, and the rest of the steamers (Atlantic, K-5,Hudson, and Northern) were O gauge conversions to S.  In my opinion, that's why this is such a great hobby.  Ther is a whole "new" (actually, old) world of products to acquaint yourself with.  Good luck.  John Davis Noblesville IN
              Group: S-Trains Message: 75719 From: Mike Leahy Date: 1/20/2015
              Subject: Train Table for Sale

              I have a large train table that is approximately 18 feet long, and in the shape of a backward letter J.   Therefore it is longer than 18 feet due to the letter “J” configuration.  I have taken the table down in sections so it could be transported with a pick-up truck.  Table was made by an industrial arts teacher using plywood, homosote (sound deadening) & 2x2s for legs.  If you live in the Rocky Mountain region, and have an interest in having a lay-out, this is for you.  Asking $145.00 for the table.

               

              Mike Leahy

              Boulder, CO

              Group: S-Trains Message: 75720 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 1/20/2015
              Subject: Re: Question from a newbie

              I too as a “yout” was amazed to find American Flyer 3/16” trains running on the obviously wrong “Lionel” three rail toy track.  A guy that lived across from the Carnegie Library in Brookfield, ILL where I grew up had a basement full of them.

              John is right about the bulk of the S gauge line being offered prewar as O….. including the “Royal Blue” and the 0-8-0.   The New Haven and C&NW 4-6-2s were the only immediate postwar engines that were strictly S gauge.

              Charlie Vlk

              Greg:   It was an epiphany for me, years ago, to learn that most American Flyer S Gauge engines were Pre-war 3 rail O Gauge engines re- engineered to   run on 2 rail 7/8" track that Gilbert called "S" Gauge.  Both the O and S versions were 3/16 scale, which matches the Marx 3/16 scale rolling stock.  By the numbers on your engines, you have AF S Gauge 2-rail, and the the proportioning scale is the same, they can't be made to work on 3 rail O Gauge.  But the good news is you now have reason and authorization from this group to start acquiring pre-war American Flyer O Gauge, in 3/16 scale.  The couplers won't mate with Marx but toy-trainers are a resourceful lot and work- a-rounds can be devised.  My advice is to look on line at the 1939, 1940, and 1941 American Flyer Catalogs and you will see the 3/16 scale trains, as well as some of the carry over Chicago Flyer tinplate.  I believe that the AF style 290, 282, and diesels were new S Gauge tooling, and the rest of the steamers (Atlantic, K-5,Hudson, and Northern) were O gauge conversions to S.  In my opinion, that's why this is such a great hobby.  Ther is a whole "new" (actually, old) world of products to acquaint yourself with.  Good luck.  John Davis Noblesville IN

              Group: S-Trains Message: 75721 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 1/20/2015
              Subject: For sale: NIB Flyonel 48493 NASG SP TTUX unit
              New in the original box, never run. The TM Guide lists it at $90 and Greenberg at $75. Make offer.


              If you're not familiar with what this car looks like, it is shown on the following page of my website:


              <thegilbertgallery.org/Freight%20Gallery/flatcars5.html>


              Bob Graves
              TheGilbertGallery.org
              Group: S-Trains Message: 75722 From: Dale Smith Date: 1/20/2015
              Subject: Re: Question from a newbie
              3/16 Flyer is a natural to mix with Marx.  AF O was a 40 inch diameter, so I am not sure if it would run OK on true 027 curves.  If you are ever in Northern California near Sacramento, you should stop in at Picket Fence Antiques in Colusa.  The owner has an AF 3/16 O gauge layout set up and has just about every prewar Gilbert Flyer engine made.  He told me he prefers the more colorful Marx freight cars and has a great collection of them to run with his Flyer.  When I was there I took a few pictures which you can see at this link.   http://www.dfsonline.org/americanflyerogauge/

              Dale Smith
              On 1/20/2015 9:40 AM, 'Charlie Vlk' cvlk@... [S-Trains] wrote:
               

              I too as a “yout” was amazed to find American Flyer 3/16” trains running on the obviously wrong “Lionel” three rail toy track.  A guy that lived across from the Carnegie Library in Brookfield, ILL where I grew up had a basement full of them.

              John is right about the bulk of the S gauge line being offered prewar as O….. including the “Royal Blue” and the 0-8-0.   The New Haven and C&NW 4-6-2s were the only immediate postwar engines that were strictly S gauge.

              Charlie Vlk

              Greg:   It was an epiphany for me, years ago, to learn that most American Flyer S Gauge engines were Pre-war 3 rail O Gauge engines re- engineered to   run on 2 rail 7/8" track that Gilbert called "S" Gauge.  Both the O and S versions were 3/16 scale, which matches the Marx 3/16 scale rolling stock.  By the numbers on your engines, you have AF S Gauge 2-rail, and the the proportioning scale is the same, they can't be made to work on 3 rail O Gauge.  But the good news is you now have reason and authorization from this group to start acquiring pre-war American Flyer O Gauge, in 3/16 scale.  The couplers won't mate with Marx but toy-trainers are a resourceful lot and work- a-rounds can be devised.  My advice is to look on line at the 1939, 1940, and 1941 American Flyer Catalogs and you will see the 3/16 scale trains, as well as some of the carry over Chicago Flyer tinplate.  I believe that the AF style 290, 282, and diesels were new S Gauge tooling, and the rest of the steamers (Atlantic, K-5,Hudson, and Northern) were O gauge conversions to S.  In my opinion, that's why this is such a great hobby.  Ther is a whole "new" (actually, old) world of products to acquaint yourself with.  Good luck.  John Davis Noblesville IN


              Group: S-Trains Message: 75723 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 1/20/2015
              Subject: Re: Question from a newbie
              Group:

              I am the owner of Picket Fence Antiques, and we certainly appreciate the plug! Visitors are always welcome.

               I have done quite a bit more on the layout, which was basically "C" shaped in the referenced photos. I have now added the proposed freight yard and turntable (plus roundhouse site) in the center area, making the whole into an "E" configuration. 

              I run prewar 3/16 AF locos and passenger cars, including the diecast heavyweights, but use Marx for freights, due to their infinitely more detailed graphics. Easiest way to handle coupler issues is to have two tenders for each (Pacific) loco. Marx couplers don't work on the Atlantic, or 0-8-0, which use the tender trucks for power. Am working on grafting the Marx base to the diecast Hudson/Northern trucks, but don't yet have any in operation. 

              I have, however, successfully (and non-invasively!) modified AF electric uncouplers to handle either type of coupler interchangeably.

              Dick Hosmer


              On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:19 AM, Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] wrote:



              3/16 Flyer is a natural to mix with Marx.  AF O was a 40 inch diameter, so I am not sure if it would run OK on true 027 curves.  If you are ever in Northern California near Sacramento, you should stop in at Picket Fence Antiques in Colusa.  The owner has an AF 3/16 O gauge layout set up and has just about every prewar Gilbert Flyer engine made.  He told me he prefers the more colorful Marx freight cars and has a great collection of them to run with his Flyer.  When I was there I took a few pictures which you can see at this link.   http://www.dfsonline.org/americanflyerogauge/

              Dale Smith
              On 1/20/2015 9:40 AM, 'Charlie Vlk' cvlk@... [S-Trains] wrote:

              I too as a “yout” was amazed to find American Flyer 3/16” trains running on the obviously wrong “Lionel” three rail toy track.  A guy that lived across from the Carnegie Library in Brookfield, ILL where I grew up had a basement full of them.

              John is right about the bulk of the S gauge line being offered prewar as O….. including the “Royal Blue” and the 0-8-0.   The New Haven and C&NW 4-6-2s were the only immediate postwar engines that were strictly S gauge.

              Charlie Vlk

              Greg:   It was an epiphany for me, years ago, to learn that most American Flyer S Gauge engines were Pre-war 3 rail O Gauge engines re- engineered to   run on 2 rail 7/8" track that Gilbert called "S" Gauge.  Both the O and S versions were 3/16 scale, which matches the Marx 3/16 scale rolling stock.  By the numbers on your engines, you have AF S Gauge 2-rail, and the the proportioning scale is the same, they can't be made to work on 3 rail O Gauge.  But the good news is you now have reason and authorization from this group to start acquiring pre-war American Flyer O Gauge, in 3/16 scale.  The couplers won't mate with Marx but toy-trainers are a resourceful lot and work- a-rounds can be devised.  My advice is to look on line at the 1939, 1940, and 1941 American Flyer Catalogs and you will see the 3/16 scale trains, as well as some of the carry over Chicago Flyer tinplate.  I believe that the AF style 290, 282, and diesels were new S Gauge tooling, and the rest of the steamers (Atlantic, K-5,Hudson, and Northern) were O gauge conversions to S.  In my opinion, that's why this is such a great hobby.  Ther is a whole "new" (actually, old) world of products to acquaint yourself with.  Good luck.  John Davis Noblesville IN





              Group: S-Trains Message: 75724 From: alan Date: 1/20/2015
              Subject: Re: Question from a newbie
              Gents,
               
              For what it's worth. --- This is my fix to solve the problem with the sintered iron sides falling off and the link with the split rivet. 

              U can change the trucks on your old link Or Marx --- so to have knuckle --- Hi Rail .    This way you have not modified your original trucks should you ever wish to go back to the originals. 

              The old journal covers fit the new truck the same way as Flyer.   Remove from the link and install on this truck - see the fully dressed gondola in the back ground.  NOTE:  the coupler attaches with a screw to make it a clean looking truck. 

              Happy S gauging
              Hamilton Al




              On Jan 20, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Richard Hosmer richardahosmer@... [S-Trains] wrote:

               

              Group:


              I am the owner of Picket Fence Antiques, and we certainly appreciate the plug! Visitors are always welcome.

               I have done quite a bit more on the layout, which was basically "C" shaped in the referenced photos. I have now added the proposed freight yard and turntable (plus roundhouse site) in the center area, making the whole into an "E" configuration. 

              I run prewar 3/16 AF locos and passenger cars, including the diecast heavyweights, but use Marx for freights, due to their infinitely more detailed graphics. Easiest way to handle coupler issues is to have two tenders for each (Pacific) loco. Marx couplers don't work on the Atlantic, or 0-8-0, which use the tender trucks for power. Am working on grafting the Marx base to the diecast Hudson/Northern trucks, but don't yet have any in operation. 

              I have, however, successfully (and non-invasively!) modified AF electric uncouplers to handle either type of coupler interchangeably.

              Dick Hosmer


              On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:19 AM, Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] wrote:



              3/16 Flyer is a natural to mix with Marx.  AF O was a 40 inch diameter, so I am not sure if it would run OK on true 027 curves.  If you are ever in Northern California near Sacramento, you should stop in at Picket Fence Antiques in Colusa.  The owner has an AF 3/16 O gauge layout set up and has just about every prewar Gilbert Flyer engine made.  He told me he prefers the more colorful Marx freight cars and has a great collection of them to run with his Flyer.  When I was there I took a few pictures which you can see at this link.   http://www.dfsonline.org/americanflyerogauge/

              Dale Smith
              On 1/20/2015 9:40 AM, 'Charlie Vlk' cvlk@... [S-Trains] wrote:

              I too as a “yout” was amazed to find American Flyer 3/16” trains running on the obviously wrong “Lionel” three rail toy track.  A guy that lived across from the Carnegie Library in Brookfield, ILL where I grew up had a basement full of them.

              John is right about the bulk of the S gauge line being offered prewar as O….. including the “Royal Blue” and the 0-8-0.   The New Haven and C&NW 4-6-2s were the only immediate postwar engines that were strictly S gauge.

              Charlie Vlk

              Greg:   It was an epiphany for me, years ago, to learn that most American Flyer S Gauge engines were Pre-war 3 rail O Gauge engines re- engineered to   run on 2 rail 7/8" track that Gilbert called "S" Gauge.  Both the O and S versions were 3/16 scale, which matches the Marx 3/16 scale rolling stock.  By the numbers on your engines, you have AF S Gauge 2-rail, and the the proportioning scale is the same, they can't be made to work on 3 rail O Gauge.  But the good news is you now have reason and authorization from this group to start acquiring pre-war American Flyer O Gauge, in 3/16 scale.  The couplers won't mate with Marx but toy-trainers are a resourceful lot and work- a-rounds can be devised.  My advice is to look on line at the 1939, 1940, and 1941 American Flyer Catalogs and you will see the 3/16 scale trains, as well as some of the carry over Chicago Flyer tinplate.  I believe that the AF style 290, 282, and diesels were new S Gauge tooling, and the rest of the steamers (Atlantic, K-5,Hudson, and Northern) were O gauge conversions to S.  In my opinion, that's why this is such a great hobby.  Ther is a whole "new" (actually, old) world of products to acquaint yourself with.  Good luck.  John Davis Noblesville IN







              Group: S-Trains Message: 75725 From: Richard Reichard Date: 1/21/2015
              Subject: Snow Throwing Off of Railroad Tracks
              Now, this is what I would call 'shoveling snow with the force of a diesel engine. 
              Group: S-Trains Message: 75726 From: rogermeekhof Date: 1/23/2015
              Subject: AM D&H Alco PAs

              Some years back American Models produced Alco PA s in D & H road names in very limed quantity.

              I am looking to purchase a A Unit if anyone has one out there. The new Lionel Units just don't excite

              me with their  old Gilbert shells.


              Thanks 


              Roger Meekhof 

              rwmres@...

              Group: S-Trains Message: 75727 From: alhbaker Date: 1/23/2015
              Subject: American Models FA-2 Diesel motor growl

              I have an A-B set of American Models FA-2 Diesels (both powered).   When loaded with about ten coaches, the A unit sometimes has a motor growling sound.  It comes and goes, and happens from medium to higher speeds.   Any ideas how to fix that?   It is only the A-unit, and doesn't do it with out cars, and another A-B-A set which I have don't do it at all.. 


              What should I use to lube the plastic universal joints?


              Thanks in advance.

              Al Baker

              Portland, OR

              Group: S-Trains Message: 75728 From: Robert Lampe Date: 1/23/2015
              Subject: Re: American Models FA-2 Diesel motor growl
              Sounds like a gear problem. Check the gears to make sure there are no burrs and in addition check the gear mesh and if all checks OK lube with a quality lubricant and reassemble.
                                                              Bob Lampe
                                                           Kalispell,MT
                                                                                                                           


              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 17:58:43 -0800
              Subject: [S-Trains] American Models FA-2 Diesel motor growl

               

              I have an A-B set of American Models FA-2 Diesels (both powered).   When loaded with about ten coaches, the A unit sometimes has a motor growling sound.  It comes and goes, and happens from medium to higher speeds.   Any ideas how to fix that?   It is only the A-unit, and doesn't do it with out cars, and another A-B-A set which I have don't do it at all.. 


              What should I use to lube the plastic universal joints?


              Thanks in advance.
              Al Baker
              Portland, OR

              Group: S-Trains Message: 75729 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/24/2015
              Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 26 January 2015
              Attachments :
                "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                When
                Monday, 26 January 2015
                01:00 AM to 07:30 AM
                (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
                Where
                http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                Notes
                SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                Group: S-Trains Message: 75730 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/25/2015
                Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 26 January 2015
                Attachments :
                  "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                  When
                  Monday, 26 January 2015
                  01:00 AM to 07:30 AM
                  (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
                  Where
                  http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                  Notes
                  SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75731 From: Greg Phillips Date: 1/26/2015
                  Subject: Re: Question from a newbie

                  Hello S-Trains Groups,

                  A big “Thank you” for all of the great responses to aid my quest in learning about Am. Flyers basics.  I appreciate the time you gave to respond.

                  I’m now well own my way to a better understanding of S-gauge!

                  Greg

                   

                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 7:16 PM
                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [S-Trains] Question from a newbie

                   

                   

                  Hello Group,

                   

                  I may not be your typical seeker of Am. Flyer information.  I’m a retire astronomy teacher/ planetarium director who now has more time to play with his trains.  I used to be an HO train guy, with some Marx O-27.  Now, I’m mainly a Marx guy who is thinning his HO collection to make room for more Marx.  I’ve ran across on the Marx groups about some Flyer being about the same scale/size, etc.  I have two Am. Flyer locos and would like to put together the proper train consist to run with each.

                   

                  Can anyone shed some light for me on ‘the years in which’ certain American Flyer color schemes for boxes where being used?   For example when did the traditional blue and yellow change to the red, white and blue colors?  Or was there another color box in between those? 

                  Sincerely,

                   Greg Phillips

                  Lititz, PA

                   

                   

                   

                   

                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75732 From: Bill Lane Date: 1/26/2015
                  Subject: 1993 NASG convention cars

                  This is a listing for 1 of the 1993 PRR NASG convention cars. http://www.ebay.com/itm/151559212465 This seller has all 6 numbers. Ironically they were originally sold to Lionel owner Richard Kuhn. I have seen them sell on eBay once before.

                   

                  Have at it. Highly collectable – twice!

                   

                  Thank You,
                  Bill Lane

                  Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

                  See my finished models at:
                  http://www.lanestrains.com
                  Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                   

                  See my layout progress at:

                  http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

                  Custom Train Parts Design & 3D Printing
                  http://www.3dmodeltech.com

                  PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                  (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                  http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                  ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                  The other members are not ALL like me!
                  http://www.prrths.com
                  http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

                  Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                  It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
                  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

                   

                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75733 From: alhbaker Date: 1/27/2015
                  Subject: Re: American Models FA-2 Diesel motor growl - new info

                  Thanks Bob for your idea.  The gears appear good to me, and I lubed everything.  No luck.


                  But I have learned some things:  It only does it on curves, and it never does it if I take off the plastic shell.  It is like something is vibrating against the shell, but I can not find anything.  Wires are tied so they don't flop.  Everything has good clearance even in curves.   Everything is snug that should be.  With the shell off, it all appears to run great.


                  Frustrated in Portland,

                  Al Baker

                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75734 From: poniaj Date: 1/27/2015
                  Subject: Re: American Models FA-2 Diesel motor growl - new info
                  Al,

                  The shells, being plastic, act as an amplifier for any sounds coming from the inside.  It may be that the universals are not seated correctly.  Check for clearance on tight curves by observing how much free play is in them upon full turns.  Did the unit always make this noise?  There may be a burr developed in the joint, or perhaps a cup that's unseated from its location.  Check for wear in the slots in the cups or on the ball of the joint. 


                  Good luck
                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75735 From: alhbaker Date: 1/27/2015
                  Subject: Re: American Models FA-2 Diesel motor growl - fixed !!

                  The problem is solved, and fixed!!  You may want to read in case you encounter a similar one.   But first, thank you to all that replied with ideas to help.  I appreciate it.  And by the way, I had neglected to mention that I had just bought these locomotives (A-B) used at a train show, so I had no previous history.


                  I decided to call American Models to see if I could get any help.  But first, I ran it with the shell off, and listened very carefully.   I detected the noise, very, very faintly with that shell off. I could just barely hear it.  When talking to AM (not sure which guy it was), he immediately said to check to make sure the motor was perfectly aligned and that the drive rods had a very small amount of play in them. 


                  So in checking mine, I noticed the motor was aligned ok, but one of the two drive rods was snug - no play.  So I pulled the one universal cup apart, very slightly giving it a tiny bit of play.   Put it on the track with shell on, and bravo!  the problem was instantly gone! 


                  Amazing, the amplification by the shell was tremendous, because with that shell on, the noise was quite loud.


                  Again, thanks to all that tried to help.

                  Al Baker

                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75736 From: ejenterp@pacbell.net Date: 1/28/2015
                  Subject: Train inventory For sale

                  I have decided to offer my remaining inventories of SHS, AM, and Des Plains at discounted prices from retail. 

                  For inventory lists, please contact me OFF LIST ONLY at:  

                          hjsheff@...  

                   Included is a set of ATSF F3s with new DCC boards and set up for scale.  If you have a new for Tsunami I have several at discounted prices also.

                  Howard' S Trains


                    This has been posted for Howard by Ed Eckert. Reply to Howard, not me.

                  Ed Eckert

                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75737 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 1/29/2015
                  Subject: Re: Train inventory For sale
                  please send your list and price  thanks pete
                   
                   
                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: ejenterp@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                  To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Wed, Jan 28, 2015 3:04 pm
                  Subject: [S-Trains] Train inventory For sale

                   
                  I have decided to offer my remaining inventories of SHS, AM, and Des Plains at discounted prices from retail. 
                  For inventory lists, please contact me OFF LIST ONLY at:  
                          hjsheff@...  
                   Included is a set of ATSF F3s with new DCC boards and set up for scale.  If you have a new for Tsunami I have several at discounted prices also.
                  Howard' S Trains

                    This has been posted for Howard by Ed Eckert. Reply to Howard, not me.
                  Ed Eckert
                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75738 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 1/29/2015
                  Subject: Defective AF sideframes

                  Well, it finally happened to me...  I purchased a "New"-in-the-box AF coal dump car on ebay.  When I opened the box, all looked fine, but when I unwrapped the car itself, three of the sideframes were completely  off and, of course, the wheel/axle sets were loose as well.  I have read on here that some have you have experienced this before and I remembered your posts.  I have contacted the seller and hope to come to some amicable agreement, but I do feel for him as he may not have known about any defect if he never opened the box he purchased as "new" and then re-sold.  My question for the group is, what kind of glue did you use to reattach your sideframes and has that glue held with no problems?  


                  Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

                  Jim E.

                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75739 From: richs009 Date: 1/30/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                  Jim - it has happened to me a couple of times.  I also contacted one of the sellers on ebay (the first time it happened to me, as I recall) and the seller offered to buy the car back.  Since I got a pretty good price on the car and that it seemed pretty clear the seller had sold it to me in good faith, I thanked him for his offer and said I'd fix it.  In the cases where it happened to me, I think the clear plastic 'bubble' the car sits in is too tight when it is closed up and inserted in the box.  So there is enough pressure on the side frames that some break.  They aren't all that well engineered to resist the pressure pushing 'inward'.

                  On the other hand, they aren't hard to fix - though if you have a truck with the electrical pickup spring metal contacts that ride on the axle, it adds some extra excitement... one of those times it would be nice to have three hands.

                  I claim no originality for this - it got it straight from one of the contributors to this forum...  I use one of the JB Weld two-part expoxies - in this case, something called JB Kwik.  It has a pot life of around 4 minutes, according to the label, but in my experience, its sets up faster than that.  It has the advantage of being a dark grey, so it matches the truck color pretty well.  The glue line is on the back of the side frame, so it won't show from the 'front'.  I didn't try to hide the fact that these were glued back together, so someone picking the car up and looking at the trucks from the underside will see the glue line...  There's a fair amount of contact area between the side frame and the rest of the truck, so the bond should be pretty strong - mine haven't come apart - at least last time I looked!

                  I gather you had both side frames come off one truck - my advice would be to glue up one side first and let it cure before tackling the other.  You will note that there are, in addition to the two wheel/axle sets, four plastic bushing inserts in which the ends of the axles ride.  So in addition to making sure the electrical contact is rubbing along the top of the axle (top meaning when the car is right side up), you have to make sure the bushings all stay in their slots in the sideframes - along with the wheels/axles - during assembly.  I'd do a dry fit just to make sure you know the steps and what to expect.  Given that one isn't squeezing out a lot of the epoxy, I may have put in slightly more hardener, which could account for the faster-than-advertised set up time.  In fact, the last time I did this I used our digital kitchen scale to measure out the epoxy and hardener (its one to one) rather than try to match the length of the squeeze-out.

                  good luck
                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75740 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/30/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes

                  I don’t think you’ll find gluing them to be durable, especially with the vibration that occurs with operating those cars.

                  If you’re going to attempt it at all, I’d use JB WELD.

                  We remove both trucks, and replace them with Gilbert trucks instead, and we have a complete “kit” to do so.

                   

                  Doug Peck
                  Port Lines Hobby Supply
                  6 Storeybrooke Drive
                  Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                  doug@...
                  www.portlines.com
                  Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only.
                  978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
                  1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
                  VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

                   

                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75741 From: race944t Date: 1/30/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                  I hope someone has come up with a solution.  Almost all of Fred Jester's side dump cars had one or more broken trucks. Lionel keeps saying they will have replacement trucks but Joe Haenn, an authorized Lionel repair shop has not been able to get them.  I am going to try some Sinbad glue with accelerator when I gat a chance.  I hope someone has had success.

                  "Banker" Bill Clark
                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75742 From: Gerry Siegel Date: 1/30/2015
                  Subject: Defective AF sideframes
                  Jim,
                  You might want to look into an adhesive called "cyanopoxy". It is available from several suppliers, "Sinbad" for one. I have some success with it in situations such as the one you describe.
                  Gerry Siegel
                  Mountville Pa
                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75743 From: Ron Inscho Date: 1/30/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                  
                  Doug is right, the only real fix is to replace the trucks , look at them closely and you will see that it is not just a bad design but a totaly bad batch of metal , as it will just fall apart, Lionel has known about this for at least 10 years and yet they still use this truck ? That's why I won't buy any cars using this truck :(
                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75744 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/30/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes

                  I am of the opinion, that since each of us know that the possibility exist that there could be a bad set of trucks in an unopened MIB car, if we buy it, it is not the sellers problem, as he has no more knowledge about the bad truck than you do. I mean who is the real victim if you knew of the potential, and the seller might not have?


                  I think it is part of why prices have dropped so much on Flyonel cars.


                  So what would the group suggest, should a seller open all Flyonel cars and inspect for the bad trucks?


                  Is a car now worth more since it has been opened and inspected, and verified to not have bad trucks?


                  All interesting questions from my perspective....




                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75745 From: snstrains Date: 1/30/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                  I have a few pair of S-Helper freight trucks that one could use to replace the flaky Lionel ones.
                   
                  Steve Blackburn
                  Boise, Idaho
                   
                  In a message dated 1/30/2015 7:23:49 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                   

                  I hope someone has come up with a solution.  Almost all of Fred Jester's side dump cars had one or more broken trucks. Lionel keeps saying they will have replacement trucks but Joe Haenn, an authorized Lionel repair shop has not been able to get them.  I am going to try some Sinbad glue with accelerator when I gat a chance.  I hope someone has had success.

                  "Banker" Bill Clark

                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75746 From: alan Date: 1/30/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                   Guys

                  That's why I designed the Ficus Hi-Rail replacement - I was tried of fixing the sintered iron.   These will be around forever - without failure guaranteed. 
                  They are not a fancy as scale but bullet proof. There is no worry about grand kids wrecking them.

                   Hamilton Alan

                  On Jan 30, 2015, at 11:48 AM, 'Ron Inscho' roninscho@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                   

                  

                  Doug is right, the only real fix is to replace the trucks , look at them closely and you will see that it is not just a bad design but a totaly bad batch of metal , as it will just fall apart, Lionel has known about this for at least 10 years and yet they still use this truck ? That's why I won't buy any cars using this truck :(


                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75747 From: aftrains4u Date: 1/30/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes

                  What is the AF # for the coal car?  I don't want to make the mistake of buying one that has the defective side trucks.


                  Bob

                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75748 From: Mark Kiner Date: 1/30/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                  There are several of them, and they are listed on the Lionel web site.

                  I just looked at 4 dumper cars and 2 log loaders. Out of all of them there was one with broken trucks. (and only on one end) Interestingly enough the one with broken trucks had visible damage to the vacuum formed white pan than holds them, right in the area where the trucks would contact if the car was smashed in the box or the box was dropped hard.
                  none of the other vacuum pans were damaged, and this one was cracked severely enough that it  would have taken quite a hit to damage the pan as much as it was.

                  Lionel ships this in close fitting thin cardboard with no padding. When I sell these I plan to pad them well since I now know they are fine.

                  Also this car had no instructions in the box, and the little tabs on the side plates were nowhere in the box.

                  I conclude that whoever sold me this car knew it was broken when they sold it. There is no way those pieces could have escaped from a box that had been packed at the factory, unless it was broken when they put it in the box.

                  This is the only one I bought off of ebay. The others came direct from dealers.

                  Makes a person go hmmmmm.

                  Oh, my dump car numbers are:
                  6-49039
                  6-49035 (this was broken) funny this was the one I was going to keep
                  6-49025
                  6-49042

                  Mark
                  I

                  From: "aftrains4u@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 4:02 PM
                  Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Defective AF sideframes

                   
                  What is the AF # for the coal car?  I don't want to make the mistake of buying one that has the defective side trucks.

                  Bob


                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75749 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 1/30/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes

                  Mark, thanks for Information and #’s on the Lionel/AF dump cars  with the broken sideframes.  It is appreciated.  Take care.

                   

                  Bob

                   

                   

                   

                   

                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 4:44 PM
                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Defective AF sideframes

                   

                   

                  There are several of them, and they are listed on the Lionel web site.

                   

                  I just looked at 4 dumper cars and 2 log loaders. Out of all of them there was one with broken trucks. (and only on one end) Interestingly enough the one with broken trucks had visible damage to the vacuum formed white pan than holds them, right in the area where the trucks would contact if the car was smashed in the box or the box was dropped hard.

                  none of the other vacuum pans were damaged, and this one was cracked severely enough that it  would have taken quite a hit to damage the pan as much as it was.

                   

                  Lionel ships this in close fitting thin cardboard with no padding. When I sell these I plan to pad them well since I now know they are fine.

                   

                  Also this car had no instructions in the box, and the little tabs on the side plates were nowhere in the box.

                   

                  I conclude that whoever sold me this car knew it was broken when they sold it. There is no way those pieces could have escaped from a box that had been packed at the factory, unless it was broken when they put it in the box.

                   

                  This is the only one I bought off of ebay. The others came direct from dealers.

                   

                  Makes a person go hmmmmm.

                   

                  Oh, my dump car numbers are:

                  6-49039

                  6-49035 (this was broken) funny this was the one I was going to keep

                  6-49025

                  6-49042

                   

                  Mark

                  I

                   

                  From: "aftrains4u@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 4:02 PM
                  Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Defective AF sideframes

                   

                   

                  What is the AF # for the coal car?  I don't want to make the mistake of buying one that has the defective side trucks.

                   

                  Bob

                   




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                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75750 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 1/30/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                  Hello Friends,
                   
                  In what condition have those of you who have purchased and received new in the box, unopened MTH S gauge cars been finding them in terms of any damage?  Undamaged and unbroken I hope.
                   
                  I have some old S helper cars, some of which were unopened on purchase, but I have not yet had occasion to purchase an S gauge car from MTH.  My previous experience with MTH accessories, etc. has proven to be good.  None had any damage when new in the box.
                   
                  Just curious. 
                   
                  Cheers!
                   
                  Alan Bennett
                  Keizer, OR
                   
                  Go Seahawks!
                   
                   
                  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 2:44 PM
                  Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Defective AF sideframes
                   
                   

                  There are several of them, and they are listed on the Lionel web site.

                  I just looked at 4 dumper cars and 2 log loaders. Out of all of them there was one with broken trucks. (and only on one end) Interestingly enough the one with broken trucks had visible damage to the vacuum formed white pan than holds them, right in the area where the trucks would contact if the car was smashed in the box or the box was dropped hard.
                  none of the other vacuum pans were damaged, and this one was cracked severely enough that it  would have taken quite a hit to damage the pan as much as it was.

                  Lionel ships this in close fitting thin cardboard with no padding. When I sell these I plan to pad them well since I now know they are fine.

                  Also this car had no instructions in the box, and the little tabs on the side plates were nowhere in the box.

                  I conclude that whoever sold me this car knew it was broken when they sold it. There is no way those pieces could have escaped from a box that had been packed at the factory, unless it was broken when they put it in the box.

                  This is the only one I bought off of ebay. The others came direct from dealers.

                  Makes a person go hmmmmm.

                  Oh, my dump car numbers are:
                  6-49039
                  6-49035 (this was broken) funny this was the one I was going to keep
                  6-49025
                  6-49042

                  Mark
                  I

                  From: "aftrains4u@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 4:02 PM
                  Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Defective AF sideframes
                   
                   
                  What is the AF # for the coal car?  I don't want to make the mistake of buying one that has the defective side trucks.
                   
                  Bob


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                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75751 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/30/2015
                  Subject: Re: MTH New Car Condition
                  Top notch!

                  Bill
                  Bill Porter
                  The Acreage - Florida
                  On 1/30/2015 6:26 PM, 'Alan and Sherry Bennett' alansherry@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                  Hello Friends,
                   
                  In what condition have those of you who have purchased and received new in the box, unopened MTH S gauge cars been finding them in terms of any damage?  Undamaged and unbroken I hope.
                   
                  I have some old S helper cars, some of which were unopened on purchase, but I have not yet had occasion to purchase an S gauge car from MTH.  My previous experience with MTH accessories, etc. has proven to be good.  None had any damage when new in the box.
                   
                  Just curious. 
                   
                  Cheers!
                   
                  Alan Bennett
                  Keizer, OR


                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75752 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 1/30/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                  Also NYC 49033 has come with a broken truck; I’ve got one.
                   
                  Herb
                   
                  paflyrman
                   
                  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 6:26 PM
                  Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Defective AF sideframes
                   
                   

                  Hello Friends,
                   
                  In what condition have those of you who have purchased and received new in the box, unopened MTH S gauge cars been finding them in terms of any damage?  Undamaged and unbroken I hope.
                   
                  I have some old S helper cars, some of which were unopened on purchase, but I have not yet had occasion to purchase an S gauge car from MTH.  My previous experience with MTH accessories, etc. has proven to be good.  None had any damage when new in the box.
                   
                  Just curious. 
                   
                  Cheers!
                   
                  Alan Bennett
                  Keizer, OR
                   
                  Go Seahawks!
                   
                   
                  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 2:44 PM
                  Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Defective AF sideframes
                   
                   

                  There are several of them, and they are listed on the Lionel web site.

                  I just looked at 4 dumper cars and 2 log loaders. Out of all of them there was one with broken trucks. (and only on one end) Interestingly enough the one with broken trucks had visible damage to the vacuum formed white pan than holds them, right in the area where the trucks would contact if the car was smashed in the box or the box was dropped hard.
                  none of the other vacuum pans were damaged, and this one was cracked severely enough that it  would have taken quite a hit to damage the pan as much as it was.

                  Lionel ships this in close fitting thin cardboard with no padding. When I sell these I plan to pad them well since I now know they are fine.

                  Also this car had no instructions in the box, and the little tabs on the side plates were nowhere in the box.

                  I conclude that whoever sold me this car knew it was broken when they sold it. There is no way those pieces could have escaped from a box that had been packed at the factory, unless it was broken when they put it in the box.

                  This is the only one I bought off of ebay. The others came direct from dealers.

                  Makes a person go hmmmmm.

                  Oh, my dump car numbers are:
                  6-49039
                  6-49035 (this was broken) funny this was the one I was going to keep
                  6-49025
                  6-49042

                  Mark
                  I

                  From: "aftrains4u@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 4:02 PM
                  Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Defective AF sideframes
                   
                   
                  What is the AF # for the coal car?  I don't want to make the mistake of buying one that has the defective side trucks.
                   
                  Bob


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                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75753 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 1/30/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                  I agree that, in this particular case, the seller may not have known of the defects.  The box looks pristine - the flaps do not appear to have been opened.  That's why I approached the seller with the request for a partial reimbursement rather than a full refund or both of us spending more money on postage to send the thing back and forth.

                  Jim E.


                  From: "robbe_wan@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:15:18 PM
                  Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Defective AF sideframes

                   


                  I am of the opinion, that since each of us know that the possibility exist that there could be a bad set of trucks in an unopened MIB car, if we buy it, it is not the sellers problem, as he has no more knowledge about the bad truck than you do. I mean who is the real victim if you knew of the potential, and the seller might not have?


                  I think it is part of why prices have dropped so much on Flyonel cars.


                  So what would the group suggest, should a seller open all Flyonel cars and inspect for the bad trucks?


                  Is a car now worth more since it has been opened and inspected, and verified to not have bad trucks?


                  All interesting questions from my perspective....






                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75754 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 1/30/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                  All -

                  There is no apparent damage to any of the packaging, including the white plastic outline.  All the parts were there, all inside the wrapper that was around the car itself.

                  The number on my defective dump car is 6-49024.  I'm just going to try JB Weld on it, and if that doesn't work, I'll replace them with the Ficus or SHS designs.

                  Thank for all your help.
                  Jim E.


                  From: "aftrains4u@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 3:02:07 PM
                  Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Defective AF sideframes

                   


                  What is the AF # for the coal car?  I don't want to make the mistake of buying one that has the defective side trucks.


                  Bob



                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75755 From: James Lyle Date: 1/31/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                  Lionel management told me they were well aware that the trucks were a very poor design and prone to failure.  He then pointed out that Lionel owned thousands of those trucks and intended to use them all.
                  I have a Walking Brakeman car that might have been run on public display for eight hours before the trucks fell apart.  Lionel's position was that the car was " out of warranty ". NOT their problem.

                  Jim Lyle

                  Sent from my iPhone

                  On Jan 30, 2015, at 11:48 AM, 'Ron Inscho' roninscho@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                  
                  Doug is right, the only real fix is to replace the trucks , look at them closely and you will see that it is not just a bad design but a totaly bad batch of metal , as it will just fall apart, Lionel has known about this for at least 10 years and yet they still use this truck ? That's why I won't buy any cars using this truck :(
                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75756 From: Jim Eberhardy Date: 1/31/2015
                  Subject: Re: MTH New Car Condition

                  Out of 8 3 had steps loose in the packaging. Also I can not attach Kaydee couplers as they are to long for the pad.

                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75757 From: traindavid Date: 1/31/2015
                  Subject: Defective AF sideframes
                  I've noticed the latest trucks from Flyonel have screws holding the
                  sideframes to the stamped truck. I am assuming this is their "fix" for the
                  trucks--although using two screws per side has to slow down the production a
                  lot (plus the drilling). My other compliant for the sideframes is that they
                  are too tall, and look bulky compared to the ACG version--it's less
                  detailed, but IMHO, looks a lot better overall.
                  But even the early Flyonel trucks, which looked like ACG ones have problems
                  too. I once went to spread on on a C&O caboose to fix a bad wheelset, and
                  the stamped metal was so brittle, it broke, didn't bend even a little. I am
                  leery of working on any Flyonel trucks!
                  David D.
                  PS, It looks like the new couplers are opening farther than the previous
                  ones--but maybe I'm fooling myself??
                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75758 From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave Date: 1/31/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                  The new FICUS trucks are the answer. They are bullet proof ;o)

                   

                  From: "djdewey@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 11:11 PM
                  Subject: [S-Trains] Defective AF sideframes

                   
                  I've noticed the latest trucks from Flyonel have screws holding the
                  sideframes to the stamped truck. I am assuming this is their "fix" for the
                  trucks--although using two screws per side has to slow down the production a
                  lot (plus the drilling). My other compliant for the sideframes is that they
                  are too tall, and look bulky compared to the ACG version--it's less
                  detailed, but IMHO, looks a lot better overall.
                  But even the early Flyonel trucks, which looked like ACG ones have problems
                  too. I once went to spread on on a C&O caboose to fix a bad wheelset, and
                  the stamped metal was so brittle, it broke, didn't bend even a little. I am
                  leery of working on any Flyonel trucks!
                  David D.
                  PS, It looks like the new couplers are opening farther than the previous
                  ones--but maybe I'm fooling myself??



                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75759 From: richs009 Date: 1/31/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                  I guess I'd be surprised if a two-part epoxy like JB Weld failed - but the two or three cars I've fixed haven't seen a lot of running time either - so perhaps Doug Peck's caution is right.  One thing I forgot to mention earlier is to prep the glue surfaces with whatever your favorite degreaser is (acetone, lighter fluid, etc.) just to make sure the bond between the epoxy and metal surface is good.

                  In terms of the seller's responsibility, it sure seems to me that if 'new in the box' means anything, there is at least the implication that it means more than 'all the parts are included...'.  I fail to see why opening the box and checking that everything is intact means one can no longer say NIB...
                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75760 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/31/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes

                  Doug, the truck kits you have for the dump cars, how much are they?


                  I looked on the web site and didn't find them.


                  Mark

                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75761 From: tennsgauger Date: 1/31/2015
                  Subject: Re: MTH New Car Condition
                  I received two MTH Southern Railway PS2 covered hoppers in perfect condition. 
                   
                   - Earl Henry, Nashville
                   
                  In a message dated 1/30/2015 8:29:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                   

                  Top notch!

                  Bill
                  Bill Porter
                  The Acreage - Florida
                  On 1/30/2015 6:26 PM, 'Alan and Sherry Bennett' alansherry@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                  Hello Friends,
                   
                  In what condition have those of you who have purchased and received new in the box, unopened MTH S gauge cars been finding them in terms of any damage?  Undamaged and unbroken I hope.
                   
                  I have some old S helper cars, some of which were unopened on purchase, but I have not yet had occasion to purchase an S gauge car from MTH.  My previous experience with MTH accessories, etc. has proven to be good.  None had any damage when new in the box.
                   
                  Just curious. 
                   
                  Cheers!
                   
                  Alan Bennett
                  Keizer, OR


                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75762 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 1/31/2015
                  Subject: Texas Special Side frame. Coal Dump car sideframe

                  Over on the Face Book American Flyer Group Page and the S-Helper/American Models and Other S-Gauge /S-Scale groups, David Tyner shared how he repaired his American Flyer Dump car using J-B Weld. He runs it quite often on his layout with no problems as far as I understand. 

                   Also, I had a side frame on one of my Texas Special Passenger cars fall off. The pins that the side frames were attached to were not pinged over enough to hold the  side frames on. I super glued the side frame back on and then took a dab of JB weld over top of the not so well pinged post and then I put the JB weld on all the other side frame posts and have not had any problems since.

                   Let's face it, the Lionel Quality control has not been the greatest sometimes and it's easier to find a solution our selves and fix the problem than to wait for Lionel to come up with a solution.

                   BTW, there are a lot of folks on these other groups now and we mix and match well with the scale people too. All are welcome to come and join us. Lots of pictures and videos. Kind of an updated version of the Yahoo groups list. Thanks for letting me ramble. Chris Burger AKA cbtrainnut

                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75763 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/31/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes

                  After discovering my one defective dump car last night, I repaired my Southern Dump car using JB weld, and it seems to be pretty strong. I suspect it is stronger than the original attachment was.


                  I was surprised to see that the factory cuts off part of the mounting tab on the stamped truck to clear the contact arm for the action car, and they also break off the two tabs on the side frame to clear the contact arm.


                  So these action cars with the contact arm truck are a lot more fragile than the rest of the trucks. 


                  Someone on the group mentioned that the side frames themselves were fragile. I played with mine quite a bit and they seem pretty rugged, so I ground off the paint on the truck frame and the side frame in the contact area and spread the faster curing version of JB weld.


                  Time will tell.....


                  Mark

                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75764 From: Ron Inscho Date: 1/31/2015
                  Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                  
                  Dave I will not buy from you untill you send the stuff I bought & paid for over a year ago .
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 8:54 AM
                  Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Defective AF sideframes

                   

                  The new FICUS trucks are the answer. They are bullet proof ;o)

                   






                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75765 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/31/2015
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                    Group: S-Trains Message: 75766 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 1/31/2015
                    Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                    You're right, Mark.  Luckily, I noticed the vertical tab was present on one truck but not on the truck with the contact arm.  Also, two of my sideframes are all plastic, while two are some kind of metal.  Right or wrong, I put both metal sideframes (and both metal wheelsets) on the truck that had vertical tabs and put both plastic sideframes on the truck with the contact.   I tacked them in place with superglue and them reinforced with JB Weld.  Will see tomorrow if the adhesive is a success.

                    What a pain in the derriere for a "new" acquisition!  And to think I actually bought it so my grandsons would have another action car on my layout!  Little do they know...

                    Jim E.


                    From: "robbe_wan@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                    To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 3:08:26 PM
                    Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Defective AF sideframes

                     


                    After discovering my one defective dump car last night, I repaired my Southern Dump car using JB weld, and it seems to be pretty strong. I suspect it is stronger than the original attachment was.


                    I was surprised to see that the factory cuts off part of the mounting tab on the stamped truck to clear the contact arm for the action car, and they also break off the two tabs on the side frame to clear the contact arm.


                    So these action cars with the contact arm truck are a lot more fragile than the rest of the trucks. 


                    Someone on the group mentioned that the side frames themselves were fragile. I played with mine quite a bit and they seem pretty rugged, so I ground off the paint on the truck frame and the side frame in the contact area and spread the faster curing version of JB weld.


                    Time will tell.....


                    Mark



                    Group: S-Trains Message: 75767 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/31/2015
                    Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes

                    Observation:

                     

                    I have been a member of this group for a couple of years now, and defective Flyonel stock is a recurrent theme.  In fact for some members, bitching about Flyonel’s lack of quality control, poor design, and failing components seems to be more of a hobby than collecting or running their trains.  Going back in time we have had redundant descriptions of problems with sideframes, couplers, trucks, pickups, the BigBoy, … the list of prior problems goes on and on. 

                     

                    How many times do we need to read about yet another instance of the same defect?  The continual complaining, bitching, fault finding, whining, grumbling, criticizing, and kvetching about Flyonel has become tedious and accomplishes nothing.  Please STOP.  If you have something to say to help other members FIX a particular problem, that is great and by all means convey that information!  However, if you just want to bitch so you can let others know that you make poor choices (by buying a product from a manufacturer known to have problems), then please resist that urge and go play with your trains instead.

                     

                    Thanks for listening to MY complaint,

                     

                    Jerry F.   

                     

                     

                    Group: S-Trains Message: 75768 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/31/2015
                    Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes

                    I see that this recurring topic has returned and was interested to see that Lionel refuses to do anything of substance about it.  This same problem has been going on for many years and it appears that it will continue for many more.  But don't be surprised by Lionel's response, Bachmann Trains is doing the same thing in HO and On30.  The growing lack of quality in products made in China can no longer be overlooked either.


                    In the case of Bachmann, the problem is ongoing gear failure.  The plastic gears don't wear out, they split.  Bachmann locos come right out of the box with split gears or run a few hours, then fail.  Bachmann has had gear failure troubles for at least a dozen years to some degree or another and hasn't changed their design either!  They DID warrantee the locomotives if you sent the defective one in but sent you another one with the same problem.   Finally, they gave replacement gears to any customer with a sales slip that sent for them, but you got the same gears that originally came in the locomotives!  Several times Bachmann representatives and vendors have claimed the problem has been fixed, but new trains keep coming out with the same problem.


                    Bachmann's gear problem is so common that Northwest ShortLine (a parts and detail supplier in HO) makes a gear replacement kit for most Bachmann locomotives, particularly the Shay, Climax, and Heisler logging engines!  When a company tools up to make replacement metal gears, the problem with the original manufacturer has to be so bad that such an investment is worthwhile.


                    Failures of Flyonel truck sideframes and Bachmann drive gears have gone on so long without replacement or redesign that it's obvious these corporations don't give a damn as long as their crap sells.   My question is why is anyone buying their junk?  It's not as if the problems are unknown.   Of course collectors don't care if the stuff runs, and that is Flyonel's market focus anyway.


                    To my mind, to call this new stuff "American Flyer" is a disservice to the real AF trains and old A.C. himself, let alone a fleecing of customers.  Sorry if you disagree, I just call 'em as I see 'em.


                    Stumpy Stone in Ahia

                    Group: S-Trains Message: 75769 From: alan Date: 2/1/2015
                    Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                     To All,
                      
                    I have two tips to share with all Flyer buffs.    I am FICUS PRODUCTS.

                    1. The ongoing problem with servicing Flyer sintered Iron trucks forced me to build a tool to spread the trucks for wheel replacement. The tool places all the spreading pressure against the upright tangs  that are present behind the sintered truck.
                        They open without the side frames falling off.  Once the wheel sets are replaced the side frames can be gently closed with your thumbs. As the side frames are supported by the tangs the side frames stay in place. I developed these for my own use and    
                        those in the MVSG'ers.

                        My set also includes a spreader head to open the link truck.   The advantage to this tool: it applies equal pressure to both side flanges so even spreading is achieved.

                    2. We know the advantages of the link couplers and the disadvantages.
                         I developed a truck to take the place of the old link and the sintered Iron. This New truck uses the journal covers from the old link truck, plus the design is such it makes the connection to the Knuckle Coupler a solid connection.
                        The coupler of choice for this is the KC  with the single vertical hole. I use a Allen head screw to attach the coupler. I have found the knurls that are common of these screws act as a locking method in the vertical bore of the coupler. A std. slot head screw     
                         can be used as well but lacks the self-locking advantage.
                        This new truck places the KC on the centerline of the truck. PLus the stick out of the coupler is shortened to make it nice and neat under a car.  My trucks are heat blackened and cut from a little thicker metal that the original Flyer lInk truck.
                         It replaces the stamped look that resemble springs and openings with actual springs and openings in the sides of the truck. Note: These are inactive springs but add a three dimensional look to the truck which is lacking in the link flyer or the sintered. 
                         These come with the small rivet hole - should they be applied to a car with the larger hole they must be drilled to fit the larger size rivet.

                        These trucks will outlast anything in hi -rail that I'm aware of at this time and are nearly Grandchild proof.

                      Should anyone wish to purchase either the tool or the trucks please contact me directly for more information.   Note: Port-lines carries my trucks as well.

                     3.  In the future additional trucks sizes are on the drawing board and will be forth-coming.

                      Sincerely,  Alan Smith

                      
                    On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:16 PM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                     

                    I see that this recurring topic has returned and was interested to see that Lionel refuses to do anything of substance about it.  This same problem has been going on for many years and it appears that it will continue for many more.  But don't be surprised by Lionel's response, Bachmann Trains is doing the same thing in HO and On30.  The growing lack of quality in products made in China can no longer be overlooked either.


                    In the case of Bachmann, the problem is ongoing gear failure.  The plastic gears don't wear out, they split.  Bachmann locos come right out of the box with split gears or run a few hours, then fail.  Bachmann has had gear failure troubles for at least a dozen years to some degree or another and hasn't changed their design either!  They DID warrantee the locomotives if you sent the defective one in but sent you another one with the same problem.   Finally, they gave replacement gears to any customer with a sales slip that sent for them, but you got the same gears that originally came in the locomotives!  Several times Bachmann representatives and vendors have claimed the problem has been fixed, but new trains keep coming out with the same problem.


                    Bachmann's gear problem is so common that Northwest ShortLine (a parts and detail supplier in HO) makes a gear replacement kit for most Bachmann locomotives, particularly the Shay, Climax, and Heisler logging engines!  When a company tools up to make replacement metal gears, the problem with the original manufacturer has to be so bad that such an investment is worthwhile.


                    Failures of Flyonel truck sideframes and Bachmann drive gears have gone on so long without replacement or redesign that it's obvious these corporations don't give a damn as long as their crap sells.   My question is why is anyone buying their junk?  It's not as if the problems are unknown.   Of course collectors don't care if the stuff runs, and that is Flyonel's market focus anyway.


                    To my mind, to call this new stuff "American Flyer" is a disservice to the real AF trains and old A.C. himself, let alone a fleecing of customers.  Sorry if you disagree, I just call 'em as I see 'em.


                    Stumpy Stone in Ahia



                    Group: S-Trains Message: 75770 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 2/1/2015
                    Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                    Buyer beware anything from LBR Enterprises LLC. To many Horror stories about people not getting parts paid for! Just an FYI! Chris Burger AKA CBTRAINNUT
                    Group: S-Trains Message: 75771 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/1/2015
                    Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 02 February 2015
                    Attachments :
                      "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                      When
                      Monday, 02 February 2015
                      01:00 AM to 07:30 AM
                      (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
                      Where
                      http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                      Notes
                      SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75772 From: hjsheffield Date: 2/1/2015
                      Subject: SHS 2-8-0

                      I have a brand new SHS 2-8-0 Undecorated with sound for sale.  The retail original price is $599.00.


                      My sale price is $499.00.  It is in the original boxes and case with all included items untouched.


                      Please contact me at hjsheff@... for more info or other sale items.


                      Howard Sheffield


                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75773 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/2/2015
                      Subject: 1.2. Re: Defective AF sideframes
                      Posted by: "Chrisandmhel Burger" chrisandmhelburger@... cbtrainnut3

                      Buyer beware anything from LBR Enterprises LLC. To many Horror stories about people not getting parts paid for! Just an FYI! Chris Burger AKA CBTRAINNUT

                      I must add my caution to dealing with this manufacturer/dealer, I myself have been hesitant to mention this. I made the mistake of sending six pairs of tender trucks {fully prepaid} to them for conversion to all wheel power pick up now over fifteen months back. As of this time I have received only one set back and inquiries sent to them now go with out response. I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt but sadly I am afraid I may be out five sets of trucks and $150.00. Yes prospective buyers Beware.

                      Ray

                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75774 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/2/2015
                      Subject: USM Unloading Box Car

                      Does anyone have an exploded view of the Flyonel USM unloading box car?  I'm trying to re-position the power pickup to the opposite side of the truck.  It appears the screw holding the power pickup is screwed into the "rivet" that holds the truck on.  Unfortunately the car "floor" appears to be solid and I think you have to remove the shell, floor and unloading mechanism to get to the "rivet" to hold it so you can unscrew the screw.  Has anyone tried this?


                      Thanks,


                      BTW - I saw where Chris mentioned my Flyonel sideframe repair using JB Weld.  I use the quick set formulation and it solves the problem.  I also suggest you guys who are holding on over here at least check out the Facebook page.  There are a lot of guys like me who used to get all our AF knowledge here but moved there when Yahoo messed up the groups several years ago.  There's over 1000 AF enthusiasts on the Facebook page now.


                      David Tyner



                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75775 From: Bill Lane Date: 2/2/2015
                      Subject: rail joiners

                      I am looking for SHS rail joiners much preferred to not be weathered….

                       

                      Waddaya got?

                       

                      Thank You,
                      Bill Lane

                      Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

                      See my finished models at:
                      http://www.lanestrains.com
                      Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                       

                      See my layout progress at:

                      http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

                      Custom Train Parts Design & 3D Printing
                      http://www.3dmodeltech.com

                      PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                      (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                      http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                      ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                      The other members are not ALL like me!
                      http://www.prrths.com
                      http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

                      Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                      It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
                      Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

                       

                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75776 From: lenscap76 Date: 2/2/2015
                      Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                      What sideframes are you guys talking about? I have a B&O gondola from 81-82 and the trucks fell apart on me. I also have several cars from Flyonel's blue and yellow box period with the new style trucks (90's era??) and they all seem fine. Are these sideframes from cars that were made in the last year or two? I do not have any cars from the last few years.
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75777 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/2/2015
                      Subject: USM Box Car

                      I found the exploded view and parts list on the Lionel website of all places.  It also has photos of most of the individual parts.

                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75778 From: Paul Krause Date: 2/2/2015
                      Subject: Re: rail joiners

                      Bill,  I asked Don Thompson this question about 3 weeks ago.  I need at least  200 non weathered.  I am  handlaying track and turmouts using code 125.  He mentioned trying Old Pullman.  I looked them up on the Web and their phone #s and email were no good.  I tried micro Mark and they have some stamped ones...not as nice for code125.  No S-Helper ones. Maybe they will do in a pinch.   Did not call MTH yet either.  If u find any anywhere let me know.  Thanks.  Paul K.

                      Pakrause5@...

                      Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

                      From:"'Bill Lane' bill@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Date:Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:35 AM
                      Subject:[S-Trains] rail joiners

                       

                      I am looking for SHS rail joiners much preferred to not be weathered….

                       

                      Waddaya got?

                       

                      Thank You,
                      Bill Lane

                      Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

                      See my finished models at:
                      http://www.lanestrains.com
                      Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                       

                      See my layout progress at:

                      http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

                      Custom Train Parts Design & 3D Printing
                      http://www.3dmodeltech.com

                      PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                      (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                      http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                      ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                      The other members are not ALL like me!
                      http://www.prrths.com
                      http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

                      Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                      It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
                      Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

                       

                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75779 From: race944t Date: 2/2/2015
                      Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                      I have had no dealings with LBR, but I don’t see their trucks as an answer as for the most part the issue is the operating trucks on the dump cars (log, coal, Christmas candy, etc.) that fail or are broken in unopened boxes.  I’m still wondering if anyone has tried the Sinbad or equivalent glue.
                       
                      “Banker” Bill Clark
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75780 From: racin510 Date: 2/2/2015
                      Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                      Of course, it's not like Flyer original truck frames were so perfect as I've JB'd my fair share of them. My biggest gripe with Lionel trucks is with a couple of my action cars where side frames short on curved sections of switches because they sit too close to the rails. It takes a bit of filing to eliminate the fire works.
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75781 From: snstrains Date: 2/2/2015
                      Subject: Re: rail joiners
                      I believe American Models still has rail joiners available.
                      Steve
                      Boise
                       
                      In a message dated 2/2/2015 7:42:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                       

                      Bill,  I asked Don Thompson this question about 3 weeks ago.  I need at least  200 non weathered.  I am  handlaying track and turmouts using code 125.  He mentioned trying Old Pullman.  I looked them up on the Web and their phone #s and email were no good.  I tried micro Mark and they have some stamped ones...not as nice for code125.  No S-Helper ones. Maybe they will do in a pinch.   Did not call MTH yet either.  If u find any anywhere let me know.  Thanks.  Paul K.

                      Pakrause5@...

                      Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

                      From:"'Bill Lane' bill@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Date:Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:35 AM
                      Subject:[S-Trains] rail joiners

                       

                      I am looking for SHS rail joiners much preferred to not be weathered….

                       

                      Waddaya got?

                       

                      Thank You,
                      Bill Lane

                      Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

                      See my finished models at:
                      http://www.lanestrains.com
                      Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                       

                      See my layout progress at:

                      http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

                      Custom Train Parts Design 3D Printing
                      http://www.3dmodeltech.com

                      PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold Traded
                      (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                      http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                      ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                      The other members are not ALL like me!
                      http://www.prrths.com
                      http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

                      Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                      It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
                      Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

                       

                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75782 From: jim8677 Date: 2/3/2015
                      Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                      Yeaaaa..I know exactly how that feels ....several years ago I ordered over $350 worth SHS cars from a so called friend and fellow club member that started a model RR hobby store.   Gave him full payment in advance to help him out cause he was a friend.  Next I new he went out of business and I never got the cars or even an offer to reimburse.   I'm told bad karma has a way of catching up with people like that.


                      ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <chrisandmhelburger@...> wrote :

                      Buyer beware anything from LBR Enterprises LLC. To many Horror stories about people not getting parts paid for! Just an FYI! Chris Burger AKA CBTRAINNUT
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75783 From: alan Date: 2/3/2015
                      Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                       I think depending on the truck it has to be a metallic compound to complete the circuit.  LB weld has a metal component as part of the compound.

                      Hamilton Al
                      On Feb 2, 2015, at 10:35 AM, 'race944t' race944t@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                       

                      I have had no dealings with LBR, but I don’t see their trucks as an answer as for the most part the issue is the operating trucks on the dump cars (log, coal, Christmas candy, etc.) that fail or are broken in unopened boxes.  I’m still wondering if anyone has tried the Sinbad or equivalent glue.
                       
                      “Banker” Bill Clark


                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75784 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/3/2015
                      Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes>>> THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM or THE LAW

                      Just some random thoughts on why stuff happens:  As our “toy” trains evolved to “realistic scale models”, customers asked for more accurately scaled dimensions for things like rails, couplers and trucks.  And believe it or not, the manufacturers tried to gave that to the customer.  Unfortunately, physics doesn’t always scale the way we want it to.  Because we are not running real self-powered scale models (with steam or diesel-electric traction-motor engines and every dimension and detail correct), we find things like center of gravity, strength of materials, use of materials, etc. is not the same as in the real object.  In fact, physics and manufacturing techniques prevent us from scaling certain types of components (such as spark plugs) smaller than a certain size and still have them operate in the same manner as the real thing.    

                       

                      I’m just guessing, but your side frames are probably close to being dimensionally correct.  However, in the real locomotive and in real switches, no one is trying to apply a potential across the rails to make your choo-choo run down the track.  If it sparks and spits at 15 volts, imagine what a fireworks show we would get from the real thing if it had to pick off 960 volts (15 volts / 1/64 scale) from the track.

                       

                      Life is full of compromises.

                       

                      Jerry F.

                       

                              

                       

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                      Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:21 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Defective AF sideframes

                       

                       

                      Of course, it's not like Flyer original truck frames were so perfect as I've JB'd my fair share of them. My biggest gripe with Lionel trucks is with a couple of my action cars where side frames short on curved sections of switches because they sit too close to the rails. It takes a bit of filing to eliminate the fire works.

                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75785 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/3/2015
                      Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes

                      True, original American Flyer trucks aren't great.  Of course, they were designed and manufactured to the best of Gilbert's ability over sixty years ago and played with hard in their youth.  Then they have sat around "ageing" for over half a century, and then started being used again.  Like any of we humans who are using them, they're tired and have problems.


                      However, the Flyonel trucks are brand new, freshly designed, and in the prime of their youth.  AND DEFECTIVE!  Some don't make it out of the box!  Worse yet, Lionel doesn't give a damn.  The manufacturer does a better job with their O gauge stuff, but treats Flyonel like a poor stepchild to be milked of his inheritance.


                      See a difference?  I do! 


                      Stumpy in Ahia

                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75786 From: racin510 Date: 2/3/2015
                      Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes>>> THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM or THE LAW
                      July 4TH for sure, that would be!  I've never had a ACG Flyer truck side frame short to the switch rail. Some of the Lionel production must have been a little too deep. I do like their dump cars, what ever.
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75787 From: racin510 Date: 2/3/2015
                      Subject: Re: Defective AF sideframes
                      I've heard that, and JB is so tough you'd think there would be metal in it, but I've never been able to run juice through it.
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75788 From: stevew970 Date: 2/3/2015
                      Subject: New Products, Free Shipping
                      Attachments :

                      Pre-Size Model Specialties is offering Free Shipping for the month of February on all orders over $20 in the US. International orders will have reduced shipping. We have several new S products; bridge abutments, piers and abutment walls. Visit our website at http://www.pre-size.com


                      Steve Wolcott


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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75789 From: Mark Kiner Date: 2/4/2015
                      Subject: TMCC MOW Gantry Crane
                      I have a Lionel TMCC gantry crane (this is the one with built in TMCC control and replay)

                      180.00 + 30.00 insured shipping. (or your actual cost whichever is less)

                      I can save on shipping if you are ok with UPS, the above is insured USPS to.

                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75790 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/4/2015
                      Subject: Email request

                      Does anyone have Don Thompson's email addy? I did or thought I did but am unable to find it.

                                           Bob Lampe

                                           Kalispell,MT

                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75791 From: scaler164 Date: 2/4/2015
                      Subject: Lionel ES44AC
                      This was recently discussed, but I can't remember for sure... isn't the Lionel ES44AC diesel the model that can be easily converted to scale and has the pilot that can be attached to the shell?
                       
                      Their 2015 catalog does not list one... but does anyone know if it was ever released in a CSX scheme in the past?  If so, does anyone know what Lionel's product number for that model was?
                       
                      And where might I find one for sale?
                       
                      Thanks in advance.
                       
                       
                      John Degnan
                      Scaler164@...
                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75792 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 2/4/2015
                      Subject: Re: TMCC MOW Gantry Crane
                      It is sold.

                      On Feb 4, 2015, at 1:55 PM, "Mark Kiner robbe_wan@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       

                      I have a Lionel TMCC gantry crane (this is the one with built in TMCC control and replay)

                      180.00 + 30.00 insured shipping. (or your actual cost whichever is less)

                      I can save on shipping if you are ok with UPS, the above is insured USPS to.

                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75793 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 2/5/2015
                      Subject: Re: Lionel ES44AC
                      yes in csx two road numbers at Charles ro supply company on line  ac or dc run  same as sd70 by af
                       
                       
                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Scaler164@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wed, Feb 4, 2015 6:28 pm
                      Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel ES44AC

                       
                      This was recently discussed, but I can't remember for sure... isn't the Lionel ES44AC diesel the model that can be easily converted to scale and has the pilot that can be attached to the shell?
                       
                      Their 2015 catalog does not list one... but does anyone know if it was ever released in a CSX scheme in the past?  If so, does anyone know what Lionel's product number for that model was?
                       
                      And where might I find one for sale?
                       
                      Thanks in advance.
                       
                       
                      John Degnan
                      Scaler164@...
                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75794 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/6/2015
                      Subject: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire

                      Just saw the Berkshire in the 2015 AF catalog and somehow it looks more scale than the Polar Express Berk.  That might all be in my head as I have wanted a NKP Berk for a long time and this one is more attainable than a scale brass model. 


                      Does anyone in the know have a release date for the Berks?  Taking pre-orders?


                      Another question is about the Flyer Chief control system.  Is it compatible with TMCC or something completely new?  When my layout is set back up (from the move) it uses TMCC for track control.  So it is basically conventional mode, but the bell and whistle buttons trigger Bells and whistles on 90s and early 2000s Flyonel engines.  It works for American Models also.  I am wondering if that will be the case for the Flyer Chief Berk in conventional mode.


                      The basement in this new house is almost finished.  New mechanicals, walls spray-foam insulated and water problems solved.  It is actually warmer that the main floor of the house and completely dry.  Only 19 more sheets of drywall to hang.  Then tape and mud. Then prime and paint.  Almost there....  The prospect of seeing the Berk on the layout has provided some needed motivation. 


                      Lumber to build benchwork for the old layout was delivered with the drywall.  The benchwork will be built in modules so it can be re-used on the new empire, still on the drawing board.  More to come on that.  Should probably start stockpiling AM track now.


                      Regards,


                      Tim Benner

                      Jackson, MI

                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75795 From: Papa Date: 2/7/2015
                      Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
                      Regarding the Berk, I'm a bit concerned by it's length.
                      The catalog says it's 14".
                      That would be considerably undersized in my opinion.
                      The postwar AF switcher is 14".
                      The Mikado, my favorite Flyonel, measures 15.5". Pretty sure Berks were larger than Mikes.
                      Unless someone on this forum has different information, I won't be ordering.


                      Regarding the RailChief Plus, I give that system a thumbs up.
                      I gave my grandson one of the new Lionel Geeps with that system and am impressed with it. It runs conventional just like TMCC locks do. With it's handheld turned on with fixed track voltage @ 18 VAC it acts like a TMCC loco with it's feature set minus some RailSounds higher end features (sort of like RailSounds 4.0). It will run on the same track along with other TMCC locos.


                      Just my 2 cents,
                      Don
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75796 From: Tom Date: 2/7/2015
                      Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
                      When Flyer Chief first came out, I emailed Lionel about its compatibility with TMCC and was informed that it is a new system and the implication was that it will not operate TMCC equipment and TMCC cannot operate Flyer Chief equipment.  They are not the same and are not compatible as programable (i.e. non-conventional) equipment.  I was told that Flyer Chief equipped engines could be operated in “conventional mode”, which unfortunately wouldn’t allow taking full advantage of what I would guess the Flyer Chief engines can do (I’ve not owned one so I’m speculating on that).  Maybe one of our TMCC experts can further enlighten us.  It is also possible I was given inaccurate information but that is what they said at the time.  I wanted to know about TMCC compatibility because I too was interested in getting a NKP Berkshire locomotive to run on my layout using TMCC.  It is unfortunate that the development of Flyer Chief has to be incompatible with TMCC.  It makes it less attractive to potential buyers as far as I’m concerned.

                      I’d like to know anything more that others have heard on this issue.

                      Tom

                      On Feb 6, 2015, at 10:42 AM, tim.benner@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



                      Just saw the Berkshire in the 2015 AF catalog and somehow it looks more scale than the Polar Express Berk.  That might all be in my head as I have wanted a NKP Berk for a long time and this one is more attainable than a scale brass model.  


                      Does anyone in the know have a release date for the Berks?  Taking pre-orders?


                      Another question is about the Flyer Chief control system.  Is it compatible with TMCC or something completely new?  When my layout is set back up (from the move) it uses TMCC for track control.  So it is basically conventional mode, but the bell and whistle buttons trigger Bells and whistles on 90s and early 2000s Flyonel engines.  It works for American Models also.  I am wondering if that will be the case for the Flyer Chief Berk in conventional mode.


                      The basement in this new house is almost finished.  New mechanicals, walls spray-foam insulated and water problems solved.  It is actually warmer that the main floor of the house and completely dry.  Only 19 more sheets of drywall to hang.  Then tape and mud. Then prime and paint.  Almost there....  The prospect of seeing the Berk on the layout has provided some needed motivation.  


                      Lumber to build benchwork for the old layout was delivered with the drywall.  The benchwork will be built in modules so it can be re-used on the new empire, still on the drawing board.  More to come on that.  Should probably start stockpiling AM track now.


                      Regards,


                      Tim Benner

                      Jackson, MI



                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75797 From: alhbaker Date: 2/7/2015
                      Subject: Looking for S-Helper Couplers # 00295

                      I am looking for about 3 pair of S-Helper couplers # 00295 "Coupler AF comp for switchers".   Anybody have some?


                      Please reply direct to albaker33@...


                      Al Baker

                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75798 From: Paul Krause Date: 2/7/2015
                      Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire

                      If this picncomes out on the forum. .  Zoom in on the berk in the upper left side.  Those are the flyer heavyweights next to it.  This was from the Springfield train show 1/27/15.

                      Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

                      From:"Papa donabrams@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Date:Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 5:39 PM
                      Subject:[S-Trains] Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire

                       



                      Regarding the Berk, I'm a bit concerned by it's length.
                      The catalog says it's 14".
                      That would be considerably undersized in my opinion.
                      The postwar AF switcher is 14".
                      The Mikado, my favorite Flyonel, measures 15.5". Pretty sure Berks were larger than Mikes.
                      Unless someone on this forum has different information, I won't be ordering.

                      Regarding the RailChief Plus, I give that system a thumbs up.
                      I gave my grandson one of the new Lionel Geeps with that system and am impressed with it. It runs conventional just like TMCC locks do. With it's handheld turned on with fixed track voltage @ 18 VAC it acts like a TMCC loco with it's feature set minus some RailSounds higher end features (sort of like RailSounds 4.0). It will run on the same track along with other TMCC locos.

                      Just my 2 cents,
                      Don

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                      Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 09 February 2015
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                        Group: S-Trains Message: 75800 From: frank emiro Date: 2/7/2015
                        Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire CLICK HERE !!!
                        CLICK HERE
                         
                         
                        Frank R. EMIRO


                        From: "Papa donabrams@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 9:48 AM
                        Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire

                         


                        Regarding the Berk, I'm a bit concerned by it's length.
                        The catalog says it's 14".
                        That would be considerably undersized in my opinion.
                        The postwar AF switcher is 14".
                        The Mikado, my favorite Flyonel, measures 15.5". Pretty sure Berks were larger than Mikes.
                        Unless someone on this forum has different information, I won't be ordering.

                        Regarding the RailChief Plus, I give that system a thumbs up.
                        I gave my grandson one of the new Lionel Geeps with that system and am impressed with it. It runs conventional just like TMCC locks do. With it's handheld turned on with fixed track voltage @ 18 VAC it acts like a TMCC loco with it's feature set minus some RailSounds higher end features (sort of like RailSounds 4.0). It will run on the same track along with other TMCC locos.

                        Just my 2 cents,
                        Don



                        Group: S-Trains Message: 75801 From: Tom Date: 2/7/2015
                        Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire [1 Attachment]
                        Don,

                        Thanks for the info on FlyerChief.  Can the TMCC controller operate the FlyerChief features in full handheld mode, meaning as if the TMCC controller were a FlyerChief controller?  I’m glad you confirmed that it can run in conventional mode presumably using the TMCC controller.  I’m wondering now if it would be necessary to get the FlyerChief handheld controller to take full advantage of all of its features.  If I decide to get one, I might be satisfied with the conventional operation but it would be nice to take full advantage of everything it offers without having to get a FlyerChief controller.

                        By the way, I just checked on relative sizes of the two locomotives full size and it appears that the overall wheelbase including tender for Mikado’s is 71’ and for Berkshire’s it is 86’ so you’re correct that the Berkshires are bigger, which is what we would guess.  I wonder if the 14” dimension is correct (I know that’s what the catalog lists)?  It seems awfully short.  That’s shorter than my old Flyer Atlantics.  That doesn’t seem correct as you pointed out.  Perhaps Paul, who posted the picture, could also post the full length to either confirm the 14” figure or tell us that it’s wrong.

                        Tom

                        On Feb 7, 2015, at 4:44 PM, Paul Krause pakrause5@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                        If this picncomes out on the forum. .  Zoom in on the berk in the upper left side.  Those are the flyer heavyweights next to it.  This was from the Springfield train show 1/27/15.

                        Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

                        From:"Papa donabrams@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                        Date:Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 5:39 PM
                        Subject:[S-Trains] Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire

                         



                        Regarding the Berk, I'm a bit concerned by it's length.
                        The catalog says it's 14".
                        That would be considerably undersized in my opinion.
                        The postwar AF switcher is 14". 
                        The Mikado, my favorite Flyonel, measures 15.5". Pretty sure Berks were larger than Mikes.
                        Unless someone on this forum has different information, I won't be ordering.

                        Regarding the RailChief Plus, I give that system a thumbs up.
                        I gave my grandson one of the new Lionel Geeps with that system and am impressed with it. It runs conventional just like TMCC locks do. With it's handheld turned on with fixed track voltage @ 18 VAC it acts like a TMCC loco with it's feature set minus some RailSounds higher end features (sort of like RailSounds 4.0). It will run on the same track along with other TMCC locos.

                        Just my 2 cents,
                        Don


                        <attachment_1422569011812_20150125 007.JPG>

                        Group: S-Trains Message: 75802 From: SnSTrains@... Date: 2/7/2015
                        Subject: S-Helper track connectors
                        Somebody was looking for some S-Helper track joiners a few days ago. I just found 5 packages of a dozen each in the shop. Make me an offer I can't refuse.
                         
                         
                        Steve Blackburn
                        S-'n-S Trains
                        3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
                        Boise, Idaho
                        2083761159
                        www.snstrains.com
                        Group: S-Trains Message: 75803 From: rick gough Date: 2/7/2015
                        Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
                        So the Berks will run on the with TMCC on the same track and AC voltage, but must use their own remote? This is good.

                        Looks to me like all the Berks are the same. Buy the Polar Express set and get 3 coaches worth $210. for the additional $50 over just a Berk loco. Repaint and road name the tender; paint the coaches as desired.
                         
                        rick gough
                        mudshark datsun
                        510 racing


                        On Saturday, February 7, 2015 2:41 PM, "Papa donabrams@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                        ----- Forwarded Message -----

                         


                        Regarding the Berk, I'm a bit concerned by it's length.
                        The catalog says it's 14".
                        That would be considerably undersized in my opinion.
                        The postwar AF switcher is 14".
                        The Mikado, my favorite Flyonel, measures 15.5". Pretty sure Berks were larger than Mikes.
                        Unless someone on this forum has different information, I won't be ordering.

                        Regarding the RailChief Plus, I give that system a thumbs up.
                        I gave my grandson one of the new Lionel Geeps with that system and am impressed with it. It runs conventional just like TMCC locks do. With it's handheld turned on with fixed track voltage @ 18 VAC it acts like a TMCC loco with it's feature set minus some RailSounds higher end features (sort of like RailSounds 4.0). It will run on the same track along with other TMCC locos.

                        Just my 2 cents,
                        Don



                        Group: S-Trains Message: 75804 From: Obie Bell Date: 2/7/2015
                        Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
                        In regard to the Berkshire length, this is probably a misprint by Lionel.  You may remember back around 2006 or so when they came out with the Northern they listed it as a little over 12" which was too short for the engine alone.  They have a spot on their site for questions, I used it back then about the Northern length and by the next day I received an email from them that it was a misprint and that the length would be correct to scale.

                        Obie Bell



                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 17:39:21 -0600
                        Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2015 AF catalog Berkshire

                         
                        Don,

                        Thanks for the info on FlyerChief.  Can the TMCC controller operate the FlyerChief features in full handheld mode, meaning as if the TMCC controller were a FlyerChief controller?  I’m glad you confirmed that it can run in conventional mode presumably using the TMCC controller.  I’m wondering now if it would be necessary to get the FlyerChief handheld controller to take full advantage of all of its features.  If I decide to get one, I might be satisfied with the conventional operation but it would be nice to take full advantage of everything it offers without having to get a FlyerChief controller.

                        By the way, I just checked on relative sizes of the two locomotives full size and it appears that the overall wheelbase including tender for Mikado’s is 71’ and for Berkshire’s it is 86’ so you’re correct that the Berkshires are bigger, which is what we would guess.  I wonder if the 14” dimension is correct (I know that’s what the catalog lists)?  It seems awfully short.  That’s shorter than my old Flyer Atlantics.  That doesn’t seem correct as you pointed out.  Perhaps Paul, who posted the picture, could also post the full length to either confirm the 14” figure or tell us that it’s wrong.

                        Tom

                        On Feb 7, 2015, at 4:44 PM, Paul Krause pakrause5@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                        If this picncomes out on the forum. .  Zoom in on the berk in the upper left side.  Those are the flyer heavyweights next to it.  This was from the Springfield train show 1/27/15.

                        Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

                        From:"Papa donabrams@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                        Date:Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 5:39 PM
                        Subject:[S-Trains] Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire

                         



                        Regarding the Berk, I'm a bit concerned by it's length.
                        The catalog says it's 14".
                        That would be considerably undersized in my opinion.
                        The postwar AF switcher is 14". 
                        The Mikado, my favorite Flyonel, measures 15.5". Pretty sure Berks were larger than Mikes.
                        Unless someone on this forum has different information, I won't be ordering.

                        Regarding the RailChief Plus, I give that system a thumbs up.
                        I gave my grandson one of the new Lionel Geeps with that system and am impressed with it. It runs conventional just like TMCC locks do. With it's handheld turned on with fixed track voltage @ 18 VAC it acts like a TMCC loco with it's feature set minus some RailSounds higher end features (sort of like RailSounds 4.0). It will run on the same track along with other TMCC locos.

                        Just my 2 cents,
                        Don


                        <attachment_1422569011812_20150125 007.JPG>


                        Group: S-Trains Message: 75805 From: Mike Leahy Date: 2/8/2015
                        Subject: A.F. Promotional Set

                        I acquired the 20178 Promotional Set probably 15 years ago.  As you may know this consisted of 2 train sets powered by the 21813 & a 21160.  All the correct passenger cars & freight cars were included.  My question is there was also a 24730 Overland Express Baggage car also with this purchase.  I have read that around 1959 or 1960 A.F. had offered the 24730 as a free bonus car if you purchased certain sets.  Do any of you have knowledge of this bonus car being included with the 20178 Promotional Set?

                         

                        Thanks,

                         

                        Mike Leahy

                        Boulder, CO

                        Group: S-Trains Message: 75806 From: ecphora123 Date: 2/8/2015
                        Subject: Re: S-Helper track connectors
                        It was Bill Lane.

                        Gene
                        Group: S-Trains Message: 75807 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/8/2015
                        Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 09 February 2015
                        Attachments :
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                          When
                          Monday, 09 February 2015
                          01:00 AM to 07:30 AM
                          (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
                          Where
                          http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                          Notes
                          SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
                          From
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                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75808 From: Frank Emiro Date: 2/8/2015
                          Subject: Re: A.F. Promotional Set
                          That was a free car with a POST CEREALS box top. 

                          Sent from my iPhone

                          On Feb 8, 2015, at 11:43 AM, "'Mike Leahy' gmichael.leahy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                           

                          I acquired the 20178 Promotional Set probably 15 years ago.  As you may know this consisted of 2 train sets powered by the 21813 & a 21160.  All the correct passenger cars & freight cars were included.  My question is there was also a 24730 Overland Express Baggage car also with this purchase.  I have read that around 1959 or 1960 A.F. had offered the 24730 as a free bonus car if you purchased certain sets.  Do any of you have knowledge of this bonus car being included with the 20178 Promotional Set?

                           

                          Thanks,

                           

                          Mike Leahy

                          Boulder, CO

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75809 From: rlgriggs@bellsouth.net Date: 2/8/2015
                          Subject: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Stands

                          Back in January, 2014 I posted a question on the S-Trains Digest asking if anyone had figured 

                          how to use Red/Green LEDs (that are either Red or Green depending on how they’re connected) inside the AF #720 switch indicator stands.  I received a lot of beneficial responses including one: “Why bother?”  ;-)


                          My answer to the general question: “Why would you WANT to improve the indicator lights or EVEN USE the AF #720 switches?”, is: “I'm just NOW getting around to building a high-rail AF 'S’ layout (that I've been dreaming about for the last ~50-60 years) and I want to use all the old #720's I have on hand - most of which work great in spite of being ~60 years old.  Also, I've got boatloads of old AF track.  If I made the layout I'm building out of the new, modern trackage, I'd spend a small fortune, which I didn't want to do.  Besides, the new Lionel/AF, AM, & now MTH stuff will negotiate the old AF trackage systems just fine.  I'm not too concerned with how the trackage looks - and I’ve got some ideas on how to make it look much better.”


                          As it turns out, a 5mm LED is just the right size to place into the hole in the indicator stand where the lens was.  it has a small flange that keeps it from falling completely out of the existing hole.  It won’t fit behind the lens and have room for the red/green filter mechanism that changes from red to green using the original AF light bulbs, there’s not enough clearance.  The existing lens can be easily be pushed out from the inside.  The 5mm LED sticks out somewhat, but I figured how to negate that problem.  There are at least 3 types of 5mm Red/Green LEDs available that could be used.

                          1. A 2-lead 5mm Red/Green LED that changes colors by simply reversing its polarity.
                          2. A 3-lead 5mm Red/Green LED that changes colors depending on which anode is energized.
                          3. A 4-lead 5mm Red/Green/Blue LED that also changes colors depending on which anode is energized - don’t need to worry about the Blue lead.


                          I chose the 3-lead 5mm Red/Green LED that changes colors depending on which anode is energized.  By adding:

                          1. A small bridge rectifier
                          2. A micro-switch
                          3. 2 resistors (different values for the Red & Green anodes)
                          4. Using 2 3-lead 5mm Red/Green LEDs
                          5. A small brass ‘trigger’ to activate the micro-switch
                          6. 2 small brass tube extensions to extend the LED hoods
                          7. Some ACC to attach the LEDs to the top housing and their hood extensions,
                          8. Some Polly Scale “Steam Power Black” paint (to repaint the tops after installing the LED hood extensions - good match to original AF paint)
                          9. Misc. small wire
                          10. Misc. solder
                          11. Some hot-melt glue to keep wires in place


                          I have successfully completed the first prototype - a Left-hand #720 switch.  I am in the process of uploading several documents to S-Trains that includes the general wiring schematic, hardware specifications and cost, and some photographs.  Also, I will try to upload a short video showing how it looks after final assembly and hooked to the AF switch controls which are connected to the transformer’s constant voltage terminals.  (The video shows the ‘red’ as a light orange color, however, in real life it’s actually ‘RED’! )  I have already learned some experience that I will incorporate into the next and following switch indicator stands I plan on modifying.  First of all, I learned I couldn’t attach the brass ‘trigger’ that activates the micro-switch with 5-minute epoxy - it broke loose on the first switch ‘cycle’.  So, I had to scrape the epoxy off and was apparently able to solder the brass ‘trigger’ to the slider under the switch that actually positions the switch’s moveable rail.  The next improvement is to use perf-board in the top part of the switch indicator stand to simplify the wiring there.  (There’s not a whole lot of room up there!)  Also, it would be helpful to find some ‘really small’ wire connector-plugs that could simplify the final wiring, soldering, hook-ups needed.


                          My next modification will be on a right-hand #720 switch.  I noticed that in addition to being opposite-hand to the left-hand switch I modified first, it also had a plastic triangular piece molded into the switch housing (where the micro switch will be placed) that had to be removed.  It looks like it must have been added as a ‘guide’ for the switch slider mechanism.  The micro switch will now serve the ‘slider’ purpose, so there’s no change in design or operation.  I sanded the ends of the micro switch so it was a little narrower so it would fit snuggly into position, but not make the switch slider mechanism bind.  It appears the placement of the LEDs and bridge rectifier will be similar to that for the left-hand switch.  There’s the same amount of room (clearance) for both right- & left-hand switches, just in a little different orientation.


                          I’ll try to keep you posted on future developments & improvements, etc.


                          Regards, Randy Griggs


                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75810 From: Paul Krause Date: 2/8/2015
                          Subject: Re: S-Helper track connectors

                          If Bill does not respond...I will buy all of them.  I need them..  are they unfinished or weathered.

                          Please contact Paul Krause @ pakrause5@...

                          Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

                          From:"ecphora123@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                          Date:Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 1:51 PM
                          Subject:[S-Trains] Re: S-Helper track connectors

                           

                          It was Bill Lane.

                          Gene

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75811 From: Papa Date: 2/8/2015
                          Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
                          All,
                          Just to clarify. With fixed track voltage TMCC handhelds will not operate Lionel/FlyerChief locomotives.
                          Nor will they interfere with one another.
                          If you don't turn the Lion/FlyerChief handheld remote 'on' and the switch on the locomotive set to remote operation off) then the Lion/FlyerChief locomotive responds in conventional mode. Conventional mode can be transformer control or TMCC using a Powermaster.
                          What just hit me reading the catalog text for the Nth time is that you can use DC track power with the FlyerChief remote. Very cool!
                          My experience is based on running a TMCC loco and LionelChief loco together on the same loop of track.
                          Neither controller interfered with the other, just had to trust my grandson not to rear-end my train!


                          Don


                          P.S. Now to get clarification on the length of the locomotive. If the size is proportional to other AF steamers I 'm preordering. Lots of features at this price point.
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75812 From: Richard Reichard Date: 2/8/2015
                          Subject: NEW RUST REMOVING PRODUCT
                          To all:
                                      HomeDepot is now carrying a New Rust Removing Product in the NEW Automotive Section(part of Hardware Dept.)
                          It is made by "WD40" and is called Rust Remover Soak. The literature says its non-toxic, acid free and biodegradable.
                          It will not harm paint, rubber or plastics and safe for antiques. A 4 hour soak time at 68 degrees F is recommended and
                          is reusable. Cost is $27.97/gallon with a $10.00 mail-in rebate coupon. Look for a gray plastic jug with a yellow cap.
                          Additional information can be found at their website including several videos.
                           
                                Website  http://wd40specialist.com/
                           
                                  I have not tried my purchase yet; I hope it does well on lithography.
                          Oh yes, it is available several at other stores and is water soluable.
                           
                          I hope this info is useful.
                          Dick Reichard
                                       
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75813 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/8/2015
                          Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
                          Very neat!!  Looking forward to the details.

                          Bob Groh
                          Blue Springs, Missouri
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75814 From: snstrains Date: 2/8/2015
                          Subject: Re: S-Helper track connectors
                          SOLD
                          Steve
                           
                          In a message dated 2/8/2015 5:59:14 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                           

                          If Bill does not respond...I will buy all of them.  I need them..  are they unfinished or weathered.

                          Please contact Paul Krause @ pakrause5@...

                          Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

                          From:"ecphora123@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                          Date:Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 1:51 PM
                          Subject:[S-Trains] Re: S-Helper track connectors

                           

                          It was Bill Lane.

                          Gene

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75815 From: H Schufl Date: 2/8/2015
                          Subject: AF Circus Wagons
                          Does anyone know how many different animals were put in the American Flyer Circus Wagons from the sets that were produced in 1950 and 1951?

                          I've seen ebay listings for a Rhinoceros, Lion, Zebra and Orangutan. 

                          Were there any others?

                          Thanks for your help.

                          Ed
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75816 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
                          Randy
                          I am also very interested in this project of using these LEDs in the Flyer switches. I agree also that I like the looks of the ACG track and switches and having a bunch of this stuff which operates fine, why replace with newer parts that may not be as hardy.
                          Looking forward to schematics and photos of how this goes together, very interesting.
                          Ray
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75817 From: Patrick McElroy Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: AF Circus Wagons

                          I have seen the following when it comes to AF circus cages.

                           

                          Loads - Tractor came with Blue, White or Green wheels
                          Lt Blue, Yellow or Green Tractor,
                          Blue Male Lion Red Cage,
                          Blue Male Lion Blue Cage,
                          Blue Zebra Red Cage,
                          Red Rhino Red Cage,
                          Red Rhino Blue Cage,
                          Red Tiger Blue Cage,
                          Yellow Rhino Red Cage,
                          Yellow Zebra Blue Cage,
                          Yellow Pelican Red Cage,
                          Yellow Tiger Blue Cage,
                          Yellow Tiger Red Cage
                          Rare - Lite Blue Cage with Green Wheels, hole in floor for animals with peg, Red or Yellow or Green animals
                          Rare - Yellow Cage with Red Wheels, hole in floor for animals with peg, Red or Yellow or Green animals.
                          Rare - Blue & Yellow Cage with White Wheels, hole in floor for animals with peg, Red or Yellow or Green animals. 
                          Early cages have holes over the wheels in scroll work.

                           

                           

                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                          Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 10:33 PM
                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [S-Trains] AF Circus Wagons

                           

                           

                          Does anyone know how many different animals were put in the American Flyer Circus Wagons from the sets that were produced in 1950 and 1951?

                           

                          I've seen ebay listings for a Rhinoceros, Lion, Zebra and Orangutan. 

                           

                          Were there any others?

                           

                          Thanks for your help.

                           

                          Ed

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75818 From: Tom Detmer Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
                          This is an interesting project. For what it's worth, Doug Peck has green, red, and clear LED bulbs the screw into the 720 sockets. The color is a little washed out compared to the AF bulb colors but still acceptable. Tom

                          Sent from my iPhone

                          On Feb 8, 2015, at 6:21 PM, rlgriggs@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                           

                          Back in January, 2014 I posted a question on the S-Trains Digest asking if anyone had figured 

                          how to use Red/Green LEDs (that are either Red or Green depending on how they’re connected) inside the AF #720 switch indicator stands.  I received a lot of beneficial responses including one: “Why bother?”  ;-)


                          My answer to the general question: “Why would you WANT to improve the indicator lights or EVEN USE the AF #720 switches?”, is: “I'm just NOW getting around to building a high-rail AF 'S’ layout (that I've been dreaming about for the last ~50-60 years) and I want to use all the old #720's I have on hand - most of which work great in spite of being ~60 years old.  Also, I've got boatloads of old AF track.  If I made the layout I'm building out of the new, modern trackage, I'd spend a small fortune, which I didn't want to do.  Besides, the new Lionel/AF, AM, & now MTH stuff will negotiate the old AF trackage systems just fine.  I'm not too concerned with how the trackage looks - and I’ve got some ideas on how to make it look much better.”


                          As it turns out, a 5mm LED is just the right size to place into the hole in the indicator stand where the lens was.  it has a small flange that keeps it from falling completely out of the existing hole.  It won’t fit behind the lens and have room for the red/green filter mechanism that changes from red to green using the original AF light bulbs, there’s not enough clearance.  The existing lens can be easily be pushed out from the inside.  The 5mm LED sticks out somewhat, but I figured how to negate that problem.  There are at least 3 types of 5mm Red/Green LEDs available that could be used.

                          1. A 2-lead 5mm Red/Green LED that changes colors by simply reversing its polarity.
                          2. A 3-lead 5mm Red/Green LED that changes colors depending on which anode is energized.
                          3. A 4-lead 5mm Red/Green/Blue LED that also changes colors depending on which anode is energized - don’t need to worry about the Blue lead.


                          I chose the 3-lead 5mm Red/Green LED that changes colors depending on which anode is energized.  By adding:

                          1. A small bridge rectifier
                          2. A micro-switch
                          3. 2 resistors (different values for the Red & Green anodes)
                          4. Using 2 3-lead 5mm Red/Green LEDs
                          5. A small brass ‘trigger’ to activate the micro-switch
                          6. 2 small brass tube extensions to extend the LED hoods
                          7. Some ACC to attach the LEDs to the top housing and their hood extensions,
                          8. Some Polly Scale “Steam Power Black” paint (to repaint the tops after installing the LED hood extensions - good match to original AF paint)
                          9. Misc. small wire
                          10. Misc. solder
                          11. Some hot-melt glue to keep wires in place


                          I have successfully completed the first prototype - a Left-hand #720 switch.  I am in the process of uploading several documents to S-Trains that includes the general wiring schematic, hardware specifications and cost, and some photographs.  Also, I will try to upload a short video showing how it looks after final assembly and hooked to the AF switch controls which are connected to the transformer’s constant voltage terminals.  (The video shows the ‘red’ as a light orange color, however, in real life it’s actually ‘RED’! )  I have already learned some experience that I will incorporate into the next and following switch indicator stands I plan on modifying.  First of all, I learned I couldn’t attach the brass ‘trigger’ that activates the micro-switch with 5-minute epoxy - it broke loose on the first switch ‘cycle’.  So, I had to scrape the epoxy off and was apparently able to solder the brass ‘trigger’ to the slider under the switch that actually positions the switch’s moveable rail.  The next improvement is to use perf-board in the top part of the switch indicator stand to simplify the wiring there.  (There’s not a whole lot of room up there!)  Also, it would be helpful to find some ‘really small’ wire connector-plugs that could simplify the final wiring, soldering, hook-ups needed.


                          My next modification will be on a right-hand #720 switch.  I noticed that in addition to being opposite-hand to the left-hand switch I modified first, it also had a plastic triangular piece molded into the switch housing (where the micro switch will be placed) that had to be removed.  It looks like it must have been added as a ‘guide’ for the switch slider mechanism.  The micro switch will now serve the ‘slider’ purpose, so there’s no change in design or operation.  I sanded the ends of the micro switch so it was a little narrower so it would fit snuggly into position, but not make the switch slider mechanism bind.  It appears the placement of the LEDs and bridge rectifier will be similar to that for the left-hand switch.  There’s the same amount of room (clearance) for both right- & left-hand switches, just in a little different orientation.


                          I’ll try to keep you posted on future developments & improvements, etc.


                          Regards, Randy Griggs


                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75819 From: lou342ac Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
                          If you look at the new AF 2015 catalog page 20, the over all length of the Polar Express Passenger set is 50". The passenger cars are 11 3/4" each and with space for the couplers, would leave the engine at approx. 14". Hopefully someone can get clarification from Lionel as to actual engine length.

                          Lou Baldi
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75820 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
                          Ray has the essence of it from my perspective. I already use screw-in LEDs in the controllers. It would be a treat to put them into the switches themselves. Sounds like Brother Griggs has the attention of many of us.

                          Bill
                          Bill Porter
                          The Acreage - Florida
                          On 2/9/2015 8:06 AM, Ray Puls rpuls3@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                          Randy
                          I am also very interested in this project of using these LEDs in the Flyer switches. I agree also that I like the looks of the ACG track and switches and having a bunch of this stuff which operates fine, why replace with newer parts that may not be as hardy.
                          Looking forward to schematics and photos of how this goes together, very interesting.
                          Ray


                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75821 From: icequeen1982 Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Where to find Floquil paint
                          I am in the middle of a project and need Floquil Engine black. Can anyone help me? If not what to use in place????? Thanks guys


                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75822 From: icequeen1982 Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Where to find Floquil Paint

                          I am looking for Floquil paint engine black. Can anyone point me in that direction or at least recommend some other as good. Thanks guys

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75823 From: George Cohn Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
                          If I'm not mistaken, the AF 720 switches also switch the power from the
                          straight leg to the curved leg.


                          It seems to me you could use that to light the red or green 3 wire
                          diodes without adding a lot of extra stuff like micro switches.


                          I have a few switches so I might take one apart and see if it is doable
                          in a simpler manner. Would just need a couple of dropping resistors and
                          the leds I think.


                          George Cohn
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75824 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire

                          I contacted Lionel via their website about the availability date and the overall length of the engine and tender.  14" is not much longer than the postwar 0-8-0.  As soon as I hear anything it will be posted.


                          I would still like to know if anyone is taking pre-orders on the NKP Berkshire.


                          Regards,


                          Tim Benner

                          Jackson, MI

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75825 From: alan Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
                           It seems like a much simpler approach is to just use one  5 mm White LED  with a resistor in place of the bulb arrangement.  Everything else would remain unchanged.
                           The switches with R/G tape would last a long time without the heat from the bulb. Those switches with the actual R & G lens built into the slide are by far the best of the bunch.

                          Al Smith

                          On Feb 9, 2015, at 12:57 PM, George Cohn gwcohn@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                           

                          If I'm not mistaken, the AF 720 switches also switch the power from the
                          straight leg to the curved leg.

                          It seems to me you could use that to light the red or green 3 wire
                          diodes without adding a lot of extra stuff like micro switches.

                          I have a few switches so I might take one apart and see if it is doable
                          in a simpler manner. Would just need a couple of dropping resistors and
                          the leds I think.

                          George Cohn


                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75826 From: ecphora123 Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Re: S-Helper track connectors
                          Speaking of connectors, does anyone have any of the ones that will connect vintage flyer track to S
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75827 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Re: Where to find Floquil Paint
                          Both Tru-Color paint and Scalecoat have very good engine black paint
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75828 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Building detailing like windows and doors
                          seem to take longer to build then the real ones.

                          I am going to down load you tubes and remove audio files to be used and played from certain buildings.

                          Jackie Glesen yelling at Alice in an apartment.

                          How about Joe the Bar tender in a tavern.


                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75829 From: Tom Detmer Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
                          I've done this on my switches and it works well. Use the clear LED bulbs from Port Lines.

                          Sent from my iPhone

                          On Feb 9, 2015, at 3:13 PM, alan alansmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                           

                           It seems like a much simpler approach is to just use one  5 mm White LED  with a resistor in place of the bulb arrangement.  Everything else would remain unchanged.

                           The switches with R/G tape would last a long time without the heat from the bulb. Those switches with the actual R & G lens built into the slide are by far the best of the bunch.

                          Al Smith

                          On Feb 9, 2015, at 12:57 PM, George Cohn gwcohn@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                           

                          If I'm not mistaken, the AF 720 switches also switch the power from the
                          straight leg to the curved leg.

                          It seems to me you could use that to light the red or green 3 wire
                          diodes without adding a lot of extra stuff like micro switches.

                          I have a few switches so I might take one apart and see if it is doable
                          in a simpler manner. Would just need a couple of dropping resistors and
                          the leds I think.

                          George Cohn


                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75830 From: Frank Emiro Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Re: Where to find Floquil Paint
                          Contact the hobby shop in Tynsboro , Mass off route 3. They still have some paint. 

                          Sent from my iPhone

                          On Feb 9, 2015, at 3:56 PM, "danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                           

                          Both Tru-Color paint and Scalecoat have very good engine black paint

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75831 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Re: A.F. Promotional Set

                          Hi Mike

                          That promotional was foe the Franklin set only and applied to 20550 the baggage car was offered as a free promotional from Post cereals did not apply to any other set source Greenberg’s guide to American flyer sets vol iii by Joe Deger

                           

                          With regard to  set 20178 made in 1959 one of several sets that contained two train sets that could run without switches

                           

                          Set make up 21160 24403 24309 24603 21813 24867 24869 24868 Accessories 40 26720 Curve track 15 26700 straight track 26745 90 deg crossing two 26810 power on clips 36 26693 track locks 22020 50 watt transformer 26672 electric track trip 747 cardboard trestle set  M-44558, M-5100  estimated price 1,350 this is an outdared price hope this helps

                          Good luck stan

                           

                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                          Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 3:45 PM
                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.F. Promotional Set

                           

                           

                          That was a free car with a POST CEREALS box top. 

                          Sent from my iPhone


                          On Feb 8, 2015, at 11:43 AM, "'Mike Leahy' gmichael.leahy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                           

                          I acquired the 20178 Promotional Set probably 15 years ago.  As you may know this consisted of 2 train sets powered by the 21813 & a 21160.  All the correct passenger cars & freight cars were included.  My question is there was also a 24730 Overland Express Baggage car also with this purchase.  I have read that around 1959 or 1960 A.F. had offered the 24730 as a free bonus car if you purchased certain sets.  Do any of you have knowledge of this bonus car being included with the 20178 Promotional Set?

                           

                          Thanks,

                           

                          Mike Leahy

                          Boulder, CO

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75832 From: lou342ac Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
                          Here's a couple more interesting facts. The Lionel O scale #765 Nickel Plate Berkshire (6-11454) is listed at 26 1/2". Seems to me that does not work out to 14" in S scale?

                          Another interesting fact is the American Flyer HO-151 Hudson Engine measures 14" in length.

                          Lou Baldi
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75833 From: ac312 Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire





                          All,

                          I'm awaiting a reply from the 'appropriate department'.


                          Donald,

                           

                          Our items in the catalogue are subject to change.  Unfortunately until they have been produced we cannot confirm if the size is 14 inches.  We will pass on this information to the appropriate department.

                           

                          Thank You,

                           

                          cid:image002.jpg@01D03F06.5A4BDFE0

                          Angela S

                          Lionel Customer Service


                          Question:
                          I'd like to get a clarification on a 2015 cataloged item before preordering.
                          The S-gauge Birkshires are described as being 14" in length.
                          Seems quite short for an S-gauge steam engine of this class.
                          Hopefully the 14" dimension is in error.
                          Thank you for your time,
                          Don
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75834 From: ac312 Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
                          All,
                          Currently awaiting to hear from the 'appropriate department'.

                          Donald,

                           

                          Our items in the catalogue are subject to change.  Unfortunately until they have been produced we cannot confirm if the size is 14 inches.  We will pass on this information to the appropriate department.

                           

                          Thank You,

                          Angela S

                          Lionel Customer Service


                          Question:
                          I'd like to get a clarification on a 2015 cataloged item before preordering.
                          The S-gauge Birkshires are described as being 14" in length.
                          Seems quite short for an S-gauge steam engine of this class.
                          Hopefully the 14" dimension is in error.
                          Thank you for your time,
                          Don
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75835 From: traindavid Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
                          If you look at the catalog illustrations, it is obvious that the locomotive
                          & tender has to be longer than the listing--maybe the 14" is the locomotive
                          by itself.
                          As to changing the PE engine to look like the others, the PE engine has its
                          own pilot and headlight visor. Perhaps these are just applied over the
                          "scale" items, I don't know! It is intersting that the PE set is not much
                          more than the separate Berkshire locos themselves. What's with that? BTW,
                          the catalog description also state that the observation car has a rounded
                          end like the one in the movie.
                          I had an email today from Cha's RO that they are working on the preorder
                          prices, so soon. (hopefully sooner than the smoking caboose has taken!! :) )
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75836 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/9/2015
                          Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
                          Re: [S-Trains] Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire Figuring very roughly, I make the length as 22.5”

                          Roy Inman


                          on 2/9/15, 5:18 PM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                           
                           
                           
                             









                          All,
                          I'm awaiting a reply from the 'appropriate department'.


                          Donald,
                            
                          Our items in the catalogue are subject to change.  Unfortunately until they have been produc ed we cannot confirm if the size is 14 inches.  We will pass on this information to the appropriate department.
                            
                          Thank You,
                            

                          Angela S
                          Lionel Customer Service

                          Question:
                          I'd like to get a clarification on a 2015 cataloged item before preordering.
                          The S-gauge Birkshires are described as being 14" in length.
                          Seems quite short for an S-gauge steam engine of this class.
                          Hopefully the 14" dimension is in error.
                          Thank you for your time,
                          Don
                           
                             



                          Roy
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                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75837 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
                          Hello,


                          This email message is a notification to let you know that
                          a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains
                          group.


                          File : /Using Red-Green LEDs in AF 720 switches/AFS LED Switch Part 1.pdf
                          Uploaded by : elgreatzot <wpporter@...>
                          Description : Randy Griggs' design for switch indicators using LED


                          You can access this file at the URL:
                          https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/files/Using%20Red-Green%20LEDs%20in%20AF%20720%20switches/AFS%20LED%20Switch%20Part%201.pdf


                          To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
                          https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398


                          Regards,


                          elgreatzot <wpporter@...>
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75838 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
                          Hello,


                          This email message is a notification to let you know that
                          a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains
                          group.


                          File : /Using Red-Green LEDs in AF 720 switches/AFS LED Switch Part 2.pdf
                          Uploaded by : elgreatzot <wpporter@...>
                          Description : Randy Griggs Part 2


                          You can access this file at the URL:
                          https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/files/Using%20Red-Green%20LEDs%20in%20AF%20720%20switches/AFS%20LED%20Switch%20Part%202.pdf


                          To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
                          https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398


                          Regards,


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                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75839 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: AFS Switch Indicators with LEDs
                          Hi Folks,


                          Randy had some trouble getting the Yahoos to accept his file. He has
                          created a folder in the files section. Happily, I was able to put a copy
                          of his files in there. Take a look.


                          The problem he had, according to my system, is that his very descriptive
                          and useful file names were too long for Yahoo Groups.You should have
                          already received notifications that the files are there. They look
                          pretty good as well.


                          Bill - snooping and meddling


                          --
                          Bill Porter
                          The Acreage - Florida
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75840 From: Tom Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Switch Indicator Sta
                          Don,

                          Thanks for checking on this and for forwarding the update.  I would think that if the Polar Express engine is a Berkshire, as others have stated and it appears in the picture of the set, they could simply measure that engine and not conclude they can’t be measured “until they have been produced”.

                          However, Angela S probably doesn’t know that!  :-)

                          Tom

                          On Feb 9, 2015, at 6:17 PM, donabrams@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                          All,
                          Currently awaiting to hear from the 'appropriate department'.

                          Donald,

                           

                          Our items in the catalogue are subject to change.  Unfortunately until they have been produced we cannot confirm if the size is 14 inches.  We will pass on this information to the appropriate department.

                           

                          Thank You,
                          Angela S
                          Lionel Customer Service

                          Question:
                          I'd like to get a clarification on a 2015 cataloged item before preordering.
                          The S-gauge Birkshires are described as being 14" in length.
                          Seems quite short for an S-gauge steam engine of this class.
                          Hopefully the 14" dimension is in error.
                          Thank you for your time,
                          Don


                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75841 From: Ted Weiler Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: Re: A.F. Promotional Set
                          I was looking through some old R.M.C.s and found an add for the Franklin set with a free baggage car, a $6.99 value.  Price for the set was $ 27.99.  This was in the Dec 1959 issue, page 11.  Retailer was Corr's of Wash. DC.

                          Ted Weiler
                          Weatherford, TX


                          On Monday, February 9, 2015 6:45 PM, "'Stanley Sobieski' americanflyer@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




                          Hi Mike
                          That promotional was foe the Franklin set only and applied to 20550 the baggage car was offered as a free promotional from Post cereals did not apply to any other set source Greenberg’s guide to American flyer sets vol iii by Joe Deger
                           
                          With regard to  set 20178 made in 1959 one of several sets that contained two train sets that could run without switches
                           
                          Set make up 21160 24403 24309 24603 21813 24867 24869 24868 Accessories 40 26720 Curve track 15 26700 straight track 26745 90 deg crossing two 26810 power on clips 36 26693 track locks 22020 50 watt transformer 26672 electric track trip 747 cardboard trestle set  M-44558, M-5100  estimated price 1,350 this is an outdared price hope this helps
                          Good luck stan
                           
                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                          Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 3:45 PM
                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.F. Promotional Set
                           
                           
                          That was a free car with a POST CEREALS box top. 

                          Sent from my iPhone

                          On Feb 8, 2015, at 11:43 AM, "'Mike Leahy' gmichael.leahy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                           
                          I acquired the 20178 Promotional Set probably 15 years ago.  As you may know this consisted of 2 train sets powered by the 21813 & a 21160.  All the correct passenger cars & freight cars were included.  My question is there was also a 24730 Overland Express Baggage car also with this purchase.  I have read that around 1959 or 1960 A.F. had offered the 24730 as a free bonus car if you purchased certain sets.  Do any of you have knowledge of this bonus car being included with the 20178 Promotional Set?
                           
                          Thanks,
                           
                          Mike Leahy
                          Boulder, CO




                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75842 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire

                          To all:

                           

                          I contacted Lionel directly, and was told the following:

                           

                          <<< ….. the length is approximately 19.5”, not 14”. We’ll get this changed on our website at least.>>>>

                           

                          I’ve also had questions about whether the Berks will operate with TMCC/Legacy, since they are being made with the new FlyerChief system instead, in order to keep the price lower.

                          Here’s that answer----

                           

                          <<<….. the current FlyerChief  Berkshire engines can’t operate with a TMCC/Legacy system.  You do however have the option to run it with the included remote control or with a conventional transformer. >>>>

                           

                          Hope this helps settle the discussion.

                           

                          You might also be interested to know the following:

                             LIONEL delivery schedule: the following items from the 2014 catalog are enroute and we expect our first delivery to arrive tomorrow.

                                      49078          Polar Express Elf Handcar

                                      49877          Elevated Oil Tank

                                     

                                      The next shipment, due in about one month, is expected to include:

                                                  48745          Smoking Caboose

                                                  49876          Water Tower & Shed

                                                  49972          Polar Express Toy Car

                                                  49973          Polar Express Baggage Car

                                                  48579          Depressed Center Reel car

                                                  49083          ATSF Depressed Center Searchlight car

                                                  49977          Work Crew People Pack

                           

                          I will also note that we are accepting advance orders for anything in the 2015 catalogs, until approximately March 10th. I don’t have a firm cutoff date yet. Pricing available on request.

                           

                          Doug Peck
                          Port Lines Hobby Supply
                          6 Storeybrooke Drive
                          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
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                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75843 From: bobnalbone04 Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: New Blog

                          Hello. Just a quick note to say I've added a blog to my website: http://www.rlnpublishing.com/rln-s-model-rail-blog.html.  I invite everyone to check it out.


                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75844 From: Ron Inscho Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: LBR
                          
                          any one know if the LBR guy is still selling on E bay ?
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75845 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire

                          I also got an answer from Lionel this morning:


                          Tim,

                           

                          We found that the length of the engine and tender together is 19 inches.  We are working on fixing the dimensions online.

                           

                          Thank You,



                          Tim Benner

                          Jackson, MI

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75846 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: Re: LBR
                          Hi Ron,

                          You could ask him.

                          lbrenterprisesllc@...

                          I have always had good luck with exceptionally polite and rapid service from Dave. He has often gone the extra mile for me. Some people report that they have had poor experiences. I have no count of whether that is the exception and just from noisy list members or if it is common.

                          Bill
                          Bill Porter
                          The Acreage - Florida
                          On 2/9/2015 6:52 PM, 'Ron Inscho' roninscho@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                          
                          any one know if the LBR guy is still selling on E bay ?


                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75847 From: Al Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
                          RE: New Lionel American Flyer Berkshire Engine length:

                          Logically, since Lionel Scale is 1/4" = 1 ft. (or 4/16" = 1 ft.)  and that

                          American Flyer scale is 3/16" = 1 ft., then one could assume that the

                          American Flyer version should be 1/4 smaller in comparable size.  With the

                          Lionel Berkshire being measured as 26.5",  then downsizing by 1/4 would equal

                          19.875" for the length for an American Flyer version.

                          Using the 14" supposed Lionel length of the American Flyer version of the Berkshire,

                          you would, logically, have a downsized version being 47.2% smaller is size rather than

                          25% smaller if it was downsized by scale.

                          However, when has Lionel ever been LOGICAL in anything they produce?

                          Al Rawdon




                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75848 From: Ron Inscho Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: Re: LBR
                          just wanted to know , as what he is doing , taking money & not sending stuff
                          probably got him thrown of E-bay
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75849 From: Ron Inscho Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: Re: LBR
                          
                          I ordered stuff from him over a year ago & he never sent it , he kept putting Me off with many reasons as to why , but would not refund & now will not reply  ( by E-mail or phone ) and it is too late to get Pay Pal involved  & yet he is still taking peoples money ? Untill  / if  ? he makes good I say stay away from him .

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75850 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire

                          The original catalog art used the O gauge Polar Express Berkshire which is compressed from scale dimensions.   Luckily, someone at Lionel had the sense not to copy the three-rail version but rather their near scale O Scale product.

                          The 2015 catalog shows a full scale NKP Berkshire with the only compromise being no road specific details like the forward position sand dome and longer tender on the C&O version.

                          Charlie Vlk

                           

                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                          Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 6:07 PM
                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire

                           

                           

                          If you look at the catalog illustrations, it is obvious that the locomotive
                          & tender has to be longer than the listing--maybe the 14" is the locomotive
                          by itself.
                          As to changing the PE engine to look like the others, the PE engine has its
                          own pilot and headlight visor. Perhaps these are just applied over the
                          "scale" items, I don't know! It is intersting that the PE set is not much
                          more than the separate Berkshire locos themselves. What's with that? BTW,
                          the catalog description also state that the observation car has a rounded
                          end like the one in the movie.
                          I had an email today from Cha's RO that they are working on the preorder
                          prices, so soon. (hopefully sooner than the smoking caboose has taken!! :) )

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75851 From: poniaj Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
                          Gents,

                          From the O Gauge Railroading forum: American Flyer Polar Express Up Close @ World's Greatest Hobby Train Show 2015

                           

                          Jerry
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75852 From: mikenguy9 Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: s-fest

                          when is the next one?
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75853 From: alhbaker Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: LBR

                          My recollection was that he took himself off of eBay because he was upset with their fees.


                          I bought several things from him and was satisfied.  Then a year or two ago I ordered something (don't remember what) and he informed me there would be a delay.  Then another, then another. Then nothing - no response.  After 4 or 5 months I threatened to go public with my dissatisfaction and after some grumbling, I got it and a spare.  But he did his best to make me feel that he was really going out of his way to make me happy!    I haven't bought from him since even though there have been a few of his products that I would have liked to purchase.

                          Al Baker

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75854 From: Tom Detmer Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: Re: s-fest
                          The 2015 S Fest is in St. Louis from Oct 30 - Nov 1. Check out the St. Louis S Gauger's website. I'm they can provide more details.

                          Sent from my iPhone

                          On Feb 10, 2015, at 7:43 PM, mikenguy9@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                           

                          when is the next one?

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75855 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/10/2015
                          Subject: Re: New Blog
                          Look's great and hope you can manage to keep it fresh and active.  I've bookmarked it and will keep looking!

                          Bob Groh
                          Blue Springs, Missouri
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75856 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire

                          Here’s a couple more pieces of Berkshire info for you, as I’ve had these two questions asked of me.

                          The official word is:

                          a)      Each engine (and PE set) will include a FlyerChief control.  (So I guess a new category of collecting can become “Who has the largest collection of FC controls?” .)

                          b)      The Berkshire sets that were previewed in the 2014 catalog have been dropped from consideration.

                           

                          Doug Peck
                          Port Lines Hobby Supply
                          6 Storeybrooke Drive
                          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                          doug@...
                          www.portlines.com
                          Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only.
                          978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
                          1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
                          VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

                           

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75857 From: rxman46321 Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: Need scale wheels for SHS F-3

                          Does anyone have a set of scales wheels for a F-3B unit by SHS for trade with a hi-rail set?


                          Would take the scale couplers and shorting piece either for sale or trade.


                          Will cover shipping both ways.


                          John Griffin

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75858 From: Bill Clark Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: Re: Need scale wheels for SHS F-3
                          Hi John,

                          I have a set and would be happy to trade.

                          Bill

                          On 2/11/2015 8:27 AM, rxman46321@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                           

                          Does anyone have a set of scales wheels for a F-3B unit by SHS for trade with a hi-rail set?


                          Would take the scale couplers and shorting piece either for sale or trade.


                          Will cover shipping both ways.


                          John Griffin


                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75859 From: ac312 Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
                          Thanks to everyone for obtaining the correct dimension for the AF Berk !
                          Now to decide on which road name(s) to pre-order !

                          Don
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75860 From: paflyrman Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: Mis-stamped 660 Aluminum Combines

                          I seem to remember reading an article or post about the 660 aluminum combines that had the passenger doors erroneously stamped on the baggage end of the cars. If anyone remembers where I saw that I would appreciate a reminder on where it was. Thanks


                          Herb

                          paflyrman

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75861 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: Re: Mis-stamped 660 Aluminum Combines
                          You may have seen it on my website:


                          Or you may have seen it in the 1991 edition of Greenberg's guide.

                          On Feb 11, 2015, at 10:07 AM, hblanier@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                           

                          I seem to remember reading an article or post about the 660 aluminum combines that had the passenger doors erroneously stamped on the baggage end of the cars. If anyone remembers where I saw that I would appreciate a reminder on where it was. Thanks


                          Herb

                          paflyrman

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75862 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: Re: Need scale wheels for SHS F-3
                          am can sale you them shs f3 at one time are made by am for shs 
                           
                           
                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: Bill Clark billclark424@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                          To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Wed, Feb 11, 2015 11:30 am
                          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need scale wheels for SHS F-3

                           
                          Hi John,

                          I have a set and would be happy to trade.

                          Bill

                          On 2/11/2015 8:27 AM, rxman46321@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                           
                          Does anyone have a set of scales wheels for a F-3B unit by SHS for trade with a hi-rail set?

                          Would take the scale couplers and shorting piece either for sale or trade.

                          Will cover shipping both ways.

                          John Griffin

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75863 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: Re: Need scale wheels for SHS F-3
                          The reply was a bit vague but am I safe in assuming that American Models has scale wheels that will fit an SHS F-3?
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75864 From: rlgriggs@bellsouth.net Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: Problem uploading files in files section

                          I've had trouble uploading files I wanted to add to the S-Trains file section.  I was able to successfully add a new folder ("Using Red-Green LEDs in AF 720 switches"), however, when trying to "Upload" absolutely nothing happens.  Bill Porter uploaded my .'pdf' files, after I had sent them directly to him and others who expressed an interest.  THANKS, Bill!  Even though my folder is now populated, I'm concerned that I will have the same problem, later.
                          My questions to the Moderator/Group Owner:
                          1 - What am I doing wrong?
                          2 - Do I not have file uploading privileges?
                          Regards, Randy Griggs



                          Question 2; All members have the same privileges.


                          Question 1:


                          I have never attempted to place files in the files section. Maybe someone out there who knows how to do this can post a file telling all how to do it.


                          Thanks

                           Ed Eckert

                          moderator .

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75865 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
                          Hello,


                          This email message is a notification to let you know that
                          a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains
                          group.


                          File : /Example of uploading a file
                          Uploaded by : elgreatzot <wpporter@...>
                          Description : This time I am creating a text file with the steps. Next I will upload a file.


                          You can access this file at the URL:
                          https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/files/Example%20of%20uploading%20a%20file


                          To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
                          https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398


                          Regards,


                          elgreatzot <wpporter@...>
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75866 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
                          Hello,


                          This email message is a notification to let you know that
                          a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains
                          group.


                          File : /Example File.pdf
                          Uploaded by : elgreatzot <wpporter@...>
                          Description : A simple example file. It was created using Microsoft Word and then saved as a type PDF. More people can read PDF files than Word docs.


                          You can access this file at the URL:
                          https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/files/Example%20File.pdf


                          To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
                          https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398


                          Regards,


                          elgreatzot <wpporter@...>
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75867 From: pickycat95 Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: Re: Need scale wheels for SHS F-3

                          That would be the first I heard of it.  I have seen SHS stuff that was made by AM, but I believe there was some sort of collaboration involved. 


                          SHS then started their own manufacturing in China.  The F3s are from that effort and were NOT made by AM.  The engineering and tooling is way different and AM scale wheeled axles will NOT fit SHS gear towers.

                          Ben Trousdale

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75868 From: traindavid Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
                          This note from Doug P. is very disappointing, as the passenger set looked
                          really neat & I would think be a great seller--but then again, what do I
                          know?
                          Of course, I also think that using the streamline baggage cars and the
                          Heavyweight baggage cars as Mail Pickup action cars would also sell well.




                          b) The Berkshire sets that were previewed in the 2014 catalog have
                          been dropped from consideration.
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75869 From: Dale Minard Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: Re: LBR

                          I’ve been trying to get LBR to send me decals that I ordered and paid for over 6 months ago.  I get false promises of action via e-mail, no response to my e-mail, or no responses to voice messages left on their answering machine.

                           

                          Since I mailed them a check, I talked to my bank and they recommended that I contact the local sheriff’s department and make a complaint of fraud against them (LBR).  I’m thinking that, since the check was sent via U.S. Mail, that the complaint may be escalated to the federal level.

                           

                          But, between the holidays, a month & a half Christmas train exhibit at a local mall, building and outfitting two new modules for my club, getting ready for a local GTE this weekend, and keeping up with my yard work I’ve been too busy to call.

                           

                          Since all I’ve got scheduled for next week is yard work,  I’m planning on contacting the Goshen, Kentucky, Sheriff’s department to initiate my complaint.  If the members of this list are interested, I can post updates of my experience.

                           

                          Dale L. Minard

                          Vista, Calif.

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75870 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: Re: Problem uploading files in files section
                          1 Visit the Group home page
                          2 Click on the Files icon.
                          3 Click on the "Upload" button.
                          4 Navigate on your computer to where you have stored the file and click on it.
                          5 A pop up window will appear with the major label "Add File". It also has the name of the file on your computer and a text box awaiting your description.
                          6 Type your description into the box.
                          7 Verify that the "Notify members" check box is, well, checked.

                          In my case, I created the file using Microsoft Word because I like that. I saved it as a PDF file because most every system can read documents in the Portable Document Format than can read the various version of MS Word. It is more portable I suppose. Heh Heh.

                          By now, there should have been two group messages that notified us all that there are new files to read. There will not be a test.

                          Bill
                          Bill Porter
                          The Acreage - Florida


                          Question 1:


                          I have never attempted to place files in the files section. Maybe someone out there who knows how to do this can post a file telling all how to do it.


                          Thanks

                           Ed Eckert

                          moderator .



                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75871 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: Re: Need scale wheels for SHS F-3
                          Seems to me the F-3's should have included both hi-rail and scale wheels I just bought a Santa Fe F-7 A-B-A set and it includes both hi-rail and scale wheels.
                            Bob Lampe
                            Kalispell,MT
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75872 From: n6ojj Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: Need scale wheels for SHS SW-1
                          Does anyone have a set of scale wheelsets for a SW-1 they would be willing to part with (sale or trade)? 

                          I am also looking for a copy of the Enginemen's Operating Manual for the SW-1. 

                          Will cover shipping. 

                          --Dave McBrayer

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75873 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/11/2015
                          Subject: Re: LBR
                          I had a problem with a company in North Carolina (not a model railroad company) in that they would not send the merchandise I ordered. Their excuse was that my check had not cleared yet and it would be a few days more. BTW I sent a money order not a check. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and finally contacted the Attorney General in North Carolina then the Attorney General of Montana. I then checked with the money order company and was told that the money order was cashed on the day it was received by them. I got my merchandise after they were contacted by their Attorney General's office. They were not happy campers which might explain why the stuff was shoddy at best, Their excuse was the check had to clear. A money order is as good as cash......they do not have to clear anything....the money is there. My point is.....sometimes it takes drastic measures to get results. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do. I might add that in all the dealings I have had with model railroaders I have never been disappointed and hope I have made new friends.
                           Bob Lampe
                           Kalispell, MT
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75874 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/12/2015
                          Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire

                          The wiki page on NKP Berk #765 states its length is 100 ft 8 3/4 in.

                          That's 1208.75"  1208.75 divided by 64 is 18.8867"


                          So the AF model at 19" - 19 1/2" is pretty darned close if you consider the model is not as close-coupled as the prototype.   


                          Now comes the hard part... the wait.  And a continuing search for a Baldwin Shark set in S


                          Tim Benner

                          Jackson, MI

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75875 From: racin510 Date: 2/12/2015
                          Subject: Re: LBR
                          Good for you; do keep us posted. The one man show with the fancy corporate logo needs to be held accountable.
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75876 From: beebear Date: 2/12/2015
                          Subject: FW: 2015 Spring S Spree

                           

                           

                          From: John Clifford [mailto:sgaugeflyer@...]
                          Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:40 PM
                          To: undisclosed-recipients:
                          Subject: 2015 Spring S Spree

                           

                          Greetings fellow S gauge enthusiasts!

                          It is time for the next Spring S Spree to be held here in Dayton Ohio, on May 8th & 9th 2015.  We will be holding it at the IBEW union hall (6550 Poe Ave, Dayton) which we have used the last few times.  Easy to find, close to hotels and restaurants and I-75.  The plans are to have over 100 vendor tables, as well as two large modular layouts along with several smaller ones.

                          We are trying something a bit different this year and are making use of the emails that you have provided over the last several shows.  This will obviously help us to control our costs to put on the show.  I have attached our Spree flyer and Spree registration page which you will have to print, fill out and mail back in with your check.  We hope you all can arrange to come, we don't think you will be disappointed.  It promises to be a good time for two days, as all Sprees have been.  The show hours will be Friday 10am to 9:00pm Saturday 9:00am till 3:00pm.  Dealers can set-up 4:00 to 9:00 on Friday and/or 7:30 Friday morning.  The show runs Friday from 10am to 9pm and on Saturday from 9am to 3pm.

                          This year we will have at least 6 clinics, with the talk Friday evening on "How AC Gilbert beat Lionel with smoke units"  being given by Bob Bernard promising to offer some insights.  You may remember Bob's clinics from prior years where he discussed all sorts of A.F. history gleaned from his uncle, Maury Romer, a name you might recognize.

                          CLINICS
                          Alan Evans              DCC
                          Michael Mitter         Legacy Control (TMCC) and programming
                          Ron Deitrich            Buildings for the layout
                          Bob Bernard            How AC Gilbert beat Lionel with smoke units
                          Chris Burger            Converting a Flyer loco to a can motor
                          Alan Smith              Updating a 303 engine to a real front coupler


                          We will also have a Silent Auction (got an item to sell?), a free pizza party Friday evening, hourly door prizes, and a grand prize of $300 good for something new from American Models.  And speaking of American Models, they are making a unique, first time in S gauge, US Air Force tank car for our spree.  Sales for this car are already ahead of the USAF hopper we offered 3 years ago.

                           

                          Come for the trains, camaraderie, information, maybe the free pizza, but mostly the trains in our favorite gauge!

                          Oh a few of other items:

                          1. The email list is at least a year or two old.  If you no longer want to be on the list, please let me know.
                          2. This email can only go out to those we know of.  I am also sending out about 200 snail mail.  But PLEASE share this email with friends or club members that did not get this.  There is no guarantee I have them on the snail mail list!!
                          3. And I really tried to make sure there were no duplicates.


                          John Clifford
                          2015 Spree mailing

                          Bob Guckian
                          2015 Spree chairman
                          bjg@...




                          This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
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                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75877 From: Dale Smith Date: 2/12/2015
                          Subject: Re: LBR
                          I have never ordered from LBR, mostly because I resent his incessant advertising on this list.  I have even instructed my mail program to pull any messages from him out of the S-trains box, so I don't have to look at them.   When I looked at his "junk mail box", I noticed that he is still active.  When so many people report problems, the likelihood of something being amiss is greater and I think we become complicit in continuing to let him use this forum as free advertising.  I always wondered how he could offer to produce just about anything anyone wanted on apparent short notice.   Maybe he really can't.  Other parts suppliers have to consider the practicalities of making new parts based on potential market, minimum runs and cost factors.

                          Dale Smith

                          On 2/12/2015 1:00 AM, racin510@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                           

                          Good for you; do keep us posted. The one man show with the fancy corporate logo needs to be held accountable.


                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75878 From: Dale Smith Date: 2/12/2015
                          Subject: Re: LBR
                          I need to make a slight correction.  In looking at his latest messages, I noticed that messages for the last month or so came from the Available S Gauge List, not S trains.   If the moderators are rejecting messages from him to this list, more power to you.  Even if not, maybe he has given up on us and the annoyance is over, except for those who ordered from him and never received their product.

                          Dale Smith
                          On 2/12/2015 12:40 PM, Dale Smith wrote:
                          I have never ordered from LBR, mostly because I resent his incessant advertising on this list.  I have even instructed my mail program to pull any messages from him out of the S-trains box, so I don't have to look at them.   When I looked at his "junk mail box", I noticed that he is still active.  When so many people report problems, the likelihood of something being amiss is greater and I think we become complicit in continuing to let him use this forum as free advertising.  I always wondered how he could offer to produce just about anything anyone wanted on apparent short notice.   Maybe he really can't.  Other parts suppliers have to consider the practicalities of making new parts based on potential market, minimum runs and cost factors.

                          Dale Smith

                          On 2/12/2015 1:00 AM, racin510@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                           

                          Good for you; do keep us posted. The one man show with the fancy corporate logo needs to be held accountable.



                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75879 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/12/2015
                          Subject: Re: LBR
                          Hi Dale,

                          I am not sure if it has been 3 or 4 people complaining about LBR. Some have listed their complaints multiple times. That seems like about 1% of the number who complain about Lionel.

                          For decals, Dave prints them on his battery of ALPS printers. If he has the art work, it takes a few minutes at most. If you send him custom art work, it will take longer. That is the only thing I am sure he produces custom as ordered. I like it that he does not charge shipping on regular or custom decal orders. I have no idea what sort of inventory of decals he carries.

                          His multiple posts to the S-Trains list have been gone for a few months. Too many complaints and it looked a lot like SPAM. Since you have never had any business with him, it is probably not wise for you to comment on his business practices. You are quite correct to comment on his advertising on this list.

                          Bill
                          Bill Porter
                          The Acreage - Florida
                          On 2/12/2015 3:40 PM, Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                          I have never ordered from LBR, mostly because I resent his incessant advertising on this list.  I have even instructed my mail program to pull any messages from him out of the S-trains box, so I don't have to look at them.   When I looked at his "junk mail box", I noticed that he is still active.  When so many people report problems, the likelihood of something being amiss is greater and I think we become complicit in continuing to let him use this forum as free advertising.  I always wondered how he could offer to produce just about anything anyone wanted on apparent short notice.   Maybe he really can't.  Other parts suppliers have to consider the practicalities of making new parts based on potential market, minimum runs and cost factors.

                          Dale Smith

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75880 From: rudypenne Date: 2/12/2015
                          Subject: Re: LBR
                          Hi Guys, I had trouble with him also. It took me two years & my canceled check & my other payment from Paypal & a bill of sale from him, that I found to prove to him that I really placed an order.
                           I was told by some on this list, that he brings so much to the hobby, that I should just accept him & his way of doing things.
                           There is another group on Facebook that has members that are having trouble with him. They are at the point of lawyers & law enforcement.....This is not a matter of a few decals as was my case. They are talking hundreds of dollars.
                           To those that seem to get their items on time, I can see why you might not believe what this guy is up to. All I can say there seem to be more & more that do not. Mike in Ore
                          In a message dated 2/12/2015 3:49:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                           

                          Hi Dale,

                          I am not sure if it has been 3 or 4 people complaining about LBR. Some have listed their complaints multiple times. That seems like about 1% of the number who complain about Lionel.

                          For decals, Dave prints them on his battery of ALPS printers. If he has the art work, it takes a few minutes at most. If you send him custom art work, it will take longer. That is the only thing I am sure he produces custom as ordered. I like it that he does not charge shipping on regular or custom decal orders. I have no idea what sort of inventory of decals he carries.

                          His multiple posts to the S-Trains list have been gone for a few months. Too many complaints and it looked a lot like SPAM. Since you have never had any business with him, it is probably not wise for you to comment on his business practices. You are quite correct to comment on his advertising on this list.

                          Bill
                          Bill Porter
                          The Acreage - Florida
                          On 2/12/2015 3:40 PM, Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                          I have never ordered from LBR, mostly because I resent his incessant advertising on this list.  I have even instructed my mail program to pull any messages from him out of the S-trains box, so I don't have to look at them.   When I looked at his "junk mail box", I noticed that he is still active.  When so many people report problems, the likelihood of something being amiss is greater and I think we become complicit in continuing to let him use this forum as free advertising.  I always wondered how he could offer to produce just about anything anyone wanted on apparent short notice.   Maybe he really can't.  Other parts suppliers have to consider the practicalities of making new parts based on potential market, minimum runs and cost factors.

                          Dale Smith

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75881 From: Charles Hancock Date: 2/12/2015
                          Subject: Flyer reverse unit question
                          Greetings!
                          After all these years of working on Flyer, I finally had "it" happen. I broke off a finger holding top tab on the sidewall of the reverse unit.
                          Has anyone had a similar experience .... and worked out a fix for this problem?
                          Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
                          Charlie,
                          In W MI
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75882 From: James Lyle Date: 2/12/2015
                          Subject: Re: Flyer reverse unit question
                          Dallee 400 E-unit would be the best fix.


                          Jim Lyle


                          Sent from my iPhone


                          > On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:48 PM, Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                          >
                          > Greetings!
                          > After all these years of working on Flyer, I finally had "it" happen. I broke off a finger holding top tab on the sidewall of the reverse unit.
                          > Has anyone had a similar experience .... and worked out a fix for this problem?
                          > Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
                          > Charlie,
                          > In W MI
                          >
                          >
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                          > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/
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                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75883 From: James Lyle Date: 2/12/2015
                          Subject: Flyer E unit
                          DALLEE 400 E-unit would be best choice. $ 44.95 + s & h


                          Jim Lyle


                          Sent from my iPhone
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75884 From: snstrains Date: 2/13/2015
                          Subject: Re: Flyer reverse unit question
                          Just buy a new one. I and others have buckets full of them.
                          Steve
                          Boise
                           
                          In a message dated 2/12/2015 9:29:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                           

                          Greetings!
                          After all these years of working on Flyer, I finally had "it" happen. I broke off a finger holding top tab on the sidewall of the reverse unit.
                          Has anyone had a similar experience .... and worked out a fix for this problem?
                          Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
                          Charlie,
                          In W MI

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75885 From: snstrains Date: 2/13/2015
                          Subject: Re: Flyer reverse unit question
                          Amen to the Dallee
                          Steve
                           
                          In a message dated 2/12/2015 10:48:30 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                           

                          Dallee 400 E-unit would be the best fix.

                          Jim Lyle

                          Sent from my iPhone

                          > On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:48 PM, Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                          >
                          > Greetings!
                          > After all these years of working on Flyer, I finally had "it" happen. I broke off a finger holding top tab on the sidewall of the reverse unit.
                          > Has anyone had a similar experience .... and worked out a fix for this problem?
                          > Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
                          > Charlie,
                          > In W MI
                          >
                          >
                          > ------------------------------------
                          > Posted by: Charles Hancock <charles_hancock@...>
                          > ------------------------------------
                          >
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                          > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/
                          > ------------------------------------
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                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75886 From: Papa Date: 2/13/2015
                          Subject: Re: Flyer reverse unit question
                          Dave,
                          Perhaps a drop of solder?
                          Don Abrams
                          P.S. I ordered a C & O Berkshire for my roster!
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75887 From: poniaj Date: 2/13/2015
                          Subject: Re: Flyer E unit
                          Go with the Dalee.  Much more reliable.

                          Jerry
                          Wayne, MI
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75888 From: w7ts Date: 2/13/2015
                          Subject: Large lot of American Flyer items.

                          First of all, I used to be a member of this list, but sometime ago I left when I lost interest in model trains.

                           

                          About 15 years or so ago, I decided to resurrect my boyhood hobby of American flyer trains.  I rapidly acquired way more items than I intended to.  Worse yet I lost interest before I set any of it up.   These items are now packed in trunks and boxes in our basement.  I am starting to look though them to see what is there, because we are preparing to move to the Pacific northwest.  However, because we are moving, I do not have time to inventory the lot.. I know there are locomotives, a lot of rolling stock, accessories, and track, switches etc.

                           

                          This is what I am hoping for:

                           

                          Someone who wants to purchase the whole lot at a price low enough to insure that the buyer will be able to make a decent profit if they chose to sell it piece by piece.  I am no longer familiar with the pricing so this transaction will be a matter of two way trust.

                           

                          Shipping is out of the question.  Contact me via email first to get my contact info and to arrange to see the stuff.  I am located in Longmont, CO.  If you don't know where that is, chances are you are too far away. ;<)

                           

                          Ken Kinyon

                          w7ts@...

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75889 From: Mark Kiner Date: 2/13/2015
                          Subject: Northern Pacific PA-1 6-49602 Passenger for sale
                          I test ran this for about 15 minutes when I first got it as it was planned to make it to the layout and I wanted to make sure it actually worked. I packed it up, and it has been in the boxes ever since.

                          There is not a blemish on it I can see, and the boxes are in nice shape. This is a large set

                          ABA + 5 coaches. I also have 2 add-on coaches.

                          this will cost about 50 bucks to ship and insure by my calculations.

                          Anyone on this group want it for 575 shipped?  this is 100 bucks under the cheapest one on ebay.

                          Mark
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75890 From: Mark Kiner Date: 2/13/2015
                          Subject: Re: [AvailableSgauge] Northern Pacific PA-1 6-49602 Passenger for sa
                          BTW this price is just for the set and does not include the 2 add on cars.

                          From: "Mark Kiner robbe_wan@... [AvailableSgauge]" <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>
                          To: S-trains List <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; Sgauge Available <availablesgauge@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 3:18 PM
                          Subject: [AvailableSgauge] Northern Pacific PA-1 6-49602 Passenger for sale

                           
                          I test ran this for about 15 minutes when I first got it as it was planned to make it to the layout and I wanted to make sure it actually worked. I packed it up, and it has been in the boxes ever since.

                          There is not a blemish on it I can see, and the boxes are in nice shape. This is a large set

                          ABA + 5 coaches. I also have 2 add-on coaches.

                          this will cost about 50 bucks to ship and insure by my calculations.

                          Anyone on this group want it for 575 shipped?  this is 100 bucks under the cheapest one on ebay.

                          Mark


                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75891 From: Edward Musil Date: 2/13/2015
                          Subject: Re: Large lot of American Flyer items.
                          Hi Ken,
                          I live in Greeley and I have a large Flyer layout.  I am somewhat interested in your trains.  Do you know what the numbers are on your engines? 
                          Thanks!
                          Ed Musil
                          970 330 8297


                          From: "w7ts@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:22 PM
                          Subject: [S-Trains] Large lot of American Flyer items.

                           
                          First of all, I used to be a member of this list, but sometime ago I left when I lost interest in model trains.
                           
                          About 15 years or so ago, I decided to resurrect my boyhood hobby of American flyer trains.  I rapidly acquired way more items than I intended to.  Worse yet I lost interest before I set any of it up.   These items are now packed in trunks and boxes in our basement.  I am starting to look though them to see what is there, because we are preparing to move to the Pacific northwest.  However, because we are moving, I do not have time to inventory the lot.. I know there are locomotives, a lot of rolling stock, accessories, and track, switches etc.
                           
                          This is what I am hoping for:
                           
                          Someone who wants to purchase the whole lot at a price low enough to insure that the buyer will be able to make a decent profit if they chose to sell it piece by piece.  I am no longer familiar with the pricing so this transaction will be a matter of two way trust.
                           
                          Shipping is out of the question.  Contact me via email first to get my contact info and to arrange to see the stuff.  I am located in Longmont, CO.  If you don't know where that is, chances are you are too far away. ;<)
                           
                          Ken Kinyon
                          w7ts@...


                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75892 From: Ken Kinyon Date: 2/13/2015
                          Subject: Re: Large lot of American Flyer items.

                          Hi Ed,

                           

                          No I’m sorry I don’t, but I would not expect to find anything rare.  When I was collecting, I was primarily planning a toy style layout.  I do not want to do much unpacking unless someone is here and interested.  If I do not find an interested party, it will either be donated or possibly taken with us and sold piece by piece on EBay.

                           

                          Regards,

                           

                          Ken

                           

                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                          Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 5:12 PM
                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Large lot of American Flyer items.

                           

                           

                          Hi Ken,

                          I live in Greeley and I have a large Flyer layout.  I am somewhat interested in your trains.  Do you know what the numbers are on your engines? 

                          Thanks!

                          Ed Musil

                          970 330 8297

                           


                          From: "w7ts@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:22 PM
                          Subject: [S-Trains] Large lot of American Flyer items.

                           

                           

                          First of all, I used to be a member of this list, but sometime ago I left when I lost interest in model trains.

                           

                          About 15 years or so ago, I decided to resurrect my boyhood hobby of American flyer trains.  I rapidly acquired way more items than I intended to.  Worse yet I lost interest before I set any of it up.   These items are now packed in trunks and boxes in our basement.  I am starting to look though them to see what is there, because we are preparing to move to the Pacific northwest.  However, because we are moving, I do not have time to inventory the lot.. I know there are locomotives, a lot of rolling stock, accessories, and track, switches etc.

                           

                          This is what I am hoping for:

                           

                          Someone who wants to purchase the whole lot at a price low enough to insure that the buyer will be able to make a decent profit if they chose to sell it piece by piece.  I am no longer familiar with the pricing so this transaction will be a matter of two way trust.

                           

                          Shipping is out of the question.  Contact me via email first to get my contact info and to arrange to see the stuff.  I am located in Longmont, CO.  If you don't know where that is, chances are you are too far away. ;<)

                           

                          Ken Kinyon

                           

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75893 From: aftrains4u Date: 2/13/2015
                          Subject: Wiring Lionel's 045N Gateman to S-Guage Layout

                          First, can you connect the 045N Gateman to an S-Gauge layout?  If it can be done, can someone provide easy instructions on hooking up the Lionel accessory.  It will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.


                          Bob    

                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75894 From: racin510 Date: 2/13/2015
                          Subject: Re: Wiring Lionel's 045N Gateman to S-Guage Layout
                          Simply hook it up as if a ACG crossing gate operated off a 697 Pressure Trip. There is a 697 on Ebay right now for $19.95 shipped if you don't have one.
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75895 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/14/2015
                          Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 16 February 2015
                          Attachments :
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                            When
                            Monday, 16 February 2015
                            01:00 AM to 07:30 AM
                            (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
                            Where
                            http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                            Notes
                            SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                            Group: S-Trains Message: 75896 From: Charles Hancock Date: 2/14/2015
                            Subject: Re: Flyer reverse unit question

                            On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:08 AM, boss31@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                            Greetings!
                            Steve, what would be the price on a "bucket" reverse unit, tender version?
                            Charlie
                             

                            Just buy a new one. I and others have buckets full of them.
                            Steve
                            Boise
                             
                            In a message dated 2/12/2015 9:29:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                             

                            Greetings!
                            After all these years of working on Flyer, I finally had "it" happen. I broke off a finger holding top tab on the sidewall of the reverse unit.
                            Has anyone had a similar experience .... and worked out a fix for this problem?
                            Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
                            Charlie,
                            In W MI



                            Group: S-Trains Message: 75897 From: snstrains Date: 2/14/2015
                            Subject: Re: Flyer reverse unit question
                            Using your drum and fingers $10. With my resurfaced drum and your fingers $15 plus $3 shipping.
                            Steve
                             
                            In a message dated 2/14/2015 7:06:05 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                             


                            On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:08 AM, boss31@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                            Greetings!
                            Steve, what would be the price on a "bucket" reverse unit, tender version?
                            Charlie
                             

                            Just buy a new one. I and others have buckets full of them.
                            Steve
                            Boise
                             
                            In a message dated 2/12/2015 9:29:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                             

                            Greetings!
                            After all these years of working on Flyer, I finally had "it" happen. I broke off a finger holding top tab on the sidewall of the reverse unit.
                            Has anyone had a similar experience .... and worked out a fix for this problem?
                            Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
                            Charlie,
                            In W MI



                            Group: S-Trains Message: 75898 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/15/2015
                            Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 16 February 2015
                            Attachments :
                              "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                              When
                              Monday, 16 February 2015
                              01:00 AM to 07:30 AM
                              (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
                              Where
                              http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                              Notes
                              SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75899 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/16/2015
                              Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: REX drivers
                              I have a putt that somehow got 'wrong' on the track and shorted out the pickup wire (actually burnt half of it off!).  I tried making another pickup wire, but it is somewhat finicky.  Any extra pickup wires out there for sale???
                              tx
                              Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

                              On 2/15/2015 23:24, trainsjeep88@... [S-Scale] wrote:
                               

                              Interesting.   Did Putt make wheels ?       Have a 0 6 0 and 2 6 0 from Putt and both are very finicky re clean tender wheels and track.   Do not run well on track that SHS and AM  run fine on without cleaning.    Stan





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                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75900 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/17/2015
                              Subject: LBR
                              I want to let  the group here know last week Dave returned the American Flyer trucks that were sent to LBR for all wheel power pick-up, an idea that did not work out. He also returned the prepayment that I had sent in Oct of 2013 for the trucks that were not converted. I am posting this now because after the post I made earlier, for not being able to get any communication from them,  that  he did contact me to tell me he would return my parts and payment, and I wanted now to clear the air.
                              Ray
                               
                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75901 From: gp4mikey Date: 2/17/2015
                              Subject: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?

                              Hello to all.  I haven't been an active modeler since I was a kid, but have maintained enough of an interest to always have a copy of Model Railroader or another similar magazine around.  Thinking that I might someday get back into the hobby, I still have an early 50s American Flyer collection that has been in storage for over 60 years.  It's now clear to me that I will not be using this equipment and I would like to to pass it on to someone else.  The problem is that I have absolutely no idea how to do this.  I am NOT EBay savvy, and realize that some of the smaller stuff might not even be worth shipping.  There are some larger items though that are in pretty good shape as the storage was always in climate controlled areas.  Can anyone take a few minutes and make a suggestion or two?  I live in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.  Thanks,


                              Mike Rieff


                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75902 From: Mike and Debra Vana Date: 2/17/2015
                              Subject: REX drivers
                              Piggybacking on to Rance’s post, are there high rail wheels (especially drivers) available for Rex locomotives?
                              I have a 2-6-0 that probably was built to the old NASG (or was it NMRA?) standards, so probably needs new
                              wheelsets as well.
                               
                              Mike Vana  Omaha, NE.
                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75903 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/17/2015
                              Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
                              Re: [S-Trains] What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection? Mike,

                              One  possibility might be to donate the collection to a model railroad museum or active layout.

                              I am a volunteer at Union Station Kansas City and we always welcome donations. We have a multi-gauge layout in 8,000 sq. ft. that includes five S-gauge loops.

                              The donation would be tax-deductible.

                              I imagine there are other opportunities to donate your collection. I mention Union Station because it is not that far from Cedar Rapids, we do have active S gaugers, and your collection would be on view for another generation of model railroaders and the public in general. We had 300,000 visitors to the Model Rail Experience in 2014.

                              Roy Inman


                              on 2/17/15, 12:07 PM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                               
                               
                               
                                 

                              Hello to all.  I haven't been an active modeler since I was a kid, but have maintained enough of an interest to always have a copy of Model Railroader or another similar magazine around.  Thinking that I might someday get back into the hobby, I still have an early 50s American Flyer collection that has been in storage for over 60 years.  It's now clear to me that I will not be using this equipment and I would like to to pass it on to someone else.  The problem is that I have absolutely no idea how to do this.  I am NOT EBay savvy, and realize that some of the smaller stuff might not even be worth shipping.  There are some larger items though that are in pretty good shape as the storage was always in climate controlled areas.  Can anyone take a few minutes and make a suggestion or two?  I live in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.  Th anks,



                              Mike Rieff


                               
                                 



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                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75904 From: Mark Speichert Date: 2/17/2015
                              Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
                              Mike a couple of ideas come to mind. One fine a good auction house one that uses a live auction on the internet. Or inventory your collection take very good pictures of all the items, decide what you want that is important knowing what you want, then put it out there and take the best offer. The auction house is going to take at least 15% of the total but you will have to do nothing. If you sell it yourself who ever wants to buy it will off 50 cents on the dollar. Even if you decided to sell on ebay that will cost you at least 18% when you add paypay. Hope this helps Hello to all. I haven't been an active modeler since I was a kid, but have maintained enough of an interest to always have a copy of Model Railroader or another similar magazine around. Thinking that I might someday get back into the hobby, I still have an early 50s American Flyer collection that has been in storage for over 60 years. It's now clear to me that I will not be using this equipment and I would like to to pass it on to someone else. The problem is that I have absolutely no idea how to do this. I am NOT EBay savvy, and realize that some of the smaller stuff might not even be worth shipping. There are some larger items though that are in pretty good shape as the storage was always in climate controlled areas. Can anyone take a few minutes and make a suggestion or two? I live in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Thanks, Mike Rieff
                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75905 From: calleytwo Date: 2/17/2015
                              Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
                              I would suggest most auction houses now take in excess of 20% - nearer 25. Alistair 



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                              Mike a couple of ideas come to mind. One fine a good auction house one that uses a live auction on the internet. Or inventory your collection take very good pictures of all the items, decide what you want that is important knowing what you want, then put it out there and take the best offer. The auction house is going to take at least 15% of the total but you will have to do nothing. If you sell it yourself who ever wants to buy it will off 50 cents on the dollar. Even if you decided to sell on ebay that will cost you at least 18% when you add paypay. Hope this helps Hello to all. I haven't been an active modeler since I was a kid, but have maintained enough of an interest to always have a copy of Model Railroader or another similar magazine around. Thinking that I might someday get back into the hobby, I still have an early 50s American Flyer collection that has been in storage for over 60 years. It's now clear to me that I will not be using this equipmen t and I would like to to pass it on to someone else. The problem is that I have absolutely no idea how to do this. I am NOT EBay savvy, and realize that some of the smaller stuff might not even be worth shipping. There are some larger items though that are in pretty good shape as the storage was always in climate controlled areas. Can anyone take a few minutes and make a suggestion or two? I live in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Thanks, Mike Rieff

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                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75906 From: Tom Detmer Date: 2/17/2015
                              Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
                              I might also offer that there is a tax deductible S Gauge club in Madison WI that would be delighted to receive any and all donations of AF collections. We are called S Gauge Wisconsin and our goal is to expand the public's knowledge about S gauge and model trains. We run trains at various nearby shows through out the year to educate the public about what model trains are, their history, the various scales although we are an S gauge group, and we provide an opportunity for kids of all ages to actually run the trains themselves at the events we attend so they can experience what it's like to actually operate model trains. If you will be in the Madison area we would be happy to help you. This coming weekend we will be running trains at the Mad City Railroad Show at the Alliant Center in Madison. Contact me off line if you want to know more. Tom 

                              Sent from my iPhone

                              On Feb 17, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Roy Inman rinphoto@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                               

                              Mike,

                              One  possibility might be to donate the collection to a model railroad museum or active layout.

                              I am a volunteer at Union Station Kansas City and we always welcome donations. We have a multi-gauge layout in 8,000 sq. ft. that includes five S-gauge loops.

                              The donation would be tax-deductible.

                              I imagine there are other opportunities to donate your collection. I mention Union Station because it is not that far from Cedar Rapids, we do have active S gaugers, and your collection would be on view for another generation of model railroaders and the public in general. We had 300,000 visitors to the Model Rail Experience in 2014.

                              Roy Inman


                              on 2/17/15, 12:07 PM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                               
                               
                               
                                 

                              Hello to all.  I haven't been an active modeler since I was a kid, but have maintained enough of an interest to always have a copy of Model Railroader or another similar magazine around.  Thinking that I might someday get back into the hobby, I still have an early 50s American Flyer collection that has been in storage for over 60 years.  It's now clear to me that I will not be using this equipment and I would like to to pass it on to someone else.  The problem is that I have absolutely no idea how to do this.  I am NOT EBay savvy, and realize that some of the smaller stuff might not even be worth shipping.  There are some larger items though that are in pretty good shape as the storage was always in climate controlled areas.  Can anyone take a few minutes and make a suggestion or two?  I live in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.  Th anks,



                              Mike Rieff


                               
                                 



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                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75907 From: alanstrains Date: 2/17/2015
                              Subject: Connect AM code 148 to Flyer switches

                              Anyone on this list found a good method for this connection?

                               

                                              Alan Evans

                                              Gahanna, Ohio

                               

                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75908 From: racin510 Date: 2/17/2015
                              Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
                              You don't have to do Ebay or take an advanced class in AC Gilbert American Flyer, but you do have to make a list of every item you have complete with numbers and your take on the condition it is in. Then you can put it out there for offers on the whole lot or sell pieces individually. You can probably sell it all to this list
                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75909 From: racin510 Date: 2/17/2015
                              Subject: Re: LBR
                              Too bad it took this much action for him to get with the program.
                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75910 From: snstrains Date: 2/17/2015
                              Subject: Re: Connect AM code 148 to Flyer switches
                              I remove the flyer pins and place a piece of solid wire up through the table into the space between them and solder it to both tracks. Then connect the wire to the track bus lines.
                              Steve
                              SnS Trains
                               
                              In a message dated 2/17/2015 6:11:29 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                               

                              Anyone on this list found a good method for this connection?

                                              Alan Evans

                                              Gahanna, Ohio

                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75911 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/18/2015
                              Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
                              I have a friend who sold his collection through a well-respected auction house and was devastated when he got a very small check. Auction houses don't work very hard to get you top dollar for your collection. Their advantage is that they do it fast.

                              Bob Graves
                              TheGilbertGallery.org




                              On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:35 PM, "alizoo@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                               
                              I would suggest most auction houses now take in excess of 20% - nearer 25. Alistair 



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                              Re: [S-Trains] What&#39;s the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?


                               
                              Mike a couple of ideas come to mind. One fine a good auction house one that uses a live auction on the internet. Or inventory your collection take very good pictures of all the items, decide what you want that is important knowing what you want, then put it out there and take the best offer. The auction house is going to take at least 15% of the total but you will have to do nothing. If you sell it yourself who ever wants to buy it will off 50 cents on the dollar. Even if you decided to sell on ebay that will cost you at least 18% when you add paypay. Hope this helps Hello to all. I haven't been an active modeler since I was a kid, but have maintained enough of an interest to always have a copy of Model Railroader or another similar magazine around. Thinking that I might someday get back into the hobby, I still have an early 50s American Flyer collection that has been in storage for over 60 years. It's now clear to me that I will not be using this equipmen t and I would like to to pass it on to someone else. The problem is that I have absolutely no idea how to do this. I am NOT EBay savvy, and realize that some of the smaller stuff might not even be worth shipping. There are some larger items though that are in pretty good shape as the storage was always in climate controlled areas. Can anyone take a few minutes and make a suggestion or two? I live in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Thanks, Mike Rieff
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                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75912 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 2/18/2015
                              Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
                              Robert,

                              I'm getting closer to thinning out my 3/16" O collection. I cannot recall if you said you did, or did not, want pictures of such items?

                              Dick Hosmer


                              On Feb 17, 2015, at 9:57 PM, Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains] wrote:



                              I have a friend who sold his collection through a well-respected auction house and was devastated when he got a very small check. Auction houses don't work very hard to get you top dollar for your collection. Their advantage is that they do it fast.




                              On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:35 PM, "alizoo@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                              I would suggest most auction houses now take in excess of 20% - nearer 25. Alistair 



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                              Sent:
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                              Subject:
                              Re: [S-Trains] What&#39;s the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?


                               
                              Mike a couple of ideas come to mind. One fine a good auction house one that uses a live auction on the internet. Or inventory your collection take very good pictures of all the items, decide what you want that is important knowing what you want, then put it out there and take the best offer. The auction house is going to take at least 15% of the total but you will have to do nothing. If you sell it yourself who ever wants to buy it will off 50 cents on the dollar. Even if you decided to sell on ebay that will cost you at least 18% when you add paypay. Hope this helps Hello to all. I haven't been an active modeler since I was a kid, but have maintained enough of an interest to always have a copy of Model Railroader or another similar magazine around. Thinking that I might someday get back into the hobby, I still have an early 50s American Flyer collection that has been in storage for over 60 years. It's now clear to me that I will not be using this equipmen t and I would like to to pass it on to someone else. The problem is that I have absolutely no idea how to do this. I am NOT EBay savvy, and realize that some of the smaller stuff might not even be worth shipping. There are some larger items though that are in pretty good shape as the storage was always in climate controlled areas. Can anyone take a few minutes and make a suggestion or two? I live in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Thanks, Mike Rieff
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                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75913 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/18/2015
                              Subject: connect AM code 148 to Flyer switches
                              Alan,
                              S Helper made some adapters that were specifically made for this kind of transition. They had one side made like a rail-joiner and the other side had a pin that went into the Flyer track. I used these when I set up a temporary layout for one of our meetings at my home. I am not sure if I still have these but will look for them, one more search and rescue project.
                              Ray
                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75914 From: timstrains2000 Date: 2/18/2015
                              Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
                              1) Open up an eBay store and part everything out at high BIN prices. It will be a LOT of work and take a LONG time to sell everything, though.

                              2) Give them all to Stumpy. How much do you think you will get for them anyway; enough to be rich for the rest of your life? Just give them all to Stumpy and know that you have done the right thing.

                              ...Tim
                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75915 From: race944t Date: 2/18/2015
                              Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
                              As many of you know, I buy entire collections.  Unfortunately, Iowa is a bit out of my territory since I live in Virginia.  Generally, trying to sell piece by piece leaves you cherry picked and left with pieces no one wants.  After all, how many 630 Cabooses does one person need.  If you have a Facebook account, look for the American Flyer groups there and post your list.  The prior people who said “make a list” were dead on right.  Donations are always good to tax exempt entities, if the tax deduction will do you any good AND you don’t exceed certain limits.  Check with your tax accountant.  Look for train shows in your area.  Check trains.com as a lot of shows are listed there.  Look for a TCA division and ask who models American Flyer.  Visit TCA’s website to get some names.  Also, check NASG’s website for local contacts.  Generally speaking, expect about 50% of the full retail value is selling to a dealer, thus, a tax deduction can be just as beneficial.  Best of luck and I hope they find a nice home.  After all, these are toys and supposed to be played with.
                               
                              “Banker” Bill Clark
                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75916 From: Tom Detmer Date: 2/18/2015
                              Subject: Re: connect AM code 148 to Flyer switches
                              I have done exactly as Ray has described i.e. used the SHS adaptors to join AM track to Flyer. There is a slight amount of tweaking to do due to slight rail size differences but it is easy to do and it works. The trick is to find the joiners. Tom

                              Sent from my iPhone

                              On Feb 18, 2015, at 7:09 AM, Ray Puls rpuls3@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                               

                              Alan,
                              S Helper made some adapters that were specifically made for this kind of transition. They had one side made like a rail-joiner and the other side had a pin that went into the Flyer track. I used these when I set up a temporary layout for one of our meetings at my home. I am not sure if I still have these but will look for them, one more search and rescue project.
                              Ray

                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75917 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/18/2015
                              Subject: Re: connect AM code 148 to Flyer switches
                              There is a method of connecting AM code 148 rail to AF track. I don't think
                              anything special would be required if the AF track were a switch. It goes
                              like this.


                              Take your hand-held motor tool (Dreml, Sears, or equivalent) and remove the
                              base and web - leaving the rail head - of the end of the 148 rail that will
                              connect, maybe back one cm, ¼ inch or about the length of an AF track pin.
                              Do this to the ends of both 148 rails. Use 148 rail heads as if they were
                              AF track pins, and make connection. Of course there will be a little bump,
                              but it shouldn't be a problem.


                              Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75918 From: daleminard Date: 2/18/2015
                              Subject: LBR Follow-Up Post

                              I posted a comment last Thursday (Feb 12th) about my intention to contact the Sherriff's department with regard filing fraud charges against LBR over an order I had paid for in June of 2014.


                              This posting is a follow-up report on what has happened.


                              I received an email from LBR last Friday morning saying that they had not heard from me for some time and had assumed my order had been filled.  They then offered to reimburse me via PayPal.  I thanked them for their offer, but request that they fill my original order.  Within an hour, I received an email agreeing to fill the order and a second email from the USPS Shipping Service notifying me that a package would be shipped to me from LBR on Feb 14th.  I received the package yesterday (Tuesday, Feb 17th).  All items ordered were present in the correct quantities.


