Messages in S-Trains group. Page 1 of 1.

Group: S-Trains Message: 67476 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: Recently on Public Radio
Group: S-Trains Message: 67477 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Be there tonight!
Group: S-Trains Message: 67478 From: johntech Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: Model Railroader 3 DVD set
Group: S-Trains Message: 67479 From: sgaugian Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: u33's ,challengers,& more
Group: S-Trains Message: 67480 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: Seaboard Baldwin's
Group: S-Trains Message: 67481 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: The Crash Test
Group: S-Trains Message: 67482 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: The Crash Test
Group: S-Trains Message: 67483 From: rj4010d Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: u33's ,challengers,& more
Group: S-Trains Message: 67484 From: acgilbertguy Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: Be there tonight!
Group: S-Trains Message: 67485 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/1/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 67486 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Tiger In Your Tank
Group: S-Trains Message: 67487 From: Paul Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: paint removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 67488 From: johntech Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: paint removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 67489 From: Brady Burdge Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Minicraft Type House
Group: S-Trains Message: 67490 From: Paul Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: kit bashing and molding
Group: S-Trains Message: 67491 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Tiger in your tank
Group: S-Trains Message: 67492 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Stumpy's Staion on My Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 67493 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: Seaboard Baldwin's
Group: S-Trains Message: 67494 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Kit bashing and molding
Group: S-Trains Message: 67495 From: Paul Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: paint removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 67496 From: Timboy Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: kit bashing and molding
Group: S-Trains Message: 67497 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Progress at Hospital Corner
Group: S-Trains Message: 67498 From: johntech Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Staion on My Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 67499 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: paint removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 67500 From: sgaugian Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: u33's ,challengers,& more
Group: S-Trains Message: 67501 From: Ray Cook Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: paint removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 67502 From: Paul Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: kitbashing, casting, & paint removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 67503 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: What am I missing? Now Complete Railroad System
Group: S-Trains Message: 67504 From: Dale Smith Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: What am I missing? Now Complete Railroad System
Group: S-Trains Message: 67505 From: Roy Meissner Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: resin casating
Group: S-Trains Message: 67506 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: The Crash Test
Group: S-Trains Message: 67507 From: Paul Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: The Crash Test
Group: S-Trains Message: 67508 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Progress at Hospital Corner
Group: S-Trains Message: 67509 From: Timboy Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Progress at Hospital Corner
Group: S-Trains Message: 67510 From: Dave Winslow Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: The Crash Test
Group: S-Trains Message: 67511 From: Scott Freeman Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Minicraft Type House
Group: S-Trains Message: 67512 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: The Crash Test
Group: S-Trains Message: 67513 From: Timboy Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Staion on My Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 67514 From: Brady Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Progress at Hospital Corner
Group: S-Trains Message: 67515 From: Brady Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Staion on My Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 67516 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: CIRCUS TRUCK PYRO? OR ALLIED?
Group: S-Trains Message: 67517 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: resin casating
Group: S-Trains Message: 67518 From: jeff silvera Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Off Subject--Girder & Panel Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 67519 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Posibility of new cars.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67520 From: Ben Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Wobbly steamers...
Group: S-Trains Message: 67521 From: John Degnan Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: NEW S Scale "SEMI-KIT" available soon!
Group: S-Trains Message: 67522 From: John F. Rodgers Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: paint removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 67523 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Progress at Hospital Corner
Group: S-Trains Message: 67524 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Progress at Hospital Corner
Group: S-Trains Message: 67525 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Off Subject--Girder & Panel Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 67526 From: rick gough Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: K325 lacks pulling power
Group: S-Trains Message: 67527 From: tbennerohio Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
Group: S-Trains Message: 67528 From: jim_marski Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: American Flyer Items FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains Message: 67529 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
Group: S-Trains Message: 67530 From: Pat Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: American Models Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 67531 From: Jimbo Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: parts needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 67532 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: parts needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 67533 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
Group: S-Trains Message: 67534 From: rdavis7813@sbcglobal.net Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Problem with Tmcc base and two separate tracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 67535 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: American Models Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 67536 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
Group: S-Trains Message: 67537 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: American Models Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 67538 From: Jimbo Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 67539 From: johntech Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Model Railroad Craftsman April 2010
Group: S-Trains Message: 67540 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Problem with Tmcc base and two separate tracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 67541 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Fwd: Failure Notice
Group: S-Trains Message: 67542 From: Ben Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
Group: S-Trains Message: 67543 From: David Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: DROVERS CABOOSE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67544 From: rick gough Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
Group: S-Trains Message: 67545 From: wb4hay Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Legacy Controllers
Group: S-Trains Message: 67546 From: Timboy Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Bucky's Beer
Group: S-Trains Message: 67547 From: R G Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
Group: S-Trains Message: 67548 From: Thorinn Marty Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Need highrail half axles with metal wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 67549 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
Group: S-Trains Message: 67550 From: semaphorsignal Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Signal Wiring for Crossover Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 67551 From: flyerguy63 Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: steamer converted to DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 67552 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
Group: S-Trains Message: 67553 From: Lou Templeton Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Lionel Repair Shop
Group: S-Trains Message: 67554 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Weekends in PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 67555 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
Group: S-Trains Message: 67556 From: Bruce Papky Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: New photos posted on 'My Flyer Trains' site
Group: S-Trains Message: 67557 From: rdavis7813@sbcglobal.net Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Problem with Tmcc base and two separate tracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 67558 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Bucky's Beer
Group: S-Trains Message: 67559 From: Frank Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Repair Shop
Group: S-Trains Message: 67560 From: jtkeating Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Wanted: 21085 Boiler & 2 pin C&NW Tender Shell
Group: S-Trains Message: 67561 From: texas0717 Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Repair Shop
Group: S-Trains Message: 67562 From: Frank Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Repair Shop
Group: S-Trains Message: 67563 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Repair Shop
Group: S-Trains Message: 67564 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Re: steamer converted to DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 67565 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Repair Shop
Group: S-Trains Message: 67566 From: flyerguy63 Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Re: steamer converted to DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 67567 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: More Rolling Stock for sale, SHS, AM, PRS, AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 67568 From: LB Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Looking for Magnetic Cover # PA10549
Group: S-Trains Message: 67569 From: John Degnan Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Fw: Flat Car "Semi-Kit"... UPDATE
Group: S-Trains Message: 67570 From: John Degnan Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Re: Flat Car "Semi-Kit"... UPDATE - DECALS
Group: S-Trains Message: 67571 From: doerryn Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Re: steamer converted to DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 67572 From: Linda Cernjul Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: DCC Installations
Group: S-Trains Message: 67573 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: U33C arrived
Group: S-Trains Message: 67574 From: Timboy Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: steamer converted to DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 67575 From: Brady Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: New photos posted on 'My Flyer Trains' site
Group: S-Trains Message: 67576 From: Scott Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Existence of K-Line Product
Group: S-Trains Message: 67577 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: steamer converted to DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 67578 From: Scott Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: K-Line Locomotive Existence
Group: S-Trains Message: 67579 From: R G Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: Existence of K-Line Product
Group: S-Trains Message: 67580 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: Looking for Magnetic Cover # PA10549
Group: S-Trains Message: 67581 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: Existence of K-Line Product
Group: S-Trains Message: 67582 From: sgaugian Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: New photos posted on 'My Flyer Trains' site
Group: S-Trains Message: 67583 From: Timboy Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: Bucky's Beer
Group: S-Trains Message: 67584 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: U33C arrived
Group: S-Trains Message: 67585 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: CP Spiral Tunnel
Group: S-Trains Message: 67586 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Woodland Scenics Fire
Group: S-Trains Message: 67587 From: ken garber Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: CP Spiral Tunnels
Group: S-Trains Message: 67588 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: CP Spiral Tunnel
Group: S-Trains Message: 67589 From: John McAlonan Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: CP Spiral Tunnel
Group: S-Trains Message: 67590 From: John McAlonan Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: steamer converted to DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 67591 From: Jerry Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: U33C arrived
Group: S-Trains Message: 67592 From: Brady Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Woodland Scenics Fire
Group: S-Trains Message: 67593 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: Woodland Scenics fire
Group: S-Trains Message: 67594 From: Brady Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: U33C arrived
Group: S-Trains Message: 67595 From: Bruce Papky Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: New photos posted on 'My Flyer Trains' site
Group: S-Trains Message: 67596 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: Woodland Scenic fire
Group: S-Trains Message: 67597 From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: Woodland Scenics fire
Group: S-Trains Message: 67598 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: U33C arrived
Group: S-Trains Message: 67599 From: sgaugian Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: New photos posted on 'My Flyer Trains' site
Group: S-Trains Message: 67600 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} Woodland Scenic's
Group: S-Trains Message: 67601 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: U33C arrived
Group: S-Trains Message: 67602 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: Woodland Scenics fire
Group: S-Trains Message: 67603 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: New Email
Group: S-Trains Message: 67604 From: Brady Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: New Email
Group: S-Trains Message: 67605 From: Brady Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: TMCC & Legacy (was: U33C arrived)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67606 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: New Email
Group: S-Trains Message: 67607 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: New Email
Group: S-Trains Message: 67608 From: Herbert Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: New Email
Group: S-Trains Message: 67609 From: zemouse2001 Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: steamer converted to DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 67610 From: doerryn Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Morse Code Searchlight Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 67611 From: George Cohn Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: New Email
Group: S-Trains Message: 67612 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: SP Daylight set for sale (NEW)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67613 From: George Cohn Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: Morse Code Searchlight Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 67614 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: Morse Code Searchlight Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 67615 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: Morse Code Searchlight Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 67616 From: doerryn Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: Morse Code Searchlight Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 67617 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: TM AF New Price Guide
Group: S-Trains Message: 67618 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: Morse Code Searchlight Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 67619 From: doerryn Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: Morse Code Searchlight Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 67620 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/8/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 67621 From: Jerry Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: U33C arrived
Group: S-Trains Message: 67622 From: megannsheckler Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Where do I look for $$ value on Train set
Group: S-Trains Message: 67623 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: Christmas in January
Group: S-Trains Message: 67624 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: Re: U33C arrived - Detailed report.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67625 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: Re: Morse Code Searchlight Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 67626 From: LB Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: My Walmart has Reduced M2 Auto Haulers
Group: S-Trains Message: 67627 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: Two new recruits
Group: S-Trains Message: 67628 From: David Highfield Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: The future generation
Group: S-Trains Message: 67629 From: Dave Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: AKRON, CANTON & YOUNGSTOWN Decals (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67630 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: The future generation
Group: S-Trains Message: 67631 From: zemouse2001 Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: Re: The future generation
Group: S-Trains Message: 67632 From: mikenguy9 Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: screws for Flyer track
Group: S-Trains Message: 67633 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: Re: The future generation
Group: S-Trains Message: 67634 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/8/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 67635 From: Larry Moore Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: Wiring Diagram
Group: S-Trains Message: 67636 From: robbe_wan@yahoo.com Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Diagram
Group: S-Trains Message: 67637 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Flyer #35 Brakeman set in box
Group: S-Trains Message: 67638 From: John Degnan Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Flat Car "Semi-Kit"... UPDATE TOO
Group: S-Trains Message: 67639 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Diagram
Group: S-Trains Message: 67640 From: srgriggs Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Striipping chrome from plastic AF shells
Group: S-Trains Message: 67641 From: Larry Moore Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Diagram
Group: S-Trains Message: 67642 From: Herbert Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: s fest 2012
Group: S-Trains Message: 67643 From: Scott Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: Striipping chrome from plastic AF shells
Group: S-Trains Message: 67644 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Silver billet
Group: S-Trains Message: 67645 From: ken garber Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Constant Directional Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 67646 From: ot7@att.net Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: screws for Flyer track
Group: S-Trains Message: 67648 From: rzuerlein2001 Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: s fest 2012
Group: S-Trains Message: 67649 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: screws for Flyer track
Group: S-Trains Message: 67650 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Railroad Terminology
Group: S-Trains Message: 67651 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: Railroad Terminology
Group: S-Trains Message: 67652 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: Railroad Terminology
Group: S-Trains Message: 67653 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Safe chrome removal thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 67654 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: Striipping chrome from plastic AF shells
Group: S-Trains Message: 67655 From: fmoshenri88 Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: DC Operation of Post War Steam & Diesel Engines as well as the LTI D
Group: S-Trains Message: 67656 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: DC Operation of Post War Steam & Diesel Engines as well as the L
Group: S-Trains Message: 67657 From: Roy Meissner Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 67658 From: Jerry Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: U33C arrived
Group: S-Trains Message: 67659 From: charlie and edith Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Pull Mor tire band replacement
Group: S-Trains Message: 67660 From: vito4cal Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Annoucement: S West 7 - Northern California - One Month Away
Group: S-Trains Message: 67661 From: Herbert Date: 1/10/2012
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 67662 From: Ron Inscho Date: 1/10/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Diagram
Group: S-Trains Message: 67663 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/10/2012
Subject: DC: Come to the Dark Side
Group: S-Trains Message: 67664 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/10/2012
Subject: Re: DC: Come to the Dark Side
Group: S-Trains Message: 67665 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/10/2012
Subject: Real Train stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 67666 From: R G Date: 1/10/2012
Subject: Re: DC: Come to the Dark Side
Group: S-Trains Message: 67667 From: Art Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: U33C quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 67668 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: DC: Come to the Dark Side
Group: S-Trains Message: 67669 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: DC: Come to the Dark Side
Group: S-Trains Message: 67670 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: U33C quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 67671 From: sgaugian Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: screws for Flyer track
Group: S-Trains Message: 67672 From: R G Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: U33C quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 67673 From: Brady Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Free Aircraft Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 67674 From: Anthony Cynor Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: U33C quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 67675 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: DC: Come to the Dark Side
Group: S-Trains Message: 67676 From: Jerry Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: U33C quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 67677 From: Rich Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: Morse Code Searchlight Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 67678 From: ekaplan707 Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: For Sale-Lionel Early 1980s B&O PA1/PB1/PA1 Freight Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 67679 From: R G Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: DC: Come to the Dark Side
Group: S-Trains Message: 67680 From: Bob Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: New Classic AF Available
Group: S-Trains Message: 67681 From: sgaugian Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Rochester Train Attractions
Group: S-Trains Message: 67682 From: R G Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale-Lionel Early 1980s B&O PA1/PB1/PA1 Freight Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 67683 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Road-specific detail -- Re: [S-Trains] U33C quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 67684 From: jenna10erin07 Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Light Bulb for American Flyer 630 Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 67685 From: Art Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: U33C quality control
Group: S-Trains Message: 67686 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulb for American Flyer 630 Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 67687 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulb for American Flyer 630 Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 67688 From: rick gough Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: Real Train stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 67689 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: Real Train stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 67690 From: R G Date: 1/12/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulb for American Flyer 630 Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 67691 From: Ben Date: 1/12/2012
Subject: american flyer PA12B311
Group: S-Trains Message: 67692 From: Jeff Faust Date: 1/12/2012
Subject: Re: Rochester Train Attractions
Group: S-Trains Message: 67693 From: charlie and edith Date: 1/12/2012
Subject: Flyer 336 Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 67694 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/12/2012
Subject: Re: american flyer PA12B311
Group: S-Trains Message: 67695 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer 336 Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 67696 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Lamp Check on Mikado 2-8-2
Group: S-Trains Message: 67697 From: Jimbo Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: 332 silver lettering 1947 dc voltage
Group: S-Trains Message: 67698 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: american flyer PA12B311
Group: S-Trains Message: 67699 From: Timboy Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Bucky's Beer is Operational
Group: S-Trains Message: 67700 From: Joseph H Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer 336 Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 67701 From: Joseph H Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: american flyer PA12B311
Group: S-Trains Message: 67702 From: rj4010d Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer 336 Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 67703 From: tbennerohio Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Changing a tire
Group: S-Trains Message: 67704 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Bucky's Beer is Operational
Group: S-Trains Message: 67705 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: S-Scale figures
Group: S-Trains Message: 67706 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Changing a tire
Group: S-Trains Message: 67707 From: R G Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Changing a tire
Group: S-Trains Message: 67708 From: R G Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: S-Scale figures
Group: S-Trains Message: 67709 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: american flyer PA12B311
Group: S-Trains Message: 67710 From: Timboy Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Bucky's Beer is Operational
Group: S-Trains Message: 67711 From: Lon Walker Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Bucky's Beer is Operational
Group: S-Trains Message: 67712 From: rhicks308 Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Directional Remote Control
Group: S-Trains Message: 67713 From: R G Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Bucky's Beer is Operational
Group: S-Trains Message: 67714 From: rick gough Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer 336 Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 67715 From: tbennerohio Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Changing a tire
Group: S-Trains Message: 67716 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Trains in Lancaster County
Group: S-Trains Message: 67717 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: New Layout Photos with Old AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 67718 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Layout Photos with Old AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 67719 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Layout Photos with Old AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 67720 From: Jimbo Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: stockyard
Group: S-Trains Message: 67721 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Train Show in Michigan, Sun 15 Jan
Group: S-Trains Message: 67722 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Bucky's Beer operational
Group: S-Trains Message: 67723 From: Lon Walker Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Layout Photos with Old AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 67724 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: Changing a tire
Group: S-Trains Message: 67725 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: S-Scale figures
Group: S-Trains Message: 67726 From: bedardleon Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: Adding sounds
Group: S-Trains Message: 67727 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: New Layout Photos with Old AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 67728 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: New Layout Photos with Old AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 67729 From: Herbert Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: stockyard
Group: S-Trains Message: 67730 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: New Layout Photos with Old AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 67731 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: stockyard
Group: S-Trains Message: 67732 From: sscale@bestweb.net Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: S-Scale figures
Group: S-Trains Message: 67733 From: sscale@bestweb.net Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: S-Scale figures
Group: S-Trains Message: 67734 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/15/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 67735 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Night Pictures Re Done
Group: S-Trains Message: 67736 From: wb4hay Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: tortois wire attach cuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 67737 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Night Pictures Re Done
Group: S-Trains Message: 67738 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Night Pictures Re Done
Group: S-Trains Message: 67739 From: Gregg Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: tortois wire attach cuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 67740 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/15/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 67741 From: Ben Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
Group: S-Trains Message: 67742 From: Dave Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: NEW Group To Find Pre-1966 AF "S" Parts & Equipment (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67743 From: Dave Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Quartering Your AF Steamer Drive Wheels (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67744 From: acgilbertguy Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: AF Northern Crosshead Assembly
Group: S-Trains Message: 67745 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: tortois wire attach cuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 67746 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Night Pictures Re Done
Group: S-Trains Message: 67747 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF Northern Crosshead Assembly
Group: S-Trains Message: 67748 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
Group: S-Trains Message: 67749 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Night Pictures Re Done
Group: S-Trains Message: 67750 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
Group: S-Trains Message: 67751 From: rzuerlein2001 Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
Group: S-Trains Message: 67752 From: Tom Lochhead Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
Group: S-Trains Message: 67753 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
Group: S-Trains Message: 67754 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
Group: S-Trains Message: 67755 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF Northern Crosshead Assembly
Group: S-Trains Message: 67756 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: More eBay AF Roadbed - Unreal Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 67757 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
Group: S-Trains Message: 67758 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: More eBay AF Roadbed - Unreal Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 67759 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: More eBay AF Roadbed - Unreal Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 67760 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Krispy Kreme Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 67761 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
Group: S-Trains Message: 67762 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: af 4-10-10-2 up engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 67763 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
Group: S-Trains Message: 67764 From: Ben Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
Group: S-Trains Message: 67765 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF roadbed - eBay runs amok
Group: S-Trains Message: 67766 From: wb4hay Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: #67736 apology
Group: S-Trains Message: 67767 From: americanflyer1953 Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
Group: S-Trains Message: 67768 From: Frank Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
Group: S-Trains Message: 67769 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
Group: S-Trains Message: 67770 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF roadbed - eBay runs amok
Group: S-Trains Message: 67771 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
Group: S-Trains Message: 67772 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF roadbed - eBay runs amok
Group: S-Trains Message: 67773 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
Group: S-Trains Message: 67774 From: Dale Reynolds Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
Group: S-Trains Message: 67775 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Ebay Roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 67776 From: George Cohn Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF roadbed - eBay runs amok
Group: S-Trains Message: 67777 From: George Cohn Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: More eBay AF Roadbed - Unreal Bids
Group: S-Trains Message: 67778 From: ALan Evans Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Krispy Kreme S Gauge History
Group: S-Trains Message: 67779 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme S Gauge History
Group: S-Trains Message: 67780 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme S Gauge History
Group: S-Trains Message: 67781 From: Joseph H Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
Group: S-Trains Message: 67782 From: mike boyd Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
Group: S-Trains Message: 67783 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: New Circus car photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 67784 From: Linda Cernjul Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme S Gauge History
Group: S-Trains Message: 67785 From: Louis Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
Group: S-Trains Message: 67786 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme S Gauge History
Group: S-Trains Message: 67787 From: piccu56 Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
Group: S-Trains Message: 67788 From: lumglum Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: Track Switch Controller
Group: S-Trains Message: 67789 From: jim_marski Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: Updated list of American Flyer Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 67790 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: CP
Group: S-Trains Message: 67791 From: Jens Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: FS OO (1/75) Scale Figures useable for S Scale everything has to go
Group: S-Trains Message: 67792 From: alsflyer Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: Wanted: AF 21004 tender shell
Group: S-Trains Message: 67793 From: dphobbies Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: U33 Scale Wheels and Other Lies
Group: S-Trains Message: 67794 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
Group: S-Trains Message: 67795 From: fnmichong Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Challenger Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 67796 From: R G Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: U33 Scale Wheels and Other Lies
Group: S-Trains Message: 67797 From: R G Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 67798 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
Group: S-Trains Message: 67799 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Track Switch Controller
Group: S-Trains Message: 67800 From: David Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: FREE DECALS (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67801 From: rj4010d Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 67802 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
Group: S-Trains Message: 67803 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
Group: S-Trains Message: 67804 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: EBay gone mad ...and why
Group: S-Trains Message: 67805 From: R G Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: EBay gone mad ...and why
Group: S-Trains Message: 67806 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Budd Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 67807 From: R G Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 67808 From: Frank Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: EBay gone mad ...and why
Group: S-Trains Message: 67809 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Latest SHS developments...
Group: S-Trains Message: 67810 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: EBay gone mad ...and why
Group: S-Trains Message: 67811 From: George Cohn Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: EBay gone mad ...and why
Group: S-Trains Message: 67812 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 67813 From: ALan Evans Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 67814 From: rick gough Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
Group: S-Trains Message: 67815 From: jhw749@frontiernet.net Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: AF toy trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 67816 From: Tom Detmer Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Latest SHS developments...
Group: S-Trains Message: 67817 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
Group: S-Trains Message: 67818 From: R G Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 67819 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
Group: S-Trains Message: 67820 From: Brady Burdge Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: New Layout Photos with Old AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 67821 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
Group: S-Trains Message: 67822 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
Group: S-Trains Message: 67823 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: New Layout Photos with Old AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 67824 From: Jimbo Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: another question
Group: S-Trains Message: 67825 From: jad01@bellsouth.net Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: wheel allignment
Group: S-Trains Message: 67826 From: David Highfield Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Krispy Kreme car
Group: S-Trains Message: 67827 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: K325 lacks pulling power
Group: S-Trains Message: 67828 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
Group: S-Trains Message: 67829 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: wheel allignment
Group: S-Trains Message: 67830 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: another question
Group: S-Trains Message: 67831 From: Thorin Marty Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: S Scale Electoliner
Group: S-Trains Message: 67832 From: jim_marski Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: For Sale- Early 1950's Non-Flyer S gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 67833 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 67834 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 67835 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: wheel allignment
Group: S-Trains Message: 67836 From: rgeorge942 Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: American Hirail
Group: S-Trains Message: 67837 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Neil Young
Group: S-Trains Message: 67838 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 67839 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: another question
Group: S-Trains Message: 67840 From: R G Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 67841 From: kempfam@aol.com Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Fwd: Can you pls post on the hi-rail Yahoo list?
Group: S-Trains Message: 67842 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 67843 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 67844 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 67845 From: Al Baker Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Group: S-Trains Message: 67846 From: piccu56 Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Group: S-Trains Message: 67847 From: David Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67848 From: R G Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67849 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Group: S-Trains Message: 67850 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67851 From: Al Baker Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Group: S-Trains Message: 67852 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: American Hirail
Group: S-Trains Message: 67853 From: Dave Winslow Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67854 From: EdSauers Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: B&O Caboose Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 67855 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67856 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67857 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Group: S-Trains Message: 67858 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67859 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67860 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67861 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67862 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67863 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67864 From: Dennis Back Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o) (Time Flies)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67865 From: megannsheckler Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Showcase line S scale Conrail 4 car set and 2 extra cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 67866 From: jshannon148 Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67867 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Group: S-Trains Message: 67868 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67869 From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67870 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67871 From: Mark Speichert Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67872 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67873 From: Rich Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67874 From: Donald Abrams Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: More ebay craziness
Group: S-Trains Message: 67875 From: Donald Abrams Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Missing link for previous post
Group: S-Trains Message: 67876 From: Lamont Heppe Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Group: S-Trains Message: 67877 From: Brady Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Free Aircraft Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 67878 From: Dave Winslow Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67879 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: More ebay craziness
Group: S-Trains Message: 67880 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Lucky Cat
Group: S-Trains Message: 67881 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Missing link for previous post
Group: S-Trains Message: 67882 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Group: S-Trains Message: 67883 From: doerryn Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67884 From: flyerguy63 Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: AF Track trip
Group: S-Trains Message: 67885 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Lucky Cat
Group: S-Trains Message: 67886 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Group: S-Trains Message: 67887 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/22/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 67888 From: megannsheckler Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: SOLD... Showcase line S scale Conrail 4 car set and 2 extra cars fo
Group: S-Trains Message: 67889 From: Frank Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Lucky Cat
Group: S-Trains Message: 67890 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67891 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 67892 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Lucky Cat
Group: S-Trains Message: 67893 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Lucky Cat
Group: S-Trains Message: 67894 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains Message: 67895 From: rj4010d Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: 583-A magnetic crane button
Group: S-Trains Message: 67896 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/22/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 67897 From: Rich Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
Group: S-Trains Message: 67898 From: Rich Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: 583-A magnetic crane button
Group: S-Trains Message: 67899 From: Timboy Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
Group: S-Trains Message: 67900 From: Dennis Back Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
Group: S-Trains Message: 67901 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
Group: S-Trains Message: 67902 From: jshannon148 Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67903 From: Ray Cook Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
Group: S-Trains Message: 67904 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Chalenger problem (Update).
Group: S-Trains Message: 67905 From: doerryn Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
Group: S-Trains Message: 67906 From: piccu56 Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67907 From: piccu56 Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Missing link for previous post
Group: S-Trains Message: 67908 From: Ben Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
Group: S-Trains Message: 67909 From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
Group: S-Trains Message: 67910 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Chalenger problem (Update).
Group: S-Trains Message: 67911 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
Group: S-Trains Message: 67912 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Chalenger problem (Update).
Group: S-Trains Message: 67913 From: Timboy Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
Group: S-Trains Message: 67914 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: 752A coal loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 67915 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: 752A coal loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 67916 From: doerryn Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
Group: S-Trains Message: 67917 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67918 From: Timboy Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
Group: S-Trains Message: 67919 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: 752A coal loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 67920 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67921 From: Thorin Marty Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Thorin in Chicago
Group: S-Trains Message: 67922 From: johntech Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Model Railroader is now available in digital for readers worldwide!
Group: S-Trains Message: 67923 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Thorin in Chicago
Group: S-Trains Message: 67924 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67925 From: David Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Drive Wheel Centering Tool (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67926 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: "nut drivers"
Group: S-Trains Message: 67927 From: David Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: New Driver Rims Up Date (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67928 From: Mike Kaiser Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
Group: S-Trains Message: 67929 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Use of the 10 button controller and dip switch settings
Group: S-Trains Message: 67930 From: R G Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
Group: S-Trains Message: 67931 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Loc-Tite alternative
Group: S-Trains Message: 67932 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: "nut drivers"
Group: S-Trains Message: 67933 From: Mike Kaiser Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
Group: S-Trains Message: 67934 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: The Lionel U33C
Group: S-Trains Message: 67935 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: The Lionel U33C
Group: S-Trains Message: 67936 From: dphobbies Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Thorin in Chicago
Group: S-Trains Message: 67937 From: R G Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
Group: S-Trains Message: 67938 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: "nut drivers"
Group: S-Trains Message: 67939 From: Jerry Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
Group: S-Trains Message: 67940 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: "nut drivers"
Group: S-Trains Message: 67941 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
Group: S-Trains Message: 67942 From: R G Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
Group: S-Trains Message: 67943 From: Joseph H Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
Group: S-Trains Message: 67944 From: SMMW Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: SR gon in S scale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 67945 From: Michael Kaiser Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
Group: S-Trains Message: 67946 From: albert paolozzi Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: S scale parts and stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 67947 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: S scale parts and stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 67948 From: mike gardner Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: restringing 944 brownhoist crane
Group: S-Trains Message: 67949 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: restringing 944 brownhoist crane
Group: S-Trains Message: 67950 From: Art Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Next AF by Lionel Diesel speculation
Group: S-Trains Message: 67951 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: restringing 944 brownhoist crane
Group: S-Trains Message: 67952 From: Rich Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: restringing 944 brownhoist crane
Group: S-Trains Message: 67953 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: "nut drivers"
Group: S-Trains Message: 67954 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Grand Rapids MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 67955 From: Donald Keil Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Grand Rapids MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 67956 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: "nut drivers"
Group: S-Trains Message: 67957 From: Dave Winslow Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Re: "nut drivers"
Group: S-Trains Message: 67958 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Re: "nut drivers"
Group: S-Trains Message: 67959 From: piccu56 Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Re: restringing 944 brownhoist crane
Group: S-Trains Message: 67960 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Re: Next AF by Lionel Diesel speculation
Group: S-Trains Message: 67961 From: Roy Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: FNF - New Foamcore Structure
Group: S-Trains Message: 67962 From: Mike Kaiser Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: S gauge shops IL and Wis
Group: S-Trains Message: 67963 From: Roy Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Re: FNF - New Foamcore Structure
Group: S-Trains Message: 67964 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Re: FNF - New Foamcore Structure
Group: S-Trains Message: 67965 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Re: FNF - New Foamcore Structure
Group: S-Trains Message: 67966 From: David Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: NEW #302 Pilot Truck (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67967 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Next AF by Lionel STEAM speculation
Group: S-Trains Message: 67968 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: January 28, 1962
Group: S-Trains Message: 67969 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Re: FNF - New Foamcore Structure
Group: S-Trains Message: 67970 From: Steve Lunde Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Re: S gauge shops IL and Wis
Group: S-Trains Message: 67971 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/29/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 67972 From: Brady Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Re: FNF - New Foamcore Structure
Group: S-Trains Message: 67973 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: AFL UP Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 67974 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Train Book Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 67975 From: rick gough Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Re: NEW #302 Pilot Truck (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67976 From: Brady Burdge Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Z-4000 Remote Commander System
Group: S-Trains Message: 67977 From: Tom David Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Re: S gauge shops IL and Wis
Group: S-Trains Message: 67978 From: fnmichong Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 67979 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: UP/Train Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 67980 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: AFL HAR #1 Set Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 67981 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: IF you have not been to Paradise
Group: S-Trains Message: 67982 From: rxman46321@aol.com Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: Wheelset trade
Group: S-Trains Message: 67983 From: hjsheffield Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: Kits for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 67984 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/29/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 67985 From: Dennis Back Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: Track Gang-- your opinions, please
Group: S-Trains Message: 67986 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: Re: Track Gang-- your opinions, please
Group: S-Trains Message: 67987 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: Re: Track Gang-- your opinions, please
Group: S-Trains Message: 67988 From: R G Date: 1/30/2012
Subject: Re: Track Gang-- your opinions, please
Group: S-Trains Message: 67989 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/30/2012
Subject: Re: Track Gang-- your opinions, please
Group: S-Trains Message: 67990 From: Bill Clark Date: 1/30/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger and U33C Smoke Problems
Group: S-Trains Message: 67991 From: Dennis Back Date: 1/30/2012
Subject: Re: Track Gang-- your opinions, please
Group: S-Trains Message: 67992 From: Cary Date: 1/30/2012
Subject: 720a controller lever centering spring
Group: S-Trains Message: 67993 From: albert paolozzi Date: 1/30/2012
Subject: Re: S scale parts and stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 67994 From: rick gough Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: Track Gang-- your opinions, please
Group: S-Trains Message: 67995 From: Jimbo Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: work gang
Group: S-Trains Message: 67996 From: Bob Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Winter, 2012 Issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide
Group: S-Trains Message: 67997 From: mike gardner Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Thank You
Group: S-Trains Message: 67998 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: 785 Coal Loader Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 67999 From: Ronald Prucha Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: 785 Coal Loader Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 68000 From: David Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68001 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: 785 Coal Loader Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 68002 From: Rich Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68003 From: flyerguy63 Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Silver Flash diesel
Group: S-Trains Message: 68004 From: Richard Falzini Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: Silver Flash diesel
Group: S-Trains Message: 68005 From: Larry Asp Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: Silver Flash diesel
Group: S-Trains Message: 68006 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: Silver Flash diesel
Group: S-Trains Message: 68007 From: R G Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: Silver Flash diesel
Group: S-Trains Message: 68008 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: Silver Flash diesel
Group: S-Trains Message: 68009 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68010 From: Bud Rindfleisch Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: looking for "single pin" step mount PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 68011 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68012 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68013 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68014 From: mike rosz Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68015 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: Silver Flash diesel
Group: S-Trains Message: 68016 From: Frank Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68017 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68018 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: For sale: building kit, rerailers, track, rubber roadbed, handcar sh
Group: S-Trains Message: 68019 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68020 From: Carey Probst Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Hobby Shops between central PA and Atlanta
Group: S-Trains Message: 68021 From: David Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: BIG DISCOUNTS ;o) (advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68022 From: piccu56 Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68023 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68024 From: Bill Clark Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Smoke Problems Resolved
Group: S-Trains Message: 68025 From: R G Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Smoke Problems Resolved
Group: S-Trains Message: 68026 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68027 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68028 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Busses
Group: S-Trains Message: 68029 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: S scale width Atlas O scale Steamer...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68030 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: S scale width Atlas O scale Steamer...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68031 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: S scale width Atlas O scale Steamer...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68032 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: new auction site
Group: S-Trains Message: 68033 From: john dillinger Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: Busses
Group: S-Trains Message: 68034 From: ekaplan707 Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: U33C Scale Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68035 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Winchester Western Railroad
Group: S-Trains Message: 68036 From: Art Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Wanted: GM&O RS-3 by American Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 68037 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68038 From: Brady Burdge Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: New Address for S Gauge Forum
Group: S-Trains Message: 68039 From: fyrrfytr49 Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to ..www.toybusexpo......
Group: S-Trains Message: 68040 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: New Flyonel catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 68041 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: Busses
Group: S-Trains Message: 68042 From: john dillinger Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to ..www.toybusexpo......
Group: S-Trains Message: 68043 From: fyrrfytr49 Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: What is HEUR:Trojan.Script.Iframer? ...FOLLOWUP
Group: S-Trains Message: 68044 From: rick gough Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: S scale width Atlas O scale Steamer...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68045 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: S scale width Atlas O scale Steamer...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68046 From: Larry Moore Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to ..www.toybusexpo......
Group: S-Trains Message: 68047 From: David Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: AF "HEAVY WEIGHT" Pilot Truck (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68048 From: Timboy Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: My Layout is Completed!
Group: S-Trains Message: 68049 From: Rich Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: 785 Coal Loader Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 68050 From: Lon Walker Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to ..www.toybusexpo......
Group: S-Trains Message: 68051 From: R G Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to ..www.toybusexpo......
Group: S-Trains Message: 68052 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: Busses
Group: S-Trains Message: 68053 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68054 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
Group: S-Trains Message: 68055 From: Gregg Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: Busses
Group: S-Trains Message: 68056 From: David Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
Group: S-Trains Message: 68057 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
Group: S-Trains Message: 68058 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: My Layout is Completed!
Group: S-Trains Message: 68059 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
Group: S-Trains Message: 68060 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
Group: S-Trains Message: 68061 From: rick gough Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: S scale width Atlas O scale Steamer...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68062 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: Busses
Group: S-Trains Message: 68063 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: Busses
Group: S-Trains Message: 68064 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68065 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: Busses
Group: S-Trains Message: 68066 From: Al Baker Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
Group: S-Trains Message: 68067 From: Brady Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: My Layout is Completed!
Group: S-Trains Message: 68068 From: Martin A. Johnson Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related - Wally-World
Group: S-Trains Message: 68069 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
Group: S-Trains Message: 68070 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68071 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
Group: S-Trains Message: 68072 From: michael prell Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: My Layout is Completed!
Group: S-Trains Message: 68073 From: Dave Winslow Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
Group: S-Trains Message: 68074 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: The eBay thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68075 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: My layout is completed
Group: S-Trains Message: 68076 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Wacky eBay Behavior - Resolved
Group: S-Trains Message: 68077 From: R G Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68078 From: David Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68079 From: David Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: "NEW" Pilot Truck Update (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68080 From: rick gough Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
Group: S-Trains Message: 68081 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68082 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68083 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: 785 Coal Loader Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 68084 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Where do you get your locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68085 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: 785 Coal Loader Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 68086 From: Rich Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: 785 Coal Loader Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 68087 From: afdinger@bellsouth.net Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: On30 Conversions
Group: S-Trains Message: 68088 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68089 From: Al Baker Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68090 From: Jimbo Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 68091 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68092 From: Al Baker Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: On30 Conversions
Group: S-Trains Message: 68093 From: Rich Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68094 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68095 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68096 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Where do you get your locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68097 From: Timboy Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Thanks To All!
Group: S-Trains Message: 68098 From: Rich Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: On30 Conversions
Group: S-Trains Message: 68099 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 68100 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks To All!
Group: S-Trains Message: 68101 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68102 From: Dave Winslow Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 68103 From: joecraig60514 Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: S-Trains Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68104 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68105 From: rapidrail1 Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: On30 Conversions
Group: S-Trains Message: 68106 From: Frank Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68107 From: Al Baker Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: On30 Conversions
Group: S-Trains Message: 68108 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: S-Trains Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68109 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: S-Trains Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68110 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/5/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 68111 From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: On30 Conversions
Group: S-Trains Message: 68112 From: Tom David Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68113 From: rapidrail1 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68114 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains Message: 68115 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Washington set for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 68116 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: 332 freight set from 1948 for sale. (Like new)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68117 From: David Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: "NEW" HUDSON PILOT TRUCK (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68118 From: johntech Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: First test cut
Group: S-Trains Message: 68119 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: First test cut
Group: S-Trains Message: 68120 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks To All!
Group: S-Trains Message: 68121 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: 0n30 converting
Group: S-Trains Message: 68122 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: The Al Baker Locomotive Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 68123 From: MikeS Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68124 From: Al Baker Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: The Al Baker Locomotive Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 68125 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68126 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: The Al Baker Locomotive Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 68127 From: americanflyer1953 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68128 From: americanflyer1953 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68129 From: Timboy Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: The Al Baker Locomotive Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 68130 From: Mark Mugnai Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68131 From: Dave Bellian Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68132 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains Message: 68133 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68134 From: hjsheffield Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: 44 Tonner
Group: S-Trains Message: 68135 From: johntech Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: First test cut
Group: S-Trains Message: 68136 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Set Box Identification
Group: S-Trains Message: 68137 From: Don 'Mac' Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68138 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Build your own "action" cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68139 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains Message: 68140 From: flyerguy63 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Silver Flash diesel
Group: S-Trains Message: 68141 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68142 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Set Box Identification
Group: S-Trains Message: 68143 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Set Box Identification
Group: S-Trains Message: 68144 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: 44 Tonner
Group: S-Trains Message: 68145 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68146 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains Message: 68147 From: Robert A Persing Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Set Box Identification
Group: S-Trains Message: 68148 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Set Box Identification
Group: S-Trains Message: 68149 From: C Robert Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: AF Price Adjustments
Group: S-Trains Message: 68150 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/5/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 68151 From: Brady Burdge Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: The Al Baker Locomotive Collection
Group: S-Trains Message: 68152 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: 44 Tonner
Group: S-Trains Message: 68153 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Set Box Identification
Group: S-Trains Message: 68154 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: 44 Tonner
Group: S-Trains Message: 68155 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: 44 Tonner
Group: S-Trains Message: 68156 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: 44 Tonner
Group: S-Trains Message: 68157 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: The eBay thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68158 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: U-33 update
Group: S-Trains Message: 68159 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Set Box Identification
Group: S-Trains Message: 68160 From: Jimbo Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: train shopping
Group: S-Trains Message: 68161 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Set Box Identification
Group: S-Trains Message: 68162 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 68163 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: The eBay thing--PS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68164 From: rapidrail1 Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: 0n30 converting
Group: S-Trains Message: 68165 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Where Do I Get My Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 68166 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: eBay: Perhaps I'm wrong?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68167 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing--PS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68168 From: Michael Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Rusty Tracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 68169 From: Carey Probst Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Build your own "action" cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68170 From: Timboy Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Build your own "action" cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68171 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Where Do I Get My Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 68172 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Rusty Tracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 68173 From: Frank Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 68174 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Rusty Tracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 68175 From: rick gough Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 68176 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 68177 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Tufts' Book Info Requests.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68178 From: rick gough Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68179 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Set Box Identification
Group: S-Trains Message: 68180 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 68181 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Test Page from "The Almost Complete Guide, etc."
Group: S-Trains Message: 68182 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68183 From: Dave Winslow Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 68184 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Tufts' pages??
Group: S-Trains Message: 68185 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Test Page from "The Almost Complete Guide, etc."
Group: S-Trains Message: 68186 From: George Cohn Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68187 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Test Page from "The Almost Complete Guide, etc."
Group: S-Trains Message: 68188 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Test Page from
Group: S-Trains Message: 68189 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 68190 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Reference Material
Group: S-Trains Message: 68191 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Need some S GAUGE HELP
Group: S-Trains Message: 68192 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Reference Material
Group: S-Trains Message: 68193 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 68194 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: Test Page from
Group: S-Trains Message: 68195 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 68196 From: Joseph H Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: Where Do I Get My Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 68197 From: Dave Winslow Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: Reference Material
Group: S-Trains Message: 68198 From: Dave Winslow Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: Where Do I Get My Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 68199 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Fwd: [nasgmembers] The New NASG Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 68200 From: Jimbo Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 68201 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Bashes and Layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 68202 From: mike jones Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 68203 From: David Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: GOODYEAR Box Car Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68204 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 68205 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: Where Do I Get My Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 68206 From: Jimbo Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: 322 wireing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68207 From: Louis Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: 322 wireing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68208 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: 322 wireing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68209 From: Tom Detmer Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: 322 wireing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68210 From: rick gough Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: 322 wireing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68211 From: Jimbo Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: tks
Group: S-Trains Message: 68212 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: Test Page from
Group: S-Trains Message: 68213 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: Test Page from
Group: S-Trains Message: 68214 From: John M Date: 2/8/2012
Subject: Repair Clinics
Group: S-Trains Message: 68215 From: David Date: 2/8/2012
Subject: SOHIO Tank Car Decal Set (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68216 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/8/2012
Subject: Re: Repair Clinics
Group: S-Trains Message: 68217 From: willisbd Date: 2/8/2012
Subject: Link Coupler Compatability
Group: S-Trains Message: 68218 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/8/2012
Subject: Re: BILL PARR
Group: S-Trains Message: 68219 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2012
Subject: April 1990 CTT
Group: S-Trains Message: 68220 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/8/2012
Subject: Re: Link Coupler Compatability
Group: S-Trains Message: 68221 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/8/2012
Subject: Re: BILL PARR
Group: S-Trains Message: 68222 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: BILL PARR
Group: S-Trains Message: 68223 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: Link Coupler Compatability
Group: S-Trains Message: 68224 From: David Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68225 From: Slappy Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Looking for instructions for Omnicrom Shark nose diesel kits
Group: S-Trains Message: 68226 From: Obie Bell Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: April 1990 CTT
Group: S-Trains Message: 68227 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: April 1990 CTT
Group: S-Trains Message: 68228 From: Brady Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: April 1990 CTT
Group: S-Trains Message: 68229 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: D&K Pinheads Baseball update
Group: S-Trains Message: 68230 From: rhicks308 Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68231 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: City To City
Group: S-Trains Message: 68232 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Rare Monon Listings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68233 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Rare Monon Listing
Group: S-Trains Message: 68234 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68235 From: rick gough Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68236 From: rick gough Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68237 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68238 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68239 From: Jimbo Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: s gauge club
Group: S-Trains Message: 68240 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68241 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68242 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68243 From: Neil Trump Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68244 From: Dale Reynolds Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: s gauge club
Group: S-Trains Message: 68245 From: Al Baker Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68246 From: John Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: 583 magnetic crane
Group: S-Trains Message: 68247 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68248 From: Joseph H Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: s gauge club
Group: S-Trains Message: 68249 From: sscalemn Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Clear Bulbs in 720 Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 68250 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68251 From: Ron Inscho Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Clear Bulbs in 720 Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 68252 From: R G Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Clear Bulbs in 720 Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 68253 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Clear Bulbs in 720 Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 68254 From: Rich Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68255 From: Rich Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: 583 magnetic crane
Group: S-Trains Message: 68256 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68257 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68258 From: David Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: HUDSON "HEAVY WEIGHT" PILOT TRUCK (Advertisement))
Group: S-Trains Message: 68259 From: rhicks308 Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68260 From: rick gough Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68261 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68262 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68263 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68264 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68265 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68266 From: rick gough Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: 583 magnetic crane
Group: S-Trains Message: 68267 From: rick gough Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68268 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68269 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68270 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68271 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68272 From: Bradley Golden Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68273 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68274 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68275 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68276 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: For sale: Gilbert Flyer equipment
Group: S-Trains Message: 68277 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68278 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Aluminum Passenger cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68279 From: Timboy Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Posting Etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 68280 From: Carey Probst Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68281 From: Dave Winslow Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68282 From: Wayne Wuski Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68283 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Why quarter your drivers?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68284 From: Bradley Golden Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Aluminum Passenger cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68285 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: AF Aluminum Cars - Patina
Group: S-Trains Message: 68286 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68287 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68288 From: David Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Any Requests?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68289 From: Les Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: SceniKing's New Catalogues
Group: S-Trains Message: 68290 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68291 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Aluminum Passenger cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68292 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68293 From: Louis Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68294 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68295 From: Carey Probst Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68296 From: Al Baker Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Why quarter your drivers?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68297 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Cars - Patina
Group: S-Trains Message: 68298 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Why quarter your drivers?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68299 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Why quarter your drivers?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68300 From: Al Baker Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Why quarter your drivers?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68301 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Why quarter your drivers?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68302 From: rick gough Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68303 From: stevew970 Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Any Requests?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68304 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/12/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 68305 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Speaking of Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 68306 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68307 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 68308 From: Bradley Golden Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68309 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68310 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 68311 From: John Metzger Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68312 From: Neil Trump Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Lionel fasTrack switches and transitional pieces
Group: S-Trains Message: 68313 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Aluminum Passenger cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68314 From: Chris Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Posting Etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 68315 From: Timboy Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Posting Etiquette
Group: S-Trains Message: 68316 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Aluminum Passenger cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68317 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68318 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 68319 From: David Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: "DROP COUPLER PILOT ASSEMBLY" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68320 From: Al Baker Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: "DROP COUPLER PILOT ASSEMBLY" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68321 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68322 From: wd511@att.net Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 68323 From: Neil Trump Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 68324 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 68325 From: Rich Falzini Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: New Turn Outs
Group: S-Trains Message: 68326 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Krispy Kreme Flat Car - Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68327 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/12/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 68328 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Brad's train set
Group: S-Trains Message: 68329 From: Brady Burdge Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Brad's train set
Group: S-Trains Message: 68330 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme Flat Car - Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68331 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: EBay Item
Group: S-Trains Message: 68332 From: Bradley Golden Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Brad's train set
Group: S-Trains Message: 68333 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Brad's train set
Group: S-Trains Message: 68334 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Brad's set
Group: S-Trains Message: 68335 From: charlie and edith Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Installing a Tender Step
Group: S-Trains Message: 68336 From: John Metzger Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Brad's train set
Group: S-Trains Message: 68337 From: Bradley Golden Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Brad's train set
Group: S-Trains Message: 68338 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a tender step
Group: S-Trains Message: 68339 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68340 From: R G Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a Tender Step
Group: S-Trains Message: 68341 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68342 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68343 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68344 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a tender step
Group: S-Trains Message: 68345 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a Tender Step
Group: S-Trains Message: 68346 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a tender step
Group: S-Trains Message: 68347 From: George Cohn Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a tender step
Group: S-Trains Message: 68348 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68349 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68350 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a tender step
Group: S-Trains Message: 68351 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a tender step
Group: S-Trains Message: 68352 From: Ben Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme Flat Car - Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68353 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a Tender Step
Group: S-Trains Message: 68354 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: April 1990 CTT
Group: S-Trains Message: 68355 From: George Cohn Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68356 From: NEIL Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: plug rewire
Group: S-Trains Message: 68357 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: plug rewire
Group: S-Trains Message: 68358 From: Frank Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a Tender Step
Group: S-Trains Message: 68359 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a Tender Step
Group: S-Trains Message: 68360 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme Flat Car - Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68361 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Krispy Kreme Vs. Spudnuts - Not Train Related
Group: S-Trains Message: 68362 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: plug rewire
Group: S-Trains Message: 68363 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a Tender Step
Group: S-Trains Message: 68364 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: plug rewire
Group: S-Trains Message: 68365 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a Tender Step
Group: S-Trains Message: 68366 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar--mostly OT
Group: S-Trains Message: 68367 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Another memory...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68368 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Krispy Kreme vs Spudnuts
Group: S-Trains Message: 68369 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Another memory...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68370 From: race944t Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder
Group: S-Trains Message: 68371 From: George Cohn Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Another memory...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68372 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Another memory...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68373 From: Joseph H Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68374 From: Frank Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Another memory...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68375 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: A&W Floats
Group: S-Trains Message: 68376 From: Doug S Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: S-Fest Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68377 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION
Group: S-Trains Message: 68378 From: rick gough Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Another memory...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68379 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder
Group: S-Trains Message: 68380 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68381 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Another memory...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68382 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION
Group: S-Trains Message: 68383 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: A&W Floats
Group: S-Trains Message: 68384 From: Jimbo Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Memory
Group: S-Trains Message: 68385 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION
Group: S-Trains Message: 68386 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Another memory...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68387 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION
Group: S-Trains Message: 68388 From: John Metzger Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Another memory...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68389 From: Edward Musil Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION
Group: S-Trains Message: 68390 From: pinetreerr Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68391 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Remembering the "Good Old Days"
Group: S-Trains Message: 68392 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: S-Fest Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68393 From: alsflyer Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Spudnuts - Yum!
Group: S-Trains Message: 68394 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: Spudnuts - Yum!
Group: S-Trains Message: 68395 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION
Group: S-Trains Message: 68396 From: alsflyer Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Glueing ladders
Group: S-Trains Message: 68397 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION
Group: S-Trains Message: 68398 From: race944t Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: KK & trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 68399 From: NEIL Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Repair help #2
Group: S-Trains Message: 68400 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: plug rewire
Group: S-Trains Message: 68401 From: Patrick McElroy Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: AF Items
Group: S-Trains Message: 68402 From: Bob C Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Layouts Needed For Orange County (CA) Tours
Group: S-Trains Message: 68403 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: Glueing ladders
Group: S-Trains Message: 68404 From: Ted Walton Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION- FLOURINE CHEMISTRY
Group: S-Trains Message: 68405 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Old Flyer for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 68406 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION- FLOURINE CHEMISTRY
Group: S-Trains Message: 68407 From: Jimbo Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: turntables
Group: S-Trains Message: 68408 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: Old Flyer for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 68409 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Re: Old Flyer for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 68410 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION- FLOURINE CHEMISTRY
Group: S-Trains Message: 68411 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Turntable Recommendation
Group: S-Trains Message: 68412 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Donut Wars?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68413 From: Wayne B. Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION
Group: S-Trains Message: 68414 From: timstrains2000 Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Re: Donut Wars?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68415 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Houston Train Show This Weekend
Group: S-Trains Message: 68416 From: R G Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Turntable Recommendation
Group: S-Trains Message: 68417 From: R G Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Re: Donut Wars?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68418 From: EdSauers Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: B&O Caboose Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 68419 From: Edward Sauers Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Can Motors for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 68420 From: Gregg Date: 2/17/2012
Subject: Doodlebug Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 68421 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 2/17/2012
Subject: Re: Doodlebug Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 68422 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/17/2012
Subject: Train Show - Saline Mich - Sat & Sun
Group: S-Trains Message: 68424 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/18/2012
Subject: Union Pacific Derailment
Group: S-Trains Message: 68425 From: IdahoFalls Date: 2/18/2012
Subject: Re: Doodlebug Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 68426 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/18/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/19/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 68427 From: dlkeil Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Re: Doodlebug Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 68428 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: 2012 Greater Houston Train Show
Group: S-Trains Message: 68429 From: rapidrail1 Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: New Circus car photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 68430 From: Timboy Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Re: New Circus car photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 68431 From: Al Baker Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: AF Set Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68432 From: Al Baker Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Re: AF Set Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68433 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Re: AF Set Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68434 From: Neil Trump Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Re: AF Set Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68435 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/19/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 68436 From: johntech Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Adding LED lighting to your layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 68437 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Re: AF Set Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68438 From: kathre1 Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Lionel AF Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68439 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68440 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/20/2012
Subject: A.F Set Prices
Group: S-Trains Message: 68441 From: David Date: 2/20/2012
Subject: New Drive Wheel Tool (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68442 From: JAY KRUER Date: 2/20/2012
Subject: AF Challenger
Group: S-Trains Message: 68443 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 2/20/2012
Subject: Buffalo Creek & Gauley article
Group: S-Trains Message: 68444 From: Jimbo Date: 2/20/2012
Subject: track cleaning car
Group: S-Trains Message: 68445 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Re: track cleaning car
Group: S-Trains Message: 68446 From: charlie and edith Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Plasticville Part
Group: S-Trains Message: 68447 From: Al Baker Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Beginners questions about collecting AF Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 68448 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Re: track cleaning car/ Bulbs
Group: S-Trains Message: 68449 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Re: Plasticville Part
Group: S-Trains Message: 68450 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Re: Beginners questions about collecting AF Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 68451 From: Ben Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Re: New Circus car photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 68452 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Re: AF Challenger
Group: S-Trains Message: 68453 From: Bob Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Announcement: 1:64 Modeling Guide Special Offer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68454 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Re: Beginners questions about collecting AF Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 68455 From: David Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: New Drive Wheel Tool Avaliable (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68456 From: LB Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Trade Wanted Relating to 24566 NH Auto Carrier
Group: S-Trains Message: 68457 From: rapidrail1 Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: New Circus car photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 68458 From: Art Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Wanted: GM&O RS-3 by American Models Number 1519 in AC HR
Group: S-Trains Message: 68459 From: Art Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: U33s on Carl's Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 68460 From: piccu56 Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: Beginners questions about collecting AF Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 68461 From: piccu56 Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF Set Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68462 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: U33s on Carl's Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 68463 From: Al Baker Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF Set Prices? - Thanks!
Group: S-Trains Message: 68464 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: TRAINZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 68465 From: mike jones Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 68466 From: Rich Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 68467 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 68468 From: Obie Bell Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 68469 From: Larry Moore Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 68470 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 68471 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 68472 From: Don Thompson Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted: GM&O RS-3 by American Models Number 1519 in AC HR
Group: S-Trains Message: 68473 From: rick gough Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 68474 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 68475 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: For Sale: American Flyer Service Manual by K-Line
Group: S-Trains Message: 68476 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted: S-Trax
Group: S-Trains Message: 68477 From: David Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: Three (3) New Parts Arriving (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68478 From: nightshift.geo Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: For sale....realistic S scale vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 68479 From: Obie Bell Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: John Heck
Group: S-Trains Message: 68480 From: piccu56 Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: Color help please.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68481 From: Pat Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: SHS # 01310
Group: S-Trains Message: 68482 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: Re: Color help please.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68483 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: Re: John Heck
Group: S-Trains Message: 68484 From: Gerry Evans Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: Fw: [nasgbot] Fw: [nasgmembers] NASG Website Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 68485 From: strain97009 Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: WGH Show This Weekend
Group: S-Trains Message: 68486 From: albert paolozzi Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: Re: Color help please.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68487 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: 2012 Flyer Fest West ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68488 From: Dave Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Looking for instructions for Omnicrom Shark nose diesel kits
Group: S-Trains Message: 68489 From: David Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: DRIVE WHEEL INSULATOR SALE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68490 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Status of Fred Jester's business
Group: S-Trains Message: 68491 From: earl.carlsen@att.net Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Fw: [nasgbot] Fw: [nasgmembers] NASG Website Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 68492 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Fw: [nasgbot] Fw: [nasgmembers] NASG Website Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 68493 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: nasgmembers Yahoo Group (was: NASG Web Site Update)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68494 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Fw: [nasgbot] Fw: [nasgmembers] NASG Website Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 68495 From: EDWARD ECKERT Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 Flyer Fest West ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68496 From: srgriggs Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Any Requests?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68497 From: rapidrail1 Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: New photo
Group: S-Trains Message: 68498 From: afdinger@bellsouth.net Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 68499 From: Brady Burdge Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: End of an era
Group: S-Trains Message: 68500 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 68501 From: Mark Mugnai Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: Any Requests?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68502 From: ron plyler Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: Any Requests?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68503 From: Don Rosa Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 Flyer Fest West ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68504 From: Donald Keil Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 68505 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 Flyer Fest West ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68506 From: Ben Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 68507 From: David Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: HAND HELD QUARTERING TOOL (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68508 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: Color help please.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68509 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: MKT Special
Group: S-Trains Message: 68510 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/26/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 68511 From: Timboy Date: 2/26/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 68512 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/26/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/26/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 68513 From: JOHN RUTH Date: 2/26/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 68514 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/26/2012
Subject: Cleaning Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 68515 From: Ben Date: 2/26/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 68516 From: johntech Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: Static Grass Applicator
Group: S-Trains Message: 68517 From: Don Thompson Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68518 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: Re: Cleaning Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 68519 From: Jerry Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: Re: Cleaning Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 68520 From: Al Baker Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: WGH Show Portland; MTH in 'S' ??
Group: S-Trains Message: 68521 From: strain97009 Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: WGH Show -- Weekend Fun
Group: S-Trains Message: 68522 From: George Cohn Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: Re: Cleaning Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 68523 From: Al Baker Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: Re: WGH Show -- Weekend Fun
Group: S-Trains Message: 68524 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: Re: WGH Show Portland; MTH in 'S' ??
Group: S-Trains Message: 68525 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: 2012 AF catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 68526 From: Herbert Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: WGH Show Portland; MTH in 'S' ??
Group: S-Trains Message: 68527 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: Any Requests?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68528 From: David Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: SINGLE AXLE QUARTERING TOOL Update (Advertisment)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68529 From: Frank Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: Any Requests?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68530 From: Bob Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Announcement: 1:64 Modeling Guide Special Offer Ends 2/29/12
Group: S-Trains Message: 68531 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: WGH Show Portland; MTH in 'S' ??
Group: S-Trains Message: 68532 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: Any Requests?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68533 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: Any Requests?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68534 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: For Sale: Black Thin-Tie Straight Rubber Roadbed with track
Group: S-Trains Message: 68535 From: Obie Bell Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 68536 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: NASG Web Site Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 68537 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/29/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 68538 From: charlie and edith Date: 2/29/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke Units - Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 68539 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 2/29/2012
Subject: Polar Express Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 68540 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/29/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke Units - Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 68541 From: Don Thompson Date: 2/29/2012
Subject: Re: "L" EL U33C (or U36C...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68542 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/29/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 68543 From: iradiate1967 Date: 2/29/2012
Subject: SHS 2-8-0 for sale/trade soon, UP with flyer comp wheels, DC no soun
Group: S-Trains Message: 68544 From: Wayne B. Date: 3/1/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express
Group: S-Trains Message: 68545 From: Obie Bell Date: 3/1/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express
Group: S-Trains Message: 68546 From: Randall Griggs Date: 3/1/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 AF catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 68547 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/1/2012
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert Flyer curved black wide-tie rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 68548 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/1/2012
Subject: Re: Flyonel Polar Express?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68549 From: Obie Bell Date: 3/1/2012
Subject: Re: Flyonel Polar Express?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68550 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Flyer Catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 68551 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 68552 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 68553 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 AF catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 68554 From: Herbert Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 68555 From: Frank Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 68556 From: Ben Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express
Group: S-Trains Message: 68557 From: Frank Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Flyer Catalog try this link
Group: S-Trains Message: 68558 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Catalog try this link
Group: S-Trains Message: 68559 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express
Group: S-Trains Message: 68560 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Catalog try this link
Group: S-Trains Message: 68561 From: R G Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Catalog try this link
Group: S-Trains Message: 68562 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 AF catalog
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Subject: NEW CATALOG
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Subject: 2012 Flyonel catalog
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Subject: Re: 2012 AF catalog
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Subject: AF Switcher Curtain
Group: S-Trains Message: 68567 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: 2012 AF catalog
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Subject: Re: 2012 AF catalog
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Subject: new s gauge
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Subject: Re: 2012 AF catalog
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Subject: NS Heritage schemes are now Official
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Subject: Re: 2012 Flyonel catalog
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Subject: Re: Polar Express
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Subject: S Helper Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 68575 From: JAN ANDERSON Date: 3/3/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 AF catalog
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Subject: Re: 2012 AF catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 68577 From: Brady Date: 3/3/2012
Subject: 2012 MTH R-T-R Catalog
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Subject: Re: SHS 2-8-0 for sale/trade soon, UP with flyer comp wheels, DC no
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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/4/2012, 8:00 pm
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Subject: New cat.
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Subject: FS : Great Model Railroads - First 5 Issues!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 68582 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: The Gilbert Chicago Hall of Science
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Subject: Re: 2012 Flyonel catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 68584 From: Thorin Marty Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Lionel's Legacy versus DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 68585 From: afjeff_56 Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: 2012 American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68586 From: Al Baker Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: AM K-4 Lubrication
Group: S-Trains Message: 68587 From: Frank Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Re: The Gilbert Chicago Hall of Science
Group: S-Trains Message: 68588 From: David Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: AF #300 - 302 NEW Boiler Front (Advertisement)
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Subject: Re: AF #300 - 302 NEW Boiler Front (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68590 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: 2012 catalog effects
Group: S-Trains Message: 68591 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: UP Heritage diesels
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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/4/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 68593 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Jen's Barrel Warehouse Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 68594 From: Mike Vaughn Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: What is the best way to clean old equipment
Group: S-Trains Message: 68595 From: willisbd Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Shelf Layout - Railroading Merit
Group: S-Trains Message: 68596 From: Frank Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Re: Shelf Layout - Railroading Merit
Group: S-Trains Message: 68597 From: Jerry Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Re: AM K-4 Lubrication
Group: S-Trains Message: 68598 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Re: S Helper Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 68599 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AM K-4 Lubrication
Group: S-Trains Message: 68600 From: Eric Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: S Helper Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 68601 From: George Cohn Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Great Train expos
Group: S-Trains Message: 68602 From: The Reardon's Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AM K-4 Lubrication
Group: S-Trains Message: 68603 From: David Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Decal Set Over Run (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68604 From: Jerry Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AM K-4 Lubrication
Group: S-Trains Message: 68605 From: Donald Keil Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AM K-4 Lubrication
Group: S-Trains Message: 68606 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Great Train expos
Group: S-Trains Message: 68607 From: grchud Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: 2012 Lionel S Catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 68608 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Great Train expos
Group: S-Trains Message: 68609 From: Rich Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AF #300 - 302 NEW Boiler Front (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68610 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Great Train expos
Group: S-Trains Message: 68611 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AF #300 - 302 NEW Boiler Front (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68612 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AF Switcher Curtain
Group: S-Trains Message: 68613 From: George Cohn Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Great Train expos
Group: S-Trains Message: 68614 From: rick gough Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AF #300 - 302 NEW Boiler Front (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68615 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AF Switcher Curtain
Group: S-Trains Message: 68616 From: Alex Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Great Train expos
Group: S-Trains Message: 68617 From: Al Baker Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AF #300 - 302 NEW Boiler Front (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68618 From: americanflyer1953 Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: What is the best way to clean old equipment
Group: S-Trains Message: 68619 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: AF #300 - 302 NEW Boiler Front (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68620 From: Gale Hall Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: looking for
Group: S-Trains Message: 68621 From: Joseph H Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: Great Train expos
Group: S-Trains Message: 68622 From: race944t Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: Great Train expos - Tucson AZ show
Group: S-Trains Message: 68623 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68624 From: David Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Decal Set Over Run Update (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68625 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68626 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68627 From: Mike Vaughn Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Question about remote switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 68628 From: rzuerlein2001 Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68629 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Question of wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68630 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68631 From: R G Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: Question about remote switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 68632 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: Question of wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68633 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68634 From: IdahoFalls Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: What is the best way to clean old equipment
Group: S-Trains Message: 68635 From: R G Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: Question of wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68636 From: Dale Reynolds Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68637 From: ron190sl Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: American Flier (sic)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68638 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68639 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: Great Train expos
Group: S-Trains Message: 68640 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Scale vs Hi-rail wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68641 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: American Flier (sic)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68642 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: Question of wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68643 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68644 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68645 From: bowlsalot2@yahoo.com Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68646 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68647 From: rzuerlein2001 Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68648 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68649 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68650 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68651 From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68652 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68653 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68654 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Bumping into Layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 68655 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Question of wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 68656 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68657 From: robert hendrickson Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68658 From: scott.dargenio@sbcglobal.net Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: FS Silver Flash Set with add on Vista Dome car
Group: S-Trains Message: 68659 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68660 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: Bumping into layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 68661 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68662 From: jtkeating Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: Bumping into layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 68663 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: AF Switcher Curtain
Group: S-Trains Message: 68664 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: AF Switcher Curtain
Group: S-Trains Message: 68665 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68666 From: wjchadbourne Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: AF Switcher Curtain
Group: S-Trains Message: 68667 From: Steven Lunde Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Great Northern RS-3
Group: S-Trains Message: 68668 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: AF Switcher Curtain
Group: S-Trains Message: 68669 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68670 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: Bumping into layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 68671 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: Bumping into layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 68672 From: Bob Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine Announcement
Group: S-Trains Message: 68673 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68674 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Smoke formulas was Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68675 From: Robert Boring Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: Bumping into layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 68676 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: Bumping into layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 68677 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68678 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Maintaining and/or replacing knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 68679 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: Bumping into layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 68680 From: Joseph H Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: Bumping into layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 68681 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines
Group: S-Trains Message: 68682 From: rzuerlein2001 Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines
Group: S-Trains Message: 68683 From: R G Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines
Group: S-Trains Message: 68684 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines
Group: S-Trains Message: 68685 From: Ben Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: New Circus car photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 68686 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Curve radius questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 68687 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines
Group: S-Trains Message: 68688 From: R G Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines
Group: S-Trains Message: 68689 From: Herbert Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68690 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: New Circus car photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 68691 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 68692 From: rick gough Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: Maintaining and/or replacing knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 68693 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68694 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines
Group: S-Trains Message: 68695 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: March "Stumpy's Station" posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68696 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Converting Bachmann On30
Group: S-Trains Message: 68697 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: American Flier (sic)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68698 From: Joseph H Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Re: New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines
Group: S-Trains Message: 68699 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Re: Curve radius questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 68700 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Re: Converting Bachmann On30
Group: S-Trains Message: 68701 From: Herbert Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Re: American Flier (sic)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68702 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Re: Converting Bachmann On30
Group: S-Trains Message: 68703 From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Re: American Flier (sic)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68704 From: Dale Reynolds Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Re: American Flier (sic)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68705 From: David Highfield Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Children handling trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 68706 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Re: American Flier (sic)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68707 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Train Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 68708 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/11/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 68709 From: Ben Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Circus photo album posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68710 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Re: Train Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 68711 From: David Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: LBR Products Update (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68712 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Re: Train Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 68713 From: Dave Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: NEW PHOTOS OF SINGLE AXLE QUARTERING TOOL (Ad)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68714 From: Ben Perry Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Re: Circus photo album posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 68715 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Converting Bachmann On30 - Complete
Group: S-Trains Message: 68716 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Re: Converting Bachmann On30 - Complete
Group: S-Trains Message: 68717 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: On30 Conversion Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 68718 From: Charles Malinowski Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Obituary for Jerry Schnur
Group: S-Trains Message: 68719 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/11/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 68720 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Re: New Address for S Gauge Forum
Group: S-Trains Message: 68721 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Re: Train Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 68722 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Re: Train Set(Putt Trains)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68723 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: Train Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 68724 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: Train Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 68725 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: Train Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 68726 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: Train Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 68727 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Putt Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 68728 From: Richard Reichard Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Rail Bending & Switch Building
Group: S-Trains Message: 68729 From: Jonnyspeed Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Facebook S group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68730 From: johntech Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: Rail Bending & Switch Building
Group: S-Trains Message: 68731 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68732 From: Timboy Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: Rail Bending & Switch Building
Group: S-Trains Message: 68733 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68734 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68735 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68736 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68737 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68738 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: The adventure of scented smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 68739 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68740 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Decals for Tennessee Central FAs, in S scale, are being offered
Group: S-Trains Message: 68741 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68742 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68743 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68744 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: More about smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68745 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Latest Circus car
Group: S-Trains Message: 68746 From: barb Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5617
Group: S-Trains Message: 68747 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68748 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68749 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68750 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68751 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68752 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: More about smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68753 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68754 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68755 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 68756 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68757 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68758 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68759 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68760 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68761 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68762 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68763 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68764 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68765 From: piccu56 Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About Odd Characters In Emails.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68766 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: Goofy Characters in Messages
Group: S-Trains Message: 68767 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68768 From: Ben Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Hot Stuff- Royal Blue
Group: S-Trains Message: 68769 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 68770 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 68771 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: Goofy Characters in Messages
Group: S-Trains Message: 68772 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68773 From: Lon Walker Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68774 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68775 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68776 From: Edward Musil Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68777 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68778 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: Hot Stuff- Royal Blue
Group: S-Trains Message: 68779 From: mike boyd Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: Hot Stuff- Royal Blue
Group: S-Trains Message: 68780 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68781 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68782 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About Odd Characters In Emails.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68783 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: LVTS Smoke fluid et.al
Group: S-Trains Message: 68784 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68785 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: LVTS Smoke fluid et.al
Group: S-Trains Message: 68786 From: alsflyer Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: National S Gauge Day
Group: S-Trains Message: 68787 From: rick gough Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68788 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68789 From: Frank Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: National S Gauge Day
Group: S-Trains Message: 68790 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: National S Gauge Day
Group: S-Trains Message: 68791 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Smoke Fluid Smell Test
Group: S-Trains Message: 68792 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: LVTS Smoke fluid et.al
Group: S-Trains Message: 68793 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: About Odd Characters In Emails.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68794 From: Bob Moyer Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: AF HO
Group: S-Trains Message: 68795 From: DennisC Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68796 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Smoke Odor vs. Volume
Group: S-Trains Message: 68797 From: Frank Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF HO
Group: S-Trains Message: 68798 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68799 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Smoke unit wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 68800 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF HO
Group: S-Trains Message: 68801 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke unit wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 68802 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF HO
Group: S-Trains Message: 68803 From: Timboy Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke Odor vs. Volume
Group: S-Trains Message: 68804 From: rick gough Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68805 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: American Flyer sort-of Advertisement
Group: S-Trains Message: 68806 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Smoke odor vs. Volume
Group: S-Trains Message: 68807 From: americanflyer1953 Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke unit wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 68808 From: Rich Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: American Flyer sort-of Advertisement
Group: S-Trains Message: 68809 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: S guage doodlebug
Group: S-Trains Message: 68810 From: Timboy Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke odor vs. Volume
Group: S-Trains Message: 68811 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68812 From: Gerry Siegel Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: S guage doodlebug
Group: S-Trains Message: 68813 From: David Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: AF Depressed Center FC, C&NW Decal Set (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68814 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: American Flyer sort-of Advertisement
Group: S-Trains Message: 68815 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: American Flyer sort-of Advertisement
Group: S-Trains Message: 68816 From: Ron Inscho Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: American Flyer sort-of Advertisement
Group: S-Trains Message: 68817 From: johntech Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: S guage doodlebug
Group: S-Trains Message: 68818 From: Timboy Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68819 From: rick gough Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke odor vs. Volume
Group: S-Trains Message: 68820 From: frank emiro Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68821 From: Brady Burdge Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: RailPictures.Net Photo: NS 8098 Norfolk Southern GE ES44AC at Altoon
Group: S-Trains Message: 68822 From: emmersmom1950 Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68823 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Lionel Circus cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68824 From: americanflyer1953 Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68825 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68826 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68827 From: Gerry Siegel Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: S guage doodlebug
Group: S-Trains Message: 68828 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: S guage doodlebug
Group: S-Trains Message: 68829 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Circus cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 68830 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68831 From: Al Baker Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68832 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68833 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68834 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68835 From: Al Baker Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68836 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68837 From: Timboy Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68838 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68839 From: Frank Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68840 From: Frank Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68841 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/18/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 68842 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68843 From: Obie Bell Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68844 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68845 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68846 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68847 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68848 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68849 From: Al Baker Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68850 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68851 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68852 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 68853 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68854 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 68855 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68856 From: acgilbertguy Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 68857 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68858 From: Timboy Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: New Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 68859 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: New Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 68860 From: emmersmom1950 Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68861 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs. K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 68862 From: Rich Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 68863 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 68864 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 68865 From: Robert Conner Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68866 From: Frank Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 68867 From: Paul Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68868 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68869 From: rj4010d Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Spring "S" Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 68870 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/18/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 68871 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 68872 From: Brady Burdge Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68873 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68874 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: 25052 Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 68875 From: Robert Conner Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68876 From: Ben Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: ACME carousel truck on eBay...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68877 From: Eric Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Extra stuff for sale part 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 68878 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: 25052 Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 68879 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 68880 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: 25052 Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 68881 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: 25052 Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 68882 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Helicopter Question - Semi Train Related
Group: S-Trains Message: 68883 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Caboose Video American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68884 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68885 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Helicopter Question - Semi Train Related
Group: S-Trains Message: 68886 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: 25052 Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 68887 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68888 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68889 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68890 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Caboose video American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68891 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Helicopter toy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68892 From: Obie Bell Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68893 From: rick gough Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: 25052 Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 68894 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68895 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose video American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68896 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose video American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68897 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68898 From: rick gough Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Caboose video American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68899 From: Obie Bell Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose video American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68900 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose video American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68901 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68902 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68903 From: fyrrfytr49 Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Caboose video
Group: S-Trains Message: 68904 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68905 From: emmersmom1950 Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68906 From: charlie and edith Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Flyer 370 Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 68907 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer 370 Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 68908 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: AF 660 - Aluminum Combine
Group: S-Trains Message: 68909 From: R G Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68910 From: Herbert Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68911 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68912 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Zippy and the RR's
Group: S-Trains Message: 68913 From: emmersmom1950 Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68914 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68915 From: Gene Cimino Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 68916 From: rick gough Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68917 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 68918 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Lowest cost uncouplers??
Group: S-Trains Message: 68919 From: Paul Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 68920 From: plotnick@earthlink.net Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Lionel Docksider runs slow
Group: S-Trains Message: 68921 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncouplers??
Group: S-Trains Message: 68922 From: Bob Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Reduced Spring AF Prices
Group: S-Trains Message: 68923 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/21/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncouplers?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68924 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 3/21/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncouplers?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68925 From: Gene Cimino Date: 3/21/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 68926 From: Brady Burdge Date: 3/21/2012
Subject: RailPictures.Net Photo: NS 8099 Norfolk Southern GE ES44AC at Chatta
Group: S-Trains Message: 68927 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Breaking News
Group: S-Trains Message: 68928 From: David Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: AF #35X Pilot Truck, Solid Steel (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68929 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Smoke Fluid Test: LBR "Smoke Cloud"
Group: S-Trains Message: 68930 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: New circus train videos
Group: S-Trains Message: 68931 From: Jacques Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: I Updated Some Pictures in my S Trains Folder
Group: S-Trains Message: 68932 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Trost Chicago
Group: S-Trains Message: 68933 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Re: I Updated Some Pictures in my S Trains Folder
Group: S-Trains Message: 68934 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Re: Trost Chicago
Group: S-Trains Message: 68935 From: R G Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Re: Trost Chicago
Group: S-Trains Message: 68936 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Trost Chicago
Group: S-Trains Message: 68937 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Re: Trost Chicago
Group: S-Trains Message: 68938 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: AF Corvette Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 68940 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 68941 From: Frank Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 68942 From: Obie Bell Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 68943 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 68944 From: acgilbertguy Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 68945 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 68946 From: Bob C Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: San Diego County (CA) Layouts Needed For Tour
Group: S-Trains Message: 68947 From: Frank Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 68948 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 68949 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 68950 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 68951 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 68952 From: emmersmom1950 Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Newbie took the plunge
Group: S-Trains Message: 68953 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 68954 From: The Reardon's Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 68955 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: ITEM FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains Message: 68956 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 68957 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 68958 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 68959 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 68960 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 68961 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 68962 From: Brady Date: 3/24/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncouplers?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68963 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/24/2012
Subject: Lionel New track
Group: S-Trains Message: 68964 From: Jimbo Date: 3/24/2012
Subject: diesal question 21801
Group: S-Trains Message: 68965 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/24/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 68966 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/24/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/25/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 68967 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/24/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 68968 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/24/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track
Group: S-Trains Message: 68969 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Group: S-Trains Message: 68970 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track
Group: S-Trains Message: 68971 From: Chilberto Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: RFG Diesel Roar.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68972 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Group: S-Trains Message: 68973 From: Roger D Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 68974 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Lionel track 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 68975 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel track 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 68976 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/25/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 68977 From: Jimbo Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: question agian about baldwin 21801
Group: S-Trains Message: 68978 From: scott.dargenio@sbcglobal.net Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: FS Silver Flash Set with add on Vista Dome car
Group: S-Trains Message: 68979 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Re: question agian about baldwin 21801
Group: S-Trains Message: 68980 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Emails
Group: S-Trains Message: 68981 From: Larry Moore Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Re: RFG Diesel Roar.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68982 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: symbol's
Group: S-Trains Message: 68983 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Bob Tufts Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 68984 From: rick gough Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: RFG Diesel Roar.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68985 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68986 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: New additions to the American Flyer Displays Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 68987 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: update on Scratch built S and On30 rolling stock
Group: S-Trains Message: 68988 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: symbol's
Group: S-Trains Message: 68989 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: symbol's
Group: S-Trains Message: 68990 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68991 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: symbol's
Group: S-Trains Message: 68992 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Bob Tufts Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 68993 From: piccu56 Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Emails
Group: S-Trains Message: 68994 From: R G Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: RFG Diesel Roar.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68995 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Group: S-Trains Message: 68996 From: Timboy Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68997 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: symbol's
Group: S-Trains Message: 68998 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: SYMBOLS
Group: S-Trains Message: 68999 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 69000 From: Mike Leahy Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Gold's Department Store
Group: S-Trains Message: 69001 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Emails
Group: S-Trains Message: 69002 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: symbol's
Group: S-Trains Message: 69003 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: symbol's
Group: S-Trains Message: 69004 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69005 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Group: S-Trains Message: 69006 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: symbol's
Group: S-Trains Message: 69007 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69008 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69009 From: rick gough Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: RFG Diesel Roar.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69010 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Group: S-Trains Message: 69011 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69012 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69013 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 69014 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69015 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Group: S-Trains Message: 69016 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Group: S-Trains Message: 69017 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69018 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69019 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Stumpy, and Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69020 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69021 From: robert hendrickson Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69022 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69023 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 69024 From: Timboy Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Stumpy, and Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69025 From: Timboy Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Stumpy, and Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69026 From: robert hendrickson Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Enough Already
Group: S-Trains Message: 69027 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Enough Already
Group: S-Trains Message: 69028 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 69029 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69030 From: Timboy Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Enough Already
Group: S-Trains Message: 69031 From: EDWARD Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: From a moderator!
Group: S-Trains Message: 69032 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Stumpy, and Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69033 From: Timboy Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Stumpy, and Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69034 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 69035 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Seeking North Carolina Club Info Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 69036 From: George Cohn Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Enough Already
Group: S-Trains Message: 69037 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: From a moderator!
Group: S-Trains Message: 69038 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Kewl AFL Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 69039 From: bkweidner Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: S scale and or S Hirail trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69040 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: ACG display trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69041 From: roninscho9 Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: question agian about baldwin 21801
Group: S-Trains Message: 69042 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 69043 From: EDWARD Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Moderator
Group: S-Trains Message: 69044 From: Herbert Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Group: S-Trains Message: 69045 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 69046 From: ken garber Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale and or S Hirail trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69047 From: R G Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale and or S Hirail trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69048 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Group: S-Trains Message: 69049 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track- Are turnouts for high rail only ???
Group: S-Trains Message: 69050 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale and or S Hirail trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69051 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Group: S-Trains Message: 69052 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 69053 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Group: S-Trains Message: 69054 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale or Hi-rail trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69055 From: Timboy Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale and or S Hirail trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69056 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 69057 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale and or S Hirail trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69058 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale and or S Hirail trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69059 From: Joseph H Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Seeking North Carolina Club Info Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 69060 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale or Hi-rail trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69061 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: ACG display trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69062 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 69063 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 69064 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: New Circus car photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 69065 From: Herbert Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Group: S-Trains Message: 69066 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Group: S-Trains Message: 69067 From: ljcamp2 Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: ACG display trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69068 From: Brady Burdge Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale and or S Hirail trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69069 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 69070 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Extra Cymbals
Group: S-Trains Message: 69071 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Extra Cymbals
Group: S-Trains Message: 69072 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track- Are turnouts for high rail only ???
Group: S-Trains Message: 69073 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Extra Cymbals
Group: S-Trains Message: 69074 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Extra Cymbals
Group: S-Trains Message: 69075 From: Dennis Back Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Extra Cymbals
Group: S-Trains Message: 69076 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Extra Cymbals
Group: S-Trains Message: 69077 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: Extra Cymbals
Group: S-Trains Message: 69078 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69079 From: Obie Bell Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: [S-List] What To Call Lionel American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 69080 From: Frank Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69081 From: R G Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69082 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69083 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69084 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Dayton Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 69085 From: Paul Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 69086 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 69087 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 69088 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree (or save for the Choo Choo)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69089 From: johntech Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 69090 From: fyrrfytr49 Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: ESTATE SALE..> ATTENTION all RIVIT Counters
Group: S-Trains Message: 69091 From: Raul Catta Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: I need some advice about the storage of AF tracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 69092 From: Larry Asp Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: ESTATE SALE..> ATTENTION all RIVIT Counters
Group: S-Trains Message: 69093 From: fyrrfytr49 Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: ESTATE SALE..> ATTENTION all RIVIT Counters
Group: S-Trains Message: 69094 From: fyrrfytr49 Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: ESTATE SALE..> ATTENTION all RIVIT Counters
Group: S-Trains Message: 69095 From: robert hendrickson Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: I need some advice about the storage of AF tracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 69096 From: Larry Asp Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: ESTATE SALE..> ATTENTION all RIVIT Counters
Group: S-Trains Message: 69097 From: David Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: BAKER'S CHOCOLATE Reefer Decal Set (NEW), Advertisement
Group: S-Trains Message: 69098 From: Louis Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Design Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69099 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Lets Go to the SPREE - Dayton Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 69100 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: Design Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69101 From: Randy Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69102 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69103 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 69104 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 69105 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 69106 From: Paul Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 69107 From: Robert Conner Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: MOTELS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69108 From: Ted Walton Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Engine problem AF 308
Group: S-Trains Message: 69109 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: MOTELS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69110 From: Brady Burdge Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: NKP (NS) Heritage Diesel
Group: S-Trains Message: 69111 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: MOTELS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69112 From: Larry Moore Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
Group: S-Trains Message: 69113 From: alansherry@comcast.net Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: MOTELS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69114 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
Group: S-Trains Message: 69115 From: johntech Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: NKP (NS) Heritage Diesel
Group: S-Trains Message: 69116 From: clayton deich Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69117 From: Larry Moore Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Piedmont "S" Gaugers club
Group: S-Trains Message: 69118 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: Piedmont "S" Gaugers club
Group: S-Trains Message: 69119 From: acgilbertguy Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: MOTELS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69120 From: fyrrfytr49 Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: ESTATE SALE..> ATTENTION all RIVIT Counters
Group: S-Trains Message: 69121 From: Lamont Heppe Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69122 From: texas0717 Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncouplers?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69123 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncouplers?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69124 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: MOTELS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69125 From: Rich Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: AF Atlantic Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69126 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncoupler
Group: S-Trains Message: 69127 From: John Davis Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
Group: S-Trains Message: 69128 From: kevin Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Looking for some S-Helper 01295 Kadee®-style Couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 69129 From: Timboy Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncoupler
Group: S-Trains Message: 69130 From: frank emiro Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69131 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Looking for some S-Helper 01295 Kadee®-style Coupler
Group: S-Trains Message: 69132 From: Ted Walton Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
Group: S-Trains Message: 69133 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69134 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69135 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
Group: S-Trains Message: 69136 From: Frank Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69137 From: Paul Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncoupler
Group: S-Trains Message: 69138 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69139 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69140 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
Group: S-Trains Message: 69141 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: AF 0-6-0T Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69142 From: Al Baker Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69143 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
Group: S-Trains Message: 69144 From: rj4010d Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Spring Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 69145 From: Frank Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: AF 0-6-0T Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69146 From: Frank Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69147 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69148 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Fuel on Tank engines
Group: S-Trains Message: 69149 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncoupler
Group: S-Trains Message: 69150 From: Paul Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: Spring Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 69151 From: frank emiro Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: 0-4-0 without visible fuel tank
Group: S-Trains Message: 69152 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Engine problem AF 308
Group: S-Trains Message: 69153 From: frank emiro Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Fw: Could # 16 be the proto 0-6-0 ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69154 From: Paul Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 without visible fuel tank
Group: S-Trains Message: 69155 From: Rich Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Baldwin Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69156 From: frank emiro Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 without visible fuel tank
Group: S-Trains Message: 69157 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/1/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69158 From: Ted Walton Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
Group: S-Trains Message: 69160 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: Baldwin Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69161 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69162 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: NEW NASG / NMRA LAYOUT
Group: S-Trains Message: 69163 From: Randall Griggs Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69164 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Video - Two Trains Running on the Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 69165 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: AFL Silver Flash Set on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 69166 From: Lamont Heppe Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 without visible fuel tank
Group: S-Trains Message: 69167 From: scott dargenio Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: AFL Silver Flash Set on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 69168 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Engine selection by AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 69169 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69170 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: NKP (NS) Heritage Diesel
Group: S-Trains Message: 69171 From: Rich Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Engine selection by AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 69172 From: Rich Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69173 From: johntech Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Norfolk Southern decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 69174 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 69175 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/1/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69176 From: Frank Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69177 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Engine selection by AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 69178 From: Frank Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Baldwin Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69179 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69180 From: Timboy Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Engine selection by AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 69181 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Baldwin Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69182 From: johntech Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 69183 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Baldwin Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69184 From: Frank Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Baldwin Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69185 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Steam survival
Group: S-Trains Message: 69186 From: Rich Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Steam survival
Group: S-Trains Message: 69187 From: David Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: DISCOUNT COUPON (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69188 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Wives and trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69189 From: Paul Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Spring Spree times, I hang my head in shame
Group: S-Trains Message: 69190 From: barb Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Two trains running on the layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 69191 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Two trains running on the layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 69192 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Wives and trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69193 From: sscale@bestweb.net Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 69194 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Wives and trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69195 From: Jimbo Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: for trade are sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69196 From: frank emiro Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Baldwin Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69197 From: Al Baker Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Wives and trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69198 From: David Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: AF Tender Chassis Extender Splines (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69199 From: Dennis Back Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Wives and trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69200 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Recent Posts Related to Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 69201 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 69202 From: George Cohn Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 69203 From: D. Winslow Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 69204 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Baldwin Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69205 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 69206 From: George Cohn Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 69207 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 69208 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69209 From: Frank Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Baldwin Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69210 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 69211 From: sgaugian Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Center City Phila S-Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 69212 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 69213 From: barb Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Two Trains Running on the Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 69214 From: rapidrail1 Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69215 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 69216 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Too many Yahoo Groups?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69217 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Too many Yahoo Groups?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69218 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Too many Yahoo Groups?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69219 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69220 From: JOHN Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Respectable "butt" size
Group: S-Trains Message: 69221 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69222 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 69223 From: Timboy Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Too many Yahoo Groups?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69224 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69225 From: David Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: DREYFUSS BOILER FACE (NEW) Advertisement
Group: S-Trains Message: 69226 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69227 From: Timboy Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69228 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69229 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69230 From: Timboy Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69231 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69232 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69233 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69234 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69235 From: Lon Walker Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69236 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69237 From: Tom Hawley Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Attaching trucks to cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 69238 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Attaching trucks to cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 69239 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69240 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: DREYFUSS BOILER FACE (NEW) Advertisement
Group: S-Trains Message: 69241 From: plotnick@earthlink.net Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider runs slow
Group: S-Trains Message: 69242 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider runs slow
Group: S-Trains Message: 69243 From: ken garber Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: Attaching trucks to cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 69244 From: rapidrail1 Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 69245 From: R G Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider runs slow
Group: S-Trains Message: 69246 From: Rich Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider runs slow
Group: S-Trains Message: 69247 From: rm_hirailer Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: GG-1 trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 69248 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1 trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 69249 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1 trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 69250 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1 trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 69251 From: carl4flyer Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Yahoo Group Policies Reminder
Group: S-Trains Message: 69252 From: Kyle Russell Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1 trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 69253 From: afdinger@bellsouth.net Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Lionel Floodlight Tower Bulbs
Group: S-Trains Message: 69254 From: JOHN RUTH Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: GG1 Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 69255 From: Timboy Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Flyer vs. Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69256 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer vs. Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69257 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer vs. Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69258 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: 4-8-4 quartering tool blatant add
Group: S-Trains Message: 69259 From: Obie Bell Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer vs. Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69260 From: Timboy Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer vs. Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69261 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 quartering tool blatant add
Group: S-Trains Message: 69262 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer vs. Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 69263 From: Ted Walton Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
Group: S-Trains Message: 69264 From: rick gough Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
Group: S-Trains Message: 69265 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
Group: S-Trains Message: 69266 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1 trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 69267 From: David Date: 4/6/2012
Subject: TWO DAY SALE "M3007 Trailing Truck Wheels Cover" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69268 From: David Date: 4/6/2012
Subject: TWO DAY SALE "#R23 Two Wheel Trailing Truck" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69269 From: Roy Meissner Date: 4/6/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1 trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 69270 From: Jimbo Date: 4/6/2012
Subject: lots of sparks
Group: S-Trains Message: 69271 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: lots of sparks
Group: S-Trains Message: 69272 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: lots of sparks
Group: S-Trains Message: 69273 From: MARK MCFREDERICK Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: ACCESSORY AND ACTION CAR CONTROL BUTTONS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69274 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: SIT Armature
Group: S-Trains Message: 69275 From: David Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Trailing Truck SALE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69276 From: johntech Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: ACCESSORY AND ACTION CAR CONTROL BUTTONS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69277 From: D. Winslow Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: ACCESSORY AND ACTION CAR CONTROL BUTTONS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69278 From: Timboy Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: lots of sparks
Group: S-Trains Message: 69279 From: Robert Graves Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: ACCESSORY AND ACTION CAR CONTROL BUTTONS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69280 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: History of Railroad Logos...
Group: S-Trains Message: 69281 From: David Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: SMOKE Fluid Sale, 2 Days Only (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69282 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Photos of Homemade Accessory Buttons
Group: S-Trains Message: 69283 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: ACCESSORY AND ACTION CAR CONTROL BUTTONS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69284 From: Timboy Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: Photos of Homemade Accessory Buttons
Group: S-Trains Message: 69285 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: oops! 4-8-4 tool
Group: S-Trains Message: 69286 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: New on My Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69287 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: 312 SIT armature
Group: S-Trains Message: 69288 From: Robert Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Been gone
Group: S-Trains Message: 69289 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: Been gone
Group: S-Trains Message: 69290 From: sioneli80 Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Big S Scale warehouse available.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69291 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/8/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69292 From: rick gough Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: Re: 312 SIT armature
Group: S-Trains Message: 69293 From: Robert Lampe Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: Re: Been gone
Group: S-Trains Message: 69294 From: David Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: New Code #125 rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 69295 From: johntech Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: Re: New Code #125 rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 69296 From: Tom Detmer Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: Re: New Code #125 rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 69297 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/8/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69298 From: aftmbx62 Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: AF SINTERED TRUCKS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69299 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: NASG Web Site Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 69300 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: New Central of Georgia (NS) Loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 69301 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: Re: AF SINTERED TRUCKS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69302 From: Kyle Russell Date: 4/9/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1 trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 69303 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/9/2012
Subject: Norfolk Southern Nickel Plate Road Heritage Locomotive #8100 - YouTu
Group: S-Trains Message: 69304 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/9/2012
Subject: Re: New Central of Georgia (NS) Loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 69305 From: MARK MCFREDERICK Date: 4/9/2012
Subject: Re: AF SINTERED TRUCKS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69306 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 4/9/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1 trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 69307 From: David Date: 4/9/2012
Subject: NS Rail Purchase Poll (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69308 From: David Date: 4/9/2012
Subject: "SALE EXTENDED" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69309 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/9/2012
Subject: N&W Heritage Diesel (NS)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69310 From: Al Date: 4/10/2012
Subject: Re: New Code #125 rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 69311 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/10/2012
Subject: Re: New Code #125 rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 69312 From: Donald Keil Date: 4/10/2012
Subject: Re: New Code #125 rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 69313 From: Bob Date: 4/10/2012
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Announcement
Group: S-Trains Message: 69314 From: Donald Keil Date: 4/10/2012
Subject: Re: New Code #125 rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 69315 From: David Date: 4/11/2012
Subject: NEW "HEAVY DUTY" Draw Bar Strap & Screw (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69316 From: Al Baker Date: 4/11/2012
Subject: Re: NEW "HEAVY DUTY" Draw Bar Strap & Screw (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69317 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/11/2012
Subject: Re: NEW "HEAVY DUTY" Draw Bar Strap & Screw (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69318 From: sgaugian Date: 4/11/2012
Subject: York from Macungie
Group: S-Trains Message: 69319 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/11/2012
Subject: Re: York from Macungie
Group: S-Trains Message: 69320 From: David Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: E Unit Sale, Original #XA10587-E, 2 Days (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69321 From: sgaugian Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: Re: York from Macungie
Group: S-Trains Message: 69322 From: Bob Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Special Offer (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69323 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Ad Removed
Group: S-Trains Message: 69324 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Ad Removed
Group: S-Trains Message: 69325 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: Diesel field rewinding
Group: S-Trains Message: 69326 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: Re: (Ad removed)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69327 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: Re: Diesel field rewinding
Group: S-Trains Message: 69328 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: Re: (Ad removed)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69329 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: Re: (Ad removed)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69330 From: rlg44 Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: New Photo Album added showing a new "The Royal Blue" conversion proj
Group: S-Trains Message: 69331 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: Would you promote NASG Convention at Southeast train events, esp NC&
Group: S-Trains Message: 69332 From: Bob Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: Classic American Flyer Trains on my Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 69333 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: New Photo Album added showing a new "The Royal Blue" conversion proj
Group: S-Trains Message: 69334 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Photo Album added showing a new "The Royal Blue" conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 69335 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Photo Album added showing a new "The Royal Blue" conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 69336 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Photo Album added showing a new "The Royal Blue" conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 69337 From: R G Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Photo Album added showing a new "The Royal Blue" conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 69338 From: Mellon, Jay Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: Repro B&O Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 69339 From: Jerry Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Photo Album added showing a new "The Royal Blue" conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 69340 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: The Royal Blue set
Group: S-Trains Message: 69341 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: S-'n-S Trains closing
Group: S-Trains Message: 69342 From: Al Baker Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains closing
Group: S-Trains Message: 69343 From: Rick Evans Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains closing
Group: S-Trains Message: 69344 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: SnS Trains closing
Group: S-Trains Message: 69345 From: jhannawald@comcast.net Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: Re: SnS Trains closing
Group: S-Trains Message: 69346 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains closing
Group: S-Trains Message: 69347 From: Roy Inman Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains closing
Group: S-Trains Message: 69348 From: Tom David Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: Re: Diesel field rewinding
Group: S-Trains Message: 69349 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/15/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69350 From: Gale Hall Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: looking to trade
Group: S-Trains Message: 69351 From: Thorin Marty Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Watching paint dry
Group: S-Trains Message: 69352 From: Thorin Marty Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Lumpy paint clogs airbrushes
Group: S-Trains Message: 69353 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Lumpy paint clogs airbrushes
Group: S-Trains Message: 69354 From: Robert Lampe Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Lumpy paint clogs airbrushes
Group: S-Trains Message: 69355 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Lumpy paint clogs airbrushes
Group: S-Trains Message: 69356 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Watching paint dry
Group: S-Trains Message: 69357 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Watching paint dry
Group: S-Trains Message: 69358 From: mike boyd Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Lumpy paint clogs airbrushes
Group: S-Trains Message: 69359 From: scott dargenio Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Lumpy paint clogs airbrushes
Group: S-Trains Message: 69360 From: Randall Griggs Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: “The Royal Blue” Conversion Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 69361 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/15/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69362 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Watching paint dry
Group: S-Trains Message: 69363 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: lumpy painrs
Group: S-Trains Message: 69364 From: mike boyd Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] “The Royal Blue” Conversion Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 69365 From: Jerry Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Watching paint dry
Group: S-Trains Message: 69366 From: Al Baker Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Watching paint dry
Group: S-Trains Message: 69367 From: Ray Puls Date: 4/16/2012
Subject: Re: watching paint dry
Group: S-Trains Message: 69368 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 4/16/2012
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] “The Royal Blue” Conversion Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 69369 From: Anthony Cynor Date: 4/16/2012
Subject: Re: Watching paint dry
Group: S-Trains Message: 69370 From: Steven Allen Date: 4/16/2012
Subject: Re: Watching paint dry
Group: S-Trains Message: 69371 From: rlg44 Date: 4/16/2012
Subject: Re: The Royal Blue Conversion Project-Paint Spray Booth
Group: S-Trains Message: 69372 From: Robert Date: 4/16/2012
Subject: Re: Watching paint dry
Group: S-Trains Message: 69373 From: Jerry Date: 4/16/2012
Subject: AM Heavyweight interiors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69374 From: Tom Detmer Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69375 From: David Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: NEW QUARTERING TOOL (0-8-0 & 0-6-0), Advertisement
Group: S-Trains Message: 69376 From: Jerry Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69377 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69378 From: Tom Detmer Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69379 From: George Cohn Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: The Royal Blue Conversion Project-Paint Spray Booth
Group: S-Trains Message: 69380 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69381 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69382 From: Robert Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69383 From: Timboy Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69384 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69385 From: Robert Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69386 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69387 From: Robert Conner Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69388 From: Tom Hawley Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69389 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69390 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Guard Rails - Glossary
Group: S-Trains Message: 69391 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Fred Jester Inventory--MARK Your Calendars
Group: S-Trains Message: 69392 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Diesel field rewinding -follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 69393 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: 45 Car Freight Train Video Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 69394 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Diesel field rewinding -follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 69395 From: Robert Graves Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: video of San Diego S-Gaugers Operations Scenario
Group: S-Trains Message: 69396 From: piccu56 Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: Re: Fred Jester Inventory--MARK Your Calendars
Group: S-Trains Message: 69397 From: Brady Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: PRR Heritage Unit (NS)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69398 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: AF switch 2 train control alternative
Group: S-Trains Message: 69399 From: Donald Keil Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
Group: S-Trains Message: 69400 From: rick gough Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Group: S-Trains Message: 69401 From: Tim Benner Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: Re: Diesel field rewinding -follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 69402 From: gsc3 Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: Something different for Freelance coal hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 69403 From: Donald Abram Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: Re: Diesel field rewinding -follow up
Group: S-Trains Message: 69404 From: Jerry Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
Group: S-Trains Message: 69405 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: Re: video of San Diego S-Gaugers Operations Scenario
Group: S-Trains Message: 69406 From: Robert Graves Date: 4/19/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
Group: S-Trains Message: 69407 From: SMMW Date: 4/19/2012
Subject: New S scale details announced .. paid orders now accepted
Group: S-Trains Message: 69408 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/20/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
Group: S-Trains Message: 69409 From: Jerry Date: 4/20/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
Group: S-Trains Message: 69410 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/20/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
Group: S-Trains Message: 69411 From: Timboy Date: 4/21/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
Group: S-Trains Message: 69412 From: herb.cotter Date: 4/21/2012
Subject: Invitation - Connecticut S-Gaugers meeting - April 28th
Group: S-Trains Message: 69413 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/21/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/22/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69414 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 4/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
Group: S-Trains Message: 69415 From: Adrian Phillips Date: 4/22/2012
Subject: acquisition
Group: S-Trains Message: 69416 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/22/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/22/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69417 From: Timboy Date: 4/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
Group: S-Trains Message: 69418 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 4/22/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69419 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69420 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69421 From: David Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: AF PACIFIC Draw Bar Strap/Cab Extender (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69422 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
Group: S-Trains Message: 69423 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69424 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: radius
Group: S-Trains Message: 69425 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: radius
Group: S-Trains Message: 69426 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: radius
Group: S-Trains Message: 69427 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: radius
Group: S-Trains Message: 69428 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: radius
Group: S-Trains Message: 69429 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: S Chat / Kindle Fire
Group: S-Trains Message: 69430 From: Robert Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Track Planning
Group: S-Trains Message: 69431 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Lehigh Valley Heritage Loco (NS)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69432 From: Jerry Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69433 From: Jerry Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69434 From: johntech Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: S Chat / Kindle Fire
Group: S-Trains Message: 69435 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69436 From: sgaugian Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: Lehigh Valley Heritage Loco (NS)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69437 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: S Chat / Kindle Fire
Group: S-Trains Message: 69438 From: rapidrail1 Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Re: Lehigh Valley Heritage Loco (NS)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69439 From: Ben Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Heavyweight doors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69440 From: Lon Walker Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69441 From: Paul Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Dayton Ohio Spring Spree information
Group: S-Trains Message: 69442 From: Bob C Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Show Your Layout During The PSR 2012 Convention (So. Calif.)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69443 From: Bob Moyer Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69444 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69445 From: Gale Hall Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69446 From: MICHAEL Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Re: I Updated Some Pictures in my S Trains Folder
Group: S-Trains Message: 69447 From: George Cohn Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69448 From: Ben Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69449 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69450 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69451 From: George Cohn Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69452 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69453 From: George Cohn Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69454 From: Roy Meissner Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: resin casting
Group: S-Trains Message: 69455 From: Robert Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Detailing parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 69456 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: TrainLife - NKP Geeps Earned Their Stripes
Group: S-Trains Message: 69457 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Detailing parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 69458 From: Robert Lampe Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Detailing parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 69459 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: NASG Chattanooga: Southern #630 Steam & TVRM
Group: S-Trains Message: 69460 From: ALan Evans Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Detailing parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 69461 From: zemouse2001 Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: resin casting
Group: S-Trains Message: 69462 From: ken garber Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Re: resin casting
Group: S-Trains Message: 69463 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69464 From: Ray Puls Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Re: NKP Geeps earned their stripes
Group: S-Trains Message: 69465 From: Brady Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Original Norfolk Southern - NS Heritage Loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 69466 From: Rich Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Re: Original Norfolk Southern - NS Heritage Loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 69467 From: John & Maria Harvey Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: AF in Akron, Cleveland Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 69468 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69469 From: Lennis Hall Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69470 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69471 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69472 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 4/27/2012
Subject: First edition AC Gilbert postwar AF S Gauge Reference Man.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69473 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 4/27/2012
Subject: NASG Chattanooga: Southern #630 Steam & TVRM
Group: S-Trains Message: 69474 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/27/2012
Subject: Re: What I'd like to see in S
Group: S-Trains Message: 69475 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/27/2012
Subject: Re: was NASG Chatt. SR #630 Steam/TVRM - FAMILY ATTRACTIONS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69476 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/27/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69477 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/27/2012
Subject: Re: What I'd like to see in S -Enter your create idea in NASG AF Con
Group: S-Trains Message: 69478 From: Edward Musil Date: 4/27/2012
Subject: Re: First edition AC Gilbert postwar AF S Gauge Reference Man.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69479 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69480 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69481 From: Brady Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69482 From: Jacques Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: 21155 Docksider Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 69483 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69484 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: s-gauge reference manual SOLD!
Group: S-Trains Message: 69485 From: Al Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69486 From: johntech Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69487 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69488 From: Henry Buehling Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69489 From: David Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: 0-8-0 & 0-6-0 Quartering Tool Photo (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69490 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: S-Trains-Traders
Group: S-Trains Message: 69491 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: What I'd like to see Flyonel make--mail pick up car
Group: S-Trains Message: 69492 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69493 From: Robert Conner Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69494 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: 0-8-0 & 0-6-0 Quartering Tool Photo (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69495 From: David Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: NEW QUARTERING TOOL Address Change (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69496 From: roninscho Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: What I'd like to see Flyonel make--mail pick up car
Group: S-Trains Message: 69497 From: Randy Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69498 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: 21155 Docksider Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 69499 From: Brady Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: What I'd like to see Flyonel make--mail pick up car
Group: S-Trains Message: 69500 From: Mark Speichert Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69501 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/29/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69502 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69503 From: Henry Buehling Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69504 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69505 From: Roy Inman Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69506 From: R G Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: What I'd like to see Flyonel make--mail pick up car
Group: S-Trains Message: 69507 From: stevew970 Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: S-Trains-Traders
Group: S-Trains Message: 69508 From: Brady Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69509 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: S trains- Traders Why?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69510 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69511 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: S trains- Traders Why?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69512 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: S-Trains-Traders
Group: S-Trains Message: 69513 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Possible Spam alert
Group: S-Trains Message: 69514 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: What I'd like to see Flyonel make--mail pick up car
Group: S-Trains Message: 69515 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: NASG Convention - Some info on CIvil War and Great Loco Chase Sites
Group: S-Trains Message: 69516 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: Possible Spam alert
Group: S-Trains Message: 69517 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/29/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69518 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: What I'd like to see Flyonel make--mail pick up car
Group: S-Trains Message: 69519 From: Ben Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Newest circus project
Group: S-Trains Message: 69520 From: Ben Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69521 From: Ben Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 69522 From: Charlie Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: S Scale Train Supplies
Group: S-Trains Message: 69523 From: David Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: PRR Heavy Weight Pass. Car Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69524 From: rapidrail1 Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: Re: Newest circus project
Group: S-Trains Message: 69525 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: Re: S trains- Traders Why?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69526 From: Ben Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: Re: Newest circus project
Group: S-Trains Message: 69527 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: Plan a great FAMILY VACATION at the NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains Message: 69528 From: Timboy Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: Re: S trains- Traders Why?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69529 From: bcgsteam Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: S Gauge on "The Rail Channel"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69530 From: Bob Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Spring Issue
Group: S-Trains Message: 69531 From: Carey Probst Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Re: S trains- Traders Why?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69532 From: David Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Parts Update (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69533 From: Roy Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Re: S Scale Train Supplies
Group: S-Trains Message: 69534 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Getting ready fo the Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 69535 From: racin510 Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Wreck Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 69536 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Re: Getting ready fo the Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 69537 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Lift Bridge Thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 69538 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Re: Wreck Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 69539 From: Charlie Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Re: S Scale Train Supplies
Group: S-Trains Message: 69540 From: Paul Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Re: Getting ready fo the Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 69541 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Parts Update (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69542 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Oddball device in engines
Group: S-Trains Message: 69543 From: Rich Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 69544 From: D. Winslow Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 69545 From: David Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Photo of the Month ;o) (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69546 From: Leon Bedard Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 69547 From: Thorin Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel's Legacy versus DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 69548 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 69549 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: American Flyer prototype lock ons
Group: S-Trains Message: 69550 From: David Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: STRIPEING TAPES ;o) (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69551 From: Al Baker Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Custom PRR N1 2-10-2 Loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 69552 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Lockout Eliminator for can motors & Dallee?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69553 From: boxcar4willhe Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: American Flyer prototype lock ons
Group: S-Trains Message: 69554 From: David Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: 1st MODEL OF THE MONTH COVER PHOTO
Group: S-Trains Message: 69555 From: Lennis Hall Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Lift Bridge Thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 69556 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: STRIPEING TAPES ;o) (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69557 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: American Flyer prototype lock ons
Group: S-Trains Message: 69558 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: STRIPING TAPES
Group: S-Trains Message: 69559 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: STRIPEING TAPES ;o) (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69560 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Custom PRR N1 2-10-2 locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 69561 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: STRIPEING TAPES ;o) (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69562 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 69563 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Custom PRR N1 2-10-2 Loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 69564 From: Ben Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Oddball device in engines
Group: S-Trains Message: 69565 From: rhicks308 Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Oddball device in engines
Group: S-Trains Message: 69566 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: NASG 2012 Convention Web Site Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 69567 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel's Legacy versus DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 69568 From: Jim Armstrong Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Oddball device in engines
Group: S-Trains Message: 69569 From: Thorin Date: 5/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel's Legacy versus DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 69570 From: Gene Cimino Date: 5/3/2012
Subject: Re: Custom PRR N1 2-10-2 Loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 69571 From: Thorin Date: 5/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 69572 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/4/2012
Subject: Lift Bridge Article
Group: S-Trains Message: 69573 From: adrian.phillips52 Date: 5/5/2012
Subject: Classic Line Railmaster
Group: S-Trains Message: 69574 From: David Date: 5/5/2012
Subject: STRIPING TAPE UP-DATE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69575 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/5/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/6/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69576 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/5/2012
Subject: The Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 69577 From: David Date: 5/6/2012
Subject: STRIPING TAPES Typo (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69578 From: rwferr1 Date: 5/6/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 69579 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/6/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/6/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69580 From: Jerry Date: 5/6/2012
Subject: Paint Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69581 From: R G Date: 5/6/2012
Subject: Re: Paint Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69582 From: Donald Keil Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Article
Group: S-Trains Message: 69583 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Article
Group: S-Trains Message: 69584 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Article
Group: S-Trains Message: 69585 From: Carey Probst Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Article
Group: S-Trains Message: 69586 From: David Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: INTRODUCTORY OFFER - 5 Days Only (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69587 From: rm_hirailer Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Article
Group: S-Trains Message: 69588 From: JOHN RUTH Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Lift Bridge
Group: S-Trains Message: 69589 From: rm_hirailer Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: RMHR Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 69590 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: RMHR Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 69591 From: Carey Probst Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Article
Group: S-Trains Message: 69592 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: Paint Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69593 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Unsung S Heroes
Group: S-Trains Message: 69594 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: MP-54
Group: S-Trains Message: 69595 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
Group: S-Trains Message: 69596 From: Donald Keil Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
Group: S-Trains Message: 69597 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
Group: S-Trains Message: 69598 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
Group: S-Trains Message: 69599 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
Group: S-Trains Message: 69600 From: Al Baker Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
Group: S-Trains Message: 69601 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Info Needed for "Inland Empire S Gauge Assn. of the Pacific Northwes
Group: S-Trains Message: 69602 From: Michael Rector Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
Group: S-Trains Message: 69603 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
Group: S-Trains Message: 69604 From: wjchadbourne Date: 5/8/2012
Subject: Re: Info Needed for "Inland Empire S Gauge Assn. of the Pacific Nort
Group: S-Trains Message: 69605 From: Ed Date: 5/8/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
Group: S-Trains Message: 69606 From: Robert Date: 5/8/2012
Subject: S scale vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 69607 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/8/2012
Subject: Re: S scale vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 69608 From: bedard_leon Date: 5/9/2012
Subject: AF 695 Reverse Loop Relay
Group: S-Trains Message: 69609 From: R G Date: 5/9/2012
Subject: Re: AF 695 Reverse Loop Relay
Group: S-Trains Message: 69610 From: sioneli80 Date: 5/9/2012
Subject: Huge Warehouse for S Scale.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69611 From: Rich Date: 5/9/2012
Subject: Re: AF 695 Reverse Loop Relay
Group: S-Trains Message: 69612 From: Rich Date: 5/9/2012
Subject: lift bridge hinge - another thought
Group: S-Trains Message: 69613 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 5/10/2012
Subject: Re: lift bridge hinge - another thought
Group: S-Trains Message: 69614 From: Lynn Ray Date: 5/10/2012
Subject: Re: lift bridge hinge - another thought
Group: S-Trains Message: 69615 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 5/10/2012
Subject: Re: lift bridge hinge - another thought
Group: S-Trains Message: 69616 From: mike boyd Date: 5/11/2012
Subject: Re: lift bridge hinge - another thought
Group: S-Trains Message: 69617 From: David Date: 5/11/2012
Subject: AF #290 Cab Extender (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69618 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/11/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
Group: S-Trains Message: 69619 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 5/11/2012
Subject: scratch built shay
Group: S-Trains Message: 69624 From: John & Maria Harvey Date: 5/12/2012
Subject: AF - S gauge in Akron / Cleveland Area
Group: S-Trains Message: 69625 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 5/12/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 69626 From: Michael Rector Date: 5/12/2012
Subject: Re: AF - S gauge in Akron / Cleveland Area
Group: S-Trains Message: 69627 From: Brady Date: 5/12/2012
Subject: Passenger Train Operations
Group: S-Trains Message: 69628 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/12/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/13/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69629 From: adrian.phillips52 Date: 5/12/2012
Subject: Containers
Group: S-Trains Message: 69630 From: johntech Date: 5/13/2012
Subject: Re: Containers
Group: S-Trains Message: 69631 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/13/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
Group: S-Trains Message: 69632 From: Larry Moore Date: 5/13/2012
Subject: Mothers Day
Group: S-Trains Message: 69633 From: Robert Date: 5/13/2012
Subject: Re: Mothers Day
Group: S-Trains Message: 69634 From: Carey Probst Date: 5/13/2012
Subject: Re: Mothers Day
Group: S-Trains Message: 69635 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/13/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/13/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69636 From: Gale Hall Date: 5/13/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
Group: S-Trains Message: 69638 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 5/13/2012
Subject: upper platform for 729a aircraft beacon tower
Group: S-Trains Message: 69639 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: AF Rolling Stock Boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 69640 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
Group: S-Trains Message: 69641 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
Group: S-Trains Message: 69642 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
Group: S-Trains Message: 69643 From: John McAlonan Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
Group: S-Trains Message: 69644 From: rhicks308 Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: AF Rolling Stock Boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 69645 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: AF Rolling Stock Boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 69646 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
Group: S-Trains Message: 69647 From: Robert Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
Group: S-Trains Message: 69648 From: Bob Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Announcement: 1:64 Modeling Guide Spring Issue Is Here!
Group: S-Trains Message: 69649 From: Robert Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 69650 From: Jerry Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: AF Rolling Stock Boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 69651 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
Group: S-Trains Message: 69652 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
Group: S-Trains Message: 69653 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
Group: S-Trains Message: 69654 From: piccu56 Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF Rolling Stock Boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 69655 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
Group: S-Trains Message: 69656 From: Robert Lampe Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
Group: S-Trains Message: 69657 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: AF Rolling Stock Boxes - Another Try
Group: S-Trains Message: 69658 From: George Cohn Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF Rolling Stock Boxes - Another Try
Group: S-Trains Message: 69659 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF Rolling Stock Boxes - Another Try
Group: S-Trains Message: 69660 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: upper platform for 729a aircraft beacon tower
Group: S-Trains Message: 69661 From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net Date: 5/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Rolling Stock Boxes - Another Try
Group: S-Trains Message: 69662 From: Brady Date: 5/16/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
Group: S-Trains Message: 69663 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Rolling Stock Boxes - Another Try
Group: S-Trains Message: 69664 From: Brady Date: 5/16/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
Group: S-Trains Message: 69665 From: ironrailmodels Date: 5/16/2012
Subject: BLATANT Iron Rails Models Advertising
Group: S-Trains Message: 69666 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 5/16/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
Group: S-Trains Message: 69667 From: David Date: 5/18/2012
Subject: BOSTON and MAINE E&T Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69668 From: aztecfan Date: 5/18/2012
Subject: Turn pictures to 3D models
Group: S-Trains Message: 69669 From: Michael Date: 5/18/2012
Subject: Triple S Supplies
Group: S-Trains Message: 69670 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: Re: Triple S Supplies
Group: S-Trains Message: 69671 From: rapidrail1 Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: Re: Triple S Supplies
Group: S-Trains Message: 69672 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: Re: Triple S Supplies
Group: S-Trains Message: 69673 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: Homemade Rolling Stock Boxes - Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 69674 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: Re: Triple S Supplies
Group: S-Trains Message: 69675 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: Re: Triple S Supplies
Group: S-Trains Message: 69676 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: Re: Triple S Supplies
Group: S-Trains Message: 69677 From: Brady Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: RPO Operations
Group: S-Trains Message: 69678 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/20/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69679 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: National Train Day 2012 with the San Diego S-Gaugers
Group: S-Trains Message: 69680 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/20/2012
Subject: Flat Car Loaded with REA panel trucks - Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 69681 From: David Date: 5/20/2012
Subject: AF NORTHERN HUBS (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69682 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/20/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/20/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69683 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 5/20/2012
Subject: Knuckle coupler removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 69684 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/20/2012
Subject: Re: Flat Car Loaded with REA panel trucks - Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 69685 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/20/2012
Subject: Stumpy's Station for May
Group: S-Trains Message: 69686 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/20/2012
Subject: Re: Knuckle coupler removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 69687 From: Tom David Date: 5/21/2012
Subject: Re: Knuckle coupler removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 69688 From: rhicks308 Date: 5/21/2012
Subject: Re: RPO Operations
Group: S-Trains Message: 69689 From: mike rosz Date: 5/21/2012
Subject: Re: Knuckle coupler removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 69690 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/21/2012
Subject: NYC Heritage unit (NS)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69691 From: Paul Date: 5/21/2012
Subject: Looking for SHS #01194 (USRA PRR 2-bay Open Top Hoppers - 3 car set)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69692 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 5/21/2012
Subject: Fwd: [ChattanoogaRails] Fwd: [NSInfo] Norfolk Southern Heritage loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 69693 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/21/2012
Subject: SnS Trains to re-open
Group: S-Trains Message: 69694 From: barb Date: 5/21/2012
Subject: Flat Car Loaded with REA panel trucks - Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 69695 From: robert hendrickson Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69696 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: Flat Car Loaded with REA panel trucks - Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 69697 From: Roy Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Some Interesting News
Group: S-Trains Message: 69698 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69699 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: Some Interesting News
Group: S-Trains Message: 69700 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: Some Interesting News
Group: S-Trains Message: 69701 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69702 From: Brady Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: MTH Enters S Scale In 2013
Group: S-Trains Message: 69703 From: R G Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69704 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69705 From: detmer@charter.net Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69706 From: Robert Lampe Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69707 From: johntech Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69708 From: johntech Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: MTH Show Schedule Detroit , Michigan area
Group: S-Trains Message: 69709 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69710 From: Robert Lampe Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69711 From: Tom Hawley Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Show Schedule Grand Rapids , Michigan area
Group: S-Trains Message: 69712 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69713 From: Alex Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69714 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69715 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: MTH acquires S Helper...a message from Don...
Group: S-Trains Message: 69716 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69717 From: Tony Gervasio Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69718 From: Frank Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69719 From: The Reardon's Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69720 From: Frank Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69721 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69722 From: Robert Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: MTH acquires S Helper...a message from Don...
Group: S-Trains Message: 69723 From: Roy Inman Date: 5/23/2012
Subject: Re: MTH acquires S Helper...a message from Don...
Group: S-Trains Message: 69724 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/23/2012
Subject: High Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69725 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 5/23/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69726 From: Robert Date: 5/23/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69727 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/23/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69728 From: Larry Moore Date: 5/23/2012
Subject: B unit chassis
Group: S-Trains Message: 69729 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 5/23/2012
Subject: East Broad Top Railroad
Group: S-Trains Message: 69730 From: Brady Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69731 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69732 From: Robert Lampe Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69733 From: Frank Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69734 From: Wayne B. Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69735 From: rapidrail1 Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Erector set lives again
Group: S-Trains Message: 69736 From: Robert Lampe Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69737 From: Brady Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: MTH Hell Gate Bridge
Group: S-Trains Message: 69738 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69739 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Reading Heritage unit (NS)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69740 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69741 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69742 From: Al Baker Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Modification to S-Helper Switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 69743 From: Robert Lampe Date: 5/25/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69744 From: Joseph H Date: 5/25/2012
Subject: Re: Reading Heritage unit (NS)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69745 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/25/2012
Subject: History repeats itself?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69746 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/25/2012
Subject: Erie Heritage unit (NS)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69747 From: Clay Buckage Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Re: Reading Heritage unit (NS)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69748 From: Robert Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Scratchbuilding
Group: S-Trains Message: 69749 From: rapidrail1 Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Re: History repeats itself?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69750 From: Rich Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: High Prices and Inflation
Group: S-Trains Message: 69751 From: afjeff_56 Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding
Group: S-Trains Message: 69752 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding
Group: S-Trains Message: 69753 From: Bob Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Wiring Washington 21089
Group: S-Trains Message: 69754 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Scratchbuilding & Jess
Group: S-Trains Message: 69755 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices and Inflation
Group: S-Trains Message: 69756 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69757 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices and Inflation
Group: S-Trains Message: 69758 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Washington 21089
Group: S-Trains Message: 69759 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: High prices and Inflation
Group: S-Trains Message: 69760 From: D. Winslow Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices and Inflation
Group: S-Trains Message: 69761 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Washington 21089
Group: S-Trains Message: 69762 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Washington 21089
Group: S-Trains Message: 69763 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Washington 21089
Group: S-Trains Message: 69764 From: roninscho Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Washington 21089
Group: S-Trains Message: 69765 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69766 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Washington 21089
Group: S-Trains Message: 69767 From: David Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Marker Light Jewels (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69768 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69769 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69770 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69771 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69772 From: Bill Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Jess Bennett
Group: S-Trains Message: 69773 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Washington 21089
Group: S-Trains Message: 69774 From: Robert Lampe Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Jess Bennett
Group: S-Trains Message: 69775 From: Gale Hall Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Jess Bennett
Group: S-Trains Message: 69776 From: boxcar4willhe Date: 5/28/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices, lifes challenges and scratch building
Group: S-Trains Message: 69777 From: Bob Moyer Date: 5/29/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69778 From: sscalemn Date: 5/29/2012
Subject: 2010 NASG National Convention CGW Creco Door X-29 Box Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 69779 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/29/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69780 From: wb4hay Date: 5/30/2012
Subject: ACL Cabooses
Group: S-Trains Message: 69781 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/30/2012
Subject: Re: ACL Cabooses
Group: S-Trains Message: 69782 From: Carey Probst Date: 5/30/2012
Subject: Re: ACL Cabooses
Group: S-Trains Message: 69783 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 5/30/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69784 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 5/30/2012
Subject: Re: ACL Cabooses
Group: S-Trains Message: 69785 From: David Date: 6/1/2012
Subject: Marker Light Jewels Are Here (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69786 From: David Date: 6/1/2012
Subject: Drop Coupler Pilot Assy. For ATLANTICS (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69787 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 6/1/2012
Subject: Fwd: model railroad 75th dvd
Group: S-Trains Message: 69788 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/2/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/3/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69789 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/3/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/3/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69790 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 6/4/2012
Subject: S-Helper Engines Wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 69791 From: Gale Hall Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: S-Helper Engines Wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 69792 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: S-Helper Engines Wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 69793 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Quiet Times
Group: S-Trains Message: 69794 From: Frank Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Group: S-Trains Message: 69795 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Group: S-Trains Message: 69796 From: R G Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Group: S-Trains Message: 69797 From: R G Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Group: S-Trains Message: 69798 From: Frank Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Group: S-Trains Message: 69799 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Group: S-Trains Message: 69800 From: racin510 Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Talking Station Fine Tune
Group: S-Trains Message: 69801 From: Frank Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Group: S-Trains Message: 69802 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: A cost comparison
Group: S-Trains Message: 69803 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Re: A cost comparison
Group: S-Trains Message: 69804 From: D. Winslow Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Re: A cost comparison
Group: S-Trains Message: 69805 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Re: A cost comparison
Group: S-Trains Message: 69806 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Re: A cost comparison
Group: S-Trains Message: 69807 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Re: A cost comparison
Group: S-Trains Message: 69808 From: clayton deich Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Group: S-Trains Message: 69809 From: R G Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Locomatic control problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 69810 From: D. Winslow Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Locomatic control problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 69811 From: David Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Drop Coupler Pilot Assy. For ATLANTICS Photos (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69812 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Locomatic control problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 69813 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Locomatic control problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 69814 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: LocoMatic--Response from DALLEE
Group: S-Trains Message: 69815 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Quiet Times
Group: S-Trains Message: 69816 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Group: S-Trains Message: 69817 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: A cost comparison-more info
Group: S-Trains Message: 69818 From: R G Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Locomatic control problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 69819 From: Al Baker Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Group: S-Trains Message: 69820 From: Bill Date: 6/9/2012
Subject: request to buy turnouts.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69821 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 6/9/2012
Subject: Sale of Joe's Train Repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 69822 From: Al Baker Date: 6/9/2012
Subject: Gluing Pulmor tires to wheels ???
Group: S-Trains Message: 69823 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Gluing Pulmor tires to wheels ???
Group: S-Trains Message: 69824 From: race944t Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Sale of Joe's Train Repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 69825 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Gluing Pulmor tires to wheels ???
Group: S-Trains Message: 69826 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Sale of Joe's Train Repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 69827 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: request to buy turnouts.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69828 From: rick gough Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Gluing Pulmor tires to wheels ???
Group: S-Trains Message: 69829 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Bill Farner's email address
Group: S-Trains Message: 69830 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Bill Farner's email address
Group: S-Trains Message: 69831 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Bill Farner's email address
Group: S-Trains Message: 69832 From: Larry Moore Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Wiring Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 69833 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 69834 From: Roy Inman Date: 6/11/2012
Subject: Re: Bill Farner's email address
Group: S-Trains Message: 69835 From: Brady Date: 6/11/2012
Subject: N Scale Amusement Park Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 69836 From: Richard Reichard Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: 2 Guys from Ashley, IN having a Blast !
Group: S-Trains Message: 69837 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Group: S-Trains Message: 69838 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Group: S-Trains Message: 69839 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Group: S-Trains Message: 69840 From: safespec@bellsouth.net Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 69841 From: mike rosz Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 69842 From: R G Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 69843 From: MARK MCFREDERICK Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 69844 From: race944t Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Group: S-Trains Message: 69845 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Shops in Greater Kansas City
Group: S-Trains Message: 69846 From: David Highfield Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Red Caboose Motel
Group: S-Trains Message: 69847 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red Caboose Motel
Group: S-Trains Message: 69848 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 69849 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 69850 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 69851 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Group: S-Trains Message: 69852 From: Robert Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 69853 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 69854 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Group: S-Trains Message: 69855 From: barb Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Looking For Info
Group: S-Trains Message: 69856 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: [S-Mod] Aluminum module frames
Group: S-Trains Message: 69857 From: Bob Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update and a Call for Material
Group: S-Trains Message: 69858 From: First Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Group: S-Trains Message: 69859 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Group: S-Trains Message: 69860 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Group: S-Trains Message: 69861 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 69862 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Flyonel UP PA problems
Group: S-Trains Message: 69863 From: Edward Musil Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 69864 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 6/14/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 69865 From: David Date: 6/14/2012
Subject: ROCK ISLAND Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69866 From: Edward Musil Date: 6/14/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 69867 From: Don 'Mac' Date: 6/14/2012
Subject: Red Caboose Motel??? Flyonel PAs??? Which is it?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69868 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 6/14/2012
Subject: Re: Red Caboose Motel??? Flyonel PAs??? Which is it?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69869 From: R G Date: 6/14/2012
Subject: Re: Flyonel UP PA problems
Group: S-Trains Message: 69870 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 6/15/2012
Subject: Re: ROCK ISLAND Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69871 From: n9guy@juno.com Date: 6/15/2012
Subject: Re: ROCK ISLAND Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69872 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 6/15/2012
Subject: Re: ROCK ISLAND Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69873 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/16/2012
Subject: Saw Mill Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69874 From: sioneli80 Date: 6/16/2012
Subject: Looking to fill a lot of real estate? huge background flat available
Group: S-Trains Message: 69875 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/16/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69876 From: Eric Date: 6/17/2012
Subject: S Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69877 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/17/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69878 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 6/17/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69879 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/17/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69880 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 6/17/2012
Subject: Re: S Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69881 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/17/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69882 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 6/17/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69883 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/17/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69884 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/18/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69885 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/18/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69886 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 6/18/2012
Subject: Re: S Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69887 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/18/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 69888 From: Brady Date: 6/18/2012
Subject: Montblanc Models Bugalow
Group: S-Trains Message: 69889 From: tbennerohio Date: 6/19/2012
Subject: Brass smoke fluid funnels
Group: S-Trains Message: 69890 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 6/19/2012
Subject: Re: Brass smoke fluid funnels
Group: S-Trains Message: 69891 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/19/2012
Subject: Re: SMALL FUNNELS/ BRASS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69892 From: Brady Burdge Date: 6/21/2012
Subject: Clever Models Paper Model Kits
Group: S-Trains Message: 69893 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 6/22/2012
Subject: Photo upload from 2011 NTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69894 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 6/22/2012
Subject: Re-try the address
Group: S-Trains Message: 69895 From: doerryn Date: 6/23/2012
Subject: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69896 From: Herbert Date: 6/23/2012
Subject: Re: Re-try the address
Group: S-Trains Message: 69897 From: Brady Date: 6/23/2012
Subject: Jersey Central (NS) Heritage Unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 69898 From: Frank Date: 6/23/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Group: S-Trains Message: 69899 From: Herbert Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Group: S-Trains Message: 69900 From: Timboy Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Group: S-Trains Message: 69901 From: John Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Group: S-Trains Message: 69902 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Tr..
Group: S-Trains Message: 69903 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Group: S-Trains Message: 69904 From: Brady Burdge Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Group: S-Trains Message: 69905 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Jersey Central (NS) Heritage Unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 69906 From: Ray Puls Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Direction and speed control
Group: S-Trains Message: 69907 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Cincinniti, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 69908 From: Frank Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Direction and speed control
Group: S-Trains Message: 69909 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Group: S-Trains Message: 69910 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Group: S-Trains Message: 69911 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Group: S-Trains Message: 69912 From: Donald Keil Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Group: S-Trains Message: 69913 From: Brady Burdge Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Group: S-Trains Message: 69914 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Group: S-Trains Message: 69915 From: Jeff Faust Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Group: S-Trains Message: 69916 From: Ted Walton Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69917 From: Warner, Ronald Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: trade / SHS Old Dutch Cleanser
Group: S-Trains Message: 69918 From: doerryn Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Group: S-Trains Message: 69919 From: doerryn Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Group: S-Trains Message: 69920 From: David Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
Group: S-Trains Message: 69921 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Group: S-Trains Message: 69922 From: Brady Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: PC & IT Heritage Units (NS)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69923 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
Group: S-Trains Message: 69924 From: Ray Puls Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69925 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
Group: S-Trains Message: 69926 From: jtkeating Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Flyonel 6-5906 Sound Activation Button
Group: S-Trains Message: 69927 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
Group: S-Trains Message: 69928 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69929 From: NEIL Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Blue Comet
Group: S-Trains Message: 69930 From: doerryn Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: getting to Speed and Directional Control of American FLyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 69931 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-5906 Sound Activation Button
Group: S-Trains Message: 69932 From: Brady Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Group: S-Trains Message: 69933 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
Group: S-Trains Message: 69934 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
Group: S-Trains Message: 69935 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-5906 Sound Activation Button
Group: S-Trains Message: 69936 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Re: Blue Comet
Group: S-Trains Message: 69937 From: May Cunningham Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Re: Blue Comet
Group: S-Trains Message: 69938 From: Brady Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Lackawanna Heritage unit (NS)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69939 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Re: THE BLUE COMET
Group: S-Trains Message: 69940 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
Group: S-Trains Message: 69941 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
Group: S-Trains Message: 69942 From: Ray Puls Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Direction and speed control
Group: S-Trains Message: 69943 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 6/28/2012
Subject: Re: THE BLUE COMET
Group: S-Trains Message: 69944 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/29/2012
Subject: Re: THE BLUE COMET
Group: S-Trains Message: 69945 From: sioneli80 Date: 6/29/2012
Subject: Ever wanted to get into the model RR business?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69946 From: David Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: "SIDE DOOR CABOOSE" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69947 From: EDWARD Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: Sunday Evening Chat
Group: S-Trains Message: 69948 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: Installing fencing on the layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 69949 From: May Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: S gauge track
Group: S-Trains Message: 69950 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: Re: S gauge track
Group: S-Trains Message: 69951 From: Brady Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: Re: Installing fencing on the layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 69952 From: Bob Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: "Cloud" Cover
Group: S-Trains Message: 69953 From: David Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: CABOOSE SIDE DOORS KIT Update (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69954 From: Thomas Kaufman Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: Re: Installing fencing on the layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 69955 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: Re: THE BLUE COMET
Group: S-Trains Message: 69956 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: Re: List Format problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 69957 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: MTH DCS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69958 From: detmer@charter.net Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH DCS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69959 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 69960 From: Brady Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69961 From: Tom Detmer Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 69962 From: Brady Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 69963 From: Tom Detmer Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69964 From: Brady Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS
Group: S-Trains Message: 69965 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 69966 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: #772 Water Tower with checkerboard tank
Group: S-Trains Message: 69967 From: Edward Sauers Date: 7/4/2012
Subject: Altoona Model Works **** 4th of July Sale on in stock items!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 69968 From: Leon Bedard Date: 7/5/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 69969 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 7/5/2012
Subject: Re: List Format problem (Work-Around)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69970 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/6/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 69971 From: Tom Detmer Date: 7/6/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 69972 From: Ray Puls Date: 7/6/2012
Subject: MTH DCS v DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 69973 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/6/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 69974 From: tbennerohio Date: 7/6/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 69975 From: Bob Date: 7/6/2012
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Website Back Up & Running!
Group: S-Trains Message: 69976 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/7/2012
Subject: For Sale: Rocket Passenger Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 69977 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/7/2012
Subject: July on "My Flyer Trains"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69978 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/7/2012
Subject: ACE, etc
Group: S-Trains Message: 69979 From: David Date: 7/8/2012
Subject: AF K-5 Multi-Unit Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69980 From: Bill Lane Date: 7/8/2012
Subject: Bobber Caboose for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 69981 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/8/2012
Subject: For sale: Gilbert Flyer buildings
Group: S-Trains Message: 69982 From: EDWARD Date: 7/8/2012
Subject: Chat
Group: S-Trains Message: 69983 From: May Date: 7/9/2012
Subject: American Classic Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 69984 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 7/9/2012
Subject: Re: American Classic Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 69985 From: Roy Inman Date: 7/9/2012
Subject: Re: American Classic Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 69986 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 7/9/2012
Subject: Re: American Classic Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 69987 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 7/9/2012
Subject: Link questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 69988 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/9/2012
Subject: Re: Link questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 69989 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 7/9/2012
Subject: Re: CLASSIC TRACK
Group: S-Trains Message: 69990 From: acgilbertguy Date: 7/12/2012
Subject: No Posts?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69991 From: Jimbo Date: 7/12/2012
Subject: completely confused
Group: S-Trains Message: 69992 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Group: S-Trains Message: 69993 From: Alan Lambert Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: No Posts?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69994 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Group: S-Trains Message: 69995 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Group: S-Trains Message: 69996 From: David Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: AF #935/979 Caboose Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69997 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Group: S-Trains Message: 69998 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Group: S-Trains Message: 69999 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Group: S-Trains Message: 70000 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Group: S-Trains Message: 70001 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Group: S-Trains Message: 70002 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: AF #935/979 Caboose Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70003 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Group: S-Trains Message: 70004 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Group: S-Trains Message: 70005 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 7/14/2012
Subject: Re: AF #935/979 Caboose Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70006 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/14/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Group: S-Trains Message: 70007 From: David Date: 7/14/2012
Subject: #914 & #714 AF Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70008 From: Jim Date: 7/14/2012
Subject: Log Diameter
Group: S-Trains Message: 70009 From: rapidrail1 Date: 7/14/2012
Subject: Scenery Unlimited Circus Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 70010 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/14/2012
Subject: Model Power Signal
Group: S-Trains Message: 70011 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Re: Log Diameter
Group: S-Trains Message: 70012 From: Dale Smith Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Interesting Flyer display item
Group: S-Trains Message: 70013 From: Lynn Ray Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Group: S-Trains Message: 70014 From: R G Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Re: Interesting Flyer display item
Group: S-Trains Message: 70015 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Re: Model Power Signal
Group: S-Trains Message: 70016 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Re: Scenery Unlimited Circus Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 70017 From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Re: Interesting Flyer display item
Group: S-Trains Message: 70018 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Re: Log Diameter
Group: S-Trains Message: 70019 From: EDWARD Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Sunday Evening Chat
Group: S-Trains Message: 70020 From: Brady Date: 7/16/2012
Subject: Relay for Semaphores
Group: S-Trains Message: 70021 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/16/2012
Subject: Re: Model Power Signal
Group: S-Trains Message: 70022 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: Relay for Semaphores
Group: S-Trains Message: 70023 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: Model Power Signal
Group: S-Trains Message: 70024 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Signals
Group: S-Trains Message: 70025 From: David Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: #1852 Side Door Caboose Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 70026 From: Brady Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: Model Power Signal
Group: S-Trains Message: 70027 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Sprung Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 70028 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: Model Power Signal
Group: S-Trains Message: 70029 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: Sprung Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 70030 From: Lon Walker Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: Sprung Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 70031 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: Sprung Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 70032 From: Roy Inman Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: Model Power Signal
Group: S-Trains Message: 70033 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Stumpy does a restoration?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70034 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: #1852 Side Door Caboose Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 70035 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: Re: #1852 Side Door Caboose Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 70036 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: RE
Group: S-Trains Message: 70037 From: David Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: #1852 Side Door Caboose Project, Up Date
Group: S-Trains Message: 70038 From: Tom Hawley Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: Re: #1852 Side Door Caboose Project, Up Date
Group: S-Trains Message: 70039 From: David Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: Caboose Side Door Kit Now Avaliable (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70040 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: The Gilbert Gallery has moved!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70041 From: Bob Date: 7/19/2012
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 70042 From: Richard Reichard Date: 7/19/2012
Subject: Rail Bending - O27, O31, Super-O, Standard, AF-S, G(code332) & T-Rai
Group: S-Trains Message: 70043 From: David Date: 7/19/2012
Subject: #1852 Side Door Caboose Project - Finished Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 70044 From: davidavedesian Date: 7/19/2012
Subject: Weighting of Wooden Box/Refer Car Kits and What glue to use for the
Group: S-Trains Message: 70045 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 7/19/2012
Subject: Re: Weighting of Wooden Box/Refer Car Kits and What glue to use for
Group: S-Trains Message: 70046 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/19/2012
Subject: Check out Bitter Creek Western Live Steam Narrow Gauge Meet 2007 - Y
Group: S-Trains Message: 70047 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/19/2012
Subject: Re: Weighting of Wooden Box/Refer Car Kits and What glue to use for
Group: S-Trains Message: 70048 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/21/2012
Subject: For Sale: Anybody need Gilbert Flyer switches?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70049 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 7/21/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale: Anybody need Gilbert Flyer switches?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70050 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 7/21/2012
Subject: A wonderful visit to Bob Hogan's Layout and Madison, GA - A Conve
Group: S-Trains Message: 70051 From: Rick Evans Date: 7/21/2012
Subject: SHS
Group: S-Trains Message: 70052 From: acgilbertguy Date: 7/22/2012
Subject: Reversing Switch for 742 Hand Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 70053 From: Don Thompson Date: 7/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS
Group: S-Trains Message: 70054 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/23/2012
Subject: Northern project completed...for now
Group: S-Trains Message: 70055 From: workinalure Date: 7/23/2012
Subject: Re: SHS
Group: S-Trains Message: 70056 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/24/2012
Subject: Vintage Railroading
Group: S-Trains Message: 70057 From: johntech Date: 7/25/2012
Subject: Rotary Coal Dumper
Group: S-Trains Message: 70058 From: Roy Date: 7/27/2012
Subject: Big time Ops with AMerican Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 70059 From: John Date: 7/27/2012
Subject: Reverse loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 70060 From: Jens Kinn Date: 7/28/2012
Subject: email account was hacked - i am sorry
Group: S-Trains Message: 70061 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/28/2012
Subject: Anormal1
Group: S-Trains Message: 70062 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/28/2012
Subject: Re: Reverse loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 70063 From: David Date: 7/28/2012
Subject: #1870 Drovers Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 70065 From: Brady Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: MTH's Impact on S
Group: S-Trains Message: 70066 From: John Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Reverse Loop Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 70067 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: New Clever Models Kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 70068 From: Alan Smith Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 70069 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: MTH's Impact on S
Group: S-Trains Message: 70070 From: D. Winslow Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 70071 From: Lon Walker Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: Was Reverse Loop Update now RailZip
Group: S-Trains Message: 70072 From: Jeff Faust Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 70073 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: MTH's impact on S
Group: S-Trains Message: 70074 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 70075 From: Alan Lambert Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: MTH's impact on S
Group: S-Trains Message: 70076 From: Alan Lambert Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 70077 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: REVERSE LOOP
Group: S-Trains Message: 70078 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 70079 From: George Cohn Date: 8/1/2012
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 70080 From: alsflyer Date: 8/1/2012
Subject: MALWARE ALERT
Group: S-Trains Message: 70081 From: Alan Smith Date: 8/1/2012
Subject: Re: REVERSE LOOP
Group: S-Trains Message: 70082 From: Alan Bennett Date: 8/2/2012
Subject: Carl Tuveson CTT Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 70083 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/2/2012
Subject: Chattanooga Sales
Group: S-Trains Message: 70084 From: JeryJones3@aol.com Date: 8/2/2012
Subject: Re: Chattanooga Sales
Group: S-Trains Message: 70085 From: Bob Moyer Date: 8/2/2012
Subject: Anybody Got A ------------
Group: S-Trains Message: 70086 From: aztecfan Date: 8/2/2012
Subject: Sounds compatibility ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70087 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/3/2012
Subject: Fwd: [ChattanoogaRails] 43rd. ATLANTA, GEORGIA TRAIN SHOW, August 11
Group: S-Trains Message: 70088 From: afburl Date: 8/3/2012
Subject: Re: SCULLIN DISC DRIVER INSTALLATION (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70089 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/3/2012
Subject: Back to Bashing on My Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 70090 From: Martha7961 Date: 8/3/2012
Subject: MTH Gabe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70091 From: Frank Date: 8/4/2012
Subject: How is this for an RS 3 ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70092 From: Gale Hall Date: 8/4/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70093 From: EDWARD Date: 8/4/2012
Subject: Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains Message: 70094 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 8/4/2012
Subject: Magnetic uncouplers...
Group: S-Trains Message: 70095 From: frank emiro Date: 8/4/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70096 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/4/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70097 From: frank emiro Date: 8/4/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70098 From: Frank Date: 8/4/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70099 From: May Cunningham Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: S gauge curve turnout
Group: S-Trains Message: 70100 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70101 From: Randy Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70102 From: David Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: #24219 WM Hopper Decal Set+ Avaliable Now (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70103 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70104 From: frank emiro Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70105 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: It's a BEEP!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70106 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains Message: 70107 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: It's a BEEP!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70108 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: It's a BEEP!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70109 From: Gale Hall Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: It's a BEEP!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70110 From: Don Thompson Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: It's a BEEP!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70111 From: Mike Leahy Date: 8/6/2012
Subject: Cardboard Circus Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 70112 From: Al Baker Date: 8/6/2012
Subject: American Models and S-Helper Service history??
Group: S-Trains Message: 70113 From: rj4010d Date: 8/6/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70114 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 8/6/2012
Subject: Re: American Models and S-Helper Service history??
Group: S-Trains Message: 70115 From: Brady Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70116 From: Bradley G Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: plastic streamliner from american flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 70117 From: Roy Inman Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70118 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: MTH Repair - My Experience
Group: S-Trains Message: 70119 From: MARK MCFREDERICK Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70120 From: Alan Lambert Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Repair - My Experience
Group: S-Trains Message: 70121 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: plastic streamliner from american flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 70122 From: Tom Hawley Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Locomotives
Group: S-Trains Message: 70123 From: Brady Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70124 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70125 From: Alan Lambert Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70126 From: johntech Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70127 From: David Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: AF 0-8-0 & 0-6-0 Rims Are Here ;o) (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70128 From: Tom Detmer Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70129 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70130 From: rapidrail1 Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Locomotives
Group: S-Trains Message: 70131 From: Bill Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Tinplate rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 70132 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70133 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: MTH: My experience
Group: S-Trains Message: 70134 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Locomotives
Group: S-Trains Message: 70135 From: James Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Locomotives
Group: S-Trains Message: 70136 From: Bradley Golden Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: plastic streamliner from american flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 70137 From: Don Thompson Date: 8/8/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70138 From: Timboy Date: 8/8/2012
Subject: Re: Tinplate rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 70139 From: JOHN Date: 8/8/2012
Subject: MTH
Group: S-Trains Message: 70140 From: Tom Detmer Date: 8/8/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70141 From: Timboy Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: The Lionel-Flyer Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 70142 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: renaming?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70143 From: Bill Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 70144 From: Ray Puls Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: MTH
Group: S-Trains Message: 70145 From: Bill Porter Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Re: The Lionel-Flyer Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 70146 From: MARK MCFREDERICK Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Re: The Lionel-Flyer Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 70147 From: Timboy Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Re: The Lionel-Flyer Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 70148 From: mel perry Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Re: The Lionel-Flyer Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 70149 From: Timboy Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Re: The Lionel-Flyer Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 70150 From: Bill Porter Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Re: renaming?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70151 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Renaming and grumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 70152 From: Robert Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: MTH bashing
Group: S-Trains Message: 70153 From: Alan Lambert Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Re: MTH bashing
Group: S-Trains Message: 70154 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: The LCCA and Lionel S Scale - YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 70155 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Re: MTH bashing
Group: S-Trains Message: 70156 From: Alan Lambert Date: 8/10/2012
Subject: Re: MTH bashing
Group: S-Trains Message: 70157 From: Robert Conner Date: 8/10/2012
Subject: Re: MTH bashing
Group: S-Trains Message: 70158 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 8/10/2012
Subject: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70159 From: Al Baker Date: 8/10/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70160 From: Timboy Date: 8/10/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70161 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/10/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70162 From: Mark Mugnai Date: 8/10/2012
Subject: 2 Wire Tender "Plug" for #21160, etc.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 70163 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 8/10/2012
Subject: Re: 2 Wire Tender "Plug" for #21160, etc.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 70164 From: JOHN Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Is SHS-Flyer Forum Necessary
Group: S-Trains Message: 70165 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70166 From: Mark Mugnai Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: 2 Wire Tender "Plug" for #21160, etc.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 70167 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: 2 Wire Tender "Plug" for #21160, etc.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 70168 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70169 From: Robert Lampe Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: Is SHS-Flyer Forum Necessary
Group: S-Trains Message: 70170 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: MTH bashing
Group: S-Trains Message: 70171 From: Frank Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: Is SHS-Flyer Forum Necessary
Group: S-Trains Message: 70172 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: Is SHS-Flyer Forum Necessary
Group: S-Trains Message: 70173 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: 2 Wire Tender "Plug" for #21160, etc.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 70174 From: Mark Mugnai Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: 2 Wire Tender "Plug" for #21160, etc.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 70175 From: George Cohn Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: Is SHS-Flyer Forum Necessary
Group: S-Trains Message: 70176 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: Is SHS-Flyer Forum Necessary
Group: S-Trains Message: 70177 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70178 From: dwally74 Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Smoke Output AF Engine 21115
Group: S-Trains Message: 70179 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: 2 Wire Tender "Plug" for #21160, etc.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 70180 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: MTH--not a bash
Group: S-Trains Message: 70181 From: Brady Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70182 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke Output AF Engine 21115
Group: S-Trains Message: 70183 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke output 21115 engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 70184 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: NS Heritage Power - TRAINS Magazine Special Issue
Group: S-Trains Message: 70185 From: Bill Porter Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70186 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: is SHS-Lionel-Flyer forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70187 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: is SHS-Lionel-Flyer forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70188 From: Roy Inman Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
Group: S-Trains Message: 70189 From: johntech Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
Group: S-Trains Message: 70190 From: Roy Inman Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
Group: S-Trains Message: 70191 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
Group: S-Trains Message: 70192 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
Group: S-Trains Message: 70193 From: Herbert Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
Group: S-Trains Message: 70194 From: Lamont Heppe Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70195 From: John Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--patience
Group: S-Trains Message: 70196 From: ekaplan707 Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: New Lionel Erie Add-on Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70197 From: Brady Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--patience
Group: S-Trains Message: 70198 From: Brady Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70199 From: john Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke output 21115 engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 70200 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 70201 From: Roy Inman Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--patience
Group: S-Trains Message: 70202 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Lionel Erie Add-on Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70203 From: Brady Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: NASG Convention Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 70204 From: R G Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Lionel Erie Add-on Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70205 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70206 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Smoke output 21115 engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 70207 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke output 21115 engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 70208 From: Timboy Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70209 From: Lamont Heppe Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70210 From: Timboy Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70211 From: frank emiro Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: NASG Convention Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 70212 From: Bill Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Gargraves track
Group: S-Trains Message: 70213 From: Roy Inman Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: NASG Convention Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 70214 From: polichar Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke output 21115 engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 70215 From: John Degnan Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: FOR SALE : THREE SSA Hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 70216 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70217 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke output 21115 engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 70218 From: Jim Eberhardy Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70219 From: JOHN Date: 8/14/2012
Subject: Moderated Forum??????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70220 From: rapidrail1 Date: 8/14/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70221 From: Alan Lambert Date: 8/14/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70222 From: Bob Chaparro Date: 8/14/2012
Subject: S Scale Layout On So. Calif. Layout Tour (Sept. 9)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70223 From: Bob Moyer Date: 8/14/2012
Subject: Thanks and thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 70224 From: Rich Date: 8/14/2012
Subject: S Gauge in Dayton?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70225 From: EDWARD Date: 8/15/2012
Subject: Detailed Structures
Group: S-Trains Message: 70226 From: Timboy Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Display Layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 70227 From: R G Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Re: Display Layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 70228 From: Brady Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Re: Display Layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 70229 From: Timboy Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Re: Display Layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 70230 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Re: Display Layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 70231 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Re: Display Layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 70232 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Re: Display Layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 70233 From: Monte Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Chattanooga convention cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70234 From: Donald Keil Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Re: Display Layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 70235 From: Bob Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Advertisement: New Products Available From RLN Publishing
Group: S-Trains Message: 70236 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Re: Chattanooga convention cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70237 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 8/17/2012
Subject: Re: Chattanooga convention cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70238 From: David Date: 8/17/2012
Subject: KC Conversion Fitting For Pike Master Trucks (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70239 From: John Davis Date: 8/17/2012
Subject: Fw: Display Layouts/ Reply to Tim
Group: S-Trains Message: 70240 From: Mellon, Jay Date: 8/17/2012
Subject: 2012 NASG Convention Report
Group: S-Trains Message: 70241 From: Timboy Date: 8/17/2012
Subject: Re: Fw: Display Layouts/ Reply to Tim
Group: S-Trains Message: 70242 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/17/2012
Subject: Re: Fw: Display Layouts/ Reply to Tim
Group: S-Trains Message: 70243 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 8/17/2012
Subject: Many Updates to the NASG Web Site
Group: S-Trains Message: 70244 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 8/17/2012
Subject: Re: Chattanooga convention cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70245 From: Don Thompson Date: 8/18/2012
Subject: Re: Central Jersey S Scaler's 31st Fall Get Together
Group: S-Trains Message: 70246 From: wb4hay Date: 8/18/2012
Subject: Chain Link Fence
Group: S-Trains Message: 70247 From: Jerry Date: 8/18/2012
Subject: Re: Chain Link Fence
Group: S-Trains Message: 70248 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 8/18/2012
Subject: Re: Chain Link Fence
Group: S-Trains Message: 70249 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 8/18/2012
Subject: Links to Fencing Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 70250 From: aztecfan Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: A way to promote S gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 70251 From: Mark Mugnai Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Re: Many Updates to the NASG Web Site
Group: S-Trains Message: 70252 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
Group: S-Trains Message: 70253 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Re: plastic streamliner from american flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 70254 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Re: MTH
Group: S-Trains Message: 70255 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke output 21115 engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 70256 From: May Cunningham Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Re: Gargraves track
Group: S-Trains Message: 70257 From: Alan Lambert Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
Group: S-Trains Message: 70258 From: johntech Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Rotary Dumper updates
Group: S-Trains Message: 70259 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Lionel Flyer Erie Add-On Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70260 From: wb4hay Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Thanks and tulle
Group: S-Trains Message: 70261 From: Don Thompson Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Re: Update on SHS weathered rail....
Group: S-Trains Message: 70262 From: rapidrail1 Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Re: A way to promote S gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 70263 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Atlas in "S"?????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70264 From: John Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
Group: S-Trains Message: 70265 From: Robert Lampe Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Re: Atlas in "S"?????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70266 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: 2013 The Year of S Scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70267 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Re: 2013 The Year of S Scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70268 From: May Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: 90 degree crossing
Group: S-Trains Message: 70269 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Digital CTT
Group: S-Trains Message: 70270 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Fwd: {S-Scale List} Introduction and S-Scaler invite to our Florida
Group: S-Trains Message: 70271 From: Ben Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 70272 From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: Atlas in
Group: S-Trains Message: 70273 From: Steven Allen Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 70274 From: Robert Lampe Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: Atlas in
Group: S-Trains Message: 70275 From: Don Thompson Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: Update on SHS weathered rail....
Group: S-Trains Message: 70276 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: The Gilbert Gallery "For Sale" page is back!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70277 From: Al Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 70278 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: We are going back to running AC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70279 From: wb4hay Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: Links to Fencing Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 70280 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70281 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70282 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70283 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70284 From: Alan Lambert Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70285 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70286 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Why all the AC-DC fuss?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70287 From: Brady Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Back to Model Railroading?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70288 From: Alan Lambert Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: Why all the AC-DC fuss?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70289 From: Robert Conner Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: Why all the AC-DC fuss?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70290 From: D. Winslow Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70291 From: Robert Lampe Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: Why all the AC-DC fuss?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70292 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70293 From: lionely6b Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70294 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70295 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/23/2012
Subject: Re: Why all the AC-DC fuss?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70296 From: JOHN Date: 8/23/2012
Subject: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 70297 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/23/2012
Subject: More thoughts on AC vs. DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70298 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/23/2012
Subject: Re: More thoughts on AC vs. DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70299 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 8/23/2012
Subject: Re: More thoughts on AC vs. DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70300 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 8/23/2012
Subject: Re: More thoughts on AC vs. DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70301 From: Steven Allen Date: 8/23/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 70302 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/23/2012
Subject: AC/DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70303 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: AC/DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70304 From: s-scale@hcprobst.com Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: [FWD: RE: [S-Trains] More thoughts on AC vs. DC]
Group: S-Trains Message: 70305 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 70306 From: john Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: More thoughts on AC vs. DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70307 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 70308 From: Brady Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 70309 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70310 From: Richard Falzini Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70311 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Flyer Motors VS Can motors: was AC?DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70312 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: was Polar Express Colors - now DCC vs Legacy/TMCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70313 From: altwwer@sbcglobal.net Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Motors VS Can motors: was AC?DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70314 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70315 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70316 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: AC/DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70317 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Need to light 9 AM big passenger cars.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70318 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/25/2012
Subject: Re: Need to light 9 AM big passenger cars.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70319 From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen Date: 8/25/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70320 From: Rich Falzini Date: 8/25/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70321 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 8/25/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70322 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 8/25/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70323 From: tbennerohio Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70324 From: EDWARD Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Sunday Night Chat
Group: S-Trains Message: 70325 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70326 From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70327 From: wb4hay Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: uninterrupted challenger
Group: S-Trains Message: 70328 From: tbennerohio Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70329 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70330 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Railpro
Group: S-Trains Message: 70331 From: Robert Lampe Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70332 From: Robert Lampe Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70333 From: tbennerohio Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70334 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70335 From: EDWARD Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: From the S Scale list
Group: S-Trains Message: 70336 From: s-scale@hcprobst.com Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Re: From the S Scale list
Group: S-Trains Message: 70337 From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70338 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Car vs. Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 70339 From: Alan Bennett Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Re: Car vs. Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 70340 From: Al Baker Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Lionel / AF Pacific question
Group: S-Trains Message: 70341 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Re: Car vs. Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 70342 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel / AF Pacific question
Group: S-Trains Message: 70343 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Re: Car vs. Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 70344 From: tbennerohio Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70345 From: Robert Lampe Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70346 From: Mark Mugnai Date: 8/28/2012
Subject: Re: Back to Bashing on My Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 70347 From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen Date: 8/28/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70348 From: wb4hay Date: 8/28/2012
Subject: ACL caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 70349 From: johntech Date: 8/28/2012
Subject: Rotary Dumper update
Group: S-Trains Message: 70350 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/28/2012
Subject: Re: Rotary Dumper update
Group: S-Trains Message: 70351 From: johntech Date: 8/29/2012
Subject: Youtube video
Group: S-Trains Message: 70352 From: Jerry Date: 8/29/2012
Subject: Re: Youtube video
Group: S-Trains Message: 70353 From: Tom Hawley Date: 8/29/2012
Subject: Rotary Dumper
Group: S-Trains Message: 70354 From: johntech Date: 8/29/2012
Subject: Re: Youtube video
Group: S-Trains Message: 70355 From: jtkeating Date: 8/29/2012
Subject: Flyonel Big Boy Smoke Output
Group: S-Trains Message: 70356 From: Roy Meissner Date: 8/30/2012
Subject: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 70357 From: johntech Date: 8/30/2012
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 70358 From: Jim Date: 8/30/2012
Subject: Train TV Spots
Group: S-Trains Message: 70359 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/30/2012
Subject: Fwd: {S-Scale List} One-Day Meet in Orlando, FL
Group: S-Trains Message: 70360 From: Doug S Date: 8/30/2012
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 70361 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/31/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70362 From: Tim Benner Date: 8/31/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70363 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/31/2012
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 9/15/2012, 12:00 am
Group: S-Trains Message: 70364 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/31/2012
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 9/15/2012, 12:00 am
Group: S-Trains Message: 70365 From: Rich Date: 8/31/2012
Subject: diesel roar vs horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70366 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/31/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70367 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/1/2012
Subject: Re: diesel roar vs horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70368 From: DonR Date: 9/1/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Fest West, 9/15/2012, 12:00 am
Group: S-Trains Message: 70369 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 9/1/2012
Subject: Re: AF #935/979 Caboose Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70370 From: rdgroup427@yahoo.com Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: Texas storage wars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70371 From: DonR Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: Flyer Fest West 2012 CP< Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 70372 From: Bob Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: New American Flyer Product
Group: S-Trains Message: 70373 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: Re: Texas storage wars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70374 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: Re: Texas storage wars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70375 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: Re: Texas storage wars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70376 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: Re: Texas storage wars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70377 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: Re: Texas storage wars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70378 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: Re: Texas storage wars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70379 From: johntech Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: A Train layint it's own tracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 70380 From: mike gardner Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Flyer knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 70381 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Flyer knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 70382 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: A Train Laying it's own tracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 70383 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Want to Buy/Trade - AFL Non-Powered Chassis
Group: S-Trains Message: 70384 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: A Train laying it's own tracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 70385 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: A Train Laying it's own tracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 70386 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 70387 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: A Train Laying it's own tracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 70388 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: A Train Laying it's own tracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 70389 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Train laying it's own track
Group: S-Trains Message: 70390 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: "Project Atlantic" begins!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70391 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: Train laying it's own track
Group: S-Trains Message: 70392 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" begins!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70393 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: Train laying it's own track
Group: S-Trains Message: 70394 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: Train laying it's own track
Group: S-Trains Message: 70395 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Subject: [S-Trains] "Project Atlantic" begins!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70396 From: David Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: AF 0-4-0 E&T Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 70397 From: George Cohn Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 70398 From: kerhart@frontier.com Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: AF 0-4-0 E&T Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 70399 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Comparing DCC systems - Sept MRH
Group: S-Trains Message: 70400 From: Bob Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Announcement: 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine Summer, 2012 Issue Publis
Group: S-Trains Message: 70401 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: AF 0-4-0 E&T Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 70402 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Lubricating and drying penetrants
Group: S-Trains Message: 70403 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: Comparing DCC systems ????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70404 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lubricating and drying penetrants
Group: S-Trains Message: 70405 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: Comparing DCC systems ????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70406 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: Comparing DCC systems ????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70407 From: Dave Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: AF 0-4-0 E&T Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 70408 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: Comparing DCC systems ????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70409 From: D.F. Smith Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: AF 0-4-0 E&T Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 70410 From: john Date: 9/5/2012
Subject: Re: Lubricating and drying penetrants
Group: S-Trains Message: 70411 From: john Date: 9/5/2012
Subject: Re: Comparing DCC systems ????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70412 From: s_trains Date: 9/5/2012
Subject: URL (and web site if you want it) available
Group: S-Trains Message: 70413 From: George Cohn Date: 9/5/2012
Subject: Re: Lubricating and drying penetrants
Group: S-Trains Message: 70414 From: Brady Date: 9/5/2012
Subject: Re: AF 0-4-0 E&T Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 70415 From: Al Date: 9/5/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer knuckle couplers and rust remover
Group: S-Trains Message: 70416 From: jvmandell Date: 9/5/2012
Subject: TRAIN SHOW ORANGE CT OCTOBER 7, 2012
Group: S-Trains Message: 70417 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Re: Comparing DCC systems ????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70418 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Rubber Tires
Group: S-Trains Message: 70419 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Re: Rubber Tires
Group: S-Trains Message: 70420 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Comparing DCC systems ????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70421 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Re: Rubber Tires
Group: S-Trains Message: 70422 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Re: Rubber Tires
Group: S-Trains Message: 70423 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Re: Lubricating and drying penetrants
Group: S-Trains Message: 70424 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Added content
Group: S-Trains Message: 70425 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Tablets
Group: S-Trains Message: 70426 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Re: Rubber tires - L-AF Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 70427 From: workinalure Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Re: URL (and web site if you want it) available
Group: S-Trains Message: 70428 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Fwd: Too good to be true, wuz Re: {S-Scale List} New stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 70429 From: doerryn Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trains, Version 2.0
Group: S-Trains Message: 70430 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 9/15/2012, 12:00 am
Group: S-Trains Message: 70431 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 9/15/2012, 12:00 am
Group: S-Trains Message: 70432 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains Message: 70433 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Re: Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trains, Version
Group: S-Trains Message: 70434 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains Message: 70435 From: Al Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer knuckle couplers and rust remover
Group: S-Trains Message: 70436 From: alsflyer Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Union Pacific RR celebrating 150 years in Ogden, Utah
Group: S-Trains Message: 70437 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Speed and direction control of American Flyer trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 70438 From: John Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains Message: 70439 From: rapidrail1 Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains Message: 70440 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: NASG Web Site: Important Change
Group: S-Trains Message: 70441 From: Peter Junger Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains Message: 70442 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains Message: 70443 From: Louis Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Lubricating and drying penetrants
Group: S-Trains Message: 70444 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains Message: 70445 From: Bob Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Electronic Coupler Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 70446 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains Message: 70447 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Electronic Coupler Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 70448 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains Message: 70449 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: The Bumpus House
Group: S-Trains Message: 70450 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains Message: 70451 From: John Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains Message: 70452 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains Message: 70453 From: rapidrail1 Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains Message: 70454 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Electronic Coupler Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 70455 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Electronic Coupler Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 70456 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Electronic Coupler Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 70457 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Electronic Coupler Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 70458 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Electronic Coupler Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 70459 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains Message: 70460 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Why no Freight Locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70461 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Re: Why no Freight Locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70462 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Re: Why no Freight Locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70463 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Re: Why no Freight Locomotives?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70464 From: NEIL Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: GG-1
Group: S-Trains Message: 70465 From: Alan Evans Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1
Group: S-Trains Message: 70466 From: David Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Pike Master Coupler To Knuckle Conversion Fitting (advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70467 From: bobnalbone04 Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Announcement: 1:64 Modeling Guide Website Updated
Group: S-Trains Message: 70468 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 9/11/2012
Subject: Gilbert #23796 sawmill for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70469 From: aztecfan Date: 9/11/2012
Subject: SCULLIN DISC WHEELS Circa 1938.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70470 From: Warner, Ronald Date: 9/11/2012
Subject: need Wabash decals, if possible
Group: S-Trains Message: 70471 From: Roy Inman Date: 9/11/2012
Subject: Re: need Wabash decals, if possible
Group: S-Trains Message: 70472 From: Thorin Marty Date: 9/12/2012
Subject: DCC decoder and S-n-S steam locomotive conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 70473 From: Thorin Date: 9/12/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1
Group: S-Trains Message: 70474 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/12/2012
Subject: Re: DCC decoder and S-n-S steam locomotive conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 70475 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/12/2012
Subject: Re: DCC decoder and S-n-S steam locomotive conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 70476 From: Thorin Date: 9/12/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1
Group: S-Trains Message: 70477 From: Robert Graves Date: 9/12/2012
Subject: For Sale: #764 Express Office that needs restoration
Group: S-Trains Message: 70478 From: mike gardner Date: 9/12/2012
Subject: Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 70479 From: john Date: 9/13/2012
Subject: Re: DCC decoder and S-n-S steam locomotive conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 70480 From: Thorin Marty Date: 9/13/2012
Subject: Cars derails on SHS left switch when going left.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70481 From: reujan2000 Date: 9/14/2012
Subject: Converted PM Trucks Available (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70482 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 9/14/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1
Group: S-Trains Message: 70483 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 9/14/2012
Subject: Re: Cars derails on SHS left switch when going left.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70484 From: rapidrail1 Date: 9/14/2012
Subject: Lionel Southern Crescent Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 70485 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/14/2012
Subject: Re: Cars derail on SHS switch
Group: S-Trains Message: 70486 From: afjeff_56 Date: 9/15/2012
Subject: Flyer Fest West 2012!!! in Elk Grove Today
Group: S-Trains Message: 70487 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/16/2012
Subject: November CTT
Group: S-Trains Message: 70488 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/16/2012
Subject: NEWS Flash - Gator Loose on the Layout!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70489 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/16/2012
Subject: Re: NEWS Flash - Gator Loose on the Layout!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70490 From: john Date: 9/17/2012
Subject: Re: NEWS Flash - Gator Loose on the Layout!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70491 From: Robert E. Wilson Date: 9/17/2012
Subject: Log Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 70492 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 9/17/2012
Subject: Re: November CTT
Group: S-Trains Message: 70493 From: jtkeating Date: 9/17/2012
Subject: Lionel Legacy System & Big Boy Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 70494 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/17/2012
Subject: Re: November CTT
Group: S-Trains Message: 70495 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Legacy System & Big Boy Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 70496 From: Jerry Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: SD70ACe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70497 From: Tom Hawley Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Re: SD70ACe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70498 From: johntech Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Re: SD70ACe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70499 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Re: November CTT and a price correction
Group: S-Trains Message: 70500 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/19/2012
Subject: Re: SD70ACe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70501 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/19/2012
Subject: Re: SD70ACe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70502 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 9/19/2012
Subject: Re: November CTT and a price correction
Group: S-Trains Message: 70503 From: Jerry Date: 9/19/2012
Subject: Re: SD70ACe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70504 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/19/2012
Subject: TrainLife - NKP Geeps Earned Their Stripes
Group: S-Trains Message: 70505 From: Steven Allen Date: 9/20/2012
Subject: Re: TrainLife - NKP Geeps Earned Their Stripes
Group: S-Trains Message: 70506 From: Steven Allen Date: 9/20/2012
Subject: Re: SD70ACe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70507 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/20/2012
Subject: Re: SD70ACe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70508 From: Tom Hawley Date: 9/20/2012
Subject: Re: SD70ACe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70509 From: jtkeating Date: 9/21/2012
Subject: New Locomotives for AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 70510 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/21/2012
Subject: Re: New Locomotives for AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 70511 From: sscale@bestweb.net Date: 9/21/2012
Subject: Re: New Locomotives for AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 70512 From: Timboy Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70513 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Can I burn Homosote in my fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70514 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70515 From: Eric Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: SHS cars and Engines for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70516 From: Timboy Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70517 From: Leon Bedard Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: SHS cars and Engines for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70518 From: grchud Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Test
Group: S-Trains Message: 70519 From: Bob Chaparro Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Kern County (CA) S Scale Layouts Needed For Tour
Group: S-Trains Message: 70520 From: reefma_99 Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70521 From: Tom Hawley Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70522 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70523 From: scubadoo2 Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70524 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70525 From: scubadoo2 Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70526 From: Bill Porter Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70527 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70528 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70529 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Homosote, Celotex, etc
Group: S-Trains Message: 70530 From: rapidrail1 Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70531 From: rapidrail1 Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70532 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70533 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70534 From: George Cohn Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70535 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Open House
Group: S-Trains Message: 70536 From: Timboy Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70537 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70538 From: Robert Graves Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: For sale: Gilbert 612 Freight and Passenger Station with Crane
Group: S-Trains Message: 70539 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70540 From: Bill Porter Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70541 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70542 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70543 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: November Model Railroader
Group: S-Trains Message: 70544 From: salgal17329 Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: open house, toy trains unlimited, hanover pa....oct. 17
Group: S-Trains Message: 70545 From: Bill Date: 9/27/2012
Subject: radiator fan replacements for the American Models SD70MAC
Group: S-Trains Message: 70546 From: willisbd Date: 9/27/2012
Subject: I may have been hacked
Group: S-Trains Message: 70547 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/27/2012
Subject: Re: I may have been hacked
Group: S-Trains Message: 70548 From: Randall Date: 9/27/2012
Subject: How is the American Flyer #13 Circuit Breaker wired?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70549 From: rhicks308 Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: Re: How is the American Flyer #13 Circuit Breaker wired?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70550 From: Brady Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: New articles posted on Trainlife
Group: S-Trains Message: 70551 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: Re: How is the American Flyer #13 Circuit Breaker wired?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70552 From: rhicks308 Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: Re: How is the American Flyer #13 Circuit Breaker wired?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70553 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: Re: How is the American Flyer #13 Circuit Breaker wired?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70554 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: Re: How is the American Flyer #13 Circuit Breaker wired?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70555 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: Re: How is the American Flyer #13 Circuit Breaker wired?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70556 From: Robert E. Wilson Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: AF 971 Lumber Unloading Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 70557 From: s_trains Date: 9/29/2012
Subject: Tom Barker's repair and restoration manual (new version available)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70558 From: Robert Graves Date: 9/29/2012
Subject: Re: AF 971 Lumber Unloading Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 70559 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Show Dates ???
Group: S-Trains Message: 70560 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Re: Tom Barker's repair and restoration manual (new version availabl
Group: S-Trains Message: 70561 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Re: Tom Barker's repair and restoration manual (new version av...
Group: S-Trains Message: 70562 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Re: Tom Barker's repair and restoration manual (new version availabl
Group: S-Trains Message: 70563 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Re: Tom Barker's repair and restoration manual (new version availabl
Group: S-Trains Message: 70564 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Re: Tom Barker's repair and restoration manual (new version av...
Group: S-Trains Message: 70565 From: Thomas Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Re: Tom Barker's repair and restoration manual (new version availabl
Group: S-Trains Message: 70566 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 10/1/2012
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70567 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/1/2012
Subject: RCTHS Train Meet
Group: S-Trains Message: 70568 From: Bob Date: 10/1/2012
Subject: New American Flyer Product
Group: S-Trains Message: 70569 From: Lon Walker Date: 10/1/2012
Subject: Re: New American Flyer Product
Group: S-Trains Message: 70570 From: tdoct@aol.com Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: New American Flyer Product
Group: S-Trains Message: 70571 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: New American Flyer Product
Group: S-Trains Message: 70572 From: Ben Date: 10/3/2012
Subject: Early "AF" circus wagons repros available now!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70573 From: Scott Date: 10/3/2012
Subject: Re: Early "AF" circus wagons repros available now!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70574 From: rapidrail1 Date: 10/4/2012
Subject: Re: Early "AF" circus wagons repros available now!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70575 From: joesan2c Date: 10/4/2012
Subject: Billboard whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 70576 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/4/2012
Subject: Re: Billboard whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 70577 From: Jaytewilli Date: 10/4/2012
Subject: Re: Billboard whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 70578 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/4/2012
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert 326 Hudson
Group: S-Trains Message: 70579 From: Ben Date: 10/4/2012
Subject: Re: Early "AF" circus wagons repros available now!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70580 From: Scott Freeman Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: Early "AF" circus wagons repros available now!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70581 From: Charles Hancock Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: 302 Boiler Front
Group: S-Trains Message: 70582 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert 4730A freight set with 342AC 0-8-0 Switcher
Group: S-Trains Message: 70583 From: Jaytewilli Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: 302 Boiler Front
Group: S-Trains Message: 70584 From: Larry Asp Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: 302 Boiler Front
Group: S-Trains Message: 70585 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: Early "AF" circus wagons repros available now!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70586 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: 302 Boiler Front
Group: S-Trains Message: 70587 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale: Gilbert 326 Hudson
Group: S-Trains Message: 70588 From: Steven Lunde Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 70589 From: Steven Lunde Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Fw: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 70590 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: Billboard whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 70591 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Whistling Billboard Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 70592 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: Billboard whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 70593 From: afjeff_56 Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: River City Toy Train Meet (in Sacramento, Ca.)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70594 From: Ben Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: Early "AF" circus wagons repros available now!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70595 From: Doug Peck Date: 10/6/2012
Subject: Re: Early "AF" circus wagons repros available now!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70596 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/6/2012
Subject: Project Atlantic Part Two posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 70597 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/7/2012
Subject: Another option for Billboard whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 70598 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/7/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale: Gilbert 4730A freight set with 342AC 0-8-0 Switcher
Group: S-Trains Message: 70599 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/7/2012
Subject: Hallmark 1936 Fire Engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 70600 From: Charles Hancock Date: 10/7/2012
Subject: 302 Boiler Front
Group: S-Trains Message: 70601 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/8/2012
Subject: Re: Pre-York Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70602 From: rapidrail1 Date: 10/8/2012
Subject: Re: Hallmark 1936 Fire Engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 70603 From: johntech Date: 10/8/2012
Subject: Speeder Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 70604 From: John Metzger Date: 10/8/2012
Subject: Re: Speeder Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 70605 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/8/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale: Gilbert 4730A freight set with 342AC 0-8-0 Switcher
Group: S-Trains Message: 70606 From: johntech Date: 10/8/2012
Subject: Re: Speeder Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 70607 From: Al Baker Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: See my custom PRR RailCar
Group: S-Trains Message: 70608 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: RE;Custom PRR Rail Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 70609 From: Thomas Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: American Flyer Reapir Guide
Group: S-Trains Message: 70610 From: David Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: Bobber Caboose (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70611 From: Robert Boring Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: Re: See my custom PRR RailCar
Group: S-Trains Message: 70612 From: Gregg Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: LTI/ AF For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70613 From: rlrstation Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: Universal Rail Bender for SECTIONAL TRACK
Group: S-Trains Message: 70614 From: Bill Lane Date: 10/10/2012
Subject: My S Scale PRR A5 - The Little Engine that Could
Group: S-Trains Message: 70615 From: Kyle Russell Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70616 From: rapidrail1 Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70617 From: ken garber Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: Re: Bobber Cabeese
Group: S-Trains Message: 70618 From: Scott Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: Armatures and Paint
Group: S-Trains Message: 70619 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: Re: Bobber Cabeese
Group: S-Trains Message: 70620 From: Timboy Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: Layout Torn Down
Group: S-Trains Message: 70621 From: nightshift.geo Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: 1/64 Scale Diorama
Group: S-Trains Message: 70622 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70623 From: Gale Hall Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} Walthers catalogs
Group: S-Trains Message: 70624 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Layout Torn Down
Group: S-Trains Message: 70625 From: Randall Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Tool to repair traditional AF track ties
Group: S-Trains Message: 70626 From: rick gough Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Layout Torn Down
Group: S-Trains Message: 70627 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70628 From: Thomas Barker Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Layout Torn Down
Group: S-Trains Message: 70629 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Layout torn down
Group: S-Trains Message: 70630 From: rapidrail1 Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70631 From: Doug Peck Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Tool to repair traditional AF track ties
Group: S-Trains Message: 70632 From: Brady Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Tool to repair traditional AF track ties
Group: S-Trains Message: 70633 From: Timboy Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70634 From: Robert Conner Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70635 From: Donald Keil Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Layout Torn Down
Group: S-Trains Message: 70636 From: Gregg Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: ACG Flyer For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70637 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70638 From: Timboy Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70639 From: Chilberto Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Wiring a 761/23761 Automatic Semaphore
Group: S-Trains Message: 70640 From: Timboy Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70641 From: Bill Lane Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: S Helper Service flex track for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70642 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70643 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring a 761/23761 Automatic Semaphore
Group: S-Trains Message: 70644 From: Anthony Cynor Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Layout torn down
Group: S-Trains Message: 70645 From: Robert Conner Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70646 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70647 From: Timboy Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70648 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70649 From: Jerry Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70650 From: Robert Lampe Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70651 From: Robert Lampe Date: 10/14/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70652 From: Paul Date: 10/14/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70653 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/14/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/14/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 70654 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/14/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!--PVMR
Group: S-Trains Message: 70655 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/14/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!--PVMR
Group: S-Trains Message: 70656 From: EDWARD Date: 10/14/2012
Subject: Flyer & MTH
Group: S-Trains Message: 70657 From: Robert E. Wilson Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: Epoxy Putty Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 70658 From: John Asp Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: European S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 70659 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: Re: European S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 70660 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: Re: European S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 70661 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: Re: European S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 70662 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: Re: European S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 70663 From: Steven Allen Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: Santa's Trains at Look Park
Group: S-Trains Message: 70664 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: Re: Epoxy Putty Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 70665 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: Re: European S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 70666 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 10/16/2012
Subject: Re: European S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 70667 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 10/16/2012
Subject: Re: European S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 70668 From: Alan Smith Date: 10/16/2012
Subject: Re: Epoxy Putty Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 70669 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 10/16/2012
Subject: question on usng the devcon weld
Group: S-Trains Message: 70670 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 10/16/2012
Subject: Start a club in Mason ohio area
Group: S-Trains Message: 70671 From: Donald Keil Date: 10/16/2012
Subject: Re: Start a club in Mason ohio area
Group: S-Trains Message: 70672 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 10/16/2012
Subject: Re: question on usng the devcon weld
Group: S-Trains Message: 70673 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/16/2012
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Yorkin
Group: S-Trains Message: 70674 From: Al Date: 10/17/2012
Subject: Re: question on usng the devcon weld
Group: S-Trains Message: 70675 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/17/2012
Subject: "Blue Ridge" Class Steam Loco, Virginian Railway DCC/Sound | Hornby
Group: S-Trains Message: 70676 From: Brady Date: 10/18/2012
Subject: Re: "Blue Ridge" Class Steam Loco, Virginian Railway DCC/Sound | Hor
Group: S-Trains Message: 70677 From: hclloydjr Date: 10/18/2012
Subject: Venderbilt Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 70678 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/18/2012
Subject: Yorkin'
Group: S-Trains Message: 70679 From: Bob Date: 10/19/2012
Subject: Addition of AF Diesel Engines to my Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 70680 From: Matt Date: 10/19/2012
Subject: My apologies email account Hacked
Group: S-Trains Message: 70681 From: trainnut2us Date: 10/20/2012
Subject: SHS Christmas Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 70682 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/20/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/21/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 70683 From: trainnut2us Date: 10/21/2012
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 70684 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/21/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/21/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 70685 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/21/2012
Subject: Train Collectors Association - Fall Open House 2012
Group: S-Trains Message: 70686 From: Timboy Date: 10/22/2012
Subject: It's A Start!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70687 From: JOHN Date: 10/23/2012
Subject: Observation Car Chassis
Group: S-Trains Message: 70688 From: D.F. Smith Date: 10/23/2012
Subject: Re: Observation Car Chassis
Group: S-Trains Message: 70689 From: Brady Date: 10/23/2012
Subject: A little chrome..
Group: S-Trains Message: 70690 From: John Date: 10/23/2012
Subject: Re: It's A Start!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70691 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 10/23/2012
Subject: Re: A little chrome..
Group: S-Trains Message: 70692 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 10/23/2012
Subject: Fwd: {S-Scale List} S Scale Loco & Supply new stainless steel wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 70693 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/24/2012
Subject: HackerCrap
Group: S-Trains Message: 70694 From: Warren Chadbourne Date: 10/24/2012
Subject: Re: Fwd: {S-Scale List} S Scale Loco & Supply new stainless steel wh
Group: S-Trains Message: 70695 From: Alan Lambert Date: 10/24/2012
Subject: Re: HackerCrap
Group: S-Trains Message: 70696 From: Steve Lunde Date: 10/24/2012
Subject: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 70697 From: Brady Date: 10/25/2012
Subject: December MR
Group: S-Trains Message: 70698 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/25/2012
Subject: Fwd: RE: Main Contact form
Group: S-Trains Message: 70699 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/27/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/28/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 70700 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/28/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/28/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 70701 From: David Date: 10/28/2012
Subject: AF Steam Eng. DW Hub Removal Tool
Group: S-Trains Message: 70702 From: ericrhere@gmail.com Date: 10/28/2012
Subject: More items For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70703 From: Alan Lambert Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Hurricane Sandy
Group: S-Trains Message: 70704 From: David Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70705 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: BUYER BEWARE
Group: S-Trains Message: 70706 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Re: BUYER BEWARE
Group: S-Trains Message: 70707 From: Herbert Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Re: BUYER BEWARE
Group: S-Trains Message: 70708 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Re: LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 70709 From: Peter Junger Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Re: BUYER BEWARE
Group: S-Trains Message: 70710 From: kerhart@frontier.com Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Re: BUYER BEWARE
Group: S-Trains Message: 70711 From: Peter Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Re: BUYER BEWARE--Solution is Quite Simple
Group: S-Trains Message: 70712 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Fwd: {S-Scale List} LBR Enterprises -- street address
Group: S-Trains Message: 70713 From: kerhart@frontier.com Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: Fwd: {S-Scale List} LBR Enterprises -- street address
Group: S-Trains Message: 70714 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: BUYER BEWARE
Group: S-Trains Message: 70715 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: BUYER BEWARE
Group: S-Trains Message: 70716 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: The LBR situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 70717 From: David Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: The Erhart Hudson Matter
Group: S-Trains Message: 70718 From: Alan Smith Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: The LBR situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 70719 From: wjchadbourne Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: BUYER BEWARE
Group: S-Trains Message: 70720 From: Carey Probst Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Fwd: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] What's going on?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70721 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: The LBR situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 70722 From: Steven Allen Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: The LBR situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 70723 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: BUYER BEWARE
Group: S-Trains Message: 70724 From: Alan Lambert Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: The Erhart Hudson Matter
Group: S-Trains Message: 70725 From: rick gough Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: The Erhart Hudson Matter
Group: S-Trains Message: 70726 From: Brady Date: 10/31/2012
Subject: AF Geep on sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70727 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 10/31/2012
Subject: B&O loco for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70728 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/1/2012
Subject: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70729 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/1/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale: 4611 New York Central Freight Set in C-6/C-7 condition
Group: S-Trains Message: 70730 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/1/2012
Subject: For Sale: 4611 New York Central Freight Set in C-6/C-7 condition
Group: S-Trains Message: 70731 From: Jerry Date: 11/1/2012
Subject: Parts is Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 70732 From: Bob Chaparro Date: 11/2/2012
Subject: Re: American Flyer S-Gauge Modular Club
Group: S-Trains Message: 70733 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/2/2012
Subject: How to wreck a die cast car
Group: S-Trains Message: 70734 From: rapidrail1 Date: 11/2/2012
Subject: Re: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70735 From: Robert Lampe Date: 11/2/2012
Subject: Re: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70736 From: rapidrail1 Date: 11/2/2012
Subject: Halloween Train video on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 70737 From: Obie Bell Date: 11/2/2012
Subject: Re: How to wreck a die cast car
Group: S-Trains Message: 70738 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 11/3/2012
Subject: Re: How to wreck a die cast car
Group: S-Trains Message: 70739 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/3/2012
Subject: Re: How to wreck a die cast car
Group: S-Trains Message: 70740 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/3/2012
Subject: Re: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70741 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/3/2012
Subject: Re: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70742 From: johntech Date: 11/3/2012
Subject: EL Wire to light your layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 70743 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/3/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/4/2012, 6:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 70744 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/3/2012
Subject: For Sale: Plasticville parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 70745 From: hjsheffield Date: 11/3/2012
Subject: Flyer accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 70746 From: Doug Peck Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 70747 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale: Plasticville parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 70748 From: rapidrail1 Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70749 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 70750 From: wjchadbourne Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Hiawatha Engine and Tender shells
Group: S-Trains Message: 70751 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/4/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 70752 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 70753 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 70754 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 70755 From: The Laniers Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70756 From: hjsheff@mcn.org Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 70757 From: kerhart@frontier.com Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: Hiawatha Engine and Tender shells
Group: S-Trains Message: 70758 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: UP 844 Video on YouTube
Group: S-Trains Message: 70759 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: S Fest Videos
Group: S-Trains Message: 70760 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Ebay Floods
Group: S-Trains Message: 70761 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: CLL Anniversary
Group: S-Trains Message: 70762 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Ebay Floods
Group: S-Trains Message: 70763 From: acgilbertguy Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Ebay Floods
Group: S-Trains Message: 70764 From: ken garber Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5855 - filtering ebay lists
Group: S-Trains Message: 70765 From: Timboy Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: CLL Anniversary
Group: S-Trains Message: 70766 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5855 - filtering ebay lists
Group: S-Trains Message: 70767 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: SHS for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70768 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Green screen scenery
Group: S-Trains Message: 70769 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/6/2012
Subject: Re: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70770 From: doug_cnw Date: 11/6/2012
Subject: AM Pacific pilot coupler
Group: S-Trains Message: 70771 From: Steven Allen Date: 11/6/2012
Subject: Re: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
Group: S-Trains Message: 70772 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/7/2012
Subject: "Project Atlantic" Part Three posted!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70773 From: Brady Date: 11/7/2012
Subject: Kit Review: S Gauge Lightweight Coach (Prototype Modeler, Dec 78)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70774 From: Jerry Date: 11/7/2012
Subject: Re: Kit Review: S Gauge Lightweight Coach (Prototype Modeler, Dec 7
Group: S-Trains Message: 70775 From: Robert Lampe Date: 11/8/2012
Subject: Re: Kit Review: S Gauge Lightweight Coach (Prototype Modeler, Dec 7
Group: S-Trains Message: 70776 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/8/2012
Subject: Allentown Train Meet
Group: S-Trains Message: 70777 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/9/2012
Subject: Re: Kit Review: S Gauge Lightweight Coach (Prototype Modeler, Dec 7
Group: S-Trains Message: 70778 From: plotnick@earthlink.net Date: 11/9/2012
Subject: Apologies for spam
Group: S-Trains Message: 70779 From: Eric Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: S Stuff for Sale 11/9/2012
Group: S-Trains Message: 70780 From: Sheila Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: New Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 70781 From: Ben Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Used SHS flex track for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70782 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/11/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 70783 From: Thorin Date: 11/11/2012
Subject: AF and DCC sound cams
Group: S-Trains Message: 70784 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/11/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/11/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 70785 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/11/2012
Subject: Looking for Lionel bulb
Group: S-Trains Message: 70786 From: Jacques Date: 11/12/2012
Subject: Light Bulbs in 499?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70787 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 11/12/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulbs in 499?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70788 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/12/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulbs in 499?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70789 From: acgilbertguy Date: 11/12/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulbs in 499?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70790 From: David Date: 11/12/2012
Subject: HEAVY DUTY Wheel Puller Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70791 From: Eric Date: 11/12/2012
Subject: Ore Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70792 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/12/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulbs in 499?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70793 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 11/12/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulbs in 499?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70794 From: Alan Smith Date: 11/13/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulbs in 499?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70795 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 11/13/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulbs in 499?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70796 From: George Dines Date: 11/15/2012
Subject: Lansing Train Show Sunday 11/18/12
Group: S-Trains Message: 70797 From: kerhart@frontier.com Date: 11/15/2012
Subject: LBR Enterprises
Group: S-Trains Message: 70798 From: Eric Date: 11/16/2012
Subject: S Rolling stock for sale - Husky stack cars.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70799 From: rick gough Date: 11/16/2012
Subject: Re: LBR Enterprises
Group: S-Trains Message: 70800 From: wb4hay Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Turntable power wires
Group: S-Trains Message: 70801 From: Kyle Russell Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Re: Turntable power wires
Group: S-Trains Message: 70802 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Re: Turntable Wires
Group: S-Trains Message: 70803 From: Robert Lampe Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Re: Turntable Wires
Group: S-Trains Message: 70804 From: David Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: THE HEAVY DUTY WHEEL PULLER IS HERE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70805 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/18/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 70806 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Bob Martin
Group: S-Trains Message: 70807 From: Dale Smith Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Re: LBR Enterprises
Group: S-Trains Message: 70808 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/18/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/18/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 70809 From: srgriggs Date: 11/19/2012
Subject: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine
Group: S-Trains Message: 70810 From: racin510 Date: 11/19/2012
Subject: Semaphore SAM Resistor
Group: S-Trains Message: 70811 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/19/2012
Subject: Re: Semaphore SAM Resistor
Group: S-Trains Message: 70812 From: rapidrail1 Date: 11/19/2012
Subject: Re: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine
Group: S-Trains Message: 70813 From: Alan Lambert Date: 11/19/2012
Subject: Re: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine
Group: S-Trains Message: 70814 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 11/19/2012
Subject: Re: Semaphore SAM Resistor
Group: S-Trains Message: 70815 From: wb4hay Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: Re: Turntable power wires
Group: S-Trains Message: 70816 From: rapidrail1 Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: Re: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine
Group: S-Trains Message: 70817 From: Alan Lambert Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: Re: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine
Group: S-Trains Message: 70818 From: ghslaw31 Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: CTA 4000
Group: S-Trains Message: 70819 From: Al Baker Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: Re: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine
Group: S-Trains Message: 70820 From: johntech Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: They're here!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70821 From: rick gough Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: Re: Semaphore SAM Resistor
Group: S-Trains Message: 70822 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: Re: Semaphore SAM Resistor
Group: S-Trains Message: 70823 From: John Metzger Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: Fw: Macy's Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 70824 From: Steven Allen Date: 11/21/2012
Subject: Santa's Trains at Look Park
Group: S-Trains Message: 70825 From: Robert George Date: 11/21/2012
Subject: Re: Fw: Macy's Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 70826 From: Cary Date: 11/21/2012
Subject: Sam the Semaphore door
Group: S-Trains Message: 70827 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 11/21/2012
Subject: RULES ARE RULES --PIX
Group: S-Trains Message: 70828 From: Scott Holm Date: 11/22/2012
Subject: Re: RULES ARE RULES --PIX
Group: S-Trains Message: 70829 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/22/2012
Subject: RE;Rules are rules-pix
Group: S-Trains Message: 70830 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 11/22/2012
Subject: Re: RULES ARE RULES --PIX
Group: S-Trains Message: 70831 From: David Date: 11/22/2012
Subject: UNANNOUNCED 1 DAY OFFER! (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70832 From: Timboy Date: 11/22/2012
Subject: My New Train Table
Group: S-Trains Message: 70833 From: Brady Date: 11/22/2012
Subject: MTH #46 Crossing Gate and Signal
Group: S-Trains Message: 70834 From: Robert E. Wilson Date: 11/22/2012
Subject: AF Water Tank
Group: S-Trains Message: 70835 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 11/24/2012
Subject: SnS Trains web site
Group: S-Trains Message: 70836 From: Lennis Hall Date: 11/24/2012
Subject: Re: SnS Trains web site
Group: S-Trains Message: 70837 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/24/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/26/2012, 1:00 am
Group: S-Trains Message: 70838 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/25/2012
Subject: SP Daylight set for sale (NEW)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70839 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/25/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/26/2012, 1:00 am
Group: S-Trains Message: 70840 From: David Date: 11/25/2012
Subject: 3 Day Smoke Sale (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70841 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/25/2012
Subject: Re: 3 Day Smoke Sale (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70842 From: Robert Lampe Date: 11/25/2012
Subject: Re: 3 Day Smoke Sale (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70843 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/25/2012
Subject: Re: 3 Day Smoke Sale (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70844 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 11/25/2012
Subject: Re: 3 Day Smoke Sale (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70845 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/25/2012
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID
Group: S-Trains Message: 70846 From: Brady Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: Crossing Gates circa 1954
Group: S-Trains Message: 70847 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: black smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 70848 From: Obie Bell Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: Re: Crossing Gates circa 1954
Group: S-Trains Message: 70849 From: johntech Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: Re: Crossing Gates circa 1954
Group: S-Trains Message: 70850 From: kathre1 Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Lionel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 70851 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 70852 From: Lou Templeton Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 70853 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Lionel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 70854 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Re: SHS...Last day of sales, this Friday....
Group: S-Trains Message: 70856 From: Ray Puls Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: BB clearance
Group: S-Trains Message: 70857 From: Alan Lambert Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Re: Original Boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 70858 From: Steven Allen Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Re: Original Boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 70859 From: NEIL Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: American Models GG-1 help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70860 From: Jerry Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70861 From: piccu56 Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: Original Boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 70862 From: Neil Trump Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: Original Boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 70863 From: NEIL Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70864 From: Karl Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: 'S' friendly Hobby shops - Twin Cities Area
Group: S-Trains Message: 70865 From: Jerry Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70866 From: kathre1 Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 70867 From: kathre1 Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 70868 From: alsflyer Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: For Sale: S-Helper SW-9 1200 hp EMD diesel switch engine - Hi-Rail o
Group: S-Trains Message: 70869 From: David Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: "DECAL GIVE-A-WAY" One Day Only (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70870 From: ken garber Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5878
Group: S-Trains Message: 70871 From: Warner, Ronald Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale: S-Helper SW-9 1200 hp EMD diesel switch engine - Hi-Ra
Group: S-Trains Message: 70872 From: marks3891 Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70873 From: Jacques Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: Docksider Armature Bearing
Group: S-Trains Message: 70874 From: kempfam@aol.com Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: 'S' friendly Hobby shops - Twin Cities Area
Group: S-Trains Message: 70875 From: lastmanstndng Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Docksider Armature Bearing
Group: S-Trains Message: 70876 From: Karl Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: 'S' friendly Hobby shops - Twin Cities Area
Group: S-Trains Message: 70877 From: johntech Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Making signals for your layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 70878 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Docksider Armature Bearing
Group: S-Trains Message: 70879 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/3/2012, 1:00 am
Group: S-Trains Message: 70880 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Project Atlantic Part Four Posted!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70881 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Docksider Armature Bearing
Group: S-Trains Message: 70882 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/2/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/3/2012, 1:00 am
Group: S-Trains Message: 70883 From: Eric Date: 12/2/2012
Subject: Rolling Stock and engine for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70884 From: Al Date: 12/3/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale: S-Helper SW-9 1200 hp EMD diesel switch engine - Hi-Ra
Group: S-Trains Message: 70885 From: Obie Bell Date: 12/3/2012
Subject: New Haven gondola #61063
Group: S-Trains Message: 70886 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 12/3/2012
Subject: Re: New Haven gondola #61063
Group: S-Trains Message: 70887 From: Wayne B. Date: 12/4/2012
Subject: Re: New Haven gondola #61063
Group: S-Trains Message: 70888 From: Thomas Date: 12/4/2012
Subject: Companion Video for American Flyer Repair Guide
Group: S-Trains Message: 70889 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 12/4/2012
Subject: FW: Clinic Program Announced for 2013 Bay Area PCR/LD/OP SIG Meet
Group: S-Trains Message: 70890 From: Don Thompson Date: 12/4/2012
Subject: Re: SHS is now closed
Group: S-Trains Message: 70891 From: Alex Date: 12/4/2012
Subject: Re: SHS is now closed
Group: S-Trains Message: 70892 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 12/5/2012
Subject: Re: SHS is now closed
Group: S-Trains Message: 70893 From: gartrain404@comcast.net Date: 12/6/2012
Subject: SHS is now closed
Group: S-Trains Message: 70894 From: knight@calu.edu Date: 12/6/2012
Subject: Pony Express question
Group: S-Trains Message: 70895 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/6/2012
Subject: S-'n-S Trains web site
Group: S-Trains Message: 70896 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 12/6/2012
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains web site
Group: S-Trains Message: 70897 From: Warner, Ronald Date: 12/6/2012
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] Attacked in S gauge!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70898 From: Bud Rindfleisch Date: 12/6/2012
Subject: PRR 0-6-0 21004 boiler needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 70899 From: Clay Buckage Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: Re: PRR 0-6-0 21004 boiler needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 70900 From: Lennis Hall Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains web site
Group: S-Trains Message: 70901 From: Richard Reichard Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: UNIVERSAL RAIL BENDER
Group: S-Trains Message: 70902 From: Bud Rindfleisch Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: Re: PRR 0-6-0 21004 boiler needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 70903 From: Al Baker Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: Re: PRR 0-6-0 21004 boiler needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 70904 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70905 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: For Sale: Flyonel Freight Cars NIB Make Offer
Group: S-Trains Message: 70906 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Reversre Loop help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70907 From: john Brazaitis Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70908 From: Thomas Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70909 From: ghslaw31 Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Tom Doherty
Group: S-Trains Message: 70910 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70911 From: D. Winslow Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70912 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70913 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70914 From: D. Winslow Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70915 From: Jeff Faust Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70916 From: Robert Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Proper track for scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70917 From: D. Winslow Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70918 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/9/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 70919 From: Richard Falzini Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: Proper track for scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70920 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70921 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70922 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: Proper track for scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70923 From: D. Winslow Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70924 From: First Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70925 From: Timboy Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 70926 From: aztecfan Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: auto reverse loops
Group: S-Trains Message: 70927 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Proper track for scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70928 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/9/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 70929 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: part number s306
Group: S-Trains Message: 70930 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 70931 From: Brady Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Lumber Shed
Group: S-Trains Message: 70932 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: Proper track for scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70933 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: Lumber Shed
Group: S-Trains Message: 70934 From: Bud Rindfleisch Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: PRR 0-6-0 21004 boiler needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 70935 From: Alan Smith Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: part number s306
Group: S-Trains Message: 70936 From: johntech Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: First test for my S gauge Block Detector
Group: S-Trains Message: 70937 From: johntech Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: S Gauge Block Detector Test
Group: S-Trains Message: 70938 From: johntech Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: DCC ready Baldwin critter
Group: S-Trains Message: 70939 From: hjsheffield Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: motor replacements
Group: S-Trains Message: 70940 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: part number s306
Group: S-Trains Message: 70941 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 70942 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/10/2012
Subject: Re: reverse loop
Group: S-Trains Message: 70943 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/10/2012
Subject: Layout video
Group: S-Trains Message: 70944 From: John Metzger Date: 12/10/2012
Subject: Fw: Fw: Macy's Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 70945 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/10/2012
Subject: Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 70946 From: Brian Snook Date: 12/10/2012
Subject: Re: Layout video
Group: S-Trains Message: 70947 From: Thorin Date: 12/10/2012
Subject: Cleaning whitewall tires on AF steam
Group: S-Trains Message: 70948 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 12/10/2012
Subject: Re: Layout video
Group: S-Trains Message: 70949 From: Charles Hancock Date: 12/10/2012
Subject: Re: Cleaning whitewall tires on AF steam
Group: S-Trains Message: 70950 From: Brian Snook Date: 12/11/2012
Subject: Re: Layout video
Group: S-Trains Message: 70951 From: Timboy Date: 12/11/2012
Subject: Re: Layout video
Group: S-Trains Message: 70952 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 12/11/2012
Subject: Re: Cleaning whitewall tires on AF steam
Group: S-Trains Message: 70953 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/11/2012
Subject: Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 70954 From: Brian Snook Date: 12/11/2012
Subject: Re: Layout video
Group: S-Trains Message: 70955 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/11/2012
Subject: Re: Cleaning whitewall tires on AF steam
Group: S-Trains Message: 70956 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/11/2012
Subject: Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 70957 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 12/11/2012
Subject: Re: Layout video
Group: S-Trains Message: 70958 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 70959 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 70960 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: 2-8-8-2s shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 70961 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2s shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 70962 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2s shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 70963 From: Robert E. Wilson Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: Drills and Taps for Billboard Repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 70964 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: 577 Billboard Frame and Screws - Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 70965 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: Re: 577 Billboard Frame and Screws - Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 70966 From: David Date: 12/13/2012
Subject: Change The Look Of Your AF #290 E&T (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70967 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 12/13/2012
Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2s shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 70968 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/13/2012
Subject: Article - The Passenger Train Oriented Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 70969 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/14/2012
Subject: Re: Article - The Passenger Train Oriented Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 70970 From: Joe San2c Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: This setup is beyond unbelievable
Group: S-Trains Message: 70971 From: Jerry Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 70972 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Re: This setup is beyond unbelievable
Group: S-Trains Message: 70973 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Re: Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 70974 From: Tom Hawley Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: The Lowell Car - Re: [S-Trains] Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 70975 From: kb6gz Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: DCC troubles
Group: S-Trains Message: 70976 From: Warner, Ronald Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Re: The Lowell Car - Re: [S-Trains] Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 70977 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Re: DCC troubles
Group: S-Trains Message: 70978 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/16/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 70979 From: Thorin Marty Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Whitening AF whitewalls; what was done
Group: S-Trains Message: 70980 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Roadbed Gone Wild
Group: S-Trains Message: 70981 From: Thorin Marty Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Dual decoders: Thank you
Group: S-Trains Message: 70982 From: Thorin Marty Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Brighter than Dullcote but not a gloss coat.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70983 From: Thorin Marty Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Re: Dual decoders: Thank you
Group: S-Trains Message: 70984 From: Warner, Ronald Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: HO folks in S-scale dome RE: The Lowell Car - Re: [S-Trains] Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 70985 From: Michael Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: SJSG 2012 Christmas Card
Group: S-Trains Message: 70986 From: poniaj Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: The Lowell Car - Re: [S-Trains] Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 70987 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: Re: HO folks in S-scale dome RE: The Lowell Car - Re: [S-Trains] Pho
Group: S-Trains Message: 70988 From: Jerry Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: Dagwood
Group: S-Trains Message: 70989 From: alsflyer Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: Needing Photos of the AF 334DC tender wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 70990 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/16/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 70991 From: Jeff Faust Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: Re: Brighter than Dullcote but not a gloss coat.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70992 From: Jerry Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: Re: Dagwood
Group: S-Trains Message: 70993 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: 577 Whistling Billboard Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 70994 From: robert hendrickson Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: Re: Brighter than Dullcote but not a gloss coat.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70995 From: aztecfan Date: 12/17/2012
Subject: People for dome cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70996 From: Jerry Date: 12/17/2012
Subject: Re: People for dome cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70997 From: Alan Lambert Date: 12/17/2012
Subject: Re: People for dome cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70998 From: Tom Hawley Date: 12/17/2012
Subject: Re: People for dome cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 70999 From: aztecfan Date: 12/18/2012
Subject: Dome car people
Group: S-Trains Message: 71000 From: Michael Leahy Date: 12/18/2012
Subject: Milk Cans
Group: S-Trains Message: 71001 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/18/2012
Subject: Re: Milk Cans
Group: S-Trains Message: 71002 From: David Date: 12/18/2012
Subject: AF #740 Hand Car Decal Set+
Group: S-Trains Message: 71003 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/18/2012
Subject: Re: Milk Cans
Group: S-Trains Message: 71004 From: Gerry Evans Date: 12/19/2012
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} Re: Directory...
Group: S-Trains Message: 71005 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/19/2012
Subject: Lionel's YouTube Channel
Group: S-Trains Message: 71006 From: John Degnan Date: 12/19/2012
Subject: Circus and/or Zoo Animals?
Group: S-Trains Message: 71007 From: Alan Lambert Date: 12/19/2012
Subject: Re: Circus and/or Zoo Animals?
Group: S-Trains Message: 71008 From: acgilbertguy Date: 12/19/2012
Subject: Re: Circus and/or Zoo Animals?
Group: S-Trains Message: 71009 From: rj4010d Date: 12/20/2012
Subject: New Y 3's
Group: S-Trains Message: 71010 From: marks3891 Date: 12/20/2012
Subject: Re: Circus and/or Zoo Animals?
Group: S-Trains Message: 71011 From: Eric Date: 12/21/2012
Subject: S Trains For Sale 12/21/12
Group: S-Trains Message: 71012 From: Ben Date: 12/21/2012
Subject: AF items for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 71013 From: David Date: 12/22/2012
Subject: "COMING SOON" Super Custom ATLANTIC E&T (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains Message: 71014 From: Timboy Date: 12/22/2012
Subject: Sibley Display Layout Knock-Off
Group: S-Trains Message: 71015 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/22/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/23/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 71016 From: Ben Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: Re: Used SHS flex track for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 71017 From: MikeS Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: Re: Sibley Display Layout Knock-Off
Group: S-Trains Message: 71018 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/23/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 71019 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: Re: Sibley Display Layout Knock-Off
Group: S-Trains Message: 71020 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: My Little Christmas Village/Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 71021 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: Re: My Little Christmas Village/Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 71022 From: EDWARD ECKERT Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: Re: My Little Christmas Village/Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 71023 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: Re: My Little Christmas Village/Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 71024 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: S-'n-S Trains web site
Group: S-Trains Message: 71025 From: Jeff Faust Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: Re: Sibley Display Layout Knock-Off
Group: S-Trains Message: 71026 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Re: My Little Christmas Village/Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 71027 From: Ben Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: AF Circus stuff for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 71028 From: Timboy Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Re: Sibley Display Layout Knock-Off
Group: S-Trains Message: 71029 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Web site up and running
Group: S-Trains Message: 71030 From: Ben Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Re: AF Circus stuff for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 71031 From: Ben Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Re: AF Circus stuff for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 71032 From: johntech Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Re: Web site up and running
Group: S-Trains Message: 71033 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Website up and running
Group: S-Trains Message: 71034 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Re: Web site up and running
Group: S-Trains Message: 71035 From: johntech Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: Web site up and running
Group: S-Trains Message: 71036 From: vito4cal Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Annoucement: S West 8
Group: S-Trains Message: 71037 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: Web site up and running
Group: S-Trains Message: 71038 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains web site
Group: S-Trains Message: 71039 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Christmas greetings
Group: S-Trains Message: 71040 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Flyer layout - February 2013 issue Classic Toy Trains Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 71041 From: Brady Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: Web site up and running
Group: S-Trains Message: 71042 From: Brady Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: Sibley Display Layout Knock-Off
Group: S-Trains Message: 71043 From: MikeS Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Gargraves Connecting Pins? S Gauge Track Pins
Group: S-Trains Message: 71044 From: Alan Lambert Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains web site
Group: S-Trains Message: 71045 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Merry Christmas y'all
Group: S-Trains Message: 71046 From: Herbert Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: Christmas greetings
Group: S-Trains Message: 71047 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: new website
Group: S-Trains Message: 71048 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: Christmas greetings
Group: S-Trains Message: 71049 From: John Metzger Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas y'all
Group: S-Trains Message: 71050 From: Tom David Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gargraves Connecting Pins? S Gauge Track Pins
Group: S-Trains Message: 71051 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: S Trains for Sale (please do not reply to yahoo group!)
Group: S-Trains Message: 71052 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: Web site colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 71053 From: Herbert Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: Re: Web site colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 71054 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: Web site update
Group: S-Trains Message: 71055 From: johntech Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: Re: Web site colors
Group: S-Trains Message: 71056 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: try the link now
Group: S-Trains Message: 71057 From: Al Baker Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: Re: try the link now
Group: S-Trains Message: 71058 From: Alan Lambert Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: Re: try the link now
Group: S-Trains Message: 71059 From: Robert A Persing Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: Re: try the link now
Group: S-Trains Message: 71060 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: Re: try the link now
Group: S-Trains Message: 71061 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: Building modules for s-gauge layout.
Group: S-Trains Message: 71062 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: S306 screw
Group: S-Trains Message: 71063 From: Monte Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: NASG Model Contest Rules Change
Group: S-Trains Message: 71064 From: MikeS Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: Re: Gargraves Connecting Pins? S Gauge Track Pins
Group: S-Trains Message: 71065 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: Re: try the link now
Group: S-Trains Message: 71066 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: Re: NASG Model Contest Rules Change
Group: S-Trains Message: 71067 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: Re: S306 screw
Group: S-Trains Message: 71068 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: M.T. H. newsletter....
Group: S-Trains Message: 71069 From: Herbert Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
Group: S-Trains Message: 71070 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
Group: S-Trains Message: 71071 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
Group: S-Trains Message: 71072 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
Group: S-Trains Message: 71073 From: Thorin Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: NASG Model Contest Rules Change
Group: S-Trains Message: 71074 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
Group: S-Trains Message: 71075 From: Thorin Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Extra hole in 343 0-8-0 right running board near front
Group: S-Trains Message: 71076 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Big Cityscapes
Group: S-Trains Message: 71077 From: Thorin Marty Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: 343 0-8-0 with double holes in the right front running board
Group: S-Trains Message: 71078 From: Bud Rindfleisch Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: wheel puller question
Group: S-Trains Message: 71079 From: Herbert Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: Big Cityscapes
Group: S-Trains Message: 71080 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: wheel puller question
Group: S-Trains Message: 71081 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: wheel puller question
Group: S-Trains Message: 71082 From: Lon Walker Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: wheel puller question
Group: S-Trains Message: 71083 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: Extra hole in 343 0-8-0 right running board near front
Group: S-Trains Message: 71084 From: Larry Asp Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: wheel puller question
Group: S-Trains Message: 71085 From: Timboy Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Group: S-Trains Message: 71086 From: Art Cooper Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: 343 0-8-0 with double holes in the right front running board
Group: S-Trains Message: 71087 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Car kits for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 71088 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 71089 From: kerhart@frontier.com Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: DCC w/Sound for AF 343
Group: S-Trains Message: 71090 From: Alan Smith Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 71091 From: David Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 71092 From: Thorin Marty Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: NASG Model Contest Rules Change
Group: S-Trains Message: 71093 From: Steven Allen Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 71094 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Group: S-Trains Message: 71095 From: Michael Rector Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
Group: S-Trains Message: 71096 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: DCC w/Sound for AF 343
Group: S-Trains Message: 71097 From: tbennerohio Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Pickup slider boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 71098 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Group: S-Trains Message: 71099 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: Pickup slider boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 71100 From: Paul Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: Pickup slider boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 71101 From: Timboy Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Group: S-Trains Message: 71102 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/30/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 71103 From: George Cohn Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: NASG Model Contest Rules Change
Group: S-Trains Message: 71104 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: Pickup slider boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 71105 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: Pickup slider boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 71106 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Group: S-Trains Message: 71107 From: Thorin Marty Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: DCC w/Sound for AF 343
Group: S-Trains Message: 71108 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
Group: S-Trains Message: 71109 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Group: S-Trains Message: 71110 From: mike Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: wheel puller question
Group: S-Trains Message: 71111 From: Peter Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: AF Circus Passenger Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 71112 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: wheel puller question
Group: S-Trains Message: 71113 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Group: S-Trains Message: 71114 From: Thorin Marty Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: DCC w/Sound for AF 343
Group: S-Trains Message: 71115 From: Alan Lambert Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
Group: S-Trains Message: 71116 From: Alan Lambert Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
Group: S-Trains Message: 71117 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 71118 From: Jeff Faust Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Group: S-Trains Message: 71119 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/30/2012, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 71120 From: tbennerohio Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: Pickup slider boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 71121 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Group: S-Trains Message: 71122 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
Group: S-Trains Message: 71123 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Group: S-Trains Message: 71124 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Group: S-Trains Message: 71125 From: alsflyer Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: FIRE !! A Safety Warning
Group: S-Trains Message: 71126 From: hunbet Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Group: S-Trains Message: 71127 From: Timboy Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Group: S-Trains Message: 71128 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Group: S-Trains Message: 71129 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Fire! A safety warning!
Group: S-Trains Message: 71130 From: Timboy Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: FIRE !! A Safety Warning
Group: S-Trains Message: 71131 From: tbennerohio Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: TMCC Powermaster fuse
Group: S-Trains Message: 71132 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: TMCC Powermaster fuse
Group: S-Trains Message: 71133 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: FIRE !! A Safety Warning
Group: S-Trains Message: 71134 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: NICROME WIRE
Group: S-Trains Message: 71135 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Those new Flyonel Y3s--I Like mine!
Group: S-Trains Message: 71136 From: Lennis Hall Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: NICROME WIRE
Group: S-Trains Message: 71137 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: NICROME WIRE
Group: S-Trains Message: 71138 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Help with SHS F-3 A unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 71139 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: U33B truck pivoting fix
Group: S-Trains Message: 71140 From: Ben Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: 635 Type IV- rare crane found



Group: S-Trains Message: 67476 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: Recently on Public Radio
Absolutely. The rise of the railroads was a huge blessing for America that
also had it¹s dark, tragic, inane, greedy elements.

Bottom line: The transcontinental railroad literally made the United States
united. Was it worth it, considering all the pros and cons? I leave it to
someone else¹s judgment. I will speculate, however, that it would have been
a mighty long time until the automobile and airplane came along to move
people and goods across the 3,000 miles of mostly wilderness that was
America at the time.

Roy Inman

From: hazelnutt_1999 <mlprell@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:04:39 +0000
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Recently on Public Radio






A couple of days ago Diane Reem interviewed a gentleman named Dr. Richard
White, a Professor of History from Stanford. He has written, what appears to
be a very informative account of the development and influential background
of the nineteenth century American Railway system, which he's entitled,
"Railroaded-The Transcontenentals And The Making of America".

In it he states that much of our current socio-economic problems stem from
the creation of these railroades. One point made is that, at the time, real
railroad men wouldn't dare getting involved with trying to build a
transconental because they recognized the risks. That those who did were
business men who had no idea about what they were doing;(sort of how it is
today in most hospital administrations) that most of them were ignorent
about how a railroad should be run, that the majority went bankrupt and
were constantly seeking government bail-out. Sound familiar? Sounds like a
great read. BTW. Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just passing this along.

Mike "S"-ottpuppy Prell








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Group: S-Trains Message: 67477 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Be there tonight!
I couldn't make last night's New Years Chat, I wasn't able to get on the the computer last night because "she who must be obeyed" wouldn't get off her damn Fartbook stuff.
I'll be on tonight's usual Chat, but I may have to tie Cindy to a chair first. :-)
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 67478 From: johntech Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: Model Railroader 3 DVD set
Thank you for the reply Roy. I am thinking of purchasing the dvd set too.

I had contacted MR this year and asked why they didn't currently offer MR as a download. I was told there wasn't enough people interested in downloading
the magazine as apposed to those who purchased the hard copy of the magazine. With the DVD set, I was just trying to find out if it was worth the $200
even though it is primarily for HO scale.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: Roy Meissner
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Model Railroader 3 DVD set



To answer your question, I'll ask a queation. What do you expect form the disks? I received mine about two weeks ago. They have every page of every Model Railroader magazine from 1934 to 2009. Each page comes up by itself. You can print 1 page or a series of pages. You can look at each issue separately, or put a title or word in the search window to find a specific article. In my opinion, the search engine is not the best. The reason I bought the disks is that I like the older issues for building ideas and the plans. I have most ot the issues of MR, but it is much easier to use the disks fo find an article. If I go to my magazines, I have to dig them out, then find the article, then copy it. With the disks, I just find the article and copy it. If an article has some ads on that page, you have to copy the whole page. You can not block out the ads. I can also free up a lot of shelf space as I don't need those old magazines. I fell it is worth the money. If anyone has any other questions let me know and I will try to answer them.

Roy J Meissner




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67479 From: sgaugian Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: u33's ,challengers,& more
Thanks for sharing this video. It looks as though both of your Challengers and u-boats work well. They look and sound great too. I noticed what looked like a Cab1 antenna. Were you running them with TMCC or Legacy? Thanks and happy new year.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67480 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: Seaboard Baldwin's
Mike:

Be careful with ANY Baldwin! When they wear a bit, and weren't lubricated properly (most trains) they have a tendency to overheat and burn out. You may be paying a premium for a pretty shell. When buying ALWAYS allow for what you DON'T see. We tend to get so blinded by the excitement of seeing a rare item "in the flesh", that we overlook obvious flaws.

I often wonder what methods the price guide publishers use to determine price. I suspect there's a bit of "mumbo jumbo" involved.


Please note: message attached

From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Seaboard Baldwin's
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:32:29 -0500


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67481 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: The Crash Test
I've seen a Hell of a lot of auto crashes over the years, and they aren't any prettier today than they were back in the fifties! I wouldn't want to be in EITHER the 2009 or the 1959 Chevy! I find it REAL hard to believe the driver of the '09 Chevy would have had just a minor knee injury, air bag or not! One of our local town cops was hospitalized for a month after a similar crash; Brand new '10 Impala police car vs.'08 Ford Fusion.
As stated, cars SHOULD be safer today! Both Volvo and Mercedes were years ahead of the US automakers on safety until the government turned up the wick! Unfortunately, today's drivers are worse than they were in 1959!
You might also ask why it took fifty years for gas mileage to increase after so many years of little or no change! Most "car guys" know the technology has existed for a long time.
As for the test, the '59 Chevy was an excellent choice to use for this test as it had the notoriously poor "X" frame, as did most "full size" GM cars from '58 through '63. Ride was better than earlier GM cars because the frames flexed so much, but handling, strength and durability had been sacrificed. The "X" was replaced by the standard "ladder" type frame again by the 1964 models.
I cannot argue that everything made back in those days was great, but at least you could tell a Chevy apart from a Ford, from a Plymouth, from a Studebaker. You could tell a Lionel from an American Flyer back then too, but neither of them ran or looked as good as a Bachmann train today.
Nostalgis has little to do with reality sometimes, but everything to do with pleasant memories. Leave us old folks our nostalgia please.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 67482 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: The Crash Test
Not ready to be a part of the old folks quite yet, but like the post war era trains specifically American Flyer as I got my start with passed down lionel and Marx trains switched to Ho for most of my youth and gradually found my way back to lionel American Flyer and Marx trains. Just when I think I know all about trains I learn something new from older and more experienced hobbyists.
 
Like the newer Lionels with TMCC and Legacy systems automotive technology has gotten to the point where it is pushed to its limits and trips over its self from time to time.
 
The best part of postwar trains is the old motors with the ozone smell, anyone remember the smell of an hobby shop or layout with trains running?

--- On Sat, 12/31/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] The Crash Test
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 31, 2011, 11:44 PM



 



I've seen a Hell of a lot of auto crashes over the years, and they aren't any prettier today than they were back in the fifties! I wouldn't want to be in EITHER the 2009 or the 1959 Chevy! I find it REAL hard to believe the driver of the '09 Chevy would have had just a minor knee injury, air bag or not! One of our local town cops was hospitalized for a month after a similar crash; Brand new '10 Impala police car vs.'08 Ford Fusion.
As stated, cars SHOULD be safer today! Both Volvo and Mercedes were years ahead of the US automakers on safety until the government turned up the wick! Unfortunately, today's drivers are worse than they were in 1959!
You might also ask why it took fifty years for gas mileage to increase after so many years of little or no change! Most "car guys" know the technology has existed for a long time.
As for the test, the '59 Chevy was an excellent choice to use for this test as it had the notoriously poor "X" frame, as did most "full size" GM cars from '58 through '63. Ride was better than earlier GM cars because the frames flexed so much, but handling, strength and durability had been sacrificed. The "X" was replaced by the standard "ladder" type frame again by the 1964 models.
I cannot argue that everything made back in those days was great, but at least you could tell a Chevy apart from a Ford, from a Plymouth, from a Studebaker. You could tell a Lionel from an American Flyer back then too, but neither of them ran or looked as good as a Bachmann train today.
Nostalgis has little to do with reality sometimes, but everything to do with pleasant memories. Leave us old folks our nostalgia please.
Stumpy in Ahia








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Group: S-Trains Message: 67483 From: rj4010d Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: u33's ,challengers,& more
I wondered you would see the cab 1 in the picture.Three were on Cab 2 & one on the cab 1. For some reason we always run into signal loss when we run four at one time on cab 2.
Bob G.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing this video. It looks as though both of your Challengers and u-boats work well. They look and sound great too. I noticed what looked like a Cab1 antenna. Were you running them with TMCC or Legacy? Thanks and happy new year.
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67484 From: acgilbertguy Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: Be there tonight!
Stumpy, I don't think you missed much. I logged in a couple of times during the time listed and one person had logged in, and then out, so I was there by myself. I can talk to myself without a computer, so I didn't stick around. Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> I couldn't make last night's New Years Chat, I wasn't able to get on the the computer last night because "she who must be obeyed" wouldn't get off her damn Fartbook stuff.
> I'll be on tonight's usual Chat, but I may have to tie Cindy to a chair first. :-)
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/1/2012, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67486 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Tiger In Your Tank
Hi All,

Do you remember the Tiger In Your Tank promotion. Well the New Year has brought the tiger to make an appearence at my Esso station. You can see the first of his three photos here:

http://tinyurl.com/7dh7yml

Just scroll to see the rest of his photos and other photos of my layout.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 67487 From: Paul Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: paint removal
Happy New Year All, this is slightly off topic, but very S train and
hobby orientated. someone must have been before me and
maybe can help me learn about stripping paint off out metal or plastic
train bodies without doing damage. are pasty liquid
chemical strippers best? anyone had luck with a home built cabinet and
blasting media? maybe the 40/100 crushed walnut
shells I find on E-Bay, or will they be too coarse and need too much air
pressure? lots of hand work with super fine steel wool?
I do not want to hurt any details, rivets and such. I do plan on finding
a good filler and sealer primer to use before the final coat.
I have seen threads on what paint is a close match to ACG's offerings
long ago, but not much on preparation work. thanks one
and all for thoughts and leads, paul from the flatter part of Ohio than
Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 67488 From: johntech Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: paint removal
Hi Paul

I personally have used brake fluid to remove the paint on the AF 370 diesel.
It took about 1/2 hour and a tooth brush. I had a box that the shell would
fit into and lined it with a plastic bag that I put the brake fluid in to soak.
It cleaned up real nice and the tooth brush got into all the cracks and crevices

***NOTE*** use a q-tip and test on the INSIDE of the shell BEFORE you put
any plastic into the brake fluid to see if there is any reaction to the plastic.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: Paul
To: S Trains mailing list
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 4:58 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] paint removal



Happy New Year All, this is slightly off topic, but very S train and
hobby orientated. someone must have been before me and
maybe can help me learn about stripping paint off out metal or plastic
train bodies without doing damage. are pasty liquid
chemical strippers best? anyone had luck with a home built cabinet and
blasting media? maybe the 40/100 crushed walnut
shells I find on E-Bay, or will they be too coarse and need too much air
pressure? lots of hand work with super fine steel wool?
I do not want to hurt any details, rivets and such. I do plan on finding
a good filler and sealer primer to use before the final coat.
I have seen threads on what paint is a close match to ACG's offerings
long ago, but not much on preparation work. thanks one
and all for thoughts and leads, paul from the flatter part of Ohio than
Stumpy




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67489 From: Brady Burdge Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Minicraft Type House
I found this house at an antique store, looks like a detailed version
of the 161 Bungalow..

http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/2802992227

The bottom is stamped "Montblanc Models Park Ridge NJ".

Does anyone have any info on this outfit, or Minicraft itself?