                              Will I do business with LBR again?  I can't really answer that question.  They sell a lot of good S-Scale items that no one else does.  Perhaps I will.


                              Do I think LBR is malicious?  No; I think that they are poorly organized and need to figure out a better way to manage their business and track their orders.


                              Dale Minard

                              Vista, California

                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75919 From: snstrains Date: 2/18/2015
                              Subject: American Models track need
                              Our Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers club needs 16 pieces of 27" radius American models track to complete our new S-gauge version #4 of "Lookout Junction". Can anyone supply this?  
                              Thanks in advance
                               
                              Steve Blackburn
                              Boise, Idaho
                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75920 From: James Lyle Date: 2/18/2015
                              Subject: Re: American Models track need
                              Steve

                              I should have a circle here, new.  Will check in the morrow.

                              Jim Lyle

                              Sent from my iPhone

                              On Feb 18, 2015, at 4:42 PM, boss31@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                              Our Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers club needs 16 pieces of 27" radius American models track to complete our new S-gauge version #4 of "Lookout Junction". Can anyone supply this?  
                              Thanks in advance
                               
                              Steve Blackburn
                              Boise, Idaho
                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75921 From: racin510 Date: 2/19/2015
                              Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
                              Sounds like there may be some hope here. I think LBR is dependent on others to actually produce a lot of the goods. There's not a lot of money in this stuff so his control over their production is pretty limited, especially since he over extended his product line to the point of not being able to keep up with, or keep track of, orders or apparently even book keeping. A good lesson in PR here.
                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75922 From: fmoshenri88 Date: 2/19/2015
                              Subject: AF 771 Cattle Stockyard Cows

                              I have cows that need their pads replaced. Was wondering what options there are out 

                              there in the way of working material and which is best. Thanks: Hank from 1941

                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75923 From: David Woods Date: 2/19/2015
                              Subject: Re: AF 771 Cattle Stockyard Cows

                              Take a look at Chapter 8, pp 57-58 in Tom Baker’s book “S-Gauge Operating and Repair Guide” Third Edition.  He describes the use of Shu- Line paint pad material to replace the pads on the stockyard cows.  It is important to get the angle slant of the material correct for the brown and black cows, which are different.

                               

                               

                              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                              Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 9:48 AM
                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: [S-Trains] AF 771 Cattle Stockyard Cows

                               

                               

                              I have cows that need their pads replaced. Was wondering what options there are out 

                              there in the way of working material and which is best. Thanks: Hank from 1941

                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75924 From: Jim Armstrong Date: 2/19/2015
                              Subject: Re: What's the best way to dispose of an old AF collection?
                              I was in a similar position, moving locally but downsizing. I’m the Phoenix area, and I happened across a fellow Flyer hobbyist who has sold others' collections on eBay.
                              I made his acquaintance at a meeting of a local S-gauge Flyer group as I made enquiries about how to proceed.


                              That suggests another possible approach, which I am not recommending, …just mentioning as a possibility.
                              At least in the Phoenix area, there are consignment antique sellers who sell on eBay as a service.
                              Perhaps local auction houses would offer similar services? Try Googling “ebay consignment” and your city name. Proceed with caution from there, though (Yelp might help you avoid the bad ones).


                              Expect the charge for doing so might amount to 25-40 percent. I would think there are two key issues (aside from integrity).
                              It would be important that they had the ability to recognize and adequately describe and photograph the items.
                              Also, their success or willingness would depend somewhat on the overall quality of the offerings - by that I mean that there might be little interest in part of the holding that is junkers or parts.


                              This hobbyist-seller situation worked astonishingly well and was ever so welcome.
                              But it was probably pretty unique with respect to knowledge of the items being sold.
                              So I just offer this as the solution I arrived (unexpectedly) at.
                              [I did move and store stuff for a while while I sorted this all out.]
                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75925 From: snstrains Date: 2/19/2015
                              Subject: Re: AF 771 Cattle Stockyard Cows
                              I haven't found anything that works as good as the original, but mohair is pretty good. Port Lines Hobby has it. I don't know any other venders that do, but I'm sure there are some.
                               
                              Steve Blackburn
                              Boise, Idaho
                               
                              In a message dated 2/19/2015 9:34:47 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                               

                              I have cows that need their pads replaced. Was wondering what options there are out 

                              there in the way of working material and which is best. Thanks: Hank from 1941

                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75926 From: daleminard Date: 2/19/2015
                              Subject: S Scale Decals for the M&StL Railroad

                              Does anyone have a source for wet decals for the  M&StL Railroad?  Jerry Glow is going out of business and I can't seem to get a hold of Oddballs Decals.


                              Dale Minard

                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75927 From: alan Date: 2/19/2015
                              Subject: Hi rail trucks
                              To all,

                              YOU might like to check out my new 2015 HI -rail Ficus Trucks {Tm}.   I'm not trying to sell them via this platform - but to advise they can be obtained.  U can contact me off the site should U have any questions.  I warrant them for life against breakage - as there is nothing to fail.

                              These are steel - a heavier gauge than the original ACG.  The have inactive springs and openings similar to the real thing. They will accept the long of short axles. One nice thing about them they accept the original journal box covers off the link trucks.  They are commercially blackened not painted.  The KC attaches with a screw up from the bottom and as seen, it's hidden in the co-bore of the  KC.  There is no possible way for KC droop. The KC  mounts on  the centerline of the truck . They are also designed to move the KC closer to the car for improved appearance.  I mount them with something different than a rivet on all my custom cars, BUT riveting is in the design should one want to utilize that method.


                               Happy Railroading

                              Alan 
                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75928 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 2/19/2015
                              Subject: AF sitches and new track

                              All -


                              I'm thinking of going to one of the newer track systems on at least one loop of my layout.  Question:  Is either the new AF Fastrack or MTH S-Trax compatible with my old AF turnouts (switches)?


                              Thanks in advance,

                              Jim E.

                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75929 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 2/19/2015
                              Subject: Re: AF 771 Cattle Stockyard Cows

                              Hi

                              Ron Leventon has mohair for cattle plus sells a kit to show how to redo them  his phone number is 360 748 3643 he is located in Chehalis  Washington  also Doug Peck has mohair both places are great to deal with  black cows circle one way and brown cows circle other way good luck  Stan

                               

                              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                              Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 5:24 PM
                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 771 Cattle Stockyard Cows

                               

                               

                              I haven't found anything that works as good as the original, but mohair is pretty good. Port Lines Hobby has it. I don't know any other venders that do, but I'm sure there are some.

                               

                              Steve Blackburn
                              Boise, Idaho

                               

                              In a message dated 2/19/2015 9:34:47 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

                               

                              I have cows that need their pads replaced. Was wondering what options there are out 

                              there in the way of working material and which is best. Thanks: Hank from 1941

                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75930 From: Ron Inscho Date: 2/20/2015
                              Subject: Re: Hi rail trucks
                              
                               
                              is this connected to LBR in any way ? if so I will not be able to buy then .
                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75931 From: alan Date: 2/20/2015
                              Subject: Re: Hi rail trucks
                              To all,
                               
                              LRB buys my trucks as does Port lines.

                              Alan


                              On Feb 20, 2015, at 11:21 AM, 'Ron Inscho' roninscho@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                               

                              

                               
                              is this connected to LBR in any way ? if so I will not be able to buy then .


                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75932 From: snstrains Date: 2/20/2015
                              Subject: SHS track joiners to AF track
                              Someone here was looking for these a couple of days ago. Please contact me off list. I have 5 packages of them available.
                              Steve Blackburn
                              boss31@...
                              Group: S-Trains Message: 75933 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/21/2015
                              Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 23 February 2015
                              Attachments :
                                "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                When
                                Monday, 23 February 2015
                                01:00 AM to 07:30 AM
                                (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
                                Where
                                http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                Notes
                                SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                Group: S-Trains Message: 75934 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 2/21/2015
                                Subject: Re: Hi rail trucks
                                Is the price lower then am trucks?
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: alan alansmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Fri, Feb 20, 2015 11:36 pm
                                Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hi rail trucks

                                 
                                To all,
                                 
                                LRB buys my trucks as does Port lines.

                                Alan


                                On Feb 20, 2015, at 11:21 AM, 'Ron Inscho' roninscho@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                 
                                
                                 
                                is this connected to LBR in any way ? if so I will not be able to buy then .


                                Group: S-Trains Message: 75935 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/22/2015
                                Subject: Re: Hi rail trucks

                                WHICH AM trucks?

                                <<< Is the price lower then am trucks?

                                I have the FICUS trucks at $18/pair, including the KC.

                                Wheelsets and journal boxes are not included.

                                So I guess that makes the answer:  No.

                                 

                                Doug Peck
                                Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                6 Storeybrooke Drive
                                Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                doug@...
                                www.portlines.com
                                Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only.
                                978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
                                1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
                                VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

                                 

                                Group: S-Trains Message: 75936 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/22/2015
                                Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 23 February 2015
                                Attachments :
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                                  When
                                  Monday, 23 February 2015
                                  01:00 AM to 07:30 AM
                                  (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
                                  Where
                                  http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                  Notes
                                  SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75937 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/22/2015
                                  Subject: Re: Hi rail trucks
                                  I'm into scale so hi-rail trucks don't really appeal to me but maybe someone could answer a question for me. Does anyone make archbar trucks in S
                                                                                                             Bob Lampe
                                                                                                              Kalispell,MT
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75938 From: Mike Hayes Date: 2/23/2015
                                  Subject: Re: Hi rail trucks
                                  Bob,  Ace (Downs) was making arch bar trucks.  The ones I have are kits and of fairly good quality.  Scenery unlimited may still carry them.
                                  Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 2:57 PM
                                  Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Hi rail trucks
                                   
                                   

                                  I'm into scale so hi-rail trucks don't really appeal to me but maybe someone could answer a question for me. Does anyone make archbar trucks in S
                                                                                                             Bob Lampe
                                                                                                               Kalispell,MT

                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75939 From: thecitrusbelt Date: 2/24/2015
                                  Subject: S Gauge Layout Photos

                                  Courtesy of Herbert Alfred Mayer, here is a link to photos he took during Model Railroads Of Southern California’s Layout Tour #43. These including Bruce Smale’s S gauge layout in Ventura, CA:

                                   

                                  https://www.flickr.com/photos/mayer8ha/sets/72157650575588238/

                                   

                                  For Bruce this is an S gauge layout intended for fun.  As Bruce says, “The trains that run on this No Name line seem to enjoy the trip because they come back often”.

                                   

                                  In 1998 Bruce added a 13 foot x 22 foot train room.  The original part of the layout was built low to the floor to accommodate young grandchildren.  On the back wall is an 18 foot x 3 foot section with three tracks that run underground on one end.  On the other end one track runs under and one track up over and around. All these tracks head out to a walk- around 6 foot x 14 foot island. The tracks run around a mountain (Mount Smale, named for the owner), along a lake and a river. One siding has the circus train just waiting to unload. On the long section along the back wall is a steam generator plant with an Sn3 track that brings coal to run the steam plant.

                                   

                                  Other railroads share the room. Overhead are two G, two O, and two more S gauge lines to add to the fun.  Bruce says, “There is still a lot of work to do but isn't that what we do?”

                                   

                                  Photos of the other nine layouts from the tour are on this link:

                                   

                                  https://www.flickr.com/photos/mayer8ha/collections/72157650989425265/

                                   

                                  There are nearly 120 photos in this collection so be sure to have a look.

                                   

                                  Thank you, Herbert!

                                   

                                  Bob Chaparro

                                  Moderator

                                  Model Railroads Of Southern California

                                  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/info

                                   

                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75940 From: nnn0tjf Date: 2/26/2015
                                  Subject: 2-8-8-2 AF Early models

                                   I purchased a AF Y-3 (Norfolk and Western) last week from Charles Ro and it came last Thursday. I spent all that day trying to get it to accept DCC. When that didn't work I called Lionel and found out that the flu had shut them down. NO ONE was at work in customer service/tech. I use Digitrax, so I called them and Nate their techie and I spent 2 hours on the phone trying to get it to work.  I thought you might like to know that today when I talked to Lionel again they said that some of the early models had bad coding in them and they would not work on DCC. Initially they were leaning toward saying "sorry about that", but I just got a phone call from "Phil" and they are going to send me a return and do the necessary coding. Everything is moving at half pace with them, but I'll keep you advised. Hopefully this will be nothing but the  usual manufacturing burp.

                                   
                                  Kelly Johnson
                                  nnn0tjf@...

                                   

                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75941 From: Bill Clark Date: 2/26/2015
                                  Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2 AF Early models
                                  Hi Kelly,
                                  The Y3s have the hardware to run DCC but not the firmware. If Lionel is willing to load the DCC firmware for you that's great. Otherwise I can do it, having been set up by Lionel. 

                                  Sent from my iPhone

                                  On Feb 26, 2015, at 4:24 PM, nnn0tjf@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                   

                                   I purchased a AF Y-3 (Norfolk and Western) last week from Charles Ro and it came last Thursday. I spent all that day trying to get it to accept DCC. When that didn't work I called Lionel and found out that the flu had shut them down. NO ONE was at work in customer service/tech. I use Digitrax, so I called them and Nate their techie and I spent 2 hours on the phone trying to get it to work.  I thought you might like to know that today when I talked to Lionel again they said that some of the early models had bad coding in them and they would not work on DCC. Initially they were leaning toward saying "sorry about that", but I just got a phone call from "Phil" and they are going to send me a return and do the necessary coding. Everything is moving at half pace with them, but I'll keep you advised. Hopefully this will be nothing but the  usual manufacturing burp.

                                   
                                  Kelly Johnson

                                   

                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 75942 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/28/2015
                                  Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 02 March 2015
                                  Attachments :
                                    "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                    When
                                    Monday, 02 March 2015
                                    01:00 AM to 07:30 AM
                                    (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
                                    Where
                                    http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                    Notes
                                    SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 75943 From: nnn0tjf Date: 3/1/2015
                                    Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2 AF Early models
                                    Bill,

                                      I am not 7 years old, so I am having a problem with understanding "firmware" and "software". I am OK with hardware, but what is the difference with the other two?

                                    Kelly Johnson
                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 75944 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/1/2015
                                    Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 02 March 2015
                                    Attachments :
                                      "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                      When
                                      Monday, 02 March 2015
                                      01:00 AM to 07:30 AM
                                      (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
                                      Where
                                      http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                      Notes
                                      SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75945 From: Bill Clark Date: 3/1/2015
                                      Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2 AF Early models
                                      Hi Kelly, for this discussion, no difference. I needed to buy some equipment and get the necessary files from Lionel so that I cAn do the upgrade. Fred Rouse on the West Coast also can do it but only as part of a scale conversion. 

                                      Bill

                                      Sent from my iPhone

                                      On Mar 1, 2015, at 5:10 AM, nnn0tjf@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                       

                                      Bill,


                                        I am not 7 years old, so I am having a problem with understanding "firmware" and "software". I am OK with hardware, but what is the difference with the other two?

                                      Kelly Johnson

                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75946 From: Mike Leahy Date: 3/1/2015
                                      Subject: Frontiersman Box

                                      I am looking for an original box for the #20550 Frontiersman Set from 1959 or 1960.  Naturally I would like one in good condition.  Suggestions?

                                       

                                      Thanks,

                                       

                                      Mike Leahy

                                      Boulder, CO

                                      gmichael.leahy@...

                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75947 From: George Cohn Date: 3/1/2015
                                      Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2 AF Early models
                                      On 3/1/2015 3:10 AM, nnn0tjf@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                      > Bill,
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > I am not 7 years old, so I am having a problem with understanding
                                      > "firmware" and "software". I am OK with hardware, but what is the
                                      > difference with the other two?
                                      >
                                      > Kelly Johnson


                                      Many electronic devices have small embedded computers that make them
                                      work. They usually have a dedicated function like control your furnace
                                      or make your train do realistic things.


                                      The code to operate these embedded computers is usually stored in a type
                                      of memory chip called an eprom. This is firmware. It rarely changes
                                      but can sometimes be upgraded to add new features or fix problems.


                                      Software is usually code that can be changed often and is typically used
                                      in larger computers. For example Windows or Linux is software for
                                      computer operating systems,


                                      The difference between firmware and software is usually just the scale
                                      and purpose of the device.


                                      Think of it this way: Firmware in a dedicated device and software in a
                                      general purpose device like a laptop.


                                      George Cohn
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75948 From: americanflyer Date: 3/1/2015
                                      Subject: Re: Frontiersman Box
                                      Hi Mike I think frank makes the reproduction inserts for box I have seen them they look great if you want I can give you his number to call him great guy to deal with 


                                      Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone


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                                      From: "'Mike Leahy' gmichael.leahy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Date:03/01/2015 11:01 AM (GMT-05:00)
                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Frontiersman Box

                                       

                                      I am looking for an original box for the #20550 Frontiersman Set from 1959 or 1960.  Naturally I would like one in good condition.  Suggestions?

                                       

                                      Thanks,

                                       

                                      Mike Leahy

                                      Boulder, CO

                                      gmichael.leahy@...

                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75949 From: V & K Neimanis Date: 3/2/2015
                                      Subject: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not!
                                      I have both crossing gates as well as the danger bell with lights but
                                      beyond a single ping the bell fails to chime. I have bench tested this
                                      with variable voltages but with no success. My set-up will be on
                                      gargraves track using a Lionel 1531 controller. This infrared sensor
                                      works great with the crossing lights as well as the crossing gates but
                                      the chiming bell is a mystery. What must must I be missing here? Any
                                      ideas?


                                      V. Neimanis
                                      neimanis@...


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                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75950 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 3/2/2015
                                      Subject: Re: Frontiersman Box
                                      Would love to know more about the set box inserts. Who makes them and for what sets?
                                       
                                      herb
                                      paflyrman
                                       
                                      Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 9:18 PM
                                      Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Frontiersman Box
                                       
                                       

                                      Hi Mike I think frank makes the reproduction inserts for box I have seen them they look great if you want I can give you his number to call him great guy to deal with
                                       
                                       
                                      Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone


                                      -------- Original message --------
                                      From: "'Mike Leahy' gmichael.leahy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Date:03/01/2015 11:01 AM (GMT-05:00)
                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Frontiersman Box

                                       

                                      I am looking for an original box for the #20550 Frontiersman Set from 1959 or 1960.  Naturally I would like one in good condition.  Suggestions?

                                      Thanks,

                                      Mike Leahy

                                      Boulder, CO

                                      gmichael.leahy@...

                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75951 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 3/2/2015
                                      Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not!
                                      All I ever get is a single "ping" as well.  It's just a rod inside the solenoid that strikes the bell once.  It's not like the early Lionel crossing that was similar to a ringing doorbell.
                                      Jim E.


                                      From: "V & K Neimanis neimanis@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:56:32 PM
                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Chiming bell at AF crossings or not!

                                       

                                      I have both crossing gates as well as the danger bell with lights but
                                      beyond a single ping the bell fails to chime. I have bench tested this
                                      with variable voltages but with no success. My set-up will be on
                                      gargraves track using a Lionel 1531 controller. This infrared sensor
                                      works great with the crossing lights as well as the crossing gates but
                                      the chiming bell is a mystery. What must must I be missing here? Any
                                      ideas?

                                      V. Neimanis
                                      neimanis@...

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                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75952 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 3/2/2015
                                      Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not!
                                      When you use the 696 track trips with these, as the engine and car wheels run over the 696 trip it makes a bunch of very quick momentary contacts to complete the circuit.  So what you get is a rapid on-off, on-off, etc.  This makes the bells and lights "flash" rapidly.  So the bell goes ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, etc.

                                      On 3/2/2015 5:23 PM, jimensign50@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                       
                                      All I ever get is a single "ping" as well.  It's just a rod inside the solenoid that strikes the bell once.  It's not like the early Lionel crossing that was similar to a ringing doorbell.
                                      Jim E.


                                      From: "V & K Neimanis neimanis@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:56:32 PM
                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Chiming bell at AF crossings or not!

                                       

                                      I have both crossing gates as well as the danger bell with lights but
                                      beyond a single ping the bell fails to chime. I have bench tested this
                                      with variable voltages but with no success. My set-up will be on
                                      gargraves track using a Lionel 1531 controller. This infrared sensor
                                      works great with the crossing lights as well as the crossing gates but
                                      the chiming bell is a mystery. What must must I be missing here? Any
                                      ideas?

                                      V. Neimanis
                                      neimanis@...

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                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75953 From: James Lyle Date: 3/2/2015
                                      Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not!
                                      You might go to Dallee. Com, to Railroad Sound Systems, scroll down to Misc. Sound Related Instructions to Grade Crossing Controller with Bell
                                      Sound.   Need to find your circumstance & proceed.  IF it is the stock A/F bell, you can 
                                      "crack" it.  Then it's either a copper tubing cap or electronic sound unit.
                                      Jim Lyle

                                      Sent from my iPhone

                                      On Mar 2, 2015, at 5:51 PM, Daryl Olszeski jaytewilli@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                      When you use the 696 track trips with these, as the engine and car wheels run over the 696 trip it makes a bunch of very quick momentary contacts to complete the circuit.  So what you get is a rapid on-off, on-off, etc.  This makes the bells and lights "flash" rapidly.  So the bell goes ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, etc.

                                      On 3/2/2015 5:23 PM, jimensign50@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                       
                                      All I ever get is a single "ping" as well.  It's just a rod inside the solenoid that strikes the bell once.  It's not like the early Lionel crossing that was similar to a ringing doorbell.
                                      Jim E.


                                      From: "V & K Neimanis neimanis@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:56:32 PM
                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Chiming bell at AF crossings or not!

                                       

                                      I have both crossing gates as well as the danger bell with lights but
                                      beyond a single ping the bell fails to chime. I have bench tested this
                                      with variable voltages but with no success. My set-up will be on
                                      gargraves track using a Lionel 1531 controller. This infrared sensor
                                      works great with the crossing lights as well as the crossing gates but
                                      the chiming bell is a mystery. What must must I be missing here? Any
                                      ideas?

                                      V. Neimanis
                                      neimanis@...

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                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75954 From: nnn0tjf Date: 3/3/2015
                                      Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2 AF Early models
                                      Guys,

                                         For what it is worth dept.: When I called Lionel and got someone to speak to, at first their answer was that early models didn't have DCC and if I wanted it, there were two guys that could put it in, but it would cancel my warranty. After some push back from me, I was switched to "Phil" who took a completely different tone and said he would investigate the problem. About 30 minutes later, he called back and said it was a initial problem that they had a fix for and he was sending an RA to me. Needless to say I thanked him profusely, and the Y-3 is on its way to North Carolina. With the upset with the flu at the Lionel building, I can understand that nerves were a bit frayed by 2 o'clock in the afternoon. So if anyone from Flyonel reads this, THANK YOU !!!!

                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75955 From: George Cohn Date: 3/3/2015
                                      Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not!
                                      On 3/2/2015 6:45 PM, James Lyle WJJIM@... [S-Trains] wrote:


                                      > IF it is the stock A/F bell, you can "crack" it. Then it's either a copper tubing cap or electronic sound unit.
                                      > Jim Lyle


                                      It's a common problem for these bells to crack due to age. However, I
                                      have found small bells in the bird aisle at the pet store which can be
                                      used.


                                      They sound much more like a bell than using the usual 3/4 inch copper
                                      plumbing cap.


                                      George Cohn
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75956 From: V & K Neimanis Date: 3/3/2015
                                      Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not! (2)
                                      Thanks for all the input on my original message. I now appreciate the
                                      at the track trip 696 triggered the necessary momentary contacts and
                                      thus the chiming or flashing lights at crossings. Now, that I am on
                                      gargraves track many of the original clips are not functional and the
                                      infrared Lionel sensor works very well as an initial trigger for a
                                      passing train. Has anyone found or used some electronic alternatives to
                                      substitute into the wiring to get that momentary contact that the
                                      original track trip did provide.
                                      Thanks
                                      V. Neimanis
                                      neimanis@...


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                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75957 From: richs009 Date: 3/3/2015
                                      Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not! (2)
                                      As I think you've discovered, the intermittent signals provided by the old track trips were what made the lights "flash" and the bell ring more than once.  There were no circuits built in to those old devices to provide that function.  In fact, its always 'bugged' me that the crossing signals always had both lights 'flashing' at the same time.  As has been pointed out, there are circuit boards available to take a trigger signal like you'd get from the  Lionel IR device.  If you are into growing your own, Rob Paisley has a very nice website with circuits to do this, e.g.:

                                      http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/BellRinger.html

                                       

                                      Rob also contributes to this forum, so he may chime in (pun intended).  A Google search will swamp you with ideas.  The OGR forum http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com has several contributors to all things electronic, including this one.  And there is a yahoo group on this topic too at /mrelectronics (instead of /S-Trains).

                                      Lastly, there's always the Arduino (and its ilk) solution to take the IR sensor input and trigger a set of control outputs that would flash lights, lower gates, ring bells and slice bread...

                                       

                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75958 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/3/2015
                                      Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not! (2)
                                      Z Stuff sells them. The San Diego S Gaugers website shows them in action:
                                       <sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/videos>

                                      Scroll about halfway down the page.
                                       
                                      Bob Graves
                                      TheGilbertGallery.org


                                      On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 10:29 AM, "richs009@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                       
                                      As I think you've discovered, the intermittent signals provided by the old track trips were what made the lights "flash" and the bell ring more than once.  There were no circuits built in to those old devices to provide that function.  In fact, its always 'bugged' me that the crossing signals always had both lights 'flashing' at the same time.  As has been pointed out, there are circuit boards available to take a trigger signal like you'd get from the  Lionel IR device.  If you are into growing your own, Rob Paisley has a very nice website with circuits to do this, e.g.:

                                      http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/BellRinger.html
                                       
                                      Rob also contributes to this forum, so he may chime in (pun intended).  A Google search will swamp you with ideas.  The OGR forum http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com has several contributors to all things electronic, including this one.  And there is a yahoo group on this topic too at /mrelectronics (instead of /S-Trains).

                                      Lastly, there's always the Arduino (and its ilk) solution to take the IR sensor input and trigger a set of control outputs that would flash lights, lower gates, ring bells and slice bread...
                                       


                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75959 From: Tom Detmer Date: 3/3/2015
                                      Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not! (2)
                                      There are also the intermittent Z Stuff sensors that work.

                                      Sent from my iPhone

                                      On Mar 3, 2015, at 11:56 AM, richs009@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                       

                                      As I think you've discovered, the intermittent signals provided by the old track trips were what made the lights "flash" and the bell ring more than once.  There were no circuits built in to those old devices to provide that function.  In fact, its always 'bugged' me that the crossing signals always had both lights 'flashing' at the same time.  As has been pointed out, there are circuit boards available to take a trigger signal like you'd get from the  Lionel IR device.  If you are into growing your own, Rob Paisley has a very nice website with circuits to do this, e.g.:

                                      http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/BellRinger.html

                                       

                                      Rob also contributes to this forum, so he may chime in (pun intended).  A Google search will swamp you with ideas.  The OGR forum http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com has several contributors to all things electronic, including this one.  And there is a yahoo group on this topic too at /mrelectronics (instead of /S-Trains).

                                      Lastly, there's always the Arduino (and its ilk) solution to take the IR sensor input and trigger a set of control outputs that would flash lights, lower gates, ring bells and slice bread...

                                       

                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75960 From: traindavid Date: 3/4/2015
                                      Subject: ACG crossing bells (in the little house)
                                      These are a great accessory, but have a few design issues.
                                      1) the stamped brass bell oftentimes cracks. Cure is to take it out of the
                                      house, off the rivet and silver-solder the cracks. It is amazing how loud
                                      and clear an uncracked bell is!
                                      2) designed to be used with the 696 trip, which, as was mentioned earlier,
                                      uses the trains wheel flanges to send momentary power to the bell coil,
                                      giving you multiple rings.
                                      3) if you stop the train with a flange on the 696, you WILL burn out the
                                      coil! On one display layout I fixed up, I used an automotive blinker relay
                                      to prevent this--it can turn a constant on signal to an intermittent one,
                                      and by design doesn't do a thing to an intermittent signal because of the
                                      built-in delay. Think I used a 6 volt relay, as the light bulb load we use
                                      isn't enough to activate the 12 volt version. I had to experiment a
                                      little; the relay was a cheap, standard unit bought at a traditional auto
                                      parts house.
                                      I mention all of the above because it MIGHT be a way to use one of the
                                      modern detectors to run the bell. Would love to hear if anyone tries it!
                                      S'
                                      David D.
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75961 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/4/2015
                                      Subject: Re: Chiming bell at AF crossings or not! (2)

                                      Both Dallee and Z-Stuff offer “momentary” circuits for this purpose, as well as “non-momentary” versions

                                      The momentary would be used for things like flashing lights and bells, while the other would be used for things like crossing gates.

                                      We stock the Z-Stuff versions, and they are quite popular. Although we sell Dallee products, I am less familiar with their version.

                                       

                                      << Has anyone found or used some electronic alternatives to
                                      substitute into the wiring to get that momentary contact that the
                                      original track trip did provide.>>

                                       

                                      Doug Peck
                                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                      doug@...
                                      www.portlines.com
                                      Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only.
                                      978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
                                      1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
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                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75962 From: yorktown26 Date: 3/4/2015
                                      Subject: AF Smoking caboose
                                      Just got mine today from Charles Ro and followed all the instructions to add smoke fluid at an upward angle and I just can't this thing to smoke . If you blow air into the smoke opening with a pippette you can get several puffs of smoke but that's it.  It does hardly nothing on it's own. Any suggestions. I have not contacted RO or Lionel yet
                                      Thanks,  Frustrated in NY !!


                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75963 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/4/2015
                                      Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose

                                      I imagine that Lionel is using the same or similar smoke unit they have in the Docksider.  This is based on the Seuthe smoke units used by LGB from back in the sixties.  Bachmann and others use this design as well.  It consists of a piece of tubing standing on end with a heating element sticking up in the center.  This type unit takes up as little space as possible, is a very simple design, and is cheap to manufacture.


                                      Unlike the old American Flyer or modern fan driven smoke units, this type of smoke unit is VERY touchy of having either too much or too little fluid in it. Too much fluid "drowns" the element and it can't create enough heat to "smoke" the fluid.    This is a common mistake everyone makes when confronted with a Seuthe type unit for the first time. 


                                      Too little fluid allows the element to overheat and burn out.  Once they run dry and the smoke stops, you'd better stop the train right away and refill the unit or it will fry quickly.  If the instructions say "three drops" or "five drops" or whatever, use that many drops.  After you get used to the way the unit works you can experiment with the number of drops to get better performance, because  no two units of this type perform exactly the same.


                                      When these are fired up for the first time, getting just an occasional spit of smoke is common.  It takes time for the element to heat the fluid.  After a while, a nice thin stream of smoke will come from the stack.  After a few fillings, the unit will start up pretty quickly because there will be a residue of smoke fluid coating the sides of the unit that heat quickly.


                                      I first ran across these in the eighties when I was working in G scale and LGB was all that was available yet.  Having only had experience with American Flyer smoke units as a child before this, there was a "learning curve."  They produce too little smoke to be really good for locomotives, but should be just the ticket for caboose stoves and similar applications.


                                      Stumpy in Ahia

                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75964 From: racin510 Date: 3/4/2015
                                      Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
                                      Mr. S     One I replaced in my Mikado, on Carl's advice, puffs, belches, generally smokes great for a steamer. It is very critical to how much fluid is put in and came with a needle syringe type filler so that I can accurately put in no more than the .5ml recommended. When little smoke is visible add more or turn it off. I find it a bit amazing how long that little fluid actually lasts. And on that, I use only very light viscosity fluids in it and nothing works better than the Seuthe fluid.

                                      Rick in Seattle
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75965 From: yorktown26 Date: 3/5/2015
                                      Subject: AF smoking caboose
                                      Thanks, Mr. Stumpy for your thorough analysis and to Mr. Racin also,  Yes I put too much Fluid in and when I sucked some out using a pipeette ( If that's how you spell it) The caboose smoked better. Not a heck of a lot, but enough to look like a smoke stack from a stove. I believe the caboose is more suited to be parked on a siding on display, so you can visually monitor smoke output.


                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75966 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/5/2015
                                      Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose

                                      Rick, as I said, this type of unit's performance varies widely.  Since the Seuthe patent expired a long time ago, and they're simple to make, other manufacturers make them now too.  The Seuthe units are still the best, and their smoke fluid remains the best in such units, no matter the brand.  But again, there are a lot of others doing their versions of the original product.


                                      When I got into G scale in the early eighties, Seuthe was the only manufacturer of these smoke units.  They all puffed and produced decent smoke using their own smoke fluid and keeping the right amount of it in the unit.   Obviously, Seuthe had done a lot of research and development when they created this type of smoke unit. I understand that there is a very fine tolerance between the element and the "shell" that makes these puff or just stream smoke. They have a wide range of sizes for different scale locomotives and a large unit for use in structures. 


                                      Seuthe units were well known in Europe long before we could get them here.  The need of a unit that could be made small enough for HO/OO scale and be inexpensive to manufacture seems to have driven the need for this design over there.  We Americans were/are used to the Flyer and Lionel smokers which produced more smoke than the Seuthe units.  But for a long time, Seuthe was "the only game in town" for some uses.


                                      While I'm certainly not against Seuthe type units, I'm still a huge fan of the old Gilbert smoke and Choo-choo system.  It took a lot of research and money to beat it with today's electronically controlled, fan driven smoke units and sound systems.  Lionel might have been the 800 pound gorilla of toy trains, but Gilbert had the best smoke and sound of the era by far.  It's hard to stack ANY type of unit up against the old Gilbert one for smoke production and puffing.....until the fan driven, electronically controlled smoke units came along.


                                      On the other hand I've never filled a room with smoke to the point of stopping the trains, or set off a smoke alarm using a Seuthe type smoke unit.  And the old Norfolk and Western would have loved Seuthe because most of their steam loco tenders carried signs facing the cab saying "Smoke is Waste!"  So it would be prototypical to say that your railroad's firemen are better trained in efficient firing of steam locomotives!


                                      Stumpy in Ahia

                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75967 From: sgaugian Date: 3/5/2015
                                      Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2 AF Early models
                                      I wrote in the OGR Forum a couple of months ago about whether there was an early run with the cab # 2009 N&W Mallet and possibly  a latter run of the #2020.  Someone quite authoritatively posted there in response that both had been produced at the exact same time, but the 2020 had been delayed from circulation due to marketing reasons to allow sales of the 2009 to take place before introducing the 2020 (for people who had missed the 2009 or wanted a second cab number to double-header with the 2009).  Now it seems Lionel mentioned an "early" run to you.  Which is it?  Thanks.
                                       
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75968 From: dphobbies Date: 3/5/2015
                                      Subject: New S Scale Loco Kit Meet and Greet in Des Plaines March 15th

                                      Besides Mike Calvert from the UK having his U18B at the March 15th Meet and Greet, Glenn Guerra, Editor of the S Scale ezine S Scale Resource, and manufacturer of Mullet River Model Works S Scale caboose bodies will be on hand to further photograph the U18 and meet with local S Scalers.  There will be an operating U18, powered by American Models as well.  You may prod Mike and Glenn for future S Scale projects or just bs with fellow S Scalers


                                      Since some indicated they may be travelling a bit of a distance, I have asked a couple local S Scalers here in Des Plaines if they would open their layouts for visitors that day.  So far we have a tentative yes from one.  His layout is a point to point industrial layout sporting over 50 scratchbuilt turnouts using Fastrack jigs.  I have not heard back from the other gent yet, but I am keeping my fingers crossed.


                                      The fun starts at 3:00.  Still serving refreshments.


                                      Ron Sebastian

                                      Des Plaines Hobbies

                                      1524 Lee Street

                                      Des Plaines, IL 60018

                                      1-847-297-2118

                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75969 From: V & K Neimanis Date: 3/5/2015
                                      Subject: Re: ACG crossing bells (in the little house)
                                      David's suggestion to use a 6 volt car flasher for crossings works!
                                      However, it only worked for the flashing lights, unfortunately, it
                                      remained silent on the chimes.
                                      Thanks for that idea!
                                      V


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                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75970 From: Tom Date: 3/5/2015
                                      Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
                                      I received my AF smoking caboose today and was prepared to test it out as others have done on this list.  Unfortunately I ran into an immediate problem because the smoke stack does not come off the caboose and the instructions say to pull off the smoke stack to fill the smoke unit.  The instructions say to pull the smoke stack straight up.  I tried this several times and pulled really hard.  I had another person try it.  Bottom line is that the smoke stack does not budge.  There is no give at all.  I don’t want to break the caboose before even trying it.  Has anyone else had a problem removing the smoke stack and if so what did you do to remove it?  Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to proceed without breaking the caboose?  The stack seems to be so firmly attached it’s like it’s glued on the caboose.  Any ideas would be appreciated as I am at a loss about how to proceed without breaking the unit.

                                      Tom


                                      On Mar 5, 2015, at 7:44 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                      Rick, as I said, this type of unit's performance varies widely.  Since the Seuthe patent expired a long time ago, and they're simple to make, other manufacturers make them now too.  The Seuthe units are still the best, and their smoke fluid remains the best in such units, no matter the brand.  But again, there are a lot of others doing their versions of the original product.


                                      When I got into G scale in the early eighties, Seuthe was the only manufacturer of these smoke units.  They all puffed and produced decent smoke using their own smoke fluid and keeping the right amount of it in the unit.   Obviously, Seuthe had done a lot of research and development when they created this type of smoke unit. I understand that there is a very fine tolerance between the element and the "shell" that makes these puff or just stream smoke. They have a wide range of sizes for different scale locomotives and a large unit for use in structures.  


                                      Seuthe units were well known in Europe long before we could get them here.  The need of a unit that could be made small enough for HO/OO scale and be inexpensive to manufacture seems to have driven the need for this design over there.  We Americans were/are used to the Flyer and Lionel smokers which produced more smoke than the Seuthe units.  But for a long time, Seuthe was "the only game in town" for some uses.


                                      While I'm certainly not against Seuthe type units, I'm still a huge fan of the old Gilbert smoke and Choo-choo system.  It took a lot of research and money to beat it with today's electronically controlled, fan driven smoke units and sound systems.  Lionel might have been the 800 pound gorilla of toy trains, but Gilbert had the best smoke and sound of the era by far.  It's hard to stack ANY type of unit up against the old Gilbert one for smoke production and puffing.....until the fan driven, electronically controlled smoke units came along.


                                      On the other hand I've never filled a room with smoke to the point of stopping the trains, or set off a smoke alarm using a Seuthe type smoke unit.  And the old Norfolk and Western would have loved Seuthe because most of their steam loco tenders carried signs facing the cab saying "Smoke is Waste!"  So it would be prototypical to say that your railroad's firemen are better trained in efficient firing of steam locomotives!


                                      Stumpy in Ahia



                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75971 From: afot7 Date: 3/5/2015
                                      Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose

                                      From Lionel


                                      The stack is in fact glued and does not come out. The instructions were copied from our O scale caboose manual. The stack was removable on our preproduction sample, but production of the model yielded glued stacks.
                                       

                                      Yes, put the fluid in the stack. It takes 1 ½ - 2 minutes for the smoke to begin being produced, then remains a steady, wafting effect, representative of a coal fired pot belly stove.

                                       
                                      Thanks,
                                      Mike
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75972 From: Tom Date: 3/5/2015
                                      Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
                                      Mike,

                                      Thanks for the information.  The instructions packed with the caboose say to take off the smoke stack.  Its too bad the instructions are wrong and don’t describe what the situation is with the product.  I wonder how many people will break their cabooses trying to follow the owner’s manual from Lionel?

                                      Tom

                                      On Mar 5, 2015, at 7:43 PM, ot7@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                      From Lionel


                                      The stack is in fact glued and does not come out. The instructions were copied from our O scale caboose manual. The stack was removable on our preproduction sample, but production of the model yielded glued stacks.
                                       

                                      Yes, put the fluid in the stack. It takes 1 ½ - 2 minutes for the smoke to begin being produced, then remains a steady, wafting effect, representative of a coal fired pot belly stove.

                                       
                                      Thanks,
                                      Mike


                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75973 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/6/2015
                                      Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose

                                      Tom,

                                       

                                      I suspect you just forgot to read the addendum note that says, “Broken caboose smokestacks can be repaired with Lionel brand glue”.   [ ;-)

                                       

                                      Jerry F.

                                       

                                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                      Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 6:30 PM
                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Smoking Caboose

                                       

                                       

                                      Mike,

                                       

                                      Thanks for the information.  The instructions packed with the caboose say to take off the smoke stack.  Its too bad the instructions are wrong and don’t describe what the situation is with the product.  I wonder how many people will break their cabooses trying to follow the owner’s manual from Lionel?

                                       

                                      Tom

                                       

                                      On Mar 5, 2015, at 7:43 PM, ot7@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                       

                                       

                                      From Lionel

                                       

                                      The stack is in fact glued and does not come out. The instructions were copied from our O scale caboose manual. The stack was removable on our preproduction sample, but production of the model yielded glued stacks.

                                       

                                      Yes, put the fluid in the stack. It takes 1 ½ - 2 minutes for the smoke to begin being produced, then remains a steady, wafting effect, representative of a coal fired pot belly stove.

                                       

                                      Thanks,

                                      Mike

                                       

                                       

                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75974 From: yorktown26 Date: 3/6/2015
                                      Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
                                      Hello, everyone. I thought that the stack was just stuck, so I put a thin piece of foam packing material around the stack and pulled upward from the side with a needle nose pliers. Do not pull up from the top as you will break the flapping smoke deflector. Lay the jaws of the pliers flat on the catwalk and approach from the side.
                                      I got it off. Just a minor mark on the stack.
                                       Now I realized that the picture on Page 4 had the stack opening on the wrong side. They want you to hold the caboose at an angle and then squirt up ( the flying Wallendas cought not get into this position LOL) If you flip the page upside down ( The page # 4 is now at the 12 O'clock position) , the illustration is now flipped and all you have to do is squirt down slightly towards the catwalk and you can fill this thing. I over filled it at first, and then sucked some out using a pipette and now it works.  Just a lazy  smoke stream , not a full blast like in the catalog. I used light smoke fluid (A1 Normal). I am going to hunt for some Seuthe Fluid to see if that works better.
                                      This caboose is best left on a siding as a display in a yard (to monitor the smoke) since it almost impossible
                                      to see when it needs more fluid on a moving train, the smoke output is that weak.
                                      Good luck people !!
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75975 From: Tom Date: 3/6/2015
                                      Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
                                      Thanks Jerry.  Wait - I forgot — Lionel brand glue is on order and won’t be delivered for three years.  It is available for pre-purchase though.  Then we’ll have to obtain a Lionel brand glue stick applicator…… :-)

                                      Tom


                                      On Mar 6, 2015, at 2:28 AM, 'Gerald Feldman' gfeldman2904@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                      Tom,

                                       

                                      I suspect you just forgot to read the addendum note that says, “Broken caboose smokestacks can be repaired with Lionel brand glue”.   [ ;-)

                                       

                                      Jerry F.

                                       

                                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] 
                                      Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 6:30 PM
                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Smoking Caboose

                                       

                                        

                                      Mike,

                                       

                                      Thanks for the information.  The instructions packed with the caboose say to take off the smoke stack.  Its too bad the instructions are wrong and don’t describe what the situation is with the product.  I wonder how many people will break their cabooses trying to follow the owner’s manual from Lionel?

                                       

                                      Tom

                                       

                                      On Mar 5, 2015, at 7:43 PM, ot7@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                       

                                       

                                      From Lionel

                                       

                                      The stack is in fact glued and does not come out. The instructions were copied from our O scale caboose manual. The stack was removable on our preproduction sample, but production of the model yielded glued stacks.

                                       

                                      Yes, put the fluid in the stack. It takes 1 ½ - 2 minutes for the smoke to begin being produced, then remains a steady, wafting effect, representative of a coal fired pot belly stove.

                                       

                                      Thanks,

                                      Mike

                                       

                                       



                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75976 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 3/6/2015
                                      Subject: 1:64 diecast vehicles for sale
                                      From the Greenlight "Hitch and Tow" series II:


                                      1967 Chevy Impala (blue) with tow hitch
                                      1974 Dodge Monaco (green) with tow hitch
                                      Small, enclosed, single axle cargo trailer
                                      Dual axle flatbed "car" trailer with ramps


                                      I bought several sets and mixed/matched tow vehicles and trailers. These
                                      are the leftovers. The Greenlight series can be seen here:


                                      http://www.greenlighttoys.com/395.html


                                      All vehicles $10 each or $35 for all 4. Buyer pays actual shipping.
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75977 From: Tom Detmer Date: 3/6/2015
                                      Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
                                      The cap swivels so you can get a straight shot of fluid into the stack. Let's see - the stack is glued on and the instructions say take it off. What could go wrong? 😄 Just keep some of that authorized Lionel brand glue on hand... 😄 Tom

                                      Sent from my iPhone

                                      On Mar 6, 2015, at 7:09 AM, yorktown26@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                       

                                      Hello, everyone. I thought that the stack was just stuck, so I put a thin piece of foam packing material around the stack and pulled upward from the side with a needle nose pliers. Do not pull up from the top as you will break the flapping smoke deflector. Lay the jaws of the pliers flat on the catwalk and approach from the side.
                                      I got it off. Just a minor mark on the stack.
                                       Now I realized that the picture on Page 4 had the stack opening on the wrong side. They want you to hold the caboose at an angle and then squirt up ( the flying Wallendas cought not get into this position LOL) If you flip the page upside down ( The page # 4 is now at the 12 O'clock position) , the illustration is now flipped and all you have to do is squirt down slightly towards the catwalk and you can fill this thing. I over filled it at first, and then sucked some out using a pipette and now it works.  Just a lazy  smoke stream , not a full blast like in the catalog. I used light smoke fluid (A1 Normal). I am going to hunt for some Seuthe Fluid to see if that works better.
                                      This caboose is best left on a siding as a display in a yard (to monitor the smoke) since it almost impossible
                                      to see when it needs more fluid on a moving train, the smoke output is that weak.
                                      Good luck people !!

                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75978 From: downtowndeco Date: 3/7/2015
                                      Subject: Looking for a huge background flat?

                                      I ran a few more sets of these warehouse castings. They are HO Scale but LARGE HO Scale, so they measure out to about 34' tall in S Scale. You get 6, each is 12" long. You can do 6'+ feet of backdrop with these. Great, old looking weathered brick detail. So far I've sold 3 or 4 dozen sets of these to S Scale modelers & they all love them so I thought I'd let you know they're available again. Cheers!


                                      Randy Pepprock

                                      Downtown Deco



                                      http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Huge-6-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3-Scale-structure-building-hydrocal-/400878895145?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d563e8029


                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75979 From: afot7 Date: 3/7/2015
                                      Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
                                      Attachments :
                                      From 3-rail instructions.
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                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 75980 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/7/2015
                                      Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 09 March 2015
                                      Attachments :
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                                        When
                                        Monday, 09 March 2015
                                        12:00 AM to 06:30 AM
                                        (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
                                        Where
                                        http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                        Notes
                                        SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 75981 From: traindavid Date: 3/7/2015
                                        Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
                                        My Caboose arrived yesterday too--big surprise, as I hadn't gotten any
                                        emails telling me it was being shipped.
                                        DO NOT follow the instruction booklet on filling the smoke unit! If you read
                                        it carefully it states that the smokestack is packed separately, to be
                                        installed by the new owner. Well, obviously that isn't the case as it comes
                                        already installed--and GLUED in. Note that the booklet is copywrited
                                        2013--from before an obvious design change. To fill, just tip the stack
                                        cover to one side and fill--and not like, as has been noted, illustrated in
                                        the instruction manual. Boy, for 5 years development, Big L sure got that
                                        manual wrong!
                                        Another observation; the on-off switch is a nice feature, considering the
                                        caboose will run out of fluid during most normal operating sessions, and it
                                        will burn out without fluid in it. But this just has a common-type smoke
                                        unit in it, what is the circuit board for? Didn't need them (circuit
                                        boards) in "the old days." Sometimes I think they over-engineer this stuff.
                                        Instead of spending all that money/time on a circuit board, just put in a
                                        larger reservoir for the smoke fluid and a more robust heating element! And
                                        why isn't there any smoke fluid supplied with the car??
                                        Well, it's nice to get it finally . Wish they'd go back to the previous
                                        design though, the one with the applied railing/ladders that had more detail
                                        than the one-piece floor/ladder version.
                                        Well, the video I saw of the pre-production Polar Express sure looked
                                        impressive, now to see (finally !) what they look like, maybe next month???
                                        S'
                                        David D.
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 75982 From: Art Cooper Date: 3/7/2015
                                        Subject: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
                                        Hi There
                                         
                                        Hope that all is good and that the snow is not too deep
                                         
                                        We have been able to build our first permanent layout, thanks in no small part by the inspiration and guidance of the S-Trains family and several individuals when it came to parts including Fred Jester, Doug Peck, Tom Seccia, Steve Blackburn, Joe Haenn, and Frank Timko. I have prepared a short video showing our layout in its present form which can be viewed on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3AAwLGSixQ 
                                         
                                        Some items my brothers and I received as children but most items have been acquired, a few pieces at a time, over the last 8 years.
                                         
                                        As to future plans on the layout, we want to add some more items/details and then want to build an elevated track/level.
                                         
                                        Your comments and suggestions are welcome, as always.
                                         
                                        Thanks again for everything.
                                         
                                        Best Regards to All
                                         
                                        Art Cooper
                                        North Texas, USA
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 75983 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/8/2015
                                        Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 09 March 2015
                                        Attachments :
                                          "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                          When
                                          Monday, 09 March 2015
                                          12:00 AM to 06:30 AM
                                          (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
                                          Where
                                          http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                          Notes
                                          SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75984 From: racin510 Date: 3/8/2015
                                          Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
                                          It may need the circuit board to regulate voltage from 18  volts on track to something like 5-6 volts to operate the Seuthe unit? So do these things smoke OK when used with classic Flyer running between 11 and 14 volts or do they not smoke at all?
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75985 From: Richard Falzini Date: 3/9/2015
                                          Subject: uncataloged train sets
                                          Can someone provide me a list of un cataloged train sets built by Gilbert between 1946-1966?

                                          Thanks
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75986 From: Don Rosa Date: 3/9/2015
                                          Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
                                          Not much, if any, has been said about the damage caused by the ill fitting clamshell for boxcars and cabooses. This has been going on for about 3 years. For some reason, there is a resistance to correct the problem even though the company is aware of the problem.  Even limited edition convention cars are not exempt. All that is needed is a protective piece of tissue paper or plastic wrap. It has become so noticeable, I am not buying any more of their product. When I buy something new, I expect it to be that way.

                                          Don R
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75987 From: snstrains Date: 3/9/2015
                                          Subject: Re: uncataloged train sets
                                          There are a lot of them. "The most collectible" of them are published in the TM books from 2000 and 2012.
                                           
                                          Steve Blackburn
                                          Boise, Idaho
                                           
                                          In a message dated 3/9/2015 12:42:20 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                           

                                          Can someone provide me a list of un cataloged train sets built by Gilbert between 1946-1966?

                                          Thanks

                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75988 From: Tom Date: 3/9/2015
                                          Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
                                          Hi Don,

                                          I noticed when I unpacked my new smoking caboose that there was a slight amount of “scuffing” on the roof of the caboose.  I was a little disappointed that Lionel packed the caboose such that damage like that would occur.  I don’t know if that that’s the type of damage you are referring to, but it is unfortunate.

                                          I still don’t understand why Lionel didn’t update it’s instructions for the new caboose.  I wrote Lionel and got a prompt response that the smokestack is in fact glued to the caboose and it cannot (should not?) be removed without damage to the car.  I asked a follow up question about filling the smoke unit and was informed that the proper method of filling the unit is to use a pinpoint filler to drop fluid down the smoke stack and then blow briefly on the smokestack as you when blowing out a candle.  I used five drops of the Lionel fluid and it worked just fine.  Why they couldn't put that in the instructions or even include an addendum sheet to inform purchasers about the change is beyond me.

                                          Having said all that, I got my caboose smoking and it is not too bad.  As others have mentioned, it is not a strong puff of smoke like you find in locomotives.  I don’t know if that’s a result of simply using the Seuthe unit or if it is intentional because it’s a caboose and locomotive style smoking would be a bit much.  The latter is probably giving Lionel too much credit. I pulled the caboose behind my Docksider for comparison and the Docksider smoked really nicely - its quite acceptable - and the caboose definitely smokes less.  Someone mentioned that the Docksider also uses a Seuthe unit so if that’s the case, it smokes better than the Seuthe unit in the caboose.  I did notice that the caboose smokes a little better once it has been in use a while.

                                          Tom Detmer

                                          On Mar 9, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Don Rosa af2rail@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                          Not much, if any, has been said about the damage caused by the ill fitting clamshell for boxcars and cabooses. This has been going on for about 3 years. For some reason, there is a resistance to correct the problem even though the company is aware of the problem.  Even limited edition convention cars are not exempt. All that is needed is a protective piece of tissue paper or plastic wrap. It has become so noticeable, I am not buying any more of their product. When I buy something new, I expect it to be that way. 

                                          Don R


                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75989 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/9/2015
                                          Subject: Re: uncataloged train sets
                                          The best reference on this is Robert Tufts book "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."  He has things that even the hard to obtain Volume Three of the Greenberg Guide covering Sets doesn't.  There is a table in the back listing all sets, but the uncataloged sets are usually noted.  It is also indexed by locomotive.  Some of those non Gilbert Catalog sets made it to newspaper ads or Sears or other catalogs, though.  I also understand that there are some databases available that provide similar information.

                                          Dale Smith

                                          On 3/9/2015 12:30 AM, Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                           

                                          Can someone provide me a list of un cataloged train sets built by Gilbert between 1946-1966?

                                          Thanks


                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75990 From: James Lyle Date: 3/9/2015
                                          Subject: Re: AF Smoking Caboose
                                          LyingL changed the sound unit in the Lehigh Valley tugboat, making it essentially inaudible.  That also changed the wiring connections and the operation.  NOTHING in the instructions about that.  Had to contact Mike Reagan to find out what they did to save a few pennies, IF they knew it was going to be done in their name at all.
                                          Still nice looking, they just destroyed the value, without consequence, again.
                                          Jim Lyle
                                          Sent from my iPhone

                                          On Mar 9, 2015, at 5:05 PM, Tom detmer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                          Hi Don,

                                          I noticed when I unpacked my new smoking caboose that there was a slight amount of “scuffing” on the roof of the caboose.  I was a little disappointed that Lionel packed the caboose such that damage like that would occur.  I don’t know if that that’s the type of damage you are referring to, but it is unfortunate.

                                          I still don’t understand why Lionel didn’t update it’s instructions for the new caboose.  I wrote Lionel and got a prompt response that the smokestack is in fact glued to the caboose and it cannot (should not?) be removed without damage to the car.  I asked a follow up question about filling the smoke unit and was informed that the proper method of filling the unit is to use a pinpoint filler to drop fluid down the smoke stack and then blow briefly on the smokestack as you when blowing out a candle.  I used five drops of the Lionel fluid and it worked just fine.  Why they couldn't put that in the instructions or even include an addendum sheet to inform purchasers about the change is beyond me.

                                          Having said all that, I got my caboose smoking and it is not too bad.  As others have mentioned, it is not a strong puff of smoke like you find in locomotives.  I don’t know if that’s a result of simply using the Seuthe unit or if it is intentional because it’s a caboose and locomotive style smoking would be a bit much.  The latter is probably giving Lionel too much credit. I pulled the caboose behind my Docksider for comparison and the Docksider smoked really nicely - its quite acceptable - and the caboose definitely smokes less.  Someone mentioned that the Docksider also uses a Seuthe unit so if that’s the case, it smokes better than the Seuthe unit in the caboose.  I did notice that the caboose smokes a little better once it has been in use a while.

                                          Tom Detmer

                                          On Mar 9, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Don Rosa af2rail@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                          Not much, if any, has been said about the damage caused by the ill fitting clamshell for boxcars and cabooses. This has been going on for about 3 years. For some reason, there is a resistance to correct the problem even though the company is aware of the problem.  Even limited edition convention cars are not exempt. All that is needed is a protective piece of tissue paper or plastic wrap. It has become so noticeable, I am not buying any more of their product. When I buy something new, I expect it to be that way. 

                                          Don R


                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75991 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 3/9/2015
                                          Subject: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                          A question to the group.  How many of you would buy a second addition to Bob Tuft's  "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. - Volume II" ?  We have enough information to produce it and are still looking for any additional information you may have to add. This volume wiil have much more information on boxes, packaging, labels and advertising items.

                                          Harwood Owings
                                          Jack Fazenbaker

                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75992 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 3/9/2015
                                          Subject: Re: uncataloged train sets

                                          Hi Rich

                                          The books that dale referenced will give you a good start there is also Dan Olson of Olson’s hobbies who has for sale Murray Romers hand written list of both S and H.O.

                                          His e mail is olsonhobbies@... I think there are 4 different sets one for H.O. , Three didget sets and five didget sets and American Flyer train compositions  I can’t remember the price of each he may have them listed on his web site There are some gaps in the numbering system but I can give you an example or two

                                           

                                          Set 20132 trainset made for sears similar to set 9990 made in 1957 20134 Richie Premium set # 4 and Richie Premium set like 20134  dan is also a good source of reproduction various Gilbert permotional sheets, Hope this helps you if you have a specific question about a uncatalogued set please e mail me I do have a lot of data it’s just there are so many sets out there plus you have the sp sets which are Sp-1 thru SP set 14 you can find out information on those sets in Bob Tuffs book the almost complete list of American Flyer sets also there was something in the S gaugian not sure of year that did list them if you want them please e mail me americanflyer@...  hope this helps good luck Stan

                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                          Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 3:30 AM
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: [S-Trains] uncataloged train sets

                                           

                                           

                                          Can someone provide me a list of un cataloged train sets built by Gilbert between 1946-1966?

                                           

                                          Thanks

                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75993 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 3/9/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                          I'd be interested.

                                          On 3/9/2015 7:09 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                           

                                          A question to the group.  How many of you would buy a second addition to Bob Tuft's  "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. - Volume II" ?  We have enough information to produce it and are still looking for any additional information you may have to add. This volume wiil have much more information on boxes, packaging, labels and advertising items.

                                          Harwood Owings
                                          Jack Fazenbaker


                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75994 From: Sam & Peggy Date: 3/9/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                          I would. 

                                          Sent from my iPhone

                                          On Mar 9, 2015, at 8:45 PM, "HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                           

                                          A question to the group.  How many of you would buy a second addition to Bob Tuft's  "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. - Volume II" ?  We have enough information to produce it and are still looking for any additional information you may have to add. This volume wiil have much more information on boxes, packaging, labels and advertising items.

                                          Harwood Owings
                                          Jack Fazenbaker

                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75995 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 3/9/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                          Hi Please put me down for a copy and let me know what the price and what payment arraignments thanks stan

                                           

                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                          Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:09 PM
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                           

                                           

                                          A question to the group.  How many of you would buy a second addition to Bob Tuft's  "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. - Volume II" ?  We have enough information to produce it and are still looking for any additional information you may have to add. This volume wiil have much more information on boxes, packaging, labels and advertising items.

                                          Harwood Owings
                                          Jack Fazenbaker

                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75996 From: Frank Date: 3/9/2015
                                          Subject: Re: uncataloged train sets

                                          On Mar 9, 2015, at 12:30 AM, Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                           

                                          Can someone provide me a list of un cataloged train sets built by Gilbert between 1946-1966?

                                          Thanks

                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75997 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/9/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                          I would like “The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. – Volume II”

                                           

                                          Bob

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                          Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:49 PM
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                           

                                           

                                          I'd be interested.

                                          On 3/9/2015 7:09 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                           

                                          A question to the group.  How many of you would buy a second addition to Bob Tuft's  "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. - Volume II" ?  We have enough information to produce it and are still looking for any additional information you may have to add. This volume wiil have much more information on boxes, packaging, labels and advertising items.

                                          Harwood Owings
                                          Jack Fazenbaker

                                           




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                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75998 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/9/2015
                                          Subject: Re: uncataloged train sets

                                          Frank,

                                          Does one of the products on this page cover un cataloged sets?   If so, which one, the Production Lists?

                                          Dale

                                          On 3/9/2015 3:34 PM, Frank femiro2002@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                           

                                          On Mar 9, 2015, at 12:30 AM, Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                           
                                          Can someone provide me a list of un cataloged train sets built by Gilbert between 1946-1966?

                                          Thanks

                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 75999 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 3/9/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                          Its going to be a while until it gets finished



                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: 'Stanley Sobieski' americanflyer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 9:18 pm
                                          Subject: RE: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                           
                                          Hi Please put me down for a copy and let me know what the price and what payment arraignments thanks stan
                                           
                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                          Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:09 PM
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                           
                                           
                                          A question to the group.  How many of you would buy a second addition to Bob Tuft's  "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. - Volume II" ?  We have enough information to produce it and are still looking for any additional information you may have to add. This volume wiil have much more information on boxes, packaging, labels and advertising items.

                                          Harwood Owings
                                          Jack Fazenbaker
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76000 From: mike_fuschetto Date: 3/9/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                          Great, I use " The Almost Complete Guide " at least once a month and
                                          am always looking for more Flyer information


                                          Mike
                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: 'Stanley Sobieski' americanflyer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 01:04:11 -0000 (UTC)
                                          Subject: RE: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."


                                          Hi Please put me down for a copy and let me know what the price and what payment arraignments thanks stan










                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                          Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:09 PM
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
















                                          A question to the group. How many of you would buy a second addition to Bob Tuft's "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. - Volume II" ? We have enough information to produce it and are still looking for any additional information you may have to add. This volume wiil have much more information on boxes, packaging, labels and advertising items.




                                          Harwood Owings
                                          Jack Fazenbaker
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76001 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/9/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                          I would definitely be interested.

                                          Dale Smith

                                          On 3/9/2015 4:09 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                           

                                          A question to the group.  How many of you would buy a second addition to Bob Tuft's  "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. - Volume II" ?  We have enough information to produce it and are still looking for any additional information you may have to add. This volume wiil have much more information on boxes, packaging, labels and advertising items.

                                          Harwood Owings
                                          Jack Fazenbaker


                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76002 From: Mike Leahy Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: Almost Complete Set

                                          I would be interested in buying this book!

                                           

                                          Mike Leahy

                                          gmichael.leahy@...

                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76003 From: Bob Hannon Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                          Harwood/Jack:

                                           

                                          OMG! Yes.  That book, together with

                                          the 1988 Greenberg’s Guide To American

                                          Flyer – S Gauge,that you two co-authored,

                                          (yes, I still use that one) have proven

                                          incredibly useful over the years.

                                           

                                          MY SCENARIO: Fellow baby-boomer

                                          parents (now grandparents – HAHAHAHA !!!)

                                          looking to hand down their

                                          childhood trains to their kids (and Grandkids),

                                          one set to each of the grandkids.

                                           

                                          A pickup truck arrives, the bed full of storeage boxes,

                                          and everything jumbled together, complete with

                                          original boxes (some just flattened and stored

                                          in the bottom), and ... MULTIPLE SETS !!!

                                           

                                                      !!! GROAN !!!

                                           

                                          With a current IN PUBLICATION volume available,

                                          that kind of work would make a nice retirement

                                          project for a lot of people.

                                           

                                          Yes, I definitely will buy this book.

                                           

                                          Welcome back you two !!!

                                           

                                          Bob Hannon

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76004 From: bobville Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                          I would be interested in 2, one would have to be signed by those who wrote it.
                                          Bob Persing
















                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 19:09:05 -0400 (EDT)
                                          Subject: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."


                                          A question to the group. How many of you would buy a second addition to Bob Tuft's "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. - Volume II" ? We have enough information to produce it and are still looking for any additional information you may have to add. This volume wiil have much more information on boxes, packaging, labels and advertising items.




                                          Harwood Owings
                                          Jack Fazenbaker
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76005 From: lionely6b Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide ..."

                                          I would be a definite buyer. A second edition with updated content (and typos corrected) is sure to be a great resource. Suggest a somewhat more durable cover and binding than those for the 1st edition.

                                          Bob

                                          >> Mon Mar 9, 2015 5:45 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

                                          A question to the group. How many of you would buy a second addition to Bob Tuft's "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. - Volume II" ? We have enough information to produce it and are still looking for any additional information you may have to add. This volume will have much more information on boxes, packaging, labels and advertising items. 

                                          Harwood Owings 
                                          Jack Fazenbaker <<




                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76006 From: Thomas Barker Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                          Yes, I would love to have that book.


                                          Have you considered Createspace as the method of publication?


                                          I’m doing a volume 2 of my AF Repair Guide right now with Createspace.


                                          Tom


                                          Thomas B Barker
                                          Your Guide in the World of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Trains
                                          https://www.amazon.com/author/thomasbarker
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76007 From: David Highfield Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                          I will be among those who purchase "The Almost Complete Guide..."
                                          Dave


                                          Sent from my iPhone
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76008 From: americanflyer Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: Re: uncataloged train sets
                                          Hi dale did you see my response to frank about uncatologue sets???? Thanks stan


                                          Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone


                                          -------- Original message --------
                                          From: "Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Date:03/10/2015 12:18 AM (GMT-05:00)
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] uncataloged train sets

                                           


                                          Frank,

                                          Does one of the products on this page cover un cataloged sets?   If so, which one, the Production Lists?

                                          Dale

                                          On 3/9/2015 3:34 PM, Frank femiro2002@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                           

                                          On Mar 9, 2015, at 12:30 AM, Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                           
                                          Can someone provide me a list of un cataloged train sets built by Gilbert between 1946-1966?

                                          Thanks

                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76009 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                          I have the complete list from the book in a file from Bob, it is what's in the current addition.  I can send parts of a page of sets, etc. but can not email the entire sets  list.

                                          Harwood


                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: mikejoan45@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Tue, Mar 10, 2015 12:30 am
                                          Subject: RE: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                           
                                          Great, I use " The Almost Complete Guide " at least once a month and
                                          am always looking for more Flyer information

                                          Mike
                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: 'Stanley Sobieski' americanflyer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 01:04:11 -0000 (UTC)
                                          Subject: RE: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                          Hi Please put me down for a copy and let me know what the price and what payment arraignments thanks stan

                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                          Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:09 PM
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                          A question to the group. How many of you would buy a second addition to Bob Tuft's "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. - Volume II" ? We have enough information to produce it and are still looking for any additional information you may have to add. This volume wiil have much more information on boxes, packaging, labels and advertising items.

                                          Harwood Owings
                                          Jack Fazenbaker

                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76010 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide ..."
                                          Could everyone interested in this proposed book please respond directly to Harwood Owings and not to the list? All of the hundreds of subscribers are not interested in who wants a copy. Common courtesy dictates as much.
                                           
                                          Herb
                                          paflyrman
                                           
                                          Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:42 AM
                                          Subject: [S-Trains] Re: "The Almost Complete Guide ..."
                                           
                                           


                                          I would be a definite buyer. A second edition with updated content (and typos corrected) is sure to be a great resource. Suggest a somewhat more durable cover and binding than those for the 1st edition.

                                           
                                          Bob
                                           

                                          >> Mon Mar 9, 2015 5:45 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

                                          A question to the group. How many of you would buy a second addition to Bob Tuft's "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. - Volume II" ? We have enough information to produce it and are still looking for any additional information you may have to add. This volume will have much more information on boxes, packaging, labels and advertising items.

                                          Harwood Owings
                                          Jack Fazenbaker <<
                                           
                                           
                                           
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76011 From: wjgill1 Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                          I will join the thundering herd and commit to purchase a copy of the proposed publication, "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets..."  Perhaps the consideration in updating and publishing this guide is what format to publish it.  Certainly a hard copy would be nice and perhaps mandatory. Someone mentioned a signed copy which would be a nice touch.  In this day and age a "PDF" version complete with searchable features afforded with this electronic publication method would be beneficial and humbly suggested. Sort of how Tom Barker offered his book: Buy a hard copy and he would send you a link to download the PDF edition. And if you were one of the early purchasers, Tom did sign several copies.
                                          My two cents worth.
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76012 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                          Hi are you talking about a vol 2 with additional information?? I would like to suggest that you might want to make a loose leaf type of copy sell them let the members put them into a loose leaf binder  might be cheaper like mine I had used it so much the pages are coming loose

                                          Thanks Stan

                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                          Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:30 PM
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                           

                                           

                                          Its going to be a while until it gets finished

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: 'Stanley Sobieski' americanflyer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 9:18 pm
                                          Subject: RE: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                           

                                          Hi Please put me down for a copy and let me know what the price and what payment arraignments thanks stan

                                           

                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                          Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:09 PM
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                           

                                           

                                          A question to the group.  How many of you would buy a second addition to Bob Tuft's  "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. - Volume II" ?  We have enough information to produce it and are still looking for any additional information you may have to add. This volume wiil have much more information on boxes, packaging, labels and advertising items.

                                          Harwood Owings
                                          Jack Fazenbaker

                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76013 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                          While I think a print version should be included, I think some electronic version should also be available.  I also think perhaps a CD or DVD supplement with a database that can be accessed from the disk would be a very valuable addition.  I have used the master index in the book so frequently, that I didn't realize that some of the other indexes could be very useful.  In fact, what Rich asked about initially is available in one of those other indexes in the book and I didn't realize that when I first responded.  The sort by engine is very helpful, but what would be nice is a way to sort by a car number or group of cars.  Sometimes you see a group of cars together for sale and you are pretty sure it is part of a set, but you are not sure which one.   Such an index would be impossible to print out as was done in the current book, but that capability on a CD or DVD would be great.

                                          Also, this book is more than just a list.  Chapter 1 modestly titled "Introduction" is a fantastic chronology of Gilbert production.   An update of that would also be greatly appreciated.  When I first purchased the book, I had no idea just how valuable a resource it would be.

                                          Finally, I think discussion of this is more than appropriate for this list.   It is more than just a tentative order for the book, but is letting the potential authors know what we would find valuable in such a book.  There are a wide variety of interests on this list and some of us are very interested in Gilbert history.

                                          Dale Smith

                                          On 3/10/2015 8:52 AM, wjbillgill@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                           

                                          I will join the thundering herd and commit to purchase a copy of the proposed publication, "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets..."  Perhaps the consideration in updating and publishing this guide is what format to publish it.  Certainly a hard copy would be nice and perhaps mandatory. Someone mentioned a signed copy which would be a nice touch.  In this day and age a "PDF" version complete with searchable features afforded with this electronic publication method would be beneficial and humbly suggested. Sort of how Tom Barker offered his book: Buy a hard copy and he would send you a link to download the PDF edition. And if you were one of the early purchasers, Tom did sign several copies.
                                          My two cents worth.


                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76014 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: New K-Line AF repair book
                                          If any one is interested make an offer to af336-1@...


                                          Next stop ebay. I have a loose leaf repair guide and just never used this.


                                          Mark
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76015 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide ..."
                                          You can email me at,   howingsiii@...



                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: 'Herb and Bev Lanier' hblanier@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Tue, Mar 10, 2015 12:54 pm
                                          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: "The Almost Complete Guide ..."

                                           
                                          Could everyone interested in this proposed book please respond directly to Harwood Owings and not to the list? All of the hundreds of subscribers are not interested in who wants a copy. Common courtesy dictates as much.
                                           
                                          Herb
                                          paflyrman
                                           
                                          Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:42 AM
                                          Subject: [S-Trains] Re: "The Almost Complete Guide ..."
                                           
                                           

                                          I would be a definite buyer. A second edition with updated content (and typos corrected) is sure to be a great resource. Suggest a somewhat more durable cover and binding than those for the 1st edition.
                                           
                                          Bob
                                           

                                          >> Mon Mar 9, 2015 5:45 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

                                          A question to the group. How many of you would buy a second addition to Bob Tuft's "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. - Volume II" ? We have enough information to produce it and are still looking for any additional information you may have to add. This volume will have much more information on boxes, packaging, labels and advertising items.

                                          Harwood Owings
                                          Jack Fazenbaker <<
                                           
                                           
                                           
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76016 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                          Thank you kindly for your input.
                                          Harwood



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                                          From: Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Tue, Mar 10, 2015 3:43 pm
                                          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                           
                                          While I think a print version should be included, I think some electronic version should also be available.  I also think perhaps a CD or DVD supplement with a database that can be accessed from the disk would be a very valuable addition.  I have used the master index in the book so frequently, that I didn't realize that some of the other indexes could be very useful.  In fact, what Rich asked about initially is available in one of those other indexes in the book and I didn't realize that when I first responded.  The sort by engine is very helpful, but what would be nice is a way to sort by a car number or group of cars.  Sometimes you see a group of cars together for sale and you are pretty sure it is part of a set, but you are not sure which one.   Such an index would be impossible to print out as was done in the current book, but that capability on a CD or DVD would be great.

                                          Also, this book is more than just a list.  Chapter 1 modestly titled "Introduction" is a fantastic chronology of Gilbert production.   An update of that would also be greatly appreciated.  When I first purchased the book, I had no idea just how valuable a resource it would be.

                                          Finally, I think discussion of this is more than appropriate for this list.   It is more than just a tentative order for the book, but is letting the potential authors know what we would find valuable in such a book.  There are a wide variety of interests on this list and some of us are very interested in Gilbert history.

                                          Dale Smith

                                          On 3/10/2015 8:52 AM, wjbillgill@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                           
                                          I will join the thundering herd and commit to purchase a copy of the proposed publication, "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets..."  Perhaps the consideration in updating and publishing this guide is what format to publish it.  Certainly a hard copy would be nice and perhaps mandatory. Someone mentioned a signed copy which would be a nice touch.  In this day and age a "PDF" version complete with searchable features afforded with this electronic publication method would be beneficial and humbly suggested. Sort of how Tom Barker offered his book: Buy a hard copy and he would send you a link to download the PDF edition. And if you were one of the early purchasers, Tom did sign several copies.
                                          My two cents worth.

                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76017 From: V & K Neimanis Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
                                          That's a fine looking AF layout.  It even runs trains without any stalling, mind you you are running at consistent high speed.
                                          I have had 5 decades experience of playing around with AF.  I would share a couple of important things to keep in mind in the future.
                                          First, I have found that AF trains are notoriously bad at climbing grades ( just try it off your layout using AF trestles). If you have a second level, it probably would be best not connected with the lower one. Second, reserve track power for certain transformers and then use separate smaller ones to power your accessories.
                                          I hope those minor suggestions will be of help.
                                          Cheers
                                          V. Neimanis
                                          Ottawa, Canada

                                          On 3/7/2015 7:06 PM, 'Art Cooper' greenjumpertx@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                           

                                          Hi There
                                           
                                          Hope that all is good and that the snow is not too deep
                                           
                                          We have been able to build our first permanent layout, thanks in no small part by the inspiration and guidance of the S-Trains family and several individuals when it came to parts including Fred Jester, Doug Peck, Tom Seccia, Steve Blackburn, Joe Haenn, and Frank Timko. I have prepared a short video showing our layout in its present form which can be viewed on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3AAwLGSixQ 
                                           
                                          Some items my brothers and I received as children but most items have been acquired, a few pieces at a time, over the last 8 years.
                                           
                                          As to future plans on the layout, we want to add some more items/details and then want to build an elevated track/level.
                                           
                                          Your comments and suggestions are welcome, as always.
                                           
                                          Thanks again for everything.
                                           
                                          Best Regards to All
                                           
                                          Art Cooper
                                          North Texas, USA




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                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76018 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                          Hi Stan, yes, this would be Vol.II with new information added to information from the first book. There may be additions to initial chapters from  vol.1

                                          Harwood

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                                          From: 'Stanley Sobieski' americanflyer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Tue, Mar 10, 2015 12:55 pm
                                          Subject: RE: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                           
                                          Hi are you talking about a vol 2 with additional information?? I would like to suggest that you might want to make a loose leaf type of copy sell them let the members put them into a loose leaf binder  might be cheaper like mine I had used it so much the pages are coming loose
                                          Thanks Stan
                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                          Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:30 PM
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                           
                                           
                                          Its going to be a while until it gets finished
                                           
                                           
                                           
                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: 'Stanley Sobieski' americanflyer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 9:18 pm
                                          Subject: RE: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                           
                                          Hi Please put me down for a copy and let me know what the price and what payment arraignments thanks stan
                                           
                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                          Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:09 PM
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                           
                                           
                                          A question to the group.  How many of you would buy a second addition to Bob Tuft's  "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. - Volume II" ?  We have enough information to produce it and are still looking for any additional information you may have to add. This volume wiil have much more information on boxes, packaging, labels and advertising items.

                                          Harwood Owings
                                          Jack Fazenbaker
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76019 From: Art Cooper Date: 3/10/2015
                                          Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
                                          Hi There
                                           
                                          Thank for your message, comments and suggestions.  I have decided not to attempt running track/trains between levels. I know that some folks have been very successful at it, but many of my locos have only metal tires and they have trouble enough pulling loads on level track. I have also experienced some difficulty in getting my track (particularly around the turnouts) aligned so that stalling and derailments are not a factor. Trying to accomplish that on curving grades would likely provide to be even more difficult.
                                           
                                          Currently, I do have the accessories connected to the same transformer as the track, but I am using a dual 175 watt unit for the lower level and will have 175 watt units for each elevated track. I had thought about using a separate transformer but am trying it this way. If problems arise, then I know what to do. For one thing, all of my wiring below the deck is soldered with soldered connections to rails for track power in lieu of using clips. All of the connections for the accessories are soldered as well. I had hopes that this would minimize losses due to legacy pressure connections, etc.
                                           
                                          Thank you again for your thoughtful message and I would appreciate any additional suggestions and comments.
                                           
                                          Best Regards,
                                           
                                          Stay Warm!
                                           
                                          Art Cooper
                                           
                                          Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:58 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] First Permanent Layout Up and Running
                                           
                                           

                                          That's a fine looking AF layout.  It even runs trains without any stalling, mind you you are running at consistent high speed.
                                          I have had 5 decades experience of playing around with AF.  I would share a couple of important things to keep in mind in the future.
                                          First, I have found that AF trains are notoriously bad at climbing grades ( just try it off your layout using AF trestles). If you have a second level, it probably would be best not connected with the lower one. Second, reserve track power for certain transformers and then use separate smaller ones to power your accessories.
                                          I hope those minor suggestions will be of help.
                                          Cheers
                                          V. Neimanis
                                          Ottawa, Canada

                                          On 3/7/2015 7:06 PM, 'Art Cooper' greenjumpertx@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                           
                                          Hi There
                                           
                                          Hope that all is good and that the snow is not too deep
                                           
                                          We have been able to build our first permanent layout, thanks in no small part by the inspiration and guidance of the S-Trains family and several individuals when it came to parts including Fred Jester, Doug Peck, Tom Seccia, Steve Blackburn, Joe Haenn, and Frank Timko. I have prepared a short video showing our layout in its present form which can be viewed on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3AAwLGSixQ 
                                           
                                          Some items my brothers and I received as children but most items have been acquired, a few pieces at a time, over the last 8 years.
                                           
                                          As to future plans on the layout, we want to add some more items/details and then want to build an elevated track/level.
                                           
                                          Your comments and suggestions are welcome, as always.
                                           
                                          Thanks again for everything.
                                           
                                          Best Regards to All
                                           
                                          Art Cooper
                                          North Texas, USA




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                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76020 From: timstrains2000 Date: 3/11/2015
                                          Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
                                          Yes, it is a good start. I like to see them run fast. After all, they are called American Flyers. :) :) :) :)

                                          ...Tim
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76021 From: Art Cooper Date: 3/11/2015
                                          Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
                                          Hello Tim
                                           
                                          Thanks for your message and comment. More to follow as the layout develops
                                           
                                          Best Regards,
                                           
                                          Art Cooper
                                           
                                          [To see the video/layout, go to:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3AAwLGSixQ]
                                           
                                           
                                          Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 3:17 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] First Permanent Layout Up and Running
                                           
                                           

                                          Yes, it is a good start. I like to see them run fast. After all, they are called American Flyers. :) :) :) :)

                                           
                                          ...Tim
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76022 From: gdotn0868@att.net Date: 3/12/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                          I would be very much interested in the Volume II of this book & also have been looking to purchase the original Volume I, if anyone knows of a copy that's available. Thanks in advance.
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76023 From: Ken Christiansen Date: 3/12/2015
                                          Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
                                          Art, nice layout. About flyer and grades I find that bullfrog snot fixes this problem. May need redo on occasion but let's even small engines say; I think I can, I think I can. Just follow directions on jar.


                                          Ken Christiansen
                                          BHHS, Crosby Starck Real Estate
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76024 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/13/2015
                                          Subject: Bullfrog Snot

                                          It’s good to hear some feedback on the BS. I’ve been selling it for 3-4 years now, but rarely hear feedback.  Since it was really designed for use with N and HO engines, I always recommend doing a double-coat with our S-gauge heavier engines. One coat….set overnight….second coat.  Yes, it will still wear off with use, but it’s easy enough to clean off and re-apply.

                                          If anyone is not familiar with it, you need to watch the video of its application, and benefit.   It’s impressive !!!

                                          You can link to the video from my homepage.

                                           

                                           

                                          << About flyer and grades I find that bullfrog snot fixes this problem. May need redo on occasion but let's even small engines say; I think I can, I think I can. Just follow directions on jar. >>

                                           

                                          Doug Peck
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                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76025 From: timstrains2000 Date: 3/13/2015
                                          Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
                                          Bullfrog snot works great! But you have to apply it correctly. Then you are on a slippery slope.

                                           Should you use it - and for that matter reproduction items - on a strictly vintage layout? Your choice of course. And if you go down that slope, where does it end - with everything kit-bashed and running on DCC? Again, your choice. 

                                          I went down that slope years and years ago. What I ended up with looked and ran great - but guess what; it wasn't American Flyer anymore. I don't know what it became; S Gauge still, but that's about all I could say. I ended up selling it all and starting over again; this time keeping it 100% pure vintage; as much as humanly possible. Just sayin'...

                                          ...Tim
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76026 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 3/13/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                          I'm still confused. The initial message referred to "a new addition" but lately all the talk is been about "volume II." 

                                          If it contains all of the information in the original book, plus additional new information, I would call it "a second edition." This is how I interpreted the initial message, assuming "addition"  was a mistyping of "edition."

                                          If, however, it contains none of the original material but only new information, I would call it either "a supplement" or "volume II."

                                          Which is it?

                                          In either case, I'll buy a copy.

                                          By the way, I agree with the idea of making a PDF copy available. 

                                          And a searchable database would be fabulous! It's my understanding that a project is currently underway by someone else to build such a database, which would include pictures. Having been a database guy in my pre-retirement professional life, I know what a huge job it is to build such a database; I started working on a Gilbert/Flyonel database  myself many years ago but never finished. Including it with the book would be quite pricey. From a marketing standpoint, I think it makes more sense to publish them as separate products.

                                          On Mar 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                           


                                          Hi Stan, yes, this would be Vol.II with new information added to information from the first book. There may be additions to initial chapters from  vol.1

                                          Harwood

                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: 'Stanley Sobieski' americanflyer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Tue, Mar 10, 2015 12:55 pm
                                          Subject: RE: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                           
                                          Hi are you talking about a vol 2 with additional information?? I would like to suggest that you might want to make a loose leaf type of copy sell them let the members put them into a loose leaf binder  might be cheaper like mine I had used it so much the pages are coming loose
                                          Thanks Stan
                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                          Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:30 PM
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                           
                                           
                                          Its going to be a while until it gets finished
                                           
                                           
                                           
                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: 'Stanley Sobieski' americanflyer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 9:18 pm
                                          Subject: RE: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                           
                                          Hi Please put me down for a copy and let me know what the price and what payment arraignments thanks stan
                                           
                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                          Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:09 PM
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                           
                                           
                                          A question to the group.  How many of you would buy a second addition to Bob Tuft's  "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. - Volume II" ?  We have enough information to produce it and are still looking for any additional information you may have to add. This volume wiil have much more information on boxes, packaging, labels and advertising items.

                                          Harwood Owings
                                          Jack Fazenbaker

                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76027 From: fahrwud Date: 3/13/2015
                                          Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 09 March 2015
                                          Hi everybody,
                                          Nurse-maiding my small fleet of AF steamers here.
                                          Is there an issue with the S chat room? Whenever I log in, it seems there are others that have unsuccessfully tried, and there is an endless list of "closed the browser".
                                          Are type-in chatrooms getting too clunky for many users, or is it just a thin crowd these days?

                                          dw
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76028 From: wjgill1 Date: 3/13/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                          RE: PDF publication and searchable databases for this second edition/volume II "...Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets...."

                                          Adobe Acrobat (PDF) can do wonders and provide both the PDF format and searchable features. Practically any electronic file can be embedded in a PDF document. All depends on the skill, knowledge, and proficiency of the PDF technical "publisher" and what he/she is asked to do. There are/will be several choices and levels of capabilities for searching/organizing the information provided in the document. And I'm sure the cost to create the PDF document will be directly proportional to the effort and skill expended to do so.  From the sublime to the ridiculous, one could scan hard copies of all pre-existing information (Volume I), run it through an Optical Character Recognition software, edit and clean it up, then the final published document could be searchable by individual word. I'm not sure if this is necessary or warrants the cost to do so. I'm sure there are any number of organizational schemes one could conjure.
                                          Pardon me for "preaching to the choir" if what I share is already known and/or understood.
                                          Bill
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76029 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 3/13/2015
                                          Subject: Re: "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                          New additions in Vol. II edition.  Sorry for the confusion.

                                          If anyone has anything to add to Vol. II, please get in touch.  Does anyone have Eric Hundermark's email address?

                                          Harwood



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                                          From: The Upstairs Train theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Fri, Mar 13, 2015 12:45 pm
                                          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                           
                                          I'm still confused. The initial message referred to "a new addition" but lately all the talk is been about "volume II." 

                                          If it contains all of the information in the original book, plus additional new information, I would call it "a second edition." This is how I interpreted the initial message, assuming "addition"  was a mistyping of "edition."

                                          If, however, it contains none of the original material but only new information, I would call it either "a supplement" or "volume II."

                                          Which is it?

                                          In either case, I'll buy a copy.

                                          By the way, I agree with the idea of making a PDF copy available. 

                                          And a searchable database would be fabulous! It's my understanding that a project is currently underway by someone else to build such a database, which would include pictures. Having been a databas e guy in my pre-retirement professional life, I know what a huge job it is to build such a database; I started working on a Gilbert/Flyonel database  myself many years ago but never finished. Including it with the book would be quite pricey. From a marketing standpoint, I think it makes more sense to publish them as separate products.

                                          On Mar 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                           

                                          Hi Stan, yes, this would be Vol.II with new information added to information from the first book. There may be additions to initial chapters from  vol.1

                                          Harwood

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                                          From: 'Stanley Sobieski' americanflyer@... [S-Trains] < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          To: S-Trains < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Tue, Mar 10, 2015 12:55 pm
                                          Subject: RE: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."

                                           
                                          Hi are you talking about a vol 2 with additional information?? I would like to suggest that you might want to make a loose leaf type of copy sell them let the members put them into a loose leaf binder  might be cheaper like mine I had used it so much the pages are coming loose
                                          Thanks Stan
                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                          Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:30 PM
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                           
                                           
                                          Its going to be a while until it gets finished
                                           
                                           
                                           
                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: 'Stanley Sobieski' americanflyer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 9:18 pm
                                          Subject: RE: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                           
                                          Hi Please put me down for a copy and let me know what the price and what payment arraignments thanks stan
                                           
                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                          Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:09 PM
                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: [S-Trains] "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets."
                                           
                                           
                                          A question to the group.  How many of you would buy a second addition to Bob Tuft's  "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets. - Volume II" ?  We have enough information to produce it and are still looking for any additional information you may have to add. This volume wiil have much more information on boxes, packaging, labels and advertising items.

                                          Harwood Owings
                                          Jack Fazenbaker
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76030 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 3/14/2015
                                          Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running

                                          , where does it end - with everything kit-bashed and running on DCC?

                                           

                                          Hi Tim,

                                           

                                          I’ve just recently rejoined this list and the last I knew you were doing some really cool stuff with DCC and Flyer unloading cars.  I don’t know if I’m disappointed or not however it made for some interesting reading and dreaming on my part.

                                           

                                          Do you still have a website for your layout?

                                           

                                          Tom Stoltz

                                          In Maine

                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76031 From: traindavid Date: 3/14/2015
                                          Subject: Re: Sunday Chat
                                          Yes, the pickin's are getting slim, not certain why, lots of fun stuff goes
                                          on there, and even some Flyer talk--last Sunday was almost ALL flyer talk.
                                          There are apparently some "bugs" in the system, jfred and ron in ID are
                                          always logging out, even though they aren't really there--although,
                                          sometimes they are! I don't know about the rest of you, but it works fairly
                                          well for me on 33K dial-up--and YES, I know I'm in the dark ages, but the
                                          only other option for me is satellite, which is very expensive, and not much
                                          faster actually. I love my location with trees, etc. but the price is NO
                                          cable, wi-fi, high-speed internet, nor cell phone.
                                          Back on track, Y'all pop in tomorrow evening, we're a fun bunch & you are
                                          more than welcome to join in the chat! Don't be shy, just jump in--if
                                          there's a conversation going on, we like to be interrupted, or to even have
                                          off-subject remarks thrown in! Heck, Steve B. is always throwing me an
                                          insult (if he didn't I'd worry about him!)--but then that's because we know
                                          each other, we won't pick on you until we gets to know ya! (and if we do,
                                          there's always the "shoot 'em" emotioncom you can fire back at us! (whole
                                          list of them there to choose from)
                                          Run 'em if ya got 'em (well, unless they're mint-in-box! :) )
                                          David D.
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76032 From: timstrains2000 Date: 3/14/2015
                                          Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
                                          Hi Tom,

                                          I sold it all off and started over again with all pristine vintage. I'm done with the tinkering. I just want to run the toy trains I had as a child on a small and easy-to-maintain toy train layout.

                                          I remember once when I had an immense space, that I combined trestle sets with little wooden risers and got the Flyer 4% trestle grade down to a 2% grade. Since I had the space, I kept all the grades on straight sections. Someone at York sold me a big box full of high trestles for almost nothing, so I used them on the elevated section.

                                          Here is a link to one of the big layouts I once had:


                                          Here is a link to a Large Flyer layout I had once:


                                           World's Greatest American Flyer Toy Train Layout - Part 1.mov



                                          Part Two:


                                           World's Greatest American Flyer Toy Train Layout - Part 2.mov



                                          ...Tim 



                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76033 From: Mark Kiner Date: 3/14/2015
                                          Subject: Christmas Dump Car
                                          I sold my NIB Christmas coal dump car, which left my house in perfect shape. I packed the box in a box with bubble wrap. and when it arrived at the buyers house both sets of trucks were broken. (previous to this I had only seen the one end break)

                                          At any rate. If someone wants a Christmas coal dump car to repair let me know. I fixed my Southern dump car with JB weld at it is working fine, but now that my grandkids are older I don't see the need to keep this one. I had intended for them to play with it, but the live half the country away, and never made it here to play with it at Christmas.

                                          The bed is perfect, the chassis looks good except for the trucks. and there is the activator rail, the button, coal and coal tray.

                                          These dump cars appear to be interchangeable with the original, and I assume you could for Christmas put this bed on a 919. (but I haven't tried it personally)

                                          I figure it is worth around 35 bucks + 10 for shipping.

                                          Let me know if there is any interest.

                                          Mark
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76034 From: fahrwud Date: 3/14/2015
                                          Subject: Re: Egyptian railway station water tower reference
                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76035 From: Gary Nessel Date: 3/14/2015
                                          Subject: Re: Christmas Dump Car
                                          Mark, Curious what carrier you used to ship it....must have gotten run over by a Mack truck.

                                          On Saturday, March 14, 2015, Mark Kiner robbe_wan@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                           

                                          I sold my NIB Christmas coal dump car, which left my house in perfect shape. I packed the box in a box with bubble wrap. and when it arrived at the buyers house both sets of trucks were broken. (previous to this I had only seen the one end break)

                                          At any rate. If someone wants a Christmas coal dump car to repair let me know. I fixed my Southern dump car with JB weld at it is working fine, but now that my grandkids are older I don't see the need to keep this one. I had intended for them to play with it, but the live half the country away, and never made it here to play with it at Christmas.

                                          The bed is perfect, the chassis looks good except for the trucks. and there is the activator rail, the button, coal and coal tray.

                                          These dump cars appear to be interchangeable with the original, and I assume you could for Christmas put this bed on a 919. (but I haven't tried it personally)

                                          I figure it is worth around 35 bucks + 10 for shipping.

                                          Let me know if there is any interest.

                                          Mark

                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76036 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/14/2015
                                          Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 16 March 2015
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                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76037 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 3/14/2015
                                            Subject: Re: Christmas Dump Car
                                            USPS priority mail

                                            On Mar 14, 2015, at 15:50, "Gary Nessel lacness.gdn@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                             

                                            Mark, Curious what carrier you used to ship it....must have gotten run over by a Mack truck.

                                            On Saturday, March 14, 2015, Mark Kiner robbe_wan@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                             

                                            I sold my NIB Christmas coal dump car, which left my house in perfect shape. I packed the box in a box with bubble wrap. and when it arrived at the buyers house both sets of trucks were broken. (previous to this I had only seen the one end break)

                                            At any rate. If someone wants a Christmas coal dump car to repair let me know. I fixed my Southern dump car with JB weld at it is working fine, but now that my grandkids are older I don't see the need to keep this one. I had intended for them to play with it, but the live half the country away, and never made it here to play with it at Christmas.

                                            The bed is perfect, the chassis looks good except for the trucks. and there is the activator rail, the button, coal and coal tray.

                                            These dump cars appear to be interchangeable with the original, and I assume you could for Christmas put this bed on a 919. (but I haven't tried it personally)

                                            I figure it is worth around 35 bucks + 10 for shipping.

                                            Let me know if there is any interest.

                                            Mark

                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76038 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 3/14/2015
                                            Subject: Re: Christmas Dump Car
                                            It was a little unbelievable to me too. I assume the person who bought it didn't pull a switch.

                                            On Mar 14, 2015, at 15:50, "Gary Nessel lacness.gdn@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                             

                                            Mark, Curious what carrier you used to ship it....must have gotten run over by a Mack truck.

                                            On Saturday, March 14, 2015, Mark Kiner robbe_wan@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                             

                                            I sold my NIB Christmas coal dump car, which left my house in perfect shape. I packed the box in a box with bubble wrap. and when it arrived at the buyers house both sets of trucks were broken. (previous to this I had only seen the one end break)

                                            At any rate. If someone wants a Christmas coal dump car to repair let me know. I fixed my Southern dump car with JB weld at it is working fine, but now that my grandkids are older I don't see the need to keep this one. I had intended for them to play with it, but the live half the country away, and never made it here to play with it at Christmas.

                                            The bed is perfect, the chassis looks good except for the trucks. and there is the activator rail, the button, coal and coal tray.

                                            These dump cars appear to be interchangeable with the original, and I assume you could for Christmas put this bed on a 919. (but I haven't tried it personally)

                                            I figure it is worth around 35 bucks + 10 for shipping.

                                            Let me know if there is any interest.

                                            Mark

                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76039 From: ronaldd757 Date: 3/15/2015
                                            Subject: Re: Christmas Dump Car
                                            I think placing FRAGILE markings on a parcel means "Throw underhand only" to USPS.
                                            Ron D.
                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76040 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/15/2015
                                            Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 16 March 2015
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                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76041 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 3/15/2015
                                              Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running

                                              I sold it all off and started over again with all pristine vintage. I'm done with the tinkering. I just want to run the toy trains I had as a child on a small and easy-to-maintain toy train layout.

                                               

                                              Hi Tim,

                                               

                                              Thanks for your links, you have a lot of great Am Flyer videos.  I am curious what led you to leave those layout behind?  I ask because I am in the tinkering phase myself and am starting to think about DCC.  I’ve been running on DC ever since I got back into model trains.

                                               

                                              Tom

                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76042 From: Ron Inscho Date: 3/15/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Christmas Dump Car& junk trucks
                                              
                                              You can't really blame this on rough handling , As these trucks have been known to be of a poor design & if you look at the bare metal where it broke you will see that it too is of poor quality or bad batch of pot metal . Lionel has known about this for at least 10 years , and yet still is producing the truck ?

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                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76043 From: Gary Nessel Date: 3/15/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Christmas Dump Car
                                              Unfortunately, I think USPS thinks it means Toss, which I know they do.

                                              On Sunday, March 15, 2015, ronaldd757@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                               

                                              I think placing FRAGILE markings on a parcel means "Throw underhand only" to USPS.

                                              Ron D.

                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76044 From: redpinto756@... Date: 3/15/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Christmas Dump Car
                                              you assume that they can read.  Just place it along the fragileeee lamp
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76045 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 3/15/2015
                                              Subject: Flyonel coal dump cars
                                              I have a question about these cars. Has anyone on the list had one actually break in use or were they all broken in shipment? I have a theory that would imply that they are all broken in shipment, and although the truck design is not highly robust, if my theory is correct the biggest problem is the packaging. So what is the experience of the group...


                                              1. broken in shipment, or
                                              2. broken during use.


                                              I thought about doing a poll, but that requires people to use we access.


                                              Mark
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76046 From: timstrains2000 Date: 3/15/2015
                                              Subject: Re: First Permanent Layout Up and Running
                                              Tom,

                                              I guess I'm more of a Bob The Builder than I am an operator. :) :) :) :)

                                              Each time I tore a layout down, I built a somewhat smaller one, so it would be less hassle to maintain in my old age. Then I would re-allocate the space in the huge room for something else. Now my layout is about 1/4 what it used to be. The freed-up space is now two additional rooms; one for exercise and one for my current hobby as an amateur musician who performs with a street band.

                                              I found too much complication running old vintage trains with DC on a complex layout. I was the first person on this Forum to post about running locos on DC with directional control. But the trains and accessories were really all designed for running on AC. The Gilbert factory's brief foray into DC was short-lived when it was realized what a mistake it was. 

                                              DCC is great, but it isn't vintage Flyer (although they can be retro-fitted) and there are complications with some accessories. I was one of the leaders in designing action cars that could operate on DCC. Now it's a given. There are work-arounds for some of the accessories that require AC voltage, but I don't want to do that. I like the trains I had as a child and I'm content to let it go at that. 

                                              When I was a child, my family didn't have the kind of money that middle-class families have today for nonsense. Our end-tables, chairs, etc were our mountains and valleys. We ran our trains on the floor and let our imaginations be our operating accessories. It was magic.

                                              As an adult that is flush with money, I couldn't get enough. Turned out that more was less, though. Now I just want a simplistic layout on which to run the trains and let 'em rip - watching the wheels turn and the smoke pour out. I don't care about collecting. I have a few favorites and that is all I desire.

                                              ...Tim 
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76047 From: keyhole_corona Date: 3/15/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Flyonel coal dump cars
                                              I had another Flyonel car come with broken trucks, a Catalog Box Car. It came that way from the factory.  The new trucks and not as good as the original Flyer trucks.
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76048 From: James Lyle Date: 3/15/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Flyonel coal dump cars
                                              The only car PVMR had with that truck fell apart in use, truck disintegrated while car in motion in a train. Impressive product, to be sure.
                                              Jim Lyle

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                                              > On Mar 15, 2015, at 8:49 PM, robbe_wan@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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                                              > I have a question about these cars. Has anyone on the list had one actually break in use or were they all broken in shipment? I have a theory that would imply that they are all broken in shipment, and although the truck design is not highly robust, if my theory is correct the biggest problem is the packaging. So what is the experience of the group...
                                              >
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                                              > 1. broken in shipment, or
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                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76049 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 3/15/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Christmas Dump Car
                                              Remember the TV commercial with the gorilla tossing the Samsonite suitcase around? Well guess where that gorilla went to work when they finished that commercial.
                                                                          Bob Lampe
                                                                          Kalispell,MT
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76050 From: Ron Inscho Date: 3/15/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Flyonel coal dump cars
                                              
                                              I have had these trucks actually fall apart while running in a train , these trucks are no good .

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                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76051 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 3/15/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Flyonel coal dump cars
                                              Mine were loose when they arrived from the vendor and he said since it was new he hadn't checked them.  I assume they fell apart in shipment.

                                              Poor packaging may be part of the problem.  But part of it is the pot metal they use to mold them.  I epoxied my side frames on and that bond held.  Lo and behold two of them broke completely in two where the axle goes in.  I tried to epoxy those small pieces but had no luck other than gluing my fingers together.  Finally I said to H**l with it and ordered a Ficus truck (Yes, it arrived within the week).  Granted it does not match the original on the other end, but it is a far superior truck. I figure I eventually will have to replace the other end as well.  Of course, i managed to lose the tiny spring that helps keep the side closed, so I've got an inquiry in to Big L now to see if replacements are available.  All this for a "new"car.  No more Flyonel action cars for me.

                                              Jim E.


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                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 6:49:06 PM
                                              Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel coal dump cars

                                               

                                              I have a question about these cars. Has anyone on the list had one actually break in use or were they all broken in shipment? I have a theory that would imply that they are all broken in shipment, and although the truck design is not highly robust, if my theory is correct the biggest problem is the packaging. So what is the experience of the group...

                                              1. broken in shipment, or
                                              2. broken during use.

                                              I thought about doing a poll, but that requires people to use we access.

                                              Mark


                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76053 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/16/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Flyonel coal dump cars

                                              Long before the hobby shop closed that I worked at (2009), Lionel had problems that were going unresolved.  The shop owners were Lionel collectors, sold a LOT of O gauge, 3 rail,  and had been a Lionel "Service Station" for twenty years as well.   They stopped buying from Lionel. 


                                              We sold American Models and S Helper Service, but little Lionel because the price was too high and they were using the same molds that American Flyer had for years, so there was nothing new.  Collectors bought Flyonel but few operators did.


                                              Lionel had lost a year's production when they tried to move manufacturing to Mexico some years ago and had to return to Michigan to save the company.  Richard Kuhn, a wealthy collector, bought the company and guided it back to health.  But when the new holding company bought Lionel, things started to change back the other way.  When all manufacturing went to China, things went downhill fast.


                                              The problem with the S trucks is not the design or the packaging, it's the slipshod metallurgy.  Quality control in China is terrible and Lionel is not the only hobby or toy company suffering from that.  But to not try to change the situation is all Lionel's fault.  They have cleaned up their act with their bread and butter O gauge trains for the most part, but Flyer is still treated like "the poor stepchild" at Lionel, possibly because they were once fierce competitors.  I suspect that they still tend to think of S as a bunch of collectors who don't run their trains, so why expend effort to make them runnable as long as the money comes in?


                                              As I said, Lionel is not the only hobby or toy company having quality problems with Chinese manufacture.  Bachman quality has gone from the top in HO and On30 to being a somewhat risky purchase during the same period as Lionel.  And there are others.  The Chinese seem to view hobby and toy items as "throw away" "as  sold on TV" junk.


                                              Just my observations and opinions....Stumpy Stone in Ahia



                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76054 From: Michael Date: 3/16/2015
                                              Subject: Happy National S-Gauge Day!!
                                              March 16th, (3/16) is the unofficial National S-Gauge Day! Enjoy the
                                              day, take your favorite steamer for a spin around the layout! Be
                                              sure to toot the whistle!!


                                              Send a best wish email to your favorite S-Gauge enthusiast!


                                              Best Wishes From
                                              The South Jersey S-Gaugers
                                              Michael
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76055 From: RONALD KEMP Date: 3/16/2015
                                              Subject: Re: 2015 AF catalog Berkshire
                                               
                                               
                                              RONALD KEMP
                                              kempfam@...
                                              I'm wondering if it has separately applied handrails or cast on.  The catalog rendition shows cast on. 
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76056 From: traindavid Date: 3/16/2015
                                              Subject: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
                                              It is my understanding that the production of these trucks is farmed out in
                                              China to "backyard manufacturers" who may or may not be careful with the
                                              Zamak (pot metal) alloy and heat temperature. I note that the newer ones
                                              have screws holding the sideframes to the sheet metal part, four per truck.
                                              Now there's an assembly expense! But if the sideframe metal is bad, the
                                              screws won't solve the problem either. IMHO, the truck sides are too tall,
                                              look bulky compared to the ACG ones. Even though the ACG ones had minimal
                                              detail, it was sufficient and appropriate to the detailing on the rest of
                                              the cars. (They WERE toys after all!) Somewhere Flyonel should have the
                                              tooling for the K-Line trucks, which, I'm told, are really nice, and even
                                              more robust than the SHS trucks. Why aren't they using that tooling?? For
                                              that matter, why can't they get the electrical pick up arm on the action
                                              cars right either.
                                              Hmm, grumpy this morning, ain't I? Back to the woodworking project!!
                                              Later!
                                              OH, we had a GREAT group last night on Flyer chat, Be there or be square!!
                                              :)
                                              David D.
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76057 From: Greg Phillips Date: 3/16/2015
                                              Subject: Train shop robberies in Pennsylvania

                                              Heads-up and FYI,

                                               

                                              Just got a phone call from a friend upstate.    He saw this first hand as he went to get a car repaired this afternoon.

                                               

                                              Sometime over the weekend, between closing time Saturday afternoon and this morning at opening,  English’s Model RR Supply in Montoursville, PA, former home of Bowser Mfg. was ROBBED BIG TIME.

                                              Thieves cut a gaping hole in the steel wall and literally stripped the inside  of all kinds of stuff, centering on O-scale mainly.   Robbers even took ‘repairs’ that had been dropped off by customers recently.

                                              I have not been personally been able to verify this, but I do trust my friends word.   I’m sure it will hit the local TV news on the Wilkes-Barre and Scranton Stations tonight.

                                               

                                              My friend also said that the same thing happen at Ed’s Trains in Lewistown, PA.

                                               

                                              Sounds like a Model Train Burglary Ring to me?

                                               

                                              I wondering if these are linked to the recent robbery at the Kruger Street Museum in Wheeling, WV?

                                               

                                              Sad days we live in to have this happening.

                                               

                                              Greg Phillips

                                              Lititz, PA

                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76058 From: Tom Date: 3/16/2015
                                              Subject: Re: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
                                              OK, I’ve bitten the bullet and written Lionel on this topic.  I know some of you have tried before but what the heck, let’s try again.

                                              I’ll post any response I get.  I also suggested that Lionel might want to post directly on this board about what they might do to correct the problem in light of the continued frustration and concern we have about this operating car truck issue.  I suspect we’ll get no response or some sort of vague “we’ll look into it” type response.  But I figured another inquiry can’t hurt.  Stay tuned…

                                              Tom Detmer
                                              On Mar 16, 2015, at 1:01 PM, djdewey@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                              It is my understanding that the production of these trucks is farmed out in 
                                              China to "backyard manufacturers" who may or may not be careful with the 
                                              Zamak (pot metal) alloy and heat temperature. I note that the newer ones 
                                              have screws holding the sideframes to the sheet metal part, four per truck. 
                                              Now there's an assembly expense! But if the sideframe metal is bad, the 
                                              screws won't solve the problem either. IMHO, the truck sides are too tall, 
                                              look bulky compared to the ACG ones. Even though the ACG ones had minimal 
                                              detail, it was sufficient and appropriate to the detailing on the rest of 
                                              the cars. (They WERE toys after all!) Somewhere Flyonel should have the 
                                              tooling for the K-Line trucks, which, I'm told, are really nice, and even 
                                              more robust than the SHS trucks. Why aren't they using that tooling?? For 
                                              that matter, why can't they get the electrical pick up arm on the action 
                                              cars right either.
                                              Hmm, grumpy this morning, ain't I? Back to the woodworking project!!
                                              Later!
                                              OH, we had a GREAT group last night on Flyer chat, Be there or be square!! 
                                              :)
                                              David D. 


                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76059 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 3/16/2015
                                              Subject: Re: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
                                              I asked Lionel about buying the whole chassis on my christmas car. (which is the only service part they list, you cannot buy the truck separately) They responded they did not have this part, and didn't expect to get any in the future. 

                                              I then looked up the current item number of the C&O dump car which was in 2014 and 2015 catalog, and is also currently in stock at Charles Ro. I told them I had broken my car and could I get parts to fix the broken truck. There has been no response... Pretty bad when you don't offer parts to repair a current sales item.

                                              On Mar 16, 2015, at 16:02, "Tom detmer@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                               

                                              OK, I’ve bitten the bullet and written Lionel on this topic.  I know some of you have tried before but what the heck, let’s try again.


                                              I’ll post any response I get.  I also suggested that Lionel might want to post directly on this board about what they might do to correct the problem in light of the continued frustration and concern we have about this operating car truck issue.  I suspect we’ll get no response or some sort of vague “we’ll look into it” type response.  But I figured another inquiry can’t hurt.  Stay tuned…

                                              Tom Detmer
                                              On Mar 16, 2015, at 1:01 PM, djdewey@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                              It is my understanding that the production of these trucks is farmed out in 
                                              China to "backyard manufacturers" who may or may not be careful with the 
                                              Zamak (pot metal) alloy and heat temperature. I note that the newer ones 
                                              have screws holding the sideframes to the sheet metal part, four per truck. 
                                              Now there's an assembly expense! But if the sideframe metal is bad, the 
                                              screws won't solve the problem either. IMHO, the truck sides are too tall, 
                                              look bulky compared to the ACG ones. Even though the ACG ones had minimal 
                                              detail, it was sufficient and appropriate to the detailing on the rest of 
                                              the cars. (They WERE toys after all!) Somewhere Flyonel should have the 
                                              tooling for the K-Line trucks, which, I'm told, are really nice, and even 
                                              more robust than the SHS trucks. Why aren't they using that tooling?? For 
                                              that matter, why can't they get the electrical pick up arm on the action 
                                              cars right either.
                                              Hmm, grumpy this morning, ain't I? Back to the woodworking project!!
                                              Later!
                                              OH, we had a GREAT group last night on Flyer chat, Be there or be square!! 
                                              :)
                                              David D. 


                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76060 From: James Lyle Date: 3/16/2015
                                              Subject: Re: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
                                              Kader, owner of the remains of SandaKahn would be the owner of the K-Line S truck tooling, IF SK didn't simply use SHS tooling to produce K-Line's trucks.
                                              Most manufacturing is now done with as many sub contractors as possible, cheaper that way.
                                              Jim Lyle


                                              Sent from my iPhone


                                              > On Mar 16, 2015, at 2:01 PM, djdewey@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                              >

                                              > It is my understanding that the production of these trucks is farmed out in
                                              > China to "backyard manufacturers" who may or may not be careful with the
                                              > Zamak (pot metal) alloy and heat temperature. I note that the newer ones
                                              > have screws holding the sideframes to the sheet metal part, four per truck.
                                              > Now there's an assembly expense! But if the sideframe metal is bad, the
                                              > screws won't solve the problem either. IMHO, the truck sides are too tall,
                                              > look bulky compared to the ACG ones. Even though the ACG ones had minimal
                                              > detail, it was sufficient and appropriate to the detailing on the rest of
                                              > the cars. (They WERE toys after all!) Somewhere Flyonel should have the
                                              > tooling for the K-Line trucks, which, I'm told, are really nice, and even
                                              > more robust than the SHS trucks. Why aren't they using that tooling?? For
                                              > that matter, why can't they get the electrical pick up arm on the action
                                              > cars right either.
                                              > Hmm, grumpy this morning, ain't I? Back to the woodworking project!!
                                              > Later!
                                              > OH, we had a GREAT group last night on Flyer chat, Be there or be square!!
                                              > :)
                                              > David D.
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                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76061 From: Ron Inscho Date: 3/16/2015
                                              Subject: Re: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
                                              
                                              Lionel is so dumb they don't understand what you are talking about ? I had same problem over 10 years ago , Yes the same trucks are still used on the current version of this car and all of the old line  A F stuff  & they don't know it , I would not get the parts from Lionel as it will just happen again , The only real fix that I can still find is the repro trucks ( like Gilbert sintered iron ) from Doug at port Lines  . He now has a put together a kit of all the parts you need to fix this car so you can actually use it . 

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                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76062 From: James Lyle Date: 3/16/2015
                                              Subject: Re: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
                                              Lionel obviously not "dumb", knowingly selling a defective Product for 10 years with impunity.  More likely just don't care, they still sell what is made for them, 1945 cars, etc.  with updated paint & pricing.  Almost like the guys that make toilet paper, always sells.
                                              Jim Lyle

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                                              On Mar 16, 2015, at 7:53 PM, 'Ron Inscho' roninscho@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                              
                                              Lionel is so dumb they don't understand what you are talking about ? I had same problem over 10 years ago , Yes the same trucks are still used on the current version of this car and all of the old line  A F stuff  & they don't know it , I would not get the parts from Lionel as it will just happen again , The only real fix that I can still find is the repro trucks ( like Gilbert sintered iron ) from Doug at port Lines  . He now has a put together a kit of all the parts you need to fix this car so you can actually use it . 

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                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76063 From: snstrains Date: 3/16/2015
                                              Subject: Re: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
                                              Regarding replacement trucks, the new Ficus trucks are very rugged and good looking. I'm waiting for some 3 spring ones to arrive to use on my track cleaning cars.
                                              Steve
                                               
                                              In a message dated 3/16/2015 6:09:47 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                               

                                              

                                              Lionel is so dumb they don't understand what you are talking about ? I had same problem over 10 years ago , Yes the same trucks are still used on the current version of this car and all of the old line  A F stuff  & they don't know it , I would not get the parts from Lionel as it will just happen again , The only real fix that I can still find is the repro trucks ( like Gilbert sintered iron ) from Doug at port Lines  . He now has a put together a kit of all the parts you need to fix this car so you can actually use it . 

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                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76064 From: snstrains Date: 3/16/2015
                                              Subject: Re: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
                                              K-Line and S-Helper trucks are very different. Not likely the same tooling used.
                                               
                                              Steve
                                               
                                              In a message dated 3/16/2015 5:31:25 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                               

                                              Kader, owner of the remains of SandaKahn would be the owner of the K-Line S truck tooling, IF SK didn't simply use SHS tooling to produce K-Line's trucks.
                                              Most manufacturing is now done with as many sub contractors as possible, cheaper that way.
                                              Jim Lyle

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                                              > On Mar 16, 2015, at 2:01 PM, djdewey@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                              >

                                              > It is my understanding that the production of these trucks is farmed out in
                                              > China to "backyard manufacturers" who may or may not be careful with the
                                              > Zamak (pot metal) alloy and heat temperature. I note that the newer ones
                                              > have screws holding the sideframes to the sheet metal part, four per truck.
                                              > Now there's an assembly expense! But if the sideframe metal is bad, the
                                              > screws won't solve the problem either. IMHO, the truck sides are too tall,
                                              > look bulky compared to the ACG ones. Even though the ACG ones had minimal
                                              > detail, it was sufficient and appropriate to the detailing on the rest of
                                              > the cars. (They WERE toys after all!) Somewhere Flyonel should have the
                                              > tooling for the K-Line trucks, which, I'm told, are really nice, and even
                                              > more robust than the SHS trucks. Why aren't they using that tooling?? For
                                              > that matter, why can't they get the electrical pick up arm on the action
                                              > cars right either.
                                              > Hmm, grumpy this morning, ain't I? Back to the woodworking project!!
                                              > Later!
                                              > OH, we had a GREAT group last night on Flyer chat, Be there or be square!!
                                              > :)
                                              > David D.
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                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76065 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 3/16/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Flyonel coal dump cars
                                              All-

                                              An update on getting parts for my Lionel/AF coal dump car.  I e-mailed Lionel last night asking if the spring was available.  When I got home tonight, there was a response from "Britteny" who said she would be shipping me the spring free of charge for my inconvenience.  That's great service in my book.  Too bad that kind of attention to detail isn't carried over to quality control in production (in China).

                                              Jim E.


                                              From: "jimensign50@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:39:21 PM
                                              Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel coal dump cars

                                               


                                              Mine were loose when they arrived from the vendor and he said since it was new he hadn't checked them.  I assume they fell apart in shipment.

                                              Poor packaging may be part of the problem.  But part of it is the pot metal they use to mold them.  I epoxied my side frames on and that bond held.  Lo and behold two of them broke completely in two where the axle goes in.  I tried to epoxy those small pieces but had no luck other than gluing my fingers together.  Finally I said to H**l with it and ordered a Ficus truck (Yes, it arrived within the week).  Granted it does not match the original on the other end, but it is a far superior truck. I figure I eventually will have to replace the other end as well.  Of course, i managed to lose the tiny spring that helps keep the side closed, so I've got an inquiry in to Big L now to see if replacements are available.  All this for a "new"car.  No more Flyonel action cars for me.

                                              Jim E.


                                              From: "robbe_wan@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 6:49:06 PM
                                              Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel coal dump cars

                                               

                                              I have a question about these cars. Has anyone on the list had one actually break in use or were they all broken in shipment? I have a theory that would imply that they are all broken in shipment, and although the truck design is not highly robust, if my theory is correct the biggest problem is the packaging. So what is the experience of the group...

                                              1. broken in shipment, or
                                              2. broken during use.

                                              I thought about doing a poll, but that requires people to use we access.

                                              Mark





                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76067 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/16/2015
                                              Subject: Re: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks

                                              Greetings,

                                               

                                              For the several years that I have been on this list I have seen literally hundreds, if not a thousand e-mails complaining about Flyonel locomotives, rolling stock and trucks, and how easily they break, and how “dumb” Lionel is for selling them.  Nary a week or day goes by without more complaints, gripes, bitching, kvetching, and whining about Lionel and their manufacturing and marketing practices.  Am I the only one who sees something wrong here?  If Lionel does not want to change their behavior, STOP BUYING FLYONEL.  It’s that easy, just stop. 

                                               

                                              Now can we please converse about some other S-gauge related subject for a change.

                                               

                                              Thanks,

                                               

                                              Jerry F.

                                               

                                               

                                              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                              Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 5:24 PM
                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: Re: [S-Trains] !@#**!! Flyonel trucks

                                               

                                               

                                              Lionel obviously not "dumb", knowingly selling a defective Product for 10 years with impunity.  More likely just don't care, they still sell what is made for them, 1945 cars, etc.  with updated paint & pricing.  Almost like the guys that make toilet paper, always sells.

                                              Jim Lyle


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                                              On Mar 16, 2015, at 7:53 PM, 'Ron Inscho' roninscho@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                              

                                              Lionel is so dumb they don't understand what you are talking about ? I had same problem over 10 years ago , Yes the same trucks are still used on the current version of this car and all of the old line  A F stuff  & they don't know it , I would not get the parts from Lionel as it will just happen again , The only real fix that I can still find is the repro trucks ( like Gilbert sintered iron ) from Doug at port Lines  . He now has a put together a kit of all the parts you need to fix this car so you can actually use it . 

                                               

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                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76068 From: traindavid Date: 3/16/2015
                                              Subject: Lionel Production complaints: was: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
                                              Jerry F. wrote;
                                              "For the several years that I have been on this list I have seen literally
                                              hundreds, if not a thousand e-mails complaining about Flyonel locomotives,
                                              rolling stock and trucks, and how easily they break, and how “dumb” Lionel
                                              is for selling them. Nary a week or day goes by without more complaints,
                                              gripes, bitching, kvetching, and whining about Lionel and their
                                              manufacturing and marketing practices. Am I the only one who sees something
                                              wrong here? If Lionel does not want to change their behavior, STOP BUYING
                                              FLYONEL. It’s that easy, just stop."


                                              Well, that's not exactly true, in almost all points. Flyonel has done some
                                              good stuff and has improved some of their efforts. The first BIG loco, the
                                              Big Boy was done with K-Line tooling, without altering it to fit into the AF
                                              operating environment (trailing trucks too wide, tender wheel sides too wide
                                              too), the next attempt, the challenger, was much better, although there were
                                              problems. Mostly this can be likely blamed on production being in China and
                                              the production line doesn't really understand what they are making. The Y
                                              locos are almost superb, will even back through ACG switches back to back.
                                              This shows SOME change in behavior! I hope the Berkshire is this way too.


                                              Some of their mistakes are in not trusting ACG's engineering (or not
                                              understanding it, like the die cast coupler bodies they used for a few
                                              years--when the paint wears through, direct shorts!). Another example of not
                                              understanding ACG's engineering is the current Knuckle Couplers that don't
                                              open enough for reliable remote control coupling/uncoupling. If you've never
                                              looked at an ACG coupler, do so--note how the knuckle opens wide enough to
                                              allow another one to enter, even if closed (provided everything is lined
                                              up), and the face of the knuckle meets the tongue, which is shaped to allow
                                              it to close the knuckle, then the weight drops down the latching "pin"
                                              (actually the end of the weight's shaft). Seems simple, but there was a lot
                                              of at least imagineering involved to get it all 'just right.' In spite of
                                              all their efforts, Flyonel's folks haven't managed to improve on it, though
                                              they have tried!


                                              The latest product, the smoking caboose, gave me an insight to what is
                                              likely their major problem--everything is apparently designed by committee,
                                              and farmed out. Five years to put a smoke unit in existing tooling. When
                                              finally produced and delivered, the instruction sheet is from an earlier
                                              design (it's copywritten in 2013!). If a single individual were in charge of
                                              the product, I’m certain he or she would have seen the issue and fixed it,
                                              but no, its all done by committee, so left hand/right hand do not
                                              communicate. Big L isn't General Motors, it's actually a small
                                              manufacturer, so there is no (in my eyes) good reason for this kind of
                                              disconnect in production. I hear the O gauge guys have similar complaints
                                              about their "stuff."


                                              As to stop buying Flyonel, well, gee, I pretty much have, both because of my
                                              economic situation and too much stuff here! Also, not a lot I want (Yes I'm
                                              getting the Polar Express, and I do cast a coveting eye on the Berks--but. .
                                              . (Now if they put out an SP Cab Forward or a N&W 611, or an SP 2-6-0 with
                                              Vanderbilt tender (1727, please) I would HAVE to have one!) ). I do hope
                                              someone tells them to paint the ends of the new Daylight cars red, not
                                              silver like the first batch--this would differentiate them from the 1981
                                              production, and be prototypically correct. (I find it somewhat amusing that
                                              they are listed as "NEW" in the current catalog.)


                                              I hope this ranting isn't considered "whining" but constructive criticism
                                              and maybe illuminating??
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76069 From: tennsgauger Date: 3/17/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Berkshire
                                              Allen, can you provide a link to the utube video ?  I am interested in possibly buying the 2716 version of the loco as I rode behind her on Southern excursions. 
                                               
                                              Am also interested in any comments from this group about conversion to scale wheels and conversion to DCC.
                                               
                                                -  Earl Henry, Nashville
                                               
                                               
                                               
                                              In a message dated 3/16/2015 9:54:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                               

                                              I have been impressed with the previous S products Lionel has put out.
                                              After seeing the YouTube video of this loco, it is quite compelling, having the synced smoke and sounds.  I do have a habit of changing out pizza cutter wheels, while the drivers are perfectly acceptable, requiring no such action.  So for the cost involved, there really is good reason to put put this loco on the line and to drive the dickens out of it..

                                              W. Allen Evans
                                              NASG / NMRA


                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76070 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/17/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Lionel Production complaints: was: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks

                                              I have no issue at all with any of what you wrote.  It is a history.

                                               

                                              What bothers me are the repetitive letters, the essence of which is along the line of:

                                              “Gee, I bought this Lionel (fill in the blank) that a bunch of other people on this list had a problem with and Lionel wouldn’t fix, and now I am surprised or can’t understand why I have that same problem.”

                                               

                                              One definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over, and expecting a different outcome each time.

                                               

                                              All I am asking is that when someone buys something that has a known problem, they take responsibility for their action and not complain about it to everyone when that problem appears.

                                               

                                              Thanks!

                                               

                                              Jerry F.

                                               

                                              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                              Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 8:54 PM
                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Production complaints: was: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks

                                               

                                               

                                              Jerry F. wrote;
                                              "For the several years that I have been on this list I have seen literally
                                              hundreds, if not a thousand e-mails complaining about Flyonel locomotives,
                                              rolling stock and trucks, and how easily they break, and how “dumb” Lionel
                                              is for selling them. Nary a week or day goes by without more complaints,
                                              gripes, bitching, kvetching, and whining about Lionel and their
                                              manufacturing and marketing practices. Am I the only one who sees something
                                              wrong here? If Lionel does not want to change their behavior, STOP BUYING
                                              FLYONEL. It’s that easy, just stop."

                                              Well, that's not exactly true, in almost all points. Flyonel has done some
                                              good stuff and has improved some of their efforts. The first BIG loco, the
                                              Big Boy was done with K-Line tooling, without altering it to fit into the AF
                                              operating environment (trailing trucks too wide, tender wheel sides too wide
                                              too), the next attempt, the challenger, was much better, although there were
                                              problems. Mostly this can be likely blamed on production being in China and
                                              the production line doesn't really understand what they are making. The Y
                                              locos are almost superb, will even back through ACG switches back to back.
                                              This shows SOME change in behavior! I hope the Berkshire is this way too.

                                              Some of their mistakes are in not trusting ACG's engineering (or not
                                              understanding it, like the die cast coupler bodies they used for a few
                                              years--when the paint wears through, direct shorts!). Another example of not
                                              understanding ACG's engineering is the current Knuckle Couplers that don't
                                              open enough for reliable remote control coupling/uncoupling. If you've never
                                              looked at an ACG coupler, do so--note how the knuckle opens wide enough to
                                              allow another one to enter, even if closed (provided everything is lined
                                              up), and the face of the knuckle meets the tongue, which is shaped to allow
                                              it to close the knuckle, then the weight drops down the latching "pin"
                                              (actually the end of the weight's shaft). Seems simple, but there was a lot
                                              of at least imagineering involved to get it all 'just right.' In spite of
                                              all their efforts, Flyonel's folks haven't managed to improve on it, though
                                              they have tried!

                                              The latest product, the smoking caboose, gave me an insight to what is
                                              likely their major problem--everything is apparently designed by committee,
                                              and farmed out. Five years to put a smoke unit in existing tooling. When
                                              finally produced and delivered, the instruction sheet is from an earlier
                                              design (it's copywritten in 2013!). If a single individual were in charge of
                                              the product, I’m certain he or she would have seen the issue and fixed it,
                                              but no, its all done by committee, so left hand/right hand do not
                                              communicate. Big L isn't General Motors, it's actually a small
                                              manufacturer, so there is no (in my eyes) good reason for this kind of
                                              disconnect in production. I hear the O gauge guys have similar complaints
                                              about their "stuff."

                                              As to stop buying Flyonel, well, gee, I pretty much have, both because of my
                                              economic situation and too much stuff here! Also, not a lot I want (Yes I'm
                                              getting the Polar Express, and I do cast a coveting eye on the Berks--but. .
                                              . (Now if they put out an SP Cab Forward or a N&W 611, or an SP 2-6-0 with
                                              Vanderbilt tender (1727, please) I would HAVE to have one!) ). I do hope
                                              someone tells them to paint the ends of the new Daylight cars red, not
                                              silver like the first batch--this would differentiate them from the 1981
                                              production, and be prototypically correct. (I find it somewhat amusing that
                                              they are listed as "NEW" in the current catalog.)

                                              I hope this ranting isn't considered "whining" but constructive criticism
                                              and maybe illuminating??

                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76071 From: Mark Kiner Date: 3/17/2015
                                              Subject: Coal dump cars
                                              Reference the comments below:

                                              First I have been on this list since back in the egroups days, and I started this tread, and the issue was:

                                              1.) Is shipping damage part of what is going on? what prompted my post is I sold one that was not broken prior to shipping and it arrived broken.

                                              2.) I bought all of my dump cars prior to the first truck failure post I remember reading. So I did NOT buy something with a KNOWN issue.

                                              3) I asked for responses about broken while running or arrived broken, and this was just out of curiosity as I have read all the post in the past, and most of them seemed to be "arrived broken" , but I wanted a survey.

                                              4) I have not purchase a new Lionel item since I bought the Christmas dump car which was issued almost 10 years ago. ( so I claim not to be insane)

                                              I rarely post here, and this is why.

                                              Mark


                                              What bothers me are the repetitive letters, the essence of which is along the line of:
                                              “Gee, I bought this Lionel (fill in the blank) that a bunch of other people on this list had a problem with and Lionel wouldn’t fix, and now I am surprised or can’t understand why I have that same problem.”


                                              Jerry F. wrote;
                                              "For the several years that I have been on this list I have seen literally
                                              hundreds, if not a thousand e-mails complaining about Flyonel locomotives,
                                              rolling stock and trucks, and how easily they break, and how “dumb” Lionel
                                              is for selling them. Nary a week or day goes by without more complaints,
                                              gripes, bitching, kvetching, and whining about Lionel and their
                                              manufacturing and marketing practices. Am I the only one who sees something
                                              wrong here? If Lionel does not want to change their behavior, STOP BUYING
                                              FLYONEL. It’s that easy, just stop."
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76072 From: Mark Speichert Date: 3/17/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Lionel Production complaints: was: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
                                              Well said Jerry F. -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 3/17/15, 'Gerald Feldman' gfeldman2904@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Lionel Production complaints: was: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2015, 1:12 AM I have no issue at all with any of what you wrote. It is a history. What bothers me are the repetitive letters, the essence of which is along the line of:“Gee, I bought this Lionel (fill in the blank) that a bunch of other people on this list had a problem with and Lionel wouldn’t fix, and now I am surprised or can’t understand why I have that same problem.” One definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over, and expecting a different outcome each time. All I am asking is that when someone buys something that has a known problem, they take responsibility for their action and not complain about it to everyone when that problem appears. Thanks! Jerry F.
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76073 From: redpinto756@... Date: 3/17/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Lionel Production complaints: was: !@#**!! Flyonel trucks
                                              ditto for Jerry.  It is sad to realize that the cosmic dust that you find on the internet won't fix this problem.  Plus 50 years from now, those rare cars that don't have this problem will be worth a fortune


                                              In defense of toy designers(my son being one of them).  Limited production runs prevent you from correcting problems from occurring.  Even when you want to produce a fix, the lead time to fix it might be 6 or 7 years out.  Heck, it takes the big auto makers 8 or 9 years to admit that they have a problem.  just got a letter from Honda that they will replace the airbag on my 2003 crv 4 years from now.  
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76074 From: racin510 Date: 3/17/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Coal dump cars
                                              Did I just hear Stumpy pulling his "Flame Suit" out of the closet?
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76075 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/17/2015
                                              Subject: As long as it sells...

                                              The attitude in manufacturing today, from small outfits to major corporations, seem to be; if it sells, make more no matter how screwed up it is.  In an earlier post, the various auto industry are used as an example of this, and correctly so.  Bad ignition switch?  Run it until  you HAVE to change it.  Bad electronics?  Run 'em until they are replaced by newer bad electronics. Exploding air bags?  Stuck accelerator? RUN IT!


                                              I know two retired Detroit auto executives.  One GM engineer, and one a Ford engineering/legal department guy.  BOTH told me virtually the same thing; The "Bean Counters" hold final decision on everything!  And they will kill a part for as little as a nickel in some cases. (After all, five cents a car for a run of 400,000 cars is "real money.") It takes government intervention to get dangerously faulty parts replaced!  And then everyone at corporate headquarters points fingers at someone else.  If you've ever seen the old newspaper cartoon of the Boss Tweed Scandal  where all of Tweed's henchmen are standing in a circle pointing to the guy next to them, you know what goes on.


                                              Most toy and hobby manufacturers are tiny compared to the auto companies, but the same sort of thing prevails.  Why?  Because they learned it from watching the major corporations or are owned by Holding Companies that demand instant profits or "heads will roll."  This way of doing business fits well with the Chinese way of doing business which is "cut throat" to say the least.


                                              The image of a few guys building trains in a small shop as HO was in the fifties, or a toy manufacture with a hundred people making trains in time for Christmas is bogus today.  Like all the crap "sold on TV for $19.95" most hobby and toy items are made in vast sweat shops by underpaid people who can't even imagine what it is that they are making, will never need it, and don't give a damn.  Has no one watched the many shows like CBS "60 Minutes" and the various other news programs which have showed this MANY times?


                                              It's all about the money!  So the only way to ring a bell in most corporate offices is for huge numbers of people to stop buying there crap until they notice the money isn't coming in anymore.  It's sort of like the old saying about wacking a mule on the side of his head with a two by four to get his attention!


                                              My GM engineering friend said it this way: Corporations are like a Brontosaurus walking along.  Little dinosaurs run out and chew on the big dino's tail until the pain signal travels all the way from the tail to the brain and the Brontosaurus turns around and snaps at the little ones.  Of course by then, a good part of it's tail is gone!"


                                              I guess there's not enough of we Velosaraptors out there chewing on the Lionelasaur's tail yet?


                                              Stumpy in Ahia

                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76076 From: Tom Date: 3/17/2015
                                              Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] !@#**!! Flyonel trucks - Flyonel response
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76077 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/18/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Coal dump cars

                                              Mark,

                                               

                                              Please note that my comments did not (and were never intended to) single out any particular individual.  They were about the “broken record” nature of the complaints, and not just the non-functioning locomotives, defective knuckle couplers, or broken trucks (though that particular theme seems to have been recurring frequently of late). If you see my comments as directed at you personally, then I am sorry you feel that way.   

                                               

                                              Jerry F.

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                              Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:21 AM
                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: [S-Trains] Coal dump cars

                                               

                                               

                                              Reference the comments below:

                                               

                                              First I have been on this list since back in the egroups days, and I started this tread, and the issue was:

                                               

                                              1.) Is shipping damage part of what is going on? what prompted my post is I sold one that was not broken prior to shipping and it arrived broken.

                                               

                                              2.) I bought all of my dump cars prior to the first truck failure post I remember reading. So I did NOT buy something with a KNOWN issue.

                                               

                                              3) I asked for responses about broken while running or arrived broken, and this was just out of curiosity as I have read all the post in the past, and most of them seemed to be "arrived broken" , but I wanted a survey.

                                               

                                              4) I have not purchase a new Lionel item since I bought the Christmas dump car which was issued almost 10 years ago. ( so I claim not to be insane)

                                               

                                              I rarely post here, and this is why.

                                               

                                              Mark

                                               

                                               

                                              What bothers me are the repetitive letters, the essence of which is along the line of:

                                              “Gee, I bought this Lionel (fill in the blank) that a bunch of other people on this list had a problem with and Lionel wouldn’t fix, and now I am surprised or can’t understand why I have that same problem.”

                                               

                                               

                                              Jerry F. wrote;
                                              "For the several years that I have been on this list I have seen literally
                                              hundreds, if not a thousand e-mails complaining about Flyonel locomotives,
                                              rolling stock and trucks, and how easily they break, and how “dumb” Lionel
                                              is for selling them. Nary a week or day goes by without more complaints,
                                              gripes, bitching, kvetching, and whining about Lionel and their
                                              manufacturing and marketing practices. Am I the only one who sees something
                                              wrong here? If Lionel does not want to change their behavior, STOP BUYING
                                              FLYONEL. It’s that easy, just stop."

                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76078 From: Ron Inscho Date: 3/19/2015
                                              Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
                                              
                                              any updates on the LBR case ?
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76080 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 3/20/2015
                                              Subject: Big Boy for sale
                                              Dear Group Members,


                                              I found an AF Big Boy #4014 for sale at a local train shop for $565. It
                                              has no packaging and they cannot absolutely confirm it runs (though they
                                              believe it does). It is a predominately HO/N gauge shop with little
                                              interest in S or O gauge trains.


                                              The shop buys collections and sells used trains.


                                              If anyone is interested in this engine, I will be happy to buy it and
                                              ship it. I already own a BB and don't need another one, but I thought it
                                              would be nice to get it into interested hands.


                                              Please let me know if there is any interest-


                                              Ben
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76081 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 3/20/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Big Boy for sale
                                              I don't really want a Big Boy nor do I have room for one but in my honest opinion even if it needs to be re-motored it is well worth the cost.
                                                                                                               Bob Lampe
                                                                                                               Kalispell,MT
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76082 From: racin510 Date: 3/20/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Berkshire
                                              How do you know the detail will be different from the PE?
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76083 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 3/21/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Berkshire

                                              . Not timid about installing DCC if it is needed

                                               

                                              Hi Allen,

                                               

                                              We put together an operating system compatibility chart on the 0 Gauge Forum S section.  The Berks will come with FlyerChief+.  They are not DCC ready or compatible other than they are ready to be gutted.  FlyerChief+ operates at a constant voltage, AC or DC, and each Berk will have its own dedicated controller.

                                               

                                              I to would like to know why you think the Berks will have more detail than the PE Berk.  I didn’t think any definitive news was out yet.

                                               

                                              Tom

                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76084 From: Ray Puls Date: 3/21/2015
                                              Subject: Big Boy for sale
                                              Hello,
                                              I am not looking for a Big Boy at this time but I am putting your notice in my saved mail for future reference if I might want to purchase at a later date. I also own one of the B Bs along with the Challenger. I actually like the Big Boy more, I think the sound is better and it has been less of a troublesome engine, never needed service. Challenger was back to Lionel twice without a lot of running time.
                                              Thanks
                                              Ray
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76085 From: frbpman Date: 3/21/2015
                                              Subject: S Guage Layout at Worlds Greatest Hobby on Tour Show-ANNOUNCEMENT

                                              Hello folks on behalf of our club and to promote S Gauge, the South Jersey S Gaugers will be displaying our 12’ X 26’ highly detailed three level Hi Rail layout at the World’s Greatest Hobby on Tour Show:


                                              March 28 and 29

                                              New Jersey Expo Center

                                              97 Sunfield Ave., Edison, NJ


                                              Our layout includes three concentric ovals of American Models code 148 nickel silver track, one point to point upper loop section and another point to point section of Showcase Line S-Track with animated accessories such as a Barrel Loader, Coal Loader, Log Loader, Lumber Unloading Car, Magnetic Crane, Mail Car, Saw Mill, Station/Baggage Smasher, custom built animated Track Gang, Dump Truck and Icing Platform.


                                              Lionel, MTH and The National Association of S Gaugers will have booths. Many more layouts of all gauges will also be displayed at this show.


                                              For more show information check online:  


                                               http://www.WGHSHow.com  


                                              (Edison NJ Show).

                                               

                                              If you can make it to the show, please stop by and say HI to the “S” crew.

                                               

                                              Thanks,

                                              Hank Worrell, president

                                              Ken Palmer, vice president

                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76086 From: Harley J Date: 3/21/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Berkshire
                                              I've got one order. Thought maybe if needed, I'd try weathering to hide some of the possible AF toy like look. 


                                              Sent from my Galaxy S®III
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76087 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 3/21/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Berkshire
                                              You could also try removing some or all of the cast on details and add brass or white metal detail parts to make it look more to scale. Micro-Mark has several tools for removing cast on details.
                                                                                                     Bob Lampe
                                                                                                     Kalispell,MT
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76088 From: racin510 Date: 3/21/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Big Boy for sale
                                              Not hardly everyone's experience with the Big Boy! Even my local, very experienced, Lionel tech considers the BB a botched effort all around while he almost never sees a Challenger in for repair.
                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76089 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/21/2015
                                              Subject: Re: Big Boy for sale
                                              Re: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy for sale My experience has been the same. BB is OK, but Challenger is great.

                                              While I am not particularly a rivet counter, I am a little bothered by the oversize trailing trucks and its inability to back through turnouts. I know it’s fixable, and soon as the $300 flies in the window I will have it done.

                                              Roy Inman


                                              on 3/21/15, 5:13 PM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                               
                                               
                                               
                                                 

                                              Not hardly everyone's experience with the Big Boy! Even my local, very experienced, Lionel tech considers the BB a botched effort all around while he almost never sees a Challenger in for repair.
                                               
                                                 



                                              Roy
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                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76090 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/21/2015
                                              Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 23 March 2015
                                              Attachments :
                                                "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                When
                                                Monday, 23 March 2015
                                                12:00 AM to 06:30 AM
                                                (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
                                                Where
                                                http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                Notes
                                                SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76091 From: Donald Keil Date: 3/21/2015
                                                Subject: Re: S Guage Layout at Worlds Greatest Hobby on Tour Show-ANNOUNCEMEN
                                                Do you have pictures or video of your layout?

                                                Don Keil 
                                                West Mich S Guagers



                                                On Saturday, March 21, 2015 12:42 PM, "kennypalmer44@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                 
                                                Hello folks on behalf of our club and to promote S Gauge, the South Jersey S Gaugers will be displaying our 12’ X 26’ highly detailed three level Hi Rail layout at the World’s Greatest Hobby on Tour Show:

                                                March 28 and 29
                                                New Jersey Expo Center
                                                97 Sunfield Ave., Edison, NJ

                                                Our layout includes three concentric ovals of American Models code 148 nickel silver track, one point to point upper loop section and another point to point section of Showcase Line S-Track with animated accessories such as a Barrel Loader, Coal Loader, Log Loader, Lumber Unloading Car, Magnetic Crane, Mail Car, Saw Mill, Station/Baggage Smasher, custom built animated Track Gang, Dump Truck and Icing Platform.

                                                Lionel, MTH and The National Association of S Gaugers will have booths. Many more layouts of all gauges will also be displayed at this show.

                                                For more show information check online:  


                                                (Edison NJ Show).
                                                 
                                                If you can make it to the show, please stop by and say HI to the “S” crew.
                                                 
                                                Thanks,
                                                Hank Worrell, president
                                                Ken Palmer, vice president


                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76092 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/22/2015
                                                Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 23 March 2015
                                                Attachments :
                                                  "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                  When
                                                  Monday, 23 March 2015
                                                  12:00 AM to 06:30 AM
                                                  (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
                                                  Where
                                                  http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                  Notes
                                                  SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76093 From: railtwister Date: 3/22/2015
                                                  Subject: Re: Berkshire
                                                  Could this (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FCSoRkq7lj4) be the video of the AF Polar Express that Allen saw and now can't find? It was taken this year at a WGH Show. I echo the question as to whether the individual Berks will have any better level of detail than the PE, since no production units have been shown yet. I do hope that the awful PE "cowcatcher" will at least be replaced by something more prototypical, and separately applied handrails would be a big plus in my book, as well.

                                                  As far as whether or not it will run on DCC, that remains to be seen as well, for the same reason. However, that question by itself is a somewhat loaded one. If the question actually is "will the Berk run on my DCC equipped S gauge layout using my DCC controller?", then the answer is likely to be "NO". But if the question is "will it run on my DCC S gauge layout using the DCC supplied constant track voltage with the control from it's supplied "Flyer Chief" handheld remote controller?", then that answer is probably "YES", based on my own experience with the similar LionChief control system on my Lionel O-3 rail Mikado. This was my first and only Lionel O 3-rail locomotive purchase ever, and I must say that I am very favorably impressed by this little loco, in spite of the facts that it is not scale and is 3-rail. It will run on fixed voltage AC or DC power supplied from a wall wart, Lionel transformer, or MTH DCS or Lionel TMCC digital controls, but must be controlled using it's handheld controller. It does have a slide switch to allow it to run on conventional AC power using the knob on the Lionel transformer, without the LionChief controller. The loco runs smoothly and can run at fairly low speeds, plus it draws very little power.

                                                  Because of my experience with my LionChief O 3-rail Mike, I went ahead and took a chance by ordering two of the AF Berks, a C&O and a Nickel Plate, in the hope that they will be at least as good as the LionChief, and this is coming from someone who has never been able to tolerate deep flanges and lobster-claw couplers!

                                                  Bill in FtL


                                                  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote :

                                                  You could also try removing some or all of the cast on details and add brass or white metal detail parts to make it look more to scale. Micro-Mark has several tools for removing cast on details.
                                                                                                         Bob Lampe
                                                                                                         Kalispell,MT
                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76094 From: racin510 Date: 3/22/2015
                                                  Subject: Re: Berkshire
                                                  Study the new AF catalog which shows both pretty well. I see much better number boards and cow catcher on the Berkshires vs the PE. Other detailing  looks the same to me.
                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76095 From: JOHN RUTH Date: 3/23/2015
                                                  Subject: The Passing of Joe Haenn
                                                  It is with great sadness that I share with the S Gauge community the news of the death of Joe Haenn of Joe's Train Repair in Rougemont, NC. Joe was active in S Gauge and the model train hobby in so many ways. He was one of the organizers of the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gauge and actively participated in the events of the club. He was with us when we displayed our largest layout at the WGH Show in Raleigh in January. 
                                                  Joe had fought a great fight against cancer and the side effects from his treatments. His wife Lynn and family were with him when he died at home Sunday morning.
                                                  Jack Ruth
                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76096 From: snstrains Date: 3/23/2015
                                                  Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
                                                  Aloha Joe. We will miss you.
                                                   
                                                  Steve Blackburn
                                                  Boise, Idaho
                                                   
                                                  In a message dated 3/23/2015 6:35:25 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                   

                                                  It is with great sadness that I share with the S Gauge community the news of the death of Joe Haenn of Joe's Train Repair in Rougemont, NC. Joe was active in S Gauge and the model train hobby in so many ways. He was one of the organizers of the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gauge and actively participated in the events of the club. He was with us when we displayed our largest layout at the WGH Show in Raleigh in January. 
                                                  Joe had fought a great fight against cancer and the side effects from his treatments. His wife Lynn and family were with him when he died at home Sunday morning.
                                                  Jack Ruth

                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76097 From: trndad Date: 3/23/2015
                                                  Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn

                                                  I first met Joe through my association with the Atlantic Coast S-Gauger's Tidewater Division. As their unofficial repair guy I used to load up on parts whenever I attended a show at which Joe had set up his parts business.  He was extremely knowledgeable about American Flyer, and over the years I learned quite a bit from him about how to perform specific repairs that I had not had the opportunity to try before.

                                                   

                                                  My fondest memory would have to be the February 2014 Greenberg show in Virginia Beach where we sat side-by-side for hours at my workbench in the center of our club layout and repaired trains, and where he shared many tips and stories about difficult or unusual repairs. The illness had taken its toll, leaving him easily fatigued, but he persevered. I will always cherish the sage repair advice he shared with me on that and so many other occasions. Joe, you will be sorely missed!

                                                   

                                                  My sincere condolences to his family and friends.

                                                   

                                                  Dean Hall
                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76098 From: mike gardner Date: 3/23/2015
                                                  Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
                                                  I have known Joe for years and will really miss him.




                                                  On Monday, March 23, 2015 1:00 PM, "boss31@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                   
                                                  Aloha Joe. We will miss you.
                                                   
                                                  Steve Blackburn
                                                  Boise, Idaho
                                                   
                                                  In a message dated 3/23/2015 6:35:25 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                   
                                                  It is with great sadness that I share with the S Gauge community the news of the death of Joe Haenn of Joe's Train Repair in Rougemont, NC. Joe was active in S Gauge and the model train hobby in so many ways. He was one of the organizers of the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gauge and actively participated in the events of the club. He was with us when we displayed our largest layout at the WGH Show in Raleigh in January. 
                                                  Joe had fought a great fight against cancer and the side effects from his treatments. His wife Lynn and family were with him when he died at home Sunday morning.
                                                  Jack Ruth


                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76099 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/23/2015
                                                  Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
                                                  Sad news indeed…… :(


                                                  On Mar 23, 2015, at 4:56 AM, JOHN RUTH afdinger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                   

                                                  It is with great sadness that I share with the S Gauge community the news of the death of Joe Haenn of Joe's Train Repair in Rougemont, NC. Joe was active in S Gauge and the model train hobby in so many ways. He was one of the organizers of the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gauge and actively participated in the events of the club. He was with us when we displayed our largest layout at the WGH Show in Raleigh in January. 
                                                  Joe had fought a great fight against cancer and the side effects from his treatments. His wife Lynn and family were with him when he died at home Sunday morning.
                                                  Jack Ruth


                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76100 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/23/2015
                                                  Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
                                                  A great man has fallen. Joe will be greatly missed.

                                                  Bob Graves
                                                  TheGilbertGallery.org
                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76101 From: timstrains2000 Date: 3/23/2015
                                                  Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
                                                  I liked Joe. He was a good & honest man. He was one of my sponsors into the TCA, many years ago. RIP, Joe.

                                                  ...Tim
                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76102 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 3/23/2015
                                                  Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
                                                  Does anyone have a nice photo of Joe or is there one already on a web site somewhere that I may publish on the NASG web site, to share with the community this loss?

                                                  Joe was an active NASG member.

                                                  http://www.nasg.org/Membership/index.php#farewell

                                                  Thank you,
                                                   - Peter
                                                     (NASG webmaster)


                                                  On 03/23/2015 6:56 am, JOHN RUTH afdinger@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                  It is with great sadness that I share with the S Gauge community the news of the death of Joe Haenn of Joe's Train Repair in Rougemont, NC. Joe was active in S Gauge and the model train hobby in so many ways. He was one of the organizers of the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gauge and actively participated in the events of the club. He was with us when we displayed our largest layout at the WGH Show in Raleigh in January. 
                                                  Joe had fought a great fight against cancer and the side effects from his treatments. His wife Lynn and family were with him when he died at home Sunday morning.
                                                  Jack Ruth

                                                  -- 
                                                  Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
                                                  Houston, Texas
                                                  
                                                  
                                                  My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
                                                  My business site: http://fourthray.com/
                                                  Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/
                                                  NASG site: http://nasg.org/
                                                  
                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76103 From: Barry Date: 3/23/2015
                                                  Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
                                                  Attachments :
                                                  Hi Peter:
                                                   
                                                  I have attached a photo of Joe that you may want to use.  This photo was taken October 2013 at the Reliance Fire Hall helping me with Fred Jester inventory items.  I have known and have been good friends with Joe for about 18 years.  Every York Joe, Fred Jester and myself would go out to eat and then go to the flyernut meeting. We will miss him greatly!  If you need anything else please let me know.
                                                   
                                                  Thanks
                                                  Barry King
                                                   
                                                  Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 5:09 PM
                                                  Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Passing of Joe Haenn
                                                   
                                                   

                                                  Does anyone have a nice photo of Joe or is there one already on a web site somewhere that I may publish on the NASG web site, to share with the community this loss?

                                                  Joe was an active NASG member.

                                                  http://www.nasg.org/Membership/index.php#farewell

                                                  Thank you,
                                                   - Peter
                                                     (NASG webmaster)


                                                  On 03/23/2015 6:56 am, JOHN RUTH afdinger@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                  It is with great sadness that I share with the S Gauge community the news of the death of Joe Haenn of Joe's Train Repair in Rougemont, NC. Joe was active in S Gauge and the model train hobby in so many ways. He was one of the organizers of the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gauge and actively participated in the events of the club. He was with us when we displayed our largest layout at the WGH Show in Raleigh in January.
                                                  Joe had fought a great fight against cancer and the side effects from his treatments. His wife Lynn and family were with him when he died at home Sunday morning.
                                                  Jack Ruth

                                                  --
                                                  Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
                                                  Houston, Texas
                                                  
                                                  
                                                  
                                                  
                                                  My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
                                                  My business site: http://fourthray.com/
                                                  Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/
                                                  NASG site: http://nasg.org/
                                                  
                                                    @@attachment@@
                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76104 From: James Lyle Date: 3/23/2015
                                                  Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
                                                  Facebook possibly

                                                  Jim Lyle

                                                  Sent from my iPhone

                                                  On Mar 23, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Peter Vanvliet groups@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                  Does anyone have a nice photo of Joe or is there one already on a web site somewhere that I may publish on the NASG web site, to share with the community this loss?

                                                  Joe was an active NASG member.

                                                  http://www.nasg.org/Membership/index.php#farewell

                                                  Thank you,
                                                   - Peter
                                                     (NASG webmaster)


                                                  On 03/23/2015 6:56 am, JOHN RUTH afdinger@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                  It is with great sadness that I share with the S Gauge community the news of the death of Joe Haenn of Joe's Train Repair in Rougemont, NC. Joe was active in S Gauge and the model train hobby in so many ways. He was one of the organizers of the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gauge and actively participated in the events of the club. He was with us when we displayed our largest layout at the WGH Show in Raleigh in January. 
                                                  Joe had fought a great fight against cancer and the side effects from his treatments. His wife Lynn and family were with him when he died at home Sunday morning.
                                                  Jack Ruth

                                                  --
                                                  Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
                                                  Houston, Texas
                                                  
                                                  
                                                  
                                                  
                                                  My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
                                                  My business site: http://fourthray.com/
                                                  Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/
                                                  NASG site: http://nasg.org/
                                                  
                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76105 From: race944t Date: 3/23/2015
                                                  Subject: Joe Haenn (Joe's Train Repair) funeral arrangements

                                                  I received a call from Lynn Haenn and in case you were unaware, Joe Haenn passed away Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 11:30 am.  His family was with him at the time.

                                                   

                                                  Lynn wanted me to let everyone know the funeral arrangements.  I’m sorry if you receive more than one notice as you might be on several different lists I have.  I will try to catch as many duplicates as possible.  I know we will all miss him.  I’m sure we each have many stories of how he touched our lives.

                                                   

                                                  Mt Sylvan United Methodist Church
                                                  5731 N Roxboro Road
                                                  Durham, North Carolina 27712
                                                  Friday, March 27th, 2015 at 2:00pm

                                                  In lieu of flowers please make donations to:
                                                  Save Rougemont Depot
                                                  Make check payable to Preservation Durham, specify "Rougemont Depot" in the memo field on the check, and send to:

                                                  PreservationDurham
                                                  PO Box 25411
                                                  Durham, NC 27701
                                                  www.preservationdurham.org

                                                   

                                                  Bill Clark

                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76106 From: bobville Date: 3/23/2015
                                                  Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
                                                  I will miss Joe greatly. I had bought a lot of parts from him and had a lot of respect for him. May God bless him and the family left behind. Robert Persing







                                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                                  From: JOHN RUTH afdinger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 07:56:47 -0400 (EDT)
                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] The Passing of Joe Haenn


                                                  It is with great sadness that I share with the S Gauge community the news of the death of Joe Haenn of Joe's Train Repair in Rougemont, NC. Joe was active in S Gauge and the model train hobby in so many ways. He was one of the organizers of the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gauge and actively participated in the events of the club. He was with us when we displayed our largest layout at the WGH Show in Raleigh in January. Joe had fought a great fight against cancer and the side effects from his treatments. His wife Lynn and family were with him when he died at home Sunday morning.Jack Ru
                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76107 From: JOHN RUTH Date: 3/24/2015
                                                  Subject: Pictorial Tribute to Joe Haenn
                                                  Marvin Thiel, who is the Carolina Division web master for ACSG, has posted a tribute to Joe with some pics of Joe and his parts display that many of us have seen at shows. Here is the link  http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/JoeH/JoeH.html.

                                                  Joe was always ready to help someone get their trains running even if it was three rail. He was a promoter of the hobby and did all he could to get a younger generation into trains. When I visited him two weeks ago he was concerned that he had so many repairs that he just was not able to fix and would have to be returned. The spirit was willing but the flesh was weak. I just hope that the spirit of Joe Haenn will continue in all of us as we share the love of trains of all scales with people of all ages.
                                                  Someday we will meet him again at the great station.
                                                  Jack Ruth


                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76108 From: railtwister Date: 3/24/2015
                                                  Subject: Re: Berkshire
                                                  I forgot to mention in my previous post that while Chief + locos operating on digital layouts such as DCS, TMCC, and DCC must be run using their own specific controllers, their operation will not effect the simultaneous operation of other locos that are being controlled by the digital system, since the Chief+ is only using the constant track voltage, and not the digital control signal.

                                                  As far as studying catalog illustrations and copy to determine what a yet to be produced item will be like when it's released, this is just not very reliable, because all too often, specifications may change many times before an item is actually on the dealer's shelves, and many times the illustrations are either just artwork, or may even be retouched photos of similar items in a different scale, not even necessarily something produced by the same manufacturer!

                                                  Bill in FtL
                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76109 From: lionely6b Date: 3/24/2015
                                                  Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
                                                  Joe was great guy, indeed. Very sorry to hear of his passing.

                                                  Bob Bubeck
                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76110 From: Lamont Heppe Date: 3/24/2015
                                                  Subject: Re: The Passing of Joe Haenn
                                                  Joe was a good friend and always ready to help with any S gauge questions. My favorite was when I asked what to use to model oyster shells in S. Joe came up with the perfect solution, quinoa grains.
                                                  Joe, thanks for all the help, you will be always missed and remembered.


                                                  Monte Heppe
                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76111 From: Art Cooper Date: 3/24/2015
                                                  Subject: Norfolk Southern: What Daddy does for a living
                                                  Hello Everyone
                                                   
                                                  I just received this post from a different group – I believe that all will enjoy
                                                   
                                                   
                                                  Best Regards,
                                                   
                                                  Art Cooper
                                                  North Texas
                                                   
                                                  Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 4:13 PM
                                                  Subject: [toytrains] What Daddy does for a living
                                                   
                                                   

                                                  I saw this train related link and thought I would share it.

                                                  WATCH: This Little Boy Is About To Realize What His Dad Does For A Living. His Reaction Is Priceless...

                                                   



                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76112 From: racin510 Date: 3/24/2015
                                                  Subject: Re: Berkshire
                                                  Catalog pics of the Y-3's were dead on. I would think these Berkshires are already running off the assembly line [with the usual lack of quality control] to be shipped in quantity for sale this year.
                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76113 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/29/2015
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                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76114 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 4/1/2015
                                                    Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
                                                    Apologies for bombing this thread - but I have not received another email since this one. Anyone else having issues? I am not a big Yahoo user (in fact this is my only link to them) and find some of their "group protocols/settings" a bit confusing. Any ideas? Many thanks!

                                                    Dick Hosmer

                                                    On Mar 24, 2015, at 7:30 PM, racin510@... [S-Trains] wrote:



                                                    Catalog pics of the Y-3's were dead on. I would think these Berkshires are already running off the assembly line [with the usual lack of quality control] to be shipped in quantity for sale this year. 


                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76115 From: V & K Neimanis Date: 4/1/2015
                                                    Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
                                                    For me, this site seems to have gone silent as well.

                                                    V. Neimanis


                                                    On 4/1/2015 11:47 AM, Richard Hosmer richardahosmer@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                     

                                                    Apologies for bombing this thread - but I have not received another email since this one. Anyone else having issues? I am not a big Yahoo user (in fact this is my only link to them) and find some of their "group protocols/settings" a bit confusing. Any ideas? Many thanks!


                                                    Dick Hosmer

                                                    On Mar 24, 2015, at 7:30 PM, racin510@... [S-Trains] wrote:



                                                    Catalog pics of the Y-3's were dead on. I would think these Berkshires are already running off the assembly line [with the usual lack of quality control] to be shipped in quantity for sale this year. 






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                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76116 From: Paul Krause Date: 4/1/2015
                                                    Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
                                                    Here is a pic of the Berkshire from this past Edison NJ train show 3/28. Not as much detail by any stretch like the Mikado or Mallet or Challengers.  Did. It see it run.  It was smaller than I thought it should be.  But it is a Berk.  The tender was ok.  

                                                    Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android


                                                    From:"V & K Neimanis neimanis@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    Date:Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM
                                                    Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire

                                                     

                                                    For me, this site seems to have gone silent as well.

                                                    V. Neimanis


                                                    On 4/1/2015 11:47 AM, Richard Hosmer richardahosmer@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                     

                                                    Apologies for bombing this thread - but I have not received another email since this one. Anyone else having issues? I am not a big Yahoo user (in fact this is my only link to them) and find some of their "group protocols/settings" a bit confusing. Any ideas? Many thanks!