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 67490 From: Paul Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: kit bashing and molding
I used the subject line so those uninterested could skip this thread.
for that matter, anyone with ideas and wanting to
remain anonymous can mail me directly. I think it is a relevant subject
to many of us.
when creating an never offered item, what works well as a filler or
building agent (bondo) to get a new form? I see comments
on repairing screw posts and such with JB Weld, once it sets can it be
worked fairly easily with emery boards? when joining
2 parts together, is an instant glue best then filling and shaping
imperfections? I have done auto body work, so I know that
speed is not always a part of a nice finished product, and I am old
enough to understand patience. AKA: tired and need a nap;
hungry for a cookie; thirsty; stiff and need to stretch; the urges that
require specific porcelain fixtures; cleaning my spectacles;
taking the next dose of medications; etc.
then there is molding new parts. I have been reading on molds, making
molds, and the use of them. pretty straight forward and
common sense, but what kind of casting material is anyone using? long
time ago I played with Clear Cast, but it is heavy and brittle.
is there something new, more forgiving if dropped? more elastic and
lighter? maybe something that can be brushed on, even a
curved surface and not have to be so thick? I am seeing ways to make
molds with an inside and outside so as to get a thinner
casting. to make a new car body, is the 2 pc mold best or cast 4 sides
and glue them together? any opinions on coloring the
material for color completely through or painting the final product.
painting after assembly seems smartest to have even color
and cover any blemishes, especially if you have a sprue to trim off.
maybe a trip to the local craft shop tomorrow is in order, but
with your help I might sound more educated than the kid selling the
stuff, and know what I am looking for. thanks for any opinions, paul
Group: S-Trains Message: 67491 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Tiger in your tank
Now that's neat! It looks like the original advertising art for Esso/Humble stations. Now all you need is a Pontiac dealership nearby with their GTO Tiger advertising!
Good job, Mr. Gator!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 67492 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Stumpy's Staion on My Flyer Trains
Chuck Harrington has just posted the January "Stumpy's Station" article on his My Flyer Trains website. We're planning on this being a monthly thing in 2012, with articles, stories, how to guides, and all sorts of things of interest to train folks, particularly in S gauge.
Check it out and we hope you enjoy our efforts. You'll find it at myflyertrains.org
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 67493 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: Seaboard Baldwin's
Thanks for the information, as they are going to be shelve pieces. But I will make sure they do run well first before I buy them. I know the M Stl Baldwin has issues.

Believe it or not, the TCA grading guide is for appearance only, not operability, as yes, we should always make sure the trains work right before buying no matter what we are doing with them.

Mike

From: schwartzsj@...
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 8:47 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Seaboard Baldwin's


Mike:

Be careful with ANY Baldwin! When they wear a bit, and weren't lubricated properly (most trains) they have a tendency to overheat and burn out. You may be paying a premium for a pretty shell. When buying ALWAYS allow for what you DON'T see. We tend to get so blinded by the excitement of seeing a rare item "in the flesh", that we overlook obvious flaws.

I often wonder what methods the price guide publishers use to determine price. I suspect there's a bit of "mumbo jumbo" involved.

Please note: message attached

From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Seaboard Baldwin's
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:32:29 -0500

__________________________________________________________
57 Year Old Looks 27
Local Woman Reveals Wrinkle Secret That Has Doctors Angry.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67494 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Kit bashing and molding
This is a vast and detailed subject. There are at least a dozen pretty good products available now for both molds and casting resins. However, the quality of the final effort most often hinges on the design and quality of the patterns or masters to be molded.
I started to play around with this in the eighties and at that time about the only outfit that would sell direct in realistic amounts was Cast-O-Lite out of Chicago. They had been around since the early fifties and sold what amounted to fiberglas resin. It set hard enough to be a pain to drill shape, and sand, yet broke easliy as it was brittle. They sold various grades of RTV (room temperature vulcanizing) silicone that would allow you to use various resins and molten metals.
I cast a number of O scale "toy" cars to look like old diecast vehicles, and some HO scale skeleton logs cars. But the material was poor for modeling and expensive.
I tried Alumilite in the late nineties and found it much better. I did O scale skeleton log cars and O scale tracked dozers and some twenties era military tanks.
In 2004, I tried the resins and silicone molding materials from Micro Mark. The mix for making molds or casting resin is a very convenient 50/50 and the base quantity of quart containers is about right for short runs of things which I do from time to time. The resin when hard is easy to cut, sand, drill, and otherwise work with. My wife liked that there is no offensive smell!
I made S scale skeleton cars, some customizing parts for Terry Putt's four wheel diesels, and small structure walls to make about a dozen differnt buildings for my display layout. I also did a few O scale Brill Trolley kits for the local O gauge club.
Resin casting can be a little expensive, complicated, and messy. Making the patterns or masters is often much more time consumming that the rest of the process altogether! But once you have poured that first casting, you can make many more identicle pieces without having to build each one! It is also a very rewarding experience.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 67495 From: Paul Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: paint removal
Thanks John,
I bet I have 2 or 3 partial quarts of opened brake fluid in the garage.
good way to use it and be sure it never gets
put into a brake system since it has supposedly pulled in water. I
always seem to buy the quart size since the price
is so close to a pint, never have had to go get more on a brake job. paul

On 1/1/2012 7:32 PM, johntech wrote:
>
> Hi Paul
>
> I personally have used brake fluid to remove the paint on the AF 370
> diesel.
> It took about 1/2 hour and a tooth brush. I had a box that the shell would
> fit into and lined it with a plastic bag that I put the brake fluid in
> to soak.
> It cleaned up real nice and the tooth brush got into all the cracks
> and crevices
>
> ***NOTE*** use a q-tip and test on the INSIDE of the shell BEFORE you put
> any plastic into the brake fluid to see if there is any reaction to
> the plastic.
>
> John
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67496 From: Timboy Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: kit bashing and molding
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Paul <dilly@...> wrote:
>
> I used the subject line so those uninterested could skip this thread.
> for that matter, anyone with ideas and wanting to
> remain anonymous can mail me directly. I think it is a relevant subject
> to many of us.
> when creating an never offered item, what works well as a filler or
> building agent (bondo) to get a new form? I see comments
> on repairing screw posts and such with JB Weld, once it sets can it be
> worked fairly easily with emery boards? when joining
> 2 parts together, is an instant glue best then filling and shaping
> imperfections? I have done auto body work, so I know that
> speed is not always a part of a nice finished product, and I am old
> enough to understand patience. AKA: tired and need a nap;
> hungry for a cookie; thirsty; stiff and need to stretch; the urges that
> require specific porcelain fixtures; cleaning my spectacles;
> taking the next dose of medications; etc.
> then there is molding new parts. I have been reading on molds, making
> molds, and the use of them. pretty straight forward and
> common sense, but what kind of casting material is anyone using? long
> time ago I played with Clear Cast, but it is heavy and brittle.
> is there something new, more forgiving if dropped? more elastic and
> lighter? maybe something that can be brushed on, even a
> curved surface and not have to be so thick? I am seeing ways to make
> molds with an inside and outside so as to get a thinner
> casting. to make a new car body, is the 2 pc mold best or cast 4 sides
> and glue them together? any opinions on coloring the
> material for color completely through or painting the final product.
> painting after assembly seems smartest to have even color
> and cover any blemishes, especially if you have a sprue to trim off.
> maybe a trip to the local craft shop tomorrow is in order, but
> with your help I might sound more educated than the kid selling the
> stuff, and know what I am looking for. thanks for any opinions, paul
>
Paul,

I use spackling.

Regards,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 67497 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Progress at Hospital Corner
Hi All,

I've posted 9 photos of hospital corner on my under construction layout. Hospital corner includes the hospital, Frosty Bar, police station, bank, Middletown Station and Uptown Motors. You can see the first photo here:

http://tinyurl.com/6wygmqh

From here you can scroll through the rest of the new photos and can also view some older ones.

The next area to attack is the suburbs!

Have fun and enjoy.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 67498 From: johntech Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Staion on My Flyer Trains
I read your first artical and looking forward to learning more from you

John
----- Original Message -----
From: mrstumpy50
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 8:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Stumpy's Staion on My Flyer Trains



Chuck Harrington has just posted the January "Stumpy's Station" article on his My Flyer Trains website. We're planning on this being a monthly thing in 2012, with articles, stories, how to guides, and all sorts of things of interest to train folks, particularly in S gauge.
Check it out and we hope you enjoy our efforts. You'll find it at myflyertrains.org
Stumpy in Ahia





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Group: S-Trains Message: 67499 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: paint removal
I have found fiberglass beads to work well for me. (The very finest grade
you can find).40-50 PSI is adequate for plastic parts . Metal locos can use
up to 80 PSI
Steve


In a message dated 1/1/2012 4:07:00 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
dilly@... writes:




Happy New Year All, this is slightly off topic, but very S train and
hobby orientated. someone must have been before me and
maybe can help me learn about stripping paint off out metal or plastic
train bodies without doing damage. are pasty liquid
chemical strippers best? anyone had luck with a home built cabinet and
blasting media? maybe the 40/100 crushed walnut
shells I find on E-Bay, or will they be too coarse and need too much air
pressure? lots of hand work with super fine steel wool?
I do not want to hurt any details, rivets and such. I do plan on finding
a good filler and sealer primer to use before the final coat.
I have seen threads on what paint is a close match to ACG's offerings
long ago, but not much on preparation work. thanks one
and all for thoughts and leads, paul from the flatter part of Ohio than
Stumpy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 67500 From: sgaugian Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: u33's ,challengers,& more
Thanks. So you have your TMCC command base and Legacy command base wired to coexist. I had mine that way for awhile, but never found myself using either Cab1, just the 2 Cab 2s, so the TMCC cb is in the workshop for bench testing purposes. Then again, I'm not sure how many times we been simultaneously running 4 engines off the 2 Cab 2s. Can do so pretty easily with 3 loops. Will have to try and see. Thanks again for getting back to me.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67501 From: Ray Cook Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: paint removal
With great success, I've used Fantastik to remove paint. Nice as it's easy to get, won't hurt plastics, and leaves your piece clean.  Formula 409 should work as well. Leave it soak overnight, then scrub any leftover paint with a toothbrush.  Warm water rinse & you're good to go. Hope that helps.                        Ray Cook; starting to snow in Irwin, PA



________________________________
From: Paul <dilly@...>
To: S Trains mailing list <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 4:58 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] paint removal

Happy New Year All, this is slightly off topic, but very S train and
hobby orientated. someone must have been before me and
maybe can help me learn about stripping paint off out metal or plastic
train bodies without doing damage. are pasty liquid
chemical strippers best? anyone had luck with a home built cabinet and
blasting media? maybe the 40/100 crushed walnut
shells I find on E-Bay, or will they be too coarse and need too much air
pressure? lots of hand work with super fine steel wool?
I do not want to hurt any details, rivets and such. I do plan on finding
a good filler and sealer primer to use before the final coat.
I have seen threads on what paint is a close match to ACG's offerings
long ago, but not much on preparation work. thanks one
and all for thoughts and leads,  paul from the flatter part of Ohio than
Stumpy


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67502 From: Paul Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: kitbashing, casting, & paint removal
Thank you everyone who has responded so far. I had forgotten all about
auto spot putty. used it a bunch years ago when I did auto paint and
body work.
quick answer to those concerned about my project, no it is not anything
that has been lately if ever offered in "S." I am not copying or
updating the
work of someone else. I do appreciate the reminder though. I feel the
same way, if one has put time, sweat, and thought into a project, he
deserves the
credit and monetary reward if he chooses produce enough for sale. I now
have the ideas to proceed, and knowledge about several different ways to
attack this and better ideas on media to use from start to finish. I
will document and take pictures as I go in case anyone else is
interested. I will not be
starting this for a few weeks, so if anyone else has suggestions, please
jump in. thanks again, paul
Group: S-Trains Message: 67503 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: What am I missing? Now Complete Railroad System
Recently Tom Seccia noted the importance of the 4622T wiring diagram in
completing this set. Thanks to AF collector Lonny Beno, I now have a
large size and readable scan of this wiring diagram on the American
Flyer Displays <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org> web site, in case
any of you ever find yourself needing such a diagram or are just curious
as to how the accessories in this set were wired using DC power for the
trains. The scan is available in both its original light lettering on
dark background (blueprint style) or a reversed and somewhat easier to
read black on white version.

Dale Smith

On 12/19/2011 7:49 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote:
>
> Hi David,
> � The Complete Railroad System Set #4622 consisted of 2 sets of trains
> - ... Most important thing to complete this set is the #4622T Wiring
> Diagram.
> � Tom Seccia
>
> ________________________________
> From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...
> <mailto:bull_gator_1%40yahoo.com>>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:02 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What am I missing? Now Complete Railroad System
>
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> What is the Complete Railroad System?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Al,
> > The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were
> very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System,
> which is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until
> 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most
> likely went between $3,000 and $8,000.
> > Tom Seccia
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Alfred <areibel@...>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing?
> >
> >
> > Â
> > I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction
> number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they
> were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it
> rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one
> has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special?
> > Thanks,
> > Al Reibel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67504 From: Dale Smith Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: What am I missing? Now Complete Railroad System
P.S.

The direct link to the diagram is
http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/promotional_layout_images/4622t.jpg or
http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/promotional_layout_images/4622t-bonw.jpg
for the black on white version.

Dale

On 1/1/2012 9:44 PM, Dale F. Smith wrote:
> Recently Tom Seccia noted the importance of the 4622T wiring diagram
> in completing this set. Thanks to AF collector Lonny Beno, I now
> have a large size and readable scan of this wiring diagram on the
> American Flyer Displays <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org> web
> site, in case any of you ever find yourself needing such a diagram or
> are just curious as to how the accessories in this set were wired
> using DC power for the trains. The scan is available in both its
> original light lettering on dark background (blueprint style) or a
> reversed and somewhat easier to read black on white version.
>
> Dale Smith
>
> On 12/19/2011 7:49 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote:
>>
>> Hi David,
>> � The Complete Railroad System Set #4622 consisted of 2 sets of
>> trains - ... Most important thing to complete this set is the #4622T
>> Wiring Diagram.
>> � Tom Seccia
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...
>> <mailto:bull_gator_1%40yahoo.com>>
>> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:02 PM
>> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What am I missing? Now Complete Railroad System
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> What is the Complete Railroad System?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> David
>>
>> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Al,
>> > The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were
>> very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System,
>> which is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until
>> 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most
>> likely went between $3,000 and $8,000.
>> > Tom Seccia
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Alfred <areibel@...>
>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM
>> > Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing?
>> >
>> >
>> > Â
>> > I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction
>> number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they
>> were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it
>> rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one
>> has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special?
>> > Thanks,
>> > Al Reibel
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67505 From: Roy Meissner Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: resin casating
To All
Resin casting has come a long way from what it was a few years ago. There are many kinds or resin, different strength, cure time, pot life ect. Rubber for molds is much better also. It would be impossible to cover all aspects of resin casting here, but I will try to hit a few of the important points. I have been doing a lot of casting the last few years, but still have a lot to learn. The most importand thing is a good pattern. You can build a pattern or draw one on a CAD program and have the pattern made through rapid prototyping. You have to be careful of undercuts. You may have to made a 2 or 3 part mold. Much of the resin you hear about cures in a few minutes. Most of the resin I use cures from 5 hours to 16 hours, depending on what I am casting. You often need a longer pot life as it may take a few minutes to pour a mold, or you might pour many molds a the same time. You will get the best results if you use a pressure pot after you poured the mold. Again with a resin with a longer pot life as you need time to get the molds in to the pressure pot. You can make a pattern hollow to cut down on resin and weight. Resin is not cheap. The resin you get from Micro Mark is good resin. They have different cure times depending on your needs. I get my resin from Eagar Polymers in Chicago. It is cheaper and and I can get larger quanities. You can get up to barrel quantities. I will try to answer any other questions you may have.

Roy J Meissner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67506 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 1/1/2012
Subject: Re: The Crash Test
Stumpy,

You, my friend, are a sage. That last line was poetry. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Bruce



From: mrstumpy50
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 8:44 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] The Crash Test



I've seen a Hell of a lot of auto crashes over the years, and they aren't any prettier today than they were back in the fifties! I wouldn't want to be in EITHER the 2009 or the 1959 Chevy! I find it REAL hard to believe the driver of the '09 Chevy would have had just a minor knee injury, air bag or not! One of our local town cops was hospitalized for a month after a similar crash; Brand new '10 Impala police car vs.'08 Ford Fusion.
As stated, cars SHOULD be safer today! Both Volvo and Mercedes were years ahead of the US automakers on safety until the government turned up the wick! Unfortunately, today's drivers are worse than they were in 1959!
You might also ask why it took fifty years for gas mileage to increase after so many years of little or no change! Most "car guys" know the technology has existed for a long time.
As for the test, the '59 Chevy was an excellent choice to use for this test as it had the notoriously poor "X" frame, as did most "full size" GM cars from '58 through '63. Ride was better than earlier GM cars because the frames flexed so much, but handling, strength and durability had been sacrificed. The "X" was replaced by the standard "ladder" type frame again by the 1964 models.
I cannot argue that everything made back in those days was great, but at least you could tell a Chevy apart from a Ford, from a Plymouth, from a Studebaker. You could tell a Lionel from an American Flyer back then too, but neither of them ran or looked as good as a Bachmann train today.
Nostalgis has little to do with reality sometimes, but everything to do with pleasant memories. Leave us old folks our nostalgia please.
Stumpy in Ahia





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Group: S-Trains Message: 67507 From: Paul Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: The Crash Test
I stripped a bunch out of this for readability, but I have to admit or
brag about Ford's Crown Victoria from 1988. sequential fuel injection
and a roller
cam from the factory in a 5.0 (302) easily pulled 29-30 mpg when it was
new. did drop a little (27 or so) with 5 people and air at full tilt. I
know of
others that did the same so it wasn't a quirk.
>
> From: mrstumpy50
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 8:44 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] The Crash Test
>
> <snip>
> You might also ask why it took fifty years for gas mileage to increase
> after so many years of little or no change! Most "car guys" know the
> technology has existed for a long time.
> <snip>, but at least you could tell a Chevy apart from a Ford, from a
> Plymouth, from a Studebaker.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67508 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Progress at Hospital Corner
________________________________

From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 1, 2012 9:28:55 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Progress at Hospital Corner


James
Hi All,

I've posted 9 photos of hospital corner on my under construction layout.
Hospital corner includes the hospital, Frosty Bar, police station, bank,
Middletown Station and Uptown Motors. You can see the first photo here:

http://tinyurl.com/6wygmqh

From here you can scroll through the rest of the new photos and can also view
some older ones.

The next area to attack is the suburbs!

Have fun and enjoy.

BG1



  Nice, did you use s are o scale plasticville, it all looked very neat and
close to scale, dont know about that ford dealership thou, need more pickups
hehe what did you use for the roadway? striping

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67509 From: Timboy Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Progress at Hospital Corner
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've posted 9 photos of hospital corner on my under construction layout. Hospital corner includes the hospital, Frosty Bar, police station, bank, Middletown Station and Uptown Motors. You can see the first photo here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6wygmqh
>
> From here you can scroll through the rest of the new photos and can also view some older ones.
>
> The next area to attack is the suburbs!
>
> Have fun and enjoy.
>
> BG1
>
BG1:

Nice road! Very clean & neatly organized. Nice job! And you dare to uncouple on a curve. Lol

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 67510 From: Dave Winslow Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: The Crash Test
On 12/31/2011 11:44 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote:

SNIP

> As stated, cars SHOULD be safer today! Both Volvo and
> Mercedes were years ahead of the US automakers on safety
> until the government turned up the wick!

And car buyers continued to show their preference, via their
buying, for American cars without such supposed safety
advantages. The auto makers built what we wanted.

> Unfortunately, today's drivers are worse than they were in 1959!
> You might also ask why it took fifty years for gas mileage
> to increase after so many years of little or no change!

I sure don't know what years those were. 1940's had about 75
hp, after the war the HP race began reaching about 4 times
that amount by late late 50's. Gas millage remained about
what it was. Again, they gave us what we wanted, stylish
cars with lots of power. Throw in automatic transmissions,
power brakes and steering, AC -- the point being, there were
lots of improvements, and not "no change". One can wish the
kind of change was different, but I say, the change was what
the public called for. I was there (as I'm sure you were),
and I loved it.

When government started demanding things around 1968, the
whole industry began to die. First it was concern over air
pollution that brought about detuning of engines, then
vulnerability to low speed fender benders called for
expensive and heavy bumper systems. Then it was safety, seat
belts that very few used, and annoying interlocks and
buzzers to force us to do so. And then, millage having
tumbled under the weight of heavier cars and retarding
timing to reduce emissions, bigger engines in an attempt to
overcome the reduced performance, along comes millage
requirements.

When the horribly mismanaged gas crisis of the 70's, which
followed a horrible mismanaged policy concerning the fuel
the drives everything, the coffin was nearly built. Damaged
by the need to respond to government, no longer responding
to we the driving public, the industry tried slowly to
downsize vehicles to compete with the Japanese -- and failed.

All the while government made laws, without regard to
unexpected, unconsidered consequences. Our representatives
seemed to think they could just demand; hey, there ought to
be a law, and there would be no consequences. It diverted
the attention from market forces, i.e. the demands of the
public, to inflexible and poorly formed government
regulation. There was plenty of innovation going on, but the
auto industry wasn't working for us anymore.

As for the technology that brought about the high millage
and clean burning of today, it was absolutely not available
back then. Its all driven by computer, and could not be done
otherwise. Early mechanical fuel injection is not good
enough, and not cheap enough, the better millage of foreign
cars was due mostly to being lighter and having smaller
engines. We didn't have on board computers until the 80's,
and of course by then, US automakers had lost anything like
the leadership it once had.

It is the free market, its flexibility, responsiveness,
competitive ideas and methods, that drive the evolution of
technology, and it is the heavy hand of government that
kills it.

> Most "car guys" know the technology has existed for a
> long time.

I am a car guy and I say you are dead wrong.

It takes more than concepts to make an affordable vehicle
the public will buy. Sure we had mechanical fuel injection,
how many of those were sold? And sure we had high output,
pointless ignitions systems, which by themselves did little
to increase millage. We did not have feedback from engine
sensors, or any place for such to be collected and acted
upon. We did not have the computer. It is the feedback
control systems implemented by on board computers that made
it all possible.

Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 67511 From: Scott Freeman Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Minicraft Type House
Montblanc buildings are buildings Monty Knapp built useing left over parts from Minicraft after Minicraft went out of Bussness. Montblanc Buildings are normally painted different colors and more decorated like the one you have is.
 
Scott


________________________________
From: Brady Burdge <brady@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 6:16 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Minicraft Type House



 

I found this house at an antique store, looks like a detailed version
of the 161 Bungalow..

http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/2802992227

The bottom is stamped "Montblanc Models Park Ridge NJ".

Does anyone have any info on this outfit, or Minicraft itself?

Brady Burdge



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67512 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: The Crash Test
Interesting you should mention the seat belt interlock system. That unit existed one year only, I believe--1974. The first thing I did when my new '74 TransAm was delivered was to disconnect it so I could start the car without having to buckle up. It was easy to find (under the driver's seat between the floorboard and the bottom of the seat) and easy to disconnect--like disconnecting a power cord hooked in tandem. I believe they only lasted one year because of the outcry from the public at the time and the fact that just about everybody was disconnecting them anyway.

Typical Government involvement and overkill.

Bruce



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dave Winslow" <davidwin@...>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 4:44 AM
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Crash Test


>
> When government started demanding things around 1968, the
> whole industry began to die. First it was concern over air
> pollution that brought about detuning of engines, then
> vulnerability to low speed fender benders called for
> expensive and heavy bumper systems. Then it was safety, seat
> belts that very few used, and annoying interlocks and
> buzzers to force us to do so.

Dave


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67513 From: Timboy Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Staion on My Flyer Trains
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Chuck Harrington has just posted the January "Stumpy's Station" article on his My Flyer Trains website. We're planning on this being a monthly thing in 2012, with articles, stories, how to guides, and all sorts of things of interest to train folks, particularly in S gauge.
> Check it out and we hope you enjoy our efforts. You'll find it at myflyertrains.org
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Stumpy:

I just read through you Guide for the first of what I'm sure will be many times. Brilliant!

OBTW, I use tea bags for tarps and such. They are already "weathered" after brewing and drying.

I noticed that your Guide has been looked at 98 times, yet I don't see much in the way of meaningful comments posted here in public about it. However, I suspect that your Guide now resides on a few of our hard-drives. It will be on mine soon. I intend to print it out so that I can read it easier. I tried reading it on my Smartypants phone last night and had to give up until I could read it this morning on my desk-top. Apparently, you put a LOT of work preparing that Guide. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please don't become discouraged. There just isn't a Forum for the few guys like us who build American Flyer, so we reside where we can.

Keep up the great work! You are amassing a wonderful body of work. And thanks to Chuck Harrington for making his site available as a resource.

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 67514 From: Brady Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Progress at Hospital Corner
Very nice work


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 67515 From: Brady Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Staion on My Flyer Trains
<<...And thanks to Chuck Harrington for making his site available as a resource. >>

I'll second that!


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 67516 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: CIRCUS TRUCK PYRO? OR ALLIED?
American Flyer sheet metal S Gauge 4 wheel trucks were never close to Allied
Full Cushion in looks.

They might be considered something like a Symington or Barber plain bearing
style with the frame extensions past the outside of the journals.

The later diecast 4 wheel trucks were more like a AAR ("Bettendorf") type.

Charlie Vlk



Someone is selling an AF "PYRO" truck as being original to AF Circus Set. I
have always thought that AF had exclusively used Allied. Comments, please.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 67517 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: resin casating
Speaking of resin casting, does anyone have an early (with full wire
handrail provisions) junker O or S Scale American Flyer Royal Blue or Circus
shell they would be willing to loan or sell at a reasonable price? I want
to make a mold of one to make reduced size castings for N Scale. Recent
eBay offerings have been going for pretty stiff prices for poor condition
shells and complete locos that need work.

Ideally it would be one that needs to be restored so the paint could be
stripped down to bare metal. The process would be non-destructive to the
shell; only the wire handrails would need to be removed..if present, the
riveted-on valve gear and cab tender screw, etc.. would not be impacted by
the molding but the mold release and clay dam would likely impact the paint.
If necessary, one of the later locos with molded-in handrails can be used as
I can remove the handrails on the sub-master casting. I'd prefer not to
work with the Silver Bullet shells as they had modifications to the profile
that do not match the real locomotive.

If I can get one I'll make a mold off the tender body but the cast
sub-masters will require some work as the prototype tender has more and
smaller rivets than the Flyer sheet metal tender so I'd like to have the
tender as well.

Thanks,
Charlie Vlk



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67518 From: jeff silvera Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Off Subject--Girder & Panel Sets
Check this Site out, I think they still have the Girder & Panel Sets.  Jeff S......
 
 
http://www.bridgestreettoys.com/

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67519 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Posibility of new cars.
To All,

Over on the scale side of things(cough) they are having a small problem.
Someone wants to build a new car (flat car), but they have a problem getting enough ordersmade to make the car a go project. The only thing that wouldbe a proble for us is that it would not have wheelsets forhigh rail opperation. Would there be enough interest in something like this. I'm trying to help them by sending this out. They think we don't care Stumpy, I like what you have done. Keep it up.
Thanks,
Alan
Group: S-Trains Message: 67520 From: Ben Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Wobbly steamers...
I have a #343 and a #21004 that wobble terribly down the track. The #343 will jump the track at higher speeds, and the #21004 has done the same at least once.

They wobble side to side- and it is visibly noticeable when looking at them head on and just in general.

I have never seen this before. Where should I start to diagnose? Bent axles? Uneven PullMor tires (I am very unfamiliar with these...)? Quartering?

I have not bench tested these locos yet. I am curious what I will find when I place them upside down in a cradle and look at the wheels from above as they spin with power applied.

Thanks for any direction forum members might be able to offer-

Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 67521 From: John Degnan Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: NEW S Scale "SEMI-KIT" available soon!
A friend of mine from the HO scale side of the hobby has custom built a master for a SEABOARD AIR LINE class F-6 flat car for me, and is offering this model as a SEMI-KIT. As such, it will consist ONLY of the body and deck... no trucks, no couplers, no weight and no other details. He is selling these for about $30 each. Refer to the link below to see a photo of the master :

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/ChadBoasSScaleSALFlat.JPG

Two photos of the SAL prototype can be seen at the links below :

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SAL/SAL47360.jpg

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SAL/SAL47496.jpg

(All links were tested before message posted. If you can't get them to work, contact me off-list.)

This model is configured for the scale modeler, but can be adapted for AF compatability.

I am working on having decals made for this model, but they will not be ready at the time the model is.

These kits were sold for $15 in HO scale, and they are fantastic!

If anyone would like to get in on this model, please contact Chad Boas VERY SOON to reserve yours.

Chad's E-Mail : chadboas@...

Thanks.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67522 From: John F. Rodgers Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: paint removal
I put the shell into a vat of rubbing alcohol (91%)and let it soak for
several hours even over night. I doesn't seem to hurt the plastic and the
paint comes off with a tooth brush. It dries in a few mintues after being
removed and you can paint pretty quickly. Do not use any paint remover as
that will damage the plastic. I learned the hard way.







John F. Rodgers



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67523 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Progress at Hospital Corner
Hi Tim,

Everyone should live on the ragged edge and uncouple on curves - lol.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've posted 9 photos of hospital corner on my under construction layout. Hospital corner includes the hospital, Frosty Bar, police station, bank, Middletown Station and Uptown Motors. You can see the first photo here:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/6wygmqh
> >
> > From here you can scroll through the rest of the new photos and can also view some older ones.
> >
> > The next area to attack is the suburbs!
> >
> > Have fun and enjoy.
> >
> > BG1
> >
> BG1:
>
> Nice road! Very clean & neatly organized. Nice job! And you dare to uncouple on a curve. Lol
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67524 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Progress at Hospital Corner
Hi James,

I use Plasticville buildings - most are marked O/S on the boxes. Remember that my layout is set on April 17, 1964 the day the Mustang was introduced. That's why the Ford dealership is full of Mustangs! I use Great Plains KwikStripe 3mm model striping tape for the road stripes. I found it on eBay.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, January 1, 2012 9:28:55 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Progress at Hospital Corner
>
>
> James
> Hi All,
>
> I've posted 9 photos of hospital corner on my under construction layout.
> Hospital corner includes the hospital, Frosty Bar, police station, bank,
> Middletown Station and Uptown Motors. You can see the first photo here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6wygmqh
>
> From here you can scroll through the rest of the new photos and can also view
> some older ones.
>
> The next area to attack is the suburbs!
>
> Have fun and enjoy.
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>   Nice, did you use s are o scale plasticville, it all looked very neat and
> close to scale, dont know about that ford dealership thou, need more pickups
> hehe what did you use for the roadway? striping
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67525 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Off Subject--Girder & Panel Sets
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Sar Flyer Club
� Arlington, Texas
 
Jeff,
 
Thanks for  posting this. Now That they have a Place I can go to in Dallas( Hobby town) got one closer in Arlington that I will check out. I will get my old set out and see what  can do to make it fit into S Scale. It's not going to take much. Just add one of the small cap off pieces to the bottom of the first girder to raise the hieght up for my Code 3 Fire engines and other 1/64 scale trucks. Thanks again.
Alan�

From: jeff silvera <afjeff_56@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 11:48 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Off Subject--Girder & Panel Sets


 
Check this Site out, I think they still have the Girder & Panel Sets.  Jeff S......
 
 
http://www.bridgestreettoys.com/

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67526 From: rick gough Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: K325 lacks pulling power
Bob, you need to 'turn' the commutator contacts to get a new flat surface. Also check between the contact plates for equal ohm readings. It's pretty easy to simply put in another armature and see what happens ..... I know you have lots in stock!


rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing


________________________________
From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
To: s-trains list <s-trains@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 12:35 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] K325 lacks pulling power


 
In one of the estates I'm selling is a K325 that runs and reverses just fine and smokes terrifically well.  But when I put three passenger cars behind it, it really struggles.  I have to give it a little push to get it started.  It does speed up a bit on a long straightaway, but slows down a lot with the extra strain of going around a curve.  I haven't bothered to try it on an incline.  My K325 pulls those same cars just fine, so it's not a problem of friction in the wheels of the cars.

I've cleaned the wheels, brushes, and commutator, and have greased the gears and oiled the linkages and axles.  I don't know what to do next.

What might cause this and how do I fix it?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67527 From: tbennerohio Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
Ben,
Check the rubber tires first, at least on the 343. I bought a 342 that waddled badly and would not make it through an AF switch without derailing. Removed the tires and it was like a new engine.

The 342 did not come with traction tires, someone had added them. Not sure if they came on the 343. If not the tires, check for loose rims. It is unlikely a bent axle. Those are pretty sturdy and if bent would bind the engine.

Have fun.

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67528 From: jim_marski Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: American Flyer Items FOR SALE
Starting to list hundreds of AF items for sale.

Greenburg AF Book Vol 1 Motive power and rolling stock- LN- $139
Greenburg AF Book Vol 2 Accessories etc- LN- $139
Greenburg AF Catalogs 1946-1955- LN- $249
23830 TOFC unloading set- New in box- box good condition- $99
918 AFL operating mail car- good cond but corner chip- $29
643 Wood circus flat- no cages/wood- moderate chipping- $45
643 Wood circus flat- no cages/wood- significant chipping- $35
661 Aluminum coach- Ex- cond- no rust nice polish- $89
21927 Santa Fe PA diesel- EX- condition- 2 small paint chips- runs good- $159
360/361 Chrome PA diesels- G to VG cond- chrome loss- missing horn- runs- $149
360/364 Santa Fe PA diesels- Good cond- runs- $129
23743 Track Maintenance car- Excellent cond- runs- $109
741 Handcar and shed- handcar EX minus, not running, shed VG- paint flakes at front corners where slight bend occurred- $99
48915 LTI Missouri Pacific Eagle View dome car- New in box- $49
49601 LTI Missouri Pacific Passenger set- Ex- VERY light use- $359
958 Mobilgas tank- Good cond- cast frame- $39
766/735 Guilford station, animated coach and switch in OB- Station VG with a scratch on back of sign, car EX, box VG no 766 label- $149
Gilbert figure set figure- New old stock- $20
Gilbert figure set man and wheelbarrow- New old stock- $30
Gilbert figure set wheel barrow- new old stock- $15
Gilbert figure set blue suit coat man waving hat- new old stock- $15
Gilbert figure set blue coat woman waving- new old stock- $15
Gilbert figure set fire hydrant- new old stock- $10
Gilbert figure set red seated lady- new old stock- $15
Gilbert new old stock Semaphore Sam man- $15
Gilbert workman for 596 baggage cart- tan overalls- new old stock- $25
Gilbert workman for 596 baggage cart- brown overalls- new old stock- $25
Gilbert figure set brown standing man- new old stock- $15
Gilbert figure set brown seated man- new old stock- $15

All prices plus shipping. Will send photos of any item you'd like.
Contact me off list at marski@...

Thanks,
Jim
Group: S-Trains Message: 67529 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
Check the rubber tires! I have had this problem and found the tires to be in decay.




To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: lbstiles@...
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:11:21 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Wobbly steamers...






I have a #343 and a #21004 that wobble terribly down the track. The #343 will jump the track at higher speeds, and the #21004 has done the same at least once.

They wobble side to side- and it is visibly noticeable when looking at them head on and just in general.

I have never seen this before. Where should I start to diagnose? Bent axles? Uneven PullMor tires (I am very unfamiliar with these...)? Quartering?

I have not bench tested these locos yet. I am curious what I will find when I place them upside down in a cradle and look at the wheels from above as they spin with power applied.

Thanks for any direction forum members might be able to offer-

Ben






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Group: S-Trains Message: 67530 From: Pat Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: American Models Pacific
I have recently aquired an American Models Pacific loco ( A/C Highrail ). It seams to have difficulty with electrical pickup from the rails. I don't believe the problem is with the trackage, because I also have an SHS 2-8-0, and it has no pick up issues over the same track. Has anyone else had a similar experience, and any ideas wehere I should start to solve the mystery quirk?
Pat, in Maine
Group: S-Trains Message: 67531 From: Jimbo Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: parts needed
cannot find a simple battery post puller on east coast my last hope is tractor supply unless someone seen one out in the midwest let me know will send the money for it so i can pull the wheel on my 301 unless it is expensive then would break down and buy the one from portlines

anyone have a extra 2 wire jack panel i can have/buy and a brush bracket the brushs are coil spring one i have is broken (currentlly super glued together)i know there for sale at portlines but there not open much this week gonna be hard to get ahold of them

and last item i purchased the nickrome wire for my 283 about how many coils should i put in it and how far apart 1/8? 3/8? tks vm James

jad01@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 67532 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: parts needed
James, try a Plumbing section of Home Depot & look for a faucet handle
puller. Mike in Ore (The Ducks Won)


In a message dated 1/2/2012 6:13:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
jad01@... writes:




cannot find a simple battery post puller on east coast my last hope is
tractor supply unless someone seen one out in the midwest let me know will
send the money for it so i can pull the wheel on my 301 unless it is expensive
then would break down and buy the one from portlines

anyone have a extra 2 wire jack panel i can have/buy and a brush bracket
the brushs are coil spring one i have is broken (currentlly super glued
together)i know there for sale at portlines but there not open much this week
gonna be hard to get ahold of them

and last item i purchased the nickrome wire for my 283 about how many
coils should i put in it and how far apart 1/8? 3/8? tks vm James

_jad01@..._ (mailto:jad01@...)






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Group: S-Trains Message: 67533 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 1/2/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
Remove the rubber tires completely and replace with new or non-rubber
wheels, or is there a way to just remove the rubber?

Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 67534 From: rdavis7813@sbcglobal.net Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Problem with Tmcc base and two separate tracks
I run TMCC or non TMCC engines on top loop and TMCC only on lower loop. Have one command base wired to both loops. Gets hectic running tmcc engine/horn up top and keep two TMCC engines on lower from running in to each other, so I sometimes want to run the upper TMCC engine in conventional mode and use OMS buttons to blow whistle. This leaving the cab-1 to control lower level.

As I understand it, command base is constantly emitting a signal so engines can detect how to run, so I tried using a knife switch to 'connect/disconnect' upper level cable to command base. When closed TMCC works fine up top. When I open the knife switch, the the upper trains still seem to think there is a command base connected. I beleive it is picking up the signal from the command base wired to the lower level track and won't switch to conventional mode up top. Only when I disconnect both wires will upper level TMCC engines run conventional.

Is the upper level picking up the signal? Is it posssible to run TMCC engines in conventional mode on one loop and TMCC on another loop at the same time? How can I hide the lower level signal?
Group: S-Trains Message: 67535 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: American Models Pacific
to the group:
if anyone knows this individual, please advise him that his website/
email address has been deleted by yahoo
On Jan 2, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Pat wrote:

> I have recently aquired an American Models Pacific loco ( A/C
> Highrail ). It seams to have difficulty with electrical pickup from
> the rails. I don't believe the problem is with the trackage,
> because I also have an SHS 2-8-0, and it has no pick up issues over
> the same track. Has anyone else had a similar experience, and any
> ideas wehere I should start to solve the mystery quirk?
> Pat, in Maine
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67536 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
Hi Ben,
                      All of the switchers should have a little skip while these are running.  The reason for this is that the drive gear in the switcher PA9473 is smaller the the PA10672 Drive Gear for the other locomotives.  The smoke gear PA10671 is the same for all the steam locomotives except the 21168, 21088, 21089 and the 21155.  Because of the different gear ratio you will experience a skip or a wobble.  If you replace the pull mor wheels you will not see a change.  Maybe someone in the group who is running a switcher cal tell you what I experienced when I had my layout.
                                                      Tom Seccia



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From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 12:11 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Wobbly steamers...


 
I have a #343 and a #21004 that wobble terribly down the track. The #343 will jump the track at higher speeds, and the #21004 has done the same at least once.

They wobble side to side- and it is visibly noticeable when looking at them head on and just in general.

I have never seen this before. Where should I start to diagnose? Bent axles? Uneven PullMor tires (I am very unfamiliar with these...)? Quartering?

I have not bench tested these locos yet. I am curious what I will find when I place them upside down in a cradle and look at the wheels from above as they spin with power applied.

Thanks for any direction forum members might be able to offer-

Ben




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67537 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: American Models Pacific
Check the wheel wipers for good contact. It's a common problem with AM
Pacifics. The wire to the reverse unit can be unsoldered at the wiper and not
noticed.

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 1/2/2012 7:13:05 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
preardon4girls@... writes:




I have recently aquired an American Models Pacific loco ( A/C Highrail ).
It seams to have difficulty with electrical pickup from the rails. I don't
believe the problem is with the trackage, because I also have an SHS 2-8-0,
and it has no pick up issues over the same track. Has anyone else had a
similar experience, and any ideas wehere I should start to solve the mystery
quirk?
Pat, in Maine






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Group: S-Trains Message: 67538 From: Jimbo Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Thanks
Thanks to eveyone who sent me emails about the parts, I was unsure who sold parts to the grp that was in the grp, someone suggested i post what i needed sunday at the chat room, wasnt all about price it was about keeping it in the group as much as possible, i knew except for the puller it wouldnt cost much and wanted to support when i can other s people dealers are just chat friends, nothing wrong with portline i plan on buying from them and have gotten items from joes purchased from him last mth at a show,and they worked great, so all you guys tks vm and gives me more information to use,
Group: S-Trains Message: 67539 From: johntech Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Model Railroad Craftsman April 2010
Would any of you happen to have the Model Railroad Craftsman April 2010 issue? There is an artical
that starts on page 68 Loading coal by Paul Mack that I would like to get a copy of.


Thanks

John Frankforther

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67540 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Problem with Tmcc base and two separate tracks
If it is in the same room it will probably see the TMCC signal.

Use different transformers to power each loop so both can run in
conventional if needed.
Or use a pair of Powermasters or TPCs for the loops. Then the whistles can
be controlled by the Cab-1 in conventional mode.

There is no way to set a TMCC loco to just run conventional without a
modification to the loco.

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of rdavis7813@...
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:01 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Problem with Tmcc base and two separate tracks



I run TMCC or non TMCC engines on top loop and TMCC only on lower loop.
Have one command base wired to both loops. Gets hectic running tmcc
engine/horn up top and keep two TMCC engines on lower from running in to
each other, so I sometimes want to run the upper TMCC engine in conventional
mode and use OMS buttons to blow whistle. This leaving the cab-1 to control
lower level.

As I understand it, command base is constantly emitting a signal so
engines can detect how to run, so I tried using a knife switch to
'connect/disconnect' upper level cable to command base. When closed TMCC
works fine up top. When I open the knife switch, the the upper trains still
seem to think there is a command base connected. I beleive it is picking up
the signal from the command base wired to the lower level track and won't
switch to conventional mode up top. Only when I disconnect both wires will
upper level TMCC engines run conventional.

Is the upper level picking up the signal? Is it posssible to run TMCC
engines in conventional mode on one loop and TMCC on another loop at the
same time? How can I hide the lower level signal?






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Group: S-Trains Message: 67541 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Fwd: Failure Notice
to the group:
if anyone knows who "preardon4girls@..." is, can you pass on
the following reject message from MAILER-DAEMON@...
thanks
Begin forwarded message:

> From: MAILER-DAEMON@...
> Date: January 2, 2012 8:43:29 PM PST
> To: clipper841@...
> Subject: Failure Notice
>
> Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following
> address.
>
> <preardon4girls@...>:
> Remote host said: 554 delivery error: dd Sorry your message to
> preardon4girls@... cannot be delivered. This account has been
> disabled or discontinued [#102]. - mta1024.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [BODY]
>

> To: preardon4girls@...
> From: "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...>
> Subject: Re: American Models Pacific
> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:43:25 -0800
> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1)
>
> if you bought this from a dealer, take it back to them, or send it to
> am, with proof of purchase
> check the warranty



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67542 From: Ben Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
Hi Tom-

This info about gear ratios is interesting. I have never had any trouble with my #342 wobbling down the track. It has no PullMor tires and has always run reliably.

I hope to get the #343 and 21004 working better- but I am also happy that they are not mainstays in my motive power collection. They can (and have) spent time on the shelf while other more reliable Pacifics handle a lot of the track time.

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ben,
All of the switchers should have a little skip while these are running.  The reason for this is that the drive gear in the switcher PA9473 is smaller the the PA10672 Drive Gear for the other locomotives.  The smoke gear PA10671 is the same for all the steam locomotives except the 21168, 21088, 21089 and the 21155.  Because of the different gear ratio you will experience a skip or a wobble.  If you replace the pull mor wheels you will not see a change.  Maybe someone in the group who is running a switcher cal tell you what I experienced when I had my layout.

Tom Seccia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 12:11 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Wobbly steamers...
>
>
>  
> I have a #343 and a #21004 that wobble terribly down the track. The #343 will jump the track at higher speeds, and the #21004 has done the same at least once.
>
> They wobble side to side- and it is visibly noticeable when looking at them head on and just in general.
>
> I have never seen this before. Where should I start to diagnose? Bent axles? Uneven PullMor tires (I am very unfamiliar with these...)? Quartering?
>
> I have not bench tested these locos yet. I am curious what I will find when I place them upside down in a cradle and look at the wheels from above as they spin with power applied.
>
> Thanks for any direction forum members might be able to offer-
>
> Ben
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67543 From: David Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: DROVERS CABOOSE (Advertisement)
Arriving in February 2012. We will have a NEW KIT for kit bashing your old AF cabooses. We will be offerig a "DROVERS CABOOSE" kit. Many railroads had what they called a DROVERS CABOOSE. This caboose style had a sliding door on each side used primarly for cargo being transported from a station to the next one up the line or maybe within a 50 mile range. Occasionally these cabooses were used to transport a pair or up to three horses, thus the name DROVERS CABOOSE. Tentative price will be some where in the $6.50 - $8.50 range.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872
Group: S-Trains Message: 67544 From: rick gough Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
 It's that really irritating problem that nobody has a clear explanation for. I kinda think it is usually due to a drive wheel beginning to separate but only slightly and not yet noticably, otherwise it would be traction rubber gone lumpy, 3rd wrong quartering. I did a complete custom repaint and restore to a nice 326 BIG hudson and it worked great in all ways except it wobbled down the straight. Bought a young 307 chassis, stole the pullmor drivers, gave them to the hudson, and it runs dead smooth. Decided to use the hudson's old drivers on a 302 atlantic project and in process of installing one of the drivers separated. Took both apart and JB Welded back together and they work just fine on that Atlantic. Win win after a lot of hassle. My 342 conversion, I added LBR thin traction bands glued on with a smear of JB and it runs great and with no wobble. Don't use super glue as it can set up too quickly and create out of round bands, and it doesn't have
the longevity of JB.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67545 From: wb4hay Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Legacy Controllers
Has anyone heard or have an idea when the 900 controllers are going to be available??
Group: S-Trains Message: 67546 From: Timboy Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Bucky's Beer
Flyer Nation:

I believe I have all of the carpentry work completed on this project. Next up will be the paint job. For pics and more details, you are all invited to visit the newest posting on my blog at:

http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2012/01/buckys-beer.html

If you can think of any other meaningful details for this micro-brewery, please don't hesitate to let me know; either in public or via emai - whichever you are more comfortable with.

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 67547 From: R G Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
Two common reasons make engines wobble.  First is the pull mor trackion tire is worn and uneven.  Second is when the metal tire and flange is loose or out of gauge .  I have seen some locomotives with the drive wheels so close together that the metal tire slips off the rail and the edge of the white plastic insulator is on the railhead.  Loose metal tires will cause the same problem.  The only other problem I have seen is a wheel not mounted squarely on the axle. Whe running on the work bench the flange appears to move in and out because is is not alinged properly.


________________________________
From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 9:24 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Wobbly steamers...


 
Hi Tom-

This info about gear ratios is interesting. I have never had any trouble with my #342 wobbling down the track. It has no PullMor tires and has always run reliably.

I hope to get the #343 and 21004 working better- but I am also happy that they are not mainstays in my motive power collection. They can (and have) spent time on the shelf while other more reliable Pacifics handle a lot of the track time.

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ben,
All of the switchers should have a little skip while these are running.  The reason for this is that the drive gear in the switcher PA9473 is smaller the the PA10672 Drive Gear for the other locomotives.  The smoke gear PA10671 is the same for all the steam locomotives except the 21168, 21088, 21089 and the 21155.  Because of the different gear ratio you will experience a skip or a wobble.  If you replace the pull mor wheels you will not see a change.  Maybe someone in the group who is running a switcher cal tell you what I experienced when I had my layout.

Tom Seccia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 12:11 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Wobbly steamers...
>
>
>  
> I have a #343 and a #21004 that wobble terribly down the track. The #343 will jump the track at higher speeds, and the #21004 has done the same at least once.
>
> They wobble side to side- and it is visibly noticeable when looking at them head on and just in general.
>
> I have never seen this before. Where should I start to diagnose? Bent axles? Uneven PullMor tires (I am very unfamiliar with these...)? Quartering?
>
> I have not bench tested these locos yet. I am curious what I will find when I place them upside down in a cradle and look at the wheels from above as they spin with power applied.
>
> Thanks for any direction forum members might be able to offer-
>
> Ben
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67548 From: Thorinn Marty Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Need highrail half axles with metal wheels
Good morning:

A powered ACE highrail wheelset consists of a metal 36" wheel and a 36" plastic
wheel on an axle. I cut these in half to get the metal wheel on a half axle.
(The plastic wheel on a too-short axle goes to my junk heap. Anyone need some?)

Athearn HO trucks use half axles. I just replace theirs with mine. It takes
two packages of four wheelsets to get 8 half axles.

Scale wheels are easy. The Athearn 42" HO wheel is almost exactly 33" in S. I
just replace the axle with a longer rod.

I need 52 or more 1/2 axles with 36" or 33" metal highrail wheels. Any
suggestions?
Thorin

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67549 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
Hi Ben,
� The 342 may not be as noticeable as the 343 or the 21004, but you should see a little skip because of the gear ratio.  The rubber on the pull mor wheels most likely causes the problem on the 343.  I ran my 21004 with a fair amount of time and it did a good job even with the skip and the wobble.  The rubber will grab the track more to increase the problem.
� Tom Seccia





________________________________
From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 9:24 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Wobbly steamers...


 
Hi Tom-

This info about gear ratios is interesting. I have never had any trouble with my #342 wobbling down the track. It has no PullMor tires and has always run reliably.

I hope to get the #343 and 21004 working better- but I am also happy that they are not mainstays in my motive power collection. They can (and have) spent time on the shelf while other more reliable Pacifics handle a lot of the track time.

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ben,
All of the switchers should have a little skip while these are running.  The reason for this is that the drive gear in the switcher PA9473 is smaller the the PA10672 Drive Gear for the other locomotives.  The smoke gear PA10671 is the same for all the steam locomotives except the 21168, 21088, 21089 and the 21155.  Because of the different gear ratio you will experience a skip or a wobble.  If you replace the pull mor wheels you will not see a change.  Maybe someone in the group who is running a switcher cal tell you what I experienced when I had my layout.

Tom Seccia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 12:11 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Wobbly steamers...
>
>
>  
> I have a #343 and a #21004 that wobble terribly down the track. The #343 will jump the track at higher speeds, and the #21004 has done the same at least once.
>
> They wobble side to side- and it is visibly noticeable when looking at them head on and just in general.
>
> I have never seen this before. Where should I start to diagnose? Bent axles? Uneven PullMor tires (I am very unfamiliar with these...)? Quartering?
>
> I have not bench tested these locos yet. I am curious what I will find when I place them upside down in a cradle and look at the wheels from above as they spin with power applied.
>
> Thanks for any direction forum members might be able to offer-
>
> Ben
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67550 From: semaphorsignal Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Signal Wiring for Crossover Help
Hi,

I'm building a new flyer layout and I will have two seperate loops with one crossover. I would like to have the crossover use four signals for automatic stop and go protection, in both directions. This is easily accomplished with three rail track and two relays, but seems to be more complicated with two rail.

Does anyone on this list know how to do this?

Thanks,
Jack
Group: S-Trains Message: 67551 From: flyerguy63 Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: steamer converted to DC
Hi everyone
I recently converted my steamer to a DC can motor and for a reverser I used a radio shack part # 176-1185 full wave rectifier with a dpdt switch. The loco works fine in forward and reverse but my problem is my # 714 log dump car has problems lifting the 3 logs and works very erratically. Any help

Mark
south NJ Flyer fan
Group: S-Trains Message: 67552 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
While these are known problems that make steam locomotives wobble and derail, it would not solve the problem with the switchers if the switchers had good rubber and the rims were attached properly.  The 0-8-0 switchers and the 0-6-0 switchers will still have a skip because of the gear ratio difference.  The 21155 0-6-0 Docksider does not have the problem because the PA15A019 smoke gear and thePA15A018 Drive Gear have the same number of teeth.  I don't have a PA9463 Drive Gear in stock to count the number of teeth, but it absolutely has less teeth than than the PA10672 Drive Gear and the PA10671 and PA10A671 Smoke Gears. The reason is because the drive wheels on the switchers are smaller than those on the larger steam Locomotives.

� Tom Seccia


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From: R G <keyhole_corona@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Wobbly steamers...


 
Two common reasons make engines wobble.  First is the pull mor trackion tire is worn and uneven.  Second is when the metal tire and flange is loose or out of gauge .  I have seen some locomotives with the drive wheels so close together that the metal tire slips off the rail and the edge of the white plastic insulator is on the railhead.  Loose metal tires will cause the same problem.  The only other problem I have seen is a wheel not mounted squarely on the axle. Whe running on the work bench the flange appears to move in and out because is is not alinged properly.

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From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 9:24 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Wobbly steamers...

 
Hi Tom-

This info about gear ratios is interesting. I have never had any trouble with my #342 wobbling down the track. It has no PullMor tires and has always run reliably.

I hope to get the #343 and 21004 working better- but I am also happy that they are not mainstays in my motive power collection. They can (and have) spent time on the shelf while other more reliable Pacifics handle a lot of the track time.

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ben,
All of the switchers should have a little skip while these are running.  The reason for this is that the drive gear in the switcher PA9473 is smaller the the PA10672 Drive Gear for the other locomotives.  The smoke gear PA10671 is the same for all the steam locomotives except the 21168, 21088, 21089 and the 21155.  Because of the different gear ratio you will experience a skip or a wobble.  If you replace the pull mor wheels you will not see a change.  Maybe someone in the group who is running a switcher cal tell you what I experienced when I had my layout.

Tom Seccia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 12:11 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Wobbly steamers...
>
>
>  
> I have a #343 and a #21004 that wobble terribly down the track. The #343 will jump the track at higher speeds, and the #21004 has done the same at least once.
>
> They wobble side to side- and it is visibly noticeable when looking at them head on and just in general.
>
> I have never seen this before. Where should I start to diagnose? Bent axles? Uneven PullMor tires (I am very unfamiliar with these...)? Quartering?
>
> I have not bench tested these locos yet. I am curious what I will find when I place them upside down in a cradle and look at the wheels from above as they spin with power applied.
>
> Thanks for any direction forum members might be able to offer-
>
> Ben
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67553 From: Lou Templeton Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Lionel Repair Shop
HI Folks, The fan on the smoke unit of my Challenger stopped working, so I
called Lionel repair and got a return authorization number and was given
the address to send it in Canfield. Ohio. I asked the person if I could
deliver it in person. The answer was yes but they were running about two
weeks out on repairs. Since Canfield is only 1:15 from my home, I deceided
to deliver it in person. When I arrived at the repair location, I was
immediately escorted upstairs to a repairman and the young man looked at my
engine and had it apart in no time. A new fan motor was installed and the
engine was taken to the test track while I watched the whole proceedure.
They could't have been any more accommodating. So I guess there is one on
the plus side for Lionel. Maybe they are trying to change their iimmage.

Lou Templeton
Hickory,PA


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67554 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Weekends in PA
Saturday & Sunday the Pequea Valley Model Railroaders will have their FIVE
operating layouts open for visitors, Paradise Township Building, Rt 30 &
Township Drive, Paradise, PA. THREE of our layouts are interactive with
buttons to push to operate trains and trolleys, move cattle, light lights,
sound horns and whistles, etc. Our THOMAS by Bachmann layout features
THOMAS and PERCY at kids eye level, with an original sounding British steam
whistle, a new offering from DALLEE Electronics. Our "S" layout features
American Flyer and other "S" brands on an 8 X 18 layout. Our "O" gauge
Christmas layout features WILIAMS by Bachmann O trains running flawlessly. MORE
WILLIAMS and some MTH will be found on the 1955 D-148 repro Lionel layout
loaned to us by NTTM. Glenn Ritter's educational "S" layout rounds out
number 5. Glenn designed the layout to be moved and set up by one person. It
runs the second of our two "S" circus trains on display.
Admission donation is $2.00 per Adult, 12 & under FREE, FREE Parking, too.
Open from 1 to 4 PM Saturdays & Sundays, would be an excellent stop on the
way home from---

KEYSTONE Winter Train Meet at St Philips, in Millersville, PA. St Philips
is at the corner of PA 741 & 999, in beautiful suburban Millersville.
Card carrying Keystone members get in at 8 AM, ALL others admitted at 9 AM,
open til prox 12:30 PM. Adult admission is $4.00, 12 & under FREE, FREE
Parking.
The Lower Sus-Q Valley O Gaugers will have their modular R-R set up, PVMR
will be there as well with the 4 X 7 THOMAS, Ron Morris will be bringing
his "Ride-On" train for kids. THIS meet is to be front page tomorrow in
the local newspaper, The Advertizer. Contact Ron Morris for tables,
_rontrain@..._ (mailto:rontrain@...)
BTW, GOOD FOOD, reasonably priced by the Church's Mens Club.

Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67555 From: The Reardon's Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Wobbly steamers...
I had this problem on, of all things, an "ole reliable", 283. I found a tire/wheel-flange that was a little loose on the wheel. I followed Doug's clinic on setting the wheel straight, and glued it up with super glue. Worked perfectly and runs reliably again. It just could be that simple.

Good Luck,
Pat, in Maine


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67556 From: Bruce Papky Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: New photos posted on 'My Flyer Trains' site
Hello all,

Stumpy Stone's recent article, 'Stumpy's Station',...(I'm looking forward
to upcoming postings)... on Chuck Harrington's site got me thinking about
the photo Galleries on Chuck's 'MyFlyerTrains'.

I went to my own Albums and realized I hadn't posted any new photos for a
couple of years! So, to bring things up to date, I've added* lots *of new
photos.

Since I live in Dundas, Ontario, Canada, Canadian roadnames such as CN, CP
and TH&B are of particular interest to me. You'll see in my albums that,
in addition to having R-T-R engines manufactured by SHS, AM and Lionel,
I've also re-painted others to augment my fleet of engines.

I've also posted photos of several re-painted pieces of rolling stock in my
favourite roadnames. Some I've done myself, some an S gauger friend has
done, and others were purchased on eBay. Check them out, too.

I have an album on Chuck's site showing four re-decorated Gilbert passenger
cars (VIA Rail), with each named for one of our four grandchildren. Three
of them are triplets, and the cars are numbered with their actual birth
weights. So is the fourth car...but he was a lot heavier. They're 9 and 5
now and these cars are certainly among their favourites. Check out that
Album.

I've neglected posting some of my Christmas layout photos for a while, so I
added several to my Christmas album and called it a 'compilation'. Check
it out.

Lastly, I constructed a new, larger layout a little more than a year ago.
It measures 6'x10' and allows me to run three trains in various
configurations. I've posted several photos in that album labelled '2012
layout'.

All of these albums can be seen on Chuck Harrington's site by going to:
www.myflyertrains.org/gallery/papky

Enjoy.

Bruce


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67557 From: rdavis7813@sbcglobal.net Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Problem with Tmcc base and two separate tracks
Thanks - you confirmed my suspicions. Probably the only way to filter out that signal would be a grid under the upper level track but things are way too complete. By the way, each loop is on a separate ZW transformer. Yes I can switch over to a powermaster on the upper loop to run non TMCC engines via a cab-1 when desired. In fact on top, I have six sidings with AM Northern and NYC empire set, an LTI UP passenger set, 332 flyer passenger set, the TMCC Blue Comet set and now the new TMCC AF challenger {thanks to your great website] so I do run a mix of equipment and it does get complicated switching systems and controls.
Bob


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote:
>
> If it is in the same room it will probably see the TMCC signal.
>
> Use different transformers to power each loop so both can run in
> conventional if needed.
> Or use a pair of Powermasters or TPCs for the loops. Then the whistles can
> be controlled by the Cab-1 in conventional mode.
>
> There is no way to set a TMCC loco to just run conventional without a
> modification to the loco.
>
> Carl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
> Of rdavis7813@...
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:01 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Problem with Tmcc base and two separate tracks
>
>
>
> I run TMCC or non TMCC engines on top loop and TMCC only on lower loop.
> Have one command base wired to both loops. Gets hectic running tmcc
> engine/horn up top and keep two TMCC engines on lower from running in to
> each other, so I sometimes want to run the upper TMCC engine in conventional
> mode and use OMS buttons to blow whistle. This leaving the cab-1 to control
> lower level.
>
> As I understand it, command base is constantly emitting a signal so
> engines can detect how to run, so I tried using a knife switch to
> 'connect/disconnect' upper level cable to command base. When closed TMCC
> works fine up top. When I open the knife switch, the the upper trains still
> seem to think there is a command base connected. I beleive it is picking up
> the signal from the command base wired to the lower level track and won't
> switch to conventional mode up top. Only when I disconnect both wires will
> upper level TMCC engines run conventional.
>
> Is the upper level picking up the signal? Is it posssible to run TMCC
> engines in conventional mode on one loop and TMCC on another loop at the
> same time? How can I hide the lower level signal?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67558 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Bucky's Beer
Nice job, if it is a micro brewery then may be the patio should be a beer garden? Realy like the way it all comes together to form a unified theme.

--- On Tue, 1/3/12, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote:


From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Bucky's Beer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 1:28 PM



 



Flyer Nation:

I believe I have all of the carpentry work completed on this project. Next up will be the paint job. For pics and more details, you are all invited to visit the newest posting on my blog at:

http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2012/01/buckys-beer.html

If you can think of any other meaningful details for this micro-brewery, please don't hesitate to let me know; either in public or via emai - whichever you are more comfortable with.

Regards,
Timboy








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Group: S-Trains Message: 67559 From: Frank Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Repair Shop
Outstanding ! Keep smoking (as in steam).
Frank

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2012, at 9:24 PM, Lou Templeton <letempleton3@...> wrote:

> HI Folks, The fan on the smoke unit of my Challenger stopped working, so I
> called Lionel repair and got a return authorization number and was given
> the address to send it in Canfield. Ohio. I asked the person if I could
> deliver it in person. The answer was yes but they were running about two
> weeks out on repairs. Since Canfield is only 1:15 from my home, I deceided
> to deliver it in person. When I arrived at the repair location, I was
> immediately escorted upstairs to a repairman and the young man looked at my
> engine and had it apart in no time. A new fan motor was installed and the
> engine was taken to the test track while I watched the whole proceedure.
> They could't have been any more accommodating. So I guess there is one on
> the plus side for Lionel. Maybe they are trying to change their iimmage.
>
> Lou Templeton
> Hickory,PA
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67560 From: jtkeating Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Wanted: 21085 Boiler & 2 pin C&NW Tender Shell
Wanted: 21085 Boiler & 2 pin C&NW Tender Shell. Please contact me off-list. Thank You.
John Keating
Group: S-Trains Message: 67561 From: texas0717 Date: 1/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Repair Shop
Lou - I have a new Challenger with a problem that sounds very similiar to the one yours had. If you don't mind I have a question. Did your chuffing sound also cease when your smoke fan quit. My problem started with very irratically sync'd chuffing sound, and the sync'd smoke fan was also irratic. After a few hours both the chuffing sound and the fan have quit working. The other background engine sounds (bell, Whistle, engineer/dispatcher, etc) all still work. I am new to AF/Lionel steamers(still run alot of old AF but couldn't resist the lure of the Challenger)so I am unfamiliar with the internal workings of them. I did send question to Lionel 'contact us' re: wireless link between engine/tender, their reply was to check the alignment of the IR tether. It appears aligned to me, so I am beginning to believe I will also need to return for repairs. I have only had the Challenger for about two weeks(Christmas). Thank you for any further info.. Yours, Laurin.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lou Templeton <letempleton3@...> wrote:
>
> HI Folks, The fan on the smoke unit of my Challenger stopped working, so I
> called Lionel repair and got a return authorization number and was given
> the address to send it in Canfield. Ohio. I asked the person if I could
> deliver it in person. The answer was yes but they were running about two
> weeks out on repairs. Since Canfield is only 1:15 from my home, I deceided
> to deliver it in person. When I arrived at the repair location, I was
> immediately escorted upstairs to a repairman and the young man looked at my
> engine and had it apart in no time. A new fan motor was installed and the
> engine was taken to the test track while I watched the whole proceedure.
> They could't have been any more accommodating. So I guess there is one on
> the plus side for Lionel. Maybe they are trying to change their iimmage.
>
> Lou Templeton
> Hickory,PA
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67562 From: Frank Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Repair Shop
Why not just phone the techs at Lionel ?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:28 PM, "texas0717" <laurin0717@...> wrote:

> Lou - I have a new Challenger with a problem that sounds very similiar to the one yours had. If you don't mind I have a question. Did your chuffing sound also cease when your smoke fan quit. My problem started with very irratically sync'd chuffing sound, and the sync'd smoke fan was also irratic. After a few hours both the chuffing sound and the fan have quit working. The other background engine sounds (bell, Whistle, engineer/dispatcher, etc) all still work. I am new to AF/Lionel steamers(still run alot of old AF but couldn't resist the lure of the Challenger)so I am unfamiliar with the internal workings of them. I did send question to Lionel 'contact us' re: wireless link between engine/tender, their reply was to check the alignment of the IR tether. It appears aligned to me, so I am beginning to believe I will also need to return for repairs. I have only had the Challenger for about two weeks(Christmas). Thank you for any further info.. Yours, Laurin.
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lou Templeton <letempleton3@...> wrote:
> >
> > HI Folks, The fan on the smoke unit of my Challenger stopped working, so I
> > called Lionel repair and got a return authorization number and was given
> > the address to send it in Canfield. Ohio. I asked the person if I could
> > deliver it in person. The answer was yes but they were running about two
> > weeks out on repairs. Since Canfield is only 1:15 from my home, I deceided
> > to deliver it in person. When I arrived at the repair location, I was
> > immediately escorted upstairs to a repairman and the young man looked at my
> > engine and had it apart in no time. A new fan motor was installed and the
> > engine was taken to the test track while I watched the whole proceedure.
> > They could't have been any more accommodating. So I guess there is one on
> > the plus side for Lionel. Maybe they are trying to change their iimmage.
> >
> > Lou Templeton
> > Hickory,PA
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67563 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Repair Shop
Hi Lou,

I see a potential money making opportunity for you. We could all pack up our "Lionel needs repair new-in-the-box items" to you for "instant repair". You could get same day service at Lionel and charge a fee for shipping/handling and stress release - lol.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lou Templeton <letempleton3@...> wrote:
>
> HI Folks, The fan on the smoke unit of my Challenger stopped working, so I
> called Lionel repair and got a return authorization number and was given
> the address to send it in Canfield. Ohio. I asked the person if I could
> deliver it in person. The answer was yes but they were running about two
> weeks out on repairs. Since Canfield is only 1:15 from my home, I deceided
> to deliver it in person. When I arrived at the repair location, I was
> immediately escorted upstairs to a repairman and the young man looked at my
> engine and had it apart in no time. A new fan motor was installed and the
> engine was taken to the test track while I watched the whole proceedure.
> They could't have been any more accommodating. So I guess there is one on
> the plus side for Lionel. Maybe they are trying to change their iimmage.
>
> Lou Templeton
> Hickory,PA
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67564 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Re: steamer converted to DC
Are you trying to run the dump car on DC? or is the accessory using AC
on the activator but trying to use the track as the ground?

AC activation with DC rail as a ground is almost guaranteed to cause
problems.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 1/3/2012 7:16 PM, flyerguy63 wrote:
>
> Hi everyone
> I recently converted my steamer to a DC can motor and for a reverser I
> used a radio shack part # 176-1185 full wave rectifier with a dpdt
> switch. The loco works fine in forward and reverse but my problem is
> my # 714 log dump car has problems lifting the 3 logs and works very
> erratically. Any help
>
> Mark
> south NJ Flyer fan
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67565 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Repair Shop
talktous@... Mike

From: Frank
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 10:41 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Repair Shop


Why not just phone the techs at Lionel ?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:28 PM, "texas0717" <mailto:laurin0717%40aol.com> wrote:

> Lou - I have a new Challenger with a problem that sounds very similiar to the one yours had. If you don't mind I have a question. Did your chuffing sound also cease when your smoke fan quit. My problem started with very irratically sync'd chuffing sound, and the sync'd smoke fan was also irratic. After a few hours both the chuffing sound and the fan have quit working. The other background engine sounds (bell, Whistle, engineer/dispatcher, etc) all still work. I am new to AF/Lionel steamers(still run alot of old AF but couldn't resist the lure of the Challenger)so I am unfamiliar with the internal workings of them. I did send question to Lionel 'contact us' re: wireless link between engine/tender, their reply was to check the alignment of the IR tether. It appears aligned to me, so I am beginning to believe I will also need to return for repairs. I have only had the Challenger for about two weeks(Christmas). Thank you for any further info.. Yours, Laurin.
>
> --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Lou Templeton <letempleton3@...> wrote:
> >
> > HI Folks, The fan on the smoke unit of my Challenger stopped working, so I
> > called Lionel repair and got a return authorization number and was given
> > the address to send it in Canfield. Ohio. I asked the person if I could
> > deliver it in person. The answer was yes but they were running about two
> > weeks out on repairs. Since Canfield is only 1:15 from my home, I deceided
> > to deliver it in person. When I arrived at the repair location, I was
> > immediately escorted upstairs to a repairman and the young man looked at my
> > engine and had it apart in no time. A new fan motor was installed and the
> > engine was taken to the test track while I watched the whole proceedure.
> > They could't have been any more accommodating. So I guess there is one on
> > the plus side for Lionel. Maybe they are trying to change their iimmage.
> >
> > Lou Templeton
> > Hickory,PA
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67566 From: flyerguy63 Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Re: steamer converted to DC
I have the activator hooked up to AC Should I run DC to the actovator ?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote:
>
> Are you trying to run the dump car on DC? or is the accessory using AC
> on the activator but trying to use the track as the ground?
>
> AC activation with DC rail as a ground is almost guaranteed to cause
> problems.
>
> Carey
>
> Carey Probst
>
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
>
> S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
>
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
>
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>
>
> On 1/3/2012 7:16 PM, flyerguy63 wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone
> > I recently converted my steamer to a DC can motor and for a reverser I
> > used a radio shack part # 176-1185 full wave rectifier with a dpdt
> > switch. The loco works fine in forward and reverse but my problem is
> > my # 714 log dump car has problems lifting the 3 logs and works very
> > erratically. Any help
> >
> > Mark
> > south NJ Flyer fan
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67567 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: More Rolling Stock for sale, SHS, AM, PRS, AF by Lionel
I am offering several more items for sale. Please contact me offline if
you are interested in any of these items.

- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN

SHS Freight Cars -

#00055 Stock Car-Atlantic Coast Line #140441
LN/EX in original box
Tuscan with white lettering
One Kadee coupler and one Knuckle Coupler, but
I can replace the Kadee with Knuckle Coupler if requested
$38 plus shipping


#00172 Standard flatcar Illinois Central, car #923641
LN in original box
Orange car with black lettering
$38 plus shipping


#00337 Bulkhead Flatcar D&H Pulpwood Load, car #16502
LN/EX in original box, (box is a little worn, I am at least the second
owner)
Orange car with yellow lettering
$58 plus shipping (reduced again)


#01728 Bulkhead Flatcar 2006 Christmas car, BN 621076
LN in original box, with load of wrapped Christmas presents
Green car with white lettering
$58 plus shipping (reduced again & again)



Pacific Rail Shops (I can send photos of these boxcars)
================

50' SGL SLDG DR BOXCAR,
White lettering with yellow "HYDRA-CUSHION FOR FRAGILE FREIGHT"
B-526 Southern Pacific #651466
(Hydro-Cushion - 1957)
The box is stamped #3
$50 plus shipping (*see note below)



50' SGL SLDG DR BOXCAR,
White lettering with yellow "HYDRA-CUSHION FOR FRAGILE FREIGHT"
B-526 Southern Pacific #651437
(Hydro-Cushion - 1957)
$50 plus shipping (*see note below)


50' SGL SLDG DR BOXCAR,
White lettering with black circular logo on left side,
B-511 Southern Pacific #171489651466
(Hydro-Cushion - 1957)
The box is stamped #3
$50 plus shipping (*see note below)

* Note-buy all three SP PRS cars above for $135 plus shipping



40' DOUBLE DOOR BOXCAR (assembled)
GCS-008 SOUTHERN RAILWAY
1937 - C.N.O&T.P. Car #272508
Tuscan with white lettering, heavily weathered
Kadee 802 couplers
$50 plus shipping



40' DOUBLE DOOR BOXCAR (assembled)
GCS-010 SOUTHERN RAILWAY
1948 - C.N.O&T.P. Car #272615
Tuscan with white lettering, heavily weathered
Kadee 802 couplers
$50 plus shipping










AMERICAN FLYER BY LIONEL

6-48728 Southern Bay Window Caboose, lighted
Red with white lettering and yellow steps
LN, appears box is unopened
$37 plus shipping








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Group: S-Trains Message: 67568 From: LB Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Looking for Magnetic Cover # PA10549
I am looking for a source for this part which covers the lower portion of the field on a DC motor. Would appreciate any info.

paflyrman
Group: S-Trains Message: 67569 From: John Degnan Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Fw: Flat Car "Semi-Kit"... UPDATE
A note I just received states that Chad has just ordered 30 flat car decks for the SAL F-6 flat cars. The first test cut was mailed today. He was making the mold the last I heard so if you want one you should let him know ASAP so he can order the decks. The remaining decks will probably be cut early next week if all works out.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67570 From: John Degnan Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Re: Flat Car "Semi-Kit"... UPDATE - DECALS
Decals are now available for the SAL F-6 flat car kit from Jerry Glow via :

http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals


John Degnan
Scaler164@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67571 From: doerryn Date: 1/4/2012
Subject: Re: steamer converted to DC
The problem is that that the rectifier only "connects" the base post on the transformer to the "base" rail half the time. Probably the best solution for you is to use a second AC transformer.
Connect the base post of this transformer to the base rail (the one the action car has a wheel pick-up on). Use the 16V accessory post on the transformer to power the accessory rail via the control button.

Have a great day,

Norbert



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "flyerguy63" <flyerguy63@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone
> I recently converted my steamer to a DC can motor and for a reverser I used a radio shack part # 176-1185 full wave rectifier with a dpdt switch. The loco works fine in forward and reverse but my problem is my # 714 log dump car has problems lifting the 3 logs and works very erratically. Any help
>
> Mark
> south NJ Flyer fan
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67572 From: Linda Cernjul Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: DCC Installations
need help or advice on s decoders call any time 440-526-1587 used all  brands of decoders especially tsunami for s  locos



________________________________
From: ken garber <garber.ken@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:53 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: DCC Installations


 
8. DCC installations
Posted by: "wb4hay" wb4hay@... wb4hay
Date: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:50 pm ((PST))
Who do you guys reccommend to do DCC + Sound installations in AM Fs and
Pacifics?

----------------------------------------------------------

I have the same question for installing in the AM E8's (and eventually my
Pacific).

I did some quick research and found a few things. This is NOT an
all-inclusive search. I looked at current capacity, not features.

To me, the Soundtraxx Tsunami line may not be adequate. Their units peak
at one amp. That may be a bit tight for the heavier S locomotives (not
counting the SHS steam loco).

Their older lines, if you can find them at train shows, may be better -
They were rated at 1amp (2amp peak).

An option there also, would be to install a regular decoder and also
install a sound decoder. Makes programming a little more difficult.

I did have a look at the Digitrax line. What I see as plausible is their
DH165 series (1.2Amp; 2Amp Peak). They are a standard decoder but with the
ability to be paired with their sound decoder called a Soundbug. The
Soundbug doesn't include a speaker and the combo is a lot cheaper than
Tsunami.

If anyone has found that the Tsunami can handle higher currents, I would be
interested in knowing. I just don't want the smoke escaping from one of
those. They stop working when that happens, and it's impossible to put the
smoke back in.
:)

Ken

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67573 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: U33C arrived
Well, my SP loco arrived today. AMAZING detail, all those little tiny signs
"High Voltage" and the legible builder's plate. I don't have a place to run
it right now, but noticed the wheels have definite wear on them, and one
traction tire is narrower than the others. Product testing???
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67574 From: Timboy Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: steamer converted to DC
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doerryn" <doerry@...> wrote:
>
> The problem is that that the rectifier only "connects" the base post on the transformer to the "base" rail half the time. Probably the best solution for you is to use a second AC transformer.
> Connect the base post of this transformer to the base rail (the one the action car has a wheel pick-up on). Use the 16V accessory post on the transformer to power the accessory rail via the control button.
>
> Have a great day,
>
> Norbert
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "flyerguy63" <flyerguy63@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone
> > I recently converted my steamer to a DC can motor and for a reverser I used a radio shack part # 176-1185 full wave rectifier with a dpdt switch. The loco works fine in forward and reverse but my problem is my # 714 log dump car has problems lifting the 3 logs and works very erratically. Any help
> >
> > Mark
> > south NJ Flyer fan
> >
>
Norbert:

I quite agree. In fact, I published this several months ago:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/2011/12/couple-of-work-arounds-for-dc.html

Hope this helps,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 67575 From: Brady Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: New photos posted on 'My Flyer Trains' site
> All of these albums can be seen on Chuck Harrington's site by going to:
> www.myflyertrains.org/gallery/papky


Bruce,

Nice layout and photos. The custom passenger cars are a neat idea.


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 67576 From: Scott Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Existence of K-Line Product
Hey,
I was going through some of my old catalogs and came across the 2005 K-line catalog. In it, they advertise S Gauge Hudsons, plymouths, and Porters. Now, from the pictures, I can tell that the trains in the photo were not photoshopped versions of the O gauge ones, but I am curious if any of these were actually sold, or if they never came to be sold. Thanks.

Sincerely,
Scott Miller
Group: S-Trains Message: 67577 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: steamer converted to DC
I would follow Norbert and Timboy's advice.

It has been a long time since I worked in the electronics area and
honestly don't remember if the solenoids in the cars will run on pure DC
or not.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 1/4/2012 1:55 PM, flyerguy63 wrote:
>
> I have the activator hooked up to AC Should I run DC to the actovator ?
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote:
> >
> > Are you trying to run the dump car on DC? or is the accessory using AC
> > on the activator but trying to use the track as the ground?
> >
> > AC activation with DC rail as a ground is almost guaranteed to cause
> > problems.
> >
> > Carey
> >
> > Carey Probst
> >
> > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
> >
> > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
> >
> > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
> State,
> >
> > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
> >
> >
> > On 1/3/2012 7:16 PM, flyerguy63 wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi everyone
> > > I recently converted my steamer to a DC can motor and for a
> reverser I
> > > used a radio shack part # 176-1185 full wave rectifier with a dpdt
> > > switch. The loco works fine in forward and reverse but my problem is
> > > my # 714 log dump car has problems lifting the 3 logs and works very
> > > erratically. Any help
> > >
> > > Mark
> > > south NJ Flyer fan
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67578 From: Scott Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: K-Line Locomotive Existence
In the 2005 catalog, K-line adertises S guage Plymouth, Porter, and hudson locomotives. Were these ever produced, or are their pictures the only mention of their existence?

Sincerely,
Scott
Group: S-Trains Message: 67579 From: R G Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: Existence of K-Line Product
None were made to my knowledge!



________________________________
From: Scott <scottmmiller1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2012 10:53 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Existence of K-Line Product


 
Hey,
I was going through some of my old catalogs and came across the 2005 K-line catalog. In it, they advertise S Gauge Hudsons, plymouths, and Porters. Now, from the pictures, I can tell that the trains in the photo were not photoshopped versions of the O gauge ones, but I am curious if any of these were actually sold, or if they never came to be sold. Thanks.

Sincerely,
Scott Miller




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67580 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: Looking for Magnetic Cover # PA10549
Part number is PA10549. I don't have any in stock at this time.
� Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: LB <hblanier@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for Magnetic Cover # PA10549


 
I am looking for a source for this part which covers the lower portion of the field on a DC motor. Would appreciate any info.

paflyrman




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67581 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: Existence of K-Line Product
I do not remember any Hudsons, but they canceled out a 4-6-2 pacific based on marx tooling and re gauged to S I had pre ordered one but they claimed not enough orders. As for the porters and plymouths I am not sure if they made them or not. I do have a L&N Box car that was K-line S gauge.

--- On Thu, 1/5/12, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:


From: R G <keyhole_corona@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Existence of K-Line Product
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, January 5, 2012, 11:21 AM



 



None were made to my knowledge!

________________________________
From: Scott <scottmmiller1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2012 10:53 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Existence of K-Line Product

 
Hey,
I was going through some of my old catalogs and came across the 2005 K-line catalog. In it, they advertise S Gauge Hudsons, plymouths, and Porters. Now, from the pictures, I can tell that the trains in the photo were not photoshopped versions of the O gauge ones, but I am curious if any of these were actually sold, or if they never came to be sold. Thanks.

Sincerely,
Scott Miller

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67582 From: sgaugian Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: New photos posted on 'My Flyer Trains' site
Thanks for sharing. Great 2012 layout and Christmas photos. Where may I ask did you get the musical Tilt-A-Whirl? Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67583 From: Timboy Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: Bucky's Beer
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, weidner@... wrote:
>
> Nice job, if it is a micro brewery then may be the patio should be a beer garden? Realy like the way it all comes together to form a unified theme.
>
> --- On Tue, 1/3/12, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Bucky's Beer
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 1:28 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Flyer Nation:
>
> I believe I have all of the carpentry work completed on this project. Next up will be the paint job. For pics and more details, you are all invited to visit the newest posting on my blog at:
>
> http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2012/01/buckys-beer.html
>
> If you can think of any other meaningful details for this micro-brewery, please don't hesitate to let me know; either in public or via emai - whichever you are more comfortable with.
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Weidner:

Thanks! I don't know what a "beer garden" actually looks like, but I'll see if I can come up with MY virgin of one. :) :) :)

Still-A-Kid Train Guy:

The overhang on the back dock is installed. After the paint job, I'll build and attach a fire escape so OSHA doesn't get after me! :) :) :)

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 67584 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Re: U33C arrived
----- Original Message -----
From: djdewey@...
. . . . . . . . I don't have a place to run it right now,. . . . . . . . .
. . . .
> > > > > > > > > >
You just have to have the right friends. I have one who has a loop of SHS
track around his Christmas tree.
< < < < < < < < < < <
. . . . . . but noticed the wheels have definite wear on them, . . . . . .
. . . .
> > > > > > > > >
Better to run it a few feet before it leaves Lionel than them having to take
it back.
< < < < < < < < <
. . . . . . and one traction tire is narrower than the others.. . . . . . .
.
> > > > > > > > >
Mine's that way too. And the replacement tires enclosed also come in two
widths. I think there's a Lionel reason, not sure what. The narrower tires
are on ths side of the gears.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 67585 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: CP Spiral Tunnel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEe9d69NpyM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Hill

I am reading a book about the CP railroad which also has a second part about the CN railroad, both of Canada of course.

I usually read books on Baseball, as I have a great book to read on the last Negro League World Series next or US History.

Anyway, in the book I have come to where these two spiral tunnels where built in the Yoho National Park of Canada.

The video shows one tunnel and the Wikipedia explains more, as it was done due to elevation they had to over come.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67586 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/5/2012
Subject: Woodland Scenics Fire
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=704154

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67587 From: ken garber Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: CP Spiral Tunnels
I was there in the late 80's, and you could see the trains much easier.
The trees were a lot shorter and less dense.

There was a pull off alongside the highway where the one track was right
below you. I imagine now that you will only hear the train.

:)

Ken




On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 7:09 AM, <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> There are 13 messages in this issue.
>
> ___________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 8. CP Spiral Tunnel
> Posted by: "Michael & Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000
> Date: Thu Jan 5, 2012 6:24 pm ((PST))
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEe9d69NpyM
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Hill
>
> I am reading a book about the CP railroad which also has a second part
> about the CN railroad, both of Canada of course.
>
> I usually read books on Baseball, as I have a great book to read on the
> last Negro League World Series next or US History.
>
> Anyway, in the book I have come to where these two spiral tunnels where
> built in the Yoho National Park of Canada.
>
> The video shows one tunnel and the Wikipedia explains more, as it was done
> due to elevation they had to over come.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67588 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: CP Spiral Tunnel
Most interesting Michael! Amazing solution to an engineering problem.
Alistair
On Fri 06/01/12 11:31 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer"
mlmarmer@... sent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEe9d69NpyM [1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Hill [2]
I am reading a book about the CP railroad which also has a second
part about the CN railroad, both of Canada of course.
I usually read books on Baseball, as I have a great book to read on
the last Negro League World Series next or US History.
Anyway, in the book I have come to where these two spiral tunnels
where built in the Yoho National Park of Canada.
The video shows one tunnel and the Wikipedia explains more, as it
was done due to elevation they had to over come.
Mike Marmer
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---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail -
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Links:
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[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEe9d69NpyM
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Hill
Group: S-Trains Message: 67589 From: John McAlonan Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: CP Spiral Tunnel
Go see I-Max's "Rocky Mountain Express". Details those loops and why they were built. I'm building an elevating loop on the layout but the real one is much cooler.

Mac McAlonan
Fire on the Ridge Farm
Willow, KY
8591-391-0209
Group: S-Trains Message: 67590 From: John McAlonan Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: steamer converted to DC
I approached this a little differently. Because SHS switches need AC, and because Gilbert accessories prefer AC, I mounted the rectifier in the tender. This allows me to operate my un-converted locos on the layout as well. So far, so good.


Mac McAlonan
Fire on the Ridge Farm
Willow, KY
8591-391-0209
Group: S-Trains Message: 67591 From: Jerry Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: U33C arrived
Fellow Train People,

My U33C arrived last night around 7PM. I unpacked the loco (along with
the accompanying caboose) and looked it over well. First of all, the
loco is perfectly level. Second, the paint and decoration is superb!
Third, the detail is on par with any item made by any other
manufacturer. Lionel has to be commended for this one. They're really
trying. Fourth, swing pilots are not the greatest thing, but my
American Models GG1 also has them, so it doesn't bother me all that
much. The loco is designed for minimum 36" curves, so if you want it to
function on those curves, allowances have to be made. BTW, I got the
Great Northern version. However, before I did anything, I read the
instructions (imagine that!). Since I don't do TMCC or Legacy, I was
able to skip most of them. BUT, around 8PM, we got a call from our son
in Pittsburgh, who is expecting the arrival of our first grandchild.
First things first, after all. So, here we are in Pittsburgh awaiting
another arrival. Imagine, waiting all this time for things to happen,
and two nice things happen within an hour of each other! The loco can
wait, but the kid isn't, but he/she is taking his/her time. All good
things are worth the wait, aren't they? Photos of my U33C will be
posted in my photo album when I get home. Photos of The Kid will be
sent to family and friends.

I was planning on gutting the electronic stuff from the loco, but I'm
not sure if I'll actually do it. Some of the features of Legacy are
accessible with a standard transformer (horn, bell, engine sounds, cab
talk), which is what I plan on using. Note to the electronic fans-for
me it's not worth it to invest in the Legacy/TMCC controls. I have no
other items with it. A fellow club member, Bob Bubeck and I have been
ribbing each other on the merits of this stuff. He hasn't convinced me,
and I haven't convinced him. Suffice to say, that in spite of it all,
we remain friends and respect each others opinions.

Jerry Poniatowski
Waiting in Pittsburgh
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <djdewey@...> wrote:
>
> Well, my SP loco arrived today. AMAZING detail, all those little tiny
signs
> "High Voltage" and the legible builder's plate. I don't have a place
to run
> it right now, but noticed the wheels have definite wear on them, and
one
> traction tire is narrower than the others. Product testing???
> S'
> David D.
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67592 From: Brady Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Woodland Scenics Fire
Group: S-Trains Message: 67593 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: Woodland Scenics fire
Though possibly not as well known in "toy" train circles, Woodland Scenics is THE key company for scenery materials in model railroading here in the U.S. Most hobby shops and Internet retailers carry Woodland's products almost exclusively, and have for many years. There are even a few outfits who repackage Woodland's products under their own brand.
There ARE others, such as Scenic Express, who will now have to take up the slack somehow, but this is a loss that will be strongly felt in the hobby. Even if Woodland Scenics is able to get back up and running, it will still be some time before the supply returns to normal.
This is getting plenty of discussion on other Yahoo groups and by e-mail.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 67594 From: Brady Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: U33C arrived
> I was planning on gutting the electronic stuff from the loco, but I'm
> not sure if I'll actually do it. Some of the features of Legacy are
> accessible with a standard transformer (horn, bell, engine sounds, cab
> talk), which is what I plan on using. Note to the electronic fans-for
> me it's not worth it to invest in the Legacy/TMCC controls. I have no
> other items with it...

Jerry,

When Legacy first came out I tested the system and a Legacy-equipped O gauge geep for a week. Under Legacy control the geep was an amazing loco and a lot of fun.

It ran fine under TMCC

Conventional performance with a transformer was pretty bad

FWIW..

Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 67595 From: Bruce Papky Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: New photos posted on 'My Flyer Trains' site
Posted by: "sgaugian" dsme_horn@...
<dsme_horn@...?Subject=+Re%3A%20New%20photos%20posted%20on%20%27My%20Flyer%20Trains%27%20site>
sgaugian <http://profiles.yahoo.com/sgaugian>Thu Jan 5, 2012 1:36 pm (PST)


Thanks for sharing. Great 2012 layout and Christmas photos. Where may I ask
did you get the musical Tilt-A-Whirl? Thanks.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thank you for your kind words. I bought the musical Tilt-A-Whirl in early
December at our local Home Hardware store. The Santa and elves in the
spinning buckets seem perfectly sized for an S gauge Christmas
layout...and, the tune that plays while the spinning action happens is 'We
Wish You A Merry Christmas!'. This accessory, along with the "flying"
Santa in his sleigh with four reindeer, which plays 'Santa Claus Is Coming
To Town' as it circles the layout, are definitely crowd (read:
grandchildren and big kids) pleasers.

Bruce


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67596 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: Woodland Scenic fire
Scenic Express purchased product from them to sell.
Not sure how much however.
They will rebuild as they must have business insurance.
Mike
From: mrstumpy50
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:54 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Woodland Scenics fire


Though possibly not as well known in "toy" train circles, Woodland Scenics is THE key company for scenery materials in model railroading here in the U.S. Most hobby shops and Internet retailers carry Woodland's products almost exclusively, and have for many years. There are even a few outfits who repackage Woodland's products under their own brand.
There ARE others, such as Scenic Express, who will now have to take up the slack somehow, but this is a loss that will be strongly felt in the hobby. Even if Woodland Scenics is able to get back up and running, it will still be some time before the supply returns to normal.
This is getting plenty of discussion on other Yahoo groups and by e-mail.
Stumpy in Ahia





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Group: S-Trains Message: 67597 From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: Woodland Scenics fire
If they had a good Business Contingency Plan in place, they should
recover in less than a year. The Tsunami in Japan this past year,
has caused most businesses to have a disaster recovery plan in place
to assure limited supply interuptions.

Not sure if this level/type of business has addressed this issue. I
work for a large Chemical company, and we have been getting customer
requests for our plans in the event of a disaster. We have always
had a plan in place, but we had to rewrite it this past year.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
On Fri 01/06/12 12:54 PM , "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... sent:
Though possibly not as well known in "toy" train circles, Woodland
Scenics is THE key company for scenery materials in model railroading
here in the U.S. Most hobby shops and Internet retailers carry
Woodland's products almost exclusively, and have for many years.
There are even a few outfits who repackage Woodland's products under
their own brand.
There ARE others, such as Scenic Express, who will now have to take
up the slack somehow, but this is a loss that will be strongly felt
in the hobby. Even if Woodland Scenics is able to get back up and
running, it will still be some time before the supply returns to
normal.
This is getting plenty of discussion on other Yahoo groups and by
e-mail.
Stumpy in Ahia



Links:
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[1]
mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE:%20Woodland%20Scenics%20fire
[2]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNGlrbnUxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzU5MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjU4NzM2MjM-?act=reply&messageNum=67593
[3]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67593;_ylc=X3oDMTM0aGJ1MGthBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzU5MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjU4NzM2MjMEdHBjSWQDNjc1OTM-
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67598 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: U33C arrived
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry
. . . . . . . . . Some of the features of Legacy are accessible with a
standard transformer (horn, bell, engine sounds, cab talk). . . . . . . . .
. .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
I thought I read that too in the manual, but mine, on standard AC plus an AM
2-button box, would run and give me engine roar, but no bell, horn, or cab
talk.

I'm not a follower of Lionel, but as I read the manual I started to get the
impression that TMCC and Legacy are two different systems. As if we need
two more proprietory (non-NMRA) digital command control systems in S.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 67599 From: sgaugian Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Re: New photos posted on 'My Flyer Trains' site
Thanks. I might Google for it. Does the Tilt-a-Whirl have a manufacturer or part number? The ride is my daughter's favorite and when she was younger she used to drag me onto those things. Fond memories in some ways, nearly nauseating in others.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67600 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/6/2012
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} Woodland Scenic's
Woodland Scenics will be okay.

Mike Marmer

From: Jeff Smith
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 5:43 PM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: {S-Scale List} Woodland Scenic's



They will recover, here is a note that I received from Woodland Scenics today.


"Dear all,


As you may have heard we have experienced a fire here at Woodland Scenics and there is good news and bad news. The good news is that no one was hurt during the fire or evacuation process. The bad news is that it took out a couple of our manufacturing buildings. However, and fortunately, there is more good news than bad.


We encompass multiple buildings that are spread out all over the town of Linn Creek. We only lost two of those buildings and those two contained just a small portion of our manufacturing facilities. Our shipping department, warehouse and corporate offices were spared any damage, as were most of our manufacturing buildings, so it is business as usual.


Thanks for all your concerns.


Respectfully,


Gale Cousins

Director of Sales & Customer Service

Woodland Scenics"


Jeff Smith

RailMaster Hobbies Inc

9815 Walnut St #106

Bellflower, CA 90706

(562) 867-5627

www.railmasterhobbies.com


From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Willam Fraley
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 2:27 PM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {S-Scale List} Woodland Scenic's







All, Here is really horrible news: http://www.ky3.com/news/ky3-huge-fire-destroys-business-in-linn-creek-20120105,0,4228890.photogallery Hopefully, they will be able to
recover. Bill FRaley








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Group: S-Trains Message: 67601 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: U33C arrived
Congratulations Jerry! You are about to begin your third childhood. The first was yours, the second began when you started to play with toy trains, and the third when you have your first grandchild to play with. Your very own playmate. What a joy my three are.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote:
>
> Fellow Train People,
>
> My U33C arrived last night around 7PM. I unpacked the loco (along with
> the accompanying caboose) and looked it over well. First of all, the
> loco is perfectly level. Second, the paint and decoration is superb!
> Third, the detail is on par with any item made by any other
> manufacturer. Lionel has to be commended for this one. They're really
> trying. Fourth, swing pilots are not the greatest thing, but my
> American Models GG1 also has them, so it doesn't bother me all that
> much. The loco is designed for minimum 36" curves, so if you want it to
> function on those curves, allowances have to be made. BTW, I got the
> Great Northern version. However, before I did anything, I read the
> instructions (imagine that!). Since I don't do TMCC or Legacy, I was
> able to skip most of them. BUT, around 8PM, we got a call from our son
> in Pittsburgh, who is expecting the arrival of our first grandchild.
> First things first, after all. So, here we are in Pittsburgh awaiting
> another arrival. Imagine, waiting all this time for things to happen,
> and two nice things happen within an hour of each other! The loco can
> wait, but the kid isn't, but he/she is taking his/her time. All good
> things are worth the wait, aren't they? Photos of my U33C will be
> posted in my photo album when I get home. Photos of The Kid will be
> sent to family and friends.
>
> I was planning on gutting the electronic stuff from the loco, but I'm
> not sure if I'll actually do it. Some of the features of Legacy are
> accessible with a standard transformer (horn, bell, engine sounds, cab
> talk), which is what I plan on using. Note to the electronic fans-for
> me it's not worth it to invest in the Legacy/TMCC controls. I have no
> other items with it. A fellow club member, Bob Bubeck and I have been
> ribbing each other on the merits of this stuff. He hasn't convinced me,
> and I haven't convinced him. Suffice to say, that in spite of it all,
> we remain friends and respect each others opinions.
>
> Jerry Poniatowski
> Waiting in Pittsburgh
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <djdewey@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, my SP loco arrived today. AMAZING detail, all those little tiny
> signs
> > "High Voltage" and the legible builder's plate. I don't have a place
> to run
> > it right now, but noticed the wheels have definite wear on them, and
> one
> > traction tire is narrower than the others. Product testing???
> > S'
> > David D.
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67602 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: Woodland Scenics fire
That is good to read! Thanks for the update. Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 67603 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: New Email
I have recently changed my email address, and was hoping someone could tell me how to make this change with S-Trains so I remain on this group? Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Mike Leahy


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67604 From: Brady Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: New Email
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote:
>
> I have recently changed my email address, and was hoping someone could tell me how to make this change with S-Trains so I remain on this group? Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Leahy


Mike,

You should be able to do it through YahooGroups

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/

You'll need a Yahoo account

Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 67605 From: Brady Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: TMCC & Legacy (was: U33C arrived)
> I'm not a follower of Lionel, but as I read the manual I started to get the
> impression that TMCC and Legacy are two different systems. As if we need
> two more proprietory (non-NMRA) digital command control systems in S.
>
> Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
>


They are two different systems, but compatible. Legacy is an updated, software upgradable version of TMCC. Lionel causes confusion by calling their newer system Legacy.

You can run TMCC or Legacy equipped locos using either system, but running Legacy locos under TMCC will not allow access to all Legacy features

If memory serves, you can connect both systems together and use both the TMCC CAB-1 and Legacy CAB-2 (think multiple engineers).

I've used both systems, currently I use neither..


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 67606 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: New Email
Go to your yahoo groups page

add the new email if you haven't already

select the new email for this and any other groups.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 1/7/2012 9:17 AM, Ruth A Leahy wrote:
>
> I have recently changed my email address, and was hoping someone could
> tell me how to make this change with S-Trains so I remain on this
> group? Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Leahy
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67607 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: New Email
You can set your email preferences for all of your Yahoo Groups on the
Yahoo site. That includes adding or deleting email addresses. I have
more than one address (depends on where I am and what computer I am
using), so, I keep the ones I want to use for posting in the list.

I always have to poke around on Yahoo to find the right page for my
email preferences.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida


On 1/7/2012 9:17 AM, Ruth A Leahy wrote:
> I have recently changed my email address, and was hoping someone could tell me how to make this change with S-Trains so I remain on this group? Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Leahy
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67608 From: Herbert Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: New Email
Just click on edit membership right under "Yahoo Groups" and you will
have access to your profile.
Herb W

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote:
>
> I have recently changed my email address, and was hoping someone could tell me how to make this change with S-Trains so I remain on this group? Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Leahy
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67609 From: zemouse2001 Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: steamer converted to DC
Mac,

How did you handle the reverser? I am going to update my 310 with a dc motor - purchased over a year ago but haven't had time to get to it. The idea of just using ac certainly has some appeal although, with a dc feed, you can take advantage of the advanced operating features of modern dc power packs (e.g. momentum, etc).

Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John McAlonan <macflyer@...> wrote:
>
> I approached this a little differently. Because SHS switches need AC, and because Gilbert accessories prefer AC, I mounted the rectifier in the tender. This allows me to operate my un-converted locos on the layout as well. So far, so good.
>
>
> Mac McAlonan
> Fire on the Ridge Farm
> Willow, KY
> 8591-391-0209
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67610 From: doerryn Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Morse Code Searchlight Car
Last March I modified a searchlight car to send a repeated morse code message. I used components that I already had, which resulted in a circuit that was a bit more complicated than it had to be. In December I took some vacation time and dedicated two days to learning how to program PIC microcontrollers. These are really amazing little devices ... they integrate a microprocessor and a number of different types of input-output ports. They don't need many external parts to make them work. For my first project, I repeated the morse code searchlight car, but this time used an 8 pin PIC. The circuit was so much simpler that I fit all the components except the power supply within the spotlight housing.

For details on this spotlight car, see section 5.5 of

http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AF-Engine-Car-Mods.htm

With the power of the PIC, I think I can probably make my own DCC decoder and use it to control an H-Bridge circuit that is rated for 10 amps or more (no wimpy 1 amp drivers). That should ensure the smoke won't come out when driving the AF open frame motors. The PIC could also probably interact with a BlueTooth or other wireless interface for control.


Have a great day,

Norbert
Group: S-Trains Message: 67611 From: George Cohn Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: New Email
On 1/7/2012 8:40 AM, Bill Porter wrote:
> You can set your email preferences for all of your Yahoo Groups on the
> Yahoo site. That includes adding or deleting email addresses. I have
> more than one address (depends on where I am and what computer I am
> using), so, I keep the ones I want to use for posting in the list.
>

And also note that if you use Google mail, when you post to the list,
you will not get a copy of your message via e-mail.

This is something weird that Google does as just about any other e-mail
address will get you a return copy of your message.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 67612 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: SP Daylight set for sale (NEW)
I have a Southern Pacific ALCO Daylight set from 1981, new in the boxes for
sale. It includes the extra "B" unit with sound.
Contact off line if interested.
Steve Blackburn
_Boss31@..._ (mailto:Boss31@...) or 208-376-1159

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67613 From: George Cohn Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: Morse Code Searchlight Car
On 1/7/2012 10:17 AM, doerryn wrote:
> Last March I modified a searchlight car to send a repeated morse code
> message. I used components that I already had, which resulted in a
> circuit that was a bit more complicated than it had to be. In December I
> took some vacation time and dedicated two days to learning how to
> program PIC microcontrollers.

I built a circuit to make the 759 crossing bell wig-wag and ding using a
PIC microprocessor. It works really well but I had to use a pretty
stiff power supply and a serious pass transistor as the bell draws quite
a bit of current. http://www.acgilbert.net/759c.htm

Nut and Volts magazine recently had a similar project for HO where it
was all in assembly language and generated the bell sound digitally.

I may go back and revisit my circuit to do something similar.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 67614 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: Morse Code Searchlight Car
Hi Norbert,

That is very impressive and interesting. Would you be willing to provide
the circuit diagram and the program?

How do you program the PIC chips?
I looked on that site and saw a "volume pricing" column. Where do we get
onsey-twosey pricing?

I look forward to more of your projects. I can imagine a lot of
applications for our trains and layouts.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida


On 1/7/2012 12:17 PM, doerryn wrote:
> Last March I modified a searchlight car to send a repeated morse code message. I used components that I already had, which resulted in a circuit that was a bit more complicated than it had to be. In December I took some vacation time and dedicated two days to learning how to program PIC microcontrollers. These are really amazing little devices ... they integrate a microprocessor and a number of different types of input-output ports. They don't need many external parts to make them work. For my first project, I repeated the morse code searchlight car, but this time used an 8 pin PIC. The circuit was so much simpler that I fit all the components except the power supply within the spotlight housing.
>
> For details on this spotlight car, see section 5.5 of
>
> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AF-Engine-Car-Mods.htm
>
> With the power of the PIC, I think I can probably make my own DCC decoder and use it to control an H-Bridge circuit that is rated for 10 amps or more (no wimpy 1 amp drivers). That should ensure the smoke won't come out when driving the AF open frame motors. The PIC could also probably interact with a BlueTooth or other wireless interface for control.
>
>
> Have a great day,
>
> Norbert
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67615 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: Morse Code Searchlight Car
If it uses any technology more complex than a simple sollenoid or
bi-metalic strip timer then I dont want to know. It is remarkable
what can be done with pre solid state electro-mechanical technology.
Alistair
On Sun 08/01/12 4:48 AM , George Cohn gwcohn@... sent:
On 1/7/2012 10:17 AM, doerryn wrote:
> Last March I modified a searchlight car to send a repeated morse
code
> message. I used components that I already had, which resulted in a
> circuit that was a bit more complicated than it had to be. In
December I
> took some vacation time and dedicated two days to learning how to
> program PIC microcontrollers.
I built a circuit to make the 759 crossing bell wig-wag and ding
using a
PIC microprocessor. It works really well but I had to use a pretty
stiff power supply and a serious pass transistor as the bell draws
quite
a bit of current. http://www.acgilbert.net/759c.htm [1]
Nut and Volts magazine recently had a similar project for HO where
it
was all in assembly language and generated the bell sound digitally.
I may go back and revisit my circuit to do something similar.
George Cohn

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67616 From: doerryn Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: Morse Code Searchlight Car
Bill,

The Schematic is located at ...

http://doerry.org/norbert/train/20111229MC-Searchlight-PIC.pdf

The assembly language program is located at ....

http://doerry.org/norbert/train/20120102morse-code-spotlight.asm

I bought the PIC (as I do most of my electronic supplies) from Jameco Electronics (http://www.jameco.com) Most of the PICs are only a couple of dollars. Some of the more elaborate ones can run 5 or 6 dollars.

To program the PIC, I used a PICKIT 3 that I bought from DIGI-KEY. The PICKIT 3 also includes a demonstration board to practice on. Only thing is that the demo board I received had a newer PIC chip on it than the example programs provided on the CD. It took me about 2 days to learn enough about the system and how to read the data sheets to modify the examples so that they would work. Hopefully the examples will be updated soon.

To program the PIC I used for this project, I prototyped the project on a prototyping board. The PICKIT 3 connects via a 6 pin header (that I also purchased from Jameco). The software that comes with the PICKIT 3 lets you "compile" the code and download it into the PIC via the PICKIT 3.

Have fun,

Norbert

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Norbert,
>
> That is very impressive and interesting. Would you be willing to provide
> the circuit diagram and the program?
>
> How do you program the PIC chips?
> I looked on that site and saw a "volume pricing" column. Where do we get
> onsey-twosey pricing?
>
> I look forward to more of your projects. I can imagine a lot of
> applications for our trains and layouts.
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
>
>
> On 1/7/2012 12:17 PM, doerryn wrote:
> > Last March I modified a searchlight car to send a repeated morse code message. I used components that I already had, which resulted in a circuit that was a bit more complicated than it had to be. In December I took some vacation time and dedicated two days to learning how to program PIC microcontrollers. These are really amazing little devices ... they integrate a microprocessor and a number of different types of input-output ports. They don't need many external parts to make them work. For my first project, I repeated the morse code searchlight car, but this time used an 8 pin PIC. The circuit was so much simpler that I fit all the components except the power supply within the spotlight housing.
> >
> > For details on this spotlight car, see section 5.5 of
> >
> > http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AF-Engine-Car-Mods.htm
> >
> > With the power of the PIC, I think I can probably make my own DCC decoder and use it to control an H-Bridge circuit that is rated for 10 amps or more (no wimpy 1 amp drivers). That should ensure the smoke won't come out when driving the AF open frame motors. The PIC could also probably interact with a BlueTooth or other wireless interface for control.
> >
> >
> > Have a great day,
> >
> > Norbert
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67617 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: TM AF New Price Guide
I was placing a order for some CDs and a digital food thermometer, as yes, I do all the food planning, food shopping and food prep here, from Amazon.

So I keyed in the new TM AF price guide and yes, they have it. No tax or shipping charges.

So it is ordered too.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67618 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: Morse Code Searchlight Car
Thanks Norbert,

That is excellent. I earned my keep writing assembly code for a long
time. This looks like it will be not too hard for a caveman programmer.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida


On 1/7/2012 4:24 PM, doerryn wrote:
> Bill,
>
> The Schematic is located at ...
>
> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/20111229MC-Searchlight-PIC.pdf
>
> The assembly language program is located at ....
>
> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/20120102morse-code-spotlight.asm
>
> I bought the PIC (as I do most of my electronic supplies) from Jameco Electronics (http://www.jameco.com) Most of the PICs are only a couple of dollars. Some of the more elaborate ones can run 5 or 6 dollars.
>
> To program the PIC, I used a PICKIT 3 that I bought from DIGI-KEY. The PICKIT 3 also includes a demonstration board to practice on. Only thing is that the demo board I received had a newer PIC chip on it than the example programs provided on the CD. It took me about 2 days to learn enough about the system and how to read the data sheets to modify the examples so that they would work. Hopefully the examples will be updated soon.
>
> To program the PIC I used for this project, I prototyped the project on a prototyping board. The PICKIT 3 connects via a 6 pin header (that I also purchased from Jameco). The software that comes with the PICKIT 3 lets you "compile" the code and download it into the PIC via the PICKIT 3.
>
> Have fun,
>
> Norbert
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67619 From: doerryn Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: Morse Code Searchlight Car
George,

I like your project. I built a couple of circuits to "wig-wag" the 760 crossings. So I wouldn't have to modify the 760, I replaced the lightbulbs with LEDs. DC power of one polarity would light one LED, and DC power of the other polarity would light the other. Since I wasn't working with a bell, I used a simple 555 timer.

On by bucket list is making the bell with a 600 crossing gate "ding" like you have. I just haven't gotten around to doing so.

Have a great day,

Norbert


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote:
>
> On 1/7/2012 10:17 AM, doerryn wrote:
> > Last March I modified a searchlight car to send a repeated morse code
> > message. I used components that I already had, which resulted in a
> > circuit that was a bit more complicated than it had to be. In December I
> > took some vacation time and dedicated two days to learning how to
> > program PIC microcontrollers.
>
> I built a circuit to make the 759 crossing bell wig-wag and ding using a
> PIC microprocessor. It works really well but I had to use a pretty
> stiff power supply and a serious pass transistor as the bell draws quite
> a bit of current. http://www.acgilbert.net/759c.htm
>
> Nut and Volts magazine recently had a similar project for HO where it
> was all in assembly language and generated the bell sound digitally.
>
> I may go back and revisit my circuit to do something similar.
>
> George Cohn
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67621 From: Jerry Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Re: U33C arrived
Wayne,

Thanks, I'm already assembling a small "starter" set for Sam. His dad has a small collection of Flyer, some of which he puts around their Christmas tree. Maybe there's hope for some of us to have "heirs" to our "vast" amount of classic Flyer.... :>)

And you know what "they" say: third time's the charm...

Jerry
Grinning in Pittsburgh



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote:
>
> Congratulations Jerry! You are about to begin your third childhood. The first was yours, the second began when you started to play with toy trains, and the third when you have your first grandchild to play with. Your very own playmate. What a joy my three are.
>
> Wayne
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67622 From: megannsheckler Date: 1/7/2012
Subject: Where do I look for $$ value on Train set
Greetings from Tennessee ! I am a newbie and I hope I can ask this. My son has a train set that he wants to sell but I have no idea where to look to find out what it's worth...Can aynone point me in the right direction..The train set is: The Showcase Line Complete S Scale Electric Train Set and he also has 2 extra cars..He has probably had it 10-15 years...never used it...

Thanks in advance
Megann-N-TNC
Group: S-Trains Message: 67623 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: Christmas in January
Lionel is getting in some of the stuff they were expecting last fall. I have received my Christmas GP9, Circus set, Circus Piggy Back, Hersheys reefer, Coke boxcar, U33C, and the new fastrak curves. I was told the fastrak straights and terminal should be in soon and the smoking caboose and Halloween boxcar in May. Oh well, next Halloween.

First I have not even opened the U33C yet so I'll write about that later. The track is similar to SHS except the ties are not inlaid in the roadbed, but molded in. They are painted brown, contrary to earlier uninformed reports, and the rail is a light T rail. They do not look like we can inter-use them with SHS. I hope someone produces a transition track.

The circus set is great, but my big disappointment was a note saying Lionel had cancelled the circus spotlight car. That was the one I wanted most. Now I will just have to make my own. I had been making custom circus cars for the past few months in anticipation of this set. I will try to post photos later when things slow down at home and I get my messes cleaned-up to the Mrs.' satisfaction, and the weather turns a little warmer.

The circus engine and new Christmas GP9 run great. I would like to convert them to DC, but am not sure how to remove the reverse circuitry and still have directional lights. It was very nice of Lionel to letter the new Christmas livery for the name I have been using on my custom Christmas equipment for the past few years, "North Pole Express". It fits right in.

Anyway, I only have one more circus car in the works: A gondola to carry the big top canvas. After that I can play with my new trains all winter.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 67624 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: Re: U33C arrived - Detailed report.
Happy to report that my Erie-Lackawanna sample arrived yesterday and
emerged from its box in fine shape and functions well. As with Dave's sample,
the wheels indicate some factory trial wear, which is a good thing from a QC
standpoint. I had an opportunity to run it conventionally, with Cab-1, and
with Cab-2 (Legacy).

Likes:

1. Very good detail and appealing decoration.
2. Nice horn and bell, electrocouplers, and smoke. Cab light turns off
when motion commences. The brake squeal was encoded into the Railsounds and
functions properly (unlike the Challenger) when stopping from higher speeds.
3. 'AF speed control' functions well in conventional or under TMCC (once
one selects a high momentum setting). Somewhat finer and more extensive
speed control is attainable using Legacy Cab-2 over Cab-1.
4. Generally smooth operation. Break-in went pretty easily (slightly more
power train noise is noticeable running at speed on Gilbert curves compared
to running at on straights). Although not tested to the max (yet), the
U33C appears to have good pulling power.
5. Good value, overall, for the price ($310.00) when all of the features
are considered. The inclusion of the means of obtaining all the features in
such a small space is a true design accomplishment.
6. Scale flanged wheel sets and coupler mounting for the scale crowd.
7. Its arrival gave me the excuse to finally unbox the L-AF E-L BW caboose
that has set M/OB for about a year and a half.

Nits to pick:

1. Motive power sounds are constant with no variation with speed or engine
labor via train load or train brake application via Cab-2. Railsounds have
had some variation coupled to the operation of O gauge TMCC diesels for
years. The AF Big Boy does this beautifully. The AF Mikado and Pacific have
DynaChuff. Curious.

2. 'AF speed control' (back emf system) is not quite an equivalent of
Odyssey II, which gives a greater gradation of speed control when using Cab-1
or Cab-2. The usable speeds (i.e., rational smph settings) are concentrated
on the lower end of the range of train speed selection normally available
via a Cab-2.

3. The swinging pilot arrangement is a slight negative for me, although
the fully enclosed pilot utilized does look better on straights and broad
curves.

4. It has been already pointed out that the top of the nose has too much
curvature, as can be readily seen when comparing the model with prototype
photos.

Overall, a very good effort, but with some room for improvement.

Bob Bubeck

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67625 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: Re: Morse Code Searchlight Car
Jeez Bill, now you are reminding me how old I am.

I started in 1970 doing assembler on a 3-D graphics display at MIT and
have been a computer bum ever since. It was amazing what you could do
with very little memory in those days.

Something to look into for some other cool stuff to add to the layout.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 1/7/2012 6:27 PM, Bill Porter wrote:
>
> Thanks Norbert,
>
> That is excellent. I earned my keep writing assembly code for a long
> time. This looks like it will be not too hard for a caveman programmer.
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
>
> On 1/7/2012 4:24 PM, doerryn wrote:
> > Bill,
> >
> > The Schematic is located at ...
> >
> > http://doerry.org/norbert/train/20111229MC-Searchlight-PIC.pdf
> >
> > The assembly language program is located at ....
> >
> > http://doerry.org/norbert/train/20120102morse-code-spotlight.asm
> >
> > I bought the PIC (as I do most of my electronic supplies) from
> Jameco Electronics (http://www.jameco.com) Most of the PICs are only a
> couple of dollars. Some of the more elaborate ones can run 5 or 6 dollars.
> >
> > To program the PIC, I used a PICKIT 3 that I bought from DIGI-KEY.
> The PICKIT 3 also includes a demonstration board to practice on. Only
> thing is that the demo board I received had a newer PIC chip on it
> than the example programs provided on the CD. It took me about 2 days
> to learn enough about the system and how to read the data sheets to
> modify the examples so that they would work. Hopefully the examples
> will be updated soon.
> >
> > To program the PIC I used for this project, I prototyped the project
> on a prototyping board. The PICKIT 3 connects via a 6 pin header (that
> I also purchased from Jameco). The software that comes with the PICKIT
> 3 lets you "compile" the code and download it into the PIC via the
> PICKIT 3.
> >
> > Have fun,
> >
> > Norbert
> >
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67626 From: LB Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: My Walmart has Reduced M2 Auto Haulers
Walmart here is currently selling the M2 auto hauler series for $11 + tax. Check your local store for similar deals if you interested in these neat 1/64 trucks.

paflyerman
Group: S-Trains Message: 67627 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: Two new recruits
Hi all:
The tree is down, but the train remains. Here are two new recruits
visiting Norway from California. Must say that the F7A diesel purchased
and picked up from SHS in NJ (along with powered B and second A units)
many years ago(~8-10???) was never taken out of the box. Took it out
today, did almost nothing to it, set it on the tracks, and it performed
exceptionally well. Quality shows.
Happy new year to all.
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67628 From: David Highfield Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: The future generation
Granddad: "Who wants to go downstairs and run the trains?"
Grandchildren (playing with laptop, smart phone, and iPad) : No response.
Granddad: My trains include electronics, computer chips, and a remote but they
don't have a touch screen or games.
Grandchildren (playing with laptop, smart phone, and iPad): No response.

So granddad went to play with the model trains all by himself.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67629 From: Dave Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: AKRON, CANTON & YOUNGSTOWN Decals (Advertisement)
Here are some decals that our friends in OHIO should appreciate. We have up loaded images of the A.C.&Y. HERALD and a set of A.C.&Y. decals for an AF #300 series E&T. Please use the link below to view hare at the group site:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/list?order=ordinal

They are for sale at our web site. Please use this link to purchase:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html

Thank you all for your comntinuing support.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872
Group: S-Trains Message: 67630 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: The future generation
All too true. Granddad can get the younger ones down to the basement to "play trains," but as they enter their pre-teen years, they begin to move away from what their parents and grandparents like to do, and start to create their own lives. After many years working with school kids, I can tell you that once they become "self aware" they are lost to our ways.
And why not? WE DID THE SAME THING! It's called "growing up" and becoming your own person instead of the child of your parents.
While the tradition of toy trains was strong in our youth, it was because everyone saw trains regularly, and many of us wanted to be railroad engineers. Trains were a key technology.
That has faded for decades, and at the beginning of the Twenty First Century, railroads are still important, but less common in the eyes of children than cars and airplanes. The technology which made our trains work is long replaced by the technology of hand held devices and computers which kids themselves use every day now.
We find this turn of events sad, they see it as progress.
There will always be some kids who will like the things we do, after all, I like the steam trains, vintage cars, and propeller driven aircraft, even though they started disappearing during my youth.
Maybe we should stop worrying about wanting all kids to follow us and just enjoy OUR love of trains? As a "senior citizen," I have entered the third phase of life, and have come to realize that I have more memories than days ahead. I intend to enjoy as many as I have left! Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 67631 From: zemouse2001 Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: Re: The future generation
My grandkids are interested (no electronics) in my trains. My grandson (5-1/2 yrs old and with the attention span of a nat) will play with them - putting things on the track, running the train from here to there, etc. Good for 15 minutes max. My granddaughter (9 yrs old) likes to get out Fisher Price people, put a farm down and then run trains around, taking people and animals here and there, etc. Key in all cases - simple loop of track, old Lionel and/or Marx trains and I don't get too(?) hyper if the train goes off the track due to over enthusiastic use of the throttle. Don't let them beat it up that much but only wince a bit when something gets crunched.

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, David Highfield <davidhighmd@...> wrote:
>
> Granddad: "Who wants to go downstairs and run the trains?"
> Grandchildren (playing with laptop, smart phone, and iPad) : No response.
> Granddad: My trains include electronics, computer chips, and a remote but they
> don't have a touch screen or games.
> Grandchildren (playing with laptop, smart phone, and iPad): No response.
>
> So granddad went to play with the model trains all by himself.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67632 From: mikenguy9 Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: screws for Flyer track
I recall some one mentioned screws for Flyer track being 0 size. do not recall what leenght but would 3/8 inch be long enough?

Micro Fasteners in New Jersey has some I thought here, or maybe An American Flyer web site, had mentioned it.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67633 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: Re: The future generation
>All too true.<

Then again, what goes around comes around.

Take black and white photography for instance. Wedding photographers now
shoot 50% of their jobs in B&W, and almost everyone wants at least some B&W.
In the Œ60¹s when color was the newest and neatest, no one wanted that
³Old-fashioned black and white.² O. Winston Link¹s iconic images of the
last days of steam on the N&W are a perfect example. When he first created
those remarkable photos, there was no market for them. Period. It took 20
years for the art world, train world and the public in general to realize
what a masterpiece collection he had assembled. Now his famous drive-in
movie photo brings $20,000 for an original 16x20 print, if you can find one
for sale.

My theory is that a similar thing may happen with trains, and newspapers for
that matter.

One of these days, folks will wake up and realize ³Hey, that stuff was
cool!²

IMHO.

Roy


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67634 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/8/2012, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67635 From: Larry Moore Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: Wiring Diagram
Does anybody in the group have wiring diagrams for Flyonel Alcos. I have a
4-8153 B&O pair, with electronic reversing unit. It has 2-black, 2-red,
2-yellow, and 2-brown wires. This unit is from 1981/83. I am trying to
replace with a board from 1993, with 2-black, 2-red, 1-brown, and 1 white.
Both are Lionel boards, and the engine, the later board came out of, and my
engine have dual motors. Hope someone can help. Thanks, Larry



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67636 From: robbe_wan@yahoo.com Date: 1/8/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Diagram
Click on link ... There should be a link to diagram on this page
http://www.mwkiner.com/crane/silver_flash.htm

On Jan 8, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote:

> Does anybody in the group have wiring diagrams for Flyonel Alcos. I have a
> 4-8153 B&O pair, with electronic reversing unit. It has 2-black, 2-red,
> 2-yellow, and 2-brown wires. This unit is from 1981/83. I am trying to
> replace with a board from 1993, with 2-black, 2-red, 1-brown, and 1 white.
> Both are Lionel boards, and the engine, the later board came out of, and my
> engine have dual motors. Hope someone can help. Thanks, Larry
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67637 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Flyer #35 Brakeman set in box
Anyone out there interested in a #35 set (3 Brakemen) in a pretty good
box.? It's for sale.
Contact off list.
Steve
208-376-1159 or email.
i

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67638 From: John Degnan Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Flat Car "Semi-Kit"... UPDATE TOO
The latest word from Chad Boas is that he now has a total of 84 orders for the SAL F-6 flat car!!!

WOW!!! Many thanks to everyone who got on this train with me!

Also, if everyone has not yet heard, these kits have now been definitely priced at $27 per kit plus $5 for S/H.

The kit will have the main car body, laser cut deck, and a piece of U channel for the stake pockets.

Chad also sent me two photos of a completed pilot model. Click the linke below to see these photos :

http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/F-6/ChadBoasSALF-6FlatPilot1.jpg

http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/F-6/ChadBoasSALF-6FlatPilot2.jpg

Thanks.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67639 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Diagram
Larry,
Try Steve Blackburn @ SnS trains in Boise.
Pete

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Moore
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2012 9:56 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring Diagram
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com

> Does anybody in the group have wiring diagrams for Flyonel
> Alcos. I have a
> 4-8153 B&O pair, with electronic reversing unit. It has 2-black,
> 2-red,
> 2-yellow, and 2-brown wires. This unit is from 1981/83. I am
> trying to
> replace with a board from 1993, with 2-black, 2-red, 1-brown,
> and 1 white.
> Both are Lionel boards, and the engine, the later board came out
> of, and my
> engine have dual motors. Hope someone can help. Thanks, Larry
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67640 From: srgriggs Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Striipping chrome from plastic AF shells
I have a well worn Silver Bullet locomotive and tender that I'm planning to repaint as part of a 'Royal Blue' set for my son. I've read many different recommendations on how to strip the chrome prior to repainting and wanted to get some feedback from people who have had success with this. I'm a little leary of the brake fluid approach as I've heard people state that the fluid seems to absorb into the plastic. I read a post stating that laundry detergent can strip chrome very efficiently, but I tried that with 'liquid Tide' this weekend on the sheetmetal tender with rather ineffective results.

I appreciate your feedback.

Sincerely,

Scott Griggs
Louisville, KY
Group: S-Trains Message: 67641 From: Larry Moore Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Diagram
Thank you, This is exactly what I was looking for. It is great to have this group, somebody always has the answer. Larry



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of robbe_wan@...
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 10:19 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring Diagram





Click on link ... There should be a link to diagram on this page
http://www.mwkiner.com/crane/silver_flash.htm

On Jan 8, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Larry Moore <mo2337@... <mailto:mo2337%40msn.com> > wrote:

> Does anybody in the group have wiring diagrams for Flyonel Alcos. I have a
> 4-8153 B&O pair, with electronic reversing unit. It has 2-black, 2-red,
> 2-yellow, and 2-brown wires. This unit is from 1981/83. I am trying to
> replace with a board from 1993, with 2-black, 2-red, 1-brown, and 1 white.
> Both are Lionel boards, and the engine, the later board came out of, and my
> engine have dual motors. Hope someone can help. Thanks, Larry
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67642 From: Herbert Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: s fest 2012
Does anyone know the date and location of the 2012 S Fest?
Thanks.
Herb W
Group: S-Trains Message: 67643 From: Scott Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: Striipping chrome from plastic AF shells
Scott,
I have been engaged in the same project for a couple of months. I have one go-to substance; Diet Coke. Diet Coke is safe and will eat right through thr chrome. Soak the shell and tender for about a day or two, then using an eraser, you can rub the chrome right off. Hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Scott Miller
Technician and Electrician of the S-Modulators

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> wrote:
>
> I have a well worn Silver Bullet locomotive and tender that I'm planning to repaint as part of a 'Royal Blue' set for my son. I've read many different recommendations on how to strip the chrome prior to repainting and wanted to get some feedback from people who have had success with this. I'm a little leary of the brake fluid approach as I've heard people state that the fluid seems to absorb into the plastic. I read a post stating that laundry detergent can strip chrome very efficiently, but I tried that with 'liquid Tide' this weekend on the sheetmetal tender with rather ineffective results.
>
> I appreciate your feedback.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Scott Griggs
> Louisville, KY
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67644 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Silver billet
Stripping chrome from plastic AF shells

If the loco is coated with metal, and not painted, I have used oven
cleaner to remove the metal film. Be careful this is strong stuff.
The metal tender can be cleaned with regular paint remover for metal.

Jerry
____________________________________________________________
53 Year Old Mom Looks 33
The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f0afecce366676481m06duc
Group: S-Trains Message: 67645 From: ken garber Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Constant Directional Lighting
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1a. Christmas in January
> Posted by: "rapidrail1" beachy3929@... rapidrail1
> Date: Sun Jan 8, 2012 5:32 am ((PST))
>
> The circus engine and new Christmas GP9 run great. I would like to
> convert them to DC, but am not sure how to remove the reverse circuitry and
> still have directional lights. It was very nice of Lionel to letter the
> new Christmas livery for the name I have been using on my custom Christmas
> equipment for the past few years, "North Pole Express". It fits right in.
>
> Wayne
>
> Directional lights in DC is very easy to do. 6 diodes in a
series/parallel configuration and low-voltage bulbs do nicely.

http://www.mrollins.com/constant.html

The same should work for LEDs too. Dropping resistors probably will be
required.

Ken


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67646 From: ot7@att.net Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: screws for Flyer track
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mikenguy9" <mikenguy9@...> wrote:
>
> I recall some one mentioned screws for Flyer track being 0 size. do not recall what leenght but would 3/8 inch be long enough?
>
> Micro Fasteners in New Jersey has some I thought here, or maybe An American Flyer web site, had mentioned it.
>
Size is #2 flat head wood screw.
3/8" long to short.
Need 5/8" or 3/4" length, made but hard to find.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67648 From: rzuerlein2001 Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: s fest 2012
Herb:

Just was browsing the Badgerland group site. They will be hosting the S Fest sometime in October. Exact site is not know, but usually in the Milwaukee area.

Roger Zuerlein

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Herbert" <hwass@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know the date and location of the 2012 S Fest?
> Thanks.
> Herb W
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67649 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: screws for Flyer track
Has anyone else tried Atlas Track Screws? I like them.
http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/ato/ato6094.htm

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida


On 1/9/2012 11:30 AM, ot7@... wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mikenguy9"<mikenguy9@...> wrote:
>> I recall some one mentioned screws for Flyer track being 0 size. do not recall what leenght but would 3/8 inch be long enough?
>>
>> Micro Fasteners in New Jersey has some I thought here, or maybe An American Flyer web site, had mentioned it.
>>
> Size #2 flat head wood screw.
> 3/8" long to short.
> Need 5/8" or 3/4" length, made but hard to find.
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67650 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Railroad Terminology
Hi All,

I'm suffering from a bout of CRS (Can't Remember S**t) today. What is the term for derailing a line of cars on a curve when the cars at the rear are too heavy?

Thanks,

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 67651 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: Railroad Terminology
I think it is string line-ing. Not conventional English, that one.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida


On 1/9/2012 1:45 PM, bull_gator_1 wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm suffering from a bout of CRS (Can't Remember S**t) today. What is the term for derailing a line of cars on a curve when the cars at the rear are too heavy?
>
> Thanks,
>
> BG1
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67652 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: Railroad Terminology
----- Original Message -----
From: bull_gator_1
. . . . . . . . What is the term for derailing a line of cars on a curve
when the cars at the rear are too heavy?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
Stringlining.
Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 67653 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Safe chrome removal thoughts
I like the idea of using soft drinks to soak chrome off of plastic. I imagine that it can be used to remove paint and decals as well since they are not "plated" on. Because you can drink what you don't use for chrome removal, it is obviously safer than brake fluid or oven cleaner. (Although, I did know a guy who drank Sterno many years ago.)
I have a few questions:
1. Wouldn't it be wise to use Diet drinks if you're Diabetic?
2. Because 7up, Sprite, and Sierra Mist are clear, can you watch the chrome soften up?
3. Do beer and whiskey work to remove chrome? >hick<
Stumpy in Appalachia :-)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67654 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: Striipping chrome from plastic AF shells
From my car modeling friend I have learned that a degreaser called Greased Lightning will remove chrome plating while not harming the plastic.
 
Bob
 srgriggs <sgriggs@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 11:26 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Striipping chrome from plastic AF shells


 
I have a well worn Silver Bullet locomotive and tender that I'm planning to repaint as part of a 'Royal Blue' set for my son. I've read many different recommendations on how to strip the chrome prior to repainting and wanted to get some feedback from people who have had success with this. I'm a little leary of the brake fluid approach as I've heard people state that the fluid seems to absorb into the plastic. I read a post stating that laundry detergent can strip chrome very efficiently, but I tried that with 'liquid Tide' this weekend on the sheetmetal tender with rather ineffective results.

I appreciate your feedback.

Sincerely,

Scott Griggs
Louisville, KY




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67655 From: fmoshenri88 Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: DC Operation of Post War Steam & Diesel Engines as well as the LTI D
Howdy
My name is Hank
I am 70 + years old and retired.
First engine - 1946 4-6-2 Pacific 312 Type I SIT, Christmas of 46 or 47?
In the process of putting together a brand new 8X20 layout into operation.
I would very much like to run my engines on DC rather than AC.
Will be using #14, 15, 16 DC devices. Mainly the #14 & 16 Rectiformers.
Looking for any and all pro's and con's to this concept!
Any one with previous experience on DC operation, I would welcome their imput especially.
Many Thanks
Hank
Group: S-Trains Message: 67656 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: DC Operation of Post War Steam & Diesel Engines as well as the L
Hi Hank and Welcome to the Group,

I like DC operation for these trains. One big plus is that dirty track
or wheels does not force a sudden stop or reversal. Another is that is
is pretty simple to hook up simple signals to indicate the direction,
occupancy and other things of that nature.

A big plus on this group is that you can expect a variety of opinions on
this or most any subject. Sift through them and then make your own
choice. I hope you will keep us posted on your progress, consider photos
and YouTube for those visual reports.

Bill ( getting close to 70)

Bill Porter
South Florida


On 1/9/2012 3:57 PM, fmoshenri88 wrote:
> Howdy
> My name is Hank
> I am 70 + years old and retired.
> First engine - 1946 4-6-2 Pacific 312 Type I SIT, Christmas of 46 or 47?
> In the process of putting together a brand new 8X20 layout into operation.
> I would very much like to run my engines on DC rather than AC.
> Will be using #14, 15, 16 DC devices. Mainly the #14& 16 Rectiformers.
> Looking for any and all pro's and con's to this concept!
> Any one with previous experience on DC operation, I would welcome their imput especially.
> Many Thanks
> Hank
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67657 From: Roy Meissner Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Fall S Fest
The 2012 Fall S Fest will be held in Waukesha WI, which is just west of Milwaukee WI. The convention hotel is just about 1/4 mile north of I-94. And we have a good hotel rate. Registration forms and info will be mailed out in May. The date is Nov 2, 3, and 4. The 4th is for layout tours.

Roy J Meissner
registrar

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67658 From: Jerry Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Re: U33C arrived
Gents,

Well, at first I thought my loco was level, but it wasn't. However, slight pressure on the shell at the front end over the truck seated it better and it's perfectly level now. So, I didn't have to take it apart yet! I powered it up with a Gilbert transformer, and it took right off. It runs smoothly, even at lower power settings, and seems to be getting better. The marker and head/rear lights work fine (including the number boards), the reverse unit sequences nicely, and the sounds ramp up as the speed increases, just as promised. I had to turn down the sound level, though. It was LOUD! The smoke unit works too, but then I didn't expect it to have one in the first place! However, the fan noise is a bit much. Perhaps that's why the sounds were turned up so loud. But with more cars behind it, the rumble of the wheels will probably drown it all out anyway.

Over all, I like the loco. I haven't pulled anything but the accompanying caboose yet, but then, I need to lay more track. I'm working on a new layout featuring SHS flextrack and hand made switches. Lots of "work" to do, but it's all fun. And if it isn't fun, why do it?

By the way, what's the recommended routine that Lionel recommends for break-in and further lubrication? The manual is rather sketchy.

Jerry
Group: S-Trains Message: 67659 From: charlie and edith Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Pull Mor tire band replacement
Greetings!
What glue have you found most workable in fixing the Pull Mor tire band to the drive wheel?
Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
Charlie

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67660 From: vito4cal Date: 1/9/2012
Subject: Annoucement: S West 7 - Northern California - One Month Away
Hope to see you all at the show.

~ John Gibson


> > 2012 O Scale West & S West 7
> >
> > Largest S scale show west of the Mississippi!
> >
> > There will be S standard and narrow gauge dealers, clinics, videos, door prizes & contest.
> >
> > The BASS club will have their modular layout up and running – bring your equipment to run on the layout. Equipment must meet NASG standards. There will also be a Sn3 display.
> >
> > Convention info:
> >
> > February 9-11, 2012
> > Hyatt Regency Santa Clara
> > 5101 Great America Parkway
> > Santa Clara, CA 95054
> > Reservations: 800-233-1234
> > Hotel Switchboard: 408-200-1234
> > Hotel Fax: 408-980-3939
> >
> > Admission: $25 for registrations postmarked by December 31, 2011; $30 at the door
> >
> > Table Rentals: $35/table if registration is postmarked by December 31, 2011; $40 after December 31, 2011, electrical hook up is free.
> >
> > Additional information & registration forms available at: http://www.oscalewest.com
> >
> > Additional questions, please contact John Gibson offline.
> >
> > Look forward to seeing you at the show.
> >
> > S West Convention Committee,
> >
> > John Gibson
> > Lee Johnson
> > Bill McClung
> > Howard Sheffield
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67661 From: Herbert Date: 1/10/2012
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Thanks for the info., Roy and Roger
Group: S-Trains Message: 67662 From: Ron Inscho Date: 1/10/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Diagram
These two engines are not the same , The B&O engine is of the early design and has double wound fields on the motors where as the later engine has can motors that run on DC provided by the reverse unit. these reverse units are not interchangeable

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67663 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/10/2012
Subject: DC: Come to the Dark Side
I come from the "scale" side of the model railroad hobby having worked at least a little in every scale from Z up to ride on size 7 1/2" gauge trains over the years. From that background I am different from most of the gang here in that I am a builder and confirmed DC power guy.
Since 2000 when I returned to S for the third time, I have rebuilt 21 old Flyer junk box locos (I don't touch the good stuff), kit bashing and customizing them as well. Every one had a DC can motor installed and the reverse unit taken out. The can motors run cooler and draw less power. I run off DC power packs just like HO or G scale. This has eliminated all the complication and poor reliability of using the old Flyer AC stuff.
With only a few exceptions here, I am considered the Darth Vader of old Flyer. If you wish to "come to the dark side" please contact me off list. My fire retardant cloak is getting badly scorched.:-)
Stumpy Stone in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 67664 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/10/2012
Subject: Re: DC: Come to the Dark Side
Stumpy,
     The DARK SIDE is always a good place to be. It's always "COOL" there.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872
 


--- On Tue, 1/10/12, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] DC: Come to the Dark Side
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2012, 8:48 AM



 



I come from the "scale" side of the model railroad hobby having worked at least a little in every scale from Z up to ride on size 7 1/2" gauge trains over the years. From that background I am different from most of the gang here in that I am a builder and confirmed DC power guy.
Since 2000 when I returned to S for the third time, I have rebuilt 21 old Flyer junk box locos (I don't touch the good stuff), kit bashing and customizing them as well. Every one had a DC can motor installed and the reverse unit taken out. The can motors run cooler and draw less power. I run off DC power packs just like HO or G scale. This has eliminated all the complication and poor reliability of using the old Flyer AC stuff.
With only a few exceptions here, I am considered the Darth Vader of old Flyer. If you wish to "come to the dark side" please contact me off list. My fire retardant cloak is getting badly scorched.:-)
Stumpy Stone in Ahia








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Group: S-Trains Message: 67665 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/10/2012
Subject: Real Train stuff
I am reading a book by a Tom Murray, Rails Across Canada, which is in 2 parts.

Part 1 is about the Canadian Pacific and part 2 is about the Canadian National.

I do know that the Canadian Broadcast Company was started by the CN, in 1936 for passengers as Linda and I listen to the CBC2 for music. Also to the CBC Canadian Singer Songwriters link.

I normally read books about someone to do with US History or baseball, as my real train knowledge is minimal. I saw this book in my Plasticville Collectors Newsletter. The book is over 300 pages, with great pictures and a lot of text, a big book, like 18 inches by 18 inches, maybe a tad smaller. It is on Amazon, I last saw for about 21.00.

Anyway, I learned that rails come in different weights, as in time, they put down heavier rails.

The books tells about rock ballast being better then gravel for drainage, as I thought gravel was a rock. but okay, a different type of rock. Hmm, I have real rock ballast on my layout. There was no mention of roofing products or kitty litter for ballast that comes on these list from time to time.

I also learned that cabooses in Canada where called Vans at one time.

The other problem for the CP line was price control for freight rates after both World Wars. It killed the profit, as they had to cut back on many things. They did have some ocean liners and hotels, so that helped.

When the diesel engines came about and finally replaced all the Steam locos, it caused employment problems with the firemen on the line. Okay, fire people if any females where doing this, just to protect myself from getting chew out by anyone as I have in the pass.

Very interesting book, as I am up to where diesels are replacing the steamers. Photos are wonderful.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67666 From: R G Date: 1/10/2012
Subject: Re: DC: Come to the Dark Side
There is nothing wrong with can motors and DC power.  You get superior performance with them over the Gilbert Flyer motors.  That is why I own new American Models and S-Helper locomotives.  Keep up the great kitbashing!



________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 8:48 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] DC: Come to the Dark Side


 
I come from the "scale" side of the model railroad hobby having worked at least a little in every scale from Z up to ride on size 7 1/2" gauge trains over the years. From that background I am different from most of the gang here in that I am a builder and confirmed DC power guy.
Since 2000 when I returned to S for the third time, I have rebuilt 21 old Flyer junk box locos (I don't touch the good stuff), kit bashing and customizing them as well. Every one had a DC can motor installed and the reverse unit taken out. The can motors run cooler and draw less power. I run off DC power packs just like HO or G scale. This has eliminated all the complication and poor reliability of using the old Flyer AC stuff.
With only a few exceptions here, I am considered the Darth Vader of old Flyer. If you wish to "come to the dark side" please contact me off list. My fire retardant cloak is getting badly scorched.:-)
Stumpy Stone in Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67667 From: Art Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: U33C quality control
I just received my U33C from Charles Ro and unpacked it carefully. First thing I noticed was there is no Manual or paperwork of any kind in the box. It has the orange plug, a long pipette type eyedropper,a clear funnel, and dessicant bag. That was all that was packed with the engine. Could anyone tell me what came in your U33C box?? The paint job is the biggest concern right now as I seem to have a factory error. On the left side of the body there are no yellow stripes above and below the maroon stripe. They are present on the right side! The box seems in good shape but I have a broken handrail from the front right side. These are very fragile handrails. The rails are loose several other places but that likely prevented them from breaking off as well. I am assuming it will have to go back.

Art
Group: S-Trains Message: 67668 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: DC: Come to the Dark Side
And I convert Flyer locos to can motors by the hundreds....Steve


In a message dated 1/10/2012 4:10:19 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
keyhole_corona@... writes:

There is nothing wrong with can motors and DC power. You get superior
performance with them over the Gilbert Flyer motors. That is why I own new
American Models and S-Helper locomotives. Keep up the great kitbashing!




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67669 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: DC: Come to the Dark Side
Stumpy,

Like you I have converted most of my AC stuff to DC, for the same reasons. Exceptions are the Lionel and AM stuff with sound (SHS runs either way). I also convert my newer Flyonel stuff. However, the newest stuff has directional lighting and I have not figured out how to convert it to DC and keep the directional lighting.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> I come from the "scale" side of the model railroad hobby having worked at least a little in every scale from Z up to ride on size 7 1/2" gauge trains over the years. From that background I am different from most of the gang here in that I am a builder and confirmed DC power guy.
> Since 2000 when I returned to S for the third time, I have rebuilt 21 old Flyer junk box locos (I don't touch the good stuff), kit bashing and customizing them as well. Every one had a DC can motor installed and the reverse unit taken out. The can motors run cooler and draw less power. I run off DC power packs just like HO or G scale. This has eliminated all the complication and poor reliability of using the old Flyer AC stuff.
> With only a few exceptions here, I am considered the Darth Vader of old Flyer. If you wish to "come to the dark side" please contact me off list. My fire retardant cloak is getting badly scorched.:-)
> Stumpy Stone in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67670 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: U33C quality control
I received mine in very good shape. I think what you are missing, besides your operator's manual, is the replacement rubber treads and scale coupler adapters. The manual is absolutely necessary. I finally found time to run mine yesterday and everything seemed to work fine except: (1) it seems to stop on curve track - I use SHS 24" R curve. Increasing power seems to make it go again. (2) I also don't notice the engine sounds increasing with the increase in power/speed. I think someone else mentioned this.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Art" <sgauger@...> wrote:
>
> I just received my U33C from Charles Ro and unpacked it carefully. First thing I noticed was there is no Manual or paperwork of any kind in the box. It has the orange plug, a long pipette type eyedropper,a clear funnel, and dessicant bag. That was all that was packed with the engine. Could anyone tell me what came in your U33C box?? The paint job is the biggest concern right now as I seem to have a factory error. On the left side of the body there are no yellow stripes above and below the maroon stripe. They are present on the right side! The box seems in good shape but I have a broken handrail from the front right side. These are very fragile handrails. The rails are loose several other places but that likely prevented them from breaking off as well. I am assuming it will have to go back.
>
> Art
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67671 From: sgaugian Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: screws for Flyer track
I used to use Gargraves black Phillips head track screws. They come in
different lengths. Used to drill the tie hole out to 1/8" so threads of
screw passed through the tie sheet metal. Worked great. Still keep
some on hand at shows where our club layout uses Flyer and K-Line track.
At home I switched to S-Trax.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67672 From: R G Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: U33C quality control
On another forum someone else posted pictures of their Erie Loco missing the stripes on the left side.  The booklet I got was between the outer box and the AF box in a plastic bag.  The rails sounds do increase with speed but you have to be going rather fast to notice the difference.  If all else fails you can at least mask off and paint your own stripes.



________________________________
From: rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:20 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: U33C quality control


 
I received mine in very good shape. I think what you are missing, besides your operator's manual, is the replacement rubber treads and scale coupler adapters. The manual is absolutely necessary. I finally found time to run mine yesterday and everything seemed to work fine except: (1) it seems to stop on curve track - I use SHS 24" R curve. Increasing power seems to make it go again. (2) I also don't notice the engine sounds increasing with the increase in power/speed. I think someone else mentioned this.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Art" <sgauger@...> wrote:
>
> I just received my U33C from Charles Ro and unpacked it carefully. First thing I noticed was there is no Manual or paperwork of any kind in the box. It has the orange plug, a long pipette type eyedropper,a clear funnel, and dessicant bag. That was all that was packed with the engine. Could anyone tell me what came in your U33C box?? The paint job is the biggest concern right now as I seem to have a factory error. On the left side of the body there are no yellow stripes above and below the maroon stripe. They are present on the right side! The box seems in good shape but I have a broken handrail from the front right side. These are very fragile handrails. The rails are loose several other places but that likely prevented them from breaking off as well. I am assuming it will have to go back.
>
> Art
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67673 From: Brady Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Free Aircraft Models
With the upcoming mvie Red Tails, Fiddlers Green is offering free cardstock models of planes in the movie

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/

Right now they have the ME109 and 262 avalable, and the B-17 is supposed to be the next offering. The sites pages are a little busy, so you have to hunt a little for the "free" links.


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 67674 From: Anthony Cynor Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: U33C quality control
Get hold of the vendor immediately and inform them of your problems.
You have a defective product.
Don't wait around!

Tony
Group: S-Trains Message: 67675 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: DC: Come to the Dark Side
Hey, I just had a thought! ...If folks consider me the Darth Vader of DC, then certainly Steve is the Emporer of the DC Empire! After all, he created the DC can motor conversions many of us use!
Or is it the other way around? Are we the Rebel Alliance struggling against the AC Empire?
May the Gilbert be with you!
Stumpy in the outer regions... :-)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67676 From: Jerry Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: U33C quality control
Art,

I too have a loco with a broken hand rail. The left one on the short
hood. Yes, they are fragile, but I'll fabricate one out of brass rod,
and install it myself. It's not worth sending it back for such an item.
I may replace the right hand one as well. My loco is in the Great
Northern paint scheme, and isn't as complicated as the E-L one. And the
short hood is black, so I didn't notice the broken hand rail until
yesterday. Until I saw your post, it drove me nuts (a very short trip)
looking all over the place for the missing hand rail.

You can download the missing manual on the Lionel website.

Jerry
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Art" <sgauger@...> wrote:
>
> I just received my U33C from Charles Ro and unpacked it
carefully.....but I have a broken handrail from the front right side.
These are very fragile handrails.... I am assuming it will have to go
back.
>
> Art
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67677 From: Rich Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: Morse Code Searchlight Car
I also thought about using LEDs with the legs switched with the crossing warning crossbuck so that one light is lit with DC at one polarity and the other lights up when the polarity is switched -- haven't implemented it, but it sounds like Norbert has. In terms of powering the bell, wouldn't it be possible to have the circuitry simply switch a relay that could handle the power for the bell and, say, leave the bell powered from the ~16 v AC?? That would keep the timing and light circuitry (especially using LEDs) low power(?).

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doerryn" <doerry@...> wrote:
>
> George,
>
> I like your project. I built a couple of circuits to "wig-wag" the 760 crossings. So I wouldn't have to modify the 760, I replaced the lightbulbs with LEDs. DC power of one polarity would light one LED, and DC power of the other polarity would light the other. Since I wasn't working with a bell, I used a simple 555 timer.
>
> On by bucket list is making the bell with a 600 crossing gate "ding" like you have. I just haven't gotten around to doing so.
>
> Have a great day,
>
> Norbert
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@> wrote:
> >
> > On 1/7/2012 10:17 AM, doerryn wrote:
> > > Last March I modified a searchlight car to send a repeated morse code
> > > message. I used components that I already had, which resulted in a
> > > circuit that was a bit more complicated than it had to be. In December I
> > > took some vacation time and dedicated two days to learning how to
> > > program PIC microcontrollers.
> >
> > I built a circuit to make the 759 crossing bell wig-wag and ding using a
> > PIC microprocessor. It works really well but I had to use a pretty
> > stiff power supply and a serious pass transistor as the bell draws quite
> > a bit of current. http://www.acgilbert.net/759c.htm
> >
> > Nut and Volts magazine recently had a similar project for HO where it
> > was all in assembly language and generated the bell sound digitally.
> >
> > I may go back and revisit my circuit to do something similar.
> >
> > George Cohn
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67678 From: ekaplan707 Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: For Sale-Lionel Early 1980s B&O PA1/PB1/PA1 Freight Set
8153, 8154 and 8155 engines and 6 B&O freight cars. Engine runs but needs a break-in period. These are brand new mint with original individual boxes. No set box. I am the original owner.

If you interested please contact me off list and make an offer. Shipping would be extra so if you do contact me please provide your zip code.

Thank you for looking.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67679 From: R G Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: DC: Come to the Dark Side
LOL  I think you have been sniffing too much AC ozone lately.



________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:20 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: DC: Come to the Dark Side


 
Hey, I just had a thought! ...If folks consider me the Darth Vader of DC, then certainly Steve is the Emporer of the DC Empire! After all, he created the DC can motor conversions many of us use!
Or is it the other way around? Are we the Rebel Alliance struggling against the AC Empire?
May the Gilbert be with you!
Stumpy in the outer regions... :-)




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67680 From: Bob Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: New Classic AF Available
Hi S-Train members. I have displayed new American Flyer classic trains on my website at www.americanflyertrains4u.com. I have listed a 21130 Hudson with steel wheels; 23791 Cow-On-track; a 583A Electromagnetic Crane with box; and, two B & O Royal Blues, one with wire rails and the other cast rails. I wish everyone good health, happiness and peace in the year ahead. Remember, keep S-Gauge alive.

Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 67681 From: sgaugian Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Rochester Train Attractions
Any suggestions on train related things to do in the Rochester, NY area? Thanks. Will be there for a couple of days soon.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67682 From: R G Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale-Lionel Early 1980s B&O PA1/PB1/PA1 Freight Set
These are nice looking sets with the original style Flyer motors.  I have two of them so I don't need any more, but they would be a nice addition to any collection.



________________________________
From: ekaplan707 <ekaplan@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:59 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale-Lionel Early 1980s B&O PA1/PB1/PA1 Freight Set


 
8153, 8154 and 8155 engines and 6 B&O freight cars. Engine runs but needs a break-in period. These are brand new mint with original individual boxes. No set box. I am the original owner.

If you interested please contact me off list and make an offer. Shipping would be extra so if you do contact me please provide your zip code.

Thank you for looking.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67683 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Road-specific detail -- Re: [S-Trains] U33C quality control
----- Original Message -----
From: Art
. . . . . . .The paint job is the biggest concern right now as I seem to
have a factory error. . . . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > >
I opened my BN unit as soon as I got it and it looked good to me. Art's
message prompted me to open my CR unit, up to now just sitting here in its
shipping box.

It looks good too, and I noticed the 3-chime horn is in a location different
from that of the BN unit. I presume that's the way the real ones are. I
will have to do a little research on the internet to verify.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 67684 From: jenna10erin07 Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Light Bulb for American Flyer 630 Caboose
Where can I purchase a replacement light bulb for an American Flyer 630 caboose? I am not even sure what kind of light bulb I need since its missing. I a new to this model train stuff as I now have my dad's American Flyer Train set from 1948. I have a AF 314AW. I was able to get the whistle workinh again but still needs some work, which I will attempt next Christmas. I also have the stock yard which I was able to get a friend at work to resolder the wires for me. I am excited to slowly improve the trains as this was the first year I set them up for my 4 years and 18months of girls.

Thank You
Group: S-Trains Message: 67685 From: Art Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: U33C quality control
I want to thank everyone who commented. I called Charles Ro and am sending this one back to them, they are sending me their last EL. Will let the group know how that one measures up. Art

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote:
>
> Art,
>
> I too have a loco with a broken hand rail. The left one on the short
> hood. Yes, they are fragile, but I'll fabricate one out of brass rod,
> and install it myself. It's not worth sending it back for such an item.
> I may replace the right hand one as well. My loco is in the Great
> Northern paint scheme, and isn't as complicated as the E-L one. And the
> short hood is black, so I didn't notice the broken hand rail until
> yesterday. Until I saw your post, it drove me nuts (a very short trip)
> looking all over the place for the missing hand rail.
>
> You can download the missing manual on the Lionel website.
>
> Jerry
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Art" <sgauger@> wrote:
> >
> > I just received my U33C from Charles Ro and unpacked it
> carefully.....but I have a broken handrail from the front right side.
> These are very fragile handrails.... I am assuming it will have to go
> back.
> >
> > Art
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67686 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulb for American Flyer 630 Caboose
Hi. You can order the bulbs for the 630 Caboose and other cars from Doug
Peck at www.portlines.com. The bulb is number 432, which is 18 volt. He
also carries a whole line of bulbs including those for engines. Take care.



Bob in Tennessee



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of jenna10erin07
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 4:36 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Light Bulb for American Flyer 630 Caboose





Where can I purchase a replacement light bulb for an American Flyer 630
caboose? I am not even sure what kind of light bulb I need since its
missing. I a new to this model train stuff as I now have my dad's American
Flyer Train set from 1948. I have a AF 314AW. I was able to get the whistle
workinh again but still needs some work, which I will attempt next
Christmas. I also have the stock yard which I was able to get a friend at
work to resolder the wires for me. I am excited to slowly improve the trains
as this was the first year I set them up for my 4 years and 18months of
girls.

Thank You





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Group: S-Trains Message: 67687 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulb for American Flyer 630 Caboose
Hello Jenna,

At least I hope that is your name. I like to get parts from Doug at
Portlines Hobbies: http://www.portlines.com/

That bunch has the parts and the know-how. Their site also has clinics
that are on point and helpful for all sorts of Flyer fixing. There are
other folks too. I trust some of our colleagues will supply contact info
for them as well.

Welcome!

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida


On 1/11/2012 5:36 PM, jenna10erin07 wrote:
> Where can I purchase a replacement light bulb for an American Flyer 630 caboose? I am not even sure what kind of light bulb I need since its missing. I a new to this model train stuff as I now have my dad's American Flyer Train set from 1948. I have a AF 314AW. I was able to get the whistle workinh again but still needs some work, which I will attempt next Christmas. I also have the stock yard which I was able to get a friend at work to resolder the wires for me. I am excited to slowly improve the trains as this was the first year I set them up for my 4 years and 18months of girls.
>
> Thank You
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67688 From: rick gough Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: Real Train stuff
Mike,
 
I'm sure everyone will appreciate your heads up on a very good history of Canadian rail. One of my custom K5's is a Grand Trunk. In the early '70's I rode the Canadian Pacific, I believe, non stop from Vancouver to Montreal; a beautiful Northern Lights display out the Vista Dome followed by a middle of the night stop in Banff, Alberta, stepping out the back of the car to a beautiful cold snow fall, in early September. Long, long run across their great plains and a beautiful long run around Lake Superior. Quite a trip, if very long, definitely my ultimate train experience that is high up there in the fond memory banks!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67689 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/11/2012
Subject: Re: Real Train stuff
http://www.nfb.ca/film/railroaders

Rick,

You are welcome, as yes, the Grand Trunk is mentioned in the book.

That must have been a neat trip for you as that is great you have those memories of it.

The above is a neat film about RR workers in Canada and a town they live in, from 1958, I think.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:50 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Real Train stuff


Mike,

I'm sure everyone will appreciate your heads up on a very good history of Canadian rail. One of my custom K5's is a Grand Trunk. In the early '70's I rode the Canadian Pacific, I believe, non stop from Vancouver to Montreal; a beautiful Northern Lights display out the Vista Dome followed by a middle of the night stop in Banff, Alberta, stepping out the back of the car to a beautiful cold snow fall, in early September. Long, long run across their great plains and a beautiful long run around Lake Superior. Quite a trip, if very long, definitely my ultimate train experience that is high up there in the fond memory banks!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67690 From: R G Date: 1/12/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulb for American Flyer 630 Caboose
The light bulbs are still rather easy to find at Radio Shack and similiar locations.  12, 14 or 18 volt bulbs will work.  The only difference is that the higher volt bulbs will not be quite as bright but tend to last longer.  At a radio parts store near me I can buy them by the box.



________________________________
From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Light Bulb for American Flyer 630 Caboose


 
Hello Jenna,

At least I hope that is your name. I like to get parts from Doug at
Portlines Hobbies: http://www.portlines.com/

That bunch has the parts and the know-how. Their site also has clinics
that are on point and helpful for all sorts of Flyer fixing. There are
other folks too. I trust some of our colleagues will supply contact info
for them as well.

Welcome!

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida

On 1/11/2012 5:36 PM, jenna10erin07 wrote:
> Where can I purchase a replacement light bulb for an American Flyer 630 caboose? I am not even sure what kind of light bulb I need since its missing. I a new to this model train stuff as I now have my dad's American Flyer Train set from 1948. I have a AF 314AW. I was able to get the whistle workinh again but still needs some work, which I will attempt next Christmas. I also have the stock yard which I was able to get a friend at work to resolder the wires for me. I am excited to slowly improve the trains as this was the first year I set them up for my 4 years and 18months of girls.
>
> Thank You
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67691 From: Ben Date: 1/12/2012
Subject: american flyer PA12B311
Greetings:

Just got off the phone with a gentleman who was given my phone number after he was told I had some AF parts. I do, but not at all what he needed. He is in need of a RIGHT 30B Control Knob- according to my AF Service Manual Volume III, it is part number PA12B311.

One was found on eBay for $45, but he does not want to spend that much for he knows that a "new" 30B could be bought for 3x that much...and this is just for a knob.

Can anyone offer any leads on where this chap might find a good used part for a reasonable price?

Thanks-

Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 67692 From: Jeff Faust Date: 1/12/2012
Subject: Re: Rochester Train Attractions
Do you know which days of the week you'll be in town? The New York Museum of Transportation is open Sunday afternoons, the Rochester Model Railroad Club meets Mondays. The Lionel display at Edgarton Park might have hours, too (the best time to catch them is Christmastime). It's a little cold this time of year to catch the action where CSX crosses the Upper Falls, but if you dress warm...

--Jeff

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote:
>
> Any suggestions on train related things to do in the Rochester, NY area? Thanks. Will be there for a couple of days soon.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67693 From: charlie and edith Date: 1/12/2012
Subject: Flyer 336 Question
Greetings!

I have a problem with the 336, large motor, that I hope the "group" can help with. The engine came wireless and after finishing the wireing I assembeled it for tessting. It will go in reverse, working with just the side rod linkages, but will do only one wheel revolution before stopping going forward. With the armature
removed, the chassis wheels and smoke unit turn freely. The quartering looks correct but there is no play in the wheels or siderods when the armature hits its stop point, the same spot each time. I have removed one hex head screw at a time from the siderods to see if that would reveal a wheel out of quarter. I have changed the brush cap and tried different combinations of spacer washers but the problem persists.

What can I try next????

Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67694 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/12/2012
Subject: Re: american flyer PA12B311
Hi Ben,
� I may have one in stock.  Price is $25.00.  I must check my inventory. Please have your friend contact me seccia@....
Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 5:35 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] american flyer PA12B311


 
Greetings:

Just got off the phone with a gentleman who was given my phone number after he was told I had some AF parts. I do, but not at all what he needed. He is in need of a RIGHT 30B Control Knob- according to my AF Service Manual Volume III, it is part number PA12B311.

One was found on eBay for $45, but he does not want to spend that much for he knows that a "new" 30B could be bought for 3x that much...and this is just for a knob.

Can anyone offer any leads on where this chap might find a good used part for a reasonable price?

Thanks-

Ben




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67695 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer 336 Question
Sounds like the armature comutator face MAY be hitting the brush tubes in
that direction. Try a washer on that end and see.
Steve


In a message dated 1/12/2012 8:44:23 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
charlieandedith@... writes:




Greetings!

I have a problem with the 336, large motor, that I hope the "group" can
help with. The engine came wireless and after finishing the wireing I
assembeled it for tessting. It will go in reverse, working with just the side rod
linkages, but will do only one wheel revolution before stopping going
forward. With the armature
removed, the chassis wheels and smoke unit turn freely. The quartering
looks correct but there is no play in the wheels or siderods when the armature
hits its stop point, the same spot each time. I have removed one hex head
screw at a time from the siderods to see if that would reveal a wheel out
of quarter. I have changed the brush cap and tried different combinations of
spacer washers but the problem persists.

What can I try next????

Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67696 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Lamp Check on Mikado 2-8-2
Can someone provide information on how to check a boiler front lamp on the
L/AF Mikado without going to an authorized Lionel dealer? The lamp in the
headlight housing on the boiler front is loose and sometimes it lights and
at other times it does not work. I can't believe that my Owner's Manual
recommends that I have it repaired at a Lionel dealer. This is a great
engine, but I can't change a lamp?. Wow, this new technology is more than I
can handle. So, any information will be greatly appreciated.



Bob



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67697 From: Jimbo Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: 332 silver lettering 1947 dc voltage
it is offical i saw the train and it is complete except missing the link coupler, and there is minor rust on the hand rails, it runs but it is in need of cleaning and oiling, the club wants to sell it still,dont have original packing but the rectifier will come with it,(it is untested) i cannot afford it if anyone is interested can will post picture after next week forgot my cameria. jad01@... can contact me here tks Jim
Group: S-Trains Message: 67698 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: american flyer PA12B311
Hi Ben

You might want to try one of the following people they may have the part

Tom seccia triple s supply secia@...
Doug Peck portlines # 978-465-8798
Ron leventon leventons Hobby supply # 360-748-3643
Bill Parr Bill Par's Hobby Shop #215-757-1034
Trains and More p.o. box 1751 Manchester Ct 06045-1751

I have purchased parts from all of these places and they are reasonable.

Good Luck
Stan Sobieski
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 5:35 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] american flyer PA12B311



Greetings:

Just got off the phone with a gentleman who was given my phone number after he was told I had some AF parts. I do, but not at all what he needed. He is in need of a RIGHT 30B Control Knob- according to my AF Service Manual Volume III, it is part number PA12B311.

One was found on eBay for $45, but he does not want to spend that much for he knows that a "new" 30B could be bought for 3x that much...and this is just for a knob.

Can anyone offer any leads on where this chap might find a good used part for a reasonable price?

Thanks-

Ben





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Group: S-Trains Message: 67699 From: Timboy Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Bucky's Beer is Operational
Flyer Nation:

I am finished with my latest project. Kinda glad, really. I need a break. To see all the pics and details, you are invited to visit my blog at:

http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2012/01/buckys-beer-operational.html

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 67700 From: Joseph H Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer 336 Question
The 336 requires using the 5-wire wiring diagram, which can be causing the reverse only. As far as the binding problem, it sounds more like a quartering problem. The 4-8-4 have to be exact and using require using a jig. However, a friend just located another problem in doing a repair. Try replacing the bearing in the chasis between the chassis and the armature. It took him weeks to locate this problem.

Joe

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> I have a problem with the 336, large motor, that I hope the "group" can help with. The engine came wireless and after finishing the wireing I assembeled it for tessting. It will go in reverse, working with just the side rod linkages, but will do only one wheel revolution before stopping going forward. With the armature
> removed, the chassis wheels and smoke unit turn freely. The quartering looks correct but there is no play in the wheels or siderods when the armature hits its stop point, the same spot each time. I have removed one hex head screw at a time from the siderods to see if that would reveal a wheel out of quarter. I have changed the brush cap and tried different combinations of spacer washers but the problem persists.
>
> What can I try next????
>
> Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
> Charlie in W MI
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67701 From: Joseph H Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: american flyer PA12B311
Any large AF parts dealer carries reproductions of this right control knob. My price is $37.50. However, the left control knob, used only on the 18B & 30B, has never been repro'd and is next to impossible to find. I buy old 18B & 30B tranformer shells just to get this left control knob.

Joe

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings:
>
> Just got off the phone with a gentleman who was given my phone number after he was told I had some AF parts. I do, but not at all what he needed. He is in need of a RIGHT 30B Control Knob- according to my AF Service Manual Volume III, it is part number PA12B311.
>
> One was found on eBay for $45, but he does not want to spend that much for he knows that a "new" 30B could be bought for 3x that much...and this is just for a knob.
>
> Can anyone offer any leads on where this chap might find a good used part for a reasonable price?
>
> Thanks-
>
> Ben
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67702 From: rj4010d Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer 336 Question
you also might check the smoke unit drive .If the stud is not properly seated the hex head stud for the connecting arm can hit the chassis casting.It might catch rotating one way & not the other.Good Luck.
Bob G.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> I have a problem with the 336, large motor, that I hope the "group" can help with. The engine came wireless and after finishing the wireing I assembeled it for tessting. It will go in reverse, working with just the side rod linkages, but will do only one wheel revolution before stopping going forward. With the armature
> removed, the chassis wheels and smoke unit turn freely. The quartering looks correct but there is no play in the wheels or siderods when the armature hits its stop point, the same spot each time. I have removed one hex head screw at a time from the siderods to see if that would reveal a wheel out of quarter. I have changed the brush cap and tried different combinations of spacer washers but the problem persists.
>
> What can I try next????
>
> Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
> Charlie in W MI
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67703 From: tbennerohio Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Changing a tire
Could someone describe the process for changing a pull-mor tire on a loco that had factory tires? (316, 326, etc)

Does this involve removing and disassembling the wheel or can the old one be removed and the new one slipped over while the wheel is still on the chassis?

Thanks in advance.

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 67704 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Bucky's Beer is Operational
Job well done, what did you use to make the stucco finish on the brewery?

Is that some pikemaster track for the fire escape?

--- On Fri, 1/13/12, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote:


From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Bucky's Beer is Operational
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 13, 2012, 10:13 AM



 



Flyer Nation:

I am finished with my latest project. Kinda glad, really. I need a break. To see all the pics and details, you are invited to visit my blog at:

http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2012/01/buckys-beer-operational.html

Regards,
Timboy








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Group: S-Trains Message: 67705 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: S-Scale figures
Didn't MTH have a bag of figures? Actually very close to S size?
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 1/13/2012 16:25, Bob Werre wrote:
>
> Ed & Ed,
>
> Don't forget Fun & Games and PBL has some great steam era engine crews
> for some variety plus a couple of the Sn3 structure guys have some
> western figures that might work.
>
> It's too bad somebody can't bring back the PFM figures often marketed
> by the name of June's Small World (??)--these were beautifully hand
> painted. I also wish the old SSL&S would bring back their
> workman/engine crews. You might want to pass on the Huff n Puff
> people. I have one and he is a giant--one will do you.
>
> Bob Werre
>
>
> On 1/12/12 10:21 PM, Ed wrote:
>
>> Arttista is the best, although a bit pricey. Made in America. Ed L.
>>
>> --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> Edward Sauers <ehsauers1@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Group,
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a source for quality s-dcale figures, I need RR
>> related as well as farm, industrial, civilians etc, some setting,
>> walking and just waiting at a station. I want figure that look good
>> not like some of the ones I see on ebay that look like they came out
>> of a comic book.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Ed Sauers
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67706 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Changing a tire
You will need to remove the wheel as the tire pushes off to the inward side
and a new one pushes on from the outward side.

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 1/13/2012 11:21:32 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
tim.benner@... writes:




Could someone describe the process for changing a pull-mor tire on a loco
that had factory tires? (316, 326, etc)

Does this involve removing and disassembling the wheel or can the old one
be removed and the new one slipped over while the wheel is still on the
chassis?

Thanks in advance.

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio






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Group: S-Trains Message: 67707 From: R G Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Changing a tire
There are two kinds of pulmor tires.  A thinner pulmor tire was glued to a  regular metal tire. The thicker pulmore tire was for use with metal tires  or plastic wheels that had a recessed groove for the pulmor tire fit into.  The pulmor tires that fit into the grooves are not glued in place.  Just remove the side rods slip a small screw drived under the pulmor traction tire and slip off.  Just slip the new one into place and reattach the side rod.  The thin pulmor tires that are glued have to be scraped from the wheel rim.  Make sure that you get all of it.  I slip the new one in place, position it and use thin super glue along the edge.  The capilary action of the glue goes between the pulmor tire and the wheel holding it in place.


________________________________
From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 12:53 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Changing a tire


 
Could someone describe the process for changing a pull-mor tire on a loco that had factory tires? (316, 326, etc)

Does this involve removing and disassembling the wheel or can the old one be removed and the new one slipped over while the wheel is still on the chassis?

Thanks in advance.

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67708 From: R G Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: S-Scale figures
The figures are still available.  There is about 50+ unpainted figures in a package that are actual S-Scale. They have about a dozen different types of figures both standing and sitting adult and child.  Some of the prepainted sets labled for use in  passenger cars are also S-Scale.  I am nearly 6"7" so their slightly taller height looks fine to me . 



________________________________
From: Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...>
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-trains yahoo <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: {S-Scale List} Re: S-Scale figures


 
Didn't MTH have a bag of figures? Actually very close to S size?
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 1/13/2012 16:25, Bob Werre wrote:
>
> Ed & Ed,
>
> Don't forget Fun & Games and PBL has some great steam era engine crews
> for some variety plus a couple of the Sn3 structure guys have some
> western figures that might work.
>
> It's too bad somebody can't bring back the PFM figures often marketed
> by the name of June's Small World (??)--these were beautifully hand
> painted. I also wish the old SSL&S would bring back their
> workman/engine crews. You might want to pass on the Huff n Puff
> people. I have one and he is a giant--one will do you.
>
> Bob Werre
>
>
> On 1/12/12 10:21 PM, Ed wrote:
>
>> Arttista is the best, although a bit pricey. Made in America. Ed L.
>>
>> --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> Edward Sauers <ehsauers1@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Group,
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a source for quality s-dcale figures, I need RR
>> related as well as farm, industrial, civilians etc, some setting,
>> walking and just waiting at a station. I want figure that look good
>> not like some of the ones I see on ebay that look like they came out
>> of a comic book.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Ed Sauers
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67709 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: american flyer PA12B311
Hi Joe,
� Who makes reproductions of the PA12B311 Knobs? I would like to get some.
Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 11:11 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: american flyer PA12B311


 
Any large AF parts dealer carries reproductions of this right control knob. My price is $37.50. However, the left control knob, used only on the 18B & 30B, has never been repro'd and is next to impossible to find. I buy old 18B & 30B tranformer shells just to get this left control knob.

Joe

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings:
>
> Just got off the phone with a gentleman who was given my phone number after he was told I had some AF parts. I do, but not at all what he needed. He is in need of a RIGHT 30B Control Knob- according to my AF Service Manual Volume III, it is part number PA12B311.
>
> One was found on eBay for $45, but he does not want to spend that much for he knows that a "new" 30B could be bought for 3x that much...and this is just for a knob.
>
> Can anyone offer any leads on where this chap might find a good used part for a reasonable price?
>
> Thanks-
>
> Ben
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67710 From: Timboy Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Bucky's Beer is Operational
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, weidner@... wrote:
>
> Job well done, what did you use to make the stucco finish on the brewery?
>
> Is that some pikemaster track for the fire escape?
>
> --- On Fri, 1/13/12, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
Thanks! Please check back to my blog for my humorous response!

Regards,
Pedroboy
>
> From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Bucky's Beer is Operational
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, January 13, 2012, 10:13 AM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Flyer Nation:
>
> I am finished with my latest project. Kinda glad, really. I need a break. To see all the pics and details, you are invited to visit my blog at:
>
> http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2012/01/buckys-beer-operational.html
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67711 From: Lon Walker Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Bucky's Beer is Operational
    Hi Timboy,
 
    I like it. Good job with a great idea.  Lon Walker


________________________________
From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:13 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Bucky's Beer is Operational


 
Flyer Nation:

I am finished with my latest project. Kinda glad, really. I need a break. To see all the pics and details, you are invited to visit my blog at:

http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2012/01/buckys-beer-operational.html

Regards,
Timboy




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67712 From: rhicks308 Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Directional Remote Control
Would anyone happen to have a wiring diagram for the insides of the AF DRC control box? I have never seen one available, and was hoping I could make one. Thanks!

Randall
Group: S-Trains Message: 67713 From: R G Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Bucky's Beer is Operational
That is a great idea and use of an accessory,



________________________________
From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:45 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Bucky's Beer is Operational


 


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, weidner@... wrote:
>
> Job well done, what did you use to make the stucco finish on the brewery?
>
> Is that some pikemaster track for the fire escape?
>
> --- On Fri, 1/13/12, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
Thanks! Please check back to my blog for my humorous response!

Regards,
Pedroboy
>
> From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Bucky's Beer is Operational
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, January 13, 2012, 10:13 AM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Flyer Nation:
>
> I am finished with my latest project. Kinda glad, really. I need a break. To see all the pics and details, you are invited to visit my blog at:
>
> http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2012/01/buckys-beer-operational.html
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67714 From: rick gough Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer 336 Question
You probably have one of the valve rods, ones with the square mounting 'hole' that attach to the middle driver, out of sync and it is jamming. Find the right position for it and go foreward.....


rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67715 From: tbennerohio Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Changing a tire
Thank you gentlemen!

I was hoping that the (rubber) tire could be slipped off and the new one would stretch enough to slip on in the same way. But then I started thinking... sometimes that thinking pays off and sometimes it just complicates things.

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 67716 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Trains in Lancaster County
THREE Train Displays still open in Lancaster County, PA for the long
holiday weekend.

The CHOO CHOO BARN in Strasburg,( PA RT 741 EAST ) is open today thru
Monday, regular hours 10 AM til 4:30 PM. _www.choochoobarn.com_
(http://www.choochoobarn.com) Beautiful display featuring Lancaster County sites.
Admission charged.


SHORT LINE Model Railroad in Ephrata is Open Sunday from 1 to 4 PM, by
donation. Basement of 11 S. State Street (rear) _www.slmrc.com_
(http://www.slmrc.com)

Pequea Valley Model Railroaders, RT 30 & Township Dr, Paradise PA. FIVE
operating layouts, 3 interactive, including THOMAS & PERCY By Bachmann. "O"
Christmas morning, 2 "S" layouts & a LIONEL repro Dealer layout from 1955.
$ 2 donation requested, Open 1 to 4 PM, Saturdays & Sundays thru Jan 29.

_http://www.gartrain.com/PEQUEA_VALLEY_TRAINS.html_
(http://www.gartrain.com/PEQUEA_VALLEY_TRAINS.html) Jim Lyle 717-278-6007

Jim Lyle




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67717 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: New Layout Photos with Old AF
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/652648344/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=781&count=20&dir=asc

I took some new photos of the layout, except I took off all the modern SHS items from the layout, turned off the DCC and hooked the track to AC.

Then I put on some old AF on the layout, mainly the 1958 Pacemaker set I got as a kid as a 3 year old in 1958 and the 1958 NP Passenger set, I found in a old time hardware set, in boxes, with set box, in NJ, across the river from New Hope, PA. So you never know where you might find old AF.

I also put the Lionel AF diesels for the C&O with the AF Lionel C&O Hoppers under the coal loader behind the baseball wall. Reminds me of how things look in Reading PA with the minor league baseball field and RR tracks beyond the outfield.

I probably will re do the night shots at night since it was daylight and you can see light from the curtain coming into the train room.

Mike Marmer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67718 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Layout Photos with Old AF
Michael, that is just terrific!

Love the look. Are those telephone wires scratch?

Roy



From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:49:27 -0500
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] New Layout Photos with Old AF






http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/652648344/
view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=781&count=20&dir=asc

I took some new photos of the layout, except I took off all the modern SHS
items from the layout, turned off the DCC and hooked the track to AC.

Then I put on some old AF on the layout, mainly the 1958 Pacemaker set I got
as a kid as a 3 year old in 1958 and the 1958 NP Passenger set, I found in a
old time hardware set, in boxes, with set box, in NJ, across the river from
New Hope, PA. So you never know where you might find old AF.

I also put the Lionel AF diesels for the C&O with the AF Lionel C&O Hoppers
under the coal loader behind the baseball wall. Reminds me of how things
look in Reading PA with the minor league baseball field and RR tracks beyond
the outfield.

I probably will re do the night shots at night since it was daylight and you
can see light from the curtain coming into the train room.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67719 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Layout Photos with Old AF
Roy,

Hey, I deleted most of the below. See I can do it.

The telegraph poles, I got chewed out once for saying telephone pole, so never again, are from Lehigh Valley Kits. But then someone said they could be telephone poles along the RR line.

You can just order the metal telegraph arms, by them self and get a 3/16 wood dowel from Michael, cut the poles to the size you want,as I think they are 4 inches above the board and use a rat tail file on the dowel for the arm.

Paint any color you want, as I used floquil RR brown, not RR tie brown, but some other RR color, as I should of used RR tie brown, but they look fine.

I them put EZ Line on them, as that was EZ to do. Only took a hour for all 12 lines around.

Mike

From: Roy Inman
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 7:21 PM
To: S-trains
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Layout Photos with Old AF


Michael, that is just terrific!

Love the look. Are those telephone wires scratch?

Roy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 67720 From: Jimbo Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: stockyard
can anyone send me copy of the manual for the 771 stockyard, won one on ebay but no manual and the books i have dont show the hookup, photocopy are emailed copy will be just fine tks Jim
Group: S-Trains Message: 67721 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Train Show in Michigan, Sun 15 Jan
The big train show for this weekend in the southeast Michigan area will be held this Sunday, 15 January, at the Avondale High School, 2800 Waukegan, Auburn Hills Mich. The hours are from 10 AM till 3 PM.

I'll be there as usual with many tables of new AM, SHS, PRS, SSA, SMMW products.

The big spenders' discount coupon can be found at http://michmod.com/products.html

Tom Hawley -- Michigan Models



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67722 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: Bucky's Beer operational
Once again a great job! Nice work on integration of the accessory, and the structures as a whole. It also adds humor to something we tend to take too seriously...our layouts.
Have fun!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 67723 From: Lon Walker Date: 1/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Layout Photos with Old AF
   Hi Mike,
         The old trains look great on your beautiful layout. Looks like you have a very nice train room with lots of display area. What brand are the turnouts with the low mechanisms?   Lon Walker

 



________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S Trains <s-trains@...>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 5:49 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] New Layout Photos with Old AF


 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/652648344/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=781&count=20&dir=asc

I took some new photos of the layout, except I took off all the modern SHS items from the layout, turned off the DCC and hooked the track to AC.

Then I put on some old AF on the layout, mainly the 1958 Pacemaker set I got as a kid as a 3 year old in 1958 and the 1958 NP Passenger set, I found in a old time hardware set, in boxes, with set box, in NJ, across the river from New Hope, PA. So you never know where you might find old AF.

I also put the Lionel AF diesels for the C&O with the AF Lionel C&O Hoppers under the coal loader behind the baseball wall. Reminds me of how things look in Reading PA with the minor league baseball field and RR tracks beyond the outfield.

I probably will re do the night shots at night since it was daylight and you can see light from the curtain coming into the train room.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67724 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: Changing a tire
One of the AF REPAIR CLINICS on our website tells you how to repair
steam drivers.

The pullmor wheels NEVER had rubber bands glued to the wheels ! The
early wheels (both steam and diesel) had a rubber tread that was
VULCANIZED to the steel rim. There are glue-on replacement bands
available, and we carry them, but I usually discourage their use. They
don't hold up all that well under heavy use. You are better off pulling
and disassembling the wheel, and then rebuilding it with new outer
flanged rims that are made with a vulcanized rubber tread.....they will
last longer than we will !!! We have those available as well.....two
different steam versions (flange diameter), 0-8-0 version, and diesel
version.





<<<Does this involve removing and disassembling the wheel or can the old
one
be removed and the new one slipped over while the wheel is still on the
chassis?>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 67725 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: S-Scale figures
They did....and we still have those in stock.

100 unpainted, seated figures......S-scale, not O-scale....despite being
an MTH product.



<<<Didn't MTH have a bag of figures? Actually very close to S size?>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 67726 From: bedardleon Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: Adding sounds
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote:
>
> Since I know nothing about TMCC, I can't answer that question. Dallee makes
> both AC and DC sound units. They even come loco type specific for bell and
> whistle. He does not yet make DCC components. (trying to break him of
> that, but he's stubborn)...There are plenty of GOOD DCC sound units out there.
> Way too numerous to put here.
> Steve
>
>
> In a message dated 11/30/2011 3:10:25 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> tim.benner@... writes:
>
> Steve,
>
> Do the Dallee units work with TMCC as well? I would like to try one of
> those in a 364 but was not sure the TMCC Cab-1 controls would trigger the horn
> and bell, assuming the prime mover sound is controlled by track voltage.
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
> --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
> boss31@ wrote:
> >
> > There is regular AC sound available and all you need is a transformer
> with
> > a whistle/bell buttons. There are lots of Lionel ones out there along
> with
> > new ones by American Models and others. TMCC et.al. are not needed. You
> can
> > also use an American Flyer transformer with a couple of Lionel sound
> > activation buttons between it and the track. Your 18B would work fine.
> The
> > Lionel button number is 6-5906
> > I have installed several of these sound units (Dallee) in Flyer Locos.
> >
> > Steve
> > SnS Trains
> > Boise
>

Steve,
I understand that using my 18B, I need this Lionel button 6-5906: do you have and how much (+ shipping USPS to J0T2R0, Montreal area, Canada and PayPal ?)
Thanks.
Leon B.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67727 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: New Layout Photos with Old AF
Thanks Mike :)

I almost said telegraph poles, but changed it for some reason...

Neat technique. I will give it a go.

Roy



From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:34:20 -0500
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Layout Photos with Old AF






Roy,

Hey, I deleted most of the below. See I can do it.

The telegraph poles, I got chewed out once for saying telephone pole, so
never again, are from Lehigh Valley Kits. But then someone said they could
be telephone poles along the RR line.

You can just order the metal telegraph arms, by them self and get a 3/16
wood dowel from Michael, cut the poles to the size you want,as I think they
are 4 inches above the board and use a rat tail file on the dowel for the
arm.

Paint any color you want, as I used floquil RR brown, not RR tie brown, but
some other RR color, as I should of used RR tie brown, but they look fine.

I them put EZ Line on them, as that was EZ to do. Only took a hour for all
12 lines around.

Mike

From: Roy Inman
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 7:21 PM
To: S-trains
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Layout Photos with Old AF

Michael, that is just terrific!

Love the look. Are those telephone wires scratch?

Roy

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67728 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: New Layout Photos with Old AF
Lon,

Thank you for the compliment.

The switches with the mechanism are one unit.

They are from www.classictrains.com

Mike

From: Lon Walker
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 8:47 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Layout Photos with Old AF


Hi Mike,
The old trains look great on your beautiful layout. Looks like you have a very nice train room with lots of display area. What brand are the turnouts with the low mechanisms? Lon Walker



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67729 From: Herbert Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: stockyard
You can find instructions starting at page 50.

http://www.thortrains.net/flyermanual.pdf
<http://www.thortrains.net/flyermanual.pdf>


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jimbo" <jad01@...> wrote:
>
> can anyone send me copy of the manual for the 771 stockyard, won one
on ebay but no manual and the books i have dont show the hookup,
photocopy are emailed copy will be just fine tks Jim
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67730 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: New Layout Photos with Old AF
Roy,

LOL

They are easy to make.

You can put as many arms on a pole as you like, 1, 2, 3, etc.
Mike

From: Roy Inman
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 11:10 PM
To: S-trains
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Layout Photos with Old AF


Thanks Mike :)

I almost said telegraph poles, but changed it for some reason...

Neat technique. I will give it a go.

Roy




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67731 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: stockyard
that was great alot more up to date than one i had, printed it and made a file
with it tks vm.


________________________________
From: Herbert <hwass@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 14, 2012 9:18:34 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: stockyard

 
You can find instructions starting at page 50.

http://www.thortrains.net/flyermanual.pdf
<http://www.thortrains.net/flyermanual.pdf>

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jimbo" <jad01@...> wrote:
>
> can anyone send me copy of the manual for the 771 stockyard, won one
on ebay but no manual and the books i have dont show the hookup,
photocopy are emailed copy will be just fine tks Jim
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67732 From: sscale@bestweb.net Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: S-Scale figures
 > Didn't MTH have a bag of figures? Actually very close to S
size?
>   
The bulk pack contains unpainted multiples of
this set (attempting attachment).
Stan Stokrocki




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67733 From: sscale@bestweb.net Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Re: S-Scale figures
  >  > Didn't MTH have a bag of figures? Actually very close to
S
> size?
>>   
> The bulk pack contains
unpainted multiples of
> this set (attempting attachment).
> Stan Stokrocki
>
Sorry, this message got tangled up
between two different lists. Here's a link:

http://www.trainweb.org/crocon/mthrailkingfigures1.jpg


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67734 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/15/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67735 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: Night Pictures Re Done
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/278025899/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=821&count=20&dir=asc

I re-did the night pictures on the layout, as I figured out the night shot setting on the new camera.

The shots are not just of the ball field, as I have pictures of the street and the passenger train at the station.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67736 From: wb4hay Date: 1/14/2012
Subject: tortois wire attach cuff
Does somebody make a female adapter cuf for tortois macines so that you can attach the wires and then just slip the part on the wire board at the bottom?
Group: S-Trains Message: 67737 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Night Pictures Re Done
great detail but who is winning, congrats on the work




________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S Trains <s-trains@...>
Sent: Sat, January 14, 2012 9:19:05 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Night Pictures Re Done

 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/278025899/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=821&count=20&dir=asc


I re-did the night pictures on the layout, as I figured out the night shot
setting on the new camera.

The shots are not just of the ball field, as I have pictures of the street and
the passenger train at the station.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67738 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Night Pictures Re Done
Thank you James.

There is a picture of the scoreboard in the photo album, but here is one of them.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/47806953/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=801&count=20&dir=asc

The score is 4-3, D&K RR, the home team, top of the 7th, visitors at bat, number 7 is batting, wearing number 7 for Mickey Mantle, runners on 1st and 2nd, 2 out, a 3-2 count and the pitch, but on no, the pitch is frozen in time like a Twilight Zone episode.

What will happen???? That is for to decide.

Mike

From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:57 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Night Pictures Re Done


great detail but who is winning, congrats on the work

________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
To: S Trains <mailto:s-trains%40YahooGroups.com>
Sent: Sat, January 14, 2012 9:19:05 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Night Pictures Re Done


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/278025899/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=821&count=20&dir=asc

I re-did the night pictures on the layout, as I figured out the night shot
setting on the new camera.

The shots are not just of the ball field, as I have pictures of the street and
the passenger train at the station.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67739 From: Gregg Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: tortois wire attach cuff
Check out http://www.vernonianorthern.com/VN/

They have soldering videos on the site as well.

Gregg


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wb4hay" <wb4hay@...> wrote:
>
> Does somebody make a female adapter cuf for tortois macines so that you can attach the wires and then just slip the part on the wire board at the bottom?
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67740 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/15/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67741 From: Ben Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
I have seen two of these cars- one of which I missed out on at an auction.

I have heard that these S-Helper flatcars with two vintage looking Krispy Kreme S-Scale delivery trucks were made as a convention or club car at some point?

We would love to have one for the collection. Please contact me if you know of any for sale.

Thanks!

Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 67742 From: Dave Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: NEW Group To Find Pre-1966 AF "S" Parts & Equipment (Advertisement)
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Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872
Group: S-Trains Message: 67743 From: Dave Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Quartering Your AF Steamer Drive Wheels (Advertisement)
We are offering a "20 DAY SPECIAL". Quarter your pre-1966 AF steam engine drive wheels for only $10.00 plus $5.00 return shipping. This is a service that usually costs $25.00, a saving of $10.00. The drive wheels will be quartered to 87 degrees which is an optimal setting for these engines. ANY OTHER REPAIRS NECESSARY WILL BE PERFORMED FOR FREE JUST PAY FOR THE PARTS (we will inform you what is needed if anything). This is a once in a life time deal so don't miss out. "SEND CHASSIS WITH WHEELS ATTACHED ONLY (no side rods please). To take advantage of this offer please Email early to get in the "Q"

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This offer starts on 02-01-2012 and will last until 02-20-2012 only.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872
Group: S-Trains Message: 67744 From: acgilbertguy Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: AF Northern Crosshead Assembly
A friend of mine has an AF Northern that is missing the crosshead assembly for the left side. AF part number is XA10669LA. Anyone have one available or know were he could get one? Thanks, Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 67745 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: tortois wire attach cuff
Yes, they do. The spacing of the contacts is one of the values that used
to be very common in electronic printed circuit boards. As I recall, it
is about .156 inch. So, most any of those will do form Digikey or the
other suppliers. I also found the link below which even has the right
number of contacts:

http://www.ecrater.com/p/13193448/6-pk-edge-connector-circuitron-tortoise

Those connectors have contacts on both sides of the case of a Tortoise,
we only use the 8 contacts on just one side.

Lat us know how you do.

Bill

PS - do you normally sign your posts?

Bill Porter
South Florida


On 1/14/2012 10:51 PM, wb4hay wrote:
> Does somebody make a female adapter cuf for tortois macines so that you can attach the wires and then just slip the part on the wire board at the bottom?
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67746 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Night Pictures Re Done
Wow! That looks just like the real thing. The lighting works out just
right. I have had a lot of fun with that area and I didn't have to do
any of the work.

Thanks Mike,
Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida


On 1/14/2012 9:19 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/278025899/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=821&count=20&dir=asc
>
> I re-did the night pictures on the layout, as I figured out the night shot setting on the new camera.
>
> The shots are not just of the ball field, as I have pictures of the street and the passenger train at the station.
>
> Mike
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67747 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF Northern Crosshead Assembly
Try SSS They have one in stock for $25


_Model Train Parts Reproductions Accessories Sets Tracks Cars_
(http://www.ssstrains.com/) In a message dated 1/15/2012 2:58:17 P.M. Pacific
Standard Time, milepost407@... writes:




A friend of mine has an AF Northern that is missing the crosshead assembly
for the left side. AF part number is XA10669LA. Anyone have one available
or know were he could get one? Thanks, Rich






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Group: S-Trains Message: 67748 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
Dear Ben,
I can think of several instances where regular run cars were purchased for club or individuals for there own special runs. But, I do not remember supplying our SHS flatcars for a Krispy Kreme flatcars. My memory is not as good as it was 22 years ago when we started so if you find out whose project this might have been, please let me know...
Don Thompson
S Helper Service Inc.



On Jan 15, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Ben wrote:

> I have seen two of these cars- one of which I missed out on at an auction.
>
> I have heard that these S-Helper flatcars with two vintage looking Krispy Kreme S-Scale delivery trucks were made as a convention or club car at some point?
>
> We would love to have one for the collection. Please contact me if you know of any for sale.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ben


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67749 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Night Pictures Re Done
Hi Bill,

Thanks for the compliment.

Amazing what you can do with 64 AF Smoke Fluid funnels, as that is what is on the lights, 8 per light.

Mike

From: Bill Porter
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:59 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Night Pictures Re Done


Wow! That looks just like the real thing. The lighting works out just
right. I have had a lot of fun with that area and I didn't have to do
any of the work.

Thanks Mike,
Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida

On 1/14/2012 9:19 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/278025899/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=821&count=20&dir=asc
>
> I re-did the night pictures on the layout, as I figured out the night shot setting on the new camera.
>
> The shots are not just of the ball field, as I have pictures of the street and the passenger train at the station.
>
> Mike
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67750 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
Hi All,

Check out eBay auction #220926481801. AF roadbed for $10,00 a section - WOW!!!!!!!!!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 67751 From: rzuerlein2001 Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
Ben:

I think these were produced by one of the clubs that sponsors the S Spring Fest. It is a rotating convention put on by the clubs in Michigan and Ohio. One of these clubs may have more information for you. Actually think the flat car was an AM car.

Roger Zuerlein

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> I have seen two of these cars- one of which I missed out on at an auction.
>
> I have heard that these S-Helper flatcars with two vintage looking Krispy Kreme S-Scale delivery trucks were made as a convention or club car at some point?
>
> We would love to have one for the collection. Please contact me if you know of any for sale.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ben
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67752 From: Tom Lochhead Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
Krispy kreme flatcar was made by American Models.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 15, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:

> Dear Ben,
> I can think of several instances where regular run cars were purchased for club or individuals for there own special runs. But, I do not remember supplying our SHS flatcars for a Krispy Kreme flatcars. My memory is not as good as it was 22 years ago when we started so if you find out whose project this might have been, please let me know...
> Don Thompson
> S Helper Service Inc.
>
> On Jan 15, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Ben wrote:
>
> > I have seen two of these cars- one of which I missed out on at an auction.
> >
> > I have heard that these S-Helper flatcars with two vintage looking Krispy Kreme S-Scale delivery trucks were made as a convention or club car at some point?
> >
> > We would love to have one for the collection. Please contact me if you know of any for sale.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Ben
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67753 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
David,

More like 9.37 a section with 30 minutes to go.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/220926481801?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D220926481801%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

Mike

From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:23 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok


Hi All,

Check out eBay auction #220926481801. AF roadbed for $10,00 a section - WOW!!!!!!!!!

BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 67754 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
MTH did a flatcar with 2 Krispy Kreme panel trucks.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/15/2012 8:24:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rzuerlein@... writes:

Ben:

I think these were produced by one of the clubs that sponsors the S Spring
Fest. It is a rotating convention put on by the clubs in Michigan and
Ohio. One of these clubs may have more information for you. Actually think
the flat car was an AM car.

Roger Zuerlein

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> I have seen two of these cars- one of which I missed out on at an
auction.
>
> I have heard that these S-Helper flatcars with two vintage looking
Krispy Kreme S-Scale delivery trucks were made as a convention or club car at
some point?
>
> We would love to have one for the collection. Please contact me if you
know of any for sale.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ben
>




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at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links






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Group: S-Trains Message: 67755 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF Northern Crosshead Assembly
Hi Rich,
  I have one. Please have your friend contact me off site seccia@....
� Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:38 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Northern Crosshead Assembly


 
A friend of mine has an AF Northern that is missing the crosshead assembly for the left side. AF part number is XA10669LA. Anyone have one available or know were he could get one? Thanks, Rich




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67756 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: More eBay AF Roadbed - Unreal Bids
Hi All,

If you thought the first roadbed auction was outragous at $10.00 a section, check this one at $13.64 a section.

eBay item 260931927823

The same two bideders are fighting each other for both of these auctions unless there is some shilling going on.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 67757 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
Hi Don and Ben. I have the Krispy Krème Flatcar produced by American Models
in 2001. The Hi-Rail B & O Flatcar with the vans was made the S Spree Car
for The Central Ohio S Gaugers’. This truly a collectors piece.



Bob in Tennessee

Aftrains4.u



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Don Thompson
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:25 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut
truck load





Dear Ben,
I can think of several instances where regular run cars were purchased for
club or individuals for there own special runs. But, I do not remember
supplying our SHS flatcars for a Krispy Kreme flatcars. My memory is not as
good as it was 22 years ago when we started so if you find out whose project
this might have been, please let me know...
Don Thompson
S Helper Service Inc.

On Jan 15, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Ben wrote:

> I have seen two of these cars- one of which I missed out on at an auction.
>
> I have heard that these S-Helper flatcars with two vintage looking Krispy
Kreme S-Scale delivery trucks were made as a convention or club car at some
point?
>
> We would love to have one for the collection. Please contact me if you
know of any for sale.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ben

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67758 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: More eBay AF Roadbed - Unreal Bids
I've noticed that a lot of people seem to suffer a drop in intellect when it comes time to hit that bid button. If you miss one auction it will come around again in the future. That's why I don't get caught up in bidding wars.
 
Bob


________________________________
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:38 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] More eBay AF Roadbed - Unreal Bids


 
Hi All,

If you thought the first roadbed auction was outragous at $10.00 a section, check this one at $13.64 a section.

eBay item 260931927823

The same two bideders are fighting each other for both of these auctions unless there is some shilling going on.

BG1




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67759 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Re: More eBay AF Roadbed - Unreal Bids
Prices on eBay vary.

I got some great cars for about half of Greenberg in December, but then a knuckle five digit Mobil tanker went for 107 today, in nice shape, but it is about 50 in E in the new TM book. I have one, but I needed another one for a set I am working on. Another one will come along in time.

I thought Rick Johnson was still selling roadbed.

People have their reasons for bidding, but weird.

And yes, I have been told another will came in time.

Funny I was trying to get a group of Boy Scout patches from a Summer Camp I went to in the 60s. I kept coming in 2nd, as the bids got to 75, which was silly.

I finally got a mint set of these 7 segments, for 15 a week later.

Mike

From: robert hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:52 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] More eBay AF Roadbed - Unreal Bids


I've noticed that a lot of people seem to suffer a drop in intellect when it comes time to hit that bid button. If you miss one auction it will come around again in the future. That's why I don't get caught up in bidding wars.

Bob

________________________________
From: bull_gator_1 <mailto:bull_gator_1%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:38 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] More eBay AF Roadbed - Unreal Bids


Hi All,

If you thought the first roadbed auction was outragous at $10.00 a section, check this one at $13.64 a section.

eBay item 260931927823

The same two bideders are fighting each other for both of these auctions unless there is some shilling going on.

BG1

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67760 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/15/2012
Subject: Krispy Kreme Car
Hi All,

I grew up just down the street from a Krispy Kreme in Pensacola, Florida. We had them as special treats from time to time.

The latest one to sell on eBay went for $130. Look at this item: 260789387594

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 67761 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
What is wrong with these people? Is this a joke? When I bid on roadbed, I stop at $3 per straight/$2 per curve, if in excellent condition. Usually, when track is included with the roadbed, the rails or ties are corroded to some degree or another, so I don't count it being included. Besides, track is a dime a dozen (or should be), as it was produced prolifically throughout the S gauge run.

Anyone that gets caught up in a bidding war needs to stay out of Las Vegas. That type of bidding is no less a sickness than an habitual gambler, in my opinion.

Bruce



From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:29 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok



David,

More like 9.37 a section with 30 minutes to go.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/220926481801?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D220926481801%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

Mike

From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:23 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok

Hi All,

Check out eBay auction #220926481801. AF roadbed for $10,00 a section - WOW!!!!!!!!!

BG1

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67762 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: af 4-10-10-2 up engine
hi group:
would anyone know the builder of this engine, it is on ebay,
#300648802622, who ever built
it, knew what they were doing, and would like to discuss this
individuals techniques with him
many thanks
mel perry
Group: S-Trains Message: 67763 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
I do have one of the Krispy Kreme trucks, but not the flat car.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 1/16/2012 02:19, rzuerlein2001 wrote:
>
> Ben:
>
> I think these were produced by one of the clubs that sponsors the S
> Spring Fest. It is a rotating convention put on by the clubs in
> Michigan and Ohio. One of these clubs may have more information for
> you. Actually think the flat car was an AM car.
>
> Roger Zuerlein
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
> >
> > I have seen two of these cars- one of which I missed out on at an
> auction.
> >
> > I have heard that these S-Helper flatcars with two vintage looking
> Krispy Kreme S-Scale delivery trucks were made as a convention or club
> car at some point?
> >
> > We would love to have one for the collection. Please contact me if
> you know of any for sale.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Ben
> >
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67764 From: Ben Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
Thank you all for the information. Looks like I can get an AM flatcar in B & O livery still on their website, and the KK delivery trucks can be found on the internet as well. I might just make my own up now that I know what I am looking for.

Thanks! Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Don and Ben. I have the Krispy Krème Flatcar produced by American Models
> in 2001. The Hi-Rail B & O Flatcar with the vans was made the S Spree Car
> for The Central Ohio S Gaugers'. This truly a collectors piece.
>
>
>
> Bob in Tennessee
>
> Aftrains4.u
>
>
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Don Thompson
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:25 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut
> truck load
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Ben,
> I can think of several instances where regular run cars were purchased for
> club or individuals for there own special runs. But, I do not remember
> supplying our SHS flatcars for a Krispy Kreme flatcars. My memory is not as
> good as it was 22 years ago when we started so if you find out whose project
> this might have been, please let me know...
> Don Thompson
> S Helper Service Inc.
>
> On Jan 15, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Ben wrote:
>
> > I have seen two of these cars- one of which I missed out on at an auction.
> >
> > I have heard that these S-Helper flatcars with two vintage looking Krispy
> Kreme S-Scale delivery trucks were made as a convention or club car at some
> point?
> >
> > We would love to have one for the collection. Please contact me if you
> know of any for sale.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Ben
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67765 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF roadbed - eBay runs amok
I have seen this for years, not just in toy trains, but toys of all kinds, and real automobiles. Some of it is "auction fever," but some of it is to possess something others can't have. And then there are those who have deluded themselves with a warped sense of value, which is aided and abetted by those in the "collectables business."
If you want an example of overspending, watch the Barrett-Jackson auto auctions on Speed Channel. Having been around cars as long as trains, I can tell you that some of those cars are bringing many times their real value! People with money will buy anything just to have it, know little or nothing about it, and don't care! They are being told these cars are worth more than they are by the car collector "business."
For instance, there is an e-mail going around about a certain GM "Oldsmobile" concept car from the Motorama of the fifties bringing millions of dollars. According to a friend and retired GM engineer, the real car was one of many non-running Motorama displays, and was cut up years ago. What was bought was a replica made by a California auto builder who specializes in these things. Yet, the new owner does not care, and is passing the car off as authentic himself!
I'm sure I will get flamed for saying this, but all this crap is an example of the "Collectorism" mentality that we've all seen for many years. If you want to know an item's true worth, try selling it outside of the collector-enthusiast community and prepare for a real shock!
Stumpy in Ahia...fire retardant suit scorched but still working.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67766 From: wb4hay Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: #67736 apology
Bill, and all, please accept my apology for not signing #67736, I always do and thought I did.

Kelly Johnson
Group: S-Trains Message: 67767 From: americanflyer1953 Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
I've noticed it too. Waaaaaayyyyy too high lately. I don't know why but if was like stock and you had extra's now would be the time to sell.
Ray

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> wrote:
>
>
> What is wrong with these people? Is this a joke? When I bid on roadbed, I stop at $3 per straight/$2 per curve, if in excellent condition. Usually, when track is included with the roadbed, the rails or ties are corroded to some degree or another, so I don't count it being included. Besides, track is a dime a dozen (or should be), as it was produced prolifically throughout the S gauge run.
>
> Anyone that gets caught up in a bidding war needs to stay out of Las Vegas. That type of bidding is no less a sickness than an habitual gambler, in my opinion.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: Michael & Linda Marmer
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:29 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
>
>
>
> David,
>
> More like 9.37 a section with 30 minutes to go.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/220926481801?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D220926481801%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1
>
> Mike
>
> From: bull_gator_1
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:23 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
>
> Hi All,
>
> Check out eBay auction #220926481801. AF roadbed for $10,00 a section - WOW!!!!!!!!!
>
> BG1
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67768 From: Frank Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
ACG would have loved to get 1/2 of what people are paying for his 50-60 year old AF. Maybe it is because it is rare being it was made in the USA ? Must admit it is to costly for me.
Frank

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2012, at 4:21 AM, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> wrote:

>
> What is wrong with these people? Is this a joke? When I bid on roadbed, I stop at $3 per straight/$2 per curve, if in excellent condition. Usually, when track is included with the roadbed, the rails or ties are corroded to some degree or another, so I don't count it being included. Besides, track is a dime a dozen (or should be), as it was produced prolifically throughout the S gauge run.
>
> Anyone that gets caught up in a bidding war needs to stay out of Las Vegas. That type of bidding is no less a sickness than an habitual gambler, in my opinion.
>
> Bruce
>
> From: Michael & Linda Marmer
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:29 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
>
> David,
>
> More like 9.37 a section with 30 minutes to go.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/220926481801?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D220926481801%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1
>
> Mike
>
> From: bull_gator_1
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:23 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
>
> Hi All,
>
> Check out eBay auction #220926481801. AF roadbed for $10,00 a section - WOW!!!!!!!!!
>
> BG1
>
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67769 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
http://www.roadbed.net/

All the road bed one could want.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67770 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF roadbed - eBay runs amok
E-bay is the vast wasteland for stupid bidding. I had a friend who
purchased BMW Roundel stickers from the dealer for $1.00 and sold them
on E-bay to fools for $10.00.

If I could get $10 a section for all my AF track I could afford that new
house.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 1/16/2012 9:15 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
>
> If you want to know an item's true worth, try selling it outside of
> the collector-enthusiast community and prepare for a real shock!
> Stumpy in Ahia...fire retardant suit scorched but still working.
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67771 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
There is the competitive factor, yes. But there can also be the isolation
factor. Wherein you or I may have local train buddies who are always
buying/selling/trading and we may also have access to train shows within
striking distance, some eBay users have none of those advantages. They also
may be people who just recently found an old Gilbert set in an attic or
basement somewhere and have no clue where to look for pieces except eBay. I
live in a metropolitan area of more than 2,000,000 and there is one train
shop that carries a tiny amount of S. In the really small towns, especially
in the western part of America, most shops have probably only ³heard tell²
of S equipment. California being the exception.

So I might suggest that what is ³wrong² with them is their lack of knowledge
and/or access. Or perhaps so much money that it isn¹t a factor as it is for
some of u

Just IMHO :)

Roy



From: "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 01:21:27 -0800
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok







What is wrong with these people? Is this a joke? When I bid on roadbed, I
stop at $3 per straight/$2 per curve, if in excellent condition. Usually,
when track is included with the roadbed, the rails or ties are corroded to
some degree or another, so I don't count it being included. Besides, track
is a dime a dozen (or should be), as it was produced prolifically throughout
the S gauge run.

Anyone that gets caught up in a bidding war needs to stay out of Las Vegas.
That type of bidding is no less a sickness than an habitual gambler, in my
opinion.

Bruce

From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:29 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok

David,

More like 9.37 a section with 30 minutes to go.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/220926481801?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch
%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D220926481801%2
6_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

Mike

From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:23 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok

Hi All,

Check out eBay auction #220926481801. AF roadbed for $10,00 a section -
WOW!!!!!!!!!

BG1

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67772 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF roadbed - eBay runs amok
With all due respect, there is no such thing as over spending on an auction.
In item is worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay and whatever a seller is
willing to take. Simple.

What we may consider the ³true worth² of roadbed, etc., is irrelevant.

IMHO :)

Roy Inman



From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:15:22 +0000
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: AF roadbed - eBay runs amok






I have seen this for years, not just in toy trains, but toys of all kinds,
and real automobiles. Some of it is "auction fever," but some of it is to
possess something others can't have. And then there are those who have
deluded themselves with a warped sense of value, which is aided and abetted
by those in the "collectables business."
If you want an example of overspending, watch the Barrett-Jackson auto
auctions on Speed Channel. Having been around cars as long as trains, I can
tell you that some of those cars are bringing many times their real value!
People with money will buy anything just to have it, know little or nothing
about it, and don't care! They are being told these cars are worth more
than they are by the car collector "business."
For instance, there is an e-mail going around about a certain GM
"Oldsmobile" concept car from the Motorama of the fifties bringing millions
of dollars. According to a friend and retired GM engineer, the real car was
one of many non-running Motorama displays, and was cut up years ago. What
was bought was a replica made by a California auto builder who specializes
in these things. Yet, the new owner does not care, and is passing the car
off as authentic himself!
I'm sure I will get flamed for saying this, but all this crap is an example
of the "Collectorism" mentality that we've all seen for many years. If you
want to know an item's true worth, try selling it outside of the
collector-enthusiast community and prepare for a real shock!
Stumpy in Ahia...fire retardant suit scorched but still working.








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Group: S-Trains Message: 67773 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
and he notes -

Don't look now but they're doin' it again!

Looks like the same bidders:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/american-flyer-727-and-726-track-lot-rubber-roadbed-ready-go-/260931927823?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3cc0c13f0f

And this one might be fun to watch - 2 days to go:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/S-SCALE-RUBBER-ROADBED-SOME-TRACK-/290658511479?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item43ac98ea77

Raleigh in Down-East where it's downright COLD!



At 10:12 AM 1/16/2012, Frank wrote:
>
>
>ACG would have loved to get 1/2 of what people are paying for his
>50-60 year old AF. Maybe it is because it is rare being it was made
>in the USA ? Must admit it is to costly for me.
>Frank
>
>
>On Jan 16, 2012, at 4:21 AM, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr."
><<mailto:goatfarm%40comcast.net>goatfarm@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > What is wrong with these people? Is this a joke? When I bid on
> roadbed, I stop at $3 per straight/$2 per curve, if in excellent
> condition. Usually, when track is included with the roadbed, the
> rails or ties are corroded to some degree or another, so I don't
> count it being included. Besides, track is a dime a dozen (or
> should be), as it was produced prolifically throughout the S gauge run.
> >
> > Anyone that gets caught up in a bidding war needs to stay out of
> Las Vegas. That type of bidding is no less a sickness than an
> habitual gambler, in my opinion.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > From: Michael & Linda Marmer
> > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:29 PM
> > To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
> >
> > David,
> >
> > More like 9.37 a section with 30 minutes to go.
> >
> >
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/220926481801?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D220926481801%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1>http://www.ebay.com/itm/220926481801?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D220926481801%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67774 From: Dale Reynolds Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Check out eBay auction #220926481801. AF roadbed for $10,00 a section - WOW!!!!!!!!!
>
> BG1
>
my local club, Central Railway Museum, regularly sells roadbed for around one dollar i think, can check inventory when i work there thursday if anyone wants. the biggest 'dog' are electric switches which we can't hardly give away........ and plasticville.... dale
Group: S-Trains Message: 67775 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Ebay Roadbed
Hi All,

I forgot to mention that while these two bidders were going sky high competing on two roadbed auctions, there were several other roadbed auctions during the same period that were going for around $2 a section. That, and the fact they appear to be at it again, makes me think there is either some shilling going on or these two guys just hate to loose to each other.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 67776 From: George Cohn Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF roadbed - eBay runs amok
On 1/16/2012 7:15 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
> And then there are those
> who have deluded themselves with a warped sense of value, which is aided
> and abetted by those in the "collectables business."

I'm the list admin for a Jaguar e-type (xk-e) list. We have this
discussion often.

Someone will spot an old e-type, slowly returning to the finest English
iron oxide in a field somewhere and inquire as to its cost.

"That's a Jaguar son and worth every penny of $50,000."

Well, maybe if you throw another $100,000 into restoring it, it will be.

Folks get deluded into thinking that "not made any more" means it is
incredibly valuable.

Altogether too often, the aforementioned car just sits for another
decade until they have to load it into the dump truck with a shovel and
haul it off to the scrap dealer.

Beside AF trains, I like old cars. Fortunately I exercise common sense
in both hobbies and only spend what I know it is worth.

George Cohn
'70 Jaguar e-type convertible
'73 Datsun 240Z
'74 Datsun 260Z
Group: S-Trains Message: 67777 From: George Cohn Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: More eBay AF Roadbed - Unreal Bids
On 1/15/2012 7:04 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> I thought Rick Johnson was still selling roadbed.

Apparently so: http://www.roadbed.net/

And at $3.25 a piece by the case of 25, it's a bargain compared to some
of the dried out stuff you get on eBay.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 67778 From: ALan Evans Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Krispy Kreme S Gauge History
The Krispy Kreme car was a 2001 S Spree project by the Central Ohio S Gauge club. The KK trucks were purchased locally, the flatcars with B & O, Pennsy and N & W were American Models and offered hi rail or scale. (AM ran out of the initial B&O flats so other roadnames were needed!)

One of our club members molded the chocks for the load and an assembly crew drilled the holes in the flat for the 2-56 screws to attach the trucks.

This car project was very successful -- but no longer available.



Perhaps you can find one on e-bay as someone has done.



- Alan Evans

o Central Ohio S Gaugers







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Group: S-Trains Message: 67779 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme S Gauge History
Ah yes, I have one and it is a delight. I include it in my train of SHS
Christmas cars. Fits right in.

Now for the picky part. Why has no one mentioned the coupon for a dozen
donuts that came with the purchase? It was a key factor for me. KK had
just announced the opening of some stores in this area and I just had to
jump (well, maybe not quite jump) on the bandwagon. I had the car and
lots of miles on it before I could use that coupon. Then, it was a
Krispy Kreme Treat to munch and watch the train go past.

Memories!

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida


On 1/16/2012 2:14 PM, ALan Evans wrote:
> The Krispy Kreme car was a 2001 S Spree project by the Central Ohio S Gauge club. The KK trucks were purchased locally, the flatcars with B& O, Pennsy and N& W were American Models and offered hi rail or scale. (AM ran out of the initial B&O flats so other roadnames were needed!)
>
> One of our club members molded the chocks for the load and an assembly crew drilled the holes in the flat for the 2-56 screws to attach the trucks.
>
> This car project was very successful -- but no longer available.
>
>
>
> Perhaps you can find one on e-bay as someone has done.
>
>
>
> - Alan Evans
>
> o Central Ohio S Gaugers
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67780 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme S Gauge History
And now for Chattanooga (NASG convention) we need a Moon Pie truck for a
flat car load or just a vehicle. In truth, I actually have a 1/64 Lledo
truck that Moon Pie actually offered several years back on their website.
I don't currently see it offered on their current website however. Hmmm.
Jeff Madden

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Ah yes, I have one and it is a delight. I include it in my train of SHS
> Christmas cars. Fits right in.
>
> Now for the picky part. Why has no one mentioned the coupon for a dozen
> donuts that came with the purchase? It was a key factor for me. KK had
> just announced the opening of some stores in this area and I just had to
> jump (well, maybe not quite jump) on the bandwagon. I had the car and
> lots of miles on it before I could use that coupon. Then, it was a
> Krispy Kreme Treat to munch and watch the train go past.
>
> Memories!
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
>
> On 1/16/2012 2:14 PM, ALan Evans wrote:
> > The Krispy Kreme car was a 2001 S Spree project by the Central Ohio S
> Gauge club. The KK trucks were purchased locally, the flatcars with B& O,
> Pennsy and N& W were American Models and offered hi rail or scale. (AM ran
> out of the initial B&O flats so other roadnames were needed!)
> >
> > One of our club members molded the chocks for the load and an assembly
> crew drilled the holes in the flat for the 2-56 screws to attach the trucks.
> >
> > This car project was very successful -- but no longer available.
> >
> >
> >
> > Perhaps you can find one on e-bay as someone has done.
> >
> >
> >
> > - Alan Evans
> >
> > o Central Ohio S Gaugers
> >
> >
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67781 From: Joseph H Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
Wow!!!! It is time to unload all of my used rubber roadbed. My brand new reproduction rubber roadbed is only $3 a section (straight or curved) and $3.75 a section for wide radius curved.

Joe's Train Repair

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> More like 9.37 a section with 30 minutes to go.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/220926481801?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D220926481801%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1
>
> Mike
>
> From: bull_gator_1
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:23 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Check out eBay auction #220926481801. AF roadbed for $10,00 a section - WOW!!!!!!!!!
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67782 From: mike boyd Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
Let's see if this lot comes back on. Won't be the first time a buyer (mysteriously) backs out on his purchase. I've seen things I thought that were rediculously overbid, then did a little research and learned something. Can't do it here though.???? Gettin a little shilly maybe??


--- On Mon, 1/16/12, Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...> wrote:


From: Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 1:10 PM


Wow!!!! It is time to unload all of my used rubber roadbed. My brand new reproduction rubber roadbed is only $3 a section (straight or curved) and $3.75 a section for wide radius curved.

Joe's Train Repair

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> More like 9.37 a section with 30 minutes to go.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/220926481801?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D220926481801%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1
>
> Mike
>
> From: bull_gator_1
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:23 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
>
>   
> Hi All,
>
> Check out eBay auction #220926481801. AF roadbed for $10,00 a section - WOW!!!!!!!!!
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>
>
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>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67783 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/16/2012
Subject: New Circus car photos
First of all, I also placed a photo of a new Christmas car in Waynes Christmas cars album. It is a flat car that carries a fruit cake. I had to buy a package of 10 1# fruit cakes to get the one in the box, but my wife gave fruit cakes to her co-workers. The box was then refilled with styro foam and the ends re-glued. The fruit cake you see in the window is actually a photo of a fruit cake. The box is secured to the flat car.

There are 8 new photos of circus cars in Waynes Circus cars album. They don't need much introduction, but I will tell you a little about some of them. The boom/pole car is simply a redecorated Flyonel MOW boom car with the tent pole load made from wood dowels. The derrick car is simply a redecorated Flyonel derrick car. The flat car carrying the race cars is a take-off on the World's greatest "daredevil" show and an excuse to finally use a couple of the way too many souped-up hot wheels cars at dime stores. The snow cone cars run as a set with one carrying the ice and the other the syrup. They have similar paint schemes and on one the arrow pointing to the South Pole points one way and the other car the opposite direction. I had to use South Pole since these were not Christmas cars. You might also notice the play on the name World's Greatest Snow. That was Nick Colleran's idea. I recently received the Flyonel Circus stock car with red trucks and liked that, so most cars sport red trucks. One exception is the red popcorn box car which has blue trucks.

When I received my Lionel Circus set, on which the engine no longer runs, I was disappointed that Lionel cancelled the floodlight car. That was the main reason I wanted a circus train. Not to fret, I made my own using an old Flyonel UP floodlight car redecorated. Later, I will make a clear decal to fit over the floodlight that says "Worlds Greatest Show". The letters will be custom made to fit the round light lense.

The last car I am working on is a gondola to carry the canvas. I will post a photo of that when it is done.

But for now, my next project will be to build my SMMW GE44 ton and decorate it Virginian. By the way, for any of you who have the kit, Bill Mosteler at Great Decals made S scale Virginian decals to fit that engine.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 67784 From: Linda Cernjul Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme S Gauge History
alan i have two krispy kream cars that i will sell brand new never on the layout wayne



________________________________
From: ALan Evans <alan@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 2:14 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Krispy Kreme S Gauge History


 
The Krispy Kreme car was a 2001 S Spree project by the Central Ohio S Gauge club. The KK trucks were purchased locally, the flatcars with B & O, Pennsy and N & W were American Models and offered hi rail or scale. (AM ran out of the initial B&O flats so other roadnames were needed!)

One of our club members molded the chocks for the load and an assembly crew drilled the holes in the flat for the 2-56 screws to attach the trucks.

This car project was very successful -- but no longer available.

Perhaps you can find one on e-bay as someone has done.

- Alan Evans

o Central Ohio S Gaugers

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67785 From: Louis Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
COSG has a DI of the car posted on their web site.
http://cosg.org/club_cars.html


Lou Baldi


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> I have seen two of these cars- one of which I missed out on at an
auction.
>
> I have heard that these S-Helper flatcars with two vintage looking
Krispy Kreme S-Scale delivery trucks were made as a convention or club
car at some point?
>
> We would love to have one for the collection. Please contact me if you
know of any for sale.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ben
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67786 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme S Gauge History
Hi Wayne,

What are you asking for the KK car?

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Linda Cernjul <waynestrains@...> wrote:
>
> alan i have two krispy kream cars that i will sell brand new never on the layout wayne
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: ALan Evans <alan@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 2:14 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Krispy Kreme S Gauge History
>
>
>  
> The Krispy Kreme car was a 2001 S Spree project by the Central Ohio S Gauge club. The KK trucks were purchased locally, the flatcars with B & O, Pennsy and N & W were American Models and offered hi rail or scale. (AM ran out of the initial B&O flats so other roadnames were needed!)
>
> One of our club members molded the chocks for the load and an assembly crew drilled the holes in the flat for the 2-56 screws to attach the trucks.
>
> This car project was very successful -- but no longer available.
>
> Perhaps you can find one on e-bay as someone has done.
>
> - Alan Evans
>
> o Central Ohio S Gaugers
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67787 From: piccu56 Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: Re: AF Roadbed - eBay Runs Amok
This is nothing less that two dedicated buyers who are willing to pay what it takes to get nice Flyer. Wish many more were like them, and in Plasticville too.





--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Check out eBay auction #220926481801. AF roadbed for $10,00 a section - WOW!!!!!!!!!
>
> BG1
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67788 From: lumglum Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: Track Switch Controller
Hi,
Can someone tell me the type of controller I have (a number or year )...It's the one without light bulbs. It have 2 green dots at the bottom and 2 red dots at the top. Also what type of switches they go to.?
Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 67789 From: jim_marski Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: Updated list of American Flyer Trains for Sale
American Flyer Trains for Sale- If interested, contact me offlist at marski@...

981 CofG box car-rare dull finish- Good+ cond- some paint loss, missing one sticker- repro available- $199
973 Milk car- EX- cond- paint chip on center of roofwalk- no cans etc- $135
375 T&P diesel- body VG - not running, but E unit cylces- missing rear handrail- $119
6-48560 LTI BN flat with Jet engine load- $50
944 crane- VG cond- needs restring- $39
945 boom car- die cast base- VG cond- no fences- $23
307 loco- VG- cond- missing one step- nor running, but e-unit cycles- $25
623 IC reefer- VG cond- minor paint loss- $19
24603 caboose- VG cond- $10
638 caboose- painted version- VG except repaired side- $7
956 Monon flatcar- no trailers- EX cond except cracked brakewheel holder- no brakewheel- $25
911 C&O gon- no load- EX- cond- $12- no brakewheel
24557 US Navy flat- no Jeeps- Good+ cond- small touchup on one side- $29
805 PRR gon- end broken- for parts- $3
956 Monon flatcar- no trailers- EX cond, but rust on trailer holders- $29
969 Rocket launcher- no rocket- VG cond- $25
24003 ATSF boxcar- EX- cond- $29
912 Koppers tank car- no platform/ladders- VG cond- $49
25515 USAF rocket sled flat car- no sled- EX cond- light corrosion on bracket- $59
913 GN box car- Pad print version- EX- cond- light corrosion on door guides and bottom- both nobs OK- $29
906 crane- needs restring and hook- Good+ cond- paint chips and tiny corrosion- $22
638 caboose- Ex painted body- one truck damaged- $6
938 caboose- VG+ except one roofwalk end broken in place- $5
24603 caboos- VG-ond- $10
915 unloading car- grey- no load- good cond- light corrosion- $15
945 boom car- plastic base- good cond- one step broken, one truck damaged- no frnces- $10
641 Frisco gondola- EX- cond- Knuckle couplers- $10
641 Frisco gondola- VG+ cond- no couplers- $8
921 CB&Q hopper- EX- condition- one broken step- $14
625G Gulf tank- Good+ cond- bent handrail- one knuckle coupler, one missing- needs cleaning- $14
977 Action caboose- Good cond- one broken roofwalk and damaged truck- $12
925 Gulf tank- VG- cond- $15
802 IC reefer- EX cond- $10
913 GN Boxcar- pad print vewrsion- good cond- paint loass on one door and section of roof- $15
938 caboose- Good cond- light corrosion on base and tiny bit of lettering loss on one side- $8
922 GAEX box car- body EX but decal starting to flake- $18
Marx Erie girder bridge- $10
Greenburg AF Book Vol 1 Motive power and rolling stock- LN- $139
Greenburg AF Book Vol 2 Accessories etc- LN- $139
Greenburg AF Catalogs 1946-1955- LN- $249
23830 TOFC unloading set- New in box- box good condition- $99
918 AFL operating mail car- good cond but corner chip- $29
643 Wood circus flat- no cages/wood- moderate chipping- $45
643 Wood circus flat- no cages/wood- significant chipping- $35
661 Aluminum coach- Ex- cond- no rust nice polish- $89
21927 Santa Fe PA diesel- EX- condition- 2 small paint chips- runs good- $159
360/361 Chrome PA diesels- G to VG cond- chrome loss- missing horn- runs- $149
360/364 Santa Fe PA diesels- Good cond- runs- $129
23743 Track Maintenance car- Excellent cond- runs- $109 SOLD
741 Handcar and shed- handcar EX minus, not running, shed VG- paint flakes at front corners where slight bend occurred- $99
48915 LTI Missouri Pacific Eagle View dome car- New in box- $49
49601 LTI Missouri Pacific Passenger set- Ex- VERY light use- $359
958 Mobilgas tank- Good cond- cast frame- $39
766/735 Guilford station, animated coach and switch in OB- Station VG with a scratch on back of sign, car EX, box VG no 766 label- $149
Gilbert figure set figure- New old stock- $20
Gilbert figure set man and wheelbarrow- New old stock- $30
Gilbert figure set wheel barrow- new old stock- $15
Gilbert figure set blue suit coat man waving hat- new old stock- $15
Gilbert figure set blue coat woman waving- new old stock- $15
Gilbert figure set fire hydrant- new old stock- $10
Gilbert figure set red seated lady- new old stock- $15
Gilbert new old stock Semaphore Sam man- $15
Gilbert workman for 596 baggage cart- tan overalls- new old stock- $25
Gilbert workman for 596 baggage cart- brown overalls- new old stock- $25
Gilbert figure set brown standing man- new old stock- $15
Gilbert figure set brown seated man- new old stock- $15

All prices plus shipping. Will send photos of any item you'd like.
Contact me offlist at marski@...