                                                    Dick Hosmer

                                                    On Mar 24, 2015, at 7:30 PM, racin510@... [S-Trains] wrote:



                                                    Catalog pics of the Y-3's were dead on. I would think these Berkshires are already running off the assembly line [with the usual lack of quality control] to be shipped in quantity for sale this year. 






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                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76117 From: alhbaker Date: 4/1/2015
                                                    Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire

                                                    Paul,

                                                    Regarding the Berkshire, would you say the level of detail was similar to that seen on original Giblert AF ?

                                                    Al Baker

                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76118 From: racin510 Date: 4/1/2015
                                                    Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
                                                    The Berk looks good, may need number boards added?
                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76119 From: pickycat95 Date: 4/1/2015
                                                    Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire

                                                    The sample in the picture seems to be in the spirit of Gilbert and American Models.  Seems to be a regression from L's previous offerings to a more durable 'toy' in the spirit of Gilbert, but with additional fine molded in detail similar to AM's northern.  Biggest disappointment is what appears to be a molded on boiler handrail rather than separately applied parts. 

                                                    Ben Trousdale

                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76120 From: srgriggs Date: 4/1/2015
                                                    Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
                                                    I saw the Lionel booth when the WGH show was in Louisville about a month ago. The Polar Express locomotive lacks number boards but all of the prototype road engines have them. The level of cast-in detail is comparable to a Gilbert Hudson or Northern, which is to say quite good (the casting quality is significantly better). The Berk does not have wire handrails, but keep in mind it is a $300 engine. The locomotive and tender measured 19.5", which considering the gap between the two was just about dead-on correct for an NKP S2. Lionel has cataloged five road names: NKP (765), C&O, Pere Marquette (1225), Southern (ex-C&O 2716 in excursion service), and Erie. There are some appearance differences between the prototypes that are not captured in these versions. For example, the prototype C&O engines had the sand some forward of the steam dome and a low-mounted headlight, while the Flyonel version follows the NKP very closely with steam dome in front and the headlight in the center of the smokebox.

                                                    I've been saying Lionel should do a Van Sweringen Berkshire for years because it was the closest thing to a standard superpower steam design as there was.

                                                    I'm very excited about this engine. I plan to order the NKP 765 and the Southern 2716.

                                                    Scott Griggs
                                                    Louisville, KY
                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76121 From: trndad Date: 4/1/2015
                                                    Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire

                                                    Just adding my two cents to the Berkshire discussion.  No, it certainly is not as detailed as a Flyonel Challenger.  But consider what you do get for the money. 

                                                    It can operate conventionally with an AC transformer or on AC or DC with the included FlyerChief remote control.  It has speed control, a rear electro-coupler, synchronized fan driven smoke, an LED headlight, on/off switches for sound and smoke, Railsounds with steam chuff, background sounds, whistle, bell and announcements, a flickering firebox in the cab, detailed cab backhead, and traction tires.

                                                    It seems to me this engine is geared toward a younger audience, what with its separate more simple remote and less delicate detailing, but feature rich enough to appeal to us more mature operators.  It's a handsome looking engine, at least in the pictures.  Hopefully the quality control will be there and it will perform as advertised.  I ordered the Southern engine through our club for under $300.  At that price I can overlook the molded on handrails and other minuses. 

                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76122 From: richs009 Date: 4/2/2015
                                                    Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
                                                    Does anyone know what's "under the hood" in terms of the mechanical parts?  It sounds like it has a lot of the electronic bells and whistles (pun intended), but what about the motor, etc.?  I assume it has a can motor with a worm gear drive.  Presumably the wheels run on bushings?  What about the smoke generator?  I have the Flyonel Mike, which is a nice engine, lots of detail, good runner, etc., but the Seuthe smoke unit leaves a lot to be desired.
                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76123 From: trndad Date: 4/2/2015
                                                    Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire

                                                    The catalog describes it as having a “powerful maintenance-free motor”. I've not seen anything but can motors in Flyonel steamers, so I bet that is what this will have.  The catalog also describes it as having "Synchronized fan-driven smoke".  That is the same description used for the N&W Y-3 2-8-8-2 that I have.  It has a 16 OHM wire wound smoke element that gets its fluid from a square of smoke wick material. I would think they used that same unit.


                                                    Dean


                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76124 From: racin510 Date: 4/3/2015
                                                    Subject: Hudson Eccentric Crank

                                                    I need a pair of these for a 1951 322 that I am restoring for a friend. 

                                                    Any help appreciated, Portlines doesn't show.


                                                    Thank you,


                                                    Rick

                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76125 From: racin510 Date: 4/3/2015
                                                    Subject: Re: Mail problems, was: Re: Berkshire
                                                    The Berkshire is not $1000. It is supposed to be entry level stuff.  I hope it succeeds in S scale.
                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76126 From: harjon4563 Date: 4/3/2015
                                                    Subject: Making it S
                                                    Just finished building the Walthers HO double track truss bridge. Now it's a S highway truss bridge. I'd love to see other non S scale projects turned in to S. Any one done any projects the you like to share?
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                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76127 From: snstrains Date: 4/3/2015
                                                    Subject: Re: Making it S [2 Attachments]
                                                    I did similar by cutting down the Lionel "Union Pacific" "O" trestle to "S" size.
                                                     
                                                    Steve, Boise
                                                     
                                                    In a message dated 4/3/2015 6:18:51 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                     

                                                    Just finished building the Walthers HO double track truss bridge. Now it's a S highway truss bridge. I'd love to see other non S scale projects turned in to S. Any one done any projects the you like to share?

                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76128 From: Paul Krause Date: 4/3/2015
                                                    Subject: Re: Making it S [2 Attachments]
                                                    Great job!  The bridge looks awesome!

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                                                    From:"harjon4563@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    Date:Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:18 PM
                                                    Subject:[S-Trains] Making it S [2 Attachments]

                                                     

                                                    Just finished building the Walthers HO double track truss bridge. Now it's a S highway truss bridge. I'd love to see other non S scale projects turned in to S. Any one done any projects the you like to share?

                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76129 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/4/2015
                                                    Subject: Re: Hudson Eccentric Crank

                                                    We have them…..hundreds !

                                                    Listed under LINKAGE.

                                                     

                                                    <<< I need a pair of these for a 1951 322 that I am restoring for a friend.
                                                    Any help appreciated, Portlines doesn't show.

                                                    >>>

                                                     

                                                    Doug Peck
                                                    Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                                    6 Storeybrooke Drive
                                                    Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                                    doug@...
                                                    www.portlines.com
                                                    Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only.
                                                    978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
                                                    1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
                                                    VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

                                                     

                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76130 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/4/2015
                                                    Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 05 April 2015
                                                    Attachments :
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                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76131 From: poniaj Date: 4/4/2015
                                                      Subject: Re: Making it S
                                                      Nice job on the conversion!  I've often found out that HO train things are well suitable for S car things.  I've used HO double track portals for two lane S car portals. 

                                                      Jerry
                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76132 From: rick gough Date: 4/4/2015
                                                      Subject: Re: Hudson Eccentric Crank
                                                      Thanks Doug
                                                       
                                                      rick gough
                                                      mudshark datsun
                                                      510 racing



                                                      On Saturday, April 4, 2015 10:35 AM, "'Doug Peck' doug@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



                                                       
                                                      We have them…..hundreds !
                                                      Listed under LINKAGE.
                                                       
                                                      <<< I need a pair of these for a 1951 322 that I am restoring for a friend.
                                                      Any help appreciated, Portlines doesn't show.

                                                      >>>
                                                       
                                                      Doug Peck
                                                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                                                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                                      doug@...
                                                      www.portlines.com
                                                      Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only.
                                                      978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
                                                      1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
                                                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
                                                       


                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76133 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/5/2015
                                                      Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 05 April 2015
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                                                        SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76134 From: traindavid Date: 4/8/2015
                                                        Subject: SHS sound board value?
                                                        HI all,
                                                        I have a chance to pick up an SHS F-3 locomatic sound board (I have a friend
                                                        with a fried one), but want to make a fair offer. Any ideas out there--BTW,
                                                        this is an untested board from a used loco (new owner didn't need it)?
                                                        Thanks!
                                                        David D.
                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76135 From: James Lyle Date: 4/8/2015
                                                        Subject: Re: SHS sound board value?
                                                        David
                                                        Might contact DALLEE & see if it can be repaired.
                                                        Dallee.com
                                                        Jim Lyle



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                                                        > On Apr 8, 2015, at 12:39 AM, djdewey@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > HI all,
                                                        > I have a chance to pick up an SHS F-3 locomatic sound board (I have a friend
                                                        > with a fried one), but want to make a fair offer. Any ideas out there--BTW,
                                                        > this is an untested board from a used loco (new owner didn't need it)?
                                                        > Thanks!
                                                        > David D.
                                                        >
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                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76136 From: tiga34@att.net Date: 4/9/2015
                                                        Subject: Re: SHS sound board value?
                                                         The last two I purchased, one about 3 years ago on E Bay, and the other about a month ago, 
                                                        were both $10. each. Both worked. They do show up on E Bay and usually get very few if any bids. At least that is what I have observed. 

                                                        Art Ferguson
                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76137 From: rpassarette Date: 4/10/2015
                                                        Subject: Lionel's Culvert Pipe Loader and American Flyer

                                                         Has anyone ever tried to use the Lionel Culvert Loader with the American Flyer Gondola? The pipes dimensions should fit width wise but the metal tray is a little wide. Has anyone tried to make this combination work together possibly by making their own tray to fit the Gondola?  Just curious as I think this would be a fun accessory on an American Flyer layout.

                                                         

                                                        --Rocco--

                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76138 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/11/2015
                                                        Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 12 April 2015
                                                        Attachments :
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                                                          SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76139 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/12/2015
                                                          Subject: Lionel's Pipe Loader and American Flyer

                                                          I don't see any reason that you couldn't "AF-ise" this accessory.  As you suggest, the car width and length, and the inside ramp are the key modifications.  A lot of stuff used to make the crossover from Lionel to S gauge or Flyer to O gauge.  


                                                          However, when I was doing O gauge three rail for a time, I bought a small collection that had both the Lionel "Culvert Loader" and the "Culvert Unloader."  Even with the correct Lionel Gondola cars, these were pretty hit or miss accessories, not reliable operating at all.  The culverts rarely fell directly down into the gondola, making for poor loading and many times even missing the car.  Picking the culverts out of the car was also hit or miss and the "traveling crane" often made many passes before it caught a culvert.


                                                          In taking them apart to clean and lubricate, I discovered that Lionel had come up with a crude but ingenious use of levers and magnets handling  thin steel "pipe" to make them operate.  The problem was that they had to be adjusted exactly right to perform and there was no adjustment screws or other such things built in.   I talked to an old Lionel Service Station repairman and he told me that they never worked very good, and that after some use, the string on the traveling crane part tended to stretch a bit and throw everything out of whack.


                                                          I fussed with them until I finally got them to work pretty well, both loading the cars and unloading them.  The novelty of watching them work eventually wore off however, and I decided to sell them while they still worked well. Because they were expensive few were made, and most got thrown away when they stopped working, they were pretty collectable at the time.  I got "too much money" for them too,. But not nearly enough for the hours it took to get them working reliably.


                                                          Stumpy in Ahia



                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76140 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/12/2015
                                                          Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 12 April 2015
                                                          Attachments :
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                                                            SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76141 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 4/12/2015
                                                            Subject: We Have Lost Another
                                                            Hello all,

                                                                 I have just recently found out that Bob Connor has passed away. Bob lived in Jacksonville, FL and was a good friend.  Bob was a avid collector of American Flyer and loved to fly.

                                                            Harwood
                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76142 From: mike rosz Date: 4/12/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
                                                            when a collector dies that means on less of the old gang. 
                                                             
                                                            are new people coming up to join our gang of collectors????


                                                            From: "HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:44 AM
                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] We Have Lost Another

                                                             
                                                            Hello all,

                                                                 I have just recently found out that Bob Connor has passed away. Bob lived in Jacksonville, FL and was a good friend.  Bob was a avid collector of American Flyer and loved to fly.

                                                            Harwood


                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76143 From: mike rosz Date: 4/12/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
                                                            not to be nasty.  BUT  will his collection be going on the auction block?
                                                             
                                                            or just be sold off or  trashed by his family who does not like "his stuff"?
                                                             
                                                            I think I have enough.  notice think not sure, but I could always use another freight car or two.


                                                            From: "HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:44 AM
                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] We Have Lost Another

                                                             
                                                            Hello all,

                                                                 I have just recently found out that Bob Connor has passed away. Bob lived in Jacksonville, FL and was a good friend.  Bob was a avid collector of American Flyer and loved to fly.

                                                            Harwood


                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76144 From: Harley J Date: 4/12/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
                                                            I think collectors of AF will become fewer and fewer as time goes by.  And the value of their collections will decrease as well. Old trains as well as old cars are most desirable  to the ones who grew up with them. My kids didn't grow up with '57 Chevys and AF trains. They are curious about them but have no meaning to them and are less likely to collect them. 


                                                            Sent on a Boost Samsung Galaxy S® III


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                                                            From: "mike rosz mikenguy9@... [S-Trains]"
                                                            Date:04/12/2015 4:22 PM (GMT-05:00)
                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Have Lost Another

                                                             

                                                            when a collector dies that means on less of the old gang. 
                                                             
                                                            are new people coming up to join our gang of collectors????


                                                            From: "HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:44 AM
                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] We Have Lost Another

                                                             
                                                            Hello all,

                                                                 I have just recently found out that Bob Connor has passed away. Bob lived in Jacksonville, FL and was a good friend.  Bob was a avid collector of American Flyer and loved to fly.

                                                            Harwood


                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76145 From: Rick Evans Date: 4/12/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
                                                            So sorry to hear.


                                                            On Apr 12, 2015, at 7:44 AM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                             

                                                            Hello all,

                                                                 I have just recently found out that Bob Connor has passed away. Bob lived in Jacksonville, FL and was a good friend.  Bob was a avid collector of American Flyer and loved to fly.

                                                            Harwood


                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76146 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/12/2015
                                                            Subject: We have lost another

                                                            Bob and I used to communicate fairly often and finally met several years ago at the Spring S Spree in Dayton, OH.  We talked old Flyer, but a lot about vintage aircraft.  I suspect he loved flying most of all.  He was one of the good guys.


                                                            Throttles forward, put it in a climb, and landing gear up Bob.


                                                            Stumpy Stone in Ahia

                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76147 From: TWesthelle@... Date: 4/12/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
                                                            A sad day for those of us who knew Bob. 
                                                            Tom Westhelle
                                                             
                                                            In a message dated 4/12/2015 3:18:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                             

                                                            Hello all,

                                                                 I have just recently found out that Bob Connor has passed away. Bob lived in Jacksonville, FL and was a good friend.  Bob was a avid collector of American Flyer and loved to fly.

                                                            Harwood

                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76148 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 4/12/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
                                                            It was sold in a four day estate sale this past four days.



                                                            -----Original Message-----
                                                            From: mike rosz mikenguy9@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            Sent: Sun, Apr 12, 2015 9:42 pm
                                                            Subject: Re: [S-Trains] We Have Lost Another

                                                             
                                                            not to be nasty.  BUT  will his collection be going on the auction block?
                                                             
                                                            or just be sold off or  trashed by his family who does not like "his stuff"?
                                                             
                                                            I think I have enough.  notice think not sure, but I could always use another freight car or two.


                                                            From: "HOwingsiii@... [S-Trai ns]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:44 AM
                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] We Have Lost Another

                                                             
                                                            Hello all,

                                                                 I have just recently found out that Bob Connor has passed away. Bob lived in Jacksonville, FL and was a good friend.  Bob was a avid collector of American Flyer and loved to fly.

                                                            Harwood


                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76149 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 4/13/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
                                                            So sorry to hear Bob passed away. Bob and I met about 15 years ago when I was on a trip to Key West and was driving through Jacksonville where he lived. I got to see his collection and run trains with him.
                                                             For those who did not know Bob, he was a self taught architect and loved old airplanes.
                                                            Over the years he would travel up to Dayton to visit with me and we made a couple of trips to the Air Force Museum together. 
                                                             I remember when he was on his way home from York one year and his wife had passed on the trip home. It devastated Bob for many years after, but he finally did rebound somewhat to become his old self again. 
                                                             The last I talked to Bob was about 4 months ago for just a short time. I will miss him as he had some great stories. Chris Burger
                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76150 From: acgilbertguy Date: 4/13/2015
                                                            Subject: AF 499 GE Electric

                                                            How do you remove the body from the running gear on this engine.  I found the one screw on the top near one of the plastic horns, but no others.  With the one screw out, the body didn't want to move at all. 


                                                            Rich

                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76151 From: lou342ac Date: 4/13/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
                                                            Sad news indeed. Bob will be missed. My condolences to his family.
                                                            Lou Baldi
                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76152 From: traindavid Date: 4/13/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: Lost another one, Bob Conner's estate sale
                                                            Found out Bob's collections were sold at an "Estate Sale"--not even an
                                                            auction! Here's the pictures--what an amazing amount of stuff:
                                                            http://www.estatesales.net/estate-sales/FL/Jacksonville/32223/836199
                                                            Can't imagine they'd get anywhere near current market by doing a local
                                                            estate sale, and it appears they taped the prices onto the original boxes--I
                                                            may be an operator, but even I know you don't tape stuff to original boxes!!
                                                            Sad to lose another of our noted members, but think I'd & We'd better get
                                                            used to it. One friend tells me the disposition of his collection is up to
                                                            his executor--meantime, he just enjoys his "stuff"!
                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76153 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/14/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: We Have Lost Another
                                                            I think one thing needs to be said of Bob Connor and that is that he was generous in sharing his knowledge and his collection.  Many of his paper items are on Chuck Harrington's myflyertrains.org website, including repair diagrams and Maury Romer's train compositions.  I know that I have benefited greatly from that generosity in increasing my knowledge of American Flyer Trains.

                                                            Dale Smith

                                                            On 4/12/2015 7:44 AM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                             

                                                            Hello all,

                                                                 I have just recently found out that Bob Connor has passed away. Bob lived in Jacksonville, FL and was a good friend.  Bob was a avid collector of American Flyer and loved to fly.

                                                            Harwood


                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76154 From: rpassarette Date: 4/14/2015
                                                            Subject: Culvert Loader follow up

                                                             

                                                            Update to this story. I am almost ready to buy the Culvert loader but I thought before I do, let me call Lionel. I told them I was interested in buying the Culvert Loader but I wanted to verify if it would work with a American Flyer Gondola. After being placed on hold for a few minutes they came back and said it would not work. I asked why as I had measured the pipes and could make the tray. They responded "That is not the problem. The Culvert loader infra-red will not detect the American Flyer Gondola because of it's smaller size". I told the Lionel rep that tI was surprised as I did not even know an infra-red was part of this design. I asked if it could be adjusted and the rep said no. I ended the call by saying that Lionel should look into an adjustment to the Accessory so they could sell it to both O and S gauge customers. I then ended the call.

                                                            I am glad that I did not spend $225 dollars to find this out but I still wonder what the role of the infra-red is and why it could not be adjusted to work with an American Flyer Gondola.

                                                            --Rocco--

                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76155 From: rpassarette Date: 4/14/2015
                                                            Subject: Lionel's Pipe Loader and American Flyer

                                                            Stumpy,

                                                             

                                                            Thanks for sharing that.  With Flyer I may even have a smaller margin of error.

                                                             

                                                            I have to give this more thought.

                                                             

                                                            --Rocco--

                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76156 From: bobgarm Date: 4/14/2015
                                                            Subject: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
                                                            One of my two hi-rail SHS SW-9's when running in Locomatic mode and moving in the forward direction stalls in my layout's tighter corners  It looses power completely.  If you slide it to where the radius is less, it re-powers.

                                                            The problem does not occur going in the reverse direction through the same corners. It's identical twin SW-9, an NW-20, and a non-Locomatic SW-9 all run fine on the same layout and pass the corners.

                                                            This issue came on suddenly after I had been running the engine repeatedly for short trips times as I did some layout wiring repairs.   I do recall having to manually stop in on the track a day before as it was about to crash into clip leads.   The trackage is vintage Gargreaves.

                                                            Do I have pilot clearance problems, is there a problem with the truck vertical alignment or is there an alignment issue with the pickup wires?  I see some wear marks on the bottom of the pilot.  Or is it something else?

                                                            Bob



                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76157 From: Robert Lampe Date: 4/14/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
                                                            I'd check very closely. You may have a clearance problem running forward in that section of track. You may have to run it through there several times or more before you locate the problem. It might even be a good odea to have more than one pair of eyes watching because one set of eyes might spot something the others miss.
                                                                                                                                        Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                        Kalispell, MT


                                                            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:22:35 -0700
                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] SHS SW9 Stalling Problem

                                                             
                                                            One of my two hi-rail SHS SW-9's when running in Locomatic mode and moving in the forward direction stalls in my layout's tighter corners  It looses power completely.  If you slide it to where the radius is less, it re-powers.

                                                            The problem does not occur going in the reverse direction through the same corners. It's identical twin SW-9, an NW-20, and a non-Locomatic SW-9 all run fine on the same layout and pass the corners.

                                                            This issue came on suddenly after I had been running the engine repeatedly for short trips times as I did some layout wiring repairs.   I do recall having to manually stop in on the track a day before as it was about to crash into clip leads.   The trackage is vintage Gargreaves.

                                                            Do I have pilot clearance problems, is there a problem with the truck vertical alignment or is there an alignment issue with the pickup wires?  I see some wear marks on the bottom of the pilot.  Or is it something else?

                                                            Bob






                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76158 From: snstrains Date: 4/14/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
                                                            Sounds like a "short" shutdown.
                                                             
                                                            Steve Blackburn
                                                            Boise, Idaho
                                                             
                                                            In a message dated 4/14/2015 12:40:36 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                             

                                                            One of my two hi-rail SHS SW-9's when running in Locomatic mode and moving in the forward direction stalls in my layout's tighter corners  It looses power completely.  If you slide it to where the radius is less, it re-powers.

                                                            The problem does not occur going in the reverse direction through the same corners. It's identical twin SW-9, an NW-20, and a non-Locomatic SW-9 all run fine on the same layout and pass the corners.

                                                            This issue came on suddenly after I had been running the engine repeatedly for short trips times as I did some layout wiring repairs.   I do recall having to manually stop in on the track a day before as it was about to crash into clip leads.   The trackage is vintage Gargreaves.

                                                            Do I have pilot clearance problems, is there a problem with the truck vertical alignment or is there an alignment issue with the pickup wires?  I see some wear marks on the bottom of the pilot.  Or is it something else?

                                                            Bob



                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76159 From: Bill Clark Date: 4/14/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
                                                            For me, stalling issues on the SHS SW9 is almost always the pickups not contacting each wheel. Check that the pickups contact each wheel, and continue to contact when you slide the axle back and forth. The pickups can lose their springiness if shorts have caused high current draw. They come with extra pickup wipers, so if they are defective you can change them.

                                                            Bill



                                                            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:22:35 -0700
                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] SHS SW9 Stalling Problem

                                                             
                                                            One of my two hi-rail SHS SW-9's when running in Locomatic mode and moving in the forward direction stalls in my layout's tighter corners  It looses power completely.  If you slide it to where the radius is less, it re-powers.

                                                            The problem does not occur going in the reverse direction through the same corners. It's identical twin SW-9, an NW-20, and a non-Locomatic SW-9 all run fine on the same layout and pass the corners.

                                                            This issue came on suddenly after I had been running the engine repeatedly for short trips times as I did some layout wiring repairs.   I do recall having to manually stop in on the track a day before as it was about to crash into clip leads.   The trackage is vintage Gargreaves.

                                                            Do I have pilot clearance problems, is there a problem with the truck vertical alignment or is there an alignment issue with the pickup wires?  I see some wear marks on the bottom of the pilot.  Or is it something else?

                                                            Bob







                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76160 From: James Lyle Date: 4/14/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: Culvert Loader follow up
                                                            Probably has nothing to do with reality.  Lionel folks Probably have not seen the loader yet.  Guessing of course.

                                                            Sent from my iPhone

                                                            On Apr 14, 2015, at 1:12 PM, passare@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                             

                                                            Update to this story. I am almost ready to buy the Culvert loader but I thought before I do, let me call Lionel. I told them I was interested in buying the Culvert Loader but I wanted to verify if it would work with a American Flyer Gondola. After being placed on hold for a few minutes they came back and said it would not work. I asked why as I had measured the pipes and could make the tray. They responded "That is not the problem. The Culvert loader infra-red will not detect the American Flyer Gondola because of it's smaller size". I told the Lionel rep that tI was surprised as I did not even know an infra-red was part of this design. I asked if it could be adjusted and the rep said no. I ended the call by saying that Lionel should look into an adjustment to the Accessory so they could sell it to both O and S gauge customers. I then ended the call.

                                                            I am glad that I did not spend $225 dollars to find this out but I still w onder what the role of the infra-red is and why it could not be adjusted to work with an American Flyer Gondola.

                                                            --Rocco--

                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76161 From: racin510 Date: 4/14/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: Culvert Loader follow up
                                                            I considered working the Culvert Loader into my layout, decided it was just too big. Had I known what Mr. Stumpy already knew I would have killed that idea in a hurry. There are few Lionel accessories that interest me. I did go for the conveyor crate loading platform, which fits in nicely next to the Harbor Freight station. It works OK if a  little herky jerky. I do love their mid 1940's just post war fully operational magnetic cranes and have two over in the Great Northern Salvage yard ... this a great accessory.
                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76162 From: mikenguy9 Date: 4/14/2015
                                                            Subject: 1946 coal dump car

                                                            I have the track also.  no unloader button.   the track has 2 screws for wires. 

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            not sure what to do.

                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76163 From: barb Date: 4/14/2015
                                                            Subject: We have lost another
                                                            I am so very sad to hear of Bob Conner's passing. Does anyone know what the cause was?


                                                            Bob and I became friends when I represented this group at his wife's funeral service and I was still living in Florida. He loved his trains and indeed loved to fly. We hadn't spoken in a few months. In fact I didn't see him at the October York.


                                                            So very sad and I will miss him. ... Barb
                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76164 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 4/15/2015
                                                            Subject: S Spree in Dayton Ohio this May.

                                                            Hi All,

                                                             As yahoo S-Trains is not on my mind a lot since I spend more time on FB S groups, I am not sure if anyone has mentioned the Spree this year. I was asked by the club if I could make a post on the group here. If anyone is interested the website is Miami Valley S Gaugers

                                                            I hope some of you can make it on such a late notice. Thanks, Chris Burger. 

                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76165 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/15/2015
                                                            Subject: Culvert Loader follow up

                                                            The old Lionel Culvert Loader and Unloader did not have any "infra rad" anything inside them since they were 1950's toys.  I have no idea how they might have updated the design for 2015 (or whenever it actually appears.)  


                                                            Yes, both of these accessories took up a lot of layout space, but in O gauge three rail it was probably less noticeable than it would be with S.  Of course, none of those fun old accessories would actually be correct scale for either O or S, and some were scaled out to fit the old Lionel Standard Gauge more than the smaller scales!  The long in production  Lionel "Operating Gateman" is one that would work well for G scale, and I have in fact seen it used that way on an LGB based layout..


                                                            However, if fun is your focus, who cares?  :-)


                                                            Stumpy Stone in Ahia



                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76166 From: lou342ac Date: 4/15/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
                                                            Check and increase the tension on your wire wiper electrical pick ups. Make sure where the wiper contacts the wheels are clean. I have had problems in the past where these wipers lose tension and cause erratic operation of the engine.
                                                            Lou Baldi
                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76167 From: bruno823 Date: 4/15/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: Lost another one, Bob Conner's estate sale
                                                            I never met Bob Conner, but I wish I had.  Wow, an estate sale that may never be matched ever again.  There is a saying that, "he who dies with the most toys WINS".  I would say that Bob Conner has just won the Masters in that event.  Rest in peace my fellow Flyer collector/operator friend that I never met in this life.
                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76168 From: Mike Leahy Date: 4/15/2015
                                                            Subject: We have lost another

                                                            I had corresponded with Bob Conners over the years, and about 10 to 12 years ago he called and said he wanted to come over to our home in Boulder, CO.  We had a great visit and naturally it centered around American Flyer trains.  Bob will be missed.

                                                             

                                                            Mike Leahy

                                                            Boulder, CO

                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76169 From: traindavid Date: 4/15/2015
                                                            Subject: 1946 coal dump car
                                                            Don't think I've found all the posts on this topic, but sounds like a few of
                                                            you are wondering how to make the early dump car function. The early car has
                                                            a fiber plate on one truck with two brass contact strips on it. There is a
                                                            special track section with two rails inside the track rails. The accessory
                                                            car picks up operating power from those rails through the plate on the
                                                            truck. There are two connections on the track piece, one goes to the Base
                                                            Post, the other goes to a button (early buttons are not labeled for their
                                                            accessory, they're just "control button" kind of a square Bakelite body,
                                                            metal push button, but any AF push button, or even a doorbell button will
                                                            work). From the button, a wire to the 15V post is all that's needed. Now
                                                            when the car is on the track piece, pushing the button should activate the
                                                            car.
                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76170 From: beebear Date: 4/15/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: S Spree in Dayton Ohio this May.

                                                            I wish there were more dealers bringing DCC stuff!! I need some extra NCE controllers for my layout along with sound and control boards!!

                                                             

                                                            John

                                                             

                                                            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                            Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 12:45 AM
                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] S Spree in Dayton Ohio this May.

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            Hi All,

                                                             As yahoo S-Trains is not on my mind a lot since I spend more time on FB S groups, I am not sure if anyone has mentioned the Spree this year. I was asked by the club if I could make a post on the group here. If anyone is interested the website is Miami Valley S Gaugers

                                                            image

                                                            Miami Valley S Gaugers

                                                            Show times: May 8, 10:00 - 9:00; May 9, 9:00 - 3:00. Setup: Thursday May 7, 4:00 - 9:00. Teardown: Saturday May 9.

                                                            Preview by Yahoo

                                                            I hope some of you can make it on such a late notice. Thanks, Chris Burger. 




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                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76171 From: mike rosz Date: 4/15/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: We have lost another
                                                            what is that 2 now in a week?
                                                             


                                                            From: "'Mike Leahy' gmichael.leahy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 10:48 AM
                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] We have lost another

                                                             
                                                            I had corresponded with Bob Conners over the years, and about 10 to 12 years ago he called and said he wanted to come over to our home in Boulder, CO.  We had a great visit and naturally it centered around American Flyer trains.  Bob will be missed.
                                                             
                                                            Mike Leahy
                                                            Boulder, CO


                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76172 From: mike rosz Date: 4/15/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: 1946 coal dump car
                                                            thanks
                                                             


                                                            From: "djdewey@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 12:40 PM
                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] 1946 coal dump car

                                                             
                                                            Don't think I've found all the posts on this topic, but sounds like a few of
                                                            you are wondering how to make the early dump car function. The early car has
                                                            a fiber plate on one truck with two brass contact strips on it. There is a
                                                            special track section with two rails inside the track rails. The accessory
                                                            car picks up operating power from those rails through the plate on the
                                                            truck. There are two connections on the track piece, one goes to the Base
                                                            Post, the other goes to a button (early buttons are not labeled for their
                                                            accessory, they're just "control button" kind of a square Bakelite body,
                                                            metal push button, but any AF push button, or even a doorbell button will
                                                            work). From the button, a wire to the 15V post is all that's needed. Now
                                                            when the car is on the track piece, pushing the button should activate the
                                                            car.



                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76173 From: daleminard Date: 4/15/2015
                                                            Subject: Old Decals

                                                            I've been building some old models and am having problems with the decals.  The fall apart after soaking them in water.  I was told by someone, sometime, somewhere to spray them with a clear laquer...that doesn't seem to work.


                                                            Anyone got any suggestions?


                                                            Dale Minard

                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76174 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/15/2015
                                                            Subject: S Spree in Dayton, OH.

                                                            I was wondering when the Spree would get some promotion here on the S Trains Yahoo Group.  Since Cindy and  I can't travel as much as we used too, this is a neat event that we don't miss.  I'll be there with a different S gauge layout this year (I got tired of the rather plain one.) 


                                                            This one has somewhat of a "logging" theme and my own resin cast structures.  I think you'll be amazed at what can be done in S with a little creativity in a space of only 33 by 52 inches!


                                                            Stumpy in Ahia

                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76175 From: alanstrains Date: 4/15/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: S Spree in Dayton Ohio this May.

                                                            Hello John,

                                                                           I’ll have the DCC switching layout at the Spree.  I am an NCE dealer and offer 15% off.  What cabs/boards do you need? 

                                                             

                                                                           Let me know.

                                                             

                                                            -        Alan Evans

                                                            -        Central Ohio S Gaugers

                                                             

                                                            I know there will be several DCC engines for sale at the Spree.

                                                             

                                                            From: 'beebear' beebear@... [S-Trains] [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                            Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 3:08 PM
                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Subject: RE: [S-Trains] S Spree in Dayton Ohio this May.

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            I wish there were more dealers bringing DCC stuff!! I need some extra NCE controllers for my layout along with sound and control boards!!

                                                             

                                                            John

                                                             

                                                            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                            Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 12:45 AM
                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] S Spree in Dayton Ohio this May.

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            Hi All,

                                                             As yahoo S-Trains is not on my mind a lot since I spend more time on FB S groups, I am not sure if anyone has mentioned the Spree this year. I was asked by the club if I could make a post on the group here. If anyone is interested the website is Miami Valley S Gaugers

                                                            image

                                                            Miami Valley S Gaugers

                                                            Show times: May 8, 10:00 - 9:00; May 9, 9:00 - 3:00. Setup: Thursday May 7, 4:00 - 9:00. Teardown: Saturday May 9.

                                                            Preview by Yahoo

                                                            I hope some of you can make it on such a late notice. Thanks, Chris Burger. 

                                                             


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                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76176 From: alan Date: 4/15/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: Old Decals
                                                              From my experience ----  Use Krylon "clear"  and put on two light coats --- let them dry.     If they can be saved this should do it.

                                                            Alan Smith   

                                                            On Apr 15, 2015, at 6:01 PM, daleminard@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                             


                                                            I've been building some old models and am having problems with the decals.  The fall apart after soaking them in water.  I was told by someone, sometime, somewhere to spray them with a clear laquer...that doesn't seem to work.


                                                            Anyone got any suggestions?


                                                            Dale Minard



                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76177 From: snstrains Date: 4/15/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: S Spree in Dayton Ohio this May.
                                                            I have some controllers but Dayton is too dang far for me.
                                                             
                                                            Steve Blackburn
                                                            SnS Trains
                                                            Boise, Idaho
                                                             
                                                            In a message dated 4/15/2015 1:23:31 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

                                                            I wish there were more dealers bringing DCC stuff!! I need some extra NCE controllers for my layout along with sound and control boards!!

                                                            John

                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76178 From: alan Date: 4/15/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: S Spree in Dayton, OH.
                                                             Stumpy

                                                            We will be looking forward to your creations.

                                                            MVSG'er Hamilton Alan
                                                            On Apr 15, 2015, at 5:46 PM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                             

                                                            I was wondering when the Spree would get some promotion here on the S Trains Yahoo Group.  Since Cindy and  I can't travel as much as we used too, this is a neat event that we don't miss.  I'll be there with a different S gauge layout this year (I got tired of the rather plain one.) 


                                                            This one has somewhat of a "logging" theme and my own resin cast structures.  I think you'll be amazed at what can be done in S with a little creativity in a space of only 33 by 52 inches!


                                                            Stumpy in Ahia



                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76179 From: Warner, Ronald Date: 4/15/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: Old Decals

                                                            I've found the best product is "Liquid Decal Film" from Microscale Industries, Inc. [check their website]

                                                             

                                                            I go thru 'phases' in my S life, and for the past few yrs. one of those phases has been creating stock cars, reefers, and tankers that A.C. should have created.  ... many of the decals (Hormel, Armour, Texaco, Anchor, etc.) I've purchased on eBay are oldies which will break when handled if not first coated with "Liquid Decal Film" 

                                                             

                                                            that product works better than anything else I've tried; one thin coat on old decal paper, dries quickly, can be soaked in water in just a few (I'd allow 15 min.) after drying ... in fact, I feel the decal edges are less obvious, before dull-coating, than with untreated or 'new' decals  

                                                             

                                                            Ron Warner

                                                            Shallowater, TX

                                                            along the Slaton (to Clovis) Subdivision of the BNSF [once mighty AT&SF]

                                                             


                                                            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                            Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 5:01 PM
                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] Old Decals

                                                             

                                                            I've been building some old models and am having problems with the decals.  The fall apart after soaking them in water.  I was told by someone, sometime, somewhere to spray them with a clear laquer...that doesn't seem to work.


                                                            Anyone got any suggestions?


                                                            Dale Minard

                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76180 From: afjeff_56 Date: 4/16/2015
                                                            Subject: We have lost another

                                                            I can remember seeing you and Bob talking on the S Group years ago Barb... Sorry to hear this! were all moving on... Bless him !  He's running that big layout up there...

                                                             

                                                            Have a Good One!!!  Glad to see your still here...    afjeff  (jeff silvera)  Sacramento, Ca.

                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76181 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 4/17/2015
                                                            Subject: "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                            Being relatively new to "S", and trying to get accurate info onto the
                                                            NASG web site, I just stumbled upon a notice in the June 1977 issue of
                                                            Railroad Model Craftsman (yes, I am going back and reading my old
                                                            magazines) that announced the formation of "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                            based in North Haven, CT. The announcement says that they are building a
                                                            15,000 sqft building to re-start the construction of A.C. Gilbert A.F.
                                                            products. I had not heard about this company until I read the notice. A
                                                            quick search on the Web only yielded this:


                                                            http://www.bizapedia.com/ct/CONTINENTAL-FLYER-INC.html


                                                            which matches the street address. Did this company ever actually produce
                                                            any true A.F. products?


                                                            Thank you for any info,
                                                            - Peter.
                                                            (NASG webmaster)




                                                            --
                                                            Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
                                                            Houston, Texas


                                                            My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
                                                            My business site: http://fourthray.com/
                                                            Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/
                                                            NASG site: http://nasg.org/
                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76182 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 4/17/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                             
                                                            They did break ground for a new plant back in ‘77, but the company went belly up before they started.  Apparently, they were having problems with Lionel at the time, probably due to the fact that Lionel was in the early stages of producing their own line of Flyer S gauge, using some of the original dies and were not about to lease any of the dies to a competing company.  I remember that Shorty Shea (real estate mogul), Spike Fitzpatrick (from the latter stages of the A.C. Gilbert Co.) and another man by the name of “Harry”, I believe, who had a large original Flyer parts store (whose last name escapes me right now) were the principles in trying to get Continental Flyer off the ground at the time.  They were going to re-introduce the Franklin set, of all things, as their first release.  All three gentlemen (I believe) are now deceased.  Hope this helps.
                                                             
                                                            Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.
                                                             
                                                             
                                                            Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 11:08 AM
                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                             
                                                             

                                                            Being relatively new to "S", and trying to get accurate info onto the
                                                            NASG web site, I just stumbled upon a notice in the June 1977 issue of
                                                            Railroad Model Craftsman (yes, I am going back and reading my old
                                                            magazines) that announced the formation of "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                            based in North Haven, CT. The announcement says that they are building a
                                                            15,000 sqft building to re-start the construction of A.C. Gilbert A.F.
                                                            products. I had not heard about this company until I read the notice. A
                                                            quick search on the Web only yielded this:

                                                            http://www.bizapedia.com/ct/CONTINENTAL-FLYER-INC.html

                                                            which matches the street address. Did this company ever actually produce
                                                            any true A.F. products?

                                                            Thank you for any info,
                                                            - Peter.
                                                            (NASG webmaster)

                                                            --
                                                            Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
                                                            Houston, Texas

                                                            My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
                                                            My business site: http://fourthray.com/
                                                            Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/
                                                            NASG site: http://nasg.org/

                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76183 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 4/17/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                             
                                                            To update my last email regarding the principles of the defunct Continental Flyer company, the name “Shorty Shea” is incorrect.  His last name was, in fact “Shea”, but his first name wasn’t “Shorty”.  I mixed that name up with another individual, “Shorty Shea” of Manson Family fame, a ranch hand who, allegedly, was killed in 1969 by members of the Manson family.  Sorry about that.
                                                             
                                                            Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.
                                                             
                                                            Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 3:27 PM
                                                            Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                             
                                                             

                                                             
                                                            They did break ground for a new plant back in ‘77, but the company went belly up before they started.  Apparently, they were having problems with Lionel at the time, probably due to the fact that Lionel was in the early stages of producing their own line of Flyer S gauge, using some of the original dies and were not about to lease any of the dies to a competing company.  I remember that Shorty Shea (real estate mogul), Spike Fitzpatrick (from the latter stages of the A.C. Gilbert Co.) and another man by the name of “Harry”, I believe, who had a large original Flyer parts store (whose last name escapes me right now) were the principles in trying to get Continental Flyer off the ground at the time.  They were going to re-introduce the Franklin set, of all things, as their first release.  All three gentlemen (I believe) are now deceased.  Hope this helps.
                                                             
                                                            Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.
                                                             
                                                             
                                                            Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 11:08 AM
                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                             
                                                             

                                                            Being relatively new to "S", and trying to get accurate info onto the
                                                            NASG web site, I just stumbled upon a notice in the June 1977 issue of
                                                            Railroad Model Craftsman (yes, I am going back and reading my old
                                                            magazines) that announced the formation of "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                            based in North Haven, CT. The announcement says that they are building a
                                                            15,000 sqft building to re-start the construction of A.C. Gilbert A.F.
                                                            products. I had not heard about this company until I read the notice. A
                                                            quick search on the Web only yielded this:

                                                            http://www.bizapedia.com/ct/CONTINENTAL-FLYER-INC.html

                                                            which matches the street address. Did this company ever actually produce
                                                            any true A.F. products?

                                                            Thank you for any info,
                                                            - Peter.
                                                            (NASG webmaster)

                                                            --
                                                            Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
                                                            Houston, Texas

                                                            My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
                                                            My business site: http://fourthray.com/
                                                            Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/
                                                            NASG site: http://nasg.org/

                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76184 From: americanflyer Date: 4/17/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                            Hi Bruce one of the men was named Harry Gordon he also purchased a lot of stuff from the Gilbert co along with Vinny Amato they did break ground but had problems getting loans from banks also there is a pic of the 3 of them on a cover of the one of the mag 


                                                            Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone


                                                            -------- Original message --------
                                                            From: "'Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.' goatfarm@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            Date:04/17/2015 6:46 PM (GMT-05:00)
                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "Continental Flyer, Inc."

                                                             

                                                             
                                                            To update my last email regarding the principles of the defunct Continental Flyer company, the name “Shorty Shea” is incorrect.  His last name was, in fact “Shea”, but his first name wasn’t “Shorty”.  I mixed that name up with another individual, “Shorty Shea” of Manson Family fame, a ranch hand who, allegedly, was killed in 1969 by members of the Manson family.  Sorry about that.
                                                             
                                                            Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.
                                                             
                                                            Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 3:27 PM
                                                            Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                             
                                                             

                                                             
                                                            They did break ground for a new plant back in ‘77, but the company went belly up before they started.  Apparently, they were having problems with Lionel at the time, probably due to the fact that Lionel was in the early stages of producing their own line of Flyer S gauge, using some of the original dies and were not about to lease any of the dies to a competing company.  I remember that Shorty Shea (real estate mogul), Spike Fitzpatrick (from the latter stages of the A.C. Gilbert Co.) and another man by the name of “Harry”, I believe, who had a large original Flyer parts store (whose last name escapes me right now) were the principles in trying to get Continental Flyer off the ground at the time.  They were going to re-introduce the Franklin set, of all things, as their first release.  All three gentlemen (I believe) are now deceased.  Hope this helps.
                                                             
                                                            Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.
                                                             
                                                             
                                                            Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 11:08 AM
                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                             
                                                             

                                                            Being relatively new to "S", and trying to get accurate info onto the
                                                            NASG web site, I just stumbled upon a notice in the June 1977 issue of
                                                            Railroad Model Craftsman (yes, I am going back and reading my old
                                                            magazines) that announced the formation of "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                            based in North Haven, CT. The announcement says that they are building a
                                                            15,000 sqft building to re-start the construction of A.C. Gilbert A.F.
                                                            products. I had not heard about this company until I read the notice. A
                                                            quick search on the Web only yielded this:

                                                            http://www.bizapedia.com/ct/CONTINENTAL-FLYER-INC.html

                                                            which matches the street address. Did this company ever actually produce
                                                            any true A.F. products?

                                                            Thank you for any info,
                                                            - Peter.
                                                            (NASG webmaster)

                                                            --
                                                            Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
                                                            Houston, Texas

                                                            My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
                                                            My business site: http://fourthray.com/
                                                            Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/
                                                            NASG site: http://nasg.org/

                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76185 From: Charles Hancock Date: 4/18/2015
                                                            Subject: 771 Stockyard
                                                            Greetings!
                                                            The "Easter Bunny" left the Gilbert 771 stockyard and the 736 cattle car.
                                                            In order to keep the cows in the car, I need some doors. As the car is the unpainted red version, unpainted red doors, would be my first choice. Guides and latches would be a plus. Please contact me off list if you can help with my search.
                                                            Thanks and best wishes,
                                                            Charlie in W MI
                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76186 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/18/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                            In case anyone is interested, there is mention of Continental Flyer in Hal Carstens book, "150 years of Train Models."  On page 84, there is a photo of Charlotte Gilbert Chase and representatives of the new company, Board Chairman, Donald H. Shea, President Wayne B. Gross and Spike Fitzpatrick, all three formerly of A.C. Gilbert Co.  Also on page 118, there is a photo of a Continental Flyer display at a Connecticut press conference.  It shows former TCA president Bob Davenport at the train table and notes that all the equipment was original flyer and that the company never got into production.

                                                            Dale Smith

                                                            On 4/17/2015 5:13 PM, americanflyer americanflyer@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                             
                                                            Hi Bruce one of the men was named Harry Gordon he also purchased a lot of stuff from the Gilbert co along with Vinny Amato they did break ground but had problems getting loans from banks also there is a pic of the 3 of them on a cover of the one of the mag 


                                                            Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone


                                                            -------- Original message --------
                                                            From: "'Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.' goatfarm@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            Date:04/17/2015 6:46 PM (GMT-05:00)
                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "Continental Flyer, Inc."

                                                             

                                                             
                                                            To update my last email regarding the principles of the defunct Continental Flyer company, the name “Shorty Shea” is incorrect.  His last name was, in fact “Shea”, but his first name wasn’t “Shorty”.  I mixed that name up with another individual, “Shorty Shea” of Manson Family fame, a ranch hand who, allegedly, was killed in 1969 by members of the Manson family.  Sorry about that.
                                                             
                                                            Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.
                                                             
                                                            Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 3:27 PM
                                                            Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                             
                                                             

                                                             
                                                            They did break ground for a new plant back in ‘77, but the company went belly up before they started.  Apparently, they were having problems with Lionel at the time, probably due to the fact that Lionel was in the early stages of producing their own line of Flyer S gauge, using some of the original dies and were not about to lease any of the dies to a competing company.  I remember that Shorty Shea (real estate mogul), Spike Fitzpatrick (from the latter stages of the A.C. Gilbert Co.) and another man by the name of “Harry”, I believe, who had a large original Flyer parts store (whose last name escapes me right now) were the principles in trying to get Continental Flyer off the ground at the time.  They were going to re-introduce the Franklin set, of all things, as their first release.  All three gentlemen (I believe) are now deceased.  Hope this helps.
                                                             
                                                            Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.
                                                             
                                                             
                                                            Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 11:08 AM
                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                             
                                                             

                                                            Being relatively new to "S", and trying to get accurate info onto the
                                                            NASG web site, I just stumbled upon a notice in the June 1977 issue of
                                                            Railroad Model Craftsman (yes, I am going back and reading my old
                                                            magazines) that announced the formation of "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                            based in North Haven, CT. The announcement says that they are building a
                                                            15,000 sqft building to re-start the construction of A.C. Gilbert A.F.
                                                            products. I had not heard about this company until I read the notice. A
                                                            quick search on the Web only yielded this:

                                                            http://www.bizapedia.com/ct/CONTINENTAL-FLYER-INC.html

                                                            which matches the street address. Did this company ever actually produce
                                                            any true A.F. products?

                                                            Thank you for any info,
                                                            - Peter.
                                                            (NASG webmaster)

                                                            --
                                                            Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
                                                            Houston, Texas

                                                            My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
                                                            My business site: http://fourthray.com/
                                                            Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/
                                                            NASG site: http://nasg.org/


                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76187 From: lou342ac Date: 4/18/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: "Continental Flyer, Inc."
                                                            The 2012 March/April issue of S Gaugian Magazine has a cover photograph of Wayne Gross, Donald Shea, and Harry Gordon, the three partners in Continental Flyer, they are holding a Franklin Passenger Set and a Barrel Unloader. The caption says 'The Most Popular Cover in Five decades of Issues'. On page 4 of this issue, 'S Briefs', is a picture of the ground breaking ceremonies for Continental Flyer Manufacturing Plant in June 1977.
                                                            Originally this cover photograph was used on the 1976 May/June issue of S Guagian which is out of print. I do not have a copy of this issue.
                                                            Lou Baldi
                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76188 From: traindavid Date: 4/18/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: "Continental Flyer, Inc.
                                                            My memory of this (my Heralds, etc. are to buried in storage to check them
                                                            out) was that, yes, they were going to produce the Frontiersman sets (I too,
                                                            thought this a poor choice). I believe this was way before L had considered
                                                            making AF themselves; although they had done some shell production runs for
                                                            others using the existing dies. While this venture failed (one product they
                                                            supposedly produced was smoke fluid, anyone have any?), it could be the
                                                            interest in the old ACG tooling made L aware of the possibility of getting a
                                                            return on their investment in the tooling other than just preventing anyone
                                                            else from producing a competing product (I believe that was their original
                                                            intent when they bought all the old tooling). By the time L did this, SHS
                                                            and AM were producing S product with their own tooling, proving a
                                                            marketplace existence.
                                                            Of course most of the preceding is just my own opinion and others may have a
                                                            completely different concept of what was going on "behind the scenes" back
                                                            then! :)
                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76189 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 4/18/2015
                                                            Subject: Re: "Continental Flyer, Inc.
                                                            A brief history of the Continental Flyer endeavor is in The Collector, Volume 20, #4 winter 1997. Feb 1976 was when the company was reported with an article in the New Haven Register. The Frontiersman was to be issued as a Bicentennial train and the oil drum loader was to be back into production. July 4, 1976 was the target date for production to begin.In 1977 Continental was talking with Lionel about producing the 21085, the Bicentennial Frontiersman, an Atlantic and an Alco A in 2 road names. Production was planned for 1977. And that was that. Fundimensions  decided to revive Flyer onder its banner starting in 1979. - John Marganski


                                                            From: "djdewey@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:24 PM
                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] Re: "Continental Flyer, Inc.

                                                             
                                                            My memory of this (my Heralds, etc. are to buried in storage to check them
                                                            out) was that, yes, they were going to produce the Frontiersman sets (I too,
                                                            thought this a poor choice). I believe this was way before L had considered
                                                            making AF themselves; although they had done some shell production runs for
                                                            others using the existing dies. While this venture failed (one product they
                                                            supposedly produced was smoke fluid, anyone have any?), it could be the
                                                            interest in the old ACG tooling made L aware of the possibility of getting a
                                                            return on their investment in the tooling other than just preventing anyone
                                                            else from producing a competing product (I believe that was their original
                                                            intent when they bought all the old tooling). By the time L did this, SHS
                                                            and AM were producing S product with their own tooling, proving a
                                                            marketplace existence.
                                                            Of course most of the preceding is just my own opinion and others may have a
                                                            completely different concept of what was going on "behind the scenes" back
                                                            then! :)



                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76190 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/18/2015
                                                            Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 19 April 2015
                                                            Attachments :
                                                              "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                              When
                                                              Sunday, 19 April 2015
                                                              05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                              (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                              Where
                                                              http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                              Notes
                                                              SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                              S-Trains   Calendar
                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76191 From: traindavid Date: 4/19/2015
                                                              Subject: MTH 2015 catalog?
                                                              Well, this is the 18th, anyone have word on the MTH 2015 catalog that is
                                                              supposed to debut today?
                                                              S'
                                                              David D.
                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76192 From: beebear Date: 4/19/2015
                                                              Subject: Re: S Spree in Dayton Ohio this May.

                                                              I am hoping to make it over to the next “S” meeting at Chud’s so I can take a look at what he has.

                                                              Then I can  let you know as I plan on attending the Spree also!!

                                                               

                                                              Thanks

                                                               

                                                              John Frankforther

                                                               

                                                              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                              Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 5:57 PM
                                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] S Spree in Dayton Ohio this May.

                                                               

                                                               

                                                              Hello John,

                                                                             I’ll have the DCC switching layout at the Spree.  I am an NCE dealer and offer 15% off.  What cabs/boards do you need? 

                                                               

                                                                             Let me know.

                                                               

                                                              -        Alan Evans

                                                              -        Central Ohio S Gaugers

                                                               

                                                              I know there will be several DCC engines for sale at the Spree.

                                                               

                                                              From: 'beebear' beebear@... [S-Trains] [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                              Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 3:08 PM
                                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] S Spree in Dayton Ohio this May.

                                                               

                                                               

                                                              I wish there were more dealers bringing DCC stuff!! I need some extra NCE controllers for my layout along with sound and control boards!!

                                                               

                                                              John

                                                               

                                                              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                              Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 12:45 AM
                                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                              Subject: [S-Trains] S Spree in Dayton Ohio this May.

                                                               

                                                               

                                                              Hi All,

                                                               As yahoo S-Trains is not on my mind a lot since I spend more time on FB S groups, I am not sure if anyone has mentioned the Spree this year. I was asked by the club if I could make a post on the group here. If anyone is interested the website is Miami Valley S Gaugers

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                                                              Miami Valley S Gaugers

                                                              Show times: May 8, 10:00 - 9:00; May 9, 9:00 - 3:00. Setup: Thursday May 7, 4:00 - 9:00. Teardown: Saturday May 9.

                                                              Preview by Yahoo

                                                              I hope some of you can make it on such a late notice. Thanks, Chris Burger. 

                                                               


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                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76193 From: Roy Inman Date: 4/19/2015
                                                              Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
                                                              Re: [S-Trains] MTH 2015 catalog? I have the 2015 MTH S gauge catalog in my hand. It has been out for months.

                                                              Roy Inman


                                                              on 4/18/15, 11:54 PM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                                               
                                                               
                                                               
                                                                 

                                                              Well, this is the 18th, anyone have word on the MTH 2015 catalog that is
                                                              supposed to debut today?
                                                              S'
                                                              David D.

                                                               
                                                                 



                                                              Roy
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                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76194 From: Gary Nessel Date: 4/19/2015
                                                              Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
                                                              I am looking at the www.mthtrains.com website & the only S catalog they are showing is the 2013 version...NO 2015 except the O Gauge.

                                                              On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Roy Inman rinphoto@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                               

                                                              I have the 2015 MTH S gauge catalog in my hand. It has been out for months.

                                                              Roy Inman


                                                              on 4/18/15, 11:54 PM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                                               
                                                               
                                                               
                                                                 

                                                              Well, this is the 18th, anyone have word on the MTH 2015 catalog that is
                                                              supposed to debut today?
                                                              S'
                                                              David D.

                                                               
                                                                 



                                                              Roy
                                                              --
                                                              Roy Inman

                                                              Awarded Ingram’s Magazine “Kansas City’s Best Photographer of the year, 2013”

                                                              Recent books:

                                                              Photographer and author: Kansas City’s Union Station: Reflections After 100 Years

                                                              Photographer And Author: The City of Fountains:
                                                              Kansas City’s Legacy of Beauty and Motion

                                                              Photographer: Last Bite: 100 Simple
                                                              Recipes from Kansas City’s Best Chefs and Cooks
                                                              Edited by Pete Dulin

                                                              All books available at:
                                                              www.thekansascitystore.com
                                                              Station Master Store at Union Station Kansas City
                                                              Rainy Day Books, Fairway KS
                                                              Amazon
                                                              Barnes & Noble online and retail stores

                                                              913-541-1759 land line
                                                              913-205-7143 cell
                                                              www.kcfountainphotos.com
                                                              www.royinmanphotos.net
                                                              www.unionstationphotos.com
                                                              www.unionstationkc.blogspot.com
                                                              www.fireeatingpressphotographer.blogspot.com
                                                              Facebook: Roy Inman Photographs





                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76195 From: Frank Date: 4/19/2015
                                                              Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
                                                              Who has them and how do you get them ?

                                                              Sent from my iPhone

                                                              On Apr 19, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Roy Inman rinphoto@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                               

                                                              I have the 2015 MTH S gauge catalog in my hand. It has been out for months.

                                                              Roy Inman


                                                              on 4/18/15, 11:54 PM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                                               
                                                               
                                                               
                                                                 

                                                              Well, this is the 18th, anyone have word on the MTH 2015 catalog that is
                                                              supposed to debut today?
                                                              S'
                                                              David D.

                                                               
                                                                 



                                                              Roy
                                                              --
                                                              Roy Inman

                                                              Awarded Ingram’s Magazine “Kansas City’s Best Photographer of the year, 2013”

                                                              Recent books:

                                                              Photographer and author: Kansas City’s Union Station: Reflections After 100 Years

                                                              Photographer And Author: The City of Fountains:
                                                              Kansas City’s Legacy of Beauty and Motion

                                                              Photographer: Last Bite: 100 Simple
                                                              Recipes from Kansas City’s Best Chefs and Cooks
                                                              Edited by Pete Dulin

                                                              All books available at:
                                                              www.thekansascitystore.com
                                                              Station Master Store at Union Station Kansas City
                                                              Rainy Day Books, Fairway KS
                                                              Amazon
                                                              Barnes & Noble online and retail stores

                                                              913-541-1759 land line
                                                              913-205-7143 cell
                                                              www.kcfountainphotos.com
                                                              www.royinmanphotos.net
                                                              www.unionstationphotos.com
                                                              www.unionstationkc.blogspot.com
                                                              www.fireeatingpressphotographer.blogspot.com
                                                              Facebook: Roy Inman Photographs




                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76196 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/19/2015
                                                              Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 19 April 2015
                                                              Attachments :
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                                                                When
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                                                                05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
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                                                                Where
                                                                http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                Notes
                                                                SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76197 From: Roy Inman Date: 4/19/2015
                                                                Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
                                                                Re: [S-Trains] MTH 2015 catalog? www.fredstrainshop.com in Overland Park, KS has them. I imagine other hobby shops do as well.

                                                                It can also be viewed online at www.lionel.com>products/catalogs.

                                                                Roy Inman


                                                                on 4/19/15, 11:15 AM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                                                 
                                                                 
                                                                 
                                                                   

                                                                Who has them and how do you get them ?

                                                                Sent from my iPhone

                                                                On Apr 19, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Roy Inman rinphoto@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                  
                                                                   

                                                                I have the 2015 MTH S gauge catalog in my hand. It has been out for months.

                                                                Roy Inman


                                                                on 4/18/15, 11:54 PM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                                                 
                                                                 
                                                                 
                                                                   

                                                                Well, this is the 18th, anyone have word on the MTH 2015 catalog that is
                                                                supposed to debut today?
                                                                S'
                                                                David D.

                                                                 
                                                                   



                                                                Roy

                                                                Roy
                                                                --
                                                                Roy Inman

                                                                Awarded Ingram’s Magazine “Kansas City’s Best Photographer of the year, 2013”

                                                                Recent books:

                                                                Photographer and author: Kansas City’s Union Station: Reflections After 100 Years

                                                                Photographer And Author: The City of Fountains:
                                                                Kansas City’s Legacy of Beauty and Motion

                                                                Photographer: Last Bite: 100 Simple
                                                                Recipes from Kansas City’s Best Chefs and Cooks
                                                                Edited by Pete Dulin

                                                                All books available at:
                                                                www.thekansascitystore.com
                                                                Station Master Store at Union Station Kansas City
                                                                Rainy Day Books, Fairway KS
                                                                Amazon
                                                                Barnes & Noble online and retail stores

                                                                913-541-1759 land line
                                                                913-205-7143 cell
                                                                www.kcfountainphotos.com
                                                                www.royinmanphotos.net
                                                                www.unionstationphotos.com
                                                                www.unionstationkc.blogspot.com
                                                                www.fireeatingpressphotographer.blogspot.com
                                                                Facebook: Roy Inman Photographs




                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76198 From: Tom Date: 4/19/2015
                                                                Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
                                                                There appears to be some confusion.  Are we talking about an MTH 2015 catalog?  I’d like to see one of those if it is MTH, which I think David was asking about.  

                                                                The Lionel 2015 AF catalog has been out for several months but that is obviously different than the MTH catalog.  Does anyone know about an MTH catalog?

                                                                Tom Detmer

                                                                On Apr 19, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Roy Inman rinphoto@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                www.fredstrainshop.com in Overland Park, KS has them. I imagine other hobby shops do as well.

                                                                It can also be viewed online at www.lionel.com>products/catalogs.

                                                                Roy Inman


                                                                on 4/19/15, 11:15 AM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                                                 
                                                                 
                                                                 
                                                                   


                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76199 From: Gary Nessel Date: 4/19/2015
                                                                Subject: MTH 2015 catalog?
                                                                I am looking at the MTH website right now & the only S Gauge catalog they are showing is the one from 2013.  They have the 2015 O Gauge, 
                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76200 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/19/2015
                                                                Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
                                                                From: Alan Lambert

                                                                Roy,
                                                                 That is not, I repeat not the MTH  S scale catalog that David D. was inquiring about.
                                                                  Alan
                                                                 



                                                                From: "Roy Inman rinphoto@... [S-Trains]"
                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:44 PM
                                                                Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH 2015 catalog?

                                                                 
                                                                www.fredstrainshop.com in Overland Park, KS has them. I imagine other hobby shops do as well.

                                                                It can also be viewed online at www.lionel.com>products/catalogs.

                                                                Roy Inman


                                                                on 4/19/15, 11:15 AM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                                                 
                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76201 From: Roy Inman Date: 4/19/2015
                                                                Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
                                                                Re: [S-Trains] MTH 2015 catalog? Silly me!

                                                                That would be the AMERICAN FLYER BY LIONEL catalog that I had in my hands.

                                                                Sorry :)

                                                                Roy Inman


                                                                on 4/19/15, 2:57 PM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                                                 
                                                                 
                                                                 
                                                                   

                                                                I am looking at the MTH website right now & the only S Gauge catalog they are showing is the one from 2013.  They have the 2015 O Gauge, 
                                                                 
                                                                   



                                                                Roy
                                                                --
                                                                Roy Inman

                                                                Awarded Ingram’s Magazine “Kansas City’s Best Photographer of the year, 2013”

                                                                Recent books:

                                                                Photographer and author: Kansas City’s Union Station: Reflections After 100 Years

                                                                Photographer And Author: The City of Fountains:
                                                                Kansas City’s Legacy of Beauty and Motion

                                                                Photographer: Last Bite: 100 Simple
                                                                Recipes from Kansas City’s Best Chefs and Cooks
                                                                Edited by Pete Dulin

                                                                All books available at:
                                                                www.thekansascitystore.com
                                                                Station Master Store at Union Station Kansas City
                                                                Rainy Day Books, Fairway KS
                                                                Amazon
                                                                Barnes & Noble online and retail stores

                                                                913-541-1759 land line
                                                                913-205-7143 cell
                                                                www.kcfountainphotos.com
                                                                www.royinmanphotos.net
                                                                www.unionstationphotos.com
                                                                www.unionstationkc.blogspot.com
                                                                www.fireeatingpressphotographer.blogspot.com
                                                                Facebook: Roy Inman Photographs




                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76202 From: Frank Emiro Date: 4/19/2015
                                                                Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
                                                                Lol 

                                                                Sent from my iPhone

                                                                On Apr 19, 2015, at 3:06 PM, "Roy Inman rinphoto@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                 

                                                                Silly me!

                                                                That would be the AMERICAN FLYER BY LIONEL catalog that I had in my hands.

                                                                Sorry :)

                                                                Roy Inman


                                                                on 4/19/15, 2:57 PM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                                                 
                                                                 
                                                                 
                                                                   

                                                                I am looking at the MTH website right now & the only S Gauge catalog they are showing is the one from 2013.  They have the 2015 O Gauge, 
                                                                 
                                                                   



                                                                Roy
                                                                --
                                                                Roy Inman

                                                                Awarded Ingram’s Magazine “Kansas City’s Best Photographer of the year, 2013”

                                                                Recent books:

                                                                Photographer and author: Kansas City’s Union Station: Reflections After 100 Years

                                                                Photographer And Author: The City of Fountains:
                                                                Kansas City’s Legacy of Beauty and Motion

                                                                Photographer: Last Bite: 100 Simple
                                                                Recipes from Kansas City’s Best Chefs and Cooks
                                                                Edited by Pete Dulin

                                                                All books available at:
                                                                www.thekansascitystore.com
                                                                Station Master Store at Union Station Kansas City
                                                                Rainy Day Books, Fairway KS
                                                                Amazon
                                                                Barnes & Noble online and retail stores

                                                                913-541-1759 land line
                                                                913-205-7143 cell
                                                                www.kcfountainphotos.com
                                                                www.royinmanphotos.net
                                                                www.unionstationphotos.com
                                                                www.unionstationkc.blogspot.com
                                                                www.fireeatingpressphotographer.blogspot.com
                                                                Facebook: Roy Inman Photographs




                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76203 From: Gary Nessel Date: 4/19/2015
                                                                Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
                                                                Where is it then Alan?

                                                                On Sunday, April 19, 2015, Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                 

                                                                From: Alan Lambert

                                                                Roy,
                                                                 That is not, I repeat not the MTH  S scale catalog that David D. was inquiring about.
                                                                  Alan
                                                                 



                                                                From: "Roy Inman rinphoto@... [S-Trains]"
                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:44 PM
                                                                Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH 2015 catalog?

                                                                 
                                                                www.fredstrainshop.com in Overland Park, KS has them. I imagine other hobby shops do as well.

                                                                It can also be viewed online at www.lionel.com>products/catalogs.

                                                                Roy Inman


                                                                on 4/19/15, 11:15 AM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                                                 

                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76204 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/19/2015
                                                                Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
                                                                From: Alan Lambert

                                                                Gary, Why not ask MTH where the 2015 catalog is. Lionel has the new 2015 Flyonel  catalog on line as Roy stated.
                                                                 Alan

                                                                 



                                                                From: "Gary Nessel lacness.gdn@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 5:33 PM
                                                                Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH 2015 catalog?

                                                                 
                                                                Where is it then Alan?

                                                                On Sunday, April 19, 2015, Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                 
                                                                From: Alan Lambert

                                                                Roy,
                                                                 That is not, I repeat not the MTH  S scale catalog that David D. was inquiring about.
                                                                  Alan
                                                                 



                                                                From: "Roy Inman rinphoto@... [S-Trains]"
                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:44 PM
                                                                Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH 2015 catalog?

                                                                 
                                                                www.fredstrainshop.com in Overland Park, KS has them. I imagine other hobby shops do as well.

                                                                It can also be viewed online at www.lionel.com>products/catalogs.

                                                                Roy Inman


                                                                on 4/19/15, 11:15 AM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                                                 


                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76205 From: alan Date: 4/19/2015
                                                                Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
                                                                  Check it out.

                                                                I found the 2015 cat under the --- www.lionel.com site.  It shows some new items for 2015.

                                                                Hamilton Alan


                                                                On Apr 19, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Gary Nessel lacness.gdn@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                 

                                                                Where is it then Alan?

                                                                On Sunday, April 19, 2015, Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                 

                                                                From: Alan Lambert

                                                                Roy,
                                                                 That is not, I repeat not the MTH  S scale catalog that David D. was inquiring about.
                                                                  Alan
                                                                 



                                                                From: "Roy Inman rinphoto@... [S-Trains]"
                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:44 PM
                                                                Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH 2015 catalog?

                                                                 
                                                                www.fredstrainshop.com in Overland Park, KS has them. I imagine other hobby shops do as well.

                                                                It can also be viewed online at www.lionel.com>products/catalogs.

                                                                Roy Inman


                                                                on 4/19/15, 11:15 AM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                                                 



                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76206 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 4/20/2015
                                                                Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
                                                                MTH has said on it's Face Book page that they are waiting for the F-3's to be delivered before they release the 2015 Catalogs. I was told they have working samples at MTH now. So hopefully soon. Before I die! Chris Burger
                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76207 From: gdotn0868@att.net Date: 4/20/2015
                                                                Subject: Re: MTH 2015 catalog?
                                                                Thanks cbtrainnut3.  I just got off the phone with MTH Customer Service & was basicly told the same thing.  They supposedly will have their 2-Gauge Club Car available sometime in July of this year, but no specific date on when the actual 2015 S-Gauge Catalog will be out.  I did ask the dumb question about whether MTH will ever come out with a Polar Express trains set & they no, due to not having the Rights to do so, whereas Lionel does.  
                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76208 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 4/21/2015
                                                                Subject: Cloth tape for vintage trains??

                                                                Some of my old Lionel, Marx, and American Flyer engines and accessories have cloth electrical tape wrapped around this or that.. I'd like to use the same kind, but when I did a search for it, there's way too many types out there for me to figure out what's what.. Can anyone out there who restores point me in the right direction? I'd also be interested in buying a roll of the cloth covered wire they used to use... Buying a roll or 2 will definitely save me some cash in the long run instead of buying it a few inches at a time...

                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76209 From: Robert Lampe Date: 4/21/2015
                                                                Subject: Re: Cloth tape for vintage trains??
                                                                I knnow the stuff you're talking about. it was called friction tape. I saw it some years ago but not sure if it is available in places like Home Depot or Lowe's BUT it may be available in specialty radio parts stores...but guess what?....I found it at Ace here's the link.
                                                                http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1285885
                                                                                                                                      Bob Lampe
                                                                                                               Kalispell, MT


                                                                From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 09:15:50 -0700
                                                                Subject: [S-Trains] Cloth tape for vintage trains??

                                                                 

                                                                Some of my old Lionel, Marx, and American Flyer engines and accessories have cloth electrical tape wrapped around this or that.. I'd like to use the same kind, but when I did a search for it, there's way too many types out there for me to figure out what's what.. Can anyone out there who restores point me in the right direction? I'd also be interested in buying a roll of the cloth covered wire they used to use... Buying a roll or 2 will definitely save me some cash in the long run instead of buying it a few inches at a time...

                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76210 From: kissimmeeaf Date: 4/22/2015
                                                                Subject: Re: Cloth tape for vintage trains??
                                                                Most hockey stores have it. The blade of the stick is wrapped with it.
                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76211 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/22/2015
                                                                Subject: dentist tomorrow @ 12:00, Wednesday, 22 April 2015
                                                                Attachments :
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                                                                  When
                                                                  Wednesday, 22 April 2015
                                                                  08:00 AM to 08:30 AM
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                                                                  From
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                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76212 From: traindavid Date: 4/22/2015
                                                                  Subject: Cloth tape for vintage trains??
                                                                  Yes, you are looking for "Friction Tape" but it varies in "stickiness"
                                                                  can't tell you how to find the right level of "stick." It may be a function
                                                                  of age of the tape?
                                                                  As for cloth wire, vintage car suppliers, like Rhode Island Wiring Service
                                                                  sell it. Been a long time since I bought any, maybe they aren't around
                                                                  anymore?? The wire used between engine tender, or truck rivet to light
                                                                  socket is called "super-flex" wire and uses a much smaller strand in the
                                                                  multi-strand wire--the best stuff actually comes woven around a cloth center
                                                                  core. it is designed to be flexed a lot without breaking.
                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76213 From: nnn0tjf Date: 4/23/2015
                                                                  Subject: Flyonel couplers

                                                                  I just became the proud owner of a Flyonel Challenger rear coupler and have a couple of questions--what is the operating voltage for it to operate (assuming AC), and two is there anyway it can be put into a DCC environment ? I ask this because I am running a Flyonel Y-3 and would love to operate that rear coupler also on DCC.


                                                                  Thanks,


                                                                  Kelly Johnson

                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76214 From: Bill Clark Date: 4/23/2015
                                                                  Subject: Re: Flyonel couplers
                                                                  Hi Kelly,

                                                                  When he first wrote the DCC code for the Y-3 I asked Jon (from Lionel) if it would be possible to support the automatic coupler in DCC mode. He said that it would require a hardware change.



                                                                  On 4/23/2015 2:04 AM, nnn0tjf@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                   

                                                                  I just became the proud owner of a Flyonel Challenger rear coupler and have a couple of questions--what is the operating voltage for it to operate (assuming AC), and two is there anyway it can be put into a DCC environment ? I ask this because I am running a Flyonel Y-3 and would love to operate that rear coupler also on DCC.


                                                                  Thanks,


                                                                  Kelly Johnson


                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76215 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 4/23/2015
                                                                  Subject: Coal Dump Return Spring

                                                                  Could I ask a favor of those in the group that have a relatively newer Flyonel Coal Dump car?  in the process of replacing the truck on my dump car, I think I misplaced a spring that assists the side of the car to return to the upright position after dumping the load.  What I need to know is whether the spring goes on the side where the gears are on the pivot screw or on the end with just the screw?  If you can take a quick look on your car and let me now, it would be greatly appreciated.

                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76216 From: William J Gill Date: 4/23/2015
                                                                  Subject: Re: Coal Dump Return Spring
                                                                  Jim, I've got a Flyonel 6-49056, Northern Pacific Coal Dump Car. I looked and looked and looked again. There's no spring on my car in either location. And your inquiry prompted a first out of the box experience for this car. In rotating the car body to the dump position by hand, it didn't seem to need any help going back to the "normal" position. I saw three springs total on the car. One under each coupler to help keep the coupler "weight" down. And one under the power tab truck screw. Am I missing something?


                                                                  Bill
                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76217 From: albert paolozzi Date: 4/23/2015
                                                                  Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard
                                                                  You can obtain the parts from Portlines hobby supply in Newburyport, Ma  phone 978-465-8798.  Good luck,  Al



                                                                  On Saturday, April 18, 2015 5:31 AM, "Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                   
                                                                  Greetings!
                                                                  The "Easter Bunny" left the Gilbert 771 stockyard and the 736 cattle car.
                                                                  In order to keep the cows in the car, I need some doors. As the car is the unpainted red version, unpainted red doors, would be my first choice. Guides and latches would be a plus. Please contact me off list if you can help with my search.
                                                                  Thanks and best wishes,
                                                                  Charlie in W MI



                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76218 From: bobgarm Date: 4/24/2015
                                                                  Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
                                                                  Bill:

                                                                  How do I get to the wipers.  The manual talks about pushing a tab to loosen the side frames, but where the tab(s) lie is not obvious just looking at the base of the unit.  I don't want to damage things.  Does anyone have a photo or Youtube showing how to do this,

                                                                  Bob
                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76219 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 4/24/2015
                                                                  Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
                                                                  Hi Bob,


                                                                  I have photos of disassembling my SHS NW2, which I presume is fairly
                                                                  similar to your SW9, on my web site:


                                                                  http://pmrr.org/Equipment/NW2/index3.htm


                                                                  HTH,
                                                                  - Peter.




                                                                  On 04/24/2015 3:54 pm, p3garm@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                  > Bill:
                                                                  >
                                                                  > How do I get to the wipers. The manual talks about pushing a tab to
                                                                  > loosen the side frames, but where the tab(s) lie is not obvious just
                                                                  > looking at the base of the unit. I don't want to damage things. Does
                                                                  > anyone have a photo or Youtube showing how to do this,
                                                                  >
                                                                  > Bob


                                                                  --
                                                                  Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
                                                                  Houston, Texas


                                                                  My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
                                                                  My business site: http://fourthray.com/
                                                                  Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/
                                                                  NASG site: http://nasg.org/
                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76220 From: ronaldd757 Date: 4/24/2015
                                                                  Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
                                                                  Bob:
                                                                   Look at the attached PDF from Alan Carroll.
                                                                  Ron D.
                                                                    @@attachment@@
                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76221 From: ronaldd757 Date: 4/25/2015
                                                                  Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
                                                                  Peter:
                                                                   Your instructions are very well done and easy to follow.
                                                                  Ron D.
                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76222 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 4/25/2015
                                                                  Subject: Re: Coal Dump Return Spring
                                                                  Bill -
                                                                  First, thanks for taking the time to get out your coal dump car and take a good look at it.  

                                                                  After more research and consideration, I don't think you are missing any spring, nor am I.  I was remembering back to when my car was together and the side seemed to have some "springiness" to it when it closed.  I went ahead and reassembled the car without any spring and it seems to be as it was when new.  

                                                                  I recently cleaned up my bench and lowered it from a standing workbench to a sitting one because of not-so-young legs.  The spring that I assumed went with the coal car must have turned up as i moved things around.  Now I'm wondering just what the heck it is for!

                                                                  Thanks again,
                                                                  Jim E.


                                                                  From: "William J Gill wjbillgill@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                  Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 3:15:47 PM
                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Coal Dump Return Spring

                                                                   

                                                                  Jim, I've got a Flyonel 6-49056, Northern Pacific Coal Dump Car. I looked and looked and looked again. There's no spring on my car in either location. And your inquiry prompted a first out of the box experience for this car. In rotating the car body to the dump position by hand, it didn't seem to need any help going back to the "normal" position. I saw three springs total on the car. One under each coupler to help keep the coupler "weight" down. And one under the power tab truck screw. Am I missing something?

                                                                  Bill


                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76223 From: Charles Hancock Date: 4/25/2015
                                                                  Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard
                                                                  Thanks Al!
                                                                  Will give Portlines a try next week.
                                                                  Best wishes,
                                                                  Charlie

                                                                  On Apr 23, 2015, at 10:14 PM, albert paolozzi amflyral@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                   

                                                                  You can obtain the parts from Portlines hobby supply in Newburyport, Ma  phone 978-465-8798.  Good luck,  Al



                                                                  On Saturday, April 18, 2015 5:31 AM, "Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                   
                                                                  Greetings!
                                                                  The "Easter Bunny" left the Gilbert 771 stockyard and the 736 cattle car.
                                                                  In order to keep the cows in the car, I need some doors. As the car is the unpainted red version, unpainted red doors, would be my first choice. Guides and latches would be a plus. Please contact me off list if you can help with my search.
                                                                  Thanks and best wishes,
                                                                  Charlie in W MI





                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76224 From: bobgarm Date: 4/25/2015
                                                                  Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
                                                                  Thank you very much!
                                                                  Bob
                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76225 From: albert paolozzi Date: 4/25/2015
                                                                  Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard
                                                                  Charles what parts did you need?  I think i have them   Al,



                                                                  On Saturday, April 25, 2015 8:34 AM, "Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                   
                                                                  Thanks Al!
                                                                  Will give Portlines a try next week.
                                                                  Best wishes,
                                                                  Charlie

                                                                  On Apr 23, 2015, at 10:14 PM, albert paolozzi amflyral@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                   

                                                                  You can obtain the parts from Portlines hobby supply in Newburyport, Ma  phone 978-465-8798.  Good luck,  Al



                                                                  On Saturday, April 18, 2015 5:31 AM, "Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                   
                                                                  Greetings!
                                                                  The "Easter Bunny" left the Gilbert 771 stockyard and the 736 cattle car.
                                                                  In order to keep the cows in the car, I need some doors. As the car is the unpainted red version, unpainted red doors, would be my first choice. Guides and latches would be a plus. Please contact me off list if you can help with my search.
                                                                  Thanks and best wishes,
                                                                  Charlie in W MI







                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76226 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/25/2015
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                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76227 From: nnn0tjf Date: 4/26/2015
                                                                    Subject: Re: Flyonel couplers
                                                                    Bill,

                                                                       Thanks for  the help--Do you know what voltage and mode the coupler assembly uses to operate??

                                                                    Kelly


                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76228 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 4/26/2015
                                                                    Subject: Original Tipple Cars for sale
                                                                    One red and one green tipple car for the handcar "mine train."


                                                                    Both cars work well. Paint is better on the red one- green one is pretty
                                                                    rough. Need some TLC.


                                                                    $20 each; 30 for the pair/Buyer pays actual shipping (Reproduscions are
                                                                    $25 each)
                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76229 From: Mike Leahy Date: 4/26/2015
                                                                    Subject: Removing decals

                                                                    I have an American Flyer Missouri Pacific set with the 5 digit diesels that could use new decals on the nose.  What procedure should I follow in removing the old stickers?

                                                                     

                                                                    Thanks,

                                                                     

                                                                    Mike Leahy

                                                                    Boulder, CO

                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76230 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 4/26/2015
                                                                    Subject: AM cross over help needed.
                                                                    I converted 3 Industrial Rail cars to scale.

                                                                    I do not yet have an AM cross over so I tried a Pikemaster cross over.

                                                                    So I am looking to see if there is a problem with the wheels and I can't push the cars over the cross over.

                                                                    Seems I used a lock nut with the plastic inside to keep the screw tight.

                                                                    It is hitting the center of the cross over.

                                                                    So I still don't know if scale engines and cars will work on the AM cross over??????

                                                                    So now I may need to get flatter nuts as well.

                                                                    If the AM cross over works on scale may be it is lower then the Pikemaster in the center?

                                                                    Since I can't run out and buy a AM cross over I need to know if it will work before I get nuts buying new nuts.

                                                                    Jim Sleeth






                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76231 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/26/2015
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                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76232 From: fahrwud Date: 4/27/2015
                                                                      Subject: Re: Cloth tape for vintage trains??
                                                                      There are some suppliers in the vintage area, but a lot of their wire supply isn't smaller than 18 gauge, sometimes 20:




                                                                      You can find smaller at vintage guitar restorers: these guys have 22 gauge cloth-wrapped:


                                                                      Dave W
                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76233 From: Dave W Date: 4/27/2015
                                                                      Subject: Re: Digest Number 6737
                                                                      There are some suppliers in the vintage area, but a lot of their supply isn't smaller than 18 gauge, sometimes 20:




                                                                      You can find smaller at vintage guitar restorers: these guys have 22 gauge cloth-wrapped:





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                                                                      1a. Re: Cloth tape for vintage trains??   
                                                                          From:  kissimmeeaf
                                                                      1b. Cloth tape for vintage trains??   
                                                                          From:  traindavid

                                                                      2. dentist tomorrow @ 12:00, Wednesday, 22 April 2015   
                                                                          From:  S-Trains@yahoogroups.com


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                                                                      1a. Re: Cloth tape for vintage trains??
                                                                          Posted by:  maxmac@... kissimmeeaf
                                                                          Date: Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:30 am ((PDT))

                                                                      Most hockey stores have it. The blade of the stick is wrapped with it.



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                                                                      1b. Cloth tape for vintage trains??
                                                                          Posted by:  djdewey@... traindavid
                                                                          Date: Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:07 am ((PDT))

                                                                      Yes, you are looking for "Friction Tape"  but it varies in "stickiness"
                                                                      can't tell you how to find the right level of "stick." It may be a function
                                                                      of age of the tape?
                                                                      As for cloth wire, vintage car suppliers, like Rhode Island Wiring Service
                                                                      sell it. Been a long time since I bought any, maybe they aren't around
                                                                      anymore?? The wire used between engine  tender, or truck rivet to light
                                                                      socket is called "super-flex" wire and uses a much smaller strand in the
                                                                      multi-strand wire--the best stuff actually comes woven around a cloth center
                                                                      core. it is designed to be flexed a lot without breaking.









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                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76234 From: Joe Haughney Date: 4/27/2015
                                                                      Subject: Re: York News

                                                                      Hi,

                                                                      I was wondering  if any one was at the York meet this weekend. If so, any news on new MTH products/catalogue and other diverse offerings of interest for those of us of the great unwashed who were tied up with other events/or lacked funds to support a trip to the Pa. Dutch happy hunting grounds.

                                                                      Regards,

                                                                      Joe Haughney

                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76235 From: Robert Lampe Date: 4/27/2015
                                                                      Subject: Re: York News
                                                                      MTH emailed me a while back...month or so..telling me that the F-3's won't be released until late summer.
                                                                                   Bob Lampe
                                                                                    Kalispell, MT


                                                                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                      Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 08:56:20 -0400
                                                                      Subject: RE: [S-Trains] York News

                                                                       

                                                                      Hi,

                                                                      I was wondering  if any one was at the York meet this weekend. If so, any news on new MTH products/catalogue and other diverse offerings of interest for those of us of the great unwashed who were tied up with other events/or lacked funds to support a trip to the Pa. Dutch happy hunting grounds.

                                                                      Regards,

                                                                      Joe Haughney


                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76236 From: bobgarm Date: 4/27/2015
                                                                      Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
                                                                      Peter:

                                                                      Thanks -- these photos are very clear.  I guessed you had to pull the coupler mount, but wanted confirmation before destroying something.  Thanks also to you and Don for the tweezer trick.  I used two jewelers screw drivers to achieve the result, but tweezers will work better.

                                                                      My electrical problem was a bent pickup wire.  I re-aligned and bent it out, much like you did to get a good fit. 

                                                                      So now it works -- and now I know how to convert to scale wheels -- should that need arise.

                                                                      Unfortunate that the manual was misleading.

                                                                      Thanks for the help
                                                                      Bob Garman
                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76237 From: Mike and Debra Vana Date: 4/27/2015
                                                                      Subject: Gilbert HO F3 replacement gears
                                                                      I realize that this isn’t quite S gauge, but if people would know,
                                                                      they would be on this list. Does anyone know of a source for
                                                                      replacement axle gears for the pikemaster era HO Gilbert F3’s?
                                                                      They are usually broken, even on brand new units. Sometimes
                                                                      people used brass replacement gears. I am looking for whatever
                                                                      works, and hopefully at an affordable price.
                                                                       
                                                                      And, does anyone know the part number? I have never seen a
                                                                      parts diagram for an HO F3, Does one even exist?
                                                                       
                                                                      If nothing else, Athearn mechanisms can be adapted, and those
                                                                      F3’s will run,, even if they are not original. But, I would like to
                                                                      keep them as original as possible.
                                                                       
                                                                      Mike Vana  Omaha, NE.
                                                                       
                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76238 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 4/27/2015
                                                                      Subject: Re: SHS SW9 Stalling Problem
                                                                      Hi Bob,


                                                                      Glad that they could help.


                                                                      I learned about how those wipers can be the problem shortly after I got
                                                                      it and I ran it on our Houston S Gaugers club layout. We had problems
                                                                      with electrical shorts on the layout back then. My engine got caught in
                                                                      the middle of it. The engine's DCC decoder kept working fine, but the
                                                                      engine started stalling more and more. When I got home, I opened it up
                                                                      and found two of the wipers with black corrosion on them and they had
                                                                      bent back away from the back of the wheels. Cleaning the wipers and then
                                                                      re-bending them back solved the problem. It's a good thing that SHS
                                                                      packed and extra set in the box. I haven't had any problems with them
                                                                      since then, but they do tend to collect hair and dust, so even if your
                                                                      wheels are clean, checking the back of the wheels to see if those wipers
                                                                      have accumulated some gunk helps.


                                                                      Happy Running!
                                                                      - Peter.






                                                                      On 04/27/2015 4:56 pm, p3garm@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                      >
                                                                      >
                                                                      > Peter:
                                                                      >
                                                                      > Thanks -- these photos are very clear. I guessed you had to pull the
                                                                      > coupler mount, but wanted confirmation before destroying something.
                                                                      > Thanks also to you and Don for the tweezer trick. I used two jewelers
                                                                      > screw drivers to achieve the result, but tweezers will work better.
                                                                      >
                                                                      > My electrical problem was a bent pickup wire. I re-aligned and bent it
                                                                      > out, much like you did to get a good fit.
                                                                      >
                                                                      > So now it works -- and now I know how to convert to scale wheels --
                                                                      > should that need arise.
                                                                      >
                                                                      > Unfortunate that the manual was misleading.
                                                                      >
                                                                      > Thanks for the help
                                                                      > Bob Garman
                                                                      >
                                                                      --
                                                                      Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
                                                                      Houston, Texas


                                                                      My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
                                                                      My business site: http://fourthray.com/
                                                                      Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/
                                                                      NASG site: http://nasg.org/
                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76239 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 4/27/2015
                                                                      Subject: Re: Gilbert HO F3 replacement gears

                                                                      Hi Mike

                                                                       

                                                                      Bruce Gripkey in California has them he purchased several Gilbert H.O. repair stations his phone number is 661-822-6656 please let me know how you make out ve some l problems with walking thanks Stan

                                                                       

                                                                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                      Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 7:51 PM
                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO F3 replacement gears

                                                                       

                                                                       

                                                                      I realize that this isn’t quite S gauge, but if people would know,

                                                                      they would be on this list. Does anyone know of a source for

                                                                      replacement axle gears for the pikemaster era HO Gilbert F3’s?

                                                                      They are usually broken, even on brand new units. Sometimes

                                                                      people used brass replacement gears. I am looking for whatever

                                                                      works, and hopefully at an affordable price.

                                                                       

                                                                      And, does anyone know the part number? I have never seen a

                                                                      parts diagram for an HO F3, Does one even exist?

                                                                       

                                                                      If nothing else, Athearn mechanisms can be adapted, and those

                                                                      F3’s will run,, even if they are not original. But, I would like to

                                                                      keep them as original as possible.

                                                                       

                                                                      Mike Vana  Omaha, NE.

                                                                       

                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76240 From: Ron Inscho Date: 4/27/2015
                                                                      Subject: Re: Gilbert HO F3 replacement gears
                                                                      
                                                                      the F-3 of that era is actually a Marx product should not be too hard to find parts
                                                                       
                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76241 From: richs009 Date: 4/27/2015
                                                                      Subject: Re: Gilbert HO F3 replacement gears
                                                                      Mike - Chuck Harrington has posted parts diagrams and lists for Gilbert HO on his website:

                                                                      Gallery :: American Flyer HO

                                                                       

                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76242 From: Kyle Date: 4/28/2015
                                                                      Subject: Re: York News
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                                                                        I talked to Andy Friday @ York. 

                                                                         

                                                                        The F3s are in production.  They have been hung up on retooling to fit the new electronics into the available space, adopting their manufacturing process to accommodate the SHS parts and assembly design, and attempting to develop a coil coupler to fit. Unfortunately they will not be shipped with the coil couplers, there just wasn’t enough physical room for the necessary armature and their “Muscle Wire” HO system didn’t have the necessary strength.  They are still working the issue but will not delay further the F3 production and shipment.

                                                                         

                                                                        He said that once the F3s ship they will issue the 2015 catalog.  Unfortunately he couldn’t give a firm shipment date.

                                                                         

                                                                        Kyle Russell

                                                                        BAAFC 447

                                                                        NASG 06F0022E

                                                                        TCA 06-60660

                                                                         

                                                                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                        Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 8:56 AM
                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                        Subject: RE: [S-Trains] York News

                                                                         

                                                                         

                                                                        Hi,

                                                                        I was wondering  if any one was at the York meet this weekend. If so, any news on new MTH products/catalogue and other diverse offerings of interest for those of us of the great unwashed who were tied up with other events/or lacked funds to support a trip to the Pa. Dutch happy hunting grounds.

                                                                        Regards,

                                                                        Joe Haughney

                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76243 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/28/2015
                                                                        Subject: Re: Gilbert HO F3 replacement gears

                                                                        We have the new Gilbert HO Engine Schematics and Parts Lists by Mike Korando in stock.

                                                                        This is a comparable book to his S-gauge volumes.

                                                                        “Introduced” it at York last week.

                                                                        I’ll have it posted on our homepage later today.

                                                                         

                                                                        <<< And, does anyone know the part number? I have never seen a
                                                                        parts diagram for an HO F3, Does one even exist? >>>>

                                                                         

                                                                        Doug Peck
                                                                        Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                                                        6 Storeybrooke Drive
                                                                        Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                                                        doug@...
                                                                        www.portlines.com
                                                                        Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only.
                                                                        978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
                                                                        1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
                                                                        VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

                                                                         

                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76244 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/29/2015
                                                                        Subject: Re: Gilbert HO F3 replacement gears
                                                                        The early F3's were made by Varney and the later ones were probably made by the same overseas supplier that made Marx HO but it may be a stretch to say that they were a "Marx product." 

                                                                        Dale Smith

                                                                        On 4/27/2015 7:12 PM, 'Ron Inscho' roninscho@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                         

                                                                        

                                                                        the F-3 of that era is actually a Marx product should not be too hard to find parts
                                                                         

                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76245 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/29/2015
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                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76246 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 4/29/2015
                                                                        Subject: Re: Gilbert HO F3 replacement gears

                                                                        Hi Dale

                                                                        Bruce Gripkey has a lot of the parts for them 661 822 6656

                                                                        Thanks Stan

                                                                         

                                                                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                        Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 2:50 PM
                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                        Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO F3 replacement gears

                                                                         

                                                                         

                                                                        The early F3's were made by Varney and the later ones were probably made by the same overseas supplier that made Marx HO but it may be a stretch to say that they were a "Marx product." 

                                                                        Dale Smith

                                                                        On 4/27/2015 7:12 PM, 'Ron Inscho' roninscho@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                         

                                                                        

                                                                        the F-3 of that era is actually a Marx product should not be too hard to find parts

                                                                         

                                                                         

                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76247 From: traindavid Date: 4/30/2015
                                                                        Subject: Sorry about that file notification
                                                                        That pic has nothing to do with trains, and I unchecked the "notify" box,
                                                                        but apparently Yahoo didn't care. I just needed an online URL to share that
                                                                        photo with another Buick guy. It's a car I used to care for as the city's
                                                                        curator. Someday when I'm not on dial-up internet, I will actually be able
                                                                        to get to my website and use it for such stuff! Meantime the website
                                                                        (dewey-mountain.com) languishes out there, not updated, nor even relevant!
                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76248 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/2/2015
                                                                        Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 03 May 2015
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                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76249 From: Charles Hancock Date: 5/3/2015
                                                                          Subject: Af 771 Stockyard
                                                                          Greetings to all!
                                                                          Many thanks to those who helped me locate the doors for the "cattle car".
                                                                          The cattle and I appreciate it!
                                                                          Best wishes,
                                                                          Charlie in W MI
                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76250 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/3/2015
                                                                          Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 03 May 2015
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                                                                            "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                            When
                                                                            Sunday, 03 May 2015
                                                                            05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                            (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                            Where
                                                                            http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                            Notes
                                                                            SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76251 From: Charles Hancock Date: 5/3/2015
                                                                            Subject: AF 771 Stockyard
                                                                            Greetings to all!
                                                                            My thanks to the group for the help in locating the stockcar doors.
                                                                            The cattle and I appreciate it.
                                                                            Thanks and best wishes,
                                                                            Charlie In WMI
                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76252 From: UNLV666@... Date: 5/4/2015
                                                                            Subject: S-Helper Turnouts
                                                                            Does anyone have a left-handed "S" Helper manual turnout for sale? Used but workable is okay.
                                                                             
                                                                             
                                                                            Joe
                                                                            New Hampshire
                                                                             
                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76253 From: James Lyle Date: 5/4/2015
                                                                            Subject: Re: S-Helper Turnouts
                                                                            Seems to me latest Dispatch had article on dealer, showed switches on shelf.
                                                                            Jim LYLE

                                                                            Sent from my iPhone

                                                                            On May 4, 2015, at 10:30 AM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                            Does anyone have a left-handed "S" Helper manual turnout for sale? Used but workable is okay.
                                                                             
                                                                             
                                                                            Joe
                                                                            New Hampshire
                                                                             
                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76254 From: UNLV666@... Date: 5/5/2015
                                                                            Subject: Re: S-Helper Turnouts
                                                                            Thanks, Jim. I have had a reply from someone who has what I need. This yahoo group really works!
                                                                             
                                                                            Joe
                                                                             
                                                                             
                                                                            In a message dated 5/4/2015 8:12:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                             

                                                                            Seems to me latest Dispatch had article on dealer, showed switches on shelf.
                                                                            Jim LYLE

                                                                            Sent from my iPhone

                                                                            On May 4, 2015, at 10:30 AM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                            Does anyone have a left-handed "S" Helper manual turnout for sale? Used but workable is okay.
                                                                             
                                                                             
                                                                            Joe
                                                                            New Hampshire
                                                                             

                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76255 From: stephen.terni Date: 5/5/2015
                                                                            Subject: AF Lehigh Valley ES44AC Legacy Diesel AB Set 6-42548 6-42549

                                                                            Hi ll,

                                                                            Anyone interested in acquiring this new in box AB set? $490 including shipping.  If interested

                                                                            please email me off line.  Thanks.

                                                                            Steve in Houston

                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76256 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/6/2015
                                                                            Subject: Spring S Spree

                                                                            The Spring S Spree is just days away, and we'll be there as usual.  What surprises me is that there is so little talk or promotion of it  here on the S Trains Yahoo Group.  This has been a "mainstay" it what's happening in S for a LONG time!


                                                                            Are our numbers declining that fast?   Has Facebook taken over?  Is no one interested anymore?


                                                                            The Spree is generally one of the best and friendliest train shows we do every year.  In these times of there being fewer shows and Cindy and I not able to travel as much as we used to, we really look forward to this event.  We'll be there with a new layout and trains to show and a few odds and ends for sale to "thin the herd" as usual. 


                                                                            It'll be nice to see a lot of old friends again and meet new ones.  Hope to see YOU there.  Stop by and say hello.


                                                                            Stumpy Stone in Eastern Ahia

                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76257 From: alan Date: 5/6/2015
                                                                            Subject: Re: Spring S Spree
                                                                              Stumpy and all S gaugers in the land.
                                                                             
                                                                            MVSG 2015 Spring Spree is going to be a very busy venue.  The Club is growing in members NOT declining.   I can't answer your question as to WHY there has been such little banter on the  Yahoo S group.

                                                                            Vendors set up Thurs later afternoon and Fri morning.  The Spree opens to the public Friday @10:00AM  & Saturday @ 9:00   There will be lots to see for all lovers of the Indoor  "Real Two Rail Train".  

                                                                            Come and enjoy a good time and meet a great bunch of hobbyist .  It will be at the IBEW union hall just off I-75 ( same place as the last spree).    I think the address is 6550 Poe Ave  Dayton, oh 45410

                                                                            WE look forward to seeing old friends and hope to meet lots of new faces. 

                                                                            MVSG member A Smith.



                                                                            On May 6, 2015, at 10:42 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                             

                                                                            The Spring S Spree is just days away, and we'll be there as usual.  What surprises me is that there is so little talk or promotion of it  here on the S Trains Yahoo Group.  This has been a "mainstay" it what's happening in S for a LONG time!


                                                                            Are our numbers declining that fast?   Has Facebook taken over?  Is no one interested anymore?


                                                                            The Spree is generally one of the best and friendliest train shows we do every year.  In these times of there being fewer shows and Cindy and I not able to travel as much as we used to, we really look forward to this event.  We'll be there with a new layout and trains to show and a few odds and ends for sale to "thin the herd" as usual. 


                                                                            It'll be nice to see a lot of old friends again and meet new ones.  Hope to see YOU there.  Stop by and say hello.


                                                                            Stumpy Stone in Eastern Ahia



                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76258 From: beebear Date: 5/6/2015
                                                                            Subject: Re: Spring S Spree

                                                                            Terry

                                                                             

                                                                            I hope you have some more goody’s I can remove from your possession, like the S truck I bought from you at the last Spree!!

                                                                            We will be going Saturday!! See you there!!

                                                                             

                                                                            John Frankforther

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                            Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 10:43 AM
                                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] Spring S Spree

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                            The Spring S Spree is just days away, and we'll be there as usual.  What surprises me is that there is so little talk or promotion of it  here on the S Trains Yahoo Group.  This has been a "mainstay" it what's happening in S for a LONG time!

                                                                             

                                                                            Are our numbers declining that fast?   Has Facebook taken over?  Is no one interested anymore?

                                                                             

                                                                            The Spree is generally one of the best and friendliest train shows we do every year.  In these times of there being fewer shows and Cindy and I not able to travel as much as we used to, we really look forward to this event.  We'll be there with a new layout and trains to show and a few odds and ends for sale to "thin the herd" as usual. 

                                                                             

                                                                            It'll be nice to see a lot of old friends again and meet new ones.  Hope to see YOU there.  Stop by and say hello.

                                                                             

                                                                            Stumpy Stone in Eastern Ahia




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                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76259 From: poniaj Date: 5/6/2015
                                                                            Subject: Re: Spring S Spree
                                                                            For what it's worth, I've been looking forward to the Spree as much as always. I plan on bringing a few models to display and a train or two to run on the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers layout.  Look for Thomas and Friends plus a nice NH EP-5 train.  The guys in the club are also bringing some nice items to run. 

                                                                            Looking forward to meeting old friends and puting a face to new ones who I've only met here on line.
                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76260 From: traindavid Date: 5/7/2015
                                                                            Subject: Spree, & lack of activity
                                                                            Stumpy has a good question(s),
                                                                            "Are our numbers declining that fast? Has Facebook taken over? Is no one
                                                                            interested anymore?"
                                                                            I've notice that Sunday Chat's are not well-attended (hey Stumpy, we've
                                                                            missed you!) anymore.
                                                                            Those of us who do show have a great time, and we occasionally talk about
                                                                            trains too! :)
                                                                            As to Facebook, well, since I'm on Dial-up, living in a canyon in the
                                                                            boonies, I can't go to Facebook--it usually just crashes, and if it doesn't
                                                                            it takes up to a half-hour to load. Fergit that!
                                                                            Is anyone still interested? I think so, at least the magazines are still
                                                                            printed, and the "major manufacturers" promise future production (although
                                                                            they have yet to deliver on previous production!). I am disappointed in
                                                                            MTH's decision to not release the new S catalog until the F units are out.
                                                                            IF the catalogs are done, why not tempt us with the offerings??
                                                                            So much is changing in our world, maybe the future of our hobby is even in
                                                                            question????
                                                                            What say the rest of y'all??
                                                                            S'incerely,
                                                                            David Dewey
                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76261 From: snstrains Date: 5/7/2015
                                                                            Subject: Re: Spree, & lack of activity
                                                                            So David, what's this chat thing you're talking about?  
                                                                             
                                                                            Steve Blackburn
                                                                            Boise, Idaho
                                                                             
                                                                            In a message dated 5/7/2015 1:25:56 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                             

                                                                            Stumpy has a good question(s),
                                                                            "Are our numbers declining that fast? Has Facebook taken over? Is no one
                                                                            interested anymore?"
                                                                            I've notice that Sunday Chat's are not well-attended (hey Stumpy, we've
                                                                            missed you!) anymore.
                                                                            Those of us who do show have a great time, and we occasionally talk about
                                                                            trains too! :)
                                                                            As to Facebook, well, since I'm on Dial-up, living in a canyon in the
                                                                            boonies, I can't go to Facebook--it usually just crashes, and if it doesn't
                                                                            it takes up to a half-hour to load. Fergit that!
                                                                            Is anyone still interested? I think so, at least the magazines are still
                                                                            printed, and the "major manufacturers" promise future production (although
                                                                            they have yet to deliver on previous production!). I am disappointed in
                                                                            MTH's decision to not release the new S catalog until the F units are out.
                                                                            IF the catalogs are done, why not tempt us with the offerings??
                                                                            So much is changing in our world, maybe the future of our hobby is even in
                                                                            question????
                                                                            What say the rest of y'all??
                                                                            S'incerely,
                                                                            David Dewey

                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76262 From: afjeff_56 Date: 5/8/2015
                                                                            Subject: Re: Spree, & lack of activity

                                                                            I believe that alot of it has to do with time... To me it just seem's like the days keep going by faster and faster! with work and all I can't find time for everything. Like you say David all is changing to dang fast...

                                                                             

                                                                             My two cents...  Jeff S......

                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76263 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 5/8/2015
                                                                            Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
                                                                            I’m not sure I know exactly to which “case” you refer, but I will relate my latest experience with LBR. Some months ago I thought I’d read on this forum that certain individuals had finally received a satisfactory response from LBR, and were no longer owed any parts. I assumed, apparently erroneously, that it would be safe to at least order decals from the firm, expecting them to be shipped from stock. I placed an order on Mar 3. Needless to say, after numerous emails and phone calls I have yet to receive the order, but my check was cashed weeks ago. I did get one email response in early April stating that my order had been found (I was never informed that it had been lost) and that it would be shipped the next Saturday. Now over a month later I have still not received any decals. So I can only say that in my experience LBR is up to their old tricks. This all is just a real shame, for they have what I feel are great products, but I will no longer be placing any orders because of their poor business practices. I have a letter to the Kentucky Attorney General in the works. I would be interested in anyone else's experiences, as maybe you all know something I don’t.
                                                                             
                                                                            Paflyrman
                                                                            Herb
                                                                             
                                                                            Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:33 PM
                                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
                                                                             
                                                                             

                                                                            

                                                                            any updates on the LBR case ?
                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76264 From: traindavid Date: 5/8/2015
                                                                            Subject: Re: Spree, & lack of activity
                                                                            Posted by: boss31@... snstrains
                                                                            Date: Thu May 7, 2015 1:34 pm ((PDT))


                                                                            So David, what's this chat thing you're talking about?




                                                                            Steve Blackburn
                                                                            Boise, Idaho


                                                                            For those that don't know, Steve's a regular at Chat.


                                                                            Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group


                                                                            Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT


                                                                            Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
                                                                            Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am
                                                                            Repeats: This event repeats every week.
                                                                            Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                            Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM
                                                                            **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76265 From: Mark Skertich Date: 5/8/2015
                                                                            Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
                                                                            MY EXPERIENCE WITH LBR

                                                                            In April 2014 I purchased a beautiful, unique Northern from LBR.  After some difficulty connecting the engine to the tender, it ran around the track once, and then completely died.  LBR agreed to repair the engine for me, and so I returned it for repairs.  After numerous e-mails over the next several months, in February 2015 Dave at LBR told me that the electronics were burned out because I connected the wires incorrectly.  OK--it's my fault.  "Send $100 and we'll repair it."  OK--I sent $100 in February and it's now May and I still don't have my Northern.
                                                                            EFFF them all!
                                                                            Mark
                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76266 From: edinboro67 Date: 5/8/2015
                                                                            Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
                                                                            MY EXPERIENCE WITH LBR

                                                                            In April 2014 I purchased a beautiful custom Northern from LBR.  After some difficulty connecting the tender to the locomotive, it ran around the track once and then died.  LBR agreed to repair the engine.  A few months later (July, 2014) I still hadn't heard from them.  More e-mails etc. until January 2015, at which time Dave told me that the damage was my fault for not connecting the wires correctly.  OK--no problem.  Send $100 and we'll repair it.  OK, so I sent in $100 and it's now May and I still haven't received the locomotive.  EF them all!
                                                                            Mark
                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76267 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/9/2015
                                                                            Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 10 May 2015
                                                                            Attachments :
                                                                              "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                              When
                                                                              Sunday, 10 May 2015
                                                                              05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                              (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                              Where
                                                                              http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                              Notes
                                                                              SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76268 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/10/2015
                                                                              Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 10 May 2015
                                                                              Attachments :
                                                                                "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                When
                                                                                Sunday, 10 May 2015
                                                                                05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                Where
                                                                                http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                Notes
                                                                                SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76269 From: rpuls3 Date: 5/11/2015
                                                                                Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post

                                                                                I have seen a lot of posting on the OGR Forum site for decals by LBR. I wonder if he will treat the O Gauge guys any better than he did us in S

                                                                                Ray

                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76270 From: rpuls3 Date: 5/11/2015
                                                                                Subject: scale wheels

                                                                                Mike, would you please email me your address, I found your brass scale wheels, they were with another project. Since we last communicated I had a computer crash and lost your address.

                                                                                Ray

                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76271 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/11/2015
                                                                                Subject: Spring Spree Sprung

                                                                                Another Spring S Spree has come and gone, and it was another good one.  Cindy and I enjoyed getting together with old friends, seeing what there was to see, and showing off our trains and layouts.  Lots of vendors were on hand, a few even had MTH S gauge products for sale.   There was LOTS of old Flyer, and it seemed that there were also more "scale" items available than before.  As usual, I managed to spend "too much money."  You'd think I'd have learned by now!


                                                                                This year our the logging themed mini-layout (only 34x48") was run, showing what can be done in little space and little money. The latest loco kit bash, a 4-6-0 "Ten Wheeler, did most of the honors over the two days of the show.  We managed to get a few extra chairs for visitors to take a rest and shoot the breeze, and they were usually all in use during the show.


                                                                                With all the problems we've had this winter, it was a great "vacation" for us, we needed some fun badly.  Thanks a lot to the Miami Valley gang for a great weekend, you did a good job.   We're looking forward to the next Dayton area Spree already!  And we'll be in Strongsville for the Spree next year for sure.


                                                                                Stumpy Stone in Eastern Ahia

                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76272 From: Neil MacDonald Date: 5/11/2015
                                                                                Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
                                                                                I also am experiencing some disappointing results since ordering from LBR. On April 18 I ordered a part from him and paid via pay pal. The order cleared the credit union promptly on the 20th. After 16 days passed  on May 4th I sent a note that I had not received the part that I had ordered. I immediately received a note back in bold with this message. "We will get right on that. Our new posting system may be to blame. Sorry. LBR." Well here it is May 9 and it still did not arrive in today's mail. So it seems the guy has plenty of time to be on the OGR forum almost daily advertising his products but no time I guess to fill the orders. I guess I may have to contact PayPal and try to get it resolved. Something is not right with this business. At least I'm not alone with this problem.

                                                                                Neil MacDonald
                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76273 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 5/11/2015
                                                                                Subject: LBR

                                                                                Everyone has been warned about the LBR fiasco and how He operates, yet you all continue to send him money. People really do only hear what they want to hear. A shame. Chris Burger

                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76274 From: Ray Puls Date: 5/11/2015
                                                                                Subject: LBR
                                                                                RE: LBR follow up post
                                                                                I subscribe to the OGR forum, looks as though LBR has changed their
                                                                                focus to the O gauge group, wonder if he will treat them any better than
                                                                                the S people.
                                                                                Ray
                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76275 From: bud9351 Date: 5/11/2015
                                                                                Subject: Looking for S Helper "scale" wheelsets
                                                                                Anyone here willing to part with the 33" scale wheelsets that were included in the box with S Helper freight cars? Have a friend looking for some.
                                                                                    Bud Rindfleisch


                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76276 From: Neil MacDonald Date: 5/11/2015
                                                                                Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
                                                                                I also am experiencing some disappointing results since ordering from LBR. On April 18 I ordered a part from him and paid via pay pal. The order cleared the credit union promptly on the 20th. After 16 days passed  on May 4th I sent a note that I had not received the part that I had ordered. I immediately received a note back in bold with this message. "We will get right on that. Our new posting system may be to blame. Sorry. LBR." Well here it is May 9 and it still did not arrive in today's mail. Something just doesn't seem right. The guy has plenty of time to be on the OGR forum almost daily advertising his products but no time I guess to fill the orders. I guess I may have to contact PayPal and try to get it resolved. Something is not right with this business. At least I'm not alone.

                                                                                Neil MacDonald
                                                                                Hermon Maine
                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76277 From: David McBrayer Date: 5/11/2015
                                                                                Subject: Re: Spring Spree Sprung
                                                                                Attachments :

                                                                                  Stumpy,

                                                                                  Are there any pictures of the “logging themed mini-layout” or other details?  If yes, please post a link. 

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Cheers,

                                                                                  Dave McBrayer

                                                                                   

                                                                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                  Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 05:31
                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] Spring Spree Sprung

                                                                                   

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Another Spring S Spree has come and gone, and it was another good one.  Cindy and I enjoyed getting together with old friends, seeing what there was to see, and showing off our trains and layouts.  Lots of vendors were on hand, a few even had MTH S gauge products for sale.   There was LOTS of old Flyer, and it seemed that there were also more "scale" items available than before.  As usual, I managed to spend "too much money."  You'd think I'd have learned by now!

                                                                                   

                                                                                  This year our the logging themed mini-layout (only 34x48") was run, showing what can be done in little space and little money. The latest loco kit bash, a 4-6-0 "Ten Wheeler, did most of the honors over the two days of the show.  We managed to get a few extra chairs for visitors to take a rest and shoot the breeze, and they were usually all in use during the show.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  With all the problems we've had this winter, it was a great "vacation" for us, we needed some fun badly.  Thanks a lot to the Miami Valley gang for a great weekend, you did a good job.   We're looking forward to the next Dayton area Spree already!  And we'll be in Strongsville for the Spree next year for sure.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Stumpy Stone in Eastern Ahia

                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76278 From: rudypenne Date: 5/11/2015
                                                                                  Subject: Re: LBR
                                                                                  Let the ORG followers know about LBR & the way he has treated us. STOP him before more people lose more $$$
                                                                                   
                                                                                  In a message dated 5/11/2015 11:45:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                   

                                                                                  RE: LBR follow up post
                                                                                  I subscribe to the OGR forum, looks as though LBR has changed their
                                                                                  focus to the O gauge group, wonder if he will treat them any better than
                                                                                  the S people.
                                                                                  Ray

                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76279 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 5/11/2015
                                                                                  Subject: Lack of people.

                                                                                  Maybe it's because when we post a response the post never gets posted because the truth is told about the group and the moderator deletes or disapproves the post.  Chris Burger



                                                                                  See previous post by Chris with moderator comments. Posts that are derogatory are rejected or if rejected by me, the poster receives an email comment. Remember, we as moderators have other things we like to do instead of being internet monitors. 


                                                                                  moserator

                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76280 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 5/11/2015
                                                                                  Subject: S Trains.
                                                                                  Hi David,
                                                                                   I do believe FB has taken over for the S-Groups.

                                                                                  (moderator comments in  italics)
                                                                                  Check our membership numbers and monthly growth

                                                                                   There are so many on FB along with you tube video groups.
                                                                                  Most of us became disenchanted with Yahoo when the in fighting occurred between the Scale and Hi Rail factions and the bullying that also went on.

                                                                                   That actually started while Paul owned the site and continued with whoever the next owner was, Paul divided the group into 2 groups. The bullying was stopped by your current moderators, but some wanted to keep it going and current moderators quit accepting posts that continued the issue when it was declared dead. Some went to the new Facebook and others dropped out completely

                                                                                   To be quite frank, there were a lot of miserable jerks on yahoo that should have been thrown out and weren't.

                                                                                  Paul did throw out several , but they kept coming back under different names and email addresses.

                                                                                   When Paul Yorke stop being moderator and sort of left the group it went down hill. 

                                                                                  For quite awhile, we didn't know who owned the S-Trains site. Finally found out, about a year ago, that the owner was now David Dewey and he was not aware that he was owner.

                                                                                  As far as Sunday Chat, I guess because of no talk about trains people dropped off. 

                                                                                  Anybody who wanted to talk trains is able to do so. Just speak up. Most of the time we have Steve Blackburn and David Dewey. Train knowledge is there and every week there is a great portion of chat talking trains. Don't be shy.

                                                                                  Just my thoughts. Anyone is welcome to join my group on FB called S-Helper Service/ American Models and other S Scale/S Gauge trains. Hope to see you there, or be square LOL! Chris

                                                                                  It is time to quit this type of comments for any of the sites. We are all here for the purpose of promoting our beloved S Gauge Trains, whether Toy Train type or Scale. Each site has its own definition. I am a Facebook member and read/ comment/like several posts on it. I enjoy watching the videos

                                                                                  As to LBR, he was given an opportunity to email or call me. Instead he went to another moderator and got shot down.

                                                                                  moderator
                                                                                  Ed Eckert
                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76281 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 5/12/2015
                                                                                  Subject: Re: scale wheels
                                                                                  Hi Ray,

                                                                                  My address is:
                                                                                  Mike Andrzejewski
                                                                                  11027 Cardinal Lane
                                                                                  Brecksville, Ohio  44141

                                                                                  Thanks for remembering!

                                                                                  This is really funny, I was just reading the S Scale OGR forum and I left you a comment about the RS11's.  Then I saw this email!  Coincidence!  Hope you can get one of them.  They look even better in person and they really run smoothly.

                                                                                  Mike 





                                                                                  From: "rpuls3@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                  Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 1:54 PM
                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] scale wheels

                                                                                   
                                                                                  Mike, would you please email me your address, I found your brass scale wheels, they were with another project. Since we last communicated I had a computer crash and lost your address.
                                                                                  Ray


                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76282 From: Donald Keil Date: 5/12/2015
                                                                                  Subject: Re: LBR
                                                                                  I have place (7)  small orders for parts over a two year time period and have never had a problem. I did not send any item to be repaired etc but had no problems. I even e mail and ask about a light system and got a answer in 24 hours and he talk me out of doing something because it could have been a problem. I know a individual who purchase one of his auction items and was very happy with the service. No I do not know him except for that one e mail, so not a personal friend. I live in Michigan. With all the problems that people have with him is it certain areas of his business that is a problem. Mine purchase were all standard items listed on his web page.
                                                                                  Don



                                                                                  On Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:16 AM, "anormal1@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                   
                                                                                  Let the ORG followers know about LBR & the way he has treated us. STOP him before more people lose more $$$
                                                                                   
                                                                                  In a message dated 5/11/2015 11:45:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                   
                                                                                  RE: LBR follow up post
                                                                                  I subscribe to the OGR forum, looks as though LBR has changed their
                                                                                  focus to the O gauge group, wonder if he will treat them any better than
                                                                                  the S people.
                                                                                  Ray


                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76283 From: poniaj Date: 5/12/2015
                                                                                  Subject: Re: S Trains.
                                                                                  I do not do Facebook or other "social media" sites.  Let's face it, there's only so much time in a day, and even though Yahoo's current site had problems on its roll-out, it seems OK now.  If I spent more time on this computer, NOTHING would get done around my house!  It's not "train season" around here any more, and the list of things to do has "play with trains" (yes, play) at its very bottom.  Geez, these beloved trains of ours are toys, in spite of all those who profess that they are more than that, and the fact that some of them cost more than my first car.  And the word is indeed "play".  Very few of us make a living from our trains, and they don't provide most of us a path to financial success.  But  I enjoy helping others with ANY S train problems and love sharing their photos and successes. 

                                                                                  That being said, I would severely miss NOT having them in my life.  They've been a part of me since I was 8 years old.  They can be fun and frustrating.  Educational and unnerving.  A great way to smooth out stress and a way to foster it.  It is and has been a great hobby, and will be until I cannot do it any more.  It's become a part of me, and just as likely, a part of most of us here.  We can be passionate about things in life, but have to keep things in perspective. 

                                                                                  So Chris, and many others out there, there may come a day when I can join your FB group, and I'm sure I'll enjoy it.  However, for now this will have to do.  The whole S community has a common theme, in spite of the differences professed.  NASG's logo has a pair of couplers with the word "UNITED" beneath it.  Some folks emphasize our differences, but I prefer to emphasize our similarities.  Going off in a multitude of directions will not further our cause.  Imagine what can be accomplished if we all pull together.

                                                                                  I've already spent more time today than I should online.  The nice weather calls, and after the Winter we've had here in Michigan, I need to get on to other things.... until it starts raining again.  ;>)

                                                                                  My two cents...

                                                                                  Jerry Poniatowski
                                                                                  Wayne, MI
                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76284 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/12/2015
                                                                                  Subject: Spring S Spree

                                                                                  You can find the layout on my website at  http://stonerails.weebly.com which shows some of my antics in different scales.  It is the second layout under the" S Layouts" heading.


                                                                                  Plans are already advancing on building a brand new layout to be ready for next year's Spree.


                                                                                  Stumpy in Ahia (still catching up from the weekend)

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76285 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 5/12/2015
                                                                                  Subject: Re: LBR


                                                                                  I have never dealt with LBR so I am not qualified to say one way or another about them. but I can praise the 3 dealers with whom I have dealt with. I can not say enough praises to Jim King of Smoky Mountain Model Works Jeff Wilson of Hoquat Hobbies and Dan Navarre of River Raisin. I have purchased from each of these gentlemen and have always had first class service and even a few jokes when we were up to our you-know-what in snow this past winter. I had placed orders with Jim and Jeff and was fully intending to send a payment to each the 1st of this month but unfortunately our daughter and son-in-law were in an accident and ended up in the hospital and it was grandparents to the rescue until mom and dad got out of the hospital. Thank the good lord the kids were at the sitters and were not in the car. Another point is thankfully there were no life threatening injuries but broken bones are bad enough. The car was totaled but those can be replaced....lives can not.

                                                                                    When I explained to both Jim and Jeff that I would be delayed in sending my payment and why they were both very understanding. These are truly 2 greats in this hobby.

                                                                                                                                                       Bob Lampe

                                                                                                                                                       Kalisapell, MT

                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76286 From: rudypenne Date: 5/12/2015
                                                                                  Subject: Re: PAINT MATCH
                                                                                   I'm asking this question for another group member;
                                                                                  Group member John Ripberger is searching for paints manufactured today that match the original Flyer colors. In particular, he is searching for the red, green and white for the Guilford Station. What I would like to propose, is to create a cross-reference chart of original Flyer colors matched up to colors of paints that can be purchased today at local hardware, auto, hobby and discount retailers. If everyone who has found a good match to any original Flyer color would submit it here, I'll gladly create the chart and post it in the files section for reference.
                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76287 From: Anthony Cynor Date: 5/12/2015
                                                                                  Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
                                                                                  Are we Talking About LBR Enterprises at 12111 Spring Meadow Lane in
                                                                                  Goshen, Ky or the one in Virginia?


                                                                                  White house at the corner at Spring Meadow Lane and Club Drive. Appears
                                                                                  to be a no sidewalk suburban environment.


                                                                                  Tony Cynor
                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76288 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/13/2015
                                                                                  Subject: estate sales, Wednesday, 13 May 2015
                                                                                  Attachments :
                                                                                    "estate sales" reminder
                                                                                    When
                                                                                    Wednesday, 13 May 2015
                                                                                    06:00 PM to 06:30 PM
                                                                                    (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                    Where
                                                                                    lake and kinsington
                                                                                    From
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                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76289 From: americanflyer Date: 5/14/2015
                                                                                    Subject: Re: PAINT MATCH
                                                                                    Hi please contact Doug peck of portlines he has the accessory green and some other colors I have repainted several accessories and they came out fantastic and color match can't tell apart stan


                                                                                    Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone


                                                                                    -------- Original message --------
                                                                                    From: "anormal1@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                    Date:05/12/2015 4:33 PM (GMT-05:00)
                                                                                    To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                    Subject: [S-Trains] RE: PAINT MATCH

                                                                                     

                                                                                     I'm asking this question for another group member;
                                                                                    Group member John Ripberger is searching for paints manufactured today that match the original Flyer colors. In particular, he is searching for the red, green and white for the Guilford Station. What I would like to propose, is to create a cross-reference chart of original Flyer colors matched up to colors of paints that can be purchased today at local hardware, auto, hobby and discount retailers. If everyone who has found a good match to any original Flyer color would submit it here, I'll gladly create the chart and post it in the files section for reference.

                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76290 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 5/14/2015
                                                                                    Subject: Train crash question?
                                                                                    Lionel and American Flyer use hi rail wheels for tight curves. I believe the scale speed can be 150 MPH.


                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76291 From: snstrains Date: 5/15/2015
                                                                                    Subject: Re: PAINT MATCH
                                                                                    Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobby has some very good matches of Gilbert colors.
                                                                                     
                                                                                    Steve Blackburn
                                                                                    Boise, Idaho
                                                                                     
                                                                                    In a message dated 5/12/2015 6:28:07 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                     

                                                                                     I'm asking this question for another group member;
                                                                                    Group member John Ripberger is searching for paints manufactured today that match the original Flyer colors. In particular, he is searching for the red, green and white for the Guilford Station. What I would like to propose, is to create a cross-reference chart of original Flyer colors matched up to colors of paints that can be purchased today at local hardware, auto, hobby and discount retailers. If everyone who has found a good match to any original Flyer color would submit it here, I'll gladly create the chart and post it in the files section for reference.

                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76292 From: racin510 Date: 5/15/2015
                                                                                    Subject: Re: PAINT MATCH
                                                                                    Finally someone doing this!  I have several colors to add once I dig up my notes. It will be interesting to see how many of our choices march up with each other not to mention with ACG.
                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76293 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/15/2015
                                                                                    Subject: Train Crash Question

                                                                                    James, you are quite correct.  In real life, wheel flanges are remarkably small and the actual wheel-rail contact point is very small.  Considering that trains have to make contact with steel wheels on steel rails, I'm amazed that they work at all!  


                                                                                    To expand upon this, how does anyone expect model trains to work reliably since in scale, the contact point and wheel flanges are ridiculously small?   


                                                                                    If you compare the number of derailments of real trains or HO trains with those of American Flyer or Lionel, you might find that those "toy" trains are better engineered along these lines as it takes extremely rough handling or incredibly excessive speed to throw them off the track!  To get "toy" train crash numbers up to those of real trains or their scale counterparts often requires crashes to be staged by children!


                                                                                    Therefore, we may conclude that real trains suffer from an engineering error of making wheel flanges far too small, and that Gilbert was right all along!    Certainly the Federal Railroad Administration and the National Transportation Safety Board is aware of this, so why are real trains still operating with this horrendous engineering fault?


                                                                                    By the way, I have some stock in Consolidated Buggy Whip Company for sale.....


                                                                                    Stumpy in Ahia   ;-)



                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76294 From: Wayne Zebron Date: 5/15/2015
                                                                                    Subject: GRCX Tank Cars
                                                                                      HI,
                                                                                    I have several GRCX tank cars I would like to repaint.  Some have one screw which attaches the tank to frame. Others do not have the screw but seemed to be pressed in place.  I have tried to apply pressure but am afraid I will break the frame.  Any help on how to remove without any major damage?  Thanks for any help.

                                                                                    Wayne
                                                                                     
                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76295 From: Frank Emiro Date: 5/15/2015
                                                                                    Subject: Re: Train Crash Question
                                                                                    Amtrak should have spoke with AC Gilbert and JL Cowan. 

                                                                                    Sent from my iPhone

                                                                                    On May 15, 2015, at 7:02 AM, "mrstumpy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                     

                                                                                    James, you are quite correct.  In real life, wheel flanges are remarkably small and the actual wheel-rail contact point is very small.  Considering that trains have to make contact with steel wheels on steel rails, I'm amazed that they work at all!  


                                                                                    To expand upon this, how does anyone expect model trains to work reliably since in scale, the contact point and wheel flanges are ridiculously small?   


                                                                                    If you compare the number of derailments of real trains or HO trains with those of American Flyer or Lionel, you might find that those "toy" trains are better engineered along these lines as it takes extremely rough handling or incredibly excessive speed to throw them off the track!  To get "toy" train crash numbers up to those of real trains or their scale counterparts often requires crashes to be staged by children!


                                                                                    Therefore, we may conclude that real trains suffer from an engineering error of making wheel flanges far too small, and that Gilbert was right all along!    Certainly the Federal Railroad Administration and the National Transportation Safety Board is aware of this, so why are real trains still operating with this horrendous engineering fault?


                                                                                    By the way, I have some stock in Consolidated Buggy Whip Company for sale.....


                                                                                    Stumpy in Ahia   ;-)



                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76296 From: americanflyer Date: 5/15/2015
                                                                                    Subject: Re: PAINT MATCH
                                                                                    Hi did anyone contact Doug peck at portlines he has many of the colors I have purchased accessory green red and silver as well as the yellow from him you should contact him stan


                                                                                    Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone


                                                                                    -------- Original message --------
                                                                                    From: "racin510@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                    Date:05/15/2015 3:33 AM (GMT-05:00)
                                                                                    To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                    Subject: [S-Trains] RE: PAINT MATCH

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Finally someone doing this!  I have several colors to add once I dig up my notes. It will be interesting to see how many of our choices march up with each other not to mention with ACG.

                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76297 From: rudypenne Date: 5/15/2015
                                                                                    Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
                                                                                    KY. It wouldn't surprise me if it was a vacant lot. Mike, Burned once in Ore.
                                                                                     
                                                                                    In a message dated 5/12/2015 5:28:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                     

                                                                                    Are we Talking About LBR Enterprises at 12111 Spring Meadow Lane in
                                                                                    Goshen, Ky or the one in Virginia?

                                                                                    White house at the corner at Spring Meadow Lane and Club Drive. Appears
                                                                                    to be a no sidewalk suburban environment.

                                                                                    Tony Cynor

                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76298 From: alan Date: 5/16/2015
                                                                                    Subject: Re: GRCX Tank Cars
                                                                                     Wayne,

                                                                                     The tanks have the nub on each end of the tank that snap in place thru the frame. The nubs has a small notch to anchor the tank to the frame once they snap thru.  You can carefully spread  the frame adjacent to the nubs and the tank will release.
                                                                                     
                                                                                     Removing the stickers or the tank emblem can be achieved  several ways .  Soak the car in "Simple Green" cleaner.   - "Oven Off"  will work --  IF U want to strip all the paint off. -- Denatured alcohol on a rag will remove the letters, etc. 
                                                                                     "Goo gone" will remove the stickers with a little work.

                                                                                    Old Al in Hamilton


                                                                                    On May 15, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Wayne Zebron zebbie61354@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                                     

                                                                                      HI,
                                                                                    I have several GRCX tank cars I would like to repaint.  Some have one screw which attaches the tank to frame. Others do not have the screw but seemed to be pressed in place.  I have tried to apply pressure but am afraid I will break the frame.  Any help on how to remove without any major damage?  Thanks for any help.

                                                                                    Wayne
                                                                                     


                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76299 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 5/16/2015
                                                                                    Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
                                                                                    My decal order from LBR, which I sent on Mar 3rd, arrived April 13. A little better communication and faster delivery would have been nice, but nothing wrong with the product.
                                                                                     
                                                                                    Paflyrman
                                                                                    Herb
                                                                                     
                                                                                     
                                                                                     
                                                                                    Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 8:58 PM
                                                                                    Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
                                                                                     
                                                                                     

                                                                                    KY. It wouldn't surprise me if it was a vacant lot. Mike, Burned once in Ore.
                                                                                     
                                                                                    In a message dated 5/12/2015 5:28:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                     

                                                                                    Are we Talking About LBR Enterprises at 12111 Spring Meadow Lane in
                                                                                    Goshen, Ky or the one in Virginia?

                                                                                    White house at the corner at Spring Meadow Lane and Club Drive. Appears
                                                                                    to be a no sidewalk suburban environment.

                                                                                    Tony Cynor

                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76300 From: racin510 Date: 5/16/2015
                                                                                    Subject: Re: PAINT MATCH
                                                                                    The point is: What close colors can be had at local suppliers.

                                                                                    I can input:

                                                                                    For ACG pea green use Krylon 2927 Fern Helecho. Also Valspar Satin Tropic Foliage.
                                                                                    For Diesel locomotives use Krylon "Special Purpose" 1403 "Dull Aluminum". This is the only real silver I can find any more. All others are metalic. Do not clear coat.
                                                                                    For diesel [960's] coaches use Krylon "Rust Tough" 9213 Aluminum. It's just a little brighter than original.
                                                                                    For my Rocket diesels use Rust-Oleum 'Special Plastic' Dark Hunter Green.
                                                                                    For "Tuscan" brown use Zero Rust 60SP Red.
                                                                                    For accessoriey silver use Krylon RTA 9213 Aluminum or HD 980 Aluminum.
                                                                                    For accessory red use Krylon 2108 Banner Red.
                                                                                    Accessory/freight car yellow use Hammerite 42215 smooth bright yellow [bridge or crane shed, auto unloading car etc]
                                                                                    For green accessory base any Kelly Green.
                                                                                    For steam locomotives: 3 coats of semi flat black [HD 927; Krylon 'Color Master' 53565] followed by 2 coats Krylon Acrylic Flat Clear 53530.

                                                                                    Hope this gets us started.
                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76301 From: acgilbertguy Date: 5/16/2015
                                                                                    Subject: Chimney for AF #50 District School

                                                                                    I have found both wood and plastic reproduction chimneys from AF parts dealers for the AF #50 District School.  Which is correct, or did they come from the factory either way?    Any of you folks know?


                                                                                    Thanks,

                                                                                    Rich

                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76302 From: alan Date: 5/16/2015
                                                                                    Subject: Re: Chimney for AF #50 District School
                                                                                     Check with Doug Peck - He has some of the best Repro / Replacement chimneys on the market for the #50 school.

                                                                                     Ohio  Alan
                                                                                    On May 16, 2015, at 5:28 PM, milepost407@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                                     

                                                                                    I have found both wood and plastic reproduction chimneys from AF parts dealers for the AF #50 District School.  Which is correct, or did they come from the factory either way?    Any of you folks know?


                                                                                    Thanks,

                                                                                    Rich



                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76303 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/16/2015
                                                                                    Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 17 May 2015
                                                                                    Attachments :
                                                                                      "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                      When
                                                                                      Sunday, 17 May 2015
                                                                                      05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                      (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                      Where
                                                                                      http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                      Notes
                                                                                      SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76304 From: Ron Inscho Date: 5/16/2015
                                                                                      Subject: Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
                                                                                      
                                                                                       
                                                                                      Well at least You got your stuff , Been over a year and a half & no stuff & He still has My dough .
                                                                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                      Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 9:10 AM
                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: LBR Follow-Up Post

                                                                                       

                                                                                      My decal order from LBR, which I sent on Mar 3rd, arrived April 13. A little better communication and faster delivery would have been nice, but nothing wrong with the product.
                                                                                       
                                                                                      Paflyrman
                                                                                      Herb
                                                                                       
                                                                                       
                                                                                       
                                                                                      Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 8:58 PM
                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: LBR Follow-Up Post
                                                                                       
                                                                                       

                                                                                      KY. It wouldn't surprise me if it was a vacant lot. Mike, Burned once in Ore.
                                                                                       
                                                                                      In a message dated 5/12/2015 5:28:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                       

                                                                                      Are we Talking About LBR Enterprises at 12111 Spring Meadow Lane in
                                                                                      Goshen, Ky or the one in Virginia?

                                                                                      White house at the corner at Spring Meadow Lane and Club Drive. Appears
                                                                                      to be a no sidewalk suburban environment.

                                                                                      Tony Cynor

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                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76305 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/17/2015
                                                                                      Subject: Re: LBR follow up

                                                                                      Guys, I've been following this conversation with interest, and I don't mean to deride or defend Dave at LBR.  My contact with him has been good, even a few phone conversations back when he started the business.  However, my read of him is that he is a talented and creative maker of things, always interested in coming up with new stuff.  But I also feel that he's somewhat disorganized and a poor business man.  I suspect he's a "one man show" overwhelmed by the business.  Not a crook, but someone with too many balls in the air.


                                                                                      For a long time, he has rebuilt and customized locomotives for sale on eBay, which may be his prime interest.  I don't think that he manufactures all the items listed on his sight, but has connections with people who can do such things. This might have begun to get parts he needs for his own projects and he discovered there was a market for these part with others.   "Production runs" are probably very small, and money is tight, which may be why so much goes "out of stock" of many items.  He then loses track of who wants what.


                                                                                      These comments are merely a somewhat "educated" guess of course.  Take your own appropriate steps in such circumstances.


                                                                                      Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76306 From: acgilbertguy Date: 5/17/2015
                                                                                      Subject: Chimney on AF #50 District School...Wood or Plastic?

                                                                                      Were the original chimneys on the AF #50 District School wood or plastic?  Or did they come both ways, depending on year of manufacture?


                                                                                      Alan, thanks for you input on Doug Peck's repro chimneys.


                                                                                      Rich

                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76307 From: alan Date: 5/17/2015
                                                                                      Subject: Steel Hi rail trucks
                                                                                      To all,


                                                                                      Check these out for Hi rail ----- (4) spring for most rolling stock
                                                                                      - -------- (6) spring for Gondolas, Flats and 650 passenger cars, etc.


                                                                                      Hamilton Alan
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                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76308 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/17/2015
                                                                                      Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 17 May 2015
                                                                                      Attachments :
                                                                                        "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                        When
                                                                                        Sunday, 17 May 2015
                                                                                        05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                        (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                        Where
                                                                                        http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                        Notes
                                                                                        SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76309 From: alan Date: 5/17/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: LBR follow up
                                                                                          Guys, I side with Stumpy -- I've had many dealing with LBR .  He is indeed a talented & creative fellow. He must wake up every morning with a new idea and start trying to create the idea.  I think his creative  juices  may get in the way of filling orders and    
                                                                                          follow -up items.  He is a little forgetful  - But Hey, at our age who isn't.  He has created many special decals for my custom projects and I'm always thankful for his service. He even shows some of my items 
                                                                                          on his site and buys my Ficus trucks and other items for his Flyer projects. 

                                                                                         I don't know what happens to orders from other folks.  Sorry for those that are having a problem.  
                                                                                         
                                                                                          Best regards,
                                                                                         Hamilton, Oh  Alan



                                                                                        On May 17, 2015, at 11:06 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                                         

                                                                                        Guys, I've been following this conversation with interest, and I don't mean to deride or defend Dave at LBR.  My contact with him has been good, even a few phone conversations back when he started the business.  However, my read of him is that he is a talented and creative maker of things, always interested in coming up with new stuff.  But I also feel that he's somewhat disorganized and a poor business man.  I suspect he's a "one man show" overwhelmed by the business.  Not a crook, but someone with too many balls in the air.


                                                                                        For a long time, he has rebuilt and customized locomotives for sale on eBay, which may be his prime interest.  I don't think that he manufactures all the items listed on his sight, but has connections with people who can do such things. This might have begun to get parts he needs for his own projects and he discovered there was a market for these part with others.   "Production runs" are probably very small, and money is tight, which may be why so much goes "out of stock" of many items.  He then loses track of who wants what.


                                                                                        These comments are merely a somewhat "educated" guess of course.  Take your own appropriate steps in such circumstances.


                                                                                        Stumpy in Ahia



                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76310 From: snstrains Date: 5/17/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: LBR follow up
                                                                                        And, I second Stumpy's accounting of LBR.
                                                                                        Steve
                                                                                        SnS Trains....Boise
                                                                                         
                                                                                        In a message dated 5/17/2015 12:02:06 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                         

                                                                                        Guys, I've been following this conversation with interest, and I don't mean to deride or defend Dave at LBR.  My contact with him has been good, even a few phone conversations back when he started the business.  However, my read of him is that he is a talented and creative maker of things, always interested in coming up with new stuff.  But I also feel that he's somewhat disorganized and a poor business man.  I suspect he's a "one man show" overwhelmed by the business.  Not a crook, but someone with too many balls in the air.


                                                                                        For a long time, he has rebuilt and customized locomotives for sale on eBay, which may be his prime interest.  I don't think that he manufactures all the items listed on his sight, but has connections with people who can do such things. This might have begun to get parts he needs for his own projects and he dis covered there was a market for these part with others.   "Production runs" are probably very small, and money is tight, which may be why so much goes "out of stock" of many items.  He then loses track of who wants what.


                                                                                        These comments are merely a somewhat "educated" guess of course.  Take your own appropriate steps in such circumstances.


                                                                                        Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76311 From: racin510 Date: 5/17/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: LBR follow up
                                                                                        I would also agree. Just another case of a small business person way over extending capabilities. It's easy to get carried away and start living in fantasy land when something you create is going well. Many fall into this trap,  fail to keep it real, over extend and usually loose everything.
                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76312 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/18/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: Chimney on AF #50 District School...Wood or Plastic?

                                                                                        <<< Were the original chimneys on the AF #50 District School wood or plastic? Or did they come both ways, depending on year of manufacture?

                                                                                        >>>

                                                                                         

                                                                                        My repro chimneys were made from the original chimney on the Schoolhouse in my personal collection. They are plastic. My repros are not 100% identical, but quite close, and they are unpainted red plastic. To be accurate, one needs to paint them the same color as the walls of the schoolhouse (dark maroon)…..at least that’s the color of my original.

                                                                                        I have seen wood chimneys, but I don’t THINK originals were ever wood……not 100% sure of that, however. I think they are just inexpensive substitutes. And the ones I’ve seen do not have the hollowed-out top.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        Doug Peck
                                                                                        Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                                                                        6 Storeybrooke Drive
                                                                                        Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                                                                        doug@...
                                                                                        www.portlines.com
                                                                                        Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only.
                                                                                        978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
                                                                                        1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
                                                                                        VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76313 From: Ron Inscho Date: 5/18/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: LBR follow up
                                                                                        
                                                                                        OK what should I / We do ? I ordered over $200.00 worth of stuff over a year and a half ago , when he did comunicate it was all lies & said stuff was on the way , now he will not respond , won't answer phone calls Ky. atty gen. has been of almost no help ? Maybe We should charter a trip & go find him ?

                                                                                         

                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76314 From: Ray Puls Date: 5/18/2015
                                                                                        Subject: LBR follow up
                                                                                        Stumpy,
                                                                                        I also have to hesitantly agree with you, I had orders with LBR, one for
                                                                                        the all wheel pick-up conversion. It was out for over a year, when I
                                                                                        would question them about the progress I would get answers that I think
                                                                                        might have been stalling tactics because things did not work as planned.
                                                                                        When I stopped getting replies from him it made me wonder what was going
                                                                                        on. It turns out that idea did not work out as planned, I would have
                                                                                        preferred an explanation telling me that. But getting no reply what was
                                                                                        I or others here to think, just being upfront and honest would have been
                                                                                        a better way for him to handle the situation. I did continue to try
                                                                                        contacting him and eventually got my parts back and I have I hope
                                                                                        resolved a decal order with him. I will not say that I would never deal
                                                                                        with him again because LBR has many things on his website that are
                                                                                        desirable, things that will dress up the Gilbert American Flyer engines,
                                                                                        I would be cautious though and not make a large order because of my past
                                                                                        history with him.
                                                                                        Ray
                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76315 From: traindavid Date: 5/18/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: LBR follow up-being in Biz in an internet world
                                                                                        I have had no dealings with LBR, I am a bit surprised at Alan's posting, as
                                                                                        I thought FICUS products and LBR were one & the same. Too many players!
                                                                                        Just thought I'd mention my experience at trying my hand in the mail-order
                                                                                        train biz. Now, I come from about 3 generations of self-employment--on both
                                                                                        sides of the family, too, so independent thinking runs high in the family
                                                                                        genes. Right now my main employment is tuning pianos and repairing player
                                                                                        pianos. The player side tends to be behind a bit, as I am somewhat unique in
                                                                                        the area, so work piles up, and I don't charge enough to make much on it
                                                                                        (but on the other hand, if I charged "real world" prices like an auto
                                                                                        mechanic, there'd be no call for the work!) . Right now I have about 3
                                                                                        customers waiting for space in my shop to do their pianos. I also considered
                                                                                        doing mail-order toy train repairs, as I used to do that as a side thing to
                                                                                        make money to spend on trains, back when the economy was better & I had a
                                                                                        regular job & there were lots of trains shows around here so I could "hand
                                                                                        deliver" my repairs. Now none of that applies, so I thought I'd try the
                                                                                        mail-order repair biz. I had a "test case" of a gentleman clean across the
                                                                                        country needing many repairs. While I could do the repairs with few
                                                                                        problems, when I'd ship them back the post office, or whomever I chose to
                                                                                        use, apparently used the boxes for a game of touch football--hmm, maybe I
                                                                                        shouldn't say touch--more likely toss and slam. Carefully wrapped
                                                                                        locomotives would arrive with broken pilots, tender steps bent, etc. One
                                                                                        time the chassis front mounts were sheered off--I figured the locomotive box
                                                                                        was dropped on it's nose from about ten feet. Even the boxes arriving here
                                                                                        were usually damaged--or if they weren't, the trains inside were! (More than
                                                                                        once a box with all the corners smashed had un-damaged trains inside, but
                                                                                        the perfect-looking box had bashed-up stuff inside???!!!!)
                                                                                        Now when I started this, I was still working and found out two things--time
                                                                                        for working on the trains was limited, and second, my workspace wasn't set
                                                                                        up for such production work--I spent far too much time looking for the right
                                                                                        tool or the right parts ( I know I have extra wheels, now where are
                                                                                        they???). What one needed was an office space devoted to just train repairs.
                                                                                        Well, I have such a space for player piano work, but it doesn't share well
                                                                                        with toy train work--two usually different technologies--except recovering
                                                                                        smoke unit bellows, which is actually, the same thing!
                                                                                        I was very grateful for the Gentleman's patience with my work times and slow
                                                                                        delivery times. I actually have few more parts-donors I hope to assemble
                                                                                        and send him--with very thick packaging--the last time we succeeded in
                                                                                        thwarting the shipping gorillas was by using two boxes with packing between
                                                                                        them. I had tried foam packing, and it didn't work either--what I needed was
                                                                                        pre-molded stuff like the manufacturer's use--there's a reason the new stuff
                                                                                        fits so tightly in it's packaging! This "test case" taught me that I was NOT
                                                                                        going to go into the mail-order repair biz! OTOH, I MIGHT consider going
                                                                                        into the wholesale smoke unit bellows recovering biz, if any of the "major
                                                                                        players" is looking for someone to do that (hint hint, if you're reading
                                                                                        this). As I have all the same glues and materials that ACG used on hand,
                                                                                        that would be a simple thing to set up to do on my player repair bench! I'm
                                                                                        thinking here of the KISS philosophy, "Keep It Simple, Stupid! (The Stupid
                                                                                        being ME!).
                                                                                        Maybe LBR's situation is one where he needs a second person who's only job
                                                                                        is to take care of customers and product inventory? When you get a poor
                                                                                        reputation, it's a real uphill battle to change it. Running such a biz
                                                                                        requires strict attention to details and careful organizing, which most
                                                                                        creative folks don't do well!
                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76316 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 5/18/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: LBR follow up


                                                                                        Ron,

                                                                                          I am astounded that you can get no help from the KY Attorney General's office. Last year I had a problem with a firm in North Carolina not sending my order after a few months then lying and telling me it took several days for my check to clear which I knew was a lie since I had sent a money order. I contacted the NC Attorney general and within a couple weeks had my order......which by the way was not as I expected. But at least I got it. The only thing I could suggest would be a follow-up email to the KY Attorney General's office reminding them of your first email and that you had been ripped off and want satisfaction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bob Lampe

                                                                                                                                                                                                   Kalsipell, MT

                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76317 From: alan Date: 5/18/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: LBR follow up-being in Biz in an internet world
                                                                                          Interesting response  - I can't make any comment Why things go haywire with LBR - But he has always treated Me very fair !

                                                                                         As far as Ficus Products is concerned - I'm retired after working 45 years in the machine tool industry. Started out sweeping the floor and working my way up to running three different departments at the same time.  My first Flyer was a 312 SIT and one of the last Xmas presents from my Father who died May 1st 1953. At the time he was Chief of Police in a little town of Cleves, Ohio  Prior to that he served with the FBI. and also served in WWI.  I'm now 73 do the math - DAD died when I was 10. 

                                                                                        Since retiring I make several things for our beloved Flyers -- "The Real Model Train".   Also member in good standing with the MVSG'er club.

                                                                                        If U want to check my feedback on Ebay look up Clydel41

                                                                                         Long Live the American Flyer. The old engines have lasted 6o plus years the new stuff will be in the trash can long before that time.

                                                                                         Life is not always a "Bowl Cherries" ! 

                                                                                        Cheers,
                                                                                        Alan

                                                                                        On May 18, 2015, at 2:02 PM, djdewey@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                                         

                                                                                        I have had no dealings with LBR, I am a bit surprised at Alan's posting, as
                                                                                        I thought FICUS products and LBR were one & the same. Too many players!
                                                                                        Just thought I'd mention my experience at trying my hand in the mail-order
                                                                                        train biz. Now, I come from about 3 generations of self-employment--on both
                                                                                        sides of the family, too, so independent thinking runs high in the family
                                                                                        genes. Right now my main employment is tuning pianos and repairing player
                                                                                        pianos. The player side tends to be behind a bit, as I am somewhat unique in
                                                                                        the area, so work piles up, and I don't charge enough to make much on it
                                                                                        (but on the other hand, if I charged "real world" prices like an auto
                                                                                        mechanic, there'd be no call for the work!) . Right now I have about 3
                                                                                        customers waiting for space in my shop to do their pianos. I also considered
                                                                                        doing mail-order toy train repairs, as I used to do that as a side thing to
                                                                                        make money to spend on trains, back when the economy was better & I had a
                                                                                        regular job & there were lots of trains shows around here so I could "hand
                                                                                        deliver" my repairs. Now none of that applies, so I thought I'd try the
                                                                                        mail-order repair biz. I had a "test case" of a gentleman clean across the
                                                                                        country needing many repairs. While I could do the repairs with few
                                                                                        problems, when I'd ship them back the post office, or whomever I chose to
                                                                                        use, apparently used the boxes for a game of touch football--hmm, maybe I
                                                                                        shouldn't say touch--more likely toss and slam. Carefully wrapped
                                                                                        locomotives would arrive with broken pilots, tender steps bent, etc. One
                                                                                        time the chassis front mounts were sheered off--I figured the locomotive box
                                                                                        was dropped on it's nose from about ten feet. Even the boxes arriving here
                                                                                        were usually damaged--or if they weren't, the trains inside were! (More than
                                                                                        once a box with all the corners smashed had un-damaged trains inside, but
                                                                                        the perfect-looking box had bashed-up stuff inside???!!!!)
                                                                                        Now when I started this, I was still working and found out two things--time
                                                                                        for working on the trains was limited, and second, my workspace wasn't set
                                                                                        up for such production work--I spent far too much time looking for the right
                                                                                        tool or the right parts ( I know I have extra wheels, now where are
                                                                                        they???). What one needed was an office space devoted to just train repairs.
                                                                                        Well, I have such a space for player piano work, but it doesn't share well
                                                                                        with toy train work--two usually different technologies--except recovering
                                                                                        smoke unit bellows, which is actually, the same thing!
                                                                                        I was very grateful for the Gentleman's patience with my work times and slow
                                                                                        delivery times. I actually have few more parts-donors I hope to assemble
                                                                                        and send him--with very thick packaging--the last time we succeeded in
                                                                                        thwarting the shipping gorillas was by using two boxes with packing between
                                                                                        them. I had tried foam packing, and it didn't work either--what I needed was
                                                                                        pre-molded stuff like the manufacturer's use--there's a reason the new stuff
                                                                                        fits so tightly in it's packaging! This "test case" taught me that I was NOT
                                                                                        going to go into the mail-order repair biz! OTOH, I MIGHT consider going
                                                                                        into the wholesale smoke unit bellows recovering biz, if any of the "major
                                                                                        players" is looking for someone to do that (hint hint, if you're reading
                                                                                        this). As I have all the same glues and materials that ACG used on hand,
                                                                                        that would be a simple thing to set up to do on my player repair bench! I'm
                                                                                        thinking here of the KISS philosophy, "Keep It Simple, Stupid! (The Stupid
                                                                                        being ME!).
                                                                                        Maybe LBR's situation is one where he needs a second person who's only job
                                                                                        is to take care of customers and product inventory? When you get a poor
                                                                                        reputation, it's a real uphill battle to change it. Running such a biz
                                                                                        requires strict attention to details and careful organizing, which most
                                                                                        creative folks don't do well!


                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76318 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 5/18/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 17 May 2015
                                                                                        Wow, as many people as there are that have lost money to LBR and you are all defending his ways. Obviously you are the few who have not lost money doing business with LBR. When will you all wake up? I don't understand how you keep defending this type of business. Oh well, Buyer beware! Chris Burger
                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76319 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/18/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: LBR follow up

                                                                                        I've explained what I think is the problem, but I will not get sucked into this problem..  What YOU do under your circumstances is up to YOU.  


                                                                                        Stumpy in Ahia 

                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76320 From: acgilbertguy Date: 5/18/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: Chimney on AF #50 District School...Wood or Plastic?




                                                                                        Thanks Doug for the information.  I now know for sure that they came with plastic chimneys and doubt there were any originals in wood.


                                                                                        Rich

                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76321 From: racin510 Date: 5/19/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: LBR follow up-being in Biz in an internet world
                                                                                        A little long winded there, and there is much better material and glue available for making bellows now than when Gilbert was in business.

                                                                                        As far as someone saying that some of us are "defending" Dave [LBR], that's not true of me. I simply understand what it takes to operate a small business and feel that he doesn't have it. He has produced some good parts for S scale and at one time he would communicate. Putting all the feed back together, one must conclude that he got in over his head and created a 'customer be damned' attitude which resulted in many of us getting screwed over. I have no sympathy for him and doubt Mr. Stumpy does either. There is no excuse for treating customers as he has.
                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76322 From: Gary Nessel Date: 5/19/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: LBR follow up
                                                                                        What a waste of conversation in my opinion.  Haven't we beaten this LBR subject to death?  

                                                                                        On Monday, May 18, 2015, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                         

                                                                                        I've explained what I think is the problem, but I will not get sucked into this problem..  What YOU do under your circumstances is up to YOU.  


                                                                                        Stumpy in Ahia 

                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76323 From: rudypenne Date: 5/19/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: LBR follow up
                                                                                        The problem is you send your money with your order & you get nothing in return.The law has a name for that type of problem.As I see it everyone that has made excuses for LBR has not lost their money to LBR.
                                                                                         
                                                                                        In a message dated 5/18/2015 3:40:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                         

                                                                                        I've explained what I think is the problem, but I will not get sucked into this problem..  What YOU do under your circumstances is up to YOU.  


                                                                                        Stumpy in Ahia 

                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76324 From: Ron Inscho Date: 5/19/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: LBR follow up
                                                                                        
                                                                                        Ok Here's how it happened , I made the mistake of paying him with Pay-Pal & by the time it became evident that He was never going to send the goods , It was too late for them to get involved . It has been 18 months now & the Ky. atty gen also said it is too late to really get involved . Too bad as Dave really made some good stuff . Guess I will just write it off as a learning experince ? But the real loss is His not mine as I and many others would not ever buy from him again . :(
                                                                                         

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                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76325 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 5/19/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: LBR follow up
                                                                                        I have never had a problem, always got what I ordered.



                                                                                        On Monday, May 18, 2015 6:40 PM, "mrstumpy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                         
                                                                                        I've explained what I think is the problem, but I will not get sucked into this problem..  What YOU do under your circumstances is up to YOU.  

                                                                                        Stumpy in Ahia 


                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76326 From: fixitmanbill Date: 5/20/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Size of motors in steam locomotives.
                                                                                        I am a relative "Noob" to s gauge, Even tho I had one as a kid.
                                                                                        Can anyone fill me in on the different size motors that will fit in American Flyer steam engines. I recently acquired a 325AC in good shape except the motor is questionable. I have seen reference to 1/2',3/4' and 1' motors. I work on electronic equipment, so changing a motor is not a big deal to me. I would just like to understand a little more about what is available for my Hudson, built in 1951.


                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76327 From: fixitmanbill Date: 5/20/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: LBR follow up
                                                                                        I have never ordered anything from the man. But based on his reputation, I would not. Even if I wanted his product badly. This is the way a free market works. If you do not keep up, you loose customers until you finally go out of business. If he worked in government, Or had no competition he could stay in business without filling orders.
                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76328 From: Bob Groh Date: 5/21/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: Size of motors in steam locomotives.
                                                                                        There are (or were) at least one vendor who made a can motor already to drop into the AF steam engines - even had the proper spiral gear on the motor output shaft.  I purchased one for my AF 310 and it is marked:
                                                                                        S-n-S Trains and AF Retrofits
                                                                                        3239 Pepperwood Drive
                                                                                        Boise, Idaho 83704

                                                                                        And a quick web search shows they are still around:
                                                                                        http://www.snstrains.com/



                                                                                        I purchased it at the Fall S Fest in Chicago area in 2010.  As I remember it (memory is a bit tricky), the motor combo came with two gearing options - I purchased the 'slow speed' option.  I never got around to installing it but some day ....!!

                                                                                        I am going to run mine on DC - if you want to run yours on AC, you'll need an electronic reversing module.

                                                                                        Super simple.

                                                                                        Bob Groh
                                                                                        Blue Springs, Missouri



                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76329 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/21/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Size of motors

                                                                                        My recommendation is to look up SnS Trains  website and their modern can motor conversions.  I have rebuilt 32 junk Flyer locomotives over the years and have used a LOT of SnS motors.  They run cooler, draw less power, and are far smoother than the fifty/sixty year old Gilbert ones. 


                                                                                        Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76330 From: racin510 Date: 5/21/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: LBR follow up
                                                                                        There are times to THINK beyond your own personal circumstances and consider the whole [group]!
                                                                                        He may say "I am not a crook", but that does not make him "not a crook".
                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76331 From: Gary Nessel Date: 5/21/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 17 May 2015
                                                                                        Ditto that!

                                                                                        On Monday, May 18, 2015, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                         

                                                                                        Wow, as many people as there are that have lost money to LBR and you are all defending his ways. Obviously you are the few who have not lost money doing business with LBR. When will you all wake up? I don't understand how you keep defending this type of business. Oh well, Buyer beware! Chris Burger

                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76332 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/22/2015
                                                                                        Subject: Help needed: Model Citizens the movie documentary
                                                                                        By now, I imagine you are aware of "Model Citizens," the documentary movie on model railroading. If not, here's a link to the website which contains some information about the project and some terrific interviews with model railroaders:


                                                                                        It is being funded by contributions on the Kickstarter website. $15,000 is needed to complete the project (including paying my son for composing the music score for the film). With only 12 days left in the fundraising campaign, only $5,000 has been raised. If you can help, in any amount, it would be greatly appreciated. There is a link on the Model Citizens website to the Kickstarter campaign.

                                                                                        By the way, the San Diego S Gaugers' clubhouse is one of the film clips in the fundraising video, and the filmmaker Sara is the one who produced the film "A Case for Space" on our club's website to help us find a new home. She is a friend of S! I'm hoping that some of the footage she shot of our club layouts will make it into the final film.

                                                                                        Bob Graves
                                                                                        TheGilbertGallery.org
                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76333 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/23/2015
                                                                                        Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 24 May 2015
                                                                                        Attachments :
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                                                                                          Sunday, 24 May 2015
                                                                                          05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                          (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                          Where
                                                                                          http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                          Notes
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                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76334 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/24/2015
                                                                                          Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 24 May 2015
                                                                                          Attachments :
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                                                                                            Sunday, 24 May 2015
                                                                                            05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                            (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                            Where
                                                                                            http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
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                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76335 From: traindavid Date: 5/24/2015
                                                                                            Subject: Chat tonight! Come join us---PAAAARTY!!!
                                                                                            Hej y'all!
                                                                                            Sunday night chat (I know, it's a three-day weekend) so come join us for
                                                                                            some fun talkin' trains, and almost anything else that comes up. I got some
                                                                                            neat buys at the TCA Sacramento train show yesterday.
                                                                                            And Now that I suggest y'all come, I will likely be late as today is the
                                                                                            annual Historical Society BBQ with two-day marinated tri-tip---oooooh it's
                                                                                            goooood!
                                                                                            S'incerely
                                                                                            David D. (Member of PETA--People Eating Tasty Animals)--No offense meant to
                                                                                            any vegetarians out there; life's a matter of choices.)
                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76336 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/25/2015
                                                                                            Subject: Chat

                                                                                            Sorry I missed Chat last night.  I was indulging in one of my other hobbies; auto racing.   The Coke 600 ran until almost eleven o'clock!   I can't help it, I've been a "car guy" almost as long as a "train guy" because my grandfather raced in the thirties and forties and I caught the sickness from him.  I raced in the late sixties and early seventies, then became an official and finally was an announcer at various speedways and a touring series for 39 years.  The "bug" dies hard!