Thanks,
Jim
Group: S-Trains Message: 67790 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: CP
I have finished reading the first part of Tom Murray’s book Rail Across Canada on the CP.

The most important thing I learned that the CP restored the Beaver and Shield logo in 1998. And French for Canadian is Canadien, as I learned that while reading the beginning of the CN part, since it was government owned.

Just kidding about the CP part, as I have not gone much into the CN part.

I did learn a lot on the CP part. Interesting about the hotels they own and the other companies they did own at one time like Syracuse China which is big in the restaurant trade, ship lines and no ship turned over on its side.

And yes, all trackage is of the 2 rail type.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67791 From: Jens Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: FS OO (1/75) Scale Figures useable for S Scale everything has to go
FS OO (1/75) Scale Figures useable for S Scale everything has to go

Gentleman,

these Figures (1/75) are little, little, little smaller than S (1/64) Figures

everything has to go

1. 4 x 100pcs 00 Figures with standing and sitting (10 Styles so if u buy hundred you get 10 Styles x 10 Sets in different Colors) each Set $7

2. 2 x 100pcs 00 Figures with 10 mixed Styles, that does mean u get them mixed) each Set $5

3. 15 x 100pcs 00 Figures only sitting (top for Passenger Cars, these Figures are only the same Man in different Colors) each Set $5


If u take everything $75 + shipping

Thanks
Jens Kinne
Group: S-Trains Message: 67792 From: alsflyer Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: Wanted: AF 21004 tender shell
I recently acquired a very dirty used AF #21004 engine. The tender shell is incorrect. I need the slope-back tender shell with light. If anyone knows where I can purchase a used tender shell for this engine, please email me offline.

Thanks, Al in Layton, Utah.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67793 From: dphobbies Date: 1/17/2012
Subject: U33 Scale Wheels and Other Lies
As most who have received their U33s, or read here, there are no scale wheels in the box as Lionel advertised in their catalog. Several folks have now called Lionel as mentioned on page 24 of the manual. Their instruction have been to call back on February 1st. Even if you are not going to run your loco for awhile, don't forget to procure them. I doubt Lionel ran enough wheels for every U33 they had made and when Lionel parts are gone, they can be gone for a long time.

Next, S Scale America SD45s. It's looking better. We will be at the Amherst show in West Springfield, MA next week and will have samples of its current progress. I'll bring extra parts so folks can see how the different detail variations are done.

Also, the toy box will have samples of the X29 in a couple different variations. If the moon and the stars are in perfect alignment, there might be a CGW version in there with a CRECO door as well. If it doesn't disappear, it will be sent to Ken Zieska for inspection. Samples of the Fowler boxcar will be shown as well. Jim Kindraka saw the Fowler progress here over the weekend and I think he especially liked the Z bracing.

We will probably also bring a boatload of U-boats as well as the usual S Scale America fare and some of our HO, N and O Scale junk as well.

More lies.... Some of you have had some detail parts on backorder for some time. We have been rerunning parts and hope to be caught up in a month or two.

Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America
1524 Lee Street
Des Plaines, IL 60018
1-847-297-2118
Group: S-Trains Message: 67794 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
Ok, I read about the road bed selling for $300. Pretty high.
Now my story. My favorite coffee mug broke. So I went to E-Bay, after
looking at trains(RELATED) I found about 6 mugs like mine, most were $15-$20 +
$10 shipping. I saw one for $10 Free shipping...A steal...Buy it now.... Or
best offer... What the heck being kinda cheap, I offered $8.... & was
surprised to get it. I got the item today shipped Priority Mail ($10.25) I'm
pleased but confused...Mike in OR

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67795 From: fnmichong Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Challenger Problem
I have a Lionel/AF 4-6-6-4 that stops chuffing when going around a curve (Gilbert track). Chuffing resumes on the straight. I suspect the chuff sensor has a problem. Anybody know where that is located? Other data: tender is ok (swapped tenders), IR coupler is ok (whistle works even when chuffing stops), chuffing is ok backing up.

Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 67796 From: R G Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: U33 Scale Wheels and Other Lies
Looking forward to your SD45!  I like the cars that you have made and love the container well cars,  gotta get some more of them!



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From: dphobbies <dphobbies@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:10 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] U33 Scale Wheels and Other Lies


 
As most who have received their U33s, or read here, there are no scale wheels in the box as Lionel advertised in their catalog. Several folks have now called Lionel as mentioned on page 24 of the manual. Their instruction have been to call back on February 1st. Even if you are not going to run your loco for awhile, don't forget to procure them. I doubt Lionel ran enough wheels for every U33 they had made and when Lionel parts are gone, they can be gone for a long time.

Next, S Scale America SD45s. It's looking better. We will be at the Amherst show in West Springfield, MA next week and will have samples of its current progress. I'll bring extra parts so folks can see how the different detail variations are done.

Also, the toy box will have samples of the X29 in a couple different variations. If the moon and the stars are in perfect alignment, there might be a CGW version in there with a CRECO door as well. If it doesn't disappear, it will be sent to Ken Zieska for inspection. Samples of the Fowler boxcar will be shown as well. Jim Kindraka saw the Fowler progress here over the weekend and I think he especially liked the Z bracing.

We will probably also bring a boatload of U-boats as well as the usual S Scale America fare and some of our HO, N and O Scale junk as well.

More lies.... Some of you have had some detail parts on backorder for some time. We have been rerunning parts and hope to be caught up in a month or two.

Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America
1524 Lee Street
Des Plaines, IL 60018
1-847-297-2118




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67797 From: R G Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Had the same exact problem with one of  my Challengers. I took it to my authorized Lionel repair shop but got it back without the problem being solved.  I have two challengers the one with the problem had no slack in the wires leading to the IR sensor.  I opened up the locomotive which was easy and traced the IR sensor wires into a bundle of wires. I gently pulled out of the bundle the wires leading to the IR sensor to give it a lot more slack. Put it back together and the sound has worked fine.  Now it is going back to the repair shop because the front motor stopped running last night.  Less than seven hours of run time on the locomotive. Since it is under warrenty Lionel is going to have to pay for the costs to fixed it. 



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From: fnmichong <fnmichong@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:46 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Challenger Problem


 
I have a Lionel/AF 4-6-6-4 that stops chuffing when going around a curve (Gilbert track). Chuffing resumes on the straight. I suspect the chuff sensor has a problem. Anybody know where that is located? Other data: tender is ok (swapped tenders), IR coupler is ok (whistle works even when chuffing stops), chuffing is ok backing up.

Thanks




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67798 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
I have been running into the same problem. Apparently, there is a Priority Mail "fixed price" box that costs $10.95. It's easy for these lazy people just to order up a few of these boxes, pack them up, not weigh anything, or even take it to the post office. Also, it seems when you rate sellers for excessive postage, it doesn't seem to matter. I also like the guys who charge $15.00 shipping and only spend $7.00. The rest is for "handling". GRRRR!
____________________________________________________________
53 Year Old Mom Looks 33
The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4f16b9d2c730133ac42st06duc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67799 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Track Switch Controller
The controllers without lights go with the 5 digit switches 26760. These switches are almost exactly as the 720A.
1958  to 1964.
� Tom Seccia



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From: lumglum <gpmlg@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:06 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Track Switch Controller


 
Hi,
Can someone tell me the type of controller I have (a number or year )...It's the one without light bulbs. It have 2 green dots at the bottom and 2 red dots at the top. Also what type of switches they go to.?
Thanks




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67800 From: David Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: FREE DECALS (Advertisement)
As everyone that has ever purchased decals from us has noticed we always include one (1) FREE decal as a sample in each order on our order form. The FREE decal has changed almost on a weekly bassis to this end we are now standardizing this practice by making the FREE decal the same in each order for a period of one (1) year and will change every year beginning on 1 January. This year we have choosen the logo for the "BUFFALO CREEK & GAULEY RR". This FREE decal is printed in METALLIC SILVER on clear film and is .850"W x .431"H in size. This FREE decal may also be purchased in a four (4) logo set for $3.95 which includes shipping.

Thank you all for your continuing support.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872
Group: S-Trains Message: 67801 From: rj4010d Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
I had the front motor stop also.Lionel ( China) has used a VERY NON FLEXABLE wire in these engines & the wire to the motors has to flex.Mine had NO slak in the wire to left front motor & it broke off at the motor inside the shrink wrap.Pulled a little slak from harness & resoldered.
Good luck.
Bob Guckian

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:
>
> Had the same exact problem with one of  my Challengers. I took it to my authorized Lionel repair shop but got it back without the problem being solved.  I have two challengers the one with the problem had no slack in the wires leading to the IR sensor.  I opened up the locomotive which was easy and traced the IR sensor wires into a bundle of wires. I gently pulled out of the bundle the wires leading to the IR sensor to give it a lot more slack. Put it back together and the sound has worked fine.  Now it is going back to the repair shop because the front motor stopped running last night.  Less than seven hours of run time on the locomotive. Since it is under warrenty Lionel is going to have to pay for the costs to fixed it. 
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: fnmichong <fnmichong@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:46 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Challenger Problem
>
>
>  
> I have a Lionel/AF 4-6-6-4 that stops chuffing when going around a curve (Gilbert track). Chuffing resumes on the straight. I suspect the chuff sensor has a problem. Anybody know where that is located? Other data: tender is ok (swapped tenders), IR coupler is ok (whistle works even when chuffing stops), chuffing is ok backing up.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67802 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
Hi Mike,

I would guess the seller works in an office somewhere and uses his companies mail room so he pays no shipping either. Who knows - maybe the coffee mug came from his office break room so he has no costs at all - lol.

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Ok, I read about the road bed selling for $300. Pretty high.
> Now my story. My favorite coffee mug broke. So I went to E-Bay, after
> looking at trains(RELATED) I found about 6 mugs like mine, most were $15-$20 +
> $10 shipping. I saw one for $10 Free shipping...A steal...Buy it now.... Or
> best offer... What the heck being kinda cheap, I offered $8.... & was
> surprised to get it. I got the item today shipped Priority Mail ($10.25) I'm
> pleased but confused...Mike in OR
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67803 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
I don't see how one can rate someone for excessive postage, if you decide to
bid for the item.

To me in bidding you excepted the postage charge.

What I don't understand is the post office 2 day charge for Priority Mail
say at 6 and then 2 day business mail at 3 as I mailed something to a train
business for repair.

I used the business charge since it was going to a business.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: schwartzsj@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:22 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; mlmarmer@...
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: E-BAY GONE MAD


I have been running into the same problem. Apparently, there is a Priority
Mail "fixed price" box that costs $10.95. It's easy for these lazy people
just to order up a few of these boxes, pack them up, not weigh anything, or
even take it to the post office. Also, it seems when you rate sellers for
excessive postage, it doesn't seem to matter. I also like the guys who
charge $15.00 shipping and only spend $7.00. The rest is for "handling".
GRRRR!
____________________________________________________________
53 Year Old Mom Looks 33
The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4f16b9d2c749733ac0est05duc
Group: S-Trains Message: 67804 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: EBay gone mad ...and why
There are some terrific deals to be had, and there are some terrific screwings to be had as well! It's not just the recent Postal Service prepaid box/shipping laziness, there have been guys selling on eBay for a long time who just plain rip everyone off with their "shipping & handling" fees. In many cases, the "shafting & fleecing" fees are engineered to be part of the profit. Actually, it's the same thing as those clowns on TV with their $19.95 junk who "double your order FREE," but nail you ridiculous additional postage. You then have two semi-worthless pieces of garbage and paid extra for the privilage of being ripped off!
And then there is the sea of unscrupulous sellers who purposely use bad photography and muddled descriptions to rob the unwary. EBay will do nothing about this, but they probably can't keep up with the fraud in every category anyway! And if they do, the same guys reappear a few weeks later under new names anyway.
But the root cause is that there are collectors who will pay outrageous sums for things and accept being screwed on shipping just to get something they want instantly rather than shop around. Many collectors are their own worst enemies, and the enemies of everyone else in the hobby who isn't flush with money.
In all the discussions of why S gauge isn't growing, I have yet to see anyone dare to mention that rabid collectors and the parasites who feed off them are part of the problem.
Being greedy or stupid has never been something to be admired. Paying $10. a section for crumbly old roadbed is not only moronic, it's dangerous to the health of the hobby! Do you really expect predatory eBay sellers to police themselves? That's like expecting politicians to be honest!
Yes, there are great buys to be had on good stuff! But there are great rip offs as well. If you stop feeding parasites they look for a new host!
And now that I have thoroughly pissed off all the crooked eBay sellers and rabid collectors on the Group with what is simply an observation of human nature, I will go put on my fire retardant suit and await the blast!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 67805 From: R G Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: EBay gone mad ...and why
You are correct Stumpy.  I got burn once buying on line, never again.  I like to hold and see in person what I am buying and if the price is to high I walk away!



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From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:00 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] EBay gone mad ...and why


 
There are some terrific deals to be had, and there are some terrific screwings to be had as well! It's not just the recent Postal Service prepaid box/shipping laziness, there have been guys selling on eBay for a long time who just plain rip everyone off with their "shipping & handling" fees. In many cases, the "shafting & fleecing" fees are engineered to be part of the profit. Actually, it's the same thing as those clowns on TV with their $19.95 junk who "double your order FREE," but nail you ridiculous additional postage. You then have two semi-worthless pieces of garbage and paid extra for the privilage of being ripped off!
And then there is the sea of unscrupulous sellers who purposely use bad photography and muddled descriptions to rob the unwary. EBay will do nothing about this, but they probably can't keep up with the fraud in every category anyway! And if they do, the same guys reappear a few weeks later under new names anyway.
But the root cause is that there are collectors who will pay outrageous sums for things and accept being screwed on shipping just to get something they want instantly rather than shop around. Many collectors are their own worst enemies, and the enemies of everyone else in the hobby who isn't flush with money.
In all the discussions of why S gauge isn't growing, I have yet to see anyone dare to mention that rabid collectors and the parasites who feed off them are part of the problem.
Being greedy or stupid has never been something to be admired. Paying $10. a section for crumbly old roadbed is not only moronic, it's dangerous to the health of the hobby! Do you really expect predatory eBay sellers to police themselves? That's like expecting politicians to be honest!
Yes, there are great buys to be had on good stuff! But there are great rip offs as well. If you stop feeding parasites they look for a new host!
And now that I have thoroughly pissed off all the crooked eBay sellers and rabid collectors on the Group with what is simply an observation of human nature, I will go put on my fire retardant suit and await the blast!
Stumpy in Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67806 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Budd Cars
Hi all:
I have a problem/question about the trucks on the Budd car. I did have
several email exchanges with the manufacturer, but I probably wasn't
communicating correctly and I haven't quite gotten a resolution to the
problem. Here it is:
I have been running some of the Budd cars (hi-rail) and one of the
screws holding one of the trucks came out. I have the screw, so I
reattached the truck using the "shoulder" screw. When I tighten the
screw up, the truck binds and won't turn. I didn't want to only
partially screw the screw in since it would work itself out again. Is
there some type of 'loc-tite' or washer to stop the screw from going
into the body too far so that the truck doesn't bind when I tighten the
screw? There appeared to be some small red stiff like material with a
round loop on one end - did this come off the screw? This red thin
material wasn't any of the electrical wires for lighting. Suggestions
are appreciated. (Of course, I could take one of the other trucks off,
but I don't want to compound the problem:-) .)
thanks
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
Group: S-Trains Message: 67807 From: R G Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Thanks for the information I'll open it up and see if that is the problem.



________________________________
From: rj4010d <bjg@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:17 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Challenger Problem


 
I had the front motor stop also.Lionel ( China) has used a VERY NON FLEXABLE wire in these engines & the wire to the motors has to flex.Mine had NO slak in the wire to left front motor & it broke off at the motor inside the shrink wrap.Pulled a little slak from harness & resoldered.
Good luck.
Bob Guckian

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:
>
> Had the same exact problem with one of  my Challengers. I took it to my authorized Lionel repair shop but got it back without the problem being solved.  I have two challengers the one with the problem had no slack in the wires leading to the IR sensor.  I opened up the locomotive which was easy and traced the IR sensor wires into a bundle of wires. I gently pulled out of the bundle the wires leading to the IR sensor to give it a lot more slack. Put it back together and the sound has worked fine.  Now it is going back to the repair shop because the front motor stopped running last night.  Less than seven hours of run time on the locomotive. Since it is under warrenty Lionel is going to have to pay for the costs to fixed it. 
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: fnmichong <fnmichong@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:46 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Challenger Problem
>
>
>  
> I have a Lionel/AF 4-6-6-4 that stops chuffing when going around a curve (Gilbert track). Chuffing resumes on the straight. I suspect the chuff sensor has a problem. Anybody know where that is located? Other data: tender is ok (swapped tenders), IR coupler is ok (whistle works even when chuffing stops), chuffing is ok backing up.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67808 From: Frank Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: EBay gone mad ...and why
Stumpy, I can not agree more with your comments. I have purchased lots off eBay and all has been great on what I but. But there are those thar tear apart good engines and ruin a good engine.
Maybe NASG should do a sales site ? But then they might deal with the same issues Frank

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 18, 2012, at 10:00 AM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

> There are some terrific deals to be had, and there are some terrific screwings to be had as well! It's not just the recent Postal Service prepaid box/shipping laziness, there have been guys selling on eBay for a long time who just plain rip everyone off with their "shipping & handling" fees. In many cases, the "shafting & fleecing" fees are engineered to be part of the profit. Actually, it's the same thing as those clowns on TV with their $19.95 junk who "double your order FREE," but nail you ridiculous additional postage. You then have two semi-worthless pieces of garbage and paid extra for the privilage of being ripped off!
> And then there is the sea of unscrupulous sellers who purposely use bad photography and muddled descriptions to rob the unwary. EBay will do nothing about this, but they probably can't keep up with the fraud in every category anyway! And if they do, the same guys reappear a few weeks later under new names anyway.
> But the root cause is that there are collectors who will pay outrageous sums for things and accept being screwed on shipping just to get something they want instantly rather than shop around. Many collectors are their own worst enemies, and the enemies of everyone else in the hobby who isn't flush with money.
> In all the discussions of why S gauge isn't growing, I have yet to see anyone dare to mention that rabid collectors and the parasites who feed off them are part of the problem.
> Being greedy or stupid has never been something to be admired. Paying $10. a section for crumbly old roadbed is not only moronic, it's dangerous to the health of the hobby! Do you really expect predatory eBay sellers to police themselves? That's like expecting politicians to be honest!
> Yes, there are great buys to be had on good stuff! But there are great rip offs as well. If you stop feeding parasites they look for a new host!
> And now that I have thoroughly pissed off all the crooked eBay sellers and rabid collectors on the Group with what is simply an observation of human nature, I will go put on my fire retardant suit and await the blast!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67809 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Latest SHS developments...
We have uploaded the latest SHS Update and Order Form on our website. If you are interested, please go to...

www.showcaseline.com

Don
PS If you have a 2010 Christmas Car on order, please contact us regarding either a refund of using your credit...
Group: S-Trains Message: 67810 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: EBay gone mad ...and why
Hi Guys,

You make some good points, Stumpy, as usual.

However (there is always a however these days), I am not sure I agree
with you on two points. First, the well-heeled collectors have their own
money to with as they please. I really cannot object if the plans they
implement for their hobby are not consistent with my strategy or the
plans of others. Their cash, their choice. I would have it no other way.

I feel the same way when someone tells me I cannot or should not modify
an old, mass-produced toy because it is rare. My toy, my business. We do
not have to live with a central authority that governs our every
activity. And there are plenty of these old things already in one
collection or another.

Second, those shipping charges may or may not be reasonable. They are
listed prior to bidding. If you don't see the shipping cost, ask for it.
If they don't provide it, don't bid. Ebay has added the shipping costs
to the base on which they calculate final value fees, so for both
parties, the shipping is just a part of the cost.

I hate to pay for shipping. Everyone hates to pay shipping. But,
remember this, the packing materials cost money: tape, boxes, peanuts,
bubble wrap - it all adds up. For bigger sellers, there must also be a
cost for the labor involved whether it is their own or that of someone else.

Shipping using those USPS Priority boxes means the seller need not buy
or store boxes. I rarely see a buyer offer to pay me a little extra
because the boxes I store to pack the things which I hope to ship take
up the very limited space for my trains. Maybe I should add a check box
offering them that choice: "Please include an extra $2.00 if you wish to
help me expand my layout."

Even if smaller shippers reuse boxes, peanuts or bubble wrap (I know I
do), that stuff belongs to the seller. In our economic system that
amounts to private property and buyers are not entitled to just grab it
for free.

Other than that, I agree with you totally and that is very rare and
highly collectible.

Old Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida


On 1/18/2012 10:00 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
> There are some terrific deals to be had, and there are some terrific screwings to be had as well! It's not just the recent Postal Service prepaid box/shipping laziness, there have been guys selling on eBay for a long time who just plain rip everyone off with their "shipping& handling" fees. In many cases, the "shafting& fleecing" fees are engineered to be part of the profit. Actually, it's the same thing as those clowns on TV with their $19.95 junk who "double your order FREE," but nail you ridiculous additional postage. You then have two semi-worthless pieces of garbage and paid extra for the privilage of being ripped off!
> And then there is the sea of unscrupulous sellers who purposely use bad photography and muddled descriptions to rob the unwary. EBay will do nothing about this, but they probably can't keep up with the fraud in every category anyway! And if they do, the same guys reappear a few weeks later under new names anyway.
> But the root cause is that there are collectors who will pay outrageous sums for things and accept being screwed on shipping just to get something they want instantly rather than shop around. Many collectors are their own worst enemies, and the enemies of everyone else in the hobby who isn't flush with money.
> In all the discussions of why S gauge isn't growing, I have yet to see anyone dare to mention that rabid collectors and the parasites who feed off them are part of the problem.
> Being greedy or stupid has never been something to be admired. Paying $10. a section for crumbly old roadbed is not only moronic, it's dangerous to the health of the hobby! Do you really expect predatory eBay sellers to police themselves? That's like expecting politicians to be honest!
> Yes, there are great buys to be had on good stuff! But there are great rip offs as well. If you stop feeding parasites they look for a new host!
> And now that I have thoroughly pissed off all the crooked eBay sellers and rabid collectors on the Group with what is simply an observation of human nature, I will go put on my fire retardant suit and await the blast!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67811 From: George Cohn Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: EBay gone mad ...and why
On 1/18/2012 8:00 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:

> It's not just the recent Postal Service prepaid box/shipping laziness,

Actually, the flat rate boxes are usually a bargain.

I use them all of the time and find that 95% of the time, they are
cheaper than buying my own boxes and paying regular priority mail rates.

The cost difference between parcel post and priority mail is negligible
these days and the post office gives you the flat rate priority mail
boxes at no direct charge.

I also save and recycle the peanuts and bubble wrap from packages I
receive so my shipping costs usually just end up being the actual
postage and the cost of tape and labels.

But yes, there are those who do use shipping as a profit center.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 67812 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Bob,

With that information, sounds as if all Challenger owners need to take a
look and perhaps do some preventative maintenance.

Roy



From: rj4010d <bjg@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:17:36 +0000
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Challenger Problem






I had the front motor stop also.Lionel ( China) has used a VERY NON FLEXABLE
wire in these engines & the wire to the motors has to flex.Mine had NO slak
in the wire to left front motor & it broke off at the motor inside the
shrink wrap.Pulled a little slak from harness & resoldered.
Good luck.
Bob Guckian

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , R G
<keyhole_corona@...> wrote:
>
> Had the same exact problem with one of  my Challengers. I took it to my
authorized Lionel repair shop but got it back without the problem being
solved.  I have two challengers the one with the problem had no slack in the
wires leading to the IR sensor.  I opened up the locomotive which was easy and
traced the IR sensor wires into a bundle of wires. I gently pulled out of the
bundle the wires leading to the IR sensor to give it a lot more slack. Put it
back together and the sound has worked fine.  Now it is going back to the
repair shop because the front motor stopped running last night.  Less than
seven hours of run time on the locomotive. Since it is under warrenty Lionel is
going to have to pay for the costs to fixed it. 
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: fnmichong <fnmichong@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:46 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Challenger Problem
>
>
>  
> I have a Lionel/AF 4-6-6-4 that stops chuffing when going around a curve
(Gilbert track). Chuffing resumes on the straight. I suspect the chuff sensor
has a problem. Anybody know where that is located? Other data: tender is ok
(swapped tenders), IR coupler is ok (whistle works even when chuffing stops),
chuffing is ok backing up.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>








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Group: S-Trains Message: 67813 From: ALan Evans Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Preventative maintenance is outside the box (read "shell"); QC is inside
the box.



- Alan Evans



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Roy Inman
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:53 PM
To: S-trains
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Challenger Problem





Bob,

With that information, sounds as if all Challenger owners need to take a
look and perhaps do some preventative maintenance.

Roy






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Group: S-Trains Message: 67814 From: rick gough Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
I always negotiate postage before entering the bidding arena. The Ebay postage estimator is often unrealistic and most sellers know this, and most sellers will [and should] ship however the buyer wants within reason. A few sellers are looking to make a buck on the shipping and it is good to know before hand what you are dealing with.


rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67815 From: jhw749@frontiernet.net Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: AF toy trains
I added an album, AF toy trains, of my Christmas display. I had several groups of school children come to view it (adults had to be accompanied by a child). It is what Gilbert made - toy trains to be played with. The kids enjoyed the operating accessories - especially the coal(M&M) loader. For their hard work, they got a handful of M&Ms to eat. BIG HIT! I like steam, ran an AM Northern and AF Hudson on the two trains. Used many new AM, SHS, and Lionel cars with Gilbert action cars. I collect hollowcast figures and Plasticville also. There is a lot of whimsy on the layout. Extra candy (in the two gondolos and Hershey Kiss loaded hopper) for anyone who could find King Kong, a red Mickey Mouse, an armadillo, a miniature mousetrap, Hamlet and other items.

Reading the threads, I decided to make a platform for the mail pickup car. My first attempt, had an opening in the left end of the wall. Unfortunatly, that is where most of the mail got put off (onto the floor). My second attempt, I put the opening on the right and now all mail bags land on the platform. I also made a platform for the Moe & Joe Lumberyard where the boys unload the lumber. Hope to add a few more as the winter progresses.

It is not close to high rail but it is fun, especially watching kids and adults expressions as they operate the accessories. Hope you enjoy the photos.
Jim
Group: S-Trains Message: 67816 From: Tom Detmer Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Latest SHS developments...
Hi Don,

This is in regards to my 2010 Christmas Car deposit. I'm sorry it
hasn't worked out. I would like to obtain a refund of the deposit,
which I paid by credit card. You should have my current credit card
information already on file. If not, please let me know.

I look forward to future products and perhaps another Christmas car
after this break in production. I'm glad you're getting the molds and
so forth back from Kanda San.

Tom Detmer
Madison, WI


On 1/18/2012 12:11 PM, Don Thompson wrote:
>
> We have uploaded the latest SHS Update and Order Form on our website.
> If you are interested, please go to...
>
> www.showcaseline.com
>
> Don
> PS If you have a 2010 Christmas Car on order, please contact us
> regarding either a refund of using your credit...
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67817 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
HI David and all.

I agree that some people may have a mail advantage for the costs of shipping, but don't forget that some of us that ship do have costs from places like Staples for tape and labels and foam. Some of us also have the expense of driving miles to a PO to mail things and gas, oil and wear and tear isn't free. I let the buyer know all the costs before shipping and they can decide if it's fair or not before the purchase.

Howard Sheffield



On Jan 18, 2012, at 5:52 AM, bull_gator_1 wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> I would guess the seller works in an office somewhere and uses his companies mail room so he pays no shipping either. Who knows - maybe the coffee mug came from his office break room so he has no costs at all - lol.
>
> David
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
> >
> > Ok, I read about the road bed selling for $300. Pretty high.
> > Now my story. My favorite coffee mug broke. So I went to E-Bay, after
> > looking at trains(RELATED) I found about 6 mugs like mine, most were $15-$20 +
> > $10 shipping. I saw one for $10 Free shipping...A steal...Buy it now.... Or
> > best offer... What the heck being kinda cheap, I offered $8.... & was
> > surprised to get it. I got the item today shipped Priority Mail ($10.25) I'm
> > pleased but confused...Mike in OR
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67818 From: R G Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Thanks for your e-mail.  The right wire to the motor broke off under the shrink wrap I gave it more slack so it should be fine now.  I put the loco on the track and away it went!   Thanks again for the info!



________________________________
From: rj4010d <bjg@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:17 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Challenger Problem


 
I had the front motor stop also.Lionel ( China) has used a VERY NON FLEXABLE wire in these engines & the wire to the motors has to flex.Mine had NO slak in the wire to left front motor & it broke off at the motor inside the shrink wrap.Pulled a little slak from harness & resoldered.
Good luck.
Bob Guckian

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:
>
> Had the same exact problem with one of  my Challengers. I took it to my authorized Lionel repair shop but got it back without the problem being solved.  I have two challengers the one with the problem had no slack in the wires leading to the IR sensor.  I opened up the locomotive which was easy and traced the IR sensor wires into a bundle of wires. I gently pulled out of the bundle the wires leading to the IR sensor to give it a lot more slack. Put it back together and the sound has worked fine.  Now it is going back to the repair shop because the front motor stopped running last night.  Less than seven hours of run time on the locomotive. Since it is under warrenty Lionel is going to have to pay for the costs to fixed it. 
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: fnmichong <fnmichong@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:46 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Challenger Problem
>
>
>  
> I have a Lionel/AF 4-6-6-4 that stops chuffing when going around a curve (Gilbert track). Chuffing resumes on the straight. I suspect the chuff sensor has a problem. Anybody know where that is located? Other data: tender is ok (swapped tenders), IR coupler is ok (whistle works even when chuffing stops), chuffing is ok backing up.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67819 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
I think the only one that got what my post was really about was David.
They had FREE SHIPPING, the mug cost me $8.00....When I got it I saw they
paid $10.25 shipping, with E-bay & Paypal fees they lost about $6.00 on
the deal. Mike


In a message dated 1/18/2012 6:44:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
bull_gator_1@... writes:




Hi Mike,

I would guess the seller works in an office somewhere and uses his
companies mail room so he pays no shipping either. Who knows - maybe the coffee
mug came from his office break room so he has no costs at all - lol.

David

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Ok, I read about the road bed selling for $300. Pretty high.
> Now my story. My favorite coffee mug broke. So I went to E-Bay, after
> looking at trains(RELATED) I found about 6 mugs like mine, most were
$15-$20 +
> $10 shipping. I saw one for $10 Free shipping...A steal...Buy it now....
Or
> best offer... What the heck being kinda cheap, I offered $8.... & was
> surprised to get it. I got the item today shipped Priority Mail ($10.25)
I'm
> pleased but confused...Mike in OR
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 67820 From: Brady Burdge Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: New Layout Photos with Old AF
Mike

Great photos, always nice to see Flyer in a scale environment

Brady


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67821 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
RE: SHIPPING..... Remember ebay takes about 15% of the shipping cost in fees.... So a 10.00 box shipped I only get about 8.50!!!!!... When profit is short or non existant.... just another fee added on.... Bob

--- On Wed, 1/18/12, Howard Sheffield <hjsheff@...> wrote:


From: Howard Sheffield <hjsheff@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 7:14 PM



 



HI David and all.

I agree that some people may have a mail advantage for the costs of shipping, but don't forget that some of us that ship do have costs from places like Staples for tape and labels and foam. Some of us also have the expense of driving miles to a PO to mail things and gas, oil and wear and tear isn't free. I let the buyer know all the costs before shipping and they can decide if it's fair or not before the purchase.

Howard Sheffield

On Jan 18, 2012, at 5:52 AM, bull_gator_1 wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> I would guess the seller works in an office somewhere and uses his companies mail room so he pays no shipping either. Who knows - maybe the coffee mug came from his office break room so he has no costs at all - lol.
>
> David
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
> >
> > Ok, I read about the road bed selling for $300. Pretty high.
> > Now my story. My favorite coffee mug broke. So I went to E-Bay, after
> > looking at trains(RELATED) I found about 6 mugs like mine, most were $15-$20 +
> > $10 shipping. I saw one for $10 Free shipping...A steal...Buy it now.... Or
> > best offer... What the heck being kinda cheap, I offered $8.... & was
> > surprised to get it. I got the item today shipped Priority Mail ($10.25) I'm
> > pleased but confused...Mike in OR
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67822 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
What I use for packing is the plastic bags from the market. Great to
reuse. One advantage I do have is I pass the PO on my way to & from work & at 5
am the automated mailing center is great. Mike


In a message dated 1/18/2012 4:27:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
hjsheff@... writes:




HI David and all.

I agree that some people may have a mail advantage for the costs of
shipping, but don't forget that some of us that ship do have costs from places
like Staples for tape and labels and foam. Some of us also have the expense
of driving miles to a PO to mail things and gas, oil and wear and tear isn't
free. I let the buyer know all the costs before shipping and they can
decide if it's fair or not before the purchase.

Howard Sheffield

On Jan 18, 2012, at 5:52 AM, bull_gator_1 wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> I would guess the seller works in an office somewhere and uses his
companies mail room so he pays no shipping either. Who knows - maybe the coffee
mug came from his office break room so he has no costs at all - lol.
>
> David
>
> --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
anormal1@... wrote:
> >
> > Ok, I read about the road bed selling for $300. Pretty high.
> > Now my story. My favorite coffee mug broke. So I went to E-Bay, after
> > looking at trains(RELATED) I found about 6 mugs like mine, most were
$15-$20 +
> > $10 shipping. I saw one for $10 Free shipping...A steal...Buy it
now.... Or
> > best offer... What the heck being kinda cheap, I offered $8.... & was
> > surprised to get it. I got the item today shipped Priority Mail
($10.25) I'm
> > pleased but confused...Mike in OR
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67823 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/18/2012
Subject: Re: New Layout Photos with Old AF
Thanks Brady.

It was nice to run my first AF set on the layout too.

Mike

From: Brady Burdge
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:35 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Layout Photos with Old AF


Mike

Great photos, always nice to see Flyer in a scale environment

Brady

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67824 From: Jimbo Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: another question
I got my stockyard today the cows move around really good but dont go up the ramp to the stockcar, i know i need to replace the felt bottoms with new ones, they move really good in the pins but wont go up, any ideals? the mat is not stuck to the flr ans is in good condition, was dirty but cleaned it, any other options?
Group: S-Trains Message: 67825 From: jad01@bellsouth.net Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: wheel allignment
two questions what is best say to put wheel back onto axile after pulling it off second question how far apart does right and left go, the power hubs are off set by how much is it different for each train and how do you mark them are set them if you have to pull both, are just pull one at a time?

the 332 (dc) will be put up for sale on ebay, the club decided and told me about it today, they said it would be easier money tranfer this way, sorry about that i am a new member and only have so much to say.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67826 From: David Highfield Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Krispy Kreme car
If anyone had a Krispy Kreme car for sale, I'm interested. I already
have the store and truck but am sure they also want to take advantage
of products delivered by rail.
Thanks,
Dave
davidhighmd@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 67827 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: K325 lacks pulling power
Steve wins the gold star! 


I had cleaned the e-unit fingers and drum and figured they were okay because the engine ran fine and pulled a "normal" load without trouble.  It's just with the ultra-heavy load of the four aluminum streamliners that it struggled badly; it had far less pulling power than my K325.

I just replaced the fingersand now it pulls those cars just fine.

Thank you, Steve!



________________________________
From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K325 lacks pulling power


 
Probably a high resistance in the Reverse unit finger/drum contacts.
Steve


In a message dated 12/31/2011 2:08:01 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
theupstairstrain@... writes:

In one of the estates I'm selling is a K325 that runs and reverses just
fine and smokes terrifically well. But when I put three passenger cars
behind it, it really struggles. I have to give it a little push to get it
started. It does speed up a bit on a long straightaway, but slows down a lot
with the extra strain of going around a curve. I haven't bothered to try it
on an incline. My K325 pulls those same cars just fine, so it's not a
problem of friction in the wheels of the cars.

I've cleaned the wheels, brushes, and commutator, and have greased the
gears and oiled the linkages and axles. I don't know what to do next.

What might cause this and how do I fix it?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67828 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: E-BAY GONE MAD
Ahh, they’ll make it up on volume….



Ben





From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:12 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: E-BAY GONE MAD





I think the only one that got what my post was really about was David.
They had FREE SHIPPING, the mug cost me $8.00....When I got it I saw they
paid $10.25 shipping, with E-bay & Paypal fees they lost about $6.00 on
the deal. Mike


In a message dated 1/18/2012 6:44:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
bull_gator_1@... <mailto:bull_gator_1%40yahoo.com> writes:

Hi Mike,

I would guess the seller works in an office somewhere and uses his
companies mail room so he pays no shipping either. Who knows - maybe the coffee
mug came from his office break room so he has no costs at all - lol.

David

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> _ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ) ,
anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Ok, I read about the road bed selling for $300. Pretty high.
> Now my story. My favorite coffee mug broke. So I went to E-Bay, after
> looking at trains(RELATED) I found about 6 mugs like mine, most were
$15-$20 +
> $10 shipping. I saw one for $10 Free shipping...A steal...Buy it now....
Or
> best offer... What the heck being kinda cheap, I offered $8.... & was
> surprised to get it. I got the item today shipped Priority Mail ($10.25)
I'm
> pleased but confused...Mike in OR
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67829 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: wheel allignment
You may get several answers to this but using a quartering tool is much the
most accurate method.

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 1/19/2012 3:25:36 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
jad01@... writes:




two questions what is best say to put wheel back onto axile after pulling
it off second question how far apart does right and left go, the power hubs
are off set by how much is it different for each train and how do you mark
them are set them if you have to pull both, are just pull one at a time?

the 332 (dc) will be put up for sale on ebay, the club decided and told me
about it today, they said it would be easier money tranfer this way, sorry
about that i am a new member and only have so much to say.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 67830 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: another question
A lot of the old vintage operating accessories both lionel and Flyer never worked 100% even when they were new, you may need to push the cattle a bit now and then to get them started up the ramp. Another accessorie know for its erratic operation is the both the old Lionel and Flyer milk cars they some times would launch milk cans across the layout over shooting the milk platform. 

--- On Thu, 1/19/12, Jimbo <jad01@...> wrote:


From: Jimbo <jad01@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] another question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 19, 2012, 4:25 AM



 



I got my stockyard today the cows move around really good but dont go up the ramp to the stockcar, i know i need to replace the felt bottoms with new ones, they move really good in the pins but wont go up, any ideals? the mat is not stuck to the flr ans is in good condition, was dirty but cleaned it, any other options?








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Group: S-Trains Message: 67831 From: Thorin Marty Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: S Scale Electoliner
Hello traction fans!

This is from the S Traction Group. There is an effort underway to get models of
the North Shore Electroliners build. Two were built; both still exist. After
the North Shore closed, they were shipped east, rebuilt, and renamed
LibertyLiners. One lives in Orbasonia, PA (Liberty Liner) and the other is in
Union, IL (Electroliner). Neither can operate.

Gerry is interested in hearing from you if you are interested. It is four units
(think of 4 RDCs) so the price is not unreasonable for a production run of about
10 units. I can't afford the complete model, ready-to-run. But I am interested
in a kit.

Thorin


Re: North Shore Electroliner
Posted by: "Gerry Siegel" cgsiegel@... ghslaw31
Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:49 am (PST)


Terry,
We are discussing the possibilities of offering the model in several different
ranges of options. As a complete model, with powered trucks, lighted interior,
reversing headlights, custom painted, and two different center cars, we belive
the set would run in the $1500 to $2000 range. As each option is reduced the
price will be lower. I can not at this time give you a complete breakdown as we
have only just started receiving interest. As you can imagine this is a very
complex project with a number of one of a kind parts. As always with a project
of this size the more orders we receive the lower it will possible to price it.
We will not undertake the project unless we are assured of fixed advance
orders. We do not make a product and try to sell it. Rather we build to fill a
specific set of orders.
Gerry Siegel

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67832 From: jim_marski Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: For Sale- Early 1950's Non-Flyer S gauge
For Sale- Early 1950's S Gauge Trains- A blast from the past

New in Box Northeastern Scale Models AAR stock car kit (wood) with trucks- $20

Super Scale Models- rough set of parts for 80' coach- metal sides- $5

Nine New In Box Chester 60' Streamliner kits- $125
These are wood kits with aluminum fluted streamline sides- no trucks- includes express/baggage, bag/dorm/chair. dining, mail car, chair car, two roomette cars, mail/baggage and obs/lounge tavern car

Ten New Mid Gauge box/reefer kits- $100
These are wood body kits that use cardstock overlay sides- no trucks- side sets are as follows- DL&W Phoebe Snow, Oscar Mayer, Gerber, Crisco, SLSW Cotton Belt, Southern, Cliquot Club, Ann Arbor and Pennsylvania

Two New in Box Kansas City Kits tank car kits- $20
These are wood tank car kits- no trucks or decals- one 2 dome and one 3 dome

Super Scale meta ACL 40' boxcar- assembled with AF trucks and link couplers- good cond- $15

Super Scale Models- DSS&A 50' double door automobile car- assmbled with AF tricks and link couplers- good condition- $15

Mid Gauge NYC Merchants Despatch reefer- assembled with AF tricks and link couplers- good condition- $10

Mid Gauge Gerbers reefer- assembled with AF trucks and link couplers- good condition- $10

Five Kansas City Kits cars- assembled with AF trucks and link couplers- low detail- Crystal tank car, NYC boom car, flat car, gondola and depressed center flat car- $30

Box of wood car parts and S freight car castings including a new in box set of Franklin Model 6 wheel Pennsy passenger trucks- $20

Assortment of TruScale wood track items- a few switch bases plus a wye swith, completed crossover and crossing- $35

If you are interested, contact me off list at marski@...

Thanks,
Jim
Group: S-Trains Message: 67833 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
The LIONEL saga continues


In a message dated 1/18/2012 9:43:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bjg@... writes:

I had the front motor stop also.Lionel ( China) has used a VERY NON
FLEXABLE wire in these engines & the wire to the motors has to flex.Mine had NO
slak in the wire to left front motor & it broke off at the motor inside the
shrink wrap.Pulled a little slak from harness & resoldered.
Good luck.
Bob Guckian

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:
>
> Had the same exact problem with one of  my Challengers. I took it to my
authorized Lionel repair shop but got it back without the problem being
solved. I have two challengers the one with the problem had no slack in the
wires leading to the IR sensor. I opened up the locomotive which was
easy and traced the IR sensor wires into a bundle of wires. I gently pulled
out of the bundle the wires leading to the IR sensor to give it a lot more
slack. Put it back together and the sound has worked fine. Now it is going
back to the repair shop because the front motor stopped running last
night. Less than seven hours of run time on the locomotive. Since it is under
warrenty Lionel is going to have to pay for the costs to fixed it.Â
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: fnmichong <fnmichong@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:46 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Challenger Problem
>
>
> Â
> I have a Lionel/AF 4-6-6-4 that stops chuffing when going around a curve
(Gilbert track). Chuffing resumes on the straight. I suspect the chuff
sensor has a problem. Anybody know where that is located? Other data: tender
is ok (swapped tenders), IR coupler is ok (whistle works even when chuffing
stops), chuffing is ok backing up.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67834 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Hi Jim,

By now we should all realize that Flyonel is meant for one of three things:

1. Shelf queen.
2. Workbench queen.
3. Box queen that hopefully can be sold on to a "collector" for a profit at some date far, far away.

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
> The LIONEL saga continues
>
>
> In a message dated 1/18/2012 9:43:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> bjg@... writes:
>
> I had the front motor stop also.Lionel ( China) has used a VERY NON
> FLEXABLE wire in these engines & the wire to the motors has to flex.Mine had NO
> slak in the wire to left front motor & it broke off at the motor inside the
> shrink wrap.Pulled a little slak from harness & resoldered.
> Good luck.
> Bob Guckian
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@> wrote:
> >
> > Had the same exact problem with one of  my Challengers. I took it to my
> authorized Lionel repair shop but got it back without the problem being
> solved. I have two challengers the one with the problem had no slack in the
> wires leading to the IR sensor. I opened up the locomotive which was
> easy and traced the IR sensor wires into a bundle of wires. I gently pulled
> out of the bundle the wires leading to the IR sensor to give it a lot more
> slack. Put it back together and the sound has worked fine. Now it is going
> back to the repair shop because the front motor stopped running last
> night. Less than seven hours of run time on the locomotive. Since it is under
> warrenty Lionel is going to have to pay for the costs to fixed it.Â
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: fnmichong <fnmichong@>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:46 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Challenger Problem
> >
> >
> > Â
> > I have a Lionel/AF 4-6-6-4 that stops chuffing when going around a curve
> (Gilbert track). Chuffing resumes on the straight. I suspect the chuff
> sensor has a problem. Anybody know where that is located? Other data: tender
> is ok (swapped tenders), IR coupler is ok (whistle works even when chuffing
> stops), chuffing is ok backing up.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67835 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: wheel allignment
quartering tool?




________________________________
From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 19, 2012 2:50:49 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] wheel allignment

 
You may get several answers to this but using a quartering tool is much the
most accurate method.

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 1/19/2012 3:25:36 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
jad01@... writes:

two questions what is best say to put wheel back onto axile after pulling
it off second question how far apart does right and left go, the power hubs
are off set by how much is it different for each train and how do you mark
them are set them if you have to pull both, are just pull one at a time?

the 332 (dc) will be put up for sale on ebay, the club decided and told me
about it today, they said it would be easier money tranfer this way, sorry
about that i am a new member and only have so much to say.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67836 From: rgeorge942 Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: American Hirail
I've seen some very nice S gauge passenger cars on e-bay made by "American Hirail". Does anyone have more information about these cars or the maker?
Group: S-Trains Message: 67837 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Neil Young
I am doing some emails with someone who is not on these list, but he is a S gauger out in the Milwaukee area.

Thought I would share his funny story about Neil Young.

mike Marmer


don't remember just what year it was, but here is an interesting story, since you mentioned him.
I was standing behind our club layout at Trainfest talking to the public as usual. It was later in the afternoon. These two guys stroll up to the layout. One is in a long black coat, really long hair and has a huge cup of soda and a big container of popcorn. He is munching away and watching the trains. I take another good look and then say Hi. There was no doubt in my mind who it was, and when he started talking, it was not someone who happen to look like Neil Young but was Neil Young. We talked for five minutes or so. He indicated that he also had some S gauge trains. He then proceeded on to other displays.
I'm not going to imply that most model railroaders are nerds. However I turned to my fellow Badgerland S Gaugers members and said: "Did you see that, it was Neil Young", to which the response was "Who's Neil Young? I later found out that he had a concert in Milwaukee that evening. He was probably just killing some time before the show. There are a lot of model railroaders that have no idea about the huge interest that Neil has in model trains, particularly Lionel.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67838 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Nothing quite like quality control and again Lionel has nothing quite like it.
 
Bob


________________________________
From: "WJJIM@..." <WJJIM@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Challenger Problem


 
The LIONEL saga continues


In a message dated 1/18/2012 9:43:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bjg@... writes:

I had the front motor stop also.Lionel ( China) has used a VERY NON
FLEXABLE wire in these engines & the wire to the motors has to flex.Mine had NO
slak in the wire to left front motor & it broke off at the motor inside the
shrink wrap.Pulled a little slak from harness & resoldered.
Good luck.
Bob Guckian

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:
>
> Had the same exact problem with one of  my Challengers. I took it to my
authorized Lionel repair shop but got it back without the problem being
solved. I have two challengers the one with the problem had no slack in the
wires leading to the IR sensor. I opened up the locomotive which was
easy and traced the IR sensor wires into a bundle of wires. I gently pulled
out of the bundle the wires leading to the IR sensor to give it a lot more
slack. Put it back together and the sound has worked fine. Now it is going
back to the repair shop because the front motor stopped running last
night. Less than seven hours of run time on the locomotive. Since it is under
warrenty Lionel is going to have to pay for the costs to fixed it.Â
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: fnmichong <fnmichong@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:46 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Challenger Problem
>
>
> Â
> I have a Lionel/AF 4-6-6-4 that stops chuffing when going around a curve
(Gilbert track). Chuffing resumes on the straight. I suspect the chuff
sensor has a problem. Anybody know where that is located? Other data: tender
is ok (swapped tenders), IR coupler is ok (whistle works even when chuffing
stops), chuffing is ok backing up.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67839 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/19/2012
Subject: Re: another question
Check the voltage going to the unit. MAY be too low. Use a separate
transformer IF you can, to power it, vary the voltage to see if there is an
improvement. Won't always help.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/19/2012 2:52:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
weidner@... writes:

A lot of the old vintage operating accessories both lionel and Flyer never
worked 100% even when they were new, you may need to push the cattle a bit
now and then to get them started up the ramp. Another accessorie know for
its erratic operation is the both the old Lionel and Flyer milk cars they
some times would launch milk cans across the layout over shooting the milk
platform.

--- On Thu, 1/19/12, Jimbo <jad01@...> wrote:


From: Jimbo <jad01@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] another question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 19, 2012, 4:25 AM







I got my stockyard today the cows move around really good but dont go up
the ramp to the stockcar, i know i need to replace the felt bottoms with new
ones, they move really good in the pins but wont go up, any ideals? the
mat is not stuck to the flr ans is in good condition, was dirty but cleaned
it, any other options?








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Group: S-Trains Message: 67840 From: R G Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Part of the isues many of us have faced with the challengers has to do with the bundling of wires inside the locomotive.  Both of my problems, no sound going around a curve and the breaking of a wire to the front motor are due to the factory bundling the wires too tightly and not leaving any slack. I have gone in and unfasten the zip ties and loosened up the bundle making sure that the wires have enough slack in them but not so much that they will get in the way of anything.  I then just reattached the zip ties and put everything back together.  If you remember the Big Boy would stay at an angle after leaving a curve and Carl Tuveson said that was due to the wires being bundled to tight, restricting movement.  This is a fixable problem. However space is an issue in S scale locomotives with electronic components that fit better in larger O Scale locomotives.

________________________________
From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Challenger Problem


 
Nothing quite like quality control and again Lionel has nothing quite like it.
 
Bob

________________________________
From: "WJJIM@..." <WJJIM@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Challenger Problem

 
The LIONEL saga continues

In a message dated 1/18/2012 9:43:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bjg@... writes:

I had the front motor stop also.Lionel ( China) has used a VERY NON
FLEXABLE wire in these engines & the wire to the motors has to flex.Mine had NO
slak in the wire to left front motor & it broke off at the motor inside the
shrink wrap.Pulled a little slak from harness & resoldered.
Good luck.
Bob Guckian

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:
>
> Had the same exact problem with one of  my Challengers. I took it to my
authorized Lionel repair shop but got it back without the problem being
solved. I have two challengers the one with the problem had no slack in the
wires leading to the IR sensor. I opened up the locomotive which was
easy and traced the IR sensor wires into a bundle of wires. I gently pulled
out of the bundle the wires leading to the IR sensor to give it a lot more
slack. Put it back together and the sound has worked fine. Now it is going
back to the repair shop because the front motor stopped running last
night. Less than seven hours of run time on the locomotive. Since it is under
warrenty Lionel is going to have to pay for the costs to fixed it.Â
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: fnmichong <fnmichong@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:46 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Challenger Problem
>
>
> Â
> I have a Lionel/AF 4-6-6-4 that stops chuffing when going around a curve
(Gilbert track). Chuffing resumes on the straight. I suspect the chuff
sensor has a problem. Anybody know where that is located? Other data: tender
is ok (swapped tenders), IR coupler is ok (whistle works even when chuffing
stops), chuffing is ok backing up.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67841 From: kempfam@aol.com Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Fwd: Can you pls post on the hi-rail Yahoo list?
____________________________________
From: doylesteve19@...
To: Kempfam@...
CC: pickycat95@...
Sent: 1/19/2012 6:22:35 P.M. Central Standard Time
Subj: Can you pls post on the hi-rail Yahoo list?


Hi Folks,

Gerry Siegel, in association with Pennsylvania Heritage Models
(_http://www.paheritagemodels.com/_ (http://www.paheritagemodels.com/) ),
is considering producing a short run of the
North Shore's Electroliner, a four car, double-ended, articulated
interurban
streamliner. The Electroliner ran over interurban tracks built to main line
standards and entered Chicago on elevated trackage with its sharp curves.
The
sides were curved inward at platform height for this purpose. This train
would
look good running by itself even without overhead or catenary wires.

Here are some links about the Electroliner:

_http://www.cera-chicago.org/downloads/digiarchive/Bulletin%2022.pdf_
(http://www.cera-chicago.org/downloads/digiarchive/Bulletin%2022.pdf)

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27GwxWis-2g_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27GwxWis-2g)

_http://railroadglorydays.com/Northshore/_
(http://railroadglorydays.com/Northshore/)

Tentative plans call for interior lights, reversing headlights on the two
end
cars, and all powered trucks. Interiors, poles and DCC at $50 plus the
retail
price of the chip were optional extras. These could be offered in kit form
or
RTR. You will be able to order the set, if produced, with hi-rail as well
as
scale wheels. Custom painting to reproduce the distinctive Electroliner
look is
also a possibility. Since the Electroliner is roughly equivalent of four
powered
RDCs, the low side of the current estimated retail cost for the set is
$1500 to
$2000.

If you are interested in having an Electroliner, please contact Gerry
directly
at cgsiegel at _embarqmail.com_ (http://embarqmail.com/) .

Sent from my iPad
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67842 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Not new. I removed a wheel from a 1921 Lionel Standard Gauge loco which had a
crank pin hole drilled on about a 70 degree angle. It had been run for years in a
jerky manner and had worn the side rod into a wide oval. Obviously left the
factory that way. Alistair

On Fri 20/01/12 9:22 AM , robert hendrickson canambob91710k@... sent:
> Nothing quite like quality control and again Lionel has nothing
> quite like it.
>  
> Bob
> ________________________________
> From: ""
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Challenger Problem
>  
> The LIONEL saga continues
> In a message dated 1/18/2012 9:43:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> writes:
> I had the front motor stop also.Lionel ( China) has used a VERY NON
> FLEXABLE wire in these engines & the wire to the motors has to
> flex.Mine had NO
> slak in the wire to left front motor & it broke off at the motor
> inside the
> shrink wrap.Pulled a little slak from harness & resoldered.
> Good luck.
> Bob Guckian
> --- In , R G wrote:
> >
> > Had the same exact problem with one of  my Challengers. I took
> it to my
> authorized Lionel repair shop but got it back without the problem
> being
> solved. I have two challengers the one with the problem had no
> slack in the
> wires leading to the IR sensor. I opened up the locomotive which
> was
> easy and traced the IR sensor wires into a bundle of wires. I gently
> pulled
> out of the bundle the wires leading to the IR sensor to give it a
> lot more
> slack. Put it back together and the sound has worked fine. Now it
> is going
> back to the repair shop because the front motor stopped running last
>
> night. Less than seven hours of run time on the locomotive. Since
> it is under
> warrenty Lionel is going to have to pay for the costs to fixed
> it.Â
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: fnmichong
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:46 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Challenger Problem
> >
> >
> > Â
> > I have a Lionel/AF 4-6-6-4 that stops chuffing when going around a
> curve
> (Gilbert track). Chuffing resumes on the straight. I suspect the
> chuff
> sensor has a problem. Anybody know where that is located? Other
> data: tender
> is ok (swapped tenders), IR coupler is ok (whistle works even when
> chuffing
> stops), chuffing is ok backing up.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67843 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
can they run in dc



-----Original Message-----
From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 19, 2012 9:57 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Challenger Problem




Nothing quite like quality control and again Lionel has nothing quite like it.

Bob

________________________________
From: "WJJIM@..." <WJJIM@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Challenger Problem


The LIONEL saga continues

In a message dated 1/18/2012 9:43:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bjg@... writes:

I had the front motor stop also.Lionel ( China) has used a VERY NON
FLEXABLE wire in these engines & the wire to the motors has to flex.Mine had NO
slak in the wire to left front motor & it broke off at the motor inside the
shrink wrap.Pulled a little slak from harness & resoldered.
Good luck.
Bob Guckian

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:
>
> Had the same exact problem with one of  my Challengers. I took it to my
authorized Lionel repair shop but got it back without the problem being
solved. I have two challengers the one with the problem had no slack in the
wires leading to the IR sensor. I opened up the locomotive which was
easy and traced the IR sensor wires into a bundle of wires. I gently pulled
out of the bundle the wires leading to the IR sensor to give it a lot more
slack. Put it back together and the sound has worked fine. Now it is going
back to the repair shop because the front motor stopped running last
night. Less than seven hours of run time on the locomotive. Since it is under
warrenty Lionel is going to have to pay for the costs to fixed it.Â
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: fnmichong <fnmichong@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:46 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Challenger Problem
>
>
> Â
> I have a Lionel/AF 4-6-6-4 that stops chuffing when going around a curve
(Gilbert track). Chuffing resumes on the straight. I suspect the chuff
sensor has a problem. Anybody know where that is located? Other data: tender
is ok (swapped tenders), IR coupler is ok (whistle works even when chuffing
stops), chuffing is ok backing up.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67844 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Wow, I guess I am the only one who has had no trouble with any of the 11
Flyonel engines I own.

My mileage varied.

Roy

>Hi Jim,

By now we should all realize that Flyonel is meant for one of three things:

1. Shelf queen.
2. Workbench queen.
3. Box queen that hopefully can be sold on to a "collector" for a profit at
some date far, far away.<




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67845 From: Al Baker Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Ok Mike, I'll bite. Who is Neil Young?

Al Baker
(maybe I live too far west to have heard of him...)



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
>
> I am doing some emails with someone who is not on these list, but he is a S gauger out in the Milwaukee area.
>
> Thought I would share his funny story about Neil Young.
>
> mike Marmer
>
>
> don't remember just what year it was, but here is an interesting story, since you mentioned him.
> I was standing behind our club layout at Trainfest talking to the public as usual. It was later in the afternoon. These two guys stroll up to the layout. One is in a long black coat, really long hair and has a huge cup of soda and a big container of popcorn. He is munching away and watching the trains. I take another good look and then say Hi. There was no doubt in my mind who it was, and when he started talking, it was not someone who happen to look like Neil Young but was Neil Young. We talked for five minutes or so. He indicated that he also had some S gauge trains. He then proceeded on to other displays.
> I'm not going to imply that most model railroaders are nerds. However I turned to my fellow Badgerland S Gaugers members and said: "Did you see that, it was Neil Young", to which the response was "Who's Neil Young? I later found out that he had a concert in Milwaukee that evening. He was probably just killing some time before the show. There are a lot of model railroaders that have no idea about the huge interest that Neil has in model trains, particularly Lionel.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67846 From: piccu56 Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Crosby, Stills Nash & Young....

Neil Young owner of Lionel Trains LLC...




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:
>
> Ok Mike, I'll bite. Who is Neil Young?
>
> Al Baker
> (maybe I live too far west to have heard of him...)
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I am doing some emails with someone who is not on these list, but he is a S gauger out in the Milwaukee area.
> >
> > Thought I would share his funny story about Neil Young.
> >
> > mike Marmer
> >
> >
> > don't remember just what year it was, but here is an interesting story, since you mentioned him.
> > I was standing behind our club layout at Trainfest talking to the public as usual. It was later in the afternoon. These two guys stroll up to the layout. One is in a long black coat, really long hair and has a huge cup of soda and a big container of popcorn. He is munching away and watching the trains. I take another good look and then say Hi. There was no doubt in my mind who it was, and when he started talking, it was not someone who happen to look like Neil Young but was Neil Young. We talked for five minutes or so. He indicated that he also had some S gauge trains. He then proceeded on to other displays.
> > I'm not going to imply that most model railroaders are nerds. However I turned to my fellow Badgerland S Gaugers members and said: "Did you see that, it was Neil Young", to which the response was "Who's Neil Young? I later found out that he had a concert in Milwaukee that evening. He was probably just killing some time before the show. There are a lot of model railroaders that have no idea about the huge interest that Neil has in model trains, particularly Lionel.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67847 From: David Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Do to the rising cost and anti-small business sentiment associated with
the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our EBAY STORE or at
least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point, do to EBAY'S ever
increasing fees and regulations, that in future our clients will be
paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web site at
www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> We have
the same items their and a whole lot more (more than 900 items) and,
except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you may still use PAY
PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can pay by check or
money order.
We are asking you to reply to this email with your thoughts on this move
as we always think about our clients well being NOT EBAY'S profits.
Thank you all for your continuing support.

"The Crew At LBR"
www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67848 From: R G Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
I do not like bidding on an item on e-bay and will not do so.  but I do order online from stores and companies,  So I see no problem with your action.  It is up to you and your business model.  You need to do what ever it takes to make a profit and keep your customers happy!



________________________________
From: David <reujan2000@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 8:50 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)


 
Do to the rising cost and anti-small business sentiment associated with
the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our EBAY STORE or at
least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point, do to EBAY'S ever
increasing fees and regulations, that in future our clients will be
paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web site at
www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> We have
the same items their and a whole lot more (more than 900 items) and,
except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you may still use PAY
PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can pay by check or
money order.
We are asking you to reply to this email with your thoughts on this move
as we always think about our clients well being NOT EBAY'S profits.
Thank you all for your continuing support.

"The Crew At LBR"
www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67849 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Also, solo career, as his LP Harvest was the LP of the year 1972.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwT1L-FSzEo&ob=av3n The main song from that LP as I am sure, Al, you have heard this on the radio before. O!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Ierl2AICo and a parody of Heart of Gold.

To keep this train related, Neil has been to many York’s and will talk to anyone about trains, except to Don Thompson. LOL Maybe Don will tell his Neil story.

Mike

From: piccu56
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:09 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Neil Young


Crosby, Stills Nash & Young....

Neil Young owner of Lionel Trains LLC...

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:
>
> Ok Mike, I'll bite. Who is Neil Young?
>
> Al Baker
> (maybe I live too far west to have heard of him...)
>
>
>
> --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I am doing some emails with someone who is not on these list, but he is a S gauger out in the Milwaukee area.
> >
> > Thought I would share his funny story about Neil Young.
> >
> > mike Marmer
> >
> >
> > don't remember just what year it was, but here is an interesting story, since you mentioned him.
> > I was standing behind our club layout at Trainfest talking to the public as usual. It was later in the afternoon. These two guys stroll up to the layout. One is in a long black coat, really long hair and has a huge cup of soda and a big container of popcorn. He is munching away and watching the trains. I take another good look and then say Hi. There was no doubt in my mind who it was, and when he started talking, it was not someone who happen to look like Neil Young but was Neil Young. We talked for five minutes or so. He indicated that he also had some S gauge trains. He then proceeded on to other displays.
> > I'm not going to imply that most model railroaders are nerds. However I turned to my fellow Badgerland S Gaugers members and said: "Did you see that, it was Neil Young", to which the response was "Who's Neil Young? I later found out that he had a concert in Milwaukee that evening. He was probably just killing some time before the show. There are a lot of model railroaders that have no idea about the huge interest that Neil has in model trains, particularly Lionel.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 67850 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Go for it. I hate ebay and only use rarely.

I prefer direct rather than giving money to 3rd parties.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 1/20/2012 8:50 AM, David wrote:
>
> Do to the rising cost and anti-small business sentiment associated with
> the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our EBAY STORE or at
> least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point, do to EBAY'S ever
> increasing fees and regulations, that in future our clients will be
> paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web site at
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> We have
> the same items their and a whole lot more (more than 900 items) and,
> except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you may still use PAY
> PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can pay by check or
> money order.
> We are asking you to reply to this email with your thoughts on this move
> as we always think about our clients well being NOT EBAY'S profits.
> Thank you all for your continuing support.
>
> "The Crew At LBR"
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67851 From: Al Baker Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Mike,
Thanks - yes I've heard that song. I do like music, but pay no attention to the people performing it. Celebrities come and go and live lives that I can't relate to, so I know very few by name. If that makes me a nerd, then then I'm ok with that (BTW, I am not offended).

Guess he can't be too bad if he owns a chunk of Lionel... I'm one of the few that have lucked-out with the Lionel pieces that I own.

Al




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Also, solo career, as his LP Harvest was the LP of the year 1972.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwT1L-FSzEo&ob=av3n The main song from that LP as I am sure, Al, you have heard this on the radio before. O!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Ierl2AICo and a parody of Heart of Gold.
>
> To keep this train related, Neil has been to many York’s and will talk to anyone about trains, except to Don Thompson. LOL Maybe Don will tell his Neil story.
>
> Mike
>
> From: piccu56
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:09 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Neil Young
>
>
> Crosby, Stills Nash & Young....
>
> Neil Young owner of Lionel Trains LLC...
>
> --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@> wrote:
> >
> > Ok Mike, I'll bite. Who is Neil Young?
> >
> > Al Baker
> > (maybe I live too far west to have heard of him...)
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I am doing some emails with someone who is not on these list, but he is a S gauger out in the Milwaukee area.
> > >
> > > Thought I would share his funny story about Neil Young.
> > >
> > > mike Marmer
> > >
> > >
> > > don't remember just what year it was, but here is an interesting story, since you mentioned him.
> > > I was standing behind our club layout at Trainfest talking to the public as usual. It was later in the afternoon. These two guys stroll up to the layout. One is in a long black coat, really long hair and has a huge cup of soda and a big container of popcorn. He is munching away and watching the trains. I take another good look and then say Hi. There was no doubt in my mind who it was, and when he started talking, it was not someone who happen to look like Neil Young but was Neil Young. We talked for five minutes or so. He indicated that he also had some S gauge trains. He then proceeded on to other displays.
> > > I'm not going to imply that most model railroaders are nerds. However I turned to my fellow Badgerland S Gaugers members and said: "Did you see that, it was Neil Young", to which the response was "Who's Neil Young? I later found out that he had a concert in Milwaukee that evening. He was probably just killing some time before the show. There are a lot of model railroaders that have no idea about the huge interest that Neil has in model trains, particularly Lionel.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67852 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: American Hirail
Tom Hodgson made these cars. His passenger cars are very nice additions
to the American Flyer heavyweights and lightweights.

Tom duplicated all of the AF Budd cars plus he added a baggage car and
offered an observation car with a dome. The observation dome could be used
for modeling the California Zephyr or similar trains. By adding this car
plus the other AF Budd cars, one could make a much nicer California Zephyr
train than the one offered by Flyonel a few years ago. That was a marketing
blunder by Flyonel. It probably made money but could have been much nicer
and had a broader appeal. The obvious goof was offering PAs decorated for
Western Pacific instead of Rio Grande. Another was failing to offer a domed
observation car. Another was lettering all the cars for Western Pacific
instead of a mix of cars to also include Rio Grande and Burlington. Think
of all the extra "add-on" cars that could have been offered as a follow-up
to the initial set. Flyonel did later offer a dining car (poorly done) to
add to this set. As far as I know, Tom Hodgson never offered a Budd dining
car. Back to the Flyonel set, I am also very critical of the graphics on
the California Zephyr set. The finish on the cars looks more like gray
than silver, and certainly a far cry from a stainless steel look. I think the
cars look awful. I have moved on to scale, but if I still operated AF Budd
trains, I might create a California Zephyr decorated with Alclad II paint
and do the lettering myself. It would include Tom Hodgson's domed
observation car.

Tom Hodgson's heavyweight cars are possibly better known because he
produced the car bodies for the S Fest set of cars offered back in the 1990s. In
addition to offering duplicates of the Combine, Pullman sleeper, and
Observation Sleeper, Tom offered several other matching car bodies (and floors)
of the same length. There were seven cars in all. I think the additional
cars were a diner, a coach, a baggage, and an RPO. One of the head-end
cars was recently offered on eBay and sold for about $400. This car appeared
to be nicely decorated in the dark red paint scheme (what is often
referred to as "tuscan" but is not). Another seller recently offered each car
from the S-Fest set for individual sale. They went for varying prices but
most were in the $70 range, maybe a little more.

A couple of weeks ago, a two unit RDC, or was it a gas-electric (?), was
offered on eBay.

Many years ago, I remember seeing Tom at a show and he also had shells for
both an E7 and E8 made to fit an American Flyer PA mechanism. I wish I
had bought a couple of the E7s and decorated for L&N. Of course the wheel
arrangement of the PA mechanism is incorrect for PAs, E7s, or E8s but I
imagine they would have looked very nice.

Tom Hodgson also produced the car bodies for the full length Budd coaches
marketed by Josh Seltzer. These are nice coaches made by stretching the AF
car bodies. They fit the floors for American Models smooth sided cars.
It would have been nice if these cars could have been offered with
observation, combine, and dining cars.

I may have overlooked some of Tom's products but these are the ones I
remember.

I talked with Tom a couple of years ago, maybe longer ago, and he was not
considering making more S products at that time. His stuff was nice and
filled a gap that Flyonel has only partially filled. And Tom would probably
not have made some of the goofs that Flyonel has made, like designing a
dining car with a passenger vestibule door (incorrect) but with no door at the
end of the kitchen.

It would be nice if Tom again started offering products for S scale. His
work was very nice.

- Earl Henry



In a message dated 1/19/2012 9:57:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
RGeorge942@... writes:




I've seen some very nice S gauge passenger cars on e-bay made by "American
Hirail". Does anyone have more information about these cars or the maker?






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Group: S-Trains Message: 67853 From: Dave Winslow Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
I love Ebay, tend to go their and to the Ebay stores 1st! I
look first at sold items to get an idea what it is worth,
then look at the current listings. If you miss one of what
you want, you must be patient, another will come along,
often at much less. I've had only a few issues, all resolved
ok between seller and myself. Its a friendly community IMO.


On 1/20/2012 10:14 AM, Carey Probst wrote:
> Go for it. I hate ebay and only use rarely.
>
> I prefer direct rather than giving money to 3rd parties.
>
> Carey
>
> Carey Probst
>
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
>
> S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
>
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
>
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>
>
> On 1/20/2012 8:50 AM, David wrote:
>>
>> Do to the rising cost and anti-small business sentiment associated with
>> the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our EBAY STORE or at
>> least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point, do to EBAY'S ever
>> increasing fees and regulations, that in future our clients will be
>> paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web site at
>> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> We have
>> the same items their and a whole lot more (more than 900 items) and,
>> except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you may still use PAY
>> PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can pay by check or
>> money order.
>> We are asking you to reply to this email with your thoughts on this move
>> as we always think about our clients well being NOT EBAY'S profits.
>> Thank you all for your continuing support.
>>
>> "The Crew At LBR"
>> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67854 From: EdSauers Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: B&O Caboose Decals
Group,

I am thinking about doing a small run of S-Scale B&O caboose decals if I can get sufficient demand. This set will decal any class B&O Caboose in any ERA from 1900 to about 1965 in the White lettering. This set will be produced by Kadee and the quality of their lettering is outstanding. These decals are quite difficult to see on the paper backing but are much more visible once in the water. I will include a PDF copy of the art-work to aide in locating the lettering on the sheet.

If Interested please contact me off-list at edsauers@... if interested.

Thanks

Ed Sauers
Group: S-Trains Message: 67855 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Hi Dave,

I've lived in Memphis, Atlanta and now Katy (Houston) since I rekindled my AF hobby. All of these are major cities with Houston being fourth largest in the USA and you can't find any AF other than the TCA meets which usually have a small amount of vintage AF. If not for eBay there would be basically no access to AF in the south. The hobby shops down here don't stock and will not order Flyonel due to no demand. Due to lack of supply down here I would say over 95% of my AF has been from eBay. The rest came from American Models, SHS and some members of this group. By way of you being on this group I have gotten some wheel traction bands from you. I know eBay fees are getting higher and higher but I think you would be missing a large part of the non-northeast market if you dropped eBay because we have little or no access to AF any other way. Your sales records should help you determine the demographics of your buyers, but I would suspect quite a few are outside the northeast and have found you on eBay.

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
> Do to the rising cost and anti-small business sentiment associated with
> the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our EBAY STORE or at
> least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point, do to EBAY'S ever
> increasing fees and regulations, that in future our clients will be
> paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web site at
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> We have
> the same items their and a whole lot more (more than 900 items) and,
> except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you may still use PAY
> PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can pay by check or
> money order.
> We are asking you to reply to this email with your thoughts on this move
> as we always think about our clients well being NOT EBAY'S profits.
> Thank you all for your continuing support.
>
> "The Crew At LBR"
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67856 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
IS there a web presence where "S" manufacturers & sellers can all be found
in one place. THAT may solve a lot of the "EBAY" issues. Would take work
on some ones part to establish & maintain it, the participants would need
to provide timely updates. Buyer would deal with the "seller" they choose.

MIGHT make the scale/gauges stronger as well. Let me know your opinion on
that idea.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67857 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Al,

You are welcome, as you are no nerd. O!

I think Neil personally made your AF items.

Just kidding.

Mike

From: Al Baker
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:58 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Neil Young


Mike,
Thanks - yes I've heard that song. I do like music, but pay no attention to the people performing it. Celebrities come and go and live lives that I can't relate to, so I know very few by name. If that makes me a nerd, then then I'm ok with that (BTW, I am not offended).

Guess he can't be too bad if he owns a chunk of Lionel... I'm one of the few that have lucked-out with the Lionel pieces that I own.

Al

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Also, solo career, as his LP Harvest was the LP of the year 1972.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwT1L-FSzEo&ob=av3n The main song from that LP as I am sure, Al, you have heard this on the radio before. O!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Ierl2AICo and a parody of Heart of Gold.
>
> To keep this train related, Neil has been to many York’s and will talk to anyone about trains, except to Don Thompson. LOL Maybe Don will tell his Neil story.
>
> Mike
>
> From: piccu56
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:09 AM
> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Neil Young
>
>
> Crosby, Stills Nash & Young....
>
> Neil Young owner of Lionel Trains LLC...
>
> --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@> wrote:
> >
> > Ok Mike, I'll bite. Who is Neil Young?
> >
> > Al Baker
> > (maybe I live too far west to have heard of him...)
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I am doing some emails with someone who is not on these list, but he is a S gauger out in the Milwaukee area.
> > >
> > > Thought I would share his funny story about Neil Young.
> > >
> > > mike Marmer
> > >
> > >
> > > don't remember just what year it was, but here is an interesting story, since you mentioned him.
> > > I was standing behind our club layout at Trainfest talking to the public as usual. It was later in the afternoon. These two guys stroll up to the layout. One is in a long black coat, really long hair and has a huge cup of soda and a big container of popcorn. He is munching away and watching the trains. I take another good look and then say Hi. There was no doubt in my mind who it was, and when he started talking, it was not someone who happen to look like Neil Young but was Neil Young. We talked for five minutes or so. He indicated that he also had some S gauge trains. He then proceeded on to other displays.
> > > I'm not going to imply that most model railroaders are nerds. However I turned to my fellow Badgerland S Gaugers members and said: "Did you see that, it was Neil Young", to which the response was "Who's Neil Young? I later found out that he had a concert in Milwaukee that evening. He was probably just killing some time before the show. There are a lot of model railroaders that have no idea about the huge interest that Neil has in model trains, particularly Lionel.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67858 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
David,

I live in DC and I have used Ebay to find trains I need for my collection that I would not find at a show.

Have you ever seen Rick Zeigler in the Houston area selling AF? He used to be at York, as he was a favorite seller of AF, but I have not seen at York in many years.

Mike

From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:12 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)


Hi Dave,

I've lived in Memphis, Atlanta and now Katy (Houston) since I rekindled my AF hobby. All of these are major cities with Houston being fourth largest in the USA and you can't find any AF other than the TCA meets which usually have a small amount of vintage AF. If not for eBay there would be basically no access to AF in the south. The hobby shops down here don't stock and will not order Flyonel due to no demand. Due to lack of supply down here I would say over 95% of my AF has been from eBay. The rest came from American Models, SHS and some members of this group. By way of you being on this group I have gotten some wheel traction bands from you. I know eBay fees are getting higher and higher but I think you would be missing a large part of the non-northeast market if you dropped eBay because we have little or no access to AF any other way. Your sales records should help you determine the demographics of your buyers, but I would suspect quite a few are outside the northeast and have found you on eBay.

David

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
> Do to the rising cost and anti-small business sentiment associated with
> the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our EBAY STORE or at
> least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point, do to EBAY'S ever
> increasing fees and regulations, that in future our clients will be
> paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web site at
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> We have
> the same items their and a whole lot more (more than 900 items) and,
> except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you may still use PAY
> PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can pay by check or
> money order.
> We are asking you to reply to this email with your thoughts on this move
> as we always think about our clients well being NOT EBAY'S profits.
> Thank you all for your continuing support.
>
> "The Crew At LBR"
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 67859 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
EBay is a wonderful place.

I have purchased many things on eBay, not just trains.

For those who don't want to sell on eBay, due to fees, you are missing out
on a market that is just on this list, as you need to cover your cost in
doing business with your sale price.

Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 67860 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Hi Jim,

Our Group founder is Paul Yorke. He has had such a site for longer than
this group has been in existence. The current location is:
http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/

Check it out.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida


On 1/20/2012 12:35 PM, WJJIM@... wrote:
> IS there a web presence where "S" manufacturers& sellers can all be found
> in one place. THAT may solve a lot of the "EBAY" issues. Would take work
> on some ones part to establish& maintain it, the participants would need
> to provide timely updates. Buyer would deal with the "seller" they choose.
>
> MIGHT make the scale/gauges stronger as well. Let me know your opinion on
> that idea.
>
> Jim Lyle
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67861 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
I found Paul's site back in Jan. (I think) of 2000,
boy, time sure flies!

Rick


On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Bill Porter wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Our Group founder is Paul Yorke. He has had such a site for longer than
> this group has been in existence. The current location is:
> http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/
>
> Check it out.
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
>
> On 1/20/2012 12:35 PM, WJJIM@... wrote:
> > IS there a web presence where "S" manufacturers& sellers can all be found
> > in one place. THAT may solve a lot of the "EBAY" issues. Would take work
> > on some ones part to establish& maintain it, the participants would need
> > to provide timely updates. Buyer would deal with the "seller" they choose.
> >
> > MIGHT make the scale/gauges stronger as well. Let me know your opinion on
> > that idea.
> >
> > Jim Lyle
> >
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67862 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Back then, it was not yahoo, but something called one list, I think.

Mike

From: Rick Evans
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:25 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)


I found Paul's site back in Jan. (I think) of 2000,
boy, time sure flies!

Rick

On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Bill Porter wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Our Group founder is Paul Yorke. He has had such a site for longer than
> this group has been in existence. The current location is:
> http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/
>
> Check it out.
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
>
> On 1/20/2012 12:35 PM, mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com wrote:
> > IS there a web presence where "S" manufacturers& sellers can all be found
> > in one place. THAT may solve a lot of the "EBAY" issues. Would take work
> > on some ones part to establish& maintain it, the participants would need
> > to provide timely updates. Buyer would deal with the "seller" they choose.
> >
> > MIGHT make the scale/gauges stronger as well. Let me know your opinion on
> > that idea.
> >
> > Jim Lyle
> >
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67863 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
LOL

Me it was November of 1999, as I just had back surgery and Linda had no idea I signed up for the list.

She was amazed at all the emails coming down about the Stock Yard and all the funny comments people had for someone who was having problems with the cows moving. It sort of made her laugh after a stressful day.

Check it out, about November 17, 1999 on the archives.

Mike

From: Rick Evans
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:25 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)


I found Paul's site back in Jan. (I think) of 2000,
boy, time sure flies!

Rick

On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Bill Porter wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Our Group founder is Paul Yorke. He has had such a site for longer than
> this group has been in existence. The current location is:
> http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/
>
> Check it out.
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
>
> On 1/20/2012 12:35 PM, mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com wrote:
> > IS there a web presence where "S" manufacturers& sellers can all be found
> > in one place. THAT may solve a lot of the "EBAY" issues. Would take work
> > on some ones part to establish& maintain it, the participants would need
> > to provide timely updates. Buyer would deal with the "seller" they choose.
> >
> > MIGHT make the scale/gauges stronger as well. Let me know your opinion on
> > that idea.
> >
> > Jim Lyle
> >
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67864 From: Dennis Back Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o) (Time Flies)
>>From: Rick Evans: I found Paul's site back in Jan. (I think) of 2000,

boy, time sure flies!

It sure does! My first saved email (still on file) was from Geo. Rhett (about loose tire and driver repair) in July, 1998 !!!

Dennis



--- On Fri, 1/20/12, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:


Rick



On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Bill Porter wrote:



> Hi Jim,

>

> Our Group founder is Paul Yorke. He has had such a site for longer than

> this group has been in existence. The current location is:

> http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/

>

> Check it out.

>

> Bill

>

> Bill Porter

> South Florida

>

> On 1/20/2012 12:35 PM, WJJIM@... wrote:

> > IS there a web presence where "S" manufacturers& sellers can all be found

> > in one place. THAT may solve a lot of the "EBAY" issues. Would take work

> > on some ones part to establish& maintain it, the participants would need

> > to provide timely updates. Buyer would deal with the "seller" they choose.

> >

> > MIGHT make the scale/gauges stronger as well. Let me know your opinion on

> > that idea.

> >

> > Jim Lyle

> >

>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67865 From: megannsheckler Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Showcase line S scale Conrail 4 car set and 2 extra cars for sale
We have for Sale a Showcase Line Complete S Scale Electric Train Set.
This has been used around the christmas tree one time but in excellent condition. I have been advised that The 4 car set originally sold for $299.95 and all of those items have been sold out for quite some time and that none of the sets now have track. The two TOFCs (trailer and flat car) originally sold for $59.95 each also in excellent condition.

The set is:
#00458 Conrail 4 car set
#00112 Conrail SW-9 diesel switcher
#00088 Conrail 2 bay covered Hopper
#00141 Rutland wooden boxcar
#00130 NYC Rebilt 40' steel boxcar
#00229 Conrail Extended vision caboose

Also
The Showcase Line
#00182 TOFC Pennsylvania #2 w/PRR trailer
#00303-8 TOFC CP with speedway trailer

We are asking $370.00 for all this includes shipping.
If anyone is interested in pictures please contact us at:
megannsheckler@...

Thank you
Megann
Group: S-Trains Message: 67866 From: jshannon148 Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
How or where does one find or seach for sold items? I went to E-bay after reading this post and could not find that option.

Thanks, John Shannon
Pittsburgh, PA

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote:
>
> I love Ebay, tend to go their and to the Ebay stores 1st! I
> look first at sold items to get an idea what it is worth,
> then look at the current listings. If you miss one of what
> you want, you must be patient, another will come along,
> often at much less. I've had only a few issues, all resolved
> ok between seller and myself. Its a friendly community IMO.
>
>
> On 1/20/2012 10:14 AM, Carey Probst wrote:
> > Go for it. I hate ebay and only use rarely.
> >
> > I prefer direct rather than giving money to 3rd parties.
> >
> > Carey
> >
> > Carey Probst
> >
> > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
> >
> > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
> >
> > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
> >
> > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
> >
> >
> > On 1/20/2012 8:50 AM, David wrote:
> >>
> >> Do to the rising cost and anti-small business sentiment associated with
> >> the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our EBAY STORE or at
> >> least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point, do to EBAY'S ever
> >> increasing fees and regulations, that in future our clients will be
> >> paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web site at
> >> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> We have
> >> the same items their and a whole lot more (more than 900 items) and,
> >> except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you may still use PAY
> >> PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can pay by check or
> >> money order.
> >> We are asking you to reply to this email with your thoughts on this move
> >> as we always think about our clients well being NOT EBAY'S profits.
> >> Thank you all for your continuing support.
> >>
> >> "The Crew At LBR"
> >> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Enjoy thousands of great photos
> > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67867 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Hello friends,

Mike Marmer and my fellow train club member and Oregonian, Al Baker, have been discussing Neil Young recently, so I thought I would toss in my two cents. Unlike Al, I was very familiar with Neil as a singer before I ever read that he was a toy train enthusiast along with his son. When the subject came up on the Yahoo! Toy Trains list last spring, I related the story of my experience with Neil and will recap it here to the S gauge community. After all, they are all toy trains regardless of the number of rails on the track.

The only time I ever had personal contact with Neil Young was at the 1999 TCA Convention in Burlingame, CA. As any of you who may have attended that convention may recall, Neil was often in the big white tent just outside the trading hall with his very interesting, somewhat surreal, portable layout. The artistry of the layout scenery particularly fascinated my wife and me. We chatted with him briefly about the artistry involved in the creation of the display. Not your typical Lionel product train show display.

His layout also had an onboard color camera system tied into a closed circuit TV channel in the convention hotel. Anyone staying at the hotel could see the view from the camera on the TV in their rooms as the trains travelled around the display and with the occasional glimpse of Neil and other observers caught along the edge of the layout. I believe the action was being displayed on the TVs in real time, but I am not sure of that. This was before I had ever heard of "flip video" or "YouTube".

Although my primary collecting interest is Gilbert AF, I always hoped to catch Neil at another TCA convention or at least see the portable video layout again. Unfortunately, the 1999 convention was the only time for either for me. If a tape or DVD of any part of that video and display exists, I would love to see it!

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67868 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Yep, Pre-Yahoo�..


Rick


On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:

> Back then, it was not yahoo, but something called one list, I think.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Rick Evans
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:25 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
>
> I found Paul's site back in Jan. (I think) of 2000,
> boy, time sure flies!
>
> Rick
>
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Bill Porter wrote:
>
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > Our Group founder is Paul Yorke. He has had such a site for longer than
> > this group has been in existence. The current location is:
> > http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/
> >
> > Check it out.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > Bill Porter
> > South Florida
> >
> > On 1/20/2012 12:35 PM, mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com wrote:
> > > IS there a web presence where "S" manufacturers& sellers can all be found
> > > in one place. THAT may solve a lot of the "EBAY" issues. Would take work
> > > on some ones part to establish& maintain it, the participants would need
> > > to provide timely updates. Buyer would deal with the "seller" they choose.
> > >
> > > MIGHT make the scale/gauges stronger as well. Let me know your opinion on
> > > that idea.
> > >
> > > Jim Lyle
> > >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67869 From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
When you search in ebay, click on advanced search option, and select
"completed auctions"
Doug
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
On Fri 01/20/12 3:32 PM , "jshannon148" jshannon148@... sent:
How or where does one find or seach for sold items? I went to E-bay
after reading this post and could not find that option.
Thanks, John Shannon
Pittsburgh, PA
--- In , Dave Winslow wrote:
>
> I love Ebay, tend to go their and to the Ebay stores 1st! I
> look first at sold items to get an idea what it is worth,
> then look at the current listings. If you miss one of what
> you want, you must be patient, another will come along,
> often at much less. I've had only a few issues, all resolved
> ok between seller and myself. Its a friendly community IMO.
>
>
> On 1/20/2012 10:14 AM, Carey Probst wrote:
> > Go for it. I hate ebay and only use rarely.
> >
> > I prefer direct rather than giving money to 3rd parties.
> >
> > Carey
> >
> > Carey Probst
> >
> > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
> >
> > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
> >
> > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a
free State,
> >
> > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed.
> >
> >
> > On 1/20/2012 8:50 AM, David wrote:
> >>
> >> Do to the rising cost and anti-small business sentiment
associated with
> >> the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our EBAY STORE
or at
> >> least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point, do to
EBAY'S ever
> >> increasing fees and regulations, that in future our clients
will be
> >> paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web site at
> >> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com We have
> >> the same items their and a whole lot more (more than 900 items)
and,
> >> except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you may still
use PAY
> >> PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can pay by
check or
> >> money order.
> >> We are asking you to reply to this email with your thoughts on
this move
> >> as we always think about our clients well being NOT EBAY'S
profits.
> >> Thank you all for your continuing support.
> >>
> >> "The Crew At LBR"
> >> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Enjoy thousands of great photos
> > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo [4]! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>



Links:
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[2] http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/
[3] http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/
[4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo
[6]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvYzYwczRnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Nzg2NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjcwOTI0MzI-?act=reply&messageNum=67866
[7]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67847;_ylc=X3oDMTM0bGZycWlvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Nzg2NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjcwOTI0MzIEdHBjSWQDNjc4NDc-
[8] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67870 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Hi John,
� There isn't an ebay list of items sold.  You can create your own list.  Do a view of active items that are selling.  If you see an item which interests you sand you want to see the final selling price, put it on your watch list or if you bid on the item and someone outbids you you will see the final price at the end of the auction. You must have a ebay account to do this.
� Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: jshannon148 <jshannon148@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:32 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)


 
How or where does one find or seach for sold items? I went to E-bay after reading this post and could not find that option.

Thanks, John Shannon
Pittsburgh, PA

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote:
>
> I love Ebay, tend to go their and to the Ebay stores 1st! I
> look first at sold items to get an idea what it is worth,
> then look at the current listings. If you miss one of what
> you want, you must be patient, another will come along,
> often at much less. I've had only a few issues, all resolved
> ok between seller and myself. Its a friendly community IMO.
>
>
> On 1/20/2012 10:14 AM, Carey Probst wrote:
> > Go for it. I hate ebay and only use rarely.
> >
> > I prefer direct rather than giving money to 3rd parties.
> >
> > Carey
> >
> > Carey Probst
> >
> > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
> >
> > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
> >
> > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
> >
> > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
> >
> >
> > On 1/20/2012 8:50 AM, David wrote:
> >>
> >> Do to the rising cost and anti-small business sentiment associated with
> >> the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our EBAY STORE or at
> >> least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point, do to EBAY'S ever
> >> increasing fees and regulations, that in future our clients will be
> >> paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web site at
> >> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> We have
> >> the same items their and a whole lot more (more than 900 items) and,
> >> except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you may still use PAY
> >> PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can pay by check or
> >> money order.
> >> We are asking you to reply to this email with your thoughts on this move
> >> as we always think about our clients well being NOT EBAY'S profits.
> >> Thank you all for your continuing support.
> >>
> >> "The Crew At LBR"
> >> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Enjoy thousands of great photos
> > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67871 From: Mark Speichert Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Hello John ,if you go to the left side of the ebay page you will see a listing
for completed items a click on that and it will show you everything that has
sold or not sold for the past three weeks. Mark




________________________________
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, January 20, 2012 3:09:40 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)

 
Hi John,
  There isn't an ebay list of items sold.  You can create your own list.  Do a
view of active items that are selling.  If you see an item which interests you
sand you want to see the final selling price, put it on your watch list or if
you bid on the item and someone outbids you you will see the final price at the
end of the auction. You must have a ebay account to do this.
  Tom Seccia

________________________________
From: jshannon148 <jshannon148@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:32 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)


 
How or where does one find or seach for sold items? I went to E-bay after
reading this post and could not find that option.

Thanks, John Shannon
Pittsburgh, PA

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote:
>
> I love Ebay, tend to go their and to the Ebay stores 1st! I
> look first at sold items to get an idea what it is worth,
> then look at the current listings. If you miss one of what
> you want, you must be patient, another will come along,
> often at much less. I've had only a few issues, all resolved
> ok between seller and myself. Its a friendly community IMO.
>
>
> On 1/20/2012 10:14 AM, Carey Probst wrote:
> > Go for it. I hate ebay and only use rarely.
> >
> > I prefer direct rather than giving money to 3rd parties.
> >
> > Carey
> >
> > Carey Probst
> >
> > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
> >
> > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
> >
> > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
> >
> > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
> >
> >
> > On 1/20/2012 8:50 AM, David wrote:
> >>
> >> Do to the rising cost and anti-small business sentiment associated with
> >> the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our EBAY STORE or at
> >> least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point, do to EBAY'S ever
> >> increasing fees and regulations, that in future our clients will be
> >> paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web site at
> >> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> We have
> >> the same items their and a whole lot more (more than 900 items) and,
> >> except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you may still use PAY
> >> PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can pay by check or
> >> money order.
> >> We are asking you to reply to this email with your thoughts on this move
> >> as we always think about our clients well being NOT EBAY'S profits.
> >> Thank you all for your continuing support.
> >>
> >> "The Crew At LBR"
> >> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Enjoy thousands of great photos
> > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67872 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Tom,

As Doug pointed out, when you perform a search in eBay you have the option to view completed auctions by clicking on the advanced search option and checking the "completed auctions" box. This is what a lot of pawn shops do to get a basis for making loans or buying random items. They act like they know the market price for everything but they usually have an employee in the back on eBay checking values.

BG1



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>   There isn't an ebay list of items sold.  You can create your own list.  Do a view of active items that are selling.  If you see an item which interests you sand you want to see the final selling price, put it on your watch list or if you bid on the item and someone outbids you you will see the final price at the end of the auction. You must have a ebay account to do this.
>   Tom Seccia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: jshannon148 <jshannon148@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:32 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
>
>
>  
> How or where does one find or seach for sold items? I went to E-bay after reading this post and could not find that option.
>
> Thanks, John Shannon
> Pittsburgh, PA
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave Winslow <davidwin@> wrote:
> >
> > I love Ebay, tend to go their and to the Ebay stores 1st! I
> > look first at sold items to get an idea what it is worth,
> > then look at the current listings. If you miss one of what
> > you want, you must be patient, another will come along,
> > often at much less. I've had only a few issues, all resolved
> > ok between seller and myself. Its a friendly community IMO.
> >
> >
> > On 1/20/2012 10:14 AM, Carey Probst wrote:
> > > Go for it. I hate ebay and only use rarely.
> > >
> > > I prefer direct rather than giving money to 3rd parties.
> > >
> > > Carey
> > >
> > > Carey Probst
> > >
> > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
> > >
> > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
> > >
> > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
> > >
> > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/20/2012 8:50 AM, David wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Do to the rising cost and anti-small business sentiment associated with
> > >> the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our EBAY STORE or at
> > >> least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point, do to EBAY'S ever
> > >> increasing fees and regulations, that in future our clients will be
> > >> paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web site at
> > >> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> We have
> > >> the same items their and a whole lot more (more than 900 items) and,
> > >> except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you may still use PAY
> > >> PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can pay by check or
> > >> money order.
> > >> We are asking you to reply to this email with your thoughts on this move
> > >> as we always think about our clients well being NOT EBAY'S profits.
> > >> Thank you all for your continuing support.
> > >>
> > >> "The Crew At LBR"
> > >> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>
> > >>
> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Enjoy thousands of great photos
> > > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67873 From: Rich Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Dave -- unlike some others on this list, I have found eBay to be a good place to find Flyer stuff and have purchased a number of items from eBay. As usual, 'caveat emptor' applies (of course, not just to eBay) and I've only felt 'let down' by one purchase. In that case, it was my fault for not studying the not-very-good photos and getting too excited by the low price. On the other hand, I've scored some tremendous rolling stock and engines for not very much money.

As David (bull-gator) said earlier, the problem for many of us outside of the Northeast and Midwest (to Chicago, anyway) is that Flyer stuff is less available locally. I've been to some of the local train shows (SF Bay Area) and pick'ins can be pretty slim.

Since I am not a seller, I don't know what the pitfalls are in selling stuff on eBay nor how those costs compare with the cost of doing business in other ways (website, direct mail, brick'n mortar...). In terms of the shipping and handling issue - I figure that into whether an item is attractive enough for me to bid on it. Indeed, I've had some items shipped to me that only arrived in one piece because the USPS was careful (or lucky) not because the seller had done a very good packing job.

I only know of your enterprise through two venues - your postings on this group and the materials you offer on eBay. Maybe the eBay postings become 'loss leaders'?.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
> Do to the rising cost and anti-small business sentiment associated with
> the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our EBAY STORE or at
> least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point, do to EBAY'S ever
> increasing fees and regulations, that in future our clients will be
> paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web site at
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> We have
> the same items their and a whole lot more (more than 900 items) and,
> except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you may still use PAY
> PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can pay by check or
> money order.
> We are asking you to reply to this email with your thoughts on this move
> as we always think about our clients well being NOT EBAY'S profits.
> Thank you all for your continuing support.
>
> "The Crew At LBR"
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67874 From: Donald Abrams Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: More ebay craziness
I've seen these go for maybe $75 in the past.
Are the box and instructions worth $150?
I got one at a swap meet a year ago for $15.
Go figure!
Don Abrams
Group: S-Trains Message: 67875 From: Donald Abrams Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Missing link for previous post
Group: S-Trains Message: 67876 From: Lamont Heppe Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Neil used to show up regularly at the TCA York meets. The tip off that he was there was the old Buffalo Springfield tour bus parked next to one of the livestock buildings. He was usually at the Lionel tent.

I understand that Neil was instrumental in helping Lionel develop TMMC.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67877 From: Brady Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Free Aircraft Models
The B-17 is available now, along with the P-40

Brady Burdge


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote:
>
> With the upcoming mvie Red Tails, Fiddlers Green is offering free cardstock models of planes in the movie
>
> http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/
>
> Right now they have the ME109 and 262 avalable, and the B-17 is supposed to be the next offering. The sites pages are a little busy, so you have to hunt a little for the "free" links.
>
>
> Brady
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67878 From: Dave Winslow Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Its under advanced search, "Completed Items". Its a great
way to get a price estimate on anything. Often you find
items that high starting prices or reserve so that they
never sold. This lets you know what price is for sure over
the top. Good luck Dave W.

On 1/20/2012 3:32 PM, jshannon148 wrote:
> How or where does one find or seach for sold items? I went
> to E-bay after reading this post and could not find that option.
>
> Thanks, John Shannon
> Pittsburgh, PA
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, Dave Winslow
> <davidwin@...> wrote:
> >
> > I love Ebay, tend to go their and to the Ebay stores 1st! I
> > look first at sold items to get an idea what it is worth,
> > then look at the current listings. If you miss one of what
> > you want, you must be patient, another will come along,
> > often at much less. I've had only a few issues, all resolved
> > ok between seller and myself. Its a friendly community IMO.
> >
> >
> > On 1/20/2012 10:14 AM, Carey Probst wrote:
> > > Go for it. I hate ebay and only use rarely.
> > >
> > > I prefer direct rather than giving money to 3rd parties.
> > >
> > > Carey
> > >
> > > Carey Probst
> > >
> > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
> > >
> > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
> > >
> > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the
> security of a free State,
> > >
> > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not
> be infringed.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/20/2012 8:50 AM, David wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Do to the rising cost and anti-small business
> sentiment associated with
> > >> the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our
> EBAY STORE or at
> > >> least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point,
> do to EBAY'S ever
> > >> increasing fees and regulations, that in future our
> clients will be
> > >> paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web
> site at
> > >>
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>
> We have
> > >> the same items their and a whole lot more (more than
> 900 items) and,
> > >> except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you
> may still use PAY
> > >> PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can
> pay by check or
> > >> money order.
> > >> We are asking you to reply to this email with your
> thoughts on this move
> > >> as we always think about our clients well being NOT
> EBAY'S profits.
> > >> Thank you all for your continuing support.
> > >>
> > >> "The Crew At LBR"
> > >>
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>
> > >>
> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Enjoy thousands of great photos
> > > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67879 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: More ebay craziness
More what? What are you talking about please? What is the eBay link or number or
have you tried to attach a picture? Thank you. Alistair

On Sat 21/01/12 2:14 PM , Donald Abrams donabrams@... sent:
> I've seen these go for maybe $75 in the past.
> Are the box and instructions worth $150?
> I got one at a swap meet a year ago for $15.
> Go figure!
> Don Abrams
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67880 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Lucky Cat
My wife has been getting this page a day cat colander for about 30 years and we get it on line too the daily cat.

This weekend cats are Lucky Cats due to the Chinese New Year.

This reminds me of the table at York with the lucky cat on the table!

Or Emerson Lake and Palmer Lucky Man song

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67881 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Missing link for previous post
yes, you do see thing like this on eBay every once in awhile, but we are educated and most likely it wont sell. But, good for the seller if someone buys it.

This is no worse than going into a antique store, as I have seen this, where the place has a 302 engine for 150.00. I have seen this once at a place in Hagerstown MD, Beaver Creek Antiques. But I was smart enough to walk away.

If eBay does not work for one, it works for many, like me. I have gotten some pretty nice AF on eBay.

Like anything else in life, you have some bad apples, sellers, but most are decent people.

I did not follow Dave’s reasons for not doing eBay anymore, as he will be missing a huge market not on these list, but I can understand that selling decals is a low ticket item and fees can really make it not worth for him to do this. but I have seen some really nice cars he painted and decaled from him on eBay, that I almost bided on, but did not since I really do not need them for the collection nor the layout. Not sure other then these sites, how else he markets his products. I will say that I have gotten decals from Dave, custom ones too, as he does nice work and the custom decals where very reasonable.

Mike

From: Donald Abrams
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:45 PM
To: S-Trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Missing link for previous post


Sorry about that!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-710-Slide-Lever-Whistle-Control-Original-Box-LN-/220934445141?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3370b81855#ht_3996wt_1398
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-710-Slide-Lever-Whistle-Control-Original-Box-LN-/220934445141?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3370b81855#ht_3996wt_1398>

It's a 710 Steam whistle controller.

Don Abrams

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67882 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Sadly Neil is no longer in the TCA as I confirmed this with Ron Morris at the TCA.

yes, seeing his bus was neat, as the 2 car tops are Buicks.

The one time Neil has driven that bus he wreck it with a lot of damage. It was fixed so he does not drive it.

I never had a chance to see Neil, as I was a fan of Neil’s music before I got into trains and had no idea that he was into trains like most of us who know of him.

I am told he will talk just about to anyone about trains, but he can be very moody at times.

There is a biography on Neil called Shakey, as Shakey is his fake name, Shakey Bernard. In the book it does go into great detail on his development of train things, as I thing he did something with sounds, as he hooked up with a company called QSI, I think that is the company before leaving them for Lionel. It must have been interesting to see people reading his book due to music and then they come across the very detail stuff on his train doings.

It also talks about him making his layout, which is neat to read, as he is very dedicated to his layout.

mike

From: Lamont Heppe
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:56 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Neil Young


Neil used to show up regularly at the TCA York meets. The tip off that he was there was the old Buffalo Springfield tour bus parked next to one of the livestock buildings. He was usually at the Lionel tent.

I understand that Neil was instrumental in helping Lionel develop TMMC.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67883 From: doerryn Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
I suggest you keep selling a few items on EBay as a form of advertisement to get new customers. A good feedback score on EBay is one indicator that your online business is reputable. Its hard to judge whether a website is trustworthy enough for me to send money to without some way of determining if the sellers are honest and trustworthy. Once I've found someone I can trust, that trust has value and I'm willing to pay a small premium to those I trust (of course the lowest prices and trustworthiness together is a great combination that will capture me as a repeat customer). I think that if you abandon EBay, you will continue to sell to your existing customer base (They know you are reputable) but you will have to work harder in other ways to get new customers.

Have a great day,

Norbert



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
> Do to the rising cost and anti-small business sentiment associated with
> the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our EBAY STORE or at
> least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point, do to EBAY'S ever
> increasing fees and regulations, that in future our clients will be
> paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web site at
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> We have
> the same items their and a whole lot more (more than 900 items) and,
> except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you may still use PAY
> PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can pay by check or
> money order.
> We are asking you to reply to this email with your thoughts on this move
> as we always think about our clients well being NOT EBAY'S profits.
> Thank you all for your continuing support.
>
> "The Crew At LBR"
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67884 From: flyerguy63 Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: AF Track trip
Hi

Does anyone make a reproduction track trip for American flyer track ? I recently addes LED lights to a plasticvill signal bridge and I'm trying to make them work with micro switches but I can't position them close enough to the rails. Any Ideas ?

Mark
South NJ flyer fan
Group: S-Trains Message: 67885 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Lucky Cat
Dear Mike,
Lucky Cats due to Chinese New Year? Are you kidding me. All of my trips to China, I have never even seen a cat. I did hear that they taste like chicken...
Don

On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:

> My wife has been getting this page a day cat colander for about 30 years and we get it on line too the daily cat.
>
> This weekend cats are Lucky Cats due to the Chinese New Year.
>
> This reminds me of the table at York with the lucky cat on the table!
>
> Or Emerson Lake and Palmer Lucky Man song
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: S-Trains Message: 67886 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Neil Young
Neil was with Buffalo Springfield before joining Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young. He later formed his own group Crazy Horse with songs as Down by the River and Heart of Gold. When Richard Kuhn owned Lionel he and Neil developed a control for Lionel trains. I believe it was TMMC.  Kuhn sold the business to Well Springs. A company which Neil is a major stock holder. Well Springs, I believe is the current owner of Lionel LLC.
� Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: Lamont Heppe <monteheppe@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:56 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Neil Young


 
Neil used to show up regularly at the TCA York meets. The tip off that he was there was the old Buffalo Springfield tour bus parked next to one of the livestock buildings. He was usually at the Lionel tent.

I understand that Neil was instrumental in helping Lionel develop TMMC.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67887 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/22/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes.
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Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67888 From: megannsheckler Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: SOLD... Showcase line S scale Conrail 4 car set and 2 extra cars fo
Thank you to eveyone that replied..We were able to sell to the first person that contacted us..Our son is in college and dosen't have any time for his trains. He said perhaps when he has a son of his own he will get back into them..He needed the money more..

Thank you again.
Megann
Group: S-Trains Message: 67889 From: Frank Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Lucky Cat
Don, maybe that's why you don't see cats. Humm, maybe cat it is called chicken, LOL?
Frank

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 21, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:

> Dear Mike,
> Lucky Cats due to Chinese New Year? Are you kidding me. All of my trips to China, I have never even seen a cat. I did hear that they taste like chicken...
> Don
>
> On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> > My wife has been getting this page a day cat colander for about 30 years and we get it on line too the daily cat.
> >
> > This weekend cats are Lucky Cats due to the Chinese New Year.
> >
> > This reminds me of the table at York with the lucky cat on the table!
> >
> > Or Emerson Lake and Palmer Lucky Man song
> >
> > Mike Marmer
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67890 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Myself �� I love eBay!
And not just for trains.

Rick Evans


On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:

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> EBay is a wonderful place.
>
> I have purchased many things on eBay, not just trains.
>
> For those who don't want to sell on eBay, due to fees, you are missing out
> on a market that is just on this list, as you need to cover your cost in
> doing business with your sale price.
>
> Mike Marmer
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67891 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>From: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas

Roy and anyone else,

Have you read through the manual yet. You may find out that if you remove the tender body you WILL find a provision for a 9 volt battery. Get one and plug it in. You might be suprised that gouing around curved you will no loosepower.I talked toone of my club members that has oneand that is what he told me. As far as the taut wire goes just look at the loop of fire and add some slackto it while you add the battery. This should clear up alot of problems.For our train show this wekend in Plano Texas we intigratedhis legasy control into our layout, and from firsthand experence his ran flawlessy on our highrail track standard track.
Thanks,
Alan
> Bob,
>
> With that information, sounds as if all Challenger owners need to take a
> look and perhaps do some preventative maintenance.
>
> Roy
>
>
>
> From: rj4010d <bjg@...>
> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:17:36 +0000
> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Challenger Problem
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>
> I had the front motor stop also.Lionel ( China) has used a VERY NON FLEXABLE
> wire in these engines & the wire to the motors has to flex.Mine had NO slak
> in the wire to left front motor & it broke off at the motor inside the
> shrink wrap.Pulled a little slak from harness & resoldered.
> Good luck.
> Bob Guckian
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , R G
> <keyhole_corona@> wrote:
> >
> > Had the same exact problem with one of  my Challengers. I took it to my
> authorized Lionel repair shop but got it back without the problem being
> solved.  I have two challengers the one with the problem had no slack in the
> wires leading to the IR sensor.  I opened up the locomotive which was easy and
> traced the IR sensor wires into a bundle of wires. I gently pulled out of the
> bundle the wires leading to the IR sensor to give it a lot more slack. Put it
> back together and the sound has worked fine.  Now it is going back to the
> repair shop because the front motor stopped running last night.  Less than
> seven hours of run time on the locomotive. Since it is under warrenty Lionel is
> going to have to pay for the costs to fixed it. 
> >
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> > ________________________________
> > From: fnmichong <fnmichong@>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:46 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Challenger Problem
> >
> >
> >  
> > I have a Lionel/AF 4-6-6-4 that stops chuffing when going around a curve
> (Gilbert track). Chuffing resumes on the straight. I suspect the chuff sensor
> has a problem. Anybody know where that is located? Other data: tender is ok
> (swapped tenders), IR coupler is ok (whistle works even when chuffing stops),
> chuffing is ok backing up.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67892 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Lucky Cat
Hi Don,

I saw a live cat in a silk shop in Hangzhou China. It was sitting in the shop door watching the crowd walk by. It wasn't skittish at all. But that's the only live one I've seen there.

I have a Chinese engineer who works for me and he usually accompanies me to China. When I can't distinquish what's being served during a meal I ask him if I would consider it a pet before trying it - lol.

David


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Mike,
> Lucky Cats due to Chinese New Year? Are you kidding me. All of my trips to China, I have never even seen a cat. I did hear that they taste like chicken...
> Don
>
> On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
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> > My wife has been getting this page a day cat colander for about 30 years and we get it on line too the daily cat.
> >
> > This weekend cats are Lucky Cats due to the Chinese New Year.
> >
> > This reminds me of the table at York with the lucky cat on the table!
> >
> > Or Emerson Lake and Palmer Lucky Man song
> >
> > Mike Marmer
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67893 From: Don Thompson Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Re: Lucky Cat
Dear Frank,
Then again, most of the time in Hong Kong and China, the cooked critters are served heads intact...and I never saw any kitty heads...
Don

On Jan 21, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Frank wrote:

> Don, maybe that's why you don't see cats. Humm, maybe cat it is called chicken, LOL?
> Frank
>
> Sent from my iPhone


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67894 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Hi Harwood,
� If you get a chance take a look at item #140682971676 on ebay.  It looks like a pre war 591, but it is obviously a post war gate with the prewar plastic gate glued on. It also has a 696 track trip with it.  It's up to a $121.00. Let me know your opinion.
Thank You,
� Tom Seccia



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From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing?


 
Tom, see item # 220906008762 on ebay

-----Original Message-----
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing?

Hi Harwood,
� The 1947 is very rare. It was never in full production. In some books, I've seen this locomotives listed as NRS. There are no AC Northerns until 1951. There were no 332 AC units in 1948, 1949 or 1950. 1950 productions were 334DC. Are you telling me a 1947 332 Smoke in Tender Northern is not worth at least $3,000. The original question was "What am I missing" why is a ebay listing worth 10 times what it usually sells. Do you want to split hairs very rare or uncommon.
� Tom

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From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing?

And Tom, I would'nt call them "Very Rare" either. I would just say that they are very uncommon.

Harwood

-----Original Message-----
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 10:44 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing?

Hi Al,
The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely went between $3,000 and $8,000.
� Tom Seccia

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From: Alfred <areibel@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing?

I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special?
Thanks,
Al Reibel

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67895 From: rj4010d Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: 583-A magnetic crane button
Where can I find a wiring diagram ( I have the button with no wires )for the two button controler? I've looked at Tom's book & the Aerutect book.
Thanks in advance !
Bob Guckian
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67897 From: Rich Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
Mark -- I don't know whether there are repro track trips available, but you might take a look at some electronic alternatives (which should be more reliable). Lionel markets an IR-based 'train sensor' that I believe can be used to control lights etc., but its kinda expensive if you need multiples. I'm trying to figure out what I want to use and have been looking at several alternatives, but haven't fired up the soldering iron yet - all of the below presuppose you are moderately handy with putting some electronic components together.

Rob Paisley has a lot of circuits at: http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/CircuitIndex.html

Mark Rollins as a few at: http://www.mrollins.com/rail.html

Yorke's S-train web has a reproduction of Tom Barker's electromechanical current sensing method: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/trip.htm

Finally, one of the frequenters of this site, 'Norbert' has some control circuits posted at: http://doerry.org/norbert/index.htm

the advantage of several of these circuits - especially the ones using IR or ambient light detection - is that they are 'stand-off' - meaning there is no interaction with the train other than interrupting the light beam. They also can be used to control DC relays, which can be used in a number of ways - not only to control signal lights but to actually control power to track sections, etc.

I'm hoping that others (Norbert?) will weigh in on this, as I'd like some thoughts on what has worked for others.

Lastly, there are some kitmakers out there - allelectronics - to name but one. I think Radio Shack had some sort of light sensing kit, but I don't find it on-line.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "flyerguy63" <flyerguy63@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Does anyone make a reproduction track trip for American flyer track ? I recently addes LED lights to a plasticvill signal bridge and I'm trying to make them work with micro switches but I can't position them close enough to the rails. Any Ideas ?
>
> Mark
> South NJ flyer fan
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67898 From: Rich Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: 583-A magnetic crane button
Bob - the K-line book doesn't show the underside of the two-button controller, but the wiring diagram shows two wires going from the transformer to the controller - one from the base post and one from the fixed voltage post. In the diagram there are three wires from the controller to the 583-A crane.

I assume one of these is the base post wire (typically black) and that the other two are the wires that control the direction of rotation, triggered by which button is pushed (thus completing the circuit with the fixed voltage feed). If you have a continuity meter, you should be able to determine which tabs on the underside of the button controller are connected when the different buttons are pushed.

- Rich

BTW - I just finished a 'kit-bash' of a 583 crane - replacing the AC motor with two small DC motors that allow the raising and lowering of the hook/electromagnet and the rotation to operate independently. I'll post some pictures on this site ...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rj4010d" <bjg@...> wrote:
>
> Where can I find a wiring diagram ( I have the button with no wires )for the two button controler? I've looked at Tom's book & the Aerutect book.
> Thanks in advance !
> Bob Guckian
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67899 From: Timboy Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rich" <richs009@...> wrote:
>
> Mark -- I don't know whether there are repro track trips available, but you might take a look at some electronic alternatives (which should be more reliable). Lionel markets an IR-based 'train sensor' that I believe can be used to control lights etc., but its kinda expensive if you need multiples. I'm trying to figure out what I want to use and have been looking at several alternatives, but haven't fired up the soldering iron yet - all of the below presuppose you are moderately handy with putting some electronic components together.
>
> Rob Paisley has a lot of circuits at: http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/CircuitIndex.html
>
> Mark Rollins as a few at: http://www.mrollins.com/rail.html
>
> Yorke's S-train web has a reproduction of Tom Barker's electromechanical current sensing method: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/trip.htm
>
> Finally, one of the frequenters of this site, 'Norbert' has some control circuits posted at: http://doerry.org/norbert/index.htm
>
> the advantage of several of these circuits - especially the ones using IR or ambient light detection - is that they are 'stand-off' - meaning there is no interaction with the train other than interrupting the light beam. They also can be used to control DC relays, which can be used in a number of ways - not only to control signal lights but to actually control power to track sections, etc.
>
> I'm hoping that others (Norbert?) will weigh in on this, as I'd like some thoughts on what has worked for others.
>
> Lastly, there are some kitmakers out there - allelectronics - to name but one. I think Radio Shack had some sort of light sensing kit, but I don't find it on-line.
>
> - Rich
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "flyerguy63" <flyerguy63@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Does anyone make a reproduction track trip for American flyer track ? I recently addes LED lights to a plasticvill signal bridge and I'm trying to make them work with micro switches but I can't position them close enough to the rails. Any Ideas ?
> >
> > Mark
> > South NJ flyer fan
> >
>
As: 280810917730
Regards,
TimBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 67900 From: Dennis Back Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
> >>Does anyone make a reproduction track trip for American flyer track ?

Mark,

Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobbies has them.

Dennis
So. FL

















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Group: S-Trains Message: 67901 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
RF Giardina used to offer an electronic track trip. You might want to check his site.
 
Bob


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From: Rich <richs009@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:50 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Track trip


 
Mark -- I don't know whether there are repro track trips available, but you might take a look at some electronic alternatives (which should be more reliable). Lionel markets an IR-based 'train sensor' that I believe can be used to control lights etc., but its kinda expensive if you need multiples. I'm trying to figure out what I want to use and have been looking at several alternatives, but haven't fired up the soldering iron yet - all of the below presuppose you are moderately handy with putting some electronic components together.

Rob Paisley has a lot of circuits at: http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/CircuitIndex.html

Mark Rollins as a few at: http://www.mrollins.com/rail.html

Yorke's S-train web has a reproduction of Tom Barker's electromechanical current sensing method: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/trip.htm

Finally, one of the frequenters of this site, 'Norbert' has some control circuits posted at: http://doerry.org/norbert/index.htm

the advantage of several of these circuits - especially the ones using IR or ambient light detection - is that they are 'stand-off' - meaning there is no interaction with the train other than interrupting the light beam. They also can be used to control DC relays, which can be used in a number of ways - not only to control signal lights but to actually control power to track sections, etc.

I'm hoping that others (Norbert?) will weigh in on this, as I'd like some thoughts on what has worked for others.

Lastly, there are some kitmakers out there - allelectronics - to name but one. I think Radio Shack had some sort of light sensing kit, but I don't find it on-line.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "flyerguy63" <flyerguy63@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Does anyone make a reproduction track trip for American flyer track ? I recently addes LED lights to a plasticvill signal bridge and I'm trying to make them work with micro switches but I can't position them close enough to the rails. Any Ideas ?
>
> Mark
> South NJ flyer fan
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67902 From: jshannon148 Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
A big Thank You to all of you who responded on and off list. I have found the e-bay list of completed items.

Is it always limited to within the last 3 weeks? That's not a very long window for finding a similar item???

Thanks again,
John - Pittsburgh PA

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mark Speichert <mspeichert@...> wrote:
>
> Hello John ,if you go to the left side of the ebay page you will see a listing
> for completed items a click on that and it will show you everything that has
> sold or not sold for the past three weeks. Mark
>
>
>
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> ________________________________
> From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, January 20, 2012 3:09:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
>
>  
> Hi John,
>   There isn't an ebay list of items sold.  You can create your own list.  Do a
> view of active items that are selling.  If you see an item which interests you
> sand you want to see the final selling price, put it on your watch list or if
> you bid on the item and someone outbids you you will see the final price at the
> end of the auction. You must have a ebay account to do this.
>   Tom Seccia
>
> ________________________________
> From: jshannon148 <jshannon148@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:32 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
>
>
>  
> How or where does one find or seach for sold items? I went to E-bay after
> reading this post and could not find that option.
>
> Thanks, John Shannon
> Pittsburgh, PA
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave Winslow <davidwin@> wrote:
> >
> > I love Ebay, tend to go their and to the Ebay stores 1st! I
> > look first at sold items to get an idea what it is worth,
> > then look at the current listings. If you miss one of what
> > you want, you must be patient, another will come along,
> > often at much less. I've had only a few issues, all resolved
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67903 From: Ray Cook Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
I have used the pressure (weight) sensitive type from the Rail King line of MTH. They're adjustable, and have a nice positive throw... no air gap dead spot like the Lionel ones. (153?)   Set to their lightest, they're OK with most of my S gauge trains.  Hope that helps.                            Ray Cook; Irwin, PA
 


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From: flyerguy63 <flyerguy63@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:22 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Track trip

Hi

Does anyone make a reproduction track trip for American flyer track ? I recently addes LED lights to a plasticvill signal bridge and I'm trying to make them work with micro switches but I can't position them close enough to the rails. Any Ideas ?

Mark
South NJ flyer fan



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67904 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Chalenger problem (Update).
Roy , Add one more Chalinger to my clubs(Lone Star Flyer)to our number and I can report that they both have not had the problems. I would just double check the chuff senser, but the batery will tell you something. You should not experience loss of track power. like you said prevetive mantenance goes along way.Had one U-33at the show on our layout and it also ran withouy problems. Smoke was auwsum.
Thanks,
Alan
Group: S-Trains Message: 67905 From: doerryn Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
Mark,

The "right" track trip depends on what you want to use it for and how complex you want the "control" circuit to be.

If you look at my web page
http://edison/www/train/AFtrain-controls.htm

you will see that I've tried a number of different ways to implement a track trip.

In general, the IR light based detectors work the best as long as you keep sunlight from saturating the detector. (The old "Everything is great when you're playing with it after work during the week, but fails when you want to show it off during the day on weekends")

I've mostly built my own IR sensors, but have had success using one made from TCH Technology

http://www.tchtechnology.com/products/sensa-trakII/

The most reliable sensor I've made for detecting the front of a moving train is the current sensor. It detects when the engine (or another car) is drawing power in a control section. AC Gilbert made electromagnetic based ones (I prototyped one too), but I found that the voltage drop caused by them was annoying. Have since gone to using electronic current sensors.


You can generally make the AF 696 "shoe" type trip work satisfory if you "condition" the signal. A big capacitor and an isolation relay is probably the easiest way to avoid the "dead spots" between each time the wheel drives by. See

http://edison/www/train/AF696TrackTripConditioner.pdf

(You can also use it to condition the AF 697 "pressure" trip)

I've found that if you try to put a lot of current (more than an amp) through either the 696 or 697 trips, the arcing will quickly build a layer of insulating gunk that will cause them not to work reliably. By limiting the current to tens of milliamps and using a relay or power transistor, they work much better.

Have fun,

Norbert






--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rich" <richs009@...> wrote:
>
> Mark -- I don't know whether there are repro track trips available, but you might take a look at some electronic alternatives (which should be more reliable). Lionel markets an IR-based 'train sensor' that I believe can be used to control lights etc., but its kinda expensive if you need multiples. I'm trying to figure out what I want to use and have been looking at several alternatives, but haven't fired up the soldering iron yet - all of the below presuppose you are moderately handy with putting some electronic components together.
>
> Rob Paisley has a lot of circuits at: http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/CircuitIndex.html
>
> Mark Rollins as a few at: http://www.mrollins.com/rail.html
>
> Yorke's S-train web has a reproduction of Tom Barker's electromechanical current sensing method: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/trip.htm
>
> Finally, one of the frequenters of this site, 'Norbert' has some control circuits posted at: http://doerry.org/norbert/index.htm
>
> the advantage of several of these circuits - especially the ones using IR or ambient light detection - is that they are 'stand-off' - meaning there is no interaction with the train other than interrupting the light beam. They also can be used to control DC relays, which can be used in a number of ways - not only to control signal lights but to actually control power to track sections, etc.
>
> I'm hoping that others (Norbert?) will weigh in on this, as I'd like some thoughts on what has worked for others.
>
> Lastly, there are some kitmakers out there - allelectronics - to name but one. I think Radio Shack had some sort of light sensing kit, but I don't find it on-line.
>
> - Rich
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "flyerguy63" <flyerguy63@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Does anyone make a reproduction track trip for American flyer track ? I recently addes LED lights to a plasticvill signal bridge and I'm trying to make them work with micro switches but I can't position them close enough to the rails. Any Ideas ?
> >
> > Mark
> > South NJ flyer fan
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67906 From: piccu56 Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
Absolutely dump them as soon as you can. Keep the account in good standing for emergencies and purchases only. After what they did to me, I walked and never came back. Keep promoting your web page and they will come. Also consider alternatives to e-bay like Bonanza. Its a virtual flea market, and its free except when you sell something you are charged a nominal fee sort of like auto trader. You'll need to promote your site of your own accord, but if you can get word out they will come.

Visit my booth by going to Bonanza and searching for OldToyTrains. My booth should show, just click on it to go in and see my items. It features auto check out as well so no need to be bothered with checks or money orders if you choose to not accept them.

Dave



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:
>
> I do not like bidding on an item on e-bay and will not do so.  but I do order online from stores and companies,  So I see no problem with your action.  It is up to you and your business model.  You need to do what ever it takes to make a profit and keep your customers happy!
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David <reujan2000@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 8:50 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
>
>
>  
> Do to the rising cost and anti-small business sentiment associated with
> the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our EBAY STORE or at
> least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point, do to EBAY'S ever
> increasing fees and regulations, that in future our clients will be
> paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web site at
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> We have
> the same items their and a whole lot more (more than 900 items) and,
> except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you may still use PAY
> PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can pay by check or
> money order.
> We are asking you to reply to this email with your thoughts on this move
> as we always think about our clients well being NOT EBAY'S profits.
> Thank you all for your continuing support.
>
> "The Crew At LBR"
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67907 From: piccu56 Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Missing link for previous post
That is not the $15 version of the whistle control. That is the 710 variable control. Very popular, hard to find and worth generally around $125. This one being like new maybe worth $150.



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Donald Abrams <donabrams@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry about that!
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-710-Slide-Lever-Whistle-Control-Original-Box-LN-/220934445141?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3370b81855#ht_3996wt_1398
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-710-Slide-Lever-Whistle-Control-Original-Box-LN-/220934445141?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3370b81855#ht_3996wt_1398>
>
> It's a 710 Steam whistle controller.
>
> Don Abrams
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67908 From: Ben Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted- S-Helper flatcar with Krispy Kreme donut truck load
Well, folks...since these convention cars are so rare- an option is to buy the KK trucks from the KK website:

https://shop.krispykreme.com/c-3-toys-hats.aspx

for $10.99 each or get some on eBay. These fit on a standard postwar New Haven flatcar...so if you have one of those in your current collection, do what I plan to do and construct a small wooden plank to hold the trucks (much like the ones used on the circus flatcars), and you are in business for around $25.

I have one KK truck already...waiting to find a good price on a second one, then I will make the wooden plank and attach to my AF flatcar. Same look for about a hundrd bucks less.

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> I have seen two of these cars- one of which I missed out on at an auction.
>
> I have heard that these S-Helper flatcars with two vintage looking Krispy Kreme S-Scale delivery trucks were made as a convention or club car at some point?
>
> We would love to have one for the collection. Please contact me if you know of any for sale.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ben
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67909 From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
Norbert,

Your links aren't working to http://edison/www [1]..

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
On Mon 01/23/12 7:21 AM , "doerryn" doerry@... sent:
Mark,
The "right" track trip depends on what you want to use it for and
how complex you want the "control" circuit to be.
If you look at my web page
http://edison/www/train/AFtrain-controls.htm [2]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
On Mon 01/23/12 7:21 AM , "doerryn" doerry@... sent:
Mark,
The "right" track trip depends on what you want to use it for and
how complex you want the "control" circuit to be.
If you look at my web page
http://edison/www/train/AFtrain-controls.htm [3]
you will see that I've tried a number of different ways to implement
a track trip.
In general, the IR light based detectors work the best as long as
you keep sunlight from saturating the detector. (The old "Everything
is great when you're playing with it after work during the week, but
fails when you want to show it off during the day on weekends")
I've mostly built my own IR sensors, but have had success using one
made from TCH Technology
http://www.tchtechnology.com/products/sensa-trakII/ [4]
The most reliable sensor I've made for detecting the front of a
moving train is the current sensor. It detects when the engine (or
another car) is drawing power in a control section. AC Gilbert made
electromagnetic based ones (I prototyped one too), but I found that
the voltage drop caused by them was annoying. Have since gone to
using electronic current sensors.
You can generally make the AF 696 "shoe" type trip work satisfory if
you "condition" the signal. A big capacitor and an isolation relay is
probably the easiest way to avoid the "dead spots" between each time
the wheel drives by. See
http://edison/www/train/AF696TrackTripConditioner.pdf [5]
(You can also use it to condition the AF 697 "pressure" trip)
I've found that if you try to put a lot of current (more than an
amp) through either the 696 or 697 trips, the arcing will quickly
build a layer of insulating gunk that will cause them not to work
reliably. By limiting the current to tens of milliamps and using a
relay or power transistor, they work much better.
Have fun,
Norbert
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [6], "Rich" wrote:
>
> Mark -- I don't know whether there are repro track trips
available, but you might take a look at some electronic alternatives
(which should be more reliable). Lionel markets an IR-based 'train
sensor' that I believe can be used to control lights etc., but its
kinda expensive if you need multiples. I'm trying to figure out what
I want to use and have been looking at several alternatives, but
haven't fired up the soldering iron yet - all of the below presuppose
you are moderately handy with putting some electronic components
together.
>
> Rob Paisley has a lot of circuits at:
http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/CircuitIndex.html [7]
>
> Mark Rollins as a few at: http://www.mrollins.com/rail.html [8]
>
> Yorke's S-train web has a reproduction of Tom Barker's
electromechanical current sensing method:
http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/trip.htm [9]
>
> Finally, one of the frequenters of this site, 'Norbert' has some
control circuits posted at: http://doerry.org/norbert/index.htm [10]
>
> the advantage of several of these circuits - especially the ones
using IR or ambient light detection - is that they are 'stand-off' -
meaning there is no interaction with the train other than
interrupting the light beam. They also can be used to control DC
relays, which can be used in a number of ways - not only to control
signal lights but to actually control power to track sections, etc.
>
> I'm hoping that others (Norbert?) will weigh in on this, as I'd
like some thoughts on what has worked for others.
>
> Lastly, there are some kitmakers out there - allelectronics - to
name but one. I think Radio Shack had some sort of light sensing kit,
but I don't find it on-line.
>
> - Rich
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [11], "flyerguy63" wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Does anyone make a reproduction track trip for American flyer
track ? I recently addes LED lights to a plasticvill signal bridge
and I'm trying to make them work with micro switches but I can't
position them close enough to the rails. Any Ideas ?
> >
> > Mark
> > South NJ flyer fan
> >
>



Links:
------
[1] http://edison/www
[2] http://edison/www/train/AFtrain-controls.htm
[3] http://edison/www/train/AFtrain-controls.htm
[4] http://www.tchtechnology.com/products/sensa-trakII/
[5] http://edison/www/train/AF696TrackTripConditioner.pdf
[6] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
[7] http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/CircuitIndex.html
[8] http://www.mrollins.com/rail.html
[9] http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/trip.htm
[10] http://doerry.org/norbert/index.htm
[11] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
[12] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20AF%20Track%20trip
[13]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNDMwY3JiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzkwNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjczMjQzMjI-?act=reply&messageNum=67905
[14]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67884;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZW84bDUyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzkwNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjczMjQzMjIEdHBjSWQDNjc4ODQ-
[15] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67910 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Chalenger problem (Update).
Thank you Alan :)
Roy



From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:18:16 +0000
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Chalenger problem (Update).






Roy , Add one more Chalinger to my clubs(Lone Star Flyer)to our number and I
can report that they both have not had the problems. I would just double
check the chuff senser, but the batery will tell you something. You should
not experience loss of track power. like you said prevetive mantenance goes
along way.Had one U-33at the show on our layout and it also ran withouy
problems. Smoke was auwsum.
Thanks,
Alan








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Group: S-Trains Message: 67911 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
I have developed a foolproof circuit for operating all flashing
signals, crossing gates, & other accessories, this works with multiple
tracks and this is very inexpensive. It uses several AF # 696 track trips
placed at a point in the track to start the signals. The #696 is tripped
by the wheels, every time a wheel hits the track trip, it chargers a
capacitor, which closes a relay, which operates the accessory, you can
control the time of operation by using a larger capacitor. I use
batteries to operate LED signals, the relay is powered by track power.
When you turn the train transformer off, every thing shuts down, no
additional transformers. Parts, 12 volt DC relay, full wave rectifier,to
power the DC relay. 1000uf. 5v DC capactor, this stuff came from my junk
box and has been in operation for several years
Jerry
77-11644
____________________________________________________________
53 Year Old Mom Looks 33
The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f1d8447abf18a602m06duc
Group: S-Trains Message: 67912 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Chalenger problem (Update).
From: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Soon To be Hurst, Texas ( hopefully)
 
Roy , no problem. Now I need to make room on my home layout for my Coal Tower( the one with the side shute) that I got this weekend from George Greenwood, from Franklin, Tn. He brought some real good looking Flyer with him. we hadhim and 4 other area venders (S-Helper cars, no engines. A.M . was represented buy one of my club members that is a dealer.
Thanks,
� Alan


From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...>
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chalenger problem (Update).


 
Thank you Alan :)
Roy

From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:18:16 +0000
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Chalenger problem (Update).

Roy , Add one more Chalinger to my clubs(Lone Star Flyer)to our number and I
can report that they both have not had the problems. I would just double
check the chuff senser, but the batery will tell you something. You should
not experience loss of track power. like you said prevetive mantenance goes
along way.Had one U-33at the show on our layout and it also ran withouy
problems. Smoke was auwsum.
Thanks,
Alan

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67913 From: Timboy Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote:
>
>
> I have developed a foolproof circuit for operating all flashing
> signals, crossing gates, & other accessories, this works with multiple
> tracks and this is very inexpensive. It uses several AF # 696 track trips
> placed at a point in the track to start the signals. The #696 is tripped
> by the wheels, every time a wheel hits the track trip, it chargers a
> capacitor, which closes a relay, which operates the accessory, you can
> control the time of operation by using a larger capacitor. I use
> batteries to operate LED signals, the relay is powered by track power.
> When you turn the train transformer off, every thing shuts down, no
> additional transformers. Parts, 12 volt DC relay, full wave rectifier,to
> power the DC relay. 1000uf. 5v DC capactor, this stuff came from my junk
> box and has been in operation for several years
> Jerry
> 77-11644
>

Jerry,

Excellent contribution!

Thanks,

Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 67914 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: 752A coal loader
i just picked up one at my local(Plano) train show. Mine has the 2 button control with thered and green buttons. My question is how does the bucket dump the load down the chute to the car. I have not hooked it up to power yet. I looked and didnot see the cute door that opens with the middle button that is listed in my instruction manual.
Thanks,
Alan
Group: S-Trains Message: 67915 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: 752A coal loader
Hi Alan,
� The 2-Button 752 Coal Loader does not have a coil to trap the coal.  The coal will go right down the chute.  The 752A and the 785 Coal Loaders have 3-Button Controls. The third button releases the coal from

bin.  I have a wiring diagram for the 2 button in my Parts and Service book which was drawn by Tom Krell, Seattler. WA.  I believe Doug Peck also has that drawing on his web site.
� Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 4:03 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 752A coal loader


 
i just picked up one at my local(Plano) train show. Mine has the 2 button control with thered and green buttons. My question is how does the bucket dump the load down the chute to the car. I have not hooked it up to power yet. I looked and didnot see the cute door that opens with the middle button that is listed in my instruction manual.
Thanks,
Alan




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67916 From: doerryn Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
My mistake .... I was pointing to my local copies ...

I've fixed them below ....

sorry,

Norbert



> Mark,
> The "right" track trip depends on what you want to use it for and
> how complex you want the "control" circuit to be.
> If you look at my web page
http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain-controls.htm
> you will see that I've tried a number of different ways to implement
> a track trip.
> In general, the IR light based detectors work the best as long as
> you keep sunlight from saturating the detector. (The old "Everything
> is great when you're playing with it after work during the week, but
> fails when you want to show it off during the day on weekends")
> I've mostly built my own IR sensors, but have had success using one
> made from TCH Technology
> http://www.tchtechnology.com/products/sensa-trakII/
> The most reliable sensor I've made for detecting the front of a
> moving train is the current sensor. It detects when the engine (or
> another car) is drawing power in a control section. AC Gilbert made
> electromagnetic based ones (I prototyped one too), but I found that
> the voltage drop caused by them was annoying. Have since gone to
> using electronic current sensors.
> You can generally make the AF 696 "shoe" type trip work satisfory if
> you "condition" the signal. A big capacitor and an isolation relay is
> probably the easiest way to avoid the "dead spots" between each time
> the wheel drives by. See
http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain-controls.htm/train/AF696TrackTripConditioner.pdf
> (You can also use it to condition the AF 697 "pressure" trip)
> I've found that if you try to put a lot of current (more than an
> amp) through either the 696 or 697 trips, the arcing will quickly
> build a layer of insulating gunk that will cause them not to work
> reliably. By limiting the current to tens of milliamps and using a
> relay or power transistor, they work much better.
> Have fun,
> Norbert
Group: S-Trains Message: 67917 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
What ever happened to rick.... last time i saw him was in 1990....Bob

--- On Fri, 1/20/12, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 12:58 PM



 



David,

I live in DC and I have used Ebay to find trains I need for my collection that I would not find at a show.

Have you ever seen Rick Zeigler in the Houston area selling AF? He used to be at York, as he was a favorite seller of AF, but I have not seen at York in many years.

Mike

From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:12 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)

Hi Dave,

I've lived in Memphis, Atlanta and now Katy (Houston) since I rekindled my AF hobby. All of these are major cities with Houston being fourth largest in the USA and you can't find any AF other than the TCA meets which usually have a small amount of vintage AF. If not for eBay there would be basically no access to AF in the south. The hobby shops down here don't stock and will not order Flyonel due to no demand. Due to lack of supply down here I would say over 95% of my AF has been from eBay. The rest came from American Models, SHS and some members of this group. By way of you being on this group I have gotten some wheel traction bands from you. I know eBay fees are getting higher and higher but I think you would be missing a large part of the non-northeast market if you dropped eBay because we have little or no access to AF any other way. Your sales records should help you determine the demographics of your buyers, but I would suspect quite a few are
outside the northeast and have found you on eBay.

David

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
> Do to the rising cost and anti-small business sentiment associated with
> the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our EBAY STORE or at
> least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point, do to EBAY'S ever
> increasing fees and regulations, that in future our clients will be
> paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web site at
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> We have
> the same items their and a whole lot more (more than 900 items) and,
> except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you may still use PAY
> PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can pay by check or
> money order.
> We are asking you to reply to this email with your thoughts on this move
> as we always think about our clients well being NOT EBAY'S profits.
> Thank you all for your continuing support.
>
> "The Crew At LBR"
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67918 From: Timboy Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Track trip
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doerryn" <doerry@...> wrote:
>
> My mistake .... I was pointing to my local copies ...
>
> I've fixed them below ....
>
> sorry,
>
> Norbert
>
>
>
> > Mark,
> > The "right" track trip depends on what you want to use it for and
> > how complex you want the "control" circuit to be.
> > If you look at my web page
> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain-controls.htm
> > you will see that I've tried a number of different ways to implement
> > a track trip.
> > In general, the IR light based detectors work the best as long as
> > you keep sunlight from saturating the detector. (The old "Everything
> > is great when you're playing with it after work during the week, but
> > fails when you want to show it off during the day on weekends")
> > I've mostly built my own IR sensors, but have had success using one
> > made from TCH Technology
> > http://www.tchtechnology.com/products/sensa-trakII/
> > The most reliable sensor I've made for detecting the front of a
> > moving train is the current sensor. It detects when the engine (or
> > another car) is drawing power in a control section. AC Gilbert made
> > electromagnetic based ones (I prototyped one too), but I found that
> > the voltage drop caused by them was annoying. Have since gone to
> > using electronic current sensors.
> > You can generally make the AF 696 "shoe" type trip work satisfory if
> > you "condition" the signal. A big capacitor and an isolation relay is
> > probably the easiest way to avoid the "dead spots" between each time
> > the wheel drives by. See
> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain-controls.htm/train/AF696TrackTripConditioner.pdf
> > (You can also use it to condition the AF 697 "pressure" trip)
> > I've found that if you try to put a lot of current (more than an
> > amp) through either the 696 or 697 trips, the arcing will quickly
> > build a layer of insulating gunk that will cause them not to work
> > reliably. By limiting the current to tens of milliamps and using a
> > relay or power transistor, they work much better.
> > Have fun,
> > Norbert
>
Norbert,

I agree that a voltage drop with the vintage electric track trip CAN be annoying. However, the challenge is to place it in such as way where the voltage drop is either negligible, or even actually desirable. I find one particularly useful on a downgrade. It can activate something on the other side of the layout AND act as a brake for the loco, so the loco doesn't go running wild down the grade.

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 67919 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: 752A coal loader
From: Alan Lambert
�Lone Star flyer Club
Arlington, Texas
 
Tom,
Thanks for the info.
All I need to do is hok up to my transfor that will be dedicated to it and have fun. I will check Dougs site as I always do.
Thanks,
�Alan

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 752A coal loader


 
Hi Alan,
  The 2-Button 752 Coal Loader does not have a coil to trap the coal.  The coal will go right down the chute.  The 752A and the 785 Coal Loaders have 3-Button Controls. The third button releases the coal from

bin.  I have a wiring diagram for the 2 button in my Parts and Service book which was drawn by Tom Krell, Seattler. WA.  I believe Doug Peck also has that drawing on his web site.
  Tom Seccia

________________________________
From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 4:03 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 752A coal loader


 
i just picked up one at my local(Plano) train show. Mine has the 2 button control with thered and green buttons. My question is how does the bucket dump the load down the chute to the car. I have not hooked it up to power yet. I looked and didnot see the cute door that opens with the middle button that is listed in my instruction manual.
Thanks,
Alan

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67920 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
I was not in the TCA in 1990 but in 92. My last York before 2002 was 1996, as I purchased many things from him. he was one of my favorite sellers.

Mike

From: Robert Conner
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:19 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)


What ever happened to rick.... last time i saw him was in 1990....Bob

--- On Fri, 1/20/12, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 12:58 PM



David,

I live in DC and I have used Ebay to find trains I need for my collection that I would not find at a show.

Have you ever seen Rick Zeigler in the Houston area selling AF? He used to be at York, as he was a favorite seller of AF, but I have not seen at York in many years.

Mike

From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:12 AM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)

Hi Dave,

I've lived in Memphis, Atlanta and now Katy (Houston) since I rekindled my AF hobby. All of these are major cities with Houston being fourth largest in the USA and you can't find any AF other than the TCA meets which usually have a small amount of vintage AF. If not for eBay there would be basically no access to AF in the south. The hobby shops down here don't stock and will not order Flyonel due to no demand. Due to lack of supply down here I would say over 95% of my AF has been from eBay. The rest came from American Models, SHS and some members of this group. By way of you being on this group I have gotten some wheel traction bands from you. I know eBay fees are getting higher and higher but I think you would be missing a large part of the non-northeast market if you dropped eBay because we have little or no access to AF any other way. Your sales records should help you determine the demographics of your buyers, but I would suspect quite a few are
outside the northeast and have found you on eBay.

David

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
> Do to the rising cost and anti-small business sentiment associated with
> the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our EBAY STORE or at
> least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point, do to EBAY'S ever
> increasing fees and regulations, that in future our clients will be
> paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web site at
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> We have
> the same items their and a whole lot more (more than 900 items) and,
> except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you may still use PAY
> PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can pay by check or
> money order.
> We are asking you to reply to this email with your thoughts on this move
> as we always think about our clients well being NOT EBAY'S profits.
> Thank you all for your continuing support.
>
> "The Crew At LBR"
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67921 From: Thorin Marty Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Thorin in Chicago
Good evening:
I am in Schaumburg for training. I am going to Des Plaines Hobbies on
Thursday evening and plan to be there until closing; 8:00 PM. Anyone else going
to be there?

Thorin

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67922 From: johntech Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Model Railroader is now available in digital for readers worldwide!
P15946_SA$29.95

I just got an email from Model Railroader indicating that they are going Digital
You can now the magazine on you PC, Mac, laptop, iPad, Android tablets
and smart phones running version 2.2 or higher.


It's about time they entered the 20th centry

John

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67923 From: robert hendrickson Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Thorin in Chicago
If you have the time while there have dinner at Walter Payton's Roundhouse restaurant. Great steaks, microbrewery and it's in an old CB&Q roundhouse along part of the Metra commuter line as well as the BNSF main so you can trainwatch while enjoying dinner

.
 
Bob

________________________________
From: Thorin Marty <lagthor@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 9:15 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Thorin in Chicago


 
Good evening:
I am in Schaumburg for training. I am going to Des Plaines Hobbies on
Thursday evening and plan to be there until closing; 8:00 PM. Anyone else going
to be there?

Thorin

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67924 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer club
� Arlington, Texas
 
David,
I have to agree here alsowith David( bull_gator_1). We just got through with the Plano, Texas  train show and had one vender can' remember who that had S-helper and Pacic rail shops cars for sail.then I found our regulars again(Jon Lander from Austin, and Keith Edmonds from Dallas). To my great suprise after running my trains, one I had running All day and didn't get time (my Franklin set) I ran into George Greenwood from Franklin, Ten. Had he not been here I would not have my 752 coal loader that I paid $250.00 for. If not for him I would have had to go on e-bay and hope It is like the posted picture. I got to see it and  the condition it was in when Bought mine. Like David said if not for E-bay the bigist state (Texas) would not have much to offer from hobby shops. I have that will order S scale goodies from  Walthers, but they don't stock anything.They are within walking distance from home. The other close one moved 20more miles from Dallas to
Forney Texas and he had Flyonel and S-helper making him more than 50 miles one way.I look on e-bay more and more but have not bought bought for the foremintioned reason. My Dollars worth.
� Thanks,
� Alan Lambert

From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)


 
What ever happened to rick.... last time i saw him was in 1990....Bob

--- On Fri, 1/20/12, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 12:58 PM

 

David,

I live in DC and I have used Ebay to find trains I need for my collection that I would not find at a show.

Have you ever seen Rick Zeigler in the Houston area selling AF? He used to be at York, as he was a favorite seller of AF, but I have not seen at York in many years.

Mike

From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:12 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Reply Will Be Most Helpful ;o)

Hi Dave,

I've lived in Memphis, Atlanta and now Katy (Houston) since I rekindled my AF hobby. All of these are major cities with Houston being fourth largest in the USA and you can't find any AF other than the TCA meets which usually have a small amount of vintage AF. If not for eBay there would be basically no access to AF in the south. The hobby shops down here don't stock and will not order Flyonel due to no demand. Due to lack of supply down here I would say over 95% of my AF has been from eBay. The rest came from American Models, SHS and some members of this group. By way of you being on this group I have gotten some wheel traction bands from you. I know eBay fees are getting higher and higher but I think you would be missing a large part of the non-northeast market if you dropped eBay because we have little or no access to AF any other way. Your sales records should help you determine the demographics of your buyers, but I would suspect quite a few are
outside the northeast and have found you on eBay.

David

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
> Do to the rising cost and anti-small business sentiment associated with
> the EBAY ORGANIZATION we are considering closing our EBAY STORE or at
> least scaling it way back. It is getting to the point, do to EBAY'S ever
> increasing fees and regulations, that in future our clients will be
> paying more for their items at EBAY than at our web site at
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> We have
> the same items their and a whole lot more (more than 900 items) and,
> except where noted, we have FREE SHIPPING. Plus you may still use PAY
> PAL to pay for your purchases or, unlike EBAY, you can pay by check or
> money order.
> We are asking you to reply to this email with your thoughts on this move
> as we always think about our clients well being NOT EBAY'S profits.
> Thank you all for your continuing support.
>
> "The Crew At LBR"
> www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67925 From: David Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Drive Wheel Centering Tool (Advertisement)
Our next offering to the AF repairman is a drive gear centering tool.
This is a two (2) piece tool which, when used correctly (instructions
included), will allow the repair person to exactly center the drive gear
in the chassis and thus the drive wheel axle will be centered exactly
for the best performance possible.

The next tool we will offer will be a COUPLER HEIGHT TOOL.

We will have a SPECIAL ONE DAY SALE on our off white wheel insulators in
the first week of February. What date will be announced before the
event. REG. $3.50 ea. SALE PRICE $2.25 ea.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872





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Group: S-Trains Message: 67926 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: "nut drivers"
Hi all:
One of the hex headed machine screws that holds the side/drive rods on
my AM 4-8-4 came loose. I looked for some nut drivers that I thought I
had, but couldn't find them at home (typical). I checked with Micro
Mark and they have a few sets sets, in metric and inch. Has anybody
used either of those and which would be better for the engine side
rods? I assume that the metric would be best since the engines are made
in China - however, maybe the manufacturers (AM, SHS, etc.) might make a
suggestion. Does anyone have any other suggestions besides MicroMark
where I can order them and have them sent to California???
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
ps Any suggestions for a loc tite material to hold machine screws in?
Might as well order both together.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67927 From: David Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: New Driver Rims Up Date (Advertisement)
Just a little up date on our rim production. We will have the NEW RIMS
for the blind drivers on the Hudson, Pacific & Northern engines. Also,
we will have all new rims and a traction band slip on style rim for the
0-6-0 & 0-8-0 engines plus black, gray & off white insulators some time
in February. We already stock the white insulator.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67928 From: Mike Kaiser Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
Hello,
>
> I just purchased a new Lionel U33 Southern Pacific. All looks good out of the box but when running on 24" curves it seems to have many issues. Anyone else running this engine have a good workaround?
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67929 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Use of the 10 button controller and dip switch settings
Hi:
Got the diesels with everything working (horn, bell, mars light, marker
lights, etc.) - really great. Thanks to both of you for the info and help.
Definitely appreciate the fast response and accurate comments -
especially stuck here in the non-S land of Norway!
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
Now I am beginning to think about reworking the track plan to make it
more reasonable in a 12'x12' room!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 67930 From: R G Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
Mine has work fine on both 20" radius and larger radius track.  The only thing that is a negative is the gear noise when going around a curve.  But with the design it has with the exposed gears there is nothing we can do to totally eliminate the noise.  You definitely was to lubricate the engine if you have not already done so. But with the rail sounds on you will not notice it.  Are you using TMCC or Legacy?



________________________________
From: Mike Kaiser <mike.kaiser@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:15 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves


 
Hello,
>
> I just purchased a new Lionel U33 Southern Pacific. All looks good out of the box but when running on 24" curves it seems to have many issues. Anyone else running this engine have a good workaround?
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67931 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Loc-Tite alternative
You have to be kind of careful with Loc-Tite as there are several grades. Some grip like epoxy, some can only be loosened by heat, both types making future disassembly a REAL problem. Read the lable FIRST! Using the wrong stuff will sometimes ruin the threads when you try to take the item apart later.
In many cases a drop of paint works just as well. Especially good for this is house paint, but I usually use some of the bottom goo from water based model paints. It just takes a tiny bit.
Like Loc-Tite or other chemical fastener, clean the threads on the screw and the hole first. Use a toothpick to put a drop of paint on the threads of the screw, and install. Wipe off any paint that might squeeze out right away. Allow to dry thoroughly.
You'd be surprized how well this works, even on badly worn threads. And it will come loose with a little pressure from your screw or nut driver later.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 67932 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: "nut drivers"
Hi Rance,



I would suggest using Loctite #222 (Purple). This is their weak-strength
grade and is made especially for fine threads and small screws (and should
be adequate for this application). At some time you may want to loosen the
screws again and if you make too aggressive a bond, you will have to heat
your work with a torch to get it loose. Product # 243 (Blue) is the
medium-strength grade, and is good for most applications you might
encounter, but even it may be too aggressive for the small fasteners used in
toy trains. Here is the link to Loctite's industrial products:

http://www.henkelna.com/adhesives/threadlocking-loctite-red-blue-threadlocke
rs-green-purple-13445.htm Look under the heading "General Purpose
Industrial Threadlockers" under "Featured Products"



Hope this helps,



Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rance Velapoldi
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:06 AM
To: S-Scale Group; S-trains yahoo
Subject: [S-Trains] "nut drivers"





Hi all:
One of the hex headed machine screws that holds the side/drive rods on
my AM 4-8-4 came loose. I looked for some nut drivers that I thought I
had, but couldn't find them at home (typical). I checked with Micro
Mark and they have a few sets sets, in metric and inch. Has anybody
used either of those and which would be better for the engine side
rods? I assume that the metric would be best since the engines are made
in China - however, maybe the manufacturers (AM, SHS, etc.) might make a
suggestion. Does anyone have any other suggestions besides MicroMark
where I can order them and have them sent to California???
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
ps Any suggestions for a loc tite material to hold machine screws in?
Might as well order both together.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 67933 From: Mike Kaiser Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
Great thank you for the advice. Is there a specific product you recommend for lubricating engines? I am fairly new to running AF or S as I have inherited most of my collection and am just starting to get this setup again, I am a amatuer to most of this. I looked at Legacy but have yet to purchase the Legacy 900 system based on if it would actually work with TMCC based engines as well.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 24, 2012, at 12:29 PM, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:

> Mine has work fine on both 20" radius and larger radius track. The only thing that is a negative is the gear noise when going around a curve. But with the design it has with the exposed gears there is nothing we can do to totally eliminate the noise. You definitely was to lubricate the engine if you have not already done so. But with the rail sounds on you will not notice it. Are you using TMCC or Legacy?
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Kaiser <mike.kaiser@...>
> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:15 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
>
>
> Hello,
> >
> > I just purchased a new Lionel U33 Southern Pacific. All looks good out of the box but when running on 24" curves it seems to have many issues. Anyone else running this engine have a good workaround?
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67934 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: The Lionel U33C
And where might one find a wiring diagram for this loco?

Anybody had a look inside? An awful lot of wires.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67935 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: The Lionel U33C
Tom,

The U33 has all new electronics designed for this loco. The receiver is a tiny RCDR2 with Legacy code.
The driver board is all new also. The LED lighting is all driven driectly from the driver board's microprosser.
The smoke unit is a new design also powered from the diver board directly.

I will post pics of the U33 innards soon on my web site.

Lionel does not provide wiring diagrams for their locos anymore. The parts list is not yet posted on the Lionel site but will be soon.

Carl


----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hawley
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:30 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] The Lionel U33C



And where might one find a wiring diagram for this loco?

Anybody had a look inside? An awful lot of wires.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67936 From: dphobbies Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Thorin in Chicago
Thorin,

Sorry I am going to miss you Thursday eve. Sue and I will be dining at the Steaming Tender in Palmer, MA about the same time. We will be there for the Amherst show in West Springfield. Don't worry. We didn't take all of the good stuff to West Springfield. When you are in, have BillyBob put one of the new U33s through its paces for you.

If you are still in town on Saturday, maybe you can hook up with Chuck West and the Des Plaines Valley boys. They are only a few blocks from the shop.

Regards,
Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines Hobbies

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Thorin Marty <lagthor@...> wrote:
>
> Good evening:
> I am in Schaumburg for training. I am going to Des Plaines Hobbies on
> Thursday evening and plan to be there until closing; 8:00 PM. Anyone else going
> to be there?
>
> Thorin
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67937 From: R G Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
I use a plastic compatible gear lube for model trains



________________________________
From: Mike Kaiser <mike.kaiser@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves


 
Great thank you for the advice. Is there a specific product you recommend for lubricating engines? I am fairly new to running AF or S as I have inherited most of my collection and am just starting to get this setup again, I am a amatuer to most of this. I looked at Legacy but have yet to purchase the Legacy 900 system based on if it would actually work with TMCC based engines as well.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 24, 2012, at 12:29 PM, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:

> Mine has work fine on both 20" radius and larger radius track. The only thing that is a negative is the gear noise when going around a curve. But with the design it has with the exposed gears there is nothing we can do to totally eliminate the noise. You definitely was to lubricate the engine if you have not already done so. But with the rail sounds on you will not notice it. Are you using TMCC or Legacy?
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Kaiser <mike.kaiser@...>
> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:15 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
>
>
> Hello,
> >
> > I just purchased a new Lionel U33 Southern Pacific. All looks good out of the box but when running on 24" curves it seems to have many issues. Anyone else running this engine have a good workaround?
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67938 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: "nut drivers"
Rance, I picked up my set of small nut drivers from Sears. Good quality &
less cost, Mike


In a message dated 1/24/2012 1:10:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rvelapoldi@... writes:




Hi all:
One of the hex headed machine screws that holds the side/drive rods on
my AM 4-8-4 came loose. I looked for some nut drivers that I thought I
had, but couldn't find them at home (typical). I checked with Micro
Mark and they have a few sets sets, in metric and inch. Has anybody
used either of those and which would be better for the engine side
rods? I assume that the metric would be best since the engines are made
in China - however, maybe the manufacturers (AM, SHS, etc.) might make a
suggestion. Does anyone have any other suggestions besides MicroMark
where I can order them and have them sent to California???
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
ps Any suggestions for a loc tite material to hold machine screws in?
Might as well order both together.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 67939 From: Jerry Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
Mike,

My U33C runs great on the curves of my new layout. They range from about 40" radius to 22", just about what classic Flyer was. Not too much noise either. I lubed it well, and have been running it a lot. BTW, I have about a dozen mixed freight cars behind it, and it hardly notices them. I'm glad you can turn down the sound, though! The loco has crew figures, which although nice, are hardly noticeable. And Tom Hawley is right. The thing is PACKED with electrical stuff. Most of it I don't want. But I've been down that topic road before.... ;>)

I also have a Flyonel SD9, which has a similar gear arrangement, and at first it had a bit of gear noise. But after a few hours and a re-lube, it quieted down nicely and is one of my best runners. After the AM and SHS locos, though.



Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Kaiser <mike.kaiser@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> >
> > I just purchased a new Lionel U33 Southern Pacific. All looks good out of the box but when running on 24" curves it seems to have many issues. Anyone else running this engine have a good workaround?
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67940 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: "nut drivers"
Hmm, any Sears in Norway?

Rance, sorry, I could not resist.

how about a trip to Lake Forest Mall in Gaithersburg, MD you old home town? O!

Mike

From: anormal1@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:20 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "nut drivers"


Rance, I picked up my set of small nut drivers from Sears. Good quality &
less cost, Mike


In a message dated 1/24/2012 1:10:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mailto:rvelapoldi%40gmail.com writes:

Hi all:
One of the hex headed machine screws that holds the side/drive rods on
my AM 4-8-4 came loose. I looked for some nut drivers that I thought I
had, but couldn't find them at home (typical). I checked with Micro
Mark and they have a few sets sets, in metric and inch. Has anybody
used either of those and which would be better for the engine side
rods? I assume that the metric would be best since the engines are made
in China - however, maybe the manufacturers (AM, SHS, etc.) might make a
suggestion. Does anyone have any other suggestions besides MicroMark
where I can order them and have them sent to California???
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
ps Any suggestions for a loc tite material to hold machine screws in?
Might as well order both together.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67941 From: rapidrail1 Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
As I mentioned in my post a couple of weeks ago, I have the same problem, also on 24" SHS curves. I did lube it with plastic compatible Labelle lube before I ran it. I did not oil the axle bearings. I will try that next. But I got the feeling this was an electrical connection issue. When I increase voltage on my TMCC cab I, the engine starts back up again. I have not tried it on conventional transformer yet. I will do that soon. The reason, I don't think it is not a gears problem is I also got a Circus GP9 and that has the same gearing set-up, but not the stopping in the curve problem. However, I will try more lube and oil the axle bearings to see if that helps.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Kaiser <mike.kaiser@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> >
> > I just purchased a new Lionel U33 Southern Pacific. All looks good out of the box but when running on 24" curves it seems to have many issues. Anyone else running this engine have a good workaround?
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67942 From: R G Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
The manufacturing plant in China tends to bundle the wires too tight when assembling new locomotives. There may not be enough slack in the wire causing it to break when going around a curve.  I had these issues with a Challenger and one wire broke completly off the front motor from flexing going around a curve after a few hours total run time.  Resolder the wire back on, loosen the bundle of wires so there is plenty of flex and problem solved!



________________________________
From: rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 7:13 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves


 
As I mentioned in my post a couple of weeks ago, I have the same problem, also on 24" SHS curves. I did lube it with plastic compatible Labelle lube before I ran it. I did not oil the axle bearings. I will try that next. But I got the feeling this was an electrical connection issue. When I increase voltage on my TMCC cab I, the engine starts back up again. I have not tried it on conventional transformer yet. I will do that soon. The reason, I don't think it is not a gears problem is I also got a Circus GP9 and that has the same gearing set-up, but not the stopping in the curve problem. However, I will try more lube and oil the axle bearings to see if that helps.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Kaiser <mike.kaiser@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> >
> > I just purchased a new Lionel U33 Southern Pacific. All looks good out of the box but when running on 24" curves it seems to have many issues. Anyone else running this engine have a good workaround?
> >
> >
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67943 From: Joseph H Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
I sell the Lubriplate 630-AA, as recommended by Tom Barker. It comes in a plastic 3/8 oz. tube and costs only a $1.

Joe

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Kaiser <mike.kaiser@...> wrote:
>
> Great thank you for the advice. Is there a specific product you recommend for lubricating engines? I am fairly new to running AF or S as I have inherited most of my collection and am just starting to get this setup again, I am a amatuer to most of this. I looked at Legacy but have yet to purchase the Legacy 900 system based on if it would actually work with TMCC based engines as well.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 24, 2012, at 12:29 PM, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:
>
> > Mine has work fine on both 20" radius and larger radius track. The only thing that is a negative is the gear noise when going around a curve. But with the design it has with the exposed gears there is nothing we can do to totally eliminate the noise. You definitely was to lubricate the engine if you have not already done so. But with the rail sounds on you will not notice it. Are you using TMCC or Legacy?
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Mike Kaiser <mike.kaiser@...>
> > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:15 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> > >
> > > I just purchased a new Lionel U33 Southern Pacific. All looks good out of the box but when running on 24" curves it seems to have many issues. Anyone else running this engine have a good workaround?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67944 From: SMMW Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: SR gon in S scale?
All of my S scale rolling stock offerings, except the Barber trucks, were
created in HO before being converted to S. An HO kit that I produced last
year has not been offered to S scale so I thought I'd remedy that now.



Go to this link:



http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/HO_gondolas.html



The 2 SR 52'-6" gons at the top of the web page have not been mentioned
before so if there is interest, now's the time to chime in. For the purists
out there, these Pullman-Std. cars were built only for the Southern (as far
as I can determine), however, they are VERY close in detail, rib count and
length to ACF's version which a LOT of roads owned (visit
www.tangentscalemodels.com to view the HO ACF paint schemes). The primary
spotting differences between the P-S version and ACF are the ends and end
sills; ACF ends were available as a drop-down option and ACF end sills were
angled.



The HO cars have sold reasonably well since it's never been produced in HO.
It's a "steam-era" car (1 batch built in 1953 delivered in Roman, 1 batch in
1958 delivered in Block) that ran well into the 90s in MOW service. I shot
2 in the mid-80s still wearing very beat up Roman lettering.



The proposed S scale kits would be available as a 1-pc body with separate
urethane underframe, brass weight, etched tie down U-loops that run the
length of the car on both sides and decals. The etched fret also includes
the brake platform. I think an "econo-kit" option is applicable for this
one since ladders are short (easy to scratchbuild) and
trucks/couplers/Grandt AB brakes are readily available. The remaining parts
are round and flat wire (for steps) and miscellaneous styrene strips
(ladders). Depending on how many kits are reserved, I can probably sell
either decal option kit for around $60. Decals and etched parts are VERY
expensive and the latter requires new artwork and minimum sheet order
quantity. A mini-CD containing 22 pages and TONS prototype pix completes
the kit (a full-size CD is available upon request for Mac users).



This kit would follow the SAL B7 car which is now being designed in HO and
moving along well. Please reply off-list if you are interested in
either/both of the SR gons.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 67945 From: Michael Kaiser Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
Thanks for your help with this, I picked up some gear lube, hope to put it
on see how it works. I hope this will solve my turn issue as well

Thanks!
Mike

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> I sell the Lubriplate 630-AA, as recommended by Tom Barker. It comes in a
> plastic 3/8 oz. tube and costs only a $1.
>
> Joe
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Kaiser <mike.kaiser@...> wrote:
> >
> > Great thank you for the advice. Is there a specific product you
> recommend for lubricating engines? I am fairly new to running AF or S as I
> have inherited most of my collection and am just starting to get this setup
> again, I am a amatuer to most of this. I looked at Legacy but have yet to
> purchase the Legacy 900 system based on if it would actually work with TMCC
> based engines as well.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Jan 24, 2012, at 12:29 PM, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Mine has work fine on both 20" radius and larger radius track. The
> only thing that is a negative is the gear noise when going around a curve.
> But with the design it has with the exposed gears there is nothing we can
> do to totally eliminate the noise. You definitely was to lubricate the
> engine if you have not already done so. But with the rail sounds on you
> will not notice it. Are you using TMCC or Legacy?
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Mike Kaiser <mike.kaiser@...>
>
> > > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:15 AM
> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel U33 SP issue on Curves
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I just purchased a new Lionel U33 Southern Pacific. All looks good
> out of the box but when running on 24" curves it seems to have many issues.
> Anyone else running this engine have a good workaround?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67946 From: albert paolozzi Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: S scale parts and stuff
To the S trains list group.  I have just recently picked up a LOT of S Scale parts and wheels (brass) and armatures and a lot of things that I am not sure what they are for in S scale.  I am intending to photo it in lots as best that I can and offer it up a little at a time in lots on e-bay.  I am into Flyer hi rail and don't know what the interest level is for S Scale.   My e-mail is amflyral@....   Anyone that is interested in S scale stuff can contact me and I will do my best to get back to you.   Is there another list that I should be addressing rather than this group?   Thanks in advance.   Al Paolozzi


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67947 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: S scale parts and stuff
S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sn3@yahoogroups.com

would be the best choices if any of it is suitable for narrow gauge

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 1/25/2012 8:50 PM, albert paolozzi wrote:
>
> To the S trains list group. I have just recently picked up a LOT of S
> Scale parts and wheels (brass) and armatures and a lot of things that
> I am not sure what they are for in S scale. I am intending to photo it
> in lots as best that I can and offer it up a little at a time in lots
> on e-bay. I am into Flyer hi rail and don't know what the interest
> level is for S Scale. My e-mail is amflyral@...
> <mailto:amflyral%40yahoo.com>. Anyone that is interested in S scale
> stuff can contact me and I will do my best to get back to you. Is
> there another list that I should be addressing rather than this group?
> Thanks in advance. Al Paolozzi
>
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>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67948 From: mike gardner Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: restringing 944 brownhoist crane
I have a 944 hoist that needs restringing and can not find out how long the new strings should be. Does anyone know the proper length string that a 944  uses. Thank all of you for your help .  Mike Gardner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67949 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: restringing 944 brownhoist crane
From: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
� Arlington, Texas
 
Mike,
 Go to Port lines Hobbies and look. you might find what you are looking for.
� Thanks,
Alan


________________________________
From: mike gardner <tamerlane_46@...>
To: "s-trains@..." <s-trains@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:51 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] restringing 944 brownhoist crane



 

I have a 944 hoist that needs restringing and can not find out how long the new strings should be. Does anyone know the proper length string that a 944  uses. Thank all of you for your help .  Mike Gardner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67950 From: Art Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Next AF by Lionel Diesel speculation
IF the U33C proves successful (my second EL is a good one so far), what diesel TMCC project do you think Lionel will do for AF? Maybe the SD-40 they chose not to produce awhile back? Hoping for a dummy too....

Art
Group: S-Trains Message: 67951 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: restringing 944 brownhoist crane
Hi Mike,
                        You should start with a piece of cord 5 feet long.
                                                    Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: mike gardner <tamerlane_46@...>
To: "s-trains@..." <s-trains@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:51 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] restringing 944 brownhoist crane


 
I have a 944 hoist that needs restringing and can not find out how long the new strings should be. Does anyone know the proper length string that a 944  uses. Thank all of you for your help .  Mike Gardner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67952 From: Rich Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: restringing 944 brownhoist crane
Mike -- check out http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/restring.htm for additional info.

- rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>                         You should start with a piece of cord 5 feet long.
>                                                     Tom Seccia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mike gardner <tamerlane_46@...>
> To: "s-trains@..." <s-trains@...>
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:51 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] restringing 944 brownhoist crane
>
>
>  
> I have a 944 hoist that needs restringing and can not find out how long the new strings should be. Does anyone know the proper length string that a 944  uses. Thank all of you for your help .  Mike Gardner
>
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>
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67953 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: "nut drivers"
Rance,

The screw is a 4mm.

I have a set of Micro Mark Metric nutdrivers and they are first class.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Rance Velapoldi
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:06 AM
To: S-Scale Group; S-trains yahoo
Subject: [S-Trains] "nut drivers"



Hi all:
One of the hex headed machine screws that holds the side/drive rods on
my AM 4-8-4 came loose. I looked for some nut drivers that I thought I
had, but couldn't find them at home (typical). I checked with Micro
Mark and they have a few sets sets, in metric and inch. Has anybody
used either of those and which would be better for the engine side
rods? I assume that the metric would be best since the engines are made
in China - however, maybe the manufacturers (AM, SHS, etc.) might make a
suggestion. Does anyone have any other suggestions besides MicroMark
where I can order them and have them sent to California???
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
ps Any suggestions for a loc tite material to hold machine screws in?
Might as well order both together.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 67954 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Grand Rapids MI
Heard club was forming in the Grand Rapids Mich area, lost info. I have now a customer who is enquiring about it. Can someone give us a progress report on the club and contact information, please.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67955 From: Donald Keil Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Grand Rapids MI
Tom Hawley
The group in Grand Rapids is doing very well. One year as a club we have two tracks up and running. One will be set up for American Flyer ac and the second will be set up to run AC,TMCC and DC depending who will be at our shows. The layout can be 8 ft by 8ft to ?? We have 14 two by four mod and 4 four by four corners. The current layout set up is eight by 28 ft with a big yard.
call me for more information
Don Keil
616 304 8244
dlkeil@...
 


________________________________
From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Grand Rapids MI


 
Heard club was forming in the Grand Rapids Mich area, lost info. I have now a customer who is enquiring about it. Can someone give us a progress report on the club and contact information, please.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67956 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: "nut drivers"
How about buying a 1/4 inch drive metric socket set with a screwdriver handle? I have in both metric & fractional sizes for small repairs.

Bob




Sent from my iPod

On Jan 26, 2012, at 9:35 PM, <carl@...> wrote:

> Rance,
>
> The screw is a 4mm.
>
> I have a set of Micro Mark Metric nutdrivers and they are first class.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
> Of Rance Velapoldi
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:06 AM
> To: S-Scale Group; S-trains yahoo
> Subject: [S-Trains] "nut drivers"
>
> Hi all:
> One of the hex headed machine screws that holds the side/drive rods on
> my AM 4-8-4 came loose. I looked for some nut drivers that I thought I
> had, but couldn't find them at home (typical). I checked with Micro
> Mark and they have a few sets sets, in metric and inch. Has anybody
> used either of those and which would be better for the engine side
> rods? I assume that the metric would be best since the engines are made
> in China - however, maybe the manufacturers (AM, SHS, etc.) might make a
> suggestion. Does anyone have any other suggestions besides MicroMark
> where I can order them and have them sent to California???
> Thanks in advance for any advice.
> Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
> ps Any suggestions for a loc tite material to hold machine screws in?
> Might as well order both together.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67957 From: Dave Winslow Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Re: "nut drivers"
On 1/26/2012 9:47 PM, Bob Hendrickson wrote:
> How about buying a 1/4 inch drive metric socket set with a
> screwdriver handle? I have in both metric & fractional sizes
> for small repairs.
>
> Bob

Hi

Good nut drivers have hollow cores so they can reach nuts
run down long bolt shafts. They act like Deep sockets.
Beware the cheap nut drivers that do not.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67958 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Re: "nut drivers"
Hi Carl:
Thanks for info! I thought that MicroMark had good nut drivers (German
made, which is usually not bad?). Someone said that Sears also had good
ones at a lower price. I will be going to the US in about 6 days, so I
could check a few places there. Unfortunately, I need to order them
from MicroM if I am to get them the first 4 days in MD visiting son. Oh
well, will make a decision over the weekend.
thanks again
Rance

On 1/27/2012 03:35, carl@... wrote:
>
> Rance,
>
> The screw is a 4mm.
>
> I have a set of Micro Mark Metric nutdrivers and they are first class.
>
> Carl
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67959 From: piccu56 Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Re: restringing 944 brownhoist crane
When I sold the original string to do this job I sold it in 2 foot lengths. That is more than enough. You can always spool any extra up, within limits, by turning the crank.

David


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike gardner <tamerlane_46@...> wrote:
>
> I have a 944 hoist that needs restringing and can not find out how long the new strings should be. Does anyone know the proper length string that a 944  uses. Thank all of you for your help .  Mike Gardner
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67960 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Re: Next AF by Lionel Diesel speculation
Something relatively modern for the hobby and "later" than the SD-40, I
suspect.

BTW, my and my friend's E-L U33C's are both operating just fine, as well.

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 1/27/2012 6:42:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

IF the U33C proves successful (my second EL is a good one so far), what
diesel TMCC project do you think Lionel will do for AF? Maybe the SD-40 they
chose not to produce awhile back? Hoping for a dummy too....

Art




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67961 From: Roy Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: FNF - New Foamcore Structure
I put a picture article on my MRH blog at:
http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/6857

Roy Hoffman
Group: S-Trains Message: 67962 From: Mike Kaiser Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: S gauge shops IL and Wis
Just wondering of some hobby/model shops that carry S/ American flyer in North Chicago or the Milwaukee area that has a good selection?
Group: S-Trains Message: 67963 From: Roy Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Re: FNF - New Foamcore Structure
This was origially intended for the S-scale group, but I sent it here by mistake. There's nothing wrong with including it to this group, but I guess I should explain a few things. "FNF" is for "Friday Night Fun" in which some of the group members share what they've done for the current week. Also, "MRH" stands for "Model Railroad Hobbyist" which is an on-line e-zine at http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com

Roy Hoffman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <royhoffman@...> wrote:
>
> I put a picture article on my MRH blog at:
> http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/6857
>
> Roy Hoffman
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67964 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Re: FNF - New Foamcore Structure
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington,Texas
 
Roy,
 
You do good work. Looks real. Now you gave me an idea for a bare wall I have,but mine will only be half . I need a three dimention of the Fort Worth , where tower 55 is. Problem is I dont have room to do that much.. I'm working with a 4x6 space. I'll figure something out. Thanks for sharing.
� Alan


________________________________
From: Roy <royhoffman@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 9:51 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] FNF - New Foamcore Structure



 

I put a picture article on my MRH blog at:
http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/6857

Roy Hoffman




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67965 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Re: FNF - New Foamcore Structure
Hi Roy,

That is very impressive. I like the explanation and the kitting process
and I really like the results.

Thanks,
Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida


On 1/27/2012 10:51 PM, Roy wrote:
> I put a picture article on my MRH blog at:
> http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/6857
>
> Roy Hoffman
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 67966 From: David Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: NEW #302 Pilot Truck (Advertisement)
We should have a replacement for the #302, etc. pilot truck in the very
near future. Milled out of mild steel this truck should take care of the
derailment problems that plaque most of the AF engines of this type.
Cost: some where in the neighborhood of $6.95 ea. which includes
shipping in CONUS.
Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. [:D]
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67967 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Next AF by Lionel STEAM speculation
Well, wild speculation on my part--and wishing, I suppose, although
my budget hopes this isn't coming soon!
SP Cab Forward! I think most of the challenger tooling could be used
to create this next "monster" locomotive.
Barring that, an SP GP Daylight built on the Northern chassis.
S'
David D.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67968 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: January 28, 1962
50 years ago the last trolley’s in Washington DC ran.

Basically, it was General Motors, Greyhound bus and Firestone, that was behind all of this, which I knew. Get rid of the trolley, sell more cars, tires and bus rides, gas was cheap, 20 cents a gallon maybe in 1962. Some of the trolley tracks are still in the roads, especially in Georgetown and they are very slippery when wet.

Then in 1973 the country got hit by the energy crisis and we needed this trolley system bad.

Trolley’s are set to start running soon in DC on H St., which was a area that was badly hit during the riots of April, 1968, which I remember very well. Driving on H street you thought you where in Europe and back in WW2, which I was not around for. But H street has come back very well with housing and shoppes.

There is a article about the demise of the DC Trolleys in the Washington Post Metro page.

www.washingtonpost.com/metro

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67969 From: Alan Lambert Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Re: FNF - New Foamcore Structure
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer Club
� Arlington, Texas
 
Roy,
Thanks again for cross posting . Some of us like what you have done. Go to our club 's website and look at our new vidio showing our new scene. We just got through with our Plano, Texas train show with our scale club (Trinity S Scalers) set up with us.
Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: Roy <royhoffman@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:13 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: FNF - New Foamcore Structure



 

This was origially intended for the S-scale group, but I sent it here by mistake. There's nothing wrong with including it to this group, but I guess I should explain a few things. "FNF" is for "Friday Night Fun" in which some of the group members share what they've done for the current week. Also, "MRH" stands for "Model Railroad Hobbyist" which is an on-line e-zine at http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com

Roy Hoffman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <royhoffman@...> wrote:
>
> I put a picture article on my MRH blog at:
> http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/6857
>
> Roy Hoffman
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67970 From: Steve Lunde Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Re: S gauge shops IL and Wis
Hiawatha Hobbies in Waukesha, WI carrys American Models and AF.

Steve Lunde

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Kaiser
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:02 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] S gauge shops IL and Wis



Just wondering of some hobby/model shops that carry S/ American flyer in North Chicago or the Milwaukee area that has a good selection?




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Group: S-Trains Message: 67971 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/29/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday January 29, 2012
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67972 From: Brady Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Re: FNF - New Foamcore Structure
Fantastic work!

Brady


> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <royhoffman@> wrote:
> >
> > I put a picture article on my MRH blog at:
> > http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/6857
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> > Roy Hoffman
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67973 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: AFL UP Video Posted
Hi All,

Ok - I fell off the anti-AFL band wagon. Actually I was pushed. Tracie got me the AFL UP set for our anniversary. She added the two extra cars and the PB unit for Christmas. As usual I had to repair the dummy A unit. The headlight did not work so I assumed it needed a new bulb - wrong. The wire to the bulb was loose and had fallen out of the wire nut. Funny thing the other wires in the wire nut were soldered together, but no solder on the wire from the bulb. A simple repair but still a repair on an AFL N-I-B engine.

You can see the AFL set on YouTube here:

http://tinyurl.com/7hly3z9

Have fun and view my other videos!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 67974 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Train Book Video Posted
Hi All,

Tracie made a book showing our progress on the layout. She made the book on line at Walgreens and picked it up there.

You can see a video on the book on YouTube:

http://tinyurl.com/6vokm5w

Have fun and check out my other YouTube videos!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 67975 From: rick gough Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Re: NEW #302 Pilot Truck (Advertisement)
Good news, Dave. One of my biggest battles has been modifying my brother's origional 1953 302 to vreate more suspension travel for the pilot. It took a lot of filing and grinding but now has the greatest travel of all my loco's and never again derails off the curve at the top of the tressle! 312's also had big problems in this area, which ACG seemed to recast for better suspension travel by around 1950; still haven't figured out exactly how they changed them.


rick gough
 datsun 510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67976 From: Brady Burdge Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Z-4000 Remote Commander System
MTH stopped selling the (conventional) Remote Commander System for
their Z-4000 transformer, but I managed to find one at a local show

http://www.mthtrains.com/content/40-4001

The remote puts the transformer controls in your hand, adds a
brake/boost rocker switch and a panic button. Set-up is very easy. A
slider on the remote allows you to switch between track 1 and track 2.

With additional receivers (still catalogued) you can control up to three
Z-4000's (six tracks) with one remote.

In the past I've run conventional with the Lionel CAB-1 and a TPC, but I
find the thumb wheel and the LED voltage readout on the MTH remote
easier to use.

The MTH product only works with the Z-4000 transformer, so the Lionel
CAB-1/PM set-up is probably the best remote control solution for vintage
Lionel and Gilbert transformers. There should be plenty of CAB-1's and
PowerMasters still out there.

If you've got a Z-4000 transformer keep your eyes open for the Remote
Commander System


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 67977 From: Tom David Date: 1/28/2012
Subject: Re: S gauge shops IL and Wis
Try Summerfields in Milwaukee have you gone to the DuPage county train show usually 2nd full wekend of every month. at DuPage county fairgrounds.

Tom



Tom David

For a great Florida Vacation click here
A great 3 bedroom vacation condo near Disney World Fl.



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From: Mike Kaiser <mike.kaiser@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:28 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] S gauge shops IL and Wis




Just wondering of some hobby/model shops that carry S/ American flyer in North Chicago or the Milwaukee area that has a good selection?






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Group: S-Trains Message: 67978 From: fnmichong Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Problem
Thanks for all the suggestions. The problem has been resolved by providing more slack in the wires to both sets of drivers. Not sure whether it was the IR connection or the chuff cherry switch connection. Engine works fine now.

Thanks again.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:
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> Thanks for the information I'll open it up and see if that is the problem.
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> From: rj4010d <bjg@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:17 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Challenger Problem
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> I had the front motor stop also.Lionel ( China) has used a VERY NON FLEXABLE wire in these engines & the wire to the motors has to flex.Mine had NO slak in the wire to left front motor & it broke off at the motor inside the shrink wrap.Pulled a little slak from harness & resoldered.
> Good luck.
> Bob Guckian
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@> wrote:
> >
> > Had the same exact problem with one of  my Challengers. I took it to my authorized Lionel repair shop but got it back without the problem being solved.  I have two challengers the one with the problem had no slack in the wires leading to the IR sensor.  I opened up the locomotive which was easy and traced the IR sensor wires into a bundle of wires. I gently pulled out of the bundle the wires leading to the IR sensor to give it a lot more slack. Put it back together and the sound has worked fine.  Now it is going back to the repair shop because the front motor stopped running last night.  Less than seven hours of run time on the locomotive. Since it is under warrenty Lionel is going to have to pay for the costs to fixed it. 
> >
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> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: fnmichong <fnmichong@>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:46 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Challenger Problem
> >
> >
> >  
> > I have a Lionel/AF 4-6-6-4 that stops chuffing when going around a curve (Gilbert track). Chuffing resumes on the straight. I suspect the chuff sensor has a problem. Anybody know where that is located? Other data: tender is ok (swapped tenders), IR coupler is ok (whistle works even when chuffing stops), chuffing is ok backing up.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67979 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: UP/Train Book
David, good stuff both. Nice to see a "car guy" model railroader's layout with lots of nice cars. Liked the real Mustang too!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 67980 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: AFL HAR #1 Set Video
Hi All,

Since I had pretty good luck with the AFL UP set, I decided to purchase the AFL HAR #1 set from Elliot (an S-Trains group member). Everything was perfect right out of the boxes.

You can see the AFL HAR #1 set on YouTube here:

http://youtu.be/aG1Ii02HU1A

Have fun and view my other videos!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 67981 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: IF you have not been to Paradise
THIS is what you missed---


_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXO65tNaEAw_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXO65tNaEAw)


Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67982 From: rxman46321@aol.com Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: Wheelset trade
Do you have scale wheelsets from your S-Helper cars laying around? I have Hi-rails sets to trade. Willing to pay postage both ways.

John Griffin
219-742-6337
Group: S-Trains Message: 67983 From: hjsheffield Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: Kits for sale
Hi group

I have a SMMW 44 tonner for sale at a reduced from a price of $345 to $275. Also low side gons at $42.00

Also an SHS ATSF A unit in warbonnet with locomatic $300, and an SHS 2-8-0 AF Compatible undec with sound $475.00.

Lionel AF bag smashers at $50.00

Trainstuff LLC Wosleys Woolen Mill from $119.95 now $85.00
Grand River Middleton & Sons Warehouse from $375 down to $315.00
Ragg's Dolores Foreman's house $75
Ouray Depot $148.00
Placeville Depot $108.00
Telluride Bath House $65.00
Brunswick Saloon $56.00
Mine Buildings set 1 $56.00

SHS B&LE Ore car set A from $179.95 down to $115.00
SHS CM&IR Ore car sets A and B from 179.95 down to $115.00 each.

All items are NIB and are plus postage.
Please contact me off list for these or requests for current inventories.

Howard Sheffield
Group: S-Trains Message: 67984 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/29/2012, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67985 From: Dennis Back Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: Track Gang-- your opinions, please
Hi,

I was looking at David's (bull_gator_1) great videos on youtube and saw the Track Gang video.

I am an accessory nut and have almost all of the AF accessories, which I started collecting when I was a kid.

But....I have never purchased a Track Gang.  It just looks too out of place with the tall track workers. I was wondering if any of you share the same opinion?  Are there others besides me that have NOT purchased a Track Gang for this reason?  And yes, I realize that this was designed pre-war,  before AC Gilbert came out with the smaller S gauge.

BTW....David's Track Gang link is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRxOxASj1vQ&list=UUL1aZq5xqHIYPavjZ9gtTyg&index=9&feature=plcp

or.....http://tinyurl.com/89mjv9a

Dennis,
So. FL

















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Group: S-Trains Message: 67986 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: Re: Track Gang-- your opinions, please
My track gang is lowered into my table.

Mike

From: Dennis Back
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Track Gang-- your opinions, please


Hi,

I was looking at David's (bull_gator_1) great videos on youtube and saw the Track Gang video.

I am an accessory nut and have almost all of the AF accessories, which I started collecting when I was a kid.

But....I have never purchased a Track Gang. It just looks too out of place with the tall track workers. I was wondering if any of you share the same opinion? Are there others besides me that have NOT purchased a Track Gang for this reason? And yes, I realize that this was designed pre-war, before AC Gilbert came out with the smaller S gauge.

BTW....David's Track Gang link is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRxOxASj1vQ&list=UUL1aZq5xqHIYPavjZ9gtTyg&index=9&feature=plcp

or.....http://tinyurl.com/89mjv9a

Dennis,
So. FL

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67987 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 1/29/2012
Subject: Re: Track Gang-- your opinions, please
Hi Dennis,
                      If you have all those other accessories, you may want to know that 779 Louie and 787 Log Loader man, Gabe the Lamplighter, 586 Wayside Station figures, Sam the Semaphore Man, Flyerville Figures,
#35 Brakeman, Mike & Ike Handcar Men, and the 770 Loading Platfrom Man are 1:48 and the same size as the Track Gang figures.  Figures that are "S" Scale are the PA13A880 Caboose Man, PA13A445 Moe & Joe and Smitty figures, PA14A272 Samill Man and PA14A272A Billy the Baggage Smasher.  The XA11650 Man and the XA11651 Woman are close the 1/64 scale may be a little small, same with the steers in the stockyard.
I don't believe the larger figures are going to stop A merican Flyer guys from using the Track Gang.
                 Tom Seccia



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From: Dennis Back <backden@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:26 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Track Gang-- your opinions, please


 
Hi,

I was looking at David's (bull_gator_1) great videos on youtube and saw the Track Gang video.

I am an accessory nut and have almost all of the AF accessories, which I started collecting when I was a kid.

But....I have never purchased a Track Gang.  It just looks too out of place with the tall track workers. I was wondering if any of you share the same opinion?  Are there others besides me that have NOT purchased a Track Gang for this reason?  And yes, I realize that this was designed pre-war,  before AC Gilbert came out with the smaller S gauge.

BTW....David's Track Gang link is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRxOxASj1vQ&list=UUL1aZq5xqHIYPavjZ9gtTyg&index=9&feature=plcp

or.....http://tinyurl.com/89mjv9a

Dennis,
So. FL

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67988 From: R G Date: 1/30/2012
Subject: Re: Track Gang-- your opinions, please
I have a excellent repo of the track gang that functions like the original and had it long before Lionel came out with one.  It is definately one cool accessory but loud!  So it is not one that you would be operationg all of the time. I like it and I am glad I have it.



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From: Dennis Back <backden@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:26 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Track Gang-- your opinions, please


 
Hi,

I was looking at David's (bull_gator_1) great videos on youtube and saw the Track Gang video.

I am an accessory nut and have almost all of the AF accessories, which I started collecting when I was a kid.

But....I have never purchased a Track Gang.  It just looks too out of place with the tall track workers. I was wondering if any of you share the same opinion?  Are there others besides me that have NOT purchased a Track Gang for this reason?  And yes, I realize that this was designed pre-war,  before AC Gilbert came out with the smaller S gauge.

BTW....David's Track Gang link is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRxOxASj1vQ&list=UUL1aZq5xqHIYPavjZ9gtTyg&index=9&feature=plcp

or.....http://tinyurl.com/89mjv9a

Dennis,
So. FL

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67989 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/30/2012
Subject: Re: Track Gang-- your opinions, please
Hi Dennis,

The track workers are all related to me - I'm 6'-4" - lol.

Seriously I think they fit in alright. It's difficult to stay within scale when very little is made exactly to 1/64.

I plan to copy Mike and lower my track gang into the layout when I work my way around to finish that section. I'm also thinking maybe take a section of beat up track and give them something to hammer away at.

Have fun!

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Back <backden@...> wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> I was looking at David's (bull_gator_1) great videos on youtube and saw the Track Gang video.
>
> I am an accessory nut and have almost all of the AF accessories, which I started collecting when I was a kid.
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> But....I have never purchased a Track Gang.  It just looks too out of place with the tall track workers. I was wondering if any of you share the same opinion?  Are there others besides me that have NOT purchased a Track Gang for this reason?  And yes, I realize that this was designed pre-war,  before AC Gilbert came out with the smaller S gauge.
>
> BTW....David's Track Gang link is:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRxOxASj1vQ&list=UUL1aZq5xqHIYPavjZ9gtTyg&index=9&feature=plcp
>
> or.....http://tinyurl.com/89mjv9a
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> Dennis,
> So. FL
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67990 From: Bill Clark Date: 1/30/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger and U33C Smoke Problems
My club had 2 Challenger's and a U33C running most of Sunday afternoon
at the Amherst Railroad Society's train show in Springfield, MA.
http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/hampden/2012-railroad-hobby-show-held-at-big-e

We double-headed to challengers pulling 32 cars, and had the U33C on the
same loop pulling a shorter train. At the end we removed the challengers
and had the U33C pulling both trains with no apparent strain. We had
lots of great comments and conversations with visitors about those
locos, they were very well received.

The bad news is that they all have smoke issues. And my club loves
smoke! We had to run a 1952 Northern (converted to DCC) to get some
smoke happening!

Anyway, the U33C was new out of the box. We lubed it, put in 20 drops,
and sent it out. It ran most of the morning Saturday with a nice, steady
output of smoke and everyone loved it. Eventually (maybe 2 hours?) the
smoke started to lessen, so we stopped and added another 15 drops. The
smoke did not increase, and shortly pretty much stopped. The rest of the
weekend there was no visible smoke.

The Challengers are on their 3rd show. The club's unit smoked great at
the first show, for the first day. The second day, the smoke became
intermittent. It seems that the smoke is being generated fine, but most
of the time the fan doesn't run. I've had this unit apart, and the
material that soaks up the fluid is very dense. The fluid reservoir,
when the material is removed, seems very clean and dry. The fan turns
easily, and there are no visible loose connections or strained wires.
There was fluid on the pc board which is the top of the reservoir. (any
idea why there is so much electronics to run a smoke unit?). I cleaned
the board with a paper towel, did not use alcohol or anything else. I
ran the loco with the boiler off, and the fan would operate normally for
a while, then stop. I did not notice a correlation between the time the
smoke unit was running (heat) and the fan operation. Running it for an
hour or so with the boiler off, the fan operated 4 or 5 times, probably
for a total of 7-10 minutes. When the fan ran, smoke production was
good. This testing was last Thursday, so I reassembled it for the show.

The other Challenger (owned by a member) has not been apart. Its fan has
been operating fine, but the is almost no smoke production. With the two
running yesterday, the unit with no fan had quite a lot of smoke
drifting out of the stack. The other unit would show 30 seconds or so of
good smoke when fluid was added, then almost no smoke. It did show some
puffs when starting, as if some smoke had accumulated while it was stopped.

Both Challengers will come apart this week, and I'll report what
happens. I'm assuming the second one needs a repositioning of the
heater, it's probably not touching the wick. The other one, I'll try
cleaning the board with alcohol, then go from there.

The U33C I expect will go back to Lionel for repair.

By the way, please don't read this as a complaint. I'm reporting in the
interest of us helping each other work through issues. The Challengers
are amazingly easy to take apart and work on. If none of them were ever
to smoke again (and there is no chance of that) I would still be very
excited and happy with these locos! You should have seen and heard those
double-headed Challengers! The U33C is the first diesel I've had with
smoke, and that is a very nice bonus. But without smoke it would still
be a great loco!

Bill


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Group: S-Trains Message: 67991 From: Dennis Back Date: 1/30/2012
Subject: Re: Track Gang-- your opinions, please
>>>>From: Tom Seccia:
>>>Hi Dennis,

                      >>>>If you have all those other accessories, you may
want to know that 779 Louie and 787 Log Loader man, Gabe the Lamplighter..........are 1:48 and the same size as the Track Gang figures.....
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Hi Tom and the rest of the bunch that replied to my question.

Thanks VERY much for setting me straight on the size. Yes, I have all the above accessories and have no problems with their size ratio(s). 

It goes to show you (or more importanly, ME) that pictures and video can be misleading showing size and ratios.  I am really surprised to know that the Track Gang are the same scale and not giant monsters better suited for O gauge or larger.   LOL!

I like Mike's idea of lowering the base to make it flush with the ground. 

I've just been told that I'm going to be a first-time grandfather in August, so maybe I should dust off my layout, and add the Track Gang. 

In any event, I have another very pressing question for you all and I will be posting it soon.

Thanks again for the replies,

Dennis

















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Group: S-Trains Message: 67992 From: Cary Date: 1/30/2012
Subject: 720a controller lever centering spring
A spring on my 720a turnout controller has broken. This is the spring that returns the controller lever to center. Does anyone know if replacements are available, and if so, where and how much? Dimensions are 1 inch total length tab-end to tab-end, with approx 1/2 inch diameter of the spring coil. Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Cary
Group: S-Trains Message: 67993 From: albert paolozzi Date: 1/30/2012
Subject: Re: S scale parts and stuff
Hello Carey
I am starting to list on e-bay some of the scale stuff that i came across.  Kind of overwhelming.  Lots of wheels (s) scale, metal castings of various engine details. Brass components like for kit bashing an engine.  You can look up the few things i have listed on e-bay under seller ID   uncleal1701

--- On Thu, 1/26/12, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote:

From: Carey Probst <s-scale@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S scale parts and stuff
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 26, 2012, 6:02 AM

S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sn3@yahoogroups.com

would be the best choices if any of it is suitable for narrow gauge

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 1/25/2012 8:50 PM, albert paolozzi wrote:
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> To the S trains list group. I have just recently picked up a LOT of S
> Scale parts and wheels (brass) and armatures and a lot of things that
> I am not sure what they are for in S scale. I am intending to photo it
> in lots as best that I can and offer it up a little at a time in lots
> on e-bay. I am into Flyer hi rail and don't know what the interest
> level is for S Scale. My e-mail is amflyral@...
> <mailto:amflyral%40yahoo.com>. Anyone that is interested in S scale
> stuff can contact me and I will do my best to get back to you. Is
> there another list that I should be addressing rather than this group?
> Thanks in advance. Al Paolozzi
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Group: S-Trains Message: 67994 From: rick gough Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: Track Gang-- your opinions, please
My layout is much about accessories also and I have been of similar feelings. The Track gang really doesn't do much though for pre-war it was probably exciting. Scale wouldn't keep me away because a lot of the accessories are really O or bigger; but cost of origionals for what you get doesn't compute for me, being much more 'operator' than 'collector'.  I feel much the same about ole Gabe, but did add the Lionel version as it is pretty exact to the origional with the improvement of Gabe actually turning on the floods. Scale is also very good with this one and it works reasonably well. I did almost bid on a used Lionel version of the Track Gang.....


rick gough

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67995 From: Jimbo Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: work gang
it looks out of place, but it would look nice if you set it up right ie a new passanger terminal being built, one being torn down? are maybe near a tunnel, are just setting up a construction site with kit bashing near the track, it has possiblities, now if i had the money hehe
Group: S-Trains Message: 67996 From: Bob Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Winter, 2012 Issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide
Good morning. I am pleased to announce that the Winter, 2012 issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide is now available! This is the first issue as an e-zine and already some nice comments are coming my way.

Subscribers started getting their PDF copy this morning. If you are a subscriber and haven't received your e-mail with the magazine attached yet, it is either because I don't have an e-mail address for you or the one I have has been rejected (I have about 40 of those so far). I will be sending out (via snail mail) a contact information update form. If you get one, please fill it out and return it as soon as possible so I can get your issue out to you.

If your subscription expires with this issue or the next issue, I will be sending out renewal invoices (either via e-mail or with the contact information update form).

The Website has been updated and the issue is now available for sale.

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
www.1-64ModelingGuide.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 67997 From: mike gardner Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Thank You
I would like to thank all of you who answered my question of restring the 944 crane. Again THANK  YOU all for your help it really looked great when I finished. Mike Gardner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 67998 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: 785 Coal Loader Problem
Hi S-members. I have an AF 785 Coal Loader and I can't get the clam shell
to open and close to pick up or release the coal. All three buttons work -
green down; red up; and middle button to make the chute work. Is it
possible that I crossed the wires at the clam shell connection? I'm using
Doug Peck's wiring diagram to trouble shoot, but I still have a wire out of
place to make the clam work. Any help out there is appreciated. Thanks
and have a great day.



Bob - aftrains4u



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Group: S-Trains Message: 67999 From: Ronald Prucha Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: 785 Coal Loader Problem
Red button up should close the clam shell.  Coil may be shot on clamshell or the
clamshell frozen up.  Release red button should stop up motion and open
clamshell  Make sure wiring is connected to coil on clamshell.

Ron




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From: Bob Iannacone <biannaco@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, January 31, 2012 11:18:04 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] 785 Coal Loader Problem

 


Hi S-members. I have an AF 785 Coal Loader and I can't get the clam shell
to open and close to pick up or release the coal. All three buttons work -
green down; red up; and middle button to make the chute work. Is it
possible that I crossed the wires at the clam shell connection? I'm using
Doug Peck's wiring diagram to trouble shoot, but I still have a wire out of
place to make the clam work. Any help out there is appreciated. Thanks
and have a great day.

Bob - aftrains4u

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68000 From: David Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
We have found a new auction site that we will be giving a try out.
Unlike EBAY the fees are more than reasonable which permits us to lower
our prices to be more in line with our own web site. For everyone here
that has had it with Ebay you might give it a look see.

THIS NEW SITE IS FOR MODEL TRAINS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS.

We will be transfering most of our "O" gage decals there as well as a
lot of our "S" items and will more than likely be doing our auctions
there in future.

Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68001 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: 785 Coal Loader Problem
Thanks for those tips Ron on the 785. I’ll run tests on your troubleshooting suggestions.



Bob



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronald Prucha
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:46 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 785 Coal Loader Problem





Red button up should close the clam shell. Coil may be shot on clamshell or the
clamshell frozen up. Release red button should stop up motion and open
clamshell Make sure wiring is connected to coil on clamshell.

Ron

________________________________
From: Bob Iannacone <biannaco@... <mailto:biannaco%40bellsouth.net> >
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, January 31, 2012 11:18:04 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] 785 Coal Loader Problem



Hi S-members. I have an AF 785 Coal Loader and I can't get the clam shell
to open and close to pick up or release the coal. All three buttons work -
green down; red up; and middle button to make the chute work. Is it
possible that I crossed the wires at the clam shell connection? I'm using
Doug Peck's wiring diagram to trouble shoot, but I still have a wire out of
place to make the clam work. Any help out there is appreciated. Thanks
and have a great day.

Bob - aftrains4u

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68002 From: Rich Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Dave -- what's the URL for the site?

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> We have found a new auction site that we will be giving a try out.
> Unlike EBAY the fees are more than reasonable which permits us to lower
> our prices to be more in line with our own web site. For everyone here
> that has had it with Ebay you might give it a look see.
>
> THIS NEW SITE IS FOR MODEL TRAINS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS.
>
> We will be transfering most of our "O" gage decals there as well as a
> lot of our "S" items and will more than likely be doing our auctions
> there in future.
>
> Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
> 502-292-1872
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68003 From: flyerguy63 Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Silver Flash diesel
Hi all

I have an AF Silver flash diesel on my 5 x 12 flat layout and the problem I an having is when the train gets to a point opposit of the power connectors the train slows down to almost a stop then picks up speed again. I have cleaned the track checked for tight connections all the basic stuff but still have the problem. Could it be my transformer is getting weak or possably my wireing to the track is too thin?
Thanks again for all the help
Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 68004 From: Richard Falzini Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: Silver Flash diesel
I have an 8'x24' layout and I use a 300 watt 30B transformer, I experienced this same problem as well.
So, I ran jumpers about every 2 feet so I would not lose power and my trains (both diesel and steam) would not lose continuity.

By the way, I also have a Silver Flash 477-478 and 3 brown stripes and it runs fine.

I bought my 477-478 about 20 years ago for $250.00 and the 3 brown stripes for $75.00.

Boy I would love some of those deals again.

Rich in Cleveland




>________________________________
> From: flyerguy63 <flyerguy63@...>
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 2:02 PM
>Subject: [S-Trains] Silver Flash diesel
>
>

>Hi all
>
>I have an AF Silver flash diesel on my 5 x 12 flat layout and the problem I an having is when the train gets to a point opposit of the power connectors the train slows down to almost a stop then picks up speed again. I have cleaned the track checked for tight connections all the basic stuff but still have the problem. Could it be my transformer is getting weak or possably my wireing to the track is too thin?
>Thanks again for all the help
>Mark
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68005 From: Larry Asp Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: Silver Flash diesel
This happens with my layout too - power drops off the further away an engine gets from the electrical feed point. One trick is to parallel feed your track at the opposite side or at intervals. Be sure your track pieces fit snugly - both sides. Clean the tips, and bend them slightly outwards before fitting together - use contact cleaner on the female joint too, check each piece for shorts or leakage as the insulation could break down, and keep your track clean. (Get a didigtal ohmmeter for this). Check your switches and keep the contact points on the bottom clean - use electrical contact cleaner (Deoxit is great stuff). Use a high wattage transformer. Let your engine warm run around and loosen up - the effect may not be as pronounced. If you run can motors, the effect is less pronounced. Replace track pieces in the area where it slows. The engine might need cleaning or oiling too, and the pick up wheels might need a cleaning. Do other Flyer locomotives you have exhibit a slow down too?

On 2012-01-31, at 2:02 PM, flyerguy63 wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I have an AF Silver flash diesel on my 5 x 12 flat layout and the problem I an having is when the train gets to a point opposit of the power connectors the train slows down to almost a stop then picks up speed again. I have cleaned the track checked for tight connections all the basic stuff but still have the problem. Could it be my transformer is getting weak or possably my wireing to the track is too thin?
> Thanks again for all the help
> Mark
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68006 From: Robert Conner Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: Silver Flash diesel
Mark..... You really need to put a feeder about every 6-8 feet..... My layout is 4x8 and I have one at the Tranny and 1 on the far side of the layout.... Runs smooth.... Bob Conner

--- On Tue, 1/31/12, flyerguy63 <flyerguy63@...> wrote:


From: flyerguy63 <flyerguy63@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Silver Flash diesel
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 2:02 PM



 



Hi all

I have an AF Silver flash diesel on my 5 x 12 flat layout and the problem I an having is when the train gets to a point opposit of the power connectors the train slows down to almost a stop then picks up speed again. I have cleaned the track checked for tight connections all the basic stuff but still have the problem. Could it be my transformer is getting weak or possably my wireing to the track is too thin?
Thanks again for all the help
Mark








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Group: S-Trains Message: 68007 From: R G Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: Silver Flash diesel
Run some feeder wires from the tranformer to the other side where the diesel slows down.  This is the best solution.  I have read where some individuals have feeder wires to the track every four to six feet to prevent what you are discribing.



________________________________
From: flyerguy63 <flyerguy63@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 2:02 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Silver Flash diesel


 
Hi all

I have an AF Silver flash diesel on my 5 x 12 flat layout and the problem I an having is when the train gets to a point opposit of the power connectors the train slows down to almost a stop then picks up speed again. I have cleaned the track checked for tight connections all the basic stuff but still have the problem. Could it be my transformer is getting weak or possably my wireing to the track is too thin?
Thanks again for all the help
Mark




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68008 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: Silver Flash diesel
Hi Mark,

I have an 11' x 12' layout with three interconnected loops of track. I have a common (ground) bus that runs around the layout and three buses (positive) with one feeding each loop. I use two 30B transformers that are in phase to allow the common base (ground) to work. My track is connected every three to four track pieces to both the ground bus and the appropriate positive bus. I have a fourth bus that provides a constant 18V from one of the 30Bs for accessories. Some have said this is overkill, but it gives me constant voltage on all track sections and bus wire is relatively cheap. Sounds confusing I know. This set up allows me to run three trains - one on each loop. Or I can tie all three loops together and run one train anywhere on the layout from any of the 30B throttles. One day I plan to fire up AutoCad and make a drawing of the layout and all the wiring system.

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "flyerguy63" <flyerguy63@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I have an AF Silver flash diesel on my 5 x 12 flat layout and the problem I an having is when the train gets to a point opposit of the power connectors the train slows down to almost a stop then picks up speed again. I have cleaned the track checked for tight connections all the basic stuff but still have the problem. Could it be my transformer is getting weak or possably my wireing to the track is too thin?
> Thanks again for all the help
> Mark
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68009 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl
 
This site is just starting up
 


--- On Tue, 1/31/12, Rich <richs009@...> wrote:


From: Rich <richs009@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 12:52 PM



 



Dave -- what's the URL for the site?

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> We have found a new auction site that we will be giving a try out.
> Unlike EBAY the fees are more than reasonable which permits us to lower
> our prices to be more in line with our own web site. For everyone here
> that has had it with Ebay you might give it a look see.
>
> THIS NEW SITE IS FOR MODEL TRAINS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS.
>
> We will be transfering most of our "O" gage decals there as well as a
> lot of our "S" items and will more than likely be doing our auctions
> there in future.
>
> Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
> 502-292-1872
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>








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Group: S-Trains Message: 68010 From: Bud Rindfleisch Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: looking for "single pin" step mount PA
Gentlemen:
I have a friend who is looking for a single AF PA in half way decent condition with the single pin step mounting. Anyone have one to sell? Please contact me off list.
Bud Rindfleisch
Group: S-Trains Message: 68011 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Hmm. Hotoz means just that Ho down to Z gauge - where does S go since it is
outside those parmeters? Alistair

On Wed 01/02/12 7:32 AM , Dave at LBR Enterprises lbrenterprisesllc@... sent:
> http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl [1]
>  
> This site is just starting up
>  
> --- On Tue, 1/31/12, Rich wrote:
> From: Rich
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
> To:
> Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
>  
> Dave -- what's the URL for the site?
> - Rich
> --- In , "David" wrote:
> >
> >
> > We have found a new auction site that we will be giving a try out.
> > Unlike EBAY the fees are more than reasonable which permits us to
> lower
> > our prices to be more in line with our own web site. For everyone
> here
> > that has had it with Ebay you might give it a look see.
> >
> > THIS NEW SITE IS FOR MODEL TRAINS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS.
> >
> > We will be transfering most of our "O" gage decals there as well
> as a
> > lot of our "S" items and will more than likely be doing our
> auctions
> > there in future.
> >
> > Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > LBR Enterprises,llc
> >
> > 502-292-1872
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> Links:
> ------
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68012 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
It Doesn't....There is no AF category. Mike


In a message dated 1/31/2012 5:33:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
alizoo@... writes:




Hmm. Hotoz means just that Ho down to Z gauge - where does S go since it is
outside those parmeters? Alistair

On Wed 01/02/12 7:32 AM , Dave at LBR Enterprises
_lbrenterprisesllc@..._ (mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@...) sent:
> _http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl_
(http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl) [1]
>
> This site is just starting up
>
> --- On Tue, 1/31/12, Rich wrote:
> From: Rich
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
> To:
> Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
>
> Dave -- what's the URL for the site?
> - Rich
> --- In , "David" wrote:
> >
> >
> > We have found a new auction site that we will be giving a try out.
> > Unlike EBAY the fees are more than reasonable which permits us to
> lower
> > our prices to be more in line with our own web site. For everyone
> here
> > that has had it with Ebay you might give it a look see.
> >
> > THIS NEW SITE IS FOR MODEL TRAINS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS.
> >
> > We will be transfering most of our "O" gage decals there as well
> as a
> > lot of our "S" items and will more than likely be doing our
> auctions
> > there in future.
> >
> > Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > LBR Enterprises,llc
> >
> > 502-292-1872
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> Links:
> ------
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(http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl)
> [8]
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68013 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
I visited the site. I see nothing for S gauge, nor do I see anything for American Flyer or Lionel. Hmmm.....

Bruce



From: alizoo@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:46 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)



Hmm. Hotoz means just that Ho down to Z gauge - where does S go since it is
outside those parmeters? Alistair

On Wed 01/02/12 7:32 AM , Dave at LBR Enterprises lbrenterprisesllc@... sent:
> http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl [1]
>
> This site is just starting up
>
> --- On Tue, 1/31/12, Rich wrote:
> From: Rich
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
> To:
> Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
>
> Dave -- what's the URL for the site?
> - Rich
> --- In , "David" wrote:
> >
> >
> > We have found a new auction site that we will be giving a try out.
> > Unlike EBAY the fees are more than reasonable which permits us to
> lower
> > our prices to be more in line with our own web site. For everyone
> here
> > that has had it with Ebay you might give it a look see.
> >
> > THIS NEW SITE IS FOR MODEL TRAINS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS.
> >
> > We will be transfering most of our "O" gage decals there as well
> as a
> > lot of our "S" items and will more than likely be doing our
> auctions
> > there in future.
> >
> > Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > LBR Enterprises,llc
> >
> > 502-292-1872
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl
> [8]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68014 From: mike rosz Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
HO, o, s, z.  fits alphabetical.  G does not



________________________________
From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)


 
Hmm. Hotoz means just that Ho down to Z gauge - where does S go since it is
outside those parmeters? Alistair

On Wed 01/02/12 7:32 AM , Dave at LBR Enterprises lbrenterprisesllc@... sent:
> http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl [1]
>  
> This site is just starting up
>  
> --- On Tue, 1/31/12, Rich wrote:
> From: Rich
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
> To:
> Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
>  
> Dave -- what's the URL for the site?
> - Rich
> --- In , "David" wrote:
> >
> >
> > We have found a new auction site that we will be giving a try out.
> > Unlike EBAY the fees are more than reasonable which permits us to
> lower
> > our prices to be more in line with our own web site. For everyone
> here
> > that has had it with Ebay you might give it a look see.
> >
> > THIS NEW SITE IS FOR MODEL TRAINS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS.
> >
> > We will be transfering most of our "O" gage decals there as well
> as a
> > lot of our "S" items and will more than likely be doing our
> auctions
> > there in future.
> >
> > Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > LBR Enterprises,llc
> >
> > 502-292-1872
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl
> [8]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68015 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: Silver Flash diesel
PVMR uses an 18 B, on our two "S" running tracks and they are fed every
four ft from # 14 busses, separate to each track. We can run A/C, D/C &
DCC by throwing switches or dropping DCC senders into the circuits. We
power the lighting and accessorie circuits with a 30 B.
Our control panel this year had 3 18 B's, one 30 B and a KW on it, plus 3
Bachmann Spectrum paks to power the D/C trains. We controlled a total of
6 trains ( O & S ) , 3 trolleys and one Gang Car from that panel. The KW
was eventually swapped out in favor of an 18 B, because the 18 B was much
more "controllable", far less erratic than the KW. The KW went on a
lighting circuit.

Plans now include re-working the control panel for next years operation,
adding more 30 B's.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 1/31/2012 4:56:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rfalzini@... writes:

I have an 8'x24' layout and I use a 300 watt 30B transformer, I
experienced this same problem as well.
So, I ran jumpers about every 2 feet so I would not lose power and my
trains (both diesel and steam) would not lose continuity.

By the way, I also have a Silver Flash 477-478 and 3 brown stripes and it
runs fine.

I bought my 477-478 about 20 years ago for $250.00 and the 3 brown stripes
for $75.00.

Boy I would love some of those deals again.

Rich in Cleveland






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Group: S-Trains Message: 68016 From: Frank Date: 1/31/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
It would be nice if then put the items in a scale. That is one great feature that eBay has.
Frank

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 31, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:

> http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl
>
> This site is just starting up
>
>
> --- On Tue, 1/31/12, Rich <richs009@...> wrote:
>
> From: Rich <richs009@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
>
>
>
> Dave -- what's the URL for the site?
>
> - Rich
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > We have found a new auction site that we will be giving a try out.
> > Unlike EBAY the fees are more than reasonable which permits us to lower
> > our prices to be more in line with our own web site. For everyone here
> > that has had it with Ebay you might give it a look see.
> >
> > THIS NEW SITE IS FOR MODEL TRAINS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS.
> >
> > We will be transfering most of our "O" gage decals there as well as a
> > lot of our "S" items and will more than likely be doing our auctions
> > there in future.
> >
> > Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > LBR Enterprises,llc
> >
> > 502-292-1872
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68017 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
We dont do things alphabetical its on gauge. Its Standard, 1 or G, O, S.
ho tt n z'. The auction obviously is designed to cover the 4 mice and insect
gauges. Alistair
On Wed 01/02/12 11:26 AM , mike rosz mikenguy9@... sent:
> HO, o, s, z.  fits alphabetical.  G does not
> ________________________________
> From: ""
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 6:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
>  
> Hmm. Hotoz means just that Ho down to Z gauge - where does S go
> since it is
> outside those parmeters? Alistair
> On Wed 01/02/12 7:32 AM , Dave at LBR Enterprises sent:
> > http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl [5] [1]
> >  
> > This site is just starting up
> >  
> > --- On Tue, 1/31/12, Rich wrote:
> > From: Rich
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
> > To:
> > Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
> >  
> > Dave -- what's the URL for the site?
> > - Rich
> > --- In , "David" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > We have found a new auction site that we will be giving a try
> out.
> > > Unlike EBAY the fees are more than reasonable which permits us
> to
> > lower
> > > our prices to be more in line with our own web site. For
> everyone
> > here
> > > that has had it with Ebay you might give it a look see.
> > >
> > > THIS NEW SITE IS FOR MODEL TRAINS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS.
> > >
> > > We will be transfering most of our "O" gage decals there as well
> > as a
> > > lot of our "S" items and will more than likely be doing our
> > auctions
> > > there in future.
> > >
> > > Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > LBR Enterprises,llc
> > >
> > > 502-292-1872
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > Links:
> > ------
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> > [8]
> >
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> [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68018 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: For sale: building kit, rerailers, track, rubber roadbed, handcar sh
S Scale Downtown Deco Blue Angel Smoke Shop and Tattoo Parlor kit in the original box with plaster castings wrapped in bubble wrap for protection.  It looks to me as if all the parts are there.  Some slight deterioration of the wall castings but overall Excellent condition.  It's not listed on the Downtown Deco website so I guess they don't make it any more.  I can't find a date on anything.  Based on the price of their current product line, I'd guess it's worth about $60.  Make offer.


3 #728 Rerailers.  Excellent condition - no cracks or breaks.  Nice rails.  TM Guide says $20 each.  Make offer.


Lots of straight and curved Gilbert track, some 7xx and some 267xx.  Some Excellent, some badly rusted, and lots in between.  5 cents to a dollar for curves; 10 cents to two dollars for straights.  Tell me how many you want in what price range.

Black rubber roadbed, mostly thin ties, but a bunch of wide ties.  Mostly excellent condition.  Not many Like New.  Some Very Good and a few not-so-good.  Most has Excellent to Very Good track in it.  50 cents for the worst pieces up to two dollars for the nicest.  Or you can pay me $15 apiece if you're the ebay buyer we all heard so much about!  Tell me how many you want in what price range.

741 Handcar Shed.  Red plastic roof is in Excellent condition - no breaks or cracks.  The door still has its handle and slides easily!    The white painted walls are dirty and have some discoloration; I'll see what I can do about that.  Three walls are nice and straight; the door end is slightly bent, but mostly at the top, under the roof, where viewers won't notice it.  The gray metal base has some spots of paint loss that have rusted; I plan to remove the rust with Never Dull and apply a light coat of oil to prevent re-rusting.I may be able to find a handcar to go with it if you need one.  I'd guess it's worth about $60; make offer.

Pictures available on request.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68019 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
From: Alan Lambert
 
Bruce,
Thats because it is that new. The "S" listing , LBR Enterprises wlii be there shortly. Give him time, and others will start showing up. Don't jump to conclutions yet. Fromwhat I saw it is 200% better than E-bay.
Thanks,
Alan


________________________________
From: "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)



 


I visited the site. I see nothing for S gauge, nor do I see anything for American Flyer or Lionel. Hmmm.....

Bruce

From: alizoo@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:46 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)

Hmm. Hotoz means just that Ho down to Z gauge - where does S go since it is
outside those parmeters? Alistair

On Wed 01/02/12 7:32 AM , Dave at LBR Enterprises lbrenterprisesllc@... sent:
> http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl [1]
>
> This site is just starting up
>
> --- On Tue, 1/31/12, Rich wrote:
> From: Rich
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
> To:
> Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
>
> Dave -- what's the URL for the site?
> - Rich
> --- In , "David" wrote:
> >
> >
> > We have found a new auction site that we will be giving a try out.
> > Unlike EBAY the fees are more than reasonable which permits us to
> lower
> > our prices to be more in line with our own web site. For everyone
> here
> > that has had it with Ebay you might give it a look see.
> >
> > THIS NEW SITE IS FOR MODEL TRAINS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS.
> >
> > We will be transfering most of our "O" gage decals there as well
> as a
> > lot of our "S" items and will more than likely be doing our
> auctions
> > there in future.
> >
> > Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > LBR Enterprises,llc
> >
> > 502-292-1872
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl
> [8]
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvdXM4aWJhBF9TAzk3Mz
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68020 From: Carey Probst Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Hobby Shops between central PA and Atlanta
I will be visiting Alpharetta Georgia in a few weeks and wondered if
there are any nice train stores along the way.

I will be driving from Central PA to Alpharetta along I-99, I-81
through VA then I-77 Through Winston-Salem Then I-85 through to
Atlanta/Alpharetta.

Scale, Sn3, Hi Rail and AF are all reasonable.

Thanks in advance,

Carey
--

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68021 From: David Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: BIG DISCOUNTS ;o) (advertisement)
Do you want to lessen your credit card fees and save money at the same
time? If you order by mail this is what you save:

1. Deduct 10% of your total for purchases of $25.00 or more. Use
CODE: LBR10-25 (may not be combined with any other offer) .
2. Deduct 20% of your total for purchases of $50.00 or more. Use
CODE: LBR20-50 (may not be combined with any other offer).
3.Deduct 30% of your total for purchases of $100.00 or more. Use
CODE: LBR30-100 (may not be combined with any other offer).
4. FREE SHIPPING in CONUS for orders made before December 31, 2012

DISCOUNTS DO NOT APPLY TO CUSTOM WORK

To take advantage of of these offers please go to our web site at
www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> and copy
the order form there to mail in. Please be sure to include your EMAIL
ADDRESS or PHONE NUMBER so we can inform you when your order & payment
arrives at LBR Enterprises,llc. MAKE ALL PAYMENTS TO: LBR
Enterprises,llc
5. When paid by Money Order or Cashiers check order ships next day.
Personal checks, order ships in 7 -10 day.

Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
P.O. Box 494
Goshen, KY 40026
502-292-1872.
dave@...
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68022 From: piccu56 Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
No Lionel category, No Standard Gauge category, No O category, No American Flyer category, No S Helper category, No S Gauge category, no MTH Category, No Williams category........

D

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl
>  
> This site is just starting up
>  
>
>
> --- On Tue, 1/31/12, Rich <richs009@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Rich <richs009@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Dave -- what's the URL for the site?
>
> - Rich
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > We have found a new auction site that we will be giving a try out.
> > Unlike EBAY the fees are more than reasonable which permits us to lower
> > our prices to be more in line with our own web site. For everyone here
> > that has had it with Ebay you might give it a look see.
> >
> > THIS NEW SITE IS FOR MODEL TRAINS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS.
> >
> > We will be transfering most of our "O" gage decals there as well as a
> > lot of our "S" items and will more than likely be doing our auctions
> > there in future.
> >
> > Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > LBR Enterprises,llc
> >
> > 502-292-1872
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68023 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
This site is just getting started. Please give it a chance
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc

--- On Tue, 1/31/12, alizoo@... <alizoo@...> wrote:


From: alizoo@... <alizoo@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 7:46 PM



 



Hmm. Hotoz means just that Ho down to Z gauge - where does S go since it is
outside those parmeters? Alistair

On Wed 01/02/12 7:32 AM , Dave at LBR Enterprises lbrenterprisesllc@... sent:
> http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl [1]
>  
> This site is just starting up
>  
> --- On Tue, 1/31/12, Rich wrote:
> From: Rich
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
> To:
> Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
>  
> Dave -- what's the URL for the site?
> - Rich
> --- In , "David" wrote:
> >
> >
> > We have found a new auction site that we will be giving a try out.
> > Unlike EBAY the fees are more than reasonable which permits us to
> lower
> > our prices to be more in line with our own web site. For everyone
> here
> > that has had it with Ebay you might give it a look see.
> >
> > THIS NEW SITE IS FOR MODEL TRAINS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS.
> >
> > We will be transfering most of our "O" gage decals there as well
> as a
> > lot of our "S" items and will more than likely be doing our
> auctions
> > there in future.
> >
> > Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > LBR Enterprises,llc
> >
> > 502-292-1872
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> Links:
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68024 From: Bill Clark Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Smoke Problems Resolved
An update on the Challenger smoke problems that I reported on last week
(message copied below).

The Club Challenger smoked well, but the fan was mostly not operational.
We tried cleaning the pc board which is part of the smoke unit with
contact cleaner. No luck. Tommy then removed the fan motor and tested it
on DC. It ran ok, but he noticed that the base of the motor was covered
in oil (we assume smoke fluid). So he cleaned out the motor, again with
contact cleaner. It is now running great! I had been using a very thin
(watery) smoke fluid, and I'm wondering if that's why the PC board and
motor got wet. It was not from over filling. I plan to use a thicker
smoke fluid in the future, and see if the problem returns. He also
noticed that the gasket between the fluid chamber and the fan chamber is
now broken. It was not broken when I last had the unit apart, but
perhaps there was a defect in the gasket that caused the problem.