                                                                                            I hope to be back on Chat next Sunday.


                                                                                            Meanwhile, progress slowly continues on my next portable S layout for train shows using salvaged Pike Master track I got at this year's Spree.


                                                                                            Race carefully...


                                                                                            Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76337 From: Bob Moyer Date: 5/26/2015
                                                                                            Subject: Atlantic Loco to Ten Wheeler
                                                                                            To All:

                                                                                            Good morning. I back playing with my trains and delving into my "junk" box. We all got one. I was thinking about putting a Atlantic shell onto a six driving wheel chassis. It fits. So if I do that I'l go with the 4 wheel pilot truck, the six driving wheels and no trailing truck. Ergo a "ten wheeler". Definitely not as nice or correct as Stumpys ten wheeler (my hero) but may look good running around the pike. Has anyone done this? Comments?

                                                                                            Regards

                                                                                            Bob Moyer
                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76338 From: snstrains Date: 5/26/2015
                                                                                            Subject: Re: Chat
                                                                                            You are (reluctantly) forgiven Stumpy. Only 3 of us last night. All from the West.
                                                                                            Steve
                                                                                            Boise
                                                                                             
                                                                                            In a message dated 5/25/2015 7:25:41 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                             

                                                                                            Sorry I missed Chat last night.  I was indulging in one of my other hobbies; auto racing.   The Coke 600 ran until almost eleven o'clock!   I can't help it, I've been a "car guy" almost as long as a "train guy" because my grandfather raced in the thirties and forties and I caught the sickness from him.  I raced in the late sixties and early seventies, then became an official and finally was an announcer at various speedways and a touring series for 39 years.  The "bug" dies hard!


                                                                                            I hope to be back on Chat next Sunday.


                                                                                            Meanwhile, progress slowly continues on my next portable S layout for train shows using salvaged Pike Master track I got at this year's Spree.


                                                                                            Race carefully...


                                                                                            Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76339 From: mike gardner Date: 5/27/2015
                                                                                            Subject: Re: Atlantic Loco to Ten Wheeler
                                                                                            I hope you do . I just finished the running gear and still looking for a reverse unit to f



                                                                                            On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:33 PM, "Bob Moyer romoyer1@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                             
                                                                                            To All:

                                                                                            Good morning. I back playing with my trains and delving into my "junk" box. We all got one. I was thinking about putting a Atlantic shell onto a six driving wheel chassis. It fits. So if I do that I'l go with the 4 wheel pilot truck, the six driving wheels and no trailing truck. Ergo a "ten wheeler". Definitely not as nice or correct as Stumpys ten wheeler (my hero) but may look good running around the pike. Has anyone done this? Comments?

                                                                                            Regards

                                                                                            Bob Moyer


                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76340 From: Bill Lane Date: 5/27/2015
                                                                                            Subject: Converting K Line cars to Scale

                                                                                            I have 2 K Line boxcars that are a “goof” for some of my other interests. I am a lifelong FORD fan. Also my #1 dachshund (of the 4 pack) is named Pickles. I also want to have a pickle factory on my layout.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            I bought the Pickle car first. I mostly recycled the K Line trucks by putting scale wheels on the K Line axles. Way too much work! The car had a Kadee mounting pad.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            When converting the Ford car I did not really look what I did before. It did not have the Kadee mounting pad. There was no bolster just a “bump” with a massive spacer. I decided the bump was in the way and had to go so I used my milling machine. Gone.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            I knocked out 2 “Ace” conversion bolsters in Solidworks and 3D printed them.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            So I had a $35.00 plastic car I used my big GREEN milling machine and my 3D printer for the conversion. The car was cheap. Being able to do it is priceless!

                                                                                             

                                                                                            I have a pair of K Line trucks and metal AF couplers available for trade for SHS Scale trucks. Reply directly.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            Thank You,
                                                                                            Bill Lane

                                                                                            Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

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                                                                                            Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                                                                                             

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                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76341 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/27/2015
                                                                                            Subject: Atlantic loco and tender

                                                                                            The American Flyer Atlantic has been fodder for kit bashing forever.  A lot of today's S gaugers don't recall that many years ago a lot of S gaugers had little or nothing to work with but old Flyer.  One of the earliest bashes, quite popular in the East, was to build Atlantic "Camel Back" or "Mother Hubbard" locomotives with the cab astride the boiler.   Even the Pacific was turned into these types too.


                                                                                            Ten Wheelers present a different problem due to wheel arrangement and the motor being mounted to the back of the Flyer chassis.  In fact, any steam locomotive of the era before trailing trucks under the firebox present a problem.  If you just remove the trailing truck on a Flyer engine to build an earlier type, you have a visually ridiculous space under the firebox/cab area.   Shortening the boiler to a believable length, and the motor hangs out the back of the cab.


                                                                                            When I was trying to figure out how to do my Ten Wheeler, I confronted these problems for years with no solution.  And then fate stepped in.  Among my many junk boxes I discovered a Casey Jones cab and a Pacific shell right beside it.  A light bulb flashed on!  I could cut off the Pacific cab and a short length of boiler and apply the bigger Casey Jones cab to allow coverage of the motor, yet still look pretty close to correct. I added some scratch built plastic firebox parts under the cab to further create the illusion of the common "deckless cab" type engine of the old days.


                                                                                            Turning the Atlantic into a Ten Wheeler will create the problem of the motor sticking out the back of the cab and the fact that I don't know of any Ten Wheelers ever being built (but I'm not totally certain) with the wide Wooten Firebox.  I have not thought about this at length, but the Casey Jones cab deal might solve both problems!  Another possibility is to add "cab curtains" to the back of the cab roof to cover the motor out the back of the cab.  Keep us up to date on this and e-mail me directly if you wish.


                                                                                            Stumpy Stone in Ahia

                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76342 From: alhbaker Date: 5/29/2015
                                                                                            Subject: Re: Atlantic Loco to Ten Wheeler
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                                                                                            Hi Bob,


                                                                                            I attended Flyer Fest West in Sacramento in 2009, and during the layout tours, I photographed a 4-6-0 made by a guy but sorry, I don't remember his name.  It is made using the cast metal shell, not the plastic. He did a nice job.   I will try to attach a picture to this posting, otherwise I can email it.


                                                                                            Also, along that line, in my album Al Baker's Custom S Locomotives in the group photos, I have pictures of my 2-6-2 and 4-6-2 (extended boiler)  using the same metal boiler shells.


                                                                                            Al

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                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76343 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 5/29/2015
                                                                                            Subject: Re: Converting K Line cars to Scale
                                                                                            Bill,
                                                                                              Will you be manufacturing those Baldwin locomotives?
                                                                                                                                                        Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                       Kalispell,MT
                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76344 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 5/29/2015
                                                                                            Subject: 10 wheeler

                                                                                            Ten Wheelers present a different problem due to wheel arrangement and the motor being mounted to the back of the Flyer chassis. In fact, any steam locomotive of the era before trailing trucks under the firebox present a problem. If you just remove the trailing truck on a Flyer engine to build an earlier type, you have a visually ridiculous space under the firebox/cab area. Shortening the boiler to a believable length, and the motor hangs out the back of the cab.

                                                                                            Hey Stumpy,

                                                                                             

                                                                                            Just a thought without the parts in front of me but…  How about reversing a SNS can motor so it sits where the smoke unit is (more or less) and reverse the worm gear between the rear drivers?  That way one could chop as much as one feels like from the rear of the chassis.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            One problem I see is the diameter of the boiler.  I believe a 10 wheeler would have a much smaller boiler.  The can motor reversed, just fits in an Atlantic boiler.  Probably a 283 would be a better starting point for the boiler.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            Tom Stoltz

                                                                                            in Maine

                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76345 From: aftrains4u Date: 5/29/2015
                                                                                            Subject: 789 Station & Baggage Smasher

                                                                                            I have an original 789 Baggage Smasher I purchased on eBay.  Cosmetically it is in excellent condition.  However, I went to hook it up and the Smasher moves very slow and not the full length of the track.  I have adjusted the screw on the magnetic coil assembly both clockwise and counter clockwise with no motion improvement.  I checked my connections to the transformer as well - black wire to base and yellow wire to 15 plus.


                                                                                            Can someone provide information or a checklist on what might be wrong?  I understand that the Smasher is suppose to move along the track, turn, and move back to the original position.  My unit does not function in this manner.  Also, I realize that there is a nap base under the hand truck that may be worn.  The coil assembly is working and it gets louder with increased power.  And, there is a mat assembly and coil platform.  Can any of these parts be the problem?


                                                                                            Any help on this problem 789 is appreciated.  


                                                                                            Bob        

                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76346 From: racin510 Date: 5/30/2015
                                                                                            Subject: Re: 789 Station & Baggage Smasher
                                                                                            Most likely it is the 'nap base'. This is the same as with the cows in the stock yard and the people in the guilford passenger platform. You need to renew it with the proper material and have the direction correct such that the man turns the right direction at the end of his walk.
                                                                                            Working properly the station should not be overly loud. This is another accessory that likes it's own transformer to regulate voltage because the screw adjustment is not usually the best solution.
                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76347 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/30/2015
                                                                                            Subject: Re: 789 Station & Baggage Smasher

                                                                                            First guess is the mohair base on the figure is worn and needs to be replaced with new mohair. Second guess is that the vibrating mat on which the figure moves is stuck and not free to vibrate properly.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            <<< Can someone provide information or a checklist on what might be wrong? I understand that the Smasher is suppose to move along the track, turn, and move back to the original position. My unit does not function in this manner. Also, I realize that there is a nap base under the hand truck that may be worn. The coil assembly is working and it gets louder with increased power. And, there is a mat assembly and coil platform. Can any of these parts be the problem?

                                                                                            >>>

                                                                                             

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                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76348 From: ecphora123 Date: 5/30/2015
                                                                                            Subject: Re: 10 wheeler
                                                                                            Good thinking Tom. I have often wondered how one might convert a Flyer Reading style Atlantic to some sort of 0-4-0 or 0-6-0 switcher. Perhaps your concept offers a solution for that scenario as well.

                                                                                            Just a thought..... Gene Cimino
                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76349 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 5/30/2015
                                                                                            Subject: Re: 789 Station & Baggage Smasher
                                                                                            Bob,
                                                                                             I think the #1 thing to check is the condition of the nap material to see if it's worn.  I would also check the condition of the vibrating mat to make sure it is not torn and is clean and not clogged up with dirt, etcetera. It a simple mechanism where the baggage smasher rides on a vibrating mat that is attached to the coil.  Since you are getting some movement,  I'm suspecting the nap material is worn.  You need to give it a good overall examination.  Let us know what you find.

                                                                                            Daryl



                                                                                            On 5/30/2015 12:12 AM, aftrains4u@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                             

                                                                                            I have an original 789 Baggage Smasher I purchased on eBay.  Cosmetically it is in excellent condition.  However, I went to hook it up and the Smasher moves very slow and not the full length of the track.  I have adjusted the screw on the magnetic coil assembly both clockwise and counter clockwise with no motion improvement.  I checked my connections to the transformer as well - black wire to base and yellow wire to 15 plus.


                                                                                            Can someone provide information or a checklist on what might be wrong?  I understand that the Smasher is suppose to move along the track, turn, and move back to the original position.  My unit does not function in this manner.  Also, I realize that there is a nap base under the hand truck that may be worn.  The coil assembly is working and it gets louder with increased power.  And, there is a mat assembly and coil platform.  Can any of these parts be the problem?


                                                                                            Any help on this problem 789 is appreciated.  


                                                                                            Bob        


                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76350 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/30/2015
                                                                                            Subject: Ten Wheeler

                                                                                            I imagine that changing the position of the motor can be done, but you're getting into the area of major machining and parts making to do it.  Besides, you'll lose the smoke and choo-choo features which are much better than anything else available up until the fan driven, electronically controlled smoke and sound units came along.


                                                                                            As the photo of the Atlantic boilered 4-6-0 so nicely points out, putting the Pacific chassis under the Atlantic shell CAN be done.  However, such a loco has the problem that you must use a special motor to keep it within the cab as the Pacific chassis is longer.  Another problem is the Wooten firebox.  Notice that the rear drivers are tall enough to actually be IN that firebox, an impossibility in the real world.  Of course you CAN add to the mounts to "jack up" the shell to avoid this, but this will create new problems.  And finally, there is the question of there ever being a 4-6-0 with a Wooten firebox. 


                                                                                            As to the use of the earlier die cast shell, there is the advantage that the longer smoke box of the metal shell is more typical of real locomotives of the turn of the century.  Plastic shells are easier to work with in any conversion, but In the case of the Atlantics represents later locomotive technology.


                                                                                            I struggled with all of this while planning my Ten Wheeler conversion, possibly making it harder on myself because I "know too much" about my beloved steam locomotives!    Every kit bash that I've built has to conform to a certain amount of real steam loco history for ME to accept it. 


                                                                                            It comes down to what YOU the builder can accept in appearance and have the skill to actually build.  In the case of using the Flyer Atlantic, it's going to be much less costly experiment than, say, starting with a Hudson or Northern!  So don't be discouraged!  Anything you build will allow you to develop new skills and be a "rare" one of a kind creation that no one else has!  Go for it!


                                                                                            Stumpy in Ahia



                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76351 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/30/2015
                                                                                            Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 31 May 2015
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                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76352 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/31/2015
                                                                                              Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 31 May 2015
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                                                                                                05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
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                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76353 From: poniaj Date: 5/31/2015
                                                                                                Subject: Re: 789 Station & Baggage Smasher
                                                                                                Bob,

                                                                                                You'll have to disassemble the station to diagnose the problem.  It could be that the mat has dislodged from the vibrating mechanism or (more likely) the nap on the bottom of the man (named Billy) has deteriorated.  Either one will cause problems.  It's also possible that there is a build up of dust on the nap or the slot and track that Billy runs in is dirty.  But at any rate, you will have to take it apart to see what's wrong. 

                                                                                                Good luck, and tell us what you discover!
                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76354 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 5/31/2015
                                                                                                Subject: Re: 789 Station & Baggage Smasher

                                                                                                Hi Bob

                                                                                                You might try disassembling the PA14B270 coil platform the metal plate under the station which is where the cart and man travels it could be worn out I think Doug peck ay portliness has replacements if not that than look at XA13A446 RP the Nap on the base could also be worn out again Doug peck at portliness may have them or Tom Seccia at triples supplies may have them in both cases very easy fix good luck if you have any questions or I can help please e mail me Stan Sobieski

                                                                                                 

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                                                                                                Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 12:12 AM
                                                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                Subject: [S-Trains] 789 Station & Baggage Smasher

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                I have an original 789 Baggage Smasher I purchased on eBay.  Cosmetically it is in excellent condition.  However, I went to hook it up and the Smasher moves very slow and not the full length of the track.  I have adjusted the screw on the magnetic coil assembly both clockwise and counter clockwise with no motion improvement.  I checked my connections to the transformer as well - black wire to base and yellow wire to 15 plus.

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                Can someone provide information or a checklist on what might be wrong?  I understand that the Smasher is suppose to move along the track, turn, and move back to the original position.  My unit does not function in this manner.  Also, I realize that there is a nap base under the hand truck that may be worn.  The coil assembly is working and it gets louder with increased power.  And, there is a mat assembly and coil platform.  Can any of these parts be the problem?

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                Any help on this problem 789 is appreciated.  

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                Bob        

                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76355 From: rlgriggs@bellsouth.net Date: 6/3/2015
                                                                                                Subject: U.P. Aux. Water Tender in 'S'

                                                                                                Since Lionel released the 'S' U.P. "Big Boys" and the 'S' U.P. "Challengers" I've thought we needed some Armour Yellow versions of the aux. water tenders to place behind them.  I originally stated this 'wish list' on the OGR Forum at: http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/what-would-you-like-to-see-lionel-present-in-2013


                                                                                                As it turns out, this 'wish' may be closer to realization than I thought.  While looking through some items in Shapeways, I found a 'modern' aux. water tender in 'O' that I thought could be 'printed' in 'S'.


                                                                                                Following are some eMails between myself and James at JamesTrainParts (it's long, but detailed):


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                                                                                                Date: Wed., 27 May 2015


                                                                                                To: JamesTrainParts


                                                                                                Subject: UP Aux Water Tender in 1/64 Scale


                                                                                                Hi,


                                                                                                I happened upon your site via YouTube and noticed you are offering UP Aux. Water Tenders in Modern and Pre-Rebuild versions.  Could you produce one in 'S' scale (1/64)?  And, what would the cost be (for the cheapest version)?


                                                                                                Thanks for your prompt reply!


                                                                                                Sincerely,


                                                                                                Randall Griggs

                                                                                                3112 Shady Springs Drive

                                                                                                Louisville, KY  40299

                                                                                                Ph.: 502-261-0504

                                                                                                eMail: rlgriggs@...


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                                                                                                REPLY: Thur., 28 May 2015 08:59 UTC


                                                                                                From: JamesTrainParts


                                                                                                Subject: Re: UP Aux Water Tender in 1/64 Scale


                                                                                                Hi Randall,


                                                                                                Thanks for getting in touch.


                                                                                                Yes I can do the tenders in S Scale. 


                                                                                                Are you looking for a ready to run model or just the kit of parts from Shapeways?


                                                                                                Also would you want a complete 3D printed model, trucks and chassis etc?  For my O Scale version I used a Lionel chassis and trucks.


                                                                                                Also, the only material choice is FUD.  These will be two big for FXD and sadly the cheaper FD is no longer available.


                                                                                                To give you a rough idea as to the cost for the kit of parts for one tender I have scaled up my HO 3D model, please note that the wall thickness will be larger than required which will push the price up.  Should you wish to go ahead with the project I am happy to do the work to reduce the wall thickness and bring the price down.


                                                                                                Currently this works out at $275 all in for S Scale with the over thick walls including trucks and chassis for one tender.  I believe I can take about $50 of of that by reducing wall thickness etc. maybe more.


                                                                                                This price is for the modern tender and I think it would be a bit cheaper than the pre-rebuild as that one is a bit bigger.


                                                                                                Please let me know what you think.


                                                                                                Many thanks,


                                                                                                James


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                                                                                                Date: Thur., 28 May 2015


                                                                                                To: JamesTrainParts


                                                                                                Subject: Re: UP Aux Water Tender in 1/64 Scale


                                                                                                Hi, James,


                                                                                                Thanks for getting back to me so quickly.  I’ve been trying to get Lionel to make us some Aux. Water Tenders in ‘S’ since they offered the U.P. 4-8-8-4 “Big Boy” and the U.P. 4-6-6-4 “Challenger”.  I have a “Challenger”, and my son has a “Big Boy”.  Lionel doesn’t seem to be too interested in this project, but I’m sure there are quite a few other ‘S’ “Big Boy” and “Challenger” owners who would also like this important rolling stock accessory.


                                                                                                If you go to: http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/what-would-you-like-to-see-lionel-present-in-2013 

                                                                                                and scroll down about 2/5 of the way, you’ll see where I made my ‘plea’.  Seeing the photos I included, it might be that I’d also need the chassis, as I don’t know where the ShapeWays bottom ends.  If it included the gray portion above the silver trucks, then I’d not need a chassis!!??


                                                                                                Actually the ‘modern tender’ would probably be the best as it would be ‘current’ - thinking that if we use it on our ‘modern’ layouts, there would certainly need to be a ‘modern’ aux water tender coupled up.  (My excuse for running a “Challenger” on my American Flyer ‘S’ layout is for ‘fan trips’!)  :-)


                                                                                                I know very little about 3-D printing.  But, if you reduced the ‘O’ ShapeWays version to ‘S’ wouldn’t THAT also reduce the wall thickness?


                                                                                                I’m thinking the aux water tender shell would be the only part I would need (should also reduce the cost) as there are reasonable American Flyer/Lionel 3-axle trucks that appear correct.  Also, could one simply not make the chassis from sheet metal?  If so, how would the ShapeWays aux water tender shell attach to my own chassis?  Are there mounting lugs moulded in for this?


                                                                                                Less the trucks and chassis, what would just the modern aux water tender (with reduced wall thickness) cost?  I’m thinking if the price were ~$150-$175 there might be a decent demand.


                                                                                                If you have other photos of your 'O' aux water tender, especially inside shots, I would appreciate seeing them.


                                                                                                Again, thanks for your prompt reply!  :-)


                                                                                                Regards, Randall (Randy) Griggs


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                                                                                                REPLY: Fri, 29 May 2015 15:26 UTC


                                                                                                From: JamesTrainParts


                                                                                                Subject: Re: UP Aux Water Tender in 1/64 Scale


                                                                                                Hi Randal,


                                                                                                The 3D print price is based on volume of material not size of print. The tender shell is shaped like a bath tub, as a solid shell would simply be mega expensive. So for the N Scale model the wall thickness is roughly 1mm thick. When this model is scaled up to HO the walls become 2mm this and because it a 3D object the volume of material goes up by 3 times. So the HO tender then needs to me modified to reduce the walls aback down to 1mm from the inside, as not to alter the appearance from the outside. Then when scaling up to O scale the same thing happens. If I scale down the O scale tender to S scale the walls will become two thin and the project wound not upload to the Shapeways site to get a rough price, plus it is easier for me to thin rather than thicken.


                                                                                                As for the Chassis, yes it could be made out of a flat plate which would be much cheaper, that's basically what the O Scale one sat on. What about the couplers? I am not familiar with S Scale. N and HO both have the couplers attached to body. The O Scale ones attach to the trucks?

                                                                                                If you did want to make it out of plate it would just be a case of me telling you the size of it and it would fit up inside the shell.


                                                                                                I just got the price for the shell, ladders and tool boxes etc for a single tender. $ 215 Once I have thinned the walls I think it will be about $ 160-170, maybe less. That price includes shipping to the US as well.


                                                                                                I don't have any inside shots of the O scale tender but here is a screen shot of the model if that helps?


                                                                                                index.php?t=getfile&id=102384&private=&private=1


                                                                                                Cheers,


                                                                                                James



                                                                                                ********************************************************************************************************

                                                                                                Date: Mon., 1 June 2015


                                                                                                To: JamesTrainParts


                                                                                                Subject: Re: UP Aux Water Tender in 1/64 Scale


                                                                                                James,


                                                                                                Thanks for the follow-up information!  It sounds like a 1/64 scale UP Aux. Water Tender (modern version), less chassis, trucks & couplers appears to be economically feasible.  I will send your information to the S-Trains & S-Scale Yahoo groups and see if there's interest from others.  I would think there would be.


                                                                                                As far as couplers go, many use scale Kadee, or Sergent Engineering couplers attached to the chassis.  Others, like me, would use the over-sized American Flyer-style knuckle couplers attached to the trucks.


                                                                                                I was able to look at the bottom of your 'O' scale tender via the 'rotating' view.  By pausing the motion when It spun around, I could see the under-side detail quite well.


                                                                                                I'll be anxious to know if, after you 'thin' the walls, your cost will be even less than your $160-$170 estimate.  Thank you very much.  I will keep you posted of any interest I find on the S-Trains or S-Scale Yahoo lists!


                                                                                                Regards, Randy Griggs

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76356 From: tennsgauger Date: 6/3/2015
                                                                                                Subject: What is the status of Lionel's AF Fastrack ?
                                                                                                I have been helping a friend plan a highrail S gauge layout and have been advising him that Lionel's Fastrack may be a good alternative for him and his grandchild.  I have tried to follow Lionel's announcements about the Fastrack products.  The key is whether they ever get around to producing the switches (turnouts).  Otherwise the whole system is worthless. 
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                The delay (I think the first announcements were in 2011) in actually producing switches has hurt the sales of the other Fastrack products.  Why would anyone buy any of the Fastrack until Lionel proves it will put the switches into production?
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                Well maybe Lionel is close.  I see on a website that the manual switches are to be shipped on May 15.  (Oh, that was last month !!!). . . . . . .  Were they shipped.  I received an S Gaugian today and Scenery Unlimited lists a number of Fastrack products including a package of track including two turnouts.  I hope this really is going to be available soon. 
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                But the website I referred to also shows that the Remote Control Switches have been cancelled.  Is this correct?  Seems a shame they have been promoting the new track system for so long and have decided not to offer the remote control switches.  Yes, they were pricey, but the most important component of the track system.
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                     - Earl Henry, Nashville
                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76357 From: acgilbertguy Date: 6/3/2015
                                                                                                Subject: AF 23743 Track Maintenance Car

                                                                                                What is the wire drawbar for on the 23743 Track Maintenance Car?  It is too high for the tipple cars and won't work with couplers.  So, why the drawbar?  Just for looks?  I know of no Gilbert item that would work with this car. 

                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76358 From: rudypenne Date: 6/3/2015
                                                                                                Subject: Re: What is the status of Lionel's AF Fastrack ?
                                                                                                Earl,
                                                                                                        Look into MTH's track system. Hoquat Hobbies in NJ has in stock MTH flex track & might know the ETA of switches & cross overs
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                In a message dated 6/3/2015 11:54:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                 

                                                                                                I have been helping a friend plan a highrail S gauge layout and have been advising him that Lionel's Fastrack may be a good alternative for him and his grandchild.  I have tried to follow Lionel's announcements about the Fastrack products.  The key is whether they ever get around to producing the switches (turnouts).  Otherwise the whole system is worthless. 
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                The delay (I think the first announcements were in 2011) in actually producing switches has hurt the sales of the other Fastrack products.  Why would anyone buy any of the Fastrack until Lionel proves it will put the switches into production?
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                Well maybe Lionel is close.  I see on a website that the manual switches are to be shipped on May 15.  (Oh, that was last month !!!). . . . . . .  Were they shipped.  I received an S Gaugian today and Scenery Unlimited lists a number of Fastrack products including a package of track including two turnouts.  I hope this really is going to be available soon. 
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                But the website I referred to also shows that the Remote Control Switches have been cancelled.  Is this correct?  Seems a shame they have been promoting the new track system for so long and have decided not to offer the remote control switches.  Yes, they were pricey, but the most important component of the track system.
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                     - Earl Henry, Nashville

                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76359 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 6/3/2015
                                                                                                Subject: Re: AF 23743 Track Maintenance Car

                                                                                                Hi

                                                                                                I believe it was just for looks it could not be used to tow triple cars or any other card guess you could modify it  to pull the cars

                                                                                                Thanks Stan

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 2:23 PM
                                                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                Subject: [S-Trains] AF 23743 Track Maintenance Car

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                What is the wire drawbar for on the 23743 Track Maintenance Car?  It is too high for the tipple cars and won't work with couplers.  So, why the drawbar?  Just for looks?  I know of no Gilbert item that would work with this car. 

                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76360 From: Robert Lampe Date: 6/4/2015
                                                                                                Subject: Re: What is the status of Lionel's AF Fastrack ?
                                                                                                I received the latest newsletter from Hoquat Hobbies and I can confirm that he has MTH trackage in stock. Sadly for us Jeff will be closing his doors and retiring by the end of the year. What this will mean is A good savings on a lot of S scale stuff for us and some good deals too. I wish Jeff all the best in the future. I only hope that any future shops I deal with are as great as Jeff has been.


                                                                                                From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 14:58:43 -0400
                                                                                                Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What is the status of Lionel's AF Fastrack ?

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                Earl,
                                                                                                        Look into MTH's track system. Hoquat Hobbies in NJ has in stock MTH flex track & might know the ETA of switches & cross overs
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                In a message dated 6/3/2015 11:54:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                 

                                                                                                I have been helping a friend plan a highrail S gauge layout and have been advising him that Lionel's Fastrack may be a good alternative for him and his grandchild.  I have tried to follow Lionel's announcements about the Fastrack products.  The key is whether they ever get around to producing the switches (turnouts).  Otherwise the whole system is worthless. 
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                The delay (I think the first announcements were in 2011) in actually producing switches has hurt the sales of the other Fastrack products.  Why would anyone buy any of the Fastrack until Lionel proves it will put the switches into production?
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                Well maybe Lionel is close.  I see on a website that the manual switches are to be shipped on May 15.  (Oh, that was last month !!!). . . . . . .  Were they shipped.  I received an S Gaugian today and Scenery Unlimited lists a number of Fastrack products including a package of track including two turnouts.  I hope this really is going to be available soon. 
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                But the website I referred to also shows that the Remote Control Switches have been cancelled.  Is this correct?  Seems a shame they have been promoting the new track system for so long and have decided not to offer the remote control switches.  Yes, they were pricey, but the most important component of the track system.
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                     - Earl Henry, Nashville


                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76361 From: snstrains Date: 6/4/2015
                                                                                                Subject: What is the status of Lionel's AF Fastrack ?
                                                                                                You may be overlooking the fact that American Models makes excellent track with 2 lengths of straight and 3 radii of curve track along with switches and two degrees of crossovers. And you can buy it today..
                                                                                                Steve
                                                                                                 Boise, Idaho
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                In a message dated 6/3/2015 7:35:47 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                 

                                                                                                Earl,
                                                                                                        Look into MTH's track system. Hoquat Hobbies in NJ has in stock MTH flex track & might know the ETA of switches & cross overs
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                In a message dated 6/3/2015 11:54:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                 

                                                                                                I have been helping a friend plan a highrail S gauge layout and have been advising him that Lionel's Fastrack may be a good alternative for him and his grandchild.  I have tried to follow Lionel's announcements about the Fastrack products.  The key is whether they ever get around to producing the switches (turnouts).  Otherwise the whole system is worthless. 
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                The delay (I think the first announcements were in 2011) in actually producing switches has hurt the sales of the other Fastrack products.  Why would anyone buy any of the Fastrack until Lionel proves it will put the switches into production?
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                Well maybe Lionel is close.  I see on a website that the manual switches are to be shipped on May 15.  (Oh, that was last month !!!). . . . . . .  Were they shipped.  I received an S Gaugian today and Scenery Unlimited lists a number of Fastrack products including a package of track including two turnouts.  I hope this really is going to be available soon. 
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                But the website I referred to also shows that the Remote Control Switches have been cancelled.  Is this correct?  Seems a shame they have been promoting the new track system for so long and have decided not to offer the remote control switches.  Yes, they were pricey, but the most important component of the track system.
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                     - Earl Henry, Nashville

                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76362 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/4/2015
                                                                                                Subject: Re: AF 23743 Track Maintenance Car
                                                                                                For looks? I've always thought it looked funny. The Greenberg book simply calls it a "drawbar" and gives no explanation. It has always been my understanding that it was one of the great mysteries of the universe - nobody seems to know why its there.

                                                                                                Bob Graves
                                                                                                TheGilbertGallery.org


                                                                                                From: "'Stanley Sobieski' americanflyer@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 5:59 PM
                                                                                                Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF 23743 Track Maintenance Car

                                                                                                 
                                                                                                Hi
                                                                                                I believe it was just for looks it could not be used to tow triple cars or any other card guess you could modify it  to pull the cars
                                                                                                Thanks Stan
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 2:23 PM
                                                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                Subject: [S-Trains] AF 23743 Track Maintenance Car
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                What is the wire drawbar for on the 23743 Track Maintenance Car?  It is too high for the tipple cars and won't work with couplers.  So, why the drawbar?  Just for looks?  I know of no Gilbert item that would work with this car. 


                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76363 From: lx5043 Date: 6/4/2015
                                                                                                Subject: Re: AF 23743 Track Maintenance Car
                                                                                                My understanding is that A.C. Gilbert was planning on producing some type of a track maintenance tow vehicle. Something like a tool cart but due to low demand of the track maintenance vehicle itself never initiated production, too bad they didn't use it for a revering mechanism like in the 742 Hand Car.
                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76364 From: Carey Probst Date: 6/4/2015
                                                                                                Subject: Train magazines available
                                                                                                I've decided to clean out some old train magazines to make room for more
                                                                                                toys and have the following available for free pickup in central PA.


                                                                                                Any shipping will be at your probably considerable expense.


                                                                                                The following are available but I do not have years and issues.


                                                                                                S Gaugian
                                                                                                Sn3 Modeler
                                                                                                S Gauge Herald
                                                                                                Finescale Modeler
                                                                                                Mainline Modeler
                                                                                                Narrow Gauge and Short Line Gazette
                                                                                                Dispatch
                                                                                                Probably more.


                                                                                                Currently I have 4 storage tubs full. Would prefer to let them all go
                                                                                                at one time and not sort them out by title.


                                                                                                Carey
                                                                                                --
                                                                                                Carey Probst
                                                                                                Pennsyltucky RR
                                                                                                Chief Microferroequineologist
                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76365 From: tennsgauger Date: 6/4/2015
                                                                                                Subject: Re: What is the status of Lionel's AF Fastrack ?
                                                                                                Thanks Steve.  Yes, I am aware of that.  I wish they would make the narrow radius track section again. 
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                And I have in mind that the AM switches could be used with the SHS flextrack.  But my friend will be better off if he can use the sectional track.
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                    - Earl Henry
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                In a message dated 6/4/2015 10:01:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                 

                                                                                                You may be overlooking the fact that American Models makes excellent track with 2 lengths of straight and 3 radii of curve track along with switches and two degrees of crossovers. And you can buy it today..
                                                                                                Steve
                                                                                                 Boise, Idaho
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                In a message dated 6/3/2015 7:35:47 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                 

                                                                                                Earl,
                                                                                                        Look into MTH's track system. Hoquat Hobbies in NJ has in stock MTH flex track & might know the ETA of switches & cross overs
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                In a message dated 6/3/2015 11:54:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                 

                                                                                                I have been helping a friend plan a highrail S gauge layout and have been advising him that Lionel's Fastrack may be a good alternative for him and his grandchild.  I have tried to follow Lionel's announcements about the Fastrack products.  The key is whether they ever get around to producing the switches (turnouts).  Otherwise the whole system is worthless. 
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                The delay (I think the first announcements were in 2011) in actually producing switches has hurt the sales of the other Fastrack products.  Why would anyone buy any of the Fastrack until Lionel proves it will put the switches into production?
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                Well maybe Lionel is close.  I see on a website that the manual switches are to be shipped on May 15.  (Oh, that was last month !!!). . . . . . .  Were they shipped.  I received an S Gaugian today and Scenery Unlimited lists a number of Fastrack products including a package of track including two turnouts.  I hope this really is going to be available soon. 
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                But the website I referred to also shows that the Remote Control Switches have been cancelled.  Is this correct?  Seems a shame they have been promoting the new track system for so long and have decided not to offer the remote control switches.  Yes, they were pricey, but the most important component of the track system.
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                     - Earl Henry, Nashville

                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76366 From: william lewis Date: 6/4/2015
                                                                                                Subject: Re: Train magazines available
                                                                                                I could use some s gaugian magazines. I only have 3 to my name. Could you stuff a priority mail flat rate box with some and maybe s gauge herald. I would gladly pay for the shipping. Thanks


                                                                                                Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

                                                                                                At Jun 4, 2015, 11:12:23 AM, Carey Probst s-scale@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                                                I've decided to clean out some old train magazines to make room for more
                                                                                                toys and have the following available for free pickup in central PA.

                                                                                                Any shipping will be at your probably considerable expense.

                                                                                                The following are available but I do not have years and issues.

                                                                                                S Gaugian
                                                                                                Sn3 Modeler
                                                                                                S Gauge Herald
                                                                                                Finescale Modeler
                                                                                                Mainline Modeler
                                                                                                Narrow Gauge and Short Line Gazette
                                                                                                Dispatch
                                                                                                Probably more.

                                                                                                Currently I have 4 storage tubs full. Would prefer to let them all go
                                                                                                at one time and not sort them out by title.

                                                                                                Carey
                                                                                                --
                                                                                                Carey Probst
                                                                                                Pennsyltucky RR
                                                                                                Chief Microferroequineologist

                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76367 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/4/2015
                                                                                                Subject: What's the status of Lionel AF Fastrack?

                                                                                                In the absence of remote control switches, why not use a plain old model railroad switch machine with the manual switches in the locations that can't be reached?  There are probably a good selection of these if you start checking out the "throw" of those for different scales.   I'd hate to see a railroad project stalled by this problem.


                                                                                                Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76368 From: bill hoglund Date: 6/4/2015
                                                                                                Subject: Re: Train magazines available
                                                                                                I would be interested but I live in Texas and have no trips planed to PA.



                                                                                                On Thursday, June 4, 2015 4:54 PM, "Carey Probst s-scale@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                 
                                                                                                I've decided to clean out some old train magazines to make room for more
                                                                                                toys and have the following available for free pickup in central PA.

                                                                                                Any shipping will be at your probably considerable expense.

                                                                                                The following are available but I do not have years and issues.

                                                                                                S Gaugian
                                                                                                Sn3 Modeler
                                                                                                S Gauge Herald
                                                                                                Finescale Modeler
                                                                                                Mainline Modeler
                                                                                                Narrow Gauge and Short Line Gazette
                                                                                                Dispatch
                                                                                                Probably more.

                                                                                                Currently I have 4 storage tubs full. Would prefer to let them all go
                                                                                                at one time and not sort them out by title.

                                                                                                Carey
                                                                                                --
                                                                                                Carey Probst
                                                                                                Pennsyltucky RR
                                                                                                Chief Microferroequineologist


                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76369 From: Mark Skertich Date: 6/4/2015
                                                                                                Subject: Re: LBR follow up
                                                                                                When I posted my experience with LBR Dave was rather dismayed with my comments.  He e-mailed me saying that he had sent 5 e-mails requesting my mailing address.  (I still claim that I never got the e-mails.)  Anyhow, I promptly sent him my mailing address.  STILL NO LOCOMOTIVE.  Sorry Dave, but enough is enough.
                                                                                                Mark



                                                                                                On Monday, May 18, 2015 6:30 PM, "danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                 

                                                                                                Ron,
                                                                                                  I am astounded that you can get no help from the KY Attorney General's office. Last year I had a problem with a firm in North Carolina not sending my order after a few months then lying and telling me it took several days for my check to clear which I knew was a lie since I had sent a money order. I contacted the NC Attorney general and within a couple weeks had my order......which by the way was not as I expected. But at least I got it. The only thing I could suggest would be a follow-up email to the KY Attorney General's office reminding them of your first email and that you had been ripped off and want satisfaction.
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                           Kalsipell, MT


                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76370 From: Sam & Peggy Date: 6/4/2015
                                                                                                Subject: Re: Train magazines available
                                                                                                I would be interested in the S-Gaugian from the 60's. 

                                                                                                Sent from my iPhone

                                                                                                On Jun 4, 2015, at 5:54 PM, "Carey Probst s-scale@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                I've decided to clean out some old train magazines to make room for more
                                                                                                toys and have the following available for free pickup in central PA.

                                                                                                Any shipping will be at your probably considerable expense.

                                                                                                The following are available but I do not have years and issues.

                                                                                                S Gaugian
                                                                                                Sn3 Modeler
                                                                                                S Gauge Herald
                                                                                                Finescale Modeler
                                                                                                Mainline Modeler
                                                                                                Narrow Gauge and Short Line Gazette
                                                                                                Dispatch
                                                                                                Probably more.

                                                                                                Currently I have 4 storage tubs full. Would prefer to let them all go
                                                                                                at one time and not sort them out by title.

                                                                                                Carey
                                                                                                --
                                                                                                Carey Probst
                                                                                                Pennsyltucky RR
                                                                                                Chief Microferroequineologist

                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76371 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/6/2015
                                                                                                Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 07 June 2015
                                                                                                Attachments :
                                                                                                  "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                  When
                                                                                                  Sunday, 07 June 2015
                                                                                                  05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                  (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                  Where
                                                                                                  http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                  Notes
                                                                                                  SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
                                                                                                  From
                                                                                                  S-Trains   Calendar
                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76372 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/7/2015
                                                                                                  Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 07 June 2015
                                                                                                  Attachments :
                                                                                                    "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                    When
                                                                                                    Sunday, 07 June 2015
                                                                                                    05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                    (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                    Where
                                                                                                    http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                    Notes
                                                                                                    SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
                                                                                                    From
                                                                                                    S-Trains   Calendar
                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76373 From: gsc3 Date: 6/8/2015
                                                                                                    Subject: Fair price for items.

                                                                                                    I am a S scale modeler.  I have a few SHS Flyer freightcar wheelsets with steel axles and a few pair of S Helper Service Am. Flyer type couplers, some dummies and some operating.  I am thinking of putting them up on eBay, but wondered what a fair market price would be?  For example, for 4 freightcar wheelsets or a single dummy or operating couplers.  If you can help I'll appreciate it. Please contact me off-line. All were made by S Helper Service for hi-rail operation.


                                                                                                    George Courtney

                                                                                                    gsc3@... or if yahoo strips this it's gsc3 at yahoo.com.

                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76374 From: ejenterp@pacbell.net Date: 6/8/2015
                                                                                                    Subject: Flyer Fest West

                                                                                                    Hello!

                                                                                                     

                                                                                                    Here is your registration form for Flyer Fest West 2015, sponsored by the Sacramento Valley American Flyer Club (SVAFC) to be held in the usual location in Elk Grove, CA, on September 19 and 20, 2015.  We think this will be a great meet with at least two clinics, two operating layouts, and a dynamite banquet speaker in addition to being probably the best S gauge and American Flyer train meet on the West Coast.

                                                                                                     

                                                                                                    Please complete your registration form as soon as possible and return it (by USPS mail or scan and email) no later than August 31 for reduced early registration fee and banquet order, and no later than September 10 for all other registrations.  After September 10, registration must be completed at the door.

                                                                                                     

                                                                                                    If you have any questions, or if you do not wish to receive emails from the SVAFC, please reply to ffw2015@....  Or call 209-586-9905.  This email has gone out to everyone on our mailing list that supplied an email address.

                                                                                                     

                                                                                                    Thanks and hope to see you at the meet!

                                                                                                    Carl Rudolph

                                                                                                    SVAFC Coordinator


                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76375 From: Frank Emiro Date: 6/8/2015
                                                                                                    Subject: Re: Fair price for items.
                                                                                                    This site on Face Book might be better. S-Helper/American Models and other S-Gauge/Scale 1/64th  trains 
                                                                                                    Or 
                                                                                                    1/64 S Scale & HiRail Yardsale 

                                                                                                    Sent from my iPhone

                                                                                                    On Jun 7, 2015, at 8:16 PM, gsc3@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                     

                                                                                                    I am a S scale modeler.  I have a few SHS Flyer freightcar wheelsets with steel axles and a few pair of S Helper Service Am. Flyer type couplers, some dummies and some operating.  I am thinking of putting them up on eBay, but wondered what a fair market price would be?  For example, for 4 freightcar wheelsets or a single dummy or operating couplers.  If you can help I'll appreciate it. Please contact me off-line. All were made by S Helper Service for hi-rail operation.


                                                                                                    George Courtney

                                                                                                    gsc3@... or if yahoo strips this it's gsc3 at yahoo.com.

                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76376 From: fnmichong Date: 6/9/2015
                                                                                                    Subject: Re: U.P. Aux. Water Tender in 'S'
                                                                                                    I am very interested in the U.P. Aux Water Tender in 'S'. I prefer a completely painted and assembled version but a kit would be acceptable. Please keep me updated via this list or off-list.

                                                                                                    Thanks
                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76377 From: aleisen@juno.com Date: 6/9/2015
                                                                                                    Subject: American Hi Rail
                                                                                                    Hi All


                                                                                                    Does any one know what has happen to Tom Hodgson Instrument Design aka American Hi Rail? I talked to him 5 or 6 years ago maybe longer and bought a Flying Yankee from him. I have called his phone and get an answering machine and left messages, but none returned. Iam trying to find a power and dummy trucks for his RDC. Anyone have any ideas for other choices ?




                                                                                                    Thanks Al


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                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76378 From: aleisen@juno.com Date: 6/9/2015
                                                                                                    Subject: American Hi Rail Parts
                                                                                                    Hi All


                                                                                                    Trying to find parts for an American Hi-Rail RDC. Powered truck or dummy trucks. Does anyone know what happen to Tom Hodgson Industrial Design AKA American Hi-Rail I have called the phone listed for him on the internet, no live answer only a Answering machine left messages several times, never received a call back. I've talked to him about 5 or 6 years ago maybe longer and bought a Flying Yankee from him. He was going to make a rotary snow plow and them he seem to vanish?




                                                                                                    Thanks Al Eisenhaur
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                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76379 From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave Date: 6/10/2015
                                                                                                    Subject: Re: LBR follow up
                                                                                                    Edited message
                                                                                                    For the members of this list, I am approving this message so you are all aware how Dave responds. When something triggers him, expect that this can happen. If you want to do business with him, your problem, not the list. Yelling and screaming (bold and caps) does not correct the problem, just makes it worse.

                                                                                                    Dave, I would recommend that you do your communications directly with the party involved, not here on the list. I will no longer approve your negative responses.

                                                                                                    Ed Eckert,
                                                                                                    moderator



                                                                                                    MARK,
                                                                                                         Your TOY TRAIN has been scheduled to ship to you on 06-08-2015. Your tracking number is  9407803699300016539981
                                                                                                    LBR
                                                                                                     

                                                                                                    From: "Mark Skertich edinboro67@... [S-Trains]"
                                                                                                    To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                    Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 8:21 PM
                                                                                                    Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: LBR follow up

                                                                                                     
                                                                                                    When I posted my experience with LBR Dave was rather dismayed with my comments.  He e-mailed me saying that he had sent 5 e-mails requesting my mailing address.  (I still claim that I never got the e-mails.)  Anyhow, I promptly sent him my mailing address.  STILL NO LOCOMOTIVE.  Sorry Dave, but enough is enough.
                                                                                                    Mark



                                                                                                    On Monday, May 18, 2015 6:30 PM, "danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" wrote:


                                                                                                     

                                                                                                    Ron,
                                                                                                      I am astounded that you can get no help from the KY Attorney General's office. Last year I had a problem with a firm in North Carolina not sending my order after a few months then lying and telling me it took several days for my check to clear which I knew was a lie since I had sent a money order. I contacted the NC Attorney general and within a couple weeks had my order......which by the way was not as I expected. But at least I got it. The only thing I could suggest would be a follow-up email to the KY Attorney General's office reminding them of your first email and that you had been ripped off and want satisfaction.
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                               Kalsipell, MT




                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76380 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/13/2015
                                                                                                    Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 14 June 2015
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                                                                                                      05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
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                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76381 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/14/2015
                                                                                                      Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 14 June 2015
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                                                                                                        SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76382 From: wjgill1 Date: 6/14/2015
                                                                                                        Subject: Hoquat Hobbies Open House Everything on sale

                                                                                                        Any one make it in to Jeff Wilson's shop today?  Saturday, 6/13, was to be his first sale in preparation for shutting down his shop at the end of this year. I am too far away to attend. Anyone seen the inventory list Jeff mentioned in his retirement announcement newsletter? 

                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76383 From: traindavid Date: 6/14/2015
                                                                                                        Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 14 June 2015
                                                                                                        Lately it's been kinda lonely at Chat, so Y'all come, here? If you can't
                                                                                                        make it at 8:00PM EDT, no worries mate, as some of us west coasters Chat
                                                                                                        quite late--after all, 8PM EDT is 5PM PDT! Your results may vary! :)
                                                                                                        It's pretty warm here, so being inside at the computer with air-conditioning
                                                                                                        sounds good. However, I will likely be late as I am committed to a
                                                                                                        "Volunteer Recognition BBQ," and will likely be on "clean-up duty". Such is
                                                                                                        life!
                                                                                                        So come on down, sit a spell and partake of some S community hospitality!
                                                                                                        S'incerely,
                                                                                                        David Dewey
                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76384 From: snstrains Date: 6/15/2015
                                                                                                        Subject: SnS Trains closing for the Summer
                                                                                                        We cannot accept any jobs into the shop after June 22nd and we will not be shipping any orders or repairs after June 26th.We will be closed for the Summer and will reopen for all business on August 20th. Please don't ship anything that will arrive after June 22nd or before August 20th.
                                                                                                        Thanks for the past business. See you all later this Summer.
                                                                                                        Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                        SnS Trains
                                                                                                        Boise
                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76385 From: Jim Schiele Date: 6/17/2015
                                                                                                        Subject: TCA convention cars

                                                                                                        How many s-gauge TCA passenger convention cars were made by American Models?

                                                                                                        I think the first year was 2002.

                                                                                                        Thanks.

                                                                                                         

                                                                                                        Jim Schiele

                                                                                                        83-19217

                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76386 From: bobville Date: 6/17/2015
                                                                                                        Subject: Re: TCA convention cars
                                                                                                        There were 4 not sure of the number on them, mine are in storage.
                                                                                                        Bob Persing










                                                                                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                        From: 'Jim Schiele' jschiele1@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                        Sent: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:52:20 -0400 (EDT)
                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] TCA convention cars


                                                                                                        How many s-gauge TCA passenger convention cars were made by American Models?




                                                                                                        I think the first year was 2002.




                                                                                                        Thanks.









                                                                                                        Jim Schiele




                                                                                                        83-19217
                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76387 From: wjgill1 Date: 6/17/2015
                                                                                                        Subject: Re: TCA convention cars
                                                                                                        Jim, RE: TCA passenger cars
                                                                                                        I am aware of the following

                                                                                                        2002 Chicago observation car
                                                                                                        2003 LA passerger car
                                                                                                        2004 Fraley combine car
                                                                                                        2005  4-6-2 Pacific engine
                                                                                                        2006 San Antonio RPO car

                                                                                                        Bill, Kelso, WA
                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76388 From: Jim Schiele Date: 6/18/2015
                                                                                                        Subject: Re: TCA convention cars

                                                                                                        Thanks for the answers to my convention car question.

                                                                                                         

                                                                                                        Jim Schiele

                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76389 From: acgilbertguy Date: 6/19/2015
                                                                                                        Subject: Re: AF 23743 Track Maintenance Car
                                                                                                        Thanks to all those that gave inputs to my question.  
                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76390 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/20/2015
                                                                                                        Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 21 June 2015
                                                                                                        Attachments :
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                                                                                                          05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
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                                                                                                          Where
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                                                                                                          Notes
                                                                                                          SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76391 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/21/2015
                                                                                                          Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 21 June 2015
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                                                                                                            05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
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                                                                                                            Where
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                                                                                                            Notes
                                                                                                            SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76392 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 6/22/2015
                                                                                                            Subject: Thanks for Help on 789 Baggage Smasher
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                                                                                                              Hi to All.

                                                                                                               

                                                                                                              My thanks to those who provided information on resolving a problem with my 789 Station and Baggage Smasher.  I did order Mohair from Doug Peck to repair the porter and adjusted the speed.  However, I can’t seem to get the porter to turn at both ends of the station platform.  I’m working to correct this situation by off-setting the mohair. 

                                                                                                               

                                                                                                              Thanks again for your help.  It is much appreciated.  S-Train contributors and followers are a great resource. 

                                                                                                               

                                                                                                              Hope all Dads had a super Fathers’ Day.  Have a great day.

                                                                                                               

                                                                                                              Bob




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                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76393 From: snstrains Date: 6/27/2015
                                                                                                              Subject: SnS Trains Summer closing reminder
                                                                                                              Just a reminder that we are closed until August for Summer vacations. Please, no emails or packages until Aug 1.
                                                                                                              Thanks again for all the business so far this year.
                                                                                                               
                                                                                                              Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                              Boise, Idaho
                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76394 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/27/2015
                                                                                                              Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 28 June 2015
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                                                                                                                05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
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                                                                                                                Where
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                                                                                                                SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76395 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/28/2015
                                                                                                                Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 28 June 2015
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                                                                                                                  05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                  (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                  Where
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                                                                                                                  SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76396 From: ken.kebco Date: 6/28/2015
                                                                                                                  Subject: Org / repro parts source? Specialized tools?
                                                                                                                  I have been lurking on the list for a few months after re-discovering my interest in AF trains eariler this year..  Sometimes I think I am trying to relive my childhood....but that is OK as I am having fun.  Dug out my packed away sets, bought a few books, been to a few local train shows, looked at Ebay, told people I have contact with of my new interest.
                                                                                                                  I have found some new (to me) trains in  local basements, & also found some of my customers had trains packed away and were happy to make a trade.
                                                                                                                  Some of the cars & locomotives I picked up are missing some small bits & pieces.  Where is the best place / dealers to look for original / repro parts?  Also is their any specialized tools I need to get (and best place to get these)?
                                                                                                                  Thanks
                                                                                                                  Ken


                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76397 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 6/29/2015
                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Org / repro parts source? Specialized tools?

                                                                                                                  Hi Ken

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  There are several people to deal with for parts

                                                                                                                  Doug Peck doug@...

                                                                                                                  Tom seccia seccia@...

                                                                                                                  Bill parr bparrtrains@...

                                                                                                                  Todd Metcalf trains&more@...

                                                                                                                  I deal with all of them and they have lots of parts and are very helpful in giving you information and helpful hints If you are going to get into train repair you should get some books I have purchased many of them and have found the repair book produced by Tom seccia to be very detailed with many part numbers plus AF h.o. parts as well please feel free to contact me if you need any help with part discriptions  good luck

                                                                                                                  PS I am reliving my child hood except my parents could never have afforded a lot of gilbert trains so only got few each year for christmass now I have quite a few

                                                                                                                  Thanks Stan Sobieski

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                  Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 3:39 PM
                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] Org / repro parts source? Specialized tools?

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  I have been lurking on the list for a few months after re-discovering my interest in AF trains eariler this year..  Sometimes I think I am trying to relive my childhood....but that is OK as I am having fun.  Dug out my packed away sets, bought a few books, been to a few local train shows, looked at Ebay, told people I have contact with of my new interest.
                                                                                                                  I have found some new (to me) trains in  local basements, & also found some of my customers had trains packed away and were happy to make a trade.
                                                                                                                  Some of the cars & locomotives I picked up are missing some small bits & pieces.  Where is the best place / dealers to look for original / repro parts?  Also is their any specialized tools I need to get (and best place to get these)?
                                                                                                                  Thanks
                                                                                                                  Ken

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76398 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 6/29/2015
                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Org / repro parts source? Specialized tools?

                                                                                                                  Hi Ken.  Great to hear you are back in to American Flyer.  You can get original and repro parts from Doug Peck at Port Lines in MA.  Just dial up portlines.com. 

                                                                                                                  We need more people like you in S-Gauge.  Welcome.

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  Bob

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                  Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 2:39 PM
                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] Org / repro parts source? Specialized tools?

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  I have been lurking on the list for a few months after re-discovering my interest in AF trains eariler this year..  Sometimes I think I am trying to relive my childhood....but that is OK as I am having fun.  Dug out my packed away sets, bought a few books, been to a few local train shows, looked at Ebay, told people I have contact with of my new interest.
                                                                                                                  I have found some new (to me) trains in  local basements, & also found some of my customers had trains packed away and were happy to make a trade.
                                                                                                                  Some of the cars & locomotives I picked up are missing some small bits & pieces.  Where is the best place / dealers to look for original / repro parts?  Also is their any specialized tools I need to get (and best place to get these)?
                                                                                                                  Thanks
                                                                                                                  Ken

                                                                                                                   




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                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76399 From: amflyral Date: 6/29/2015
                                                                                                                  Subject: H
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                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76400 From: amflyral Date: 6/29/2015
                                                                                                                  Subject: For sale Lionel Flyer Seaboard coaler 49807
                                                                                                                  This is a brand new Lionel Flyer 752 Seaboard coaler  (49807) in the original box, never used.  $100 plus shipping.  Please contact me off list at amflyral@....   Thanks,  Al Paolozzi


                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76401 From: Ken / Kebco Date: 6/29/2015
                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Org / repro parts source? Specialized tools?

                                                                                                                  A big thanks to all that emailed me directly &/or posted to the list.
                                                                                                                  Right now I am just having fun & trying to decide what direction I want to take my interest in as well as looking forward to my next show.
                                                                                                                  One thing I did notice at the shows, this hobby needs to attract some younger people, not sure if I saw more than a handful that looked under the age of 50.
                                                                                                                  Ken


                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                  Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 2:39 PM
                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] Org / repro parts source? Specialized tools?

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  I have been lurking on the list for a few months after re-discovering my interest in AF trains eariler this year..  Sometimes I think I am trying to relive my childhood....but that is OK as I am having fun.  Dug out my packed away sets, bought a few books, been to a few local train shows, looked at Ebay, told people I have contact with of my new interest.
                                                                                                                  I have found some new (to me) trains in  local basements, & also found some of my customers had trains packed away and were happy to make a trade.
                                                                                                                  Some of the cars & locomotives I picked up are missing some small bits & pieces.  Where is the best place / dealers to look for original / repro parts?  Also is their any specialized tools I need to get (and best place to get these)?
                                                                                                                  Thanks
                                                                                                                  Ken

                                                                                                                   




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                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76402 From: alan Date: 6/29/2015
                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Org / repro parts source? Specialized tools?
                                                                                                                   Ken,

                                                                                                                  YES -- U are right on attracting the younger crowd.  The Railfest in Dayton over the weekend drew a lot of people (of all ages) . We can only hope that a spark is generated to encourage the mom's and dad's to get interested . The problem as I see it,  we old timers grew up with the magnificent age of steam - the sounds, smells, the spinning of the wheels of such a massive beast and the wail of the steam whistle in the night (often with a unique sound generated by the engineers hand on the cord) .  The sight of this beast that by its size and nature reeks of power- stirs the imagination into wonderment of maybe someday controlling such a beast is a reminder of the bygone days of our youth.   There is nothing on the rails today that stirs the imagination . The humdrum of a diesel engine is a Duh at best. 
                                                                                                                  Train shows need to have a reference to those days so the younger generation can understand the history of the locomotives and what built America. Steam engines on a layout always creates the most interest to the visitors.
                                                                                                                  The chuff and smoke of an old Flyer gets the attention every time.

                                                                                                                  That's my two cents worth.
                                                                                                                  Old GUY AL


                                                                                                                  On Jun 29, 2015, at 9:37 PM, Ken / Kebco ken@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                                                                   


                                                                                                                  A big thanks to all that emailed me directly &/or posted to the list.
                                                                                                                  Right now I am just having fun & trying to decide what direction I want to take my interest in as well as looking forward to my next show.
                                                                                                                  One thing I did notice at the shows, this hobby needs to attract some younger people, not sure if I saw more than a handful that looked under the age of 50.
                                                                                                                  Ken


                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                  Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 2:39 PM
                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] Org / repro parts source? Specialized tools?

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  I have been lurking on the list for a few months after re-discovering my interest in AF trains eariler this year..  Sometimes I think I am trying to relive my childhood....but that is OK as I am having fun.  Dug out my packed away sets, bought a few books, been to a few local train shows, looked at Ebay, told people I have contact with of my new interest.
                                                                                                                  I have found some new (to me) trains in  local basements, & also found some of my customers had trains packed away and were happy to make a trade.
                                                                                                                  Some of the cars & locomotives I picked up are missing some small bits & pieces.  Where is the best place / dealers to look for original / repro parts?  Also is their any specialized tools I need to get (and best place to get these)?
                                                                                                                  Thanks
                                                                                                                  Ken

                                                                                                                   




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                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76403 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/30/2015
                                                                                                                  Subject: Speaking of Train Shows

                                                                                                                  Alan brings up a couple of points about attracting new blood.  One of the things that has long bothered me is that Train Shows are no longer displays of what can be done with toy and model trains, but vast "yard sales."  WAY BACK when I went to my first Train Show, the emphasis was on displaying and model contests and the vending was less than half the "show."  In the past few years I have been to shows where there are NO displays, but "vendors only."


                                                                                                                  Now having a lot of vendors pays the bills, and it does show that the hobby as a whole seems to be well supported.  However, unless you are a collector or looking for parts (which means you are already IN the hobby) there is nothing to get you excited about getting involved. 


                                                                                                                  I used to do as many as ten Train Shows a year, displaying models and running my small layouts.  In some cases the promoter contacted me to bring a layout, (My old Marabunta Island On30 layout was requested over and over for nine years!) but most couldn't care less if there was a layout or two on hand.  The layouts were instant "kid magnets" and also attracted everyone else as well, but didn't bring in instant money for the promoter.


                                                                                                                  These days I do the Spring S Spree and a few others, and am pleased to report that the Spree always has a number of both club and individual layouts on hand.  From what I see in the NASG magazine, most of the S gauge shows have a good number of layouts and displays.  The average "all scales" shows are not doing as well along those lines.


                                                                                                                  Train Shows are a perfect environment to attract people to a hobby that generally takes place "out of sight" in attics, basements, garages, and spare rooms.  But you have to have something for them to see when they pay their hard earned cash to get in the door.


                                                                                                                  Stumpy in Ahia





                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76404 From: wyoaf Date: 7/3/2015
                                                                                                                  Subject: Farm Set Box Imagery
                                                                                                                  We have a 9 1/4 " square metal "Welcome" sign that has weathered to the point where it's not fit for purpose.  I'd like to make a sticker or magnet to put on it, of the set box imagery of American Flyer's 1950 Farm Set.  You've probably seen these at Train Shows.  It's a relative close-up of  real steam locomotive driving wheels in blue, yellow and gray.   Is there a high res scan of this set box lid that the Group can direct me to by link or File ID ?  Thanks, John Davis Noblesville IN


                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76405 From: aflyerfan Date: 7/3/2015
                                                                                                                  Subject: Minot, North Dakota

                                                                                                                  Hi,


                                                                                                                  Is anyone in the group near Minot, North Dakota?  I need a big favor.  Please contact me.


                                                                                                                  Jacques

                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76406 From: Tom Date: 7/3/2015
                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Speaking of Train Shows
                                                                                                                  Stumpy,

                                                                                                                  I agree with the need to show trains and to allow hands-on running of trains.  Our local S gauge club had a “show” (meaning our club participation layout for the kids to run trains, our demonstration layout with a variety of old and new trains, and a static display of older trains, memorabilia and the various trains “scales”) last weekend at our local Zoo.  In late July, we’ll be at a local Senior Center and in August at a local outdoor Gandy Dancer Festival.  All of these “shows” (which we do annually) have terrific attendance and interest and the kids love to run trains even though we traditionally think of “train season” as being the winter when folks are in-doors.  I admit I don’t know how many actual recruits we get for the hobby, and it may not be many, but there is interest by the general public.  It helps that we are at venues where people come for other reasons - the Zoo, a Senior Center with seniors bringing grandkids who are not in school for the summer, and a local out door festival.  Still, it’s better than nothing and as you said it’s not limited to existing venues where there are primarily collectors already in the hobby showing up at a show for new train items and parts, although I admit to enjoying the ability to browse the booths of vendors at shows and the ability to buy parts on the fly.  We don’t have the answers for how to get new young train hobby recruits but people seem to enjoy seeing the trains and that’s something.  We all need to try different ways of appealing to new people, especially young people, to participate in the hobby even if the actual rate of recruiting new participants is not large.  We are like others in the hobby who want to figure out how to attract new, younger participants and are scratching our heads searching for ideas.  Showing layouts and trains running seems one way to try to appeal to non-hobbyists.

                                                                                                                  Tom

                                                                                                                  On Jun 30, 2015, at 8:00 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                  Alan brings up a couple of points about attracting new blood.  One of the things that has long bothered me is that Train Shows are no longer displays of what can be done with toy and model trains, but vast "yard sales."  WAY BACK when I went to my first Train Show, the emphasis was on displaying and model contests and the vending was less than half the "show."  In the past few years I have been to shows where there are NO displays, but "vendors only."


                                                                                                                  Now having a lot of vendors pays the bills, and it does show that the hobby as a whole seems to be well supported.  However, unless you are a collector or looking for parts (which means you are already IN the hobby) there is nothing to get you excited about getting involved.  


                                                                                                                  I used to do as many as ten Train Shows a year, displaying models and running my small layouts.  In some cases the promoter contacted me to bring a layout, (My old Marabunta Island On30 layout was requested over and over for nine years!) but most couldn't care less if there was a layout or two on hand.  The layouts were instant "kid magnets" and also attracted everyone else as well, but didn't bring in instant money for the promoter.


                                                                                                                  These days I do the Spring S Spree and a few others, and am pleased to report that the Spree always has a number of both club and individual layouts on hand.  From what I see in the NASG magazine, most of the S gauge shows have a good number of layouts and displays.  The average "all scales" shows are not doing as well along those lines.


                                                                                                                  Train Shows are a perfect environment to attract people to a hobby that generally takes place "out of sight" in attics, basements, garages, and spare rooms.  But you have to have something for them to see when they pay their hard earned cash to get in the door.


                                                                                                                  Stumpy in Ahia







                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76407 From: thecitrusbelt Date: 7/3/2015
                                                                                                                  Subject: Central Coast Railroad Festival – Show Your Layout

                                                                                                                  The Central Coast Railroad Festival ( http://ccrrf.com/ ) will take place October 1-4, 2015 (Thursday-Sunday) in San Luis Obispo County and Northern Santa Barbara County, CA.

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  As was done in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013, I will organize a free self-guided layout tour as part of the Festival.  We had eighteen model railroads and garden railroads on the last tour and hope to have these plus some new railroads this year.

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  If you have an operating layout or garden railroad I would like you to consider opening your railroad as part of the tour for one or more days.

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  Participating in a layout tour is a great way to share your work and meet your fellow model railroaders.  You’ve probably worked hard on your railroad so you might as well get some recognition from people who will appreciate your efforts.

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  All you need to do is operate your trains and chat with visitors.  I will do all the planning and publicity, as I have done for forty-three previously tours since 2006, including the 2008 NMRA National Convention, several NMRA regional conventions and the 33rd National Narrow Gauge Convention.

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  If you have any questions about hosting a layout tour before deciding to participate, please contact me OFF LIST at chiefbobbb@... [chiefbobbb AT Verizon DOT net] .

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  I hope to hear from you soon.

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  Thank you.

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  Bob Chaparro

                                                                                                                  Moderator

                                                                                                                  Model Railroads of Southern California

                                                                                                                  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/info

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76408 From: thecitrusbelt Date: 7/3/2015
                                                                                                                  Subject: Layouts Needed For 2016 PSR Convention (So. Calif.)

                                                                                                                  The Pacific Southwest Region/NMRA’s 2016 Convention is coming to the Los Angeles area in September 2016. The Convention Hotel is the DoubleTree by Hilton in Culver City.

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  I am asking layout and garden railroad owners to indicate their interest in opening their railroads to tours and operating sessions. At this time I only need an indication that you are interested. A firm commitment will not be needed until next year.

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  You do not need to be an NMRA member to display your layout.

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  Self-guided tours will take place between 10:30 am to 4:30 pm on Thursday, Friday and Saturday, September 22, 23 & 24, 2016. Layout operations will be in the afternoons and evenings. These tours and operating sessions will be available only to registered Convention attendees.

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  The tour area basically is Interstate 210 to the North, Moorpark to the West and the 57 Freeway to the East.

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  In addition, a self-guided tour in the same area with some of the same layouts will be open to members of my Model Railroads of Southern California group and their guests on Sunday, September 25, 2016. Your participation in the Sunday tour is totally at your option.

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  If you have an interest in displaying your layout, please contact me OFF LIST by July 15. The layouts of persons indicating an interest (with no obligation at this point) will be publicized to NMRA members at the 2015 PSR Convention.

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  If you have any questions about the Convention layout tour program, please do not hesitate to e-mail me OFF LIST.

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  Bob Chaparro

                                                                                                                  Layout Tour Chairman

                                                                                                                  2016 PSR Convention

                                                                                                                  Moderator

                                                                                                                  Model Railroads of Southern California

                                                                                                                  chiefbobbb@... [chiefbobbb AT Verizon DOT net]

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76409 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/4/2015
                                                                                                                  Subject: Speaking of Train Shows

                                                                                                                  Tom and all... Actually, it's not really necessary (though laudable)  to be "interactive" at most shows.  Just having something RUNNING to show folks what the hobby is about is a HUGE step in promotion.  Many Train Show promoters fail to see this as a draw to their show and an investment in the future. 


                                                                                                                  As for doing club events at other venues, such as shopping malls, car dealerships, and so on, this aids in the exposure of the hobby greatly.  Anywhere the general public can see toy or model trains in action is a plus!  Remember this is a hobby usually "secreted away" in basements, attics, spare rooms, or garages.  People just don't SEE the hobby. And unlike the days when I was a kid, they don't SEE real railroads nearly as much as they used to either.  It's almost as if the train hobby is shrouded in a "classified" designation!


                                                                                                                  The first problem to overcome is INVISIBILITY!  It might be a great thing for military aircraft to be invisible, but not for a hobby!  The hobby as a whole needs to be more visible, not just our little corner of the world in S gauge.  Train Shows are an already existing plus, but we need to reach beyond that and into the larger world.


                                                                                                                  Take an example from TV advertising:  Some commercials today are so stupid or so aggravating that you want to throw a brick at the TV.  Yet, they expose the product to the general public, even if the message itself is moronic.  P.T.Branum once said that he didn't care what the press said about him as long as he got publicity.  Today many politicians and  third string celebrities stay in the media by that same motto!


                                                                                                                  While we don't want to act stupid or obnoxious, we DO want to get more exposure.  All Train Shows having operating layouts included are the first step, but it will take more that that to grow the hobby, or even for it to survive.


                                                                                                                  Stumpy Stone in Ahia



                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76410 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/4/2015
                                                                                                                  Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 05 July 2015
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                                                                                                                    05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
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                                                                                                                    Where
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                                                                                                                    Notes
                                                                                                                    SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76411 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/5/2015
                                                                                                                    Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 05 July 2015
                                                                                                                    Attachments :
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                                                                                                                      05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                      (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                      Where
                                                                                                                      http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
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                                                                                                                      SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76412 From: James Lyle Date: 7/5/2015
                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Speaking of Train Shows
                                                                                                                      Have to agree with Stumpy.  PVMR hasn't had a layout on public display for almost 1 1/2 hrs.  We have nine layouts we own or have an interest in.  The one out this AM is owned by a member who is the " 24 hour man " at the local Lions Club Farmers Mkt.  Rich and Butch started at 0600 to move and set up Rich's layout, Gary joined them later, I got there at 1130 hours to help close at  1400.  I got the change from the " Dump Car ".
                                                                                                                      Despite rain most of the morning, the guys talked to a lot of people and handed out our Christmas Season Flyers. 
                                                                                                                      Several others of our members ( Marie & Crystal) were also at the market in other capacities.
                                                                                                                      We are now hoping to display our THOMAS layout in several weeks, it too is at "kid height". 
                                                                                                                      Jim LYLE 
                                                                                                                      Pequea Valley Model Railroaders
                                                                                                                      Sent from my iPhone

                                                                                                                      On Jul 4, 2015, at 7:24 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                      Tom and all... Actually, it's not really necessary (though laudable)  to be "interactive" at most shows.  Just having something RUNNING to show folks what the hobby is about is a HUGE step in promotion.  Many Train Show promoters fail to see this as a draw to their show and an investment in the future. 


                                                                                                                      As for doing club events at other venues, such as shopping malls, car dealerships, and so on, this aids in the exposure of the hobby greatly.  Anywhere the general public can see toy or model trains in action is a plus!  Remember this is a hobby usually "secreted away" in basements, attics, spare rooms, or garages.  People just don't SEE the hobby. And unlike the days when I was a kid, they don't SEE real railroads nearly as much as they used to either.  It's almost as if the train hobby is shrouded in a "classified" designation!< /span>


                                                                                                                      The first problem to overcome is INVISIBILITY!  It might be a great thing for military aircraft to be invisible, but not for a hobby!  The hobby as a whole needs to be more visible, not just our little corner of the world in S gauge.  Train Shows are an already existing plus, but we need to reach beyond that and into the larger world.


                                                                                                                      Take an example from TV advertising:  Some commercials today are so stupid or so aggravating that you want to throw a brick at the TV.  Yet, they expose the product to the general public, even if the message itself is moronic.  P.T.Branum once said that he didn't care what the press said about him as long as he got publicity.  Today many politicians and  third string celebrities stay in the media by that same motto!


                                                                                                                      While we don't want to act stupid or obnoxious, we DO want to get more exposure.  All Train Shows having operating layouts included are the first step, but it will take more that that to grow the hobby, or even for it to survive.


                                                                                                                      Stumpy Stone in Ahia



                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76413 From: Lamont Heppe Date: 7/5/2015
                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Speaking of Train Shows
                                                                                                                      Six clubs along the Carolina Coast from New Bern to Myrtle Beach are planning a Trainfest to be held next April 23 & 24 in Wilmington North Carolina. It is intended to introduce people to the hobby of model rail roading. In addition to a number of layouts in a variety of scales, we will have a number of clinics covering beginner topics, such as introduction to model railroading, how not to build the wrong layout, benchwork, track, scenery, etc. We plan to video the clinics and make them available on our web site. We will also be building a small HO layout to demonstrate techniques. Each of the clubs will have representative available to let attendees know about clubs in their area. There will also be vendors but the main thrust is on education. the venue is a 12,500 sq. ft. convention center across the parking lot from the Wilmington Train Museum. Museum admission is included in the Trainfest ticket price of $10. Advertising will target the general population as well as hobbyists. I’ll post details closer to the dates of the Trainfest.


                                                                                                                      Monte Heppe
                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76414 From: alan Date: 7/5/2015
                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Speaking of Train Shows
                                                                                                                       Stumpy and Guys  ---- a re-run of my earlier thoughts.     

                                                                                                                       The Railfest in Dayton drew a lot of people (of all ages). We can only hope that a spark is generated to encourage the mom's and dad's to get interested . The problem as I see it,  we old timers grew up with the magnificent age of steam - the sounds, smells, the spinning of the wheels of such a massive beast and the wail of the steam whistle in the night (often with a unique sound generated by the engineers hand on the cord) .  The sight of this beast that by its size and nature reeks of power- stirs the imagination into wonderment of maybe someday controlling such a beast is a reminder of the bygone days of our youth.   There is nothing on the rails today that stirs the imagination . The humdrum of a diesel engine is a Duh at best and creates little, if any excitement. 
                                                                                                                      Train shows need to have a reference to those days so the younger generation can understand the history of the locomotives and what built America. Steam engines on a layout always creates the most interest to the visitors.

                                                                                                                      Exposure to the hobby can be better promoted by all train clubs (during shows ) --- via a rented wide screen TV, running videos of all types of locomotives and their consist - this simple approach would go a long way in creating more interest in the hobby. The thunder created by a  2- 6 -4  ---  4-8-4 --- 2 10 2, or a double header, etc. during a show will automatically draw the younger generation to the world of trains. The younger generation dwell on the visual media. After all they live off the TV and it's mindless banter ----  It's time to make use on that media to introduce the unexposed to the wondrous world of model trains.
                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                       OK --- OK --I'll  jump off the soap box ------  carry on if U wish.

                                                                                                                      Alan

                                                                                                                      On Jul 4, 2015, at 7:24 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      Tom and all... Actually, it's not really necessary (though laudable)  to be "interactive" at most shows.  Just having something RUNNING to show folks what the hobby is about is a HUGE step in promotion.  Many Train Show promoters fail to see this as a draw to their show and an investment in the future. 


                                                                                                                      As for doing club events at other venues, such as shopping malls, car dealerships, and so on, this aids in the exposure of the hobby greatly.  Anywhere the general public can see toy or model trains in action is a plus!  Remember this is a hobby usually "secreted away" in basements, attics, spare rooms, or garages.  People just don't SEE the hobby. And unlike the days when I was a kid, they don't SEE real railroads nearly as much as they used to either.  It's almost as if the train hobby is shrouded in a "classified" designation!


                                                                                                                      The first problem to overcome is INVISIBILITY!  It might be a great thing for military aircraft to be invisible, but not for a hobby!  The hobby as a whole needs to be more visible, not just our little corner of the world in S gauge.  Train Shows are an already existing plus, but we need to reach beyond that and into the larger world.


                                                                                                                      Take an example from TV advertising:  Some commercials today are so stupid or so aggravating that you want to throw a brick at the TV.  Yet, they expose the product to the general public, even if the message itself is moronic.  P.T.Branum once said that he didn't care what the press said about him as long as he got publicity.  Today many politicians and  third string celebrities stay in the media by that same motto!


                                                                                                                      While we don't want to act stupid or obnoxious, we DO want to get more exposure.  All Train Shows having operating layouts included are the first step, but it will take more that that to grow the hobby, or even for it to survive.


                                                                                                                      Stumpy Stone in Ahia





                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76415 From: njma41 Date: 7/5/2015
                                                                                                                      Subject: Need: American flyer parts

                                                                                                                      Hello Folks


                                                                                                                         I have a talking station that I had serviced...a 755.. and it needs a new record.   Is there any companies out there that sell parts?    Nick

                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76416 From: Arthur Elks Jr. Date: 7/6/2015
                                                                                                                      Subject: train fest
                                                                                                                      Hello, Once all the details are worked out please let me know. I own and operate Bucks Trains Unlimited and Bucks Ballast and I will be interested in being a vendor at this train fest. Thank You, Arthur Elks JR (Bucky)



                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                      Arthur Elks Jr (Bucky)
                                                                                                                      722 Hamlet Hwy
                                                                                                                      Bennettsville, SC 29512
                                                                                                                      843-544-0292
                                                                                                                      www.buckstrainsunlimited.com
                                                                                                                      Buck's Trains Unlimited and Buck's Ballast
                                                                                                                      Makers of real railroad ballast
                                                                                                                      Specializing in HO,N,S,O, and G Scale
                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76417 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 7/6/2015
                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Need: American flyer parts

                                                                                                                      Hi

                                                                                                                      There are several places to get repro or original records for the 755 talking station

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      Tom seccia  seccia@...  he runs triple s supply’s

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      Todd Metcalf trains&more@...  todd had the records not sure of cost

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      Doug Peck doug@...  he runs portliness

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      Bill parr bparrtrains@...  they are all great people to deal with good luck

                                                                                                                      Thanks Stan

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                      Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 9:38 AM
                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Need: American flyer parts

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      Hello Folks

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                         I have a talking station that I had serviced...a 755.. and it needs a new record.   Is there any companies out there that sell parts?    Nick

                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76418 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/7/2015
                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Farm Set Box Imagery
                                                                                                                      I'd like a copy of the picture, too, to post on my Gilbert Gallery website. I'd appreciate it very much. Thank you.



                                                                                                                      On Jul 2, 2015, at 10:35 AM, wyoaf@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      We have a 9 1/4 " square metal "Welcome" sign that has weathered to the point where it's not fit for purpose.  I'd like to make a sticker or magnet to put on it, of the set box imagery of American Flyer's 1950 Farm Set.  You've probably seen these at Train Shows.  It's a relative close-up of  real steam locomotive driving wheels in blue, yellow and gray.   Is there a high res scan of this set box lid that the Group can direct me to by link or File ID ?  Thanks, John Davis Noblesville IN


                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76419 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/11/2015
                                                                                                                      Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 12 July 2015
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                                                                                                                        SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76420 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/12/2015
                                                                                                                        Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 12 July 2015
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                                                                                                                          SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76421 From: wjgill1 Date: 7/16/2015
                                                                                                                          Subject: Please contact me, having trouble sending you a note.
                                                                                                                          Mark S. Please contact me off list:  wjbillgill@...

                                                                                                                          Thanks


                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76422 From: Roy Inman Date: 7/18/2015
                                                                                                                          Subject: New glue
                                                                                                                          New glue Just saw a YouTube vid about an interesting product: Bondic, a liquid plastic welder. If it works as the infomercial depicts (?), it could be  dandy gadget for the toolbox.

                                                                                                                          Do a Google search and it will pop up.

                                                                                                                          --
                                                                                                                          Roy Inman

                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76423 From: Eric Date: 7/18/2015
                                                                                                                          Subject: S Train Items for sale

                                                                                                                          For Sale  July 2015

                                                                                                                          I have some more items to sell that I will not be using.  Rolling stock are all set up with high rail wheels and kadee couplers (or SHS version) unless marked new in box.  I do have some knuckles and scale wheels if you need them but you may have to be quick.  No short knuckles for Ore Cars.  Smokey Mountain and Pine Canyon are new as I received them. I see that most of the pine canyon stuff is long out of stock on their website but you can see pictures. I should have the boxes for everything and am checking, I will be sure before you send me money.

                                                                                                                          1.  5 - S Helper ore car set  GN Green  with box  Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels. Includes blue mountain redish color ore loads.  $160

                                                                                                                          2. SHS Bulkhead Flat 60403  with Pipe load  Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels.  $50

                                                                                                                          3. SHS  GN  TOFC flat and truck 60342   Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels  $50

                                                                                                                          4. 2  SHS hopper cars with loads  international harvester black  201, 572.  Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels  $65 pair

                                                                                                                          5. SHS  SW1 engine with DCC installed (no sound)  Southern Pacific. Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels  $200 -will check for scale wheels, knuckles.

                                                                                                                          6. Lionel Flyer Cylindrical hoppers  new in boxes  have 4.  Canada red, Canada Gov’t silver yellow, Alberta blue, Saskatchewan green.  All 4 $160,  $50 each.

                                                                                                                          7. 2 SHS  NdeM (Mexico) box cars  ( Gil Hulin Specials)  new in box  (I can include kadees) 72877 and 76809.  $45 each,  $80 pair

                                                                                                                          8. Lione Flyer SD70 engine like new in box, has been test run.  Works on AC, DC, DCC and Lionel Legacy.   $350

                                                                                                                          9. Smokey Mountain Models Kit  Southern Waffle side box car with trucks  $70

                                                                                                                          10. Smokey Mountain Models Kit  Seaboard Turtle back roofed boxcar no trucks  $60

                                                                                                                          11. Smokey Mountain Models Kit  B and O Wagontop Boxcar no trucks  $60

                                                                                                                          12. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box – Back alley #4  - new $129  Sell $110

                                                                                                                          13. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box –Rigsby Freight  new $89  sell  $75

                                                                                                                          14. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box – Toxic Terminal  new $89  sell $75

                                                                                                                          15. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box -  Back Alley #1 -  new $94,  sell $80

                                                                                                                          16. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box -  Building Blocks Series #1  new $114, sell 100

                                                                                                                          17. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box -  The Dump kit  new $45,  sell $40

                                                                                                                          18. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- 1950’s Café,  box opened but not touched,  sell $60

                                                                                                                          19. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Spanish style gas station, box opened but not touched,  sell $60

                                                                                                                          20. Pine Canyon Models  Parts – Wooden boxes of junk, roof turbines, piles of crates and 55 gallon drum sets.  About $60 new,  sell for $45

                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                          I would like to sell it all or in big groups but that is probably not realistic so make me an offer on any of this.


                                                                                                                          Shipping is extra,  All will be boxed well and insured.  I have not had a lost or broken package yet.


                                                                                                                          > Eric Reis
                                                                                                                          EricRhere@...
                                                                                                                          > Kenmore Wa. 98028
                                                                                                                          > NASG since 86, TCA since 87,  Ebay since 99 (almost  1100 positives)
                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                          > Paypal, Postal Money orders, Checks (held to clear) all work

                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76424 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 7/18/2015
                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: S Train Items for sale
                                                                                                                          Cylindrical hoppers  no 6 like to buy
                                                                                                                          my zip 50320 can you send me invoice I can send usps moneyorder
                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                          -----Original Message-----
                                                                                                                          From: Eric ericrhere@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                          To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                          Sent: Sat, Jul 18, 2015 4:43 pm
                                                                                                                          Subject: [S-Trains] S Train Items for sale

                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                          For Sale  July 2015

                                                                                                                          I have some more items to sell that I will not be using.  Rolling stock are all set up with high rail wheels and kadee couplers (or SHS version) unless marked new in box.  I do have some knuckles and scale wheels if you need them but you may have to be quick.  No short knuckles for Ore Cars.  Smokey Mountain and Pine Canyon are new as I received them. I see that most of the pine canyon stuff is long out of stock on their website but you can see pictures. I should have the boxes for everything and am checking, I will be sure before you send me money.
                                                                                                                          1.  5 - S Helper ore car set  GN Green  with box  Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels. Includes blue mountain redish color ore loads.  $160
                                                                                                                          2. SHS Bulkhead Flat 60403  with Pipe load  Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels.  $50
                                                                                                                          3. SHS  GN  TOFC flat and truck 60342   Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels  $50
                                                                                                                          4. 2  SHS hopper cars with loads  international harvester black  201, 572.  Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels  $65 pair
                                                                                                                          5. SHS  SW1 engine with DCC installed (no sound)  Southern Pacific. Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels  $200 -will check for scale wheels, knuckles.
                                                                                                                          6. Lionel Flyer Cylindrical hoppers  new in boxes  have 4.  Canada red, Canada Gov’t silver yellow, Alberta blue, Saskatchewan green.  All 4 $160,  $50 each.
                                                                                                                          7. 2 SHS  NdeM (Mexico) box cars  ( Gil Hulin Specials)  new in box  (I can include kadees) 72877 and 76809.  $45 each,  $80 pair
                                                                                                                          8. Lione Flyer SD70 engine like new in box, has been test run.  Works on AC, DC, DCC and Lionel Legacy.   $350
                                                                                                                          9. Smokey Mountain Models Kit  Southern Waffle side box car with trucks  $70
                                                                                                                          10. Smokey Mountain Models Kit  Seaboard Turtle back roofed boxcar no trucks  $60
                                                                                                                          11. Smokey Mountain Models Kit  B and O Wagontop Boxcar no trucks  $60
                                                                                                                          12. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box – Back alley #4  - new $129  Sell $110
                                                                                                                          13. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box –Rigsby Freight  new $89  sell  $75
                                                                                                                          14. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box – Toxic Terminal  new $89  sell $75
                                                                                                                          15. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box -  Back Alley #1 -  new $94,  sell $80
                                                                                                                          16. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box -  Building Blocks Series #1  new $114, sell 100
                                                                                                                          17. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box -  The Dump kit  new $45,  sell $40
                                                                                                                          18. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- 1950’s Café,  box opened but not touched,  sell $60
                                                                                                                          19. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Spanish style gas station, box opened but not touched,  sell $60
                                                                                                                          20. Pine Canyon Models  Parts – Wooden boxes of junk, roof turbines, piles of crates and 55 gallon drum sets.  About $60 new,  sell for $45
                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                          I would like to sell it all or in big groups but that is probably not realistic so make me an offer on any of this.

                                                                                                                          Shipping is extra,  All will be boxed well and insured.  I have not had a lost or broken package yet.

                                                                                                                          > Eric Reis
                                                                                                                          EricRhere@...
                                                                                                                          > Kenmore Wa. 98028
                                                                                                                          > NASG since 86, TCA since 87,  Ebay since 99 (almost  1100 positives)
                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                          > Paypal, Postal Money orders, Checks (held to clear) all work
                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76425 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/18/2015
                                                                                                                          Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 19 July 2015
                                                                                                                          Attachments :
                                                                                                                            "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                            When
                                                                                                                            Sunday, 19 July 2015
                                                                                                                            05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                            (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                            Where
                                                                                                                            http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                            Notes
                                                                                                                            SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76426 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/19/2015
                                                                                                                            Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 19 July 2015
                                                                                                                            Attachments :
                                                                                                                              "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                              When
                                                                                                                              Sunday, 19 July 2015
                                                                                                                              05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                              (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                              Where
                                                                                                                              http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                              Notes
                                                                                                                              SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76427 From: Malcolm Laughlin Date: 7/19/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Hiawatha observation
                                                                                                                              Another part of the junk car collection that I'm trying to sort out is a MILW style beaver tail parlor car.  IT has fluted sides, the sloped end and an attached observation railing.  It has Lionel trucks but doesn't look like anything in a Lionel pre-war catalog.  At the front is a spring shaft for attaching to the next car.  I can send a photo of the car later today.

                                                                                                                              Any idea as to this car's lineage ?
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Malcolm Laughlin,

                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76428 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 7/19/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: S Train Items for sale
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              peter pacha
                                                                                                                              6901 se 14th street lot 0
                                                                                                                              des moines, iowa  50320
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              lot 6 like to buy
                                                                                                                              and lot 8 is this a up engine?
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              -----Original Message-----
                                                                                                                              From: Eric ericrhere@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                              To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                              Sent: Sat, Jul 18, 2015 4:43 pm
                                                                                                                              Subject: [S-Trains] S Train Items for sale

                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              For Sale  July 2015

                                                                                                                              I have some more items to sell that I will not be using.  Rolling stock are all set up with high rail wheels and kadee couplers (or SHS version) unless marked new in box.  I do have some knuckles and scale wheels if you need them but you may have to be quick.  No short knuckles for Ore Cars.  Smokey Mountain and Pine Canyon are new as I received them. I see that most of the pine canyon stuff is long out of stock on their website but you can see pictures. I should have the boxes for everything and am checking, I will be sure before you send me money.
                                                                                                                              1.  5 - S Helper ore car set  GN Green  with box  Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels. Includes blue mountain redish color ore loads.  $160
                                                                                                                              2. SHS Bulkhead Flat 60403  with Pipe load  Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels.  $50
                                                                                                                              3. SHS  GN  TOFC flat and truck 60342   Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels  $50
                                                                                                                              4. 2  SHS hopper cars with loads  international harvester black  201, 572.  Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels  $65 pair
                                                                                                                              5. SHS  SW1 engine with DCC installed (no sound)  Southern Pacific. Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels  $200 -will check for scale wheels, knuckles.
                                                                                                                              6. Lionel Flyer Cylindrical hoppers  new in boxes  have 4.  Canada red, Canada Gov’t silver yellow, Alberta blue, Saskatchewan green.  All 4 $160,  $50 each.
                                                                                                                              7. 2 SHS  NdeM (Mexico) box cars  ( Gil Hulin Specials)  new in box  (I can include kadees) 72877 and 76809.  $45 each,  $80 pair
                                                                                                                              8. Lione Flyer SD70 engine like new in box, has been test run.  Works on AC, DC, DCC and Lionel Legacy.   $350
                                                                                                                              9. Smokey Mountain Models Kit  Southern Waffle side box car with trucks  $70
                                                                                                                              10. Smokey Mountain Models Kit  Seaboard Turtle back roofed boxcar no trucks  $60
                                                                                                                              11. Smokey Mountain Models Kit  B and O Wagontop Boxcar no trucks  $60
                                                                                                                              12. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box – Back alley #4  - new $129  Sell $110
                                                                                                                              13. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box –Rigsby Freight  new $89  sell  $75
                                                                                                                              14. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box – Toxic Terminal  new $89  sell $75
                                                                                                                              15. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box -  Back Alley #1 -  new $94,  sell $80
                                                                                                                              16. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box -  Building Blocks Series #1  new $114, sell 100
                                                                                                                              17. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box -  The Dump kit  new $45,  sell $40
                                                                                                                              18. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- 1950’s Café,  box opened but not touched,  sell $60
                                                                                                                              19. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Spanish style gas station, box opened but not touched,  sell $60
                                                                                                                              20. Pine Canyon Models  Parts – Wooden boxes of junk, roof turbines, piles of crates and 55 gallon drum sets.  About $60 new,  sell for $45
                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              I would like to sell it all or in big groups but that is probably not realistic so make me an offer on any of this.

                                                                                                                              Shipping is extra,  All will be boxed well and insured.  I have not had a lost or broken package yet.

                                                                                                                              > Eric Reis
                                                                                                                              EricRhere@...
                                                                                                                              > Kenmore Wa. 98028
                                                                                                                              > NASG since 86, TCA since 87,  Ebay since 99 (almost  1100 positives)
                                                                                                                              >
                                                                                                                              > Paypal, Postal Money orders, Checks (held to clear) all work
                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76429 From: Eric Date: 7/19/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: S Train Items for sale
                                                                                                                              You are #2 on these, I will let you know.

                                                                                                                              Thanks, Eric

                                                                                                                              On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Noplowboy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                              Cylindrical hoppers  no 6 like to buy
                                                                                                                              my zip 50320 can you send me invoice I can send usps moneyorder
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              -----Original Message-----
                                                                                                                              From: Eric ericrhere@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                              To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                              Sent: Sat, Jul 18, 2015 4:43 pm
                                                                                                                              Subject: [S-Trains] S Train Items for sale

                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              For Sale  July 2015

                                                                                                                              I have some more items to sell that I will not be using.  Rolling stock are all set up with high rail wheels and kadee couplers (or SHS version) unless marked new in box.  I do have some knuckles and scale wheels if you need them but you may have to be quick.  No short knuckles for Ore Cars.  Smokey Mountain and Pine Canyon are new as I received them. I see that most of the pine canyon stuff is long out of stock on their website but you can see pictures. I should have the boxes for everything and am checking, I will be sure before you send me money.
                                                                                                                              1.  5 - S Helper ore car set  GN Green  with box  Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels. Includes blue mountain redish color ore loads.  $160
                                                                                                                              2. SHS Bulkhead Flat 60403  with Pipe load  Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels.  $50
                                                                                                                              3. SHS  GN  TOFC flat and truck 60342   Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels  $50
                                                                                                                              4. 2  SHS hopper cars with loads  international harvester black  201, 572.  Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels  $65 pair
                                                                                                                              5. SHS  SW1 engine with DCC installed (no sound)  Southern Pacific. Kadees and high rail wheels only no knuckles or scale wheels  $200 -will check for scale wheels, knuckles.
                                                                                                                              6. Lionel Flyer Cylindrical hoppers  new in boxes  have 4.  Canada red, Canada Gov’t silver yellow, Alberta blue, Saskatchewan green.  All 4 $160,  $50 each.
                                                                                                                              7. 2 SHS  NdeM (Mexico) box cars  ( Gil Hulin Specials)  new in box  (I can include kadees) 72877 and 76809.  $45 each,  $80 pair
                                                                                                                              8. Lione Flyer SD70 engine like new in box, has been test run.  Works on AC, DC, DCC and Lionel Legacy.   $350
                                                                                                                              9. Smokey Mountain Models Kit  Southern Waffle side box car with trucks  $70
                                                                                                                              10. Smokey Mountain Models Kit  Seaboard Turtle back roofed boxcar no trucks  $60
                                                                                                                              11. Smokey Mountain Models Kit  B and O Wagontop Boxcar no trucks  $60
                                                                                                                              12. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box – Back alley #4  - new $129  Sell $110
                                                                                                                              13. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box –Rigsby Freight  new $89  sell  $75
                                                                                                                              14. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box – Toxic Terminal  new $89  sell $75
                                                                                                                              15. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box -  Back Alley #1 -  new $94,  sell $80
                                                                                                                              16. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box -  Building Blocks Series #1  new $114, sell 100
                                                                                                                              17. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Sealed new box -  The Dump kit  new $45,  sell $40
                                                                                                                              18. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- 1950’s Café,  box opened but not touched,  sell $60
                                                                                                                              19. Pine Canyon Models  Kit- Spanish style gas station, box opened but not touched,  sell $60
                                                                                                                              20. Pine Canyon Models  Parts – Wooden boxes of junk, roof turbines, piles of crates and 55 gallon drum sets.  About $60 new,  sell for $45
                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              I would like to sell it all or in big groups but that is probably not realistic so make me an offer on any of this.

                                                                                                                              Shipping is extra,  All will be boxed well and insured.  I have not had a lost or broken package yet.

                                                                                                                              > Eric Reis
                                                                                                                              EricRhere@...
                                                                                                                              > Kenmore Wa. 98028
                                                                                                                              > NASG since 86, TCA since 87,  Ebay since 99 (almost  1100 positives)
                                                                                                                              >
                                                                                                                              > Paypal, Postal Money orders, Checks (held to clear) all work


                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76430 From: Malcolm Laughlin Date: 7/19/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Fw: Yahoo Groups: Welcome to S-Trains. Visit today!
                                                                                                                              Hello to every one.  I'd like to introduce myself as a new member.



                                                                                                                              I'm one of those people who was given Lionel trains in the early post war era (1924 - 1949).  Aft er going to HO and being away from Lionel for 50 years, I'm now back to it, having begun with putting together my grandsons' first train set about two years ago. Through two model railroad clubs, I acquired a couple of collections with 100 or so pieces (plus track) and found that I enjoy renovating and selling them

                                                                                                                              I think of myself as a value added reseller of vintage trains.  I clean them up, take them apart and rebuild, rewire, oil and lubricate and put them on Ebay.    While doing that, I get to run all kinds of interesting equipment on my test layout.  So I always have an interesting collection of locos and cars, but ti's always changing.  You could call me a serial collector.

                                                                                                                              Along the way I've picked up a number of  American Flyer and Marx items.  I was amazed to have a roofless AF tower, that seemed like junk to me, bid up to $20.49 on Ebay.. Now I have bunch of Lionel, Marx and American Flyer cars that a former owner equipped with his own coupler design and painted in his own scheme.  I'm looking at how do I realize value from this junk.

                                                                                                                              Amongst this junk pile turned up a An AF 401 painted in the owners color scheme, silver bands along the running boards and on the cylinder ends and with the AF initials and name on the tender painted out and the number covered.I'm pondering restoring it.  I'll post more about that later.

                                                                                                                              Enough for now.  I'll post more now on specific topics.
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Malcolm Laughlin,
                                                                                                                              19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478 617-489-4383





                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76431 From: Malcolm Laughlin Date: 7/19/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Couplers.
                                                                                                                              I recently acquired a very odd collection of about 25 cars and locomotives of mixed Marx, American Flyer  Lionel and scratch-built tinplate trains  that has mixed trucks and uniform couplers apparently scratch built for the AF pattern.

                                                                                                                              I have a 401 2-4-4 that has a coupler on the tender that I've never seen before.  It is strip of sheet metal bent into a knuckle at one end with a bar to attach to the tender truck.  IT was painted in the owners color scheme, silver bands along the running boards and on the cylinder ends and with the AF initials and name on the tender painted out and the number covered.I'm pondering restoring it.  I'll post more about that later.

                                                                                                                              Is this is rare type of couple that was used only for a short time on O gauge pre-war AF ?  If you have Doyle's "Standard Catalog...", you can see that coupler type on the gondola car on the right hand page.

                                                                                                                              I'm thinking of restoring the locomotive, if it runs.  I see that I can get the AF decal for the tender, but I don't see how to restore the 401 under the cab or the AF initials on the boiler front.  Any ideas ?

                                                                                                                              Then there is the paint, looks like a lacquer.  Is there a way to strip a layer of paint that might reveal the original lettering.

                                                                                                                              I'm thinking of taking off the copper pieces and polishing them.  If I did that with metal polish, would I have something that looks original ?  I'm n not worried about detracting from collector value by restoring the locomotive cosmetically because it's such a mess that I don't think it would pass for a C-4.  But would buyers be interested in a 401 that looks almost like new except for the usual broken truck wheels.

                                                                                                                              I'd appreciate any comments that might be helpful in this restoration project..
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Malcolm Laughlin,

                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76432 From: henrykoshollek Date: 7/20/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Hiawatha observation
                                                                                                                              Can you photograph this car. Sounds like Oga . Lionell trucks. 1935 or 36? Tin plate?
                                                                                                                               Thanks, Hank Koshollek
                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76433 From: henrykoshollek Date: 7/20/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: 343 Tender frame and wheels...........
                                                                                                                              Does any one know of a source for operator quality tender Flyer
                                                                                                                              343 0-8-0 floor frame with wheels as I got stuck on E-bay purchase a while back. I need to know where to procure one to finish my model for my steamer. Not much luck as  to fit other tender frames to get it on the tracks. Just looking for some help. Hank Koshollek-
                                                                                                                              Stoughton Wi...


                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76434 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/20/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Welcome to S Trains

                                                                                                                              I like your title "serial collector."  I might be a "serial rebuilder" as I have been buying and rebuilding junk box American Flyer for about fifteen years now.  Few of my rebuilds have "American Flyer Lines" on them or are painted all black, so collectors don't like me.  I do more realistic paint jobs and decal for real railroads of the steam era, including my own fictional line.  When I worked in S gauge back in the seventies, EVERYONE did this as there was so little else available in S at the time.


                                                                                                                              I suspect that your prewar mystery trains are part of the earliest days of "model" railroading when it was common to try to turn toy trains into something more "prototypical."  It was common to repaint and re-letter toy trains and scratch build details to add to them.  Since trucks and couplers were so crude, some guys designed and tested their own and then re-equipped their rolling stock. Some even made their own track!


                                                                                                                              It was also the practice back then to scratch build rolling stock and even locomotives using trucks and couplers from toy trains.  At that time the rail was tall enough to use the oversize toy wheel flanges and this combination became known as "Hi-railing." 


                                                                                                                              All of this pre-war modeling activity has some historical significance, but there are few who appreciate the era when Model Railroading took it's first tentative steps.


                                                                                                                              Stumpy Stone in Ahia

                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76435 From: stephen.terni Date: 7/21/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: S Gaugian Back Issues

                                                                                                                              Hi All,

                                                                                                                              I would like to fill in some gaps in my collection of backup issues of S Gaugian magazines.  If anyone has

                                                                                                                              one or more of the following issues and would like to sell them, please contact me.  Thank you.

                                                                                                                              January, May, November 1993

                                                                                                                              May, July, November 1995

                                                                                                                              March, May, July 1997

                                                                                                                              January 1999


                                                                                                                              Steve in Houston

                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76436 From: Ted Walton Date: 7/21/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Reverse unit in a 285 tender
                                                                                                                              I'm trying to repair the reverse unit in the tender of a 285 engine.
                                                                                                                              The engine runs fine. But when I hook it up to the tender, no
                                                                                                                              response. I traced the problem (I think) to one of the copper
                                                                                                                              fingers that does not make contact on the reversing unit drum. The
                                                                                                                              question is how to bend it down without busting it. A couple of
                                                                                                                              gentile pushes does not work. It appears that the "housing" that
                                                                                                                              holds the fingers over the drum is held in place by a twisted tab on
                                                                                                                              each side of the housing. I could straighten the tabs, lift the unit
                                                                                                                              up, and then bend the copper finger down, and then replace the housing.


                                                                                                                              1. If one of these tabs breaks off, I'm in big trouble - maybe I
                                                                                                                              could wire the housing down with some twist tab to make a tight
                                                                                                                              fitting, but who knows?


                                                                                                                              2. Is this housing part available with the two copper fingers?


                                                                                                                              3 What about the whole reverse unit?


                                                                                                                              4. Any other ideas or suggestions?


                                                                                                                              Thanks,
                                                                                                                              Ted
                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76437 From: Richard Falzini Date: 7/21/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Thinking of selling a set
                                                                                                                              Currently thinking of selling a mint 5625T set with original set box and all other boxes.

                                                                                                                              All that is missing is the transformer that came with this set.

                                                                                                                              Currently asking  $1200.00

                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76438 From: R G Date: 7/21/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Reverse unit in a 285 tender
                                                                                                                              I have done this repair many times. Slowly with a good set of pliers straighten the tabs just far enough to remove the finger unit. I use a small screw driver to gently pry up the finger unit being very careful not to break the ends off.  Replacements  finger units are available from Port Line Hobbies. Additionally on e-bay are replacement reversing units.  Port Line Hobbies may also carry them.




                                                                                                                              On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:10 PM, "Ted Walton trwalton@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              I'm trying to repair the reverse unit in the tender of a 285 engine.
                                                                                                                              The engine runs fine. But when I hook it up to the tender, no
                                                                                                                              response. I traced the problem (I think) to one of the copper
                                                                                                                              fingers that does not make contact on the reversing unit drum. The
                                                                                                                              question is how to bend it down without busting it. A couple of
                                                                                                                              gentile pushes does not work. It appears that the "housing" that
                                                                                                                              holds the fingers over the drum is held in place by a twisted tab on
                                                                                                                              each side of the housing. I could straighten the tabs, lift the unit
                                                                                                                              up, and then bend the copper finger down, and then replace the housing.

                                                                                                                              1. If one of these tabs breaks off, I'm in big trouble - maybe I
                                                                                                                              could wire the housing down with some twist tab to make a tight
                                                                                                                              fitting, but who knows?

                                                                                                                              2. Is this housing part available with the two copper fingers?

                                                                                                                              3 What about the whole reverse unit?

                                                                                                                              4. Any other ideas or suggestions?

                                                                                                                              Thanks,
                                                                                                                              Ted



                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76439 From: rudypenne Date: 7/22/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: 343 Tender frame and wheels...........
                                                                                                                              How about the floor from a 930 caboose?You would need to convert the 343 to a DC can motor. Are you interested in selling the 343 as it is? The rev. is it mounted on the motor or was it in the tender?
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              In a message dated 7/20/2015 6:04:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                              Does any one know of a source for operator quality tender Flyer
                                                                                                                              343 0-8-0 floor frame with wheels as I got stuck on E-bay purchase a while back. I need to know where to procure one to finish my model for my steamer. Not much luck as  to fit other tender frames to get it on the tracks. Just looking for some help. Hank Koshollek-
                                                                                                                              Stoughton Wi...


                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76440 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/22/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: 343 tender frame and wheels

                                                                                                                              I rebuild a lot of junk box Flyer, so I've run across similar situations many times.  Finding tenders or parts for some Flyer stuff can be tough, the 0-8-0 and 0-6-0 steam switchers and the  old time "Franklin" 4-4-0 are among the hard to find ones. If you don't have to have the loco and tender original or collectable, there are options you might try.


                                                                                                                              Just to get the locomotive running, I have substituted a common plastic tender for the original short, metal tender for the 343.  (Mine had a badly damaged and cracked shell.)  If you have a good tender shell, the caboose idea can work, or you can shorten the floor/frame of the common plastic tender to go underneath your correct shell.  This has the mounting area for the reverse unit too.


                                                                                                                              A couple of times I ran into the problem of the floor/frame being too damaged or rusty to save, so I built my own floor.  I used basswood sheet for the frame/floor and 1/2x1/16 inch blocks for where the trucks and couplers had to mount.  I used American Models passenger car truck and couplers with electrical pick ups.  The electrical pick up was better and the tender rolled much easier.


                                                                                                                              Keep looking for an original, but in the meantime these possibilities will get the train running.


                                                                                                                              Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76441 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 7/22/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: 343 Tender frame and wheels...........
                                                                                                                              The lack of names on emails is becoming prevalent.  Why doesn't everyone put their names etc., after they write emails (as per suggested rules)?  I may never get to visit you, but I do get some idea of what your are interested in and what you are doing.
                                                                                                                              tx
                                                                                                                              Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

                                                                                                                              On 7/22/2015 05:17, anormal1@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                              How about the floor from a 930 caboose?You would need to convert the 343 to a DC can motor. Are you interested in selling the 343 as it is? The rev. is it mounted on the motor or was it in the tender?
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              In a message dated 7/20/2015 6:04:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                              Does any one know of a source for operator quality tender Flyer
                                                                                                                              343 0-8-0 floor frame with wheels as I got stuck on E-bay purchase a while back. I need to know where to procure one to finish my model for my steamer. Not much luck as  to fit other tender frames to get it on the tracks. Just looking for some help. Hank Koshollek-
                                                                                                                              Stoughton Wi...






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                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76442 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/22/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Reverse unit in a 285 tender
                                                                                                                              I have a box of reversing units available. One of the guys in our club converted all his engines to DCC.



                                                                                                                              On Jul 21, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Ted Walton trwalton@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                              I'm trying to repair the reverse unit in the tender of a 285 engine.
                                                                                                                              The engine runs fine. But when I hook it up to the tender, no
                                                                                                                              response. I traced the problem (I think) to one of the copper
                                                                                                                              fingers that does not make contact on the reversing unit drum. The
                                                                                                                              question is how to bend it down without busting it. A couple of
                                                                                                                              gentile pushes does not work. It appears that the "housing" that
                                                                                                                              holds the fingers over the drum is held in place by a twisted tab on
                                                                                                                              each side of the housing. I could straighten the tabs, lift the unit
                                                                                                                              up, and then bend the copper finger down, and then replace the housing.

                                                                                                                              1. If one of these tabs breaks off, I'm in big trouble - maybe I
                                                                                                                              could wire the housing down with some twist tab to make a tight
                                                                                                                              fitting, but who knows?

                                                                                                                              2. Is this housing part available with the two copper fingers?

                                                                                                                              3 What about the whole reverse unit?

                                                                                                                              4. Any other ideas or suggestions?

                                                                                                                              Thanks,
                                                                                                                              Ted

                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76443 From: wjgill1 Date: 7/22/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Reverse unit in a 285 tender
                                                                                                                              Ted,

                                                                                                                              You are headed in the right direction. Go ahead and carefully straighten the tabs holding down the reversing finger board. Lift the board up and bend the fingers. If you want to see this done, Tom Barker has a video doing this. You can probably find the video by doing a search globally on Google or on, I think, You Tube. As mentioned by others, repro finger assemblies are available from several sources if you break off a finger. Depending on how they are sold, singly or in pairs, note that the two finger boards on a reversing unit are different and need to go in the proper location as found. The are fragile but not necessarily brittle, just don't get carried away bending them. It just takes a light touch. Good Luck

                                                                                                                              Bill
                                                                                                                              Kelso, WA
                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76444 From: wyoaf Date: 7/22/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Reverse unit in a 285 tender
                                                                                                                              What has worked for me on several American Flyer E Unit drums is to apply a few drops of Railzip2 conductivity enhancer.  Rotate the drum to spread the liquid on the brass portions and fingers, then let it sit for a day or two.  The E-Unit will "heal" itself and electricity will flow, eliminating the need to take apart a mechanism that was never really intended to be disassembled in the first place.
                                                                                                                              John Davis Noblesville IN
                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76445 From: traindavid Date: 7/22/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Reverse unit in a 285 tender
                                                                                                                              Ted,
                                                                                                                              You are correct, the fiber board with the fingers on it must be lifted
                                                                                                                              away from the drum to push it down to re-establish the spring tension. While
                                                                                                                              you are in there, look to see if a hole has been worn into the finger, it's
                                                                                                                              common. If so, then a replacement set of fingers is called for. Be aware
                                                                                                                              there are variations in the quality & fit of the fingers. I can't tell you
                                                                                                                              who has the "good ones", but I have usually had to rebend the curve in the
                                                                                                                              finger as well as the sharp bend so the finger lands in the correct location
                                                                                                                              on the drum. Do be careful with the tab, they're pretty rugged, and they
                                                                                                                              don't need to be bent as much to hold the fingers in place when you finish
                                                                                                                              (so the next time you're in there, you don't have to "unbend" them as much.
                                                                                                                              I cheat her, as I have a piano regulation tool that fits right over the tab
                                                                                                                              and makes straightening them a breeze. I was thinking of selling them for
                                                                                                                              just that, but the price was too high, I'm told. (I forget what it was going
                                                                                                                              to be, something over $15 I think). One other issue common with replacement
                                                                                                                              fingers, is for some reason they can't seem to get the slots in the board
                                                                                                                              or the tabs on the fingers to line up so the fingers are straight. I
                                                                                                                              usually have to "tweak" that a little. Oh, before I forget, don't solder the
                                                                                                                              wire onto the fingers with the fingers against the drum, bad things can
                                                                                                                              happen, the least of which is loss of spring tension against the drum.
                                                                                                                              David D.
                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76446 From: Ted Walton Date: 7/22/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Digest Number 6806

                                                                                                                              Thanks for the suggestions and encouragements for the repair and removable of the ‘housing” that holds the two copper fingers down on the drum unit. I straightened the two tabs with no problem, removed the finger unit, bent the copper finger down so it would made contact with the drum and reinstalled, with both fingers making contact with the drum. 

                                                                                                                              Now the bad news. As I said before, the engine runs fine not connected to the tender (shorted the two inter plugs holes in the engine, and applied voltage to the two outer plugs and engine runs).

                                                                                                                              But when I connect to the tender, the engine and light still do not fire up. Totally dead.

                                                                                                                              The wiring inside of the tender is complex. There is not only the reverse unit but the horn ( that works) that is connected to the reverse unit also. Also when I first opened the tender up, I found one of the four wires coming from the tender plug was not connected. Tracing the circuit, the wire was from one of the outside plugs and I soldered it to the reverse unit connection next to the other connection for the other outside plug. These two connections are on top, left(?) side of the reverse unit. The two middle wires from the plug are wired at the bottom (right?) side of the reverse unit. Using an ohm meter, none of the 4 connections are shorted between each other.

                                                                                                                              I noticed the following problem earlier in that the reverse unit keeps on being energized (buzzing) when power is applied to the opposite wheels on the tender to test. I original though that might have been caused by the one finger not making contact to the drum. The drum cycles very well when making and breaking contact power - but the solenoid stays energized while power is applied (which of course) will be the case when running).It seems to me that the solenoid should break the circuit somehow after the initial energizing - the bottom line is I just cant determine how this solenoid is  suppose to work and no power is getting to the engine. Maybe two different problems or related?.

                                                                                                                              Sorry to add this complication, but any more input would be appreciated.
                                                                                                                              Also I get the S-Trains by digest format ( that is just once a day, so sometimes there may be a day or two to respond to suggestions.
                                                                                                                              Ted

                                                                                                                              At 04:43 AM 7/22/2015, you wrote:

                                                                                                                              Re: Reverse unit in a 285 tender



                                                                                                                              Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by:



                                                                                                                              "R G" keyhole_corona





                                                                                                                              I have done this repair many times. Slowly with a good set of pliers straighten the tabs just far enough to remove the finger unit. I use a small screw driver to gently pry up the finger unit being very careful not to break the ends off.

                                                                                                                              On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:10 PM, "Ted Walton trwalton@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                I'm trying to repair the reverse unit in the tender of a 285 engine.
                                                                                                                              The engine runs fine. But when I hook it up to the tender, no
                                                                                                                              response. I traced the problem (I think) to one of the copper
                                                                                                                              fingers that does not make contact on the reversing unit drum. The
                                                                                                                              question is how to bend it down without busting it. A couple of
                                                                                                                              gentile pushes does not work. It appears that the "housing" that
                                                                                                                              holds the fingers over the drum is held in place by a twisted tab on
                                                                                                                              each side of the housing. I could straighten the tabs, lift the unit
                                                                                                                              up, and then bend the copper finger down, and then replace the housing.
                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76447 From: henrykoshollek Date: 7/22/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: 343 Tender frame and wheels...........
                                                                                                                              HAy guys I'm set. Abig thanks. A great friend came across with a great frame for 343. I'm set and It will only go one way . Thanks and yes I finally learned to signed my name. Be on guard when bidding on Ebay....... Hank.....
                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76448 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/23/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Name Game

                                                                                                                              I agree with Rance that everyone should put their name at the end of a post.  It's a courtesy at the least.  And as it has been here, it is supposed to be "required" on every site I go to, but often is not.  At least a first name or "handle" should end each post.  


                                                                                                                              Most likely the lack of a name is because the poster doesn't know they need to sign posts, or is in a hurry and forgets to sign.  However, there have been a LOT of times that the poster is a SPAMMER or hacker, or wants to cause trouble, and the required signing of posts helps to identify the culprits and weed them out.  I've seen this happen time and again on a well known narrow gauge Yahoo Group.


                                                                                                                              I sign "Stumpy in Ahia" or "Stumpy Stone" to my posts.  "Stumpy" is a nickname given me by my 7th grade Science teacher/football coach way back in 1963!  Not the most attractive nickname to be sure, but I started using it as a "pen name" or when I did radio or auto race announcing.  Today, VERY few people even know my given name of Terry, so I continue to use my long time nick name.


                                                                                                                              As for "Ahia," that's the way everyone pronounces Ohio in this area of Eastern Ohio because this is on the edge of the Appalachian Mountain chain, and right across the river from West Virginia..


                                                                                                                              Terry "Stumpy" Stone, Martins Ferry, Ohio



                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76449 From: mike gardner Date: 7/23/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Digest Number 6806
                                                                                                                              Try hooking a AC voltmeter between the front coupler on the tender and a good ground on engine body. If it arcs or you read voltage you have a short probably in the tender wiring. This should be done on a test track with the transformer set at a low voltage at about 8 volts. Check the position of of the truck wheel sometimes the metal wheels are placed on the wrong sides on the front and rear trucks. Just look at a running engine to find the proper positions. Please email me and I will try to explain any questions you have. Mike at tamerlane_46@...



                                                                                                                              On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 7:31 PM, "Ted Walton trwalton@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                              Thanks for the suggestions and encouragements for the repair and removable of the housing that holds the two copper fingers down on the drum unit. I straightened the two tabs with no problem, removed the finger unit, bent the copper finger down so it would made contact with the drum and reinstalled, with both fingers making contact with the drum. 

                                                                                                                              Now the bad news. As I said before, the engine runs fine not connected to the tender (shorted the two inter plugs holes in the engine, and applied voltage to the two outer plugs and engine runs).

                                                                                                                              But when I connect to the tender, the engine and light still do not fire up. Totally dead.

                                                                                                                              The wiring inside of the tender is complex. There is not only the reverse unit but the horn ( that works) that is connected to the reverse unit also. Also when I first opened the tender up, I found one of the four wires coming from the tender plug was not connected. Tracing the circuit, the wire was from one of the outside plugs and I soldered it to the reverse unit connection next to the other connection for the other outside plug. These two connections are on top, left(?) side of the reverse unit. The two middle wires from the plug are wired at the bottom (right?) side of the reverse unit. Using an ohm meter, none of the 4 connections are shorted between each other.

                                                                                                                              I noticed the following problem earlier in that the reverse unit keeps on being energized (buzzing) when power is applied to the opposite wheels on the tender to test. I original though that might have been caused by the one finger not making contact to the drum. The drum cycles very well when making and breaking contact power - but the solenoid stays energized while power is applied (which of course) will be the case when running).It seems to me that the solenoid should break the circuit somehow after the initial energizing - the bottom line is I just cant determine how this solenoid is  suppose to work and no power is getting to the engine. Maybe two different problems or related?.

                                                                                                                              Sorry to add this complication, but any more input would be appreciated.
                                                                                                                              Also I get the S-Trains by digest format ( that is just once a day, so sometimes there may be a day or two to respond to suggestions.
                                                                                                                              Ted

                                                                                                                              At 04:43 AM 7/22/2015, you wrote:

                                                                                                                              Re: Reverse unit in a 285 tender



                                                                                                                              Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by:



                                                                                                                              "R G" keyhole_corona





                                                                                                                              I have done this repair many times. Slowly with a good set of pliers straighten the tabs just far enough to remove the finger unit. I use a small screw driver to gently pry up the finger unit being very careful not to break the ends off.

                                                                                                                              On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:10 PM, "Ted Walton trwalton@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                I'm trying to repair the reverse unit in the tender of a 285 engine.
                                                                                                                              The engine runs fine. But when I hook it up to the tender, no
                                                                                                                              response. I traced the problem (I think) to one of the copper
                                                                                                                              fingers that does not make contact on the reversing unit drum. The
                                                                                                                              question is how to bend it down without busting it. A couple of
                                                                                                                              gentile pushes does not work. It appears that the "housing" that
                                                                                                                              holds the fingers over the drum is held in place by a twisted tab on
                                                                                                                              each side of the housing. I could straighten the tabs, lift the unit
                                                                                                                              up, and then bend the copper finger down, and then replace the housing.


                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76450 From: traindavid Date: 7/23/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Ted's 285 problems
                                                                                                                              Hi Ted,
                                                                                                                              New to this, eh? (jesting!). The reverse unit coils is always "on" when
                                                                                                                              power is applied, it's designed that way. The very flexible wires that
                                                                                                                              connect the reverse unit to the locomotive (sounds like you might have one
                                                                                                                              with a plug to connect it to the tender?) can break in their middle, with
                                                                                                                              the insulation still good, so you don't see it. Time for an ohm meter. With
                                                                                                                              NO POWER to the unit, test each wire for continuity. There are wiring
                                                                                                                              diagrams available online. Yes, some are hard to follow. Be aware there is a
                                                                                                                              5 wire version, with a 5th wire soldered to the top rivet on the locomotive
                                                                                                                              receptacle board. This wire provides full track current to the smoke unit &
                                                                                                                              headlight for "instant smoke." These units have a red paint dab on the plug
                                                                                                                              and receptacle that have to match up, as plugged in upside down, it won't
                                                                                                                              run. I know this is frustrating, but take your time & you will persevere!
                                                                                                                              Even those of us who have repaired AF locos for a long time sometimes have
                                                                                                                              "unsolvable" problems that eventually reveal their cause, like the wire
                                                                                                                              broken inside the insulation. You can use the ohm meter to check that the
                                                                                                                              fingers are making good contact with the drum too. Let us know how it goes!
                                                                                                                              David D.
                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76451 From: Malcolm Laughlin Date: 7/23/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Hiawatha observation
                                                                                                                              Attachments :
                                                                                                                              I'll try using the snipping tool to paste into this email from a jpeg image.  Here it is. 

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                                                                                                                              Malcolm Laughlin,
                                                                                                                              19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478 617-489-4383
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                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76452 From: Malcolm Laughlin Date: 7/23/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Welcome to S Trains
                                                                                                                              I think you've put your finger on the essence of this situation.

                                                                                                                              Our HO club, which does many shows, is the local dumping ground for people who have old toy trains and don't know what do do with them.  I've concluded that what I have is the work of one of those tinplate scratch builders.  From just one car with the whole road name, I know he called it the Bellefonte Central.  It's a grey green and red color scheme.There are what would have been collectible Marx SF AA f-3's with a grey stripe and a red and green diamond where the warbonnet should be.

                                                                                                                              There a few of that curly type AF couplers that are genuine and many obvious reproductions cut from tin plate.

                                                                                                                              Malcolm Laughlin,

                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76453 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/24/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Ted's 285 problems
                                                                                                                              Continuity checking like that works fine where you can clearly see that one end of the wire is free and not attached to anything else. I've gotten caught a couple of times, however, checking the continuity from point A to point B, only to realize that there are two electrical paths between point A and point B. The resistance in the E-unit coil, field, armature, horn/whistle, and headlight are small and my ancient, cheap meter isn't accurate enough to distinguish between them and a zero-resistance wire.



                                                                                                                              On Jul 23, 2015, at 9:49 AM, djdewey@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                              Hi Ted,
                                                                                                                              New to this, eh? (jesting!). The reverse unit coils is always "on" when
                                                                                                                              power is applied, it's designed that way. The very flexible wires that
                                                                                                                              connect the reverse unit to the locomotive (sounds like you might have one
                                                                                                                              with a plug to connect it to the tender?) can break in their middle, with
                                                                                                                              the insulation still good, so you don't see it. Time for an ohm meter. With
                                                                                                                              NO POWER to the unit, test each wire for continuity. There are wiring
                                                                                                                              diagrams available online. Yes, some are hard to follow. Be aware there is a
                                                                                                                              5 wire version, with a 5th wire soldered to the top rivet on the locomotive
                                                                                                                              receptacle board. This wire provides full track current to the smoke unit &
                                                                                                                              headlight for "instant smoke." These units have a red paint dab on the plug
                                                                                                                              and receptacle that have to match up, as plugged in upside down, it won't
                                                                                                                              run. I know this is frustrating, but take your time & you will persevere!
                                                                                                                              Even those of us who have repaired AF locos for a long time sometimes have
                                                                                                                              "unsolvable" problems that eventually reveal their cause, like the wire
                                                                                                                              broken inside the insulation. You can use the ohm meter to check that the
                                                                                                                              fingers are making good contact with the drum too. Let us know how it goes!
                                                                                                                              David D.

                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76454 From: traindavid Date: 7/24/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Those 1960s "customizers"
                                                                                                                              Malcolm wrote:


                                                                                                                              "Our HO club, which does many shows, is the local dumping ground for people
                                                                                                                              who have old toy trains and don't know what do do with them. I've concluded
                                                                                                                              that what I have is the work of one of those tinplate scratch builders.
                                                                                                                              From just one car with the whole road name, I know he called it the
                                                                                                                              Bellefonte Central. It's a grey green and red color scheme.There are what
                                                                                                                              would have been collectible Marx SF AA f-3's with a grey stripe and a red
                                                                                                                              and green diamond where the warbonnet should be.
                                                                                                                              There a few of that curly type AF couplers that are genuine and many obvious
                                                                                                                              reproductions cut from tin plate."


                                                                                                                              Yes a lot of folks (me included) back then had no money, but the old AF
                                                                                                                              stuff was readily available, often for free, so, it was used to make "other
                                                                                                                              stuff". I once bought a heavyweight set that was heavily repainted, I think
                                                                                                                              with a house paint brush! While stripping it, I noticed it was originally
                                                                                                                              green AND 5 digit numbers! I know, that kind of animal wasn't supposed to
                                                                                                                              exist, but there it was & If I'd known then what I know now, I would have
                                                                                                                              tried even harder to save the original paint (this was back in 1977 or so),
                                                                                                                              but it was pretty badly worked over, and the ends were cut to fit rubber
                                                                                                                              diaphragms (pretty neat looking ones at that).
                                                                                                                              Another time, much more recent (only 15 years ago! :) ) I bought some
                                                                                                                              freight cars, mostly untouched and in good operating condition, except this
                                                                                                                              caboose. Hmm, terrible Milwaukee paint job on it, but gee, the base has a
                                                                                                                              light bulb riveted to it and a "to replace bulb" sticker on it. Yep, that
                                                                                                                              unusual Late 930 caboose--of all the cars he had, he had to repaint that
                                                                                                                              one! Nope, I haven't stripped it, still trying to figure out a way to save
                                                                                                                              it. . . .
                                                                                                                              Ya gotta remember, they were just TOYS at the time. (Hey, they still are
                                                                                                                              toys!!--but we won't go there! :) )
                                                                                                                              S'
                                                                                                                              David Dewey
                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76455 From: Tom Hawley Date: 7/24/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Electrical Pick-up
                                                                                                                              A fellow club member just phoned and reported a problem with a Lionel steam loco losing power going thru an American Models turnout at slow speed.  He says as far as he can determine, the engine gets power only thru its trailing truck, so the problem is probably happening at the plastic frog point.  There is no electrical connection between engine and tender of the locomotive.
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Is there a solution for this, other than running it faster?
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan
                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76456 From: Ray Puls Date: 7/24/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: 285 problems
                                                                                                                              Ted,
                                                                                                                              David is right on the wires from the tender to the engine are a very
                                                                                                                              common problem, you can check continuity with the ohm-meter from the
                                                                                                                              wire ends in the tender to the plug.
                                                                                                                              Ray
                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76457 From: carl4flyer Date: 7/24/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
                                                                                                                              Tom,
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Here is a fix for the AM turnout frog that will help.
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Carl


                                                                                                                              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                              Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 12:33 PM
                                                                                                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                              Subject: [S-Trains] Electrical Pick-up

                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                              A fellow club member just phoned and reported a problem with a Lionel steam loco losing power going thru an American Models turnout at slow speed.  He says as far as he can determine, the engine gets power only thru its trailing truck, so the problem is probably happening at the plastic frog point.  There is no electrical connection between engine and tender of the locomotive.
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Is there a solution for this, other than running it faster?
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan

                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76458 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 7/24/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
                                                                                                                              Why not ruin a wire to the tender to pick up power?



                                                                                                                              On Friday, July 24, 2015 8:20 PM, "carl@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Tom,
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Here is a fix for the AM turnout frog that will help.
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Carl


                                                                                                                              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                              Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 12:33 PM
                                                                                                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                              Subject: [S-Trains] Electrical Pick-up

                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              A fellow club member just phoned and reported a problem with a Lionel steam loco losing power going thru an American Models turnout at slow speed.  He says as far as he can determine, the engine gets power only thru its trailing truck, so the problem is probably happening at the plastic frog point.  There is no electrical connection between engine and tender of the locomotive.
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Is there a solution for this, other than running it faster?
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan


                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76459 From: carl4flyer Date: 7/24/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
                                                                                                                              Tom
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              What loco is he having trouble with.
                                                                                                                              No Lionel Loco I know of used only the trailing truck for power.
                                                                                                                              The drivers also picked up power. 
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Carl 

                                                                                                                              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                              Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 12:33 PM
                                                                                                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                              Subject: [S-Trains] Electrical Pick-up

                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              A fellow club member just phoned and reported a problem with a Lionel steam loco losing power going thru an American Models turnout at slow speed.  He says as far as he can determine, the engine gets power only thru its trailing truck, so the problem is probably happening at the plastic frog point.  There is no electrical connection between engine and tender of the locomotive.
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Is there a solution for this, other than running it faster?
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan


                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76460 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 7/25/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
                                                                                                                              I too know of no steam locomotive model picking up power from the trailing truck only. Every one I ever had picked up power from the tender trucks and drivers. One side was the hot side and the other was ground. That however is in a DC system. The same principal applies to AC systems. One side picks up power the other side sends it back.That's the easiest way I can explain it cause I'm no electrical engineer.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Kalispell, MT
                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76461 From: JOHN RUTH Date: 7/25/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Lionel Abassador Club
                                                                                                                              Lionel has selected several S gauge clubs to be in their Lionel Ambassador Club program to promote Lionel products. The ACSG/Carolina Div. is one of the clubs chosen to participate. Since the Lionel web page dos not list these clubs, does anyone know of other clubs participating in this program.
                                                                                                                              Jack Ruth
                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76462 From: traindavid Date: 7/25/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Ted's 285 problems
                                                                                                                              Bob G. wrote; "Continuity checking like that works fine where you can
                                                                                                                              clearly see that one end of the wire is free and not attached to anything
                                                                                                                              else. I've gotten caught a couple of times, however, checking the continuity
                                                                                                                              from point A to point B, only to realize that there are two electrical paths
                                                                                                                              between point A and point B. The resistance in the E-unit coil, field,
                                                                                                                              armature, horn/whistle, and headlight are small and my ancient, cheap meter
                                                                                                                              isn't accurate enough to distinguish between them and a zero-resistance
                                                                                                                              wire.


                                                                                                                              Very true, you can't accurately measure across a wire connected to other
                                                                                                                              "stuff" (although any meter should be able to read a smoke unit at ~40
                                                                                                                              ohms--I use a cheap one too!), but my suggestion, probably not clearly
                                                                                                                              stated, was with the plug unplugged, so the wire is just from the plug to
                                                                                                                              the reverse unit (or the truck rivet for one of the wires). Do check the
                                                                                                                              reading you get with just the test leads connected to each other, as many
                                                                                                                              digital meters do not "zero" and you have to subtract that number from your
                                                                                                                              readings to be completely accurate--however, few of the readings we take on
                                                                                                                              our trains need to be that accurate. A bad wire will read nothing or on some
                                                                                                                              meters, "out of range" Flex the wire while you are reading it, I've had one
                                                                                                                              that read fine until I bent it a bit (like going around a curve)--that one
                                                                                                                              drove me crazy for a while, loco would run fine on test stand, but not
                                                                                                                              around a track! OK, guys, I know I'm still crazy & I blame it on the
                                                                                                                              trains!!
                                                                                                                              :)
                                                                                                                              S'
                                                                                                                              David D.
                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76463 From: traindavid Date: 7/25/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Something you might not want on your layout. . . .
                                                                                                                              This might be a funny billboard, but difficult to explain to the young'uns
                                                                                                                              (found on an eBay auction).
                                                                                                                              http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mJ8eRKSOqdFl78sxQPz_Y8Q.jpg


                                                                                                                              S'
                                                                                                                              David D.
                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76464 From: Tom Hawley Date: 7/25/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                                              From: danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]
                                                                                                                              I too know of no steam locomotive model picking up power from the trailing truck only. Every one I ever had picked up power from the tender trucks and drivers. . . . . . . . .
                                                                                                                              > > > > > > >
                                                                                                                              > >
                                                                                                                              I found it hard to believe too when he told me this over the phone.  It's a new Lionel, and he claims there's no wire between engine & tender.  But he's going to bring it to our next get-together, next week I hope, and when I can really see and touch it I will know a lot more.  Stand by for developments.
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              I like Mr T's system of electrifying the frog point.
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              tom Hawley  --  Lasnsing Michigan
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76465 From: Rick Evans Date: 7/25/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Something you might not want on your layout. . . .
                                                                                                                              LOL



                                                                                                                              On Jul 25, 2015, at 10:26 AM, djdewey@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                              This might be a funny billboard, but difficult to explain to the young'uns
                                                                                                                              (found on an eBay auction).
                                                                                                                              http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mJ8eRKSOqdFl78sxQPz_Y8Q.jpg

                                                                                                                              S'
                                                                                                                              David D.


                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76466 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/25/2015
                                                                                                                              Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 26 July 2015
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                                                                                                                                When
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                                                                                                                                (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                Where
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                                                                                                                                Notes
                                                                                                                                SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76467 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/26/2015
                                                                                                                                Subject: Something you might not want on your layout.

                                                                                                                                I don't know about not wanting it.  It's on a BILLBOARD after all.  On the other hand, youngsters might ask embarrassing questions.


                                                                                                                                I had similar situation with one of my On30 Micro layouts.  As  joke, I put a naked woman figure on the second floor of a hotel.  I didn't realize it at the time, but the layout sits on a folding table which puts it at eye level for kids.  Many of the adult modelers at shows completely missed that figure in the window, but darn few kids did!  It shows how much more observant kids are!


                                                                                                                                After that I would "hide" dinosaurs or other things on the layouts to see who was really looking at them.  I started to be amazed at how "jaded" people had become.  They look, but they do not see.  But kids found the "hidden treasures" every time!


                                                                                                                                Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76468 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/26/2015
                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Electrical pick up

                                                                                                                                I'd like to know about this loco as well.  I worked part time at a hobby shop for twenty years which was an "Official Lionel Service Station" and never ran across this situation.  Generally the Lionel O gauge three rail locos picked up power with the drivers, only the "AF repops" used tender pick ups or those slides (in more recent years replaced by those nifty little rollers) on the diesels.  However, the shop closed down so I have no idea what is being done today.  But as hard as it can be to get good power from rails that tend to get dusty and dirty, NOBODY in their right mind would rely on just trailing truck wheels to pick up power.  


                                                                                                                                Carl's solution to AM switches is right on the spot.  A common problem in HO and On30 is small locomotives with a driver wheelbase too short to make it across unpowered switch frogs without stalling at low speed.  In these scales, Peco Electrofrog turnouts are the "hot set up." because of their powered frogs.  They are also wired for "power routing" and are spring loaded so that switch throws and extra wiring is not needed.  Even an 0-4-0 tank engine can "crawl" though a switch with a powered frog.


                                                                                                                                Stumpy in Ahia





                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76469 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/26/2015
                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Lionel Abassador Club
                                                                                                                                No I don't, but I'm curious to know how a club get selected and what the benefits/obligations of membership are.



                                                                                                                                On Jul 25, 2015, at 8:20 AM, JOHN RUTH afdinger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                Lionel has selected several S gauge clubs to be in their Lionel Ambassador Club program to promote Lionel products. The ACSG/Carolina Div. is one of the clubs chosen to participate. Since the Lionel web page dos not list these clubs, does anyone know of other clubs participating in this program.
                                                                                                                                Jack Ruth

                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76470 From: Carey Probst Date: 7/26/2015
                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Something you might not want on your layout.
                                                                                                                                It took almost 5 years for my wife to realize that my sons had put a Yoda and I put a Figment in her Christmas display.

                                                                                                                                If I figure out where to put a layout it has to have both plus a bunch of beavers (college mascot)

                                                                                                                                Carey Probst

                                                                                                                                On 7/26/2015 9:49 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                I don't know about not wanting it.  It's on a BILLBOARD after all.  On the other hand, youngsters might ask embarrassing questions.


                                                                                                                                I had similar situation with one of my On30 Micro layouts.  As  joke, I put a naked woman figure on the second floor of a hotel.  I didn't realize it at the time, but the layout sits on a folding table which puts it at eye level for kids.  Many of the adult modelers at shows completely missed that figure in the window, but darn few kids did!  It shows how much more observant kids are!


                                                                                                                                After that I would "hide" dinosaurs or other things on the layouts to see who was really looking at them.  I started to be amazed at how "jaded" people had become.  They look, but they do not see.  But kids found the "hidden treasures" every time!


                                                                                                                                Stumpy in Ahia





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                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76471 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/26/2015
                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
                                                                                                                                I vaguely recall having a problem like that with one of the early Mikados. As I recall, I opened it up and found the pick up wire for the drivers disconnected.



                                                                                                                                On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:03 PM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                I too know of no steam locomotive model picking up power from the trailing truck only. Every one I ever had picked up power from the tender trucks and drivers. One side was the hot side and the other was ground. That however is in a DC system. The same principal applies to AC systems. One side picks up power the other side sends it back.That's the easiest way I can explain it cause I'm no electrical engineer.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                             Kalispell, MT

                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76472 From: traindavid Date: 7/26/2015
                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
                                                                                                                                Actually, I can't think of a Flyonel locomotive that picks up locomotive
                                                                                                                                power from the tender, except MAYBE the Northern re-do's. I don't have an
                                                                                                                                assortment in front of me to look at, but usually they have a "wireless"
                                                                                                                                connection sending signals, but not power to mate sound effects. I remember
                                                                                                                                noting one that picked up power from the lead truck and the trailing truck,
                                                                                                                                perhaps there is a broken wire causing this problem?
                                                                                                                                While I like a lof of the new stuff, I don't know what I will do when it
                                                                                                                                breaks down--I can fix the ACG stuff & it will likely run for the next 50
                                                                                                                                years (in 50 years what will we be using for electrical power??)
                                                                                                                                S'
                                                                                                                                David D.
                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76473 From: Anthony Cynor Date: 7/26/2015
                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Something you might not want on your layout. . . .
                                                                                                                                ACE Is the place!
                                                                                                                                Must be diversifying.


                                                                                                                                Tony
                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76474 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 7/26/2015
                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Something you might not want on your layout. . . .
                                                                                                                                You've got to be kidding, right? Talk about the "thought police"!


                                                                                                                                First off, it is (even to those who "get it") only a very innocent play on words. Ace DOES sell screws, after all (and that is all that need be said to small kids).


                                                                                                                                Sadly, several generations of kids have been exposed to far, far worse. No kid old enough to understand the double-entendre is going to be corrupted by it.


                                                                                                                                Dick Hosmer




                                                                                                                                On Jul 25, 2015, at 10:26 AM, djdewey@... [S-Trains] wrote:


                                                                                                                                > This might be a funny billboard, but difficult to explain to the young'uns
                                                                                                                                > (found on an eBay auction).
                                                                                                                                > http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mJ8eRKSOqdFl78sxQPz_Y8Q.jpg
                                                                                                                                >
                                                                                                                                >
                                                                                                                                > S'
                                                                                                                                > David D.
                                                                                                                                >
                                                                                                                                >
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                                                                                                                                > Posted by: <djdewey@...>
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                                                                                                                                >
                                                                                                                                > Enjoy thousands of great photos
                                                                                                                                > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/
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                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76475 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/26/2015
                                                                                                                                Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 26 July 2015
                                                                                                                                Attachments :
                                                                                                                                  "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                  When
                                                                                                                                  Sunday, 26 July 2015
                                                                                                                                  05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                  (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                  Where
                                                                                                                                  http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                  Notes
                                                                                                                                  SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76476 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 7/26/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Something you might not want on your layout.

                                                                                                                                  Not nearly so bad as the Piece O’ Pizza restaurant on Pico Boulevard in West Los Angeles who all through the 1970s and 1980s proudly displayed a large sign:  

                                                                                                                                  “Piece O’ Pizza

                                                                                                                                  Had a piece lately?”

                                                                                                                                  Alas, someone made them take down the sign years before the original store closed. 

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  A few blocks further east on Pico was Ginter’s Cleaners.   The sign at the drop-off window in the alley behind the store read: “Ladies who come by and drop their clothes will get prompt attention”.

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  Jerry F.

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                  Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 6:50 AM
                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Something you might not want on your layout.

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  I don't know about not wanting it.  It's on a BILLBOARD after all.  On the other hand, youngsters might ask embarrassing questions.

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  I had similar situation with one of my On30 Micro layouts.  As  joke, I put a naked woman figure on the second floor of a hotel.  I didn't realize it at the time, but the layout sits on a folding table which puts it at eye level for kids.  Many of the adult modelers at shows completely missed that figure in the window, but darn few kids did!  It shows how much more observant kids are!

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  After that I would "hide" dinosaurs or other things on the layouts to see who was really looking at them.  I started to be amazed at how "jaded" people had become.  They look, but they do not see.  But kids found the "hidden treasures" every time!

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76477 From: George Cohn Date: 7/26/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Something you might not want on your layout.
                                                                                                                                  On 7/26/2015 6:49 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                  > I don't know about not wanting it. It's on a BILLBOARD after all. On
                                                                                                                                  > the other hand, youngsters might ask embarrassing questions.


                                                                                                                                  Actually it is from a website called
                                                                                                                                  http://dribbleglass.com/twistedbillboards/index.htm


                                                                                                                                  Lot's of funny "Billboards we would like to see" there.


                                                                                                                                  On another note, check out this months issue of Nuts and Volts magazine.
                                                                                                                                  http://www.nutsvolts.com/magazine/downloads/


                                                                                                                                  There is a construction article on how to build an Arduino based
                                                                                                                                  crossing controller. It uses photo diodes to detect the train and can
                                                                                                                                  display which direction it is going and how (scale) fast. It also
                                                                                                                                  flashes a couple of wig-wag LED's for the crossing.


                                                                                                                                  Looking at the sketch, it would be trivial to add another transistor to
                                                                                                                                  activate an original style magnetically operated American Flyer crossing
                                                                                                                                  gate as well. You would just have to declare another output and put it
                                                                                                                                  in the flasher stanza of the sketch.


                                                                                                                                  George Cohn
                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76478 From: Mike Leahy Date: 7/26/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Diecast 1:64 cars for sale

                                                                                                                                  I have 15 cars for sale as a group for your lay-out.  They are primarily  M2 Machines & Racing Champions 1:64 scale.  Want to sell these as a lot for $4.00 each ($60.00), and I will pay for the shipping.  Email me for pictures and a listing of each car.  If no one is interested I will sell them on Ebay.

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  Thanks,

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  Mike Leahy

                                                                                                                                  gmichael.leahy@...

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76479 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/27/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: The S Gauge For Sale page on my website has been updated
                                                                                                                                  Lots of newly arrived items have been added! More will be coming during August.

                                                                                                                                       <http://thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_S_Scale.html>
                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  Bob Graves
                                                                                                                                  TheGilbertGallery.org
                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76480 From: ecphora123 Date: 7/27/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Something you might not want on your layout.
                                                                                                                                  If I remember.... (at my age that's not always a sure thing) The "late great" John Allen often employed a bit of whimsy on his most famous G&D. There was even a Triceratops being employed by a group of workers to haul a certain large object. Among his other many talents, such as the use of items from smaller scales for "forced perspective" and the use of mirrors to expand the visual impact of scenes, John had huge towering mountains as well. The whole thing was a free lanced depicting "somewhere out west".

                                                                                                                                  At the same time, if you have read some of  Model Railroader magazines from back in the 50s, E.L. Moore would give quite humorous names to his structures. He would always construct some comic story about each one, telling his readers a fictional justification for the building's existence.

                                                                                                                                  So OK these examples were in the realm of "aitch oh", but we can surely take a lesson from both of these honored gentlemen.

                                                                                                                                  Gene Cimino
                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76481 From: JOHN RUTH Date: 7/27/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Lionel Abassador Club
                                                                                                                                  Here is the information on the Lionel Ambassador Club program. When our club met on Saturday to discuss this program, no one knew of any other clubs that applied or were selected. This may be a combined gauge program of Lionel. How we were made aware of LAC was that one of our members was at a TCA Lionel Open House in Concord, NC. 
                                                                                                                                  I just wanted to see, and hear, from any other clubs involved in LAC.  I will be glad to discuss this off line with anyone in order not to clutter this group on this topic.
                                                                                                                                  If the link does not work for you, you can go to the Train web site and then to the Carolinas Division page. Click on the LAC logo.
                                                                                                                                  Jack




                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76482 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 7/27/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Something you might not want on your layout.
                                                                                                                                  My memory is not too reliable as well but I also believe that John had what he called a work bronto...a model of a brontosaurus complete with a number painted on it's side.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Kalsipell, MT
                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76483 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/28/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Humor in Model Railroading

                                                                                                                                  You guys are certainly right about John Allen and others of the era using a bit of humor in their modeling.  Allen's Gorre & Dephetid (gory and defeated) and others used humor in the name of the entire railroad, the same went for businesses on the layout as well.  Allen even made his own figures in HO and many were unique, such as the brothers who were so fat that they supposedly created "sway back" rolling stock from their own weight. The Stegasaurus and the giant "O scale man" were other unique figures found on the railroad.

                                                                                                                                  Allen disliked diesels so much he had a "diesel salesman" hanging from a trestle.


                                                                                                                                  Back in those days, humor was widespread, not just the work of a few who made it into the magazines.  Silly names for towns or unique spellings of other words took off after they started to appear in print.  it was reasonably common to put signs with the name of friends on businesses.  Sometimes these were patterned after what they did for a living or their character traits. The list of goofy things was nearly endless, it was all done in good fun, and not always "respectable."


                                                                                                                                  Alas, the hobby "grew up" and became too serious after a time.  When Model Railroader removed the tag line on it's banner "Model Railroading is Fun" an era ended.  Today when I stash odd figures or other tid-bits on one of my portable layouts I get mix of smiles and disapproving looks. 


                                                                                                                                  The O gauge club I used to be in got a kick out of my coach with every other seat filled by a skeleton and my smashed '30's era sedan on the cowcatcher of a locomotive.  The On30 folks have learned to hunt my micro layouts for naked women, dinosaurs, WWI tanks, aliens, crashed airplanes, and all sorts of other stuff.  I occasionally do it on the S layouts too.  I guess that's what happens when an impressionable youth reads his father's model magazines with folks like John Allen in them.


                                                                                                                                  The hobby as a whole has lost something when it became the territory of serious modelers, rivet counters, and rabid collectors to the near exclusion of those more creative people with a sense of humor.  Part of the life and humanity was snuffed out.   As much as I have always enjoyed the hobby, I miss the days when "Model Railroading WAS Fun."  It wasn't cartoonish, just subtle humor that put a smile on someone's face.  And we don't smile enough today.


                                                                                                                                  Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76484 From: Carey Probst Date: 7/28/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
                                                                                                                                  Well said Stumpy,

                                                                                                                                  While I have no pretensions of even coming close to John Allen or others with my layout once I figure out where to put it I hope to continue in his style with humor.  It will be proto-lanced based on the PRR and EBT but with nothing sacred and hopefully lots of fun.

                                                                                                                                  My sons (now 36 and 39) have always driven my wife a little crazy hiding objects like Yoda, Darth Vader and Figment (From Disney) in her Dept. 56 Christmas displays and taking bets on how long it takes her to find them.

                                                                                                                                  I'm not a collector and probably have the serious collectors spinning in their graves since I have converted all my diesels to can motors and am in the process of converting all the steamers as well.

                                                                                                                                  I plan on a decrepit old barn with several stills destroyed by the revenuers in honor of the gentleman who owned out farm before we bought it.  He was one of the few in the area to come out of jail with a sizable nest-egg and build a really nice life after prohibition.  I may even try to model the drunken ducks that got him caught when they were feeding on the used sour mash he flushed into the river and they ate.  Apparently ducks trying to fly flapping just 1 wing caught the attention of the local sheriff.

                                                                                                                                  Model Railroading IS fun if you want it to be.

                                                                                                                                  Carey Probst
                                                                                                                                  Pennsyltucky RR
                                                                                                                                  Chief Microferroequineologist
                                                                                                                                  On 7/28/2015 5:28 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  You guys are certainly right about John Allen and others of the era using a bit of humor in their modeling.  Allen's Gorre & Dephetid (gory and defeated) and others used humor in the name of the entire railroad, the same went for businesses on the layout as well.  Allen even made his own figures in HO and many were unique, such as the brothers who were so fat that they supposedly created "sway back" rolling stock from their own weight. The Stegasaurus and the giant "O scale man" were other unique figures found on the railroad.

                                                                                                                                  Allen disliked diesels so much he had a "diesel salesman" hanging from a trestle.


                                                                                                                                  Back in those days, humor was widespread, not just the work of a few who made it into the magazines.  Silly names for towns or unique spellings of other words took off after they started to appear in print.  it was reasonably common to put signs with the name of friends on businesses.  Sometimes these were patterned after what they did for a living or their character traits. The list of goofy things was nearly endless, it was all done in good fun, and not always "respectable."


                                                                                                                                  Alas, the hobby "grew up" and became too serious after a time.  When Model Railroader removed the tag line on it's banner "Model Railroading is Fun" an era ended.  Today when I stash odd figures or other tid-bits on one of my portable layouts I get mix of smiles and disapproving looks. 


                                                                                                                                  The O gauge club I used to be in got a kick out of my coach with every other seat filled by a skeleton and my smashed '30's era sedan on the cowcatcher of a locomotive.  The On30 folks have learned to hunt my micro layouts for naked women, dinosaurs, WWI tanks, aliens, crashed airplanes, and all sorts of other stuff.  I occasionally do it on the S layouts too.  I guess that's what happens when an impressionable youth reads his father's model magazines with folks like John Allen in them.


                                                                                                                                  The hobby as a whole has lost something when it became the territory of serious modelers, rivet counters, and rabid collectors to the near exclusion of those more creative people with a sense of humor.  Part of the life and humanity was snuffed out.   As much as I have always enjoyed the hobby, I miss the days when "Model Railroading WAS Fun."  It wasn't cartoonish, just subtle humor that put a smile on someone's face.  And we don't smile enough today.


                                                                                                                                  Stumpy in Ahia


                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76485 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 7/28/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
                                                                                                                                  A lot of guys had humorous or tongue-in-cheek names for industries or even their model railroad itself. One industry I recall was a mine on a fellow's layout.....the name....The Frenda Mine
                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76486 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 7/28/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
                                                                                                                                  Oops sorry folks forgot to add my name to that last posting
                                                                                                                                                                                                Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                Kalispell, MT
                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76487 From: Tom Hawley Date: 7/28/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Electrical Pick-up
                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                  Gentlemen
                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                  Thanks to Mr Tuveson and all others who suggested solutions to my friend's problem with Lionel steam locomotive electrical pick-up and an AM turnout.  I have just received from him the message below, so all's well that ends well, I suppose.  But I still want to see this specific locomotive that allegedly gets power thru the trailing truck only.
                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                  Tom Hawley  --  Lansing Mich  
                                                                                                                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                                                  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 5:02 PM
                                                                                                                                  Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Electrical Pick-up

                                                                                                                                  Tom, I resolved the problem with the Northern Pacific engine stopping in the middle of the American models switch. Turns out it had nothing to do with the switch, but wad a detached wire from the rear truck pickup. Re-soldered the wire and everything is now hunky doria. Thanks for your effort in coming up with possibly help and solutions.

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  Culver L. Anderson




                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  .


                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76488 From: nnn0tjf Date: 7/28/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
                                                                                                                                  I am glad to see this thread. I thought I was the only CEO that had a sense of humor.

                                                                                                                                  Kelly Johnson

                                                                                                                                  The Grace L. Ferguson Storm Door and Non-Scheduled Airline

                                                                                                                                                                                   DBA

                                                                                                                                  The Brundidge, Alabama Iron Ore and Cat Litter Company
                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76489 From: gdotn0868@att.net Date: 7/28/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
                                                                                                                                  Stumpy, Can you post links to the layouts that you refer to.  Being 70 with a great sense of humor, would appreciate, as I'm sure others will.  Thanks in advance.
                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76490 From: Carey Probst Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
                                                                                                                                  Well said Stumpy,

                                                                                                                                  While I have no pretensions of even coming close to John Allen or others with my layout once I figure out where to put it I hope to continue in his style with humor.  It will be proto-lanced based on the PRR and EBT but with nothing sacred and hopefully lots of fun.

                                                                                                                                  My sons (now 36 and 39) have always driven my wife a little crazy hiding objects like Yoda, Darth Vader and Figment (From Disney) in her Dept. 56 Christmas displays and taking bets on how long it takes her to find them.

                                                                                                                                  I'm not a collector and probably have the serious collectors spinning in their graves since I have converted all my diesels to can motors and am in the process of converting all the steamers as well.

                                                                                                                                  I plan on a decrepit old barn with several stills destroyed by the revenuers in honor of the gentleman who owned out farm before we bought it.  He was one of the few in the area to come out of jail with a sizable nest-egg and build a really nice life after prohibition.  I may even try to model the drunken ducks that got him caught when they were feeding on the used sour mash he flushed into
                                                                                                                                  Carey Probst
                                                                                                                                  Pennsyltucky RR
                                                                                                                                  Chief Microferroequineologist
                                                                                                                                  On 7/28/2015 5:28 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  You guys are certainly right about John Allen and others of the era using a bit of humor in their modeling.  Allen's Gorre & Dephetid (gory and defeated) and others used humor in the name of the entire railroad, the same went for businesses on the layout as well.  Allen even made his own figures in HO and many were unique, such as the brothers who were so fat that they supposedly created "sway back" rolling stock from their own weight. The Stegasaurus and the giant "O scale man" were other unique figures found on the railroad.

                                                                                                                                  Allen disliked diesels so much he had a "diesel salesman" hanging from a trestle.


                                                                                                                                  Back in those days, humor was widespread, not just the work of a few who made it into the magazines.  Silly names for towns or unique spellings of other words took off after they started to appear in print.  it was reasonably common to put signs with the name of friends on businesses.  Sometimes these were patterned after what they did for a living or their character traits. The list of goofy things was nearly endless, it was all done in good fun, and not always "respectable."


                                                                                                                                  Alas, the hobby "grew up" and became too serious after a time.  When Model Railroader removed the tag line on it's banner "Model Railroading is Fun" an era ended.  Today when I stash odd figures or other tid-bits on one of my portable layouts I get mix of smiles and disapproving looks. 


                                                                                                                                  The O gauge club I used to be in got a kick out of my coach with every other seat filled by a skeleton and my smashed '30's era sedan on the cowcatcher of a locomotive.  The On30 folks have learned to hunt my micro layouts for naked women, dinosaurs, WWI tanks, aliens, crashed airplanes, and all sorts of other stuff.  I occasionally do it on the S layouts too.  I guess that's what happens when an impressionable youth reads his father's model magazines with folks like John Allen in them.


                                                                                                                                  The hobby as a whole has lost something when it became the territory of serious modelers, rivet counters, and rabid collectors to the near exclusion of those more creative people with a sense of humor.  Part of the life and humanity was snuffed out.   As much as I have always enjoyed the hobby, I miss the days when "Model Railroading WAS Fun."  It wasn't cartoonish, just subtle humor that put a smile on someone's face.  And we don't smile enough today.


                                                                                                                                  Stumpy in Ahia


                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76491 From: Ray Puls Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
                                                                                                                                  Tom and others,
                                                                                                                                  Having read this thread as it worked its way through, today it jogged my
                                                                                                                                  mind. I have one of the Flyonel Northerns, the 800 Union Pacific, and
                                                                                                                                  this engine would periodically stop on curves on my layout. It took me a
                                                                                                                                  while to find the problem but it also was a broken wire to the trailing
                                                                                                                                  truck. I will have to investigate further now, I am not sure if it was
                                                                                                                                  loss of power pick-up or a matter of shorting.
                                                                                                                                  Ray
                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76492 From: ecphora123 Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
                                                                                                                                  Least we forget, "Gruesome Casket" one of my all time favorite HO structures. It may have started as an E.L. Moore creation, but wound up as a styrene kit marketed by a succession of  marketers. Perhaps Revell was the first. It's still available today through Walthers.

                                                                                                                                  Gene Cimino
                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76493 From: John Davis Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
                                                                                                                                  A relatively recent (within last 3 years) cover of the TCA magazine prominently featured a photo of a rail-served business named "Honest Carr's Used Johns", so there are some raconteurs left.  /  John Davis Noblesville IN

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76494 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Humor in Model Railroading

                                                                                                                                  John Allen's work was widely covered in the hobby magazines of the fifties and sixties, and today you just go to Google and type in "Gorre & Daphetid"  to get several websites on that empire. 


                                                                                                                                  For my model work the web address is  http://stonerails.weebly.com  .  Everything is separated by scale.  Unfortunately, I  didn't take nearly as many photos as I probably should have, especially of my earlier years in the hobby, but it was more fun to build than photograph! One of my HO railroads pictured was the Dogghare & Western, and my garden railways were the "Rock Ridge Route" named after the town in the movie "Blazing Saddles."  I still use my old O gauge "Stone Lines" and "Rock Ridge Railway" in S gauge from time to time.


                                                                                                                                  It seems that the older I get, the less impressed I am with rivet counters and rabid collectors.  I guess I'm too creative and wacky to be restrained by that sort of thing.  Though I entered contests many years ago in HO, I quickly soured on that and went my own way.  After all, isn't a hobby supposed to be FUN? 


                                                                                                                                  Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76495 From: traindavid Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading Was You might not want this . . . .
                                                                                                                                  Hi all,
                                                                                                                                  I do hope y'all realized I was tongue in cheek when 'dissing' that Ace
                                                                                                                                  Hardware sign. That's something I'd likely put on my future layout. Some
                                                                                                                                  other names I've seen: "Miracle Chair Company--if you find a good chair,
                                                                                                                                  it's a Miracle!" "Flatulence Gas Co. --It's odorless!" I do intend on a
                                                                                                                                  sign or a building for "Acme Industries, Mail-Order specialists. Endorsed by
                                                                                                                                  Wille E. Coyote" Maybe paint it on the roof of a barn. . .
                                                                                                                                  I agree with Stumpy, somewhere along the line, the hobby became too serious,
                                                                                                                                  maybe because some folks just can't stand the idea that they are PLAYING
                                                                                                                                  with toys--must be adult about this and OPERATE model railroads
                                                                                                                                  realistically. Hmm, all us S gaugers are probably guilty of this bent, as
                                                                                                                                  American Flyer was REAL SCALE TRAINS. . . and we didn't need no stinkin'
                                                                                                                                  third rail either!
                                                                                                                                  OK, off to work, someone has to have a day job!
                                                                                                                                  Run 'em if ya got 'em!
                                                                                                                                  David Dewey
                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76496 From: Gary Nessel Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
                                                                                                                                  Thanks for the added info.

                                                                                                                                  On Wednesday, July 29, 2015, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  John Allen's work was widely covered in the hobby magazines of the fifties and sixties, and today you just go to Google and type in "Gorre & Daphetid"  to get several websites on that empire. 


                                                                                                                                  For my model work the web address is  http://stonerails.weebly.com  .  Everything is separated by scale.  Unfortunately, I  didn't take nearly as many photos as I probably should have, especially of my earlier years in the hobby, but it was more fun to build than photograph! One of my HO railroads pictured was the Dogghare & Western, and my garden railways were the "Rock Ridge Route" named after the town in the movie "Blazing Saddles."  I still use my old O gauge "Stone Lines" and "Rock Ridge Railway" in S gauge from time to time.


                                                                                                                                  It seems that the older I get, the less impressed I am with rivet counters and rabid collectors.  I guess I'm too creative and wacky to be restrained by that sort of thing.  Though I entered contests many years ago in HO, I quickly soured on that and went my own way.  After all, isn't a hobby supposed to be FUN? 


                                                                                                                                  Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76497 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Humor in Model Railroading
                                                                                                                                  From Jeff Madden:   Yes, as a scaler, I still plan on using humor such as industry names, mini-scenes, some town names on my B&O/freelance S Scale layout.  See back issues of the Dispatch.  Yes, John Allen of HO fame did sneak in a lot of humorous names and scenes on his layout. These showed up in articles and the famous Varney ads.  He did state later on that he regretted the railroad name though.  Prior to him, the famous O scale (outside third) modeler and author Frank Ellison used lots of humorous names and situations on his Delta Lines.  Just look at his old articles in MR, Model Builder, RMC, Toy Trains, etc., to see all the uses he made of humor.