Tommy's Challenger has a great fan, but generates almost no smoke.
Comparing the smoke unit to the club's, he noticed that here was burned
material stuck to the resistor in his unit. He carefully cleaned the
resistor and repacked the material to match the way it was on the club's
unit. His now smokes great!

So for now, at least, both units push out smoke and sound with gusto!
You should see them double-headed!

Bill

Original message:
My club had 2 Challenger's and a U33C running most of Sunday afternoon
at the Amherst Railroad Society's train show in Springfield, MA.
http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/hampden/2012-railroad-hobby-show-held-at-big-e

We double-headed to challengers pulling 32 cars, and had the U33C on the
same loop pulling a shorter train. At the end we removed the challengers
and had the U33C pulling both trains with no apparent strain. We had
lots of great comments and conversations with visitors about those
locos, they were very well received.

The bad news is that they all have smoke issues. And my club loves
smoke! We had to run a 1952 Northern (converted to DCC) to get some
smoke happening!

Anyway, the U33C was new out of the box. We lubed it, put in 20 drops,
and sent it out. It ran most of the morning Saturday with a nice, steady
output of smoke and everyone loved it. Eventually (maybe 2 hours?) the
smoke started to lessen, so we stopped and added another 15 drops. The
smoke did not increase, and shortly pretty much stopped. The rest of the
weekend there was no visible smoke.

The Challengers are on their 3rd show. The club's unit smoked great at
the first show, for the first day. The second day, the smoke became
intermittent. It seems that the smoke is being generated fine, but most
of the time the fan doesn't run. I've had this unit apart, and the
material that soaks up the fluid is very dense. The fluid reservoir,
when the material is removed, seems very clean and dry. The fan turns
easily, and there are no visible loose connections or strained wires.
There was fluid on the pc board which is the top of the reservoir. (any
idea why there is so much electronics to run a smoke unit?). I cleaned
the board with a paper towel, did not use alcohol or anything else. I
ran the loco with the boiler off, and the fan would operate normally for
a while, then stop. I did not notice a correlation between the time the
smoke unit was running (heat) and the fan operation. Running it for an
hour or so with the boiler off, the fan operated 4 or 5 times, probably
for a total of 7-10 minutes. When the fan ran, smoke production was
good. This testing was last Thursday, so I reassembled it for the show.

The other Challenger (owned by a member) has not been apart. Its fan has
been operating fine, but the is almost no smoke production. With the two
running yesterday, the unit with no fan had quite a lot of smoke
drifting out of the stack. The other unit would show 30 seconds or so of
good smoke when fluid was added, then almost no smoke. It did show some
puffs when starting, as if some smoke had accumulated while it was stopped.

Both Challengers will come apart this week, and I'll report what
happens. I'm assuming the second one needs a repositioning of the
heater, it's probably not touching the wick. The other one, I'll try
cleaning the board with alcohol, then go from there.

The U33C I expect will go back to Lionel for repair.

By the way, please don't read this as a complaint. I'm reporting in the
interest of us helping each other work through issues. The Challengers
are amazingly easy to take apart and work on. If none of them were ever
to smoke again (and there is no chance of that) I would still be very
excited and happy with these locos! You should have seen and heard those
double-headed Challengers! The U33C is the first diesel I've had with
smoke, and that is a very nice bonus. But without smoke it would still
be a great loco!

Bill


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68025 From: R G Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: Challenger Smoke Problems Resolved
Thanks for the information.  I have notice with some smoke fluids that the outside of the locomotive around the stack becomes wet with fluid after they have been running a while.  What you have discovered is important to know with the electronics in new locomotives.



________________________________
From: Bill Clark <billclark424@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains]Challenger Smoke Problems Resolved


 
An update on the Challenger smoke problems that I reported on last week
(message copied below).

The Club Challenger smoked well, but the fan was mostly not operational.
We tried cleaning the pc board which is part of the smoke unit with
contact cleaner. No luck. Tommy then removed the fan motor and tested it
on DC. It ran ok, but he noticed that the base of the motor was covered
in oil (we assume smoke fluid). So he cleaned out the motor, again with
contact cleaner. It is now running great! I had been using a very thin
(watery) smoke fluid, and I'm wondering if that's why the PC board and
motor got wet. It was not from over filling. I plan to use a thicker
smoke fluid in the future, and see if the problem returns. He also
noticed that the gasket between the fluid chamber and the fan chamber is
now broken. It was not broken when I last had the unit apart, but
perhaps there was a defect in the gasket that caused the problem.

Tommy's Challenger has a great fan, but generates almost no smoke.
Comparing the smoke unit to the club's, he noticed that here was burned
material stuck to the resistor in his unit. He carefully cleaned the
resistor and repacked the material to match the way it was on the club's
unit. His now smokes great!

So for now, at least, both units push out smoke and sound with gusto!
You should see them double-headed!

Bill

Original message:
My club had 2 Challenger's and a U33C running most of Sunday afternoon
at the Amherst Railroad Society's train show in Springfield, MA.
http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/hampden/2012-railroad-hobby-show-held-at-big-e

We double-headed to challengers pulling 32 cars, and had the U33C on the
same loop pulling a shorter train. At the end we removed the challengers
and had the U33C pulling both trains with no apparent strain. We had
lots of great comments and conversations with visitors about those
locos, they were very well received.

The bad news is that they all have smoke issues. And my club loves
smoke! We had to run a 1952 Northern (converted to DCC) to get some
smoke happening!

Anyway, the U33C was new out of the box. We lubed it, put in 20 drops,
and sent it out. It ran most of the morning Saturday with a nice, steady
output of smoke and everyone loved it. Eventually (maybe 2 hours?) the
smoke started to lessen, so we stopped and added another 15 drops. The
smoke did not increase, and shortly pretty much stopped. The rest of the
weekend there was no visible smoke.

The Challengers are on their 3rd show. The club's unit smoked great at
the first show, for the first day. The second day, the smoke became
intermittent. It seems that the smoke is being generated fine, but most
of the time the fan doesn't run. I've had this unit apart, and the
material that soaks up the fluid is very dense. The fluid reservoir,
when the material is removed, seems very clean and dry. The fan turns
easily, and there are no visible loose connections or strained wires.
There was fluid on the pc board which is the top of the reservoir. (any
idea why there is so much electronics to run a smoke unit?). I cleaned
the board with a paper towel, did not use alcohol or anything else. I
ran the loco with the boiler off, and the fan would operate normally for
a while, then stop. I did not notice a correlation between the time the
smoke unit was running (heat) and the fan operation. Running it for an
hour or so with the boiler off, the fan operated 4 or 5 times, probably
for a total of 7-10 minutes. When the fan ran, smoke production was
good. This testing was last Thursday, so I reassembled it for the show.

The other Challenger (owned by a member) has not been apart. Its fan has
been operating fine, but the is almost no smoke production. With the two
running yesterday, the unit with no fan had quite a lot of smoke
drifting out of the stack. The other unit would show 30 seconds or so of
good smoke when fluid was added, then almost no smoke. It did show some
puffs when starting, as if some smoke had accumulated while it was stopped.

Both Challengers will come apart this week, and I'll report what
happens. I'm assuming the second one needs a repositioning of the
heater, it's probably not touching the wick. The other one, I'll try
cleaning the board with alcohol, then go from there.

The U33C I expect will go back to Lionel for repair.

By the way, please don't read this as a complaint. I'm reporting in the
interest of us helping each other work through issues. The Challengers
are amazingly easy to take apart and work on. If none of them were ever
to smoke again (and there is no chance of that) I would still be very
excited and happy with these locos! You should have seen and heard those
double-headed Challengers! The U33C is the first diesel I've had with
smoke, and that is a very nice bonus. But without smoke it would still
be a great loco!

Bill

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68026 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Oh it is international then and has buyer protection? Alistair

On Thu 02/02/12 12:51 AM , Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... sent:
> From: Alan Lambert
>  
> Bruce,
> Thats because it is that new. The "S" listing , LBR Enterprises wlii
> be there shortly. Give him time, and others will start showing up.
> Don't jump to conclutions yet. Fromwhat I saw it is 200% better than
> E-bay.
> Thanks,
> Alan
Group: S-Trains Message: 68027 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Alan,

Thank you for the info. I'll keep watching the site.

Bruce



From: Alan Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:21 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)



From: Alan Lambert

Bruce,
Thats because it is that new. The "S" listing , LBR Enterprises wlii be there shortly. Give him time, and others will start showing up. Don't jump to conclutions yet. Fromwhat I saw it is 200% better than E-bay.
Thanks,
Alan


________________________________
From: "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)





I visited the site. I see nothing for S gauge, nor do I see anything for American Flyer or Lionel. Hmmm.....

Bruce

From: alizoo@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:46 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)

Hmm. Hotoz means just that Ho down to Z gauge - where does S go since it is
outside those parmeters? Alistair

On Wed 01/02/12 7:32 AM , Dave at LBR Enterprises lbrenterprisesllc@... sent:
> http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl [1]
>
> This site is just starting up
>
> --- On Tue, 1/31/12, Rich wrote:
> From: Rich
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
> To:
> Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
>
> Dave -- what's the URL for the site?
> - Rich
> --- In , "David" wrote:
> >
> >
> > We have found a new auction site that we will be giving a try out.
> > Unlike EBAY the fees are more than reasonable which permits us to
> lower
> > our prices to be more in line with our own web site. For everyone
> here
> > that has had it with Ebay you might give it a look see.
> >
> > THIS NEW SITE IS FOR MODEL TRAINS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS.
> >
> > We will be transfering most of our "O" gage decals there as well
> as a
> > lot of our "S" items and will more than likely be doing our
> auctions
> > there in future.
> >
> > Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > LBR Enterprises,llc
> >
> > 502-292-1872
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl
> [8]
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvdXM4aWJhBF9TAzk3Mz
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68028 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Busses
Does anyone know of any manufacturers of 1/64 scale busses? Past/present, diecast/plastic. Anything realistic or can be made to look realistic. My layout is set in the late 1940's early 1950's. I've been looking for busses for months now with no luck at all. The only one I found was a Johnny Lightning school bus. There has to be something else out there.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 68029 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: S scale width Atlas O scale Steamer...
I just found out that the Atlas O scale Atlantic steamer is 2 inches wide, perfect for an S scale conversion. You'd have to use a can motor, there's not enough room for an AF swap out, but it's still a nice change of scenery.. I emailed Atlas and was told that some of their 'Industrial Rail' pieces are S scale width, but couldn't get any more details out of them. If anyone else out there knows which pieces are the same width, please share. Some of my favorite cars were once O scale. The solid metal 651, 652, and 653 cars in particular. A bit heavy, but if I keep the wheels oiled, they roll quite nicely. Hard to stop, but roll nicely...
As far as I know, Atlas is the only O scale manufacturer who makes S scale width stock. If someone knows otherwise, it's a great day to learn something new....
Group: S-Trains Message: 68030 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: S scale width Atlas O scale Steamer...
Here is a link to a conversion of the Atlas Atlantic to S gauge.
http://www.tuveson.com/atlas-atlantic/atlas-atlantic.htm


Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of i_am_3_16_o
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 2:33 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] S scale width Atlas O scale Steamer...



I just found out that the Atlas O scale Atlantic steamer is 2 inches wide,
perfect for an S scale conversion. You'd have to use a can motor, there's
not enough room for an AF swap out, but it's still a nice change of
scenery.. I emailed Atlas and was told that some of their 'Industrial Rail'
pieces are S scale width, but couldn't get any more details out of them. If
anyone else out there knows which pieces are the same width, please share.
Some of my favorite cars were once O scale. The solid metal 651, 652, and
653 cars in particular. A bit heavy, but if I keep the wheels oiled, they
roll quite nicely. Hard to stop, but roll nicely...
As far as I know, Atlas is the only O scale manufacturer who makes S scale
width stock. If someone knows otherwise, it's a great day to learn something
new....






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Group: S-Trains Message: 68031 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: S scale width Atlas O scale Steamer...
Hi Iam,

My layout has both O and S-Gauge track and it is all 3/16ths stuff. One
of those Atlantics runs around on the O-Gauge part and works very well.
Looks good too. There is a guy on eBay who converts them to S-Gauge from
time to time. I know that because he sells the chassis when he does so.
Look for one of those auctions and send him a note.

You will find that much of the older Marx trains are a fit size wise.
They are not up to today's standards for details, but, they do look
pretty good. Some are tinplate with lithographed details and some are
plastic. I have a video showing progress before Thanksgiving (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5SiyvtNUSo ). The Atlantic is running
through most of it and passing a Flyer steamer and an SHS diesel for
size comparisons.

In one scene, you can see a short string of the Marx NYC passenger cars
in the background. If you can stand some high-speed, wind-up action,
there is another video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoXVHFqAO9U )
which shows more of the Marx metal cars and a Marx 333 loco on a siding.
Those Marx cars look right at home next to the new haven Flyer cars of
the '40's and '50's. There are also some prewar Flyer cars in 3/16ths
O-gauge that match. Changing the trucks on the metal cars is not for the
faint of heart.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida


On 2/1/2012 2:33 PM, i_am_3_16_o wrote:
> I just found out that the Atlas O scale Atlantic steamer is 2 inches wide, perfect for an S scale conversion. You'd have to use a can motor, there's not enough room for an AF swap out, but it's still a nice change of scenery.. I emailed Atlas and was told that some of their 'Industrial Rail' pieces are S scale width, but couldn't get any more details out of them. If anyone else out there knows which pieces are the same width, please share. Some of my favorite cars were once O scale. The solid metal 651, 652, and 653 cars in particular. A bit heavy, but if I keep the wheels oiled, they roll quite nicely. Hard to stop, but roll nicely...
> As far as I know, Atlas is the only O scale manufacturer who makes S scale width stock. If someone knows otherwise, it's a great day to learn something new....
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68032 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: new auction site
They have an American Flyer Atlantic for sale that has Dallee insides.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68033 From: john dillinger Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: Busses
Try : www.toybusexpo.com<http://www.toybusexpo.com/>. IF that doesn't work they might link you to a site that has what your looking for.
http://www.toybusexpo.com

----- Original Message -----
From: i_am_3_16_o<mailto:phuster_6@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 2:22 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Busses



Does anyone know of any manufacturers of 1/64 scale busses? Past/present, diecast/plastic. Anything realistic or can be made to look realistic. My layout is set in the late 1940's early 1950's. I've been looking for busses for months now with no luck at all. The only one I found was a Johnny Lightning school bus. There has to be something else out there.....





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68034 From: ekaplan707 Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: U33C Scale Wheels
Just received notification from Lionel that the scale wheels are shipping.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68035 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Winchester Western Railroad
In the Union Pacific yard in Fort Worth, Texas I noticed several of the 3 bay covered hoppers. I looked and they are a long way from home. No telling what you see now and then.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Group: S-Trains Message: 68036 From: Art Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Wanted: GM&O RS-3 by American Models
I am looking for another GM&O RS-3 in ACHR from American Models. Several years ago I bought number 1522 and want another number to run as an A-A set. If anyone has another number they want to part with, please contact me. Art
Group: S-Trains Message: 68037 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Is this your site? Mike


In a message dated 2/1/2012 8:47:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
lbrenterprisesllc@... writes:




This site is just getting started. Please give it a chance
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc

--- On Tue, 1/31/12, _alizoo@..._ (mailto:alizoo@...)
<_alizoo@..._ (mailto:alizoo@...) > wrote:

From: _alizoo@..._ (mailto:alizoo@...)
<_alizoo@..._ (mailto:alizoo@...) >
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 7:46 PM



Hmm. Hotoz means just that Ho down to Z gauge - where does S go since it is
outside those parmeters? Alistair

On Wed 01/02/12 7:32 AM , Dave at LBR Enterprises
_lbrenterprisesllc@..._ (mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@...) sent:
> _http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl_ (h
ttp://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl) [1]
>
> This site is just starting up
>
> --- On Tue, 1/31/12, Rich wrote:
> From: Rich
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
> To:
> Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
>
> Dave -- what's the URL for the site?
> - Rich
> --- In , "David" wrote:
> >
> >
> > We have found a new auction site that we will be giving a try out.
> > Unlike EBAY the fees are more than reasonable which permits us to
> lower
> > our prices to be more in line with our own web site. For everyone
> here
> > that has had it with Ebay you might give it a look see.
> >
> > THIS NEW SITE IS FOR MODEL TRAINS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS.
> >
> > We will be transfering most of our "O" gage decals there as well
> as a
> > lot of our "S" items and will more than likely be doing our
> auctions
> > there in future.
> >
> > Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > LBR Enterprises,llc
> >
> > 502-292-1872
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> Links:
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68038 From: Brady Burdge Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: New Address for S Gauge Forum
The OGR Forum has a new format, the S Gauge section is now located at

http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForum/forum/2415514336485215



Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 68039 From: fyrrfytr49 Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to ..www.toybusexpo......
I attempted to open and look at the site posted about the buses....Got a big Red warning and lockdown by my AV....its a HEUR:Trojan.script.iframer attached to www.toybusexpo.com
I was saved hope some of you dont get it .....
Group: S-Trains Message: 68040 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/1/2012
Subject: Re: New Flyonel catalog
Heard today that there will be NO American Flyer in the next Lionel catalog.

Instead, Lionel American Flyer will have its own catalog. My source says
late fall for the Christmas market.

Roy Inman





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68041 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: Busses
I have a 1/64 scaale bus that is lettered "County Sheriff's Department". I
bought it at a Casino-Hotel in Nevada a few years ago. The only
identification of manufacture is "Made in China" on the bottom. I could send a photo
of it along side a HO scale bus if you like.

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 2/1/2012 1:24:00 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
phuster_6@... writes:




Does anyone know of any manufacturers of 1/64 scale busses? Past/present,
diecast/plastic. Anything realistic or can be made to look realistic. My
layout is set in the late 1940's early 1950's. I've been looking for busses
for months now with no luck at all. The only one I found was a Johnny
Lightning school bus. There has to be something else out there.....






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Group: S-Trains Message: 68042 From: john dillinger Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to ..www.toybusexpo......
I opened the site three times today with no warnings. Also run Microsoft Security Essentials on the web site got no virus warning. Would be interested to hear if anyone else got a warning.
----- Original Message -----
From: fyrrfytr49<mailto:am-flyr@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 8:01 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to ..www.toybusexpo......



I attempted to open and look at the site posted about the buses....Got a big Red warning and lockdown by my AV....its a HEUR:Trojan.script.iframer attached to www.toybusexpo.com<http://www.toybusexpo.com/>
I was saved hope some of you dont get it .....





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68043 From: fyrrfytr49 Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: What is HEUR:Trojan.Script.Iframer? ...FOLLOWUP
I did a Google search after my quick warning...this is some of what i read..

It means the website is actually embedded with a trojan horse, meant to get in to your computer for whatever reason, obviously bad.

It does this through embedding an iframe, which is a HTML code element. As it is an iframe, it may not be the actual site that is infected, but it may be that someone exploited the comment system and managed to embed an iframe with the trojan in it. Either way, avoid the site if you can, if not, make the web administrator aware of it if you can.

DARN ...I would like to have read about some things there too...
Oh Well...not worth an infection...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68044 From: rick gough Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: S scale width Atlas O scale Steamer...
Carl,
You don't mention it but I am wondering what your process for plumbing the steam boxes is? I can't see it in the pics.
The Atlantic looks neat, just also wondering why so much wobble action?

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68045 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: S scale width Atlas O scale Steamer...
Rick,

Actually the steam you see is chuff piston blow-by due to the the sealed
chuff chamber.

Kind of a cool side effect.

The some of wobble is due to two things. The traction tires are on the
front drivers due to the CG of the loco and it is pulling a very heavy
train.
You also notice it more due to the shots from the chase loco.

Carl



-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of rick gough
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 11:28 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] S scale width Atlas O scale Steamer...



Carl,
You don't mention it but I am wondering what your process for plumbing the
steam boxes is? I can't see it in the pics.
The Atlantic looks neat, just also wondering why so much wobble action?

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68046 From: Larry Moore Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to ..www.toybusexpo......
I opened the busses website, and did not get a warning. I am running
Kaspersky Pure, virus software. Larry



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of john dillinger
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 12:16 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to
..www.toybusexpo......





I opened the site three times today with no warnings. Also run Microsoft
Security Essentials on the web site got no virus warning. Would be
interested to hear if anyone else got a warning.
----- Original Message -----
From: fyrrfytr49<mailto:am-flyr@... <mailto:am-flyr%40telus.net> >
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 8:01 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to
..www.toybusexpo......

I attempted to open and look at the site posted about the buses....Got a big
Red warning and lockdown by my AV....its a HEUR:Trojan.script.iframer
attached to www.toybusexpo.com<http://www.toybusexpo.com/>
I was saved hope some of you dont get it .....

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68047 From: David Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: AF "HEAVY WEIGHT" Pilot Truck (Advertisement)
We are announcing our long sought after "NEW HEAVY WEIGHT" AF ATLANTIC
(1953 - 1957) pilot truck. This newly designed truck virtually
eliminates the derailment problem associated with the original "U"
shaped channel pilot truck from 1953 - 1957.

The item number is APT20212-1 and will be avaliable on 02-06-12 ONLY AT
OUR WEB SITE at

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html>

PRICE (Includes Shipping In Conus): $8.95 ea. USD

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave,

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68048 From: Timboy Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: My Layout is Completed!
Flyer Nation:

How many times have you ever heard anyone say that their layout was completed - like, never? Well, I am declaring that my layout is done. I have no plans for any future renovations, additions or enhancements. I am now content to run the RR with either my freight-card forwarding system or simple loop running. There will be no updates to my blog in the foreseeable future. If you wish to visit it and look through the archives to see how I built my Flyer RR from the floor up, you are invited to visit:

http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/

Thanks to all who contributed and/or remarked to me either in private or in public about how you became inspired by following along with my Flyer build.

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68049 From: Rich Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: 785 Coal Loader Problem
Bob -- the wiring for my just acquired 785 looks to be the same as what Doug has on his site. Five wires, of which four are in a bundle, plus a fifth wire that in my case is yellow. that wire goes to one of the leads for the clamshell. The other clamshell wire is attached - along with two other wires - to one of the brush posts.

The red button does two things - it closes the clamshell and turns the motor on in the direction of pulling the clamshell up and eventually into the coal loader housing. When you stop pushing that button, the clamshell opens and it stops moving. All the green button does is lower the (open) clamshell.

the clamshell should move freely when you move the shells by hand. In my case, the solenoid seems kind of wimpy as it has a hard time 'digging into' the coal pile. I don't know if this is a common problem...

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for those tips Ron on the 785. I’ll run tests on your troubleshooting suggestions.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronald Prucha
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:46 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 785 Coal Loader Problem
>
>
>
>
>
> Red button up should close the clam shell. Coil may be shot on clamshell or the
> clamshell frozen up. Release red button should stop up motion and open
> clamshell Make sure wiring is connected to coil on clamshell.
>
> Ron
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bob Iannacone <biannaco@... <mailto:biannaco%40bellsouth.net> >
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, January 31, 2012 11:18:04 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] 785 Coal Loader Problem
>
>
>
> Hi S-members. I have an AF 785 Coal Loader and I can't get the clam shell
> to open and close to pick up or release the coal. All three buttons work -
> green down; red up; and middle button to make the chute work. Is it
> possible that I crossed the wires at the clam shell connection? I'm using
> Doug Peck's wiring diagram to trouble shoot, but I still have a wire out of
> place to make the clam work. Any help out there is appreciated. Thanks
> and have a great day.
>
> Bob - aftrains4u
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68050 From: Lon Walker Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to ..www.toybusexpo......
Hi,� I did not get a warning.� Lon Walker



________________________________
From: john dillinger <johnjuan@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to ..www.toybusexpo......


 
I opened the site three times today with no warnings. Also run Microsoft Security Essentials on the web site got no virus warning. Would be interested to hear if anyone else got a warning.
----- Original Message -----
From: fyrrfytr49<mailto:am-flyr@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 8:01 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to ..www.toybusexpo......

I attempted to open and look at the site posted about the buses....Got a big Red warning and lockdown by my AV....its a HEUR:Trojan.script.iframer attached to www.toybusexpo.com<http://www.toybusexpo.com/>
I was saved hope some of you dont get it .....

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68051 From: R G Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to ..www.toybusexpo......
I did not get a warning either and I have been to the site from different computers at work and home.  Both have updated security software and do notify me of problems if detected.



________________________________
From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 8:50 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to ..www.toybusexpo......


 
I opened the busses website, and did not get a warning. I am running
Kaspersky Pure, virus software. Larry

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of john dillinger
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 12:16 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to
..www.toybusexpo......

I opened the site three times today with no warnings. Also run Microsoft
Security Essentials on the web site got no virus warning. Would be
interested to hear if anyone else got a warning.
----- Original Message -----
From: fyrrfytr49<mailto:am-flyr@... <mailto:am-flyr%40telus.net> >
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 8:01 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING.>>>> ...VIRIS.....Attached to
..www.toybusexpo......

I attempted to open and look at the site posted about the buses....Got a big
Red warning and lockdown by my AV....its a HEUR:Trojan.script.iframer
attached to www.toybusexpo.com<http://www.toybusexpo.com/>
I was saved hope some of you dont get it .....

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68052 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: Busses
Not much out there. I have some old Dinky Toy busses (close), a Tootsie
Toy one and some of those Chinese friction toy ones (they look like '50s
city buses, but have a center emergency door on one side). I'll face that
side to the backdrop. Hoquat's resin cast one can only be found at swap
meets on on e-bay. We need to lobby the diecast toy market (M-2 for
example) to see if we can get some busses like the 1/50th line that Corgi
does. Maybe write a letter to the editor to Toy Trucker magazine too.

Yes, we could probably get somebody to do a resin casting as a last resort,
but what most folks want is a Corgi type diecast bus in 1/64 in the same
price range - all decorated, etc. We need to convince the diecast producers
to do some vintage buses, vintage utility trucks, Divco milk trucks, 4-door
vintage ('50s) taxi cabs and 4-door police cars.
Jeff Madden

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:06 AM, <boss31@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I have a 1/64 scaale bus that is lettered "County Sheriff's Department". I
> bought it at a Casino-Hotel in Nevada a few years ago. The only
> identification of manufacture is "Made in China" on the bottom. I could
> send a photo
> of it along side a HO scale bus if you like.
>
> Steve
> SnS Trains
>
>
> In a message dated 2/1/2012 1:24:00 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> phuster_6@... writes:
>
> Does anyone know of any manufacturers of 1/64 scale busses? Past/present,
> diecast/plastic. Anything realistic or can be made to look realistic. My
> layout is set in the late 1940's early 1950's. I've been looking for
> busses
> for months now with no luck at all. The only one I found was a Johnny
> Lightning school bus. There has to be something else out there.....
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68053 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Mike,
     This is where we are probably be putting our auctions when we have them.
 
Our WEB SITE is at www.lbrenterprisesllc.com
 
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872
 


--- On Wed, 2/1/12, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote:


From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 1, 2012, 6:03 PM



 



Is this your site? Mike


In a message dated 2/1/2012 8:47:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
lbrenterprisesllc@... writes:

This site is just getting started. Please give it a chance
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc

--- On Tue, 1/31/12, _alizoo@..._ (mailto:alizoo@...)
<_alizoo@..._ (mailto:alizoo@...) > wrote:

From: _alizoo@..._ (mailto:alizoo@...)
<_alizoo@..._ (mailto:alizoo@...) >
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 7:46 PM

Hmm. Hotoz means just that Ho down to Z gauge - where does S go since it is
outside those parmeters? Alistair

On Wed 01/02/12 7:32 AM , Dave at LBR Enterprises
_lbrenterprisesllc@..._ (mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@...) sent:
> _http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl_ (h
ttp://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl) [1]
>
> This site is just starting up
>
> --- On Tue, 1/31/12, Rich wrote:
> From: Rich
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
> To:
> Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
>
> Dave -- what's the URL for the site?
> - Rich
> --- In , "David" wrote:
> >
> >
> > We have found a new auction site that we will be giving a try out.
> > Unlike EBAY the fees are more than reasonable which permits us to
> lower
> > our prices to be more in line with our own web site. For everyone
> here
> > that has had it with Ebay you might give it a look see.
> >
> > THIS NEW SITE IS FOR MODEL TRAINS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS.
> >
> > We will be transfering most of our "O" gage decals there as well
> as a
> > lot of our "S" items and will more than likely be doing our
> auctions
> > there in future.
> >
> > Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > LBR Enterprises,llc
> >
> > 502-292-1872
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68054 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
Hi All,

I have two wacky eBay tales from yesterday.

First I won an auction for a Krispy Kreme truck. The listing was opening bid $12.00 with free shipping. I was the only bidder and won it for $12.00. The seller then added $2.00 to the PayPal invoice. I emailed him and asked what that was about and he replied saying he had made a mistake by offering free shipping and he was spending a ton on tape, so he added $2.00 to improve his profit margin. I emailed back and informed him this is against the eBay rules. I haven't heard back from him yet. The guy has a perfect feedback with over 300 transactions so it will be interesting to hear his response.

Second while reviewing the S-scale listing last night I saw close to 100 listings for 1/64 vehicles. All were new-in-box with starting bids at 2 - 3 times MSRP. None of them had any bids with less than 8 hours to go. Do people really think they can run to WallyWorld and then resell stuff on eBay at 2 - 3 times what they paid? No wonder they have no bids.

The world keeps turning but not fast enough to throw off the lunatics!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68055 From: Gregg Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: Busses
Try https://www.royalcoachbuses.com/

They have 1/64 MCI and Prevost in various schemes and designs. May be too modern for the '50s but worth a look.

Gregg

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "i_am_3_16_o" <phuster_6@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of any manufacturers of 1/64 scale busses? Past/present, diecast/plastic. Anything realistic or can be made to look realistic. My layout is set in the late 1940's early 1950's. I've been looking for busses for months now with no luck at all. The only one I found was a Johnny Lightning school bus. There has to be something else out there.....
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68056 From: David Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
And you wonder why we are getting out of ebay. Years ago it was the
place to be but not any more!! [X-(]
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872





--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have two wacky eBay tales from yesterday.
>
> First I won an auction for a Krispy Kreme truck. The listing was
opening bid $12.00 with free shipping. I was the only bidder and won it
for $12.00. The seller then added $2.00 to the PayPal invoice. I emailed
him and asked what that was about and he replied saying he had made a
mistake by offering free shipping and he was spending a ton on tape, so
he added $2.00 to improve his profit margin. I emailed back and informed
him this is against the eBay rules. I haven't heard back from him yet.
The guy has a perfect feedback with over 300 transactions so it will be
interesting to hear his response.
>
> Second while reviewing the S-scale listing last night I saw close to
100 listings for 1/64 vehicles. All were new-in-box with starting bids
at 2 - 3 times MSRP. None of them had any bids with less than 8 hours to
go. Do people really think they can run to WallyWorld and then resell
stuff on eBay at 2 - 3 times what they paid? No wonder they have no
bids.
>
> The world keeps turning but not fast enough to throw off the lunatics!
>
> David
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68057 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
A lot of items have unrealistic bid prices. I have seen a number of AM
freight cars listed at prices considerably above the price charged by AM, and
these are items that AM still has in stock.

That is just one example but it is one that has me puzzled.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 2/2/2012 11:13:24 A.M. Central Standard Time,
bull_gator_1@... writes:




Hi All,

I have two wacky eBay tales from yesterday.

First I won an auction for a Krispy Kreme truck. The listing was opening
bid $12.00 with free shipping. I was the only bidder and won it for $12.00.
The seller then added $2.00 to the PayPal invoice. I emailed him and asked
what that was about and he replied saying he had made a mistake by offering
free shipping and he was spending a ton on tape, so he added $2.00 to
improve his profit margin. I emailed back and informed him this is against the
eBay rules. I haven't heard back from him yet. The guy has a perfect
feedback with over 300 transactions so it will be interesting to hear his
response.

Second while reviewing the S-scale listing last night I saw close to 100
listings for 1/64 vehicles. All were new-in-box with starting bids at 2 - 3
times MSRP. None of them had any bids with less than 8 hours to go. Do
people really think they can run to WallyWorld and then resell stuff on eBay at
2 - 3 times what they paid? No wonder they have no bids.

The world keeps turning but not fast enough to throw off the lunatics!

David






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Group: S-Trains Message: 68058 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: My Layout is Completed!
Tim, I am sorry you are in need of assisted living. That must be the case
if you consider your layout complete.

Just kidding. Congratulations on achieving your goal. I am glad you are
happy with your layout as it is. That is a real rarity.

I hope you are planning on attending the NASG Convention in Chattanooga.
You and Ed Loizeaux could revive your contest for animated accessories or
cars.

- Earl Henry, Nashville




In a message dated 2/2/2012 11:11:41 A.M. Central Standard Time,
timstrains2000@... writes:




Flyer Nation:

How many times have you ever heard anyone say that their layout was
completed - like, never? Well, I am declaring that my layout is done. I have no
plans for any future renovations, additions or enhancements. I am now
content to run the RR with either my freight-card forwarding system or simple
loop running. There will be no updates to my blog in the foreseeable future.
If you wish to visit it and look through the archives to see how I built my
Flyer RR from the floor up, you are invited to visit:

_http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/_
(http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/)

Thanks to all who contributed and/or remarked to me either in private or
in public about how you became inspired by following along with my Flyer
build.

Regards,
Timboy






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Group: S-Trains Message: 68059 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
Dave save your criticism. eBay may not be as good as it was to sellers in
particular but it still remains the best way to get goods out to a huge group of
buyers, including overeas. By all means exercise your right to shift and let
people know where they can get to you but leave off the constant moans. Alistair

On Fri 03/02/12 4:38 AM , "David" reujan2000@... sent:
> And you wonder why we are getting out of ebay. Years ago it was the
> place to be but not any more!! [X-(]
> Dave
> LBR Enterprises,llc
> 502-292-1872
> --- In , "bull_gator_1"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have two wacky eBay tales from yesterday.
> >
> > First I won an auction for a Krispy Kreme truck. The listing was
> opening bid $12.00 with free shipping. I was the only bidder and won
> it
> for $12.00. The seller then added $2.00 to the PayPal invoice. I
> emailed
> him and asked what that was about and he replied saying he had made
> a
> mistake by offering free shipping and he was spending a ton on tape,
> so
> he added $2.00 to improve his profit margin. I emailed back and
> informed
> him this is against the eBay rules. I haven't heard back from him
> yet.
> The guy has a perfect feedback with over 300 transactions so it will
> be
> interesting to hear his response.
> >
> > Second while reviewing the S-scale listing last night I saw close
> to
> 100 listings for 1/64 vehicles. All were new-in-box with starting
> bids
> at 2 - 3 times MSRP. None of them had any bids with less than 8
> hours to
> go. Do people really think they can run to WallyWorld and then
> resell
> stuff on eBay at 2 - 3 times what they paid? No wonder they have no
> bids.
> >
> > The world keeps turning but not fast enough to throw off the
> lunatics!
> >
> > David
> >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [4]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68060 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
and he notes -

He is obviously trying to beat eBay's commission on shipping.

As far as the other auctions go, a week or so ago eBay offered a free
listing day so any sale they get is gravy.

Raleigh in Chilleigh Maineigh


At 09:35 AM 2/2/2012, bull_gator_1 wrote:
>
>Hi All,
>
>I have two wacky eBay tales from yesterday.
>
>First I won an auction for a Krispy Kreme truck. The listing was
>opening bid $12.00 with free shipping. I was the only bidder and won
>it for $12.00. The seller then added $2.00 to the PayPal invoice. I
>emailed him and asked what that was about and he replied saying he
>had made a mistake by offering free shipping and he was spending a
>ton on tape, so he added $2.00 to improve his profit margin. I
>emailed back and informed him this is against the eBay rules. I
>haven't heard back from him yet. The guy has a perfect feedback with
>over 300 transactions so it will be interesting to hear his response.
>
>Second while reviewing the S-scale listing last night I saw close to
>100 listings for 1/64 vehicles. All were new-in-box with starting
>bids at 2 - 3 times MSRP. None of them had any bids with less than 8
>hours to go. Do people really think they can run to WallyWorld and
>then resell stuff on eBay at 2 - 3 times what they paid? No wonder
>they have no bids.
>
>The world keeps turning but not fast enough to throw off the lunatics!
>
>David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68061 From: rick gough Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: S scale width Atlas O scale Steamer...
I kinda thought the steam chest smoke might be from leakage. It is always a good effect and I plumb most of mine with plastic and rubber lines down from the smoke channel. I found the only ACG loco too difficult to modify be the Atlantic as there is just no space for the plumbing ..... so maybe I'll just create a leak! Next most difficult of all things happened to be the big ole Northern due to it's chassis mounts being in the way .... done it looks great, though.


rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68062 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: Busses
My understanding is that "Royal" is about the only game in town. Located
near Harrisburg, PA, also understand he is a great guy to deal with. I'm
looking for late 40's thru late fifties, Chevy, Ford & GMC transit & highway
coaches. Haven't found anything yet.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 2/2/2012 12:58:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
amflyer336@... writes:

Try https://www.royalcoachbuses.com/

They have 1/64 MCI and Prevost in various schemes and designs. May be too
modern for the '50s but worth a look.

Gregg

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "i_am_3_16_o" <phuster_6@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of any manufacturers of 1/64 scale busses?
Past/present, diecast/plastic. Anything realistic or can be made to look realistic. My
layout is set in the late 1940's early 1950's. I've been looking for busses
for months now with no luck at all. The only one I found was a Johnny
Lightning school bus. There has to be something else out there.....
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68063 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: Busses
I agree with Jeff, BUT, we need to show the manufacturer a "market" for
them.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 2/2/2012 12:12:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
nasgdispatch@... writes:

Not much out there. I have some old Dinky Toy busses (close), a Tootsie
Toy one and some of those Chinese friction toy ones (they look like '50s
city buses, but have a center emergency door on one side). I'll face that
side to the backdrop. Hoquat's resin cast one can only be found at swap
meets on on e-bay. We need to lobby the diecast toy market (M-2 for
example) to see if we can get some busses like the 1/50th line that Corgi
does. Maybe write a letter to the editor to Toy Trucker magazine too.

Yes, we could probably get somebody to do a resin casting as a last resort,
but what most folks want is a Corgi type diecast bus in 1/64 in the same
price range - all decorated, etc. We need to convince the diecast producers
to do some vintage buses, vintage utility trucks, Divco milk trucks, 4-door
vintage ('50s) taxi cabs and 4-door police cars.
Jeff Madden

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:06 AM, <boss31@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I have a 1/64 scaale bus that is lettered "County Sheriff's Department".
I
> bought it at a Casino-Hotel in Nevada a few years ago. The only
> identification of manufacture is "Made in China" on the bottom. I could
> send a photo
> of it along side a HO scale bus if you like.
>
> Steve
> SnS Trains
>
>
> In a message dated 2/1/2012 1:24:00 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> phuster_6@... writes:
>
> Does anyone know of any manufacturers of 1/64 scale busses? Past/present,
> diecast/plastic. Anything realistic or can be made to look realistic. My
> layout is set in the late 1940's early 1950's. I've been looking for
> busses
> for months now with no luck at all. The only one I found was a Johnny
> Lightning school bus. There has to be something else out there.....
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68064 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
I guess my question is do you have an interest other than listing items, in
the auction site. Mike


In a message dated 2/2/2012 9:12:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
lbrenterprisesllc@... writes:




Mike,
This is where we are probably be putting our auctions when we have them.

Our WEB SITE is at www.lbrenterprisesllc.com

Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872


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From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) <_anormal1@..._
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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Wednesday, February 1, 2012, 6:03 PM



Is this your site? Mike

In a message dated 2/1/2012 8:47:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
_lbrenterprisesllc@..._ (mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@...) writes:

This site is just getting started. Please give it a chance
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc

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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
To: __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _
(mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) )
Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 7:46 PM

Hmm. Hotoz means just that Ho down to Z gauge - where does S go since it is
outside those parmeters? Alistair

On Wed 01/02/12 7:32 AM , Dave at LBR Enterprises
__lbrenterprisesllc@..._ (mailto:_lbrenterprisesllc@...) _
(mailto:_lbrenterprisesllc@..._ (mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@...) )
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> This site is just starting up
>
> --- On Tue, 1/31/12, Rich wrote:
> From: Rich
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
> To:
> Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
>
> Dave -- what's the URL for the site?
> - Rich
> --- In , "David" wrote:
> >
> >
> > We have found a new auction site that we will be giving a try out.
> > Unlike EBAY the fees are more than reasonable which permits us to
> lower
> > our prices to be more in line with our own web site. For everyone
> here
> > that has had it with Ebay you might give it a look see.
> >
> > THIS NEW SITE IS FOR MODEL TRAINS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS.
> >
> > We will be transfering most of our "O" gage decals there as well
> as a
> > lot of our "S" items and will more than likely be doing our
> auctions
> > there in future.
> >
> > Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > LBR Enterprises,llc
> >
> > 502-292-1872
> >
> >
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68065 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: Busses
Hi Jim, Gregg and all

I am in conversation with a company that has expressed an interest in making busses provided I can come up with a style to fit most needs. I have looked at a GM 4100 series type that could be used for Greyhound, Trailways, and city and private lines. The search for the best fit is not over. It may end up being a kit to start. LBR has agreed in the past to make whatever decals would be needed for anyone's needs and I am sure Dave will do so again. RTR as well as kits is a possibility but would greatly depend on how many pre orders at close to Corgi prices we could get.

I am open to hearing what you all feel would best suit the market for our needs. I will be happy to get something to service my deco buss station kits offered. I also would like to see other dealers getting in on them if any are interested in offering them.

Howard Sheffield
Howard' S Trains


On Feb 2, 2012, at 1:44 PM, WJJIM@... wrote:

> My understanding is that "Royal" is about the only game in town. Located
> near Harrisburg, PA, also understand he is a great guy to deal with. I'm
> looking for late 40's thru late fifties, Chevy, Ford & GMC transit & highway
> coaches. Haven't found anything yet.
>
> Jim Lyle
>
>
> In a message dated 2/2/2012 12:58:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> amflyer336@... writes:
>
> Try https://www.royalcoachbuses.com/
>
> They have 1/64 MCI and Prevost in various schemes and designs. May be too
> modern for the '50s but worth a look.
>
> Gregg
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "i_am_3_16_o" <phuster_6@...> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know of any manufacturers of 1/64 scale busses?
> Past/present, diecast/plastic. Anything realistic or can be made to look realistic. My
> layout is set in the late 1940's early 1950's. I've been looking for busses
> for months now with no luck at all. The only one I found was a Johnny
> Lightning school bus. There has to be something else out there.....
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68066 From: Al Baker Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
Dave,
I fully agree with Alistair. We will allow you to have your own opinion about ebay. You obviously have the respect of most people on this forum, so be glad of it and do what you think you need to do for your business. But the moaning is not flattering or helping you...
Al Baker



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote:
>
> Dave save your criticism. eBay may not be as good as it was to sellers in
> particular but it still remains the best way to get goods out to a huge group of
> buyers, including overeas. By all means exercise your right to shift and let
> people know where they can get to you but leave off the constant moans. Alistair
>
> On Fri 03/02/12 4:38 AM , "David" reujan2000@... sent:
> > And you wonder why we are getting out of ebay. Years ago it was the
> > place to be but not any more!! [X-(]
> > Dave
> > LBR Enterprises,llc
> > 502-292-1872
> > --- In , "bull_gator_1"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I have two wacky eBay tales from yesterday.
> > >
> > > First I won an auction for a Krispy Kreme truck. The listing was
> > opening bid $12.00 with free shipping. I was the only bidder and won
> > it
> > for $12.00. The seller then added $2.00 to the PayPal invoice. I
> > emailed
> > him and asked what that was about and he replied saying he had made
> > a
> > mistake by offering free shipping and he was spending a ton on tape,
> > so
> > he added $2.00 to improve his profit margin. I emailed back and
> > informed
> > him this is against the eBay rules. I haven't heard back from him
> > yet.
> > The guy has a perfect feedback with over 300 transactions so it will
> > be
> > interesting to hear his response.
> > >
> > > Second while reviewing the S-scale listing last night I saw close
> > to
> > 100 listings for 1/64 vehicles. All were new-in-box with starting
> > bids
> > at 2 - 3 times MSRP. None of them had any bids with less than 8
> > hours to
> > go. Do people really think they can run to WallyWorld and then
> > resell
> > stuff on eBay at 2 - 3 times what they paid? No wonder they have no
> > bids.
> > >
> > > The world keeps turning but not fast enough to throw off the
> > lunatics!
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > Links:
> > ------
> > [4]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68067 From: Brady Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: My Layout is Completed!
Tim,

Congrats on completion.

Perhaps (over time) you could write a few on-line articles detailing operations.


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 68068 From: Martin A. Johnson Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related - Wally-World
Wally-world re-sale.

David, yes, to answer your question, many people think & do go to Wal-Mart & other retailers, buy out all the "good" Die-cast & re-sell on eBay. I know several people that make a living doing it! and a couple that took a part time job at Wal-Mart, so they can stock shelves, and get the good stuff first!

Why does this work? not everyone live "down the street" from a Wal-Mart. Toy manufacturers, never seem to make enough of the "Good stuff". and fore-most, 1/64th scale die-cast has climbed to the #1 "vehicle" collectable in the world, when all factions of the Hobby are included, such as Nascar, Cars (including Hot Wheels, Matchbox, Johnny Lightning, etc.), Trucks, Construction, Farm & Railroad.

I don't like all of eBay's changes in the past 10 years or so, and I really hate High shipping costs, so I don't bid on them, unless the bid price is low enough to compensate. Many times eBay has been the "only" was I was able to locate something.

Marty

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68069 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
Gentlemen,
I have to respectfully disagree. Dave is entitled to express his opinions without censure or criticism if the moderator approves his post. You have the option to delete or ignore his posts but your comments amount ti trying to stifle his opinion. This forum should be about the free exchange of ideas or opinion without anyone getting snarky. Everyone needs to breathe in, breathe out and move on.
 
Bob 


________________________________
From: Al Baker <albaker33@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 7:35 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related


 
Dave,
I fully agree with Alistair. We will allow you to have your own opinion about ebay. You obviously have the respect of most people on this forum, so be glad of it and do what you think you need to do for your business. But the moaning is not flattering or helping you...
Al Baker

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote:
>
> Dave save your criticism. eBay may not be as good as it was to sellers in
> particular but it still remains the best way to get goods out to a huge group of
> buyers, including overeas. By all means exercise your right to shift and let
> people know where they can get to you but leave off the constant moans. Alistair
>
> On Fri 03/02/12 4:38 AM , "David" reujan2000@... sent:
> > And you wonder why we are getting out of ebay. Years ago it was the
> > place to be but not any more!! [X-(]
> > Dave
> > LBR Enterprises,llc
> > 502-292-1872
> > --- In , "bull_gator_1"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I have two wacky eBay tales from yesterday.
> > >
> > > First I won an auction for a Krispy Kreme truck. The listing was
> > opening bid $12.00 with free shipping. I was the only bidder and won
> > it
> > for $12.00. The seller then added $2.00 to the PayPal invoice. I
> > emailed
> > him and asked what that was about and he replied saying he had made
> > a
> > mistake by offering free shipping and he was spending a ton on tape,
> > so
> > he added $2.00 to improve his profit margin. I emailed back and
> > informed
> > him this is against the eBay rules. I haven't heard back from him
> > yet.
> > The guy has a perfect feedback with over 300 transactions so it will
> > be
> > interesting to hear his response.
> > >
> > > Second while reviewing the S-scale listing last night I saw close
> > to
> > 100 listings for 1/64 vehicles. All were new-in-box with starting
> > bids
> > at 2 - 3 times MSRP. None of them had any bids with less than 8
> > hours to
> > go. Do people really think they can run to WallyWorld and then
> > resell
> > stuff on eBay at 2 - 3 times what they paid? No wonder they have no
> > bids.
> > >
> > > The world keeps turning but not fast enough to throw off the
> > lunatics!
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > Links:
> > ------
> > [4]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68070 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
Mike,
     We may or may not start a store there. It depends on the rates. So far they have a store section but no way to list anything yet.
Dave

--- On Thu, 2/2/12, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote:


From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 2, 2012, 5:56 PM



 



I guess my question is do you have an interest other than listing items, in
the auction site. Mike


In a message dated 2/2/2012 9:12:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
lbrenterprisesllc@... writes:

Mike,
This is where we are probably be putting our auctions when we have them.

Our WEB SITE is at www.lbrenterprisesllc.com

Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872

--- On Wed, 2/1/12, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...)
<_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > wrote:

From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) <_anormal1@..._
(mailto:anormal1@...) >
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Wednesday, February 1, 2012, 6:03 PM

Is this your site? Mike

In a message dated 2/1/2012 8:47:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
_lbrenterprisesllc@..._ (mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@...) writes:

This site is just getting started. Please give it a chance
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc

--- On Tue, 1/31/12, __alizoo@..._ (mailto:_alizoo@...) _
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<__alizoo@..._ (mailto:_alizoo@...) _
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From: __alizoo@..._ (mailto:_alizoo@...) _
(mailto:_alizoo@..._ (mailto:alizoo@...) )
<__alizoo@..._ (mailto:_alizoo@...) _
(mailto:_alizoo@..._ (mailto:alizoo@...) ) >
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
To: __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _
(mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) )
Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 7:46 PM

Hmm. Hotoz means just that Ho down to Z gauge - where does S go since it is
outside those parmeters? Alistair

On Wed 01/02/12 7:32 AM , Dave at LBR Enterprises
__lbrenterprisesllc@..._ (mailto:_lbrenterprisesllc@...) _
(mailto:_lbrenterprisesllc@..._ (mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@...) )
sent:
> __http://www.hotoz.net/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl__
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>
> This site is just starting up
>
> --- On Tue, 1/31/12, Rich wrote:
> From: Rich
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW AUCTION SITE (Advertisement)
> To:
> Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
>
> Dave -- what's the URL for the site?
> - Rich
> --- In , "David" wrote:
> >
> >
> > We have found a new auction site that we will be giving a try out.
> > Unlike EBAY the fees are more than reasonable which permits us to
> lower
> > our prices to be more in line with our own web site. For everyone
> here
> > that has had it with Ebay you might give it a look see.
> >
> > THIS NEW SITE IS FOR MODEL TRAINS AND ASSOCIATED ITEMS.
> >
> > We will be transfering most of our "O" gage decals there as well
> as a
> > lot of our "S" items and will more than likely be doing our
> auctions
> > there in future.
> >
> > Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > LBR Enterprises,llc
> >
> > 502-292-1872
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68071 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
If you pay by credit card, you can dispute the additional charge.

That just happened to me at a pizza place where they wrote in a tip on the credit card amount.

I leave a tip in the tip jar.

The credit card credited me the difference.

they will do that for you too,

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68072 From: michael prell Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: My Layout is Completed!
 
Again, Tim, Very Impressive!  So, when are you going to begin work on the scale version of The Guns Of Naverone in your mountain? Think about using carbide cannons:>)
Mike Prell

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68073 From: Dave Winslow Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
On 2/2/2012 8:38 PM, robert hendrickson wrote:
> Gentlemen,
> I have to respectfully disagree.Dave is entitled to express
> his opinions without censure or criticism if the moderator
> approves his post.

So, it seems you are being critical of those who have
expressed their right to be critical.

> You have the option to delete or ignore
> his posts but your comments amount ti trying to stifle his
> opinion.

Kind of like you are trying to stifle theirs?

> This forum should be about the free exchange of
> ideas or opinion without anyone getting snarky.

I agree, and I've seen nothing "snarky", only respectfully
expressed points of view.

> Everyone needs to breathe in, breathe out and move on.

Unless of course they feel differently. In that case, they
need to be tolerated. Criticism is not intolerance, nor does
it stifle. As you can see, it is pretty stimulating to me.

I leave you to discuss s-gauge trains. My tables, a 51/2'x
8' and a 4'x 8' connected via 12' narrow roadbeds along the
walls, is built but track not yet laid. My questions and
greater participation will come later. Thanks for a group.

Dave W. (not to be confused with that other guy)
>
> Bob
>
> ________________________________
> From: Al Baker <albaker33@...
> <mailto:albaker33%40comcast.net>>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 7:35 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
>
>
> Dave,
> I fully agree with Alistair. We will allow you to have your
> own opinion about ebay. You obviously have the respect of
> most people on this forum, so be glad of it and do what you
> think you need to do for your business. But the moaning is
> not flattering or helping you...
> Al Baker
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, alizoo@... wrote:
> >
> > Dave save your criticism. eBay may not be as good as it
> was to sellers in
> > particular but it still remains the best way to get goods
> out to a huge group of
> > buyers, including overeas. By all means exercise your
> right to shift and let
> > people know where they can get to you but leave off the
> constant moans. Alistair
> >
> > On Fri 03/02/12 4:38 AM , "David" reujan2000@... sent:
> > > And you wonder why we are getting out of ebay. Years
> ago it was the
> > > place to be but not any more!! [X-(]
> > > Dave
> > > LBR Enterprises,llc
> > > 502-292-1872
> > > --- In , "bull_gator_1"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > I have two wacky eBay tales from yesterday.
> > > >
> > > > First I won an auction for a Krispy Kreme truck. The
> listing was
> > > opening bid $12.00 with free shipping. I was the only
> bidder and won
> > > it
> > > for $12.00. The seller then added $2.00 to the PayPal
> invoice. I
> > > emailed
> > > him and asked what that was about and he replied saying
> he had made
> > > a
> > > mistake by offering free shipping and he was spending a
> ton on tape,
> > > so
> > > he added $2.00 to improve his profit margin. I emailed
> back and
> > > informed
> > > him this is against the eBay rules. I haven't heard
> back from him
> > > yet.
> > > The guy has a perfect feedback with over 300
> transactions so it will
> > > be
> > > interesting to hear his response.
> > > >
> > > > Second while reviewing the S-scale listing last night
> I saw close
> > > to
> > > 100 listings for 1/64 vehicles. All were new-in-box
> with starting
> > > bids
> > > at 2 - 3 times MSRP. None of them had any bids with
> less than 8
> > > hours to
> > > go. Do people really think they can run to WallyWorld
> and then
> > > resell
> > > stuff on eBay at 2 - 3 times what they paid? No wonder
> they have no
> > > bids.
> > > >
> > > > The world keeps turning but not fast enough to throw
> off the
> > > lunatics!
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > > Links:
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> > > [4]
> > >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68074 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: The eBay thing
While I like trolling the under table boxes at train shows, I bought a lot of stuff off eBay over the years. Not just in trains, but my other hobbies. But I quit going there.
The "bad guys" probably wouldn't be there if two things happened; First, if eBay actually policed their operations and didn't let the few thieves that they do "catch" sign right back up by changing their e-mail address and online name. Of course there would still be fees to contend with, which is unlikely to change as long as eBay remains "top of the heap."
Second, as long as the old adage; "A fool and his money are soon parted" holds true, things won't change. If the price of a current production item starts out or goes above list, or if an old item goes to it's "book" price, DON'T BID!
Yes, we can blame eBay for allowing thieves to keep operating, or gouging folks with their fees, but we cannot blame them if we act stupidly by feeding the crooks with our money!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68075 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: My layout is completed
Tim, I congatulate you and must tell you that I also feel a bit sad. I've enjoyed following the adventures of it's creation. I hope you find ways to "update" or "modify" it as time passes and keep us apraised of the changes.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68076 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Wacky eBay Behavior - Resolved
Hi All,

The seller finally responded and still ranted about the cost of shipping, doing business on eBay, how he's treated by other sellers, etc, etc. But he did remove the extra charge and I have sent him the payment in the original amount. So all is good.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68077 From: R G Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
I agree with you "Stunpy in Ahia" <  For me I like to hold and see and touch what I am going to buy and I do not like the idea of having to "bid" on an item.  I am in no rush to purchase anything and have found that by being patient I can aquire what I desire at a price I like with out going to e-bay. 


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From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 9:24 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] The eBay thing


 
While I like trolling the under table boxes at train shows, I bought a lot of stuff off eBay over the years. Not just in trains, but my other hobbies. But I quit going there.
The "bad guys" probably wouldn't be there if two things happened; First, if eBay actually policed their operations and didn't let the few thieves that they do "catch" sign right back up by changing their e-mail address and online name. Of course there would still be fees to contend with, which is unlikely to change as long as eBay remains "top of the heap."
Second, as long as the old adage; "A fool and his money are soon parted" holds true, things won't change. If the price of a current production item starts out or goes above list, or if an old item goes to it's "book" price, DON'T BID!
Yes, we can blame eBay for allowing thieves to keep operating, or gouging folks with their fees, but we cannot blame them if we act stupidly by feeding the crooks with our money!
Stumpy in Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68078 From: David Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Stumpy,
Right on, right on!!
Dave

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> While I like trolling the under table boxes at train shows, I bought a lot of stuff off eBay over the years. Not just in trains, but my other hobbies. But I quit going there.
> The "bad guys" probably wouldn't be there if two things happened; First, if eBay actually policed their operations and didn't let the few thieves that they do "catch" sign right back up by changing their e-mail address and online name. Of course there would still be fees to contend with, which is unlikely to change as long as eBay remains "top of the heap."
> Second, as long as the old adage; "A fool and his money are soon parted" holds true, things won't change. If the price of a current production item starts out or goes above list, or if an old item goes to it's "book" price, DON'T BID!
> Yes, we can blame eBay for allowing thieves to keep operating, or gouging folks with their fees, but we cannot blame them if we act stupidly by feeding the crooks with our money!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68079 From: David Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: "NEW" Pilot Truck Update (Advertisement)
Well, we received our prototype AF ATLANTIC "HEAVY WEIGHT PILOT TRUCK"
and it is a beauty. The original pilot trucks weighs approx 1/2 oz. Ours
weighs approx 2oz.

We have installed it on an AF #302 and have run it in both directions,
over turn outs and cross tracks for more than 6 hours and not even the
first sign of a de-railment.

We have the photos at our web site
http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> and it is now open
for purchase.
However, the first shipping date is 02-13-2012 as we will not receive
the first lot of trucks (25 ea.) until approx. 02-10-2012 / 02-12-2012
time
frame.

Some bad new. The first 25 orders will be the price of $8.95 ea. as we
promised but do to an unforseen material rise the subsequent orders will
have to be $9.95 ea. so beat the rush & price rise. "ORDER EARLY".

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-282-1872





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68080 From: rick gough Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: More Wacky Ebay Behavior - Train Related
And how is this train related?
Dave, on the other hand, should have every right to express his concerns with dealing with Ebay as this is educational for anyone in the group thinking of selling thru that organization. We all benefit thru others experiences only if we have access.

rick gough
SSS datsun 510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68081 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
I find it sad that some will judge for others on what eBay is. Sorry I love EBay and not just for trains.

I have no idea what the heck you all are talking about, as I have had over 125 transactions and only one bad issue, that got taken care of. And it was not eBay fault but a dis-honest TCA member selling a 21130 Hudson with nothing broken. Except he did not mentioned that all the steps on the tender where re-glued. EBay fault? No, not at all.

I have never seen a current production item go haywire on eBay, unless it is no longer at any hobby shoppes. I sold a SHS Christmas car for 109.00, not on eBay but here. Does that make me a thief? I had the car, I offered it at a price and someone wanted it and accepted what I was selling it for. end of story.

If one does not like eBay,, don’t use it and don’t make judgments on how awful it is. Maybe for you it is, but not for me.

Mike

From: mrstumpy50
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:24 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] The eBay thing


While I like trolling the under table boxes at train shows, I bought a lot of stuff off eBay over the years. Not just in trains, but my other hobbies. But I quit going there.
The "bad guys" probably wouldn't be there if two things happened; First, if eBay actually policed their operations and didn't let the few thieves that they do "catch" sign right back up by changing their e-mail address and online name. Of course there would still be fees to contend with, which is unlikely to change as long as eBay remains "top of the heap."
Second, as long as the old adage; "A fool and his money are soon parted" holds true, things won't change. If the price of a current production item starts out or goes above list, or if an old item goes to it's "book" price, DON'T BID!
Yes, we can blame eBay for allowing thieves to keep operating, or gouging folks with their fees, but we cannot blame them if we act stupidly by feeding the crooks with our money!
Stumpy in Ahia





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68082 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Who are the bad guys on ebay???????? No one forces anyone to bid on any thing on ebay.

I never been gouge with fees, as in David’s case that person did a illegal thing and that could have been contested with ebay and the credit card company. I don’t pay by check.

Mike

From: mrstumpy50
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:24 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] The eBay thing


While I like trolling the under table boxes at train shows, I bought a lot of stuff off eBay over the years. Not just in trains, but my other hobbies. But I quit going there.
The "bad guys" probably wouldn't be there if two things happened; First, if eBay actually policed their operations and didn't let the few thieves that they do "catch" sign right back up by changing their e-mail address and online name. Of course there would still be fees to contend with, which is unlikely to change as long as eBay remains "top of the heap."
Second, as long as the old adage; "A fool and his money are soon parted" holds true, things won't change. If the price of a current production item starts out or goes above list, or if an old item goes to it's "book" price, DON'T BID!
Yes, we can blame eBay for allowing thieves to keep operating, or gouging folks with their fees, but we cannot blame them if we act stupidly by feeding the crooks with our money!
Stumpy in Ahia





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68083 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: 785 Coal Loader Problem
Hi Rich. I appreciate your wire information on the 785. I’m still trying to sort out the connections for each wire. I have four bundled wires – green, red, black and yellow. While I was pulling the bundle to take slack out of the wires, the yellow wire broke. I don’t know where it attaches to. I did discover that a black wire that attaches to the clam shell needs to be soldered to the coil under the chute. In Doug’s wiring diagram, 2 wires come from the coil to the shell – yellow and black. Is this correct? I have not attached the black wire to the coil at this time, So, right now I need to find out where that broken yellow wire in the bundle connects. Does this make any sense? As you can tell I’m not an electrician. I Just enjoy my AF trains and accessories. Thanks again for your help.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:42 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 785 Coal Loader Problem





Bob -- the wiring for my just acquired 785 looks to be the same as what Doug has on his site. Five wires, of which four are in a bundle, plus a fifth wire that in my case is yellow. that wire goes to one of the leads for the clamshell. The other clamshell wire is attached - along with two other wires - to one of the brush posts.

The red button does two things - it closes the clamshell and turns the motor on in the direction of pulling the clamshell up and eventually into the coal loader housing. When you stop pushing that button, the clamshell opens and it stops moving. All the green button does is lower the (open) clamshell.

the clamshell should move freely when you move the shells by hand. In my case, the solenoid seems kind of wimpy as it has a hard time 'digging into' the coal pile. I don't know if this is a common problem...

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for those tips Ron on the 785. I’ll run tests on your troubleshooting suggestions.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Ronald Prucha
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:46 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 785 Coal Loader Problem
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>
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> Red button up should close the clam shell. Coil may be shot on clamshell or the
> clamshell frozen up. Release red button should stop up motion and open
> clamshell Make sure wiring is connected to coil on clamshell.
>
> Ron
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bob Iannacone <biannaco@... <mailto:biannaco@...%20%3cmailto:biannaco%40bellsouth.net> <mailto:biannaco%40bellsouth.net> >
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, January 31, 2012 11:18:04 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] 785 Coal Loader Problem
>
>
>
> Hi S-members. I have an AF 785 Coal Loader and I can't get the clam shell
> to open and close to pick up or release the coal. All three buttons work -
> green down; red up; and middle button to make the chute work. Is it
> possible that I crossed the wires at the clam shell connection? I'm using
> Doug Peck's wiring diagram to trouble shoot, but I still have a wire out of
> place to make the clam work. Any help out there is appreciated. Thanks
> and have a great day.
>
> Bob - aftrains4u
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68084 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Where do you get your locomotives?
Hi All,

I did a check of my locomotive inventory and here is where I got them:

Train Shows (TCA, GATS, etc): 9%
S-Trains group members: 9%
Local friends: 6%
eBay: 76%
Local hobby shops: 0%

I would bet the rolling stock and accessories inventory is close to the same if not somewhat higher from eBay. So you can see in my part of the country it is pretty much eBay and not much more - notice 0% from hobby shops! Hobby shops in the deep south just don't and won't carry S-gauge.

I would do the same calculations for my rolling stock but that would be too time consuming right now.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68085 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: 785 Coal Loader Problem
One yellow wire is attached underneath the red button on the control box. This yellow wire goes from there to the clam bucket.  The other yellow wire goes from the solder terminal along the bar under the control box to the accessory post on the transformer.  If Doug's site has Tom Krell's drawing it should show you where these wire go. I also have these in my Parts & Service book.
� Tom Seccia





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From: Bob Iannacone <biannaco@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: 785 Coal Loader Problem


 
Hi Rich. I appreciate your wire information on the 785. I’m still trying to sort out the connections for each wire. I have four bundled wires – green, red, black and yellow. While I was pulling the bundle to take slack out of the wires, the yellow wire broke. I don’t know where it attaches to. I did discover that a black wire that attaches to the clam shell needs to be soldered to the coil under the chute. In Doug’s wiring diagram, 2 wires come from the coil to the shell – yellow and black. Is this correct? I have not attached the black wire to the coil at this time, So, right now I need to find out where that broken yellow wire in the bundle connects. Does this make any sense? As you can tell I’m not an electrician. I Just enjoy my AF trains and accessories. Thanks again for your help.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:42 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 785 Coal Loader Problem

Bob -- the wiring for my just acquired 785 looks to be the same as what Doug has on his site. Five wires, of which four are in a bundle, plus a fifth wire that in my case is yellow. that wire goes to one of the leads for the clamshell. The other clamshell wire is attached - along with two other wires - to one of the brush posts.

The red button does two things - it closes the clamshell and turns the motor on in the direction of pulling the clamshell up and eventually into the coal loader housing. When you stop pushing that button, the clamshell opens and it stops moving. All the green button does is lower the (open) clamshell.

the clamshell should move freely when you move the shells by hand. In my case, the solenoid seems kind of wimpy as it has a hard time 'digging into' the coal pile. I don't know if this is a common problem...

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for those tips Ron on the 785. I’ll run tests on your troubleshooting suggestions.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Ronald Prucha
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:46 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 785 Coal Loader Problem
>
>
>
>
>
> Red button up should close the clam shell. Coil may be shot on clamshell or the
> clamshell frozen up. Release red button should stop up motion and open
> clamshell Make sure wiring is connected to coil on clamshell.
>
> Ron
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bob Iannacone <biannaco@... <mailto:biannaco@...%20%3cmailto:biannaco%40bellsouth.net> <mailto:biannaco%40bellsouth.net> >
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, January 31, 2012 11:18:04 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] 785 Coal Loader Problem
>
>
>
> Hi S-members. I have an AF 785 Coal Loader and I can't get the clam shell
> to open and close to pick up or release the coal. All three buttons work -
> green down; red up; and middle button to make the chute work. Is it
> possible that I crossed the wires at the clam shell connection? I'm using
> Doug Peck's wiring diagram to trouble shoot, but I still have a wire out of
> place to make the clam work. Any help out there is appreciated. Thanks
> and have a great day.
>
> Bob - aftrains4u
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68086 From: Rich Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: 785 Coal Loader Problem
Bob -- as far as I can tell, my 785 is wired like the diagram provided by Doug. The yellow wire in the four-wire bundle from the control buttons goes to one side of the solenoid coil that controls the opening of the chute. The other wire on that same solenoid coil, which in my case is black, runs to one of the caps the covers the brush holder for the motor (that cap, when you slide it off, actually holds the spring down in the brush tube). That same cap has two other wires connected to it - a black wire that is from the four-wire bundle running back to the control buttons and a third wire - also black but covered in a flexible 'cloth'-type covering - is one of the wires going to the clamshell.

Lastly, the other black wire running from the clamshell runs inside the housing (near the motor) and is spliced to the single, fifth wire that runs back to the controller. Again, in my case, that wire is yellow (but not to be confused with the yellow wire that is part of the bundle). The wires from the clamshell come together inside a flexible cloth wrap that keeps both wires together as they pass from the clamshell and into the housing.

If you contact me off-list to provide me an email address, I can try to take some pictures of both the bottom of the control button and the connections inside the 785 housing and send them to you.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rich. I appreciate your wire information on the 785. I’m still trying to sort out the connections for each wire. I have four bundled wires â€" green, red, black and yellow. While I was pulling the bundle to take slack out of the wires, the yellow wire broke. I don’t know where it attaches to. I did discover that a black wire that attaches to the clam shell needs to be soldered to the coil under the chute. In Doug’s wiring diagram, 2 wires come from the coil to the shell â€" yellow and black. Is this correct? I have not attached the black wire to the coil at this time, So, right now I need to find out where that broken yellow wire in the bundle connects. Does this make any sense? As you can tell I’m not an electrician. I Just enjoy my AF trains and accessories. Thanks again for your help.
>
>
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:42 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 785 Coal Loader Problem
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob -- the wiring for my just acquired 785 looks to be the same as what Doug has on his site. Five wires, of which four are in a bundle, plus a fifth wire that in my case is yellow. that wire goes to one of the leads for the clamshell. The other clamshell wire is attached - along with two other wires - to one of the brush posts.
>
> The red button does two things - it closes the clamshell and turns the motor on in the direction of pulling the clamshell up and eventually into the coal loader housing. When you stop pushing that button, the clamshell opens and it stops moving. All the green button does is lower the (open) clamshell.
>
> the clamshell should move freely when you move the shells by hand. In my case, the solenoid seems kind of wimpy as it has a hard time 'digging into' the coal pile. I don't know if this is a common problem...
>
> - Rich
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for those tips Ron on the 785. I’ll run tests on your troubleshooting suggestions.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
> > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Ronald Prucha
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:46 AM
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 785 Coal Loader Problem
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Red button up should close the clam shell. Coil may be shot on clamshell or the
> > clamshell frozen up. Release red button should stop up motion and open
> > clamshell Make sure wiring is connected to coil on clamshell.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Bob Iannacone <biannaco@ <mailto:biannaco@%20%3cmailto:biannaco%40bellsouth.net> <mailto:biannaco%40bellsouth.net> >
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tue, January 31, 2012 11:18:04 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] 785 Coal Loader Problem
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi S-members. I have an AF 785 Coal Loader and I can't get the clam shell
> > to open and close to pick up or release the coal. All three buttons work -
> > green down; red up; and middle button to make the chute work. Is it
> > possible that I crossed the wires at the clam shell connection? I'm using
> > Doug Peck's wiring diagram to trouble shoot, but I still have a wire out of
> > place to make the clam work. Any help out there is appreciated. Thanks
> > and have a great day.
> >
> > Bob - aftrains4u
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68087 From: afdinger@bellsouth.net Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: On30 Conversions
I have been converting Bachmann On30 cars to AF. So far I have converted hoppers,boxcars, gondolas, flat car, and the skeleton log cars. All the cars, with exception of the log cars, are similar in size to the AF cars. The skeleton log cars seem undersized. Has anyone converted any other of the On30 cars? Are they similar in size to AF or are they undersized? I would also be interested in any information you might want to share. Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68088 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
And here I thought the saying was: A fool & his money are welcome everywhere.
 
Bob


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From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 9:24 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] The eBay thing


 
While I like trolling the under table boxes at train shows, I bought a lot of stuff off eBay over the years. Not just in trains, but my other hobbies. But I quit going there.
The "bad guys" probably wouldn't be there if two things happened; First, if eBay actually policed their operations and didn't let the few thieves that they do "catch" sign right back up by changing their e-mail address and online name. Of course there would still be fees to contend with, which is unlikely to change as long as eBay remains "top of the heap."
Second, as long as the old adage; "A fool and his money are soon parted" holds true, things won't change. If the price of a current production item starts out or goes above list, or if an old item goes to it's "book" price, DON'T BID!
Yes, we can blame eBay for allowing thieves to keep operating, or gouging folks with their fees, but we cannot blame them if we act stupidly by feeding the crooks with our money!
Stumpy in Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68089 From: Al Baker Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
Interesting! Here's my numbers:

Train Shows: 9%
S-Trains group members: 2%
Local friends: 0%
eBay: 89%
Local hobby shops: 0%

Maybe someone should start a poll?

Al Baker



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I did a check of my locomotive inventory and here is where I got them:
>
> Train Shows (TCA, GATS, etc): 9%
> S-Trains group members: 9%
> Local friends: 6%
> eBay: 76%
> Local hobby shops: 0%
>
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68090 From: Jimbo Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: ebay
just like anything buyer beware, and i very almost never buy anything new on ebay, and you have to watch the shipping costs seen some extra gouges there when the item is cheep the shipping dosnt match the real costs, overall i have been happy with ebay, but right now the vultures are buying the trains seperating the cars and reselling, as long as people pay the price it will continue
Group: S-Trains Message: 68091 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
I love Ebay. For the last 10 years, almost all of my buys are via Ebay. Here are my numbers:

Train Shows: 0%
S-Trains group members: 1%
Local friends: 1%
Local Hobby shops: 0%
Ebay: 98%

Bruce



From: Al Baker
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 7:19 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Where do you get your locomotives?



Interesting! Here's my numbers:

Train Shows: 9%
S-Trains group members: 2%
Local friends: 0%
eBay: 89%
Local hobby shops: 0%

Maybe someone should start a poll?

Al Baker

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I did a check of my locomotive inventory and here is where I got them:
>
> Train Shows (TCA, GATS, etc): 9%
> S-Trains group members: 9%
> Local friends: 6%
> eBay: 76%
> Local hobby shops: 0%
>
>
> David
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68092 From: Al Baker Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: On30 Conversions
I converted two old time coaches by using trucks from American Models. I think they look much better than the original Gilbert ones. You can see a picture in the photo albums section - under Al Baker's Customs.
Al Baker
Portland



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "afdinger@..." <afdinger@...> wrote:
>
> I have been converting Bachmann On30 cars to AF. So far I have converted hoppers,boxcars, gondolas, flat car, and the skeleton log cars. All the cars, with exception of the log cars, are similar in size to the AF cars. The skeleton log cars seem undersized. Has anyone converted any other of the On30 cars? Are they similar in size to AF or are they undersized? I would also be interested in any information you might want to share. Thanks.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68093 From: Rich Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
And mine - I woulda guessed a higher percentage from eBay:

Train shows: 0
S-trains group: 0 (but could have been one of my eBay purchases)
Local friends: 29%
eBay: 41%
Hobby shops: 18%
gifts as kid: 12% (from depart. store: Golds, Lincoln, NE; early 1950's)

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting! Here's my numbers:
>
> Train Shows: 9%
> S-Trains group members: 2%
> Local friends: 0%
> eBay: 89%
> Local hobby shops: 0%
>
> Maybe someone should start a poll?
>
> Al Baker
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I did a check of my locomotive inventory and here is where I got them:
> >
> > Train Shows (TCA, GATS, etc): 9%
> > S-Trains group members: 9%
> > Local friends: 6%
> > eBay: 76%
> > Local hobby shops: 0%
> >
> >
> > David
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68094 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
I added some categories to reflect my small collection and watch areas:




Train Shows:

0%


S-Trains group members:

0%


Local friends:

0%


eBay:

9%


Local hobby shops:

0%



Had since childhood:

9%


Public Auction:

82%


Antique Mall/Flea Market:

0%


Garage Sale:

0%





Ben





From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Al Baker
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:20 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Where do you get your locomotives?





Interesting! Here's my numbers:

Train Shows: 9%
S-Trains group members: 2%
Local friends: 0%
eBay: 89%
Local hobby shops: 0%

Maybe someone should start a poll?

Al Baker

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I did a check of my locomotive inventory and here is where I got them:
>
> Train Shows (TCA, GATS, etc): 9%
> S-Trains group members: 9%
> Local friends: 6%
> eBay: 76%
> Local hobby shops: 0%
>
>
> David
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68095 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
I purchased misrepresented locos twice from an outfit called Trainz (not to be mistaken for the computer simulation outfit.) Got ripped off completely by a purchase from an auction guy in Kentucky, and a Franklin was totally misrepresented by a guy in Florida and eBay would do nothing.
This does not count the rolling stock purchases.
Worse yet, I found almost the exact same locos later at better prices, I could SEE what I was buying, and there was no shipping. All good things come to those who wait, so I ended my eBaying in 2008!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68096 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Where do you get your locomotives?
Since I stay mainly with old Flyer locos, rebuild junk box finds, and kit bash everything, my numbers will probably differ from many others.

Train shows: 14 (11 from junk boxes)
S Trains Group: 1
Hobby Shop: 6 (4 from junk boxes)
eBay: 4 (I also got 10 pieces of rolling stock)
Manufacturer: 6 (Putt Trains)

All the junk box locos were rebuilt and running, some even sold already. I have been thinning this heard lately as 31 locomotives are a bit much for my needs. (Besides, there are always more to buy and rebuild!)

Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68097 From: Timboy Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Thanks To All!
Flyer Nation;

Thanks to all for the kind sentiments. I appreciate you.

Sure,there's thousands of things I could do to improve my layout. But why bother? I like it as is and it's fun to operate. I devoted a LOT of time and energy to building it. Now it's time to devote that same commitment to improving things around the house. I don't want to be that Train Guy who has a to-die-for layout, with paint peeling off the walls of his house. I've always thought that was pathetic and a disservice to the rest of the household. There's no paint peeling off my walls, but the point is - I would like to make the house even more comfortable for all who live here. I'm in the middle of a kitchen remodel job I'm doing myself. There are plenty of other upgrades scheduled for this year, including building some furniture and expanding my already large garden. Maybe in a year or two, I'll see my way clear to have at the layout again. But not right now. I'm not the guy who can do two things at the same time. I do one thing as well as I can and then move on.

It's also been suggested that I post some how-to tutorials on my blog. Between the four Train Forums that I know of, Doug Peck's Repair Clinic and Stumpy's Kit-Bashing Guide, I think everything is pretty well covered in that regard as well. I urge everyone to use this Train Forum to find answers to repair questions before making an inquiry. There is a lot of idiotic stuff to sift through, but I have found that good searches still yield good results on this Forum's archives. I've used that function a lot in the past couple years to refresh my memory on things I may have gotten cold on.

Those of us who have been on this Forum a while know that there have been those of us who have built a good layout. I won't name them here, lest I leave one of us out. Be the next Train Guy to show us how you are building your American Flyer Train Layout!

http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Timboy (I'll be watching!)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68098 From: Rich Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: On30 Conversions
Al -- wow. I just took a longer look at your photo album. You've done some very impressive kit-bashing on a lot of different locos. Do you have a primary source for information on the prototypes? Maybe Stumpy will let you guest write a couple of articles for his column...

Nice goin'

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:
>
> I converted two old time coaches by using trucks from American Models. I think they look much better than the original Gilbert ones. You can see a picture in the photo albums section - under Al Baker's Customs.
> Al Baker
> Portland
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "afdinger@" <afdinger@> wrote:
> >
> > I have been converting Bachmann On30 cars to AF. So far I have converted hoppers,boxcars, gondolas, flat car, and the skeleton log cars. All the cars, with exception of the log cars, are similar in size to the AF cars. The skeleton log cars seem undersized. Has anyone converted any other of the On30 cars? Are they similar in size to AF or are they undersized? I would also be interested in any information you might want to share. Thanks.
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68099 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: eBay
I don’t get too upset about shipping, as I look at the total picture of what my final bid and shipping might be.

I also take into the account of not driving 120 miles round trip to Baltimore for a Greenberg show, 2 adult admissions, lunch, my time. Train shows are great, but if it is a nice day, I am out doing other things, bike riding on Saturday and then going to Nationals Park on Sunday is very important to me and Linda.

By the way, Linda knows a lot about trains and we talk about things on the list and things trains. She also knows a lot about sports, more than you can image, as she score keeps at baseball games.

I told her about some of the sellers not liking eBay due to fees.

her response? “Sellers want to make as much money as they can, but eBay can’t make money too?” I am not familiar with the eBay fees, but I know auction houses have fees too. EBay has expenses, as it is a business. Just think of all the expenses they have, just like any business in life. Again, if a seller or a buyer does not want to use eBay, fine, that is your choice.

Mike

From: Jimbo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 7:46 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] ebay


just like anything buyer beware, and i very almost never buy anything new on ebay, and you have to watch the shipping costs seen some extra gouges there when the item is cheep the shipping dosnt match the real costs, overall i have been happy with ebay, but right now the vultures are buying the trains seperating the cars and reselling, as long as people pay the price it will continue





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68100 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks To All!
Tim.

Nice work.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68101 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Trainz is a TCA member, which surprises me about your purchase Stumpy. I am not sure if you are a TCA member. But you can contest the purchase if you are, no matter if it says no returns.

The Guy in Kentucky is a total jerk, as he has been talked about on this list before.

Don’t know the person in FL.

However, I think most people on ebay are decent people.

Again, use your credit card and dispute any charges, it works.

I have some issue with purchases at shows too, so it is hit and miss with both ebay and shows.

Ask questions up front no matter how silly you might think it is. No answer don’t buy.

there are a lot of good AF people on ebay.

Again, I had only a few bad purchases, one from the jerk in KY as I got my money back and one from a TCA guy in Reading with the 21130 Hudson with glued tender steps as he stated nothing broken.

Mike

From: mrstumpy50
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:01 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: The eBay thing


I purchased misrepresented locos twice from an outfit called Trainz (not to be mistaken for the computer simulation outfit.) Got ripped off completely by a purchase from an auction guy in Kentucky, and a Franklin was totally misrepresented by a guy in Florida and eBay would do nothing.
This does not count the rolling stock purchases.
Worse yet, I found almost the exact same locos later at better prices, I could SEE what I was buying, and there was no shipping. All good things come to those who wait, so I ended my eBaying in 2008!
Stumpy in Ahia





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68102 From: Dave Winslow Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: ebay
On 2/4/2012 7:46 AM, Jimbo wrote:
> just like anything buyer beware, and i very almost never buy
> anything new on ebay,

Its my first stop when a cheap item will do for my needs.
Ebay stores have everything.

> and you have to watch the shipping
> costs seen some extra gouges there when the item is cheep
> the shipping dosnt match the real costs, overall i have been
> happy with ebay,

We can presume that shipping cost quoted may cover box,
filling material, etc., which is not unfair at all.

> but right now the vultures are buying the
> trains seperating the cars and reselling, as long as people
> pay the price it will continue

When one does what brings in the most total dollars, it
means the sum of the people desires served is at its max.
If serving the most brings in the most, because there is not
enough money in keeping sets together, than so be it. Who
are you to call such a seller a vulture? Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 68103 From: joecraig60514 Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: S-Trains Group
Enjoy most of the posts but is there a way that we can get memmbers to just post a message without doing a respond to message function. Seems like evryones post has attached to it the previous messages. With the volume of emails,groups,etc. it would be nice to have a more compact and concise, easier to read digest.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68104 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: (no subject)
I have converted several Bachmann On30 " Colorado & Southern " old time
passenger cars to AF ( On42" ) By splitting the wheel trucks, this
keeps the old type trucks, and putting in a spacer to widen the truck to
On42" and using K-Line wheels work excellent, more weight and can be set
up with electrical pickup for the lighted passenger cars. I use K-D
"S" scale couplers, and pull this train with a converted, repainted and
detailed AF #300, converted to a DC with a low speed motor, and by using
a 2 voltage dropping Diodes across the motor, this allows more voltage
to the smoke unit. This is my Christmas display train, that runs
through Nov. to Jan.
Hint, I take the K-Line truck, which I removed the wheels for use on
my On42 train, and install AF wheels, which I trim the flanges and
install on custom built "S" scale cars


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68105 From: rapidrail1 Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: On30 Conversions
Take a look at Wayne's photo albums from about a year ago to see my various conversions. There are passenger cars in the Christmas photos.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "afdinger@..." <afdinger@...> wrote:
>
> I have been converting Bachmann On30 cars to AF. So far I have converted hoppers,boxcars, gondolas, flat car, and the skeleton log cars. All the cars, with exception of the log cars, are similar in size to the AF cars. The skeleton log cars seem undersized. Has anyone converted any other of the On30 cars? Are they similar in size to AF or are they undersized? I would also be interested in any information you might want to share. Thanks.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68106 From: Frank Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Be careful of trains in boxes that do not show the true item. I bought a set that only showed the cars and not the engines. When I got it, the PA's had GP trucks and the power unit had different motors. I did settle it by them returning some money back to me.
It is always best to see it in hand and check them out to see what runs or works before buying. Also the over priced new items come without any warranties. Your better off getting them from a dealer.
Frank

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:01 AM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

> I purchased misrepresented locos twice from an outfit called Trainz (not to be mistaken for the computer simulation outfit.) Got ripped off completely by a purchase from an auction guy in Kentucky, and a Franklin was totally misrepresented by a guy in Florida and eBay would do nothing.
> This does not count the rolling stock purchases.
> Worse yet, I found almost the exact same locos later at better prices, I could SEE what I was buying, and there was no shipping. All good things come to those who wait, so I ended my eBaying in 2008!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68107 From: Al Baker Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: On30 Conversions
Rich,
Thanks for the kind words. As maybe you can tell, I started to completely revise and update my albums, but got side tracked (a railroad term!), and need to finish it. I have several new neat customs not yet shown.

As for info on prototypes, I have more than 50 books on 1:1 scale, and I am very frequently reading about them on internet. And it doesn't hurt having two working 4-8-4's here in Portland to which I have connections...

Sometimes I wish I could tear myself away from train related stuff, but then I wonder why...??

Al Baker
Portland (the western one...)



--- In S-Trains@ yahoogroups.com, "Rich" <richs009@...> wrote:
>
> Al -- wow. I just took a longer look at your photo album. You've done some very impressive kit-bashing on a lot of different locos. Do you have a primary source for information on the prototypes? Maybe Stumpy will let you guest write a couple of articles for his column...
>
> Nice goin'
>
> - Rich
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@> wrote:
> >
> > I converted two old time coaches by using trucks from American Models. I think they look much better than the original Gilbert ones. You can see a picture in the photo albums section - under Al Baker's Customs.
> > Al Baker
> > Portland
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "afdinger@" <afdinger@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have been converting Bachmann On30 cars to AF. So far I have converted hoppers,boxcars, gondolas, flat car, and the skeleton log cars. All the cars, with exception of the log cars, are similar in size to the AF cars. The skeleton log cars seem undersized. Has anyone converted any other of the On30 cars? Are they similar in size to AF or are they undersized? I would also be interested in any information you might want to share. Thanks.
> > >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68108 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: S-Trains Group
BAD suggestion. Please dont delete the previous post - by all means delete a
whole string of them. I get fed up wondering what people are talking about when
they do delete the previous post. ASlistair

On Sun 05/02/12 1:00 AM , "joecraig60514" gunrjoe@... sent:
> Enjoy most of the posts but is there a way that we can get memmbers
> to just post a message without doing a respond to message function.
> Seems like evryones post has attached to it the previous messages.
> With the volume of emails,groups,etc. it would be nice to have a more
Group: S-Trains Message: 68109 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: S-Trains Group
Absolutely correct, Alistair. Many times, I'll receive a post with nothing to refer to, which is confusing. I think it is imperative to include at least the previous post.

Bruce



From: alizoo@...
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:26 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Trains Group



BAD suggestion. Please dont delete the previous post - by all means delete a
whole string of them. I get fed up wondering what people are talking about when
they do delete the previous post. ASlistair

On Sun 05/02/12 1:00 AM , "joecraig60514" gunrjoe@... sent:
> Enjoy most of the posts but is there a way that we can get memmbers
> to just post a message without doing a respond to message function.
> Seems like evryones post has attached to it the previous messages.
> With the volume of emails,groups,etc. it would be nice to have a more




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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/5/2012, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68111 From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: On30 Conversions
Bachmann passenger cars make a great conversion too. I converted some Great Northern passenger cars and put them behind an Atlantic. I used American Models 4 wheel heavyweight passenger trucks. Good looking train!
Unfortunately one of our club members who is a GN fan fell in love with them and had to have them. Guess I'll have to find some more.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68112 From: Tom David Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
HI Read the ebay posts with interest as a former avid collector and now selling, I have found ebay to be pro purchaser. I shipped a Lionel MIJack loader new in box to the buyer, Buyer said it did not work, took it apart and took it to a local hobby shop for repair could not fix it. then buyer wanted to return it to me for full price and shipping. Well I said NO WAY. I had 100% record with ebay and so did he. Well ebay let me keep the money let the buyer keep the loader and refunded buyer full price and shipping. Buyer got a free loader which he said was broken, if he had not taken it apart I would have refunded the money, If you take it apart you bought it!!! Ebay has increased their fees started a buyer protection plan, and in my experience there is no better place to buy... tough to sell..


Tom David

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-----Original Message-----
From: Frank <femiro2002@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:19 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: The eBay thing




Be careful of trains in boxes that do not show the true item. I bought a set that only showed the cars and not the engines. When I got it, the PA's had GP trucks and the power unit had different motors. I did settle it by them returning some money back to me.
It is always best to see it in hand and check them out to see what runs or works before buying. Also the over priced new items come without any warranties. Your better off getting them from a dealer.
Frank

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:01 AM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

> I purchased misrepresented locos twice from an outfit called Trainz (not to be mistaken for the computer simulation outfit.) Got ripped off completely by a purchase from an auction guy in Kentucky, and a Franklin was totally misrepresented by a guy in Florida and eBay would do nothing.
> This does not count the rolling stock purchases.
> Worse yet, I found almost the exact same locos later at better prices, I could SEE what I was buying, and there was no shipping. All good things come to those who wait, so I ended my eBaying in 2008!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
>
>
> TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo!
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68113 From: rapidrail1 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
I have actually done pretty well on ebay. The only rip-off was recently. I bought two Flyonel engines from a guy who, after the sale, jacked up the cost of shipping to more than the two individual items listed shipping combined. Now there is a new definition of combined shipping. I decided it was not worth fighting with the guy, but wait till he gets his feedback.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> I purchased misrepresented locos twice from an outfit called Trainz (not to be mistaken for the computer simulation outfit.) Got ripped off completely by a purchase from an auction guy in Kentucky, and a Franklin was totally misrepresented by a guy in Florida and eBay would do nothing.
> This does not count the rolling stock purchases.
> Worse yet, I found almost the exact same locos later at better prices, I could SEE what I was buying, and there was no shipping. All good things come to those who wait, so I ended my eBaying in 2008!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68114 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: On30 conversions
I've done several On30 conversions, and quite easily. Putting S Helper Service trucks and couplers under Bachmann cars is fairly easy and adds a new fleet of rolling stock of earlier and smaller vintage. The first time I took my conversions to a train show, folks were asking where I got the neat oldtime cars, so I told them that they were "made for me in China, all I have to do is change the trucks." This got plenty of laughs when I told them they were Bachmann.
Of course the conversion thing can go the other way, with S cars being converated to On30, an only slightly harder change. I used to convert S Helper Billboard reefers to On30 and wow that gang as much as the S gaugers since this was before Bachmann made their own billboard cars!
Yes, we're talking two different scales here, but the proportions of S standard guage and O narrow gauge are so close, that this is a natural swap. The ladders and brake wheels barely give away the scale difference and most of the other hardware on the cars is passably close.
I used American Models four wheel passenger trucks to convert Bachmann coaches to S and thereby also had electrical pick ups for the lighting. They looked especially good behind the early Flyer Atlantics with the extended smokebox. I swapped on a Franklin tender to make things even more "age appropriate."
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68115 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Washington set for sale
Here's another beauty I need to part with. All pieces original and like new
(yes the cannon too)
Contact off list for price and or photos.
Steve
Boise
2085-376-1159

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68116 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: 332 freight set from 1948 for sale. (Like new)
I hate to sell this prized possession but what I have to do, I have to do.
This is set #4615 (2). It has a 332 SIB, 628 log car, 633 B&O boxcar, 632
LNE coal hopper, 635 crane car, and a 630 caboose. This is a set from 1948
and all of the pieces are in LIKE NEW condition. The loco is DC and
beautiful.
Contact me off line for pricing and or photos. Photos won't show anything
other than what I have just told you
TCA guarantee
NASG member too..
Steve
Boise
208-376-1159

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68117 From: David Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: "NEW" HUDSON PILOT TRUCK (Advertisement)
You speak and we listen. Most of our clients have asked if we had planed
to make a NEW HEAVY WEIGHT PILOT TRUCK for the AF HUDSON. Our answer is
a resounding "YES".

As everyone already knows by experience the original ACG HUDSON pilot
truck is the same for the PACIFIC & NORTHERN engines and has the same
de-railment problem as the ATLANTIC'S do if that flimsy little spring
is missing or weak (which doesn't take long).

We are in the testing phase of our new replacement HEAVY WEIGHT (
approx. 1.5 oz) PILOT TRUCK for these engines.

It looks like the due date will be 02-21-2012 and the price will be
$13.95 ea. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html
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Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. You all are
the BEST! [:D]

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68118 From: johntech Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: First test cut
Hi Guys

Here is a picture of the first test cut for my future Rotary Coal Dumper.
I need to make a few tweaks in the drawing and milling process for the
final cuts. Then I can get the 2 ends cut out of 3/8" gray PVC and start
building.

Here is the link - http://tinyurl.com/76qkxqn

Or it can be found under Rotary Coal Dumper in the Photo section of the
S-Trains Yahoo Group.

Let me know what you think

Thanks

John Frankforther




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68119 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: First test cut
It looks like you've got a real good start on what should be an interesting project. Please keep us informed and provide some pix of this as it goes forward.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68120 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks To All!
Tim wrote:

<<<<It's also been suggested that I post some how-to tutorials on my
blog. Between the four Train Forums that I know of, Doug Peck's Repair
Clinic and Stumpy's Kit-Bashing Guide, I think everything is pretty well
covered in that regard as well.>>>



I would just add that I'm always willing to create new website clinics.
Several of the existing ones (I think I have over 40 now.....) were done
on request.

It may not get written and posted instantly, but I'm willing to keep
adding to them because I know from comments I've received that they do
get used a lot !

So if you need one and I can do it....just ask.



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68121 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: 0n30 converting
The log cars are small & could have beem made from HO cars, same with
there ore cars. But Originally, skeleton log cars are small.
The On30 passenger cars seem to be the same size as the AF #300
locomotive, they look good running on my layout next to the AF cars. I
have had some experience with E-bay and feel it is a big rip-off, &
hobby shops are good but have a lot of overhead expenses. All of my
cars On30 cars came from Garage sales and TCA shows. I haven't paid
more that $20 a car, At several shows I have purchased 0n30 cars new in
the box freight ( Beer ) cars for $20 each. I use K-Line trucks because
K-Line " S " cars show up at shows for $15. because they put " 027 " cars
on " S " trucks, I take the trucks off and install Lionel trucks on the
cars and sell them at train shows for $15.. I get the " S " wheel for
my time. & they make a nice looking " 027 " cars.

Jerry
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68122 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: The Al Baker Locomotive Collection
Al and all...I have just spent a pleasant 45 minutes studying your locomotive collection photos! YOU ARE DA' MAN! Neat stuff! Some very nice work to create some very nice locomotives! Being a B&O fan, I loved the "Cincinnatian" Royal Blue job especially.
For those of you who have ANY interest in steam locomotives or kit bashing, I recommend that you take a good, long look at this collection of locomotives. There are a few nice disels and electrics as well.
Good show!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68123 From: MikeS Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
Bringing the dead back from junk boxes is my favorite as well. I am certainly not as skilled at you, but, saving something from being scrapped? I just like the idea!

Mike Spanier

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Since I stay mainly with old Flyer locos, rebuild junk box finds, and kit bash everything, my numbers will probably differ from many others.
>
> Train shows: 14 (11 from junk boxes)
> S Trains Group: 1
> Hobby Shop: 6 (4 from junk boxes)
> eBay: 4 (I also got 10 pieces of rolling stock)
> Manufacturer: 6 (Putt Trains)
>
> All the junk box locos were rebuilt and running, some even sold already. I have been thinning this heard lately as 31 locomotives are a bit much for my needs. (Besides, there are always more to buy and rebuild!)
>
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68124 From: Al Baker Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: The Al Baker Locomotive Collection
Thanks Stumpy! Great timing! I just finished updating the album late last evening. (Al Baker's Custom "S" Locomotives)

There are lots of new pictures of lots of new locomotives with comments added. There are 90 pictures of about 40 custom locomotives, and included in the 90 are about a dozen pictures of some of my S Scale and new hi-rail(Challenger, etc). The really neat engines are in the middle.

I coded them so to show whether I made them (A), or bought them(O), or as in many cases, someone modified them, then I bought them and further customized them (OA).

As you will note, I try to give them road numbers of actual prototype locos.

Let me know if you have questions about any particular one(s).

Thanks,
Al Baker
Portland (the western one!)



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Al and all...I have just spent a pleasant 45 minutes studying your locomotive collection photos! YOU ARE DA' MAN! Neat stuff! Some very nice work to create some very nice locomotives! Being a B&O fan, I loved the "Cincinnatian" Royal Blue job especially.
> For those of you who have ANY interest in steam locomotives or kit bashing, I recommend that you take a good, long look at this collection of locomotives. There are a few nice disels and electrics as well.
> Good show!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68125 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
For me, it is hard to say, without actually going down to the train room, but I got many engines from eBay, local shows, York, a mix bag.

I did get a bad engine from a show, as the trucks on the diesel would not stay on the truck, when I tried to last it years later, since I never had a layout. I think it was missing a washer or something, as it is fixed now. So things can be bad at shows too.

I have learned you need to look real good and test things at shows too.

Oh, I got a 21130 engine at a show that wobbled, as Bob Tufts fixed it for as he was not the seller.

Mike

From: MikeS
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:27 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Where do you get your locomotives?


Bringing the dead back from junk boxes is my favorite as well. I am certainly not as skilled at you, but, saving something from being scrapped? I just like the idea!

Mike Spanier

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Since I stay mainly with old Flyer locos, rebuild junk box finds, and kit bash everything, my numbers will probably differ from many others.
>
> Train shows: 14 (11 from junk boxes)
> S Trains Group: 1
> Hobby Shop: 6 (4 from junk boxes)
> eBay: 4 (I also got 10 pieces of rolling stock)
> Manufacturer: 6 (Putt Trains)
>
> All the junk box locos were rebuilt and running, some even sold already. I have been thinning this heard lately as 31 locomotives are a bit much for my needs. (Besides, there are always more to buy and rebuild!)
>
> Stumpy in Ahia
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68126 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: The Al Baker Locomotive Collection
Al’s work is outstanding, I wish I had his talent.

I cut some of the bottom off.

Again, I have met Al a few months ago, a real nice person.

Mike

From: mrstumpy50
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 9:56 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] The Al Baker Locomotive Collection


Al and all...I have just spent a pleasant 45 minutes studying your locomotive collection photos! YOU ARE DA' MAN! Neat stuff! Some very nice work to create some very nice locomotives! Being a B&O fan, I loved the "Cincinnatian" Royal Blue job especially.
For those of you who have ANY interest in steam locomotives or kit bashing, I recommend that you take a good, long look at this collection of locomotives. There are a few nice disels and electrics as well.
Good show!
Stumpy in Ahia





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68127 From: americanflyer1953 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben E. Colley" <bencolley@...> wrote:
>
> I added some categories to reflect my small collection and watch areas:
>
>
>
>
> Train Shows:
>
> 0%
>
>
> S-Trains group members:
>
> 0%
>
>
> Local friends:
>
> 0%
>
>
> eBay:
>
> 9%
>
>
> Local hobby shops:
>
> 0%
>
>
>
> Had since childhood:
>
> 9%
>
>
> Public Auction:
>
> 82%
>
>
> Antique Mall/Flea Market:
>
> 0%
>
>
> Garage Sale:
>
> 0%
>
>
>
>
>
> Ben
>
>
>
>
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Al Baker
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:20 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
>
>
>
>
>
> Interesting! Here's my numbers:
>
> Train Shows: 9%
> S-Trains group members: 2%
> Local friends: 0%
> eBay: 89%
> Local hobby shops: 0%
>
> Maybe someone should start a poll?
>
> Al Baker
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I did a check of my locomotive inventory and here is where I got them:
> >
> > Train Shows (TCA, GATS, etc): 9%
> > S-Trains group members: 9%
> > Local friends: 6%
> > eBay: 76%
> > Local hobby shops: 0%
> >
> >
> > David
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I would have to say most of what I see at train shows are too high priced. So my rercentages run 80% Ebay and 20% auctions.

Ray
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68128 From: americanflyer1953 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> I purchased misrepresented locos twice from an outfit called Trainz (not to be mistaken for the computer simulation outfit.) Got ripped off completely by a purchase from an auction guy in Kentucky, and a Franklin was totally misrepresented by a guy in Florida and eBay would do nothing.
> This does not count the rolling stock purchases.
> Worse yet, I found almost the exact same locos later at better prices, I could SEE what I was buying, and there was no shipping. All good things come to those who wait, so I ended my eBaying in 2008!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>

Stumpy - I've had just one purchase from Trainz over the years and found them to be reliable. The care in packaging was great and the loco still runs great.

Ray
Group: S-Trains Message: 68129 From: Timboy Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: The Al Baker Locomotive Collection
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Al and all...I have just spent a pleasant 45 minutes studying your locomotive collection photos! YOU ARE DA' MAN! Neat stuff! Some very nice work to create some very nice locomotives! Being a B&O fan, I loved the "Cincinnatian" Royal Blue job especially.
> For those of you who have ANY interest in steam locomotives or kit bashing, I recommend that you take a good, long look at this collection of locomotives. There are a few nice disels and electrics as well.
> Good show!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Flyer Nation;

I couldn't agree more with Stumpy's comments. That is a truly fine and inspiring body of work. It is now the standard, at least as far as I'm concerned. Why? Because they are splendidly done AND they still retain the look and "feel" of American Flyer locos. In many of them, I see the "what if the AC Gilbert factory produced them" factor.

I now know what my next projects will be when I get back into that aspect of "playing" with my trains someday.

Outstanding work, Al! BRAVO!

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68130 From: Mark Mugnai Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
50-50 split; train shows and eBay

Mark in Oregon

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I did a check of my locomotive inventory and here is where I got them:
>
> Train Shows (TCA, GATS, etc): 9%
> S-Trains group members: 9%
> Local friends: 6%
> eBay: 76%
> Local hobby shops: 0%
>
> I would bet the rolling stock and accessories inventory is close to the same if not somewhat higher from eBay. So you can see in my part of the country it is pretty much eBay and not much more - notice 0% from hobby shops! Hobby shops in the deep south just don't and won't carry S-gauge.
>
> I would do the same calculations for my rolling stock but that would be too time consuming right now.
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68131 From: Dave Bellian Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
What is the link to see your locos.
Thanks,

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 5, 2012 12:53 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Where do you get your locomotives?






50-50 split; train shows and eBay

Mark in Oregon

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I did a check of my locomotive inventory and here is where I got them:
>
> Train Shows (TCA, GATS, etc): 9%
> S-Trains group members: 9%
> Local friends: 6%
> eBay: 76%
> Local hobby shops: 0%
>
> I would bet the rolling stock and accessories inventory is close to the same if not somewhat higher from eBay. So you can see in my part of the country it is pretty much eBay and not much more - notice 0% from hobby shops! Hobby shops in the deep south just don't and won't carry S-gauge.
>
> I would do the same calculations for my rolling stock but that would be too time consuming right now.
>
> David
>







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Group: S-Trains Message: 68132 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: On30 conversions
Hi Stumpy,

That is very interesting (as usual for your posts). Do you use talgo
type trucks or do you body-mount couplers?
Scale or hi-rail on the flanges and couplers?

I have looked at some of those cars and I do like them. I don't find
them much below $40 before the cost of trucks and couplers. Is that
about right?

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 2/5/2012 4:40 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
> I've done several On30 conversions, and quite easily. Putting S Helper Service trucks and couplers under Bachmann cars is fairly easy and adds a new fleet of rolling stock of earlier and smaller vintage. The first time I took my conversions to a train show, folks were asking where I got the neat oldtime cars, so I told them that they were "made for me in China, all I have to do is change the trucks." This got plenty of laughs when I told them they were Bachmann.
> Of course the conversion thing can go the other way, with S cars being converated to On30, an only slightly harder change. I used to convert S Helper Billboard reefers to On30 and wow that gang as much as the S gaugers since this was before Bachmann made their own billboard cars!
> Yes, we're talking two different scales here, but the proportions of S standard guage and O narrow gauge are so close, that this is a natural swap. The ladders and brake wheels barely give away the scale difference and most of the other hardware on the cars is passably close.
> I used American Models four wheel passenger trucks to convert Bachmann coaches to S and thereby also had electrical pick ups for the lighting. They looked especially good behind the early Flyer Atlantics with the extended smokebox. I swapped on a Franklin tender to make things even more "age appropriate."
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68133 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
Seeing Ben, list Flea market, I did get a really nice 343 engine at Trader’s World near Cincinnati probably the largest flea market in the country with indoor places.

The price was right, 325 in 1992 in great shape and runs well. I still have the credit card receipt for it. I think they where called K and Y Trains. I do not see them listed anymore on Google, as places come and go.

I did get some great things from a Antique Shoppe which is usually not the place to buy trains, a set of E+ 494/495 NH diesels at 10% less than the Doyle book, as we know the Doyle book is way off. Plus the next year, I got a set with a 336 Big Boy from the same shoppe at 10% off Doyle.

Usually Antique shoppes are way overpriced hoping to have a impulse sale from someone not into trains, but had this as a kid and that is fine, for the shop owner.

I also got a box set, the 1958 NP set from a old fashion hardware store, across the river in NJ from New Hope, PA. The set was just sitting on the counter, as he was selling it for someone. I got the set for 1,000. The Hardware store is no more, but a guitar shoppe in the name of the hardware store, J.B. Klein’s.

Mike

Mike
From: americanflyer1953
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:16 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Where do you get your locomotives?




--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Ben E. Colley" <bencolley@...> wrote:
>
> I added some categories to reflect my small collection and watch areas:
>
>
>
>
> Train Shows:
>
> 0%
>
>
> S-Trains group members:
>
> 0%
>
>
> Local friends:
>
> 0%
>
>
> eBay:
>
> 9%
>
>
> Local hobby shops:
>
> 0%
>
>
>
> Had since childhood:
>
> 9%
>
>
> Public Auction:
>
> 82%
>
>
> Antique Mall/Flea Market:
>
> 0%
>
>
> Garage Sale:
>
> 0%
>
>
>
>
>
> Ben
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68134 From: hjsheffield Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: 44 Tonner
I have a 44 Tonner kit from SMMW in high rail for $375 reduced from $345.00 if anyone is interested.
Howard
Group: S-Trains Message: 68135 From: johntech Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: First test cut
Thank you Stumpy.

This will truly be my first true scratch build as I have to design and build about 90% of the parts myself.
I will post here as I progress

Thank you

John Frankforther
----- Original Message -----
From: mrstumpy50
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 9:59 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:First test cut



It looks like you've got a real good start on what should be an interesting project. Please keep us informed and provide some pix of this as it goes forward.
Stumpy in Ahia





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68136 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Set Box Identification
Hi All,

I am looking for a guide that lists which boxes were used for AF sets. Is there a list on-line or in one of the reference books?

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68137 From: Don 'Mac' Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
OK.....here's another 7 1/2 cents worth
of info. (Inflation, you know).

Locos purchased from:
(out of a total of 26 power units)

_hobby shops; dealers; mail orders; etc.
(SHS, AM, Port Lines, SMMW, Scen.Unlit.
Hoquat Hob. etc)......50%

_folks on the S-lists...34.5%

_train shows............15.5%

_eb. (evil-bid)..........0%

(Number of Flyer power units...'zero')

Don McGinnis
Group: S-Trains Message: 68138 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Build your own "action" cars
The latest guide "Make Your Own "ActionCars" in S Gauge" is up on Chuck Harrington's myflyertrains.org website under "Stumpy's Station." In it I show how to build very simple log dumping and coal dumping cars that need no electrical connections or special tracks to operate. I also explain how to make more realistic logs.
Due to a technical problem with Comcast, the format is a bit different, but the information and photos are all there. I'll be making changes for any future guides or long construction articles.
Thanks again to Chuck for making this possible.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68139 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: On30 conversions
Bill...I use the talgo set up because I am a Hi-railer, but you could use scale wheelsets on the trucks and mount Kadee couplers too, they woul;d probably fit the Bachmann coupler boxes.
Prices of Bachmann cars do vary a lot, and due to the recent cross-the-board price increases of everything from China, they took a jump. However, they can still be found on some Internet dealer sites for as low as $15. each for freight cars and $25. for coaches. I suspect this is older stock that they are trying to move.
Used ones are starting to appear at train shows and at good prices. If you dig into On30 a bit, you'll find that other manufacturers are getting into supplying the scale/gauge with rolling stock as well, including some nice lits.
Being in On30 also for many years, I have done a dozen of these, and am always surprised at the number of S gauge folks at train shows that STILL don't know what they are!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68140 From: flyerguy63 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Silver Flash diesel
Thank you all for the input ! I ended up adding 3 jumper feeds to my track and the loco runs great! hoping to convert it to DC by next Christmas so no more problems. Thanks again fellow Flyer fans !
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "flyerguy63" <flyerguy63@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I have an AF Silver flash diesel on my 5 x 12 flat layout and the problem I an having is when the train gets to a point opposit of the power connectors the train slows down to almost a stop then picks up speed again. I have cleaned the track checked for tight connections all the basic stuff but still have the problem. Could it be my transformer is getting weak or possably my wireing to the track is too thin?
> Thanks again for all the help
> Mark
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68141 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
I am very impressed with you guys. I know I bought my SHS locos from
SHS. Everything else? No one knows nor can remember. Do you keep records?

BTW, I buy some from eBay (happy), some at train shows (happy) and some
new from manufacturers or rarely hobby shops (happy). Really have no
idea which from where (except the SHS and the lone AM from a hobby shop)
as there has been some churn over the years.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 2/5/2012 2:04 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
> Seeing Ben, list Flea market, I did get a really nice 343 engine at Trader’s World near Cincinnati probably the largest flea market in the country with indoor places.
>
> The price was right, 325 in 1992 in great shape and runs well. I still have the credit card receipt for it. I think they where called K and Y Trains. I do not see them listed anymore on Google, as places come and go.
>
> I did get some great things from a Antique Shoppe which is usually not the place to buy trains, a set of E+ 494/495 NH diesels at 10% less than the Doyle book, as we know the Doyle book is way off. Plus the next year, I got a set with a 336 Big Boy from the same shoppe at 10% off Doyle.
>
> Usually Antique shoppes are way overpriced hoping to have a impulse sale from someone not into trains, but had this as a kid and that is fine, for the shop owner.
>
> I also got a box set, the 1958 NP set from a old fashion hardware store, across the river in NJ from New Hope, PA. The set was just sitting on the counter, as he was selling it for someone. I got the set for 1,000. The Hardware store is no more, but a guitar shoppe in the name of the hardware store, J.B. Klein’s.
>
> Mike
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68142 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Set Box Identification
http://www.amazon.com/almost-complete-guide-American-Flyer/dp/0967559200

the official title of the book.

Out of print.

Mike

From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 3:44 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Set Box Identification


Hi All,

I am looking for a guide that lists which boxes were used for AF sets. Is there a list on-line or in one of the reference books?