                                                                                                                                  My theory; don't overdo, not too much adult humor, keep family friendly.  My daughter at age 4 or 5 did spot a remote "Lady in the Lake" HO figure on my previous layout in WV.  I will have a "Lady in the Lake" figure somewhere on my current layout, plus I will use some humorous business names.  One I have in mind is D.C. Gilbert Hobby Shop or electrical supply.  I also like some outhouse humor so I will have outhouses wherever appropriate. One or two might involve a humorous situation.  Remember, though, that if you model the 1960s and before outhouses would be omnipresent at most rural railroad structures (depots, towers) and behind most rural farmhouses, and near almost all vacation cabins.  Even with modern plumbing used almost universally by the '50s and '60s, most rural outhouses still were kept as backup. Again though, keep outhouse humor to a minimum with most used in a realistic, era appropriate, setting.

                                                                                                                                  Hey, maybe this is an editorial waiting to happen.
                                                                                                                                  Jeff Madden
                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76498 From: tbennerohio Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Layout update and track question

                                                                                                                                  Finally there is a train room in this house.  The basement rehab took longer than planned but now it is dry with all new mechanicals.  And there is a 15' by 42' room for S with sky blue walls.  As a bonus, it is 65 degrees down there which feels pretty great on a day like this.  Display shelves are up but trains are still in boxes.


                                                                                                                                  Benchwork (L girder) has started even though the track plan is not complete.  Initially the benchwork will cover a 12 by 24' walk-in.  Only 12' wide because I wanted to leave a 3' walkway to the breaker box.    This initial benchwork will be used to support the ceiling level layout I brought from the old house.  That's a temporary stop-gap because I have got to get some trains running.  It's been a year and a half now.


                                                                                                                                  The old layout moved pretty well but some of the (Gargraves) track needs work.  And That is the reason for this post.  I plan on heading toward Hi-scale so I am trying to decide between American Models and SHS/MTH track.  MTH has a slight price advantage and I like the lower profile.  But I read somewhere that AF equipment with deeper flanges may rumble along the spike plates.   I do intend to run the old AF stuff from time to time so that is an important deciding factor.


                                                                                                                                  Does anyone have experience to share with SHS flex track and AF S gauge?  I would appreciate the input as this is going to be a large investment in the end so I don't want to make a hasty decision.  But I would like to get track on the way within a few weeks.


                                                                                                                                  Thanks


                                                                                                                                  Tim Benner
                                                                                                                                  Jackson, MI

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76499 From: mlaughlinnyc Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Couplers.
                                                                                                                                  Continuing with my coupler question.

                                                                                                                                  I just posted a photo album, "Mal's 401".  The first photo shows the underside of the tender and that "pseudo-knuckle" coupler I had mentioned.

                                                                                                                                  What is known about the history of this coupler ?  Is it something that AF tried just for a year or two.  ?

                                                                                                                                  I also have a Shell tank car that has the same looking like original couplers.  It's easy to tell the AF couplers from the sheet metal imitations because they have a ridge on them and uniformity of shape that could;d come only from a production line.

                                                                                                                                  Malcolm Laughlin
                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76500 From: Paul Krause Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Layout update and track question
                                                                                                                                  The flyer flanges only chattered on the spikes of the SHS snap track.  But the bigger question is what are you going to use for turnouts?  AF retrofitted into your layout?  

                                                                                                                                  PaulK.  CT S-Gaugers?

                                                                                                                                  Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android


                                                                                                                                  From:"tim.benner@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                  Date:Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 3:18 PM
                                                                                                                                  Subject:[S-Trains] Layout update and track question

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  Finally there is a train room in this house.  The basement rehab took longer than planned but now it is dry with all new mechanicals.  And there is a 15' by 42' room for S with sky blue walls.  As a bonus, it is 65 degrees down there which feels pretty great on a day like this.  Display shelves are up but trains are still in boxes.


                                                                                                                                  Benchwork (L girder) has started even though the track plan is not complete.  Initially the benchwork will cover a 12 by 24' walk-in.  Only 12' wide because I wanted to leave a 3' walkway to the breaker box.    This initial benchwork will be used to support the ceiling level layout I brought from the old house.  That's a temporary stop-gap because I have got to get some trains running.  It's been a year and a half now.


                                                                                                                                  The old layout moved pretty well but some of the (Gargraves) track needs work.  And That is the reason for this post.  I plan on heading toward Hi-scale so I am trying to decide between American Models and SHS/MTH track.  MTH has a slight price advantage and I like the lower profile.  But I read somewhere that AF equipment with deeper flanges may rumble along the spike plates.   I do intend to run the old AF stuff from time to time so that is an important deciding factor.


                                                                                                                                  Does anyone have experience to share with SHS flex track and AF S gauge?  I would appreciate the input as this is going to be a large investment in the end so I don't want to make a hasty decision.  But I would like to get track on the way within a few weeks.


                                                                                                                                  Thanks


                                                                                                                                  Tim Benner
                                                                                                                                  Jackson, MI

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76501 From: mlaughlinnyc Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: AF 401 O gauge 2-4-4
                                                                                                                                  I'm working on restoring a 401 2-4-4 I think from about 1938.  I need a photo that shows the actual lettering on the loco and tender.

                                                                                                                                  Last week I was browsing a web site and read a lot of stuff from Northwoods Flyer about his collection.  There were several photos of a 401.  Now I can't find that material.  does anyone know how to get there ?

                                                                                                                                  Thanks
                                                                                                                                  Malcolm Laughlin


                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76502 From: Roy Inman Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: NASG convention in KC
                                                                                                                                  Re: NASG convention in KC


                                                                                                                                  on 7/29/15, 3:15 PM, Roy Inman at rinphoto@... wrote:

                                                                                                                                  Hi all,

                                                                                                                                  Our local KC S-Gaugers are very much looking forward to seeing you next week at the NASG Convention in Kansas City.

                                                                                                                                  I think that those who can attend, and those who take the tours will have  a great time. If you have never seen Union Station Kansas City, America’s second-largest rail terminal, you are in for a real treat :)

                                                                                                                                  Roy Inman

                                                                                                                                  Roy
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                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76503 From: tbennerohio Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Layout update and track question

                                                                                                                                  Thanks, Paul.  That is good news! 


                                                                                                                                  For the temporary layout I will need to mate to AF turnouts.  On the final layout turnouts will have to be hand-laid.  Maybe a little ambitious but do-able.


                                                                                                                                  Tim Benner

                                                                                                                                  Jackson, MI

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76504 From: snstrains Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Electrical Pick-up
                                                                                                                                  The broken wire on the trailing truck is common on the Flyonel Northerns. I have fixed three of them.
                                                                                                                                  Steve
                                                                                                                                  SnS Trains...Boise
                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                  In a message dated 7/29/2015 6:25:30 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  Tom and others,
                                                                                                                                  Having read this thread as it worked its way through, today it jogged my
                                                                                                                                  mind. I have one of the Flyonel Northerns, the 800 Union Pacific, and
                                                                                                                                  this engine would periodically stop on curves on my layout. It took me a
                                                                                                                                  while to find the problem but it also was a broken wire to the trailing
                                                                                                                                  truck. I will have to investigate further now, I am not sure if it was
                                                                                                                                  loss of power pick-up or a matter of shorting.
                                                                                                                                  Ray

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76505 From: snstrains Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Layout update and track question
                                                                                                                                  Hard to beat the American Models track for running all size flanges. It's a quite rugged track too. 3 radii of curves and fixed and flex sraights.
                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                  Steve
                                                                                                                                  SnS Trains...Boise
                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                  In a message dated 7/29/2015 1:18:24 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  Finally there is a train room in this house.  The basement rehab took longer than planned but now it is dry with all new mechanicals.  And there is a 15' by 42' room for S with sky blue walls.  As a bonus, it is 65 degrees down there which feels pretty great on a day like this.  Display shelves are up but trains are still in boxes.


                                                                                                                                  Benchwork (L girder) has started even though the track plan is not complete.  Initially the benchwork will cover a 12 by 24' walk-in.  Only 12' wide because I wanted to leave a 3' walkway to the breaker box.    This initial benchwork will be used to support the ceiling level layout I brought from the old house.  That's a temporary stop-gap because I have got to get some trains running.  It's been a year and a half now.


                                                                                                                                  The old layout moved pretty well but some of t he (Gargraves) track needs work.  And That is the reason for this post.  I plan on heading toward Hi-scale so I am trying to decide between American Models and SHS/MTH track.  MTH has a slight price advantage and I like the lower profile.  But I read somewhere that AF equipment with deeper flanges may rumble along the spike plates.   I do intend to run the old AF stuff from time to time so that is an important deciding factor.


                                                                                                                                  Does anyone have experience to share with SHS flex track and AF S gauge?  I would appreciate the input as this is going to be a large investment in the end so I don't want to make a hasty decision.  But I would like to get track on the way within a few weeks.


                                                                                                                                  Thanks


                                                                                                                                  Tim Benner
                                                                                                                                  Jackson, MI

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76506 From: Paul Krause Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Layout update and track question
                                                                                                                                  Tim,  I have wrestled this very approach with hi-rail vs scale for some time.  I started my layout last year.  After hand laying the first of 2 main lines and now looking at finishing the 2nd using code 125 rail I now have to build 25 hand laid hi-speed (aka: open frog) turnouts.  It is daunting and they add up very quickly.

                                                                                                                                     So I bit the bullet and said scale all over and will use Tomalco scale turnouts for the industrial areas and upper level.  My basement is half your size so two levels.   I am using a fast tracks #6 turnout template to build most of the dual use turnouts (scale and high rail) and the center frog and points will have to be manufactured as one offs from the fast tracks templates.  Have not made any yet but almost there.  As for making hand made turnouts refer to fast tracks and also Bristol S-Gaugers.  Bristol published an article on totally making them.  If you use a fast tracks template you are limited to code125.  If you do the whole turnout like Bristol then you can use code148. 
                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                  The variations makes my head spin.  So I am sticking with code 125 mainlines and code 100 elsewhere.   You can substitute the S-Helper (MTH) track for code 125.  The rail fits in the fast tracks template too.  I like code125 for high rail or large mainline modern.  But for 50-60s Era code100 is better.  

                                                                                                                                  So the great question...to scale or not to scale.  I gave up and decided scale.  Easier.  Resistance is futile.  The issue is then converting all my rolling stock and convertible engines to scale.  A few remain that I won't do.  So hence dual use track on 2 main lines on level1.  After that all scale.  Too much "it will get done someday" work.  I want to finish it while I can.  Lol

                                                                                                                                  Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android


                                                                                                                                  From:"tim.benner@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                  Date:Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:23 PM
                                                                                                                                  Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Layout update and track question

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  Thanks, Paul.  That is good news! 


                                                                                                                                  For the temporary layout I will need to mate to AF turnouts.  On the final layout turnouts will have to be hand-laid.  Maybe a little ambitious but do-able.


                                                                                                                                  Tim Benner

                                                                                                                                  Jackson, MI

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76507 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Layout update and track question

                                                                                                                                  Until recently all of my S gauge layouts used S Helper Service track, both sectional and flex track.  I used the SHS switches as well.  On one layout I "sunk" the switches into the extruded Styrofoam layout board and used all flex track without ballast to get that "run down railroad" look.  I had zero problems running old Flyer on all of the SHS track, and didn't experience any "riding on the spike heads" effects. 


                                                                                                                                  The S mini layout I've run at several S Sprees used SHS flex track bent to 15" radius and worked fine except for the 4-8-4 Northern and the 0-8-0 switcher.  Driver wheelbase is just too long for that curve radius.  When SHS was sold to MTH and there was a break in production, so I didn't build anymore layouts.  I stumbled across a box of reasonably good shape old Flyer Pike Master track and decided to experiment with that.  It is also 15" radius curves but the quality of the engineering is somewhat dubious.


                                                                                                                                  I've also used American Models and Gargraves over the years, but dropped Gargraves because you can't run "scale" wheels (although I only have a few cars with those) and the switches were so poor.  Because I do train shows, operational reliability is paramount for me.


                                                                                                                                  I remain a fan of SHS track, love the look and the low rail profile, but have yet to use the MTH production.  American Models is my next favorite because there are so many different types of track sections available.  As for adapting old Flyer switches to any modern track, it's a matter of matching rail height and coming up with joiners/track pins that work reliably.  Also pay particular attention to aligning the track to the switch as even slight kinks at the rail joints on and off the switch can cause problems.


                                                                                                                                  Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76508 From: Alan Lambert Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Layout update and track question
                                                                                                                                   From: Alan Lambert

                                                                                                                                  Stumpy,
                                                                                                                                  I still use SHS sectional track without any problems with Flyer cars. My only hiccup is with my American Models SD-60n going through the switch to the inner loop It derails as it goes though the switch. I can deal with that by running it on my outer loop.
                                                                                                                                   Alan




                                                                                                                                  From: "mrstumpy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                  Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 4:52 PM
                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Layout update and track question

                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                  Until recently all of my S gauge layouts used S Helper Service track, both sectional and flex track.  I used the SHS switches as well.  On one layout I "sunk" the switches into the extruded Styrofoam layout board and used all flex track without ballast to get that "run down railroad" look.  I had zero problems running old Flyer on all of the SHS track, and didn't experience any "riding on the spike heads" effects. 

                                                                                                                                  The S mini layout I've run at several S Sprees used SHS flex track bent to 15" radius and worked fine except for the 4-8-4 Northern and the 0-8-0 switcher.  Driver wheelbase is just too long for that curve radius.  When SHS was sold to MTH and there was a break in production, so I didn't build anymore layouts.  I stumbled across a box of reasonably good shape old Flyer Pike Master track and decided to experiment with that.  It is also 15" radius curves but the quality of the engineering is somewhat dubious.

                                                                                                                                  I've also used American Models and Gargraves over the years, but dropped Gargraves because you can't run "scale" wheels (although I only have a few cars with those) and the switches were so poor.  Because I do train shows, operational reliability is paramount for me.

                                                                                                                                  I remain a fan of SHS track, love the look and the low rail profile, but have yet to use the MTH production.  American Models is my next favorite because there are so many different types of track sections available.  As for adapting old Flyer switches to any modern track, it's a matter of matching rail height and coming up with joiners/track pins that work reliably.  Also pay particular attention to aligning the track to the switch as even slight kinks at the rail joints on and off the switch can cause problems.

                                                                                                                                  Stumpy in Ahia


                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76509 From: Richard Falzini Date: 7/29/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Question for administration
                                                                                                                                  It says I'm not a member of the group but I still get mails from group members.

                                                                                                                                  Why???



                                                                                                                                  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                                                                                                                                  You are still listed in the membership  so you get the messages.


                                                                                                                                  Carl

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76510 From: Malcolm Laughlin Date: 7/30/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: AF 401 O gauge 2-4-4
                                                                                                                                  I found it.  Here's the link.
                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                  Malcolm Laughlin,

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76511 From: Tom Date: 7/30/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Layout update and track question
                                                                                                                                  With regard to Stumpy’s experience with certain types of track I have the following experience that is similar to his experience.


                                                                                                                                  I am in the process of completing the track work on my relatively large layout and I have used a combination of SHS Flextrak, SHS sectional track and some Flyonel sectional track. I use primarily AF 720 switches along with some AM switches. Eventually I may move towards using more AM switches instead of the AF switches, mainly for aesthetic reasons but also because I like the less drastic turnout curves of the AM switches. That is why I use some of the AM switches already.


                                                                                                                                  At this point my track all works well and I have no trouble running my conventional AF locomotives, Flyonel locomotives, SHS locomotives and AM locomotives on this combination of track and switches. Like Stumpy, I am a fan of the SHS track, both flex track and sectional track and have no complaint with the Lionel sectional track that I have mated with it. I use SHS rail joiners and use their “conversion joiners” to mate AF switches with SHS track. I use cork roadbed to raise the SHS flex track to the height of the SHS sectional track and the AF switches with careful shimming of the roadbed to match the track heights exactly. The overall effect is generally pleasing although it would be even better if I had all AM or SHS switches. I may eventually get there as my budget permits.


                                                                                                                                  In any case I can recommend this combination of track types for high rail operation, at least based on the operation of trains on my layout.


                                                                                                                                  Tom
                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76512 From: James Lyle Date: 7/30/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Layout update and track question
                                                                                                                                  For what it's worth, GarGraves has greatly improved their S switches.
                                                                                                                                  Jim LYLE 

                                                                                                                                  Sent from my iPhone

                                                                                                                                  On Jul 29, 2015, at 5:52 PM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                  Until recently all of my S gauge layouts used S Helper Service track, both sectional and flex track.  I used the SHS switches as well.  On one layout I "sunk" the switches into the extruded Styrofoam layout board and used all flex track without ballast to get that "run down railroad" look.  I had zero problems running old Flyer on all of the SHS track, and didn't experience any "riding on the spike heads" effects. 


                                                                                                                                  The S mini layout I've run at several S Sprees used SHS flex track bent to 15" radius and worked fine except for the 4-8-4 Northern and the 0-8-0 switcher.  Driver wheelbase is just too long for that curve radius.  When SHS was sold to MTH and there was a break in production, so I didn't build anymore layouts.  I stumbled across a box of reasonably good shape old Flyer Pike Master track and decided to experiment with that.  ; It is also 15" radius curves but the quality of the engineering is somewhat dubious.


                                                                                                                                  I've also used American Models and Gargraves over the years, but dropped Gargraves because you can't run "scale" wheels (although I only have a few cars with those) and the switches were so poor.  Because I do train shows, operational reliability is paramount for me.


                                                                                                                                  I remain a fan of SHS track, love the look and the low rail profile, but have yet to use the MTH production.  American Models is my next favorite because there are so many different types of track sections available.  As for adapting old Flyer switches to any modern track, it's a matter of matching rail height and coming up with joiners/track pins that work reliably.  Also pay particular attention to aligning the track to the switch as even slight kinks at the rail joints on and off the switch can cause problems.


                                                                                                                                  Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76513 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/30/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Layout update and track question
                                                                                                                                  Our train club did an experiment running a variety of different engines and rolling stock on different kinds of track. We selected SHS flex track and have been extremely happy with it; no problem at all with Flyer wheels.

                                                                                                                                  When we built a window layout, we used AM track because one of our members had a bunch of extra that he donated. It, too, has been totally trouble-free. We preferred the SHS track because it's noticeably more flexible and easier to form to the curve you want.

                                                                                                                                  We recently received a shipment of MTH track. It looks identical to the SHS track and we understand it is made from the same mold. It is, however, made from a stiffer plastic like the AM track, and is not as easy to shape as the original SHS track.

                                                                                                                                  On Jul 29, 2015, at 6:59 PM, Tom detmer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  With regard to Stumpy’s experience with certain types of track I have the following experience that is similar to his experience.

                                                                                                                                  I am in the process of completing the track work on my relatively large layout and I have used a combination of SHS Flextrak, SHS sectional track and some Flyonel sectional track. I use primarily AF 720 switches along with some AM switches. Eventually I may move towards using more AM switches instead of the AF switches, mainly for aesthetic reasons but also because I like the less drastic turnout curves of the AM switches. That is why I use some of the AM switches already.

                                                                                                                                  At this point my track all works well and I have no trouble running my conventional AF locomotives, Flyonel locomotives, SHS locomotives and AM locomotives on this combination of track and switches. Like Stumpy, I am a fan of the SHS track, both flex track and sectional track and have no complaint with the Lionel sectional track that I have mated with it. I use SHS rail joiners and use their “conversion joiners” to mate AF switches with SHS track. I use cork roadbed to raise the SHS flex track to the height of the SHS sectional track and the AF switches with careful shimming of the roadbed to match the track heights exactly. The overall effect is generally pleasing although it would be even better if I had all AM or SHS switches. I may eventually get there as my budget permits.

                                                                                                                                  In any case I can recommend this combination of track types for high rail operation, at least based on the operation of trains on my layout.

                                                                                                                                  Tom

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76514 From: Robert Lampe Date: 7/30/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: AF 401 O gauge 2-4-4

                                                                                                                                  And just think that was high tech back then too. Man we have come a long way since then.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Kalispell, MT
                                                                                                                                                                                          

                                                                                                                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                  Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 01:58:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 401 O gauge 2-4-4

                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                  I found it.  Here's the link.
                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                  Malcolm Laughlin,


                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76515 From: mike rosz Date: 7/30/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: AF 401 O gauge 2-4-4
                                                                                                                                  I have Flyer 'S',  but my nephew has Lyonel 'O'  so I bought some old Flyer 'O'  with link couplers.  looks like fat 'S' gauge.


                                                                                                                                  From: "Robert Lampe danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                  Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:18 PM
                                                                                                                                  Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: AF 401 O gauge 2-4-4

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  And just think that was high tech back then too. Man we have come a long way since then.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Kalispell, MT
                                                                                                                                                                                          

                                                                                                                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                  Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 01:58:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 401 O gauge 2-4-4

                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                  I found it.  Here's the link.
                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                  Malcolm Laughlin,




                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76516 From: poniaj Date: 7/31/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: AF 401 O gauge 2-4-4
                                                                                                                                  Mike,

                                                                                                                                  Funny you should say that.  When AC GIlbert bought out the American  Flyer line, he made everything to 3/16 scale, but kept the O gauging on the wheels.  That necessitated a slightly wider steam chest on the locomotives.  After WW II, he decided to go completely 3/16 scale and introduce the two rail track we're all familiar with.  Modifying the molds for the locomotives is expensive, so you can still see the slightly wider steam chests on the locomotives with a one piece boiler. Later versions were narrowed in that area.

                                                                                                                                  That's the history in a nutshell, and there are many places where you can get a more in depth version.  It's all part of the Story of S.

                                                                                                                                  Jerry Poniatowski
                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76517 From: SnSTrains@... Date: 8/1/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: S-'n-S Trains
                                                                                                                                  Summer vacation is over and we are once again open for business.
                                                                                                                                  Thanks for your patience this past month.
                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                  Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                                                  S-'n-S Trains
                                                                                                                                  3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
                                                                                                                                  Boise, Idaho 83704
                                                                                                                                  Phone 208-376-1159
                                                                                                                                  www.snstrains.com

                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76518 From: mlaughlinnyc Date: 8/1/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Couplers.
                                                                                                                                  More on those sheet metal couplers.  I just got a 1938 AF catalog.  The drawings of cars show no couplers.  It says "Automatic couplers included on all 9 1/2" cars.  But it doesn't say what they are.

                                                                                                                                  I found that with careful adjustment the curly hook type couplers will couple automatically if you hit the cars together firmly.  They swivel a bit but have no springs.  I suppose non-automatic would be the old fashioned hook and slot type.

                                                                                                                                  The 1939 catalog shows electric uncoupling and all of the drawings show that ugly automatic coupler that we're all familiar with.

                                                                                                                                  Absent any more information, it seems that we can conclude that the curly couplers were a temporary expedient in 1938 so that AF could claim automatic coupling.

                                                                                                                                  It would be nice if we could uncover information about what was going on inside at AF in those days.  It's easy to find out what Lionel was doing.  Has anyone written the inside story of Gilbert train design in the late 30's ?

                                                                                                                                  Malcolm LAughlin
                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76519 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/1/2015
                                                                                                                                  Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 02 August 2015
                                                                                                                                  Attachments :
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                                                                                                                                    When
                                                                                                                                    Sunday, 02 August 2015
                                                                                                                                    05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                    (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                    Where
                                                                                                                                    http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                    Notes
                                                                                                                                    SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76520 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/2/2015
                                                                                                                                    Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 02 August 2015
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                                                                                                                                      Where
                                                                                                                                      http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                      Notes
                                                                                                                                      SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76521 From: SnSTrains@... Date: 8/3/2015
                                                                                                                                      Subject: Need help finding S-Gauger customer
                                                                                                                                      Can anyone on here help me contact Paul Janowski of Prescott Arizona? I need to discuss an installation he sent me with no instructions as to needs and no phone number.
                                                                                                                                      Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                      Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                                                      S-'n-S Trains
                                                                                                                                      3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
                                                                                                                                      Boise, Idaho 83704-4133
                                                                                                                                      208-376-1159
                                                                                                                                      www.snstrains.com
                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76522 From: lgv_57 Date: 8/3/2015
                                                                                                                                      Subject: S-Helper Service Switch Track wanted!

                                                                                                                                      I am in need of an SHS right hand (RH) switch track (turnout).


                                                                                                                                      I prefer manual RH switch track #00463 WITHOUT the movable frog. I will accept manual RH switch track with WITH movable frog.


                                                                                                                                      Also will accept RH remote switch #00298, either working or with non-operational mechanism, with or without control button.


                                                                                                                                      NOTE:This RH switch track is for display portion of layout. It will not be operated.


                                                                                                                                      Please contact off-line.


                                                                                                                                      Thanks,

                                                                                                                                      Bob South


                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76523 From: rudypenne Date: 8/3/2015
                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Need help finding S-Gauger customer
                                                                                                                                      Try 928-771-0915...
                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                      In a message dated 8/3/2015 10:16:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                      Paul Janowski of Prescott
                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76524 From: Tom Hawley Date: 8/4/2015
                                                                                                                                      Subject: Kansas City
                                                                                                                                      I'm looking forward to the convention in Kansas City, driving there tomorrow with Randy Bosscher.   It will be good to see all the friends that one only sees a few times a year, at Sprees, conventions, and Fests. 
                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                      Although I downsized Michigan Models by about 85%, I haven't been able to get out of dealing entirely.  I will be selling Tomalco and American Models track, Smokey Mountain Model Works kits for locos and frieght cars, some intermodal stuff, and a lot of odds and ends that for some reason didn't get wholesaled to Hoquat.  I also finally inventoried the six parts boxes I've been taking to these shows.  I was surprised by some of the stuff I found. 
                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                      Also looking forward to seeing the Crescent City krew (sic) and their layout. 
                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                      C U in KC.
                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                      tom Hawley still dba Michigan Models
                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76525 From: mlaughlinnyc Date: 8/4/2015
                                                                                                                                      Subject: Buying/selling seasons


                                                                                                                                      I have some unusual items that I'm getting ready to list on Ebay.  I'm wondering if there is much difference in the number of viewers that are likely to be around in July and August as compared with September and October.  I'm I likely to get more by avoiding an off-peak season ?

                                                                                                                                      I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has noticed any difference.  Thanks.

                                                                                                                                      Malcolm Laughlin



                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76526 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 8/4/2015
                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Buying/selling seasons
                                                                                                                                      what do you have for sale?
                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                       
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                                                                                                                                      From: mlaughlinnyc@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                      Sent: Tue, Aug 4, 2015 6:55 pm
                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Buying/selling seasons

                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                      I have some unusual items that I'm getting ready to list on Ebay.  I'm wondering if there is much difference in the number of viewers that are likely to be around in July and August as compared with September and October.  I'm I likely to get more by avoiding an off-peak season ?

                                                                                                                                      I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has noticed any difference.  Thanks.

                                                                                                                                      Malcolm Laughlin


                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76527 From: zemouse2001 Date: 8/4/2015
                                                                                                                                      Subject: Going to Kansas City!!
                                                                                                                                      Well, actually I'm already here.  But this Thursday evening, my wife and I will be going to the NASG 2015 Convention here in KC.  I am a very laid back model train guy with a small amount of AF equipment and track (and no layout at present) but we still couldn't miss the opportunity to get to this when it is so convenient. We did make the one in the Chicago area a few years ago and enjoyed the 1/2 day we could spend at the show.

                                                                                                                                      At this show, we will certainly take a slow walk through the vendor area, check out the model contest and, with any luck, catch a clinic. 

                                                                                                                                      Bob Groh
                                                                                                                                      Blue Springs, Missouri


                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76528 From: rudypenne Date: 8/4/2015
                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Buying/selling seasons
                                                                                                                                      Malcom,
                                                                                                                                                   I sell smoke fluid & notice that Fall & Winter are the best for what I sell. Mike Strickland
                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                      In a message dated 8/4/2015 4:55:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                       


                                                                                                                                      I have some unusual items that I'm getting ready to list on Ebay.  I'm wondering if there is much difference in the number of viewers that are likely to be around in July and August as compared with September and October.  I'm I likely to get more by avoiding an off-peak season ?

                                                                                                                                      I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has noticed any difference.  Thanks.

                                                                                                                                      Malcolm Laughlin



                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76529 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/5/2015
                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Buying/selling seasons
                                                                                                                                      By all means, advertise them first on availablesgauge and your local train club(s) and shows! No fees and you get an audience that is knowledgeable and appreciative. I use ebay only as a last resort.
                                                                                                                                       In a normal year, I would advise you to wait until the end of September for ebay listings. Until people pay the initial credit card bills for their summer vacations, they don't buy as much (or bid as high!) as they do in October when they begin their Christmas shopping. If you think this is a normal year, that's what you should do; it's amazing how badly train sales on ebay fall off between May and September! But if you believe the rumors of a downturn, sell as much as you can this month.

                                                                                                                                      Bob Graves
                                                                                                                                      TheGilbertGallery.org


                                                                                                                                      From: "mlaughlinnyc@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                      Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 3:54 PM
                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Buying/selling seasons

                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                      I have some unusual items that I'm getting ready to list on Ebay.  I'm wondering if there is much difference in the number of viewers that are likely to be around in July and August as compared with September and October.  I'm I likely to get more by avoiding an off-peak season ?

                                                                                                                                      I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has noticed any difference.  Thanks.

                                                                                                                                      Malcolm Laughlin




                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76530 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 8/5/2015
                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Buying/selling seasons
                                                                                                                                      Hi Malcolm:
                                                                                                                                      It seems that there are slightly fewer bidders for stamps during vacation times - although the prices are somewhat the same.  Additionally, I always feel that I am more successful in winning items for which bidding ends in the US during the early morning or working hours - but that might be a skewed perspective.  If I were to put something on ebay, I would make sure that bidding ends around 9 or 10 pm in the country where people would have the most interest.
                                                                                                                                      Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

                                                                                                                                      On 8/5/2015 00:54, mlaughlinnyc@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                       


                                                                                                                                      I have some unusual items that I'm getting ready to list on Ebay.  I'm wondering if there is much difference in the number of viewers that are likely to be around in July and August as compared with September and October.  I'm I likely to get more by avoiding an off-peak season ?

                                                                                                                                      I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has noticed any difference.  Thanks.

                                                                                                                                      Malcolm Laughlin







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                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76531 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 8/5/2015
                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Buying/selling seasons
                                                                                                                                      Hi Malcolm:
                                                                                                                                      It seems that there are slightly fewer bidders for stamps - although the prices are somewhat the same.  Additionally, I always feel that I am more successful in winning items for which bidding ends in the US during the early morning or working hours - but that might be a skewed perspective.  If I were to put something on ebay, I would make sure that bidding ends around 9 or 10 pm in the country which would have the most interest.
                                                                                                                                      Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

                                                                                                                                      On 8/5/2015 00:54, mlaughlinnyc@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                       


                                                                                                                                      I have some unusual items that I'm getting ready to list on Ebay.  I'm wondering if there is much difference in the number of viewers that are likely to be around in July and August as compared with September and October.  I'm I likely to get more by avoiding an off-peak season ?

                                                                                                                                      I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has noticed any difference.  Thanks.

                                                                                                                                      Malcolm Laughlin







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                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76532 From: albert paolozzi Date: 8/6/2015
                                                                                                                                      Subject: s helper for sale
                                                                                                                                      Showcase line, s helper MKT boxcar #1285  NIB   $45 plus shipping, expedited shipping priority mail is $12...Contact me off list amflyral@...   al paolozzii
                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76533 From: railtwister Date: 8/7/2015
                                                                                                                                      Subject: Is American Models S Track Still Using Brass Rail?

                                                                                                                                      Last time I tried it, it used brass rail that was blackened, is this still the case?


                                                                                                                                      Bill in FtL

                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76534 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/8/2015
                                                                                                                                      Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 09 August 2015
                                                                                                                                      Attachments :
                                                                                                                                        "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                        When
                                                                                                                                        Sunday, 09 August 2015
                                                                                                                                        05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                        (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                        Where
                                                                                                                                        http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                        Notes
                                                                                                                                        SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76535 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/9/2015
                                                                                                                                        Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 09 August 2015
                                                                                                                                        Attachments :
                                                                                                                                          "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                          When
                                                                                                                                          Sunday, 09 August 2015
                                                                                                                                          05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                          (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                          Where
                                                                                                                                          http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                          Notes
                                                                                                                                          SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76536 From: Dale Smith Date: 8/10/2015
                                                                                                                                          Subject: Gilbertho.org and americnflyerdisplays.org websites
                                                                                                                                          The gilbertho.org website, as well as the americanflyerdisplays.org have both been updated to be mobile friendly and now display in a much more readable form on small screens.  The print is larger and much easier to read.  It is also easier to tap the links with this larger type.  The photos are formatted to take advantage of the full width of the screen whether you hold the phone upright or sideways.   Google's announcement that they would be ranking websites based on their mobile compatibility got me started on this a few months ago.  It took a bit of time since the HO site has individual page entries for over 400 items and the displays site has 1700 files. 

                                                                                                                                          For Kindles, Ipads, and other tablets, the view will be similar to what you would see on a desktop site because of their larger screen size.   The new website automatically expands to fill the size of the viewing screen.  On a desktop, the experience is pretty much the same as it was before the changes, but the illustrations will probably be larger.

                                                                                                                                          Take a look at the sites with your mobile devices and see what you think.

                                                                                                                                          Dale Smith
                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76537 From: dphobbies Date: 8/10/2015
                                                                                                                                          Subject: FS: SHS 00959 Santa Fe Warbonnet ABBA W/Sound

                                                                                                                                          We recently purchased back from a customer a pristine, almost unused (maybe a few times around the patch) Santa Fe Warbonnet ABBA set with sound.  It is $899.98, the same price it was 10 years ago.  For comparison, an Athearn Genesis HO ABBA set with sound today  is over $1000.00.

                                                                                                                                          Please respond off list.

                                                                                                                                          Regards,


                                                                                                                                          Ron Sebastian

                                                                                                                                          Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America

                                                                                                                                          1524 Lee Street

                                                                                                                                          Des Plaines, IL 60018-1517

                                                                                                                                          1-847-297-2118  fax:1-847-297-4976

                                                                                                                                          www.desplaineshobbies.com

                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76538 From: nyc17819@... Date: 8/10/2015
                                                                                                                                          Subject: NH 494-495
                                                                                                                                          I recently acquired a 494-495 set of New Haven "A" units.  The powered unit, #494, only has one motor, and is unable to pull the dummy up any kind of grade.  (I think the unit could be worked on and "souped up" a little to make it more peppy, but I haven't gone to those lengths yet.)
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          I originally thought that someone had worked on this "A" unit and replaced the 2-motor chassis with a 1-motor chassis thereby eliminating one motor.  However, I examined another set of NH engines I bought about 40 years ago and found that it also has only one motor.
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          Most of the AF diesels that included a dummy in the set had 2 motors in the powered unit.  The Santa Fe, Rocket, and Silver Flash 477-478 all had two motors.  The geeps are another story though because they seem to only have one motor even with the twin unit pairs such as the 377-378 T&P.
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          So my question is, did the original NH 494 have one or two motors?
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          Chris Harding
                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76539 From: Sam & Peggy Date: 8/10/2015
                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: NH 494-495
                                                                                                                                          The 494 did come with two motors. 

                                                                                                                                          Sent from my iPhone

                                                                                                                                          On Aug 10, 2015, at 7:29 PM, "nyc17819@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                          I recently acquired a 494-495 set of New Haven "A" units.  The powered unit, #494, only has one motor, and is unable to pull the dummy up any kind of grade.  (I think the unit could be worked on and "souped up" a little to make it more peppy, but I haven't gone to those lengths yet.)
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          I originally thought that someone had worked on this "A" unit and replaced the 2-motor chassis with a 1-motor chassis thereby eliminating one motor.  However, I examined another set of NH engines I bought about 40 years ago and found that it also has only one motor.
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          Most of the AF diesels that included a dummy in the set had 2 motors in the powered unit.  The Santa Fe, Rocket, and Silver Flash 477-478 all had two motors.  The geeps are another story though because they seem to only have one motor even with the twin unit pairs such as the 377-378 T&P.
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          So my question is, did the original NH 494 have one or two motors?
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          Chris Harding

                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76540 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 8/10/2015
                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: NH 494-495
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          The 1956 494/495 had two worm drive motors in the powered unit.  Hope this helps.
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          Bruce DeGailler, Sr.
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:55 PM
                                                                                                                                          Subject: [S-Trains] NH 494-495
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                          I recently acquired a 494-495 set of New Haven "A" units.  The powered unit, #494, only has one motor, and is unable to pull the dummy up any kind of grade.  (I think the unit could be worked on and "souped up" a little to make it more peppy, but I haven't gone to those lengths yet.)
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          I originally thought that someone had worked on this "A" unit and replaced the 2-motor chassis with a 1-motor chassis thereby eliminating one motor.  However, I examined another set of NH engines I bought about 40 years ago and found that it also has only one motor.
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          Most of the AF diesels that included a dummy in the set had 2 motors in the powered unit.  The Santa Fe, Rocket, and Silver Flash 477-478 all had two motors.  The geeps are another story though because they seem to only have one motor even with the twin unit pairs such as the 377-378 T&P.
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          So my question is, did the original NH 494 have one or two motors?
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          Chris Harding
                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76541 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 8/10/2015
                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: NH 494-495
                                                                                                                                          Two motors, Chris.

                                                                                                                                          Daryl



                                                                                                                                          On 8/10/2015 5:55 PM, nyc17819@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                          I recently acquired a 494-495 set of New Haven "A" units.  The powered unit, #494, only has one motor, and is unable to pull the dummy up any kind of grade.  (I think the unit could be worked on and "souped up" a little to make it more peppy, but I haven't gone to those lengths yet.)
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          I originally thought that someone had worked on this "A" unit and replaced the 2-motor chassis with a 1-motor chassis thereby eliminating one motor.  However, I examined another set of NH engines I bought about 40 years ago and found that it also has only one motor.
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          Most of the AF diesels that included a dummy in the set had 2 motors in the powered unit.  The Santa Fe, Rocket, and Silver Flash 477-478 all had two motors.  The geeps are another story though because they seem to only have one motor even with the twin unit pairs such as the 377-378 T&P.
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          So my question is, did the original NH 494 have one or two motors?
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                          Chris Harding

                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76542 From: Larry Moore Date: 8/10/2015
                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: NH 494-495

                                                                                                                                          Chris, According to the reference books, I have, it came with two motors. Your assumption that someone changed out the chassis, at some time is probably accurate. Another thought , maybe someone put a 494 shell on a 497 chassis, it only had one motor. Larry Moore

                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                          Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:55 PM
                                                                                                                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                          Subject: [S-Trains] NH 494-495

                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                          I recently acquired a 494-495 set of New Haven "A" units.  The powered unit, #494, only has one motor, and is unable to pull the dummy up any kind of grade.  (I think the unit could be worked on and "souped up" a little to make it more peppy, but I haven't gone to those lengths yet.)

                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                          I originally thought that someone had worked on this "A" unit and replaced the 2-motor chassis with a 1-motor chassis thereby eliminating one motor.  However, I examined another set of NH engines I bought about 40 years ago and found that it also has only one motor.

                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                          Most of the AF diesels that included a dummy in the set had 2 motors in the powered unit.  The Santa Fe, Rocket, and Silver Flash 477-478 all had two motors.  The geeps are another story though because they seem to only have one motor even with the twin unit pairs such as the 377-378 T&P.

                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                          So my question is, did the original NH 494 have one or two motors?

                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                          Chris Harding

                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76543 From: Bill Lane Date: 8/11/2015
                                                                                                                                          Subject: SHS/AM heavyweight coach
                                                                                                                                          I am looking for up to 4 SHS/American Models coaches. Really can be just the body if you have it. I don't need the roof. If they have the sintered wheels I don't even want them.

                                                                                                                                          Reply directly if you have 1 to 4 to sell. Maybe there is a trade possible as well.


                                                                                                                                          Thank You,
                                                                                                                                          Bill Lane

                                                                                                                                          Modeling the Mighty Pennsy,  PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

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                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76544 From: Eric Date: 8/12/2015
                                                                                                                                          Subject: For Sale Passenger Car Set, Great Northern.

                                                                                                                                          For Sale  August 2015

                                                                                                                                          I have some more items to sell that I will not be using.

                                                                                                                                          I have a 5 car set of American models Great Northern Passenger cars.  These are in excellent condition and have all windows, etc.

                                                                                                                                          All the Trucks have been replaced out with American Models Budd Car Trucks.

                                                                                                                                          All the cars have American Models lighting units.  (3 lights on PCB) these are wired from the trucks.

                                                                                                                                          All 5 have the small dummy couplers connected to the trucks.

                                                                                                                                          I will include 5 pairs of Kadee couplers  separately.

                                                                                                                                          The Cars have high rail wheels.

                                                                                                                                          $530.00 check  or  $540.00 Paypal .     Shipped with insurance to the USA.

                                                                                                                                          I have lots of pictures I can send.


                                                                                                                                          > Eric Reis
                                                                                                                                          EricRhere@...
                                                                                                                                          > Kenmore Wa. 98028
                                                                                                                                          > NASG since 86, TCA since 87,  Ebay since 99 (over  1100 positives)
                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                          > Paypal, Postal Money orders, Checks (held to clear) all work

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                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76545 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 8/14/2015
                                                                                                                                          Subject: NASG Convention Photos
                                                                                                                                          Group,

                                                                                                                                          Bill Pyper, NASG Dispatch editor, is not on the Yahoo groups, so I am relaying a message he sent to me this afternoon, which is that he has not yet received any photos from anybody regarding the Convention for publication in the next Dispatch. The deadline for the next issue is September 1 (about two weeks), so if you took any good-quality photos while at the convention (doesn't matter what part of it), please consider forwarding it to Bill at:

                                                                                                                                          dispatch@nasg.org

                                                                                                                                          I have received a number of photos for use on the web site, but if you would like to see yours published on the web site as well (or instead), feel free to copy me on the e-mail as well. I plan to do the first round of updates
                                                                                                                                          of the web page on the post-Convention this weekend.

                                                                                                                                          webmaster@...

                                                                                                                                          Thank you for your help!
                                                                                                                                           - Peter.
                                                                                                                                             (as NASG webmaster)

                                                                                                                                          -- 
                                                                                                                                          Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
                                                                                                                                          Houston, Texas
                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                          My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
                                                                                                                                          My business site: http://fourthray.com/
                                                                                                                                          Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/
                                                                                                                                          NASG site: http://nasg.org/
                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76546 From: Roy Inman Date: 8/14/2015
                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Convention Photos
                                                                                                                                          Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Convention Photos Peter,

                                                                                                                                          I have sent Bill quite a few images for print and am in the process of completing my contributions to him with the model contest winners.

                                                                                                                                          I will be happy to send along web-sized images if you give me an optimum file size.

                                                                                                                                          With cheer,
                                                                                                                                          Roy
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                                                                                                                                          Awarded Ingram’s Magazine “Kansas City’s Best Photographer of the year, 2013”

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                                                                                                                                          Kansas City’s Legacy of Beauty and Motion

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                                                                                                                                          Recipes from Kansas City’s Best Chefs and Cooks
                                                                                                                                          Edited by Pete Dulin

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                                                                                                                                          on 8/14/15, 4:50 PM, S-Scale at S-Scale@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                          Group,
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                           Bill Pyper, NASG Dispatch editor, is not on the Yahoo groups, so I am relaying a message he sent to me this afternoon, which is that he has not yet received any photos from anybody regarding the Convention for publication in the next Dispatch. The deadline for the next issue is September 1 (about two weeks), so if you took any good-quality photos while at the convention (doesn't matter what part of it), please consider forwarding it to Bill at:
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                           dispatch@...
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                           I have received a number of photos for use on the web site, but if you would like to see yours published on the web site as well (or instead), feel free to copy me on the e-mail as well. I plan to do the first round of updates of the web page on the post-Convention this weekend.
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                           webmaster@...
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                           Thank you for your help!
                                                                                                                                            - Peter.
                                                                                                                                              (as NASG webmaster)
                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                           


                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76547 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/15/2015
                                                                                                                                          Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 16 August 2015
                                                                                                                                          Attachments :
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                                                                                                                                            When
                                                                                                                                            Sunday, 16 August 2015
                                                                                                                                            05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                            (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                            Where
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                                                                                                                                            Notes
                                                                                                                                            SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76548 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/16/2015
                                                                                                                                            Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 16 August 2015
                                                                                                                                            Attachments :
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                                                                                                                                              When
                                                                                                                                              Sunday, 16 August 2015
                                                                                                                                              05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                              (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                              Where
                                                                                                                                              http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                              Notes
                                                                                                                                              SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76549 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/16/2015
                                                                                                                                              Subject: For Sale: Gilbert Knuckle Coupler trucks
                                                                                                                                              All are used, apparently removed from Flyer freight cars, and have wheels that need to be cleaned. All couplers work except as noted. Make offer.

                                                                                                                                              I have 10 of the XA14A054 trucks with 3/16 inch mounting hole. 5 will clean up nicely to C-7 Excellent condition; I figure those are worth about $6.00 each. Two have a little paint that you can probably scrape off and bring them near C-7. One has a little rust, but not bad at all. One has a fair amount of rust on the sheet metal body. The last has a fair amount of rust and yellow paint.

                                                                                                                                              And 18 of the XA12A051 trucks with 1-8 inch with mounting hole. 13 will clean up nicely to C-7 Excellent condition; I figure those are worth about $6.00 each. One has a couple of tiny spots of red paint, and two have some silver paint. One has a few small rust spots. One is in nice condition but its coupler doesn't always spring open when you lift the weight.
                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                              Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org
                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76550 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/16/2015
                                                                                                                                              Subject: For Sale: Flyonel Convention Boxcars Mint in Original Boxes
                                                                                                                                              48480 NASG 1993 Susquehanna Boxcar TM Guide book value $85; Greenberg $91
                                                                                                                                              48482 TCA 1993 Great Northern Boxcar TM Guide book value $85; Greenberg $92

                                                                                                                                              Make offer.

                                                                                                                                              Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org
                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76551 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/17/2015
                                                                                                                                              Subject: For Sale: LotS of S
                                                                                                                                              I have recently taken in another collection for liquidation and added it to my website:

                                                                                                                                                       <http://thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_S_Scale.html>

                                                                                                                                              Prices shown are book value adjusted for condition, not firm selling prices. Make offer.

                                                                                                                                              Among the items in the collection: 315 locomotive, complete trestle set, pair of 26744 manual switches in original box, early model 4B transformer, lots of track and crossover. From other collections, I also have two pairs of 722A manual switches and a lot of 720 & 720A remote control switches.
                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                              Bob Graves
                                                                                                                                              TheGilbertGallery.org
                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76552 From: mikenguy9 Date: 8/18/2015
                                                                                                                                              Subject: replacing link couplers

                                                                                                                                              I need the tool to do it with.   and some couplers and the pins also.

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                              any body know where I can get the ' O " scale link couplers also.

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                              Thanks for any help you could give.  It will be appreciated.

                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76553 From: henry_betz Date: 8/18/2015
                                                                                                                                              Subject: AF 660 series extruded aluminum passenger cars

                                                                                                                                              Hello all,


                                                                                                                                              I have purchased this link coupler extruded aluminum set #660, 662, & 663 with intent of getting 661. My question is: what engine or engines were sold with this series of cars and in what years. Your help is appreciated.


                                                                                                                                              Best,


                                                                                                                                              Hank Betz

                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76554 From: mike rosz Date: 8/18/2015
                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: For Sale: Flyonel Convention Boxcars Mint in Original Boxes
                                                                                                                                              Do you ever get the tool for replacing link couplers?


                                                                                                                                              From: "Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                              Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 6:08 PM
                                                                                                                                              Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: Flyonel Convention Boxcars Mint in Original Boxes

                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                              48480 NASG 1993 Susquehanna Boxcar TM Guide book value $85; Greenberg $91
                                                                                                                                              48482 TCA 1993 Great Northern Boxcar TM Guide book value $85; Greenberg $92

                                                                                                                                              Make offer.

                                                                                                                                              Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org


                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76555 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/18/2015
                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: AF 660 series extruded aluminum passenger cars
                                                                                                                                              Refer to TheGilbertGallery.org:

                                                                                                                                                  <http://thegilbertgallery.org/Passenger%20Gallery/Streamliner_66x_series.html>
                                                                                                                                               Bob Graves
                                                                                                                                              TheGilbertGallery.org


                                                                                                                                              From: "henry_betz@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                              Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:34 PM
                                                                                                                                              Subject: [S-Trains] AF 660 series extruded aluminum passenger cars

                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                              Hello all,

                                                                                                                                              I have purchased this link coupler extruded aluminum set #660, 662, & 663 with intent of getting 661. My question is: what engine or engines were sold with this series of cars and in what years. Your help is appreciated.

                                                                                                                                              Best,

                                                                                                                                              Hank Betz


                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76556 From: keyhole_corona Date: 8/18/2015
                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: AF 660 series extruded aluminum passenger cars
                                                                                                                                              Due to their weight the sets that included the aluminum passenger only had three cars. The first sets were in 1950, they included set 5008 that had the Santa Fe 360/361 Alco  PA/PB and 660 662 663 cars. The other 1950 set was the 5011 that contained the UP 4-8-4 332DC steam locomotive with the 660 661 663 cars.

                                                                                                                                              In1951 set 5108W for whistle was the Santa Fe 360/364 Alco PA/PB with 660 662 663 cars. No other set was cataloged with the Aluminum cars. In 1952 the cars were plastic with a chrome finish. 

                                                                                                                                              This does not mean that other sets did not exists, My father purchase a Santa Fe 360/364 set  in 1951 or 1952 that had  661 662 663 cars. I still own this set. However the catalog only lists three sets in the years 1950 and 1951.

                                                                                                                                              Rich Gabryszewski
                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76557 From: keyhole_corona Date: 8/18/2015
                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: replacing link couplers
                                                                                                                                              Portline hobbies has the link couplers both the metal prewar and various post war plastic.  They also carry the riveting tool. Note the tools make different rivet marks so you must specify if you want pre or post war riveting tools. Pre war is a circle around the pin to expand it in the sheet metal hole. Post war is four indentations around the pin to hold it in place.

                                                                                                                                              Rich Gabryszewski
                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76558 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/18/2015
                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: For Sale: Flyonel Convention Boxcars Mint in Original Boxes
                                                                                                                                              Yes. It works fine, but it takes practice to do it well; I'm not there yet!

                                                                                                                                              Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org


                                                                                                                                              From: "mike rosz mikenguy9@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                              Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 10:23 AM
                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: [S-Trains] For Sale: Flyonel Convention Boxcars Mint in Original Boxes

                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                              Do you ever get the tool for replacing link couplers?




                                                                                                                                              From: "Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                              Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 6:08 PM
                                                                                                                                              Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: Flyonel Convention Boxcars Mint in Original Boxes

                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                              48480 NASG 1993 Susquehanna Boxcar TM Guide book value $85; Greenberg $91
                                                                                                                                              48482 TCA 1993 Great Northern Boxcar TM Guide book value $85; Greenberg $92

                                                                                                                                              Make offer.

                                                                                                                                              Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org




                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76559 From: snstrains Date: 8/18/2015
                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: replacing link couplers
                                                                                                                                              Port Lines Hobby will have all the things you need.
                                                                                                                                              www.portlines.com
                                                                                                                                              Steve
                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                              SnSTrains Boise
                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                              In a message dated 8/18/2015 3:59:30 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                              I need the tool to do it with.   and some couplers and the pins also.

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                              any body know where I can get the ' O " scale link couplers also.

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                              Thanks for any help you could give.  It will be appreciated.

                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76560 From: Ted Weiler Date: 8/19/2015
                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: AF 660 series extruded aluminum passenger cars
                                                                                                                                              Mine came in an uncataloged set from a big New York retailer as a Christmas special.  It had the CNW Pacific engine with smoke, etc. and rubber inserts on the drivers.

                                                                                                                                              Ted Weiler
                                                                                                                                              TX



                                                                                                                                              On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 7:34 PM, "keyhole_corona@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




                                                                                                                                              Due to their weight the sets that included the aluminum passenger only had three cars. The first sets were in 1950, they included set 5008 that had the Santa Fe 360/361 Alco  PA/PB and 660 662 663 cars. The other 1950 set was the 5011 that contained the UP 4-8-4 332DC steam locomotive with the 660 661 663 cars.

                                                                                                                                              In1951 set 5108W for whistle was the Santa Fe 360/364 Alco PA/PB with 660 662 663 cars. No other set was cataloged with the Aluminum cars. In 1952 the cars were plastic with a chrome finish. 

                                                                                                                                              This does not mean that other sets did not exists, My father purchase a Santa Fe 360/364 set  in 1951 or 1952 that had  661 662 663 cars. I still own this set. However the catalog only lists three sets in the years 1950 and 1951.

                                                                                                                                              Rich Gabryszewski



                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76561 From: henry_betz Date: 8/19/2015
                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: AF 660 series extruded aluminum passenger cars
                                                                                                                                              Thanks to Ted Weiler, Rich Gabryscewski, and to Larry Moore (off line) for the history of these items. I now know that the air-chime is possible and maybe the electronic whistle. When these cars arrive I will test them on a #350 Royal Blue, alas, no whistle, no chime, no smoke (;</). But I think a good look, as AF 'forgot' passenger cars for the 350. 

                                                                                                                                              Now, I know Lionel was not the first for Santa Fe passenger cars, but who came first, second, third?

                                                                                                                                              Best,

                                                                                                                                              Hank Betz
                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76562 From: srjaynes Date: 8/21/2015
                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: AF 660 series extruded aluminum passenger cars
                                                                                                                                              It was very common in those days for several retail practices:

                                                                                                                                              1)  Clothing stores and other non-toy stores would have a "Christmas Land" for the holidays and feature highly sought after items, like electric trains, Erector Sets, Chemistry Sets, etc.  If they had leftovers, they just warehoused them until the following Christmas, making it wrongly appear as if some sets listed for particular years were offered in later years.   Remember they were merchandizers not hobby stores or train lovers.

                                                                                                                                              2)  Also, there were brokers who would buy up the Christmas Leftovers at slightly less than original costs, and sell them to other year-long dealers or warehouse them until the following season.  My 1953 set was one of theses that my uncle picked up for his store from a broker in the fall of 1954.  It was my 1954 Christmas present from my aunt and him.

                                                                                                                                              3)  I'm not certain Gilbert carefully recorded every set they shipped.  I SUSPECT that if they had odds-and-ends, they may have been put into ad hoc sets with ad hoc set numbers and sold until they were gone.  Those set obviously never made it into the catalogs.

                                                                                                                                              Wouldn't you love a time machine to observe what really happened, or not?  Some time the mystery makes for a more treasured item in your collection.  I've got several... 
                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76563 From: James Lyle Date: 8/21/2015
                                                                                                                                              Subject: HiLine™ Diesel Sound Systems - Item #1510 - Dallee Electronics
                                                                                                                                              Heard this in action today, REALLY the next generation.
                                                                                                                                              Great replacement for failing recent systems as well.


                                                                                                                                              http://www.dallee.com/HiLine-Diesel-Sound-System-1510.html


                                                                                                                                              Jim Lyle
                                                                                                                                              Sent from my iPhone
                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76564 From: Mike Leahy Date: 8/22/2015
                                                                                                                                              Subject: RR Items for sale

                                                                                                                                              I have a  RR Conductor’s Chair & a Caboose Marker Light for sale.  I had made a platform for the chair in my train room, as it bolts to the platform & it swivels & rocks.  You would have to build your own platform.  The Marker Light hangs from the ceiling in my train room.   It could be converted to electrical lights for display purposed.   For more information & pictures contact me at: gmichael.leahy@...

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                              Thanks,

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                              Mike Leahy

                                                                                                                                              Boulder, CO

                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76565 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/22/2015
                                                                                                                                              Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 23 August 2015
                                                                                                                                              Attachments :
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                                                                                                                                                When
                                                                                                                                                Sunday, 23 August 2015
                                                                                                                                                05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                Where
                                                                                                                                                http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                Notes
                                                                                                                                                SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76566 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 23 August 2015
                                                                                                                                                Attachments :
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                                                                                                                                                  When
                                                                                                                                                  Sunday, 23 August 2015
                                                                                                                                                  05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                  (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                  Where
                                                                                                                                                  http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                  Notes
                                                                                                                                                  SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76567 From: Bill Lane Date: 8/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: wanted - SHS Scale SW1 wheels

                                                                                                                                                  Unless Don T wants to comment that there was changes in the runs I am looking for scale SW1 wheels for a project. I don't' have the loco yet to tell what style wheels if any is needed.

                                                                                                                                                  A Southern Pacific SW1 shell is likely to be extraneous to me if that interests you as trade material. You Hi Rail guys have to have some laying around in your loco boxes. Lets "rehome" them!

                                                                                                                                                  Thank You,
                                                                                                                                                  Bill Lane

                                                                                                                                                  Modeling the Mighty Pennsy,  PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

                                                                                                                                                  See my finished models at:
                                                                                                                                                  http://www.lanestrains.com
                                                                                                                                                  Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                                                                                                                                                  PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                                                                                                                                                  (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                                                                                                                                                  http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                                                                                                                                                  ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                                                                                                                                                  The other members are not ALL like me!
                                                                                                                                                  http://www.prrths.com
                                                                                                                                                  http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

                                                                                                                                                  Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                                                                                                                                                  It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
                                                                                                                                                  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL




                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76568 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells
                                                                                                                                                  These were made in limited quantities during the early 1990s to fit on Gilbert American Flyer chasses. Each is brand new, never assembled or painted. The observation car shell includes mounting screws, windows w/silhouettes, and diffuser paper but no vista dome or chassis. The baggage car shell includes only mounting screws. Sorry, I have no boxes or paperwork.

                                                                                                                                                  Pictures availableon request.

                                                                                                                                                  I don't know what these should sell for; I'm guessing $45 or $50. Is that right? Make offer.
                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  Bob Graves
                                                                                                                                                  TheGilbertGallery.org
                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76569 From: mike rosz Date: 8/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells
                                                                                                                                                  I would like to see photos, if I may, please and thank you.


                                                                                                                                                  From: "Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 5:01 PM
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells

                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  These were made in limited quantities during the early 1990s to fit on Gilbert American Flyer chasses. Each is brand new, never assembled or painted. The observation car shell includes mounting screws, windows w/silhouettes, and diffuser paper but no vista dome or chassis. The baggage car shell includes only mounting screws. Sorry, I have no boxes or paperwork.

                                                                                                                                                  Pictures availableon request.

                                                                                                                                                  I don't know what these should sell for; I'm guessing $45 or $50. Is that right? Make offer.
                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  Bob Graves
                                                                                                                                                  TheGilbertGallery.org


                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76570 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells
                                                                                                                                                  I have been notified that these cars were mis-identified. Here's the message I received:

                                                                                                                                                  "These are American Hirail shells, but the MILW RD cars are different, he made these to match with the AF passenger cars,  AF didn't have a streamlined baggage and then the dome observation was only possible if you put a dome on a metal smooth roof car.

                                                                                                                                                  The MILW RD  cars, the observation car had about a 45 degree slope to the rear, and the other cars had a different shape  window pattern.  Those cars would be in the 100- 150 each range.  

                                                                                                                                                  What you have should sell real quick.  The observation dome would be a good California Zephyr car, Silver Solarium, it ran on the Branson Ry in the 90's at that time l think it was owned by Glenn Monhart..it has a hot car, earned the nickname Silver Sweat Box.  When it was at Branson it ran with Silver Palace."
                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  Bob Graves
                                                                                                                                                  TheGilbertGallery.org


                                                                                                                                                  From: "Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 3:01 PM
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells

                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  These were made in limited quantities during the early 1990s to fit on Gilbert American Flyer chasses. Each is brand new, never assembled or painted. The observation car shell includes mounting screws, windows w/silhouettes, and diffuser paper but no vista dome or chassis. The baggage car shell includes only mounting screws. Sorry, I have no boxes or paperwork.

                                                                                                                                                  Pictures availableon request.

                                                                                                                                                  I don't know what these should sell for; I'm guessing $45 or $50. Is that right? Make offer.
                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  Bob Graves
                                                                                                                                                  TheGilbertGallery.org


                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76571 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells
                                                                                                                                                  I have been notified that these cars were mis-identified. Here's the message I received:

                                                                                                                                                  "These are American Hirail shells, but the MILW RD cars are different, he made these to match with the AF passenger cars,  AF didn't have a streamlined baggage and then the dome observation was only possible if you put a dome on a metal smooth roof car.

                                                                                                                                                  The MILW RD  cars, the observation car had about a 45 degree slope to the rear, and the other cars had a different shape  window pattern.  Those cars would be in the 100- 150 each range.  

                                                                                                                                                  What you have should sell real quick.  The observation dome would be a good California Zephyr car, Silver Solarium, it ran on the Branson Ry in the 90's at that time l think it was owned by Glenn Monhart..it has a hot car, earned the nickname Silver Sweat Box.  When it was at Branson it ran with Silver Palace."
                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org


                                                                                                                                                  From: "mike rosz mikenguy9@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 6:21 PM
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: [S-Trains] For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells

                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  I would like to see photos, if I may, please and thank you.




                                                                                                                                                  From: "Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 5:01 PM
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells

                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  These were made in limited quantities during the early 1990s to fit on Gilbert American Flyer chasses. Each is brand new, never assembled or painted. The observation car shell includes mounting screws, windows w/silhouettes, and diffuser paper but no vista dome or chassis. The baggage car shell includes only mounting screws. Sorry, I have no boxes or paperwork.

                                                                                                                                                  Pictures availableon request.

                                                                                                                                                  I don't know what these should sell for; I'm guessing $45 or $50. Is that right? Make offer.
                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  Bob Graves
                                                                                                                                                  TheGilbertGallery.org




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                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76572 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells
                                                                                                                                                  Now the bagage car
                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org


                                                                                                                                                  From: "mike rosz mikenguy9@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 6:21 PM
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: [S-Trains] For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells

                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  I would like to see photos, if I may, please and thank you.




                                                                                                                                                  From: "Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 5:01 PM
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells

                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  These were made in limited quantities during the early 1990s to fit on Gilbert American Flyer chasses. Each is brand new, never assembled or painted. The observation car shell includes mounting screws, windows w/silhouettes, and diffuser paper but no vista dome or chassis. The baggage car shell includes only mounting screws. Sorry, I have no boxes or paperwork.

                                                                                                                                                  Pictures availableon request.

                                                                                                                                                  I don't know what these should sell for; I'm guessing $45 or $50. Is that right? Make offer.
                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  Bob Graves
                                                                                                                                                  TheGilbertGallery.org




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                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76573 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage ca
                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

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                                                                                                                                                  From: "Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 11:15 PM
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: [S-Trains] For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells [4 Attachments]

                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  I have been notified that these cars were mis-identified. Here's the message I received:

                                                                                                                                                  "These are American Hirail shells, but the MILW RD cars are different, he made these to match with the AF passenger cars,  AF didn't have a streamlined baggage and then the dome observation was only possible if you put a dome on a metal smooth roof car.

                                                                                                                                                  The MILW RD  cars, the observation car had about a 45 degree slope to the rear, and the other cars had a different shape  window pattern.  Those cars would be in the 100- 150 each range.  

                                                                                                                                                  What you have should sell real quick.  The observation dome would be a good California Zephyr car, Silver Solarium, it ran on the Branson Ry in the 90's at that time l think it was owned by Glenn Monhart..it has a hot car, earned the nickname Silver Sweat Box.  When it was at Branson it ran with Silver Palace."
                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org




                                                                                                                                                  From: "mike rosz mikenguy9@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 6:21 PM
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: [S-Trains] For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells

                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  I would like to see photos, if I may, please and thank you.




                                                                                                                                                  From: "Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 5:01 PM
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells

                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  These were made in limited quantities during the early 1990s to fit on Gilbert American Flyer chasses. Each is brand new, never assembled or painted. The observation car shell includes mounting screws, windows w/silhouettes, and diffuser paper but no vista dome or chassis. The baggage car shell includes only mounting screws. Sorry, I have no boxes or paperwork.

                                                                                                                                                  Pictures availableon request.

                                                                                                                                                  I don't know what these should sell for; I'm guessing $45 or $50. Is that right? Make offer.
                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  Bob Graves
                                                                                                                                                  TheGilbertGallery.org






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                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76574 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage ca
                                                                                                                                                  I mistakenly did a simple reply so the message went to the group instead. Here's the baggage car; observation follows.
                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

                                                                                                                                                  ----- Forwarded Message -----
                                                                                                                                                  From: "Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 11:17 PM
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: [S-Trains] For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells [2 Attachments]

                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  Now the bagage car
                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org




                                                                                                                                                  From: "mike rosz mikenguy9@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 6:21 PM
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: [S-Trains] For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells

                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  I would like to see photos, if I may, please and thank you.




                                                                                                                                                  From: "Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 5:01 PM
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells

                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  These were made in limited quantities during the early 1990s to fit on Gilbert American Flyer chasses. Each is brand new, never assembled or painted. The observation car shell includes mounting screws, windows w/silhouettes, and diffuser paper but no vista dome or chassis. The baggage car shell includes only mounting screws. Sorry, I have no boxes or paperwork.

                                                                                                                                                  Pictures availableon request.

                                                                                                                                                  I don't know what these should sell for; I'm guessing $45 or $50. Is that right? Make offer.
                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                  Bob Graves
                                                                                                                                                  TheGilbertGallery.org






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                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76575 From: detmer5694 Date: 8/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Help needed concerning the North Shore commuter line between Milwauk

                                                                                                                                                  I have a friend who is interested in modeling the North Shore commuter line that operated between Chicago and Milwaukee.  He asked if I know anyone who makes the motive power for these trains and also if anyone does the painting for this line.  I don't know much about it but I thought I could ask this group if anyone knows of someone who works with this line in S gauge.  It would be nice to find a resource for my friend to speak to or even someone who might have trains that could be purchased to add the North Shore line to his layout.  If anyone knows someone who is a resource to help with adding the North Shore to a layout, please let me know.  Thanks!  


                                                                                                                                                  Tom Detmer

                                                                                                                                                  detmer@...

                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76576 From: mark_h_charles Date: 8/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: NASG 2016 - Realistic Flyer Layout on Tour

                                                                                                                                                  High-rail layouts can combine Flyer trains with realistic scenery and operations. Dave Campbell's layout has recently been featured in Classic Toy Trains – see it on a tour at the 2016 NASG Convention. Learn more at www.smsgtrains.org/2016conv.html


                                                                                                                                                  Mark Charles

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                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76577 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 8/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: For Sale: IDI Hiawatha observation car and baggage car shells [4

                                                                                                                                                  These cars are from masters of kitbashes of standard plastic Gilbert shells. 

                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                  For the record, there is nothing “Hiawatha” about the cars except perhaps the name of the company? that produced them.  

                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                  The Baggage is a corrugated Budd Baggage and the Observation is a Dome-Observation.   Not the Milwaukee Road “Hiawatha” smoothside cars one might assume not looking at the pictures.

                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                  Nice castings though.


                                                                                                                                                  Charlie Vlk

                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76578 From: Dr Trains Date: 8/27/2015
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: (no subject)
                                                                                                                                                  Hi. There was someone who made a north shore "electroliner" model some time back...do not remember if it was brass import or us made or both. I rode on the actual electroliner as well as regular heavy inter urban units that the north shore opperated. The electroliner were express extra fare units some with bar/cafe-diner cars in consist they only stopped at a few places from Chicago loop to Milwaukee. Speeds could reach 100 mph outside of Evanston on the way to Milwaukee
                                                                                                                                                  Check CTA and north shore historical and modelers groups. There are plenty of records, drawings, photos etc.
                                                                                                                                                  Models were made in O, HO, G and likely S. Also model mags ran articles and scale drawings of electroliner, MR'er have have drawings in S scale
                                                                                                                                                  You may check my website for a story that includes sketch of electroliner stopped at Wilson str station, only stop after leaving loop and before Evanston. WWW.trains-4-u.com.
                                                                                                                                                  By the way there was also freight and a variety of equipment use on the north shore line...after Evanston they switched to overhead wire!, instead of third rail.
                                                                                                                                                  Hope this helps some.
                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76579 From: artmor46 Date: 8/27/2015
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: hi-rail track/rails

                                                                                                                                                  i am interested in building a af layout using hand laid track. anyone have list of companies who supply rails. thanks 

                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76580 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                  Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 30 August 2015
                                                                                                                                                  Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                    "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                    When
                                                                                                                                                    Sunday, 30 August 2015
                                                                                                                                                    05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                    (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                    Where
                                                                                                                                                    http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                    Notes
                                                                                                                                                    SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
                                                                                                                                                    From
                                                                                                                                                    S-Trains   Calendar
                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76581 From: mark_h_charles Date: 8/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                    Subject: Re: NASG 2016 - Realistic Flyer Layout on Tour
                                                                                                                                                    Yes, as someone asked, those are 2016 convention boxcar (2 car numbers.).

                                                                                                                                                    See the October issue of Classic Toy Trains for details.

                                                                                                                                                    Mark Charles
                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76582 From: Bill Lane Date: 8/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                    Subject: American Flyer S Gauge ES44AC going wonky
                                                                                                                                                    I am looking for some direction here. I have a American Flyer ES44AC that is acting erratically.  According to the manual it is supposed to detect DCC and run right away.. Further it is supposed to like NCE the best!

                                                                                                                                                    I now know default address = 3.

                                                                                                                                                    The behavior ranges from it doing NOTHING  - to sound unit starts up and headlights go directional, to runaway at full speed when I had to shut the layout down. Never once any controlled movement. The sound unit starts up and runs for about 30 seconds and shuts off.

                                                                                                                                                    It seemingly runs fine on straight DC, but I only had 3 feet of track clipped to a transformer.

                                                                                                                                                    I took it to the local trains store. He got it to run fine right away on Digitraxx. When he switched to NCE the loco ran the same as at home meaning it did not run.

                                                                                                                                                    Any help would be appreciated. Please reply directly.


                                                                                                                                                    Thank You,
                                                                                                                                                    Bill Lane

                                                                                                                                                    Modeling the Mighty Pennsy,  PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

                                                                                                                                                    See my finished models at:
                                                                                                                                                    http://www.lanestrains.com
                                                                                                                                                    Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                                                                                                                                                    PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                                                                                                                                                    (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                                                                                                                                                    http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                                                                                                                                                    ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                                                                                                                                                    The other members are not ALL like me!
                                                                                                                                                    http://www.prrths.com
                                                                                                                                                    http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

                                                                                                                                                    Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                                                                                                                                                    It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
                                                                                                                                                    Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL




                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76583 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                    Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 30 August 2015
                                                                                                                                                    Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                      "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                      When
                                                                                                                                                      Sunday, 30 August 2015
                                                                                                                                                      05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                      (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                      Where
                                                                                                                                                      http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                      Notes
                                                                                                                                                      SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
                                                                                                                                                      From
                                                                                                                                                      S-Trains   Calendar
                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76584 From: beebear Date: 8/31/2015
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: American Flyer S Gauge ES44AC going wonky

                                                                                                                                                      Bill

                                                                                                                                                      I thought it is mentioned in the NCE manual to turn off the DC function in the controller as this causes some of the symptoms

                                                                                                                                                      you have mentioned.

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      John Frankforther

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:40 AM
                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                      Cc: nce-dcc@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer S Gauge ES44AC going wonky

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      I am looking for some direction here. I have a American Flyer ES44AC that is acting erratically.  According to the manual it is supposed to detect DCC and run right away.. Further it is supposed to like NCE the best!

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      I now know default address = 3.

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      The behavior ranges from it doing NOTHING  - to sound unit starts up and headlights go directional, to runaway at full speed when I had to shut the layout down. Never once any controlled movement. The sound unit starts up and runs for about 30 seconds and shuts off.

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      It seemingly runs fine on straight DC, but I only had 3 feet of track clipped to a transformer.

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      I took it to the local trains store. He got it to run fine right away on Digitraxx. When he switched to NCE the loco ran the same as at home meaning it did not run.

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      Any help would be appreciated. Please reply directly.

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      Thank You,
                                                                                                                                                      Bill Lane

                                                                                                                                                      Modeling the Mighty Pennsy,  PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

                                                                                                                                                      See my finished models at:
                                                                                                                                                      http://www.lanestrains.com
                                                                                                                                                      Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                                                                                                                                                      PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                                                                                                                                                      (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                                                                                                                                                      http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                                                                                                                                                      ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                                                                                                                                                      The other members are not ALL like me!
                                                                                                                                                      http://www.prrths.com
                                                                                                                                                      http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

                                                                                                                                                      Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                                                                                                                                                      It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
                                                                                                                                                      Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                       




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                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76585 From: Allan V Eisenhaur Date: 9/2/2015
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: WTB American Hi Rail truck Parts
                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      Hi All

                                                                                                                                                      Looking to buy any powered, dummy trucks or side frames made  by  R. Tom Hodgson  of  American Hi-Rail or Instrument Design.

                                                                                                                                                      I am hoping someone may have these in a junk box or parts drawer not being used.  

                                                                                                                                                      Please contact me direct at   aleisen@...

                                                                                                                                                      Thanks Al



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                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76586 From: traindavid Date: 9/2/2015
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: MTH F units coming????
                                                                                                                                                      I notice on the "Product Finder" list at MTH's website that the F units are
                                                                                                                                                      listed as Delivery Sept 2015. Anyone have word on if the are really that
                                                                                                                                                      close to shipping??
                                                                                                                                                      Just curious!!
                                                                                                                                                      David D.
                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76587 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 9/2/2015
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
                                                                                                                                                      I'm not going to get excited about it until I know for a fact that they have been shipped to hobby retailers I've already been disappointed a couple times
                                                                                                                                                         Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                          Kalispell, MT
                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76588 From: vu68 Date: 9/3/2015
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
                                                                                                                                                      They must have noticed this and have now updated delivery to Jan 2016, at least for the Sante Fe, so I presume all units.

                                                                                                                                                      John Zurad
                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76589 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 9/3/2015
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
                                                                                                                                                      I have some SF units setting in the box from SHS.

                                                                                                                                                      I probably should sell them if anyone is interested. They have very little run time and the guy I bought them from put electric tethers between them. (I intended to remove these but never did ) They have been stored in a metal cabinet in my bedroom for the last three or so years.

                                                                                                                                                      (I never operated them)

                                                                                                                                                      If there is interest I will dig them out and provide more details.

                                                                                                                                                      Mark

                                                                                                                                                      On Sep 3, 2015, at 6:07 AM, vu68@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      They must have noticed this and have now updated delivery to Jan 2016, at least for the Sante Fe, so I presume all units.


                                                                                                                                                      John Zurad

                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76590 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 9/3/2015
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
                                                                                                                                                      The tethers between the A unit and B unit were factory. This kept the units running in unison as far as sound and reversing properties. Plus they looked kind of prototypical. Chris Burger
                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76591 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 9/3/2015
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
                                                                                                                                                      Hi David, 
                                                                                                                                                       I am on the MTH page on Facebook and the last I heard from them on there was possibly November ,December this year. Chris Burger
                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76592 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 9/3/2015
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
                                                                                                                                                      Thx I did not realize they were factory tethers. Btw this is an ABA set.



                                                                                                                                                      On Sep 3, 2015, at 10:23 AM, chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      The tethers between the A unit and B unit were factory. This kept the units running in unison as far as sound and reversing properties. Plus they looked kind of prototypical. Chris Burger

                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76593 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/3/2015
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Building Sign Kits
                                                                                                                                                       Does anyone know of a company that provides kits for customizing building signage? I thought I saw a 2015 article in Model Railroader recommending a source of supply, but I seem to have misplaced it.
                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                      Joe from New Hampshire
                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76594 From: James Lyle Date: 9/3/2015
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
                                                                                                                                                      I have the CHROME Santa-Fe
                                                                                                                                                      A-B-B-A, tagged DC, NO sound.  The units run on DC, no visible boards in them.
                                                                                                                                                      They could leave Pennsy
                                                                                                                                                      Country.  Possibly Demos.
                                                                                                                                                      Jim Lyle

                                                                                                                                                      Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                      On Sep 3, 2015, at 11:23 AM, chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                      The tethers between the A unit and B unit were factory. This kept the units running in unison as far as sound and reversing properties. Plus they looked kind of prototypical. Chris Burger
                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76595 From: James Lyle Date: 9/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????


                                                                                                                                                      Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                      On Sep 3, 2015, at 12:43 PM, James Lyle WJJIM@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                      I have the CHROME Santa-Fe
                                                                                                                                                      A-B-B-A, tagged DC, NO sound.  The units run on DC, no visible boards in them.
                                                                                                                                                      They could leave Pennsy
                                                                                                                                                      Country.  Possibly Demos.
                                                                                                                                                      Jim Lyle

                                                                                                                                                      Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                      On Sep 3, 2015, at 11:23 AM, chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                      The tethers between the A unit and B unit were factory. This kept the units running in unison as far as sound and reversing properties. Plus they looked kind of prototypical. Chris Burger
                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76596 From: traindavid Date: 9/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
                                                                                                                                                      Interesting notes from all, thanks for the answers. Wish I could get to
                                                                                                                                                      Facebook; this dial up connection is becoming so frustrating I may leave the
                                                                                                                                                      internet entirely until someone decides to provide my area with a modern
                                                                                                                                                      connection!
                                                                                                                                                      So, postponed until the end of the year, or early NEXT year, eh? I guess
                                                                                                                                                      that means the supposedly already-printed 2015 catalogs should be over
                                                                                                                                                      stamped "2016" since MTH says they won't release the catalogs until the F
                                                                                                                                                      units are out.
                                                                                                                                                      I know it's probably the diminishing marketplace & the economy & our aging,
                                                                                                                                                      but this hobby used to be a lot more fun to see the new stuff. Some of us
                                                                                                                                                      are reaching the point in our lives when we don't even buy green bananas. .
                                                                                                                                                      . .
                                                                                                                                                      A three+ year wait for product?? This certainly wouldn't "fly" in the
                                                                                                                                                      computer marketplace (Of course there, you know your computer is obsolete
                                                                                                                                                      when the clerk hands you your sales receipt).
                                                                                                                                                      Oh well, back to my obsolete 'day job' of fixing player pianos. Yeah, I'm a
                                                                                                                                                      real anachronism.
                                                                                                                                                      S'
                                                                                                                                                      David Dewey


                                                                                                                                                      Posted by: chrisandmhelburger@... cbtrainnut3
                                                                                                                                                      Date: Thu Sep 3, 2015 8:35 am ((PDT))


                                                                                                                                                      Hi David, I am on the MTH page on Facebook and the last I heard from them
                                                                                                                                                      on there was possibly November ,December this year. Chris Burger
                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76597 From: Roy Meissner Date: 9/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: SOO reefer
                                                                                                                                                      We have a few of the 2014 NASG convention cars left. The price is $65.00 plus $10.00 shipping. The car has Flyer compatible trucks and couplers. The car was made by MTH. We have car #2014 and a couple of #50027. Contact me off list at
                                                                                                                                                      Roy J Meissner
                                                                                                                                                      262-538-4325
                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                      This is a very nice looking car so if you haven’t gotten one, don’t be left out.



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                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76598 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Trainmaster shell swap
                                                                                                                                                      I have a new AM Trainmaster in Wabash. I will trade for a new unpainted shell. Only looking for not painted, not another scheme. It is possibly going to be dunked some time this weekend if I get no takers for the shell swap/trade.

                                                                                                                                                      Please reply directly. 


                                                                                                                                                      Thank You,
                                                                                                                                                      Bill Lane

                                                                                                                                                      Modeling the Mighty Pennsy,  PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

                                                                                                                                                      See my finished models at:
                                                                                                                                                      http://www.lanestrains.com
                                                                                                                                                      Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                                                                                                                                                      PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                                                                                                                                                      (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                                                                                                                                                      http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                                                                                                                                                      ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                                                                                                                                                      The other members are not ALL like me!
                                                                                                                                                      http://www.prrths.com
                                                                                                                                                      http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

                                                                                                                                                      Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                                                                                                                                                      It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
                                                                                                                                                      Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL




                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76599 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 9/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: MTH F units coming????
                                                                                                                                                      I was just visiting the MTH web site to update the NASG web site, and found that the Shipping Schedule has the F units listed for March 2016.

                                                                                                                                                      Search by going here:
                                                                                                                                                      http://mthtrains.com/shipping-schedule

                                                                                                                                                      The S results (if the long link works):
                                                                                                                                                      http://mthtrains.com/shipping-schedule?field_catalog_tid=All&field_product_line_tid=6458&title=&field_shipped_date_value_op=word&field_shipped_date_value=&sort_by=field_shipped_date_value&sort_order=DESC&items_per_page=50

                                                                                                                                                       - Peter



                                                                                                                                                      On 09/04/2015 1:37 pm, djdewey@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                      Interesting notes from all, thanks for the answers. Wish I could get to 
                                                                                                                                                      Facebook; this dial up connection is becoming so frustrating I may leave the 
                                                                                                                                                      internet entirely until someone decides to provide my area with a modern 
                                                                                                                                                      connection!
                                                                                                                                                      So, postponed until the end of the year, or early NEXT year, eh?  I guess 
                                                                                                                                                      that means the supposedly already-printed 2015 catalogs should be over 
                                                                                                                                                      stamped "2016" since MTH says they won't release the catalogs until the F 
                                                                                                                                                      units are out.
                                                                                                                                                      I know it's probably the diminishing marketplace & the economy & our aging, 
                                                                                                                                                      but this hobby used to be a lot more fun to see the new stuff. Some of us 
                                                                                                                                                      are reaching the point in our lives when we don't even buy green bananas. . 
                                                                                                                                                      . .
                                                                                                                                                      A three+ year wait for product??  This certainly wouldn't "fly" in the 
                                                                                                                                                      computer marketplace (Of course there, you know your computer is obsolete 
                                                                                                                                                      when the clerk hands you your sales receipt).
                                                                                                                                                      Oh well, back to my obsolete 'day job' of fixing player pianos. Yeah, I'm a 
                                                                                                                                                      real anachronism.
                                                                                                                                                      S'
                                                                                                                                                      David Dewey

                                                                                                                                                      -- 
                                                                                                                                                      Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
                                                                                                                                                      Houston, Texas
                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                      My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
                                                                                                                                                      My business site: http://fourthray.com/
                                                                                                                                                      Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/
                                                                                                                                                      NASG site: http://nasg.org/
                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76600 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/5/2015
                                                                                                                                                      Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 06 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                      Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                        "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                        When
                                                                                                                                                        Sunday, 06 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                        05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                        (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                        Where
                                                                                                                                                        http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                        Notes
                                                                                                                                                        SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76601 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Customized Painting of an "S" Gauge Box Car
                                                                                                                                                         Does anyone know someone who could do a customized painting of a single "S" gauge box car for a reasonable price?
                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                        Joe
                                                                                                                                                        New Hampshire
                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76602 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                        Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 06 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                        Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                          "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                          When
                                                                                                                                                          Sunday, 06 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                          05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                          (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                          Where
                                                                                                                                                          http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                          Notes
                                                                                                                                                          SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76603 From: alan Date: 9/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Customized Painting of an "S" Gauge Box Car
                                                                                                                                                          Hi,

                                                                                                                                                          I like to do Custom cars and have sold some on ebay, other than the ones I keep for my layout

                                                                                                                                                          What are your desires on the car.

                                                                                                                                                          Alan Smith --Hamilton, Oh.

                                                                                                                                                          Contact me off the group site.

                                                                                                                                                          On Sep 6, 2015, at 9:58 AM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                           Does anyone know someone who could do a customized painting of a single "S" gauge box car for a reasonable price?
                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                          Joe
                                                                                                                                                          New Hampshire
                                                                                                                                                           


                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76604 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                          Subject: new page for my Reading G-1sb
                                                                                                                                                          I finally finished my new website page for my G-1sb 204 project. The page was a project unto itself.

                                                                                                                                                          http://www.lanestrains.com/S_Scale_Reading_G-1sb_204.htm

                                                                                                                                                          I hope you find it informational, inspirational, and otherwise what you can do in S Scale with some effort.

                                                                                                                                                          There will be some YouTube video at some point.


                                                                                                                                                          Thank You,
                                                                                                                                                          Bill Lane

                                                                                                                                                          Modeling the Mighty Pennsy,  PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

                                                                                                                                                          See my finished models at:
                                                                                                                                                          http://www.lanestrains.com
                                                                                                                                                          Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                                                                                                                                                          PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                                                                                                                                                          (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                                                                                                                                                          http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                                                                                                                                                          ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                                                                                                                                                          The other members are not ALL like me!
                                                                                                                                                          http://www.prrths.com
                                                                                                                                                          http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

                                                                                                                                                          Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                                                                                                                                                          It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
                                                                                                                                                          Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL




                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76605 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                          Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
                                                                                                                                                          Hello,


                                                                                                                                                          This email message is a notification to let you know that
                                                                                                                                                          a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains
                                                                                                                                                          group.


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                                                                                                                                                          You can access this file at the URL:
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                                                                                                                                                          Regards,


                                                                                                                                                          traindavid <djdewey@...>
                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76606 From: lx5043 Date: 9/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Free Model Train Related Software
                                                                                                                                                          I like to combine hobbies, one is authoring simple software programs and the other naturally is model trains. I offer you two freeware programs to download.
                                                                                                                                                          One is named RailFinder and the other is Yardmaster.

                                                                                                                                                          In RailFinder you can insert past and present railroad name abbreviations and get the exact name of the railroad identified. Right now it contains a fairly comprehensive list of North and South American Railroads as well as European Railways. As I identify more I'll add to the database. In future updates I hope to add other continental railroad names.

                                                                                                                                                          Yardmaster is designed to acquaint to users to a layout. It is very useful to help you teach new young users in an interactive way about your layout and what's on it. Once aware of all your layout has to offer you can proceed to review in a practical way how things work. Print outs are available or save sessions to your computer. There is a little bit of a learning curve on this one, but it's moderate.

                                                                                                                                                          Here is the page link to read more about these programs and to download them. Downloads    (mtds.cma.itgo.com/downloads)

                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                          There are no viruses, trojans or any other bad things in the program files. Please enjoy the programs for what they are, all suggestions are welcome, just keep in mind I'm not a professional programmer just a hobbyist.


                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76607 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Customized Painting of an "S" Gauge Box Car
                                                                                                                                                          Hello Alan:
                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                          What I am looking for is a unique wedding gift for a married couple that are both S Gauge hobbyists. In visualize the following:
                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                          First Name   Last Name                 First Name   Maiden Name
                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                     50th Wedding Anniversary
                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                         October 31, 2015
                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                          Perhaps the reference to "50th"   would be the number "50" inside a circle, and attached to the left and right side of the circle would be a decoration, perhaps wings.
                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                          Can you provide an estimate of the range of cost? Would the work be easier if the car is a box car or a caboose? Can it be ready on or before October 10, 2015? The car should be H-rail with flyer couplers.
                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                          Joe Santoro
                                                                                                                                                          New Hampshire
                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                          In a message dated 9/6/2015 2:22:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                          Hi,


                                                                                                                                                          I like to do Custom cars and have sold some on ebay, other than the ones I keep for my layout

                                                                                                                                                          What are your desires on the car.

                                                                                                                                                          Alan Smith --Hamilton, Oh.

                                                                                                                                                          Contact me off the group site.

                                                                                                                                                          On Sep 6, 2015, at 9:58 AM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                           Does anyone know someone who could do a customized painting of a single "S" gauge box car for a reasonable price?
                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                          Joe
                                                                                                                                                          New Hampshire
                                                                                                                                                           


                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76608 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Reading decals
                                                                                                                                                          Do you have any John Hall passenger car decals in your stash box that could be for sale? There was 2 colors of the same set. I prefer the brighter yellow but likely would buy want you have. Please reply directly.


                                                                                                                                                          Thank You,
                                                                                                                                                          Bill Lane

                                                                                                                                                          Modeling the Mighty Pennsy,  PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

                                                                                                                                                          See my finished models at:
                                                                                                                                                          http://www.lanestrains.com
                                                                                                                                                          Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                                                                                                                                                          PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                                                                                                                                                          (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                                                                                                                                                          http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                                                                                                                                                          ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                                                                                                                                                          The other members are not ALL like me!
                                                                                                                                                          http://www.prrths.com
                                                                                                                                                          http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

                                                                                                                                                          Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                                                                                                                                                          It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
                                                                                                                                                          Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL




                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76609 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                          Subject: swmsrda, Tuesday, 08 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                          Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                            "swmsrda" reminder
                                                                                                                                                            When
                                                                                                                                                            Tuesday, 08 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                            12:00 AM to 12:00 AM
                                                                                                                                                            (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                            Where
                                                                                                                                                            Brewsters tomorrow
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                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76610 From: ejenterp@pacbell.net Date: 9/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                            Subject: FFWest 2015

                                                                                                                                                            reminder of SVAAC FFW 2025 in Elk Grove, Ca on Sept 19th and 20th


                                                                                                                                                            Carl Rudolph, 209-586-9905

                                                                                                                                                            ffw2015@... 


                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76611 From: smuel10263 Date: 9/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                            Subject: old kits

                                                                                                                                                            for you old timers,like my dad,old kits for sale box car sides erie and gaex-cf,kinsman models swif wood refer kit with metal parts amity star models big john southern r.r covered hopper,lehigh valley models water tank lvm2     $25 + shipping or make offer.please reply off line  smuel10363@... thanks ray mueller

                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76612 From: traindavid Date: 9/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Early Christmas!!
                                                                                                                                                            THE LONG WAIT IS OVER!!!! POLAR EXPRESS SETS ARE SHIPPING!!!
                                                                                                                                                            Here in time for Christmas season even! Mine is reportedly on the Fed-Ex
                                                                                                                                                            truck on its way to me!
                                                                                                                                                            More info next week after I open the box
                                                                                                                                                            OPEN THE BOX??!!!!!
                                                                                                                                                            David, you'll devalue the collectability! . . . .
                                                                                                                                                            Oh Well, can't play with them in the box!!
                                                                                                                                                            :)
                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76613 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 9/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
                                                                                                                                                            Great that they are shipping the Polar Express.  Will they ever produce a 'Thomas' in S gauge???  Waiting for one for the grandchildren!
                                                                                                                                                            Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

                                                                                                                                                            On 9/9/2015 20:35, djdewey@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                            THE LONG WAIT IS OVER!!!! POLAR EXPRESS SETS ARE SHIPPING!!!
                                                                                                                                                            Here in time for Christmas season even! Mine is reportedly on the Fed-Ex
                                                                                                                                                            truck on its way to me!
                                                                                                                                                            More info next week after I open the box
                                                                                                                                                            OPEN THE BOX??!!!!!
                                                                                                                                                            David, you'll devalue the collectability! . . . .
                                                                                                                                                            Oh Well, can't play with them in the box!!
                                                                                                                                                            :)





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                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76614 From: frank emiro Date: 9/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
                                                                                                                                                            It was said there will not ever be an S Thomas, being the person has an issue with S. No not Thomas, but his provider, LOL Frank R. EMIRO -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 9/9/15, Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Early Christmas!! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 5:03 PM Great that they are shipping the Polar Express. Will they ever produce a 'Thomas' in S gauge??? Waiting for one for the grandchildren! Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 9/9/2015 20:35, djdewey@... [S-Trains] wrote: THE LONG WAIT IS OVER!!!! POLAR EXPRESS SETS ARE SHIPPING!!! Here in time for Christmas season even! Mine is reportedly on the Fed-Ex truck on its way to me! More info next week after I open the box OPEN THE BOX??!!!!! David, you'll devalue the collectability! . . . . 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                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76616 From: poniaj Date: 9/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
                                                                                                                                                            Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                            Rats!  I too ordered a Polar Express, but it was so long ago that the date on my credit card expired!  I got the message after I got home from work and the dealer was closed.  I'll call them first thing tomorrow. 

                                                                                                                                                            As far as Thomas goes, it's not going to happen in S.  That's why I made my own from scratch a while ago.  It was written up in the Dispatch.  I got a lot of requests to make more, but that isn't going to happen either.  I have too many other projects in the pipeline to make any more.  Besides, my three year old grandson loves watching it run.  He likes the noise and smoke from any steamer, and he'll love the Polar Express.  It's going to be his when he gets a bit older.

                                                                                                                                                            Jerry Poniatowski
                                                                                                                                                            Wayne, MI
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                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76617 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                            Subject: 5 pounds of wheels
                                                                                                                                                            Want to trade? It is over 5 pounds of wheels and wheel parts.

                                                                                                                                                            All are code 125. Only a very few are 36". The rest are 33". Axles are 1.285 long.  Tools included to assemble with any arbor press or drill press. I have done it with my mill. The axles are brass but wheels do attract a magnet.

                                                                                                                                                            I would keep them but I am going all code 110 because the code 125 cause flash shorts with my turnouts. I would like to trade for your 110 wheels. The swap ratio remains to be discussed. I am currently pretty good on SHS 33" wheels but of course could take more.

                                                                                                                                                            SO - I am hoping to get a big stash of SHS 36" wheels to replace the American Models code 120+ something 36" wheels. They too will be extra when I get the code 110 wheels if you want them. If you have stub axle end 33" and 36" code 110 wheels we can talk about that too. 

                                                                                                                                                            Whaddaya got? Reply directly.

                                                                                                                                                            Thank You,
                                                                                                                                                            Bill Lane

                                                                                                                                                            Modeling the Mighty Pennsy,  PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

                                                                                                                                                            See my finished models at:
                                                                                                                                                            http://www.lanestrains.com
                                                                                                                                                            Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                                                                                                                                                            PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                                                                                                                                                            (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                                                                                                                                                            http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                                                                                                                                                            ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                                                                                                                                                            The other members are not ALL like me!
                                                                                                                                                            http://www.prrths.com
                                                                                                                                                            http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

                                                                                                                                                            Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                                                                                                                                                            It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
                                                                                                                                                            Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL


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                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76618 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 9/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: 5 pounds of wheels [2 Attachments]
                                                                                                                                                            will you sell them?
                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                            -----Original Message-----
                                                                                                                                                            From: Bill Lane bill@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                            To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                            Cc: sscalemodelrailroading <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>; s-scale-progressive <s-scale-progressive@yahoogroups.com>; s-trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                            Sent: Fri, Sep 11, 2015 7:45 pm
                                                                                                                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] 5 pounds of wheels [2 Attachments]

                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                            Want to trade? It is over 5 pounds of wheels and wheel parts.

                                                                                                                                                            All are code 125. Only a very few are 36". The rest are 33". Axles are 1.285 long.  Tools included to assemble with any arbor press or drill press. I have done it with my mill. The axles are brass but wheels do attract a magnet.

                                                                                                                                                            I would keep them but I am going all code 110 because the code 125 cause flash shorts with my turnouts. I would like to trade for your 110 wheels. The swap ratio remains to be discussed. I am currently pretty good on SHS 33" wheels but of course could take more.

                                                                                                                                                            SO - I am hoping to get a big stash of SHS 36" wheels to replace the American Models code 120+ something 36" wheels. They too will be extra when I get the code 110 wheels if you want them. If you have stub axle end 33" and 36" code 110 wheels we can talk about that too. 

                                                                                                                                                            Whaddaya got? Reply directly.

                                                                                                                                                            Thank You,
                                                                                                                                                            Bill Lane

                                                                                                                                                            Modeling the Mighty Pennsy,  PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

                                                                                                                                                            See my finished models at:
                                                                                                                                                            http://www.lanestrains.com
                                                                                                                                                            Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                                                                                                                                                            PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                                                                                                                                                            (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                                                                                                                                                            http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                                                                                                                                                            ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                                                                                                                                                            The other members are not ALL like me!
                                                                                                                                                            http://www.prrths.com
                                                                                                                                                            http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

                                                                                                                                                            Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                                                                                                                                                            It's FREE to join!  http://www.prslhs.com 
                                                                                                                                                            Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL



                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76619 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                            Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 13 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                            Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                              "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                              When
                                                                                                                                                              Sunday, 13 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                              05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                              (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                              Where
                                                                                                                                                              http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                              Notes
                                                                                                                                                              SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76620 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                              Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 13 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                              Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                When
                                                                                                                                                                Sunday, 13 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                                05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                Where
                                                                                                                                                                http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                Notes
                                                                                                                                                                SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76621 From: Eric Date: 9/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: (no subject)

                                                                                                                                                                  I have some more items to sell that I will not be using.


                                                                                                                                                                item 1:   I have a 5 car set of American models Great Northern Passenger cars.  These are in excellent condition and have all windows, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                All the Trucks have been replaced out with American Models Budd Car Trucks.

                                                                                                                                                                All the cars have American Models lighting units.  (3 lights on PCB) these are wired from the trucks.

                                                                                                                                                                All 5 have the small dummy couplers connected to the trucks.

                                                                                                                                                                I will include 5 pairs of Kadee couplers  separately.

                                                                                                                                                                The Cars have high rail wheels.

                                                                                                                                                                $450.00 check  or  $460.00 Paypal .     Shipped with insurance to the USA.4 American models 


                                                                                                                                                                item 2:   Budd Cars  Nimbers  5521,  5523,  5525,  City of Los Angeles.  That is 3 coaches and a diner. These are Hi Rail, with the small AM dummy couplers all like new and in a box made for the 4 car set.  All are like new.  $275 plus postage for the 4 cars.


                                                                                                                                                                item 3:   S Helper Wisconsin central 2 bay hopper.  Hi-rail or Scale if you wish,  kadee couplers.  $40.00


                                                                                                                                                                item 4:   S Helper Northern Pacific 62741 Green Flat car with CAT road grader.  Not original wire holding it down.  Like new otherwise.High rail or scale  $50.00


                                                                                                                                                                item 5:   Five car set of Great Northern Ore cars (Tuscan?)  with high rail wheels and kadee couplers in set box and including 5 blue ridge loads (reddish color)  $180.00  like new


                                                                                                                                                                Item 6:   S Helper Monan  40213 hopper  wood style hi rail with kadees  can change to scale wheels. 



                                                                                                                                                                I MAY have boxes for some of these

                                                                                                                                                                I also have about 20 McCoy standard Gauge items for sale.

                                                                                                                                                                I have lots of pictures I can send.     Make an offer off list.


                                                                                                                                                                > Eric Reis
                                                                                                                                                                EricRhere@...
                                                                                                                                                                > Kenmore Wa. 98028
                                                                                                                                                                > NASG since 86, TCA since 87,  Ebay since 99 (over  1100 positives)
                                                                                                                                                                >
                                                                                                                                                                > Paypal, Postal Money orders, Checks (held to clear) all work

                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76622 From: amflyer336 Date: 9/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
                                                                                                                                                                Has everyone received their Polar Express?

                                                                                                                                                                Mine arrived Friday - looks great and runs great with the Flyer Chief remote.

                                                                                                                                                                I question the "diner" and "coach" as shown on the box and in the catalogs though.  It appears to be two coaches, and only one has silhouettes.  Anyone else notice this or have any insight?  I understand that the  "actual product may differ from illustration," but...

                                                                                                                                                                Gregg
                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76623 From: poniaj Date: 9/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
                                                                                                                                                                Gregg,

                                                                                                                                                                In the movie, the kid was alone in a car, and perhaps that's what the car represents.  However, I have had MANY issues with my set.  Light showing through one car's roof; a VERY dim headlight on the loco; side steps on the observation car that belong on the baggage car; cracks in the observation car and the platform not seated correctly; contact cement in the light sockets making bulb replacement extremely difficult.  It makes me angry that Lionel thinks so little of S that so many issues crop up.  Does it happen so often in O?

                                                                                                                                                                Jerry Poniatowski
                                                                                                                                                                Wayne, MI
                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76624 From: Doug K Date: 9/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
                                                                                                                                                                Got mine on Monday!

                                                                                                                                                                Sent from my iPhone

                                                                                                                                                                On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:50 PM, amflyer336@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                Has everyone received their Polar Express?


                                                                                                                                                                Mine arrived Friday - looks great and runs great with the Flyer Chief remote.

                                                                                                                                                                I question the "diner" and "coach" as shown on the box and in the catalogs though.  It appears to be two coaches, and only one has silhouettes.  Anyone else notice this or have any insight?  I understand that the  "actual product may differ from illustration," but...

                                                                                                                                                                Gregg

                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76625 From: amflyer336 Date: 9/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
                                                                                                                                                                Wow!  I've had problems in the past (Big Boy, Alco Railsounds, etc) but so far the PE seems OK except for the "diner."  And, I hadn't noticed the baggage steps on the observation car!  Did they move production back to Mexico?   :-)
                                                                                                                                                                BTW...the lone rider is in the observation car (in my set).  
                                                                                                                                                                I might have to corner someone from "L" at York next month.

                                                                                                                                                                Gregg
                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76626 From: poniaj Date: 9/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
                                                                                                                                                                Gregg,

                                                                                                                                                                Yeah my set has a few problems, but I'm in the process of "talking" with the dealer.  Baggage steps on the observation car seem to be on everyone's!  But in my case it worked out in the end when I discovered that my add-on baggage car DIDN'T have steps.  I simply swapped frames and solved two issues.  The last remaining one with the set involves the "populated" car the came with the set having a roof that's translucent.  It looks like an illuminated Plasticville building!  Otherwise, my loco works fine in all modes, smokes like CRAZY, but the headlight is too dim.  Liveable, but not optimal. 

                                                                                                                                                                Jerry
                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76627 From: poniaj Date: 9/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Early Christmas!!
                                                                                                                                                                PS.  Yeah, I was mistaken on the lone diner.  He's in the observation car in mine too.  You have to see the movie to get the way passengers are located. 

                                                                                                                                                                And it DOES remind me of the fiasco Lionel had with Mexican production.  I'm sure anybody from Lionel who's going to attend York will get an earful.  Having a job like that isn't my idea of a restful one, and being the front man for company screw-ups isn't easy.  I don't envy the position. 
                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76628 From: Tom Hawley Date: 9/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Front Men & DC, wuz Re: [S-Trains] Re: Early Christmas!!
                                                                                                                                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                                                                                From: poniaj@... [S-Trains]
                                                                                                                                                                . . . . . . . . .Having a job like that isn't my idea of a restful one, and
                                                                                                                                                                being the front man for company screw-ups isn't easy. I don't envy the
                                                                                                                                                                position. . . . . . . . .
                                                                                                                                                                > > > > > > > > > >
                                                                                                                                                                Don't forget to mention the neither scale nor highrail trucks too. S to
                                                                                                                                                                them must be the one kid in the family who doesn't look like his father.


                                                                                                                                                                And those guys can't possibly know everything. My SD70s are supposed to run
                                                                                                                                                                on everything including DC. DC didn't work. So I managed to get the
                                                                                                                                                                attention of a Lionel representative at a WGH show and he told me they
                                                                                                                                                                don't. I showed him the manual that says they do. Then he tried to tell me
                                                                                                                                                                there's a difference between DC control and DC power, total nonsence.


                                                                                                                                                                Further research however revealed that the DC needs to be filtered, get rid
                                                                                                                                                                of or at least reduce the ripple. I put a capacitor on my power supply and
                                                                                                                                                                then DC worked fine.


                                                                                                                                                                tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich.
                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76629 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
                                                                                                                                                                My Question: Should I spend time and money to convert Flyer Couplers to Kaydee for better "S" gauge operations?
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                My Problem: When established my "S" layout some years back, for the layout I used 100% S-Helper track of all kinds on a 35 by 20 foot platform. With more than 70 S-Helper turnouts, and dozens of S-Helper remote uncouplers, the layout was quite satisfactory for watching the trains go round and round. However, now that I am refocused on the operations aspect, I have become aware of the limitations, such as:
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                    1.  I regularly want to uncouple where there are no remote uncouplers in place.
                                                                                                                                                                    2. Those large Flyer couplers, which work well in keeping the rolling stock hitched, are cumbersome to
                                                                                                                                                                        unhitch, whether I use a stick, a tool, or the five finger lift.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                That leads me back to the question: is there a better way, such as buying those 802 Kaydee conversion sets and converting most of the rolling stock? Or, are those of you who run "S" operating sessions inclined to tell me to adapt and live with it?
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                I welcome feedback on your experiences in (1) staying with the Flyers and becoming more proficient at uncoupling, or (2) switching to Kaydees to get a more realistic "look" to the layout with a less frustrating operations experience.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                This inquiring mind would like to know.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                Joe
                                                                                                                                                                NH
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76630 From: Bill Clark Date: 9/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
                                                                                                                                                                Hi Joe,

                                                                                                                                                                This may not surprise you, but I much prefer Kadees for operation. You have the option of permanent magnets in the track, electromagnets if it's a mainline, or a pointed stick. I also made up some Kadee manual decouplers with extra magnets so they work in S. MUCH better for operations than the AF style.

                                                                                                                                                                Bill

                                                                                                                                                                On 9/15/2015 2:23 PM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                My Question: Should I spend time and money to convert Flyer Couplers to Kaydee for better "S" gauge operations?
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                My Problem: When established my "S" layout some years back, for the layout I used 100% S-Helper track of all kinds on a 35 by 20 foot platform. With more than 70 S-Helper turnouts, and dozens of S-Helper remote uncouplers, the layout was quite satisfactory for watching the trains go round and round. However, now that I am refocused on the operations aspect, I have become aware of the limitations, such as:
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                    1.  I regularly want to uncouple where there are no remote uncouplers in place.
                                                                                                                                                                    2. Those large Flyer couplers, which work well in keeping the rolling stock hitched, are cumbersome to
                                                                                                                                                                        unhitch, whether I use a stick, a tool, or the five finger lift.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                That leads me back to the question: is there a better way, such as buying those 802 Kaydee conversion sets and converting most of the rolling stock? Or, are those of you who run "S" operating sessions inclined to tell me to adapt and live with it?
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                I welcome feedback on your experiences in (1) staying with the Flyers and becoming more proficient at uncoupling, or (2) switching to Kaydees to get a more realistic "look" to the layout with a less frustrating operations experience.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                This inquiring mind would like to know.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                Joe
                                                                                                                                                                NH
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76631 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
                                                                                                                                                                 Gentlemen,

                                                                                                                                                                 Being an old 1950’s flyer guy.

                                                                                                                                                                I too know the problem with unwanted uncoupling of the Flyer knuckle couplers. The issue, per my own testing, is the fact the J-hook in the coupler only latches on the coupler jaw by roughly .040”. The tip of the J-hook is not square but rather has a radius. The j-hook also hangs thru the coupler body at a negative angle, which exacerbates the problem.  This fact and any vibration during a long run of a consist, rough spot on the trackage ( a turnout) or a real long consist can and dose cause the J-hook to migrate UP--  thus unlocking the coupler.
                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                I have solved this problem by designing a special cone spring that installs between the weight and the bottom of the coupler body The cone design allows the spring to collapse within itself . so as to not go solid when the automatic uncoupler punches up from the bottom.  The spring can be installed on couplers without taking the coupler off the car or removal of the weight.  It takes a little patience and a small needle nose pliers.  It’s duck soup if the weight has fallen off  "easy as licking a spoon ‘ --- well almost.   This fix is nearly 99% full proof. 

                                                                                                                                                                I can them  "Sta Coupled" assist springs.

                                                                                                                                                                Alan In Ohio

                                                                                                                                                                 


                                                                                                                                                                On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Bill Clark billclark424@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                Hi Joe,

                                                                                                                                                                This may not surprise you, but I much prefer Kadees for operation. You have the option of permanent magnets in the track, electromagnets if it's a mainline, or a pointed stick. I also made up some Kadee manual decouplers with extra magnets so they work in S. MUCH better for operations than the AF style.

                                                                                                                                                                Bill

                                                                                                                                                                On 9/15/2015 2:23 PM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                My Question: Should I spend time and money to convert Flyer Couplers to Kaydee for better "S" gauge operations?
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                My Problem: When established my "S" layout some years back, for the layout I used 100% S-Helper track of all kinds on a 35 by 20 foot platform. With more than 70 S-Helper turnouts, and dozens of S-Helper remote uncouplers, the layout was quite satisfactory for watching the trains go round and round. However, now that I am refocused on the operations aspect, I have become aware of the limitations, such as:
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                    1.  I regularly want to uncouple where there are no remote uncouplers in place.
                                                                                                                                                                    2. Those large Flyer couplers, which work well in keeping the rolling stock hitched, are cumbersome to
                                                                                                                                                                        unhitch, whether I use a stick, a tool, or the five finger lift.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                That leads me back to the question: is there a better way, such as buying those 802 Kaydee conversion sets and converting most of the rolling stock? Or, are those of you who run "S" operating sessions inclined to tell me to adapt and live with it?
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                I welcome feedback on your experiences in (1) staying with the Flyers and becoming more proficient at uncoupling, or (2) switching to Kaydees to get a more realistic "look" to the layout with a less frustrating operations experience.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                This inquiring mind would like to know.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                Joe
                                                                                                                                                                NH
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 



                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76632 From: Donald Keil Date: 9/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
                                                                                                                                                                Do you have some pictures
                                                                                                                                                                Don



                                                                                                                                                                On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 9:19 PM, "Alan Smith alansmith@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 Gentlemen,

                                                                                                                                                                 Being an old 1950’s flyer guy.

                                                                                                                                                                I too know the problem with unwanted uncoupling of the Flyer knuckle couplers. The issue, per my own testing, is the fact the J-hook in the coupler only latches on the coupler jaw by roughly .040”. The tip of the J-hook is not square but rather has a radius. The j-hook also hangs thru the coupler body at a negative angle, which exacerbates the problem.  This fact and any vibration during a long run of a consist, rough spot on the trackage ( a turnout) or a real long consist can and dose cause the J-hook to migrate UP--  thus unlocking the coupler.
                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                I have solved this problem by designing a special cone spring that installs between the weight and the bottom of the coupler body The cone design allows the spring to collapse within itself . so as to not go solid when the automatic uncoupler punches up from the bottom.  The spring can be installed on couplers without taking the coupler off the car or removal of the weight.  It takes a little patience and a small needle nose pliers.  It’s duck soup if the weight has fallen off  "easy as licking a spoon ‘ --- well almost.   This fix is nearly 99% full proof. 

                                                                                                                                                                I can them  "Sta Coupled" assist springs.

                                                                                                                                                                Alan In Ohio

                                                                                                                                                                 


                                                                                                                                                                On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Bill Clark billclark424@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                Hi Joe,

                                                                                                                                                                This may not surprise you, but I much prefer Kadees for operation. You have the option of permanent magnets in the track, electromagnets if it's a mainline, or a pointed stick. I also made up some Kadee manual decouplers with extra magnets so they work in S. MUCH better for operations than the AF style.

                                                                                                                                                                Bill

                                                                                                                                                                On 9/15/2015 2:23 PM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                My Question: Should I spend time and money to convert Flyer Couplers to Kaydee for better "S" gauge operations?
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                My Problem: When established my "S" layout some years back, for the layout I used 100% S-Helper track of all kinds on a 35 by 20 foot platform. With more than 70 S-Helper turnouts, and dozens of S-Helper remote uncouplers, the layout was quite satisfactory for watching the trains go round and round. However, now that I am refocused on the operations aspect, I have become aware of the limitations, such as:
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                    1.  I regularly want to uncouple where there are no remote uncouplers in place.
                                                                                                                                                                    2. Those large Flyer couplers, which work well in keeping the rolling stock hitched, are cumbersome to
                                                                                                                                                                        unhitch, whether I use a stick, a tool, or the five finger lift.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                That leads me back to the question: is there a better way, such as buying those 802 Kaydee conversion sets and converting most of the rolling stock? Or, are those of you who run "S" operating sessions inclined to tell me to adapt and live with it?
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                I welcome feedback on your experiences in (1) staying with the Flyers and becoming more proficient at uncoupling, or (2) switching to Kaydees to get a more realistic "look" to the layout with a less frustrating operations experience.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                This inquiring mind would like to know.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                Joe
                                                                                                                                                                NH
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 





                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76633 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Suggestion from John Keating on solving the uncouple issue
                                                                                                                                                                Alan,
                                                                                                                                                                Another idea that I have developed to prevent unwanted uncoupling is to use a short length of model aircraft fuel tubing cut to the length of the j hook between the weight and the coupler body and then slit on one side lengthwise then slipped over the j hook. After having some unwanted uncoupling occur to 1958 MP Eagle cars and end up with a collision that spurred my mind to try and find a cure I have not had any repeats of uncoupling and collisions. Hope this idea may help. Please post this to the S site as this is the only way that I can respond at this time.
                                                                                                                                                                Regards,
                                                                                                                                                                John Keating
                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76634 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
                                                                                                                                                                 S Gaugers.

                                                                                                                                                                Per request,  here is the information on the "Sta coupled assist spring”

                                                                                                                                                                I got tired of the unwanted uncoupling problem and the challenge was born. 

                                                                                                                                                                Alan  in Ohio 

                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                  Typical  Knuckle Coupler attached to the 925 tank car.     it’s  also equipped with replacement trucks.


                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76635 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee

                                                                                                                                                                Hey Joe,

                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                No question, operation is much better with Kadees (I also think they look much better, too).  I prefer the #5 family for several reasons, cost and close coupling being two of them.  On another forum I did a photo comparison of various magnet configurations for uncoupling.  I use AM and SHS flex, the magnets I use are far cheaper than Kadee’s magnets.

                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76636 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
                                                                                                                                                                Bill:
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                Thanks for the reassurance. I think I should make the switch to Kaydees, but I wondered if I was giving up on the AF Flyers too quickly; hence, I wanted to know if many others also had made the switch or whether the S group would chastise me for disloyalty.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                I think I would like to learn more about those uncouplers you made, and whether they are for sale.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                Thanks!
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                Joe
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                In a message dated 9/15/2015 5:46:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                Hi Joe,

                                                                                                                                                                This may not surprise you, but I much prefer Kadees for operation. You have the option of permanent magnets in the track, electromagnets if it's a mainline, or a pointed stick. I also made up some Kadee manual decouplers with extra magnets so they work in S. MUCH better for operations than the AF style.

                                                                                                                                                                Bill

                                                                                                                                                                On 9/15/2015 2:23 PM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                My Question: Should I spend time and money to convert Flyer Couplers to Kaydee for better "S" gauge operations?
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                My Problem: When established my "S" layout some years back, for the layout I used 100% S-Helper track of all kinds on a 35 by 20 foot platform. With more than 70 S-Helper turnouts, and dozens of S-Helper remote uncouplers, the layout was quite satisfactory for watching the trains go round and round. However, now that I am refocused on the operations aspect, I have become aware of the limitations, such as:
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                    1.  I regularly want to uncouple where there are no remote uncouplers in place.
                                                                                                                                                                    2. Those large Flyer couplers, which work well in keeping the rolling stock hitched, are cumbersome to
                                                                                                                                                                        unhitch, whether I use a stick, a tool, or the five finger lift.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                That leads me back to the question: is there a better way, such as buying those 802 Kaydee conversion sets and converting most of the rolling stock? Or, are those of you who run "S" operating sessions inclined to tell me to adapt and live with it?
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                I welcome feedback on your experiences in (1) staying with the Flyers and becoming more proficient at uncoupling, or (2) switching to Kaydees to get a more realistic "look" to the layout with a less frustrating operations experience.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                This inquiring mind would like to know.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                Joe
                                                                                                                                                                NH
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76637 From: kempfam Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
                                                                                                                                                                If you want to run anywhere close to scale speeds, you will not be able to couple the cars with Flyer couplers.  Ron Kemp




                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Samsung tablet
                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76638 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
                                                                                                                                                                Good point, Ron. Thanks.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                Joe
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                In a message dated 9/16/2015 11:52:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                If you want to run anywhere close to scale speeds, you will not be able to couple the cars with Flyer couplers.  Ron Kemp




                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Samsung tablet

                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76639 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
                                                                                                                                                                Hello Tom:
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                Can I discuss this further with you? Do you have a direct email address?
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                Joe
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                In a message dated 9/16/2015 11:49:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                Hey Joe,

                                                                                                                                                                No question, operation is much better with Kadees (I also think they look much better, too).  I prefer the #5 family for several reasons, cost and close coupling being two of them.  On another forum I did a photo comparison of various magnet configurations for uncoupling.  I use AM and SHS flex, the magnets I use are far cheaper than Kadee’s magnets.

                                                                                                                                                                Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76640 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
                                                                                                                                                                 S Gaugers,

                                                                                                                                                                The age old problem of the unwanted uncouple with KC's has been around for years, It seems to be worse on repro couplers but not always the case.   That is why I designed the FIX .   I got tired of fighting the problem ---- Necessity is the Mother of invention !

                                                                                                                                                                I can run my Flyer couplers as fast a the train will safely run  - without an issue !!   Once the coupler spring assist are installed.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                Cheers,
                                                                                                                                                                Alan Smith


                                                                                                                                                                On Sep 16, 2015, at 6:54 AM, kempfam kempfam@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                If you want to run anywhere close to scale speeds, you will not be able to couple the cars with Flyer couplers.  Ron Kemp




                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Samsung tablet


                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76641 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: latest Dispatch

                                                                                                                                                                I just received the latest Dispatch and I noticed a beautiful Am Flyer layout labeled ‘Hi-rail’.  Am I the only one who is bothered by this mislabeling?  The layout has Gargraves track and ACG switches… it would be hard to be much more ‘traditional’ then that.

                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                BTW, it also bothers me when a scale guy refers to a Hi-rail layout as Flyer.  For me, there are 3 different categories of standard S layout:  Flyer, Hi-rail and scale.  There really aren’t any gray areas (I know a lot of people like to claim there is, but not really), just the basic 3.

                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                Your comments please.

                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76642 From: Bill Clark Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee
                                                                                                                                                                Hi Joe,

                                                                                                                                                                I use a Rix 6280-0014

                                                                                                                                                                I add an extra magnet on each side to up the power for s. Not really sure if it makes a difference, but it makes me feel good. You could make the same thing if you want to save some money. Get super magnets.



                                                                                                                                                                Kadee also makes a "pic" for uncoupling. Tommy just uses a thin dowel (bamboo skewer) with a sharpened end.
                                                                                                                                                                http://www.kadee.com/html/241.pdf

                                                                                                                                                                Micro mart has one too, that looks nice:


                                                                                                                                                                http://www.micromark.com/uncoupling-tool-for-ho-and-on30-scale-trains,7613.html

                                                                                                                                                                Bill

                                                                                                                                                                On 9/16/2015 6:48 AM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                Bill:
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                Thanks for the reassurance. I think I should make the switch to Kaydees, but I wondered if I was giving up on the AF Flyers too quickly; hence, I wanted to know if many others also had made the switch or whether the S group would chastise me for disloyalty.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                I think I would like to learn more about those uncouplers you made, and whether they are for sale.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                Thanks!
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                Joe
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                In a message dated 9/15/2015 5:46:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                Hi Joe,

                                                                                                                                                                This may not surprise you, but I much prefer Kadees for operation. You have the option of permanent magnets in the track, electromagnets if it's a mainline, or a pointed stick. I also made up some Kadee manual decouplers with extra magnets so they work in S. MUCH better for operations than the AF style.

                                                                                                                                                                Bill

                                                                                                                                                                On 9/15/2015 2:23 PM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                My Question: Should I spend time and money to convert Flyer Couplers to Kaydee for better "S" gauge operations?
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                My Problem: When established my "S" layout some years back, for the layout I used 100% S-Helper track of all kinds on a 35 by 20 foot platform. With more than 70 S-Helper turnouts, and dozens of S-Helper remote uncouplers, the layout was quite satisfactory for watching the trains go round and round. However, now that I am refocused on the operations aspect, I have become aware of the limitations, such as:
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                    1.  I regularly want to uncouple where there are no remote uncouplers in place.
                                                                                                                                                                    2. Those large Flyer couplers, which work well in keeping the rolling stock hitched, are cumbersome to
                                                                                                                                                                        unhitch, whether I use a stick, a tool, or the five finger lift.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                That leads me back to the question: is there a better way, such as buying those 802 Kaydee conversion sets and converting most of the rolling stock? Or, are those of you who run "S" operating sessions inclined to tell me to adapt and live with it?
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                I welcome feedback on your experiences in (1) staying with the Flyers and becoming more proficient at uncoupling, or (2) switching to Kaydees to get a more realistic "look" to the layout with a less frustrating operations experience.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                This inquiring mind would like to know.
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                Joe
                                                                                                                                                                NH
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                 


                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76643 From: Paul Krause Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
                                                                                                                                                                Tom,
                                                                                                                                                                  I do agree with you regarding the three S categories.  As for the Fast Tracks review in the Dispatch on pages 23-25, i do have a "comment" regarding "S-Hi-rail".  In the caption of the picture of the Fast Tracks #8 template it states "Hi-rail."

                                                                                                                                                                That #8 turnout fixture shown from Fast Tracks ... is very nice.. ..I own a #6...  is only fit for "scale" use.  Hi-rail would require a closed frog design of which Tim Warris has not made or modifying the template to do what you sold with frog inserts.  Either of those two methods are categories for "S-Hi-Rail".   I plan to use the #6 template to do closed frog turnouts but I have to modify the point to frog construction. I am about to embark on it. Tim Warris does make very nice products for which the hobby is very well off for their availability.  I wish we could coax him to do they closed frog hybrid for the point frog assembly!!  

                                                                                                                                                                But for the Hi-rail enthusiast you either have to use S-Helper #3 turnouts or Lionel's Fast Track "3 or your out of production "Tom's Turnout's" frog insert design... or modify FT templates to be that way.  

                                                                                                                                                                So technically the Tim Warris Fast Tracks templates  are scale templates that use code 83, 100, 125 rail (or 131 rail from s-helper).  A Hi-rail layout in my humble opinion uses Hi-rail flanges (NOT  Flyer flanges)  and track that is either  code 125, 131 or 148.  

                                                                                                                                                                The "Flyer" category should be reserved for wheel flanges that use Flyer track and turnouts, S-Helper Snap track and turnouts, Gargraves or American S-Gauge...that code 172 stainless steel  stuff or Lionel's Fast Tracks.  Supposedly Lionel Fast Tracks has a larger possible #6 Fast Tracks turnout is hi rail capable of supporting Flyer flanges.  I do not own one so I do not know for sure or what the frog size is.

                                                                                                                                                                Of course you have Flyonel and their nice engines which are slowly shrinking their engine's wheel flanges to Hi-rail standards.

                                                                                                                                                                So as you say, Hi-rail is in between scale and Flyer. With the added benefit that hi-rail can operate on Flyer layouts somewhat reliably but flyer won't necessarily operate on hi-rail layouts, especially turnouts.  


                                                                                                                                                                Scale is just that..  whether the rail is code 131, 125 100, 83 or 70.  I guess you could add code 148 rail but only if the turnouts are scale and you use scale flanges.  

                                                                                                                                                                That is just my approach to defining the ambiguities of "S".   Don't get me going on track power systems.  Hehe.  And I am sure I left something out...  with S u always do!

                                                                                                                                                                Paul Krause.

                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android


                                                                                                                                                                From:"'Thomas Stoltz' tstoltz@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                Date:Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 3:44 PM
                                                                                                                                                                Subject:[S-Trains] latest Dispatch

                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                I just received the latest Dispatch and I noticed a beautiful Am Flyer layout labeled ‘Hi-rail’.  Am I the only one who is bothered by this mislabeling?  The layout has Gargraves track and ACG switches… it would be hard to be much more ‘traditional’ then that.

                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                BTW, it also bothers me when a scale guy refers to a Hi-rail layout as Flyer.  For me, there are 3 different categories of standard S layout:  Flyer, Hi-rail and scale.  There really aren’t any gray areas (I know a lot of people like to claim there is, but not really), just the basic 3.

                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                Your comments please.

                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76644 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee [2 Atta..
                                                                                                                                                                Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks. Bill. Great tip.
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                  Joe
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                  In a message dated 9/16/2015 3:46:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:


                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                  Hi Joe,

                                                                                                                                                                  I use a Rix 6280-0014

                                                                                                                                                                  I add an extra magnet on each side to up the power for s. Not really sure if it makes a difference, but it makes me feel good. You could make the same thing if you want to save some money. Get super magnets.



                                                                                                                                                                  Kadee also makes a "pic" for uncoupling. Tommy just uses a thin dowel (bamboo skewer) with a sharpened end.
                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.kadee.com/html/241.pdf

                                                                                                                                                                  Micro mart has one too, that looks nice:


                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.micromark.com/uncoupling-tool-for-ho-and-on30-scale-trains,7613.html

                                                                                                                                                                  Bill

                                                                                                                                                                  On 9/16/2015 6:48 AM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                  Bill:
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks for the reassurance. I think I should make the switch to Kaydees, but I wondered if I was giving up on the AF Flyers too quickly; hence, I wanted to know if many others also had made the switch or whether the S group would chastise me for disloyalty.
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                  I think I would like to learn more about those uncouplers you made, and whether they are for sale.
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks!
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                  Joe
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                  In a message dated 9/15/2015 5:46:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                  Hi Joe,

                                                                                                                                                                  This may not surprise you, but I much prefer Kadees for operation. You have the option of permanent magnets in the track, electromagnets if it's a mainline, or a pointed stick. I also made up some Kadee manual decouplers with extra magnets so they work in S. MUCH better for operations than the AF style.

                                                                                                                                                                  Bill

                                                                                                                                                                  On 9/15/2015 2:23 PM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                  My Question: Should I spend time and money to convert Flyer Couplers to Kaydee for better "S" gauge operations?
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                  My Problem: When established my "S" layout some years back, for the layout I used 100% S-Helper track of all kinds on a 35 by 20 foot platform. With more than 70 S-Helper turnouts, and dozens of S-Helper remote uncouplers, the layout was quite satisfactory for watching the trains go round and round. However, now that I am refocused on the operations aspect, I have become aware of the limitations, such as:
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                      1.  I regularly want to uncouple where there are no remote uncouplers in place.
                                                                                                                                                                      2. Those large Flyer couplers, which work well in keeping the rolling stock hitched, are cumbersome to
                                                                                                                                                                          unhitch, whether I use a stick, a tool, or the five finger lift.
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                  That leads me back to the question: is there a better way, such as buying those 802 Kaydee conversion sets and converting most of the rolling stock? Or, are those of you who run "S" operating sessions inclined to tell me to adapt and live with it?
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                  I welcome feedback on your experiences in (1) staying with the Flyers and becoming more proficient at uncoupling, or (2) switching to Kaydees to get a more realistic "look" to the layout with a less frustrating operations experience.
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                  This inquiring mind would like to know.
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                  Joe
                                                                                                                                                                  NH
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                   


                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76645 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Flyer Fest West 2015, Saturday, 19 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                                  Attachments :
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                                                                                                                                                                    When
                                                                                                                                                                    Saturday, 19 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                                    12:00 AM to 12:00 AM
                                                                                                                                                                    (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                    Where
                                                                                                                                                                    Elk Grove,CA
                                                                                                                                                                    Notes
                                                                                                                                                                    FFW2015 is sponsored by the Sacramento ValleyAmerican Flyer Club in Elk Grove CA, Sept 19th and 20th.Any questions, contact Carl Rudolph at ffw2025@... or call209-586-9905
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                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76646 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: Flyer Fest West 2015, Saturday, 19 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                                    Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                      "Flyer Fest West 2015" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                      When
                                                                                                                                                                      Saturday, 19 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                                      12:00 AM to 12:00 AM
                                                                                                                                                                      (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                      Where
                                                                                                                                                                      Elk Grove,CA
                                                                                                                                                                      Notes
                                                                                                                                                                      FFW2015 is sponsored by the Sacramento ValleyAmerican Flyer Club in Elk Grove CA, Sept 19th and 20th.Any questions, contact Carl Rudolph at ffw2025@... or call209-586-9905
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                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76647 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Latest Dispatch

                                                                                                                                                                      As I understand it as told to me by my toy train collector friends and articles I've read in old train hobby publications, there ARE three different types of railroading with toy trains.  


                                                                                                                                                                      First there is the strictly all toy layout which makes no pretense of anything close to model dimensions or realistic operation.


                                                                                                                                                                      Second, there is the all scale layout with accurately scale locos and rolling stock, buildings, autos, trees, and so on, operated in a realistic manner.


                                                                                                                                                                      The third type is the "Hi-rail" layout which is harder to define.  First of all, the term "Hi-rail" comes from early model railroader's use of toy wheels, couplers, and track, with scratch built  to scale rolling stock,  and layouts being operated in a realistic manner.  In those days making your own track, wheels, and couplers was much harder and generally too costly.  Therefore "Hi-rail" (named for using the taller rail in order to accept larger toy wheel flanges) was just about the only way to go.


                                                                                                                                                                      So basically any train or layout that uses "tinplate wheels, couplers, and track, but scale otherwise is "Hi-rail."  By this definition American Models, Des Plaines Hobbies, S Helper Service, or similar rolling stock with Flyer compatible trucks and couplers are actually mass produced "Hi-rail," but when equipped with scale trucks and couplers it is "Scale."  That leads to a bit of confusion as to what is what.


                                                                                                                                                                      The definition of a "Hi-railer" has morphed a bit as well.  Some use Flyer type accessories and Plasticville buildings as well as scale structures. Sometimes they kit bash both to become one model.  I follow what I knew growing up and how S gauge survived in the dark years after Gilbert ended production.  I kit bash locos and cars from junk boxes and re-letter them for real railroads, something once VERY common with scale model railroaders.  I also scratch build scale dimension freight cars, yet use Flyer compatible trucks and couplers for reliable operation. 


                                                                                                                                                                      My scale HO and On30 trains do NOT operate reliably enough to walk away from the layout, yet I've done trains shows where I've been away from my S "Hi-rail" for over and hour at a time with no derailments or uncoupling.  Yet many times "Hi-railers" are treated with some distain by both "Scale Snobs" and "Rabid Collectors." As if "Hi-rail" is some sort of sick sub-culture.


                                                                                                                                                                       But, in the end, there is no "wrong" way to play with our trains.  We each find ways to enjoy our trains that suit our preferences within the hobby.  It's supposed to FUN, and a relaxing time away from the stresses of jobs and the "real world."   Don't take yourselves TOO seriously, it's only a hobby.


                                                                                                                                                                      Stumpy Stone ..Playing with trains for 60 years in Ahia

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76648 From: tennsgauger Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
                                                                                                                                                                      Tom, what about the "High Scalers", those with highrail wheels but kadee-style couplers and realistic track?  Or do I have that mixed up?
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                        -  Earl Henry, Nashville
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      In a message dated 9/16/2015 2:44:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      I just received the latest Dispatch and I noticed a beautiful Am Flyer layout labeled ‘Hi-rail’.  Am I the only one who is bothered by this mislabeling?  The layout has Gargraves track and ACG switches… it would be hard to be much more ‘traditional’ then that.

                                                                                                                                                                      BTW, it also bothers me when a scale guy refers to a Hi-rail layout as Flyer.  For me, there are 3 different categories of standard S layout:  Flyer, Hi-rail and scale.  There really aren’t any gray areas (I know a lot of people like to claim there is, but not really), just the basic 3.

                                                                                                                                                                      Your comments please.

                                                                                                                                                                      Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                      in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76649 From: James Lyle Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
                                                                                                                                                                      I'd rather call them "S" and RUN them.  

                                                                                                                                                                      Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                                      On Sep 16, 2015, at 3:22 PM, 'Thomas Stoltz' tstoltz@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                      I just received the latest Dispatch and I noticed a beautiful Am Flyer layout labeled ‘Hi-rail’.  Am I the only one who is bothered by this mislabeling?  The layout has Gargraves track and ACG switches… it would be hard to be much more ‘traditional’ then that.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      BTW, it also bothers me when a scale guy refers to a Hi-rail layout as Flyer.  For me, there are 3 different categories of standard S layout:  Flyer, Hi-rail and scale.  There really aren’t any gray areas (I know a lot of people like to claim there is, but not really), just the basic 3.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Your comments please.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                      in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76650 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
                                                                                                                                                                      From: Alan Lambert
                                                                                                                                                                               Lone Star flyer Club

                                                                                                                                                                      James,
                                                                                                                                                                      I agree with you. I also thought that Gargraves track was made to mate with Amreican Flyer track. Are they not both tubular in design.
                                                                                                                                                                       Alan Lambert
                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      From: "James Lyle WJJIM@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 8:03 PM
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Dispatch

                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      I'd rather call them "S" and RUN them.  

                                                                                                                                                                      Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                                      On Sep 16, 2015, at 3:22 PM, 'Thomas Stoltz' tstoltz@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                      I just received the latest Dispatch and I noticed a beautiful Am Flyer layout labeled ‘Hi-rail’.  Am I the only one who is bothered by this mislabeling?  The layout has Gargraves track and ACG switches… it would be hard to be much more ‘traditional’ then that.
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      BTW, it also bothers me when a scale guy refers to a Hi-rail layout as Flyer.  For me, there are 3 different categories of standard S layout:  Flyer, Hi-rail and scale.  There really aren’t any gray areas (I know a lot of people like to claim there is, but not really), just the basic 3.
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      Your comments please.
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      Tom Stoltz
                                                                                                                                                                      in Maine


                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76651 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
                                                                                                                                                                      From: Alan Lambert
                                                                                                                                                                               Lone Star Flyer Club

                                                                                                                                                                      Earl,
                                                                                                                                                                      No, you are right. Think of Brooks Stover (Spelling).
                                                                                                                                                                       Alan
                                                                                                                                                                       



                                                                                                                                                                      From: "tennsgauge@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 6:16 PM
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Dispatch

                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      Tom, what about the "High Scalers", those with highrail wheels but kadee-style couplers and realistic track?  Or do I have that mixed up?
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                        -  Earl Henry, Nashville
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      In a message dated 9/16/2015 2:44:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      I just received the latest Dispatch and I noticed a beautiful Am Flyer layout labeled ‘Hi-rail’.  Am I the only one who is bothered by this mislabeling?  The layout has Gargraves track and ACG switches… it would be hard to be much more ‘traditional’ then that.
                                                                                                                                                                      BTW, it also bothers me when a scale guy refers to a Hi-rail layout as Flyer.  For me, there are 3 different categories of standard S layout:  Flyer, Hi-rail and scale.  There really aren’t any gray areas (I know a lot of people like to claim there is, but not really), just the basic 3.
                                                                                                                                                                      Your comments please.
                                                                                                                                                                      Tom Stoltz
                                                                                                                                                                      in Maine


                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76652 From: Tom Hawley Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                                                                                      From: tennsgauge@... [S-Trains]
                                                                                                                                                                      . . . , what about the "High Scalers", those with highrail wheels but kadee-style couplers. . . . . .
                                                                                                                                                                      > > > > > > > > >
                                                                                                                                                                      >
                                                                                                                                                                      And what about what what some of us did just today?  We ran a train around the middle loop of our SMSG layout, with a locomotive having scale wheels & scale couplers, and a train of mostly high-rail wheels.  At one point in the train we had a car with a scale coupler at one end and an AF-size coupler at the other end.  And our scenery attempts to be as realistic as we're capable of.  The rail is not high enough to look toyish.  The track has two turnouts, but we can run both scale and highrail thru these turnouts because they have Tom Stoltz frogs.
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      Actually, if I have to be put in a catagory, it would none of the 3 or 4 above, but just model railroader. 
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      tom Hawley  --  Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers.
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76653 From: kempfam Date: 9/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
                                                                                                                                                                      It's in the eye of the beholder.  I agree the layout was Flyer, except for the track.  So since it doesn't have Flyer track, would Flyer purists take offense?  Brooks Stover has a great scale layout, is a great modeler, but I believe he uses American Models track.  No railroad used rail that heavy.  So, is the railroad really scale?  I think S draws too many distinctions and gets too hung up on the subsets of the scale.  Bottom line, if you're happy with what you have done, that's what counts.  After all, it's your railroad.  
                                                                                                                                                                      Ron Kemp

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                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76654 From: keyhole_corona Date: 9/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
                                                                                                                                                                      The definition of high rail is being prototypical accurate in most areas except that the track is higher rail than the prototype to accept the large flanges of toy trains. I believe Lionel coined the term in the late 30's as hobbyists built very realistic layouts with Lionel track during that era. Therefore if a layout is well detailed and items on it are S-Scale, than the use of standard Flyer track or Gargraves would not negate the use of the Hi-Rail term.  A lot of traditional toy train layouts are not Hi-rail because the builder uses oversize vehicles and people, has minimal scenery, and the layout lacks realism. Many toy train layouts are more of a caricature of real life rather than a miniature representation of it. If you build a well detailed miniature representation for your toy train layout than it can be regarded as Hi-Rail no matter if the track is Flyer, Gargraves, S-Helper/MTH, American Models, or Lionel fast track.   
                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76655 From: snstrains Date: 9/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
                                                                                                                                                                      Hooray...somebody finally said the right thing...
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      Steve....Boise
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      In a message dated 9/16/2015 8:50:27 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      It's in the eye of the beholder.  I agree the layout was Flyer, except for the track.  So since it doesn't have Flyer track, would Flyer purists take offense?  Brooks Stover has a great scale layout, is a great modeler, but I believe he uses American Models track.  No railroad used rail that heavy.  So, is the railroad really scale?  I think S draws too many distinctions and gets too hung up on the subsets of the scale.  Bottom line, if you're happy with what you have done, that's what counts.  After all, it's your railroad.  
                                                                                                                                                                      Ron Kemp

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76656 From: traindavid Date: 9/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Latest Dispatch
                                                                                                                                                                      I'm with Stumpy--first, have FUN with your trains, no matter what someone
                                                                                                                                                                      calls your layout.
                                                                                                                                                                      In my book, "Traditional" is a layout on plywood using mostly period
                                                                                                                                                                      accessories, buildings, etc. There is little "prototypical" operation and
                                                                                                                                                                      quite often the layout table is quite "busy".
                                                                                                                                                                      Now when one takes their AF (or other brands) equipment, creates a layout
                                                                                                                                                                      with scenic grade changes, an attempt at realistic scenery and "scene
                                                                                                                                                                      settings" that's what I call High-Rail. The ACG factory and Hall of Science
                                                                                                                                                                      layouts, I think, fall into that category. Operations may not be
                                                                                                                                                                      prototypical, but are set to be somewhat believable, even if all they do is
                                                                                                                                                                      run around in various types of circles (ie, could be folded over onto
                                                                                                                                                                      itself, etc.). Mostly the trains are standard production "toy trains."
                                                                                                                                                                      Scale layouts use scale equipment, track and scenery. Some may be more
                                                                                                                                                                      "Proto 64" than others, but a great attempt is made to have scale scenery,
                                                                                                                                                                      equipment and operations.
                                                                                                                                                                      I may get tarred & feathered for this, but I think each one is a valid
                                                                                                                                                                      enjoyment of the train hobby, and one is not a "natural progression" of
                                                                                                                                                                      another (ie; "I started with toy trains, but I've moved up to scale model
                                                                                                                                                                      railroad"--that, IMHO is a false statement. A truer statement would be, "I
                                                                                                                                                                      started out with toy trains, but I decided I have more fun doing Scale
                                                                                                                                                                      trains." Believe it or not, there are some folks who did scale trains and
                                                                                                                                                                      then decided they had more fun doing "tinplate" trains.)
                                                                                                                                                                      IMHO, it's all about having fun, or challenging oneself to create something
                                                                                                                                                                      (and that's fun too!).
                                                                                                                                                                      Run 'em if ya got 'em!
                                                                                                                                                                      David D.
                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76657 From: bobville Date: 9/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
                                                                                                                                                                      What is the difference as long as you are having fun with your trains. Bob Persing Penna.
                                                                                                                                                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                                                                                      From: tennsgauge@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:16:31 -0400 (EDT)
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Dispatch


                                                                                                                                                                      Tom, what about the "High Scalers", those with highrail wheels but
                                                                                                                                                                      kadee-style couplers and realistic track? Or do I have that mixed up?


                                                                                                                                                                      - Earl Henry, Nashville








                                                                                                                                                                      In a message dated 9/16/2015 2:44:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
                                                                                                                                                                      S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:












                                                                                                                                                                      I just received the latest Dispatch and I noticed a beautiful Am Flyer
                                                                                                                                                                      layout labeled ‘Hi-rail’. Am I the only one who is bothered by this
                                                                                                                                                                      mislabeling? The layout has Gargraves track and ACG switches… it would be hard to
                                                                                                                                                                      be much more ‘traditional’ then that.
                                                                                                                                                                      BTW, it also bothers me when a scale guy refers to a Hi-rail layout as
                                                                                                                                                                      Flyer. For me, there are 3 different categories of standard S layout: Flyer,
                                                                                                                                                                      Hi-rail and scale. There really aren’t any gray areas (I know a lot of
                                                                                                                                                                      people like to claim there is, but not really), just the basic 3.
                                                                                                                                                                      Your comments please.
                                                                                                                                                                      Tom Stoltz
                                                                                                                                                                      in Maine
                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76658 From: James Lyle Date: 9/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
                                                                                                                                                                      Even during the glory days, before J P Morgan Chase almost destroyed Sandha Khan, you could only buy a number three switch.   The builders didn't see a market for four, six or eight.  

                                                                                                                                                                      Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                                      On Sep 16, 2015, at 3:22 PM, 'Thomas Stoltz' tstoltz@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                      I just received the latest Dispatch and I noticed a beautiful Am Flyer layout labeled ‘Hi-rail’.  Am I the only one who is bothered by this mislabeling?  The layout has Gargraves track and ACG switches… it would be hard to be much more ‘traditional’ then that.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      BTW, it also bothers me when a scale guy refers to a Hi-rail layout as Flyer.  For me, there are 3 different categories of standard S layout:  Flyer, Hi-rail and scale.  There really aren’t any gray areas (I know a lot of people like to claim there is, but not really), just the basic 3.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Your comments please.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                      in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76659 From: Roy Inman Date: 9/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: latest Dispatch
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: [S-Trains] Re: latest Dispatch I gather that some of you have received the Dispatch? Our Pony Express delivery here in the hinterland is irregular.

                                                                                                                                                                      Roy Inman


                                                                                                                                                                      on 9/16/15, 9:32 PM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                      It's in the eye of the beholder.  I agree the layout was Flyer, except for the track.  So since it doesn't have Flyer track, would Flyer purists take offense?  Brooks Stover has a great scale layout, is a great modeler, but I believe he uses American Models track.  No railroad used rail that heavy.  So, is the railroad really scale?  I think S draws too many distinctions and gets too hung up on the subsets of the scale.  Bottom line, if you're happy with what you have done, that's what counts.  After all, it's your railroad.  
                                                                                                                                                                      Ron Kemp

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                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76660 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 9/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Scale versus Hi Rail

                                                                                                                                                                      Many years ago in this group this same discussion came about. Only back then there were some real jerks on this S-Trains (NOTICE-Title says S-Trains) group. Thus, there was a faction of Men who went totally off on everyone who was not scale. They ended up forming a new group for Scale 1/64th Modelers only. God forbid you mentioned American Flyer, Hi Rail, Inbred, or anything but Scale. 

                                                                                                                                                                       I really believe the S-People should be more like the N and HO and whatever other scales out there run on different size tracks. They all get along and don't seem to care much about the small details like this.

                                                                                                                                                                       As was stated by another member, and I am sorry the name escapes me, and as I have said for years, it is your TOY TRAIN layout, IF you like it, it really doesn't matter what I think about it. 

                                                                                                                                                                       Now, some may take this as a nasty message, but It is not meant that way. I am just stating some very honest opinion of mine.  IF you are enjoying your Hobby, then please, don't let the opinions of the rest of us shy you away from doing what you enjoy! In the immortal words of THE DUCK,"IF you got 'em, run 'em"!

                                                                                                                                                                      Having fun with my Christmas Village Layout, with pictures coming soon. THE CBTRAINNUT, Chris Burger, Mason Ohio. Very Close to Allen in Hamilton.

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76661 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Digest Number 6858
                                                                                                                                                                      S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Operations: Stick with Flyer Couplers/Covert to Kaydee

                                                                                                                                                                      Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:06 am (PDT) . Posted by:

                                                                                                                                                                      Hello Tom:

                                                                                                                                                                      Can I discuss this further with you? Do you have a direct email address?

                                                                                                                                                                      Joe



                                                                                                                                                                      In a message dated 9/16/2015 11:49:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
                                                                                                                                                                      S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

                                                                                                                                                                      Hey Joe,
                                                                                                                                                                      No question, operation is much better with Kadees (I also think they look
                                                                                                                                                                      much better, too). I prefer the #5 family for several reasons, cost and
                                                                                                                                                                      close coupling being two of them. On another forum I did a photo comparison
                                                                                                                                                                      of various magnet configurations for uncoupling. I use AM and SHS flex,
                                                                                                                                                                      the magnets I use are far cheaper than Kadee’s magnets.
                                                                                                                                                                      Tom Stoltz
                                                                                                                                                                      in Maine

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                                                                                                                                                                      I get the digest format… is there an easy way to do a reply?

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Joe, if you click on my displayed name you will get an email addressed to me

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                      In Maine

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76662 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Digest Number 6859
                                                                                                                                                                      S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains

                                                                                                                                                                      So many great responses;

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Earl, this is what I consider making a gray area where it really doesn’t exist.  Brooks' layout is Hi-rail.  Scenery doesn’t make a layout Flyer or scale… it only shows the talent of the modeler.  One could do Brooks Stover level scenery on a Flyer layout, but it would remain a Flyer layout – great scenery, but still Flyer.  Conversely, would a Flyer link coupler on a brass engine make it Flyer?

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      You need look no further than the track system (rail, turnouts & radius) and I believe you will have a definition for the layout.  The one in the Dispatch with the Gargraves track; ACG switches.  To be Hi-rail and still use Gargraves track you would need to use a Hi-rail turnouts.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      As for my taking it too seriously, my attempt is only to have Hi-rail in its rightful place.  It is neither Flyer (though Flyer can generally run on a HR layout) nor is it scale (though, again, depending on the turnouts used, scale can run on a HR layout).  It is where the vast majority on S scale play.  I think agreeing on some standard definitions might take some of the confusion out of it.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      If you can run Flyer, Hi-rail and scale in the same train, then there is no question… it has to be Hi-rail.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                      in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       


                                                                                                                                                                      From: "tennsgauge@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 6:16 PM
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Dispatch

                                                                                                                                                                        Tom, what about the "High Scalers", those with highrail wheels but kadee-style couplers and realistic track?  Or do I have that mixed up?   -  Earl Henry, Nashville   In a message dated 9/16/2015 2:44:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, S-

                                                                                                                                                                      Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:59 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

                                                                                                                                                                      "Tom Hawley" hawleythos

                                                                                                                                                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                                                                                      From: tennsgauge@... [S-Trains]
                                                                                                                                                                      . . . , what about the "High Scalers", those with highrail wheels but kadee-style couplers. . . . . .

                                                                                                                                                                      > > > > > > > > > >
                                                                                                                                                                      And what about what what some of us did just today? We ran a train around the middle loop of our SMSG layout, with a locomotive having scale wheels & scale couplers, and a train of mostly high-rail wheels. At one point in the train we had a car with a scale coupler at one end and an AF-size coupler at the other end. And our scenery attempts to be as realistic as we're capable of. The rail is not high enough to look toyish. The track has two turnouts, but we can run both scale and highrail thru these turnouts because they have Tom Stoltz frogs.

                                                                                                                                                                      Actually, if I have to be put in a catagory, it would none of the 3 or 4 above, but just model railroader.

                                                                                                                                                                      tom Hawley -- Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers.

                                                                                                                                                                      Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

                                                                                                                                                                      "kempfam"

                                                                                                                                                                      It's in the eye of the beholder.  I agree the layout was Flyer, except for the track.  So since it doesn't have Flyer track, would Flyer purists take offense?  Brooks Stover has a great scale layout, is a great modeler, but I believe he uses American Models track.  No railroad used rail that heavy.  So, is the railroad really scale?  I think S draws too many distinctions and gets too hung up on the subsets of the scale.  Bottom line, if you're happy with what you have done, that's what counts.  After all, it's your railroad.  
                                                                                                                                                                      Ron Kemp


                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76663 From: tennsgauger Date: 9/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Digest Number 6859
                                                                                                                                                                      Its just a shame we do not have one universal track system so that it is unnecessary to have these discussions over and over again. 
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       - Earl Henry, Nashville
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      In a message dated 9/17/2015 2:46:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      So many great responses;

                                                                                                                                                                      Earl, this is what I consider making a gray area where it really doesn’t exist.  Brooks' layout is Hi-rail.  Scenery doesn’t make a layout Flyer or scale… it only shows the talent of the modeler.  One could do Brooks Stover level scenery on a Flyer layout, but it would remain a Flyer layout – great scenery, but still Flyer.  Conversely, would a Flyer link coupler on a brass engine make it Flyer?

                                                                                                                                                                      You need look no further than the track system (rail, turnouts & radius) and I believe you will have a definition for the layout.  The one in the Dispatch with the Gargraves track; ACG switches.  To be Hi-rail and still use Gargraves track you would need to use a Hi-rail turnouts.

                                                                                                                                                                      As for my taking it too seriously, my attempt is only to have Hi-rail in its rightful place.  It is neither Flyer (though Flyer can generally run on a HR layout) nor is it scale (though, again, depending on the turnouts used, scale can run on a HR layout).  It is where the vast majority on S scale play.  I think agreeing on some standard definitions might take some of the confusion out of it.

                                                                                                                                                                      If you can run Flyer, Hi-rail and scale in the same train, then there is no question… it has to be Hi-rail.

                                                                                                                                                                      Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                      in Maine


                                                                                                                                                                      From: "tennsgauge@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 6:16 PM
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Dispatch

                                                                                                                                                                        Tom, what about the "High Scalers", those with highrail wheels but kadee-style couplers and realistic track?  Or do I have that mixed up?   -  Earl Henry, Nashville   In a message dated 9/16/2015 2:44:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, S-

                                                                                                                                                                      Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:59 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

                                                                                                                                                                      "Tom Hawley" hawleythos

                                                                                                                                                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                                                                                      From: tennsgauge@... [S-Trains]
                                                                                                                                                                      . . . , what about the "High Scalers", those with highrail wheels but kadee-style couplers. . . . . .
                                                                                                                                                                      > > > > > > > > > >
                                                                                                                                                                      And what about what what some of us did just today? We ran a train around the middle loop of our SMSG layout, with a locomotive having scale wheels & scale couplers, and a train of mostly high-rail wheels. At one point in the train we had a car with a scale coupler at one end and an AF-size coupler at the other end. And our scenery attempts to be as realistic as we're capable of. The rail is not high enough to look toyish. The track has two turnouts, but we can run both scale and highrail thru these turnouts because they have Tom Stoltz frogs.

                                                                                                                                                                      Actually, if I have to be put in a catagory, it would none of the 3 or 4 above, but just model railroader.

                                                                                                                                                                      tom Hawley -- Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers.

                                                                                                                                                                      Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

                                                                                                                                                                      "kempfam"

                                                                                                                                                                      It's in the eye of the beholder.  I agree the layout was Flyer, except for the track.  So since it doesn't have Flyer track, would Flyer purists take offense?  Brooks Stover has a great scale layout, is a great modeler, but I believe he uses American Models track.  No railroad used rail that heavy.  So, is the railroad really scale?  I think S draws too many distinctions and gets too hung up on the subsets of the scale.  Bottom line, if you're happy with what you have done, that's what counts.  After all, it's your railroad.  
                                                                                                                                                                      Ron Kemp


                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76664 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 9/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Scale versus Hi Rail
                                                                                                                                                                      Please pardon me for this but I believe it is so asinine to argue over Scale and Hi-Rail. I look at it this way. it's YOUR railroad and as long as you like it who cares. Linn Westcott told me that many years ago when he was still editor of Model Railroader. In the same breath he said if you want to run a Big Boy on your Northern Pacific so what it's your railroad. On the same note I say if you want to run Hi-Rail then by all means go for it. I personally like scale but I am not going to criticize anyone who wants to run HI-Rail. I don't care which you model but enjoy doing so. And far be it from anyone to tell you differently. Just run your trains and have fun doing it and any critics can go jump in the lake.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Kalispell, MT
                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76665 From: ecphora123 Date: 9/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Digest Number 6859
                                                                                                                                                                      I must admit that all the replies on this confuse me. In looking at the photo, I see nothing that approaches HI Rail except possibly the Gargraves track itself.  What is there is basically a nice display off Flyer accessories, but no scenery, ballast, roadbed or scale like structures to be seen. Unless I missed one of the posts, everyone is focused on the track, but not the elephant in the room.

                                                                                                                                                                       Unless I am incorrect, a hi-rail model railroad is a pike on which you couldn't differentiate it from scale, until you looked at the over-sized rail size. What would you call a model railroad where someone took Flyer code 220 rail, removed it from the metal ties, and spiked it down on wooden ties glued to roadbed. Then  added scenery and scale structures to the whole thing? How would that be any different from using Gargraves in the same environment?

                                                                                                                                                                      Gene Cimino

                                                                                                                                                                      Gene Cimino
                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76666 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Scale versus Hi Rail
                                                                                                                                                                      From: Alan Lambert
                                                                                                                                                                               Lone Star Flyer Club

                                                                                                                                                                      Chris,

                                                                                                                                                                      That is the only reason I use the word "gauge".  N gauge; HO gauge; O gauge; G gauge. It's my train and i'll call it what I want to.
                                                                                                                                                                         Alan 
                                                                                                                                                                       



                                                                                                                                                                      From: "chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:23 PM
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Scale versus Hi Rail

                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      Many years ago in this group this same discussion came about. Only back then there were some real jerks on this S-Trains (NOTICE-Title says S-Trains) group. Thus, there was a faction of Men who went totally off on everyone who was not scale. They ended up forming a new group for Scale 1/64th Modelers only. God forbid you mentioned American Flyer, Hi Rail, Inbred, or anything but Scale. 
                                                                                                                                                                       I really believe the S-People should be more like the N and HO and whatever other scales out there run on different size tracks. They all get along and don't seem to care much about the small details like this.
                                                                                                                                                                       As was stated by another member, and I am sorry the name escapes me, and as I have said for years, it is your TOY TRAIN layout, IF you like it, it really doesn't matter what I think about it. 
                                                                                                                                                                       Now, some may take this as a nasty message, but It is not meant that way. I am just stating some very honest opinion of mine.  IF you are enjoying your Hobby, then please, don't let the opinions of the rest of us shy you away from doing what you enjoy! In the immortal words of THE DUCK,"IF you got 'em, run 'em"!
                                                                                                                                                                      Having fun with my Christmas Village Layout, with pictures coming soon. THE CBTRAINNUT, Chris Burger, Mason Ohio. Very Close to Allen in Hamilton.


                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76667 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 9/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Digest Number 6859

                                                                                                                                                                      The earliest reference I could find in a MR search was the June 1944 issue in a Polk’s ad referring to O Gauge switches.

                                                                                                                                                                      In the December 1944 issue there is an article about an O Gauge3 rail layout with handlaid track.  “Witness the results attained on the “Morgan Lines”, not a scale layout but a strictly “hi-rail” affair (tinplate basis).”

                                                                                                                                                                      Another ad in the November 1946 issue is for Scale-Rite O and S Scale solid t-rail track on wood ties with ballasted cork roadbed and refers to “Scale, Toy, or Hi-Rail operation.

                                                                                                                                                                      In the March 1947 issue an ad for Kramer Brothers Model Distributors (who went on to become Life-Like and Lifefoam) was selling Hi-Rail for HO and state it could also be used for OO and S gauge..code or size not specified.

                                                                                                                                                                      The June 1949 issue started a department called “Tinplate and Hi-Rail”.   Tinplate apparently meant use of standard Lionel or American Flyer sectional track.  A more careful reading of the back issues may come up with Kalmbach’s definition of “Hi-Rail” But I would guess it would probably come down to the track. 

                                                                                                                                                                      Back in the day my dad took my AF Hudson towards the scale end of things with the addition of a metal bodied Alco switcher powered by scale wheeled Miller power trucks.  The layout he started to build in my grandfather’s basement used Tru-Scale wood roadbed and Code 125 brass rail.   I would characterize that combo as “Hi-Rail” as the turnouts were still moveable point frog to accommodate Flyer engines (the Alco would derail if you went through a AF switch at any speed). 

                                                                                                                                                                      At least “Tinplate” is a little better term than “Toy Train”.   Hi-Rail just refers to track that can accommodate AF equipment. Scale means something other than traditional AF….even though we Flyer guys know that our stuff was closer to scale and that the distinctions don’t mean as much as they would if we were talking 3-rail O or O-27!!!

                                                                                                                                                                      Charlie Vlk

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76668 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Digest Number 6859
                                                                                                                                                                      From: Alan Lambert
                                                                                                                                                                               Lone Star Flyer Club

                                                                                                                                                                      Earl,
                                                                                                                                                                      If I remember right, didn't SHS use the word "compatable" with their track system. They made it for both High Rail and Scale Wheel sets. Another reason I use the word "gauge.
                                                                                                                                                                        Alan
                                                                                                                                                                       



                                                                                                                                                                      From: "tennsgauge@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:54 PM
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 6859

                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      Its just a shame we do not have one universal track system so that it is unnecessary to have these discussions over and over again. 
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       - Earl Henry, Nashville
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      In a message dated 9/17/2015 2:46:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:


                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      So many great responses;
                                                                                                                                                                      Earl, this is what I consider making a gray area where it really doesn’t exist.  Brooks' layout is Hi-rail.  Scenery doesn’t make a layout Flyer or scale… it only shows the talent of the modeler.  One could do Brooks Stover level scenery on a Flyer layout, but it would remain a Flyer layout – great scenery, but still Flyer.  Conversely, would a Flyer link coupler on a brass engine make it Flyer?
                                                                                                                                                                      You need look no further than the track system (rail, turnouts & radius) and I believe you will have a definition for the layout.  The one in the Dispatch with the Gargraves track; ACG switches.  To be Hi-rail and still use Gargraves track you would need to use a Hi-rail turnouts.
                                                                                                                                                                      As for my taking it too seriously, my attempt is only to have Hi-rail in its rightful place.  It is neither Flyer (though Flyer can generally run on a HR layout) nor is it scale (though, again, depending on the turnouts used, scale can run on a HR layout).  It is where the vast majority on S scale play.  I think agreeing on some standard definitions might take some of the confusion out of it.
                                                                                                                                                                      If you can run Flyer, Hi-rail and scale in the same train, then there is no question… it has to be Hi-rail.
                                                                                                                                                                      Tom Stoltz
                                                                                                                                                                      in Maine


                                                                                                                                                                      From: "tennsgauge@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 6:16 PM
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Dispatch

                                                                                                                                                                        Tom, what about the "High Scalers", those with highrail wheels but kadee-style couplers and realistic track?  Or do I have that mixed up?   -  Earl Henry, Nashville   In a message dated 9/16/2015 2:44:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, S-

                                                                                                                                                                      Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:59 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

                                                                                                                                                                      "Tom Hawley" hawleythos

                                                                                                                                                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                                                                                      From: tennsgauge@... [S-Trains]
                                                                                                                                                                      . . . , what about the "High Scalers", those with highrail wheels but kadee-style couplers. . . . . .
                                                                                                                                                                      > > > > > > > > > >
                                                                                                                                                                      And what about what what some of us did just today? We ran a train around the middle loop of our SMSG layout, with a locomotive having scale wheels & scale couplers, and a train of mostly high-rail wheels. At one point in the train we had a car with a scale coupler at one end and an AF-size coupler at the other end. And our scenery attempts to be as realistic as we're capable of. The rail is not high enough to look toyish. The track has two turnouts, but we can run both scale and highrail thru these turnouts because they have Tom Stoltz frogs.

                                                                                                                                                                      Actually, if I have to be put in a catagory, it would none of the 3 or 4 above, but just model railroader.

                                                                                                                                                                      tom Hawley -- Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers.

                                                                                                                                                                      Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

                                                                                                                                                                      "kempfam"

                                                                                                                                                                      It's in the eye of the beholder.  I agree the layout was Flyer, except for the track.  So since it doesn't have Flyer track, would Flyer purists take offense?  Brooks Stover has a great scale layout, is a great modeler, but I believe he uses American Models track.  No railroad used rail that heavy.  So, is the railroad really scale?  I think S draws too many distinctions and gets too hung up on the subsets of the scale.  Bottom line, if you're happy with what you have done, that's what counts.  After all, it's your railroad.  
                                                                                                                                                                      Ron Kemp




                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76669 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 9/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Digest Number 6859

                                                                                                                                                                      Standards are extremely useful and necessary for very many things.  They are also the antithesis of imagination and fun.   

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      The crux of the matter is that when one scales the dimension of length, surface area will change with the square of length, and volume and mass will vary as the cube of length.  Thus, some of the physics and engineering that goes into designing and building a mechanical system goes out the window when the system is scaled in size either up or down.  As physical size changes, a scaled locomotive may not run properly on a scaled rail because things like gravity, inertia, and material strength cannot also be scaled.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      As others have already said, these are TOY trains.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      So, enjoy them, run them, and have fun.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Jerry F.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:54 PM
                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 6859

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Its just a shame we do not have one universal track system so that it is unnecessary to have these discussions over and over again. 

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       - Earl Henry, Nashville

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      In a message dated 9/17/2015 2:46:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      So many great responses;

                                                                                                                                                                      Earl, this is what I consider making a gray area where it really doesn’t exist.  Brooks' layout is Hi-rail.  Scenery doesn’t make a layout Flyer or scale… it only shows the talent of the modeler.  One could do Brooks Stover level scenery on a Flyer layout, but it would remain a Flyer layout – great scenery, but still Flyer.  Conversely, would a Flyer link coupler on a brass engine make it Flyer?

                                                                                                                                                                      You need look no further than the track system (rail, turnouts & radius) and I believe you will have a definition for the layout.  The one in the Dispatch with the Gargraves track; ACG switches.  To be Hi-rail and still use Gargraves track you would need to use a Hi-rail turnouts.

                                                                                                                                                                      As for my taking it too seriously, my attempt is only to have Hi-rail in its rightful place.  It is neither Flyer (though Flyer can generally run on a HR layout) nor is it scale (though, again, depending on the turnouts used, scale can run on a HR layout).  It is where the vast majority on S scale play.  I think agreeing on some standard definitions might take some of the confusion out of it.

                                                                                                                                                                      If you can run Flyer, Hi-rail and scale in the same train, then there is no question… it has to be Hi-rail.

                                                                                                                                                                      Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                      in Maine


                                                                                                                                                                      From: "tennsgauge@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 6:16 PM
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Dispatch

                                                                                                                                                                        Tom, what about the "High Scalers", those with highrail wheels but kadee-style couplers and realistic track?  Or do I have that mixed up?   -  Earl Henry, Nashville   In a message dated 9/16/2015 2:44:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, S-

                                                                                                                                                                      Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:59 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

                                                                                                                                                                      "Tom Hawley" hawleythos

                                                                                                                                                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                                                                                      From: tennsgauge@... [S-Trains]
                                                                                                                                                                      . . . , what about the "High Scalers", those with highrail wheels but kadee-style couplers. . . . . .
                                                                                                                                                                      > > > > > > > > > >
                                                                                                                                                                      And what about what what some of us did just today? We ran a train around the middle loop of our SMSG layout, with a locomotive having scale wheels & scale couplers, and a train of mostly high-rail wheels. At one point in the train we had a car with a scale coupler at one end and an AF-size coupler at the other end. And our scenery attempts to be as realistic as we're capable of. The rail is not high enough to look toyish. The track has two turnouts, but we can run both scale and highrail thru these turnouts because they have Tom Stoltz frogs.

                                                                                                                                                                      Actually, if I have to be put in a catagory, it would none of the 3 or 4 above, but just model railroader.

                                                                                                                                                                      tom Hawley -- Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers.

                                                                                                                                                                      Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

                                                                                                                                                                      "kempfam"

                                                                                                                                                                      It's in the eye of the beholder.  I agree the layout was Flyer, except for the track.  So since it doesn't have Flyer track, would Flyer purists take offense?  Brooks Stover has a great scale layout, is a great modeler, but I believe he uses American Models track.  No railroad used rail that heavy.  So, is the railroad really scale?  I think S draws too many distinctions and gets too hung up on the subsets of the scale.  Bottom line, if you're happy with what you have done, that's what counts.  After all, it's your railroad.  
                                                                                                                                                                      Ron Kemp



                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76670 From: yorktown26 Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Scale versus Hi Rail
                                                                                                                                                                      AMEN To your message sir !!    Some of the members are trying to be politically correct in a world where there is to much of it. Labeling , Scale ,AF, Hi rail or any combination, when a layout is not labelled correctly as to someone's opinion it's almost insanity. " S " can also stand for Sanity. Let's all enjoy the hobby. It should bring happiness and joy.  Peace !!!!
                                                                                                                                                                      Dennis
                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76671 From: afjeff_56 Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Flyer Fest West (a S Gauge meet)

                                                                                                                                                                       Flyer Fest West  is this weekend in Elk Grove, California at the SES hall...  Info.   ffw2015@...  

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76672 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Scale vs toy

                                                                                                                                                                      Actually, I think that you just CANNOT do everything in model railroading to accurate scale.  You can TRY, and often do it, but there are limitations that the HO folks have struggling with for a long time.  For instance, Code 100 rail is the main rail size used, but is awful heavy rail in scale.  The wheel flanges are tiny, but still incorrect unless you are among those who use the exact scale standards.  Even with these two over scale standards, the damn trains don't stay on the track reliably.


                                                                                                                                                                      The modern HO trend is toward ready to run rolling stock with extremely fine detail.  The problem is that when over scale fingers need to handle these cars (such as after a derailment) the handrails, grab irons, and so on are damaged or broken off.


                                                                                                                                                                      These are just two of many reasons that doing anything in exact scale is a fool's errand.  The trains may be correct in the chosen scale, but they still exist in a full size world and must survive the handling of full size people. Certain dimensions and engineering MUST be changed to make it all work.


                                                                                                                                                                      It's no fun when you pay a ridiculous price for something that breaks easily or doesn't run as well as the prototype we all follow.  I'd rather have the fun.


                                                                                                                                                                      Stumpy in Ahia 

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76673 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Scale versus Hi Rail

                                                                                                                                                                      Why it matters:

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      I do not disagree that your trains should be fun and being your trains you are free to do as you please… I know I do.  However as Jerry F put so well: ‘Standards are extremely useful and necessary for very many things’.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Example:

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      There is a reviewer on another forum who did a review of the Lionel Berk (he got an advance copy for the review) and stated that the Hi-railer will be very happy with this engine.  So I think to myself, Oh boy another Mikado, Pacific or Y3… this is good.  But the reality of this engine is; great for Flyer, but disappointing for Hi-rail and scale need not apply.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Had I purchased this engine expecting a nice Hi-rail locomotive I would have been not too happy. 

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Jerry, I do disagree that standards the antithesis of imagination and fun.  For the designer, the standards set the parameters for the design.  However, that is for another discussion.  As is: ‘a scaled locomotive may not run properly on a scaled rail because things like gravity, inertia, and material strength cannot also be scaled.’  I think time (which gives you speed) could be added to this list.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                      in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76674 From: traindavid Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Definition of Hi-Rail
                                                                                                                                                                      Tom S. wrote:, You need look no further than the track system (rail,
                                                                                                                                                                      turnouts & radius) and I believe you will have a definition for the layout.
                                                                                                                                                                      The one in the Dispatch with the Gargraves track; ACG switches. To be
                                                                                                                                                                      Hi-rail and still use Gargraves track you would need to use a Hi-rail
                                                                                                                                                                      turnouts"


                                                                                                                                                                      That may be YOUR definition of Hi-Rail, but it is not the traditional
                                                                                                                                                                      definition. Hi-Rail was defined as any layout with detailed scenery and a
                                                                                                                                                                      high level of realism, but using "toy train" track. Look back through the
                                                                                                                                                                      old hobby magazines and you will find many photos of layouts titled
                                                                                                                                                                      "Hi-Rail" with standard tubular track. I recently worked on one layout that
                                                                                                                                                                      part of it is definitely Hi-rail with nice scenery, but the other part of it
                                                                                                                                                                      is completely "toy train" with a complete county fair scene. He calls it a
                                                                                                                                                                      "toy train layout."
                                                                                                                                                                      Hi-rail has always been a bit of a grey area, but to take someone's layout
                                                                                                                                                                      and categorize it because he/she chose to use an American Flyer turnout
                                                                                                                                                                      doesn't make sense to me.
                                                                                                                                                                      Actually, I don't see the real need to categorize everything into a specific
                                                                                                                                                                      "niche". It's not like were going to get a tax deduction if our therapeutic
                                                                                                                                                                      layout is Traditional, Hi-Rail, or Scale!
                                                                                                                                                                      The important thing is "Are you having fun?" not, "My Layout's better than
                                                                                                                                                                      yours because I use SCALE track!" One cannot even say, "My layout's better
                                                                                                                                                                      than yours because everything runs well and I'm not constantly fixing it!"
                                                                                                                                                                      because maybe that's what the guy/gal likes to do and has more fun fixing
                                                                                                                                                                      stuff than running stuff! "Gee, my layout's better than yours because it's
                                                                                                                                                                      never done!!"
                                                                                                                                                                      We all have our ways of enjoying the hobby, let us just celebrate that!
                                                                                                                                                                      S'incerely,
                                                                                                                                                                      David Dewey
                                                                                                                                                                      PS, Since we are all in the "dark" scale/gauge of S, don't forget that
                                                                                                                                                                      Saturday, the 19th is "Talk Like a Pirate" day; "ARRG maty, Ye be walkin'
                                                                                                                                                                      the plank for havin' three rail track!"
                                                                                                                                                                      And, BTW, it is also Flyer Fest West day In Elk Grove, CA. largest all S
                                                                                                                                                                      meet in California! My clinic will be difficult to do as a Pirate though. .
                                                                                                                                                                      . .(sorry Tom, my clinic is all on how to layout tinplate track for reliable
                                                                                                                                                                      operation!)
                                                                                                                                                                      Oh, Do you know who, historically, was the first "Techno-Group?"


                                                                                                                                                                      Pirates!!! They had "I-Patch"!
                                                                                                                                                                      :)
                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76675 From: Michael Fox Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Definition of Hi-Rail
                                                                                                                                                                      There's an old adage that goes like this.  

                                                                                                                                                                      There are two kinds of people in the world: those who think there are two kinds of people in this world and those who don't. 

                                                                                                                                                                      I guess in 1:64 (and in 1:48 scale) we'll have to make it three kinds of people.

                                                                                                                                                                      Lumpers and spliters.

                                                                                                                                                                      It's obvious, as Dave has pointed out, that there are many  more facets of modelling beyond wheels, track and couplers that could/would have to be taken into account in describing any given layout: scenery, structures, engines and cars, operations, and sound.  

                                                                                                                                                                      What would one call a layout with equipment and track built to fine scale standards where the train just went around  and around in circles on a sheet of plywood?

                                                                                                                                                                      While I understand a bit of the history and perhaps some of the motivation and utility behind the use of these categories, it seems to me that in reality what we actually have is a continuum of practice across multiple facets of this hobby.  Each of  us finds a niche along that spectrum of modelling that fits our personal interests, abilities, time and resources. 

                                                                                                                                                                      Michael Fox

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                                                                                                                                                                      From:"djdewey@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                      Date:Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 1:56 PM
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject:[S-Trains] Definition of Hi-Rail

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Tom S. wrote:, You need look no further than the track system (rail,
                                                                                                                                                                      turnouts & radius) and I believe you will have a definition for the layout.
                                                                                                                                                                      The one in the Dispatch with the Gargraves track; ACG switches. To be
                                                                                                                                                                      Hi-rail and still use Gargraves track you would need to use a Hi-rail
                                                                                                                                                                      turnouts"

                                                                                                                                                                      That may be YOUR definition of Hi-Rail, but it is not the traditional
                                                                                                                                                                      definition. Hi-Rail was defined as any layout with detailed scenery and a
                                                                                                                                                                      high level of realism, but using "toy train" track. Look back through the
                                                                                                                                                                      old hobby magazines and you will find many photos of layouts titled
                                                                                                                                                                      "Hi-Rail" with standard tubular track. I recently worked on one layout that
                                                                                                                                                                      part of it is definitely Hi-rail with nice scenery, but the other part of it
                                                                                                                                                                      is completely "toy train" with a complete county fair scene. He calls it a
                                                                                                                                                                      "toy train layout."
                                                                                                                                                                      Hi-rail has always been a bit of a grey area, but to take someone's layout
                                                                                                                                                                      and categorize it because he/she chose to use an American Flyer turnout
                                                                                                                                                                      doesn't make sense to me.
                                                                                                                                                                      Actually, I don't see the real need to categorize everything into a specific
                                                                                                                                                                      "niche". It's not like were going to get a tax deduction if our therapeutic
                                                                                                                                                                      layout is Traditional, Hi-Rail, or Scale!
                                                                                                                                                                      The important thing is "Are you having fun?" not, "My Layout's better than
                                                                                                                                                                      yours because I use SCALE track!" One cannot even say, "My layout's better
                                                                                                                                                                      than yours because everything runs well and I'm not constantly fixing it!"
                                                                                                                                                                      because maybe that's what the guy/gal likes to do and has more fun fixing
                                                                                                                                                                      stuff than running stuff! "Gee, my layout's better than yours because it's
                                                                                                                                                                      never done!!"
                                                                                                                                                                      We all have our ways of enjoying the hobby, let us just celebrate that!
                                                                                                                                                                      S'incerely,
                                                                                                                                                                      David Dewey
                                                                                                                                                                      PS, Since we are all in the "dark" scale/gauge of S, don't forget that
                                                                                                                                                                      Saturday, the 19th is "Talk Like a Pirate" day; "ARRG maty, Ye be walkin'
                                                                                                                                                                      the plank for havin' three rail track!"
                                                                                                                                                                      And, BTW, it is also Flyer Fest West day In Elk Grove, CA. largest all S
                                                                                                                                                                      meet in California! My clinic will be difficult to do as a Pirate though. .
                                                                                                                                                                      . .(sorry Tom, my clinic is all on how to layout tinplate track for reliable
                                                                                                                                                                      operation!)
                                                                                                                                                                      Oh, Do you know who, historically, was the first "Techno-Group?"

                                                                                                                                                                      Pirates!!! They had "I-Patch"!
                                                                                                                                                                      :)


                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76676 From: Paul A Krause Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Scale versus Hi Rail

                                                                                                                                                                      Tom/Stumpy and Group,

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                        First, discussing this topic on this forum is like whacking a hornet’s nest.   Just my humble opinion.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                        Just my humble opinion -  the reality of it comes down to the trains wheel flanges and what they can operate on.  

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                        Putting Kadee 5s or 802s on a car or engine does not constitute scale. 

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                        Building a great looking layout does not constitute scale, as we have all reasonably agreed upon but it does make it look great.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                        Even the rail type does not constitute scale or high rail or Flyer (Flyonel included) as we have seen.  Granted, each of those wheel flanges does have its merits and its disadvantages.  Here are a few:

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                        Flyer Wheelsets

                                                                                                                                                                      1.       Flyer wheel sets (and anything like them) are very sturdy and typically constitute running as a purist for Flyer and Flyonel.  They also allow for on the floor, table top (plywood) or whatever construction design where traditional hi-profile tube track is used. 

                                                                                                                                                                      2.       Typically allow for a very budget conscious person to quickly build a layout since most “flyer” track is obtained reasonably cheep.

                                                                                                                                                                      3.       Forgiving when it comes to accurate track laying.

                                                                                                                                                                      4.       Usually collectors, nostalgias’, purists, toy train enthusiasts  - where enjoyment of the original design is what they had as a kid and do not want to convert to other types of “S”

                                                                                                                                                                      5.       Are for train lovers where that kind of operational design is of little matter, running trains matters and much pleasure is derived from it.

                                                                                                                                                                      6.       Typically a tin-plate type of operation and running trains (one or many) on a small or very large layout is the main goal.

                                                                                                                                                                      7.       Where a train set up can be done rather quickly and easily. 

                                                                                                                                                                      8.       If you run older Flyer and to an extent newer flyer, you are confronted with equipment issues and repair more frequently.  BUT not always.  The older equipment (especially engines and electrical) are very problematic for the non-repair person.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Hi-Rail Wheelsets–

                                                                                                                                                                      1.       Provided a more “realistic” looking engine or rolling stock.  Note the phrase “realistic” because as the hobby has matured over the last 70 years the ability to produce more detail and definition has become more cost effective .   I would say that was AC Gilberts initial goal with the tool and die equipment he had based on his budget.  Look at the 0-8-0 switcher or Hudson or even the Northerns.  They all exuded detail with what was capable of the industry at the time. 

                                                                                                                                                                      2.       Allowed a transition to more market driven railroad track.  As the hobby matured, the goal was to make model train tracks look more like the real thing.

                                                                                                                                                                      3.       Gave birth to snap track like S-Helper, Lionel Fast Tracks and MTH (all referring to S of course).  This allowed more accurate looking layouts and Christmas tree set ups that were electrically more reliable and easier to maintain.

                                                                                                                                                                      4.       Allowed for more efficient electrical designs for engine and accessory rolling stock pick-up capability.  The newer Flyonel and MTH engines can all run much better.   Try to build an articulated engine with flyer wheel sets for drivers and expect them to run reliably.

                                                                                                                                                                      5.       Still maintained the high reliability of train running where “accurate” track work was still not as essential but provided for more realistic running.  Hi-rail wheelsets do not easily derail when the track work is not of a high standard.

                                                                                                                                                                      6.       Disadvantage (as with Flyer) is the use of turnouts.  You are still limited to Flyer #3s or S-Helper’s #3s.  That is rough on trains and couplers and caused derails if not allowing for a lot of transition room.  There are some alternatives such as Gragraves turnouts and the newer Flyer Fast Tracks.  (I have not seen the latter in operation).

                                                                                                                                                                      7.       Advantage…could be the option that saves S-Gauge from doom… since O-Gauge vs O-Scale is also very popular.  BUT… O-Gauge is becoming ever more like O-scale because of detail.  But, O-Gauge is here to stay. 

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Scale Wheelsets –

                                                                                                                                                                      1.       Allow for very flexible equipment types and layouts and is also for those that want more out of model railroading than running trains around continuously. (please do not interpret that as I am thinking trains running on a layout in a circle as boring…it has its place and is very enjoyable and relaxing – I refer to it as continuous operation and I like it.)

                                                                                                                                                                      2.       Establishes a foundation for a greater availability of equipment types and eras for modeling.

                                                                                                                                                                      3.       Provides for use of all types of turnouts and switching.

                                                                                                                                                                      4.       Supports the use of multiple rail sizes (codes 70-148) and any type of layout design.  Not limited to fixed track designs although sometimes the snap track is nice…it is quick.

                                                                                                                                                                      5.       Allow for accurate train handling and to take advantage of all train control systems.

                                                                                                                                                                      6.       Personally, to me Scale is where the future is… 

                                                                                                                                                                      7.       If the S community is ever going to have a future it is here with Scale – secondarily with Hi-rail.  Especially if we expect to have N or HO modelers convert to “scale up” for size.  That was me…..  There are just too many folks who want realism today and if we old timers (I am now 59) do not allow the hobby to transition because we cannot handle it, then we are doomed.

                                                                                                                                                                      8.       Do you want more affordable and variety of equipment?…then we have to transition.  That is why HO is where it is today.  If S had gone there is the 50s when HO was going there, then it may have been as popular today. 

                                                                                                                                                                      9.       When we cannot handle change, it will happen elsewhere and it is not always where we want it to be.



                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       


                                                                                                                                                                      From:"'Thomas Stoltz' tstoltz@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                      Date:Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:10 PM
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject:[S-Trains] Re: Scale versus Hi Rail

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Why it matters:

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      I do not disagree that your trains should be fun and being your trains you are free to do as you please… I know I do.  However as Jerry F put so well: ‘Standards are extremely useful and necessary for very many things’.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Example:

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      There is a reviewer on another forum who did a review of the Lionel Berk (he got an advance copy for the review) and stated that the Hi-railer will be very happy with this engine.  So I think to myself, Oh boy another Mikado, Pacific or Y3… this is good.  But the reality of this engine is; great for Flyer, but disappointing for Hi-rail and scale need not apply.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Had I purchased this engine expecting a nice Hi-rail locomotive I would have been not too happy. 

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Jerry, I do disagree that standards the antithesis of imagination and fun.  For the designer, the standards set the parameters for the design.  However, that is for another discussion.  As is: ‘a scaled locomotive may not run properly on a scaled rail because things like gravity, inertia, and material strength cannot also be scaled.’  I think time (which gives you speed) could be added to this list.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                      in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76677 From: Dale Smith Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Definition of Hi-Rail
                                                                                                                                                                      David,

                                                                                                                                                                      You hit the nail on the head and I couldn't agree with you more.  Actually the layout in question as pictured in the Dispatch didn't have scenery (yet).   This raises the specter of high rail vs Traditional AF depending on the intention of the builder.  Are all layouts with tubular track traditional until scenery and scale like buildings are added at which point they become high rail?  I don't know any other scale than S that makes such a fuss about this.  And yes there are lots of gray areas in this as in life.

                                                                                                                                                                      Dale Smith

                                                                                                                                                                      On 9/18/2015 10:30 AM, djdewey@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Tom S. wrote:, You need look no further than the track system (rail,
                                                                                                                                                                      turnouts & radius) and I believe you will have a definition for the layout.
                                                                                                                                                                      The one in the Dispatch with the Gargraves track; ACG switches. To be
                                                                                                                                                                      Hi-rail and still use Gargraves track you would need to use a Hi-rail
                                                                                                                                                                      turnouts"

                                                                                                                                                                      That may be YOUR definition of Hi-Rail, but it is not the traditional
                                                                                                                                                                      definition. Hi-Rail was defined as any layout with detailed scenery and a
                                                                                                                                                                      high level of realism, but using "toy train" track. Look back through the
                                                                                                                                                                      old hobby magazines and you will find many photos of layouts titled
                                                                                                                                                                      "Hi-Rail" with standard tubular track. I recently worked on one layout that
                                                                                                                                                                      part of it is definitely Hi-rail with nice scenery, but the other part of it
                                                                                                                                                                      is completely "toy train" with a complete county fair scene. He calls it a
                                                                                                                                                                      "toy train layout."
                                                                                                                                                                      Hi-rail has always been a bit of a grey area, but to take someone's layout
                                                                                                                                                                      and categorize it because he/she chose to use an American Flyer turnout
                                                                                                                                                                      doesn't make sense to me.
                                                                                                                                                                      Actually, I don't see the real need to categorize everything into a specific
                                                                                                                                                                      "niche". It's not like were going to get a tax deduction if our therapeutic
                                                                                                                                                                      layout is Traditional, Hi-Rail, or Scale!
                                                                                                                                                                      The important thing is "Are you having fun?" not, "My Layout's better than
                                                                                                                                                                      yours because I use SCALE track!" One cannot even say, "My layout's better
                                                                                                                                                                      than yours because everything runs well and I'm not constantly fixing it!"
                                                                                                                                                                      because maybe that's what the guy/gal likes to do and has more fun fixing
                                                                                                                                                                      stuff than running stuff! "Gee, my layout's better than yours because it's
                                                                                                                                                                      never done!!"
                                                                                                                                                                      We all have our ways of enjoying the hobby, let us just celebrate that!
                                                                                                                                                                      S'incerely,
                                                                                                                                                                      David Dewey
                                                                                                                                                                      PS, Since we are all in the "dark" scale/gauge of S, don't forget that
                                                                                                                                                                      Saturday, the 19th is "Talk Like a Pirate" day; "ARRG maty, Ye be walkin'
                                                                                                                                                                      the plank for havin' three rail track!"
                                                                                                                                                                      And, BTW, it is also Flyer Fest West day In Elk Grove, CA. largest all S
                                                                                                                                                                      meet in California! My clinic will be difficult to do as a Pirate though. .
                                                                                                                                                                      . .(sorry Tom, my clinic is all on how to layout tinplate track for reliable
                                                                                                                                                                      operation!)
                                                                                                                                                                      Oh, Do you know who, historically, was the first "Techno-Group?"

                                                                                                                                                                      Pirates!!! They had "I-Patch"!
                                                                                                                                                                      :)



                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76678 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Scale versus Hi Rail

                                                                                                                                                                      Hi Tom,

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      There is no need to scale time for the purpose of scaling speed; it is sufficient for one to just scale the distance.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Of course, there are MANY physical properties that can be added to the list of things that do not scale; for example, there is electricity.  If one tries to build an operating scale model of something like an internal combustion engine, there are limits as to how small one can make a spark plug or the insulation on a wire and still get the device to function as it should.    

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      When I said that standards “…are also the antithesis of imagination and fun.”, I perhaps could have chosen my words a bit more carefully.  What I was trying to get at was the notion that standards can limit and restrict the imagination.  For example, we establish standard rail dimensions so that anyone can build a car that can be run on those rails.  However, accepting that standard comes at the “price” of not being able to build a car using wildly different dimensions or shapes. 

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Jerry F.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:44 AM
                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Scale versus Hi Rail

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Why it matters:

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      I do not disagree that your trains should be fun and being your trains you are free to do as you please… I know I do.  However as Jerry F put so well: ‘Standards are extremely useful and necessary for very many things’.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Example:

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      There is a reviewer on another forum who did a review of the Lionel Berk (he got an advance copy for the review) and stated that the Hi-railer will be very happy with this engine.  So I think to myself, Oh boy another Mikado, Pacific or Y3… this is good.  But the reality of this engine is; great for Flyer, but disappointing for Hi-rail and scale need not apply.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Had I purchased this engine expecting a nice Hi-rail locomotive I would have been not too happy. 

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Jerry, I do disagree that standards the antithesis of imagination and fun.  For the designer, the standards set the parameters for the design.  However, that is for another discussion.  As is: ‘a scaled locomotive may not run properly on a scaled rail because things like gravity, inertia, and material strength cannot also be scaled.’  I think time (which gives you speed) could be added to this list.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                      in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76679 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Scale

                                                                                                                                                                      I think I figured this all out. Everyone is wrong. Scale is 1:1 everything else is a toy made a different size. Nuff said. Duck. I Patch was hilarious! Cbtrainnut. Chris Burger

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76680 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Scale
                                                                                                                                                                      Ok gang, here is the final version lolololol a scale is what I step on to weigh myself. If the dial spins around twice and flies off then I'm too heavy. Seriously, I build scale models which are miniatures of the real thing or prototype. In my case I build model trains that are scaled to 3/16 of an inch equals an actual footor as we call it, S scale. They are 1/64 the size of real trains. Some of them are in standard gauge which is the distance between the rail heads or 4 feet 8 and 1/2 inches. For my models this distance is scaled down and with a scale ruler measures that distance. Other of my models are what we call narrow gauge OF which there are several. My particular narrow gauge measures a scale 3 feet between the rails which is a miniaturized version of a 3 foot narrow gauge railroad. So there it is guys gauge is the distance between the rails. No matter what scale it is hi-rail or not it is the distance between the rails. It makes no difference if you are a scaler or hi-railer, standard or narrow gauger, run your trains and have fun doing it and if anybody says anything derogatory just tell them to go jump in the lake.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Kalispell, MT
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  enjoying model trains
                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76681 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Scale
                                                                                                                                                                      From: Alan Lambert
                                                                                                                                                                               Lone Star Flyer Club

                                                                                                                                                                       Bob,
                                                                                                                                                                       I like your answer. I look at it the easy way. All "S' track measures 7/8' between the rail, whether it be High rail or Scale. That comes out to 4ft 8 1/2" in real life.
                                                                                                                                                                         Alan
                                                                                                                                                                       



                                                                                                                                                                      From: "danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 4:26 PM
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Scale

                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      Ok gang, here is the final version lolololol a scale is what I step on to weigh myself. If the dial spins around twice and flies off then I'm too heavy. Seriously, I build scale models which are miniatures of the real thing or prototype. In my case I build model trains that are scaled to 3/16 of an inch equals an actual footor as we call it, S scale. They are 1/64 the size of real trains. Some of them are in standard gauge which is the distance between the rail heads or 4 feet 8 and 1/2 inches. For my models this distance is scaled down and with a scale ruler measures that distance. Other of my models are what we call narrow gauge OF which there are several. My particular narrow gauge measures a scale 3 feet between the rails which is a miniaturized version of a 3 foot narrow gauge railroad. So there it is guys gauge is the distance between the rails. No matter what scale it is hi-rail or not it is the distance between the rails. It makes no difference if you are a scaler or hi-railer, standard or narrow gauger, run your trains and have fun doing it and if anybody says anything derogatory just tell them to go jump in the lake.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Kalispell, MT
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  enjoying model trains


                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76682 From: Frank Emiro Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Scale
                                                                                                                                                                      Lol, very true. 

                                                                                                                                                                      Sent from my iPhone

                                                                                                                                                                      On Sep 18, 2015, at 5:26 PM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Ok gang, here is the final version lolololol a scale is what I step on to weigh myself. If the dial spins around twice and flies off then I'm too heavy. Seriously, I build scale models which are miniatures of the real thing or prototype. In my case I build model trains that are scaled to 3/16 of an inch equals an actual footor as we call it, S scale. They are 1/64 the size of real trains. Some of them are in standard gauge which is the distance between the rail heads or 4 feet 8 and 1/2 inches. For my models this distance is scaled down and with a scale ruler measures that distance. Other of my models are what we call narrow gauge OF which there are several. My particular narrow gauge measures a scale 3 feet between the rails which is a miniaturized version of a 3 foot narrow gauge railroad. So there it is guys gauge is the distance between the rails. No matter what scale it is hi-rail or not it is the distance between the rails. It makes no difference if you are a scaler or hi-railer, standard or narrow gauger, run your trains and have fun doing it and if anybody says anything derogatory just tell them to go jump in the lake.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Kalispell, MT
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  enjoying model trains

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76683 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                      Hello all,

                                                                                                                                                                            This question has probably been discussed before, what are you using to remove paint from plastic safely?

                                                                                                                                                                      Thank you,
                                                                                                                                                                      Harwood



                                                                                                                                                                      :)


                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76684 From: william lewis Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                      Brake fluid, or 90% isopropyl alcohol


                                                                                                                                                                      Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

                                                                                                                                                                      On Sep 18, 2015, 4:54:54 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                      Hello all,

                                                                                                                                                                      This question has probably been discussed before, what are you using to remove paint from plastic safely?

                                                                                                                                                                      Thank you,
                                                                                                                                                                      Harwood



                                                                                                                                                                      :)


                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76685 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                      Super Clean; from the auto dept at Walmart.
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      Herb
                                                                                                                                                                      paflyrman
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:16 PM
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Brake fluid, or 90% isopropyl alcohol


                                                                                                                                                                      Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

                                                                                                                                                                      On Sep 18, 2015, 4:54:54 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                      Hello all,

                                                                                                                                                                      This question has probably been discussed before, what are you using to remove paint from plastic safely?

                                                                                                                                                                      Thank you,
                                                                                                                                                                      Harwood
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      :)


                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76686 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: The Berk

                                                                                                                                                                      I almost skipped over Tom’s comment about the new Berkshire (Polar Express) engine, because I’ve stopped reading all the back-&-forth about scale vs highrail vs AF…..

                                                                                                                                                                      How many times have we beaten that discussion to  death on this forum !

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Anyway, regarding the “Berk”……I haven’t seen the one in the PE set yet, as we’ve been away for almost two weeks and my shipment hasn’t yet arrived.

                                                                                                                                                                      However, my understanding is that the Berk in the PE set is NOT the same as the separate-sale Berks that will deliver in early 2016.

                                                                                                                                                                      The PE Berk , as I understand, lacks much of the detail and features that will be included in the later Berks. This was done in order to keep the cost of the PE set as low as possible.

                                                                                                                                                                      I may be proven wrong, but that’s my understanding from conversations with Lionel personnel.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      <<< Example:

                                                                                                                                                                      There is a reviewer on another forum who did a review of the Lionel Berk (he
                                                                                                                                                                      got an advance copy for the review) and stated that the Hi-railer will be
                                                                                                                                                                      very happy with this engine. So I think to myself, Oh boy another Mikado,
                                                                                                                                                                      Pacific or Y3. this is good. But the reality of this engine is; great for
                                                                                                                                                                      Flyer, but disappointing for Hi-rail and scale need not apply.

                                                                                                                                                                      Had I purchased this engine expecting a nice Hi-rail locomotive I would have
                                                                                                                                                                      been not too happy.

                                                                                                                                                                      >>>

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Doug Peck
                                                                                                                                                                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                                                                                                                                                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                                                                                                                                                                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                                                                                                                                                      doug@...
                                                                                                                                                                      www.portlines.com
                                                                                                                                                                      Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only.
                                                                                                                                                                      978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
                                                                                                                                                                      1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
                                                                                                                                                                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76687 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                      I have used several methods for paint removal. Isopropyl alcohol works but involves a lot of work. Brake fluid (The type used in older cars) works pretty well. Something else that works good is ordinary Pine-Sol. Some have said it will damage the plastic, however, I never had that problem. It would probably be a good idea to test anything you want to use to remove paint on a hidden section of a body shell first to make sure it will not harm the plastic. Unless what you are using is one of the commercially available paint removers specifically designed for models.  Above all do not use Zip Strip or anything similar unless it specifically states safe for use on plastics even if the stuff comes in a plastic container.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kalispell,MT























                                                                                                                                                                      i
                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76688 From: Anthony Cynor Date: 9/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Scale vs toy
                                                                                                                                                                      Yes those ridiculous prices for a boxcar with moulded shut doors touted
                                                                                                                                                                      as super detailed. Then you look at it the wrong way and it falls
                                                                                                                                                                      apart. Meanwhile the old car keeps rolling along and the doors actually
                                                                                                                                                                      open. The only thing that bothers me about this discussion is did we
                                                                                                                                                                      get trolled again?
                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76689 From: snstrains Date: 9/19/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                      My glass beader does the job in about 5 minutes. Very fine plastic beads leave no scars......Have lots of cars to prove it . All of the liquid systems (I favor pine Sol or spic & Span)  require lots of labor with toothbrush etc. to remove the old paint from the edges. Glass beading is the quickest and surest method.  
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      Steve
                                                                                                                                                                      SnS
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      In a message dated 9/18/2015 10:32:21 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      I have used several methods for paint removal. Isopropyl alcohol works but involves a lot of work. Brake fluid (The type used in older cars) works pretty well. Something else that works good is ordinary Pine-Sol. Some have said it will damage the plastic, however, I never had that problem. It would probably be a good idea to test anything you want to use to remove paint on a hidden section of a body shell first to make sure it will not harm the plastic. Unless what you are using is one of the commercially available paint removers specifically designed for models.  Above all do not use Zip Strip or anything similar unless it specifically states safe for use on plastics even if the stuff comes in a plastic container.
                                                                                                                                                                                                       &nb sp;                              Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kalispell,MT























                                                                                                                                                                      i

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76690 From: traindavid Date: 9/19/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Paint & Scale

                                                                                                                                                                      How to remove paint?? That's almost as controversial as our discussion of layout types! I personally would not use brake fluid as it seeps into the plastic pores (Yes, plastic has pores).

                                                                                                                                                                      As to layout types, a fellow S gauger suggests we create a new category: Grey-rail!

                                                                                                                                                                      I thought it funny enough and insightful enough toe post it for him.

                                                                                                                                                                      BTW, Flyer Fest is only 12 hours away!!!! SES Hall, 10427 Stockton Blvd., Elk Grove, CA 95624. Trading Tables, Clinics, Food & lots of great folks to visit!

                                                                                                                                                                      See you there??

                                                                                                                                                                      Run 'em if ya got 'em!!

                                                                                                                                                                      David D.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76691 From: jamiebothwell Date: 9/19/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                      Hello Harwood,
                                                                                                                                                                      I have had success with Easy-Off oven cleaner.  (Read the label carefully.  The stuff is dangerous.)  I like oven cleaner because I don't need to submerge the item in it.  I don't recommend oven cleaner for brass.  I have used Pine Sol on brass, but not plastic.  There are also several commercial paint removers available.
                                                                                                                                                                      Jamie Bothwell 
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      On 09/18/15, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains]<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Hello all,

                                                                                                                                                                            This question has probably been discussed before, what are you using to remove paint from plastic safely?

                                                                                                                                                                      Thank you,
                                                                                                                                                                      Harwood



                                                                                                                                                                      :)


                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76692 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/19/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                       To All,

                                                                                                                                                                       For what it’s worth.

                                                                                                                                                                       The "Easy Off “ works but it is dangerous to use.  Brake fluid works well, but clean up and disposal is an issue for some.

                                                                                                                                                                      I have great success with "Mean Green”  or  "Simple Green” $5.50 per gal and no disposal issues.  Put a bit (approx. 2 oz. of the cleaner in a 10 qt bucket , enough to cover the car or item.  Let it set overnight and use a soft bristle brush to go over the car .  Rinse with warm water and your done.  For a stubborn item put in more cleaner and go again.

                                                                                                                                                                      Hoppes Gun Cleaner works with a cotton swab on car wheels and does not attack the Plastic.

                                                                                                                                                                      Cheers,

                                                                                                                                                                      Old Al in Hamilton



                                                                                                                                                                      On Sep 19, 2015, at 7:14 AM, jamie.bothwell@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                      Hello Harwood,
                                                                                                                                                                      I have had success with Easy-Off oven cleaner.  (Read the label carefully.  The stuff is dangerous.)  I like oven cleaner because I don't need to submerge the item in it.  I don't recommend oven cleaner for brass.  I have used Pine Sol on brass, but not plastic.  There are also several commercial paint removers available.
                                                                                                                                                                      Jamie Bothwell 
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      On 09/18/15, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains]<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Hello all,

                                                                                                                                                                            This question has probably been discussed before, what are you using to remove paint from plastic safely?

                                                                                                                                                                      Thank you,
                                                                                                                                                                      Harwood



                                                                                                                                                                      :)




                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76693 From: icequeen1982 Date: 9/19/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: The Berk
                                                                                                                                                                      I saw the one from the set today and it looked fine to me. I am a hi-railer and we ran it at a function today on our new club layout. It ran flawlessly. It looked different then I was expecting but got all the kids attention none the less.
                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76694 From: James Lyle Date: 9/19/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                      Can we waste time on something else, like TRYING to get a better selection of switches.   Like a #4, #6, # 8, wyes etc.  Obviously would a waste for LyingL, even if they knew what we were asking for.
                                                                                                                                                                      MTH & AM are my best choices, still working on my budds at GarGraves.


                                                                                                                                                                      Jim Lyle

                                                                                                                                                                      Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                                      On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:54 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                      Hello all,

                                                                                                                                                                            This question has probably been discussed before, what are you using to remove paint from plastic safely?

                                                                                                                                                                      Thank you,
                                                                                                                                                                      Harwood



                                                                                                                                                                      :)


                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76695 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 9/19/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                      It's quite obvious to me that this guy is a relative newbie to model railroading and did not know the answer. it is up to us....the old hands in this hobby....to keep the hobby alive by helping the newbies as much as possible. I have seen potential new modelers leave after just a few days because someone basically told him to buzz off and not bother him. If another newbie asks the same question tomorrow I will answer as best I can. I am not saying this to anger anyone but instead to bring to everyone's attention the importance of helping each other in this hobby and especially the newbies. Anger accomplishes nothing but make enemies....THAT is one thing I do not want or need.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Kalispell, MT
                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76696 From: Roy E Jones III Date: 9/19/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: The Berk
                                                                                                                                                                      Gentlemen,  last night we tried running 2 PE Berkshires on american model track and both kept stalling and showing no current. 27" radius and switches!

                                                                                                                                                                      Upon investigation we could find only one pickup truck on the engine for one side (lead pilot) while 2 wheels for the other side.  This seemed to be a problem crossing frogs and gaps.

                                                                                                                                                                      Are we missing something?

                                                                                                                                                                      Roy

                                                                                                                                                                      Sent from my iPad

                                                                                                                                                                      On Sep 18, 2015, at 9:10 PM, 'Doug Peck' doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      I almost skipped over Tom’s comment about the new Berkshire (Polar Express) engine, because I’ve stopped reading all the back-&-forth about scale vs highrail vs AF…..

                                                                                                                                                                      How many times have we beaten that discussion to  death on this forum !

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Anyway, regarding the “Berk”……I haven’t seen the one in the PE set yet, as we’ve been away for almost two weeks and my shipment hasn’t yet arrived.

                                                                                                                                                                      However, my understanding is that the Berk in the PE set is NOT the same as the separate-sale Berks that will deliver in early 2016.

                                                                                                                                                                      The PE Berk , as I understand, lacks much of the detail and features that will be included in the later Berks. This was done in order to keep the cost of the PE set as low as possible .

                                                                                                                                                                      I may be proven wrong, but that’s my understanding from conversations with Lionel personnel.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      <<< Example:

                                                                                                                                                                      There is a reviewer on another forum who did a review of the Lionel Berk (he
                                                                                                                                                                      got an advance copy for the review) and stated that the Hi-railer will be
                                                                                                                                                                      very happy with this engine. So I think to myself, Oh boy another Mikado,
                                                                                                                                                                      Pacific or Y3. this is good. But the reality of this engine is; great for
                                                                                                                                                                      Flyer, but disappointing for Hi-rail and scale need not apply.

                                                                                                                                                                      Had I purchased this engine expecting a nice Hi-rail locomotive I would have
                                                                                                                                                                      been not too happy.

                                                                                                                                                                      >>>

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Doug Peck
                                                                                                                                                                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                                                                                                                                                      6 Storeybr ooke Drive
                                                                                                                                                                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                                                                                                                                                      doug@...
                                                                                                                                                                      www.portlines.com
                                                                                                                                                                      Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only.
                                                                                                                                                                      978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
                                                                                                                                                                      1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
                                                                                                                                                                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76697 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 9/19/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question

                                                                                                                                                                      Hi Jim:
                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, I agree.  I have been waiting for some #6 turnouts since 2000.  At that time, SHS had plans to produce them, but were unable to do so due to several unfortunate occurrences.  I would still like to see some, but at 77 I don't have too many years left to incorporate them in my 'meandering', not well-planned, small layout :-) !  But there is still hope and the grandkids still enjoy it when they visit.  I do have 6-8 SHS #3's that work extremely well (although I will have to try and determine why one track has power when operated in the two train mode).  Is there a wiring diagram for the 'internal part' of the switches? [I have looked at the info that came with the turnouts, but wonder why one has to wire the straight section when using two-train operation with the turnout switched to the  siding since there are other jumpers for the tracks going into the throat leading to the turnouts that provide current to both sides of the turnout.]  I have gone to making some blocks for the small sidings and will use another transformer (30B) to power them.
                                                                                                                                                                      regards to all,
                                                                                                                                                                      Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

                                                                                                                                                                      On 9/19/2015 22:41, James Lyle WJJIM@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                      Can we waste time on something else, like TRYING to get a better selection of switches.   Like a #4, #6, # 8, wyes etc.  Obviously would a waste for LyingL, even if they knew what we were asking for.
                                                                                                                                                                      MTH & AM are my best choices, still working on my budds at GarGraves.


                                                                                                                                                                      Jim Lyle

                                                                                                                                                                      Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                                      On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:54 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                      Hello all,

                                                                                                                                                                            This question has probably been discussed before, what are you using to remove paint from plastic safely?

                                                                                                                                                                      Thank you,
                                                                                                                                                                      Harwood



                                                                                                                                                                      :)






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                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76698 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/19/2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 20 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                                      Attachments :
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                                                                                                                                                                        When
                                                                                                                                                                        Sunday, 20 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                                        05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                        (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                        Where
                                                                                                                                                                        http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                        Notes
                                                                                                                                                                        SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76699 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/20/2015
                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 20 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                                        Attachments :
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                                                                                                                                                                          When
                                                                                                                                                                          Sunday, 20 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                                          05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                          (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                          Where
                                                                                                                                                                          http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                          Notes
                                                                                                                                                                          SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76700 From: James Lyle Date: 9/20/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                          Chinese don't understand electricity or wiring diagrams.

                                                                                                                                                                          Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                                          On Sep 19, 2015, at 5:05 PM, Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                          Hi Jim:
                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, I agree.  I have been waiting for some #6 turnouts since 2000.  At that time, SHS had plans to produce them, but were unable to do so due to several unfortunate occurrences.  I would still like to see some, but at 77 I don't have too many years left to incorporate them in my 'meandering', not well-planned, small layout :-) !  But there is still hope and the grandkids still enjoy it when they visit.  I do have 6-8 SHS #3's that work extremely well (although I will have to try and determine why one track has power when operated in the two train mode).  Is there a wiring diagram for the 'internal part' of the switches? [I have looked at the info that came with the turnouts, but wonder why one has to wire the straight section when using two-train operation with the turnout switched to the  siding since there are other jumpers for the tracks going into the throat leading to the turnouts that provide current to both sides of the turnout.]  I have gone to making some blocks for the small sidings and will use another transformer (30B) to power them.
                                                                                                                                                                          regards to all,
                                                                                                                                                                          Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

                                                                                                                                                                          On 9/19/2015 22:41, James Lyle WJJIM@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                          Can we waste time on something else, like TRYING to get a better selection of switches.   Like a #4, #6, # 8, wyes etc.  Obviously would a waste for LyingL, even if they knew what we were asking for.
                                                                                                                                                                          MTH & AM are my best choices, still working on my budds at GarGraves.


                                                                                                                                                                          Jim Lyle

                                                                                                                                                                          Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                                          On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:54 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                          Hello all,

                                                                                                                                                                                This question has probably been discussed before, what are you using to remove paint from plastic safely?

                                                                                                                                                                          Thank you,
                                                                                                                                                                          Harwood



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                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76701 From: Gary Chudzinski Date: 9/20/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: NYC Pacemaker Train Set for sale

                                                                                                                                                                          I am selling a complete NYC Pacemaker train as a set only.

                                                                                                                                                                          It is comprised of the following:

                                                                                                                                                                          Lionel AF 6-48036, H-6A, Lt. Mikado, #1849 (in original unopened shipping box)

                                                                                                                                                                          (7) Lionel AF-4-9706, Box Cars, Sgl Door, (Pacemaker Red/Gry) (All NIB)

                                                                                                                                                                          American Models 7527, Wood Panel Caboose, Red/Gry, #20127 (NIB)

                                                                                                                                                                          I paid nearly $1100 plus shipping for total package. Package price is $750.
                                                                                                                                                                          Price is firm! 

                                                                                                                                                                          My interests are purely scale....not Hi-Rail or Flyer.  If not sold here, the set
                                                                                                                                                                          will go on eBay at end of month.

                                                                                                                                                                          Contact me off list.

                                                                                                                                                                          Gary Chudzinski
                                                                                                                                                                          419-680-8300   9 AM - 10 PM  EDT
                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76702 From: James Lyle Date: 9/20/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                          I'm sure the PVMR 8x16 S layout disappears when I do.

                                                                                                                                                                          Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                                          On Sep 19, 2015, at 5:05 PM, Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                          Hi Jim:
                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, I agree.  I have been waiting for some #6 turnouts since 2000.  At that time, SHS had plans to produce them, but were unable to do so due to several unfortunate occurrences.  I would still like to see some, but at 77 I don't have too many years left to incorporate them in my 'meandering', not well-planned, small layout :-) !  But there is still hope and the grandkids still enjoy it when they visit.  I do have 6-8 SHS #3's that work extremely well (although I will have to try and determine why one track has power when operated in the two train mode).  Is there a wiring diagram for the 'internal part' of the switches? [I have looked at the info that came with the turnouts, but wonder why one has to wire the straight section when using two-train operation with the turnout switched to the  siding since there are other jumpers for the tracks going into the throat leading to the turnouts that provide current to both sides of the turnout.]  I have gone to making some blocks for the small sidings and will use another transformer (30B) to power them.
                                                                                                                                                                          regards to all,
                                                                                                                                                                          Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

                                                                                                                                                                          On 9/19/2015 22:41, James Lyle WJJIM@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                          Can we waste time on something else, like TRYING to get a better selection of switches.   Like a #4, #6, # 8, wyes etc.  Obviously would a waste for LyingL, even if they knew what we were asking for.
                                                                                                                                                                          MTH & AM are my best choices, still working on my budds at GarGraves.


                                                                                                                                                                          Jim Lyle

                                                                                                                                                                          Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                                          On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:54 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                          Hello all,

                                                                                                                                                                                This question has probably been discussed before, what are you using to remove paint from plastic safely?

                                                                                                                                                                          Thank you,
                                                                                                                                                                          Harwood



                                                                                                                                                                          :)






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                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76703 From: ken garber Date: 9/20/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts
                                                                                                                                                                          #6 Turnouts?

                                                                                                                                                                          Look on NASG.org for various suppliers:

                                                                                                                                                                          Scenery Unlimited has Shinohara #6 and #8 switches. Prices have gone up over the years but what hasn't.

                                                                                                                                                                          BK Enterprises has turnout kits in multiple rail heights.

                                                                                                                                                                          Tomalco has turnouts in all shapes and sizes (based on BK, I believe).

                                                                                                                                                                          FastTracks has jigs and parts for making your own.

                                                                                                                                                                          Last time I checked, Michigan Models had Tomalco turnouts up the kazoo in code 100 and lower.


                                                                                                                                                                          They're out there.
                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Ken Garber


                                                                                                                                                                          (and for the paint stripper crowd, I've used Scalecoat Washaway.)




                                                                                                                                                                          On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 4:45 AM, <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                          There are 10 messages in this issue.

                                                                                                                                                                          Topics in this digest:

                                                                                                                                                                          1a. Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                              From:  snstrains
                                                                                                                                                                          1b. Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                              From:  jamiebothwell
                                                                                                                                                                          1c. Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                              From: Alan Smith
                                                                                                                                                                          1d. Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                              From: James Lyle
                                                                                                                                                                          1e. Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                              From:  danceswithwolves49
                                                                                                                                                                          1f. Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                              From: Rance Velapoldi

                                                                                                                                                                          2. Paint & Scale
                                                                                                                                                                              From:  traindavid

                                                                                                                                                                          3a. Re: The Berk
                                                                                                                                                                              From:  icequeen1982
                                                                                                                                                                          3b. Re: The Berk
                                                                                                                                                                              From: Roy E Jones III

                                                                                                                                                                          4. SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 20 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                                              From:   S-Trains@yahoogroups.com


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                                                                                                                                                                          1a. Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                              Posted by:  boss31@... snstrains
                                                                                                                                                                              Date: Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:50 am ((PDT))

                                                                                                                                                                          My glass beader does the job in about 5 minutes. Very fine plastic  beads
                                                                                                                                                                          leave no scars......Have lots of cars to prove it . All of the liquid
                                                                                                                                                                          systems (I favor pine Sol or spic & Span)  require lots of labor with  toothbrush
                                                                                                                                                                          etc. to remove the old paint from the edges. Glass beading is the  quickest
                                                                                                                                                                          and surest method.

                                                                                                                                                                          Steve
                                                                                                                                                                          SnS


                                                                                                                                                                          In a message dated 9/18/2015 10:32:21 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
                                                                                                                                                                          S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:






                                                                                                                                                                          I have used several methods  for paint removal. Isopropyl alcohol works but
                                                                                                                                                                          involves a lot of work. Brake  fluid (The type used in older cars) works
                                                                                                                                                                          pretty well. Something else that  works good is ordinary Pine-Sol. Some have
                                                                                                                                                                          said it will damage the plastic,  however, I never had that problem. It would
                                                                                                                                                                          probably be a good idea to test  anything you want to use to remove paint
                                                                                                                                                                          on a hidden section of a body shell  first to make sure it will not harm the
                                                                                                                                                                          plastic. Unless what you are using is  one of the commercially available
                                                                                                                                                                          paint removers specifically designed for  models.  Above all do not use Zip
                                                                                                                                                                          Strip or anything similar unless it  specifically states safe for use on
                                                                                                                                                                          plastics even if the stuff comes in a  plastic  container.
                                                                                                                                                                          &nb  sp;                               Bob  Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                          Kalispell,MT














































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                                                                                                                                                                          1b. Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                              Posted by:  jamie.bothwell@... jamiebothwell
                                                                                                                                                                              Date: Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:00 am ((PDT))

                                                                                                                                                                          Hello Harwood,I have had success with Easy-Off oven cleaner.
                                                                                                                                                                          (Read the label carefully.  The stuff is dangerous.)  I like oven
                                                                                                                                                                          cleaner because I don't need to submerge the item in it.  I don't
                                                                                                                                                                          recommend oven cleaner for brass.  I have used Pine Sol on brass,
                                                                                                                                                                          but not plastic.  There are also several commercial paint
                                                                                                                                                                          removers available.Jamie Bothwell   On 09/18/15,
                                                                                                                                                                          HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains]<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                          Hello all,

                                                                                                                                                                                 This question has probably been discussed before, what are
                                                                                                                                                                          you using to remove paint from plastic safely?

                                                                                                                                                                          Thank you,
                                                                                                                                                                          Harwood



                                                                                                                                                                          :)






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                                                                                                                                                                          1c. Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                              Posted by: "Alan Smith" alansmith@... doc_strains
                                                                                                                                                                              Date: Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:17 am ((PDT))

                                                                                                                                                                           To All,


                                                                                                                                                                           For what it’s worth.


                                                                                                                                                                           The "Easy Off “ works but it is dangerous to use.  Brake fluid works well, but clean up and disposal is an issue for some.


                                                                                                                                                                          I have great success with "Mean Green”  or  "Simple Green” $5.50 per gal and no disposal issues.  Put a bit (approx. 2 oz. of the cleaner in a 10 qt bucket , enough to cover the car or item.  Let it set overnight and use a soft bristle brush to go over the car .  Rinse with warm water and your done.  For a stubborn item put in more cleaner and go again.


                                                                                                                                                                          Hoppes Gun Cleaner works with a cotton swab on car wheels and does not attack the Plastic.


                                                                                                                                                                          Cheers,


                                                                                                                                                                          Old Al in Hamilton






                                                                                                                                                                          On Sep 19, 2015, at 7:14 AM, jamie.bothwell@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > Hello Harwood,
                                                                                                                                                                          > I have had success with Easy-Off oven cleaner.  (Read the label carefully.  The stuff is dangerous.)  I like oven cleaner because I don't need to submerge the item in it.  I don't recommend oven cleaner for brass.  I have used Pine Sol on brass, but not plastic.  There are also several commercial paint removers available.
                                                                                                                                                                          > Jamie Bothwell
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > On 09/18/15, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains]<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > Hello all,
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >       This question has probably been discussed before, what are you using to remove paint from plastic safely?
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > Thank you,
                                                                                                                                                                          > Harwood
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > :)
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >






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                                                                                                                                                                          1d. Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                              Posted by: "James Lyle" WJJIM@... wjjim2001
                                                                                                                                                                              Date: Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:49 pm ((PDT))

                                                                                                                                                                          Can we waste time on something else, like TRYING to get a better selection of switches.   Like a #4, #6, # 8, wyes etc.  Obviously would a waste for LyingL, even if they knew what we were asking for.
                                                                                                                                                                          MTH & AM are my best choices, still working on my budds at GarGraves.




                                                                                                                                                                          Jim Lyle


                                                                                                                                                                          Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties


                                                                                                                                                                          > On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:54 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > Hello all,
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >       This question has probably been discussed before, what are you using to remove paint from plastic safely?
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > Thank you,
                                                                                                                                                                          > Harwood
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > :)
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >




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                                                                                                                                                                          1e. Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                              Posted by:  danceswithwolves49@... danceswithwolves49
                                                                                                                                                                              Date: Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:15 pm ((PDT))

                                                                                                                                                                          It's quite obvious to me that this guy is a relative newbie to model railroading and did not know the answer. it is up to us....the old hands in this hobby....to keep the hobby alive by helping the newbies as much as possible. I have seen potential new modelers leave after just a few days because someone basically told him to buzz off and not bother him. If another newbie asks the same question tomorrow I will answer as best I can. I am not saying this to anger anyone but instead to bring to everyone's attention the importance of helping each other in this hobby and especially the newbies. Anger accomplishes nothing but make enemies....THAT is one thing I do not want or need.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Bob Lampe

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Kalispell, MT



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                                                                                                                                                                          1f. Re: Paint Removal Question
                                                                                                                                                                              Posted by: "Rance Velapoldi" rvelapoldi@... velapoldinetcomno
                                                                                                                                                                              Date: Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:17 pm ((PDT))



                                                                                                                                                                          Hi Jim:
                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, I agree.  I have been waiting for some #6 turnouts since 2000. At
                                                                                                                                                                          that time, SHS had plans to produce them, but were unable to do so due
                                                                                                                                                                          to several unfortunate occurrences.  I would still like to see some, but
                                                                                                                                                                          at 77 I don't have too many years left to incorporate them in my
                                                                                                                                                                          'meandering', not well-planned, small layout:-) !  But there is still
                                                                                                                                                                          hope and the grandkids still enjoy it when they visit.  I do have 6-8
                                                                                                                                                                          SHS #3's that work extremely well (although I will have to try and
                                                                                                                                                                          determine why one track has power when operated in the two train mode).
                                                                                                                                                                          Is there a wiring diagram for the 'internal part' of the switches? [I
                                                                                                                                                                          have looked at the info that came with the turnouts, but wonder why one
                                                                                                                                                                          has to wire the straight section when using two-train operation with the
                                                                                                                                                                          turnout switched to the  siding since there are other jumpers for the
                                                                                                                                                                          tracks going into the throat leading to the turnouts that provide
                                                                                                                                                                          current to both sides of the turnout.]  I have gone to making some
                                                                                                                                                                          blocks for the small sidings and will use another transformer (30B) to
                                                                                                                                                                          power them.
                                                                                                                                                                          regards to all,
                                                                                                                                                                          Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)


                                                                                                                                                                          On 9/19/2015 22:41, James Lyle WJJIM@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                          > Can we waste time on something else, like TRYING to get a better
                                                                                                                                                                          > selection of switches.   Like a #4, #6, # 8, wyes etc.  Obviously
                                                                                                                                                                          > would a waste for LyingL, even if they knew what we were asking for.
                                                                                                                                                                          > MTH & AM are my best choices, still working on my budds at GarGraves.
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > Jim Lyle
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:54 PM, HOwingsiii@...
                                                                                                                                                                          > <mailto:HOwingsiii@...> [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                          > <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >> Hello all,
                                                                                                                                                                          >>
                                                                                                                                                                          >>       This question has probably been discussed before, what are you
                                                                                                                                                                          >> using to remove paint from plastic safely?
                                                                                                                                                                          >>
                                                                                                                                                                          >> Thank you,
                                                                                                                                                                          >> Harwood
                                                                                                                                                                          >>
                                                                                                                                                                          >>
                                                                                                                                                                          >>
                                                                                                                                                                          >> :)
                                                                                                                                                                          >>
                                                                                                                                                                          >>
                                                                                                                                                                          >






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                                                                                                                                                                          2. Paint & Scale
                                                                                                                                                                              Posted by:  djdewey@... traindavid
                                                                                                                                                                              Date: Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:51 am ((PDT))




                                                                                                                                                                          How to remove paint?? That's almost as controversial as our discussion
                                                                                                                                                                          of layout types! I personally would not use brake fluid as it seeps into
                                                                                                                                                                          the plastic pores (Yes, plastic has pores).


                                                                                                                                                                          As to layout types, a fellow S gauger suggests we create a new category:
                                                                                                                                                                          Grey-rail!


                                                                                                                                                                          I thought it funny enough and insightful enough toe post it for him.


                                                                                                                                                                          BTW, Flyer Fest is only 12 hours away!!!! SES Hall, 10427 Stockton
                                                                                                                                                                          Blvd., Elk Grove, CA 95624. Trading Tables, Clinics, Food & lots of
                                                                                                                                                                          great folks to visit!


                                                                                                                                                                          See you there??


                                                                                                                                                                          Run 'em if ya got 'em!!


                                                                                                                                                                          David D.






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                                                                                                                                                                          3a. Re: The Berk
                                                                                                                                                                              Posted by:  icehouse.icehouse@... icequeen1982
                                                                                                                                                                              Date: Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:27 pm ((PDT))

                                                                                                                                                                          I saw the one from the set today and it looked fine to me. I am a hi-railer and we ran it at a function today on our new club layout. It ran flawlessly. It looked different then I was expecting but got all the kids attention none the less.



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                                                                                                                                                                          3b. Re: The Berk
                                                                                                                                                                              Posted by: "Roy E Jones III" JeryJones3@...
                                                                                                                                                                              Date: Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:15 pm ((PDT))

                                                                                                                                                                          Gentlemen,  last night we tried running 2 PE Berkshires on american model track and both kept stalling and showing no current. 27" radius and switches!


                                                                                                                                                                          Upon investigation we could find only one pickup truck on the engine for one side (lead pilot) while 2 wheels for the other side.  This seemed to be a problem crossing frogs and gaps.


                                                                                                                                                                          Are we missing something?


                                                                                                                                                                          Roy


                                                                                                                                                                          Sent from my iPad


                                                                                                                                                                          > On Sep 18, 2015, at 9:10 PM, 'Doug Peck' doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > I almost skipped over Tom’s comment about the new Berkshire (Polar Express) engine, because I’ve stopped reading all the back-&-forth about scale vs highrail vs AF…..
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > How many times have we beaten that discussion to  death on this forum !
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > Anyway, regarding the “Berk”……I haven’t seen the one in the PE set yet, as we’ve been away for almost two weeks and my shipment hasn’t yet arrived.
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > However, my understanding is that the Berk in the PE set is NOT the same as the separate-sale Berks that will deliver in early 2016.
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > The PE Berk , as I understand, lacks much of the detail and features that will be included in the later Berks. This was done in order to keep the cost of the PE set as low as possible .
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > I may be proven wrong, but that’s my understanding from conversations with Lionel personnel.
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > <<< Example:
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > There is a reviewer on another forum who did a review of the Lionel Berk (he
                                                                                                                                                                          > got an advance copy for the review) and stated that the Hi-railer will be
                                                                                                                                                                          > very happy with this engine. So I think to myself, Oh boy another Mikado,
                                                                                                                                                                          > Pacific or Y3. this is good. But the reality of this engine is; great for
                                                                                                                                                                          > Flyer, but disappointing for Hi-rail and scale need not apply.
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > Had I purchased this engine expecting a nice Hi-rail locomotive I would have
                                                                                                                                                                          > been not too happy.
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > >>>
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          > Doug Peck
                                                                                                                                                                          > Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                                                                                                                                                          > 6 Storeybr ooke Drive
                                                                                                                                                                          > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
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                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76704 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/20/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: The Berk

                                                                                                                                                                          >Gentlemen, last night we tried running 2 PE Berkshires on american model track and both kept stalling and showing no current. 27" radius and switches!

                                                                                                                                                                          Upon investigation we could find only one pickup truck on the engine for one side (lead pilot) while 2 wheels for the other side. This seemed to be a problem crossing frogs and gaps.

                                                                                                                                                                          Are we missing something?

                                                                                                                                                                          Roy<

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Roy, over on the 0 Gauge Forum there are many threads about the various problems of the PE sets.  This link will take you there:

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/forum/s-scale-trains

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          There is also a lot of info regarding the detailing of the PE and the still to come Berks.

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                          in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76705 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/21/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts

                                                                                                                                                                          -Ken Garber wrote:  #6 Turnouts?

                                                                                                                                                                          Look on NASG.org for various suppliers:

                                                                                                                                                                          Scenery Unlimited has Shinohara #6 and #8 switches. Prices have gone up
                                                                                                                                                                          over the years but what hasn't.

                                                                                                                                                                          BK Enterprises has turnout kits in multiple rail heights.

                                                                                                                                                                          Tomalco has turnouts in all shapes and sizes (based on BK, I believe).

                                                                                                                                                                          FastTracks has jigs and parts for making your own.

                                                                                                                                                                          Last time I checked, Michigan Models had Tomalco turnouts up the kazoo in
                                                                                                                                                                          code 100 and lower.

                                                                                                                                                                          They're out there. -

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Hi Ken,

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          That looks like a good list, but aren’t most of them scale turnouts?  I do know BK had kits for code 148 Flyer/Hi-rail that were closing frog turnouts.  I also understand FastTracks makes a jig for SHS code 138 rail, but I was under the impression it was for scale only. So as far as Flyer/Hi-rail goes there is very slim pickings for  #6 open frog turnouts… I wish there weren’t the case.

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Gargraves used to offer a closing frog #6, don’t know if they still have it or not.  Word was once upon a time AM was working on a #6.  I haven’t heard anything about it in 10 years or more.

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          - Earl Henry wrote:  It’s just a shame we do not have one universal track system so that it is unnecessary to have these discussions over and over again. –

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Earl, there was such a system in the making, but China happened and enough venture capital (interest) could not to be found.  But SHS profile code 138 rail, design and a manufacturer were all in place… it came close.

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          I think the discussions (I wish that they were discussions) happen because most of us are unwilling to separate the scenery from the pure physics of getting a wheelset through a frog… without derailing.

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                          in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76706 From: rogermeekhof Date: 9/21/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: F-9 s Gear Repair

                                                                                                                                                                          Hey guys, anyone have an exploded view of one of the   F-9s? I began to repair a stripped

                                                                                                                                                                          drive gear and couldn't see how the power truck/gear housing was held together. When I

                                                                                                                                                                          pulled  on the lower cover it flew apart and now I cant see where that funny little T shaped clip

                                                                                                                                                                          goes. Thanks


                                                                                                                                                                          roger

                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76707 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Dispatch, part 2

                                                                                                                                                                          Well, I finally got to the Fast Tracks article in the latest Dispatch.  Really interesting.  It seems Tim Warris is starting to do more S gauge stuff.  The article even states they have a Hi-rail turnout fixture for Micro Engineering code 125 rail.  I can’t make out much from the picture of the fixture.  Does anyone have any experience?

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                          in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76708 From: aftrains4u Date: 9/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: EP-5 21573 Pantograph

                                                                                                                                                                          Question about the EP-5 Pantograph upright position.  The springs on the pantograph seem too strong when I release the pantographs from the folded position.  The pantograph stands straight up instead of in a diamond shape configuration.  How can I correct this situation?  Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.


                                                                                                                                                                          Bob 

                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76709 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 9/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: EP-5 21573 Pantograph
                                                                                                                                                                          The pantograph would form a diamond shape if you had a cantenary for it to push up against. That being absent, the pantograph just continues to rise.
                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                          Herb
                                                                                                                                                                          paflyrman
                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                          Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 5:05 PM
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: [S-Trains] EP-5 21573 Pantograph
                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Question about the EP-5 Pantograph upright position.  The springs on the pantograph seem too strong when I release the pantographs from the folded position.  The pantograph stands straight up instead of in a diamond shape configuration.  How can I correct this situation?  Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.


                                                                                                                                                                          Bob

                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76710 From: poniaj Date: 9/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Dispatch, part 2
                                                                                                                                                                          Tom, et al.,

                                                                                                                                                                          I've used that fixture for making my turnouts, and the Micro Engineering track has the same base width as the old SHS (and presumably the new MTH) flextrack.  The only difference between scale and hirail would be in the location of the guard rails, which are farther from the stock rails in hirail than in a scale turnout.  Maybe the manufacurer has made provisions for the relocation of the guard rail for hirail use.  Of course, the frog would need to have your magic applied to it to accept both flavors of S acceptably.  But if you're just making a hirail turnout, the fixture will work just fine with the relocation of the guard rail from the "scale" locatioin.  That's whet I did.

                                                                                                                                                                          You'd have to contact the manufacturer to make sure he's making a true hirail fixture.  But using the scale one for a hirail turnout isn't hard to do.

                                                                                                                                                                          Jerry Poniatowski
                                                                                                                                                                          Wayne, MI
                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76711 From: poniaj Date: 9/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: EP-5 21573 Pantograph
                                                                                                                                                                          Bob,

                                                                                                                                                                          The pans aren't meant to be that functional.  At least, I don't think so.  If you are using a catenary system, the height would be regulated by the wires, and the added pressure is welcome for good contact.  If you're just looking for a representation of a raised pan, I'd suggest a thin black thread, or monofilament fish line tied to the pan and anchored to an insulator, or the base of the pan to limit its travel upward. 

                                                                                                                                                                          I've always wanted to have a working catenary system on my layout, but more pressing things are needed.... like scenery and buildings, and people, and ballast, and..... ;>)

                                                                                                                                                                          Jerry
                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76712 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 9/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: EP-5 21573 Pantograph
                                                                                                                                                                          Jerry, While a fully functioning catenary system looks nice and even runs nice.....there are several factors to take into consideration. The first is critters.....especially cats. I love cats but they are not particular what they use to take a nap on lol. Nicely and tediously constructed catenary does not make a good cat hammock lol. The second factor is weather and more precisely temperature. My layout was in the basement and one winter evening while watching TV it sounded as if someone were in the basement cutting the strings of a banjo with wire cutters. The temp in the basement had dropped to 60 or lower which caused the brass catenary wire to contract popping nearly every solder joint. Right then and there my railroad went all steam and diesel. Trains running by actual catenary look great but unless you can keep your train room at a constant 72 degrees it is not worth the hassle.
                                                                                                                                                                                                 Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                             Kalispell,MT
                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76713 From: Tom Hawley Date: 9/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: EP-5 21573 Pantograph
                                                                                                                                                                          I was watching rail yard activity thru a chain link fence one evening and
                                                                                                                                                                          suddenly heard a big poof, like a release of compressed air. I looked and
                                                                                                                                                                          saw the pantograph of an electric loco go down to an almost flat position
                                                                                                                                                                          just above the loco, shutting down after a day's service.. Apparently
                                                                                                                                                                          compressed air had been holding it up against the wire. Conclusion, the
                                                                                                                                                                          pantograph (or was it a one-arm Faively?) had two positions, up against the
                                                                                                                                                                          wire or down. In no case would they have the device all the way up and
                                                                                                                                                                          pressing up against nothing.


                                                                                                                                                                          This was somewhere in the south of France, but they probbly all work the
                                                                                                                                                                          same.


                                                                                                                                                                          My limited experience with model electric locos has usually found a hook
                                                                                                                                                                          that holds the device all the way down. If yours doesn't have this, I don't
                                                                                                                                                                          know what to say. It should because most electrics that have two
                                                                                                                                                                          pantographs only use one at a time. If this works, see picture at
                                                                                                                                                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Haven_EP5


                                                                                                                                                                          Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
                                                                                                                                                                          .
                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76714 From: Dave Date: 9/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: EP-5 21573 Pantograph
                                                                                                                                                                          Hi,
                                                                                                                                                                          Modern prototype catenary systems have a hanging weight to provide tension at the ends of overhead line segments. VTA, San Jose, CA has a catenary system for their trolleys and electric buses. Before a segment ends the successive segment begins providing some degree of overlap of the catenary. Using the weights and a segmented catenary the system is mostly immune to temperature induced length changes. Would modelers be interested in adapting this catenary concept to their layouts?


                                                                                                                                                                          Cheers,
                                                                                                                                                                          Dave
                                                                                                                                                                          -------------

                                                                                                                                                                          Dave McBrayer
                                                                                                                                                                          Castro Valley, CA


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                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76715 From: poniaj Date: 9/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: EP-5 21573 Pantograph
                                                                                                                                                                          Jerry, While a fully functioning catenary system looks nice and even runs nice.....there are several factors to take into consideration. The first is critters.....especially cats. I love cats but they are not particular what they use to take a nap on lol. Nicely and tediously constructed catenary does not make a good cat hammock lol. The second factor is weather and more precisely temperature. My layout was in the basement and one winter evening while watching TV it sounded as if someone were in the basement cutting the strings of a banjo with wire cutters. The temp in the basement had dropped to 60 or lower which caused the brass catenary wire to contract popping nearly every solder joint. Right then and there my railroad went all steam and diesel. Trains running by actual catenary look great but unless you can keep your train room at a constant 72 degrees it is not worth the hassle.
                                                                                                                                                                                                 Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                             Kalispell,MT

                                                                                                                                                                          Bob,

                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks for you input!  I agree it looks great, but the temperature issue is one to seriously consider.  We live in Michigan, not known for its mild winters.  We have no cats, so that's not an issue.  Grandkids, however...  But since I have more pressing things to do on my layout, catenary will have to be up in the air.....  ;>)

                                                                                                                                                                          Jerry
                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76716 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts

                                                                                                                                                                          -Ken Garber wrote:  #6 Turnouts?

                                                                                                                                                                          Look on NASG.org for various suppliers:

                                                                                                                                                                          Scenery Unlimited has Shinohara #6 and #8 switches. Prices have gone up
                                                                                                                                                                          over the years but what hasn't.

                                                                                                                                                                          BK Enterprises has turnout kits in multiple rail heights.

                                                                                                                                                                          Tomalco has turnouts in all shapes and sizes (based on BK, I believe).

                                                                                                                                                                          FastTracks has jigs and parts for making your own.

                                                                                                                                                                          Last time I checked, Michigan Models had Tomalco turnouts up the kazoo in
                                                                                                                                                                          code 100 and lower.

                                                                                                                                                                          They're out there. -

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Hi Ken,

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          That looks like a good list, but aren’t most of them scale turnouts?  I do know BK had kits for code 148 Flyer/Hi-rail that were closing frog turnouts.  I also understand FastTracks makes a jig for SHS code 132/138 rail, but I was under the impression it was for scale only.  I don’t even know if Flyer will run on code 125 rail… Anybody ever try it?  It is mentioned in the latest Dispatch as being for Hi-rail.  Jerry P posted that he had to relocate the wing and guard rails to get Hi-rail through, though he did not mention Flyer.  I know Flyer wheels require .125” clearance between the wings & frog rails and guards & stock rails.

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          I also found interesting that in the article was mentioned the Tim Warris would make any fixture you want.  Cool!  Has anybody tried to have a custom fixture made by Tim?

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          So as far as Flyer/Hi-rail goes there is very slim pickings for #6 open frog turnouts… I wish there weren’t the case.

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Gargraves used to offer a closing frog #6, don’t know if they still have it or not.  Word was once upon a time AM was working on a #6.  I haven’t heard anything about it in 10 years or more.

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          If Custom Tracks is still in business, they could be added to the scale end of turnouts

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                          in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76717 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: EP-5 21573 Pantograph
                                                                                                                                                                          Jerry,
                                                                                                                                                                              We're in Montana and we really get severe winters. No longer in the house ...we sod to keep from having to maintain it.An older house that needed a lot of TLC Not too bright we got a motorhome lolol. No modeling room but working on that.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Bob
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   



                                                                                                                                                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                          Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 05:15:38 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: [S-Trains] Re: EP-5 21573 Pantograph

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Jerry, While a fully functioning catenary system looks nice and even runs nice.....there are several factors to take into consideration. The first is critters.....especially cats. I love cats but they are not particular what they use to take a nap on lol. Nicely and tediously constructed catenary does not make a good cat hammock lol. The second factor is weather and more precisely temperature. My layout was in the basement and one winter evening while watching TV it sounded as if someone were in the basement cutting the strings of a banjo with wire cutters. The temp in the basement had dropped to 60 or lower which caused the brass catenary wire to contract popping nearly every solder joint. Right then and there my railroad went all steam and diesel. Trains running by actual catenary look great but unless you can keep your train room at a constant 72 degrees it is not worth the hassle.
                                                                                                                                                                                                 Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                             Kalispell,MT

                                                                                                                                                                          Bob,

                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks for you input!  I agree it looks great, but the temperature issue is one to seriously consider.  We live in Michigan, not known for its mild winters.  We have no cats, so that's not an issue.  Grandkids, however...  But since I have more pressing things to do on my layout, catenary will have to be up in the air.....  ;>)

                                                                                                                                                                          Jerry
                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76718 From: Paul Krause Date: 9/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts
                                                                                                                                                                          Tom,

                                                                                                                                                                          A few things about code 125 and Code 131 rail:

                                                                                                                                                                          1.  Concerning running Flyer on code 125.  Yes it works but some older flyer has flange dragging issues.  But minimal.  Our  CT S-Gaugers club layout is hand laid code 125.  We run flyer on it all the time. No problems.
                                                                                                                                                                          2.  I have code 125 handlaid rail on the main lines of my layout and can run flyer but prefer scale.  More so for  visiting guests with flyer.  

                                                                                                                                                                          3.  The turnouts on my layout  will be closed frog.  I am building them using the Fast Tracks code 125 scale template.  The points and closed frog will require me modifying how the template assembles the middle movable section of the turnout.  #6s.
                                                                                                                                                                          4. Fast Tracks Tim Warris  does not make a high rail movable closed frog template.  I asked a while back and he said he was too busy.  I bet if he did...they would fly off the shelves.  
                                                                                                                                                                          5. S-Helper code 131 (or 133 or 138.. not sure what it is..  tend to think lower #s) fits in the code 125 S scale template.  Tim Warris does not make S scale templates for code 148 rail.

                                                                                                                                                                          Paul Krause

                                                                                                                                                                          Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android


                                                                                                                                                                          From:"'Thomas Stoltz' tstoltz@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                          Date:Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 5:29 PM
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject:[S-Trains] Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          -Ken Garber wrote:  #6 Turnouts?

                                                                                                                                                                          Look on NASG.org for various suppliers:

                                                                                                                                                                          Scenery Unlimited has Shinohara #6 and #8 switches. Prices have gone up
                                                                                                                                                                          over the years but what hasn't.

                                                                                                                                                                          BK Enterprises has turnout kits in multiple rail heights.

                                                                                                                                                                          Tomalco has turnouts in all shapes and sizes (based on BK, I believe).

                                                                                                                                                                          FastTracks has jigs and parts for making your own.

                                                                                                                                                                          Last time I checked, Michigan Models had Tomalco turnouts up the kazoo in
                                                                                                                                                                          code 100 and lower.

                                                                                                                                                                          They're out there. -

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Hi Ken,

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          That looks like a good list, but aren’t most of them scale turnouts?  I do know BK had kits for code 148 Flyer/Hi-rail that were closing frog turnouts.  I also understand FastTracks makes a jig for SHS code 132/138 rail, but I was under the impression it was for scale only.  I don’t even know if Flyer will run on code 125 rail… Anybody ever try it?  It is mentioned in the latest Dispatch as being for Hi-rail.  Jerry P posted that he had to relocate the wing and guard rails to get Hi-rail through, though he did not mention Flyer.  I know Flyer wheels require .125” clearance between the wings & frog rails and guards & stock rails.

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          I also found interesting that in the article was mentioned the Tim Warris would make any fixture you want.  Cool!  Has anybody tried to have a custom fixture made by Tim?

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          So as far as Flyer/Hi-rail goes there is very slim pickings for #6 open frog turnouts… I wish there weren’t the case.

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Gargraves used to offer a closing frog #6, don’t know if they still have it or not.  Word was once upon a time AM was working on a #6.  I haven’t heard anything about it in 10 years or more.

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          If Custom Tracks is still in business, they could be added to the scale end of turnouts

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                          in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76719 From: paflyrman Date: 9/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Off Topic - Question About AF O Gauge Hiawatha
                                                                                                                                                                          I am having to fabricate a drawbar for this loco. Can anyone give me the length, both complete and with bends? Thank you.

                                                                                                                                                                          Herb
                                                                                                                                                                          paflyrman


                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76720 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 9/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Off Topic - Question About AF O Gauge Hiawatha
                                                                                                                                                                          If I were you, I would check with Ron Levington in Washington state.  He could give you this information.  He sells Pre-War and Post-War  American Flyer parts and probably has that part if you would like to check.
                                                                                                                                                                          Harwood



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                                                                                                                                                                          From: hblanier@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                          To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                          Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 11:54 am
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: [S-Trains] Off Topic - Question About AF O Gauge Hiawatha

                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                          I am having to fabricate a drawbar for this loco. Can anyone give me the length, both complete and with bends? Thank you.

                                                                                                                                                                          Herb
                                                                                                                                                                          paflyrman

                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76721 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: SHS A C board

                                                                                                                                                                          I have a SHS AC reverser board taken from a new SW1 that can go to a new home.

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Buy? Trade? I am looking for SHS code 110 36” wheels….

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Interested? Email directly bill@...

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Thank You,
                                                                                                                                                                          Bill Lane

                                                                                                                                                                          Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL  & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

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                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76722 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts

                                                                                                                                                                          Paul Krause wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                          Tom,

                                                                                                                                                                          A few things about code 125 and Code 131 rail:

                                                                                                                                                                          1.  Concerning running Flyer on code 125.  Yes it works but some older flyer has flange dragging issues.  But minimal.  Our  CT S-Gaugers club layout is hand laid code 125.  We run flyer on it all the time. No problems.

                                                                                                                                                                          2.  I have code 125 handlaid rail on the main lines of my layout and can run flyer but prefer scale.  More so for  visiting guests with flyer.  

                                                                                                                                                                          3.  The turnouts on my layout  will be closed frog.  I am building them using the Fast Tracks code 125 scale template.  The points and closed frog will require me modifying how the template assembles the middle movable section of the turnout.  #6s.

                                                                                                                                                                          4. Fast Tracks Tim Warris  does not make a high rail movable closed frog template.  I asked a while back and he said he was too busy.  I bet if he did...they would fly off the shelves.  

                                                                                                                                                                          5. S-Helper code 131 (or 133 or 138.. not sure what it is..  tend to think lower #s) fits in the code 125 S scale template.  Tim Warris does not make S scale templates for code 148 rail.

                                                                                                                                                                          Paul Krause


                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Hi Paul,

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          I thought code 132 was iffy for Flyer, but you are saying CSG runs Flyer on code 125…Wow! 

                                                                                                                                                                          I don’t have much experience with closing frog turnouts, I was under the impressions that are a bit problematic which is why the BK model isn’t flying off the shelf.  However, as I said, other than Flyer switches, I have no experience with them.  I do own a pair of GarGraves #6 moveable frog turnouts but have only ever looked at them.

                                                                                                                                                                          For the record; SHS profile rail is .138” and it is the same rail profile being used by Lionel and MTH.

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Thank you for the info,

                                                                                                                                                                          Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                          in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76723 From: Paul Krause Date: 9/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts
                                                                                                                                                                          Tom..  thanks for the reply.  As for the code .138"  you are right.  I measured it with my calipers and it is .138".  The base of the rail width appears to be the same footprint as code 125.  As mentioned in my last email some flyer flanges will ride the ties occasionally but this is really a minimum.  

                                                                                                                                                                          Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android


                                                                                                                                                                          From:"'Thomas Stoltz' tstoltz@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                          Date:Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 11:56 AM
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject:[S-Trains] Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Paul Krause wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                          Tom,

                                                                                                                                                                          A few things about code 125 and Code 131 rail:

                                                                                                                                                                          1.  Concerning running Flyer on code 125.  Yes it works but some older flyer has flange dragging issues.  But minimal.  Our  CT S-Gaugers club layout is hand laid code 125.  We run flyer on it all the time. No problems.

                                                                                                                                                                          2.  I have code 125 handlaid rail on the main lines of my layout and can run flyer but prefer scale.  More so for  visiting guests with flyer.  

                                                                                                                                                                          3.  The turnouts on my layout  will be closed frog.  I am building them using the Fast Tracks code 125 scale template.  The points and closed frog will require me modifying how the template assembles the middle movable section of the turnout.  #6s.

                                                                                                                                                                          4. Fast Tracks Tim Warris  does not make a high rail movable closed frog template.  I asked a while back and he said he was too busy.  I bet if he did...they would fly off the shelves.  

                                                                                                                                                                          5. S-Helper code 131 (or 133 or 138.. not sure what it is..  tend to think lower #s) fits in the code 125 S scale template.  Tim Warris does not make S scale templates for code 148 rail.

                                                                                                                                                                          Paul Krause


                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Hi Paul,

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          I thought code 132 was iffy for Flyer, but you are saying CSG runs Flyer on code 125…Wow! 

                                                                                                                                                                          I don’t have much experience with closing frog turnouts, I was under the impressions that are a bit problematic which is why the BK model isn’t flying off the shelf.  However, as I said, other than Flyer switches, I have no experience with them.  I do own a pair of GarGraves #6 moveable frog turnouts but have only ever looked at them.

                                                                                                                                                                          For the record; SHS profile rail is .138” and it is the same rail profile being used by Lionel and MTH.

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Thank you for the info,

                                                                                                                                                                          Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                          in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76724 From: Paul Krause Date: 9/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts
                                                                                                                                                                          Tom..
                                                                                                                                                                          I hit the send too quickly before on my phone.  

                                                                                                                                                                          As for closed frog turnout there are a few challenges.  I have seen many such turnouts behave in a way that when the engine enters the turnout closed frog first that the closed frog end, not the points end, lifts as the engine bares down on the movable section and the rails want to jump up and derail what follows behind it..usually steam derails the tender or trailing firebox truck.  

                                                                                                                                                                          To fix this flaw I have seen some people use thin strips of copper or brass plate soldered between the closed frog ends that ride under the stationary  frog point so the moving frog closed portion rails stay even as weight is transferred from the stationary frog point to the moving closed frog rails. This has section has to be inserted after the frog point is fastened down. 

                                                                                                                                                                          This scenario seems to happen mostly with the longer the turnouts.  

                                                                                                                                                                          Also with the #6s turnouts and larger sizes  the more flex in the moving point -frog rails since the entire assembly floats and is only secured mid section with a screw.  I am sure you have seen this. 

                                                                                                                                                                           There are some options I proposed to fix this like soldering copper pcb ties mid section to the moving section rail bottoms so they extend under the steady side rails.  This mid section would also keep the center assembly more stable.

                                                                                                                                                                          As for the switch point ends, the switch points would be standard like normal points but like what you manufactured more distance between the points and side rails to allow for the sloppy wheel flanges.  


                                                                                                                                                                          All of these solutions induce friction.  It also induces sway in such that just one turnout motor with a rod through the switch point tie is not adequate force to prevent the closed frog from swaying away from the closed position when a heavy engine induces later force when traveling on the turnouts divergent route.  

                                                                                                                                                                          This force also can cause a derail in that the the points are no longer closed and when the trailing wheels of the truck or steamer drivers pass the frog point it is forced open.

                                                                                                                                                                          That said I have also considered two turnout motors for #6 or #8 turnouts.  

                                                                                                                                                                          So as you can see #4s are about the most logical length to build before physics starts to take over.  But I will see.  Your idea you had for the frog insert was 90% accurate for hirail and flyer.  Scale was 50/50 from my experience.  But for hirail you had a great idea.  

                                                                                                                                                                          Personally I am thinking mostly along the lines of scale so much of this debate is rememdied.

                                                                                                                                                                          Ttyl.  Paul Krause.

                                                                                                                                                                          Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android


                                                                                                                                                                          From:"'Thomas Stoltz' tstoltz@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                          Date:Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 11:56 AM
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject:[S-Trains] Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Paul Krause wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                          Tom,

                                                                                                                                                                          A few things about code 125 and Code 131 rail:

                                                                                                                                                                          1.  Concerning running Flyer on code 125.  Yes it works but some older flyer has flange dragging issues.  But minimal.  Our  CT S-Gaugers club layout is hand laid code 125.  We run flyer on it all the time. No problems.

                                                                                                                                                                          2.  I have code 125 handlaid rail on the main lines of my layout and can run flyer but prefer scale.  More so for  visiting guests with flyer.  

                                                                                                                                                                          3.  The turnouts on my layout  will be closed frog.  I am building them using the Fast Tracks code 125 scale template.  The points and closed frog will require me modifying how the template assembles the middle movable section of the turnout.  #6s.

                                                                                                                                                                          4. Fast Tracks Tim Warris  does not make a high rail movable closed frog template.  I asked a while back and he said he was too busy.  I bet if he did...they would fly off the shelves.  

                                                                                                                                                                          5. S-Helper code 131 (or 133 or 138.. not sure what it is..  tend to think lower #s) fits in the code 125 S scale template.  Tim Warris does not make S scale templates for code 148 rail.

                                                                                                                                                                          Paul Krause


                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Hi Paul,

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          I thought code 132 was iffy for Flyer, but you are saying CSG runs Flyer on code 125…Wow! 

                                                                                                                                                                          I don’t have much experience with closing frog turnouts, I was under the impressions that are a bit problematic which is why the BK model isn’t flying off the shelf.  However, as I said, other than Flyer switches, I have no experience with them.  I do own a pair of GarGraves #6 moveable frog turnouts but have only ever looked at them.

                                                                                                                                                                          For the record; SHS profile rail is .138” and it is the same rail profile being used by Lionel and MTH.

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          Thank you for the info,

                                                                                                                                                                          Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                          in Maine

                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76725 From: Tom Hawley Date: 9/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Digest Number 6864 - #6 Turnouts
                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                                                                                          From: Paul Krause pakrause5@... [S-Trains] 
                                                                                                                                                                          . . . . . . As for the code .138"  . . . . . . .it is .138".  . . . . . . .some flyer flanges will ride the ties occasionally but this is really a minimum. 
                                                                                                                                                                          > > > > > > > > >
                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                          I will not say that didn't happen to you, but I have had different experience.  I have made all-type-of-wheel turnouts using code 100, soldering the rail to printed circuit ties, and I have never found an AF wheel that caused any noticible flange hitting tie.  The deepest AF flanges may have lightly touch a tie, but I'm not even convninced of that. 
                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                          What you are experienced is AF wheel flange hitting tie plates or over-size spikes.  Measure with your dial caliper the depth of your AF flanges.  You probably have more on hand than I have, but if you find any greater than 0.100 inch deep, I will be educated.
                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                          tom Hawley  --  Lansing Mich
                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76726 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 27 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                                          Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                            "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                            When
                                                                                                                                                                            Sunday, 27 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                                            05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                            (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                            Where
                                                                                                                                                                            http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                            Notes
                                                                                                                                                                            SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76727 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/27/2015
                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 27 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                                            Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                              "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                              When
                                                                                                                                                                              Sunday, 27 September 2015
                                                                                                                                                                              05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                              (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                              Where
                                                                                                                                                                              http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                              Notes
                                                                                                                                                                              SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76728 From: henrykoshollek Date: 9/28/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: S-Scale Fire station kit
                                                                                                                                                                              Hi group, I'm looking for a Kit or factory complete fire house or station to put on my layout so my grand son will have a place to work at on layout. Oga might work as some fire stuff is a little out of gauge. Any ideas ? Hank in Wisconsin


                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76729 From: mark_h_charles Date: 9/28/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: NASG 2016 - active steam locomotives on tour
                                                                                                                                                                              Among many railroad attractions at The Henry Ford (Greenfield Village) are the daily operation of authentic steam locomotives. They hare three active locomotives. Typically one is operated for a week, then a second is activated for the weekend and the subsequent week. Coaling, watering and other chores are handled in an authentic manner. The attached photo shows the fireman taking water.


                                                                                                                                                                                @@attachment@@
                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76730 From: UNLV666@... Date: 9/28/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: S-Scale Fire station kit
                                                                                                                                                                              Contact Pine Canyon Models [Michael Greene proprietor] on their web site for a good S Scale Kit. I believe  that Doug Peck of Portline Hobbies has this product in stock.
                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                              In a message dated 9/28/2015 1:17:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                              Hi group, I'm looking for a Kit or factory complete fire house or station to put on my layout so my grand son will have a place to work at on layout. Oga might work as some fire stuff is a little out of gauge. Any ideas ? Hank in Wisconsin


                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76731 From: traindavid Date: 9/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: The PE must have something right
                                                                                                                                                                              This was just posted on the S-scale list--if one of their members can praise
                                                                                                                                                                              the PE, it must be pretty good! Still haven't had space/time to run mine
                                                                                                                                                                              yet.
                                                                                                                                                                              David


                                                                                                                                                                              "Polar Express Berkshire
                                                                                                                                                                              Posted by: "scale S only" scalesonly@... scalesonly
                                                                                                                                                                              Date: Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:32 pm ((PDT))


                                                                                                                                                                              Hi all --


                                                                                                                                                                              I just had to get a Flionel Polar Express set for around the Xmas tree.
                                                                                                                                                                              Today I got to set it up and test it. As you all know, I am a big fan of
                                                                                                                                                                              RRM brass steam because it is as good as it gets when it comes to running
                                                                                                                                                                              qualities, so you know I am hard to impress. Well, today I was impressed!
                                                                                                                                                                              The PE 2-8-4 ran every bit as well as the RRM 2-8-4s I have AND on 20”
                                                                                                                                                                              radius curves. I have no intent of changing to the dark side and going
                                                                                                                                                                              hi-rail, but I needed something other than my brass going under the tree and
                                                                                                                                                                              this is perfect. If you all have that kind of issue (brass under the tree
                                                                                                                                                                              with the pets and big feet), I can highly recommend this offering.


                                                                                                                                                                              If you think you might want to convert the loco and cars to scale S, I don’t
                                                                                                                                                                              know how easy that would be. The cars are very nicely done (at least as
                                                                                                                                                                              nice as the AM heavyweights), though the tail car has a rounded platform and
                                                                                                                                                                              clerestory roof end (something I have never seen in real life, but not out
                                                                                                                                                                              of the question). The engine is set to run on AC with radio control, but
                                                                                                                                                                              can also be run on variable AC. The motor is DC, so I see no reason one
                                                                                                                                                                              could not change the electrics. The loco itself has a funky 1880s
                                                                                                                                                                              cowcatcher which could probably be removed and changed to something else.
                                                                                                                                                                              All detail is cast on, including handrails. Compared to my RRM 2-8-4s, it
                                                                                                                                                                              is about a foot and a half longer between the sand dome and pop valve
                                                                                                                                                                              cluster, but I think that actually improves the loco’s proportions. The
                                                                                                                                                                              tender is exactly the same size as the brass model, with cast on handrails.
                                                                                                                                                                              All in all, not bad.


                                                                                                                                                                              Have fun!
                                                                                                                                                                              Bill Winans"
                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76732 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 9/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: The PE must have something right
                                                                                                                                                                              Hi David,
                                                                                                                                                                               It so sad that we jest about a comment on the S Scale list. My wife was asking me why his letter was so long and I explained to her about how picky the scale guys are about rivets, oil leaks, and all the detail things and about how there was a big fight with cyber bullying that went on. 
                                                                                                                                                                               I know for myself, I have stayed away from this group because of the bad taste in my mouth from all of it so many years ago. Seems like yesterday this all happened. 

                                                                                                                                                                               I was going back through the archives of the S List and found I have belonged almost since the beginning of the S trains group. A lot of great stuff left behind on the internet for future reference. 
                                                                                                                                                                              The beginnings of the can motor replacements all the way up to the new fangled electronics now called Flyer Chief. 
                                                                                                                                                                               Oh well, I digressed. Have a great day, Chris Burger, aka Cbtrainnut.


                                                                                                                                                                              From: "djdewey@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                              Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:01 AM
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: [S-Trains] The PE must have something right

                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                              This was just posted on the S-scale list--if one of their members can praise
                                                                                                                                                                              the PE, it must be pretty good! Still haven't had space/time to run mine
                                                                                                                                                                              yet.
                                                                                                                                                                              David

                                                                                                                                                                              "Polar Express Berkshire
                                                                                                                                                                              Posted by: "scale S only" scalesonly@... scalesonly
                                                                                                                                                                              Date: Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:32 pm ((PDT))

                                                                                                                                                                              Hi all --

                                                                                                                                                                              I just had to get a Flionel Polar Express set for around the Xmas tree.
                                                                                                                                                                              Today I got to set it up and test it. As you all know, I am a big fan of
                                                                                                                                                                              RRM brass steam because it is as good as it gets when it comes to running
                                                                                                                                                                              qualities, so you know I am hard to impress. Well, today I was impressed!
                                                                                                                                                                              The PE 2-8-4 ran every bit as well as the RRM 2-8-4s I have AND on 20”
                                                                                                                                                                              radius curves. I have no intent of changing to the dark side and going
                                                                                                                                                                              hi-rail, but I needed something other than my brass going under the tree and
                                                                                                                                                                              this is perfect. If you all have that kind of issue (brass under the tree
                                                                                                                                                                              with the pets and big feet), I can highly recommend this offering.

                                                                                                                                                                              If you think you might want to convert the loco and cars to scale S, I don’t
                                                                                                                                                                              know how easy that would be. The cars are very nicely done (at least as
                                                                                                                                                                              nice as the AM heavyweights), though the tail car has a rounded platform and
                                                                                                                                                                              clerestory roof end (something I have never seen in real life, but not out
                                                                                                                                                                              of the question). The engine is set to run on AC with radio control, but
                                                                                                                                                                              can also be run on variable AC. The motor is DC, so I see no reason one
                                                                                                                                                                              could not change the electrics. The loco itself has a funky 1880s
                                                                                                                                                                              cowcatcher which could probably be removed and changed to something else.
                                                                                                                                                                              All detail is cast on, including handrails. Compared to my RRM 2-8-4s, it
                                                                                                                                                                              is about a foot and a half longer between the sand dome and pop valve
                                                                                                                                                                              cluster, but I think that actually improves the loco’s proportions. The
                                                                                                                                                                              tender is exactly the same size as the brass model, with cast on handrails.
                                                                                                                                                                              All in all, not bad.

                                                                                                                                                                              Have fun!
                                                                                                                                                                              Bill Winans"



                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76733 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: The PE must have something right
                                                                                                                                                                              From: Alan Lambert
                                                                                                                                                                                       Lone Star Flyer Club

                                                                                                                                                                              David,

                                                                                                                                                                              Coming from Bill Winans who is also President of National Association of S Gaugers which I am a member, I think the high rail side just got a big boost. He is high on the Scale side and low on our side. The scale guy's are now having to make what they want to have. High rail has more to offer ready to run. Just my thoughts.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Alan Lambert
                                                                                                                                                                               



                                                                                                                                                                              From: "djdewey@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                              Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 3:01 AM
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: [S-Trains] The PE must have something right

                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                              This was just posted on the S-scale list--if one of their members can praise
                                                                                                                                                                              the PE, it must be pretty good! Still haven't had space/time to run mine
                                                                                                                                                                              yet.
                                                                                                                                                                              David

                                                                                                                                                                              "Polar Express Berkshire
                                                                                                                                                                              Posted by: "scale S only" scalesonly@... scalesonly
                                                                                                                                                                              Date: Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:32 pm ((PDT))

                                                                                                                                                                              Hi all --

                                                                                                                                                                              I just had to get a Flionel Polar Express set for around the Xmas tree.
                                                                                                                                                                              Today I got to set it up and test it. As you all know, I am a big fan of
                                                                                                                                                                              RRM brass steam because it is as good as it gets when it comes to running
                                                                                                                                                                              qualities, so you know I am hard to impress. Well, today I was impressed!
                                                                                                                                                                              The PE 2-8-4 ran every bit as well as the RRM 2-8-4s I have AND on 20”
                                                                                                                                                                              radius curves. I have no intent of changing to the dark side and going
                                                                                                                                                                              hi-rail, but I needed something other than my brass going under the tree and
                                                                                                                                                                              this is perfect. If you all have that kind of issue (brass under the tree
                                                                                                                                                                              with the pets and big feet), I can highly recommend this offering.

                                                                                                                                                                              If you think you might want to convert the loco and cars to scale S, I don’t
                                                                                                                                                                              know how easy that would be. The cars are very nicely done (at least as
                                                                                                                                                                              nice as the AM heavyweights), though the tail car has a rounded platform and
                                                                                                                                                                              clerestory roof end (something I have never seen in real life, but not out
                                                                                                                                                                              of the question). The engine is set to run on AC with radio control, but
                                                                                                                                                                              can also be run on variable AC. The motor is DC, so I see no reason one
                                                                                                                                                                              could not change the electrics. The loco itself has a funky 1880s
                                                                                                                                                                              cowcatcher which could probably be removed and changed to something else.
                                                                                                                                                                              All detail is cast on, including handrails. Compared to my RRM 2-8-4s, it
                                                                                                                                                                              is about a foot and a half longer between the sand dome and pop valve
                                                                                                                                                                              cluster, but I think that actually improves the loco’s proportions. The
                                                                                                                                                                              tender is exactly the same size as the brass model, with cast on handrails.
                                                                                                                                                                              All in all, not bad.

                                                                                                                                                                              Have fun!
                                                                                                                                                                              Bill Winans"



                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76734 From: tennsgauger Date: 9/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: The PE must have something right - Supporting Scale and Highrail
                                                                                                                                                                              I think Bill Winans does a great job as NASG president and tries his best to represent both the scale and the highrail side of S.  That is not always an easy job to do. 
                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                              I am a former Flyer guy who has transitioned primarily to scale.  But I look forward to reading reports about the other Berkshire Locos that Flyonel is supposed to produce in the coming months. 
                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                              I still take some highrail items to operate at an annual model show at our Science Museum here in Nashville.  The Polar Express train is not for me, but one of the upcoming Berkshire Locos that Flyonel has announced would really be nice, if I can make up my mind between the Nickel Plate 765 and the C&O 2716 in Southern Railway's excursion scheme.  I will hold off on ordering until I read some reports on the new locos.  Though Bill gives a great report on the Polar Express steam loco, it is the unpredictability of Flyonel production that concerns me.  They seem to do a great job on one product and then botch the next one, even if its almost a carbon copy of the previous project. 
                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                              My interest in highrail continues as I am helping a good friend set up a highrail layout for his granddaughter.  American Flyer couplers and highrail are perfect for those little fingers.  I admit I have primarily given my friend SHS items, supplemented with American Flyer action cars and accessories.
                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                -  Earl Henry, Nashville
                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                              In a message dated 9/29/2015 8:43:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                              From: Alan Lambert
                                                                                                                                                                                       Lone Star Flyer Club

                                                                                                                                                                              David,

                                                                                                                                                                              Coming from Bill Winans who is also President of National Association of S Gaugers which I am a member, I think the high rail side just got a big boost. He is high on the Scale side and low on our side. The scale guy's are now having to make what they want to have. High rail has more to offer ready to run. Just my thoughts.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Alan Lambert
                                                                                                                                                                               



                                                                                                                                                                              From: "djdewey@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                              Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 3:01 AM
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: [S-Trains] The PE must have something right

                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                              This was just posted on the S-scale list--if one of their members can praise
                                                                                                                                                                              the PE, it must be pretty good! Still haven't had space/time to run mine
                                                                                                                                                                              yet.
                                                                                                                                                                              David

                                                                                                                                                                              "Polar Express Berkshire
                                                                                                                                                                              Posted by: "scale S only" scalesonly@... scalesonly
                                                                                                                                                                              Date: Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:32 pm ((PDT))

                                                                                                                                                                              Hi all --

                                                                                                                                                                              I just had to get a Flionel Polar Express set for around the Xmas tree.
                                                                                                                                                                              Today I got to set it up and test it. As you all know, I am a big fan of
                                                                                                                                                                              RRM brass steam because it is as good as it gets when it comes to running
                                                                                                                                                                              qualities, so you know I am hard to impress. Well, today I was impressed!
                                                                                                                                                                              The PE 2-8-4 ran every bit as well as the RRM 2-8-4s I have AND on 20”
                                                                                                                                                                              radius curves. I have no intent of changing to the dark side and going
                                                                                                                                                                              hi-rail, but I needed something other than my brass going under the tree and
                                                                                                                                                                              this is perfect. If you all have that kind of issue (brass under the tree
                                                                                                                                                                              with the pets and big feet), I can highly recommend this offering.

                                                                                                                                                                              If you think you might want to convert the loco and cars to scale S, I don’t
                                                                                                                                                                              know how easy that would be. The cars are very nicely done (at least as
                                                                                                                                                                              nice as the AM heavyweights), though the tail car has a rounded platform and
                                                                                                                                                                              clerestory roof end (something I have never seen in real life, but not out
                                                                                                                                                                              of the question). The engine is set to run on AC with radio control, but
                                                                                                                                                                              can also be run on variable AC. The motor is DC, so I see no reason one
                                                                                                                                                                              could not change the electrics. The loco itself has a funky 1880s
                                                                                                                                                                              cowcatcher which could probably be removed and changed to something else.
                                                                                                                                                                              All detail is cast on, including handrails. Compared to my RRM 2-8-4s, it
                                                                                                                                                                              is about a foot and a half longer between the sand dome and pop valve
                                                                                                                                                                              cluster, but I think that actually improves the loco’s proportions. The
                                                                                                                                                                              tender is exactly the same size as the brass model, with cast on handrails.
                                                                                                                                                                              All in all, not bad.

                                                                                                                                                                              Have fun!
                                                                                                                                                                              Bill Winans"



                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76735 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Layout update and track question.. update.

                                                                                                                                                                              The recent exchange about tinplate vs hi-rail was actually quite informative.  There is much to be gained by looking through so many points of view.  Now I can confidently tell you that my tinplate layout (Gargraves & AF) that used to be a foot from the ceiling is at 42" and running.  Track and wiring are repaired.  Two talking stations are working.  Kinks in curves that were not visible when the layout was high are ironed out.  A lift up drawbridge has been added so you can get inside the layout.  Locomotives and rolling stock are all working (except for two AF tin tender locos that stall on switches).  Trains are running.  And I am bored.  Then again, it's better than no trains!


                                                                                                                                                                              Hence the need for a new layout that supports some operations.  What interests me about the hobby is changing.  Maybe too much reading Model Railroader and operations-oriented books.  Maybe too much watching the real thing on Trains & Locomotives.  Whatever the reason I am heading toward scale or better what I think Earl called Hi-Scale.  Hi-rail for certain with kadee couplers and locomotives & rolling stock that operates slowly and smoothly enough to support operations.  Whether or not they are detailed enough to be called "scale" they need to be convincing.  Structures and scenery that reflect the area being modelled.  That's the new goal.  And of course the old AF trains need to be able to run for sentimental and nostalgic reasons.  They are the reason I got started in the first place.  And sometimes you just can't beat a whiff of that smoke.


                                                                                                                                                                              So no track decision has been reached.  I like the MTH/SHS track a lot.  But AM has turnouts that don't look too bad.  The immediate goal is to come up with a double-main wrap-around loop to loop track plan that is compelling enough to make me go back to no trains while it is being built.  And with some accommodation for loop-running.  I'll be seeking advice on that for sure.  The room is 15 by 42'.  The usable area is more like 12 by 38'.  No duckunders and would like to avoid liftouts.  Anyone got any good track plan ideas? 


                                                                                                                                                                              Regards,

                                                                                                                                                                              Tim Benner

                                                                                                                                                                              Jackson, MI


                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76736 From: stephen.terni Date: 9/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: NASG and other commemorative cars

                                                                                                                                                                              Hello all.

                                                                                                                                                                              I have some new in new in box commemorative cars that I am going to sell.  I want to let the group have 

                                                                                                                                                                              the first shot at it.  The values shown are from the 2015 Greenberg guide, however feel free to make an offer.

                                                                                                                                                                              Please contact me directly by email. Priority shipping is $12.95 each (will combine.) Will send photos on request.

                                                                                                                                                                              Thanks for looking.


                                                                                                                                                                              6-48205 NASG 1997 Pacific Fruit Express Reefer, $52

                                                                                                                                                                              6-48214 NASG 1999 GN Caboose, $55

                                                                                                                                                                              6-48228 NASG 2002 Cook Paint Tank Car, $117

                                                                                                                                                                              6-48233 NASG 2003 UP 1-D Tanker, $82

                                                                                                                                                                              6-48235 Forest Service/Smokey the Bear Tank Car, $103

                                                                                                                                                                              6-48412 Alaska 3-D Tank Car, $50


                                                                                                                                                                              Steve in Houston




                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76737 From: afot7 Date: 9/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: P/E stop sales

                                                                                                                                                                               Lionel had notified dealers to stop shipping out Polar Express sets power pack recall.

                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76738 From: racin510 Date: 9/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: The PE must have something right
                                                                                                                                                                              Great to hear since the Berk's should have a correct cow catcher.
                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76739 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Layout and track questions

                                                                                                                                                                              Tim, good for you.  I don't know for sure if the hobby is changing along these lines, or if those of us who have been in it a long time are often looking for new things to conquer and enjoy.  Stagnation is rarely a good thing, after all.  I've been evolving through this hobby in many scales for years so it has never gotten "old" for my 65 years.


                                                                                                                                                                              As far as track, I think you're on the right one!  SHS/MTH and AM are both good systems.  I've long preferred the SHS style with it's lower rail height, yet still having that ability to run both toy and scale trains.  However, American Models gives you a much wider variety of track with only a little taller rail.  It is also capable of running toy or scale trains of course.


                                                                                                                                                                              This flexibility lets you indulge in the operation of either type of equipment, and mixing and matching the SHS and AM systems is possible with adapting the rail joiners and shimming transition areas of track to match rail heights.  My experience with Gargraves sent me looking for better track some years ago.  It's okay for going 'round and 'round, but won't cut it as well for switching and "operation" as well as  the newer track systems. 


                                                                                                                                                                              Glad to hear that you have more real estate now.  Go for it and enjoy!


                                                                                                                                                                              Stumpy Stone...from the now "wet and wild" part of Eastern Ahia


                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76740 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: The PE must have something right...

                                                                                                                                                                              With a more "scale" Berk in the future, this Polar Express version would seem to be a "preview of coming attractions."  The odd pilot is a product of this set being based on a fantasy film, which shows the locomotive with such a pilot.  Understanding that, I don't see it as a totally disqualifying offence.


                                                                                                                                                                              The question on everyone's mind is:  Just how good will the next Berk be, both in appearance and quality of operation?  It worries me that Lionel is trending toward drawing power only from  a locomotive trailing truck.  I hope they recognize this mistake and use both tender trucks or the drivers, or all wheels for power pick up.  More power pick up is always desirable, especially the dirtier track gets.  I see this as a design fault that can't be blamed on poor manufacture or assembly.


                                                                                                                                                                              Like others, I will wait until some reviews of the coming loco appear before thinking about plinking down any money.  Flyonel quality has been too spotty for my tastes.


                                                                                                                                                                              Stumpy in Ahia





                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76741 From: poniaj Date: 9/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: P/E stop sales
                                                                                                                                                                              I wondered it they would do something about it.  The power pack is rated at 31.5 VA.  If you add the two "add-on" cars, it brings the power requirements close to the max of the pack.  Some guys have reported that it gets very hot.  I power mine with a classic Flyer transformer with a lot more punch.  But it seems like the folks at Lionel would have put a bit more thought into a set that's supposed to be a starter set in S.  Things like this aren't what S needs.  Imagine a customer who gets the set, and something goes wrong.  It sours them on the scale, if not the whole hobby.  Lionel's O gauge set must sell, but who wants that rail in the middle?  :>)

                                                                                                                                                                              I plan on running mine at the national convention in 2016.  I'll try to convince the Southeastern Michigan guys to let me run it on the club layout.  But I'll bet a few members already plan on doing that.  I does look good, though.  It runs great and is nicely proportioned.  Much nicer than the foreshortened O gauge version.  The upcoming Berks are supposed to be more detailed.  I hope so. 

                                                                                                                                                                              Jerry
                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76742 From: gartrain404 Date: 9/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Digest Number 6873 Re: The PE must have something right
                                                                                                                                                                              S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains
                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                              Hey Chris Burger, Yes we were early on with Paul York
                                                                                                                                                                              and yes we have weathered many discussions both
                                                                                                                                                                              hot and cold about Hi Rail vs Flyer vs Scale.
                                                                                                                                                                              I believe today we are all more friendly.
                                                                                                                                                                              Glenn Ritter, former NASG secretary
                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                              Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:40 am (PDT) . Posted by:

                                                                                                                                                                              "Chrisandmhel Burger" cbtrainnut3

                                                                                                                                                                              Hi David, It so sad that we jest about a comment on the S Scale list. My wife was asking me why his letter was so long and I explained to her about how picky the scale guys are about rivets, oil leaks, and all the detail things and about how there was a big fight with cyber bullying that went on.  I know for myself, I have stayed away from this group because of the bad taste in my mouth from all of it so many years ago. Seems like yesterday this all happened.
                                                                                                                                                                              I was going back through the archives of the S List and found I have belonged almost since the beginning of the S trains group. A lot of great stuff left behind on the internet for future reference. The beginnings of the can motor replacements all the way up to the new fangled electronics now called Flyer Chief.  Oh well, I digressed. Have a great day, Chris Burger, aka Cbtrainnut.
                                                                                                                                                                              From: "djdewey@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                              Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:01 AM
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: [S-Trains] The PE must have something right
                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76743 From: vu68 Date: 9/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Layout update and track question.. update.
                                                                                                                                                                              Tim Brenner,

                                                                                                                                                                              I am at an amazingly similar point in my redesign:
                                                                                                                                                                              • I've got an existing layout (AF and Gargraves track) that I want to take down and upgrade to what you call a HiScale look
                                                                                                                                                                              • I've got a 11 x 36 area to use
                                                                                                                                                                              • I like the MTH/SHS track, but the AM track is good too, but seems to have better turnouts
                                                                                                                                                                              • Looking for design ideas to support some operation
                                                                                                                                                                              I'd be interested in sharing layout ideas you have or might come up with, although I'm still in the early stages of looking for ideas and don't have anything to offer at the moment.  Send me an email at VU68@... if you'd like to start sharing ideas.

                                                                                                                                                                              John Zurad
                                                                                                                                                                              Marariottsville, MD
                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76744 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 9/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Layout update and track question.. update.
                                                                                                                                                                              Tim and John:
                                                                                                                                                                              I seem to remember that Carl Tuveson built a layout something similar in size (might have been a little larger?).  Check out his info at
                                                                                                                                                                              http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer
                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                              He also has a great site with lots of info (unfortunately, I don't have the address!).  You should be able to find it, however.
                                                                                                                                                                              good luck, nice to have such a good size to work with.
                                                                                                                                                                              regards,
                                                                                                                                                                              Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway) 
                                                                                                                                                                              

                                                                                                                                                                              On 9/30/2015 13:04, vu68@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                              Tim Brenner,

                                                                                                                                                                              I am at an amazingly similar point in my redesign:
                                                                                                                                                                              • I've got an existing layout (AF and Gargraves track) that I want to take down and upgrade to what you call a HiScale look
                                                                                                                                                                              • I've got a 11 x 36 area to use
                                                                                                                                                                              • I like the MTH/SHS track, but the AM track is good too, but seems to have better turnouts
                                                                                                                                                                              • Looking for design ideas to support some operation
                                                                                                                                                                              I'd be interested in sharing layout ideas you have or might come up with, although I'm still in the early stages of looking for ideas and don't have anything to offer at the moment.  Send me an email at VU68@... if you'd like to start sharing ideas.

                                                                                                                                                                              John Zurad





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                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76745 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 9/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Layout update and track question.. update.
                                                                                                                                                                              Tim and John:
                                                                                                                                                                              found it, relatively simple: http://www.tuveson.com/
                                                                                                                                                                              regards,
                                                                                                                                                                              Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
                                                                                                                                                                              Lots of great tips and pictures, how to, etc.






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                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76746 From: James Lyle Date: 9/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Fwd: Polar Express


                                                                                                                                                                              Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                                              Begin forwarded message:


                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                              Dear Value Added Dealers,

                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                              Please see below for a message from our Production Team regarding the recent concerns on the 6-49632 A/F Polar Express Sets:

                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                              We apologize for the delay in responding to our request to hold off on shipping the 6-49632 American Flyer Polar Express sets to your customers who have so patiently waited for these sets to arrive. We received some initial feedback from customers who were concerned the sets would not operate properly with the included power supply. We took the time to review the set once again and have determined that the set, as packaged operates fine using the included 18VDC wall transformer included with it. In the event any of your customers have any performance issues with one of these sets, please have them contact Lionel Customer Service directly at 586-949-4100.

                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                              It is important to note that if your customers add the two separate sale American Flyer passenger cars to the base set that the included transformer will likely not power the set at the top end speeds. This is due to the transformer having just enough current to handle the locomotive, tender and three cars in the set itself. In the event your customers plan to operate the set with 5 cars (the base set plus two add-on cars) they will need to purchase a transformer with more current, such as our 6-81603 72 Watt DC Transformer, which is currently available in stock.

                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                              We apologize for the delay in getting this information to you, but we wanted to ensure there was nothing that had slipped by us in delivering a world-class magical train to the S gauge community.

                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                              Thank you,

                                                                                                                                                                              Lionel

                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76747 From: traindavid Date: 9/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: PE recall?
                                                                                                                                                                              Hmm, so wonder what the deal will be for those of us with sets "in hand"?
                                                                                                                                                                              I sometimes wonder if anyone at L actually runs their trains, you'd think
                                                                                                                                                                              this issue would have shown up immediately!
                                                                                                                                                                              David
                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76748 From: James Lyle Date: 9/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: P/E stop sales
                                                                                                                                                                              Lionel has no idea what the product is they are getting by their own admission.  The tell the Chinese what they want, eventually they get a sample.
                                                                                                                                                                              Their executives have mentioned this on more than one occasion.   One of reason every one else's quality is so much higher.
                                                                                                                                                                              Lionel selling a memory.

                                                                                                                                                                              Jim Lyle

                                                                                                                                                                              Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                                              On Sep 30, 2015, at 8:41 AM, poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                              I wondered it they would do something about it.  The power pack is rated at 31.5 VA.  If you add the two "add-on" cars, it brings the power requirements close to the max of the pack.  Some guys have reported that it gets very hot.  I power mine with a classic Flyer transformer with a lot more punch.  But it seems like the folks at Lionel would have put a bit more thought into a set that's supposed to be a starter set in S.  Things like this aren't what S needs.  Imagine a customer who gets the set, and something goes wrong.  It sours them on the scale, if not the whole hobby.  Lionel's O gauge set must sell, but who wants that rail in the middle?  :>)

                                                                                                                                                                              I plan on running mine at the national convention in 2016.  I'll try to convince the Southeastern Michigan guys to let me run it on the club layout.  But I'll bet a few members already plan on doing that.  I does look good, t hough.  It runs great and is nicely proportioned.  Much nicer than the foreshortened O gauge version.  The upcoming Berks are supposed to be more detailed.  I hope so. 

                                                                                                                                                                              Jerry
                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76749 From: elist@ribbonrail.com Date: 9/30/2015
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                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76750 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Layout update and track question.. update.

                                                                                                                                                                              Yes!  Carl's website is great as is his layout. 


                                                                                                                                                                              I like the mix and match idea with SHS track and AM turnouts and crossings.  I'll need both in a loop to loop track plan. 


                                                                                                                                                                              John,  I would be happy to discuss track plans.  I have been reading John Armstrong's book over and over, burning through pencils and think I have come up with a mainline plan to best use the space.


                                                                                                                                                                              The (loosely followed) prototype is the Pittsburgh to Beaver Falls, PA mainline on the east bank of the Ohio River in 1950. The old Ft. Wayne line.  Well maybe not from the Pittsburgh station but from the Federal St. Station on the North Side.  That was a four track main.  Mine will be two as four would make the whole thing just too 'track dense'.  I have specific scenes, stations and industries in mind. Memories from growing up there.  I could list them but fear it might bore those not from Western PA.  One scene I will definitely model is Clifton Station in Emsworth (long gone).  I hope you can see it here:  http://www.west2k.com/papix/clifton.jpg


                                                                                                                                                                              That should give an idea of the scenery and overall feel.  I like passenger trains so will be running the commuter schedule along with some way freights along this line.  The goal is 40" minimum radius on the main but that may have to shrink just a little on the return loops.


                                                                                                                                                                              If anyone is interested I will post track plans.  I can't wait to commit my scribbles to AnyRail and find out how many cases of track need to be ordered and how close to that minimum radius the space will actually allow.  About 2/3 of the L-girder benchwork is already done.  The former ceiling railroad is resting on it.


                                                                                                                                                                              Fired up?  You bet!  Thanks for all of your responses.


                                                                                                                                                                              Regards,

                                                                                                                                                                              Tim Benner

                                                                                                                                                                              Jackson, MI



                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76751 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/1/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Layout update and track question.. update.
                                                                                                                                                                              Tim:
                                                                                                                                                                              If you have some pics of the existing L-girders, etc. and they are handy, please send me a copy. And don't hesitate to post track plan.
                                                                                                                                                                              Tx
                                                                                                                                                                              Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

                                                                                                                                                                              On 9/30/2015 23:27, tim.benner@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                              Yes!  Carl's website is great as is his layout. 


                                                                                                                                                                              I like the mix and match idea with SHS track and AM turnouts and crossings.  I'll need both in a loop to loop track plan. 


                                                                                                                                                                              John,  I would be happy to discuss track plans.  I have been reading John Armstrong's book over and over, burning through pencils and think I have come up with a mainline plan to best use the space.


                                                                                                                                                                              The (loosely followed) prototype is the Pittsburgh to Beaver Falls, PA mainline on the east bank of the Ohio River in 1950. The old Ft. Wayne line.  Well maybe not from the Pittsburgh station but from the Federal St. Station on the North Side.  That was a four track main.  Mine will be two as four would make the whole thing just too 'track dense'.  I have specific scenes, stations and industries in mind. Memories from growing up there.  I could list them but fear it might bore those not from Western PA.  One scene I will definitely model is Clifton Station in Emsworth (long gone).  I hope you can see it here:  http://www.west2k.com/papix/clifton.jpg


                                                                                                                                                                              That should give an idea of the scenery and overall feel.  I like passenger trains so will be running the commuter schedule along with some way freights along this line.  The goal is 40" minimum radius on the main but that may have to shrink just a little on the return loops.


                                                                                                                                                                              If anyone is interested I will post track plans.  I can't wait to commit my scribbles to AnyRail and find out how many cases of track need to be ordered and how close to that minimum radius the space will actually allow.  About 2/3 of the L-girder benchwork is already done.  The former ceiling railroad is resting on it.


                                                                                                                                                                              Fired up?  You bet!  Thanks for all of your responses.


                                                                                                                                                                              Regards,

                                                                                                                                                                              Tim Benner

                                                                                                                                                                              Jackson, MI







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                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76752 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 10/1/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Layout update and track question.. update.
                                                                                                                                                                              You mentioned Model Railroader Magazine; they have an online database of track plans that will give you no end of ideas! Not many specifically designed for S, but gobs and gobs of ideas that a creative mind can build in S.



                                                                                                                                                                              On Sep 29, 2015, at 3:04 PM, tim.benner@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                              The recent exchange about tinplate vs hi-rail was actually quite informative.  There is much to be gained by looking through so many points of view.  Now I can confidently tell you that my tinplate layout (Gargraves & AF) that used to be a foot from the ceiling is at 42" and running.  Track and wiring are repaired.  Two talking stations are working.  Kinks in curves that were not visible when the layout was high are ironed out.  A lift up drawbridge has been added so you can get inside the layout.  Locomotives and rolling stock are all working (except for two AF tin tender locos that stall on switches).  Trains are running.  And I am bored.  Then again, it's better than no trains!


                                                                                                                                                                              Hence the need for a new layout that supports some operations.  What interests me about the hobby is changing.  Maybe too much reading Model Railroader and operations-oriented books.  Maybe too much watching the real thing on Trains & Locomotives.  Whatever the reason I am heading toward scale or better what I think Earl called Hi-Scale.  Hi-rail for certain with kadee couplers and locomotives & rolling stock that operates slowly and smoothly enough to support operations.  Whether or not they are detailed enough to be called "scale" they need to be convincing.  Structures and scenery that reflect the area being modelled.  That's the new goal.  And of course the old AF trains need to be able to run for sentimental and nostalgic reasons.  They are the reason I got started in the first place.  And sometimes you just can't beat a whiff of that smoke.


                                                                                                                                                                              So no track decision has been reached.  I like the MTH/SHS track a lot.  But AM has turnouts that don't look too bad.  The immediate goal is to come up with a double-main wrap-around loop to loop track plan that is compelling enough to make me go back to no trains while it is being built.  And with some accommodation for loop-running.  I'll be seeking advice on that for sure.  The room is 15 by 42'.  The usable area is more like 12 by 38'.  No duckunders and would like to avoid liftouts.  Anyone got any good track plan ideas? 


                                                                                                                                                                              Regards,

                                                                                                                                                                              Tim Benner

                                                                                                                                                                              Jackson, MI


                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76753 From: tbennerohio Date: 10/1/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: L-girders for new layout

                                                                                                                                                                              Rance,


                                                                                                                                                                              I posted some pics of the L-girder bases and an initial track plan to a new folder called Ft. Wayne line.  Pardon the storage tubs and boxes under the bases... and missing ceiling tiles.  It is a work in progress after all.  Running a new water line for the new refrigerator in a new location BEFORE work starts in earnest.


                                                                                                                                                                              Regards,


                                                                                                                                                                              Tim Benner

                                                                                                                                                                              Jackson, MI 

                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76754 From: kempfam Date: 10/2/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Layout update and track question.. update.
                                                                                                                                                                              If you join the MTH S club, $55 for US residents, add $25 for Canada, add $30 everywhere else, a track planning dvd as well as a car and periodic catalogs are included.  This year the car is a tofc.
                                                                                                                                                                              Ron




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                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76755 From: Michael Fox Date: 10/2/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Ace trucks
                                                                                                                                                                              Michael Fox here, another retired refugee from HO and convert to S in the face of aging eyes and frustration with adding details that I can't see afterwards without a magnifier.

                                                                                                                                                                              I've been a lurker on this list, reading and learning from your comments but now I have a question regarding trucks and wheelsets.

                                                                                                                                                                              I have recently acquired two Pacific Rails boxcars in their original, untouched state which includes unassembled truck components in a plastic bag labelled Ace.

                                                                                                                                                                              Before I go searching for replacements for the oversized wheels and wrestle with those tiny springs, I would apreciated hearing about your experiences with these trucks.  I am especially interested in learning about their functionality.

                                                                                                                                                                              How do they track across rail joints and through switch points and frogs that might be less than perfect?  How do they compare to other brands such as MTH  and American Models?

                                                                                                                                                                              Thank you all for whatever insights you can pass my way.  I appreciate that this question might repetitive of earlier postings; please take pity on this newcomer. 

                                                                                                                                                                              Michael Fox
                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76756 From: redpinto756@... Date: 10/2/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: PE recall?
                                                                                                                                                                              the realism of the fire consuming their prize creation has left them speechless 
                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76757 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 10/2/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Cleveland Designs Kits
                                                                                                                                                                              As the NASG webmaster, I received an e-mail a few days ago from a gentleman by the name of Jim Zulawski. He has spent a considerable amount of time researching the copyrights and patents related to the old Cleveland Designs S-gauge kits. He is in contact with the current owner. The plan is to consider re-releasing those old kits. The owner is willing to consider the project, if there is enough demand. If you would be interested in this, or would like more information, please use Jim's dedicated e-mail:

                                                                                                                                                                              clevelandmodelkits@...

                                                                                                                                                                              He mentioned that there is one original drawing of the CD tank car on the Internet at this address:

                                                                                                                                                                              http://smm.solidmodelmemories.net/Gallery/displayimage.php?pid=7103

                                                                                                                                                                              That's all I know. I am just forwarding the crux of the information should any of you be interested in this project.

                                                                                                                                                                               - Peter.


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                                                                                                                                                                              Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
                                                                                                                                                                              Houston, Texas
                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                              My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
                                                                                                                                                                              My business site: http://fourthray.com/
                                                                                                                                                                              Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/
                                                                                                                                                                              NASG site: http://nasg.org/
                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76758 From: dphobbies Date: 10/2/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Des Plaines Hobbies Fall Sale
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                                                                                                                                                                              For those who may be interested, we are having our Fall Sale here at Des Plaines Hobbies.  Virtually the whole store is on sale at 20% off with many lines higher like new American Flyer at 30% off.

                                                                                                                                                                              Ron Sebastian

                                                                                                                                                                              Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America

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                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76759 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/2/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Ace trucks
                                                                                                                                                                              Welcome to S.....ACE trucks are still available from Weiser model works, various S oriented hobby shops and eBay, ACE offered sprung and inspiring trucks and hightail (large flanged) wheels and scale flanged wheels, available still...ACE had archbar, Andrews, bettendorf and roller bearing stiles of S trucks. In addition they offered metal and plastic wheels, still available from above mentioned sources.


                                                                                                                                                                              Aside from assembly, the diecast parts may require some cleaning of parting lines/flash and painting. The obvious advantage of American Models and MTH/SHS trucks are they are assembled and black.


                                                                                                                                                                              Also PRS had their own freight trucks, sometimes included in kits, they are also available from time to time. The trucks are very nice looking, a bit quirky to assemble (no springs to fly around) and included brake shoe details. They are all plastic, roll very well, but are very light...I personally prefer the weight of diecast trucks. In addition PRS had offered a variety of truck styles.


                                                                                                                                                                              Replacement wheels for all above mentioned brands are available from all above mentioned sources and NWSL. NWSL also offers different wheel specs for different scale specs such as 1:64 proto ???


                                                                                                                                                                              There is a caution ....some of the very old S scale trucks ( Kinsman, ACE, Rex etc.) will have wheel spacing based on old S wheel standards...correctable by checking wheel gauge and re-gauging to current standards.


                                                                                                                                                                              Hope this helps a bit....


                                                                                                                                                                              P. Loeb






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                                                                                                                                                                              On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 7:05 AM PDT Michael Fox fox31746@... [S-Trains] wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                              >Michael Fox here, another retired refugee from HO and convert to S in the face of aging eyes and frustration with adding details that I can't see afterwards without a magnifier.
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                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76760 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 10/2/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Layout update and track question.. update.
                                                                                                                                                                              The dvd only gives access to the O scale track. At least it did the first year I joined.  Chris


                                                                                                                                                                              From: "kempfam kempfam@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                              Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 6:49 AM
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Layout update and track question.. update.

                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                              If you join the MTH S club, $55 for US residents, add $25 for Canada, add $30 everywhere else, a track planning dvd as well as a car and periodic catalogs are included.  This year the car is a tofc.
                                                                                                                                                                              Ron




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                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76761 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/3/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Ace trucks

                                                                                                                                                                              My experience with Ace trucks is limited to those I bought from Terry Putt some years ago when he was in business, but they were pretty much the same as all trucks designed in the fifties.  Plenty of casting "flash" to be filed away, a pain to assemble, crude detailing, and hard to get to roll well.   The work required to make them roll well includes rolling these types of trucks with engine valve grinding compound in the journals and other such tricks, pretty much a "lost art" today because there is just no need to do so.


                                                                                                                                                                              Unless you want the car to be 100% "original," I'd set them aside and get some S-Helper or American Models trucks.  They're ready to run, decently detailed, roll well, ride nicely, and are available with either wheel flanges. The price is quite reasonable and the quality of both products is excellent, unlike Lionel trucks.


                                                                                                                                                                              Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76762 From: Paul Krause Date: 10/3/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Ace trucks
                                                                                                                                                                              Stumpy,  I am in 100% agreement with ya here.  Any nice older cars or Flyer conversions with Ace under frames I typically replace them with S-helper or American Models
                                                                                                                                                                                The latter being my first choice.  S-Helper is now available from MTH of course..more expensive.  

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                                                                                                                                                                              From:"mrstumpy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                              Date:Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:17 AM
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject:[S-Trains] RE:Ace trucks

                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                              My experience with Ace trucks is limited to those I bought from Terry Putt some years ago when he was in business, but they were pretty much the same as all trucks designed in the fifties.  Plenty of casting "flash" to be filed away, a pain to assemble, crude detailing, and hard to get to roll well.   The work required to make them roll well includes rolling these types of trucks with engine valve grinding compound in the journals and other such tricks, pretty much a "lost art" today because there is just no need to do so.


                                                                                                                                                                              Unless you want the car to be 100% "original," I'd set them aside and get some S-Helper or American Models trucks.  They're ready to run, decently detailed, roll well, ride nicely, and are available with either wheel flanges. The price is quite reasonable and the quality of both products is excellent, unlike Lionel trucks.


                                                                                                                                                                              Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76763 From: Wesley Noel Date: 10/3/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Ace trucks
                                                                                                                                                                              Michael
                                                                                                                                                                              These are "scale" trucks and will not run thru Flyer or Gargraves high rail s

                                                                                                                                                                              On Friday, October 2, 2015, Michael Fox fox31746@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                              Michael Fox here, another retired refugee from HO and convert to S in the face of aging eyes and frustration with adding details that I can't see afterwards without a magnifier.

                                                                                                                                                                              I've been a lurker on this list, reading and learning from your comments but now I have a question regarding trucks and wheelsets.

                                                                                                                                                                              I have recently acquired two Pacific Rails boxcars in their original, untouched state which includes unassembled truck components in a plastic bag labelled Ace.

                                                                                                                                                                              Before I go searching for replacements for the oversized wheels and wrestle with those tiny springs, I would apreciated hearing about your experiences with these trucks.  I am especially interested in learning about their functionality.

                                                                                                                                                                              How do they track across rail joints and through switch points and frogs that might be less than perfect?  How do they compare to other brands such as MTH  and American Models?

                                                                                                                                                                              Thank you all for whatever insights you can pass my way.  I appreciate that this question might repetitive of earlier postings; please take pity on this newcomer. 

                                                                                                                                                                              Michael Fox

                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76764 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 10/3/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Need info of new AF track Vs SHS track
                                                                                                                                                                              The new Polar Express is great. I bought some extra AF track. The long track is just 3 straight peaces put together. Why does it look like AF HO Pike Master track? Gilbert was so far ahead of everyone.

                                                                                                                                                                              So I have never seen SH track. Figured I might find a good deal on some on E-bay.
                                                                                                                                                                              1. Would it blend in well with AF track?
                                                                                                                                                                              2. Does it come in a wider radius?
                                                                                                                                                                              3. Has any one compared the new AF turn outs with SHS turn outs.

                                                                                                                                                                              I am going to be in Delaware until late December. Any one living around here. Might do a quick layout. I have some 2' by 4' in the Villages for AM track. I used the S Scale standard. May be I do AF Straight sections and make up new AF curve sections. Any new standards?

                                                                                                                                                                              Thanks Jim Sleeth
                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76765 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 10/3/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: GETTING IN TO S. SCALE OR HIGH RAIL..IT'S YOUR CHOICE

                                                                                                                                                                              I got in to S pretty much the way everyone did by getting an American Flyer train set one Christmas about 1960 or so. I managed to acquire several sets and a lot of track by 1967 when I joined the Navy. When I came home on leave after my first tour in Vietnam I found that all of my trains had been sold..........for a song. I didn't even get the 50 bucks either lol. By the time I got out of the Navy in 1971 American Flyer was long gone so i dabbled in HO until the early 1990's when I discovered American Models and other companies like S Helper Service and a few others. Then I discovered scale as opposed to high rail and I was hooked. I do not make slight of those who like high rail as I hope thwey do not make slight of my preference for scale. I just happen to like the scale wheel flanges better than the high rail ones.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I do not have a layout yet as we live in a motorhome and there isn't much room for modeling let alone a layout. I do have ideas that I will eventually getr on paper as soon as we can get THE RIGHT PLACE. Maybe I should say the perfect place lololololol. I hope to use Tomalco and Shinohara code 100 for the mainline and the same code in 83 for the sidings and code 70 for the yards. I am also going to utilize BK turnouts. Modeling be it scale or high rail is up to the individual and as I see it if it makes you happy then fine. Besides the only person you have to impress is yourself.

                                                                                                                                                                                   Bob Lampe

                                                                                                                                                                                   Kalispell, MT

                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76766 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/3/2015
                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 04 October 2015
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                                                                                                                                                                                Sunday, 04 October 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
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                                                                                                                                                                                SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76767 From: frank emiro Date: 10/3/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: The S POLAR EXPRESS
                                                                                                                                                                                The operating issue i have been told, is the plug on the power pack is to small. An upgraded power pack is better and has no issues with the operating of the set..


                                                                                                                                                                                Click on and enjoy it


                                                                                                                                                                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsSlYqH3mac


                                                                                                                                                                                Frank R. EMIRO
                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76768 From: william lewis Date: 10/3/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Ace trucks
                                                                                                                                                                                Yes just stick with S-helper/MTH or American models trucks. My preference is with the AM


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                                                                                                                                                                                On Oct 3, 2015, 1:00:28 PM, Paul Krause pakrause5@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                Stumpy, I am in 100% agreement with ya here. Any nice older cars or Flyer conversions with Ace under frames I typically replace them with S-helper or American Models
                                                                                                                                                                                The latter being my first choice. S-Helper is now available from MTH of course..more expensive.

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                                                                                                                                                                                From:"mrstumpy@... [S-Trains]"
                                                                                                                                                                                Date:Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:17 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                Subject:[S-Trains] RE:Ace trucks

                                                                                                                                                                                My experience with Ace trucks is limited to those I bought from Terry Putt some years ago when he was in business, but they were pretty much the same as all trucks designed in the fifties. Plenty of casting "flash" to be filed away, a pain to assemble, crude detailing, and hard to get to roll well. The work required to make them roll well includes rolling these types of trucks with engine valve grinding compound in the journals and other such tricks, pretty much a "lost art" today because there is just no need to do so.


                                                                                                                                                                                Unless you want the car to be 100% "original," I'd set them aside and get some S-Helper or American Models trucks. They're ready to run, decently detailed, roll well, ride nicely, and are available with either wheel flanges. The price is quite reasonable and the quality of both products is excellent, unlike Lionel trucks.


                                                                                                                                                                                Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76769 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 10/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: The S POLAR EXPRESS
                                                                                                                                                                                Great video Frank, thanks for sharing.
                                                                                                                                                                                Chris


                                                                                                                                                                                From: "frank emiro femiro2002@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2015 7:52 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: [S-Trains] The S POLAR EXPRESS

                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                The operating issue i have been told, is the plug on the power pack is to small. An upgraded power pack is better and has no issues with the operating of the set..

                                                                                                                                                                                Click on and enjoy it

                                                                                                                                                                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsSlYqH3mac

                                                                                                                                                                                Frank R. EMIRO


                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76770 From: beebear Date: 10/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Ace trucks

                                                                                                                                                                                Do you guys have the part number for the AM trucks and coupler you are talking about? I have a few gondola cars I bought at a flea market

                                                                                                                                                                                without trucks and need to get them rolling.

                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks

                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                John

                                                                                                                                                                                 

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                                                                                                                                                                                Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 10:01 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Ace trucks

                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                Yes just stick with S-helper/MTH or American models trucks. My preference is with the AM







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                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76771 From: Michael Fox Date: 10/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Ace trucks
                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks to all who responded.  Based on your comments, I'm going to buy a couple of trucks each by AM and MTH and try them out.  Sounds I can't go wrong with either. 

                                                                                                                                                                                Michael Fox


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                                                                                                                                                                                From: "william lewis lenscap76@... [S-Trains]"
                                                                                                                                                                                Date:10/03/2015 9:01 PM (GMT-06:00)
                                                                                                                                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Ace trucks

                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                Yes just stick with S-helper/MTH or American models trucks. My preference is with the AM


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                                                                                                                                                                                On Oct 3, 2015, 1:00:28 PM, Paul Krause pakrause5@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                Stumpy, I am in 100% agreement with ya here. Any nice older cars or Flyer conversions with Ace under frames I typically replace them with S-helper or American Models
                                                                                                                                                                                The latter being my first choice. S-Helper is now available from MTH of course..more expensive.

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                                                                                                                                                                                From:"mrstumpy@... [S-Trains]"
                                                                                                                                                                                Date:Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:17 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                Subject:[S-Trains] RE:Ace trucks

                                                                                                                                                                                My experience with Ace trucks is limited to those I bought from Terry Putt some years ago when he was in business, but they were pretty much the same as all trucks designed in the fifties. Plenty of casting "flash" to be filed away, a pain to assemble, crude detailing, and hard to get to roll well. The work required to make them roll well includes rolling these types of trucks with engine valve grinding compound in the journals and other such tricks, pretty much a "lost art" today because there is just no need to do so.


                                                                                                                                                                                Unless you want the car to be 100% "original," I'd set them aside and get some S-Helper or American Models trucks. They're ready to run, decently detailed, roll well, ride nicely, and are available with either wheel flanges. The price is quite reasonable and the quality of both products is excellent, unlike Lionel trucks.


                                                                                                                                                                                Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76772 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 04 October 2015
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                                                                                                                                                                                  SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76773 From: Frank Emiro Date: 10/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: The S POLAR EXPRESS
                                                                                                                                                                                  Chris, due to the video, I bought a set, Lol. Frank

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                                                                                                                                                                                  On Oct 4, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  Great video Frank, thanks for sharing.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Chris


                                                                                                                                                                                  From: "frank emiro femiro2002@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2015 7:52 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] The S POLAR EXPRESS

                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                  The operating issue i have been told, is the plug on the power pack is to small. An upgraded power pack is better and has no issues with the operating of the set..

                                                                                                                                                                                  Click on and enjoy it

                                                                                                                                                                                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsSlYqH3mac

                                                                                                                                                                                  Frank R. EMIRO


                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76774 From: Sam & Peggy Date: 10/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Need info of new AF track Vs SHS track
                                                                                                                                                                                  If you need more AF track, I have plenty that I can work a deal for you.  You will pay mostly shipping.
                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                  Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 21:15:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] Need info of new AF track Vs SHS track

                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                  The new Polar Express is great. I bought some extra AF track. The long track is just 3 straight peaces put together. Why does it look like AF HO Pike Master track? Gilbert was so far ahead of everyone.

                                                                                                                                                                                  So I have never seen SH track. Figured I might find a good deal on some on E-bay.
                                                                                                                                                                                  1. Would it blend in well with AF track?
                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Does it come in a wider radius?
                                                                                                                                                                                  3. Has any one compared the new AF turn outs with SHS turn outs.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I am going to be in Delaware until late December. Any one living around here. Might do a quick layout. I have some 2' by 4' in the Villages for AM track. I used the S Scale standard. May be I do AF Straight sections and make up new AF curve sections. Any new standards?

                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks Jim Sleeth


                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76775 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 10/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: The S POLAR EXPRESS
                                                                                                                                                                                  I was going to buy one but got laid of the last week of August and so did my wife. Luckily she is back to work.  Chris


                                                                                                                                                                                  From: "Frank Emiro femiro2002@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 1:26 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The S POLAR EXPRESS

                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                  Chris, due to the video, I bought a set, Lol. Frank

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                                                                                                                                                                                  On Oct 4, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                  Great video Frank, thanks for sharing.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Chris


                                                                                                                                                                                  From: "frank emiro femiro2002@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2015 7:52 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] The S POLAR EXPRESS

                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                  The operating issue i have been told, is the plug on the power pack is to small. An upgraded power pack is better and has no issues with the operating of the set..

                                                                                                                                                                                  Click on and enjoy it

                                                                                                                                                                                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsSlYqH3mac

                                                                                                                                                                                  Frank R. EMIRO




                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76776 From: frank emiro Date: 10/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: The S POLAR EXPRESS
                                                                                                                                                                                  Hope you return to work soon. Frank R. EMIRO -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 10/4/15, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The S POLAR EXPRESS To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2015, 5:17 PM I was going to buy one but got laid of the last week of August and so did my wife. Luckily she is back to work. Chris From: "Frank Emiro femiro2002@... [S-Trains]" <
                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76777 From: Roy Inman Date: 10/5/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Need info of new AF track Vs SHS track
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: [S-Trains] Need info of new AF track Vs SHS track SH track is now being made by MTH. It looks a lot like the Flyonel FasTrack. SH made a transition piece from their track to tubular AF. SH has roadbed, so the two track styles are different.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I personally prefer the Flyonel, but it is rather difficult to snap together. A friend says he uses a tiny drop of oil on the pins and it then goes together easily.

                                                                                                                                                                                  The SH track does seem to work well. I built a foam Christmas layout five years ago and it has endured several set ups and take downs, including home use and at our big holiday layout at Union Station Kansas City.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Roy Inman


                                                                                                                                                                                  on 10/4/15, 3:52 PM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                  If you need more AF track, I have plenty that I can work a deal for you.  You will pay mostly shipping.
                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                  Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 21:15:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] Need info of new AF track Vs SHS track

                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                  The new Polar Express is great. I bought some extra AF track. The long track is just 3 straight peaces put together. Why does it look like AF HO Pike Master track? Gilbert was so far ahead of everyone.

                                                                                                                                                                                  So I have never seen SH track. Figured I might find a good deal on some on E-bay.
                                                                                                                                                                                  1. Would it blend in well with AF track?
                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Does it come in a wider radius?
                                                                                                                                                                                  3. Has any one compared the new AF turn outs with SHS turn outs.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I am going to be in Delaware until late December. Any one living around here. Might do a quick layout. I have some 2' by 4' in the Villages for AM track. I used the S Scale standard. May be I do AF Straight sections and make up new AF curve sections. Any new standards?

                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks Jim Sleeth


                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                     



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                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76778 From: tbennerohio Date: 10/5/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: sub-roadbed

                                                                                                                                                                                  What are folks using these days for sub-roadbed?  Back in the late 70s I was using 3/4"plywood over L-girder benchwork.  3/4" seems like overkill if 5/8 if 1/2 will do the job..


                                                                                                                                                                                  Is there any advantage to using homasote vs cork if using flex track instead of hand laying?


                                                                                                                                                                                  As always, Thanks!


                                                                                                                                                                                  Tim Benner

                                                                                                                                                                                  Jackson, MI

                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76779 From: Robert Lampe Date: 10/5/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                  I always used 3/8 plywood for my sub roadbed and either cork, homasote or upson board for my roadbed.Actually it is up to the builder but in my opinion anything larger than 3/8 plywood is overkill and just adds to the expense of the layout not to mention extra weight. By all means DO NOT USE particle board or wafer board. In my opinion neither is durable enough to support a layout even though they are extremely heavy. Particle board if it gets wet will completely disintegrate. Wafer board does have a better quality of glue but I still would not use it. I have seen layouts built usinf 2x4's for the framework and 1/2 inch plywood for the sub roadbed. This just seemed to me to be a waste of money when a framework of 1x4's and 3/8 plywood for the subroadbed which for years were the suggested and endorsed materials to use along with 2x2 legs.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Kalsipell, MT


                                                                                                                                                                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                  Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 12:48:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] sub-roadbed

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  What are folks using these days for sub-roadbed?  Back in the late 70s I was using 3/4"plywood over L-girder benchwork.  3/4" seems like overkill if 5/8 if 1/2 will do the job..


                                                                                                                                                                                  Is there any advantage to using homasote vs cork if using flex track instead of hand laying?


                                                                                                                                                                                  As always, Thanks!


                                                                                                                                                                                  Tim Benner
                                                                                                                                                                                  Jackson, MI

                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76780 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Need info on Af track...

                                                                                                                                                                                  I've been using SHS track for display layouts for nine years with no problems while it runs eight or more hours straight at a train show.  The sectional track is mounted on it's own plastic roadbed, the flex track is just like any other flex track where you use your own roadbed.  Both are a good product.  Switches are sectional with roadbed, so you want to match the height when joining them to flex track.  MTH makes the SHS line now.


                                                                                                                                                                                  My long experience with all scales is to use as much flex track as possible.  Less rail joints on a layout, therefore less voltage loss or possible derailment points.  Note to those used to HO track:  To bend flex track to tight radius in scales larger than HO takes more strength and patience as the rails and ties are heavier than HO.  I much prefer cork roadbed for flex track as it works very well, is less costly than Homasote, and is easier to work with.


                                                                                                                                                                                  I also like to solder all rail joins for conductivity.  But I MUST have reliability for train show operation.


                                                                                                                                                                                  Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76781 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Sub-roadbed

                                                                                                                                                                                  Way back when I started in this hobby (in HO), the gospel according to the magazines was 3/4" plywood topped by Homasote sub-roadbed, topped by Tru-scale milled wood roadbed and hand laid rails (incredible overbuilding!)  When flex track came along with fiber ties, I jumped on it immediately, only to be tripped up by basement dampness screwing up the fiber ties!


                                                                                                                                                                                  Over the years Homasote fell from favor and became very hard to find in many places.  But good plastic tie flex track on cork roadbed glued right on 5/8 ore 1/2 inch plywood evolved as the way to go.  Different types of layout bases came along too, always going toward lighter materials, including bench work topped by extruded Styrofoam.  I've been using 2" thick extruded Styrofoam on either tables at train shows, or the traditional  framework of 1x4 pine on edge.  It works with any scale including G gauge.


                                                                                                                                                                                  The problem with Homasote is that it's sometimes hard to find locally, costly (especially the shipping if you need to do that), heavy, and a mess to clean up all the unique saw dust.  It's sound deadening is no better than cork.  One trick is to use slightly thicker cork roadbed for a larger scale and trim it to your scale.)


                                                                                                                                                                                  One of the quietest layouts I've seen was an O Scale layout in the seventies built on the 1x4 framing topped by 1/2" plywood then tight weave green carpet and finally a double layer of O scale cork under the track.   Kind of extreme, but it was quieter than most HO layouts, despite the size and weight of the trains.


                                                                                                                                                                                  I've seen several O gauge three rail layouts using the cookie cutter on open frame style that used 1/2" plywood on risers to create grades, and it worked fine.  Some years ago at the hobby shop we ran short of materials and one grade was 16 feet of 1/4" hardboard (Masonite) with the risers moved closer together for support.  (That thinner material was a lot easier to bend too.) 


                                                                                                                                                                                  Layout design has evolved for many years and continues to do so.  Discussions of what to use have been going on just as long.  A lot of old timers just can't get into the aluminum framing style, but I think it's a good idea, if expensive.  I've seen small portable layouts built of layered cardboard, and one N scale one made of formed cardstock. (I don't think these would survive the damp basement I was in all those years ago!) 


                                                                                                                                                                                  In the end, you can explore all the options, listen to all the advice, but eventually have to build the layout that suits YOUR use and location.   Best of luck on your project Tim!


                                                                                                                                                                                  Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76782 From: kensington3121 Date: 10/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                     I use plywood as a base.  Overtop of that are pink foam insulation sheets (2"), followed by roadbed-width, sound-deadening material for the subroad bed and then finished with American Models rubber road bed.
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                     Track noise has been cut way down and it all takes painting and cutting very well.   
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                  Paul Schilling
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                  -----Original Message-----
                                                                                                                                                                                  From: Robert Lampe danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 10:17 pm
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: RE: [S-Trains] sub-roadbed

                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                  I always used 3/8 plywood for my sub roadbed and either cork, homasote or upson board for my roadbed.Actually it is up to the builder but in my opinion anything larger than 3/8 plywood is overkill and just adds to the expense of the layout not to mention extra weight. By all means DO NOT USE particle board or wafer board. In my opinion neither is durable enough to support a layout even though they are extremely heavy. Particle board if it gets wet will completely disintegrate. Wafer board does have a better quality of glue but I still would not use it. I have seen layouts built usinf 2x4's for the framework and 1/2 inch plywood for the sub roadbed. This just seemed to me to be a waste of money when a framework of 1x4's and 3/8 plywood for the subroadbed which for years were the suggested and endorsed materials to use along with 2x2 legs.
                                                                                                                                                                                                &nb sp;                                                                 Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Kalsipell, MT


                                                                                                                                                                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogr oups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                  Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 12:48:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] sub-roadbed

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  What are folks using these days for sub-roadbed?  Back in the late 70s I was using 3/4"plywood over L-girder benchwork.  3/4" seems like overkill if 5/8 if 1/2 will do the job..


                                                                                                                                                                                  Is there any advantage to using homasote vs cork if using flex track instead of hand laying?


                                                                                                                                                                                  As always, Thanks!


                                                                                                                                                                                  Tim Benner
                                                                                                                                                                                  Jackson, MI

                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76783 From: pickycat95 Date: 10/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: sub-roadbed

                                                                                                                                                                                  My last layout was table top type with 2x4 framing and 1/2" plywood.  The road bed for mainlines was two layers of cork (O bottom course and S top course) and single layer for lesser lines.  The table top ended out being a large soundboard, which I didn't always like.  I think a thicker table reduces the sound board effect.  Some I know have used 3/4" plywood with 3/4" MDF panels floating on sponge foam in order to eliminate the soundboard effect. 


                                                                                                                                                                                  Using open grid construction with strips of wood for road bed will eliminate the soundboard issue, however I would be worried about torsional (warping) stability of thinner and lower grade plywood. 

                                                                                                                                                                                  Ben Trousdale

                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76784 From: traindavid Date: 10/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: sub-roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                  If you build your layout with 2x4s and 3/4" plywood, you will be able to
                                                                                                                                                                                  walk on your layout without fear of breaking through--up to about 300 lbs
                                                                                                                                                                                  (maybe more)! I usually overbuild (that's what my Dad taught me), but even I
                                                                                                                                                                                  would be happy with the 2x2 legs and 1x4 ( or even 1x3) construction--just
                                                                                                                                                                                  don't underdo the cross-bracing. Now, since I'm cheap, I would resaw 2x4s
                                                                                                                                                                                  for my lumber, as it's hard (around here) to get decent 2x2s etc. Diagonal
                                                                                                                                                                                  bracing is important too, and it can be as simple as some 3/8" plywood
                                                                                                                                                                                  triangles 1' on sides in the corners (OK, the long side will be the square
                                                                                                                                                                                  root of the of the sum of the squares of the other two sides).
                                                                                                                                                                                  I agree 100%, do not use pressboard or waferboard! I have a number of metal
                                                                                                                                                                                  shelving units and I have to screw & glue 2x2 cross braces on the pressboard
                                                                                                                                                                                  shelving, or it warps and sags badly within a year. Learned this the hard
                                                                                                                                                                                  way! Braced, it seems to be fine, even with very heavy stuff on it (the
                                                                                                                                                                                  shelving is rated for heavy stuff!)
                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76785 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 10/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                  I've had this wild idea for a number of years on how to deaden track noise. Unless someone else has tried it I just might give it a shot one of these days. The Idea is to glue or otherwise fasten a thin rubber sheet, cut slightly wider than the roadbed, to the sub-roadbed and then fasten or glue the roadbed over that which hopefully would work as a sound deadener. Either someone has tried it and it didn't work or it has not been attempted cause it's too much of a hair-brained idea. Any thoughts on it?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Kalsispell, MT
                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76786 From: snstrains Date: 10/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Layout construction and roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                  A video from a few years ago shows a very excellent way to install track and deaden the drumming sound. It was put out by SnS Trains and is still available. What I use, (and so did they) is 1/2" plywood table top with 1/2" insulating foam (blueboard) glued with liquid nails on top of it. I then used 1/4" sill seal material cut into appropriate width and glued to the foam board with liquid nails as roadbed. I glued my American models track to that roadbed with liquid nails. There are no nails or screws to transfer sound to the wooden base, thus almost no sound except the clickety clack of the wheels on the track joints and the roar of the Diesels and Steamers. . The Rocky Mountain-Hi Railers club recently used this method in the construction of their newest modular layout "Lookout Junction" IV
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                  Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                                                                                                  Boise, Idaho
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                  In a message dated 10/6/2015 3:44:15 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  I've had this wild idea for a number of years on how to deaden track noise. Unless someone else has tried it I just might give it a shot one of these days. The Idea is to glue or otherwise fasten a thin rubber sheet, cut slightly wider than the roadbed, to the sub-roadbed and then fasten or glue the roadbed over that which hopefully would work as a sound deadener. Either someone has tried it and it didn't work or it has not been attempted cause it's too much of a hair-brained idea. Any thoughts on it?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      &nbs p;         Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Kalsispell, MT

                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76787 From: Edward Musil Date: 10/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Sub-roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                  Homasote is available in 4'x8' sheets  from Home Depot by special order or you can use regular concrete expansion joint material.  It is made of the same material as homasote and comes in 3 -3.5 inch width x 8 feet long strips. Plus with the expansion joint material you can cut reliefs  in it for corners.  Using homasote makes for one quite railroad.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Ed 




                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76788 From: Paul Krause Date: 10/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                  Use the sticky backed car sound deadener sheets you can buy at an auto supply.  Then either use cork or homosote over that.  I like the double cork idea mentioned before but that can be expensive.  But the combo of the two would work well.  

                                                                                                                                                                                  I used 1/2" homosote over 1/2" cabinet grade plywood in the open grid fashion.  Not perfect but good enough.  When I add the 2" foam all around for scenery it will deaden down even more.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  From:"danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                  Date:Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 5:44 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject:[S-Trains] Re: sub-roadbed

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  I've had this wild idea for a number of years on how to deaden track noise. Unless someone else has tried it I just might give it a shot one of these days. The Idea is to glue or otherwise fasten a thin rubber sheet, cut slightly wider than the roadbed, to the sub-roadbed and then fasten or glue the roadbed over that which hopefully would work as a sound deadener. Either someone has tried it and it didn't work or it has not been attempted cause it's too much of a hair-brained idea. Any thoughts on it?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Kalsispell, MT

                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76789 From: Roy Inman Date: 10/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Sub-roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: [S-Trains] RE: Sub-roadbed Pink 1” foam with rubber roadbed all glued with water-based contact cement. Little noise, light, easily workable.

                                                                                                                                                                                  The Boulder Model Railroad Club has some similar ideas on their web site.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Roy Inman


                                                                                                                                                                                  on 10/6/15, 7:58 AM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                  Way back when I started in this hobby (in HO), the gospel according to the magazines was 3/4" plywood topped by Homasote sub-roadbed, topped by Tru-scale milled wood roadbed and hand laid rails (incredible overbuilding!)  When flex track came along with fiber ties, I jumped on it immediately, only to be tripped up by basement dampness screwing up the fiber ties!



                                                                                                                                                                                  Over the years Homasote fell from favor and became very hard to find in many places.  But good plastic tie flex track on cork roadbed glued right on 5/8 ore 1/2 inch plywood evolved as the way to go.  Different types of layout bases came along too, always going toward lighter materials, including bench work topped by extruded Styrofoam.  I've been using 2" thick extruded Styrofoam on either tables at train shows, or the traditional  framework of 1x4 pine on edge.  It works with any scale including G  gauge.



                                                                                                                                                                                  The problem with Homasote is that it's sometimes hard to find locally, costly (especially the shipping if you need to do that), heavy, and a mess to clean up all the unique saw dust.  It's sound deadening is no better than cork.  One trick is to use slightly thicker cork roadbed for a larger scale and trim it to your scale.)



                                                                                                                                                                                  One of the quietest layouts I've seen was an O Scale layout in the seventies built on the 1x4 framing topped by 1/2" plywood then tight weave green carpet and finally a double layer of O scale cork under the track.   Kind of extreme, but it was quieter than most HO layouts, despite the size and weight of the trains.



                                                                                                                                                                                  I've seen several O gauge three rail layouts using the cookie cutter on open frame style that used 1/2" plywood on risers to cr eate grades, and it worked fine.  Some years ago at the hobby shop we ran short of materials and one grade was 16 feet of 1/4" hardboard (Masonite) with the risers moved closer together for support.  (That thinner material was a lot easier to bend too.)  



                                                                                                                                                                                  Layout design has evolved for many years and continues to do so.  Discussions of what to use have been going on just as long.  A lot of old timers just can't get into the aluminum framing style, but I think it's a good idea, if expensive.  I've seen small portable layouts built of layered cardboard, and one N scale one made of formed cardstock. (I don't think these would survive the damp basement I was in all those years ago!)  



                                                                                                                                                                                  In the end, you can explore all the options, listen to all the advice, but eventually have to build the layout that suits YOUR use and location.&nbs p;  Best of luck on your project Tim!



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                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76790 From: Tom Date: 10/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                  I’ve basically done what Stumpy has done with regard to SHS flex track and sectional track.  I’ve fit in Flyonel sectional track and used AM flex tack in a few spots and with some careful work to shim to the proper height and to join the track they all work well together.  I’d stick with one kind of track to the extent possible but I had to modify my approach with the transition that SHS went through and the fact that SHS track was hard to get.  Now MTH may solve that problem because SHS type track is available again.

                                                                                                                                                                                  My track sits on cork roadbed.  Original I tacked it carefully to my plywood.  More recently I have hot glued the cork down which I think deadens the sound a little more because there is no nailing directly into the plywood.  I know a friend experimented once with using another type of spray adhesive to fasten his roadbed to the underlayment so there is undoubtedly more than one way to glue cork to the roadbed.  The hot gluing avoids using spray products which I prefer to do.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Tom

                                                                                                                                                                                  On Oct 6, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Paul Krause pakrause5@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                  Use the sticky backed car sound deadener sheets you can buy at an auto supply.  Then either use cork or homosote over that.  I like the double cork idea mentioned before but that can be expensive.  But the combo of the two would work well.  

                                                                                                                                                                                  I used 1/2" homosote over 1/2" cabinet grade plywood in the open grid fashion.  Not perfect but good enough.  When I add the 2" foam all around for scenery it will deaden down even more.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  From:"danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                  Date:Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 5:44 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject:[S-Trains] Re: sub-roadbed

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  I've had this wild idea for a number of years on how to deaden track noise. Unless someone else has tried it I just might give it a shot one of these days. The Idea is to glue or otherwise fasten a thin rubber sheet, cut slightly wider than the roadbed, to the sub-roadbed and then fasten or glue the roadbed over that which hopefully would work as a sound deadener. Either someone has tried it and it didn't work or it has not been attempted cause it's too much of a hair-brained idea. Any thoughts on it?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Kalsispell, MT



                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76791 From: beebear Date: 10/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Layout construction and roadbed

                                                                                                                                                                                  There is a guy on EBay that sells a gray or black foam that is  cutout for the size of S track. It is sold it 3’ sections. The more you buy the better the price.

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-30-S-Scale-1-4-Black-Sound-Foam-Track-Roadbed-Free-Sample-cork-replac-/190732771630

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-60-American-Flyer-S-Scale-Gray-Sound-Foam-Track-Roadbed-Free-Sample-/201022246616

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 7:13 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] Layout construction and roadbed

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  A video from a few years ago shows a very excellent way to install track and deaden the drumming sound. It was put out by SnS Trains and is still available. What I use, (and so did they) is 1/2" plywood table top with 1/2" insulating foam (blueboard) glued with liquid nails on top of it. I then used 1/4" sill seal material cut into appropriate width and glued to the foam board with liquid nails as roadbed. I glued my American models track to that roadbed with liquid nails. There are no nails or screws to transfer sound to the wooden base, thus almost no sound except the clickety clack of the wheels on the track joints and the roar of the Diesels and Steamers. . The Rocky Mountain-Hi Railers club recently used this method in the construction of their newest modular layout "Lookout Junction" IV

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                                                                                                  Boise, Idaho




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                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76792 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Sound deadening thinking

                                                                                                                                                                                  I never found the sound of running trains too much of a problem until onboard sound systems came along.  Since that time, two problems appeared: 1. The layout noise.  2. Multiple locomotives drowning each other out to a dull roar.  The solution to the second is easy, just turn down the volume of the on board systems  of each loco or shut them of as needed.


                                                                                                                                                                                  The problem with layout sound is a whole other matter.  The idea is to isolate the track and trains from the wood or metal of the layout itself, since the layout is like a drum head, a "sounding board."  Nails or screws transfer the sound directly to the plywood, so glue is preferable.  Silicone sealers and glues make the best glue to limit sound as they remain flexible.  The larger and more solid the base structure is, the worse the problem will be, so an entire flat top layout of plywood will be worst.  Open frame layouts with just a sub roadbed for the track does not give a large area to resonate sound.


                                                                                                                                                                                  I have used the extruded Styrofoam for years with good results, but again a full sheet is a lot of area, just like plywood, just less dense.  So cork or rubber under the track makes a difference even then.  Many years ago linoleum or rubber based floor tiles were used, cut into strips placed under each track tie or under the track as a whole as roadbed.  


                                                                                                                                                                                  Anything you do to keep the track apart from all the structure under it will help because there is no physical connection to pass sound resonance between them.


                                                                                                                                                                                  Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76793 From: tbennerohio Date: 10/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: sub-roadbed

                                                                                                                                                                                  Wow!  A lot of great ideas!  My layout will be plywood sub-roadbed over L-girder benchwork with joists/risers every 16-19".  So I think I will go with 1/2" plywood with cork roadbed attached with silicon caulk.  There is probably no reason to start with the homasote dust since I will not be hand laying track.  The flextrack will be glued to the cork with silicone caulk.


                                                                                                                                                                                  Just keeping it simple. 


                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks,


                                                                                                                                                                                  Tim Benner

                                                                                                                                                                                  Jackson, MI

                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76794 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                  Hi Tim:
                                                                                                                                                                                  I basically did the same thing that you plan to do.  Unfortunately, one section of the layout is quite noisy (drum like).  The problem there was that I used SHS flextrack (rather than SHS or AM sectional track) on cork or homosote roadbed, did glue the roadbed to the plywood and the flextrack to the roadbed, but had to use some small brads to keep kinks out of the flextrack joints on curves; so there is some attachment to the plywood (I think).  I did stagger the rails on the curves, but one can still get a kink (unless you solder the rails straight initially).  It works, however, and I might put some sound absorbing material underneath the basic plywood.  Anyone have any suggestions for the sound absorbing material???  By the way, SHS flextrack (now MTH flextrack if they have it) is definitely easier to bend than AM, but both work.
                                                                                                                                                                                  regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                  Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

                                                                                                                                                                                  On 10/7/2015 15:26, tim.benner@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  Wow!  A lot of great ideas!  My layout will be plywood sub-roadbed over L-girder benchwork with joists/risers every 16-19".  So I think I will go with 1/2" plywood with cork roadbed attached with silicon caulk.  There is probably no reason to start with the homasote dust since I will not be hand laying track.  The flextrack will be glued to the cork with silicone caulk.


                                                                                                                                                                                  Just keeping it simple. 


                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks,


                                                                                                                                                                                  Tim Benner

                                                                                                                                                                                  Jackson, MI





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                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76795 From: tbennerohio Date: 10/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: sub-roadbed

                                                                                                                                                                                  Rance,


                                                                                                                                                                                  I had the noise problem when my ceiling layout first went up.  The only solution was to pull the screws.  I tried silicon gluing soft foam packing underneath and it helped a little but not much.  It still sounded like a real train was passing overhead.


                                                                                                                                                                                  BTW, I posted my first shot at the new track plan to the album named New Ft. Wayne Line.


                                                                                                                                                                                  Regards,


                                                                                                                                                                                  Tim Benner

                                                                                                                                                                                  Jackson, MI

                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76796 From: pickycat95 Date: 10/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: sub-roadbed

                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't know if the double cork really helped that much given the drum board characteristic of the rest of the 1/2" plywood layout surface.  As someone else mentioned I also did not use any mechanical fasteners when attaching the cork to the plywood, to each other or the ties to the cork .  One other thing I forgot is that my track was hand laid with wood ties and spikes.  Plastic ties absorb or dampen sound much better than wood ties.


                                                                                                                                                                                  It's hard to compare apples to oranges to pears to peaches and etc. given all the different methods of doing bench and track work.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Ben Trousdale

                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76797 From: Bob Groh Date: 10/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Sound deadening thinking
                                                                                                                                                                                  Additionally everyone should give some thought to the construction of the track itself.  Some track (e.g. Lionel's Fastrack) have the rails on a hollow'ish plastic base.  And (IMHO) that is part of the reason why FasTrack seems to be noisier than other types. I think track which is just rails on simple ties (e.g. most flex track) would probably be the best in the noise arena.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Add Stumpy's comments about the sub-base and you are probably reaching the limits of what you can do.  You just need to do everything you can to avoid transmitting the 'motion related vibrations' from being amplified!

                                                                                                                                                                                  Bob Groh, BLue Springs, Misssouri

                                                                                                                                                                                  On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 6:09 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  I never found the sound of running trains too much of a problem until onboard sound systems came along.  Since that time, two problems appeared: 1. The layout noise.  2. Multiple locomotives drowning each other out to a dull roar.  The solution to the second is easy, just turn down the volume of the on board systems  of each loco or shut them of as needed.


                                                                                                                                                                                  The problem with layout sound is a whole other matter.  The idea is to isolate the track and trains from the wood or metal of the layout itself, since the layout is like a drum head, a "sounding board."  Nails or screws transfer the sound directly to the plywood, so glue is preferable.  Silicone sealers and glues make the best glue to limit sound as they remain flexible.  The larger and more solid the base structure is, the worse the problem will be, so an entire flat top layout of plywood will be worst.  Open frame layouts with just a sub roadbed for the track does not give a large area to resonate sound.


                                                                                                                                                                                  I have used the extruded Styrofoam for years with good results, but again a full sheet is a lot of area, just like plywood, just less dense.  So cork or rubber under the track makes a difference even then.  Many years ago linoleum or rubber based floor tiles were used, cut into strips placed under each track tie or under the track as a whole as roadbed.  


                                                                                                                                                                                  Anything you do to keep the track apart from all the structure under it will help because there is no physical connection to pass sound resonance between them.


                                                                                                                                                                                  Stumpy in Ahia


                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76798 From: ecphora123 Date: 10/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Layout construction and roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm using, cheaper than plywood,  1/2 inch wafer board topped with a 2 inch thick sheet of insulation board. Atop that, my roadbed is made from 1/2 inch thick Armstrong no pattern or plain ceiling tile which is easily cut with a utility knife. It sands easily with a drywall sanding sponge. I actually use the type of knife that has snap off blades as I extend several blades out to accommodate the thickness of the tile when cut at a 30 degree bevel. 30 degrees is more prototypical than the 45 used on precut Homabed. I cut a scrap piece of pine at the proper angle so I can slide it along the cut line keeping the blade at the proper angle as I make each strip of roadbed.

                                                                                                                                                                                   I decided on the ceiling tile as that was recommended by Dennis Brennan in his book on Realistic Toy Train Layouts. I'm told that Roy Hoffman has also used it as well with no problem. I then paint the roadbed with a medium gray latex to seal it before gluing down ties. Also, the tile roadbed is glued down with latex caulk which holds it down quite well.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Two inch thick insulation board was used as I needed the ability to carve in it to create creeks, streams and even a water front scene on my Delmarva and Tidewater RR.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Gene Cimino
                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76799 From: dwaskes Date: 10/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Ace trucks
                                                                                                                                                                                  Hi Stumpy,
                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm a little taken aback by your appraisal of the Ace Trucks. I don't know what Terry Putt did to these
                                                                                                                                                                                  trucks to make them so unusable. That being said, I've found the Ace trucks to be some of the best
                                                                                                                                                                                  trucks I've ever used. They roll well, exceptionally well if you use the nylon bearings that Russ used
                                                                                                                                                                                  to sell for them. They're very nicely sprung and equalize beautifully. They're my truck of choice for all
                                                                                                                                                                                  of my freight cars. I also use some SHS, AM, and PRS trucks too but I'm a bona fide Ace aficionado.
                                                                                                                                                                                  I've never encountered any of the issues that you found with the Ace Trucks. The trucks that I've had
                                                                                                                                                                                  the most problems with are the old "Rex" trucks. They're visually appealing but they're a bear to get rolling
                                                                                                                                                                                  smoothly. The early SHS trucks had some issues too and their springing was horrible in my opinion.
                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm a S "scaler" so maybe the problems lie in the hi-rail wheel profile? I can't address that issue.
                                                                                                                                                                                  The Ace Trucks that Russ Downs provided to me were (are) some of the best S trucks ever made.
                                                                                                                                                                                  I enjoy reading your posts even if I may not always agree with your opinions. Keep up the good work.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Cheers,
                                                                                                                                                                                  Dan Waskes
                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76800 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 10/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Layout construction and roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                  Cheaper is not better. There is no way in you-know-how that I would even consider using waferboard. It is only slightly better than particle board. In addition to the possibility of it disintegrating if it gets wet it is very heavy and not easily bent. I wouldn't even use it for scenery. 3/8 inch plywood would be a better choice more for the durability than anything else. Also it is easier to work with. take my advice do not use waferboard. You will be very glad you did not.
                                                                                                                                                                                                   Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                   Kalsipell, MT


                                                                                                                                                                                  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <ecphora123@...> wrote :

                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm using, cheaper than plywood,  1/2 inch wafer board topped with a 2 inch thick sheet of insulation board. Atop that, my roadbed is made from 1/2 inch thick Armstrong no pattern or plain ceiling tile which is easily cut with a utility knife. It sands easily with a drywall sanding sponge. I actually use the type of knife that has snap off blades as I extend several blades out to accommodate the thickness of the tile when cut at a 30 degree bevel. 30 degrees is more prototypical than the 45 used on precut Homabed. I cut a scrap piece of pine at the proper angle so I can slide it along the cut line keeping the blade at the proper angle as I make each strip of roadbed.

                                                                                                                                                                                   I decided on the ceiling tile as that was recommended by Dennis Brennan in his book on Realistic Toy Train Layouts. I'm told that Roy Hoffman has also used it as well with no problem. I then paint the roadbed with a medium gray latex to seal it before gluing down ties. Also, the tile roadbed is glued down with latex caulk which holds it down quite well.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Two inch thick insulation board was used as I needed the ability to carve in it to create creeks, streams and even a water front scene on my Delmarva and Tidewater RR.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Gene Cimino
                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76801 From: pickycat95 Date: 10/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Ace trucks

                                                                                                                                                                                  I pretty much agree with Dan's assessment of Ace Trucks.  They're still my favorite from a mechanical point of view when equipped with the delrin bearings even if they lack some finer detail of newer trucks (raised lettering for example).  Because I'm more of a scale guy the only issue has been axle side play because frame spacing is made to accommodate hirail wheels.  Therefore I started inserting brass washers on the ends of the axles before assembly.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Ben Trousdale

                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76802 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Ace trucks

                                                                                                                                                                                  The trucks I bought were as made in the fifties and in "kit" form.  There were no modern bushings with these.  They reminded me of most of the HO cast metal trucks of the era.  It was all we had then, but wouldn't "cut it" today with better stuff available right out of the box.


                                                                                                                                                                                  I have no doubt that well assembled Ace trucks with modern bushings are just fine.  Ace are nicely made for the era they were designed and heavy enough to assure good tracking, especially for very light cars.  Having grown up with cast metal steam locomotive kits that required many hours of preparation, tedious assembly, and hours of break in running with valve grinding compound, then chrome polish, and finally good oil to make them run well, I tried everything I knew with my Ace trucks but still couldn't match the "out of the box" performance of SHS or AM trucks.


                                                                                                                                                                                  Considering that today the skills required to build metal stuff have all but disappeared, and that there is no cost reason to use Ace over more modern products (they cost me more than SHS in 2004) I just can't recommend them universally.  The exception to that would be experienced modelers who have the skills and desire to use them. 


                                                                                                                                                                                  Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76803 From: mike.hayes12 Date: 10/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Ace trucks
                                                                                                                                                                                    I've also found that the K-line trucks of their 3/16 effort are just plain wonderful.  They roll great, have slightly smaller flanges, are sprung, and look super.  They often require some cutting, shimming, or drilling to fit, but it takes just a few minutes to do.  I often find them at train shows. Marx and 027 folks love the cars, but hate the trucks.  Great for us.  
                                                                                                                                                                                     Those trucks also run fine on my Bob Peare flexible brass rail and through Peare and true scale switches of various sizes, one of which must be a number 8 or 10 turnout-- it is long.  But that's another thread, sorry.  Mike Hayes   
                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76804 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/8/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Layout construction and roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                  Regards "wafer board".... a better name would be oriented strand board = OSB....THIS PRODUCT IS USED IN MOST COMMERCIAL AND HOME CONSTRUCTION FOR EXTERIOR ROOFING, WALLS AND IN THICKER FORMATS FOR FLOORS, PARTITIONS AND OTHER USES. This product is made from recycled wuud chips saturated with waterproof glue and under pressure cured...very stable in moist/wet environments until finish surfaces, such as, roofing shingles, decorative siding and synthetic stucco is applied as finish. OSB as often used in siding,and roof sheathing is often found in thickness of 7/16" (1/2" nominal) plenty strong for 12-16" span for subroadbed between supports/risers....not maybe enough for a 300# man to stand on,but fine for a hand supporting onself working on layout. OSB for roofing and siding use has a rubberized uniform coating on one side to provide some traction on slanted roofs and additional protection from shoaking rains while structure is under construction.


                                                                                                                                                                                  OSB is a bit "softer" than plywood when using excessive force nailing or overdriving screws, and does not have the same pull through/ripout resistance as same thickness of plywood and is inferior to exterior grade plywood in impact/puncture and shear strength (such as might be found during hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes )....also OSB is often used in laminated high strength beams and web in truss type girders.


                                                                                                                                                                                  It is much easier to work with and easily cut to complex shapes, glues well with construction adhesive and can be stapled....for layouts it is a great material. And with a layer of high density construction foamboard makes a great base (guiet, strong, and water resistant) and easily modified, contoured, and superb foorscenery applications such as rock molds, planting trees, rivers, streams, lakes etc.


                                                                                                                                                                                  I have not tried ceiling tile as roadbed, but would be much easier to work, carve, shape than 1/2" Homosote which is sometimes impossible to find and is very dusty and difficult to cut (4x8 sheet) ....so I can't wait to see some pics of how this will all look with scenery, track and rolling stock


                                                                                                                                                                                  S gaugingly yours. Peter Loeb








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                                                                                                                                                                                  On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 2:00 PM PDT danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                  >Cheaper is not better. There is no way in you-know-how that I would even consider using waferboard. It is only slightly better than particle board. In addition to the possibility of it disintegrating if it gets wet it is very heavy and not easily bent. I wouldn't even use it for scenery. 3/8 inch plywood would be a better choice more for the durability than anything else. Also it is easier to work with. take my advice do not use waferboard. You will be very glad you did not.
                                                                                                                                                                                  > Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                  > Kalsipell, MT
                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                  >---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <ecphora123@...> wrote :
                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                  > I'm using, cheaper than plywood, 1/2 inch wafer board topped with a 2 inch thick sheet of insulation board. Atop that, my roadbed is made from 1/2 inch thick Armstrong no pattern or plain ceiling tile which is easily cut with a utility knife. It sands easily with a drywall sanding sponge. I actually use the type of knife that has snap off blades as I extend several blades out to accommodate the thickness of the tile when cut at a 30 degree bevel. 30 degrees is more prototypical than the 45 used on precut Homabed. I cut a scrap piece of pine at the proper angle so I can slide it along the cut line keeping the blade at the proper angle as I make each strip of roadbed.
                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                  > I decided on the ceiling tile as that was recommended by Dennis Brennan in his book on Realistic Toy Train Layouts. I'm told that Roy Hoffman has also used it as well with no problem. I then paint the roadbed with a medium gray latex to seal it before gluing down ties. Also, the tile roadbed is glued down with latex caulk which holds it down quite well.
                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                  >Two inch thick insulation board was used as I needed the ability to carve in it to create creeks, streams and even a water front scene on my Delmarva and Tidewater RR.
                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                  >Gene Cimino
                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76805 From: kempfam Date: 10/8/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                  Beware of ballast.  Sound increases significantly.  I used a water and white glue mixture.  I can't attest to white glue and matte medium concoction but believe it to be quieter.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Ron Kemp




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                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76806 From: UNLV666@... Date: 10/8/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Converting Flyonel to Kadee
                                                                                                                                                                                  I have converted S Helper, MTH, and American Models rolling stock to Kaydee Couplers [802].
                                                                                                                                                                                  Does anyone know a source of couplers for Lionel rolling stock?
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                  Joe
                                                                                                                                                                                  NH
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76807 From: pickycat95 Date: 10/8/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Ace trucks

                                                                                                                                                                                  Even with the plastic bearings Ace trucks never rolled as freely as those from AM, SHS/MTH or others with pointed axle ends.  The newer plastic bearings did provide a big decrease in bearing friction over the old brass bearings.  It's hard to find Ace trucks now because they haven't been made for sale for quite a few years.  Iron Rail models made some for their cars when they were still in business making tank cars from the old Downs/Ace tank car product line.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Ben Trousdale

                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76808 From: traindavid Date: 10/8/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Subroadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                  I was reading all these ideas and it just occurred to me that the "big idea"
                                                                                                                                                                                  is to isolate the track from the "table top" to avoid the soundboard effect.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Hmm, what about modifying the table top to reduce that effect? In other
                                                                                                                                                                                  words, glue some sound deadening to the underside of the top; I would think
                                                                                                                                                                                  the "fingered foam" usually sold as a bed mattress pad would work well for
                                                                                                                                                                                  this.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Any thoughts??
                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76809 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 10/8/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Converting Flyonel to Kadee
                                                                                                                                                                                  The easiest way for me is to just construct mounting pads for the Kadee couplers. it's not too hard. Just some sheet plastic a bit of epoxy and done. You then drill the sheet plastic to accommodate the screws that come with the couplers.
                                                                                                                                                                                               Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                               Kalsipell, MT
                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76810 From: reefma_99 Date: 10/8/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Converting Flyonel to Kadee
                                                                                                                                                                                  Bob,
                                                                                                                                                                                  Do you have any pictures of this conversion from the underside of the cars? 
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                  On 10/08/15, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  The easiest way for me is to just construct mounting pads for the Kadee couplers. it's not too hard. Just some sheet plastic a bit of epoxy and done. You then drill the sheet plastic to accommodate the screws that come with the couplers.
                                                                                                                                                                                               Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                               Kalsipell, MT

                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76811 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/8/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Subroadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                  Dave:
                                                                                                                                                                                  This is exactly the question I asked about 5 days ago - I have one section of the layout that is quite noisy!!  Although the grandchildren don't seem to mind!!
                                                                                                                                                                                  regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                  Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

                                                                                                                                                                                  On 10/8/2015 18:38, djdewey@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  I was reading all these ideas and it just occurred to me that the "big idea"
                                                                                                                                                                                  is to isolate the track from the "table top" to avoid the soundboard effect.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Hmm, what about modifying the table top to reduce that effect? In other
                                                                                                                                                                                  words, glue some sound deadening to the underside of the top; I would think
                                                                                                                                                                                  the "fingered foam" usually sold as a bed mattress pad would work well for
                                                                                                                                                                                  this.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Any thoughts??


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                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76812 From: pickycat95 Date: 10/8/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Converting Flyonel to Kadee

                                                                                                                                                                                  Joe,

                                                                                                                                                                                  In the bad old days Ace made conversion parts to convert AF to more scale-like mode.  They made bolsters for tank, flat, hopper and gondola cars and replacement floors for box cars and reefers.  The main issue installing Kadee 802s on Flyer/Flyonel is the coupler mounting height.  A spacer or shim needs to be installed between the floor bottom and the coupler box because the floor bottoms are typically way too high off of rail head.  Lionel offers(ed) such spacers for their cylindrical hoppers.  Because they are so stubby they look terrible between the coupler and car floor.  You can easily use plastic bar stock of the right thickness and width to make your own shims.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Ben Trousdale

                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76813 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/8/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                  Hi all....here is the essence of quiter operation....isolate, absorb, and never use white, Elmer's, yellow wood type glues....why? The glue is great for gluing wood etc. but terrible when used (thined out) as balast glue...easy yes, low cost yes, sound absorbing NO. White/yellow wood glues dry very hard and therefore transmit, reflect and do not absorb sound. Matt medium, on the other hand dries "flexible" is acrylic based (rubber like) and does absorb sound and interfere with sound transmission, in addition it is MATT not shiny and is visually much better. Yes it is more expensive than the wood glues,can sometimes get a good price at places like Michales with 40% off coupon and buying a quart size. Dilute with distilled water by 1 to 1, that is quart of glue, quart of dist. water, add a few small drops of detergent and/or alcohol for dispersant (cuts surface tension). The dish soap may cause some foaming...but is not a big problem.


                                                                                                                                                                                  In addition for best isolation all sub roadbed/foam board/roadbed should be glued with acrylic type glues,sealants,construction adhesives...watch for comparability with plastic foams...most of the acrylic based stuff is thinable, spreadable, cleaned with water. Also acrylic caulk (lowest cost types) are great coatings for all landscaping, come in a variety of colors.. White, gray, browns, black...and are easily mixed, thined with water by a rubber gloved hand...this is an excellent way to seal surfaces for other scenery applications and is also sound deadening.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Acrylic caulk, sealants, house paint, and tube (artist) paints can all be used together, mixed together etc.
                                                                                                                                                                                  The advantage is cost, ease of use/clean-up, readily available, often at substantial discounts, greater as adhesives, binding agent...such as scenery foams, ballast etc. and dries waterproof, sound absorbing, and as matt medium, virtually invisible.


                                                                                                                                                                                  The white and yellow wood glues always dry hard as a rock, shiny, and may turn soft with exposure to water.


                                                                                                                                                                                  If you really want quiet use urethane, acrylic, or solvent based construction adhesives in layout supports, framing, subroadbed, and roadbed. Glue balast with acrylic based(matt medium) type products. In addition varying material types is also good to interrupt sound transmission....oh well, always have fun, and what the heck...try anything you might discover some "better" way to go!


                                                                                                                                                                                  S gaugingly yours, Peter Loeb




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                                                                                                                                                                                  On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 4:00 AM PDT kempfam kempfam@... [S-Trains] wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                  >Beware of ballast.  Sound increases significantly.  I used a water and white glue mixture.  I can't attest to white glue and matte medium concoction but believe it to be quieter.
                                                                                                                                                                                  >Ron Kemp
                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                  >Sent from Samsung tablet
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76815 From: UNLV666@... Date: 10/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: Re: Converting Flyonel to Kadee
                                                                                                                                                                                    Hello Bob:
                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks for the tip.
                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                    Joe
                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                    In a message dated 10/8/2015 3:14:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                    The easiest way for me is to just construct mounting pads for the Kadee couplers. it's not too hard. Just some sheet plastic a bit of epoxy and done. You then drill the sheet plastic to accommodate the screws that come with the couplers.
                                                                                                                                                                                                 Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                 Kalsipell, MT

                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76816 From: Scubadoo22 Date: 10/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                    I have a 1 x 4 framed layout with 1/2" plywood on top .  Has anyone tried spray insulation from the red can stuff at the big box store to fill the cavities in the frame work?  It should reduce the drum affect.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Doug

                                                                                                                                                                                    Sent from my iPhone

                                                                                                                                                                                    On Oct 8, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Dr Trains dtrains@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                     



                                                                                                                                                                                    Hi all....here is the essence of quiter operation....isolate, absorb, and never use white, Elmer's, yellow wood type glues....why? The glue is great for gluing wood etc. but terrible when used (thined out) as balast glue...easy yes, low cost yes, sound absorbing NO. White/yellow wood glues dry very hard and therefore transmit, reflect and do not absorb sound. Matt medium, on the other hand dries "flexible" is acrylic based (rubber like) and does absorb sound and interfere with sound transmission, in addition it is MATT not shiny and is visually much better. Yes it is more expensive than the wood glues,can sometimes get a good price at places like Michales with 40% off coupon and buying a quart size. Dilute with distilled water by 1 to 1, that is quart of glue, quart of dist. water, add a few small drops of detergent and/or alcohol for dispersant (cuts surface tension). The dish soap may cause some foaming...but is not a big problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                    In addition for best isolation all sub roadbed/foam board/roadbed should be glued with acrylic type glues,sealants,construction adhesives...watch for comparability with plastic foams...most of the acrylic based stuff is thinable, spreadable, cleaned with water. Also acrylic caulk (lowest cost types) are great coatings for all landscaping, come in a variety of colors.. White, gray, browns, black...and are easily mixed, thined with water by a rubber gloved hand...this is an excellent way to seal surfaces for other scenery applications and is also sound deadening.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Acrylic caulk, sealants, house paint, and tube (artist) paints can all be used together, mixed together etc.
                                                                                                                                                                                    The advantage is cost, ease of use/clean-up, readily available, often at substantial discounts, greater as adhesives, binding agent...such as scenery foams, ballast etc. and dries waterproof, sound absorbing, and as matt medium, virtually invisible.

                                                                                                                                                                                    The white and yellow wood glues always dry hard as a rock, shiny, and may turn soft with exposure to water.

                                                                                                                                                                                    If you really want quiet use urethane, acrylic, or solvent based construction adhesives in layout supports, framing, subroadbed, and roadbed. Glue balast with acrylic based(matt medium) type products. In addition varying material types is also good to interrupt sound transmission....oh well, always have fun, and what the heck...try anything you might discover some "better" way to go!

                                                                                                                                                                                    S gaugingly yours, Peter Loeb

                                                                                                                                                                                    ------------------------------
                                                                                                                                                                                    On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 4:00 AM PDT kempfam kempfam@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                    >Beware of ballast.  Sound increases significantly.  I used a water and white glue mixture.  I can't attest to white glue and matte medium concoction but believe it to be quieter.
                                                                                                                                                                                    >Ron Kemp
                                                                                                                                                                                    >
                                                                                                                                                                                    >
                                                                                                                                                                                    >
                                                                                                                                                                                    >
                                                                                                                                                                                    >Sent from Samsung tablet

                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76817 From: UNLV666@... Date: 10/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: Re: Converting Flyonel to Kadee
                                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks for the comments, Ben. It appears that there needs to be some creative construction work to make the conversion, rather than the more simple 802 replacement approach. I wonder why?
                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                    Joe
                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                    In a message dated 10/8/2015 6:40:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                    Joe,

                                                                                                                                                                                    In the bad old days Ace made conversion parts to convert AF to more scale-like mode.  They made bolsters for tank, flat, hopper and gondola cars and replacement floors for box cars and reefers.  The main issue installing Kadee 802s on Flyer/Flyonel is the coupler mounting height.  A spacer or shim needs to be installed between the floor bottom and the coupler box because the floor bottoms are typically way too high off of rail head.  Lionel offers(ed) such spacers for their cylindrical hoppers.  Because they are so stubby they look terrible between the coupler and car floor.  You can easily use plastic bar stock of the right thickness and width to make your own shims.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Ben Trousdale

                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76818 From: pickycat95 Date: 10/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: Re: Converting Flyonel to Kadee

                                                                                                                                                                                    Joe,

                                                                                                                                                                                    You will still want to use 802s mounted to the shims.  The SHS/MTH, AM, SSA and others that were not designed to use Flyer/Flyonel trucks have coupler mounting pads or car body floors at the correct height.  The Ace conversion bolters also included the pad.  Bod is correct is that all it takes is some plastic sheet - really bar - stock and attach to the car floor.  I'd try to use screws because I'm not sure I'd trust the epoxy in all cases when attaching to metal.  You can use the extra screws that come with the Kadees if the pads are oversized or see if the longer screws will reach through the mounting pad to the car floor.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Ben Trousdale

                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76819 From: Michael Fox Date: 10/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                    There was an article by a modeller in a Kalmbach publication- a standalone issue, not MRR-  a couple of years ago who reported on his analysis of the sound dampening properties of various roadbed materials and combinations of them. 

                                                                                                                                                                                    If I recall correctly these included cork, homosote, felt, foam and others. Also touched on adhesives for the roadbed and to secure ballast.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Based on his findings, I'm using cork over a closed cell foam used under pickup toppers (available at Home Depot). 

                                                                                                                                                                                    We shall see.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Michael Fox


                                                                                                                                                                                    Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


                                                                                                                                                                                    -------- Original message --------
                                                                                                                                                                                    From: "Scubadoo22 scubadoo22@... [S-Trains]"
                                                                                                                                                                                    Date:10/09/2015 7:12 AM (GMT-06:00)
                                                                                                                                                                                    To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: sub-roadbed

                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                    I have a 1 x 4 framed layout with 1/2" plywood on top .  Has anyone tried spray insulation from the red can stuff at the big box store to fill the cavities in the frame work?  It should reduce the drum affect.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Doug

                                                                                                                                                                                    Sent from my iPhone

                                                                                                                                                                                    On Oct 8, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Dr Trains dtrains@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                     



                                                                                                                                                                                    Hi all....here is the essence of quiter operation....isolate, absorb, and never use white, Elmer's, yellow wood type glues....why? The glue is great for gluing wood etc. but terrible when used (thined out) as balast glue...easy yes, low cost yes, sound absorbing NO. White/yellow wood glues dry very hard and therefore transmit, reflect and do not absorb sound. Matt medium, on the other hand dries "flexible" is acrylic based (rubber like) and does absorb sound and interfere with sound transmission, in addition it is MATT not shiny and is visually much better. Yes it is more expensive than the wood glues,can sometimes get a good price at places like Michales with 40% off coupon and buying a quart size. Dilute with distilled water by 1 to 1, that is quart of glue, quart of dist. water, add a few small drops of detergent and/or alcohol for dispersant (cuts surface tension). The dish soap may cause some foaming...but is not a big problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                    In addition for best isolation all sub roadbed/foam board/roadbed should be glued with acrylic type glues,sealants,construction adhesives...watch for comparability with plastic foams...most of the acrylic based stuff is thinable, spreadable, cleaned with water. Also acrylic caulk (lowest cost types) are great coatings for all landscaping, come in a variety of colors.. White, gray, browns, black...and are easily mixed, thined with water by a rubber gloved hand...this is an excellent way to seal surfaces for other scenery applications and is also sound deadening.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Acrylic caulk, sealants, house paint, and tube (artist) paints can all be used together, mixed together etc.
                                                                                                                                                                                    The advantage is cost, ease of use/clean-up, readily available, often at substantial discounts, greater as adhesives, binding agent...such as scenery foams, ballast etc. and dries waterproof, sound absorbing, and as matt medium, virtually invisible.

                                                                                                                                                                                    The white and yellow wood glues always dry hard as a rock, shiny, and may turn soft with exposure to water.

                                                                                                                                                                                    If you really want quiet use urethane, acrylic, or solvent based construction adhesives in layout supports, framing, subroadbed, and roadbed. Glue balast with acrylic based(matt medium) type products. In addition varying material types is also good to interrupt sound transmission....oh well, always have fun, and what the heck...try anything you might discover some "better" way to go!

                                                                                                                                                                                    S gaugingly yours, Peter Loeb

                                                                                                                                                                                    ------------------------------
                                                                                                                                                                                    On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 4:00 AM PDT kempfam kempfam@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                    >Beware of ballast.  Sound increases significantly.  I used a water and white glue mixture.  I can't attest to white glue and matte medium concoction but believe it to be quieter.
                                                                                                                                                                                    >Ron Kemp
                                                                                                                                                                                    >
                                                                                                                                                                                    >
                                                                                                                                                                                    >
                                                                                                                                                                                    >
                                                                                                                                                                                    >Sent from Samsung tablet

                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76820 From: George Cohn Date: 10/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                    Has everyone forgotten the rubber roadbed AF and Johnson made? It went
                                                                                                                                                                                    a long way in cutting down noise and one tip, don't nail the track down
                                                                                                                                                                                    through the ties when using rubber roadbed.


                                                                                                                                                                                    Instead, nail through the edge of the roadbed and just let it hold the
                                                                                                                                                                                    track in place.


                                                                                                                                                                                    That was how the original display that I have had the track mounted.


                                                                                                                                                                                    George Cohn
                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76821 From: UNLV666@... Date: 10/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: Re: Converting Flyonel to Kadee
                                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks, Ben. Great tips; I will try what you suggest.
                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                    Joe
                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                    In a message dated 10/9/2015 11:50:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                    Joe,

                                                                                                                                                                                    You will still want to use 802s mounted to the shims.  The SHS/MTH, AM, SSA and others that were not designed to use Flyer/Flyonel trucks have coupler mounting pads or car body floors at the correct height.  The Ace conversion bolters also included the pad.  Bod is correct is that all it takes is some plastic sheet - really bar - stock and attach to the car floor.  I'd try to use screws because I'm not sure I'd trust the epoxy in all cases when attaching to metal.  You can use the extra screws that come with the Kadees if the pads are oversized or see if the longer screws will reach through the mounting pad to the car floor.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Ben Trousdale

                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76822 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
                                                                                                                                                                                    A little more on sound control.....various types of spray on foam can help with sound promulgation, one of the old school stage craft tricks is to use a felt strip, such as available in various widths and thicknesses for weather striping at doors and windows, usually comes in rolls and usually in 1/8"-1/4" thickness, can be fastened with tacks, staples or adhesives...I like to use double sided carpet tape cut to fit, this eliminates any possibility of sound migration through metal tacks or staples, and allows for remova!. This felt strip would be placed in-between sheathing and framing, and if strength/stability is necessary, screwed together. Felt can/ should be used as a sound damper between any wood or metal wall connections for layout support/framing. I think felt is the only way to go, you can also utilize felt pads available in craft stores/Walmart etc. And thin foam padding (floor underpayment), or double stick (thin) foam tape. If you need to
                                                                                                                                                                                    glue directly, for structural strengrh use a urethane construction adhesive such as Gorilla glue (moisture/water activated)..it will foam up a bit..or a silicone sealant. Both of these have sound absorbing qualities and stay slightly flexible, which aids in isolating vibrations (drum effect).


                                                                                                                                                                                    As mentioned before, changing types and thicknesses of materials such as framing, sub roadbed, foam board, etc also intfeers with sound resonance, so that combined with dampening of noise transmission at walls, floors, framing,and any sheathing (sub roadbed), along with sound deadenig roadbed, track and ballast applications (no hard drying glues or adhesives)...should result in a reasonably quiet layout.


                                                                                                                                                                                    For you AF enthusiasts ...you have it made for track...rubber roadbed is the best, as long as you do not nail through ties into subroadbed, use double stick carpet tape cut in thin (1/4" wide) strips along outside edges of rubber roadbed, for switches use a laytex caulk (color to suit),carefully applied in a 1/8" bead around bottom perimeter edge, gently push evenly down, avoid pushing all of caulk out, so that a thin layer remains between layout and switch base...same for crossing etc. Advantage it that dried caulk still can be completely removed from plastic base with no damage, if still fresh, easily moved adjusted and cleaned up with water. You can use long thin flat head screws to very gently pull down on switch to provide fine control over setting switch in thin, uniform layer of caulk, gentel adjustments from either end of switch, (this is dependent on a flat clean surface under switch), once caulk is set (24+hours) you can remove screws.


                                                                                                                                                                                    One word of caution..do not use urethane/silicone based glues, adhesives,caulk/sealant on swiches etc. These type of materials are more or less permanent and will not come off switches, rubber roadbed etc.


                                                                                                                                                                                    S gaugingly yours, Peter Loeb
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                                                                                                                                                                                    On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 5:12 AM PDT Scubadoo22 scubadoo22@... [S-Trains] wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                    >I have a 1 x 4 framed layout with 1/2" plywood on top . Has anyone tried spray insulation from the red can stuff at the big box store to fill the cavities in the frame work? It should reduce the drum affect.
                                                                                                                                                                                    >Doug
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                                                                                                                                                                                    >Sent from my iPhone
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                                                                                                                                                                                    >> On Oct 8, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Dr Trains dtrains@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                    >>
                                                                                                                                                                                    >>
                                                                                                                                                                                    >>
                                                                                                                                                                                    >> Hi all....here is the essence of quiter operation....isolate, absorb, and never use white, Elmer's, yellow wood type glues....why? The glue is great for gluing wood etc. but terrible when used (thined out) as balast glue...easy yes, low cost yes, sound absorbing NO. White/yellow wood glues dry very hard and therefore transmit, reflect and do not absorb sound. Matt medium, on the other hand dries "flexible" is acrylic based (rubber like) and does absorb sound and interfere with sound transmission, in addition it is MATT not shiny and is visually much better. Yes it is more expensive than the wood glues,can sometimes get a good price at places like Michales with 40% off coupon and buying a quart size. Dilute with distilled water by 1 to 1, that is quart of glue, quart of dist. water, add a few small drops of detergent and/or alcohol for dispersant (cuts surface tension). The dish soap may cause some foaming...but is not a big problem.
                                                                                                                                                                                    >>
                                                                                                                                                                                    >> In addition for best isolation all sub roadbed/foam board/roadbed should be glued with acrylic type glues,sealants,construction adhesives...watch for comparability with plastic foams...most of the acrylic based stuff is thinable, spreadable, cleaned with water. Also acrylic caulk (lowest cost types) are great coatings for all landscaping, come in a variety of colors.. White, gray, browns, black...and are easily mixed, thined with water by a rubber gloved hand...this is an excellent way to seal surfaces for other scenery applications and is also sound deadening.
                                                                                                                                                                                    >>
                                                                                                                                                                                    >> Acrylic caulk, sealants, house paint, and tube (artist) paints can all be used together, mixed together etc.
                                                                                                                                                                                    >> The advantage is cost, ease of use/clean-up, readily available, often at substantial discounts, greater as adhesives, binding agent...such as scenery foams, ballast etc. and dries waterproof, sound absorbing, and as matt medium, virtually invisible.
                                                                                                                                                                                    >>
                                                                                                                                                                                    >> The white and yellow wood glues always dry hard as a rock, shiny, and may turn soft with exposure to water.
                                                                                                                                                                                    >>
                                                                                                                                                                                    >> If you really want quiet use urethane, acrylic, or solvent based construction adhesives in layout supports, framing, subroadbed, and roadbed. Glue balast with acrylic based(matt medium) type products. In addition varying material types is also good to interrupt sound transmission....oh well, always have fun, and what the heck...try anything you might discover some "better" way to go!
                                                                                                                                                                                    >>
                                                                                                                                                                                    >> S gaugingly yours, Peter Loeb
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                                                                                                                                                                                    >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 4:00 AM PDT kempfam kempfam@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                    >>
                                                                                                                                                                                    >> >Beware of ballast. Sound increases significantly. I used a water and white glue mixture. I can't attest to white glue and matte medium concoction but believe it to be quieter.
                                                                                                                                                                                    >> >Ron Kemp
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76823 From: poniaj Date: 10/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: Re: sub-roadbed
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                                                                                                                                                                                    And that's how I mounted the track on a small portable layout I have.  Built with 1 x 3's and topped with 5/16" plywood for portability.  Since it's only 2" above the floor, it doesn't need to be built for me to walk on.  ;>)

                                                                                                                                                                                    Jerry
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76824 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 10/10/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: Polart Express compatability.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Lionel makes our lives worse all the time.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I bought the RC  Ring Engineering system because I did not want to have to run the Lionel AC system and a DC DCC sytem as well.

                                                                                                                                                                                    It looks to me that the Polar Express AF set is radio control. So I was wondering if it could run on DCC power.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't have my Ring System up here in Delaware to see if there is a conflict in signals.

                                                                                                                                                                                    So do I need to get a bigger power unit to replace the small unit they included in the set.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I did not want to call Lionel and have them send me something I don't need.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks

                                                                                                                                                                                    Jim Sleeth
                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76825 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/10/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: SHS Track
                                                                                                                                                                                    Hi all:
                                                                                                                                                                                    Does anyone have one piece of 5" SHS (or MTH?) straight track that I
                                                                                                                                                                                    could buy? I have a major problem at the throat of a small yard (that's
                                                                                                                                                                                    all I can have - small yard, that is) can be solved with a 5" piece of
                                                                                                                                                                                    track. I could cut one 10" piece that I have, but that ruins that one
                                                                                                                                                                                    (to some extent) or I could use an accessory track that I have, but I
                                                                                                                                                                                    need the latter at another point in the yard so I can dump some coal.
                                                                                                                                                                                    In any event, if anyone has a piece that they could send me, I would pay
                                                                                                                                                                                    for it and postage to Norway.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Please contact me off line.
                                                                                                                                                                                    thanks
                                                                                                                                                                                    Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)


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                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76826 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/10/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 11 October 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                    Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                                      "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                                      When
                                                                                                                                                                                      Sunday, 11 October 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                      05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                      (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                      Where
                                                                                                                                                                                      http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                      SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76827 From: myflyertrains Date: 10/10/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: MyFlyerTrains.org Website is down...

                                                                                                                                                                                      Hello,


                                                                                                                                                                                      For the last day or so MyFlyerTrains.org has been down much of the time. In fact, I can not access it now!


                                                                                                                                                                                      I got this email today from Google:


                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.myflyertrains.org/:Googlebot can't access your site

                                                                                                                                                                                      Over the last 24 hours, Googlebot encountered 14 errors while attempting to connect to your site. Your site's overall connection failure rate is 60.9%. 


                                                                                                                                                                                      So I guess they could access it 39.1 % of the time? Not very good!


                                                                                                                                                                                      I am currently traveling and do not have the capability to do anything beyond waiting and hoping that my Hosting provider gets their act together. Many years ago when I was traveling, the website was down for three days. It was much smaller then and I was able to get a new web host (the current one) and restore the files. The price and space of this new provider made it possible to have all the photo albums and Gilbert Catalogs online.


                                                                                                                                                                                      Many of the low cost providers do not permit photo albums I have found. The website uses nearly 3gb of space currently, Much of it photos or catalogs.


                                                                                                                                                                                      I would ask for patience. You may be able to access the site at times, but at other times you will not be able to connect.


                                                                                                                                                                                      I have opened a ticket with the host, and hope they resolve the problems soon.


                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks for using MyFlyerTrains.org and for your patience!


                                                                                                                                                                                      Best Wishes...

                                                                                                                                                                                      Chuck Harrington

                                                                                                                                                                                      MyFlyerTrains.org



                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76828 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 11 October 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                      Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                                        "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                                        When
                                                                                                                                                                                        Sunday, 11 October 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                        (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                        Where
                                                                                                                                                                                        http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                                        Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                        SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76829 From: beebear Date: 10/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: MyFlyerTrains.org Website is down...

                                                                                                                                                                                        http://myflyertrains.org/

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        Here is the link to the site

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 8:07 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] MyFlyerTrains.org Website is down...

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        Hello,

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        For the last day or so MyFlyerTrains.org has been down much of the time. In fact, I can not access it now!

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        I got this email today from Google:

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.myflyertrains.org/:Googlebot can't access your site

                                                                                                                                                                                        Over the last 24 hours, Googlebot encountered 14 errors while attempting to connect to your site. Your site's overall connection failure rate is 60.9%. 

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        So I guess they could access it 39.1 % of the time? Not very good!

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        I am currently traveling and do not have the capability to do anything beyond waiting and hoping that my Hosting provider gets their act together. Many years ago when I was traveling, the website was down for three days. It was much smaller then and I was able to get a new web host (the current one) and restore the files. The price and space of this new provider made it possible to have all the photo albums and Gilbert Catalogs online.

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        Many of the low cost providers do not permit photo albums I have found. The website uses nearly 3gb of space currently, Much of it photos or catalogs.

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        I would ask for patience. You may be able to access the site at times, but at other times you will not be able to connect.

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        I have opened a ticket with the host, and hope they resolve the problems soon.

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks for using MyFlyerTrains.org and for your patience!

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        Best Wishes...

                                                                                                                                                                                        Chuck Harrington

                                                                                                                                                                                        MyFlyerTrains.org

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                         




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                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76830 From: ejenterp@pacbell.net Date: 10/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: MyFlyerTrains.org Website is down...
                                                                                                                                                                                        I have logged in to the chat. 

                                                                                                                                                                                        Ed Eckert
                                                                                                                                                                                        moderator

                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76831 From: traindavid Date: 10/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Chat site is down
                                                                                                                                                                                        I have been unable to get to the site for the last 45 minutes--can't even
                                                                                                                                                                                        get to login page!
                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh well, maybe next week.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76832 From: snstrains Date: 10/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: SHS Track
                                                                                                                                                                                        Rance,
                                                                                                                                                                                        I have some pieces of AM track that will mate up with your SHS track. I'd be happy to send you a piece at no charge, just pay the shipping.
                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                        Steve
                                                                                                                                                                                        SnS Trains
                                                                                                                                                                                        Boise
                                                                                                                                                                                        In a message dated 10/10/2015 3:25:22 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        Hi all:
                                                                                                                                                                                        Does anyone have one piece of 5" SHS (or MTH?) straight track that I
                                                                                                                                                                                        could buy? I have a major problem at the throat of a small yard (that's
                                                                                                                                                                                        all I can have - small yard, that is) can be solved with a 5" piece of
                                                                                                                                                                                        track. I could cut one 10" piece that I have, but that ruins that one
                                                                                                                                                                                        (to some extent) or I could use an accessory track that I have, but I
                                                                                                                                                                                        need the latter at another point in the yard so I can dump some coal.
                                                                                                                                                                                        In any event, if anyone has a piece that they could send me, I would pay
                                                                                                                                                                                        for it and postage to Norway.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Please contact me off line.
                                                                                                                                                                                        thanks
                                                                                                                                                                                        Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76833 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: SHS Track
                                                                                                                                                                                        Hi Steve:
                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks for the offer.  I have already made a deal with another person for one SHS 5" piece of track, so I really don't need it any longer.  Thanks very much for the offer.
                                                                                                                                                                                        regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                        Rance

                                                                                                                                                                                        On 10/12/2015 05:37, boss31@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        Rance,
                                                                                                                                                                                        I have some pieces of AM track that will mate up with your SHS track. I'd be happy to send you a piece at no charge, just pay the shipping.
                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                        Steve
                                                                                                                                                                                        SnS Trains
                                                                                                                                                                                        Boise
                                                                                                                                                                                        In a message dated 10/10/2015 3:25:22 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        Hi all:
                                                                                                                                                                                        Does anyone have one piece of 5" SHS (or MTH?) straight track that I
                                                                                                                                                                                        could buy? I have a major problem at the throat of a small yard (that's
                                                                                                                                                                                        all I can have - small yard, that is) can be solved with a 5" piece of
                                                                                                                                                                                        track. I could cut one 10" piece that I have, but that ruins that one
                                                                                                                                                                                        (to some extent) or I could use an accessory track that I have, but I
                                                                                                                                                                                        need the latter at another point in the yard so I can dump some coal.
                                                                                                                                                                                        In any event, if anyone has a piece that they could send me, I would pay
                                                                                                                                                                                        for it and postage to Norway.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Please contact me off line.
                                                                                                                                                                                        thanks
                                                                                                                                                                                        Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76834 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: SHS Track
                                                                                                                                                                                        Note to all:
                                                                                                                                                                                        I have arranged to get a 5" SHS track so I won't be needing the piece anymore.  Thank you for all who offered or were going to offer.
                                                                                                                                                                                        regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                        Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)In a message dated 10/10/2015 3:25:22 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        Hi all:
                                                                                                                                                                                        Does anyone have one piece of 5" SHS (or MTH?) straight track that I
                                                                                                                                                                                        could buy? I have a major problem at the throat of a small yard (that's
                                                                                                                                                                                        all I can have - small yard, that is) can be solved with a 5" piece of
                                                                                                                                                                                        track. I could cut one 10" piece that I have, but that ruins that one
                                                                                                                                                                                        (to some extent) or I could use an accessory track that I have, but I
                                                                                                                                                                                        need the latter at another point in the yard so I can dump some coal.
                                                                                                                                                                                        In any event, if anyone has a piece that they could send me, I would pay
                                                                                                                                                                                        for it and postage to Norway.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Please contact me off line.
                                                                                                                                                                                        thanks
                                                                                                                                                                                        Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76835 From: clevelandmodelkits Date: 10/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Larger local clubs out there?

                                                                                                                                                                                         I'm looking to visit some larger clubs out there, see some nice layouts, and talk trains. I'm in Buffalo NY and the club here is pretty small. My girlfriend and I take a lot of mini-trips, both our jobs allow for last minute time off. She's been after me to do more of what I like, so we'll go see some trains. We'll drive up to 8-12 hours, so that's pretty much the Northeastern US. If anyone out there knows of a list of local groups, or would be open to a visitor, please pass along the info..

                                                                                                                                                                                          I also have a pet project: it took a lot of time and effort, but I found the owner of the copyrights/patents for the Cleveland Hobby "C-D" Scale passenger train kits. He's open to re-releasing them using the original plates, making them exactly the same, with the addition of a number to identify it(like #37 of 1000). There were a decent number of fake kits over the years, but anyone who's had the pleasure of building an original knows the quality in them. Here's a link to the original ad: Cleveland Model & Supply Co 1937 Historical Model Plane Railroads Advertising

                                                                                                                                                                                           I am waiting on the owner for newer color photos of the cars. He wasn't sure if they were still in kit form or built, so it'll be a surprise. If anyone would be interested in getting these kits, please reply here: clevelandmodelkits@...

                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76836 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 10/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Larger local clubs out there?
                                                                                                                                                                                        All of the known "S" clubs are listed on the NASG web site:

                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.nasg.org/Clubs/index.htm#states

                                                                                                                                                                                        Also, you could arrange your mini trips around events in some areas. You can view S-related events either by date or by location (i.e. state):

                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.nasg.org/Events/index.htm

                                                                                                                                                                                        Hope this helps,

                                                                                                                                                                                         - Peter.
                                                                                                                                                                                           (NASG webmaster)


                                                                                                                                                                                        On 10/12/2015 9:13 am, clevelandmodelkits@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                         I'm looking to visit some larger clubs out there, see some nice layouts, and talk trains. I'm in Buffalo NY and the club here is pretty small. My girlfriend and I take a lot of mini-trips, both our jobs allow for last minute time off. She's been after me to do more of what I like, so we'll go see some trains. We'll drive up to 8-12 hours, so that's pretty much the Northeastern US. If anyone out there knows of a list of local groups, or would be open to a visitor, please pass along the info..

                                                                                                                                                                                        -- 
                                                                                                                                                                                        Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
                                                                                                                                                                                        Houston, Texas
                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                        My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
                                                                                                                                                                                        My business site: http://fourthray.com/
                                                                                                                                                                                        Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/
                                                                                                                                                                                        NASG site: http://nasg.org/
                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76837 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 10/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Larger local clubs out there?
                                                                                                                                                                                        I know this is far into the future, but a there is an all S Gauge/Scale meet held every May in Ohio.  The annual Spring S-Spree is hosted by several clubs in Ohio and Michigan and next year's venue will be in Cleveland hosted by the Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association.  It's a two day event with clinics, lots of S vendors, and display layouts by the clubs and this should be only a 3-4 hour drive from Buffalo.  The Spree is not yet listed on the CVSGA website, but there you will find other events listed during the next few months where they attend and display their club layouts.  When you are in the area, also look up the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad.  It's a pleasant trip through the Cuyahoga Valley National Park.  The breakfast tours aren't too expensive and the food is pretty good.  

                                                                                                                                                                                        Don't forget the NASG convention in Michigan next year!  I think that's only about 6 hours or so from your location.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Mike A.






                                                                                                                                                                                        From: "clevelandmodelkits@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 10:13 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] Larger local clubs out there?

                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                         I'm looking to visit some larger clubs out there, see some nice layouts, and talk trains. I'm in Buffalo NY and the club here is pretty small. My girlfriend and I take a lot of mini-trips, both our jobs allow for last minute time off. She's been after me to do more of what I like, so we'll go see some trains. We'll drive up to 8-12 hours, so that's pretty much the Northeastern US. If anyone out there knows of a list of local groups, or would be open to a visitor, please pass along the info..
                                                                                                                                                                                          I also have a pet project: it took a lot of time and effort, but I found the owner of the copyrights/patents for the Cleveland Hobby "C-D" Scale passenger train kits. He's open to re-releasing them using the original plates, making them exactly the same, with the addition of a number to identify it(like #37 of 1000). There were a decent number of fake kits over the years, but anyone who's had the pleasure of building an original knows the quality in them. Here's a link to the original ad: Cleveland Model & Supply Co 1937 Historical Model Plane Railroads Advertising
                                                                                                                                                                                           I am waiting on the owner for newer color photos of the cars. He wasn't sure if they were still in kit form or built, so it'll be a surprise. If anyone would be interested in getting these kits, please reply here: clevelandmodelkits@...


                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76838 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 10/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Is the Lionel AF SW wireless?
                                                                                                                                                                                        Was looking at buying Mike's track to get the 30 radius and noted AF 27 radius. So my reason to by Mikes track is not a big deal now. Then I noticed Mikes turn outs are $56 at Trainworld and AF is $90 but not available.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Both are 20 radius.

                                                                                                                                                                                        So if Lionel is wireless does it work on DCC or only Lionels AC system?

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks Jim Sleeth
                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76839 From: Donald Keil Date: 10/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Larger local clubs out there?
                                                                                                                                                                                        If there is a list started for train layout in the north east I would be interested in it. My wife and I will be traveling in the area next year because of out fifty wedding anniversary get away. Plan on seeing all the real and model trains that we can. We are trying to put a list together. Wife use to work at the Round house at Greenfield Village
                                                                                                                                                                                        Donald Keil
                                                                                                                                                                                        President of West Michigan S guagers
                                                                                                                                                                                        dlkeil@...



                                                                                                                                                                                        On Monday, October 12, 2015 12:20 PM, "Mike Andrzejewski mike_a_2001@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                        I know this is far into the future, but a there is an all S Gauge/Scale meet held every May in Ohio.  The annual Spring S-Spree is hosted by several clubs in Ohio and Michigan and next year's venue will be in Cleveland hosted by the Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association.  It's a two day event with clinics, lots of S vendors, and display layouts by the clubs and this should be only a 3-4 hour drive from Buffalo.  The Spree is not yet listed on the CVSGA website, but there you will find other events listed during the next few months where they attend and display their club layouts.  When you are in the area, also look up the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad.  It's a pleasant trip through the Cuyahoga Valley National Park.  The breakfast tours aren't too expensive and the food is pretty good.  

                                                                                                                                                                                        Don't forget the NASG convention in Michigan next year!  I think that's only about 6 hours or so from your location.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Mike A.






                                                                                                                                                                                        From: "clevelandmodelkits@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 10:13 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] Larger local clubs out there?

                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                         I'm looking to visit some larger clubs out there, see some nice layouts, and talk trains. I'm in Buffalo NY and the club here is pretty small. My girlfriend and I take a lot of mini-trips, both our jobs allow for last minute time off. She's been after me to do more of what I like, so we'll go see some trains. We'll drive up to 8-12 hours, so that's pretty much the Northeastern US. If anyone out there knows of a list of local groups, or would be open to a visitor, please pass along the info..
                                                                                                                                                                                          I also have a pet project: it took a lot of time and effort, but I found the owner of the copyrights/patents for the Cleveland Hobby "C-D" Scale passenger train kits. He's open to re-releasing them using the original plates, making them exactly the same, with the addition of a number to identify it(like #37 of 1000). There were a decent number of fake kits over the years, but anyone who's had the pleasure of building an original knows the quality in them. Here's a link to the original ad: Cleveland Model & Supply Co 1937 Historical Model Plane Railroads Advertising
                                                                                                                                                                                           I am waiting on the owner for newer color photos of the cars. He wasn't sure if they were still in kit form or built, so it'll be a surprise. If anyone would be interested in getting these kits, please reply here: clevelandmodelkits@...




                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76840 From: Roy E Jones III Date: 10/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Larger local clubs out there?
                                                                                                                                                                                        To All:  you can add the Nauset Model Railroad Club to multiple scale right of ways to visit. We have a 14 x 34 SScale hirail  layout.  Check our web site for multiple videos of the layout. Half way out on Cape Cod in Orleans.


                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes I am an NASG member!

                                                                                                                                                                                        Roy,

                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent from my iPad

                                                                                                                                                                                        On Oct 12, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Donald Keil dlkeil@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        If there is a list started for train layout in the north east I would be interested in it. My wife and I will be traveling in the area next year because of out fifty wedding anniversary get away. Plan on seeing all the real and model trains that we can. We are trying to put a list together. Wife use to work at the Round house at Greenfield Village
                                                                                                                                                                                        Donald Keil
                                                                                                                                                                                        President of West Michigan S guagers



                                                                                                                                                                                        On Monday, October 12, 2015 12:20 PM, "Mike Andrzejewski mike_a_2001@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                        I know this is far into the future, but a there is an all S Gauge/Scale meet held every May in Ohio.  The annual Spring S-Spree is hosted by several clubs in Ohio and Michigan and next year's venue will be in Cleveland hosted by the Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association.  It's a two day event with clinics, lots of S vendors, and display layouts by the clubs and this should be only a 3-4 hour drive from Buffalo.  The Spree is not yet listed on the CVSGA website, but there you will find other events listed during the next few months where they attend and displ ay their club layouts.  When you are in the area, also look up the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad.  It's a pleasant trip through the Cuyahoga Valley National Park.  The breakfast tours aren't too expensive and the food is pretty good.  

                                                                                                                                                                                        Don't forget the NASG convention in Michigan next year!  I think that's only about 6 hours or so from your location.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Mike A.


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                                                                                                                                                                                        From: "clevelandmodelkits@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 10:13 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] Larger local clubs out there?

                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                         I'm looking to visit some larger clubs out there, see some nice layouts, and talk trains. I'm in Buffalo NY and the club here is pretty small. My girlfriend and I take a lot of mini-trips, both our jobs allow for last minute time off. She's been after me to do more of what I like, so we'll go see some trains. We'll drive up to 8-12 hours, so that's pretty much the Northeastern US. If anyone out there knows of a list of local groups, or would be open to a visitor, please pass along the info..
                                                                                                                                                                                          I also have a pet project: it took a lot of time and effort, but I found the owner of the copyrights/patents for the Cleveland Hobby "C-D" Scale passenger train kits. He's open to re-releasing them using the original plates, making them exactly the same, with the addition of a number to identify it(like #37 of 1000). There were a decent number of fake kits over the years, but anyone who's had the pleasure of building an original knows the quality in them. Here's a link to the original ad: Cleveland Model & Supply Co 1937 Historical Model Plane Railroads Advertising
                                                                                                                                                                                           I am waiting on the owner for newer color photos of the cars. He wasn't sure if they were still in kit form or built, so it'll be a surprise. If anyone would be interested in getting these kits, please reply here: clevelandmodelkits@...




                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76841 From: poniaj Date: 10/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Polart Express compatability.
                                                                                                                                                                                        James,

                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm not a big fan of Lionel's proprietary systems either, but the FlyerChief system simply takes the full 15-18V track power, either AC or DC, and uses it to power the locomotive which is controlled by radio signals.  It requires no additional wiring or special power supply.  The remote supplied with the locomotive only controls that particular locomotive.  A non FlyerChief locomotive will become a rocket with full power, but another FlyerChief locomotive (with a different cab number) will only be controlled with ITS separate controller. 

                                                                                                                                                                                        Admittedly, not a system for everyone, but not as complicated as Lionel's others.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Jerry Poniatowski
                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76842 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 10/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Is the Lionel AF SW wireless?
                                                                                                                                                                                        I believe the 100 dollar turnouts from AF are DCC /Legacy turnouts. I saw manuals in the Hobby shop in PA this weekend for 69. MTH is much nicer than the AF. JUST MY OPINION. Chris


                                                                                                                                                                                        From: "JAMES SLEETH aztecfan@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 5:02 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] Is the Lionel AF SW wireless?

                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                        Was looking at buying Mike's track to get the 30 radius and noted AF 27 radius. So my reason to by Mikes track is not a big deal now. Then I noticed Mikes turn outs are $56 at Trainworld and AF is $90 but not available.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Both are 20 radius.

                                                                                                                                                                                        So if Lionel is wireless does it work on DCC or only Lionels AC system?

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks Jim Sleeth


                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76843 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Polart Express compatability.
                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                                                                                                        From: poniaj@... [S-Trains]
                                                                                                                                                                                        . . . . . the FlyerChief system simply takes the full 15-18V track power, either AC or DC, and uses it to power the locomotive which is controlled by radio signals. . . . . . . A non FlyerChief locomotive will become a rocket with full power,. . . . . .
                                                                                                                                                                                        > > > > > > > > > >
                                                                                                                                                                                        It was explained at our Sunday meeting that the Flyer Chief will also work on TMCC-controlled track, and the TMCC locos will still be controlled thru TMCC.
                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                        tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan
                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76844 From: Bill Clark Date: 10/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Polart Express compatability.
                                                                                                                                                                                        It also will run on a DCC track, still controlled by its own handheld. We still need more testing, but we ran last night on  Lenz system with 16 volts track power, and everything, including a DCC loco, ran fine. We suspect that smoke output is less than on straight AC, but we haven't run on AC yet to compare. 

                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent from my iPhone

                                                                                                                                                                                        On Oct 13, 2015, at 12:50 PM, 'Tom Hawley' t.hawley@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        

                                                                                                                                                                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                                                                                                        From: poniaj@... [S-Trains]
                                                                                                                                                                                        . . . . . the FlyerChief system simply takes the full 15-18V track power, either AC or DC, and uses it to power the locomotive which is controlled by radio signals. . . . . . . A non FlyerChief locomotive will become a rocket with full power,. . . . . .
                                                                                                                                                                                        > > > > > > > > > >
                                                                                                                                                                                        It was explained at our Sunday meeting that the Flyer Chief will also work on TMCC-controlled track, and the TMCC locos will still be controlled thru TMCC.
                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                        tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan

                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76845 From: trainpainter Date: 10/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Can Motor Conversion
                                                                                                                                                                                        I just installed 2 Port Lines can motor conversions along with the Dallee electronic reverse units they sell too. The first went in a 350 4-6-2 that had a lousy motor and a worse stock E-unit. It was a simple installation and the engine purrs like a kitten now. Very slow and smooth in both directions.

                                                                                                                                                                                        The second conversion was a 312 K5 that I use around the Christmas tree every year. This is a tough old engine that has run very smoothly since I bought it in 1975 or '76. I just wanted to replace the worn out E-unit but figured a can motor couldn't hurt either. Installation was easy and after putting everything back together the engine won't go forward even though it tries. In reverse it is jerky and binds up. Before the can motor it ran smooth and slow with the original Flyer motor so I don't think it can be any problem with the engine mechanism. Yes, the can is installed as instructed with "TOP" in the right orientation. I actually don't see why it really makes a difference but I did follow the instruction sheet. I removed the mechanism and removed all the valve gear & drive rods and have it stripped down to just the motor, 3 pairs of drivers, the side rods and the smoke unit drive gear. Removing everything else didn't make it run any better. SO............has anyone experienced a problem like this? Could shims between the cast Flyer frame/mount and the new motor help? I'm at a loss now. What could I have overlooked here?

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks,
                                                                                                                                                                                        Roger Huber


                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76846 From: william lewis Date: 10/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
                                                                                                                                                                                        -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 10/13/15, trainpainter@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 4:16 PM Check to see if the drive wheels are tight or have any side to side play in them. (They need some "play" in the drive wheels. Check to see if the motor is too tight. Check the spacing of the motor shaft (it may need a washer or two) Everything wired correctly? I just installed 2 Port Lines can motor conversions along with the Dallee electronic reverse units they sell too. The first went in a 350 4-6-2 that had a lousy motor and a worse stock E-unit. It was a simple installation and the engine purrs like a kitten now. Very slow and smooth in both directions. The second conversion was a 312 K5 that I use around the Christmas tree every year. This is a tough old engine that has run very smoothly since I bought it in 1975 or '76. I just wanted to replace the worn out E-unit but figured a can motor couldn't hurt either. Installation was easy and after putting everything back together the engine won't go forward even though it tries. In reverse it is jerky and binds up. Before the can motor it ran smooth and slow with the original Flyer motor so I don't think it can be any problem with the engine mechanism. Yes, the can is installed as instructed with "TOP" in the right orientation. I actually don't see why it really makes a difference but I did follow the instruction sheet. I removed the mechanism and removed all the valve gear & drive rods and have it stripped down to just the motor, 3 pairs of drivers, the side rods and the smoke unit drive gear. Removing everything else didn't make it run any better. SO............has anyone experienced a problem like this? Could shims between the cast Flyer frame/mount and the new motor help? I'm at a loss now. What could I have overlooked here? Thanks, Roger Huber #yiv6995096789
                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76847 From: tbennerohio Date: 10/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion

                                                                                                                                                                                        Roger,


                                                                                                                                                                                        I have had this happen many times, especially with the flywheel motors.  It is likely that the worm is binding on the worm gear.  Try loosening the motor mounting screws.  If it gets better (and it should) you may need to enlarge the holes in the mounting plate attached to the motor.  With a little adjusting as you tighten the screws back up you should be able to get it silky smooth.  A few of my can motors have had to be turned so that the TOP marking is on the bottom.


                                                                                                                                                                                        Hope that helps!  it can be frustrating.


                                                                                                                                                                                        Tim Benner

                                                                                                                                                                                        Jackson, MI

                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76848 From: monte_heppe Date: 10/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: AF Oil Drum Loader

                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm looking for the mechanism for an original American Flyer Oil Drum Loader. I want the original induction motor version, not the new can mother drive. contact me off list at monteheppe@...

                                                                                                                                                                                        Monte Heppe

                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76849 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 10/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion

                                                                                                                                                                                        Have you considered that you may have a defective new motor?

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 2:16 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        I just installed 2 Port Lines can motor conversions along with the Dallee electronic reverse units they sell too. The first went in a 350 4-6-2 that had a lousy motor and a worse stock E-unit. It was a simple installation and the engine purrs like a kitten now. Very slow and smooth in both directions.

                                                                                                                                                                                        The second conversion was a 312 K5 that I use around the Christmas tree every year. This is a tough old engine that has run very smoothly since I bought it in 1975 or '76. I just wanted to replace the worn out E-unit but figured a can motor couldn't hurt either. Installation was easy and after putting everything back together the engine won't go forward even though it tries. In reverse it is jerky and binds up. Before the can motor it ran smooth and slow with the original Flyer motor so I don't think it can be any problem with the engine mechanism. Yes, the can is installed as instructed with "TOP" in the right orientation. I actually don't see why it really makes a difference but I did follow the instruction sheet. I removed the mechanism and removed all the valve gear & drive rods and have it stripped down to just the motor, 3 pairs of drivers, the side rods and the smoke unit drive gear. Removing everything else didn't make it run any better. SO............has anyone experienced a problem like this? Could shims between the cast Flyer frame/mount and the new motor help? I'm at a loss now. What could I have overlooked here?

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks,
                                                                                                                                                                                        Roger Huber

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76850 From: snstrains Date: 10/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
                                                                                                                                                                                        Sounds like a gear mis-match. The wear pattern on your two gears don't match the new worm on the can motor. If you have quite a bit of side play in your axle (worm) gear and/or your smoke piston gear, the sharper edges of the can motor worm are probably binding on one or both of them. The original motor and gears wore together over the years, so will always be a match. Sometimes tightening the smoke gear and eliminating the side to side slop in the axle (worm) gear will solve the problem. You didn't specify if it is a 30:1 or standard geared can motor. 
                                                                                                                                                                                        Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                                                                                                        Boise
                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                        In a message dated 10/13/2015 3:41:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        I just installed 2 Port Lines can motor conversions along with the Dallee electronic reverse units they sell too. The first went in a 350 4-6-2 that had a lousy motor and a worse stock E-unit. It was a simple installation and the engine purrs like a kitten now. Very slow and smooth in both directions.

                                                                                                                                                                                        The second conversion was a 312 K5 that I use around the Christmas tree every year. This is a tough old engine that has run very smoothly since I bought it in 1975 or '76. I just wanted to replace the worn out E-unit but figured a can motor couldn't hurt either. Installation was easy and after putting everything back together the engine won't go forward even though it tries. In reverse it is jerky and binds up. Before the can motor it ran smooth and slow with the original Flyer motor so I don't think it can be any problem with the engine mechanism. Yes, the can is installed as instructed with "TOP" in the right orientation. I actually do n't see why it really makes a difference but I did follow the instruction sheet. I removed the mechanism and removed all the valve gear & drive rods and have it stripped down to just the motor, 3 pairs of drivers, the side rods and the smoke unit drive gear. Removing everything else didn't make it run any better. SO............has anyone experienced a problem like this? Could shims between the cast Flyer frame/mount and the new motor help? I'm at a loss now. What could I have overlooked here?

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks,
                                                                                                                                                                                        Roger Huber


                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76851 From: tbennerohio Date: 10/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion

                                                                                                                                                                                        Follow-up...it's been a few years since I remotored my AF fleet.  Did you remove the brass/bronze bushing that supported the front of the AF motor shaft?  On some locos this was the culprit as it forced the new shaft into the work gear.  In these locos I removed the bushing.  Other locos were just fine with the bushing in place.


                                                                                                                                                                                        If you do need to shim, probably just the top of the motor, you may be able to re-use the thrust washers from the old AF motor.


                                                                                                                                                                                        Tim Benner

                                                                                                                                                                                        Jackson, MI

                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76852 From: Roger Huber Date: 10/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
                                                                                                                                                                                        Hi, Guys.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Lots of good suggestions here! many thanks for the help and insight.

                                                                                                                                                                                        This is a plain can motor without flywheel. I don't know what size or number it is. I ran the motor free of the mechanism and it runs smooth as silk. The smoke unit gear seems to have the "normal" slop that is evident in all my other Flyer steamers. Same with the axle. It has about the same side play as all my others. I did not remove the bronze/brass bushing in the frame housing. There was no mention of that in the instructions and I didn't do it on the 350 so that never occurred to me. I may give that a try and see. I just figured having it there might give extra support to the long motor shaft and maybe prevent bearing wear.

                                                                                                                                                                                        How does one tighten the pin/shaft for the smoke unit gear? How would I shim or center the axle gear better? Are there specific limits to those?

                                                                                                                                                                                        The fact that it ran so well prior to "fixing it" is what puzzles me so much. One of those....if it ain't broke don't fix it things? LOL

                                                                                                                                                                                        I may just remove everything and see how it works in my beater 326. Being more partial to Pennsy than NYC I just selected the 312 over the 326. I had planned on converting most of the engines if these worked out as well as I expected. I just run stuff for fun and around the Christmas tree so I'm not worried about retaining 100% authentic equipment. I just want better reliability than those nasty old worn out E-units and was hoping the cans would provide better speed control.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Another question for my expert friends out there........how difficult is it to replace the rivets that hold the tender trucks to the frames? In the process of doing this work I noticed one in each engine was hanging on just by luck!

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks, again, for the great thoughts and suggestions.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Roger Huber


                                                                                                                                                                                        From: "trainpainter@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 4:16 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion

                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                        I just installed 2 Port Lines can motor conversions along with the Dallee electronic reverse units they sell too. The first went in a 350 4-6-2 that had a lousy motor and a worse stock E-unit. It was a simple installation and the engine purrs like a kitten now. Very slow and smooth in both directions.

                                                                                                                                                                                        The second conversion was a 312 K5 that I use around the Christmas tree every year. This is a tough old engine that has run very smoothly since I bought it in 1975 or '76. I just wanted to replace the worn out E-unit but figured a can motor couldn't hurt either. Installation was easy and after putting everything back together the engine won't go forward even though it tries. In reverse it is jerky and binds up. Before the can motor it ran smooth and slow with the original Flyer motor so I don't think it can be any problem with the engine mechanism. Yes, the can is installed as instructed with "TOP" in the right orientation. I actually don't see why it really makes a difference but I did follow the instruction sheet. I removed the mechanism and removed all the valve gear & drive rods and have it stripped down to just the motor, 3 pairs of drivers, the side rods and the smoke unit drive gear. Removing everything else didn't make it run any better. SO............has anyone experienced a problem like this? Could shims between the cast Flyer frame/mount and the new motor help? I'm at a loss now. What could I have overlooked here?

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks,
                                                                                                                                                                                        Roger Huber



                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76853 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 10/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
                                                                                                                                                                                        In addition to other suggestions, if you drop the motor, it does not take much to bend the shaft on the motor. If this happens you need to straighten back up. Not easy, but I have done it. Chris


                                                                                                                                                                                        From: "Roger Huber trainpainter@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 7:33 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion

                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                        Hi, Guys.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Lots of good suggestions here! many thanks for the help and insight.

                                                                                                                                                                                        This is a plain can motor without flywheel. I don't know what size or number it is. I ran the motor free of the mechanism and it runs smooth as silk. The smoke unit gear seems to have the "normal" slop that is evident in all my other Flyer steamers. Same with the axle. It has about the same side play as all my others. I did not remove the bronze/brass bushing in the frame housing. There was no mention of that in the instructions and I didn't do it on the 350 so that never occurred to me. I may give that a try and see. I just figured having it there might give extra support to the long motor shaft and maybe prevent bearing wear.

                                                                                                                                                                                        How does one tighten the pin/shaft for the smoke unit gear? How would I shim or center the axle gear better? Are there specific limits to those?

                                                                                                                                                                                        The fact that it ran so well prior to "fixing it" is what puzzles me so much. One of those....if it ain't broke don't fix it things? LOL

                                                                                                                                                                                        I may just remove everything and see how it works in my beater 326. Being more partial to Pennsy than NYC I just selected the 312 over the 326. I had planned on converting most of the engines if these worked out as well as I expected. I just run stuff for fun and around the Christmas tree so I'm not worried about retaining 100% authentic equipment. I just want better reliability than those nasty old worn out E-units and was hoping the cans would provide better speed control.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Another question for my expert friends out there........how difficult is it to replace the rivets that hold the tender trucks to the frames? In the process of doing this work I noticed one in each engine was hanging on just by luck!

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks, again, for the great thoughts and suggestions.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Roger Huber


                                                                                                                                                                                        From: "trainpainter@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 4:16 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion

                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                        I just installed 2 Port Lines can motor conversions along with the Dallee electronic reverse units they sell too. The first went in a 350 4-6-2 that had a lousy motor and a worse stock E-unit. It was a simple installation and the engine purrs like a kitten now. Very slow and smooth in both directions.

                                                                                                                                                                                        The second conversion was a 312 K5 that I use around the Christmas tree every year. This is a tough old engine that has run very smoothly since I bought it in 1975 or '76. I just wanted to replace the worn out E-unit but figured a can motor couldn't hurt either. Installation was easy and after putting everything back together the engine won't go forward even though it tries. In reverse it is jerky and binds up. Before the can motor it ran smooth and slow with the original Flyer motor so I don't think it can be any problem with the engine mechanism. Yes, the can is installed as instructed with "TOP" in the right orientation. I actually don't see why it really makes a difference but I did follow the instruction sheet. I removed the mechanism and removed all the valve gear & drive rods and have it stripped down to just the motor, 3 pairs of drivers, the side rods and the smoke unit drive gear. Removing everything else didn't make it run any better. SO............has anyone experienced a problem like this? Could shims between the cast Flyer frame/mount and the new motor help? I'm at a loss now. What could I have overlooked here?

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks,
                                                                                                                                                                                        Roger Huber





                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76854 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: AF Oil Drum Loader
                                                                                                                                                                                        Hi, I have a complete original AF oil drum mechanism, with base that I could sell to you, believe it works fine, have to find which case I have it sorted in, if you are serious. Shipping would be at USPS medium size fixed shipping rate/box. Let me know what you think fair market value is, and I will let you know.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Peter Loeb


                                                                                                                                                                                        ------------------------------
                                                                                                                                                                                        On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 2:53 PM PDT monteheppe@... [S-Trains] wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                        >I'm looking for the mechanism for an original American Flyer Oil Drum Loader. I want the original induction motor version, not the new can mother drive. contact me off list at monteheppe@...
                                                                                                                                                                                        > Monte Heppe
                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76855 From: Kyle Date: 10/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion

                                                                                                                                                                                        I too have had this issue on several engines. My solution was to take a drill a few thousands oversize and “Ream” out the bronze bushing by hand.  Apparently there is a tolerance buildup of the perpendicularity of the motor mount face on the chassis and/or the centering of the motor mount screw hole patterns to the bronze bushing on some engines, or on the particular can motor, that binds up the worm shaft when tightened down.  Using numbered drills I have never needed to go more that 2 number sizes larger, normally one number size will do.

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        Kyle Russell

                                                                                                                                                                                        BAAFC 447

                                                                                                                                                                                        NASG 06F0022E

                                                                                                                                                                                        TCA 06-60660

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 5:16 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        I just installed 2 Port Lines can motor conversions along with the Dallee electronic reverse units they sell too. The first went in a 350 4-6-2 that had a lousy motor and a worse stock E-unit. It was a simple installation and the engine purrs like a kitten now. Very slow and smooth in both directions.

                                                                                                                                                                                        The second conversion was a 312 K5 that I use around the Christmas tree every year. This is a tough old engine that has run very smoothly since I bought it in 1975 or '76. I just wanted to replace the worn out E-unit but figured a can motor couldn't hurt either. Installation was easy and after putting everything back together the engine won't go forward even though it tries. In reverse it is jerky and binds up. Before the can motor it ran smooth and slow with the original Flyer motor so I don't think it can be any problem with the engine mechanism. Yes, the can is installed as instructed with "TOP" in the right orientation. I actually don't see why it really makes a difference but I did follow the instruction sheet. I removed the mechanism and removed all the valve gear & drive rods and have it stripped down to just the motor, 3 pairs of drivers, the side rods and the smoke unit drive gear. Removing everything else didn't make it run any better. SO............has anyone experienced a problem like this? Could shims between the cast Flyer frame/mount and the new motor help? I'm at a loss now. What could I have overlooked here?

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks,
                                                                                                                                                                                        Roger Huber

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76856 From: hhisgauger Date: 10/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Selling AF
                                                                                                                                                                                        Does this group allow buying/selling of AF?
                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76857 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
                                                                                                                                                                                        My guess is not a motor problem , possible small metal bits got into motor housing(magnetic attraction) or something changed in your valve gear-siderods setup, or one or more of the drivers is out of quarter. Also the worm shaft may be binding or not properly meshed with spur gear on axle?????


                                                                                                                                                                                        P. Loeb






                                                                                                                                                                                        ------------------------------
                                                                                                                                                                                        On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 2:16 PM PDT trainpainter@... [S-Trains] wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                        >I just installed 2 Port Lines can motor conversions along with the Dallee electronic reverse units they sell too. The first went in a 350 4-6-2 that had a lousy motor and a worse stock E-unit. It was a simple installation and the engine purrs like a kitten now. Very slow and smooth in both directions.
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >The second conversion was a 312 K5 that I use around the Christmas tree every year. This is a tough old engine that has run very smoothly since I bought it in 1975 or '76. I just wanted to replace the worn out E-unit but figured a can motor couldn't hurt either. Installation was easy and after putting everything back together the engine won't go forward even though it tries. In reverse it is jerky and binds up. Before the can motor it ran smooth and slow with the original Flyer motor so I don't think it can be any problem with the engine mechanism. Yes, the can is installed as instructed with "TOP" in the right orientation. I actually don't see why it really makes a difference but I did follow the instruction sheet. I removed the mechanism and removed all the valve gear & drive rods and have it stripped down to just the motor, 3 pairs of drivers, the side rods and the smoke unit drive gear. Removing everything else didn't make it run any better.
                                                                                                                                                                                        SO............has anyone experienced a problem like this? Could shims between the cast Flyer frame/mount and the new motor help? I'm at a loss now. What could I have overlooked here?
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >Thanks,
                                                                                                                                                                                        >Roger Huber
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76858 From: William Lewis Date: 10/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
                                                                                                                                                                                        Some very good tips 


                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® III


                                                                                                                                                                                        -------- Original message --------
                                                                                                                                                                                        From: "'Kyle' kbrussel@... [S-Trains]"
                                                                                                                                                                                        Date:10/13/2015 8:46 PM (GMT-06:00)
                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        I too have had this issue on several engines. My solution was to take a drill a few thousands oversize and “Ream” out the bronze bushing by hand.  Apparently there is a tolerance buildup of the perpendicularity of the motor mount face on the chassis and/or the centering of the motor mount screw hole patterns to the bronze bushing on some engines, or on the particular can motor, that binds up the worm shaft when tightened down.  Using numbered drills I have never needed to go more that 2 number sizes larger, normally one number size will do.

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        Kyle Russell

                                                                                                                                                                                        BAAFC 447

                                                                                                                                                                                        NASG 06F0022E

                                                                                                                                                                                        TCA 06-60660

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 5:16 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        I just installed 2 Port Lines can motor conversions along with the Dallee electronic reverse units they sell too. The first went in a 350 4-6-2 that had a lousy motor and a worse stock E-unit. It was a simple installation and the engine purrs like a kitten now. Very slow and smooth in both directions.

                                                                                                                                                                                        The second conversion was a 312 K5 that I use around the Christmas tree every year. This is a tough old engine that has run very smoothly since I bought it in 1975 or '76. I just wanted to replace the worn out E-unit but figured a can motor couldn't hurt either. Installation was easy and after putting everything back together the engine won't go forward even though it tries. In reverse it is jerky and binds up. Before the can motor it ran smooth and slow with the original Flyer motor so I don't think it can be any problem with the engine mechanism. Yes, the can is installed as instructed with "TOP" in the right orientation. I actually don't see why it really makes a difference but I did follow the instruction sheet. I removed the mechanism and removed all the valve gear & drive rods and have it stripped down to just the motor, 3 pairs of drivers, the side rods and the smoke unit drive gear. Removing everything else didn't make it run any better. SO............has anyone experienced a problem like this? Could shims between the cast Flyer frame/mount and the new motor help? I'm at a loss now. What could I have overlooked here?

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks,
                                                                                                                                                                                        Roger Huber

                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76859 From: wyoaf Date: 10/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Low Productivity at the Coalpile
                                                                                                                                                                                        I recently re-strung the coal bucket clamshell loader on my vintage AF Seaboard Coal tower.  It now works perfectly, except that it alights rather daintily on the coal pile, rather than dropping in with enough authority to actually immerse itself in the coal pile enough to pick up a good load.  It seems to me that the bucket needs more weight to load a meaningful amount of coal each "trip".   My "Coal" is black aquarium gravel and perhaps it is too dense to be displaced by the clamshell bucket.  I would like this Group's advice as to weighting the bucket or selecting an alternative fake coal to enhance operation of this neat old accessory.  Please tell me what works well for you. Thanks, John Davis Noblesville IN


                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76860 From: myflyertrains Date: 10/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: MyFlyerTrains.org is back

                                                                                                                                                                                        Hello,


                                                                                                                                                                                        I just wanted to let everyone know that MyFlyerTrains.org is back at least for now.


                                                                                                                                                                                        My web hosting company suffered a "denial of service attack" during which they were flooded with millions of packets per second which rendered even their own website useless.


                                                                                                                                                                                        For those of you who may have photos at my site, rest assured that everything is backed up.


                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks for using MyFlyerTrains.org!


                                                                                                                                                                                        Chuck Harrington


                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76861 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 10/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Low Productivity at the Coalpile

                                                                                                                                                                                        John,

                                                                                                                                                                                        You might try Woodland Scenics Coal.   It is widely available and comes in various scales/sizes and is made out of ground walnut shells and is somewhat lighter than real rocks.

                                                                                                                                                                                        I think the original Flyer coal was plastic / Bakelite pellets which would be even lighter but more difficult to source.  Perhaps while you are in the pet supplies aisle charcoal meant for water filters might work.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Charlie Vlk

                                                                                                                                                                                        I recently re-strung the coal bucket clamshell loader on my vintage AF Seaboard Coal tower.  It now works perfectly, except that it alights rather daintily on the coal pile, rather than dropping in with enough authority to actually immerse itself in the coal pile enough to pick up a good load.  It seems to me that the bucket needs more weight to load a meaningful amount of coal each "trip".   My "Coal" is black aquarium gravel and perhaps it is too dense to be displaced by the clamshell bucket.  I would like this Group's advice as to weighting the bucket or selecting an alternative fake coal to enhance operation of this neat old accessory.  Please tell me what works well for you. Thanks, John Davis Noblesville IN

                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76862 From: Alan Smith Date: 10/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Low Productivity at the Coalpile
                                                                                                                                                                                         Fellow S gaugers, 

                                                                                                                                                                                        The best coal is from Landscape express -( recycled rubber particles ) —- all sizes in  coal, ballast, all sorts of good products - check it out for yourself.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Alan S


                                                                                                                                                                                        On Oct 14, 2015, at 12:56 PM, 'Charlie Vlk' cvlk@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                        John,

                                                                                                                                                                                        You might try Woodland Scenics Coal.   It is widely available and comes in various scales/sizes and is made out of ground walnut shells and is somewhat lighter than real rocks.

                                                                                                                                                                                        I think the original Flyer coal was plastic / Bakelite pellets which would be even lighter but more difficult to source.  Perhaps while you are in the pet supplies aisle charcoal meant for water filters might work.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Charlie Vlk

                                                                                                                                                                                        I recently re-strung the coal bucket clamshell loader on my vintage AF Seaboard Coal tower.  It now works perfectly, except that it alights rather daintily on the coal pile, rather than dropping in with enough authority to actually immerse itself in the coal pile enough to pick up a good load.  It seems to me that the bucket needs more weight to load a meaningful amount of coal each "trip".   My "Coal" is black aquarium gravel and perhaps it is too dense to be displaced by the clamshell bucket.  I would like this Group's advice as to weighting the bucket or selecting an alternative fake coal to enhance operation of this neat old accessory.  Please tell me what works well for you. Thanks, John Davis Noblesville IN



                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76863 From: bill hoglund Date: 10/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Low Productivity at the Coalpile
                                                                                                                                                                                        I have seen A.F. and Lionel coal on Ebay.It is much lighter than aquarium gravel. I recently acquired a nice A.F. coal tower and it came with a small amount of coal. It is very light in weight.



                                                                                                                                                                                        On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 11:43 AM, "wyoaf@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                        I recently re-strung the coal bucket clamshell loader on my vintage AF Seaboard Coal tower.  It now works perfectly, except that it alights rather daintily on the coal pile, rather than dropping in with enough authority to actually immerse itself in the coal pile enough to pick up a good load.  It seems to me that the bucket needs more weight to load a meaningful amount of coal each "trip".   My "Coal" is black aquarium gravel and perhaps it is too dense to be displaced by the clamshell bucket.  I would like this Group's advice as to weighting the bucket or selecting an alternative fake coal to enhance operation of this neat old accessory.  Please tell me what works well for you. Thanks, John Davis Noblesville IN



                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76864 From: Alan Smith Date: 10/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Low Productivity at the Coalpile
                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                         Fellow S gaugers, 

                                                                                                                                                                                          OOPS —I forgot a portion of the name.
                                                                                                                                                                                          The best coal is from BRUMMY’s  Landscape express -( recycled rubber particles ) —- all sizes in  coal, ballast, all sorts of good products - check it out for yourself.

                                                                                                                                                                                         Email -dbrumagin4@...   ————   Address  200 23rd street —— Barberton, Oh.

                                                                                                                                                                                        GOOD STUFF CHEAP !

                                                                                                                                                                                        Alan S
                                                                                                                                                                                        Hamilton, Oh


                                                                                                                                                                                        On Oct 14, 2015, at 12:56 PM, 'Charlie Vlk' cvlk@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                        John,

                                                                                                                                                                                        You might try Woodland Scenics Coal.   It is widely available and comes in various scales/sizes and is made out of ground walnut shells and is somewhat lighter than real rocks.

                                                                                                                                                                                        I think the original Flyer coal was plastic / Bakelite pellets which would be even lighter but more difficult to source.  Perhaps while you are in the pet supplies aisle charcoal meant for water filters might work.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Charlie Vlk

                                                                                                                                                                                        I recently re-strung the coal bucket clamshell loader on my vintage AF Seaboard Coal tower.  It now works perfectly, except that it alights rather daintily on the coal pile, rather than dropping in with enough authority to actually immerse itself in the coal pile enough to pick up a good load.  It seems to me that the bucket needs more weight to load a meaningful amount of coal each "trip".   My "Coal" is black aquarium gravel and perhaps it is too dense to be displaced by the clamshell bucket.  I would like this Group's advice as to weighting the bucket or selecting an alternative fake coal to enhance operation of this neat old accessory.  Please tell me what works well for you. Thanks, John Davis Noblesville IN



                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76865 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion
                                                                                                                                                                                        One other thing on can motors mounted onto AF stem locos, SnS motors are provided in several variations lower an STD rpm, and short and "regular" length motors, there may be others also...shorter motors fit in smaller space.... The main point I wanted to emphasize is that the main motor armature bearing, pressed into die cast motor mounting saddle is sometimes worn out and needs to be replaced with a new bronze bearing. Probably a good idea to do anyway, as you are going to put in a new motor, this is not difficult an can be knocked out with some care and tapping using an appropriate sized drive pin. Then pressing in a new bearing, being sure its square to the housing(not tilted or binding).The bearings are available from a variety of S sources. When inserting worm end of can motor do not tighten motor up first ...thread worm shaft in slowly turning and seating with no force...the motor should kind of snug it self up, then tighten alternate sides
                                                                                                                                                                                        lightly till snug to frame, and tighten screws alternate sides with some pressure. Checking worm and gear mesh....that should do it....enjoy running with the new motor.......Peter Loeb










                                                                                                                                                                                        Y


                                                                                                                                                                                        ------------------------------
                                                                                                                                                                                        On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 7:26 AM PDT William Lewis lenscap76@... [S-Trains] wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                        >Some very good tips 
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® III
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        ><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: "'Kyle' kbrussel@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> </div><div>Date:10/13/2015 8:46 PM (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com </div><div>Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion </div><div>
                                                                                                                                                                                        ></div>I too have had this issue on several engines. My solution was to take a drill a few thousands oversize and “Ream” out the bronze bushing by hand. Apparently there is a tolerance buildup of the perpendicularity of the motor mount face on the chassis and/or the centering of the motor mount screw hole patterns to the bronze bushing on some engines, or on the particular can motor, that binds up the worm shaft when tightened down. Using numbered drills I have never needed to go more that 2 number sizes larger, normally one number size will do.
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >Kyle Russell
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >BAAFC 447
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >NASG 06F0022E
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >TCA 06-60660
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                        >Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 5:16 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                        >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                        >Subject: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >I just installed 2 Port Lines can motor conversions along with the Dallee electronic reverse units they sell too. The first went in a 350 4-6-2 that had a lousy motor and a worse stock E-unit. It was a simple installation and the engine purrs like a kitten now. Very slow and smooth in both directions.

                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >The second conversion was a 312 K5 that I use around the Christmas tree every year. This is a tough old engine that has run very smoothly since I bought it in 1975 or '76. I just wanted to replace the worn out E-unit but figured a can motor couldn't hurt either. Installation was easy and after putting everything back together the engine won't go forward even though it tries. In reverse it is jerky and binds up. Before the can motor it ran smooth and slow with the original Flyer motor so I don't think it can be any problem with the engine mechanism. Yes, the can is installed as instructed with "TOP" in the right orientation. I actually don't see why it really makes a difference but I did follow the instruction sheet. I removed the mechanism and removed all the valve gear & drive rods and have it stripped down to just the motor, 3 pairs of drivers, the side rods and the smoke unit drive gear. Removing everything else didn't make it run any better.
                                                                                                                                                                                        SO............has anyone experienced a problem like this? Could shims between the cast Flyer frame/mount and the new motor help? I'm at a loss now. What could I have overlooked here?
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >Thanks,
                                                                                                                                                                                        >Roger Huber
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76866 From: Bill Clark Date: 10/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Polar Express running on a DCC powered system.
                                                                                                                                                                                        The Bristol S Gauge Railroaders bought a Polar Express set to run at train shows. We spent some time testing it on Tommy Robichaud's Lenz DCC layout. It performed perfectly, controlled by it's Flyer Chief remote control while a standard DCC controlled loco also ran on the same layout. The only question we had in this test was the volume of smoke generated. The Berkshire locomotive did smoke, but as we were not able to power it with DC or AC, we don't know if the smoke volume was effected by the DCC waveform.

                                                                                                                                                                                        During our test, the Polar Express didn't seem to have any effect on DCC locos on the track at the same time, but we need more experience running on this and other DCC controlled layouts. Also, we would like to try it on other DCC systems, such as digitrax and NCE.

                                                                                                                                                                                        As far as we know, Lionel has not claimed compatibility with DCC power, nor have any DCC manufacturers made any statements about powering the Polar Express on their systems.

                                                                                                                                                                                        We aren't planning on doing any scientific tests, but do plan to run the Polar Express on our club layout at the upcoming shows. We'll post any new information on our website. But please note, we are running the Polar Express on our DCC layout at our own risk, and anyone else doing so will be at their own risk. We don't believe that running the PE on a DCC powered track will damage either the loco or the DCC system, but we don't know that. We don't know if it will effect the warranty from either Lionel or the DCC manufacturer.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Here's a video of the Polar Express running on Tommy's Lenz DCC layout, controlled by it's Flyer Chief remote control:

                                                                                                                                                                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D1GqGcAtRg&feature=youtu.be

                                                                                                                                                                                        Bill
                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76867 From: poniaj Date: 10/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Polar Express running on a DCC powered system.
                                                                                                                                                                                        "The Berkshire locomotive did smoke, but as we were not able to power it with DC or AC, we don't know if the smoke volume was effected by the DCC waveform."

                                                                                                                                                                                        That's good to know that it will run on a DCC layout.  It shouldn't matter if it's AC or DC.  The on board electronics convert either to usable current for its own use, for the smoke unit or whatever.  Whether or not the DCC waveform affects it, I'm not sure because I'm not familiar with the characteristics of DCC.  But as you said, Lionel doesn't claim compatibility with DDC, so use it at your own risk....  You'd have to call the technicians at Lionel to get an opinion on that.  But if it didn't fry the board yet, perhaps it's OK.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Jerry
                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76868 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 10/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Is the Polar Express Hand car out yet?
                                                                                                                                                                                        If so who has it?

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks Jim Sleeth
                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76869 From: frank emiro Date: 10/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Is the Polar Express Hand car out yet?
                                                                                                                                                                                        They have been out for months at CHARLES Ro for $72.00 charlesro.com Frank R. EMIRO --------------------------------------------
                                                                                                                                                                                        On Thu, 10/15/15, JAMES SLEETH aztecfan@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: [S-Trains] Is the Polar Express Hand car out yet? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 15, 2015, 3:03 PM If so who has it? Thanks Jim Sleeth #yiv0054982590 #yiv0054982590 --
                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76870 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Can motor conversion

                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm just "catching up" after several days off line, so I'm a bit late on this.  I have rebuilt and customized 21 old Flyer steam locomotives I got out of junk boxes.  I installed a new can motor in every one of them, using a couple of different ones, but mostly SnS motors.  I've had just about everything go wrong at some time or another rebuilding junkers.


                                                                                                                                                                                        I've never had to drill the chassis to make the motor fit and operate well.  Any binding problems were always chassis or mounting problems.  Steve is right when he says that AF locos wear a "pattern" into all the working parts, including gears.  And as he says, putting a new worm gear in changes that wear pattern, sometimes causing trouble.  Of course working with jumkers, I've found side rod bind, smoke unit bind and even out of quarter or bent drive wheels causing trouble and lots of serious wear issues because ALL of the locos were in bad shape to start with.  Of course I've found a LOT of hardened sixty year old grease in the gear boxes which doesn't help smooth operation either.


                                                                                                                                                                                        This sounds more like an installation problem.  If Gilbert put shims between the chassis and motor, there was usually a reason. I've never had to remove the shaft bushing in the chassis, but I have had to replace missing ones.  This supports and helps align the motor shaft to line up with the axle gear.  Removing this bushing will work, but I try not to do so.


                                                                                                                                                                                        You also have to be careful to tighten the mounting screws equally as well.   Once in a while the gears will bind if one screw is tighter than the other because the motor is not mounted flat to the chassis.  In case of a badly worn chassis, slightly loosening the mounting screws may help realign things.  Again everything must "line up" to work well, even if you have to install it slightly different.  Sometimes you can start with the motor not tightened all the way down and as the loco "re-breaks in" tighten it little by little. 


                                                                                                                                                                                        A trick I learned from slot car racing was to use Teflon inclusive lubricants.  This is the basic "miracle" ingredient in engine additives such as Slick 50, Dura Lube, and so on.  It works just as well in trains of all scales.  Always shake the container before using these oils to be certain the Teflon is in suspension.


                                                                                                                                                                                        Stumpy in Ahia



                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76871 From: racin510 Date: 10/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Low Productivity at the Coalpile
                                                                                                                                                                                        I haven't seen reason to have to add weight to the bucket, but you have to know that it doesn't have a lot of clamping power, even when run on 19V like I do. Still it does work and seems to do best with the plastic coal from the likes of Portlines or Lionel, rather than heavy real gravel type stuff. I also gave mine a little extra length of cable to allow it to sink into the coal pile, which on my table is somewhat recessed into the table. In operation you can tap the button to get the clam shell to sink more into the pile; a great accessory and fun to play with.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76872 From: John Davis Date: 10/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Low Productivity at the Coalpile
                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks to all who have responded to my problem of inadequate volume per scoop of the Seaboard clamshell buckets.  I will replace my black aquarium gravel "coal" with activated carbon or Lionel plastic coal and see if productivity increases.  I too added a little extra string (2 inches) to the rigging, as the old original string just reached to top of the coal pile and then began retracting as it counter spooled onto the reel inside the Loader building. The extra length allows for variability of coal pile height and preserves the directional integrity of the red and green buttons on the control. As other observers have noted, the solenoid that closes the clamshell bucket isn't strong enough to really scoop up whatever is within its jaws, so the lighter material is likely a better "fix"than adding weight to the bucket.  The longevity of these toys is astonishing.  John Davis Noblesville IN

                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76873 From: UNLV666@... Date: 10/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: S-Helper Left Handed Remote Control Turnout
                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                        Does anyone have a left handed S-Helper remote control turnout for sale and, if so, at what price?
                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                        Joe
                                                                                                                                                                                        NH
                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76874 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 18 October 2015
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                                                                                                                                                                                          When
                                                                                                                                                                                          Sunday, 18 October 2015
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                                                                                                                                                                                          SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76875 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 10/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: AF 27 radius turn outs?
                                                                                                                                                                                          Train World had them listed as manual but not available. May be they can be powered cheaper then buying powered ones, which are said to be operated wireless.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Any one with info?

                                                                                                                                                                                          Jim Sleeth


                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76876 From: Donald Keil Date: 10/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: DCC
                                                                                                                                                                                          I want to change the decoder in my 336 from a DH126 non sound to a MRC 1911 with sound. The system is Digitrax DCS100 and Duplex DT402D. I try to use JMRI to read the decoder and I get errors. I assume because of the sound etc there is not enough power in the programming track to do it. What is the best add on to improve the performance .
                                                                                                                                                                                          Not real comfortable with programming on the operation track.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Don Keil



                                                                                                                                                                                          On Thursday, December 1, 2011 2:24 PM, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                           


                                                                                                                                                                                          --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                                          > Hi Jimbo, If I understand your question, it looks like: Will HO DCC
                                                                                                                                                                                          > decoders work for S-Gauge locos?
                                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                                          > The short answer is Yes, that was the intent of the DCC standard. Base
                                                                                                                                                                                          > units and decoders work on a modified AC power which is always present
                                                                                                                                                                                          > on the rails. Any base unit should be able to control any decoder (as
                                                                                                                                                                                          > long as they implement the standard). It is even possible to control one
                                                                                                                                                                                          > standard DC loco which has no decoder.
                                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                                          > The longer answer is that the various decoders have their own
                                                                                                                                                                                          > characteristics. The one in point here is the power capacity. An older
                                                                                                                                                                                          > universal AC or DC motor like those found in post war Flyer uses track
                                                                                                                                                                                          > power to run the armature and the field. In modern can motors, the field
                                                                                                                                                                                          > is provided by permanent magnets. That greatly reduces the power that
                                                                                                                                                                                          > must be supplied through the rails. Older motors require more power.
                                                                                                                                                                                          > Bigger motors require more power (most of the time) and heavier locos
                                                                                                                                                                                          > require more power. That tells us a decoder that is designed to fit in a
                                                                                                                                                                                          > light weight, can motor HO loco may need far less than an amp. A Flyer
                                                                                                                                                                                          > loco with an old motor, a smoke unit and one or two incandescent light
                                                                                                                                                                                          > bulbs will draw much more - maybe 2 or 3 amps. It need not be as
                                                                                                                                                                                          > physically small as a decoder that fits in an HO loco and it does need
                                                                                                                                                                                          > to handle more power.
                                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                                          > To use lower power decoders, you can replace the original motor with a
                                                                                                                                                                                          > can conversion (S-n-S or Portlines), disconnect the smoke unit (or
                                                                                                                                                                                          > otherwise wire it so that it does not use the decoder) and wire the
                                                                                                                                                                                          > light bulbs direct to the track pickups. Then, the hefty variety of HO
                                                                                                                                                                                          > decoders might do the job.
                                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                                          > Higher power decoders are available for various manufacturers up to and
                                                                                                                                                                                          > including decoders that will work for G-Scale or ones that will run AC
                                                                                                                                                                                          > motors.
                                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                                          > Check with: http://www.ncedcc.com/ or http://www.digitrax.com/ or
                                                                                                                                                                                          > http://www.lenz.com/. I would avoid the lower-cost and capability units
                                                                                                                                                                                          > from Bachmann and the earlier decoders from Atlas. There are other
                                                                                                                                                                                          > suppliers that make stuff which meets the standards.
                                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                                          > The Bachmann units are made for lower power needs and some of them do
                                                                                                                                                                                          > not have the full addressing range that current decoders have.
                                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                                          > Atlas made units early on that also had limited address capability.
                                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                                          > Both of those outfits (it seems to me) are really making DCC as a way to
                                                                                                                                                                                          > sell their own locos rather than as after market units for the general
                                                                                                                                                                                          > consumer of the very excellent and flexible DCC system.
                                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                                          > DCC is an open standard supported by the NMRA. It is not the property of
                                                                                                                                                                                          > any manufacturer.
                                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                                          > Bill
                                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                                          > Bill Porter
                                                                                                                                                                                          > South Florida
                                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                                          > On 12/1/2011 9:06 AM, Jimbo wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                          > > I have been thinking about the dcc for s-gauge. I spent alot of time in the military and we used alot of voltaqe conversions in our radios ie taking a battery unit then plugging it into a vehicle on 26 volts dc, this is old tech. But couldnt this be done with ho dcc units? at a low cost, dont need to redo the wheel just modify it to work with different voltages and amps for the main card. This would keep costs down alot instead of having to design a complete new unit adapt one in use, any ideals from the electrical enginers?
                                                                                                                                                                                          > >
                                                                                                                                                                                          > >
                                                                                                                                                                                          >
                                                                                                                                                                                          Bill,

                                                                                                                                                                                          A few years back I converted my entire fleet of vintage Flyer to DCC. I used Loksound decoders with their Loksound programmer, exclusively. I used the Timko can motors in all my steamers. They all ran marvelously. I always powered up the smoke box and lamps directly from the track power. I used a small relay on a function button of my throttle to toggle them on/off. So there is no doubt in my mind that good-quality HO decoders will work. I even discovered that I could use them in my double motored Alcos that I had converted to can motors as well. Unless things have changed dramatically in the past few years, HO decoders are the standard in S gauge.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                          Timboy



                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76877 From: gregory mccormack Date: 10/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Reverse loop relay
                                                                                                                                                                                          Dear Readers,
                                                                                                                                                                                          In my layout I am attempting to have a reverse loop and use a 695 reverse loop relay and 26671 track trips to automatically throw the switch after the train goes through the loop and approaches the switch track to exit the loop.  I have looked at many Gilbert instruction manuals but I am unable to find instructions on how to do this. I have tried on my own to wire it up, but have only been partly successful.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Do you know if it is possible to do this? If so, do you know how it is done or is there an instruction sheet about this? If not, do you know of anyone who has done this whom I might be able to contact? I would appreciate any assistance you can offer me. Thank you.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Greg M
                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76878 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 10/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: DCC
                                                                                                                                                                                          Hi Don,

                                                                                                                                                                                          The DSC100 programming track doesn't have enough power to program a sound decoder. This is because Digitrax limited the power output to avoid people from frying their decoder when they hook it up incorrectly. However, the low power doesn't allow sound decoders to be properly programmed. A special board is needed to increase the power, yet add additional safety precautions to prevent the decoder from being fried in case of an error of hooking up the wires. I used the Soundtraxx PTB-100 programming track board. I also used the RR-CirKits LocoBuffer to connect my computer to the Digitrax' LocoNet communications, so that I could use JMRI to program the sound decoders. I have an article on my web site that describes these components and how I had it hooked up:

                                                                                                                                                                                          http://pmrr.org/Articles/DCC/index6.htm

                                                                                                                                                                                          Hope this helps,
                                                                                                                                                                                           - Peter.


                                                                                                                                                                                          On 10/18/2015 6:10 am, Donald Keil dlkeil@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                          I want to change the decoder in my 336 from a DH126 non sound to a MRC 1911 with sound. The system is Digitrax DCS100 and Duplex DT402D. I try to use JMRI to read the decoder and I get errors. I assume because of the sound etc there is not enough power in the programming track to do it. What is the best add on to improve the performance .
                                                                                                                                                                                          Not real comfortable with programming on the operation track.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Don Keil

                                                                                                                                                                                          -- 
                                                                                                                                                                                          Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
                                                                                                                                                                                          Houston, Texas
                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                          My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
                                                                                                                                                                                          My business site: http://fourthray.com/
                                                                                                                                                                                          Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/
                                                                                                                                                                                          NASG site: http://nasg.org/
                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76879 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 10/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Reverse loop relay

                                                                                                                                                                                          Hi Greg

                                                                                                                                                                                          If you can get a copy of the complete service manual for American flyer trains by Aurotech the wiring starts on page 328 wiring it to a switch follow the following

                                                                                                                                                                                          First remove the two steel pins and replace with fibers example right hand switch remove right hand pin on curved section and left hand pin on straight section replacing them with fiber pins. Than install two 707 track trips installed on first section of track after switch one on the right curve side. The following wiring from the 695 reverse loop  goes as follows yellow wire one on the curve track   Green wire goes to the straight section the following wires go to remote control switch black to black terminal red to red terminal and green to green terminal  ( side with 3 wires ) on other side with 4 wires yellow to one 707 green to the other 707 red to  and black to a 690 track trip  Note besure small button in front of switch is set for 2 train operation if you have any other questions please feel free to e mail me at americanflyer@... thanks and good luck stan

                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                          Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 8:01 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse loop relay

                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                          Dear Readers,

                                                                                                                                                                                          In my layout I am attempting to have a reverse loop and use a 695 reverse loop relay and 26671 track trips to automatically throw the switch after the train goes through the loop and approaches the switch track to exit the loop.  I have looked at many Gilbert instruction manuals but I am unable to find instructions on how to do this. I have tried on my own to wire it up, but have only been partly successful.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Do you know if it is possible to do this? If so, do you know how it is done or is there an instruction sheet about this? If not, do you know of anyone who has done this whom I might be able to contact? I would appreciate any assistance you can offer me. Thank you.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Greg M

                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76880 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 10/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED OPEN HOUSE
                                                                                                                                                                                          TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED
                                                                                                                                                                                          OPEN HOUSE

                                                                                                                                                                                          WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 21, 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                          STARTING AT 2:00 PM (around)
                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                          TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED
                                                                                                                                                                                          38 YORK ST. 
                                                                                                                                                                                          HANOVER PA. 17331
                                                                                                                                                                                          ( 25 minutes from York, PA FAIRGROUNDS )

                                                                                                                                                                                          1-717-637-4717
                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                          FOOD, DRINKS & PLENTY OF GOOD CONVERSATION
                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                              Toy Trains Unlimited, 38 York St., Hanover PA. 17331,will be having an open house on Wednesday, October the 21st, 2015. This is the week of the York TCA, Meet.
                                                                                                                                                                                               This year's event will start at 2 PM., and will continue until everyone has left or has been thrown out, including myself (Ron). There will be food, drinks, and a large selection of American Flyer & Lionel trains and accessories. Hopefully there will be some very unusual and interesting Flyer items to show and tell about (please bring  in your interesting Flyer items), and of course we will also have a large group of Flyer and Lionel operators and collectors visiting. Make plans to attend this yearly event and please tell your American Flyer & Lionel friends to come along. There is plenty of that stuff here to choose from.

                                                                                                                                                                                          DIRECTIONS:
                                                                                                                                                                                          From the York Fairgrounds, take Market St. to Carlisle Ave. until you get to Route 30 west.  Follow Route 30 west (for approximately 8 miles) until you come to the intersection of Rt.116 & Route 30.  Turn left onto Rt.116.  From route 116 & 30 you will travel approximately 20 miles where Rt. 116 will become York St. in the town of Hanover.  As you enter the town of Hanover, travel approximately 2 miles. The train shop will be on the right side of York St./116.  Look for the Railroad Flag hanging from the front of the store.
                                                                                                                                                                                            
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                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76881 From: John F Metzger,RN Date: 10/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: The Fall S Fest 2015 in St Louis.
                                                                                                                                                                                          There are many hotels/motels close to the Drury Inns Westport. If you have problems with the Drury Inns getting a room, check around for another close motel to stay at. Talk to Moe at afsgsla@... for other suggestions.


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                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76882 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 18 October 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                          Attachments :
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                                                                                                                                                                                            When
                                                                                                                                                                                            Sunday, 18 October 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                            05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                            (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                            Where
                                                                                                                                                                                            http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                                            Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                            SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76883 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: 30" radius, 15 deg. curved track, 6 sections. NIB
                                                                                                                                                                                            Have following for sale....

                                                                                                                                                                                            SHS curved 15 degree sections (these were spliced at factory from two end pieces (have to look close to see splice), box #00296 30" radius, 15 DEG. curved track, 6 sections.

                                                                                                                                                                                            New, never out of box except to be sure all sections are there, with some orig paper work, with foam inserts. Bought from Don directly some years ago.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Will be mailed to you in close fitting outer`shipping carton.

                                                                                                                                                                                            SHS box of track $30. + $10. shipping = $40.00 ....check, MO  OK

                                                                                                                                                                                            Contact me directly:  dtrains@...      thanks, Peter. Loeb

                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76884 From: poniaj Date: 10/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Reverse loop relay
                                                                                                                                                                                            Greg,

                                                                                                                                                                                            Here's a couple of pages from the Flyer manuals:


                                                                                                                                                                                            Jerry
                                                                                                                                                                                              @@attachment@@
                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76885 From: gregory mccormack Date: 10/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Reverse loop relay [2 Attachments]
                                                                                                                                                                                            Jerry,
                                                                                                                                                                                            Thank you very much for your reply. I do have these instructions. They address the wiring of the reverse loop relay, but I am also trying to use track trips to automatically throw the switch  to allow the train to exit the reverse loop without derailing at the switch track.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Greg 



                                                                                                                                                                                            On Sunday, October 18, 2015 7:38 PM, "poniaj@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                            Greg,

                                                                                                                                                                                            Here's a couple of pages from the Flyer manuals:


                                                                                                                                                                                            Jerry


                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76886 From: gregory mccormack Date: 10/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Reverse loop relay
                                                                                                                                                                                            Stan, 
                                                                                                                                                                                            thank you very much for your reply. I do not have the Aurotech manual, but I do have the Complete Service Manual by K-Line (which I believe is similar) and the Greenberg manual. From reading your reply, I understand the wiring of the reverse loop relay, but does this also enable the track switches to throw automatically as the train is about to exit the reverse loop? (ie, similar to a Lionel?) 
                                                                                                                                                                                            Greg



                                                                                                                                                                                            On Sunday, October 18, 2015 10:53 AM, "'Stanley Sobieski' americanflyer@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi Greg
                                                                                                                                                                                            If you can get a copy of the complete service manual for American flyer trains by Aurotech the wiring starts on page 328 wiring it to a switch follow the following
                                                                                                                                                                                            First remove the two steel pins and replace with fibers example right hand switch remove right hand pin on curved section and left hand pin on straight section replacing them with fiber pins. Than install two 707 track trips installed on first section of track after switch one on the right curve side. The following wiring from the 695 reverse loop  goes as follows yellow wire one on the curve track   Green wire goes to the straight section the following wires go to remote control switch black to black terminal red to red terminal and green to green terminal  ( side with 3 wires ) on other side with 4 wires yellow to one 707 green to the other 707 red to  and black to a 690 track trip  Note besure small button in front of switch is set for 2 train operation if you have any other questions please feel free to e mail me at americanflyer@... thanks and good luck stan
                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                            Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 8:01 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse loop relay
                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                            Dear Readers,
                                                                                                                                                                                            In my layout I am attempting to have a reverse loop and use a 695 reverse loop relay and 26671 track trips to automatically throw the switch after the train goes through the loop and approaches the switch track to exit the loop.  I have looked at many Gilbert instruction manuals but I am unable to find instructions on how to do this. I have tried on my own to wire it up, but have only been partly successful.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Do you know if it is possible to do this? If so, do you know how it is done or is there an instruction sheet about this? If not, do you know of anyone who has done this whom I might be able to contact? I would appreciate any assistance you can offer me. Thank you.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Greg M


                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76887 From: Dr Trains Date: 10/19/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: 30" radius, 15 deg. curved track, 6 sections. NIB...for sale
                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks for everyones interest, this box of SHS track is  sold, Peter Loeb
                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76888 From: Thomas Barker Date: 10/19/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Reverse loop relay
                                                                                                                                                                                            In my Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Operating and Repair Guide, Volume 1,page 81 I have a how to set up a reverse loop. In this same chapter, I show how to rig in a microswitch in the turnout itself to make the necessary polarity changes. Also, there is a circuit diagram for an electronic track trip and with all of this you should be able to set up a foolproof system to build your reverse loop(s). The book is available at Amazon.


                                                                                                                                                                                            Tom


                                                                                                                                                                                            Thomas B Barker
                                                                                                                                                                                            (585) 265-4015
                                                                                                                                                                                            tbbeqa@...
                                                                                                                                                                                            Your Guide in the World of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Trains
                                                                                                                                                                                            https://www.amazon.com/author/thomasbarker
                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76889 From: Tomburns824 Date: 10/19/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: 30" radius, 15 deg. curved track, 6 sections. NIB...for sale



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                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] 30" radius, 15 deg. curved track, 6 sections. NIB...for sale
                                                                                                                                                                                            From: "Dr Trains dtrains@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                            CC: [S-Trains] 30" radius, 15 deg. curved track, 6 sections. NIB...for sale


                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks for everyones interest, this box of SHS track is  sold, Peter Loeb

                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76890 From: bud9351 Date: 10/19/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Larger local clubs out there?
                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi,
                                                                                                                                                                                               I didn't get your name, but am interested in your revitalizing of the Cleveland Model line. I am also from the Buffalo NY area and would like to hear from you via email. We can exchange phone numbers then. I am a member of the Western NY S Scalers club of which only a couple of us model in "scale" but all have a good time when we get together. While not a large membership club, the camaraderie is there and we welcome new and hopefully active members.
                                                                                                                                                                                                 Bud Rindfleisch
                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76891 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 10/22/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Try $55. I may need to try and borrow one.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Anybody living in Delaware? I will not be able to get to my trains in FL.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Building a set of modules to run the Polar Express here.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I will build straight modules 40" by 24".  I have 48" by 24" straight modules made that are in FL.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I ordered new AF 27 radius curve track. I guess I'll figure these out as I go.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I my make a corner mountain out of foam. I make drop a straight section and have a 1by4 with track on it and cut aches  out of foam board.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Any one have a block pattern I can print to glue on o the arches?

                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks Jim Sleeth
                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76892 From: Denny Zee Date: 10/22/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
                                                                                                                                                                                            Newbie question - is the power supply shipped with the PE set safe? Have one put up for a 12 year olds Christmas and need to know if I need to upgrade it.

                                                                                                                                                                                            On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:18 PM, JAMES SLEETH aztecfan@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            Try $55. I may need to try and borrow one.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Anybody living in Delaware? I will not be able to get to my trains in FL.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Building a set of modules to run the Polar Express here.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I will build straight modules 40" by 24".  I have 48" by 24" straight modules made that are in FL.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I ordered new AF 27 radius curve track. I guess I'll figure these out as I go.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I my make a corner mountain out of foam. I make drop a straight section and have a 1by4 with track on it and cut aches  out of foam board.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Any one have a block pattern I can print to glue on o the arches?

                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks Jim Sleeth


                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76893 From: Scubadoo22 Date: 10/22/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
                                                                                                                                                                                            I've been using mine with no problems so far, and I keep checking for excess heat, but none so far.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Doug K
                                                                                                                                                                                            Ps, I'm using the stock setup out of the box.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Sent from my iPhone

                                                                                                                                                                                            On Oct 22, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Denny Zee davincilearningacademy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            Newbie question - is the power supply shipped with the PE set safe? Have one put up for a 12 year olds Christmas and need to know if I need to upgrade it.

                                                                                                                                                                                            On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:18 PM, JAMES SLEETH aztecfan@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            Try $55. I may need to try and borrow one.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Anybody living in Delaware? I will not be able to get to my trains in FL.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Building a set of modules to run the Polar Express here.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I will build straight modules 40" by 24".  I have 48" by 24" straight modules made that are in FL.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I ordered new AF 27 radius curve track. I guess I'll figure these out as I go.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I my make a corner mountain out of foam. I make drop a straight section and have a 1by4 with track on it and cut aches  out of foam board.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Any one have a block pattern I can print to glue on o the arches?

                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks Jim Sleeth


                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76894 From: Denny Zee Date: 10/22/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks

                                                                                                                                                                                            On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Scubadoo22 scubadoo22@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            I've been using mine with no problems so far, and I keep checking for excess heat, but none so far.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Doug K
                                                                                                                                                                                            Ps, I'm using the stock setup out of the box.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Sent from my iPhone

                                                                                                                                                                                            On Oct 22, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Denny Zee davincilearningacademy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            Newbie question - is the power supply shipped with the PE set safe? Have one put up for a 12 year olds Christmas and need to know if I need to upgrade it.

                                                                                                                                                                                            On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:18 PM, JAMES SLEETH aztecfan@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            Try $55. I may need to try and borrow one.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Anybody living in Delaware? I will not be able to get to my trains in FL.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Building a set of modules to run the Polar Express here.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I will build straight modules 40" by 24".  I have 48" by 24" straight modules made that are in FL.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I ordered new AF 27 radius curve track. I guess I'll figure these out as I go.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I my make a corner mountain out of foam. I make drop a straight section and have a 1by4 with track on it and cut aches  out of foam board.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Any one have a block pattern I can print to glue on o the arches?

                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks Jim Sleeth



                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76895 From: Thomas Barker Date: 10/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
                                                                                                                                                                                            You do not need to use the Lionel power supply. I am running the 5 car Polar Express on a 12b Gilbert AC transformer.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Tom


                                                                                                                                                                                            Thomas B Barker
                                                                                                                                                                                            1223 Lake Point Drive
                                                                                                                                                                                            Webster, NY 14580
                                                                                                                                                                                            (585) 265-4015
                                                                                                                                                                                            tbbeqa@...
                                                                                                                                                                                            Your Guide in the World of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Trains
                                                                                                                                                                                            https://www.amazon.com/author/thomasbarker
                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76896 From: afot7 Date: 10/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
                                                                                                                                                                                            AF 27 radius curve Fastrack is defective. Lionel has done nothing to fix the track.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76897 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 25 October 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                            Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                                              "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                                              When
                                                                                                                                                                                              Sunday, 25 October 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                              05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                              (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                              Where
                                                                                                                                                                                              http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                                              Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                              SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76898 From: frank emiro Date: 10/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
                                                                                                                                                                                              What is the defect with the 27R track ? Frank R. EMIRO -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 10/24/15, ot7@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday,
                                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76899 From: William Lewis Date: 10/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
                                                                                                                                                                                              Isn't there a lot of defective products from Lionel lately 


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                                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76900 From: John F Metzger,RN Date: 10/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes. The latest action cars are having the pickup post break off. I do not have any, but my friends in the AFSGSLA club have complained and warned our group.  So I will not buy any until Lionel finds a fix. They say for now there's no fix. 

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                                                                                                                                                                                              On Oct 24, 2015, at 8:17 PM, William Lewis lenscap76@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                              Isn't there a lot of defective products from Lionel lately 


                                                                                                                                                                                              Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® III

                                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76901 From: Roy Meissner Date: 10/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Fall S Fest
                                                                                                                                                                                              I will be attending the Fall S Fest this coming week end. The person who was going to share a room with me can’t make it.I have a room for Thursday , Friday, and Saturday nights. If you would like t share a room with me, contact me off line at rmeissner@..., or 262-538-4325, or my cell at 262-271-4202.
                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                              Roy J Meissner



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                                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76902 From: afot7 Date: 10/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Lionel will not up grade the Polar Express Power supply for free
                                                                                                                                                                                              I returned my R-27 track for loose rails and flanges hitting something.
                                                                                                                                                                                              They are aware of the R27 Fastrack problem.  I asked them what they intend to do about it and they said they have not done another run that corrects the problem.  

                                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76903 From: Bill Lane Date: 10/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: REA BX Express Boxcar

                                                                                                                                                                                              My REA BX Express Boxcar is done. Please give my new page a look. http://www.lanestrains.com/Railway_Express_Agency_BX_Boxcar.htm

                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                              Thank You,
                                                                                                                                                                                              Bill Lane

                                                                                                                                                                                              Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL  & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

                                                                                                                                                                                              See my finished models at:
                                                                                                                                                                                              http://www.lanestrains.com
                                                                                                                                                                                              Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                                                                                                                                                                                              PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                                                                                                                                                                                              (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                                                                                                                                                                                              http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                                                                                                                                                                                              ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                                                                                                                                                                                              The other members are not ALL like me!
                                                                                                                                                                                              http://www.prrths.com
                                                                                                                                                                                              http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

                                                                                                                                                                                              Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                                                                                                                                                                                              http://www.prslhs.com

                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76904 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 25 October 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                              Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                                                "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                                                When
                                                                                                                                                                                                Sunday, 25 October 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                                Where
                                                                                                                                                                                                http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                                                Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                                SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76905 From: wcbeverly Date: 10/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Slim Gauge Guild Open House 11/1 + 11/3

                                                                                                                                                                                                he Slim Gauge Guild Model RR Club would like to invite you to their open house November 1st from 10am to 6pm and Tuesday November 3rd from 6pm to 10pm.

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                The Slim Gauge Guild is located on the South East corner of Raymond and Del Mar in Old Town Pasadena. The address is 300 S. Raymond, Pasadena CA. 91105

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                The club features two layouts in a 2000 sq. ft. basement. The HO/HOn3 layout has a Colorado theme and centers around Salida in the 1920s as the track goes up the Black Canyon and enters Cimarron Colorado. From there the track joins the Rio Grande Southern part of the layout with Ophir and the Gallagher Loop.

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                The S/Sn3 layout has a California high country theme with massive mountains and high bridges. The upper level has a West Side Lumber logging scenes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Please ask about membership. With membership you will receive a door key that will allow you to come down and run trains or work on the layout whenever you want.

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Come join us. Admission is always free.


                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76906 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Fall S Fest & Monsanto car
                                                                                                                                                                                                For those of you attending the Fall S Fest, and especially those who ordered the number one car from the fest, the Monsanto Tanker might be interested in this little bit of history.

                                                                                                                                                                                                The
                                                                                                                                                                                                “other Monsanto tank car that A.C. Gilbert might have produced” or one very similar to it appears to have actually been produced in HO gauge as a specialty item.  The one known sample is featured on a special page at my website, gilbertho.org at the following link.

                                                                                                                                                                                                http://gilbertho.org/rolling_stock/368.htm

                                                                                                                                                                                                It formed part of an award trophy given to those who participated in the making of an industrial film produced by Monsanto in 1953, a time when Gilbert wasn't actively marketing HO.   The film was "Decision for Chemistry" and the lettering on the car indicating its contents, "orthonitrochlorobenzene" was based on a key element in the film.   Since it was given for "participation," it seems likely that more than one was made.  

                                                                                                                                                                                                For more details take a look at the link above.   As always, if you have any further information about this car, I would be pleased to hear it.    Also, if you have ever heard of the film and know where a copy might be obtained or viewed that would also be appreciated.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Dale Smith

                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                On 10/25/2015 6:18 AM, 'Roy Meissner' rmeissner@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                I will be attending the Fall S Fest this coming week end. The person who was going to share a room with me can’t make it.I have a room for Thursday , Friday, and Saturday nights. If you would like t share a room with me, contact me off line at rmeissner@..., or 262-538-4325, or my cell at 262-271-4202.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76907 From: Charles Hancock Date: 10/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: 771 Stockyard
                                                                                                                                                                                                Greetings!
                                                                                                                                                                                                Working on the Gilbert Stockyard, I have come up with some very fast moving cows.
                                                                                                                                                                                                I have been told that the "cow Speed can be controlled by turning a nut. My parts diagram does not show a nut on the magnet? There is a screw that can be turned, it seems to be holding the coil in the magnet assembly. Moving it or rotating the coil does change the "cow speed" a bit but not enough to keep the cows from bouncing off the fences.
                                                                                                                                                                                                What am I missing, how do I slow them down and keep them upright??
                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
                                                                                                                                                                                                Charlie in W Mi
                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76908 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard
                                                                                                                                                                                                Rather than connecting the stockyard to the fixed 16 Volt post of your transformer, connect it to the variable post of a separate small transformer (40 watts is plenty of power) and turn the power up and down until you get the cows to move the way you like.
                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org


                                                                                                                                                                                                From: "Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 9:55 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: [S-Trains] 771 Stockyard

                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                Greetings!
                                                                                                                                                                                                Working on the Gilbert Stockyard, I have come up with some very fast moving cows.
                                                                                                                                                                                                I have been told that the "cow Speed can be controlled by turning a nut. My parts diagram does not show a nut on the magnet? There is a screw that can be turned, it seems to be holding the coil in the magnet assembly. Moving it or rotating the coil does change the "cow speed" a bit but not enough to keep the cows from bouncing off the fences.
                                                                                                                                                                                                What am I missing, how do I slow them down and keep them upright??
                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
                                                                                                                                                                                                Charlie in W Mi


                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76909 From: snstrains Date: 10/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard
                                                                                                                                                                                                Reduce the voltage to the 771....
                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                                                                                                                Boise, Idaho
                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                In a message dated 10/26/2015 9:06:44 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Greetings!
                                                                                                                                                                                                Working on the Gilbert Stockyard, I have come up with some very fast moving cows.
                                                                                                                                                                                                I have been told that the "cow Speed can be controlled by turning a nut. My parts diagram does not show a nut on the magnet? There is a screw that can be turned, it seems to be holding the coil in the magnet assembly. Moving it or rotating the coil does change the "cow speed" a bit but not enough to keep the cows from bouncing off the fences.
                                                                                                                                                                                                What am I missing, how do I slow them down and keep them upright??
                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
                                                                                                                                                                                                Charlie in W Mi

                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76910 From: rhicks308 Date: 10/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard
                                                                                                                                                                                                The best way is to run it on less than 15 volts.  If you have an extra transformer you're not actually using to run trains, connect the yellow wire from the stockyard to the variable post and adjust the speed control so the cows behave the way you want them to.
                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76911 From: Carey Probst Date: 10/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: 343 Tender
                                                                                                                                                                                                I just found a 343 0-8-0 I had long forgotten I had.


                                                                                                                                                                                                Does anyone have a spare tender to go with the switcher?


                                                                                                                                                                                                Not sure if I ever had the proper tender of if it was claimed by the
                                                                                                                                                                                                moving gods during one of our moves.


                                                                                                                                                                                                TIA


                                                                                                                                                                                                Carey
                                                                                                                                                                                                --
                                                                                                                                                                                                Carey Probst
                                                                                                                                                                                                Pennsyltucky RR
                                                                                                                                                                                                Chief Microferroequineologist
                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76912 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 10/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard
                                                                                                                                                                                                Try using the variable post on your transformer instead of the fixed voltage post and try turning the voltage down. Hope this is clear as mud. Chris


                                                                                                                                                                                                From: "Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 12:55 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: [S-Trains] 771 Stockyard

                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                Greetings!
                                                                                                                                                                                                Working on the Gilbert Stockyard, I have come up with some very fast moving cows.
                                                                                                                                                                                                I have been told that the "cow Speed can be controlled by turning a nut. My parts diagram does not show a nut on the magnet? There is a screw that can be turned, it seems to be holding the coil in the magnet assembly. Moving it or rotating the coil does change the "cow speed" a bit but not enough to keep the cows from bouncing off the fences.
                                                                                                                                                                                                What am I missing, how do I slow them down and keep them upright??
                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
                                                                                                                                                                                                Charlie in W Mi


                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76913 From: daleminard Date: 10/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: For San Diego County Members - San Diego S-Gaugers Halloween Exhibit

                                                                                                                                                                                                When:                  Friday, October 30th from Noon to 5 p.m.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Where:                 Grossmont Shopping Center, Grossmont Center Dr., La Mesa, CA

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Next door to Panera Bread

                                                                                                                                                                                                The San Diego S-Gaugers will be displaying our layout in association with Grossmont Center’s Halloween Celebration.  We’ve set up our entire 18 ft. by 33 ft. oval with a 6 ft. by 6 ft. corner extension for the occasion; overall that’s about 1 and 1/10 scale miles in length.

                                                                                                                                                                                                On two of the corners, the main tracks burrow under mountain ranges and pass a prospering dairy farm on the third corner and an orange grove on the fourth; an extension on the fourth corner contains a turntable and a 5 stall round house (under construction) along with various rail yard track side accessories.  On one side of the layout we have modules that host a rail yard with multiple sidings that serve a passenger station, a coal tower, a sand house, an ice station & icing dock and a citrus packing house.  The modules on the other side host a developing vineyard, a siding with operating trackside action accessories from the A.C. Gilbert era (1946 through 1960s) along with a military air museum with aircraft from WW I, WW II and Korea.  Other modules feature a trestle over a fishing creek, a dairy farm, girder bridges over a creek that flows out of twin lakes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Our window display is 6 ft. by 11 ft. table that holds a folded figure 8 (a loop inside of a loop) that contains a mountain lake, a waterfall, and a rural town with a train station, a motel, and various stores and houses.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Watch this site for information about our Christmas exhibit schedule.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76914 From: alhbaker Date: 10/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: SHS 2-8-0 Drive Gear available (new)

                                                                                                                                                                                                I ordered one, but got (& paid for) two.   NWSL said I can return one, but I will pass it on to someone if they want it for some reason, and if my costs are covered plus shipping.   My cost:   $14.95 * $5.95 shipping to me.   Add $3.10 shipping to you = $24 .   I will take PayPal or a check.     Otherwise I will just return it to NWSL.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Al  Baker

                                                                                                                                                                                                Portland, OR

                                                                                                                                                                                                503-645-9079

                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76915 From: daleminard Date: 10/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: For San Diego County Members - San Diego S-Gaugers Halloween Exh

                                                                                                                                                                                                Correction:  The exhibit is on Saturday from noon to 5 p.m.


                                                                                                                                                                                                Dale Minard

                                                                                                                                                                                                San Diego S-Gaugers

                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76916 From: racin510 Date: 10/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: 771 Stockyard
                                                                                                                                                                                                The only way to fine tune the yard and Guilford is to put them on a separate variable transformer and find a voltage that your unit is happy at.
                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76917 From: ecphora123 Date: 10/27/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: 343 Tender
                                                                                                                                                                                                Hey Carey... If you can't find one, why not "Do A Stumpy" and kit-bash one from a junker Flyer tender? That way you'd have something for it until the real thing comes along. Sound like a song I once heard. Nah! Couldn't be.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Gene Cimino
                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76918 From: hhisgauger Date: 10/28/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Lionel/American Flyer for Sale

                                                                                                                                                                                                First time posting some items for sale.  All bought new and stored in a smoke free home and all NIB: 


                                                                                                                                                                                                6-48505: llinois Central Flat Car w/Bulkheads-$25

                                                                                                                                                                                                6-48436: 1991 NASG Commorative................ $40

                                                                                                                                                                                                4-9101:   Union Oil Tank Car............................$25

                                                                                                                                                                                                4-9707:   Rail Box Car......................................$25

                                                                                                                                                                                                6-48417: Pillsbury Tank Car............................$35

                                                                                                                                                                                                6-48723: Sante FE Boom Car.........................$25

                                                                                                                                                                                                6-48419: jack Frost Tank Car..........................$35

                                                                                                                                                                                                4-9700: Sante Fe Box: One Nib......................$75

                                                                                                                                                                                                4-9700: Sante Fe Box: No Nibs......................$35

                                                                                                                                                                                                6-48815: Needham Reefer.............................$35


                                                                                                                                                                                                Shipping $7 



                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76919 From: dtrains@ymail.com Date: 10/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: hi, looking for SHS truck springs

                                                                                                                                                                                                Howdy folks.......looking for SHS freight truck springs....no one I looked at had any???  Lost a few switching hirail wheels to scale. Could use at least a dozen or more. Also:


                                                                                                                                                                                                have SHS  33" HIGH RAIL WHEEL SETS..... WOULD LIKE TO SELL or TRADE for SHS scale wheels.


                                                                                                                                                                                                Have AM 33" and 36" high rail WHEEL SETS for sale or TRADE for scale WHEEL SETS.Have a bunch of various SHS and AM AF/LIONEL compatible couplers for sale.




                                                                                                                                                                                                I have A brand new AF/LIONEL UP 4-6-6-4 in grey livery (arguably one of the best looking paint schemes). Includes original factory shipping carton, never run, have opened box to verify contents. $ 850. Plus S&h and insurance?

                                                                                                                                                                                                ASSUMED TO BE USED, (not by me) SHS B&O 2-8-0...high rail wheels DC, looks brand new. $ 380. Plus S&h and insurance?

                                                                                                                                                                                                Questions gladly answered, details available if you are seriuosly interested Contact me off the list please!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks, S gaugingly, Peter Loeb


























                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76920 From: Robert Lampe Date: 10/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: hi, looking for SHS truck springs
                                                                                                                                                                                                As a last resort you might try shortening some O scale springs or it might be that HO springs will fit right in.
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Kalispell, MT

                                                                                                                                                                                                From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:17:39 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: [S-Trains] hi, looking for SHS truck springs

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Howdy folks.......looking for SHS freight truck springs....no one I looked at had any???  Lost a few switching hirail wheels to scale. Could use at least a dozen or more. Also:



                                                                                                                                                                                                have SHS  33" HIGH RAIL WHEEL SETS..... WOULD LIKE TO SELL or TRADE for SHS scale wheels.


                                                                                                                                                                                                Have AM 33" and 36" high rail WHEEL SETS for sale or TRADE for scale WHEEL SETS.Have a bunch of various SHS and AM AF/LIONEL compatible couplers for sale.






                                                                                                                                                                                                I have A brand new AF/LIONEL UP 4-6-6-4 in grey livery (arguably one of the best looking paint schemes). Includes original factory shipping carton, never run, have opened box to verify contents. $ 850. Plus S&h and insurance?

                                                                                                                                                                                                ASSUMED TO BE USED, (not by me) SHS B&O 2-8-0...high rail wheels DC, looks brand new. $ 380. Plus S&h and insurance?

                                                                                                                                                                                                Questions gladly answered, details available if you are seriuosly interested Contact me off the list please!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks, S gaugingly, Peter Loeb



















































                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76921 From: lgv_57 Date: 10/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: What is the best coal for use with the MTH coal loader #30-9043?

                                                                                                                                                                                                I have the following questions about MTH coal #30-50005:


                                                                                                                                                                                                Does the MTH coal look like real coal? 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Is it made of a light weight material or heavy like stone? 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Does the clam shell pick up a reasonable amount of the MTH coal? 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Is the coal large enough that it does not jam the sliding bin emptying mechanism?


                                                                                                                                                                                                The MTH coal #30-50005 just recently became available but I am reluctant to buy it until I know how it works.


                                                                                                                                                                                                I bought coal from Port Lines Hobby Supplies that appears to be pieces of real coal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                The coal is large and heavy. The coal loader clam shell is too light to force itself into the coal pile and only picks up a few pieces. 


                                                                                                                                                                                                I bought Lionel coal #6-12732 from a local dealer. The dealer said other customers use it in place of MTH coal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                The Lionel coal is lightweight but looks like broken up pieces of cylindrical shapes, not realistic looking enough for my customer.


                                                                                                                                                                                                I appreciate the recommendations and comments of anyone with experience with the MTH coal loader.


                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks,

                                                                                                                                                                                                Robert South



                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76922 From: racin510 Date: 10/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: What is the best coal for use with the MTH coal loader #30-9043?
                                                                                                                                                                                                Don't know about the MTH coal, but don't expect a miracle. Like I might have mentioned earlier, VOLTAGE really helps .... like 19. Lionel KW is an excellent accessory transformer.
                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76923 From: beebear Date: 10/31/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: What is the best coal for use with the MTH coal loader #30-9043?

                                                                                                                                                                                                Speaking from my own experience … Search the internet for ground plastic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Most companies I have contacted will send you a sample. I think I paid $6.00

                                                                                                                                                                                                for a 12 lb. bag of black regrind plastic. I also got a bag of gray to simulate

                                                                                                                                                                                                limestone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                John Frankforther

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 11:36 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: [S-Trains] What is the best coal for use with the MTH coal loader #30-9043?

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                I have the following questions about MTH coal #30-50005:

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Does the MTH coal look like real coal? 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Is it made of a light weight material or heavy like stone? 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Does the clam shell pick up a reasonable amount of the MTH coal? 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Is the coal large enough that it does not jam the sliding bin emptying mechanism?

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                The MTH coal #30-50005 just recently became available but I am reluctant to buy it until I know how it works.

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                I bought coal from Port Lines Hobby Supplies that appears to be pieces of real coal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                The coal is large and heavy. The coal loader clam shell is too light to force itself into the coal pile and only picks up a few pieces. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                I bought Lionel coal #6-12732 from a local dealer. The dealer said other customers use it in place of MTH coal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                The Lionel coal is lightweight but looks like broken up pieces of cylindrical shapes, not realistic looking enough for my customer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                I appreciate the recommendations and comments of anyone with experience with the MTH coal loader.

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks,

                                                                                                                                                                                                Robert South

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                 




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                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76924 From: Alan Smith Date: 10/31/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: What is the best coal for use with the MTH coal loader #30-9043?
                                                                                                                                                                                                Robert

                                                                                                                                                                                                 I like Brummy’s landscape supply coal.  It comes in different sizes and looks like real coal —- I use it for realist coal loads and in the Seaboard coal loader without any issues.
                                                                                                                                                                                                 It’s made from recycled rubber.  Get yourself a sample and be your own judge.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Al in Hamilton

                                                                                                                                                                                                On Oct 30, 2015, at 11:35 PM, bob.south@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                                I have the following questions about MTH coal #30-50005:


                                                                                                                                                                                                Does the MTH coal look like real coal? 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Is it made of a light weight material or heavy like stone? 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Does the clam shell pick up a reasonable amount of the MTH coal? 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Is the coal large enough that it does not jam the sliding bin emptying mechanism?


                                                                                                                                                                                                The MTH coal #30-50005 just recently became available but I am reluctant to buy it until I know how it works.


                                                                                                                                                                                                I bought coal from Port Lines Hobby Supplies that appears to be pieces of real coal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                The coal is large and heavy. The coal loader clam shell is too light to force itself into the coal pile and only picks up a few pieces. 


                                                                                                                                                                                                I bought Lionel coal #6-12732 from a local dealer. The dealer said other customers use it in place of MTH coal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                The Lionel coal is lightweight but looks like broken up pieces of cylindrical shapes, not realistic looking enough for my customer.


                                                                                                                                                                                                I appreciate the recommendations and comments of anyone with experience with the MTH coal loader.


                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks,


                                                                                                                                                                                                Robert South





                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76925 From: wcbeverly Date: 10/31/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Slim Gauge Guild Open House 11/1 + 11/3


                                                                                                                                                                                                The Slim Gauge Guild Model RR Club would like to invite you to their open house November 1st from 10am to 6pm and Tuesday November 3rd from 6pm to 10pm.

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                The Slim Gauge Guild is located on the South East corner of Raymond and Del Mar in Old Town Pasadena. The address is 300 S. Raymond, Pasadena CA. 91105

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                The club features two layouts in a 2000 sq. ft. basement.


                                                                                                                                                                                                The S/Sn3 layout has a California high country theme with massive mountains and high bridges. The upper level has a West Side Lumber logging scenes.


                                                                                                                                                                                                The HO/HOn3 layout has a Colorado theme and centers around Salida in the 1920s as the track goes up the Black Canyon and enters Cimarron Colorado. From there the track joins the Rio Grande Southern part of the layout with Ophir and the Gallagher Loop.

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Please ask about membership. With membership you will receive a door key that will allow you to come down and run trains or work on the layout whenever you want.

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Come join us. Admission is always free.



                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76926 From: lionely6b Date: 10/31/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: What is the best coal for use with the MTH coal loader #30-9043?
                                                                                                                                                                                                If one can still find it, Life Like No. 1105 coal works perfectly with Gilbert coal loaders. Should work fine with the repros, too. It is a good (smallish) size for S gauge/scale.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Bob Bubeck
                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76927 From: Bill Lane Date: 11/1/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: shell trade

                                                                                                                                                                                                Have a new and complete American Models Trainmaster shell painted as Wabash # 551. Perfect condition.

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Want new complete (with all handrails etc) perfect condition Trainmaster shell ***not painted***.

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Please reply directly to bill@...

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Thank You,
                                                                                                                                                                                                Bill Lane

                                                                                                                                                                                                Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL  & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

                                                                                                                                                                                                See my finished models at:
                                                                                                                                                                                                http://www.lanestrains.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                                                                                                                                                                                                PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                                                                                                                                                                                                (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                                                                                                                                                                                                http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                                                                                                                                                                                                ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                                                                                                                                                                                                The other members are not ALL like me!
                                                                                                                                                                                                http://www.prrths.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

                                                                                                                                                                                                Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                                                                                                                                                                                                http://www.prslhs.com

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76928 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/1/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 01 November 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                                                  "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                                                  When
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sunday, 01 November 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                  05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                  (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Where
                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                                  SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76929 From: rudypenne Date: 11/1/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: hi, looking for SHS truck springs
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Peter try Hoquat Hobbies..Google them You wont find all of their parts on line but ask them. Mike in Ore
                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                  In a message dated 10/29/2015 3:55:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Howdy folks.......looking for SHS freight truck springs....no one I looked at had any???  Lost a few switching hirail wheels to scale. Could use at least a dozen or more. Also:


                                                                                                                                                                                                  have SHS  33" HIGH RAIL WHEEL SETS..... WOULD LIKE TO SELL or TRADE for SHS scale wheels.


                                                                                                                                                                                                  Have AM 33" and 36" high rail WHEEL SETS for sale or TRADE for scale WHEEL SETS.Have a bunch of various SHS and AM AF/LIONEL compatible couplers for sale.




                                                                                                                                                                                                  I have A brand new AF/LIONEL UP 4-6-6-4 in grey livery (arguably one of the best looking paint schemes). Includes original factory shipping carton, never run, have opened box to verify contents. $ 850. Plus S&h and insurance?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  ASSUMED TO BE USED, (not by me) SHS B&O 2-8-0...high rail wheels DC, looks brand new. $ 380. Plus S&h and insurance?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Questions gladly answered, details available if you are seriuosly interested Contact me off the list please!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks, S gaugingly, Peter Loeb


























                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76930 From: traindavid Date: 11/1/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Flyer Chat tonight

                                                                                                                                                                                                  HI All, my ISP at home is down, at least this morning. Tech support said, "Sunday son, might not get to it today".  So, if it's still down when I get home, I won't be there tonight-not because I forgot, or didn't want to be there! Y'all have a great chat!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  David Dewey (traindavid)

                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76931 From: Dr Trains Date: 11/1/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: hi, looking for SHS truck springs
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hi...nice to hear from you, how's the Siskiou train group?
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Great suggestion, I will try writing them...nothing shows on web site


                                                                                                                                                                                                  Peter




                                                                                                                                                                                                  ------------------------------
                                                                                                                                                                                                  On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 11:56 AM PST anormal1@... [S-Trains] wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                                  >Peter try Hoquat Hobbies..Google them You wont find all of their parts on
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >line but ask them. Mike in Ore
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >In a message dated 10/29/2015 3:55:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >Howdy folks.......looking for SHS freight truck springs....no one I looked
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >at had any??? Lost a few switching hirail wheels to scale. Could use at
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >least a dozen or more. Also:
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >have SHS 33" HIGH RAIL WHEEL SETS..... WOULD LIKE TO SELL or TRADE for
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >SHS scale wheels.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >Have AM 33" and 36" high rail WHEEL SETS for sale or TRADE for scale WHEEL
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >SETS.Have a bunch of various SHS and AM AF/LIONEL compatible couplers for
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >sale.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >I have A brand new AF/LIONEL UP 4-6-6-4 in grey livery (arguably one of
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >the best looking paint schemes). Includes original factory shipping carton,
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >never run, have opened box to verify contents. $ 850. Plus S&h and insurance?
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >ASSUMED TO BE USED, (not by me) SHS B&O 2-8-0...high rail wheels DC, looks
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >brand new. $ 380. Plus S&h and insurance?
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >Questions gladly answered, details available if you are seriuosly
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >interested Contact me off the list please!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >Thanks, S gaugingly, Peter Loeb
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76932 From: rudypenne Date: 11/1/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: hi, looking for SHS truck springs
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hi Peter, Waiting for the weekend after Bird day Show.
                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                  In a message dated 11/1/2015 5:23:40 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                                   



                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hi...nice to hear from you, how's the Siskiou train group?
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Great suggestion, I will try writing them...nothing shows on web site

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Peter

                                                                                                                                                                                                  ------------------------------
                                                                                                                                                                                                  On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 11:56 AM PST anormal1@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                                  >Peter try Hoquat Hobbies..Google them You wont find all of their parts on
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >line but ask them. Mike in Ore
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >In a message dated 10/29/2015 3:55:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >Howdy folks.......looking for SHS freight truck springs....no one I looked
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >at had any??? Lost a few switching hirail wheels to scale. Could use at
                                                                                                                                                                                                  >least a dozen or more. Also:
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  >have SHS 33" HIGH RAIL WHEEL SETS..... WOULD LIKE TO SELL or TRADE for
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  >Have AM 33" and 36" high rail WHEEL SETS for sale or TRADE for scale WHEEL
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  >never run, have opened box to verify contents. $ 850. Plus S&h and insurance?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  >Questions gladly answered, details available if you are seriuosly
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76933 From: alevans51 Date: 11/3/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: POWER CONVERTER FOR SMOKER
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I have begun using a DC "buck converter" with a relay to power 6V Lionel smoker elements in my DCC locos.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Lionel smoke elements are stronger and live longer than the factory supplied units.  Also, they smoke incredibly well.  Example- American Models Northern 4-8-4.


                                                                                                                                                                                                  The unit  accepts a simple bridge rectified voltage from the track, usually around 15VDC then is controlled by a relay connected to the DCC decoder.  Turning the adjustable tscrew you set the output voltage to 6VDC.  The buck converter drops the 15VDC voltage down to 6V WITHOUT making tons of heat in the process.  So this is much better than using a huge energy wasting heat producing 5 ohm 25W dropping resistor and possibly burning wires.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am getting these pre-built mini circuits from banggood.com.  They are rated at 5A.  Examples are their XL4015 or their XL4005.  This allows me to set the voltage to the exact value and the circuit itself never gets hot. The device is better than 90%  efficient ! 


                                                                                                                                                                                                  Allen Evans

                                                                                                                                                                                                  New Orleans Public Belt RR

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Covington, Louisiana

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76934 From: zemouse2001 Date: 11/3/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: POWER CONVERTER FOR SMOKER
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks for the info.  To me (as an electrical engineer) it makes a lot of sense. Glad to see that some folks are innovating to solve some old problems!  Neat stuff.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bob Groh
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Blue Springs, Missouri
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76935 From: Ingram-James4-YahooGrps-17701 Date: 11/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Video: S-Gauge DCC Automatic Passing Siding
                                                                                                                                                                                                  -
                                                                                                                                                                                                  ===>THE YOUTUBE VIDEO URL: http://youtu.be/KGTcWJlJkf4


                                                                                                                                                                                                  Video #813: "S-Gauge DCC Automatic Passing Siding".


                                                                                                                                                                                                  * This video #813 shows an NCE DCC "Mini-Panel" and NCE "Power Cab" controlling an S gauge DCC Automatic Passing Siding — that’s operating 2 S-gauge trains..


                                                                                                                                                                                                  * Note you can watch just the first 3 minutes of the video — which is a 4X speed (fast forwarded 4X) OVERVIEW of the 3 demo clips.


                                                                                                                                                                                                  * The “delay” statements in the commands can be adjusted to cause either train to travel single ‘laps” around the loop (DEMO 1), or multiple ‘laps’ around the loop (DEMO 2), before the other train runs.


                                                                                                                                                                                                  * This video also demonstrates “AUTOMATIC ROUTE SELECTION” (DEMO 3) — where just one train is run, and the Mini-Panel causes it to travel two different ROUTES.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76936 From: pickycat95 Date: 11/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: POWER CONVERTER FOR SMOKER

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Allen,

                                                                                                                                                                                                  This seems really cool.  What Lionel part number is the 6V smoker element and does it have an internal fan?  What is the relay that you are using to connect the decoder to the smoke unit?  I've been wanting to convert AM steam locos to DCC and try to add smoke to already converted AM diesels.  With the forth coming Stanton trucks it looks like there could be enough room in the long hoods for sound and smoke.


                                                                                                                                                                                                  This would be a good topic over on the S-Scale list, too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ben Trousdale

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76937 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: ONE EXCHANGE CALL TOMMORROW, Wednesday, 04 November 2015
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76938 From: daleminard Date: 11/5/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: For San Diego County Members - San Diego S-Gaugers Christmas Exhibit

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Dates Open to the Public:            Friday, November 13th thru Sunday, December 27th

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Days Open to the Public:              Friday, Saturday & Sunday (closed Christmas)

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hours Open to the Public:            12 o’clock Noon to 6:00 pm

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Where:                                                 Grossmont Shopping Center, Grossmont Center Dr., La Mesa, CA

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Next door to Panera Bread

                                                                                                                                                                                                    The San Diego S-Gaugers will be displaying our layout in association with Grossmont Center’s Halloween Celebration.  We’ve set up our entire 18 ft. by 33 ft. oval with a 6 ft. by 6 ft. corner extension for the occasion; overall that’s about 1 and 1/10 scale miles in length.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    On two of the corners, the main tracks burrow under mountain ranges and pass a prospering dairy farm on the third corner and an orange grove on the fourth; an extension on the fourth corner contains a turntable and a 5 stall round house (under construction) along with various rail yard track side accessories.  On one side of the layout we have modules that host a rail yard with multiple sidings that serve a passenger station, a coal tower, a sand house, an ice station & icing dock and a citrus packing house.  The modules on the other side host a developing vineyard, a siding with operating trackside action accessories from the A.C. Gilbert era (1946 through 1960s) along with a military air museum with aircraft from WW I, WW II and Korea.  Other modules feature a trestle over a fishing creek, a dairy farm, girder bridges over a creek that flows out of twin lakes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Our window display is 6 ft. by 11 ft. table that holds a folded figure 8 (a loop inside of a loop) that contains a mountain lake, a waterfall, and a rural town with a train station, a motel, and various stores and houses.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Dale Minard

                                                                                                                                                                                                    San Diego S-Gaugers

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76939 From: Ingram-James4-YahooGrps-17701 Date: 11/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: -VIDEO: Wow Toyz Almost S-Gauge Trains
                                                                                                                                                                                                    ===>THE YOUTUBE VIDEO URL: http://youtu.be/xAbyACCzV2k


                                                                                                                                                                                                    * WHY THIS VIDEO:


                                                                                                                                                                                                    I created this Youtube video in an attempt to make other S gauge model railroaders aware of the Wow Toyz brand "Classic Train Sets” -- which are almost the size of S gauge trains.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • My observation is that the Wow Toyz cars will run on S gauge track, but the locomotives will not -- due to the Wow Toyz plastic track being about 1/16" wider gauge between the rails, than standard S gauge track.


                                                                                                                                                                                                    * WHY MIGHT S-GAUGERS BE INTERESTED:


                                                                                                                                                                                                    These inexpensive trains may be of interest to S gaugers for kitbashing, and also as gifts for young children -- since they are close in size to what S gaugers claim is “the ideal model railroad scale”.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                    More FYI Comments:


                                                                                                                                                                                                    The below info is COPIED from the Youtube page


                                                                                                                                                                                                    B. ~~~~~~ ABOUT THIS VIDEO: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|


                                                                                                                                                                                                    * This video examines the “almost S-gauge” sized toy trains marketed by WowToyz.com (believed to be manufactured by a Chinese company named ‘Fenfa’).




                                                                                                                                                                                                    C. ~~~~~~ DESCRIPTION OF TRAINS: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|


                                                                                                                                                                                                    * These Wow Toyz trains are an inexpensive, but nicely-proportioned toy -- made for children, battery powered, with plastic track.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    * These trains have a GAUGE slighty WIDER than S gauge, but the bodies are SMALLER . . . possibly closer to 00 gauge ??
                                                                                                                                                                                                    * The cars will run on S-Helper service track, and can be run very slowly on vintage American Flyer track.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    * The Wow Toyz locomotives will not run on either S gauge track, probably because of their wider gauge and their fast speed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    D. ~~~ TRACK2.COM PICASA PHOTO ALBUM FOR WOW TOYZ TRAINS: ~|


                                                                                                                                                                                                    * http://picasaweb.google.com/108717145547087354301/WowToyz#6213466830980073506 - Track2.com's Picasa Online Photo Album, Showing Wow Toyz Rolling Stock


                                                                                                                                                                                                    E. ~~~~~~ LINKS TO SELLERS PAGES: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|


                                                                                                                                                                                                    * http://wowtoyz.com/pages/trains.html - Wow Toyz webpage for train sets
                                                                                                                                                                                                    * http://f.ua/fenfa/1601a-3b.html - Fenfa webpage showing steam passenger set
                                                                                                                                                                                                    * Separate track-only sets appear to be available on http://MightyToy.com .
                                                                                                                                                                                                    * Also available on Amazon.com and Youtube.com and other sources.


                                                                                                                                                                                                    F. ~~~~~~ LINKS TO SOME SELLERS VIDEOS: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|


                                                                                                                                                                                                    * http://youtu.be/2hO-4Yq-3uw - Wow Toyz video, showing their 3 different sizes of trains. The “almost S-gauge” is the center loop.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    * http://youtu.be/opvBD08SLlM - Lucky Penny Shop’s very detailed description of opening the box and setting up a Wow Toyz steam train.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    * http://youtu.be/xWNtWJun8Yc - Fenfa video showing a steam passenger set in operation.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    * http://youtu.be/SA4Zu6FfUiM - Fenfa video showing a diesel passenger set in operation.


                                                                                                                                                                                                    G. ~~~~~~ LINKS TO OTHER YOUTUBE VIDEOS: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|


                                                                                                                                                                                                    * http://youtu.be/BAfPBhk03r8 - shows 3 loops of Fenfa trains operating
                                                                                                                                                                                                    * http://youtu.be/vUEmQl57CVY - shows inside of the Fenfa steam loco (installing RC control)
                                                                                                                                                                                                    * There are many MORE Youtube videos; search for “Wow Toyz Trains”, “Fenfa Trains”, and similar phrases.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76940 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/7/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 08 November 2015
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76941 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/8/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 08 November 2015
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76942 From: Bill Lane Date: 11/8/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Trainmaster Draft gear completed

                                                                                                                                                                                                        This is 1 before and mostly after on my Trainmaster draft gear. It is a means to an end on just trying to get couplers on this loco, but fixing a major improvement in the looks as well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        It was not my intention to install the parts now. I was going to do it after I stripped the paint. But since I did the frame milling first thing this morning I could not mount any coupler, and run it with a train.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        This is a major departure in my previous draft gear designs. While my printer is good, it is not going to easily made a .010 thick wall tube as the coupler pivot. The 2-56 screw that holds the lid on becomes the coupler pivot. Also, *** I put the centering spring in LAST***. Put the coupler on the lid, slide it in the draft gear, put the screw in, then pop the centering spring in place. That was a 11:00 last night discovery that I could not access to put the spring in. I revised the lid to make a spring access hole. But that is OK because there is not much movement anyway. I could have easily gone without the centering spring. I don’t do delay uncoupling.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I can mostly plan and design but sometimes something pops up I did not consider. I need to see what I have done in place to see what needs to be done.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        It took most of the weekend, about 4 rounds of printing, revising and tweaking until I was happy with it all. The files I have saved now are revised and different than what I used.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have already pulled a train with the new draft gear. Because it is a plug installed from the back it is not going anywhere. Short of a head on collision I have no doubts this will be durable.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Doing the same thing for the American Models S12 is in my medium range plans. I have to measure a S12 draft gear which might be late winter until I can get to it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thank You,
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bill Lane

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL  & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

                                                                                                                                                                                                        See my finished models at:
                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.lanestrains.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                                                                                                                                                                                                        PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                                                                                                                                                                                                        (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                                                                                                                                                                                                        ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                                                                                                                                                                                                        The other members are not ALL like me!
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76943 From: wyoaf Date: 11/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: -VIDEO: Wow Toyz Almost S-Gauge Trains
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thank you posting.  I have never seen or heard of these trains before this.  John Davis Noblesville IN
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76944 From: pickycat95 Date: 11/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: -VIDEO: Wow Toyz Almost S-Gauge Trains

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think I've seen these for sale at a gift/stationary store in Grand Central Station in NYC.  They are very plasticey.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ben Trousdale

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76945 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: WOW TOYZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                        My grand nephew (age six) got one of the WOW TOYZ train sets for his birthday last summer. He loves to come down here to watch my old Flyer stuff run, so his mother thought he should have a train of his own.  


                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes, the cars are about the right size, but they're of European or "freelance" design (I'm being kind there) and the quality is pretty sad.   The coupler on the tender broke the first time they tried to couple the train together.  The train constantly derailed.  The toy was back into the box within 10 minutes. 


                                                                                                                                                                                                        Since "Uncle Stumpy is a train guy," I was asked to figure out what was wrong with the train.  I was able to glue the broken coupler, but even set up on a sheet of extruded Styrofoam, I could not keep it on the track reliably either. About six laps around the layout was all I could get out of it before it derailed again.  My niece e-mailed the seller and was sent a full refund (less shipping) and they didn't want the train back.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        After looking it over at length for possible kit bashing or using parts for something else. I decided it wasn't worth the effort. (And you guys know the lengths I will go to in order to rebuild something from a junk box.)   Many of the plastic parts were poorly made, warped or perhaps misshapen from being kicked out of the injection molding machine way too soon.  The plastic is of a poor quality and easily broken.  I trashed it all.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        My guess is that if you bought several sets, you MIGHT get enough pieces to end up with one complete set that would work at least marginally well. But after spending a hundred or more dollars to buy multiple sets, you'd STILL have one very crude battery powered train set at the end. (It's a "Do you feel lucky" deal.)  The WOW TOYZ train is just another cheezy Chinese product of "bottom of the barrel" quality to separate you from your money.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        Stumpy in Ahia





                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76946 From: lenscap76 Date: 11/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: WOW TOYZ
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thank you Stumpy. Very observant. If I see one at the next train show, I will still at least look at it. Youre probably right and I will stick to kitbashing old Marx or junk Flyer.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76947 From: thecitrusbelt Date: 11/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Layouts Needed: Bakersfield/Tehachapi/Lancaster (Calif.) Tour

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I’ve scheduled a layout tour for March 11, 12 & 13 (Friday-Sunday), 2016, in the Bakersfield/Tehachapi/Lancaster area. This will take place in conjunction with the Golden Empire Historical & Modeling Society Train Show on that same weekend.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        The tour schedule is:

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bakersfield – Friday/Saturday/Sunday

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Tehachapi – Sunday

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Lancaster – Sunday

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        If you have an operating layout I would like you to consider participating in the tour.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Participating in a layout tour is a great way to share your work and meet your fellow model railroaders.  You’ve probably worked hard on your railroad so you might as well get some recognition from people who will appreciate your efforts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        All you need to do is operate your trains.  I will do all the planning and publicity, as I have done for forty-six previously layout tours since 2006. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        If you are interested in opening your railroad for this tour, please contact me (chiefbobbb AT verizon DOT net) by the end of this month. If you have questions before committing to the tour, please also contact me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thank you.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bob Chaparro

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Moderator

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Model Railroads of Southern California

                                                                                                                                                                                                        https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/info

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        +++++

                                                                                                                                                                                                        P.S.: I have been trusted to organize and manage layout tours for a number of organizations. These include:

                                                                                                                                                                                                        2008 National Model Railroad Association National Convention

                                                                                                                                                                                                        2008 Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society National Convention

                                                                                                                                                                                                        2013 National Narrow Gauge Convention

                                                                                                                                                                                                        26th Annual Sn3 Symposium

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Central Coast Railroad Festival (6 Times)

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Pacific Coast Region/NMRA

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Pacific Southwest Region/NMRA (3 Times)

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76948 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 11/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: WOW TOYZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                        And the sad part is that another kid without a train-guy great-uncle would quickly lose interest in that “beginner’s set” and never learn to play with trains.  When I was 5, my old wind-up tinplate train got played with a lot - because it worked.  And so did the AF trains I got a little later.    

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Jerry F.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] RE:WOW TOYZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        My grand nephew (age six) got one of the WOW TOYZ train sets for his birthday last summer. He loves to come down here to watch my old Flyer stuff run, so his mother thought he should have a train of his own.  

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes, the cars are about the right size, but they're of European or "freelance" design (I'm being kind there) and the quality is pretty sad.   The coupler on the tender broke the first time they tried to couple the train together.  The train constantly derailed.  The toy was back into the box within 10 minutes. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Since "Uncle Stumpy is a train guy," I was asked to figure out what was wrong with the train.  I was able to glue the broken coupler, but even set up on a sheet of extruded Styrofoam, I could not keep it on the track reliably either. About six laps around the layout was all I could get out of it before it derailed again.  My niece e-mailed the seller and was sent a full refund (less shipping) and they didn't want the train back.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        After looking it over at length for possible kit bashing or using parts for something else. I decided it wasn't worth the effort. (And you guys know the lengths I will go to in order to rebuild something from a junk box.)   Many of the plastic parts were poorly made, warped or perhaps misshapen from being kicked out of the injection molding machine way too soon.  The plastic is of a poor quality and easily broken.  I trashed it all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        My guess is that if you bought several sets, you MIGHT get enough pieces to end up with one complete set that would work at least marginally well. But after spending a hundred or more dollars to buy multiple sets, you'd STILL have one very crude battery powered train set at the end. (It&! #39;s a "Do you feel lucky" deal.)  The WOW TOYZ train is just another cheezy Chinese product of "bottom of the barrel" quality to separate you from your money.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76949 From: George Dines Date: 11/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Michigan's Largest Train Show, Sunday, November 15, 2015!
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Train Enthusiasts!
                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Escape the cold fall weather by getting steamed up for Michigan’s largest model train show. The enormous Lansing Train Show and Sale will be held at the Michigan State University Pavilion on Sunday, November 15 from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                        If you have attended our show in the past then you know how great a show this is: 
                                                                                                                                                                                                        - Largest Train Show in Michigan
                                                                                                                                                                                                        - Live NMRA demonstrations of layout techniques
                                                                                                                                                                                                        - Visiting layouts from Z to G scales including traction (trolleys) and the award winning Peninsular Modular Railroad Club
                                                                                                                                                                                                        - Adults $6, under 12 and Scouts in uniform FREE
                                                                                                                                                                                                        - Location: Michigan State University Pavilion, 4301 Farm Lane, East Lansing, MI, 48824
                                                                                                                                                                                                        - Free Parking

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Contact Dennis Morley at (989) 723-2870, George Dines (517) 290-9652, or visit www.lmrc.org for more information. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bring the kids (or grandkids) for a great family event.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        We hope to see you there,
                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Lansing Model Railroad Club
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76950 From: scaler164 Date: 11/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: S-Helper Service AF Coplers And Wheels For Sale
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have the following SHS AF couplers and wheels that need a new home :
                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                             4 - AF Couplers
                                                                                                                                                                                                             8 - Hi-Rail Wheel Sets
                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Attached photo available upon request if not viewable on your end.
                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Asking $20 and I cover shipping.
                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Contact me if interested.
                                                                                                                                                                                                         
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks.
                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                        John Degnan
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76951 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: S-Helper Service AF Coplers And Wheels For Sale [1 Attachment]

                                                                                                                                                                                                        John, If these are not spoken for already, I will take them. I do have a Paypal account. Larry Moore 49 Whitt Rd Weaverville, NC 28787. I will be away from my desk most of the day and will be back home late this afternoon, if you reply to this message. Thanks, Larry

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 10:54 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper Service AF Coplers And Wheels For Sale [1 Attachment]

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have the following SHS AF couplers and wheels that need a new home :

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                             4 - AF Couplers

                                                                                                                                                                                                             8 - Hi-Rail Wheel Sets

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Attached photo available upon request if not viewable on your end.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Asking $20 and I cover shipping.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Contact me if interested.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Preferred forms of payment : PayPal or Money Order

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Please include (or send direct) your mailing address if you use PayPal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        John Degnan
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Scaler164@...

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76952 From: aztecfan Date: 11/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Polar Express question.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I assume the Polar Express will run on DC. I picked up a used Power Pack to be able to run all the cars.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Jim Sleeth


                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76953 From: Ingram-James-15-YahooGroups-2015 Date: 11/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: WOW TOYZ
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hi Stumpy -


                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have to report a somewhat different experience than you had, with your set of the Wow Toyz trains.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        They may have improved since you got yours, or maybe you got a bad batch.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        ~~~~~~~~ 1. STAYING ON THE TRACK: ~~~~~~~~


                                                                                                                                                                                                        ** On their own track running on my ping-pong table, my two Wow Toyz train sets (purchased from 2 different locations) showed NO signs of derailing -- even travelling through the turnouts -- as was (hopefully) demonstrated in the video.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        The cars (not the locos) also stayed on the S-Helper track fine when run in the FORWARD direction -- as was (hopefully) also demonstrated in the video.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        If I tried to run the Wow Toyz cars BACKWARDS through the turnouts on the S-Helper track, THEN they did derail. But forward was fine.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        ~~~~~~~~ 2. QUALITY: ~~~~~~~~


                                                                                                                                                                                                        ** I handled these trains with the same respect that I handle my S-Helper trains, and had no problem with anything breaking.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        ** As the photos in the Google Picasa photo gallery linked from the video page ( http://picasaweb.google.com/108717145547087354301/WowToyz ) hopefully showed, there were no parts I would call "miss-shapened".
                                                                                                                                                                                                        In my opinion, the cars have a decent appearance. The bodies are just scaled closer to OO scale than S scale.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        I believe they only make just the 3 different car designs shown in the video: the passenger car, the red bulk tank car, and the gray flat car with the 2 container loads.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        When I watched all the other Youtube videos showing these trains, I only saw these 3 different types of cars.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        Likewise, they appear to make just those two locos shown in the video: 1 steam engine and 1 diesel.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think they are doing 'cost-cutting by standardization'.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        ~~~~~~~~ 3. THE PREDICTED LIFESPAN OF A WOW TOYZ SET:~~~~~~~~


                                                                                                                                                                                                        Since these are sold in museum gift shops, I'm thinking that they are often bought sort of an inexpensive impulse purchase for young kids -- who are enthusiastic about trains after have just completed a tour of a train museum.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm guessing a lot of the sets MAY IN FACT end up in the TRASH -- as they would probably NOT be sturdy enough to survive rough handling from a young child playing with them unsupervised.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        At a retail price of $13.98 for the 1-car set that includes an oval of track, all you have to do is add 2 AA batteries (not included) to have a running "almost S-gauge" train with lights and sound -- for as long as the train lasts.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        So these sets can provide the "immediate 'almost-S-gauge' gratification" pleasure -- for about the same price as a family visit to a McDonalds restaurant.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        =====>> The think the description " another cheezy Chinese product of 'bottom of the barrel' quality" can be applied, if you want to be critical. You just have to consider the price versus the limitations. Like them or not, I think it's impressive engineering that they have succeeded in including all the "features" at such a low price. The passenger cars even have seats :-) .


                                                                                                                                                                                                        ~~~~~~~~ 4. HOW LONG WILL THE LOCOS' DRIVE GEARS LAST ??: ~~~~~~~~


                                                                                                                                                                                                        A more ambitious researcher might investigate this question: How long will the Wow Toyz drive gears last -- when the train is run continuously.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        The video at http://youtu.be/vUEmQl57CVY shows the inside of the steam loco, and shows the gear train (the reviewer is installing RC control).
                                                                                                                                                                                                        It looks at least "halfway decent" to me.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        ** I'm guessing they use the same drive train for the diesel as they do for the steam engine.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        As I tried to show in the video in Part 11 "examing the locos", the diesel's drive axle does not rotate about the vertical axis like a normal diesel. They designed it so the truck rotates around the fixed axle -- which is somewhat of a "gimmicky" way of doing it.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm guessing that this is also probably cost-cutting -- to be able use the SAME drive gear system for "all" their locos.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                        On Nov 12, 2015, at 9:00 AM, mr stumpy [S-Trains] wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                                        > My grand nephew (age six) got one of the WOW TOYZ train sets for his birthday last summer. He loves to come down here to watch my old Flyer stuff run, so his mother thought he should have a train of his own.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                                        > Yes, the cars are about the right size, but they're of European or "freelance" design (I'm being kind there) and the quality is pretty sad. The coupler on the tender broke the first time they tried to couple the train together. The train constantly derailed. The toy was back into the box within 10 minutes.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                                        > Since "Uncle Stumpy is a train guy," I was asked to figure out what was wrong with the train. I was able to glue the broken coupler, but even set up on a sheet of extruded Styrofoam, I could not keep it on the track reliably either. About six laps around the layout was all I could get out of it before it derailed again. My niece e-mailed the seller and was sent a full refund (less shipping) and they didn't want the train back.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                                        > After looking it over at length for possible kit bashing or using parts for something else. I decided it wasn't worth the effort. (And you guys know the lengths I will go to in order to rebuild something from a junk box.) Many of the plastic parts were poorly made, warped or perhaps misshapen from being kicked out of the injection molding machine way too soon. The plastic is of a poor quality and easily broken. I trashed it all.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                                        > My guess is that if you bought several sets, you MIGHT get enough pieces to end up with one complete set that would work at least marginally well. But after spending a hundred or more dollars to buy multiple sets, you'd STILL have one very crude battery powered train set at the end. (It's a "Do you feel lucky" deal.) The WOW TOYZ train is just another cheezy Chinese product of "bottom of the barrel" quality to separate you from your money.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        >
                                                                                                                                                                                                        >
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        > Stumpy in Ahia
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76954 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 11/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Model Railroader 75th Anniversary Disk
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I would like to know if anyone has the Model Railroader 75th Anniversary CD/DVD that they might sell or make  copies of  certain drawings and email to me. I would appreciate it very much.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Kalispell, MT
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76955 From: kris_kaonis Date: 11/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: For sale PBL Standard Gauge Climax

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hello


                                                                                                                                                                                                        For Sale


                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sixty Ton Two Truck Standard Gauge Climax with DCC, Holmes Eureka Lumber Co. #4,  no weathering, never been out of box.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sixty Ton Two Truck Standard Gauge Climax #2, with DCC, no weathering, never been out of box.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        $2000.00 each or 3800.00 for both.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        plus shipping and insurance.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks for looking.



                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76956 From: racin510 Date: 11/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: WOW TOYZ
                                                                                                                                                                                                        If you check out the reviews on Amazon's site you will find a majority have had the Stumpy experience; typical China quality control issue?
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76957 From: James Lyle Date: 11/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: WOW TOYZ
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Have to agree to short product line, as a dealer ( in hospital at the moment ) I make my plea once a year with WOW and sell available product.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Nice product it is.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Jim Lyle


                                                                                                                                                                                                        Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                                                                        On Nov 13, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Ingram-James-15-YahooGroups-2015 ingram17701@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hi Stumpy -


                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have to report a somewhat different experience than you had, with your set of the Wow Toyz trains.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        They may have improved since you got yours, or maybe you got a bad batch.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        ~~~~~~~~ 1. STAYING ON THE TRACK: ~~~~~~~~


                                                                                                                                                                                                        ** On their own track running on my ping-pong table, my two Wow Toyz train sets (purchased from 2 different locations) showed NO signs of derailing -- even travelling through the turnouts -- as was (hopefully) demonstrated in the video.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        The cars (not the locos) also stayed on the S-Helper track fine when run in the FORWARD direction  -- as was (hopefully) also demonstrated in the video.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        If I tried to run the Wow Toyz cars BACKWARDS through the turnouts on the S-Helper track, THEN they did derail.  But forward was fine.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        ~~~~~~~~ 2. QUALITY: ~~~~~~~~


                                                                                                                                                                                                        ** I handled these trains with the same respect that I handle my S-Helper trains, and had no problem with anything breaking.   


                                                                                                                                                                                                        ** As the photos in the Google Picasa photo gallery linked from the video page ( http://picasaweb.google.com/108717145547087354301/WowToyz )  hopefully showed, there were no parts I would call "miss-shapened".
                                                                                                                                                                                                        In my opinion, the cars have a decent appearance.  The bodies are just scaled closer to OO scale than S scale.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        I believe they only make just the 3 different car designs shown in the video:  the passenger car, the red bulk tank car, and the gray flat car with the 2 container loads.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        When I watched all the other Youtube videos showing these trains, I only saw these 3 different types of cars.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        Likewise, they appear to make just those two locos shown in the video: 1 steam engine and 1 diesel.  
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think they are doing 'cost-cutting by standardization'.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        ~~~~~~~~ 3. THE PREDICTED LIFESPAN OF A WOW TOYZ SET:~~~~~~~~


                                                                                                                                                                                                        Since these are sold in museum gift shops, I'm thinking that they are often bought sort of an inexpensive impulse purchase for young kids -- who are enthusiastic about trains after have just completed a tour of a train museum.   


                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm guessing a lot of the sets MAY IN FACT end up in the TRASH -- as they would probably NOT be sturdy enough to survive rough handling from a young child playing with them unsupervised.  


                                                                                                                                                                                                        At a retail price of $13.98 for the 1-car set that includes an oval of track, all you have to do is add 2 AA batteries (not included) to have a running "almost S-gauge" train with lights and sound  -- for as long as the train lasts.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        So these sets can provide the "immediate 'almost-S-gauge' gratification" pleasure -- for about the same price as a family visit to a McDonalds restaurant.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        =====>> The think the description " another cheezy Chinese product of 'bottom of the barrel' quality" can be applied, if you want to be critical.  You just have to consider the price versus the limitations.   Like them or not, I think it's impressive engineering that they have succeeded in including all the "features"  at such a low price.  The passenger cars even have seats  :-)  .


                                                                                                                                                                                                        ~~~~~~~~ 4. HOW LONG WILL THE LOCOS' DRIVE GEARS LAST ??: ~~~~~~~~


                                                                                                                                                                                                        A more ambitious researcher might investigate this question:   How long will the Wow Toyz drive gears last -- when the train is run continuously.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        The video at  http://youtu.be/vUEmQl57CVY  shows the inside of the steam loco, and shows the gear train (the reviewer is installing RC control).
                                                                                                                                                                                                        It looks at least "halfway decent" to me.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        ** I'm guessing they use the same drive train for the diesel as they do for the steam engine.  
                                                                                                                                                                                                        As I tried to show in the video in Part  11 "examing the locos", the diesel's drive axle does not rotate about the vertical axis like a normal diesel.  They designed it so the truck rotates around the fixed axle -- which is somewhat of a "gimmicky" way of doing it.  


                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm guessing that this is also probably cost-cutting -- to be able use the SAME drive gear system for "all" their locos.  


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                                                                                                                                                                                                        On Nov 12, 2015, at 9:00 AM, mr stumpy [S-Trains] wrote:



                                                                                                                                                                                                        My grand nephew (age six) got one of the WOW TOYZ train sets for his birthday last summer. He loves to come down here to watch my old Flyer stuff run, so his mother thought he should have a train of his own.  



                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes, the cars are about the right size, but they're of European or "freelance" design (I'm being kind there) and the quality is pretty sad.   The coupler on the tender broke the first time they tried to couple the train together.  The train constantly derailed.  The toy was back into the box within 10 minutes.



                                                                                                                                                                                                        Since "Uncle Stumpy is a train guy," I was asked to figure out what was wrong with the train.  I was able to glue the broken coupler, but even set up on a sheet of extruded Styrofoam, I could not keep it on the track reliably either. About six laps around the layout was all I could get out of it before it derailed again.  My niece e-mailed the seller and was sent a full refund (less shipping) and they didn't want the train back.



                                                                                                                                                                                                        After looking it over at length for possible kit bashing or using parts for something else. I decided it wasn't worth the effort. (And you guys know the lengths I will go to in order to rebuild something from a junk box.)   Many of the plastic parts were poorly made, warped or perhaps misshapen from being kicked out of the injection molding machine way too soon.  The plastic is of a poor quality and easily broken.  I trashed it all.



                                                                                                                                                                                                        My guess is that if you bought several sets, you MIGHT get enough pieces to end up with one complete set that would work at least marginally well. But after spending a hundred or more dollars to buy multiple sets, you'd STILL have one very crude battery powered train set at the end. (It's a "Do you feel lucky" deal.)  The WOW TOYZ train is just another cheezy Chinese product of "bottom of the barrel" quality to separate you from your money.



                                                                                                                                                                                                        Stumpy in Ahia

















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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 76958 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 15 November 2015
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                                                                                                                                                                                                          SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76959 From: bud9351 Date: 11/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: WOW TOYZ
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Stumpy,  
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sorry to hear you are laid up at the moment and in the hospital. I have to ask though, I thought you had recently mentioned you had some affiliation with Wardie Jay kits? I have a friend in O scale looking for WJ kits.
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bud Rindfleisch
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76960 From: Tom Date: 11/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Lionel Berkshire Locomotives
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Well folks,


                                                                                                                                                                                                          I just returned from Trainfest in Milwaukee today where I spoke to a Lionel representative about the status of the new Berkshire locomotives. He said they were “shipped” on November 11 and are scheduled for arrival at the distributors on December 14th. He said that they have a “good chance” of arrival by Christmas for each of us who have ordered them. We shall see but that is the company line at this point.


                                                                                                                                                                                                          I also asked about how the new “stand alone” locomotives differ from the Polar Express locomotives. He said they are identical except that they have coil couplers and have a slightly different pilot truck. Again, we shall see but that’s what Lionel says for our consumption right now.


                                                                                                                                                                                                          Tom
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76961 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: WOW TOYZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm afraid you have Jim and I mixed up.  He's in the hospital, I'm still running (well walking actually) amok in Appalachia. 


                                                                                                                                                                                                          As for the WOW TOYZ train set, I can only report what my experience was.  Actually, it is QUITE possible that some of these are a decent product, especially at the low price point.   The wide variation of quality is widespread in Chinese manufacture.   Bachmann Trains has struggled with this for many years and the company (actually Kader Toy headquartered in Hong Kong) is rumored to be in financial trouble now. 


                                                                                                                                                                                                          From what I have read, Chinese manufacturers simply see toys and hobbies as "throw away" products because of the low price point (although a lot of hobby stuff is very expensive when it gets here.)   Therefore these products are made in plants with the least skilled people and marginal equipment unless "special arrangements" are made otherwise.  


                                                                                                                                                                                                          As stated, it is too bad that unlike my own childhood which began with a Marx wind up, progressed to American Flyer, then HO and others, my grand nephew and other current kids, would be put off by WOW TOYZ trains.  At a point in history where "hands on" skills are being lost by youth, this is a great disservice to the future of our hobby, AND the future of our nation.


                                                                                                                                                                                                          Stumpy in Ahia  ...that's Eastern Ohio in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains for y'all more cosmopolitan folks. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 76962 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 15 November 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Attachments :
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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sunday, 15 November 2015
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                                                                                                                                                                                                            (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                                            SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76963 From: James Lyle Date: 11/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: WOW TOYZ
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Amok ain't bad buddy.
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Be well.
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jim


                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                                                                            On Nov 15, 2015, at 10:22 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm afraid you have Jim and I mixed up.  He's in the hospital, I'm still running (well walking actually) amok in Appalachia. 


                                                                                                                                                                                                            As for the WOW TOYZ train set, I can only report what my experience was.  Actually, it is QUITE possible that some of these are a decent product, especially at the low price point.   The wide variation of quality is widespread in Chinese manufacture.   Bachmann Trains has struggled with this for many years and the company (actually Kader Toy headquartered in Hong Kong) is rumored to be in financial trouble now. 


                                                                                                                                                                                                            From what I have read, Chinese manufacturers simply see toys and hobbies as "throw away" products because of the low price point (although a lot of hobby stuff is very expensive when it gets here.)   Therefore these products are made in plants with the least skilled pe ople and marginal equipment unless "special arrangements" are made otherwise.  


                                                                                                                                                                                                            As stated, it is too bad that unlike my own childhood which began with a Marx wind up, progressed to American Flyer, then HO and others, my grand nephew and other current kids, would be put off by WOW TOYZ trains.  At a point in history where "hands on" skills are being lost by youth, this is a great disservice to the future of our hobby, AND the future of our nation.


                                                                                                                                                                                                            Stumpy in Ahia  ...that's Eastern Ohio in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains for y'all more cosmopolitan folks. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76964 From: William Lewis Date: 11/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: WOW TOYZ
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Get well soon Jim. 


                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® III


                                                                                                                                                                                                            -------- Original message --------
                                                                                                                                                                                                            From: "James Lyle WJJIM@... [S-Trains]"
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Date:11/15/2015 5:48 PM (GMT-06:00)
                                                                                                                                                                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:WOW TOYZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Amok ain't bad buddy.
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Be well.
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jim


                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                                                                            On Nov 15, 2015, at 10:22 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm afraid you have Jim and I mixed up.  He's in the hospital, I'm still running (well walking actually) amok in Appalachia. 


                                                                                                                                                                                                            As for the WOW TOYZ train set, I can only report what my experience was.  Actually, it is QUITE possible that some of these are a decent product, especially at the low price point.   The wide variation of quality is widespread in Chinese manufacture.   Bachmann Trains has struggled with this for many years and the company (actually Kader Toy headquartered in Hong Kong) is rumored to be in financial trouble now. 


                                                                                                                                                                                                            From what I have read, Chinese manufacturers simply see toys and hobbies as "throw away" products because of the low price point (although a lot of hobby stuff is very expensive when it gets here.)   Therefore these products are made in plants with the least skilled pe ople and marginal equipment unless "special arrangements" are made otherwise.  


                                                                                                                                                                                                            As stated, it is too bad that unlike my own childhood which began with a Marx wind up, progressed to American Flyer, then HO and others, my grand nephew and other current kids, would be put off by WOW TOYZ trains.  At a point in history where "hands on" skills are being lost by youth, this is a great disservice to the future of our hobby, AND the future of our nation.


                                                                                                                                                                                                            Stumpy in Ahia  ...that's Eastern Ohio in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains for y'all more cosmopolitan folks. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76965 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Uploaded by : traindavid <djdewey@...>
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Description : tried to past two pics together, didn't quite work!


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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76966 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Uploaded by : traindavid <djdewey@...>
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Description : Motor unit & B unit, motor unit is still not completely together.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76967 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Description : B Unit & trailing A, which actually is still in pieces, just set the parts on the track for the picture!


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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76968 From: tennsgauger Date: 11/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Lionel Berkshire Locomotives
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Does anyone know how readily these locomotives can be converted to DCC?
                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                            I helped run S trains at Nashville's annual Whistlestop Weekend that ended last night.  There was an O scale 3-rail Nickel Plate Berkshire that looked absolutely fabulous repainted as an L&N M-1 Berkshire, even though there are significant differences in the appearance of those locomotives. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                               -  Earl Henry, Nashville
                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                            In a message dated 11/14/2015 8:20:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well folks,

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I just returned from Trainfest in Milwaukee today where I spoke to a Lionel representative about the status of the new Berkshire locomotives. He said they were “shipped” on November 11 and are scheduled for arrival at the distributors on December 14th. He said that they have a “good chance” of arrival by Christmas for each of us who have ordered them. We shall see but that is the company line at this point.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I also asked about how the new “stand alone” locomotives differ from the Polar Express locomotives. He said they are identical except that they have coil couplers and have a slightly different pilot truck. Again, we shall see but that’s what Lionel says for our consumption right now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Tom

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76969 From: Bill Clark Date: 11/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Lionel Berkshire Locomotives
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi Earl,

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'd consider running it as it comes, with its own control. Otherwise, the basic conversion shouldn't be a problem, as its a single motor. Only question would be syncing chuff and smoke. Some decoders have that facility, but I've never tried it. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bill

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sent from my iPhone

                                                                                                                                                                                                            On Nov 16, 2015, at 12:21 PM, tennsgauge@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Does anyone know how readily these locomotives can be converted to DCC?
                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                            I helped run S trains at Nashville's annual Whistlestop Weekend that ended last night.  There was an O scale 3-rail Nickel Plate Berkshire that looked absolutely fabulous repainted as an L&N M-1 Berkshire, even though there are significant differences in the appearance of those locomotives. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                               -  Earl Henry, Nashville
                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                            In a message dated 11/14/2015 8:20:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well folks,

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I just returned from Trainfest in Milwaukee today where I spoke to a Lionel representative about the status of the new Berkshire locomotives. He said they were “shipped” on November 11 and are scheduled for arrival at the distributors on December 14th. He said that they have a “good chance” of arrival by Christmas for each of us who have ordered them. We shall see but that is the company line at this point.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I also asked about how the new “stand alone” locomotives differ from the Polar Express locomotives. He said they are identical except that they have coil couplers and have a slightly different pilot truck. Again, we shall see but that’s what Lionel says for our consumption right now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Tom

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76970 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: For sale: 20515 train set, trestles, switches, lots more
                                                                                                                                                                                                            All items are being offered on a make-offer basis; prices given are my personal assessment of book value adjusted  for condition. They are not firm, fixed asking prices. You know the expression: make me an offer I can't refuse!

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Pictures and further details are available upon request.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            20515 train set in its original box. Everything in the set is original except for the manual uncoupler and drawbar between the locomotive and tender; both were missing and I have provided replacements. The original instruction sheet is included. The engine and cars all have working knuckle couplers. The 21085 Pacific locomotive runs well and reverses reliably. Part of the lettering on one side is faded. The set includes four cars: gondola with canister load, flat car with wheel load, Industrial Brownhoist crane car, and work and boom car. There are two pieces of straight track and 12 curves, one  manual uncoupler, a track terminal, and 40 Watt transformer. And I'm throwing in two wires to hook it up. The train set is in TCA C-6 Very Good condition, but the box is pretty much the worse for wear, almost complete, but with tears and some delamination The red and black printing are hardly faded at all and the box can still be used to store the contents, though not securely enough for shipping. I'd rate the box somewhere between TCA P-4 Fair and C-5 Good. The 2012 TM Guide lists the set at $300; I think $200 is a fair adjustment for condition.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            315 Pacific steam locomotive. Cosmetically, it is in strong TCA C-6 Very Good to C-7 Excellent condition.  Like most of these engines, the jewels are missing. At the moment it isn't running; the E-unit sticks and there is no power to the locomotive. The wheels need cleaning and it needs lubrication. I will offer you the option of buying it as-is or i'll get it running for you and increase the price as appropriate to the necessary repairs. $225.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            780 Orange trestle set, complete and in legitimate TCA C-7 Excellent to C-8 Like New condition. No box or paperwork. $15.00

                                                                                                                                                                                                            26790 black trestle set, complete and in legitimate TCA C-7 Excellent to C-8 Like New condition. No box or paperwork. This is the new design made in the 1960s that will work with either conventional track or Pikemaster track. $25.00

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Pair of 720A switches with controller. I have a large number of these switches; all have had missing or burned out lightbulbs and screws replaced; All have been tested and work properly in both two-train mode and regular mode. Similarly, I have a large number of controllers with working lightbulbs, though some are scratched to varying degrees. Some have short wires and some have longer wires; let me know the length that you need for your application and I will send you a controller with sufficient wire. Sorry, no boxes or paperwork. $30.00 to $50.00 depending on condition and length of wire.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Pair of 722A manual switches. Sorry, no paperwork or box. C-6 $14.00

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Pair of 26744 manual switches in original box. No paperwork. C-7 $28.00

                                                                                                                                                                                                            And there's a lot more on my website:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    <http://thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_S_Scale.html>
                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bob Graves
                                                                                                                                                                                                            TheGilbertGallery.org
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76972 From: alevans51 Date: 11/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: POWER CONVERTER FOR SMOKER
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Lionel sells the 6 ohm smoker element for about $2.00.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Part #   91RES66OHM 

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Smoke Resistor  6 ohm 5% 2 WATT

                                                                                                                                                                                                            You can also find sharks selling them on ebay.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Do not wrap the wick over the top of the element.  Instead, make a bed for the element to nestle into.
                                                                                                                                                                                                            You will need plenty of wick  and cram it in.  Press the smoker with circuit board into the bed.


                                                                                                                                                                                                            Allen Evans
                                                                                                                                                                                                            New Orleans Public Belt RR
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Covington, Louisiana
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76973 From: hhisgauger Date: 11/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: For Sale: Engines & Rolling Stock-Take a look!

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bought new and stored in smoke free home...NIB unless otherwise noted..let me know if you are interested...


                                                                                                                                                                                                            1-1997 TC AF Rio Grande Boxcar 6-48204 $35

                                                                                                                                                                                                            2-British Columbia Tank Car           6-48403   $30

                                                                                                                                                                                                            3-NASG 2002 Cook Pain & Varnish 6-48228  $40

                                                                                                                                                                                                            4-NASG 1998 Magnolia Tank Car   6-48211  $40

                                                                                                                                                                                                            5-Gilbert Chemical Car 6-48407 $30

                                                                                                                                                                                                            6-GP-9 Southern Diesel 4-8458 $99 LN

                                                                                                                                                                                                            7-Gilberst Grade A Milk Tank Car 6-48239   $90

                                                                                                                                                                                                            8-Philadelphia Quartz Tank Car     6-48421   $30

                                                                                                                                                                                                            9-TTOS Smokey the Bear Box       6-48256    $75

                                                                                                                                                                                                            10-Sante Fe Crane Car         6-49012    $35

                                                                                                                                                                                                            11-Penn Salt Tank Car         6-48402    $45

                                                                                                                                                                                                            12-Missouri Pacific Box Car 6-48312   $35

                                                                                                                                                                                                            13-TTOS 2002 Salt Lake Route Box 6-48225   $40 

                                                                                                                                                                                                            14-GReat Northern Electric 6-048038 $200

                                                                                                                                                                                                            15-Boston & Maine GP-7 4-8350     $225

                                                                                                                                                                                                            shipping $7

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76974 From: alevans51 Date: 11/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: SMOKER ELEMENT POWER ALTERNATIVE



                                                                                                                                                                                                            The buck converter module comes preset to 13.6VDC, so you have to connect to the bridge rectifier then use a multimeter as you turn the adjuster screw.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I am surprised how cool the buck converter operates.  Only mildly warm with direct connection to the smoker element, which needs 6 volts while drawing about 1.5 amp.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            The size of the buck converter is also quite small.  In reality, it is a switched power supply that pulses the smoker element and about 150KHZ.  Amazingly efficient.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Allen Evans
                                                                                                                                                                                                            New Orleans Public Belt RR
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Covington, Louisiana

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Je Suis Paris


                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76975 From: bphent Date: 11/20/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: SceniKing production is ending


                                                                                                                                                                                                            BPH Enterprises is ending production

                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      First introduced almost twelve years ago, the SceniKing brand of model railway backdrop products enjoys world-wide recognition among model railroaders. Circumstances complicated by medical issues now force us to end production and distribution of SceniKing Backdrop Kits and Roll Outs before the end of 2015. We will continue to fill wholesale and retail orders until remaining inventory is exhausted, but no later than December 18, 2015.

                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thank you to all those progressive retailers who made us part of their business and to the thousands of modelers who have included our products when planning their railroad empires.

                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Les and Janet Mavor,

                                                                                                                                                                                                            BPH Enterprises,

                                                                                                                                                                                                            4 Palmer Drive,

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Barrie, ON L4M 6V9

                                                                                                                                                                                                            CANADA  

                                                                                                                                                                                                            705-739-4878

                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                            www.sceniking.com

                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        . . . nothing compares . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                             


                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 76976 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/21/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 22 November 2015
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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sunday, 22 November 2015
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                                                                                                                                                                                                              (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Where
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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                                              SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 76977 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/22/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 22 November 2015
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Where
                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76978 From: elist@ribbonrail.com Date: 11/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: December/January 2016 The S Scale Resource Magazine is Ready
                                                                                                                                                                                                                The new issue of The S Scale Resource is now on line. Free to read and download.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://sscaleresource.com/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                St. Louis S Fest
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Finishing Up Projects
                                                                                                                                                                                                                The Minnesota Heartland
                                                                                                                                                                                                                A Quonset Style Building
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Some Thoughts On Weathering
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Who Says We Can’t Mix Scales?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                And Much More…

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks for reading and tell your friends!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Regards,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Daniel Dawdy
                                                                                                                                                                                                                -
                                                                                                                                                                                                                The Model Railroad Resource LLC
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://oscaleresource.com/ and    http://sscaleresource.com/
                                                                                                                                                                                                                All outbound mail from rrp is virus scanned for your protection

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 76979 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Century link 800 244 1111, Tuesday, 24 November 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "Century link 800 244 1111" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  When
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tuesday, 24 November 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  05:00 AM to 05:30 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Where
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  623 875 4357
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  From
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  S-Trains   Calendar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76980 From: traindavid Date: 11/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Chris Burger's layout on CTTs wesite
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  those of you with high-speed connections can watch this video of Chris'
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  layout. I can't until I get my laptop to a wifi location!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://links.mkt746.com/ctt?kn=20&ms=MjQwNzM2ODIS1&r=MTE2MDY5NDczNjU5S0&b=0&j=NjgyNDIzMTgxS0&mt=1&rt=0
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I hope that link works!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  S'incerely,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  David Dewey
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Here's another link to it, in case that one doesn't work:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://links.mkt746.com/ctt?kn=38&ms=MjQwNzM2ODIS1&r=MTE2MDY5NDczNjU5S0&b=0&j=NjgyNDIzMTgxS0&mt=1&rt=0
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76981 From: SnSTrains@... Date: 11/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Thanksgiving
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  S-'n-S Trains
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Boise, Idaho 83704
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Phone 208-376-1159
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  www.snstrains.com

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76982 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Thanksgiving
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thank you, Steve, and I add my best wishes to all the group as well. I got a "Merry Christmas" message from my oldest son this morning, with a picture of the snow on their back deck. It's cold here in San Diego, too, (by our standards!), but not like that. My wife and I are going out for a walk in the sunshine. My grandchildren are thankful for their snow and I'm thankful for no snow! (And friends, and family, and trains, and a lot of other stuff.) Happy Thanksgiving.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bob Graves
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  TheGilbertGallery.org


                                                                                                                                                                                                                  From: "SnSTrains@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 9:22 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] Thanksgiving

                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  S-'n-S Trains
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Boise, Idaho 83704
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Phone 208-376-1159
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  www.snstrains.com



                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76983 From: bill hoglund Date: 11/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Thanksgiving
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Happy Thanksgiving!



                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On Thursday, November 26, 2015 11:22 AM, "SnSTrains@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  S-'n-S Trains
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Boise, Idaho 83704
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Phone 208-376-1159
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  www.snstrains.com



                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76984 From: Bill Lane Date: 11/27/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: American Flyer trucks for sale
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Attachments :

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I have 12) new American Flyer trucks for sale. They are from 3 sets worth of the TTX spine cars. See photo. I converted them to run on scale track.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2 couplers were broken while still in the box. I threw them out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Make me an offer. PayPal capable on your part is much preferred.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thank You,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bill Lane

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL  & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  See my finished models at:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.lanestrains.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The other members are not ALL like me!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.prrths.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.prslhs.com

                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 76985 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/28/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 29 November 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    When
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sunday, 29 November 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Where
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76986 From: allscalerails Date: 11/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: All Scale Rails Issue #5 Nov / Dec 2015

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    All Scale Rails Issue #5  Nov / Dec 2015

                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.allscalerails.com/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                     


                                                                                                                                                                                                                     


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Included in this issue:  Profile of a True Ambassador Jerry Brettschneider, Soo Line #1003 Wisconsin's Fire Breather, Milwaukee-N-Southeastern's N Scale Club Layout, Lucin Cutoff, Traction Circle Word Puzzle, C&O Thurmond Dept in Thurmond West Virginia Blueprints, News & New Products, Snap Shots and much more!


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 76987 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 29 November 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      When
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sunday, 29 November 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Where
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      S-Trains   Calendar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76988 From: rfalzini Date: 11/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Bill Tuft's book
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I recently have been scanning all of my Flyer books for safe keeping..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have a copy of the book by Bill Tufts, and unfortunately I have not been able to scan my Tufts book do to the size of my scanner and the book is not able to lay down properly on the scanner in any given direction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was wondering if any member here has the book in a digital format and would be willing to send their file to me?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kindest regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Rich


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76989 From: Carey Probst Date: 11/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: GG-1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Anyone have a GG-1 they might want to part with?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Condition not especially important but looking for one as a type.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      thanks


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Carey Probst
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76990 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 11/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi Rich,  His name is Bob not Bill.  The book has copy writes.  The book comes up for sale on ebay from time to time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Harwood



                                                                                                                                                                                                                      -----Original Message-----
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2015 2:34 pm
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I recently have been scanning all of my Flyer books for safe keeping..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have a copy of the book by Bill Tufts, and unfortunately I have not been able to scan my Tufts book do to the size of my scanner and the book is not able to lay down properly on the scanner in any given direction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was wondering if any member here has the book in a digital format and would be willing to send their file to me?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kindest regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Rich

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76991 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 11/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Opps, copyrights



                                                                                                                                                                                                                      -----Original Message-----
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2015 2:34 pm
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I recently have been scanning all of my Flyer books for safe keeping..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have a copy of the book by Bill Tufts, and unfortunately I have not been able to scan my Tufts book do to the size of my scanner and the book is not able to lay down properly on the scanner in any given direction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was wondering if any member here has the book in a digital format and would be willing to send their file to me?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kindest regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Rich

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76992 From: Richard Falzini Date: 11/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hello Harwood,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Yes I have seen it now and then on ebay and other various sites.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I actually own a copy, but certain books that I cherish I do not like to handle a lot as I don't want bent pages, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I wanted to scan mine so if I need to reference a certain piece of information I can read it on the computer instead of putting wear and tear on the book.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As far as copyrights go, I understand your comment I felt since I want it for my own personal use it would not violate a copyright law.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I did not want the book to try and profit from, just to use for my own personal research.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks for writing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kindest regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Rich


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: "HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 2:41 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi Rich,  His name is Bob not Bill.  The book has copy writes.  The book comes up for sale on ebay from time to time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Harwood



                                                                                                                                                                                                                      -----Original Message-----
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2015 2:34 pm
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I recently have been scanning all of my Flyer books for safe keeping..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have a copy of the book by Bill Tufts, and unfortunately I have not been able to scan my Tufts book do to the size of my scanner and the book is not able to lay down properly on the scanner in any given direction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was wondering if any member here has the book in a digital format and would be willing to send their file to me?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kindest regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Rich



                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76993 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 11/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Rich, what pages are you looking for?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      -----Original Message-----
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2015 4:58 pm
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hello Harwood,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Yes I have seen it now and then on ebay and other various sites.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I actually own a copy, but certain books that I cherish I do not like to handle a lot as I don't want bent pages, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I wanted to scan mine so if I need to reference a certain piece of information I can read it on the computer instead of putting wear and tear on the book.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As far as copyrights go, I understand your comment I felt since I want it for my own personal use it would not violate a copyright law.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I did not want the book to try and profit from, just to use for my own personal research.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks for writing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kindest regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Rich


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: "HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 2:41 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi Rich,  His name is Bob not Bill.  The book has copy writes.  The book comes up for sale on ebay from time to time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Harwood



                                                                                                                                                                                                                      -----Original Message-----
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2015 2:34 pm
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I recently have been scanning all of my Flyer books for safe keeping..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have a copy of the book by Bill Tufts, and unfortunately I have not been able to scan my Tufts book do to the size of my scanner and the book is not able to lay down properly on the scanner in any given direction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was wondering if any member here has the book in a digital format and would be willing to send their file to me?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kindest regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Rich



                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76994 From: Richard Falzini Date: 11/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hello Harwood,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I was actually hoping to scan the entire book.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Like I said I wanted to do this to safe guard my copy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was able to scan all of my other books, but I can't get my Tufts book to lay down correctly on my scanner.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was going to try a different scanner tomorrow. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If you have a portion or all of the book scanned I certainly would appreciate any help you can provide. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Rich


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 5:40 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Rich, what pages are you looking for?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      -----Original Message-----
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2015 4:58 pm
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hello Harwood,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Yes I have seen it now and then on ebay and other various sites.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I actually own a copy, but certain books that I cherish I do not like to handle a lot as I don't want bent pages, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I wanted to scan mine so if I need to reference a certain piece of information I can read it on the computer instead of putting wear and tear on the book.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As far as copyrights go, I understand your comment I felt since I want it for my own personal use it would not violate a copyright law.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I did not want the book to try and profit from, just to use for my own personal research.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks for writing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kindest regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Rich


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: "HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 2:41 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi Rich,  His name is Bob not Bill.  The book has copy writes.  The book comes up for sale on ebay from time to time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Harwood



                                                                                                                                                                                                                      -----Original Message-----
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2015 2:34 pm
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I recently have been scanning all of my Flyer books for safe keeping..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have a copy of the book by Bill Tufts, and unfortunately I have not been able to scan my Tufts book do to the size of my scanner and the book is not able to lay down properly on the scanner in any given direction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was wondering if any member here has the book in a digital format and would be willing to send their file to me?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kindest regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Rich



                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76995 From: Eric Date: 11/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: ITEMS for Sale - S Brass - Scale Budd Zephyr and a caboose - River R
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have 2 more items for sale.  Both are new in their original Boxes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      One is a River Raisin Milwaukee Rib-side Caboose  $175.00 plus shipping


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The other is a Budd Shovelnose  Burlington Pioneer Zephyr 4 car set.  $1750.00 ship incl.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Both of these are incredibly beautiful items. They have only been out of the boxes for a test run.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Both are priced well below original cost.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Paypal, check, (held to clear) or Postal money order work.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Eric Reis
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      PO Box 82126
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kenmore, WA 98028




                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76996 From: bobville Date: 11/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Do like I did I have 2 copys one to use and one that he signed to keep. Bob






                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 12:55:57 -0500 (EST)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I recently have been scanning all of my Flyer books for safe keeping..


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have a copy of the book by Bill Tufts, and unfortunately I have not been able to scan my Tufts book do to the size of my scanner and the book is not able to lay down properly on the scanner in any given direction.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was wondering if any member here has the book in a digital format and would be willing to send their file to me?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kindest regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Rich
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76997 From: Richard Falzini Date: 11/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I only have one copy which I tried scanning but it doest fit the scanner, and I didn't want to damage the spine of the book trying to get it to lay flat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Rich


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 11:38 PM, bobville bobville@... [S-Trains]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Do like I did I have 2 copys one to use and one that he signed to keep. Bob

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 12:55:57 -0500 (EST)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I recently have been scanning all of my Flyer books for safe keeping..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have a copy of the book by Bill Tufts, and unfortunately I have not been able to scan my Tufts book do to the size of my scanner and the book is not able to lay down properly on the scanner in any given direction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was wondering if any member here has the book in a digital format and would be willing to send their file to me?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kindest regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Rich


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76998 From: albert paolozzi Date: 11/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Fred   His name was Bob Tufts!



                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On Sunday, November 29, 2015 11:47 PM, "Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I only have one copy which I tried scanning but it doest fit the scanner, and I didn't want to damage the spine of the book trying to get it to lay flat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Rich


                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Do like I did I have 2 copys one to use and one that he signed to keep. Bob

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 12:55:57 -0500 (EST)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I recently have been scanning all of my Flyer books for safe keeping..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have a copy of the book by Bill Tufts, and unfortunately I have not been able to scan my Tufts book do to the size of my scanner and the book is not able to lay down properly on the scanner in any given direction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was wondering if any member here has the book in a digital format and would be willing to send their file to me?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kindest regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Rich




                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 76999 From: Richard Falzini Date: 11/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I meant to say Bob for some reason I typed Bill.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have the book right above my head, I should have peeked at the cover..


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:45 AM, albert paolozzi amflyral@... [S-Trains]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Fred   His name was Bob Tufts!



                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On Sunday, November 29, 2015 11:47 PM, "Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I only have one copy which I tried scanning but it doest fit the scanner, and I didn't want to damage the spine of the book trying to get it to lay flat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Rich


                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Do like I did I have 2 copys one to use and one that he signed to keep. Bob

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 12:55:57 -0500 (EST)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I recently have been scanning all of my Flyer books for safe keeping..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have a copy of the book by Bill Tufts, and unfortunately I have not been able to scan my Tufts book do to the size of my scanner and the book is not able to lay down properly on the scanner in any given direction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was wondering if any member here has the book in a digital format and would be willing to send their file to me?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kindest regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Rich




                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77000 From: gregory mccormack Date: 11/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: piggy back unloader ramps
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Does anyone know how I can obtain the two ramps for the piggy back unloader car #25033? I received this car for Christmas in the 1960's but the ramps were not in the box. I finally have a layout with room enough for a siding to place this car, so I am hoping to find the ramps so I can finally display this car after all these years. Thanks, 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Greg McCormack
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77001 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: piggy back unloader ramps

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Greg, Doug Peck at Port lines Hobby, should have them. Larry

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 3:07 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] piggy back unloader ramps

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Does anyone know how I can obtain the two ramps for the piggy back unloader car #25033? I received this car for Christmas in the 1960's but the ramps were not in the box. I finally have a layout with room enough for a siding to place this car, so I am hoping to find the ramps so I can finally display this car after all these years. Thanks, 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Greg McCormack

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77002 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 11/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: some nice stuff at good prices

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77003 From: HOwingsiii@... Date: 11/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Bill Tuft's book
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have it in a file someplace, as soon as I find it.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                      -----Original Message-----
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2015 8:43 pm
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hello Harwood,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I was actually hoping to scan the entire book.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Like I said I wanted to do this to safe guard my copy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was able to scan all of my other books, but I can't get my Tufts book to lay down correctly on my scanner.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was going to try a different scanner tomorrow. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If you have a portion or all of the boo k scanned I certainly would appreciate any help you can provide. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Rich


                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Rich, what pages are you looking for?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      -----Original Message-----
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2015 4:58 pm
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hello Harwood,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Yes I have seen it now and then on ebay and other various sites.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I actually own a copy, but certain books that I cherish I do not like to handle a lot as I don't want bent pages, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I wanted to scan mine so if I need to reference a certain piece of information I can read it on the computer instead of putting wear and tear on the book.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As far as copyrights go, I understand your comment I felt since I want it for my own personal use it would not violate a copyright law.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I did not want the book to try and profit from, just to use for my own personal research.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks for writing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kindest regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Rich


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: "HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 2:41 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi Rich,  His name is Bob not Bill.  The book has copy writes.  The book comes up for sale on ebay from time to time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Harwood



                                                                                                                                                                                                                      -----Original Message-----
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2015 2:34 pm
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Bill Tuft's book

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I recently have been scanning all of my Flyer books for safe keeping..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have a copy of the book by Bill Tufts, and unfortunately I have not been able to scan my Tufts book do to the size of my scanner and the book is not able to lay down properly on the scanner in any given direction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was wondering if any member here has the book in a digital format and would be willing to send their file to me?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kindest regards,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Rich



                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77004 From: snstrains Date: 11/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: piggy back unloader ramps
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have the entire set (23830) in like new condition in a pristine box for $75. You could have an extra. One to shelve and one to use.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Boise, Idaho
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      In a message dated 11/30/2015 1:16:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Does anyone know how I can obtain the two ramps for the piggy back unloader car #25033? I received this car for Christmas in the 1960's but the ramps were not in the box. I finally have a layout with room enough for a siding to place this car, so I am hoping to find the ramps so I can finally display this car after all these years. Thanks, 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Greg McCormack

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77005 From: Paul A Krause Date: 12/2/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: S-Helper F3 Diesel Scale Wheels and Wide Vision Caboose Scale Wheels

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Merry Christmas!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I am looking for the following S-Helper scale wheel sets if anyone is willing to depart with them!  I am willing to buy or trade.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1.       F3 or F7 Scale Wheels 4 axles (2 sets with gears, scale wheels enough for 1 diesel).  I am willing to trade 4 axles in Hi-Rail.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2.       Wide Vision caboose Scale Wheels – 8 axles (enough for 2 caboose conversions).  Once again I am willing to trade the wheel sets for Hi-Rail ones.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Best Regards

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Paul Krause

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      5 Chandler Lane

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      New Milford, CT 06776

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Email: pakrause5@...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Home Office#:  860-957-7279

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Mobile#: 203-512-2866

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Home#: 860-350-5144

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77006 From: Scott Holm Date: 12/2/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Bob Tuft's Book
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Just changing the subject to correct the name.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77007 From: alevans51 Date: 12/2/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: WHY BUCK CONVERTERS ARE VALUABLE
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have installed a few buck converters into my DCC operated locos and have had great success.    Primarily I use these for high current devices like smokers and their associated fans when needed.  As I posted earlier, these devices are very efficient.  The smoke is HUGE if you want it huge.  Or normal if you want it normal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      How efficient?  THEY SAVE YOUR LAYOUT FROM OVERLOADS.  There is a huge overall layout amperage reduction if operating multiple locos, all with their smokers going. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Please see my earlier postings. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As a side note, when adjust the DC output voltage of the buck converter, it takes about 25 counter-clockwise turns on the trim pot to get a 6VDC value. 



                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Allen Evans
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Covington, LA
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      New Orleans Public Belt MRR





                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77008 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 12/2/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Weathering Paint loss on cars...?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       I was reading The S Scale Resource, the article by Bill Guerra on weathering a stock car.. Like everyone else, I've tried sandpaper, fine steel wool, tiny screws, various razor blades in various positions, and a boat load of other tricks with varying results.. I was looking for car wax when I stumbled on to 'mud blocks'.. basically a superfine grit bar of soap to get rid of oxidation so your wax has no residue from previous wax or grime or other dirt.. I don't have one of these, but it's on my list when I go to the auto parts store again.. If you cut the block into triangles, you can get between the boards on that stock car, maybe peel off a bit of it's paint, exposing a black/brown or even grey primer underneath.. It's made of super fine grit, so won't gouge out like a large pebble on a sheet of sandpaper, and the shape will gradually change, so you aren't creating a repeating effect.. If anyone happens to have one of these mud blocks, please let us know how they work.. Maybe it's the perfect way to slightly weather the paint on rivets on reefer cars? I doubt it'll be the one product to replace everything else, but if it's a good addition to a weather box, well, we can all use another aide to make our world a bit more realistic.. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77009 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 12/2/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Weathering Paint loss on cars...?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As Forrest Gump would say there are a gazillion ways to weather freight and passenger cars and yes passenger cars do need very light weathering. My preferred method has a couple of solutions either of which will give good results. i go to a dollar store or even Wal-Mart or K-mart and get one of those ladies makeup kits. The kind with a boxcar load of different colors and the sponge applicators. The dollar store variety is probably the best buy for the money. I have to admit I do get some raised eyebrows when I purchase one and say it's for me lolol. Then a wealth of understanding when I say why. In one of those kits are several shades of brown,tan plus a myriad of other colors that are all pretty much usable. I apply the "weathering" and then when I'm satisfied I spray a coat of Dullcote over the whole car. if you don't like the results you can remove the "weathering" before spraying the Dullcote reapply and when satisfied spray the Dullcote. This is an inexpensive alternative to high cost weathering.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Kalispell, MT
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77010 From: Dr Trains Date: 12/2/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: WHY BUCK CONVERTERS ARE VALUABLE
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi, Peter LOEB here.....what the heck is a "buck converter"??? And where are they available/found and what do they cost??.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Also are they only good for DCC or will this also benefit regular AF AC/DC and AM SHS older S locos????


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Just do not know anything about this??? Want to be able to operate on AC, DC, DCC, LIONEL/MTH if at all possible as I visit various S clubs/layouts, and want to be able to accommodate visitors on my layout.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks for any help for a old school fart.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      --------------------------------------------
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On Tue, 12/1/15, allen.evans@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] WHY BUCK CONVERTERS ARE VALUABLE
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 8:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have installed a few
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      buck converters into my DCC operated locos and have had
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      great success.    Primarily I use these for high current
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      devices like smokers and their associated fans when
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      needed.  As I posted earlier, these devices are very
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      efficient.  The smoke is HUGE if you want it huge.  Or
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      normal if you want it normal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      How efficient?  THEY SAVE YOUR LAYOUT FROM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      OVERLOADS.  There is a huge overall layout amperage
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      reduction if operating multiple locos, all with their
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      smokers going. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Please
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      see my earlier postings. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As a side note, when adjust the DC output
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      voltage of the buck converter, it takes about 25
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      counter-clockwise turns on the trim pot to get a 6VDC
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      value. 



                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Allen Evans
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Covington, LA
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      New Orleans
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Public Belt MRR
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77011 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 12/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Weathering Paint loss on cars...?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, they do wonders.. Even the pinks are put to goo use if you have a brick factory, or any brick buildings near chemical factories.. I've seen a few over the years where the bricks are practically disintegrating from being exposed to harsh chemicals.. I've also mixed pink with reds, browns, and yellow for blossoms on trees in springtime, or fall changing of leaves.. I did something with water and oil once, and got fantastic results for rose bushes.. Wish I could remember that one. Even though I'm working larger these days, there's always miniature roses and other flowers in a bed..
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77012 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 12/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Fog Machine for SMOKE!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       I was looking for clearance Halloween stuff early November, and just got around to my test.. I bought a fog machine and fog juice, not realizing how easy it was to make the stuff myself. It was cheap anyway. Point is, these fog machines produce warm fog, so it naturally rises. Not fast and not much, but it does rise. Obviously, you can't strap a 10 pound machine to a loco, but you can add some tubes under a layout to funnel smoke to chimneys and smokestacks.. Small hoses won't work well, but if you use 1 1/4 hose, like for draining a pool, get it right under the building, then use a cardboard tube to get it the rest of the way to the chimney, you'll love the results.. One machine powers all the chimneys on a layout.. I didn't have a garden hose to chop up, but the smaller the diameter of the hose, and the longer it is to the chimney, the weaker the effect will be.. You may want to run bigger hose, or even multiple hoses, to your factories.. A 5 gallon bucket or 2, depending on size of layout and quantity of smoke, will give you a nice, even flow.. I'm thinking an air pump from a fish tank will increase the pressure without diluting the smoke too much. I didn't connect this to a layout, I just cut up a leaky hose into 3, 5, and 7 foot sections, reducing it with copper fittings and short pieces of pipe from a "fix all" bucket.. I put masking tape over the ends with nail holes in it to see the effects. I was going to throw away my old carpet cleaner, but I'm going to salvage the hoses first! Best part is it's technically still "smoke free"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77013 From: racin510 Date: 12/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Fog Machine for SMOKE!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That is a fun idea. My own Halloween 'trick':  I had picked up one of the larger sound activated strobe lights to light up my porch goulds on the wicked night, and it worked well. So in the process of putting it in storage, under the train table, I had a brain storm ..... err lightning thought.... and hung the strobe behind my large mountain located far corner of layout .... and voila, train running thru the mountain stimulates lightning flashes and the occasional wolf howl to boot! It's a cool effect and keeps one more thing out of storage, always a good thing.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77014 From: icequeen1982 Date: 12/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Fog Machine for SMOKE!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I did that for my outdoor trains
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        @@attachment@@
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77015 From: icequeen1982 Date: 12/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Fog Machine for SMOKE!!



                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <racin510@...> wrote :

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That is a fun idea. My own Halloween 'trick':  I had picked up one of the larger sound activated strobe lights to light up my porch goulds on the wicked night, and it worked well. So in the process of putting it in storage, under the train table, I had a brain storm ..... err lightning thought.... and hung the strobe behind my large mountain located far corner of layout .... and voila, train running thru the mountain stimulates lightning flashes and the occasional wolf howl to boot! It's a cool effect and keeps one more thing out of storage, always a good thing.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        @@attachment@@
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77016 From: Roy Inman Date: 12/4/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Fog Machine for SMOKE!! [1 Attachment]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: [S-Trains] Re: Fog Machine for SMOKE!! [1 Attachment] What a great effect!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Roy Inman


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      on 12/4/15, 3:31 PM, S-trains at S-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                         




                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <racin510@...> wrote :

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That is a fun idea. My own Halloween 'trick':  I had picked up one of the larger sound activated strobe lights to light up my porch goulds on the wicked night, and it worked well. So in the process of putting it in storage, under the train table, I had a brain storm ..... err lightning thought.... and hung the strobe behind my large mountain located far corner of layout .... and voila, train running thru the mountain stimulates lightning flashes and the occasional wolf howl to boot! It's a cool effect and keeps one more thing out of storage, always a good thing.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                         



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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77017 From: Bruce R. DeGailler Sr. Date: 12/5/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: For sale: 21100, 21168, 21161, 283, 308, 21085, 21084, 21085, 2
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Prices given are based on the latest Greenberg guide, adjusted for condition and based on my personal knowledge, having collected American Flyer Trains,  Accessories, Catalogues, and Instruction Sheets since the mid-70s.  Long time TCA member since 1981.  I welcome any and all questions and scans from angles of your choice are available upon request.  Many more Postwar American Flyer Trains and Accessories are available, both in S and HO, as I am liquidating my collection of more than 40 years.  If you are looking for a particular item, chances are that I have what you are looking for, so please drop me a line.  I welcome your want lists as well.   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Offered for sale:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *21100 Atlantic 4-4-2, no smoke or choo-choo variation

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  All original, minor scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Knuckle coupler unbroken and operational. Clean graphics. A bit dusty but in excellent condition. No wrapper.  $35

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *21168 Southern 4-4-0, w/headlight, smoke, and choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  All original, minor scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps complete. Pikemaster coupler unbroken, not stretched, and operational. Clean graphics. Excellent condition. No wrapper.  $90

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *21161 Atlantic 4-4-2, no smoke or choo-choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  All original, minute nicks and scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Solid knuckle coupler. Clean graphics. Very slight melt mark on plastic in front of crosshead guide, one side, as seen in photo #3.  Very clean and in excellent condition. No wrapper.  $25

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *283 Pacific 4-6-2, w/headlight, smoke, and choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  All original, minute nicks and scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Knuckle coupler unbroken and operational.  One tender truck side frame soldered to truck.  Needs new headlight lens. A bit dusty but in excellent condition. No wrapper.  $70

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *308 Atlantic 4-4-2, w/headlight, choo-choo, no smoke

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  Hard to find, all original 308, minute scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Knuckle coupler unbroken and operational.  Very clean and in solid excellent condition. No wrapper.  $110

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *21085 Pacific 4-6-2, w/headlight, smoke, and choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  Chicago, St. Paul, Milwaukee, & Pacific on tender. All original, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. More desirable die cast trailing truck. Pikemaster coupler unbroken, not stretched, and operational. Clean graphics. Slight oxidation on a small area of the center driver valve gear on both sides. Exceptionally clean and in excellent plus condition! No wrapper.  $130

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *21084 Pacific 4-6-2, w/headlight, smoke, and choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  All original, minute nicks and scratches, no cracks. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Knuckle coupler unbroken and operational.  Slight oxidation on tender frame and a bit dusty but in very good condition. No wrapper.  $95

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *21085 Pacific 4-6-2, w/headlight, smoke, and choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  Chicago, St. Paul, Milwaukee, & Pacific on tender. All original, no scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. More desirable die cast trailing truck. Pikemaster coupler unbroken, not stretched, and operational. Vibrant graphics. Spotless valve gear.  Exceptionally clean and in like new condition! No wrapper.  $140

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *287 Pacific 4-6-2, w/headlight, no smoke or choo-choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  All original, no scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Knuckle coupler unbroken and operational.  Vibrant graphics. Spotless valve gear. In excellent plus to like new condition. No wrapper.  $90

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *302AC Atlantic 4-4-2, w/headlight, smoke, and choo-choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  Die cast, one piece boiler, metal tender.  All original, minute scratches. Link coupler unbroken.  Slight oxidation on tender frame and a bit dusty but in excellent condition.  With original wrapper.  $65

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *342AC NKP 0-8-0 Switcher, w/headlight, smoke, and choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  All original, minute nicks and scratches, no cracks, no rust. One front tender step with small chip. Link coupler unbroken and operational.  Clear graphics. All handrails. Great runner! In excellent condition. No wrapper.  $345

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *21165 Erie 4-4-0

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  Harder to find operating knuckle coupler variation.  One year only.  All original, minor scratches, no cracks. Slight oxidation on underside of pilot truck frame and one tender truck side frame. All tender steps complete. Knuckle coupler unbroken and operational. Clean graphics. Very clean. Excellent condition. No wrapper. $32

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *21165 Erie 4-4-0

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  Pikemaster coupler variation.  All original, minor scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps complete. Pikemaster coupler unbroken, not stretched, and operational. Clean graphics. Very clean piece. Excellent condition. No wrapper. $32

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *L2001 Erie 4-4-0 Casey Jones Game Train

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  All original, minute nicks and scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps complete. Pikemaster coupler unbroken, not stretched, and operational. Clean graphics. A bit dusty, but Excellent condition. No wrapper. $32

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *21165 Erie 4-4-0

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  Pikemaster coupler.  All original, minute scratches, no cracks. Slight oxidation in tiny area of underside of boiler frame and tiny area of tender frame. Original wires to tender present but need to be soldered to connection in tender. All tender steps complete. Pikemaster coupler unbroken, not stretched, and operational. Clean graphics. A bit dusty. Excellent condition. No wrapper. $25

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *21165 Erie 4-4-0

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  Pikemaster coupler variation.  All original, minute nicks and scratches, no cracks. Slight oxidation in tiny area of underside of tender frame. All tender steps complete. Pikemaster coupler unbroken, not stretched, and operational. A bit dusty. Excellent condition. No wrapper. $25

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *21160 Atlantic 4-4-2, no headlight, smoke or choo-choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  Interesting variation, with factory screw hole tapped on bottom of boiler frame.  Suspect this particular engine was selected as a factory display piece, possibly used in a Christmas display in a department store, but this is just speculation.  This is the only 21160 that I have seen with a tapped screw hole on the bottom of the boiler frame. All original, minute nicks and scratches, no cracks, minute oxidation on tender frame. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Drawbar with trailing truck is rusty on top and one of the wheels is chipped.  This drawbar assembly will be replaced with a NOS original.  Knuckle coupler unbroken and operational. Clean graphics. A bit dusty but in excellent condition. No wrapper. $35

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ShippingBuyer pays actual shipping costs. Shipping via USPS insured Priority Mail with Tracking, Continental US only.  I will combine shipping for multiple purchases.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I will be listing many more American Flyer S and HO gauge items in the coming days.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      (360) 281-9341
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77018 From: Bruce R. DeGailler Sr. Date: 12/5/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: For sale: 21100, 21168, 21161, 283, 308, 21085
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Prices given are based on the latest Greenberg guide, adjusted for condition and based on my personal knowledge, having collected American Flyer Trains, Accessories, Catalogues, and instruction sheets since the mid-70s.  Long time TCA member since 1981.  I welcome any and all questions and scans from angles of your choice are available upon request.  Many more Postwar American Flyer Trains and Accessories are available, both in S and HO, as I am liquidating my collection of more than 40 years.  If you are looking for a particular item, chances are that I have what you are looking for, so please drop me a line.  I welcome your want lists as well.   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Offered for sale:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *21100 Atlantic 4-4-2, no smoke or choo-choo variation

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  All original, minor scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Knuckle coupler unbroken and operational. Clean graphics. A bit dusty but in excellent condition. No wrapper.  $35

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *21168 Southern 4-4-0, w/headlight, smoke, and choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  All original, minor scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps complete. Pikemaster coupler unbroken, not stretched, and operational. Clean graphics. Excellent condition. No wrapper.  $90

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *21161 Atlantic 4-4-2, no smoke or choo-choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  All original, minute nicks and scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Solid knuckle coupler. Clean graphics. Very slight melt mark on plastic in front of crosshead guide, one side, as seen in photo #3.  Very clean and in excellent condition. No wrapper.  $25

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *283 Pacific 4-6-2, w/headlight, smoke, and choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  All original, minute nicks and scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Knuckle coupler unbroken and operational.  One tender truck side frame soldered to truck.  Needs new headlight lens. A bit dusty but in excellent condition. No wrapper.  $70

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *308 Atlantic 4-4-2, w/headlight, choo-choo, no smoke

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  Hard to find, all original 308, minute scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Knuckle coupler unbroken and operational.  Very clean and in solid excellent condition. No wrapper.  $110

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      *21085 Pacific 4-6-2, w/headlight, smoke, and choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes:  Chicago, St. Paul, Milwaukee, & Pacific on tender. All original, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. More desirable die cast trailing truck. Pikemaster coupler unbroken, not stretched, and operational. Clean graphics. Slight oxidation on a small area of the center driver valve gear on both sides. Exceptionally clean and in excellent plus condition! No wrapper.  $130

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ShippingBuyer pays actual shipping costs. Shipping via USPS insured Priority Mail with Tracking, Continental US only.  I will combine shipping for multiple purchases.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I will be listing many more American Flyer S and HO gauge items in the coming days.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      (360) 281-9341
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77019 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/5/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Fog Machine for SMOKE!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I would be a little bit hesitant to use these machines.  The type you are talking about usually use a glycol based fluid, (similar to auto antifreeze) and I would be concerned about residues left behind on a layout.   I know our locomotive smoke units can also leave a residue, but I think it is a lot less. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Dale Smith

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On 12/4/2015 9:21 AM, phuster_6@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       I was looking for clearance Halloween stuff early November, and just got around to my test.. I bought a fog machine and fog juice, not realizing how easy it was to make the stuff myself. It was cheap anyway. Point is, these fog machines produce warm fog, so it naturally rises. Not fast and not much, but it does rise. Obviously, you can't strap a 10 pound machine to a loco, but you can add some tubes under a layout to funnel smoke to chimneys and smokestacks.. Small hoses won't work well, but if you use 1 1/4 hose, like for draining a pool, get it right under the building, then use a cardboard tube to get it the rest of the way to the chimney, you'll love the results.. One machine powers all the chimneys on a layout.. I didn't have a garden hose to chop up, but the smaller the diameter of the hose, and the longer it is to the chimney, the weaker the effect will be.. You may want to run bigger hose, or even multiple hoses, to your factories.. A 5 gallon bucket or 2, depending on size of layout and quantity of smoke, will give you a nice, even flow.. I'm thinking an air pump from a fish tank will increase the pressure without diluting the smoke too much. I didn't connect this to a layout, I just cut up a leaky hose into 3, 5, and 7 foot sections, reducing it with copper fittings and short pieces of pipe from a "fix all" bucket.. I put masking tape over the ends with nail holes in it to see the effects. I was going to throw away my old carpet cleaner, but I'm going to salvage the hoses first! Best part is it's technically still "smoke free"


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77020 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/5/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 06 December 2015
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 77021 From: traindavid Date: 12/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Chat tonight, sorry I won't be there
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        HI all,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Another Sunday, another Chat night, something I look forward to; however
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        tonight I will be on the road, headed to LA area to pick up a new motor for
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Linda's car. For some reason, her car's motor is dying prematurely, and in
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        today's world it is much cheaper to replace than to repair, especially when
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        you find one that is virtually brand new & owned by a model T guy!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So, hopefully next week!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If you haven't been to chat in a while, or even ever, do stop in, it's lots
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        of fun & sometimes we even talk about TRAINS!!! :)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        S'incerely,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        David Dewey
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 77022 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 06 December 2015
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Where
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77023 From: Bruce R. DeGailler Sr. Date: 12/6/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: For sale: 21100, 21168, 21161, 283, 308, 21085, 21084, 21085, 2
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I forgot to mention that my prices are negotiable and not fixed, so please feel free to make me an offer.  Thank you.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Prices given are based on the latest Greenberg guide, adjusted for condition and based on my personal knowledge, having collected American Flyer Trains,  Accessories, Catalogues, and Instruction Sheets since the mid-70s.  Long time TCA member since 1981.  I welcome any and all questions and scans from angles of your choice are available upon request.  Many more Postwar American Flyer Trains and Accessories are available, both in S and HO, as I am liquidating my collection of more than 40 years.  If you are looking for a particular item, chances are that I have what you are looking for, so please drop me a line.  I welcome your want lists as well.   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Offered for sale:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *21100 Atlantic 4-4-2, no smoke or choo-choo variation

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes:  All original, minor scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Knuckle coupler unbroken and operational. Clean graphics. A bit dusty but in excellent condition. No wrapper.  $35

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *21168 Southern 4-4-0, w/headlight, smoke, and choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes:  All original, minor scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps complete. Pikemaster coupler unbroken, not stretched, and operational. Clean graphics. Excellent condition. No wrapper.  $90

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *21161 Atlantic 4-4-2, no smoke or choo-choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes:  All original, minute nicks and scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Solid knuckle coupler. Clean graphics. Very slight melt mark on plastic in front of crosshead guide, one side, as seen in photo #3.  Very clean and in excellent condition. No wrapper.  $25

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *283 Pacific 4-6-2, w/headlight, smoke, and choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes:  All original, minute nicks and scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Knuckle coupler unbroken and operational.  One tender truck side frame soldered to truck.  Needs new headlight lens. A bit dusty but in excellent condition. No wrapper.  $70

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *308 Atlantic 4-4-2, w/headlight, choo-choo, no smoke

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes:  Hard to find, all original 308, minute scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Knuckle coupler unbroken and operational.  Very clean and in solid excellent condition. No wrapper.  $110

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *21085 Pacific 4-6-2, w/headlight, smoke, and choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes:  Chicago, St. Paul, Milwaukee, & Pacific on tender. All original, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. More desirable die cast trailing truck. Pikemaster coupler unbroken, not stretched, and operational. Clean graphics. Slight oxidation on a small area of the center driver valve gear on both sides. Exceptionally clean and in excellent plus condition! No wrapper.  $130

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *21084 Pacific 4-6-2, w/headlight, smoke, and choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes:  All original, minute nicks and scratches, no cracks. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Knuckle coupler unbroken and operational.  Slight oxidation on tender frame and a bit dusty but in very good condition. No wrapper.  $95

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *21085 Pacific 4-6-2, w/headlight, smoke, and choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes:  Chicago, St. Paul, Milwaukee, & Pacific on tender. All original, no scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. More desirable die cast trailing truck. Pikemaster coupler unbroken, not stretched, and operational. Vibrant graphics. Spotless valve gear.  Exceptionally clean and in like new condition! No wrapper.  $140

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *287 Pacific 4-6-2, w/headlight, no smoke or choo-choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes:  All original, no scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Knuckle coupler unbroken and operational.  Vibrant graphics. Spotless valve gear. In excellent plus to like new condition. No wrapper.  $90

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *302AC Atlantic 4-4-2, w/headlight, smoke, and choo-choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes:  Die cast, one piece boiler, metal tender.  All original, minute scratches. Link coupler unbroken.  Slight oxidation on tender frame and a bit dusty but in excellent condition.  With original wrapper.  $65

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *342AC NKP 0-8-0 Switcher, w/headlight, smoke, and choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes:  All original, minute nicks and scratches, no cracks, no rust. One front tender step with small chip. Link coupler unbroken and operational.  Clear graphics. All handrails. Great runner! In excellent condition. No wrapper.  $345

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *21165 Erie 4-4-0

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes:  Harder to find operating knuckle coupler variation.  One year only.  All original, minor scratches, no cracks. Slight oxidation on underside of pilot truck frame and one tender truck side frame. All tender steps complete. Knuckle coupler unbroken and operational. Clean graphics. Very clean. Excellent condition. No wrapper. $32

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *21165 Erie 4-4-0

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes:  Pikemaster coupler variation.  All original, minor scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps complete. Pikemaster coupler unbroken, not stretched, and operational. Clean graphics. Very clean piece. Excellent condition. No wrapper. $32

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *L2001 Erie 4-4-0 Casey Jones Game Train

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes:  All original, minute nicks and scratches, no cracks, no rust. All tender steps complete. Pikemaster coupler unbroken, not stretched, and operational. Clean graphics. A bit dusty, but Excellent condition. No wrapper. $32

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *21165 Erie 4-4-0

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes:  Pikemaster coupler.  All original, minute scratches, no cracks. Slight oxidation in tiny area of underside of boiler frame and tiny area of tender frame. Original wires to tender present but need to be soldered to connection in tender. All tender steps complete. Pikemaster coupler unbroken, not stretched, and operational. Clean graphics. A bit dusty. Excellent condition. No wrapper. $25

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *21165 Erie 4-4-0

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes:  Pikemaster coupler variation.  All original, minute nicks and scratches, no cracks. Slight oxidation in tiny area of underside of tender frame. All tender steps complete. Pikemaster coupler unbroken, not stretched, and operational. A bit dusty. Excellent condition. No wrapper. $25

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *21160 Atlantic 4-4-2, no headlight, smoke or choo-choo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes:  Interesting variation, with factory screw hole tapped on bottom of boiler frame.  Suspect this particular engine was selected as a factory display piece, possibly used in a Christmas display in a department store, but this is just speculation.  This is the only 21160 that I have seen with a tapped screw hole on the bottom of the boiler frame. All original, minute nicks and scratches, no cracks, minute oxidation on tender frame. All tender steps and pilot steps complete. Drawbar with trailing truck is rusty on top and one of the wheels is chipped.  This drawbar assembly will be replaced with a NOS original.  Knuckle coupler unbroken and operational. Clean graphics. A bit dusty but in excellent condition. No wrapper. $35

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ShippingBuyer pays actual shipping costs. Shipping via USPS insured Priority Mail with Tracking, Continental US only.  I will combine shipping for multiple purchases.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I will be listing many more American Flyer S and HO gauge items in the coming days.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          (360) 281-9341
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77024 From: mike gardner Date: 12/8/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: LEDs
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Does anyone make/sell LED that would screw into the Bulb sockets of American Flyer Engines To replace the headlamp bulbs.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      THANK YOU to ALL  who answer Mike Gardner

















                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77025 From: Alan Smith Date: 12/8/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: LEDs
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           MIke,  

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          They make L.E.D. bulbs that will screw into the socket. - However, L. E. D.  bulbs produce directional light and it’s out the end of the bulb. These work excellent in flyer switch heads but requires a reflective material be placed in the top of the housing to bounce the light so it make the switch head lens glow. - Headlights present a different problem. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I fix that problem in a different way.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Old A in Ohio

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          On Dec 8, 2015, at 11:32 PM, mike gardner tamerlane_46@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Does anyone make/sell LED that would screw into the Bulb sockets of American Flyer Engines To replace the headlamp bulbs.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      THANK YOU to ALL  who answer Mike Gardner



















                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77026 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: : LED's

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Try Evans Designs at   http://www.modeltrainsoftware.com for LED's to fit any application.  They're well designed to be easy to install and the price is right.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Stumpy in Ahia

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77027 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: LEDs
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Check Walthers but you may have to use a resistor to reduce voltage



                                                                                                                                                                                                                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 04:32:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: [S-Trains] LEDs

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Does anyone make/sell LED that would screw into the Bulb sockets of American Flyer Engines To replace the headlamp bulbs.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      THANK YOU to ALL  who answer Mike Gardner


















                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77028 From: c100495 Date: 12/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: LEDs
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Mike,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Just to add what "Old A in Ohio: has said. They make the LED's you inquired about, but use a reputable vendor and they are directional. I bought an assortment on EBay that were for model trains, the voltage that was stated in their ad was not what was stamped on the bulbs. The max voltage was 12V, they only lasted a short time, plus I added a piece of foil to the inside cover of my switches to direct the beam down. A better resource for your requirements is PortLines or LBR. I run my accessories on a separate transformer at a voltage that just makes them light and operate versus full 15 to 16 volts. Just my take and what I do. I did get my money back on the LEDs, and advised the EBay vendor that they were not as advertised.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Fred


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77029 From: William J Gill Date: 12/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: LEDs
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LED bulbs can be found at:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.autolumination.com/trainbulbs.htm


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Scroll through the page and see if what you're looking for is there.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          There are probably other places.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77030 From: racin510 Date: 12/9/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: LEDs
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LED's are so directional one wouldn't light the lens very well. The great fix is to substitute an led for the lens itself, which produces a nice blue/white beam.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77031 From: Eric Date: 12/10/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Fwd: ITEMS for Sale - S Brass - Scale Budd Zephyr and a caboose - Ri



                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have 2 brass items for sale.  Both are new in their original Boxes.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          One is a River Raisin Milwaukee Rib-side Caboose  



                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The other is a Budd Shovelnose  Burlington Pioneer Zephyr 4 car set. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Both of these are incredibly beautiful items. They have only been out of the boxes for a test run.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Both are priced well below original cost.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Please contact me off list if interested



                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Paypal, check, (held to clear) or Postal money order work.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Eric Reis
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          PO Box 82126
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Kenmore, WA 98028





                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77032 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/10/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: LEDs

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          We offer those, as well as various screw-in LED bulbs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          <<< The great fix is to substitute an led for the lens itself, which produces a nice blue/white beam.>>>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Doug Peck
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          6 Storeybrooke Drive
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          doug@...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          www.portlines.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77033 From: mike gardner Date: 12/10/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: LEDs
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I want to Thank everyone that answered. I now think that I will replace the lens with a LED. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            THANKS VERY MUCH  Mike Gardner




                                                                                                                                                                                                                          On Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:20 AM, "'Doug Peck' doug@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          We offer those, as well as various screw-in LED bulbs.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          <<< The great fix is to substitute an led for the lens itself, which produces a nice blue/white beam.>>>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Doug Peck
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          6 Storeybrooke Drive
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          doug@...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          www.portlines.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77034 From: bud9351 Date: 12/10/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Hello,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                             A friend of mine has gotten his AF out of the boxes and has re done his PA's with a new paint job and decals. He now wants to have made windshield "glass" to upgrade their appearance even more. He is proposing to have clear styrene inserts made that would install within the opening, not glued in from inside the shell. The goal is to make them nearly flush with the outside. They would be a light press fit and could be fixed with a canopy type glue for clear plastics. Thickness is probably around .010" to .015", comparable to that used in candy molds.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                             We are asking for interest in these to see if it is worthwhile to have a bunch made. Price still to be determined depending on quantities, but expected to be reasonably priced. I have no financial interest in this project, just trying to help out a friend who is not on this list.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Please respond off list if you have any interest in getting some of these.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Bud Rindfleisch
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77035 From: traindavid Date: 12/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: AMs Pacific trailing truck derails
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Hi all; I'm repairing a friend's AM Pacific, and it has a trailing truck
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          that doesn't like to back through AF switches. I seem to recall that there
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          was a fix for this mentioned some time ago. I forget the "fix" and I can't
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          find it with my search engines. Anyone have some answers or know where I can
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          go for them?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          David D.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77036 From: poniaj Date: 12/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bud,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'd be interested in two pair.  I've a couple of Alcos that are in dire need of a paint job.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Jerry
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77037 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 12/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I would be interested in them. Chris Burger


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          From: "BlackDiamondRR@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 6:44 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: [S-Trains] Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Hello,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                             A friend of mine has gotten his AF out of the boxes and has re done his PA's with a new paint job and decals. He now wants to have made windshield "glass" to upgrade their appearance even more. He is proposing to have clear styrene inserts made that would install within the opening, not glued in from inside the shell. The goal is to make them nearly flush with the outside. They would be a light press fit and could be fixed with a canopy type glue for clear plastics. Thickness is probably around .010" to .015", comparable to that used in candy molds.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                             We are asking for interest in these to see if it is worthwhile to have a bunch made. Price still to be determined depending on quantities, but expected to be reasonably priced. I have no financial interest in this project, just trying to help out a friend who is not on this list.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Please respond off list if you have any interest in getting some of these.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Bud Rindfleisch


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77038 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Track source
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've been looking for some track along the lines of the old SHS code 131
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          that will allow me to run both scale and AF engines but have not been
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          successful, other than AM code 148


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Any recommendations to find some?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          thanks in advance
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          --
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Carey Probst
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Pennsyltucky RR
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Chief Microferroequineologist
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77039 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 12/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Larger local clubs out there?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Hey Budd, sorry it took awhile to get back to you, forgot I posted this.. The Cleveland models may not be coming back after all. I spent a lot of time tracking down the owner, and spent over an hour on the phone with him.. I offered to arrange everything for him, and let him give final approval. Well, he said yes, so I did, and he hasn't bothered to reply to any messages. Bummer. I was really looking forward to seeing the 2 complete sets, the old time steam freight and the streamlined passenger.. So anyways, since I apparently won't be tying up my meager savings in this venture, I bought a rather large 3D printer, and it should be here in a week or 2. For the life of me, I can't figure out how to message or email you thru the group.. Any idea what I'm missing? Some computer stuff I'm great at, like learning 3D programming, but sending out a simple email, I'm lost..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jim

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77040 From: keyhole_corona Date: 12/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I could definitely use at last 6 of them maybe more!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77041 From: Paul A Krause Date: 12/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Track source
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Attachments :

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Carey,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              MTH is supposed to have released the S-Helper Code138 flex track as their own product.  It supposedly only available as cases of 24-3m sections vs 6 packs.  If you hand lay your track you can use Micro Engineering Code 125.  I am doing that and it works very nicely for both S-Scale, Flyer and Hi-Rail.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              One disadvantage is hand laying the track.  But I got used to it and it is fun, just tedious and time consuming. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Another point, Code 125 rail does allow some Flyer and Flyonel wheel flanges to occasionally bottom out.  Not very often.  The worst offender I can think of is the Big Boy Tender with Flyonel flanges.  When I ran it on our club and my own layout you have to use small ¼” spikes and they have to be all the way pushed down into the ties.  Otherwise the flanges pick the spikes and cause the engine or tender to jump and if too high (not pressed down enough) could cause a derail.  Same with passenger and whatever. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If you sink the spikes all the way down, then Code 125 is fine!  We run Flyer, Flyonel, S-Helper, AM, whatever on it for our club and myself at my house, no problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              For Scale running, the Code 125 rail looks a tad high as if more modern (50s-90s) 150lb mainline rail.  But when it is installed and weathered it looks fine.  Code 100 looks better but only for scale.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hope this helps.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Best Regards

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Paul Krause

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            5 Chandler Lane

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            New Milford, CT 06776

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Email: pakrause5@...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Home Office#:  860-957-7279

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Mobile#: 203-512-2866

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Home#: 860-350-5144

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 9:55 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] Track source

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I've been looking for some track along the lines of the old SHS code 131
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            that will allow me to run both scale and AF engines but have not been
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            successful, other than AM code 148

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Any recommendations to find some?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            thanks in advance
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            --
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Carey Probst
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Pennsyltucky RR
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Chief Microferroequineologist

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77042 From: crossing5423 Date: 12/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi, Please put me down for six Thanks, Bob


                                                                                                                                                                                                                            tdoct@...




                                                                                                                                                                                                                            -----Original Message-----
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            From: keyhole_corona@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2015 1:14 pm
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's









                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I could definitely use at last 6 of them maybe more!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77043 From: Herb and Bev Lanier Date: 12/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If I understand this correctly, there will be two plastic windshields, leaving the six side windows open. I think I prefer the Flionel approach, one plastic insert covering all windows.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Herb
                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 2:08 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi, Please put me down for six Thanks, Bob

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            tdoct@...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            -----Original Message-----
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            From: keyhole_corona@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2015 1:14 pm
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I could definitely use at last 6 of them maybe more!



                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77044 From: Tom Hawley Date: 12/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Track source
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            From: 'Paul A Krause' pakrause5@... [S-Trains]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            . . . . . . only available as cases of 24-3m sections vs 6 packs. . . . . .
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            .
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            > > > > > >
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Was SHS flex track not 40 inches, to match exactly four 10-inch sectional
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            track sections?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                            MTH has shortened it to one meter, shortening it by 0.63 inches ??


                                                                                                                                                                                                                            tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77045 From: Tom Date: 12/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Track source
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            SHS flex track was 40”.  I used plenty of it on my layout.  It’s good stuff.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            On Dec 11, 2015, at 2:05 PM, 'Tom Hawley' t.hawley@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ----- Original Message ----- 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            From: 'Paul A Krause' pakrause5@... [S-Trains]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            . . . . . . only available as cases of 24-3m sections vs 6 packs. . . . . . 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            .
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            > > > > > >
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Was SHS flex track not 40 inches, to match exactly four 10-inch sectional 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            track sections?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            MTH has shortened it to one meter, shortening it by 0.63 inches ??

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan 


                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77046 From: Tom Date: 12/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: SHS track equivalents
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Carey,


                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The Flyonel Fastrak is the equivalent of the SHS rail size. I don't know how you feel about the ballasted sectional track but it provides what you're seeking. It is actually nice track. I own Flyonel Fastrak, along with SHS flex track and SHS sectional track, and they are compatible with other. A slight modification is necessary to connect the Flyonel to the SHS track but it is easy to do. I assume the MTH track will be like the SHS track. I have all of them installed on various sections of my layout and they work well together. The one additional thing I did is to paint the ballasted track as on my layout because the gray color is not what I wanted. It is hand painted and took some time and patience to do but it looks good. My approach may not be for everyone but it is fine for me.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Tom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77047 From: racin510 Date: 12/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I would be interested. Lionel Flyer PA's had similar windshield glass.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77048 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 12/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: SHS track equivalents
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi Tom:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Do you have a picture of the painted track vs the unpainted?  I am interested in what color you used to paint it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            tx
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            On 12/11/2015 23:19, Tom detmer@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Carey,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The Flyonel Fastrak is the equivalent of the SHS rail size. I don't know how you feel about the ballasted sectional track but it provides what you're seeking. It is actually nice track. I own Flyonel Fastrak, along with SHS flex track and SHS sectional track, and they are compatible with other. A slight modification is necessary to connect the Flyonel to the SHS track but it is easy to do. I assume the MTH track will be like the SHS track. I have all of them installed on various sections of my layout and they work well together. The one additional thing I did is to paint the ballasted track as on my layout because the gray color is not what I wanted. It is hand painted and took some time and patience to do but it looks good. My approach may not be for everyone but it is fine for me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Tom





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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77049 From: Tom Date: 12/11/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: SHS track equivalents
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi Rance,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I’d be happy to send a couple of pictures.  I’ll get them off within a day or so.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Tom

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            On Dec 11, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi Tom:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Do you have a picture of the painted track vs the unpainted?  I am interested in what color you used to paint it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            tx
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            On 12/11/2015 23:19, Tom detmer@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Carey,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The Flyonel Fastrak is the equivalent of the SHS rail size. I don't know how you feel about the ballasted sectional track but it provides what you're seeking. It is actually nice track. I own Flyonel Fastrak, along with SHS flex track and SHS sectional track, and they are compatible with other. A slight modification is necessary to connect the Flyonel to the SHS track but it is easy to do. I assume the MTH track will be like the SHS track. I have all of them installed on various sections of my layout and they work well together. The one additional thing I did is to paint the ballasted track as on my layout because the gray color is not what I wanted. It is hand painted and took some time and patience to do but it looks good. My approach may not be for everyone but it is fine for me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Tom





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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77050 From: bud9351 Date: 12/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes, the decision to make these new inserts was because getting replacements from Lionel is next to impossible. Not knowing exactly what Lionel's look like, but assuming "cast" plastic and thick, the new ones would be much thinner and clearer.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Bud Rindfleisch
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77051 From: bud9351 Date: 12/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Larger local clubs out there?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jim,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes that is a bummer! Well, you can email me here...blackdiamondrr "at"gmail"dot"com. See if that works.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   Bud Rindfleisch
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77052 From: bud9351 Date: 12/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Herb,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                               The original intent was just to make the front windshields as those seem to be the most noticeable without glass. I am trying to persuade my friend to do the side windows also, but this would obviously add to the final cost as three pieces would be needed for each side, the door, the roll down and the triangular vent window.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                               We know Lionel's one piece section fits all windows, but try to order them direct from Lionel.....nada!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bud Rindfleisch
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77053 From: bud9351 Date: 12/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bob,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                               OK, six sets it is.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Bud Rindfleisch
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77054 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 12/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: track sour

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Micro Engineering also has .132” rail.  The problem I had with ME rail, that isn’t made for H0, is the head width being for 0 gauge at .060”.  The old SHS and all the new clones have a head width of .048”.  If head width is not a concern for you then ME, Old Pullman and Right-O-Way have 0 gauge rail you could use.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If you want to get SHS profile rail way cheaper than MTH flex, my suggestion would be to get some people together and have it made.  These prices are two years old but it will give you an idea about price and volume:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Profile Nickel Silver Wire CuNi18Zn20 (NS106), in Lengths

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Size:                            to drg SHS o/a 0.138” x 0.1055”

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Quantity:                      100 lbs (5,000’)                  Price:       $27.75/lb

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            200 lbs (10,000’)                                $19.90/lb

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            400 lbs (20,000’)                                $18.80/lb

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Tooling:                       Partial tooling and development charge $2400.00 l/s

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Delivery:                       8 – 10 weeks from order

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Delivered:                     CIF Boston

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Terms:                         Tooling with order, material prior to despatch

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Good luck,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            In Maine

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77055 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 12/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: AMs Pacific trailing truck derails
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Simple and obviously over looked is the gauging of the wheels.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Chris


                                                                                                                                                                                                                            From: "djdewey@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 2:27 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] AMs Pacific trailing truck derails

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi all; I'm repairing a friend's AM Pacific, and it has a trailing truck
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            that doesn't like to back through AF switches. I seem to recall that there
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            was a fix for this mentioned some time ago. I forget the "fix" and I can't
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            find it with my search engines. Anyone have some answers or know where I can
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            go for them?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            David D.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77056 From: wema103 Date: 12/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Road Crossing Signals
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hello Group,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Are there any good RR crossing signals out there for S scale? It seems to be a lot of O, HO and N but not much for S.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Any good recommendations?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77057 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 13 December 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              When
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sunday, 13 December 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Where
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              From
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              S-Trains   Calendar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 77058 From: Tom Date: 12/12/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Crossing signals
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Take look at Z Stuff signals. They're really nice for S.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I think there are a couple of other manufacturers out there too.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Tom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 77059 From: Don Abrams Date: 12/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bob,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've two Santa Fe AB sets and a NH AA set awaiting windshields so sign me up for four sets.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Don Abrams
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 77060 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 13 December 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                When
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sunday, 13 December 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Where
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                From
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 77061 From: bud9351 Date: 12/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Don,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    OK, got you in for four sets. Bear in mind that this is still in the planning stage to test feasibility and material durability and then the cost factor can be worked out.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Bud Rindfleisch
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 77062 From: fahrwud Date: 12/13/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 13 December 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hi everybody,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It seems like our Sunday chat crowd is getting very thin, but also there seem to be tech issues with the chat-room. Can anybody chip in? Are you having difficulty staying in the room, getting booted, having "phantom" presences, etc? Just curiosity. Any ideas or thoughts welcome.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                FW
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Group: S-Trains Message: 77063 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Subject: dr connaly, Monday, 14 December 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "dr connaly" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  When
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Monday, 14 December 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  07:00 AM to 07:30 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Where
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  bell road 2:00 wed 12/16
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  From
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  S-Trains   Calendar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77064 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 12/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Sound low on Polar Express
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Could it be I an running off the AC on a HO power pack and the voltage is less?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks in advance Jim Sleeth
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77065 From: James Lyle Date: 12/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Maybe re-engineer before rejecting idea.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jim Lyle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On Dec 12, 2015, at 9:09 AM, BlackDiamondRR@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Herb,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     The original intent was just to make the front windshields as those seem to be the most noticeable without glass. I am trying to persuade my friend to do the side windows also, but this would obviously add to the final cost as three pieces would be needed for each side, the door, the roll down and the triangular vent window.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     We know Lionel's one piece section fits all windows, but try to order them direct from Lionel.....nada!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bud Rindfleisch
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77066 From: acgilbertguy Date: 12/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: 44-tonner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Anyone know of any 44-tonners available/manufactured in s-gauge?  Either kit form or complete?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  acgilbertguy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77067 From: bud9351 Date: 12/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jim,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     I guess that would be up to the guy who wanted to do these. Any additional "glass" would obviously add to the cost.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Also, anyone wanting these has to realize there will be some effort on the part of the buyer to install them using a little careful fitting and positioning and the use of a canopy glue (dries clear and stays somewhat flexible). I suppose a brief bit of instructions and installation tips would be included in the "kit".
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     I personally have had some success installing similar window material using a small bellows suction tool from Micro Mark to pick up and hold onto the windows while positioning them.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bud Rindfleisch
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77068 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: 44-tonner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jim King at Smoky Mountain Model works has a kit check them out at:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:05:48 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] 44-tonner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Anyone know of any 44-tonners available/manufactured in s-gauge?  Either kit form or complete?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  acgilbertguy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77069 From: tennsgauger Date: 12/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Sound low on Polar Express-Anyone tested the other new Berkshire
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Just got my S Gaugian today and the new Bershires look mighty tempting.  I was ready to send an email out to the group on inquire if anyone has received and had an opportunity to test it?  I am especially interested in the sound.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   - Earl Henry, Nashville 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  In a message dated 12/14/2015 4:30:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Could it be I an running off the AC on a HO power pack and the voltage is less?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks in advance Jim Sleeth

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77070 From: Frank Emiro Date: 12/14/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Sound low on Polar Express-Anyone tested the other new Berkshire
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You might need an iPhone to view this. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77071 From: acgilbertguy Date: 12/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: 44-tonner
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Robert, thanks for the info.  I checked out their website and what they offer looks nice. I neglected to mention however that I run AC Flyer on Flyer track, so am looking for a 44 Tonner compatible with what I have.  Again, thanks for responding to my post.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77072 From: James Lyle Date: 12/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tool-Good idea.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wardie Jay TinPlate Ties

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:19 PM, BlackDiamondRR@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jim,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     I guess that would be up to the guy who wanted to do these. Any additional "glass" would obviously add to the cost.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Also, anyone wanting these has to realize there will be some effort on the part of the buyer to install them using a little careful fitting and positioning and the use of a canopy glue (dries clear and stays somewhat flexible). I suppose a brief bit of instructions and installation tips would be included in the "kit".
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     I personally have had some success installing similar window material using a small bellows suction tool from Micro Mark to pick up and hold onto the windows while positioning them.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bud Rindfleisch
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77073 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/15/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Sound low on Polar Express
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I tested mine using everything but what you are using and it worked fine.  I checked all the features to make sure I wasn't going to have to send it back, considering it is a Lionel Product and we know how reliable they are.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On the wall power brick supplied, everything functioned.  I then tried it on conventional power from a 17B 190 watt transformer with the switch changed to conventional.   It took a few seconds to respond, but then functioned fine.  Lights in cars dimmed based on voltage, but that is what I would expect.  Then I went back to remote with 16
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  v AC from the transformer and again it worked fine.  I reduced the voltage and it still functioned down to about 7 or 8 volts, with speed still adequate, though not top speed.  I can't recall if that lower voltage reduced the volume of sounds significantly though. Through it all, the sounds did work.  I didn't check the whistle or bell on conventional power as I had no DC injection button. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Actually I had to tone down the sounds as they were a bit loud, but it was a quiet setting with no one else home.   At a train show a friend's set wasn't so loud, but I am not sure where he had the volume set.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think the amperage of the HO transformer may be the limiting factor.   Try the included power supply or a more powerful AF or Lionel transformer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dale Smith

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On 12/14/2015 2:17 PM, JAMES SLEETH aztecfan@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Could it be I an running off the AC on a HO power pack and the voltage is less?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks in advance Jim Sleeth

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77074 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Sound low on Polar Express
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  We have several members in the Badgerland group who have purchased the P
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  E sets. These do have adequate sound but they definitely do nor have the
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  volume of the Legacy or the TMCC engines that Lionel has produced for
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  American Flyer. Might it be a less expensive speaker in these sets?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ray
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77075 From: Bill Clark Date: 12/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Sound low on Polar Express
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My guess is that the sets are aimed at kids who have excellent hearing and will be running it in their home. There is plenty of volume for that environment. I think it is a great set and am thankful to Lionel for building it for American Flyer. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bill

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sent from my iPhone

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On Dec 16, 2015, at 6:49 AM, Ray Puls rpuls3@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  We have several members in the Badgerland group who have purchased the P
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  E sets. These do have adequate sound but they definitely do nor have the
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  volume of the Legacy or the TMCC engines that Lionel has produced for
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  American Flyer. Might it be a less expensive speaker in these sets?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ray

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77076 From: Dr Trains Date: 12/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Items for sale
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hi all, have following for sale:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. Lionel/AF scale 40" drive wheel conversion kit  for U33C diesel, consists of six axles with appropriate gears and bearings. New with faom cut out insert and box original box.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  $30.00 plus $5.00 shipping total of $35, Can pay by check if you are willing to wait 2-3 weeks for check to clear, or via PayPal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Lionel/ AF # 6-48830 Western Pacific, California Zephyr "Silver Dollar", vista dome car new in original box, never taken out of box.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  $35.00 plus 13.00 shipping. Can pay by check if you are willing to wait 2-3 weeks for check to clear, or via PayPal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. Lionel/AF #6-      Union Pacific 4-6-6-4 "Challenger" in gorgeous "grey hound" paint scheme, and smoke deflectors. New, all original items including interior factory wrapping, foam protective carton insert and  outer Lionel shipping carton.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Loco and tender were removed from box for photo documentation. Lots of photos available.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Paid close to $1000.00 with list price plus shipping.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  $875.00 including basic (lowest cost) shipping. Can pay by check if you are willing to wait 2-3 weeks for check to clear, or via PayPal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  4. AHL 1:64 Mack model CJ #L52403 Double axle tractor and 40' box trailer, Dark blue labeled for "White Rock sparkling beverages" with colorful "fairy" logo. New w. original box and plastic clear pack (box is shelf worn and one end damaged).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  $20.00 plus $7.00 shipping..Can pay by check if you are willing to wait 2-3 weeks for check to clear, or via PayPal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Note: contact me off list if you are seriously interested, have photos of all items listed, photos are high resolution and may take a while to download, and can not be done via yahoo...I will give you with more specifics and details on any above item.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Can combine shipping on all items except the 4-6-6-4 loco, its in a very large box.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  thanks for looking, have a splendid and safe holiday season,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Peter Loeb



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77077 From: frank emiro Date: 12/16/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Sound low on Polar Express
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LOL, but true. I fully agree with Bill.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Frank R. EMIRO


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On Wed, 12/16/15, Bill Clark billclark424@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sound low on Polar Express
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2015, 8:21 AM


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   









                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My guess is that the sets are aimed at
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kids who have excellent hearing and will be running it in
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  their home. There is plenty of volume for that environment.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think it is a great set and am thankful to Lionel for
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  building it for American Flyer. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bill

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sent from my iPhone
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On Dec 16, 2015, at 6:49 AM, Ray Puls rpuls3@...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  wrote:






























                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   









                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  We have several members in the Badgerland group who
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  have purchased the P

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  E sets. These do have adequate sound but they definitely do
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  nor have the

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  volume of the Legacy or the TMCC engines that Lionel has
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  produced for

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  American Flyer. Might it be a less expensive speaker in
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  these sets?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ray

































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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77078 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 12/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: small sound amp needed for
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ring units and Polar Express.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  We are too old too hear and the Lionel Flyer engines seem to have them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jim Sleeth
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77079 From: srgriggs Date: 12/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Berkshire Shipping Date

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Lionel online shipping schedule shows a December 2015 ship date for the prototype railroad Flyerchief Berkshire locomotives.  Has anybody heard anything about these products shipping?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Scott Griggs

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Louisville, KY

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77080 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 12/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: small sound amp needed for
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks for putting this in large type!  :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jim Ensign


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  From: "JAMES SLEETH aztecfan@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 9:32:51 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: [S-Trains] small sound amp needed for

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ring units and Polar Express.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  We are too old too hear and the Lionel Flyer engines seem to have them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jim Sleeth



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77081 From: racin510 Date: 12/17/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Berkshire Shipping Date
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Getting mine thru Charles Ro and they expected to ship end of Dec.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77082 From: JOHN RUTH Date: 12/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: PE Control
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Merry Christmas to all,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Our ACSG Carolinas club is running a Christmas Show in Burlington, NC, and we had two members PE units on one track. We thought that we could run them independently but found that only one remote would control both engines. What has been the experience of anyone else?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  They ran fine with the exception of some places on the track where there was a electrical pick up problem. One unit's sound was noticeably louder than the other, but with the crowd noise it did not make any difference.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jack Ruth
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77083 From: Bill Clark Date: 12/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: PE Control
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  All the PE locos/remotes are identified by the same "ID code", thus they all will be controlled by any remote that came with a PE set. According to Lionel, each FlyerChief loco product will have its own ID. Thus the 5 Berkshires will each have their own ID, so that you could control multiples on the track each using its own remote. But you still couldn't have two of the same "type" (product code). So you could run an Erie with a Nickel Plate, but not two Eries.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There is a LionChief version of the remote that allows you to run 3 trains at once. It can load the ID from the locos on the track, thus is not permanently tied to a specific loco type. Not sure if that will be implemented in AF.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bill

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On 12/18/2015 7:55 AM, JOHN RUTH afdinger@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Merry Christmas to all,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Our ACSG Carolinas club is running a Christmas Show in Burlington, NC, and we had two members PE units on one track. We thought that we could run them independently but found that only one remote would control both engines. What has been the experience of anyone else?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  They ran fine with the exception of some places on the track where there was a electrical pick up problem. One unit's sound was noticeably louder than the other, but with the crowd noise it did not make any difference.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jack Ruth

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77084 From: snstrains Date: 12/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: PE Control
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  DCC is a lot simpler when it comes to running more than one train on the same track.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Boise, Idaho
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  In a message dated 12/18/2015 8:46:33 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  All the PE locos/remotes are identified by the same "ID code", thus they all will be controlled by any remote that came with a PE set. According to Lionel, each FlyerChief loco product will have its own ID. Thus the 5 Berkshires will each have their own ID, so that you could control multiples on the track each using its own remote. But you still couldn't have two of the same "type" (product code). So you could run an Erie with a Nickel Plate, but not two Eries.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There is a LionChief version of the remote that allows you to run 3 trains at once. It can load the ID from the locos on the track, thus is not permanently tied to a specific loco type. Not sure if that will be implemented in AF.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bill

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On 12/18/2015 7:55 AM, JOHN RUTH afdinger@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Merry Christmas to all,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Our ACSG Carolinas club is running a Christmas Show in Burlington, NC, and we had two members PE units on one track. We thought that we could run them independently but found that only one remote would control both engines. What has been the experience of anyone else?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  They ran fine with the exception of some places on the track where there was a electrical pick up problem. One unit's sound was noticeably louder than the other, but with the crowd noise it did not make any difference.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jack Ruth

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77085 From: Bill Clark Date: 12/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: PE Control
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hi Steve,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  DCC is way more flexible, but I'm not sure I'd claim that it is simpler!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bill

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On 12/18/2015 11:38 AM, boss31@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  DCC is a lot simpler when it comes to running more than one train on the same track.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Boise, Idaho
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  In a message dated 12/18/2015 8:46:33 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  All the PE locos/remotes are identified by the same "ID code", thus they all will be controlled by any remote that came with a PE set. According to Lionel, each FlyerChief loco product will have its own ID. Thus the 5 Berkshires will each have their own ID, so that you could control multiples on the track each using its own remote. But you still couldn't have two of the same "type" (product code). So you could run an Erie with a Nickel Plate, but not two Eries.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There is a LionChief version of the remote that allows you to run 3 trains at once. It can load the ID from the locos on the track, thus is not permanently tied to a specific loco type. Not sure if that will be implemented in AF.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bill

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On 12/18/2015 7:55 AM, JOHN RUTH afdinger@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Merry Christmas to all,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Our ACSG Carolinas club is running a Christmas Show in Burlington, NC, and we had two members PE units on one track. We thought that we could run them independently but found that only one remote would control both engines. What has been the experience of anyone else?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  They ran fine with the exception of some places on the track where there was a electrical pick up problem. One unit's sound was noticeably louder than the other, but with the crowd noise it did not make any difference.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jack Ruth


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77086 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: PE Control
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Is there any reason why the Lion Chief 3 engine control wouldn't work with Flyer locomotives?  Isn't it the same system, or does the control only accept a limited set of O gauge engine id's.   It seems to me that such filtering would prevent future locomotives, including O gauge ones, from connecting to the control?  Or do the O gauge engines send a signal that says "I'm O gauge, connect me."  In any case, it seems that any thing that limits connectivity would increase costs and decrease sales potential.   Or do things not have to make sense at Lionel?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dale Smith
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On 12/18/2015 7:04 AM, Bill Clark billclark424@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  All the PE locos/remotes are identified by the same "ID code", thus they all will be controlled by any remote that came with a PE set. According to Lionel, each FlyerChief loco product will have its own ID. Thus the 5 Berkshires will each have their own ID, so that you could control multiples on the track each using its own remote. But you still couldn't have two of the same "type" (product code). So you could run an Erie with a Nickel Plate, but not two Eries.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There is a LionChief version of the remote that allows you to run 3 trains at once. It can load the ID from the locos on the track, thus is not permanently tied to a specific loco type. Not sure if that will be implemented in AF.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bill

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On 12/18/2015 7:55 AM, JOHN RUTH afdinger@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Merry Christmas to all,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Our ACSG Carolinas club is running a Christmas Show in Burlington, NC, and we had two members PE units on one track. We thought that we could run them independently but found that only one remote would control both engines. What has been the experience of anyone else?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  They ran fine with the exception of some places on the track where there was a electrical pick up problem. One unit's sound was noticeably louder than the other, but with the crowd noise it did not make any difference.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jack Ruth


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77087 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 12/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Will the Lionel crossover handle scale?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am also interested in Lionel turn outs being able to handle scale wheels as well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Don't think they have been ship yet?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Though the crossovers might shed some light on the turn outs?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jim Sleeth
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77088 From: srgriggs Date: 12/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: Berkshire Shipping Date
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Which road name(s) did you order?  I ordered a NKP and Southern 2716.  I've wanted Lionel to do a Van Sweringen Berkshire for years.  Can't wait to get them!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77089 From: Bill Clark Date: 12/18/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: PE Control
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Personally, I think Lionel is trying hard to make sense, and doing a good job. The market was a LOT simpler in the 40s and 50s, when 99% of the sales were to kids younger than 15. I believe that the LionTech will work with AF locos at some time. Looking at the Lionel site, there are a set of locos that are LionChief Plus. They aren't all that expensive, so I'm guessing the "plus" is referring to new features. The page I'm looking at is:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.lionel.com/brands/lionchief-plus

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I haven't been able to find a technical description, so its all speculation at this point.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bill

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On 12/18/2015 1:18 PM, Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Is there any reason why the Lion Chief 3 engine control wouldn't work with Flyer locomotives?  Isn't it the same system, or does the control only accept a limited set of O gauge engine id's.   It seems to me that such filtering would prevent future locomotives, including O gauge ones, from connecting to the control?  Or do the O gauge engines send a signal that says "I'm O gauge, connect me."  In any case, it seems that any thing that limits connectivity would increase costs and decrease sales potential.   Or do things not have to make sense at Lionel?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dale Smith
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On 12/18/2015 7:04 AM, Bill Clark billclark424@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  All the PE locos/remotes are identified by the same "ID code", thus they all will be controlled by any remote that came with a PE set. According to Lionel, each FlyerChief loco product will have its own ID. Thus the 5 Berkshires will each have their own ID, so that you could control multiples on the track each using its own remote. But you still couldn't have two of the same "type" (product code). So you could run an Erie with a Nickel Plate, but not two Eries.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There is a LionChief version of the remote that allows you to run 3 trains at once. It can load the ID from the locos on the track, thus is not permanently tied to a specific loco type. Not sure if that will be implemented in AF.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bill

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On 12/18/2015 7:55 AM, JOHN RUTH afdinger@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Merry Christmas to all,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Our ACSG Carolinas club is running a Christmas Show in Burlington, NC, and we had two members PE units on one track. We thought that we could run them independently but found that only one remote would control both engines. What has been the experience of anyone else?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  They ran fine with the exception of some places on the track where there was a electrical pick up problem. One unit's sound was noticeably louder than the other, but with the crowd noise it did not make any difference.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jack Ruth



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77090 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/19/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: PE Control
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I looked at the link and it seems pretty much like the Flyer Chief controls and features, so I am betting that the Lion Chief Control would work, but for me it is moot at this point as I have only the one Flyer Chief locomotive.  I do have to give Lionel credit for devising this system that gives many features of more complex control systems in a simpler system and at a lot less cost.  They mentioned that it runs on TMCC and Legacy, but I would bet only with its own control, not with a system control.  I saw a video of someone running it on a DCC layout also.  I guess anything that puts a constant voltage of either AC or DC, coded or otherwise, on the rails will work.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Since this is my first Lionel purchase in quite a while and, based on other's reports of problems with Lionel products, I did check it out thoroughly to see if it had any quality control issues and I must say, it checked out beautifully.  It even ran, as claimed, at lower than optimal voltages.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My comment about it making sense or not was related to it being illogical and counterproductive to produce seemingly identical, but gauge specific systems.  I too give Lionel credit for this one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dale

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On 12/18/2015 1:34 PM, Bill Clark billclark424@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Personally, I think Lionel is trying hard to make sense, and doing a good job. The market was a LOT simpler in the 40s and 50s, when 99% of the sales were to kids younger than 15. I believe that the LionTech will work with AF locos at some time. Looking at the Lionel site, there are a set of locos that are LionChief Plus. They aren't all that expensive, so I'm guessing the "plus" is referring to new features. The page I'm looking at is:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.lionel.com/brands/lionchief-plus

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I haven't been able to find a technical description, so its all speculation at this point.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bill

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On 12/18/2015 1:18 PM, Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Is there any reason why the Lion Chief 3 engine control wouldn't work with Flyer locomotives?  Isn't it the same system, or does the control only accept a limited set of O gauge engine id's.   It seems to me that such filtering would prevent future locomotives, including O gauge ones, from connecting to the control?  Or do the O gauge engines send a signal that says "I'm O gauge, connect me."  In any case, it seems that any thing that limits connectivity would increase costs and decrease sales potential.   Or do things not have to make sense at Lionel?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dale Smith
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On 12/18/2015 7:04 AM, Bill Clark billclark424@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  All the PE locos/remotes are identified by the same "ID code", thus they all will be controlled by any remote that came with a PE set. According to Lionel, each FlyerChief loco product will have its own ID. Thus the 5 Berkshires will each have their own ID, so that you could control multiples on the track each using its own remote. But you still couldn't have two of the same "type" (product code). So you could run an Erie with a Nickel Plate, but not two Eries.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There is a LionChief version of the remote that allows you to run 3 trains at once. It can load the ID from the locos on the track, thus is not permanently tied to a specific loco type. Not sure if that will be implemented in AF.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bill

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On 12/18/2015 7:55 AM, JOHN RUTH afdinger@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Merry Christmas to all,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Our ACSG Carolinas club is running a Christmas Show in Burlington, NC, and we had two members PE units on one track. We thought that we could run them independently but found that only one remote would control both engines. What has been the experience of anyone else?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  They ran fine with the exception of some places on the track where there was a electrical pick up problem. One unit's sound was noticeably louder than the other, but with the crowd noise it did not make any difference.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jack Ruth




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77091 From: traindavid Date: 12/19/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: Re: PE control
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Well, that's a surprise (all PE locos on the same channel) as the
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  instructions sounded like the controller in your set would run your
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  locomotive only. However, thinking about manufacturing costs, life is
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  simpler for them with one frequency, and they'd have to label each set box,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  loco and controller with its frequency, another complication (not a big one,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  stickers are pretty cheap, but still a complication).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  As for Bill comment that the marketing was to 14 year-olds, well SOME of the
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  marketing was aimed at them, so they'd bug their folks for trains, but the
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  main marketing was to the parents to buy them, and especially to the Mothers
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  who usually did the shopping. ACG recognized that early on! However, I
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  noticed they never tied in their vibrator line with the train line. . . .
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Err, uh, back to your regular programming!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  David D.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 77092 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/19/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 20 December 2015
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Where
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 77093 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/20/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 20 December 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      When
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sunday, 20 December 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Where
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77094 From: rogermeekhof Date: 12/20/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sounds like a great idea. I would certainly purchase some.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If you have access to precision molding, another consideration might be

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      a insert for the ALCO coupler cutout.  Like a 470 to 360 front coupler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      design, just may be able to sell as many of those.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Just my 2 cents, thanks for the effort


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Roger

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77095 From: trndad Date: 12/21/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: PE Control
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      In the latest Lionel catalog the description for the Lionchief Universal Remote says it can control any existing S gauge FlyerChief locomotive.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Dean

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77096 From: bud9351 Date: 12/21/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Windshields for the Am Flyer PA's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Roger,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          A cast plastic filler for the AF PA pilot opening sounds like a good idea, However, my friend who I was just speaking for on the list as he is not on it, only wanted windshields for himself and asked me to put out a feeler for how many others might want them. I don't think he cares to go into business making cast plastic parts. maybe Bill Lane with his 3D capabilities would be willing to consider those. He recently made a 3D pilot filler in resin for the Am Models Trainmasters.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Bud Rindfleisch
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77097 From: srgriggs Date: 12/22/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I received an email shipping notification today from Charles Ro for a 17lb package with Dec 24th expected delivery. The only thing I've ordered from them recently are two Flyonel Berkshire locomotives. Has anyone else who ordered Berks received a shipping notice?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Scott Griggs
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Louisville, KY
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77098 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 12/22/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Good evening Scott.  I received a delivery notice from Charles Ro for my C & O Berkshire locomotive.   Delivery is scheduled for tomorrow December 23.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bob Iannacone

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Brentwood, TN

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 9:03 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Berkshires shipping

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I received an email shipping notification today from Charles Ro for a 17lb package with Dec 24th expected delivery. The only thing I've ordered from them recently are two Flyonel Berkshire locomotives. Has anyone else who ordered Berks received a shipping notice?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Scott Griggs
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Louisville, KY

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77099 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I got the shipping notice from FedEx on Monday, the NKP Berk should
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      arrive this afternoon.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ray
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77100 From: reefma_99 Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ray,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Who did you order from?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Doug K 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On 12/23/15, Ray Puls rpuls3@... [S-Trains]com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I got the shipping notice from FedEx on Monday, the NKP Berk should
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      arrive this afternoon.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ray

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77101 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Did anyone buy an extra NKP Berk they would be willing to sell?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Neil in Oregon
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77102 From: claudino.john Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Merry Christmas
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wish You all Merry Chrismas and all the best for the New Year!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      John Claudino


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77103 From: poniaj Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Berkshires Shipped
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It's Christmas Eve Eve and I got my Berk this morning.  A few observations: The instruction manual says that you should lubricate the contact rollers.  Hey, Lionel, this is S not O!  Second, the manual refers to two LEDs that don't need servicing while in another place, it says there's no light in the tender.  Must have lost something in translation.  Third, the little rod that some folks referred to as a magnet is different in mine, and the manual refers to it as a 3/16 nut driver that removes the side rods if traction tire replacement is needed. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Running observations later.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The thing looks GOOD ! ! !

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jerry Poniatowski


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77104 From: traindavid Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      OK guys, we expect a FULL report within minutes of your opening the
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      box(es)!! What are they like; added on handrails or cast, etc. etc. etc!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      :)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yeah, I know it's close to Christmas, what does that have to do with it???
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      (Heh, heh, heh!)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77105 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Custom Wheels
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I am in need of 16 custom wheels for two electric locomotives I plan on building. They need to be 46 scale inches in diameter or 23/32 actual inch or in metric about 18.25mm. They should be 10 spoke and if on axles one side needs to be insulated. The axles should be 3.32 in diameter and the wheels gauged for S scale standard gauge. I have asked Fred Rouse of S Scale Loco & Supply but he said no can do.Jim king of Smoky Mountain Model Works said the same but also suggested England. I did email a couple places but after my initial email I have received no replies. Does anyone have any other suggestions?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Kalispedll,MT


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77106 From: poniaj Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      An update to my previous post:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well, looks aren't everything.  It doesn't run.  I followed the directions to a T and all I could manage was it running a foot down the track, and it dies.  The "motor lockout" feature seems to have tripped.  Sometimes it will go full throttle when I just crack it to step one, then die a foot farther down the track.  It doesn't matter if it's transformer controlled or remote controlled.  Yup, new batteries.  Yup, correct remote.  Yup, it's been lubricated sparingly.  Yup, a few drops of smoke fluid to prevent element burn out.  Yup, all switches under the cab are thrown correctly.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      By the way, the reverse light in the tender doesn't light.  At least one part of the instruction manual is correct.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This thing is going back as soon as I can manage it.  But I think the dealers will be swamped with returns.  This thing is a piece of junk.  I will NEVER buy another Lionel engine again!  These new Berks were supposed to have been assembled at a different place than the PE set, but it doesn't look like it.  I thought I had problems with me PE set, but at least it runs... for now.  I'm just waiting for it to crap out too. The new Berkshire joins a long line of Flyonel things that don't work or were sent from their factory incorrectly assembled.  My Commemorative Docksider had the whole pick up assembly poorly assembled, but I found it easier to repair it myself since it cost less than a hundred dollars.  My U33 has no sound any more, but it's too late to send it back.  An early EP5 which was supposed to have sound, has it intermittently.  But at least it runs.  I won't even go into trucks on rolling stock that have had side frames fall off and were horribly out of gauge.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It has been a running joke that I refer to modern electronic things in trains as "sparky stuff" (a term mechanical engineers use against electrical engineers).  But I never trusted any of it, and I now have good reason not to have that mistrust reinforced.  Make it more complicated, and there's more likelihood of something not working.  "More to go wrong" as my dad used to say.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From now on, I'll stick with either classic Gilbert items of things from American Models. 


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jerry Poniatowski

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77107 From: Frank Emiro Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Did the make them ? 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent from my iPhone

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On Dec 23, 2015, at 10:43 AM, NEIL FERRIS bowlsalot2@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Did anyone buy an extra NKP Berk they would be willing to sell?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Neil in Oregon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77108 From: Jim Schiele Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: PE

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Finally set up my PE set.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Runs great.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Two of the cars lights started to flicker and then went out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Checked bulbs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Any suggestions.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jim Schiele

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      83-19327

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77109 From: frank emiro Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: PE
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Is it three or five cars in the set ?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Frank R. EMIRO


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On Wed, 12/23/15, 'Jim Schiele' jschiele1@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] PE
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2015, 7:00 PM



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       









                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Finally set up my PE
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      set.Runs great.Two of the cars lights
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      started to flicker and then went out.Checked bulbs.Any suggestions.  Jim Schiele83-19327









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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77110 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jerry,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The problem is not the electronics itself, but more likely the incompetent engineer who designed it, the incompetent workers who assembled it, and the incompetent or non-existent quality control individuals who inspected it.   I have found that well designed electronics that is built properly with quality components will tend to be very dependable and long lasting.  It is quite possible that Flyonel may not adhere to this concept.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jerry F.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 2:01 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Berkshires shipping

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      An update to my previous post:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well, looks aren't everything.  It doesn't run.  I followed the directions to a T and all I could manage was it running a foot down the track, and it dies.  The "motor lockout" feature seems to have tripped.  Sometimes it will go full throttle when I just crack it to step one, then die a foot farther down the track.  It doesn't matter if it's transformer controlled or remote controlled.  Yup, new batteries.  Yup, correct remote.  Yup, it's been lubricated sparingly.  Yup, a few drops of smoke fluid to prevent element burn out.  Yup, all switches under the cab are thrown correctly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      By the way, the reverse light in the tender doesn't light.  At least one part of the instruction manual is correct.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This thing is going back as soon as I can manage it.  But I think the dealers will be swamped with returns.  This thing is a piece of junk.  I will NEVER buy another Lionel engine again!  These new Berks were supposed to have been assembled at a different place than the PE set, but it doesn't look like it.  I thought I had problems with me PE set, but at least it runs... for now.  I'm just waiting for it to crap out too. The new Berkshire joins a long line of Flyonel things that don't work or were sent from their factory incorrectly assembled.  My Commemorative Docksider had the whole pick up assembly poorly assembled, but I found it easier to repair it myself since it cost less than a hundred dollars.  My U33 has no sound any more, but it's too late to send it back.  An early EP5 which was supposed to have sound, has it intermittently.  But at least it runs.  I won't even go into trucks on rolling stock that have had side frames fall off and were horribly out of gauge.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It has been a running joke that I refer to modern electronic things in trains as "sparky stuff" (a term mechanical engineers use against electrical engineers).  But I never trusted any of it, and I now have good reason not to have that mistrust reinforced.  Make it more complicated, and there's more likelihood of something not working.  "More to go wrong" as my dad used to say.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From now on, I'll stick with either classic Gilbert items of things from American Models. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jerry Poniatowski

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77111 From: jhannawald Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: PE
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jim,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Mine did the same, seems they tried to save money by not providing enough wire to attach to the trucks.  Sent mine back got new wire and a solder connection instead of the glue used at the factory.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jim
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 7:00 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] PE
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Finally set up my PE set.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Runs great.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Two of the cars lights started to flicker and then went out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Checked bulbs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Any suggestions.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jim Schiele

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      83-19327

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77112 From: poniaj Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jerry,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The problem is not the electronics itself, but more likely the incompetent engineer who designed it, the incompetent workers who assembled it, and the incompetent or non-existent quality control individuals who inspected it.   I have found that well designed electronics that is built properly with quality components will tend to be very dependable and long lasting.  It is quite possible that Flyonel may not adhere to this concept.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jerry F.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      JF,


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If the engineers, workers, quality control persons, and inspectors were incompetent, then their product is bad.  I seriously doubt that Lionel has well designed electronics nor any sort of quality control.  I've heard too many stories of Lionel's systems not working to believe otherwise. 


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      JP

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77113 From: rick flaherty Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: PE
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sounds more like another company wants to go out of business, to me.  They never learn that saving a penny or two is committing popular suicide.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On a happier note:  What does your set look like?  I grew up on the Cheviot cut of the Air Line and was wondering if the set was diesel or electric.  I have to admit that I don’t follow all of the posts on this group, and have probably missed some information that would be helpful to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      An aside:  Does anyone know what happened to the SW1 that performed on that route, in the late 50s and the 60s?  I think it was 1010.  Loved that engine !

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The engineer even gave me a short ride, at Culver Junction.  SWEET !

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      God be with you all and Merry Christmas,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Rick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them." Albert Einstein

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of "jhannawald@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 5:08 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PE

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jim,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Mine did the same, seems they tried to save money by not providing enough wire to attach to the trucks.  Sent mine back got new wire and a solder connection instead of the glue used at the factory.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jim
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 7:00 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] PE
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Finally set up my PE set.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Runs great.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Two of the cars lights started to flicker and then went out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Checked bulbs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Any suggestions.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jim Schiele

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      83-19327

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        @@attachment@@
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77114 From: traindavid Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Those Flyone Berks.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I just got an email from Charles RO and it states that the PM 1225 & the NPR
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      765 are sold out--the others are "Limited". This will be interesting to
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      watch! Perhaps they were almost "built to order." Y'all who are getting one,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      post us what you receive! Photos too!! Inquiring minds want to know!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77115 From: Don Abrams Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jerry,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ran my C&O Berk at the hobby shop before heading home. Ran perfectly right out of the box using a Z4000 @ 18VAC and the supplied remote. Didn't lube it yet. I was thrilled with the appearance and operation. All functions worked as advertised. Big sound and big (2-chuff) smoke. I'm loving it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Don


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent from Don's iPad ! ! !
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77116 From: tennsgauger Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      In a message dated 12/23/2015 7:40:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jerry,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The problem is not the electronics itself, but more likely the incompetent engineer who designed it, the incompetent workers who assembled it, and the incompetent or non-existent quality control individuals who inspected it.   I have found that well designed electronics that is built properly with quality components will tend to be very dependable and long lasting.  It is quite possible that Flyonel may not adhere to this concept.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jerry F.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 2:01 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Berkshires shipping

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      An update to my previous post:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well, looks aren't everything.  It doesn't run.  I followed the directions to a T and all I could manage was it running a foot down the track, and it dies.  The "motor lockout" feature seems to have tripped.  Sometimes it will go full throttle when I just crack it to step one, then die a foot farther down the track.  It doesn't matter if it's transformer controlled or remote controlled.  Yup, new batteries.  Yup, correct remote.  Yup, it's been lubricated sparingly.  Yup, a few drops of smoke fluid to prevent element burn out.  Yup, all switches under the cab are thrown correctly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      By the way, the reverse light in the tender doesn't light.  At least one part of the instruction manual is correct.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This thing is going back as soon as I can manage it.  But I think the dealers will be swamped with returns.  This thing is a piece of junk.  I will NEVER buy another Lionel engine again!  These new Berks were supposed to have been assembled at a different place than the PE set, but it doesn't look like it.  I thought I had problems with me PE set, but at least it runs... for now.  I'm just waiting for it to crap out too. The new Berkshire joins a long line of Flyonel things that don't work or were sent from their factory incorrectly assembled.  My Commemorative Docksider had the whole pick up assembly poorly assembled, but I found it easier to repair it myself since it cost less than a hundred dollars.  My U33 has no sound any more, but it's too late to send it back.  An early EP5 which was supposed to have sound, has it intermittently.  But at least it runs.  I won't even go into trucks on rolling stock that have had side frames fall off and were horribly out of gauge.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It has been a running joke that I refer to modern electronic things in trains as "sparky stuff" (a term mechanical engineers use against electrical engineers).  But I never trusted any of it, and I now have good reason not to have that mistrust reinforced.  Make it more complicated, and there's more likelihood of something not working.  "More to go wrong" as my dad used to say.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From now on, I'll stick with either classic Gilbert items of things from American Models. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jerry Poniatowski

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77117 From: Don Abrams Date: 12/23/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      P.S. I didn't read the instructions.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Don
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77118 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Merry Christmas and Watch the Skies

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Merry Christmas everyone!   And this will be a very special Christmas Eve in the skies:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. This will be only the fourth Christmas Eve since 1904 that there will actually be a full Moon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. An asteroid will be passing close enough to the Earth to be seen by the naked eye.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      3. NORAD will be tracking Santa Claus again this year, a nice change from what these folks are normally looking for.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah to y'all!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Stumpy Stone in Ahia

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77119 From: Dr Trains Date: 12/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Custom Wheels
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi Bob,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have several suggestions,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. eBay and other mosel RR sources have spoked wheels of varios diameters, wether they are 10 mspoke or not, or exactly 23/32" dia. i do not know, however both european HO, Om and O standard gauge offer a variety of spoked wheels with no counterweights for locos, pass and freight cars, you may have to drill out one side of center hub and put in a insulated bushing to fit between axle and wheel....as some of whats available is for three rail operation.....I have used Maerklin spoked passenger wheels for S pilot trucks, the wheel tread and flange depth is about right for S scale standards, I made a new axle to fit...looks great!!!  BTW Om fine scale standards are about right for S scale.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. contact Steve Blackburn SnS trains...( boss31@... / web site: snstrains.com)... in Boise ID....his former partner , who lives in Washington state now (I do not know how to contact him directly) does custom CNC machining of high quality S scale spoked drivers...it may be a relatively minimal computer programming task to adjust diameter and number of spokes...you will have to work that out with him!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      let us know how you fare,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Peter Loeb

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      PS if you would like to enjoy some Holiday season related train anecdotes check out my web site pages about my first trains and first S gauge set....trains-4-u.com




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: "danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 2:43 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Custom Wheels

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I am in need of 16 custom wheels for two electric locomotives I plan on building. They need to be 46 scale inches in diameter or 23/32 actual inch or in metric about 18.25mm. They should be 10 spoke and if on axles one side needs to be insulated. The axles should be 3.32 in diameter and the wheels gauged for S scale standard gauge. I have asked Fred Rouse of S Scale Loco & Supply but he said no can do.Jim king of Smoky Mountain Model Works said the same but also suggested England. I did email a couple places but after my initial email I have received no replies. Does anyone have any other suggestions?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Kalispedll,MT



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77120 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Two of the cars lights started to flicker and then went out.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I re soldered all the wires to the wipers right away, and did have to
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      replace them on a couple of the cars, The wire from the factory was very
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      stiff, replaced with some superflex. Had a similar situation on the
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      engine to the pilot truck, wire was to short and to stiff. I also added
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      pick-up wiper from the insulated wheels on trailing truck for better
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      power pick-up from the track.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ray
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77121 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My order was from Charles Ro and the order was made the day when these
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      were first announced. Not as long a wait as the P.E. I was notified late
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wednesday By FedEx the arrival was delayed one day so I should have it
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      today. Jerry, sorry to hear of your bad fortune with your Berk, I hope
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      that is an aberration and not the rule.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ray
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77122 From: Scubadoo22 Date: 12/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Are the Berkshires going to be available through any dealers after this initial delivery?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Doug K
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77123 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 12/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yeah...original Prewar and Postwar Flyer does not have those problems.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77124 From: William Gill Date: 12/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      According to the Charles Ro web site, what is left is in stock. So I assume they ordered for store inventory. Other dealers may be similar but you are a the mercy of what they ordered and what is left. A direct phone call would likely be wise to verify and order. Good luck!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77125 From: traindavid Date: 12/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Details, details
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Just thought I'd post "over here" that over on the S-Scale list they are
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      discussing air brake & MU hoses that have little magnets on their ends, so
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      when you couple the cars together, the hoses also connect! Now while I
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      admire that attention to detail and even think it's kinda cool, I do begin
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      to wonder just where this all stops???!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So, now you can see why there is sometimes a large chasm between
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      HiRailers/AF operators and the Scale group!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      A Merry Christmas to ALL!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh, and still awaiting details on the Berks; applied handrails or molded
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      on--is the body the same one as on the PE loco? More details! :) (just
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      trying to figure out why for a few dollars less than the price of a Berk,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      you can buy the entire PE train set.)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh, and just in case you don't celebrate Christmas, Happy Holidays! (even if
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      it's Festivus!)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77126 From: snstrains Date: 12/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Custom Wheels
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bob,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Here is what my ex-partner said about your wheel needs:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I can most likely do that if I have a ruff sketch of what he wants. Also in that small an od the spoke width gets really hard to maintain. I have made 6 spoke that size, but don't know about 10. But am willing to try. It won't cost him anything to see.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      SnS Trains....Boise
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      In a message dated 12/24/2015 7:15:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi Bob,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have several suggestions,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. eBay and other mosel RR sources have spoked wheels of varios diameters, wether they are 10 mspoke or not, or exactly 23/32" dia. i do not know, however both european HO, Om and O standard gauge offer a variety of spoked wheels with no counterweights for locos, pass and freight cars, you may have to drill out one side of center hub and put in a insulated bushing to fit between axle and wheel....as some of whats available is for three rail operation.....I have used Maerklin spoked passenger wheels for S pilot trucks, the wheel tread and flange depth is about right for S scale standards , I made a new axle to fit...looks great!!!  BTW Om fine scale standards are about right for S scale.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. contact Steve Blackburn SnS trains...( boss31@... / web site: snstrains.com)... in Boise ID....his former partner , who lives in Washington state now (I do not know how to contact him directly) does custom CNC machining of high quality S scale spoked drivers...it may be a relatively minimal computer programming task to adjust diameter and number of spokes...you will have to work that out with him!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      let us know how you fare,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Peter Loeb

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      [Unable to display image]PS if you would like to enjoy some Holiday season related train anecdotes check out my web site pages about my first trains and first S gauge set....trains-4-u.com




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: "danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 2:43 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Custom Wheels

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I am in need of 16 custom wheels for two electric locomotives I plan on building. They need to be 46 scale inches in diameter or 23/32 actual inch or in metric about 18.25mm. They should be 10 spoke and if on axles one side needs to be insulated. The axles should be 3.32 in diameter and the wheels gauged for S scale standard gauge. I have asked Fred Rouse of S Scale Loco & Supply but he said no can do.Jim king of Smoky Mountain Model Works said the same but also suggested England. I did email a couple places but after my initial email I have received no replies. Does anyone have any other suggestions?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              &nbs p;                                                 Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Kalispedll,MT



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77127 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Custom Wheels
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Peter,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Thank you. That is a lot more info than i had a few days ago. MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Kalispell,MT
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 10:07:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Custom Wheels

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi Bob,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have several suggestions,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. eBay and other mosel RR sources have spoked wheels of varios diameters, wether they are 10 mspoke or not, or exactly 23/32" dia. i do not know, however both european HO, Om and O standard gauge offer a variety of spoked wheels with no counterweights for locos, pass and freight cars, you may have to drill out one side of center hub and put in a insulated bushing to fit between axle and wheel....as some of whats available is for three rail operation.....I have used Maerklin spoked passenger wheels for S pilot trucks, the wheel tread and flange depth is about right for S scale standards, I made a new axle to fit...looks great!!!  BTW Om fine scale standards are about right for S scale.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. contact Steve Blackburn SnS trains...( boss31@... / web site: snstrains.com)... in Boise ID....his former partner , who lives in Washington state now (I do not know how to contact him directly) does custom CNC machining of high quality S scale spoked drivers...it may be a relatively minimal computer programming task to adjust diameter and number of spokes...you will have to work that out with him!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      let us know how you fare,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Peter Loeb

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      PS if you would like to enjoy some Holiday season related train anecdotes check out my web site pages about my first trains and first S gauge set....trains-4-u.com




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: "danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 2:43 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Custom Wheels

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I am in need of 16 custom wheels for two electric locomotives I plan on building. They need to be 46 scale inches in diameter or 23/32 actual inch or in metric about 18.25mm. They should be 10 spoke and if on axles one side needs to be insulated. The axles should be 3.32 in diameter and the wheels gauged for S scale standard gauge. I have asked Fred Rouse of S Scale Loco & Supply but he said no can do.Jim king of Smoky Mountain Model Works said the same but also suggested England. I did email a couple places but after my initial email I have received no replies. Does anyone have any other suggestions?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Kalispedll,MT




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77128 From: carl4flyer Date: 12/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Details, details
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It is just like the PE Berk but has a smaller Cow Catcher.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It has lots to be cusomized if you are into it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Or it makes a nice addition to the AC Gilbert roster as is. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I will post pics and my plans for it on my web site soon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      MERRY CHRISTMAS!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Carl


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 2:16 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Details, details

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Just thought I'd post "over here" that over on the S-Scale list they are
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      discussing air brake & MU hoses that have little magnets on their ends, so
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      when you couple the cars together, the hoses also connect! Now while I
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      admire that attention to detail and even think it's kinda cool, I do begin
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      to wonder just where this all stops???!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So, now you can see why there is sometimes a large chasm between
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      HiRailers/AF operators and the Scale group!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      A Merry Christmas to ALL!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh, and still awaiting details on the Berks; applied handrails or molded
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      on--is the body the same one as on the PE loco? More details! :) (just
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      trying to figure out why for a few dollars less than the price of a Berk,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      you can buy the entire PE train set.)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh, and just in case you don't celebrate Christmas, Happy Holidays! (even if
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      it's Festivus!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77129 From: racin510 Date: 12/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Details, details
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Actually the PE set is from $70. - $90. more than an individual Berkshire, but still a real deal for those nice coaches ..... IF you are into the whole PE thing.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Looking forward to Carl's modifications!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77130 From: SnSTrains@... Date: 12/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Christmas
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Merry Christmas to all
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      S-'n-S Trains
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Boise, Idaho 83704
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Phone 208-376-1159
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      www.snstrains.com

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 77131 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Subject: Re: Custom Wheels
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Steve,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            This is the only drawing that I have. Sorry for the bad quality. Actual photos do not show the spokes very well but I do have some. If you consider 360 degrees in a circle then each spoke would be 36 degrees from it's neighbor. I would say a maximum width of 2 inches toward the center of each spoke.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Bob
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 15:53:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Custom Wheels

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bob,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Here is what my ex-partner said about your wheel needs:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I can most likely do that if I have a ruff sketch of what he wants. Also in that small an od the spoke width gets really hard to maintain. I have made 6 spoke that size, but don't know about 10. But am willing to try. It won't cost him anything to see.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        SnS Trains....Boise
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        In a message dated 12/24/2015 7:15:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hi Bob,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have several suggestions,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. eBay and other mosel RR sources have spoked wheels of varios diameters, wether they are 10 mspoke or not, or exactly 23/32" dia. i do not know, however both european HO, Om and O standard gauge offer a variety of spoked wheels with no counterweights for locos, pass and freight cars, you may have to drill out one side of center hub and put in a insulated bushing to fit between axle and wheel....as some of whats available is for three rail operation.....I have used Maerklin spoked passenger wheels for S pilot trucks, the wheel tread and flange depth is about right for S scale standards , I made a new axle to fit...looks great!!!  BTW Om fine scale standards are about right for S scale.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. contact Steve Blackburn SnS trains...( boss31@... / web site: snstrains.com)... in Boise ID....his former partner , who lives in Washington state now (I do not know how to contact him directly) does custom CNC machining of high quality S scale spoked drivers...it may be a relatively minimal computer programming task to adjust diameter and number of spokes...you will have to work that out with him!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        let us know how you fare,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Peter Loeb

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        [Unable to display image]PS if you would like to enjoy some Holiday season related train anecdotes check out my web site pages about my first trains and first S gauge set....trains-4-u.com




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        From: "danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 2:43 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] Custom Wheels

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I am in need of 16 custom wheels for two electric locomotives I plan on building. They need to be 46 scale inches in diameter or 23/32 actual inch or in metric about 18.25mm. They should be 10 spoke and if on axles one side needs to be insulated. The axles should be 3.32 in diameter and the wheels gauged for S scale standard gauge. I have asked Fred Rouse of S Scale Loco & Supply but he said no can do.Jim king of Smoky Mountain Model Works said the same but also suggested England. I did email a couple places but after my initial email I have received no replies. Does anyone have any other suggestions?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                &nbs p;                                                 Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Kalispedll,MT





                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 77132 From: William Lewis Date: 12/24/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Christmas
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Merry christmas to you to.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® III


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        -------- Original message --------
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        From: "SnSTrains@... [S-Trains]"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Date:12/24/2015 3:41 PM (GMT-06:00)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Merry Christmas to all
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        S-'n-S Trains
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Boise, Idaho 83704
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Phone 208-376-1159
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        www.snstrains.com

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 77133 From: hunbet Date: 12/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Details, details

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Merry Christmas David !

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Remember when we were a group of about 16 .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 77134 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Link to Electro 10 spoke wheels
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I drew these up on the cad system tonight and was wondering if they were close to what you were looking for


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 77135 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Christmas
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Let me join in and wish you all a Merry Christmas or whatever holiday you celebrate at this time of year.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And to all a good night (playing with their trains)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Carey Probst
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        PennsyltuckyRR

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        On 12/24/2015 8:01 PM, William Lewis lenscap76@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Merry christmas to you to.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® III


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        -------- Original message --------
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Date:12/24/2015 3:41 PM (GMT-06:00)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Merry Christmas to all
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Steve Blackburn
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        S-'n-S Trains
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Boise, Idaho 83704
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Phone 208-376-1159
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        www.snstrains.com


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 77136 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Link to Electro 10 spoke wheels
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Here is a drawing that might be a good start help you and S&S (or whomever) discuss what you want.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        MK

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        _____________________________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        From: Mark Kiner robbe_wan@... [S-Trains] <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent: Friday, December 25, 2015 7:47 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] Link to Electro 10 spoke wheels
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I drew these up on the cad system tonight and was wondering if they were close to what you were looking for




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 77137 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Clean wheel drawing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Got to thinking that a clean drawing that you could pencil in you own dimensions would be more valuable for getting your wheel made...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Anyway a clean drawing is at the link below:




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        MK 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 77138 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 12/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Custom Wheels

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have wondered about 3D printing as a source of custom wheels.  While the material the printer prints in is probably not stout enough to be the actual wheel, it could be used for a master to make a mold.  Then you could cast in a material like Bondo or perhaps Alumilite that would hold up to normal operation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Peter, how did you ferret out the Marklin wheels?  I couldn’t get to replacement parts on their website.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Happy Christmas to all,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Tom Stoltz

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        in Maine… waiting for the rest of them to get up.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Custom Wheels

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:15 am (PST). Posted by:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "Dr Trains" dtrains@...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hi Bob,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have several suggestions, 1. EBay and other model RR sources have spoked wheels of various diameters, whether they are 10 spoke or not, or exactly 23/32" dia. I do not know, however both European HO, Om and O standard gauge offer a variety of spoked wheels with no counterweights for locos, pass and freight cars, you may have to drill out one side of center hub and put in an insulated bushing to fit between axle and wheel....as some of what’s available is for three rail operation.....I have used Marklin spoked passenger wheels for S pilot trucks, the wheel tread and flange depth is about right for S scale standards, I made a new axle to fit...looks great!!!  BTW Om fine scale standards are about right for S scale.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Contact Steve Blackburn SnS trains... (boss31@... / web site: snstrains.com)... in Boise ID....his former partner, who lives in Washington state now (I do not know how to contact him directly) does custom CNC machining of high quality S scale spoked drivers...it may be a relatively minimal computer programming task to adjust diameter and number of spokes...you will have to work that out with him!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Let us know how you fare,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Peter Loeb

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 77139 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 12/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Holiday

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Merry Christmas everyone. Hope you have a wonderful and blessed Christmas. Chris Burger

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 77140 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Clean wheel drawing
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Mark,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thank you. You have convinced me.....I am getting a CAD program ASAP.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Kalispell,MT


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:14:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] Clean wheel drawing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Got to thinking that a clean drawing that you could pencil in you own dimensions would be more valuable for getting your wheel made...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Anyway a clean drawing is at the link below:




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        MK 


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 77141 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 12/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: My holiday wish
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, and a wonderfully blessed new year to you all. I thank God for all the knowledge, wisdom, good cheer, and camaraderie that you all bring to the group. You have blessed me, my trains, and my website greatly. May God bless you through the new year and beyond.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bob Graves
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        TheGilbertGallery.org
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 77142 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Clean wheel drawing
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Fair warning a seat of the one I used is $7500 but there are some decent ones for cheap and in some cases free. All of them take a lot of work/training to become proficient. We use this system where I work. And create a lot of 3-D printed prototypes with the system.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        On Dec 25, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Robert Lampe danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Mark,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thank you. You have convinced me.....I am getting a CAD program ASAP.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Kalispell,MT


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:14:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] Clean wheel drawing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Got to thinking that a clean drawing that you could pencil in you own dimensions would be more valuable for getting your wheel made...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Anyway a clean drawing is at the link below:




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        MK 


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 77143 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Clean wheel drawing
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        wow will bear that in mind thanks.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 14:03:50 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Clean wheel drawing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Fair warning a seat of the one I used is $7500 but there are some decent ones for cheap and in some cases free. All of them take a lot of work/training to become proficient. We use this system where I work. And create a lot of 3-D printed prototypes with the system.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        On Dec 25, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Robert Lampe danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Mark,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thank you. You have convinced me.....I am getting a CAD program ASAP.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Kalispell,MT


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:14:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: [S-Trains] Clean wheel drawing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Got to thinking that a clean drawing that you could pencil in you own dimensions would be more valuable for getting your wheel made...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Anyway a clean drawing is at the link below:




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        MK 




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 77144 From: carl4flyer Date: 12/25/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Clean wheel drawing
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Here is a link that may help deciding on your 3D software.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have FreeCad
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Carl


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sent: Friday, December 25, 2015 5:25 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Clean wheel drawing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        wow will bear that in mind thanks.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 14:03:50 -0600
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Clean wheel drawing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Fair warning a seat of the one I used is $7500 but there are some decent ones for cheap and in some cases free. All of them take a lot of work/training to become proficient. We use this system where I work. And create a lot of 3-D printed prototypes with the system.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        On Dec 25, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Robert Lampe danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 77145 From: traindavid Date: 12/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: Re: Details, details
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        OH NO!! I can't be that old, can I? :)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hard to believe how long ago that was. I think we are one of the oldest
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        still active Yahoo groups around, and we predate Yahoo! We were around when
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Dial-up was the only connections & now I'm probably the only one still stuck
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        on dial-up. Rural living has its benefits, but high-speed communications is
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        not one of them!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Didn't somebody do a history of our group? This might be a good time to
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        revisit it!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        and now I can wish you all Happy New Year!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh, And may I be the first to wish you a Happy Easter!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        There, got that done, now to do the Christmas cards!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        :)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posted by: 68cuda440@... hunbet
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Date: Fri Dec 25, 2015 5:47 am ((PST))


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Merry Christmas David !




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Remember when we were a group of about 16 .
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 77146 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/26/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 27 December 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          When
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Sunday, 27 December 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Where
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          From
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          S-Trains   Calendar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77147 From: Bill Lane Date: 12/27/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: SHS Reading hopper set for sale or trade

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I found I have a duplicate Reading ribbed side hopper set. Assuming there was a set “B” made (Was there Don?) that would be my first choice for a trade. This set is obviously new in the box. I would consider a gently used set, no broken parts or paint issues hopefully with scale wheels included.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2nd choice would be unpainted American Models offset hoppers in good condition.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          3rd choice would be American Models offset hoppers in good condition still as kits, paint scheme not important.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          4th choice would be make me an offer to buy this set or whatever your suggestion is.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thank You,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bill Lane

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL  & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          See my finished models at:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.lanestrains.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The other members are not ALL like me!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.prrths.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.prslhs.com

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            @@attachment@@
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77148 From: Anthony Cynor Date: 12/27/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: Re: Details, details
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You are not alone I still maintain a dial-up account for emergency
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          backup. It is very reliable these days, Just in case my ultra super
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          fast conks out I can still take care of business. And sometimes it is
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          helpful to have an alternate ISP!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Tony Cynor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Group: S-Trains Message: 77149 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/27/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Sunday, 27 December 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Attachments :
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            When
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sunday, 27 December 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            05:00 PM to 11:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Where
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Notes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ **
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            From
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            S-Trains   Calendar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77150 From: Bill Lane Date: 12/27/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Woody's Lumber
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Attachments :

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Attached is my recently received Woody’s Lumber yard from http://www.eastwestrailservice.com  It is very nice. Final placement on my layout remains to be seen. Since I have NO small sidings on my layout yet this could be the first.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If your haul from Santa this year left you a bit short in new train goodies, operators are standing by to take your order for this new kit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thank You,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bill Lane

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL  & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            See my finished models at:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.lanestrains.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ***Join the PRR T&HS***
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The other members are not ALL like me!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.prrths.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.prslhs.com

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              @@attachment@@
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77151 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 12/27/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi Don.   I also have the new Lionel American Flyer C&O Berkshire.  However, my tender light does not work in the regular forward running mode.  Do you have the same situation?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            However, I’m very satisfied with the new steamer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bob

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:07 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Berkshires shipping

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jerry,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ran my C&O Berk at the hobby shop before heading home. Ran perfectly right out of the box using a Z4000 @ 18VAC and the supplied remote. Didn't lube it yet. I was thrilled with the appearance and operation. All functions worked as advertised. Big sound and big (2-chuff) smoke. I'm loving it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Don

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sent from Don's iPad ! ! !

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77152 From: rick gough Date: 12/27/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Great to hear you guys are so happy . My Southern took 13 hours to cross Wyoming on Saturday ..... chugging toward Seattle. I feel for those Fed Ex drivers! Been there done that!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            rick gough
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            mudshark datsun 510 racing


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            On Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:17 AM, "'Bob Iannacone' biannaco@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi Don.   I also have the new Lionel American Flyer C&O Berkshire.  However, my tender light does not work in the regular forward running mode.  Do you have the same situation?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            However, I’m very satisfied with the new steamer.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bob
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:07 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jerry,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ran my C&O Berk at the hobby shop before heading home. Ran perfectly right out of the box using a Z4000 @ 18VAC and the supplied remote. Didn't lube it yet. I was thrilled with the appearance and operation. All functions worked as advertised. Big sound and big (2-chuff) smoke. I'm loving it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Don

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sent from Don's iPad ! ! !
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            www.avast.com


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77153 From: srgriggs Date: 12/27/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I received the Southern 2716 and NKP 765 Berks and am very happy with them.  They will creep along without stalling on the first speed setting.  Mechanically they run as smooth as silk, with no binding or loping whatsover.  The chuff sounds really good for an electronic system and the smoke units work great.  The casting and decoration quality are first rate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The box lists a flickering firebox effect, but I haven't noticed this on my engines.  Has anybody seen a firebox light on their engine?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77154 From: Don Abrams Date: 12/28/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jerry,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The tender backup light does not illuminate.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Don
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77155 From: stevew970 Date: 12/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: new product


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Pre-Size Model Specialties announces a new tunnel portal for double track.  This is our second double portal and is wider (7-1/8" opening) to allow for curved tracks. See photo. It is in the "broken face granite block" series along with single portals, bridge piers, abutments and retaining walls.  Check out their line of S scale cast resin scenery products on their website at www.pre-size.com.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Steve Wolcott


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77156 From: traindavid Date: 12/29/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: re; Berkshires shipping
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hmm, call me cheap, but for $300+, I would think it should. I understand the
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            PE one not working, after all the entire set is (street price) around $300,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            and it's really designed to go 'round & 'round under the tree! For a
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            locomotive the same price, or nearly so as the one in a complete set, I
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            would expect a few extra features.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            BTW, was looking at the Flyonel description of the set and it mentions
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            different frequencys so two locomotives could run on the same track with
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            independent control Perhaps that was a feature that was dropped by
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            manufacturing, and publicity wasn't told?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            David D.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            "Jerry,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The tender backup light does not illuminate.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Don"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77157 From: racin510 Date: 12/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Berkshire Shipping Date
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Finally my Southern Berkshire made the nasty cross country journey to Seattle! I've opened it and think it looks fantastic. It feels like almost a throw back to the early days of Flyer. One little chip in the white running board stripe, shouldn't be there but I will touch up before putting my own chips in. I wonder if everyone is receiving there with no manual included ..... hard to believe they would sell a $300. piece with lots of electronics and not include instructions. This is probably why some don't know the back up light is not functional [until Carl figures out how to make it so!]. Lionel tech didn't work long enough today for me to reach them for explanation, but I will be talking to them. Until then, Butch at Charles Ro directed me to the Lionel web site and how to access the manual and he said there should be a manual with the engine, but that he has as difficult a time getting information out of Lionel as do any of us! He does say that he is sold out and is having difficulty finding more stock. I will "fire" mine tonight.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77158 From: keyhole_corona Date: 12/30/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Berkshire Shipping Date
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I just went to my local hobby store and pick up my C&O and my Nickle Plate Road Berkshires.  They are gorgeous!  I actually read the instructions first, cover to cover. The instruction booklet states in numerous locations that the back up light does not actually work when the locomotive is in reverse, and that is fine. But I have read many post from purchasers stating that the light didn't work assuming it did.  It pays to read the instructions!!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77159 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 12/31/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Berkshire Shipping Date
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Good point on reading the manual first. As I grew up, my dad would get me something and his first comment was always, "read the manual before you start using ". Always good advice. Chris Burger




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            From: "keyhole_corona@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 10:01 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Berkshire Shipping Date

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I just went to my local hobby store and pick up my C&O and my Nickle Plate Road Berkshires.  They are gorgeous!  I actually read the instructions first, cover to cover. The instruction booklet states in numerous locations that the back up light does not actually work when the locomotive is in reverse, and that is fine. But I have read many post from purchasers stating that the light didn't work assuming it did.  It pays to read the instructions!!!!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77160 From: Jim Schiele Date: 12/31/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Berkshire

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Just unpacked my C&O Berkshire.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Put it on the track. No light. Nothing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Guess I’ll be calling Lionel on Monday.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jim Schiele

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77161 From: Alan Lambert Date: 12/31/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: Berkshire
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            From: Alan Lambert
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     fort Worth, Texas

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jim,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             If you are talking about the tender backup light, It is not wired to work.  Go back and re-read the instruction manual. You may have missed something. Check all the switches to make sure they are turned on of off. Smoke switch also.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               alan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             





                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            From: "'Jim Schiele' jschiele1@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:09 PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: [S-Trains] Berkshire

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Just unpacked my C&O Berkshire.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Put it on the track. No light. Nothing.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Guess I’ll be calling Lionel on Monday.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jim Schiele


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Group: S-Trains Message: 77162 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 12/31/2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Subject: Re: General Product Question
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I contacted Lionel to find out why the tender light was not wired to operate.  Below is the cost saving result.  I would have opted for the working light.  Hope this answers all new Berkshire owners.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bob

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Subject: RE: General Product Question

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bob,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              We could only add one function in the tender so we went with the electro coupler instead of a backup light.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thank you,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Angela S

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Question:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Why doesn't the tender light on the new FlyerChief Berkshire C&O not light up when you run the train on remote or transformer?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thanks in advance for your response.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bob

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Group: S-Trains Message: 77163 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 12/31/2015
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