David





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68143 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Set Box Identification
Bob Tufts Almost Complete Guide to Sets is one book, if you can find it.
It is out of print and sadly the author passed away in 2004.
Mike
From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 3:44 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Set Box Identification


Hi All,

I am looking for a guide that lists which boxes were used for AF sets. Is there a list on-line or in one of the reference books?

David





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68144 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: 44 Tonner
Howard, do you work in the Govt. accounting office? Mike in Ore


In a message dated 2/5/2012 1:53:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
hjsheff@... writes:




I have a 44 Tonner kit from SMMW in high rail for $375 reduced from $345.00
if anyone is interested.
Howard






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Group: S-Trains Message: 68145 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Where do you get your locomotives?
I was going to mention that I got my SHS engines directly from SHS, but I was just thinking collectables. Oh wait, SHS engines could be collectable one day. Just kidding Don, I hope you flood the market with lots of engines soon.

And go Pats, oops.

Mike

From: Bill Porter
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:54 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Where do you get your locomotives?


I am very impressed with you guys. I know I bought my SHS locos from
SHS. Everything else? No one knows nor can remember. Do you keep records?

BTW, I buy some from eBay (happy), some at train shows (happy) and some
new from manufacturers or rarely hobby shops (happy). Really have no
idea which from where (except the SHS and the lone AM from a hobby shop)
as there has been some churn over the years.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68146 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: On30 conversions
Thanks Stumpy, I am one of those ignorant folks. I like passenger car
trains. So, I expect I will be looking for some at the next few train
shows down here. I like $25. I am not as happy with $50. Highrail and
big, clunky couplers are a fit for my big clunky vision. I did scale
stuff for a lot of years and thoroughly enjoyed it. Now, it is clunks
for me.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 2/5/2012 3:19 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
> Bill...I use the talgo set up because I am a Hi-railer, but you could use scale wheelsets on the trucks and mount Kadee couplers too, they woul;d probably fit the Bachmann coupler boxes.
> Prices of Bachmann cars do vary a lot, and due to the recent cross-the-board price increases of everything from China, they took a jump. However, they can still be found on some Internet dealer sites for as low as $15. each for freight cars and $25. for coaches. I suspect this is older stock that they are trying to move.
> Used ones are starting to appear at train shows and at good prices. If you dig into On30 a bit, you'll find that other manufacturers are getting into supplying the scale/gauge with rolling stock as well, including some nice lits.
> Being in On30 also for many years, I have done a dozen of these, and am always surprised at the number of S gauge folks at train shows that STILL don't know what they are!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68147 From: Robert A Persing Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Set Box Identification
You should look for a copy of Bob Tufts book The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Guage Sets.Sorry to say Bob died a couple years ago and I don,t know if it is still in print. Bob Persing.
----- Original Message -----
From: bull_gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 3:44 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Set Box Identification



Hi All,

I am looking for a guide that lists which boxes were used for AF sets. Is there a list on-line or in one of the reference books?

David




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68148 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Set Box Identification
Look at the BOB TUFTS book..... Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 2/5/12, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:


From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Set Box Identification
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 5, 2012, 3:44 PM



 



Hi All,

I am looking for a guide that lists which boxes were used for AF sets. Is there a list on-line or in one of the reference books?

David








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Group: S-Trains Message: 68149 From: C Robert Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: AF Price Adjustments
Hi S-Members on Super Sunday. I have made price adjustments on my American Flyer and Lionel/AF trains on my website - www.americanflyertrains4u.com. I used the new 2012 TM Price and Rarity Guide to bring prices within appropriate rates. All of the Lionel/American Flyer product is brand new in original boxes. They have never been on the track. On higher priced items I will adjust postage for shipping on this limited time offer. However, all shipments will be insured.

I hope your favorite team, whether the Giants or Patriots, win today on this Great Sunday. Take care.

Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 68150 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/5/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
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Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68151 From: Brady Burdge Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: The Al Baker Locomotive Collection
Amazing!

Picture a minimalist (Mike Kolloseus/Hall of Science) Horseshoe Curve
for all that Pennsy power. Sure would be sweet..



Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 68152 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: 44 Tonner
From the moderator..

Howard,

I believe Mike is questioning your pricing?
I think you have the numbers reversed???
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Mike

No, I am retired from a non govt position.

Howard


On Feb 5, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Anormal1@... wrote:

> Howard, do you work in the Govt. accounting office? Mike in Ore
>
>
> In a message dated 2/5/2012 1:53:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> hjsheff@... writes:
>
> I have a 44 Tonner kit from SMMW in high rail for $375 reduced from $345.00
> if anyone is interested.
> Howard
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68153 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Set Box Identification
Book is out of print.

Very difficult to find.

Mike

From: Robert Conner
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 5:51 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Set Box Identification


Look at the BOB TUFTS book..... Bob Conner





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68154 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: 44 Tonner
Sorry Howard, I was making light of your error, Mike


In a message dated 2/5/2012 3:17:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
hjsheff@... writes:




From the moderator..

Howard,

I believe Mike is questioning your pricing?
I think you have the numbers reversed???
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Mike

No, I am retired from a non govt position.

Howard

On Feb 5, 2012, at 2:25 PM, _Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...)
wrote:

> Howard, do you work in the Govt. accounting office? Mike in Ore
>
>
> In a message dated 2/5/2012 1:53:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> _hjsheff@..._ (mailto:hjsheff@...) writes:
>
> I have a 44 Tonner kit from SMMW in high rail for $375 reduced from
$345.00
> if anyone is interested.
> Howard
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68155 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: 44 Tonner
No Problemo

I'm glad it was pointed out to me. Now if someone would step and buy it, all would be well.

Howard


On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:21 PM, anormal1@... wrote:

> Sorry Howard, I was making light of your error, Mike
>
>
> In a message dated 2/5/2012 3:17:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> hjsheff@... writes:
>
> From the moderator..
>
> Howard,
>
> I believe Mike is questioning your pricing?
> I think you have the numbers reversed???
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Hi Mike
>
> No, I am retired from a non govt position.
>
> Howard
>
> On Feb 5, 2012, at 2:25 PM, _Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...)
> wrote:
>
> > Howard, do you work in the Govt. accounting office? Mike in Ore
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/5/2012 1:53:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > _hjsheff@..._ (mailto:hjsheff@...) writes:
> >
> > I have a 44 Tonner kit from SMMW in high rail for $375 reduced from
> $345.00
> > if anyone is interested.
> > Howard
> >
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> >
> >
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68156 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: 44 Tonner
OUCH

He is correct, the price should be $275

Hpward


On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:05 PM, Howard Sheffield wrote:

> From the moderator..
>
> Howard,
>
> I believe Mike is questioning your pricing?
> I think you have the numbers reversed???
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Hi Mike
>
> No, I am retired from a non govt position.
>
> Howard
>
> On Feb 5, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Anormal1@... wrote:
>
> > Howard, do you work in the Govt. accounting office? Mike in Ore
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/5/2012 1:53:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > hjsheff@... writes:
> >
> > I have a 44 Tonner kit from SMMW in high rail for $375 reduced from $345.00
> > if anyone is interested.
> > Howard
> >
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> >
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68157 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: The eBay thing
I think one's location also determines where to obtain train stuff. Out
here in N. California, there aren't very many hobby shops, fewer train
shows, so I have purchased some AF off ebay. Usually though, it goes for
more dollars than I am willing to spend. It may be heresy, but right now I
may have too many trains!! Well, until a really good deal comes by, then I
don't have enough. . . .
It's all relative--speaking of which, I've long since cleaned them out of
their childhood AF trains!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68158 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: U-33 update
Just got backhome from my clubs supper bowl party.One of the guys had 2 that he lashed together and had no problems with them. They ran for a good 30 minutes with no problems.If you have problems with the smoke output, one thing to look for :Air pocket. You may have to blow down on the smoke stak to get it to smoke right. Dirty track: Make sure your track is clean. He had real clean track and it stayed that way the whole time we ran trains. Hope those hints help.
Thanks,
Alan
Group: S-Trains Message: 68159 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Set Box Identification
I'm sure that any one of us who has the book would be happy to look them up for those who don't have it.  I sure would.

Note that it just gives box type - no other details.




________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Set Box Identification


 
Book is out of print.

Very difficult to find.

Mike

From: Robert Conner
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 5:51 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Set Box Identification

Look at the BOB TUFTS book..... Bob Conner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68160 From: Jimbo Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: train shopping
i have purchase three non expensive trains of ebay a 283, 300 ac and a 301 they all needed work and i expected it so wasnt dissapointed, and i got a good stockyard at a very resonable price, but i am a bit leary about buying a expensive train without being able to send it back, i have purchased one train at a antique store and paid way too much for it, but my fault did not know prices, and purchase one from a show and very happy with the price wasnt great but good, so on ebay i try for the deals, low prices on items and can wait and so far its turned out, but items are rare as good as they say they are, and i like the ones that have alot of pictures, my next engine would like to get a royal blue but one in bad paint so i can repaint it the color i want and dont feel bad about changing it, and a good royal blue too, but thats later down the road they have gotten expensive on ebay this mth i can wait, but all in all been happy with ebay and patient on my purchases except for a few items that didnt work out but they where not trains, but ebay is getting frustrating with overchargers agian, this happened few years ago and they got sued and lost, i could have joined the suit but didnt, really didnt lose alot didnt spend alot there, but also ringers are getting bad agian, i have complained to ebay about this, dont know if it will help, but hope they start policing up these peeps, there not hard to figure out they leave a trail, but it is getting worse hear more people complaing about it.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68161 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: Re: Set Box Identification
David,
I will try to scan the pages that you will need from Bob's book. If anyone else out there would like a copy, let me know. I have made some additions since the last printing.

Harwood



-----Original Message-----
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 5, 2012 4:53 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Set Box Identification




Hi All,

I am looking for a guide that lists which boxes were used for AF sets. Is there a list on-line or in one of the reference books?

David







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Group: S-Trains Message: 68162 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets
Hi All,

As many of you noted the reference I need is The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets, a book that is out of print and somewhat rare. Or maybe not so rare since I found it sitting on my bookcase - lol.

Between all the various model railroading, prototype railroading, car restoration, Model A repair, early model Mustang, engineering, chemistry, electronics, mechanics, management, finance, economics, business law, contracts, etc. etc. text books, manuals, magazines, etc. etc. I have never gotten around to building a spreadsheet to inventory all the reference materials. That's one more item to add to the bucket list - argh!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68163 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 2/5/2012
Subject: The eBay thing--PS
I forgot one other thing: all this talk about buying at train shows. More
than once I've gotten home and looked over my "loot" and discovered that the
lighting at the show must have been really bad as I missed; broken parts,
chips, missing steps, etc.
So, having it in hand is not always the best thing!
:)
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68164 From: rapidrail1 Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: 0n30 converting
I forgot to mention to the original poster of this thread, I have a video of my converted passenger train on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtv7-Wk5P34&list=UUvO1YD5xT8lLqFB1u3F9KfA&index=1&feature=plcp

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote:
>
>
> The log cars are small & could have beem made from HO cars, same with
> there ore cars. But Originally, skeleton log cars are small.
> The On30 passenger cars seem to be the same size as the AF #300
> locomotive, they look good running on my layout next to the AF cars. I
> have had some experience with E-bay and feel it is a big rip-off, &
> hobby shops are good but have a lot of overhead expenses. All of my
> cars On30 cars came from Garage sales and TCA shows. I haven't paid
> more that $20 a car, At several shows I have purchased 0n30 cars new in
> the box freight ( Beer ) cars for $20 each. I use K-Line trucks because
> K-Line " S " cars show up at shows for $15. because they put " 027 " cars
> on " S " trucks, I take the trucks off and install Lionel trucks on the
> cars and sell them at train shows for $15.. I get the " S " wheel for
> my time. & they make a nice looking " 027 " cars.
>
> Jerry
> ____________________________________________________________
> Groupon™ Official Site
> 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best!
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f2e928df381c16dddm06duc
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68165 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Where Do I Get My Trains
Well, my list is considerably different. Since I am constantly either running or selling at train shows, I get most of the stuff there by people wanting to sell. Most of the rest comes from people who call me wanting to sell their trains. I have not bought anything from eBay for more than 10 years because, 1) it took up too much of my time and 2) I was purchasing mostly parts, but the prices of parts on eBay got way out of line.
 
So, here is my breakdown:
 
Train Shows: 45%
Unsolicited Customers (shop or telephone): 25%
S-Trains group members: 5%
eBay: 0%
Local hobby shops (really are not any selling used trains): 0%
Had since childhood: 5%
Public Auction: 0%
Antique Mall/Flea Market: 0%
On-line purchases (new Flyonel): 10%
Other dealers (new Flyonel, SHS, AM): 10%

Joe

Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road.#########################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge.######################.American Flyer Parts Dealer
###################Authorized Lionel Service Center###################
............Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,300 part numbers............
American Models.###.DesPlaines Hobbies.###.S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@....#####XX######.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68166 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: eBay: Perhaps I'm wrong?
Perhaps I am wrong about eBay! You see, I'm not a collector, I come from the "model railroading" side of the hobby. Therefore, I take a different look at buying and selling old toy trains.
When I was last in S gauge in the late seventies and early eighties (this is my third time in S) Gilbert was long gone, and S gauge was being kept alive by guys who were kit bashing and scratch building. Most Flyer collectors were guys who were being priced out of Post War Lionel.
Upon my return in 2000, the world had turned "upside down!" Collecting had become the big thing. As I quickly found out, kit bashing was considered evil, and anyone who actually built something was considered odd.
I have no wall of shelves, no glass cases, and no money or desire to fill such. I'm just a guy who rebuilds wrecks to afford this needlessly expensive S gauge hobby. I'm just the guy who has put up with years of being bad mouthed for kit bashing junk into living trains again. I'm just a guy who spends time and skill instead of dollars. I'm just the guy who has just posted the third "guide" to building your own stuff (operating dump cars this time.) I'm just the guy all those Stumpy Voo-doo dolls were made to stick pins in.
Over the past decade, I have observed the unending gripes about prices and eBay by both collectors and vendors. Yet this past week or so they ahve turned around and defended those practises.
So you'll pardon me if I disagree with many of you when it comes to eBay. My way of enjoying the hobby of S gauge does not include it being a business or a dubious investment, so therefore eBay became of steadily declining value to me.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68167 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing--PS
Yup.

Mike

From: djdewey@...
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:05 AM
To: S-Trains Yahoo Group
Subject: [S-Trains] The eBay thing--PS



I forgot one other thing: all this talk about buying at train shows. More
than once I've gotten home and looked over my "loot" and discovered that the
lighting at the show must have been really bad as I missed; broken parts,
chips, missing steps, etc.
So, having it in hand is not always the best thing!
:)
S'
David D.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68168 From: Michael Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Rusty Tracks
I have my track set up in my garage. After being away from home for almost two years I come back and the track is rusted up really bad. I live in the south with high humidity. Question is after I take the time and clean all the track, emory cloth unless someone has a better idea, is there something I can apply that will stop, or slow down the rust.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68169 From: Carey Probst Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Build your own "action" cars
Stumpy,

Have you considered making these available in pdf format for ease of use
for those who do not spend their time on line?

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 2/5/2012 3:30 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
>
> The latest guide "Make Your Own "ActionCars" in S Gauge" is up on
> Chuck Harrington's myflyertrains.org website under "Stumpy's Station."
> In it I show how to build very simple log dumping and coal dumping
> cars that need no electrical connections or special tracks to operate.
> I also explain how to make more realistic logs.
> Due to a technical problem with Comcast, the format is a bit
> different, but the information and photos are all there. I'll be
> making changes for any future guides or long construction articles.
> Thanks again to Chuck for making this possible.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68170 From: Timboy Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Build your own "action" cars
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> The latest guide "Make Your Own "ActionCars" in S Gauge" is up on Chuck Harrington's myflyertrains.org website under "Stumpy's Station." In it I show how to build very simple log dumping and coal dumping cars that need no electrical connections or special tracks to operate. I also explain how to make more realistic logs.
> Due to a technical problem with Comcast, the format is a bit different, but the information and photos are all there. I'll be making changes for any future guides or long construction articles.
> Thanks again to Chuck for making this possible.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Flyer Nation;

Stumpy, you did it again! I think you have captured the true spirit of AC Gilbert's toys; toys that can be used to build and interact with other toys. In this case, parts-is-parts to build action cars. To the rest of us - take this concept AND the idea of building with Erector parts and we pay the ultimate tribute to Gilbert. Maybe in a couple years, I'll tear down my Flyer layout and rebuild a classic display Flyer layout, complete with Flyer kit-bashed stock and Erector structures. Something to really think about...

At any rate, kudos to Stumpy for the contribution!

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68171 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Where Do I Get My Trains
Hello Friends,

I was contemplating my acquisition of trains over the years to see how my experience compared to my fellow collectors on the list when I saw Joe's post. I am not a dealer, and other than some trades I made with another AF collector, I cannot remember ever selling an AF item out of my modest collection. So I was surprised to see how relatively closely my recollection of how I assembled my hobby collection of AF and a few other S Gauge trains matched up with Joe's experience as a dealer.

So, with some adjustments to Joe's categories, here is my breakdown:

Trading Halls, Club Meets and Train Shows: 30%
Unsolicited private party purchases: 10%
Gifts of "our old trains" from friends and relatives: 5%
A collection purchased from a sister-in-law's grandfather-in-law: 15%
S-Trains group members: 3%
eBay: Less than 1%
Local hobby shops (really are not any selling used trains): 0%
Had since childhood: 5%
Public Auction: 0%
TCA/TTOS Meet Auctions: 5%
Antique Mall/Flea Market: Less than 1%
On-line purchases (new AM, SHS, Convention Cars, etc): 15%
On-line from dealers (Flyonel, SHS, AM and vintage AF): 10%

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR





----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Haenn
To: S Trains
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:34 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Where Do I Get My Trains



Well, my list is considerably different. Since I am constantly either running or selling at train shows, I get most of the stuff there by people wanting to sell. Most of the rest comes from people who call me wanting to sell their trains. I have not bought anything from eBay for more than 10 years because, 1) it took up too much of my time and 2) I was purchasing mostly parts, but the prices of parts on eBay got way out of line.

So, here is my breakdown:

Train Shows: 45%
Unsolicited Customers (shop or telephone): 25%
S-Trains group members: 5%
eBay: 0%
Local hobby shops (really are not any selling used trains): 0%
Had since childhood: 5%
Public Auction: 0%
Antique Mall/Flea Market: 0%
On-line purchases (new Flyonel): 10%
Other dealers (new Flyonel, SHS, AM): 10%

Joe

Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road.#########################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge.######################.American Flyer Parts Dealer
###################Authorized Lionel Service Center###################
............Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,300 part numbers............
American Models.###.DesPlaines Hobbies.###.S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@....#####XX######.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68172 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Rusty Tracks
Don't use emory cloth: it will smooth the track, thereby reducing friction and your engines will lose pulling power.  Instead, use Never Dull by Eagle One - it's available at many auto parts places.  It's almost magic!  Removes rust like nothing I've ever seen before.



________________________________
From: Michael <mrself58@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 5:05 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Rusty Tracks


 
I have my track set up in my garage. After being away from home for almost two years I come back and the track is rusted up really bad. I live in the south with high humidity. Question is after I take the time and clean all the track, emory cloth unless someone has a better idea, is there something I can apply that will stop, or slow down the rust.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68173 From: Frank Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: eBay
Short comment, or two.
There is a 63 set with no tracks or transformer and broken parts on the car carrier. The set box is all stained and it is listed as C-10. Where do they get and how are they allowed to make such false statements ?
I laugh when is see new in the box and there is dust on the walkways on engines. How about new and has broken pilots and other missing pieces.
Funny but sad.

Sent from my iPhone
Group: S-Trains Message: 68174 From: zemouse2001 Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Rusty Tracks
Allan Osterud just did an excellent posting on this on Train Collectors Yahoo forum on January 2, 2012 - can not recommend it highly enough. I extracted his comments in a Word document for my own records and, I hope without offending Mr. Osterud or trampling on his rights for this document, I will post a pdf copy of my document in the files of this group(the title will be "Cleaning and Maintaining model train track.pdf").

Again this is Mr. Osterud's work and a truly worthy bit of knowledge.

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri
Group: S-Trains Message: 68175 From: rick gough Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: eBay
Mike,
You might explain to Linda that Ebay has pretty much accomplished monopoly status at what it does, that they are doing very well on the profit side, that they have steadily put more and more squeeze on their sellers in the form of hiked fees and tighter requirements for doing business. This isn't all bad, sellers are 'incouraged" to shape up as a result of negative feedback making for much higher fee rates. The problem that I seem to get is that their process of increasing fees to sellers can begin with very little negative feedback and fees, in the form of penalties, go up very quickly. My feeling is that a real greed factor has entered into their business formula and very little appreciation is being shown to all those little, mostly amature, sellers without whom Ebay would never have become profitable.

rick gough

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68176 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: eBay
Rick,
� Amen. Finally someone gets it. Kudos to you.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872
 


--- On Mon, 2/6/12, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote:


From: rick gough <racin510@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 4:36 PM



 



Mike,
You might explain to Linda that Ebay has pretty much accomplished monopoly status at what it does, that they are doing very well on the profit side, that they have steadily put more and more squeeze on their sellers in the form of hiked fees and tighter requirements for doing business. This isn't all bad, sellers are 'incouraged" to shape up as a result of negative feedback making for much higher fee rates. The problem that I seem to get is that their process of increasing fees to sellers can begin with very little negative feedback and fees, in the form of penalties, go up very quickly. My feeling is that a real greed factor has entered into their business formula and very little appreciation is being shown to all those little, mostly amature, sellers without whom Ebay would never have become profitable.

rick gough

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68177 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Tufts' Book Info Requests.
There are a number of you that have requested a copy of the information on set boxes in Bob Tufts' book. For the time being I will scan these pages onto a computer and either send in a pdf form or on a CD. I have written in some additions to the list and have more to add.. When I get this done I will let you know. There will be no cost to you

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68178 From: rick gough Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
My experience with Trainz.com: I purchased a powered #377 T&P GP7 to complete the 377/378 set from them thru Ebay. It was advertised as serviced by their professional shop. It barely ran. Upon tear down it had obviously not even been lubed so I did a complete 4 hour+ service including the needed armature turning, and it ran great. I called them, gave them my story, and they both were very cordial, apologized for their shop slip up, and quickly covered the $80. I valued my service at as an Ebay credit. Otherwise their description of the item was perfect and packing/shipping excellent. They seem to sell a lot of trains so if you do purchase from them be aware that their 'servicing' might be minimal but they are to me a good outfit.


rick gough SSS datsun 510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68179 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Set Box Identification
Joe,
You must have been reading my mind. Yes, we have talked with Bob's widow about this matter and it may come about with Clem Clement's help. Bob and I had done further work for the second edition up to the time he had passed away so I know there is a lot of new data to put in the second addition. This is a tricky matter and may take some time with Mrs Tufts. His collection is another matter and that make take precedence
over getting the data from the computer. I would hate to half to start over, with all the information that Bob had from his collection and mine and others. He had planned to go into packing materials, labeling, printing, more on sub manufacturers, and of course additions to the set box entries.

Harwood

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...>
To: HOwingsiii <HOwingsiii@...>
Sent: Mon, Feb 6, 2012 11:21 am
Subject: Re: Set Box Identification



Harwood,

Have you considered negotiating with Bob's widow to get the rights to publish an updated book? Do you know if they ever found the files/information on the book that Bob was writing at the time of his death?

Thanks,
Joe


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68180 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: eBay
Rick,

Okay, as being in sales for 20 years, food to restaurants, you get the best prices without competition. Once competition comes in, then it is a whole another story.

so in eBay's case, they have no competition.

So, then competition must come from somewhere, and that probably would get their fees back in line for what you sellers feel is fair.

I am not a seller, so I have no idea what is a fair fee to charge as they do have to cover their cost and they have allot I am sure.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:36 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay


Mike,
You might explain to Linda that Ebay has pretty much accomplished monopoly status at what it does, that they are doing very well on the profit side, that they have steadily put more and more squeeze on their sellers in the form of hiked fees and tighter requirements for doing business. This isn't all bad, sellers are 'incouraged" to shape up as a result of negative feedback making for much higher fee rates. The problem that I seem to get is that their process of increasing fees to sellers can begin with very little negative feedback and fees, in the form of penalties, go up very quickly. My feeling is that a real greed factor has entered into their business formula and very little appreciation is being shown to all those little, mostly amature, sellers without whom Ebay would never have become profitable.

rick gough

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68181 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Test Page from "The Almost Complete Guide, etc."
From the Moderator:
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Test Page from "The Almost Complete Guide, etc."




Open the attached page, this is from the guide.Then you need to enlarge to read or even save it, print it, etc. Let me know how it came out for you all?

Harwood





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68182 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
Rich, did you know that Paul Newman started his racing career in a Datsun 510 then went on to race for Bob Sharp in a 240Z. I was lucky to get to talk with him in the pits at "Summit Poin Raceway" back then when no one had caught on yet that he was doing so. The car was silver/gray and black and I think the number on the car was 55 but not sure?

Harwood



-----Original Message-----
From: rick gough <racin510@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:36 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: The eBay thing




My experience with Trainz.com: I purchased a powered #377 T&P GP7 to complete the 377/378 set from them thru Ebay. It was advertised as serviced by their professional shop. It barely ran. Upon tear down it had obviously not even been lubed so I did a complete 4 hour+ service including the needed armature turning, and it ran great. I called them, gave them my story, and they both were very cordial, apologized for their shop slip up, and quickly covered the $80. I valued my service at as an Ebay credit. Otherwise their description of the item was perfect and packing/shipping excellent. They seem to sell a lot of trains so if you do purchase from them be aware that their 'servicing' might be minimal but they are to me a good outfit.

rick gough SSS datsun 510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68183 From: Dave Winslow Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: eBay
On 2/6/2012 4:36 PM, rick gough wrote:
> Mike,
> You might explain to Linda that Ebay has pretty much
> accomplished monopoly status at what it does,...

Which means, we millions of customers continue to vote with
our dollars.

> that they are doing very well on the profit side,

Great, I wouldn't want to see so loved an organization get
marginal.

> that they have steadily put more and more squeeze on
> their sellers in the form of hiked fees and tighter
> requirements for doing business.

Protecting the buyer is vital to that business, and
ultimately the sellers themselves.

> This isn't all bad, sellers are 'incouraged" to shape up as a
> result of negative feedback making for much higher fee
> rates. The problem that I seem to get is that their process
> of increasing fees to sellers can begin with very little
> negative feedback and fees, in the form of penalties, go up
> very quickly.

As they should. I want the feedback numbers, am leery of any
outfit that drops down below 99 or 98%. I'm glad management
encourages them to make me happy as a buyer.

> My feeling is that a real greed factor has
> entered into their business formula and very little
> appreciation is being shown to all those little, mostly
> amature, sellers without whom Ebay would never have become
> profitable.

The word "greed" is a red flag for me. I interpret it as a
claim made by the envious, or the entitled, about another
those that are not "serving" them.

In the market, everyone wants to get more and give less,
both buyers and sellers, and both big guys and the
individual. And it is fine with me, as long as it is honest,
prices (including fees) can, should, and do follow supply
and demand. Dave W.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68184 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Tufts' pages??
From the Moderator.
File attachment stripping is a Yahoo thing.
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Well, I was going to send the pages out in one file attached, but our moderator won't allow it I guess. I would be so much easier to do it that way.

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68185 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Test Page from "The Almost Complete Guide, etc."
The other yahoo groups I belong to dont strip attachments?



-----Original Message-----
From: HOwingsiii <HOwingsiii@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:07 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Test Page from "The Almost Complete Guide, etc."




From the Moderator:
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Test Page from "The Almost Complete Guide, etc."

Open the attached page, this is from the guide.Then you need to enlarge to read or even save it, print it, etc. Let me know how it came out for you all?

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68186 From: George Cohn Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: The eBay thing
On 2/6/2012 4:15 PM, HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
> Rich, did you know that Paul Newman started his racing career in a
> Datsun 510 then went on to race for Bob Sharp in a 240Z.

I knew there was something I liked about him! I have two '73 240Z's,
one of which I bought new and a '74 260Z that I bought about 20 years ago.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 68187 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Test Page from "The Almost Complete Guide, etc."
From the Moderator:
This the way Paul set it up.
It is safer that way though.
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Why, these are not pictures?



-----Original Message-----
From: HOwingsiii <HOwingsiii@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:07 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Test Page from "The Almost Complete Guide, etc."




From the Moderator:
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Test Page from "The Almost Complete Guide, etc."

Open the attached page, this is from the guide.Then you need to enlarge to read or even save it, print it, etc. Let me know how it came out for you all?

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68188 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Test Page from
First I've heard of that! ALL Yahoo groups strip attachments. Well the moderators
don't - Yahoo system does automatically to help prevent virusses. Alistair
On Tue 07/02/12 9:49 AM , HOwingsiii@... sent:
> The other yahoo groups I belong to dont strip attachments?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68189 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: eBay
Hear hear! Alistair
On Tue 07/02/12 10:11 AM , Dave Winslow davidwin@... sent:
>
>
> On 2/6/2012 4:36 PM, rick gough wrote:
> > Mike,
> > You might explain to Linda that Ebay has pretty
> much> accomplished monopoly status at what it
> does,...
> Which means, we millions of customers continue to vote with
> our dollars.
>
> > that they are doing very well on the profit
> side,
> Great, I wouldn't want to see so loved an organization get
> marginal.
>
> > that they have steadily put more and more
> squeeze on> their sellers in the form of hiked fees and
> tighter> requirements for doing business.
>
> Protecting the buyer is vital to that business, and
> ultimately the sellers themselves.
>
> > This isn't all bad, sellers are
> 'incouraged" to shape up as a> result of negative feedback making for much
> higher fee> rates. The problem that I seem to get is that
> their process> of increasing fees to sellers can begin with
> very little> negative feedback and fees, in the form of
> penalties, go up> very quickly.
>
> As they should. I want the feedback numbers, am leery of any
> outfit that drops down below 99 or 98%. I'm glad management
> encourages them to make me happy as a buyer.
>
> > My feeling is that a real greed factor
> has> entered into their business formula and very
> little> appreciation is being shown to all those little,
> mostly> amature, sellers without whom Ebay would never
> have become> profitable.
>
> The word "greed" is a red flag for me. I interpret it as a
> claim made by the envious, or the entitled, about another
> those that are not "serving" them.
>
> In the market, everyone wants to get more and give less,
> both buyers and sellers, and both big guys and the
> individual. And it is fine with me, as long as it is honest,
> prices (including fees) can, should, and do follow supply
> and demand. Dave W.
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68190 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Reference Material
Ok, I am new to this game and thought the Doyle book “Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains” was pretty good, I also have O’Brien’s “Collecting Toy Trains”, but am not nearly as keen on it. So, I was unaware “the Doyle book is way off” as Michael commented in another thread (below). I trust the Doyle book is accurate for dates, part numbers, scarcity , etc. ?? I understand that as time passes, the values shown would be of lessening value.



I certainly trust the wisdom of this group.. So, short of watching eBay sales prices ALL the time (I watch plenty enough already J ), what is the current best thinking regarding how to determine values for these great old trains.



BTW, I am trying to collect in order to operate – if that makes sense…



Ben





From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 1:05 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Where do you get your locomotives?


Seeing Ben, list Flea market, I did get a really nice 343 engine at Trader’s World near Cincinnati probably the largest flea market in the country with indoor places.

The price was right, 325 in 1992 in great shape and runs well. I still have the credit card receipt for it. I think they where called K and Y Trains. I do not see them listed anymore on Google, as places come and go.

I did get some great things from a Antique Shoppe which is usually not the place to buy trains, a set of E+ 494/495 NH diesels at 10% less than the Doyle book, as we know the Doyle book is way off. Plus the next year, I got a set with a 336 Big Boy from the same shoppe at 10% off Doyle.

Usually Antique shoppes are way overpriced hoping to have a impulse sale from someone not into trains, but had this as a kid and that is fine, for the shop owner.

I also got a box set, the 1958 NP set from a old fashion hardware store, across the river in NJ from New Hope, PA. The set was just sitting on the counter, as he was selling it for someone. I got the set for 1,000. The Hardware store is no more, but a guitar shoppe in the name of the hardware store, J.B. Klein’s.

Mike

Mike
From: americanflyer1953
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:16 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Where do you get your locomotives?

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Ben E. Colley" <bencolley@...> wrote:
>
> I added some categories to reflect my small collection and watch areas:
>
>
>
>
> Train Shows:
>
> 0%
>
>
> S-Trains group members:
>
> 0%
>
>
> Local friends:
>
> 0%
>
>
> eBay:
>
> 9%
>
>
> Local hobby shops:
>
> 0%
>
>
>
> Had since childhood:
>
> 9%
>
>
> Public Auction:
>
> 82%
>
>
> Antique Mall/Flea Market:
>
> 0%
>
>
> Garage Sale:
>
> 0%
>
>
>
>
>
> Ben
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68191 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Need some S GAUGE HELP
EBay would be one good source.

But I will forward this to the S list and see if anyone has any for sale.

Mike

From: clem clement
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:26 PM
To: Mike Marmer
Cc: Christie and Gordon Wilson
Subject: Fw: Need some S GAUGE HELP

Mike,
Can you help Gordon?

Clem

From: Christie1wilson@...
Greetings All,
I received a phone call from a College friend this evening who is restoring an Original American Flyer Factory Layout. Apparently he has everything he needs EXCEPT the GREY pieces of STRAIGHT ROAD BED and he can't seem to find any original pieces. He needs 48 pieces.
Are there any of you on this list who might be able to lend a hand? Perhaps you might have some or know of some persons who have some for sale? Would you be so kind as to give me a return call/email if you do and I'll send you his phone number and email address. I have no idea of what he wishes to pay per section, so if you do have a lead on some or have some yourself, I'd be happy to let you deal directly with him. He lives in Pennsylvania, relatively close to YORK. He's a really good guy and has quite a collection of rare and unusual American Flyer S gauge things. He was also a pretty decent TENOR in his day! If you have none of the Roadbed or know of nobody who does, thanks for reading this. Happy training.
Many thanks,
Gordon

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68192 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: Reference Material
Hi Ben,

Welcome.

Collecting things can be for many different reasons and nothing wrong collecting things to operate.

I am sorry that I caught you off guard on my comment about the AF S book from David Doyle. His prices are very low in comparison to the Greenberg or TM price guide books.

The Doyle book works great if you are buying things from someone who uses that book, as that happened to me in Maine for many pieces.

Okay, maybe I am wrong about the Doyle book, but I think must of us use the Greenberg and/or TM book.

Prices in a guide book are just that, a guide nothing written in stone, in my opinion.

it is all about supply and demand. I have gotten things on eBay for way less than the guide books and I have gone over a bit, not a lot, for a piece that I fell is desirable for my collection, as I collect not for operating. Sometimes it is hard to find a piece in the condition I need for my collection, so that could set the price over, due to how many are bidding on it.

Mike

From: Ben E. Colley
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:32 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Reference Material


Ok, I am new to this game and thought the Doyle book “Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains” was pretty good, I also have O’Brien’s “Collecting Toy Trains”, but am not nearly as keen on it. So, I was unaware “the Doyle book is way off” as Michael commented in another thread (below). I trust the Doyle book is accurate for dates, part numbers, scarcity , etc. ?? I understand that as time passes, the values shown would be of lessening value.

I certainly trust the wisdom of this group.. So, short of watching eBay sales prices ALL the time (I watch plenty enough already J ), what is the current best thinking regarding how to determine values for these great old trains.

BTW, I am trying to collect in order to operate – if that makes sense…

Ben

From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 1:05 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Where do you get your locomotives?

Seeing Ben, list Flea market, I did get a really nice 343 engine at Trader’s World near Cincinnati probably the largest flea market in the country with indoor places.

The price was right, 325 in 1992 in great shape and runs well. I still have the credit card receipt for it. I think they where called K and Y Trains. I do not see them listed anymore on Google, as places come and go.

I did get some great things from a Antique Shoppe which is usually not the place to buy trains, a set of E+ 494/495 NH diesels at 10% less than the Doyle book, as we know the Doyle book is way off. Plus the next year, I got a set with a 336 Big Boy from the same shoppe at 10% off Doyle.

Usually Antique shoppes are way overpriced hoping to have a impulse sale from someone not into trains, but had this as a kid and that is fine, for the shop owner.

I also got a box set, the 1958 NP set from a old fashion hardware store, across the river in NJ from New Hope, PA. The set was just sitting on the counter, as he was selling it for someone. I got the set for 1,000. The Hardware store is no more, but a guitar shoppe in the name of the hardware store, J.B. Klein’s.

Mike

Mike
From: americanflyer1953
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:16 AM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Where do you get your locomotives?

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Ben E. Colley" <bencolley@...> wrote:
>
> I added some categories to reflect my small collection and watch areas:
>
>
>
>
> Train Shows:
>
> 0%
>
>
> S-Trains group members:
>
> 0%
>
>
> Local friends:
>
> 0%
>
>
> eBay:
>
> 9%
>
>
> Local hobby shops:
>
> 0%
>
>
>
> Had since childhood:
>
> 9%
>
>
> Public Auction:
>
> 82%
>
>
> Antique Mall/Flea Market:
>
> 0%
>
>
> Garage Sale:
>
> 0%
>
>
>
>
>
> Ben
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68193 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: eBay
Buying and selling lesson:

No two restaurants pay the same price for the same exact product, as they
can be next door to each other..

Buying and selling is a way of life.

If does not work for a buyer or seller, don't use eBay, if it works for you
as a seller or buyer, use it.

Buy EBay stock instead of trains. Just kidding about the stock.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Winslow
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:41 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay



On 2/6/2012 4:36 PM, rick gough wrote:
> Mike,
> You might explain to Linda that Ebay has pretty much
> accomplished monopoly status at what it does,...

Which means, we millions of customers continue to vote with
our dollars.

> that they are doing very well on the profit side,

Great, I wouldn't want to see so loved an organization get
marginal.

> that they have steadily put more and more squeeze on
> their sellers in the form of hiked fees and tighter
> requirements for doing business.

Protecting the buyer is vital to that business, and
ultimately the sellers themselves.

> This isn't all bad, sellers are 'incouraged" to shape up as a
> result of negative feedback making for much higher fee
> rates. The problem that I seem to get is that their process
> of increasing fees to sellers can begin with very little
> negative feedback and fees, in the form of penalties, go up
> very quickly.

As they should. I want the feedback numbers, am leery of any
outfit that drops down below 99 or 98%. I'm glad management
encourages them to make me happy as a buyer.

> My feeling is that a real greed factor has
> entered into their business formula and very little
> appreciation is being shown to all those little, mostly
> amature, sellers without whom Ebay would never have become
> profitable.

The word "greed" is a red flag for me. I interpret it as a
claim made by the envious, or the entitled, about another
those that are not "serving" them.

In the market, everyone wants to get more and give less,
both buyers and sellers, and both big guys and the
individual. And it is fine with me, as long as it is honest,
prices (including fees) can, should, and do follow supply
and demand. Dave W.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68194 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: Test Page from
The yahoo group I belong to sends attachments all the time and we have no problem in doing so. I would not say that the system automatically does that.

Harwood



-----Original Message-----
From: alizoo <alizoo@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Test Page from





First I've heard of that! ALL Yahoo groups strip attachments. Well the moderators
don't - Yahoo system does automatically to help prevent virusses. Alistair
On Tue 07/02/12 9:49 AM , HOwingsiii@... sent:
> The other yahoo groups I belong to dont strip attachments?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68195 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: eBay
Mike, I have explained that I don't really think much of the prices being driven so high because it makes it hard on the rest of us. I have found a way around all that by spending time and skill instead of "too much money." But others are no so fortunate.
I do, however, take exception to your saying business is better without competition. I was taught in school that; "Competition is the cornerstone of the Capitalist system." Also that "Competition is good for business because it causes better products to be developed at better prices." (These quotes from my World History textbook produced in 1963 by Random House.)
Of course, this textbook was written during the Cold War, so maybe things have changed since then. Or were we Baby Boomers just being taught a load of crap?
It appears that you and I are exactly opposites when it comes to eBay and collecting in general. You have money to buy what you want and do so. I am just the opposite.
Let us agree to disagree and let it go at that. Otherwise this pointless eBay thing will drag on for another week, and still, nobody's mind will be changed.
Stumpy in Ahia
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From the Moderator:
I agree, lets drop this E-bay thread and move on..
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68196 From: Joseph H Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: Where Do I Get My Trains
And I bet that Alan is an operator (like me) and not a collector. Collectors don't want trains that other people have played with. I cannot afford shelf trains. I truly believe that AC Gilbert (and even Joshua Lionel Cohen) roll over in their grave at the number of their trains sitting on shelves, but rejoice each time they see their trains in operation.

Joe

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan and Sherry Bennett" <alansherry@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Friends,
>
> I was contemplating my acquisition of trains over the years to see how my experience compared to my fellow collectors on the list when I saw Joe's post. I am not a dealer, and other than some trades I made with another AF collector, I cannot remember ever selling an AF item out of my modest collection. So I was surprised to see how relatively closely my recollection of how I assembled my hobby collection of AF and a few other S Gauge trains matched up with Joe's experience as a dealer.
>
> So, with some adjustments to Joe's categories, here is my breakdown:
>
> Trading Halls, Club Meets and Train Shows: 30%
> Unsolicited private party purchases: 10%
> Gifts of "our old trains" from friends and relatives: 5%
> A collection purchased from a sister-in-law's grandfather-in-law: 15%
> S-Trains group members: 3%
> eBay: Less than 1%
> Local hobby shops (really are not any selling used trains): 0%
> Had since childhood: 5%
> Public Auction: 0%
> TCA/TTOS Meet Auctions: 5%
> Antique Mall/Flea Market: Less than 1%
> On-line purchases (new AM, SHS, Convention Cars, etc): 15%
> On-line from dealers (Flyonel, SHS, AM and vintage AF): 10%
>
> Cheers!
>
> Alan Bennett
> Keizer, OR
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68197 From: Dave Winslow Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: Reference Material
On 2/6/2012 8:32 PM, Ben E. Colley wrote:

SNIP

> I certainly trust the wisdom of this group.. So, short of
> watching eBay sales prices ALL the time (I watch plenty
> enough already J ), what is the current best thinking
> regarding how to determine values for these great old trains.

When looking to buy anything like trains, I use Ebay to
search for sold or "completed" items. I can then look over
what others have paid in this time period, not a year or
three ago. I can also get a feel for the range of prices,
which is often very wide, including what seems like great
deals for buyers, and other times sellers.

In buying an item on Ebay, I usually watch several of the
same type, miss a few by bidding too low, often getting
lucky after a time, or growing in willingness to pay more
and bid more reasonably. I never get the feeling I have paid
too much this way.

Trains forever! Dave W.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68198 From: Dave Winslow Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: Where Do I Get My Trains
On 2/6/2012 10:30 PM, Joseph H wrote:
> And I bet that Alan is an operator (like me)
> and not a collector. Collectors don't want trains
> that other people have played with. I cannot afford
> shelf trains. I truly believe that AC Gilbert (and
> even Joshua Lionel Cohen) roll over in their grave
> at the number of their trains sitting on shelves,
> but rejoice each time they see their trains in
> operation.
>
> Joe

Hi Joe,

I'm always very impressed when shown an old item, that is
new in the box. I am careful in even touching it, so I get
it I think. But building a vast collection of any kind,
seems a bit anal to me, and after all, they were built to
play with.

I feel the same about cars. I bought my first new car when I
was 44 years old. It was a great feeling, but within a week
or so, it began to feel like a burden. When it was 5 years
old it struck me, now it is a free car, I can park anywhere,
leave the keys, almost more fun than when it was new.

The contrast car-wise is even greater among car restorers,
hot rodders, etc. Few things are more impressive, and IMO,
more ridiculous, than trailering a show car around. If you
don't drive it to the show, you are missing the point. Call
me narrow minded! Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 68199 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Fwd: [nasgmembers] The New NASG Website
As requested by the new NASG webmaster, here is his into to the revamped
NASG web site.

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [nasgmembers] The New NASG Website
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 07:52:22 -0600
From: Peter Vanvliet <pavanvliet@...>
Reply-To: nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com
To: pavanvliet@...



Good Morning All,

(I apologize ahead of time to those of you who are getting multiple
copies of this e-mail)

I am happy to announce the release of the new N.A.S.G. web site!

http://www.nasg.org/

In December I took over the responsibilities of maintaining the NASG web
site from Jim Breshahan. First order of business was a complete
re-design of the web site. If you have visited the site before, you will
not recognize it at all. The core content of the old site is still
there, but it has been re-organized to hopefully be easier to find. In
addition, new content has been added as well.

There were two primary objectives for the new site design:
1) provide useful, current, and up-to-date information to our S community.
2) provide a "this-is-S-today" view for those modeling in scales other
than S.

It is my commitment to keep the site active and current. As soon as I
become aware of a new product, potential product, or any other
information or correction, I will update the site as soon as possible.
For those of you familiar with my personal web site's list of S-scale
links and recently announced "S" projects, you will find those on the
NASG web site now (see the "Manufacturers" and "News" pages, respectively).

The site is fully functional. However, the "Online Membership Database"
section is still a work in progress. It should be functional, but it may
not look "pretty". I should have that completely revised in the next
week or so. I did not want to hold up the release of the rest of the
site just because of that one feature. The ability to apply for NASG
membership and request Membership Database access features should be
functional and complete. If you need to make changes to your membership
information and the site is not functional, please contact Claude Demers
directly for the time being.

There are several other things on my "to-do list". The old site's
"historical products database" is no longer a database, but a nice photo
gallery (see bottom half of the "Manufacturers" page). We're thinking
about making that section a dedicated page in and of itself. Bill W.,
Jim K., and myself are still reviewing the entries to remove duplicates,
provide supplemental information, and add new entries. The old site's
database contained mostly brass items. My vision is to expand this to
show other items as well. A good example is Jim King's (Smoky Mountain
Model Works) excellent products. However, I also would like to add more
S Helper Service, American Models, and Des Plaines Hobbies products. In
addition, there are more brass items that are not shown on the site yet.
I am also thinking about expanding that part of the site to include
"structures".

Here's where I would like to ask for your help. If you have a photo (or
even a better, higher-resolution photo of an existing item) of an item
that is not listed on the site, I would like to ask you to consider
e-mailing it to me at "peter@...", so that I can add the item
to the site.

I am also asking for photos of the following topics to be shown in the
web site's home page (the photos are in random order, b.t.w.)
- scale/Sn3/Sn2/Sn42/hi-rail photos of rolling stock (preferable
current items).
- American Flyer photos of rolling stock (preferably items currently
in production, e.g. Lionel challenger).
- built structures.
- dioramas.
- your personal layout.
- photos of your club's layout.
- photos of people at NASG conventions or other "S" gatherings.

(if you have an S-related web site, the home page photos can be clicked
to launch your web site)

Both the "Scale Modeling" and "American Flyer" pages feature photos of
layouts. If you have photos of your layout, please consider e-mailing
them to me to be published on either of those pages. If you have a web
site, I will make a link to your site. Proper credit will be shown with
photos.

If you have any comments about, or problems with, the site, please
contact me.

If any of you reading this and you are also a member of the S-Trains
Yahoo group, could you do me a big favor and forward this e-mail to that
group? Spread the word about the new site! Even to non-S modelers!

I would like to thank Bill Winans and Jim Kindraka for their feedback
and tremendous support. This effort would not have been possible without
them. Additionally, I want to thank Gerry Evans, Brooks Stover, and Mike
Marmer for the fantastic photos they provided to get us started. Also a
"thank you" goes out to the rest of the NASG B.O.T. and committee
chairmen for their feedback during this redesign effort. I really
appreciated it all.

I hope you all enjoy the new site! I have enjoyed working on it for the
past month and a half, and I am happy to continue to actively maintain it.
- Peter.

--
Peter Vanvliet (pavanvliet@..., or peter@...)
Houston, Texas

"It is easy to give up; anyone can do that..."

http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed<http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68200 From: Jimbo Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: repair
have a question i purchased a 322 this weekend and it has a bent step on the trailing tender should i try to heat it then reshape it? are should leave it alone?
also how do you put wheels back on the engine after removing for repair what is best and cheepest are just best tks vm James
Group: S-Trains Message: 68201 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Bashes and Layouts
For some really great bashes by Joe Deger, go to: http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/TD/TD_JD.html. While there you might want to check out some member layouts, especially the hoe layouts of Paul Sharp.
 
Joe

Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road.#########################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge.######################.American Flyer Parts Dealer
###################Authorized Lionel Service Center###################
............Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,300 part numbers............
American Models.###.DesPlaines Hobbies.###.S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@....#####XX######.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68202 From: mike jones Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: repair
James,
 
The best way to put wheels back on a locomotive is to use a work bench vice and a cloth rage, so that you will not scratch the wheels, and slowly push the wheel back on the axle. To fix the bent steep i would not recommend heating up the tender. It might bubble up the paint. Hope this helps
Mike
--- On Tue, 2/7/12, Jimbo <jad01@...> wrote:


From: Jimbo <jad01@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] repair
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 9:51 AM



 



have a question i purchased a 322 this weekend and it has a bent step on the trailing tender should i try to heat it then reshape it? are should leave it alone?
also how do you put wheels back on the engine after removing for repair what is best and cheepest are just best tks vm James








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Group: S-Trains Message: 68203 From: David Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: GOODYEAR Box Car Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
We have added a new SET+ of decals to our web site for the "GOODYEAR
TIRE COMPANY" and the car (40') is branded for the AC&Y railroad (AKRON,
CANTON & YOUNGSTOWN). This new set may be viewed/ purchased at:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html>

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68204 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: repair
James,
     Not quite as easy as Mike has said. The wheels (Main Drivers) have to be quartered using a quartering tool. You can buy this tool (around $80.00) or have a professional such as our company do it for you. We charge $10.00 plus $5.00 return shipping. SEND ONLY THE chassis and wheels if you want us to do it.
     Good luck with this project.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872
dave@...
 


--- On Tue, 2/7/12, mike jones <civicman_97@...> wrote:


From: mike jones <civicman_97@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] repair
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 11:59 AM



 



James,
 
The best way to put wheels back on a locomotive is to use a work bench vice and a cloth rage, so that you will not scratch the wheels, and slowly push the wheel back on the axle. To fix the bent steep i would not recommend heating up the tender. It might bubble up the paint. Hope this helps
Mike
--- On Tue, 2/7/12, Jimbo <jad01@...> wrote:

From: Jimbo <jad01@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] repair
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 9:51 AM

 

have a question i purchased a 322 this weekend and it has a bent step on the trailing tender should i try to heat it then reshape it? are should leave it alone?
also how do you put wheels back on the engine after removing for repair what is best and cheepest are just best tks vm James

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68205 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: Where Do I Get My Trains
Hello Joe, Dave and friends,

Joe is very perceptive. I operate everything I acquire including new purchases that are "mint in the box". As some of you may recall, my main operating focus is running our S gauge Capitol Holidays Layout at train shows and the State Capitol in Salem, OR. I have tried to keep my acquisition costs low enough so as not regret running them all. "Operator Quality" is good enough for me.

The same goes for my '57 and '70 T-Birds. I prefer outdoor cruise-ins to pristine indoor shows. Neither has been restored, only maintained to "Operator Quality".

That said, I also can appreciate seeing a collection of vintage automobiles and trains displayed in excellent condition. Show me any toy train or old car, and I am sure I will enjoy seeing it.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR


----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Winslow
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Where Do I Get My Trains





On 2/6/2012 10:30 PM, Joseph H wrote:
> And I bet that Alan is an operator (like me)
> and not a collector. Collectors don't want trains
> that other people have played with. I cannot afford
> shelf trains. I truly believe that AC Gilbert (and
> even Joshua Lionel Cohen) roll over in their grave
> at the number of their trains sitting on shelves,
> but rejoice each time they see their trains in
> operation.
>
> Joe

Hi Joe,

I'm always very impressed when shown an old item, that is
new in the box. I am careful in even touching it, so I get
it I think. But building a vast collection of any kind,
seems a bit anal to me, and after all, they were built to
play with.

I feel the same about cars. I bought my first new car when I
was 44 years old. It was a great feeling, but within a week
or so, it began to feel like a burden. When it was 5 years
old it struck me, now it is a free car, I can park anywhere,
leave the keys, almost more fun than when it was new.

The contrast car-wise is even greater among car restorers,
hot rodders, etc. Few things are more impressive, and IMO,
more ridiculous, than trailering a show car around. If you
don't drive it to the show, you are missing the point. Call
me narrow minded! Dave




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68206 From: Jimbo Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: 322 wireing
the 322 i just purchased the wireing from the coal car to the engine is shot, the old cloth insulator is falling apart exposing the wireing, does anyone know if there is a look alike replacemnt for these? and if so where do you purchase it.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68207 From: Louis Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: 322 wireing
Tom Jarcho suggested on this list several years ago, using shoe string for the cloth covering. When you cut the ends off the shoe string it is hollow on the inside. Maybe someone on the list might know the post#.

I personally miss Tom, he was a great guy, and he had a wealth of knowledge on repairing American Flyer trains and accessories.

Lou Baldi

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jimbo" <jad01@...> wrote:
>
> the 322 i just purchased the wireing from the coal car to the engine is shot, the old cloth insulator is falling apart exposing the wireing, does anyone know if there is a look alike replacemnt for these? and if so where do you purchase it.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68208 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: 322 wireing
Jimbo:

You can get a new Wire harness from Portlines.com . Go to the "AF Parts", then "Steamers General", and you will find the 6" wire harness both in cloth-covered wire like the original, or plastic covered wire. I have used the plastic covered wire ones with great success. REPLACE ONE WIRE AT A TIME, and save yourself grief.

Why were you removing wheels? You only need to "back them off" (not completely remove them) to epoxy the rims back onto the insulators. Make sure you clean both sides before you glue, and make sure that they are STRAIGHT. Quartering is tricky business, and I recommend having them quartered unless you have the tool. Ten bucks is CHEAP considering the grief you'll experience when the quartering isn't right!

Steve

Please note: message attached

From: "Jimbo" <jad01@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] 322 wireing
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:35:53 -0000


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68209 From: Tom Detmer Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: 322 wireing
Try Doug Peck at Portlines for this.

On 2/7/2012 5:35 PM, Jimbo wrote:
>
> the 322 i just purchased the wireing from the coal car to the engine
> is shot, the old cloth insulator is falling apart exposing the
> wireing, does anyone know if there is a look alike replacemnt for
> these? and if so where do you purchase it.
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68210 From: rick gough Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: 322 wireing
Yes, Portlines for the new harness and if you are a decent tech you might consider getting a 5-wire diagram, which the later improved loco's offered. The only change is adding a 5th wire, however the harness will hook up different from what you've got. Advantage is that the head light will stay on when in neutral.


rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68211 From: Jimbo Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: tks
i know i ask simple questions and i know about portlines, and have nothing aginst them, its just i feel that asking and getting different answears is better knowledge for me, somone may have a different ideal are suggestion, also had a migrane today made it hard to concentrate so i ask alot before i decide on what to do, sometimes i do look at other sites first, and i did check out after i posted, before desert storm i never asked alot of questions just did what i was told, and it got me dissabled, so now i ask alot tks
Group: S-Trains Message: 68212 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: Test Page from
You are correct, Harwood. I also belong to another Yahoo group and I get attachments from individuals in that group through the Yahoo group website constantly. So, this proves that it is up to each group owner as to whether or not they allow attachments.

Bruce



From: HOwingsiii@...
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:47 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Test Page from




The yahoo group I belong to sends attachments all the time and we have no problem in doing so. I would not say that the system automatically does that.

Harwood

-----Original Message-----
From: alizoo <alizoo@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Test Page from

First I've heard of that! ALL Yahoo groups strip attachments. Well the moderators
don't - Yahoo system does automatically to help prevent virusses. Alistair
On Tue 07/02/12 9:49 AM , HOwingsiii@... sent:
> The other yahoo groups I belong to dont strip attachments?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68213 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: Test Page from
Well, everyone can join my Zippy the Pinhead group and Harwood can send emails to that group or my Folksingers group as I allow attachments on emails.

Just kidding, Zippy followers, Folk Singers and train people might not be a good mix.

Mike

From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:31 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Test Page from



You are correct, Harwood. I also belong to another Yahoo group and I get attachments from individuals in that group through the Yahoo group website constantly. So, this proves that it is up to each group owner as to whether or not they allow attachments.

Bruce





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68214 From: John M Date: 2/8/2012
Subject: Repair Clinics
A recent posting from Doug Peck asked for suggestions for new clinics. I'm darn sure there are more folks than just Doug who could write up a clinic or two. Perhaps they could be sent to Doug or Tim or someone else to list them on their website. I started on this ramble because I'm looking for a clinic on replacing a control knob on a 30B transformer. So, any referrals for transformer repair? And how about some discussion of a repair repository?
Mac
Group: S-Trains Message: 68215 From: David Date: 2/8/2012
Subject: SOHIO Tank Car Decal Set (Advertisement)
We have added yet another NEW SET of decals to our more than 900+
inventory of "S" decals. This one was requested by one of our clients
(STEVEN) that has fond memories of the "SOHIO" tank cars passing on the
rails near his home when he was a lad. These are printed in WHITE with
FULL COLOR SOHIO LOGOS (red,white,blue oval) from the 1940's era.

To view / purchase please go to:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html>

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT REQUESTS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68216 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/8/2012
Subject: Re: Repair Clinics
How about Chuck Harrington's " myflyertrains.org " ????
Chuck has done a wonderful job with his site... Maybr we could send him a couple bucks to help the site!!!
Bob Conner

--- On Wed, 2/8/12, John M <macflyer@...> wrote:


From: John M <macflyer@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Repair Clinics
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 7:56 AM



 



A recent posting from Doug Peck asked for suggestions for new clinics. I'm darn sure there are more folks than just Doug who could write up a clinic or two. Perhaps they could be sent to Doug or Tim or someone else to list them on their website. I started on this ramble because I'm looking for a clinic on replacing a control knob on a 30B transformer. So, any referrals for transformer repair? And how about some discussion of a repair repository?
Mac








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Group: S-Trains Message: 68217 From: willisbd Date: 2/8/2012
Subject: Link Coupler Compatability
Will the pre-war die-cast link couplers, and pins, fit on the post-war stamped metal trucks?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68218 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/8/2012
Subject: Re: BILL PARR
Anyone have Bill Parr's E-Mail & Phone #....Thank You, Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68219 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2012
Subject: April 1990 CTT
On eBay someone had a April of 1990 issue of CTT for sale, as the headliner for the magazine was featuring the 20 top American Flyer sets, so I figure, why not get it, since I did not get back into trains until 1992, as I started to get CTT in 1992 too. So I never read this issue. I am sure many sets are from 1958, as I my first set was the 20740, the set with the 21129 Hudson, PA Flat car and Monon Flat car.

So I told Linda of my big 5 dollar purchase on ebay and why I got this magazine from 1990.

Now the kicker: Linda goes, “Why would they have anything on American Flyer in that magazine. Isn’t that the reason why you stopped getting it since they usually have nothing in it on AF?”

End of story. See, she knows about CTT and how little they have on AF. LOL

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68220 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/8/2012
Subject: Re: Link Coupler Compatability
Yes, if you use the thin shank link coupler pins.
Tom Seccia



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From: willisbd <willisbd@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 9:26 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Link Coupler Compatability


 
Will the pre-war die-cast link couplers, and pins, fit on the post-war stamped metal trucks?




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68221 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/8/2012
Subject: Re: BILL PARR
Hi Mike,
� Bill Parr's email bparrtrains@... phonr 215-757-1034
Tom Seccia



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From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...>
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 8:58 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: BILL PARR


 
Anyone have Bill Parr's E-Mail & Phone #....Thank You, Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68222 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: BILL PARR
Thank You for your help, Mike


In a message dated 2/8/2012 7:46:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
trainsandhobbies@... writes:




Hi Mike,
Bill Parr's email _bparrtrains@..._
(mailto:bparrtrains@...) phonr 215-757-1034
Tom Seccia

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From: "_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) " <_anormal1@..._
(mailto:anormal1@...) >
To: _s-trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:s-trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 8:58 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: BILL PARR



Anyone have Bill Parr's E-Mail & Phone #....Thank You, Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68223 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: Link Coupler Compatability
And they were a far better coupler! Alistair

On Thu 09/02/12 12:38 PM , Sheila Seccia trainsandhobbies@... sent:
> Yes, if you use the thin shank link coupler pins.
> Tom Seccia
> ________________________________
> From: willisbd
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 9:26 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Link Coupler Compatability
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68224 From: David Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
From now until April 15th we are offering to quarter the drivers on all
of your post war AF "S" steam engines (1946 - 1966). We will quarter
them to 87% which is best for optimum performance. The cost per engine
is $10.00 plus $5.00 for return shipping in CONUS. Please contact
dave@...
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/post?postID=XuExjrRfERyL\
cpX6cN0mEicsCxEFcY2u6EEjQFnexRw1mEFyKEtICIenfyD8R9Qjkp4-9nG2kOrFgFF58Neg\
pWGc> to schedule your chassis only in our queue.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68225 From: Slappy Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Looking for instructions for Omnicrom Shark nose diesel kits
Hello,

I recently acquired a set of A-B-A shark nose diesel kits in S by Omnicrom. I'm looking for the assembly instructions. I'm hoping to find a copy specifically for this locomotive but if anyone has any other similar diesel kits by this manufacturer that would probably work too. The big issue is assembling the drive train and trucks.

I might also be interested in working out something with someone that has experience with assembly of these kits. I might be willing to trade one of the A units or the B unit, especially if I can't find the instructions to do it myself. If anyone can help me out with either of these issues and wants to contact me directly, my email is mscherpenberg@.... These are scale diesels by the way and not AF compatible although they will run on S Helper or American Model track.

Thanks,
Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 68226 From: Obie Bell Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: April 1990 CTT
Hello Mike, I started my subscription with CTT in 1990 and let it expire in 2001. I have the issue that you just "WON". Next time check with your wife before you bid, as she knew what she was talking about. LOL
Obie
To: s-trains@...
CC: Wjzwjz@...; tjbian@...; jerry.matsick@...; Bill9678@...; Joseph.Lechner@...; gmc50@...; steve.conard@...
From: mlmarmer@...
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:36:30 -0500
Subject: [S-Trains] April 1990 CTT




























On eBay someone had a April of 1990 issue of CTT for sale, as the headliner for the magazine was featuring the 20 top American Flyer sets, so I figure, why not get it, since I did not get back into trains until 1992, as I started to get CTT in 1992 too. So I never read this issue. I am sure many sets are from 1958, as I my first set was the 20740, the set with the 21129 Hudson, PA Flat car and Monon Flat car.



So I told Linda of my big 5 dollar purchase on ebay and why I got this magazine from 1990.



Now the kicker: Linda goes, �Why would they have anything on American Flyer in that magazine. Isn�t that the reason why you stopped getting it since they usually have nothing in it on AF?�



End of story. See, she knows about CTT and how little they have on AF. LOL



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68227 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: April 1990 CTT
Hi Obie,

When I finish it, then I can re sale it? LOL Oh the fees are too high!
LOL

I think I started my subscription in 1992 and I let it go about the same
year you did.

I think Hugo will put it in the bathroom when I am done with it at S Helper
Field.

I have thrown out many of them, no need to save, as I still have a pile of
them here.

I have been told if you have not looked at something in 9 months then throw
it away, as this was from when I was in food sales, referring to trade
magazines. Not books.

But it could apply to CTT too. LOL

Probably the two issues I will save in the end will be the Neil Young issue
and the issue on Bob Board's layout.

Oh, I knew what I was getting for the money on the magazine, when I placed
the bid, as I felt it would be interesting to see what sets they in that
issue.

It was not a arm and a leg however.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Obie Bell
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 3:24 PM
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] April 1990 CTT





Hello Mike, I started my subscription with CTT in 1990 and let it expire in
2001. I have the issue that you just "WON". Next time check with your wife
before you bid, as she knew what she was talking about. LOL
Obie
To: s-trains@...
CC: Wjzwjz@...; tjbian@...; jerry.matsick@...;
Bill9678@...; Joseph.Lechner@...; gmc50@...;
steve.conard@...
From: mlmarmer@...
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:36:30 -0500
Subject: [S-Trains] April 1990 CTT




























On eBay someone had a April of 1990 issue of CTT for sale, as the
headliner for the magazine was featuring the 20 top American Flyer sets, so
I figure, why not get it, since I did not get back into trains until 1992,
as I started to get CTT in 1992 too. So I never read this issue. I am
sure many sets are from 1958, as I my first set was the 20740, the set with
the 21129 Hudson, PA Flat car and Monon Flat car.



So I told Linda of my big 5 dollar purchase on ebay and why I got this
magazine from 1990.



Now the kicker: Linda goes, “Why would they have anything on American Flyer
in that magazine. Isn’t that the reason why you stopped getting it since
they usually have nothing in it on AF?”



End of story. See, she knows about CTT and how little they have on AF. LOL



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68228 From: Brady Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: April 1990 CTT
> Now the kicker: Linda goes, “Why would they have anything on American Flyer in that magazine. Isn’t that the reason why you stopped getting it since they usually have nothing in it on AF?”
>
> End of story. See, she knows about CTT and how little they have on AF. LOL
>
> Mike
>

I dropped my subscription to CTT. To be fair, I was losing interest in it before I switched back to S.

Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 68229 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: D&K Pinheads Baseball update
the latest news story out of my little RR town has to do with the below story from England.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2097914/Anfield-cat-Premier-League-star-homeless-tabby-named-Kenny.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Kenny the cat put a stop in play in Liverpool, at a soccer match.

However my friend the Ghost Writer has a update from Dingburg, MD.

DINGBURG, MD (AP) –


The D & K Pinheads unexpectedly finished the season $500,000 in the black after manager H. Chavez started a rumor via Facebook that the black cat on the base line in S Helper Stadium is a third cousin once removed from Kenny, the gray and white cat that disrupted a Liverpool soccer match yesterday. Thousands of fans flocked to the Maryland suburb to photograph the newfound feline celebrity. The Pinheads, threatening to climb out of the cellar of the triple-D-minus Southern Semi-Amateur League, averaged seven paid attendances per game until their recent windfall. Spurred by the unaccustomed sound of living fans breathing and talking in the stands, Mosquito Rodriguez drove a ball into right center, extending his season hitting streak to one.


Darren Eden, who claims that his cat Pako sired the Anfield Tabby of Liverpool, denied that his pet has been traveling to North America. “But there’s always a lot of caterwauling aboard those Caribbean cruise ships”.


GW



Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68230 From: rhicks308 Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
> ... We will quarter them to 87% which is best for optimum performance....

I really don't understand what this means. 87% of what? Isn't the way they came from the factory best for optimum performance?

Randall
Group: S-Trains Message: 68231 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: City To City
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAqh9A6M5rs

Linda told me today that she heard Bonnie Raitt’s version of Right Down the Line, that will be on her new CD on April 10. The song was written by the late Gerry Rafferty, who died last year.

Gerry was one singer of Stuck in the Middle with You of Steelers Wheel which has a very short career in the mid 70s.

But Gerry went out on his own recording solo LPs which I have many of.

City to City LP did very well, as Right Down the Line, was on that CD.

However in looking at some of the songs from City to City on YouTube, here is a video of him singing the song in 1978, as it is a train song, but he actually has a train set up in the video, as this has to be a G scale train. Not offend you see model trains in a music video.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68232 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Rare Monon Listings.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190576182065?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570.l2736%26_nkw%3D190576182065%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1


http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-24536-Monon-Piggy-Back-Car-/130645108396?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1e6b0e26ac

Most of you know I am a big fan of ebay as a buyer, but here are two examples of buyers losing their minds.

These are two listings for the rare Monon Flat Car.

The first one in E- sold for 4100 and the second one is on eBay now for 3850, but it does look a lot better as the wheels show very little wear if any wear at all.

I got mine in 1996 from Rick Z in Houston for 1200 in E+ at York.

Greenberg has this at 850 in E and TM, Bob B., has this at 1400 in E in today’s world of things.. I wonder why the big spread in pricing between guides?

Mine is in E+ so I will sell mine for 3600. Just kidding about selling mine.

I just can’t image anyone paying 4100 for this car in E-. nor 3850 for the one on sale now.

Actually one sold yesterday in VG for 375.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/120855893974?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Mike Marmer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68233 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Rare Monon Listing
What is kind of interesting about the Monon car, it is from 1958.

Linda is reading a Stephen King book called November 22, 1963, which has a bit to do with the Kennedy Assassination, but the book starts out with the owner of a diner in Maine, who goes back to 1958 through a magic doorway, as his food prices on the menu are so low. His customers can not figure out why this is so and he wont tell them that he is going back to 1958 and he picks up food items at 1958 prices for the diner.

Sooo.......he needs to pick up some five digit AF sets each time he goes back.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68234 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
I think, and this is really a guess, that should be 87 Degrees. 90 degrees,
would tend to bind up. The 13 Degrees would be about right. Mike in Ore


In a message dated 2/9/2012 5:47:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
randallhicks@... writes:




--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
"David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
> ... We will quarter them to 87% which is best for optimum performance....

I really don't understand what this means. 87% of what? Isn't the way they
came from the factory best for optimum performance?

Randall






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Group: S-Trains Message: 68235 From: rick gough Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Most ofus don't CARE if you are a big fan of ebay!


rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing


________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S Trains <s-trains@...>; Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; Ralph Loveless <ralcor888@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 5:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.


 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190576182065?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570.l2736%26_nkw%3D190576182065%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-24536-Monon-Piggy-Back-Car-/130645108396?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1e6b0e26ac

Most of you know I am a big fan of ebay as a buyer, but here are two examples of buyers losing their minds.

These are two listings for the rare Monon Flat Car.

The first one in E- sold for 4100 and the second one is on eBay now for 3850, but it does look a lot better as the wheels show very little wear if any wear at all.

I got mine in 1996 from Rick Z in Houston for 1200 in E+ at York.

Greenberg has this at 850 in E and TM, Bob B., has this at 1400 in E in today’s world of things.. I wonder why the big spread in pricing between guides?

Mine is in E+ so I will sell mine for 3600. Just kidding about selling mine.

I just can’t image anyone paying 4100 for this car in E-. nor 3850 for the one on sale now.

Actually one sold yesterday in VG for 375.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/120855893974?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68236 From: rick gough Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
He likely means degrees. One side of drivers needs to be set up at 90 degrees from the other side. For some reason dave knows that 87 degrees is super fantastic optimal. I eyeball assemble mine and they all run just fine and I don't see where 3 deg difference could mean anything when you account for all the slop in the side rods; but maybe it does and he will elaborate. Whatever, quartering accurately is a must.


rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68237 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
I think it would be akin to a 2cyl engine & Top Dead Center


In a message dated 2/9/2012 7:10:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
racin510@... writes:




He likely means degrees. One side of drivers needs to be set up at 90
degrees from the other side. For some reason dave knows that 87 degrees is
super fantastic optimal. I eyeball assemble mine and they all run just fine and
I don't see where 3 deg difference could mean anything when you account
for all the slop in the side rods; but maybe it does and he will elaborate.
Whatever, quartering accurately is a must.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68238 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Rick,

Okay, as I would never tell you I don’t care about Datsun’s as you sign that with your name.

I must of hit a nerve with you about ebay.

sorry, I hope I don’t upset you again.

My bad,

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:39 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.


Most ofus don't CARE if you are a big fan of ebay!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

________________________________




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68239 From: Jimbo Date: 2/9/2012
Subject: s gauge club
does anyone know if there is a S.C. s gaugers club? if so where tks vm dont know why i didnt ask this question before.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68240 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Rick,
     My bad, Yes, I ment 87 degrees. This is, by my 30 years plus experience, a much better setting than the factory 90 degrees. As the years go by and the engines become more and more sloppy they get noiser and the 87 degrees quites them down nicely plus on the articulated ones it lessens the binding and wear on the articulating rods. All around just a much better setting.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872

--- On Thu, 2/9/12, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote:


From: rick gough <racin510@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 9, 2012, 10:01 PM



 



He likely means degrees. One side of drivers needs to be set up at 90 degrees from the other side. For some reason dave knows that 87 degrees is super fantastic optimal. I eyeball assemble mine and they all run just fine and I don't see where 3 deg difference could mean anything when you account for all the slop in the side rods; but maybe it does and he will elaborate. Whatever, quartering accurately is a must.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68241 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
That was just a rude remark. Didn't your mother bring you up any better than that?

Bruce



From: rick gough
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 6:39 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.



Most ofus don't CARE if you are a big fan of ebay!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S Trains <s-trains@...>; Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; Ralph Loveless <ralcor888@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 5:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/190576182065?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570.l2736%26_nkw%3D190576182065%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-24536-Monon-Piggy-Back-Car-/130645108396?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1e6b0e26ac

Most of you know I am a big fan of ebay as a buyer, but here are two examples of buyers losing their minds.

These are two listings for the rare Monon Flat Car.

The first one in E- sold for 4100 and the second one is on eBay now for 3850, but it does look a lot better as the wheels show very little wear if any wear at all.

I got mine in 1996 from Rick Z in Houston for 1200 in E+ at York.

Greenberg has this at 850 in E and TM, Bob B., has this at 1400 in E in today’s world of things.. I wonder why the big spread in pricing between guides?

Mine is in E+ so I will sell mine for 3600. Just kidding about selling mine.

I just can’t image anyone paying 4100 for this car in E-. nor 3850 for the one on sale now.

Actually one sold yesterday in VG for 375.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/120855893974?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68242 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
The 3-degree offset IS in fact what the factory did. When we sell our
quartering tools, we supply a copy of the original factory paperwork
that was sent to their repair shops explaining this 3-degree difference.
When we had our reproduction quartering tools made several years ago, we
exactly copied a set of original factory tools.....and the quartering
pins are set with the 3-degree offset.



<<<Yes, I meant 87 degrees. This is, by my 30 years plus experience, a
much better setting than the factory 90 degrees>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68243 From: Neil Trump Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
On July 26 1956 Gilbert put out Bulletin #15 which consisted of 3 pages. The reference number that Gilbert gave this is B450(1 of 3).

On page 2, half way down it mentions Bulletin #14 and that the quartering is set at 90 degrees but in fact they have now found that the steam engines operate better when set to 87 degrees. It then goes on to mention the R2 quartering tool set to the new 87 degrees and how it can be used for the older engines set to 90 degrees.

It also indicates that engines were set to 87 degrees from some point in 1955 but does not tell us what actual month or set etc.

Hope is helps

Regards,

Neil

.




On 10 Feb 2012, at 10:55, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:

> Rick,
> My bad, Yes, I ment 87 degrees. This is, by my 30 years plus experience, a much better setting than the factory 90 degrees. As the years go by and the engines become more and more sloppy they get noiser and the 87 degrees quites them down nicely plus on the articulated ones it lessens the binding and wear on the articulating rods. All around just a much better setting.
> Dave
> LBR Enterprises,llc
> 502-292-1872
>
> --- On Thu, 2/9/12, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote:
>
> From: rick gough <racin510@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, February 9, 2012, 10:01 PM
>
>
>
> He likely means degrees. One side of drivers needs to be set up at 90 degrees from the other side. For some reason dave knows that 87 degrees is super fantastic optimal. I eyeball assemble mine and they all run just fine and I don't see where 3 deg difference could mean anything when you account for all the slop in the side rods; but maybe it does and he will elaborate. Whatever, quartering accurately is a must.
>
> rick gough
> mudshark datsun
> 510 racing
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68244 From: Dale Reynolds Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: s gauge club
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jimbo" <jad01@...> wrote:
>
> does anyone know if there is a S.C. s gaugers club? if so where tks vm dont know why i didnt ask this question before.
>
hey jimbo, there are 3. Piedmont S Gaugers, modular, Greenville Spartanburg area, set up at train shows mainly. Atlantic coast s Gaugers, Columbia area, modular too. Central Railway Museum, 108 Werner st, Central, permanent 10x15 layout, meet on thursdays and sat. give me a phone no if you want contact info.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68245 From: Al Baker Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Have I been missing something for a long time? I also have been eyeballing mine for years. I have done quite a few, and never had a problem. (I'm sure some are off 5-10 degrees.) I don't understand why on a model train it matters where they are set (as long as not together which could affect it some). Afterall, the driving rods are NOT being used to drive the driving wheels. On the real ones it makes a big difference, but on models? They are just being loosly moving around. How can it make any diffeence mechanically?

Al Baker
Portland



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote:
>
> He likely means degrees. One side of drivers needs to be set up at 90 degrees from the other side. For some reason dave knows that 87 degrees is super fantastic optimal. I eyeball assemble mine and they all run just fine and I don't see where 3 deg difference could mean anything when you account for all the slop in the side rods; but maybe it does and he will elaborate. Whatever, quartering accurately is a must.
>
>
> rick gough
> mudshark datsun
> 510 racing
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68246 From: John Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: 583 magnetic crane
S Group: I am rearranging the accessories on my 6 x 10 island layout, and retrieved a 583 Magnetic Crane that has been gathering dust on my shelf since I bought it (used) in 1994. The motor works and sequences direction pefectly, but the original string is somewhat stiff and it loops around the front crank handle "axle" 3X. I have softened the string with ArmourAll and it is much better, but the motor still struggles to lift the magnet while turning the cab to raise it. My sense of it is that if the string didn't make the triple loop around the front crank axle, it wouldn't have to struggle against itself as it does now. Neither the Barker Book or my Aurotech book show the proper string installation for this toy. Is the triple loop the correct string installation? If one of you with a well performing 583 could check your string routing, I will be grateful. Alternatively, perhaps I need to work on the ease of turning the front crankhandle shaft. It turns easily enough by hand, but it appears to me that it is designed to "spin" as the crane operates and this adds another element of resistance to a 62 year old toy's effort to show its stuff. Thank you. john davis noblesville IN
Group: S-Trains Message: 68247 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Hi Mike,
� Early steam locomotives with bushings were quartered 90 degrees. Factory Service Bulletin later listed quartering at 87 degrees.
Tom Seccia





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From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)


 
I think, and this is really a guess, that should be 87 Degrees. 90 degrees,
would tend to bind up. The 13 Degrees would be about right. Mike in Ore


In a message dated 2/9/2012 5:47:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
randallhicks@... writes:

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
"David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
> ... We will quarter them to 87% which is best for optimum performance....

I really don't understand what this means. 87% of what? Isn't the way they
came from the factory best for optimum performance?

Randall

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68248 From: Joseph H Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: s gauge club
The Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers is an S gauge club serving both Carolinas. We will next be in SC at the Palmetto TCA Show in Columbia on March 24th ( http://www.traincollectorsassociation.org/) and at Mauldin, SC on May 4,5,6,11, and 12 (http://www.mauldinchamber.org/home/calendar-1) for the Mauldin Chamber of Commerce/City of Mauldin Train Show.

For further information, go to www.trainweb.org/acsg or contact me.

Joe

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jimbo" <jad01@...> wrote:
>
> does anyone know if there is a S.C. s gaugers club? if so where tks vm dont know why i didnt ask this question before.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68249 From: sscalemn Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Clear Bulbs in 720 Switches
I have a pare of late 1940's 720 switches in nice shape in an even nicer original box. Everything functions just fine except that the clear bulbs in the switches, themselves, are missing (red and green bulbs in the controller work just fine). So I had a couple of today's production 1447 bulbs which I inserted in place. No light. After confirming that 1) the bulbs were good and that 2)power was getting to the bulb sockets, I came to the conclusion that it was not possible to screw the bulb far enough into the socket to make contact with the lower "dimple". So I grabbed a "junk" 720 from my scrapbox, hooked it up and confirmed that the switch light was, indeed, lighting. Unscrewed it to find it was also a 1447 bulb. Tried to install the bulb in the 1940's switch with the same issue. So the question is - did the bulb style change slightly between the 1940's and 50's/60's such that the 1940's vintage bulb has a different/longer screw-in shank? If so, what should I order for repro bulbs to fit these earlier switches? Thanks in advance for the help.

Walt Jopke
Group: S-Trains Message: 68250 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
It has been mentioned here before that using Maguire's mag wheel polish works great on the AF aluminum cars and it does, as I have used it on some of these cars.

But someone mentioned here on what to use on the non Aluminum ends to shine them up.

If that person is still on this list could you let us know again.

I have a friend not on this list cleaning his cars and I would like to clean the ends of my cars too.

Thanks for the help.

Mike Marmer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68251 From: Ron Inscho Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Clear Bulbs in 720 Switches
For some reason most of the lamps made in the last 30yrs. have this problem , easy to fix , just add some solder to the center tip of the bulb and it should work .



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68252 From: R G Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Clear Bulbs in 720 Switches
Another alternative is to put a small piece of brass in the base for the light to sit on. Just keep iot small so it will not contact the sides.  The pressure from screwing in the light will keep it in place.



________________________________
From: sscalemn <sscale@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 12:55 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Clear Bulbs in 720 Switches


 
I have a pare of late 1940's 720 switches in nice shape in an even nicer original box. Everything functions just fine except that the clear bulbs in the switches, themselves, are missing (red and green bulbs in the controller work just fine). So I had a couple of today's production 1447 bulbs which I inserted in place. No light. After confirming that 1) the bulbs were good and that 2)power was getting to the bulb sockets, I came to the conclusion that it was not possible to screw the bulb far enough into the socket to make contact with the lower "dimple". So I grabbed a "junk" 720 from my scrapbox, hooked it up and confirmed that the switch light was, indeed, lighting. Unscrewed it to find it was also a 1447 bulb. Tried to install the bulb in the 1940's switch with the same issue. So the question is - did the bulb style change slightly between the 1940's and 50's/60's such that the 1940's vintage bulb has a different/longer screw-in shank? If so, what
should I order for repro bulbs to fit these earlier switches? Thanks in advance for the help.

Walt Jopke




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68253 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Clear Bulbs in 720 Switches
Hi Walt,
                  Many of the imported bulbs will not fir properly.  For example the #1449 Imported Bulbs do not screw down enough to keep the bulb from hitting the boiler shells on K5, Hudson, Northern and 0-8-0 boiler fronts.   I had some #1449 and #1447 bulbs reproduced with USA specifications.  These will work the same as the original USA bulbs.  Try an original GE or Westinghouse bulb in the switch to make sure that is the problem.
                                                             Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: sscalemn <sscale@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 12:55 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Clear Bulbs in 720 Switches


 
I have a pare of late 1940's 720 switches in nice shape in an even nicer original box. Everything functions just fine except that the clear bulbs in the switches, themselves, are missing (red and green bulbs in the controller work just fine). So I had a couple of today's production 1447 bulbs which I inserted in place. No light. After confirming that 1) the bulbs were good and that 2)power was getting to the bulb sockets, I came to the conclusion that it was not possible to screw the bulb far enough into the socket to make contact with the lower "dimple". So I grabbed a "junk" 720 from my scrapbox, hooked it up and confirmed that the switch light was, indeed, lighting. Unscrewed it to find it was also a 1447 bulb. Tried to install the bulb in the 1940's switch with the same issue. So the question is - did the bulb style change slightly between the 1940's and 50's/60's such that the 1940's vintage bulb has a different/longer screw-in shank? If
so, what should I order for repro bulbs to fit these earlier switches? Thanks in advance for the help.

Walt Jopke




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68254 From: Rich Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Mike -- I think the car ends, including the boat tail on the observation car, are cast aluminum(?), so Maquire's should work. I've been using Mother's Mag and Aluminum Polish on a couple of car ends (not the boat tail) and it seems to work ok. The problem I had is that the casting is sort of rough, so the polishing takes a lot of effort. I thought I'd try some Al buffing compound and a buffing wheel (on the ends not on the carbody) to see of that would work better.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> It has been mentioned here before that using Maguire's mag wheel polish works great on the AF aluminum cars and it does, as I have used it on some of these cars.
>
> But someone mentioned here on what to use on the non Aluminum ends to shine them up.
>
> If that person is still on this list could you let us know again.
>
> I have a friend not on this list cleaning his cars and I would like to clean the ends of my cars too.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68255 From: Rich Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: 583 magnetic crane
John -- the 583 that I rebuilt came 'unstrung', so I can't be sure, but my impression is that that the string passes straight through the cab, out the back and attaches to the fixed 'post' on the crane frame. I don't see what would be gained by having the string loop around the 'axle'.

In my case, I wanted the crane to rotate and raise/lower the hook independently, so I wound up installing two small DC motors/gear sets (kits from Tamiya) - one that fit inside the crane cab to raise/lower the hook and one underneath to provide rotation. When I get a moment, I'll try to post the pictures I took documenting this in the photos section.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" <wyoaf@...> wrote:
>
> S Group: I am rearranging the accessories on my 6 x 10 island layout, and retrieved a 583 Magnetic Crane that has been gathering dust on my shelf since I bought it (used) in 1994. The motor works and sequences direction pefectly, but the original string is somewhat stiff and it loops around the front crank handle "axle" 3X. I have softened the string with ArmourAll and it is much better, but the motor still struggles to lift the magnet while turning the cab to raise it. My sense of it is that if the string didn't make the triple loop around the front crank axle, it wouldn't have to struggle against itself as it does now. Neither the Barker Book or my Aurotech book show the proper string installation for this toy. Is the triple loop the correct string installation? If one of you with a well performing 583 could check your string routing, I will be grateful. Alternatively, perhaps I need to work on the ease of turning the front crankhandle shaft. It turns easily enough by hand, but it appears to me that it is designed to "spin" as the crane operates and this adds another element of resistance to a 62 year old toy's effort to show its stuff. Thank you. john davis noblesville IN
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68256 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
I believe they use Simichrome polish, available at auto parts or motorcycle shops

Bob

Sent from my iPod

On Feb 10, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

> It has been mentioned here before that using Maguire's mag wheel polish works great on the AF aluminum cars and it does, as I have used it on some of these cars.
>
> But someone mentioned here on what to use on the non Aluminum ends to shine them up.
>
> If that person is still on this list could you let us know again.
>
> I have a friend not on this list cleaning his cars and I would like to clean the ends of my cars too.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68257 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
That would be me! I use yellow jeweler's rouge, purchased in stick form (I don't remember where, but it was a machine-shop supplier. One stick lasts a lifetime.). I have a rag wheel (8") on my bench grinder, and the rouge is applied direct to the wheel while it is turning. - John Marganski



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68258 From: David Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: HUDSON "HEAVY WEIGHT" PILOT TRUCK (Advertisement))
As promised we now can unveil our new "HEAVY WEIGHT PILOT TRUCK" for AF
HUDSON, PACIFIC & NORTHERN ENGINES" (1946 - 1966). This new truck as
expected weighs in at approx. 1.5oz and when installed in your HUDSON,
PACIFIC or NORTHERN really makes that area look a LOT MORE MASSIVE as
was true with the real engines plus derailments are mostly a thing of
the past after installing this truck.

To view / purchase please go to;

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html>

The first shipping date will be 02-20-2012.

As we will receive, initially, only 25 of these soon to be a standard
for these engines it would be wise to order early.

Thank you all for your continuing suppoer and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68259 From: rhicks308 Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote:
>
> The 3-degree offset IS in fact what the factory did. When we sell our
> quartering tools, we supply a copy of the original factory paperwork
> that was sent to their repair shops explaining this 3-degree difference. (snip)

Well, that's quite interesting. As others have commented, I find it surprising that 3 degrees could make a noticeable difference, since there's so much slop in the system. The motor drives the rear axle, and if you pick up a typical engine, you can usually push the front drivers back and forth 15 degrees or more. After all, this is American Flyer we're talking about, not some high-precision mechanism.

But thanks for the information!

Randall
Group: S-Trains Message: 68260 From: rick gough Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Sorry, your tunnel view of Ebay just got very old. Some of us were just trying to get you to see the negatives that have crept into their policies along wioth the obvious positives for buyers that have been their for years. Off dead subject: As for Datsuns the only people in existence who really don't like the Datsun 510, in racing circles anyhow, are the Porsche and BMW drivers who have been beaten soooo many times by our little 'grocery getters'!


rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing


________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.


 
Rick,

Okay, as I would never tell you I don’t care about Datsun’s as you sign that with your name.

I must of hit a nerve with you about ebay.

sorry, I hope I don’t upset you again.

My bad,

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:39 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.

Most ofus don't CARE if you are a big fan of ebay!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68261 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
John,

I don’t own a bench grinder.

I do own a dremel. This could be dangerous. O!

http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=64&catname=Polishing+Brushes

My knowledge on these things is limited.

On the link above, do you think there is something that would work on this rouge.

Anyone else with input?

Thanks again for all the help.

Mike

From: john isn't eddie anymore
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 3:12 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Aluminum Passenger Cars


That would be me! I use yellow jeweler's rouge, purchased in stick form (I don't remember where, but it was a machine-shop supplier. One stick lasts a lifetime.). I have a rag wheel (8") on my bench grinder, and the rouge is applied direct to the wheel while it is turning. - John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68262 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
http://www.esslinger.com/jewelers-yellow-polishing-rouge-compound.aspx

John and anyone else.

I found some on eBay. JUST KIDDING.

No, here is a website link for it and it is like 5 bucks.

Thanks again for the help.

Mike

From: john isn't eddie anymore
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 3:12 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Aluminum Passenger Cars


That would be me! I use yellow jeweler's rouge, purchased in stick form (I don't remember where, but it was a machine-shop supplier. One stick lasts a lifetime.). I have a rag wheel (8") on my bench grinder, and the rouge is applied direct to the wheel while it is turning. - John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68263 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
John,

Thanks, as I knew it was somebody on the list.

I will try the Maquire’s again, and then I will google this, as the same with Bob’s suggestion.

Thanks!!!

Mike

From: john isn't eddie anymore
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 3:12 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Aluminum Passenger Cars


That would be me! I use yellow jeweler's rouge, purchased in stick form (I don't remember where, but it was a machine-shop supplier. One stick lasts a lifetime.). I have a rag wheel (8") on my bench grinder, and the rouge is applied direct to the wheel while it is turning. - John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68264 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Hi Rich,

I did try the Maquire’s mag wheel polish on the ends but it did not do much for it, as I think this is the same stuff you used.

Okay, I will try again, as I know John and Bob mentioned something too.

Thanks again Rich.

Mike

From: Rich
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars


Mike -- I think the car ends, including the boat tail on the observation car, are cast aluminum(?), so Maquire's should work. I've been using Mother's Mag and Aluminum Polish on a couple of car ends (not the boat tail) and it seems to work ok. The problem I had is that the casting is sort of rough, so the polishing takes a lot of effort. I thought I'd try some Al buffing compound and a buffing wheel (on the ends not on the carbody) to see of that would work better.

- Rich

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> It has been mentioned here before that using Maguire's mag wheel polish works great on the AF aluminum cars and it does, as I have used it on some of these cars.
>
> But someone mentioned here on what to use on the non Aluminum ends to shine them up.
>
> If that person is still on this list could you let us know again.
>
> I have a friend not on this list cleaning his cars and I would like to clean the ends of my cars too.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68265 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Rick,

I thought the anti seller stuff got old, but I NEVER would of sent someone on the list a email like yours, as now you are telling me I have tunnel vision about eBay. Good grief.

I found your emails on this to me mean spirit and rude as it had nothing to do with the policies of eBay, as you are the one continuing this with your emails to the list about me.

It seems that many sellers are still using eBay, and not just for trains, as I don’t EBay is going away any time soon.

Those who don’t like eBay, don’t use it.

Did you ever sell on eBay or are you just throwing your weight around on the subject?

Who are the other ‘some” you mention. I would like to know.

It seems that just about every 3 months I piss someone off about nothing, and I have someone who I thought was a friend on my case over nothing.

Maybe you all should vote me on or off this island of S trains.

Mike



From: rick gough
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 4:39 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.


Sorry, your tunnel view of Ebay just got very old. Some of us were just trying to get you to see the negatives that have crept into their policies along wioth the obvious positives for buyers that have been their for years. Off dead subject: As for Datsuns the only people in existence who really don't like the Datsun 510, in racing circles anyhow, are the Porsche and BMW drivers who have been beaten soooo many times by our little 'grocery getters'!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.


Rick,

Okay, as I would never tell you I don’t care about Datsun’s as you sign that with your name.

I must of hit a nerve with you about ebay.

sorry, I hope I don’t upset you again.

My bad,

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:39 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.

Most ofus don't CARE if you are a big fan of ebay!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68266 From: rick gough Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: 583 magnetic crane
Yes, string straight thru the cab and new string a good idea.


rick gough
SSS datsun
510 racing


________________________________
From: Rich <richs009@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 2:13 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 583 magnetic crane

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John -- the 583 that I rebuilt came 'unstrung', so I can't be sure, but my impression is that that the string passes straight through the cab, out the back and attaches to the fixed 'post' on the crane frame. I don't see what would be gained by having the string loop around the 'axle'.

In my case, I wanted the crane to rotate and raise/lower the hook independently, so I wound up installing two small DC motors/gear sets (kits from Tamiya) - one that fit inside the crane cab to raise/lower the hook and one underneath to provide rotation. When I get a moment, I'll try to post the pictures I took documenting this in the photos section.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" <wyoaf@...> wrote:
>
> S Group: I am rearranging the accessories on my 6 x 10 island layout, and retrieved a 583 Magnetic Crane that has been gathering dust on my shelf since I bought it (used) in 1994. The motor works and sequences direction pefectly, but the original string is somewhat stiff and it loops around the front crank handle "axle" 3X. I have softened the string with ArmourAll and it is much better, but the motor still struggles to lift the magnet while turning the cab to raise it. My sense of it is that if the string didn't make the triple loop around the front crank axle, it wouldn't have to struggle against itself as it does now. Neither the Barker Book or my Aurotech book show the proper string installation for this toy. Is the triple loop the correct string installation? If one of you with a well performing 583 could check your string routing, I will be grateful. Alternatively, perhaps I need to work on the ease of turning the front crankhandle shaft. It
turns easily enough by hand, but it appears to me that it is designed to "spin" as the crane operates and this adds another element of resistance to a 62 year old toy's effort to show its stuff. Thank you. john davis noblesville IN
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68267 From: rick gough Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
That is interesting, Dave, but I would think AGC's techs thought they had discouvered a more efficient location of the side rods. I wonder if we have a mechanical engineer in our midst who might take a modern look at the reality of their theory. I have a number of well worn SIT engines and I haven't noticed this noise factor, which I would expect to be something of a clatter to be noticable. I don't think that the setting could be changed just 3 deg using the origional old drivers as the pressed spline grooves would already be set in the hub. Whenever I put a driver back on an axle it always wants to jump in the prepressed grooves, so "Close Counts" I guess!


rick gough
SSS datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68268 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Nobody should be blasting anyone here. If you don't agree with a post or poster hit the little button marked DELETE with resorting to name calling, nasty retorts or snarkiness. We're all here because of our common interest. Let's play nice.
 
Bob


________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.


 
Rick,

I thought the anti seller stuff got old, but I NEVER would of sent someone on the list a email like yours, as now you are telling me I have tunnel vision about eBay. Good grief.

I found your emails on this to me mean spirit and rude as it had nothing to do with the policies of eBay, as you are the one continuing this with your emails to the list about me.

It seems that many sellers are still using eBay, and not just for trains, as I don’t EBay is going away any time soon.

Those who don’t like eBay, don’t use it.

Did you ever sell on eBay or are you just throwing your weight around on the subject?

Who are the other ‘some” you mention. I would like to know.

It seems that just about every 3 months I piss someone off about nothing, and I have someone who I thought was a friend on my case over nothing.

Maybe you all should vote me on or off this island of S trains.

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 4:39 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.

Sorry, your tunnel view of Ebay just got very old. Some of us were just trying to get you to see the negatives that have crept into their policies along wioth the obvious positives for buyers that have been their for years. Off dead subject: As for Datsuns the only people in existence who really don't like the Datsun 510, in racing circles anyhow, are the Porsche and BMW drivers who have been beaten soooo many times by our little 'grocery getters'!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.

Rick,

Okay, as I would never tell you I don’t care about Datsun’s as you sign that with your name.

I must of hit a nerve with you about ebay.

sorry, I hope I don’t upset you again.

My bad,

Mike

From: rick gough
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:39 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.

Most ofus don't CARE if you are a big fan of ebay!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68269 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
The Dremel is too small, best results come with a 1/2" or thicker wheel. Try a buffing wheel for the observation boat tail end, the wider Dremel cloth wheel would be fine for the vestibules. The vestibules seem to be rougher than the boat tail, and would benefit from a WET sanding with 800 grit wet/dry paper before polishing.- John Marganski


I don’t own a bench grinder.

I do own a dremel. This could be dangerous. O!


That would be me! I use yellow jeweler's rouge, purchased in stick form (I don't remember where, but it was a machine-shop supplier. One stick lasts a lifetime.). I have a rag wheel (8") on my bench grinder, and the rouge is applied direct to the wheel while it is turning. - John Marganski






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Group: S-Trains Message: 68270 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Keep in mind that the org setting was when the engines were new. Mike


In a message dated 2/10/2012 4:53:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
racin510@... writes:




That is interesting, Dave, but I would think AGC's techs thought they had
discouvered a more efficient location of the side rods. I wonder if we have
a mechanical engineer in our midst who might take a modern look at the
reality of their theory. I have a number of well worn SIT engines and I haven't
noticed this noise factor, which I would expect to be something of a
clatter to be noticable. I don't think that the setting could be changed just 3
deg using the origional old drivers as the pressed spline grooves would
already be set in the hub. Whenever I put a driver back on an axle it always
wants to jump in the prepressed grooves, so "Close Counts" I guess!

rick gough
SSS datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68271 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
I agree with you Mike. Quite a mean email. I also agree with you about eBay.
These knockers might live in close access to Train meets and train public
auctions - I don't and there are plenty of others up there in the same boat. eBay
is the only way to go. As to greed by the owners of eBay - well if it hadn't been
for greedy merchants on both sides of the Atlantic your great Nation would never
have been born. Only a few of the Founding Fathers were solely altruistic - most
had vested financial interests. Alistaior
Group: S-Trains Message: 68272 From: Bradley Golden Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
i would like to know what to use on the ends too thnks Brad



--- On Fri, 2/10/12, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 10, 2012, 5:26 PM



 



Hi Rich,

I did try the Maquire’s mag wheel polish on the ends but it did not do much for it, as I think this is the same stuff you used.

Okay, I will try again, as I know John and Bob mentioned something too.

Thanks again Rich.

Mike

From: Rich
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars

Mike -- I think the car ends, including the boat tail on the observation car, are cast aluminum(?), so Maquire's should work. I've been using Mother's Mag and Aluminum Polish on a couple of car ends (not the boat tail) and it seems to work ok. The problem I had is that the casting is sort of rough, so the polishing takes a lot of effort. I thought I'd try some Al buffing compound and a buffing wheel (on the ends not on the carbody) to see of that would work better.

- Rich

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> It has been mentioned here before that using Maguire's mag wheel polish works great on the AF aluminum cars and it does, as I have used it on some of these cars.
>
> But someone mentioned here on what to use on the non Aluminum ends to shine them up.
>
> If that person is still on this list could you let us know again.
>
> I have a friend not on this list cleaning his cars and I would like to clean the ends of my cars too.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
>
>
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>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68273 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Thanks John, as that saves that route.

yes, someone emailed me about using 1000 grit wet sand paper.

Again, thanks for the help.

Oh, I was just told that simichrome does work well on those pieces, so I will try that first.

Mike

From: john isn't eddie anymore
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:16 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Aluminum Passenger Cars


The Dremel is too small, best results come with a 1/2" or thicker wheel. Try a buffing wheel for the observation boat tail end, the wider Dremel cloth wheel would be fine for the vestibules. The vestibules seem to be rougher than the boat tail, and would benefit from a WET sanding with 800 grit wet/dry paper before polishing.- John Marganski

I don’t own a bench grinder.

I do own a dremel. This could be dangerous. O!

That would be me! I use yellow jeweler's rouge, purchased in stick form (I don't remember where, but it was a machine-shop supplier. One stick lasts a lifetime.). I have a rag wheel (8") on my bench grinder, and the rouge is applied direct to the wheel while it is turning. - John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68274 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Well said, Bob.


On 2/10/2012 9:08 PM, robert hendrickson wrote:
>
> Nobody should be blasting anyone here. If you don't agree with a post
> or poster hit the little button marked DELETE with resorting to name
> calling, nasty retorts or snarkiness. We're all here because of our
> common interest. Let's play nice.
>
> Bob
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...
> <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.
>
>
> Rick,
>
> I thought the anti seller stuff got old, but I NEVER would of sent
> someone on the list a email like yours, as now you are telling me I
> have tunnel vision about eBay. Good grief.
>
> I found your emails on this to me mean spirit and rude as it had
> nothing to do with the policies of eBay, as you are the one continuing
> this with your emails to the list about me.
>
> It seems that many sellers are still using eBay, and not just for
> trains, as I don’t EBay is going away any time soon.
>
> Those who don’t like eBay, don’t use it.
>
> Did you ever sell on eBay or are you just throwing your weight around
> on the subject?
>
> Who are the other ‘some” you mention. I would like to know.
>
> It seems that just about every 3 months I piss someone off about
> nothing, and I have someone who I thought was a friend on my case over
> nothing.
>
> Maybe you all should vote me on or off this island of S trains.
>
> Mike
>
> From: rick gough
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 4:39 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.
>
> Sorry, your tunnel view of Ebay just got very old. Some of us were
> just trying to get you to see the negatives that have crept into their
> policies along wioth the obvious positives for buyers that have been
> their for years. Off dead subject: As for Datsuns the only people in
> existence who really don't like the Datsun 510, in racing circles
> anyhow, are the Porsche and BMW drivers who have been beaten soooo
> many times by our little 'grocery getters'!
>
> rick gough
> mudshark datsun
> 510 racing
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 7:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.
>
> Rick,
>
> Okay, as I would never tell you I don’t care about Datsun’s as you
> sign that with your name.
>
> I must of hit a nerve with you about ebay.
>
> sorry, I hope I don’t upset you again.
>
> My bad,
>
> Mike
>
> From: rick gough
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:39 PM
> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.
>
> Most ofus don't CARE if you are a big fan of ebay!
>
> rick gough
> mudshark datsun
> 510 racing
>
> ________________________________
>
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>
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68275 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
Sorry, the below has some bad grammer, like found for find, and I meant to write ebay is not going away.

Sorry it is not a perfect world for some. I do the best I can.

Mike





From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 6:23 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rare Monon Listings.


Rick,

I thought the anti seller stuff got old, but I NEVER would of sent someone on the list a email like yours, as now you are telling me I have tunnel vision about eBay. Good grief.

I found your emails on this to me mean spirit and rude as it had nothing to do with the policies of eBay, as you are the one continuing this with your emails to the list about me.

It seems that many sellers are still using eBay, and not just for trains, as I don’t EBay is going away any time soon.

Those who don’t like eBay, don’t use it.

Did you ever sell on eBay or are you just throwing your weight around on the subject?

Who are the other ‘some” you mention. I would like to know.

It seems that just about every 3 months I piss someone off about nothing, and I have someone who I thought was a friend on my case over nothing.

Maybe you all should vote me on or off this island of S trains.

Mike





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68276 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: For sale: Gilbert Flyer equipment
The following items are from a local high school teacher who is selling his collection to solve a cash flow crunch. For reference purposes, I show 2012 TM Guide book
values(adjusted for condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer he can't
refuse!Please include your address so I can calculate shipping charges and
send you an invoice with the total.

Pictures
available on request.

Whenever
you find American Flyer items for sale, you can learn what they are,
what they should look like, and when they were made by checking my
website, TheGilbertGallery.org. The site lists all S-Scale American
Flyer engines, cars, and accessories made by A.C.Gilbert from
1946-1967 and by Lionel from 1979 to present. There are pictures of
most items. Hard-to-find and rare items are identified as such. I
hope you will visit the site and that you find it useful and
enjoyable.


725 Cross-over track. Owner says he doesn't think it was ever used, and it
looks to me like it has not been. It is in the original box, C-8, if not C-10 condition.  The box is P-7 Excellent condition.  $15

730 track
bumper with a straight track in original box. The track has no rust but
needs cleaning.  At one time, wires were soldered under the track. The
bumper itself has a small glue mark on the right-hand side and the bulb
has some paint scraped off the top; otherwise it looks to be in like new
condition, C-8. The box is in P-6 Very Good condition; half of one of
the inside protective flaps is loose in the box, the number 8698 is
written in crayon on the bottom, and the words "track ending "are
written in pen on one end flap. There is a small tear in the other end
flat. In general, however, the box is in fabulous condition!  $22

730
track bumper with a straight track in original box. The track has no
rust but needs cleaning.  At one time, wires were soldered under the
track. The bumper itself is in like new condition, C-8.  I put a new
bulb in it. The box is in P-6 Very Good condition; all flaps are intact
but there is a small tear in each end flap; the number 8698 is written
in crayon on the bottom. In general, however, the box is in fabulous
condition!  $25

By the way, I have the black wide-tie rubber roadbed pieces he used with these bumpers.  They have holes cut for the wires that were attached inconspicuously under the rails.


4-car 96x chrome streamliner set.  Overall, the set presents an impressive image, very nice overall appearance.  No boxes.  I figure the set has a book value of about $240.  The details:

- 960 Combination Car:  most of the chrome is nice and shiny with no patches flaked off, but one side of the roof and some patches on the sides look like rust, and there are a few rust spots on frame.  The worst car in the batch, I rate this car TCA C-5, Good.

- 961 Coach Car: couple of patches of chrome loss; scratches & discoloration in the roof.  weak C-6, VG-.

- 962 Vista Dome Car: crack in dome; some scratches & discoloration in roof.  The nicest of the cars, a strong C-6, VG+, maybe even Ex-.

- 963 Observation Car: couple patches of chrome loss in the back showing the underlying black plastic; antenna has some little bends and patches of rust in the back half.  Nice chrome sides and roof.  Has drumhead with no crack.  Overall, a strong C-6 VG; would be near C-7 if it weren't for those black patches in back.

And he has lots of black rubber roadbed, most of it with track included (which I can remove and sell separately if you don't want it).  Most is wide tie, but there are about 40 pieces of straight thin-tie roadbed that looks like it was never used, and he doesn't think it was ever on his layout.

More to come in future weeks ...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68277 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/10/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Hi Mike,
                 The reason the early steam locomotives were quartered at 90 degrees was because the factory used bushings on these.  PA9540 Small Hole. PA9541 Large Hole. There was another one which was long and went through the width of the chassis. I don't know the PA number for that.  The holes in these bushings were tight and had little or no play.  The drive axle PA10006 was tapered to keep the drive gear from slipping.   I had the PA9540 & PA9541 bushings made to be used with my quartering tool. My tool is 90 degrees. I did this because operators who run their trains a lot will have play in the chassis.  I don't know what year Gilbert ceased using the bushings and I can't find my service bulletin on the quartering, but someone at the factory must have realized that when they start drilling holes directly into the chassis without bushings that there would be more play.  I believe Gilbert made the same mistake with the
steamers as they did with the diesels.  Dave's price for quartering your steam locomotives for $10.00 is a steal considering the cost of Quartering Tools.

                                                                      Tom Seccia



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From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)


 
Keep in mind that the org setting was when the engines were new. Mike


In a message dated 2/10/2012 4:53:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
racin510@... writes:

That is interesting, Dave, but I would think AGC's techs thought they had
discouvered a more efficient location of the side rods. I wonder if we have
a mechanical engineer in our midst who might take a modern look at the
reality of their theory. I have a number of well worn SIT engines and I haven't
noticed this noise factor, which I would expect to be something of a
clatter to be noticable. I don't think that the setting could be changed just 3
deg using the origional old drivers as the pressed spline grooves would
already be set in the hub. Whenever I put a driver back on an axle it always
wants to jump in the prepressed grooves, so "Close Counts" I guess!

rick gough
SSS datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68278 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Aluminum Passenger cars
I believe the person you are referring to is me, and as mentioned by one of the responders the polish is Simichrome polish. I am not sure of what these cast parts are made of but the Simichrome works extremely well to shine them up. It also works well on the aluminum shells. I have been able to purchase it at motorcycle shops, it works much easier than Mothers polish. No need for a Dremel, just polish by hand but have plenty of clean rags, the oxidation of the aluminum will turn them black. On the tail of the observation car I sealed it with clear acrylic spray, these were done at least 15 years back and still look good.
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68279 From: Timboy Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Posting Etiquette
Flyer Nation,

I may be all wrong about this and if I am then I apologize. If I correctly remember the introductory note I received when I first joined this Forum, it made mention something to the effect that we should all try to keep our postings to around about one per day. If that is true, I am a little bit guilty of breaking that "rule" on occasion. My bad. However, there are others who are extremely guilty of it. True, we all have a "delete" key and we can just ignore. But if I am right and we all did receive that message when we joined, then shame on us for not adhering to it. Either that or it should be revoked. Am I wrong?

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68280 From: Carey Probst Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
I'd more likely use a felt wheel or cloth one than a brush. I'd be
worried about scratches even with the nylon ones.

http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=66

And keep the speed low. Bench grinders are much slower than the Dremel,
by at least an order of magnitude and you don't want to generate a lot
of heat from friction.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 2/10/2012 7:08 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I don’t own a bench grinder.
>
> I do own a dremel. This could be dangerous. O!
>
> http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=64&catname=Polishing+Brushes
> <http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=64&catname=Polishing+Brushes>
>
> My knowledge on these things is limited.
>
> On the link above, do you think there is something that would work on
> this rouge.
>
> Anyone else with input?
>
> Thanks again for all the help.
>
> Mike
>
> From: john isn't eddie anymore
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 3:12 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
>
> That would be me! I use yellow jeweler's rouge, purchased in stick
> form (I don't remember where, but it was a machine-shop supplier. One
> stick lasts a lifetime.). I have a rag wheel (8") on my bench grinder,
> and the rouge is applied direct to the wheel while it is turning. -
> John Marganski
>
> ________________________________
>
> "But someone mentioned here on what to use on the non Aluminum ends to
> shine them up."
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68281 From: Dave Winslow Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
On 2/10/2012 9:08 PM, robert hendrickson wrote:
> Nobody should be blasting anyone here. If you don't agree
> with a post or poster hit the little button marked DELETE
> with resorting to name calling, nasty retorts or snarkiness.
> We're all here because of our common interest. Let's play nice.
>
> Bob

I sure agree with your "tone" Bob, but there is such a thing
as respectfully disagreeing, and it happens here all the
time. It is those who disagree with nothing more intelligent
to offer, who resort to name calling.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68282 From: Wayne Wuski Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
why do they need to be quartered any way I'm new at A.F.      wwuske@...



________________________________
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)


 
Hi Mike,
                 The reason the early steam locomotives were quartered at 90 degrees was because the factory used bushings on these.  PA9540 Small Hole. PA9541 Large Hole. There was another one which was long and went through the width of the chassis. I don't know the PA number for that.  The holes in these bushings were tight and had little or no play.  The drive axle PA10006 was tapered to keep the drive gear from slipping.   I had the PA9540 & PA9541 bushings made to be used with my quartering tool. My tool is 90 degrees. I did this because operators who run their trains a lot will have play in the chassis.  I don't know what year Gilbert ceased using the bushings and I can't find my service bulletin on the quartering, but someone at the factory must have realized that when they start drilling holes directly into the chassis without bushings that there would be more play.  I believe Gilbert made the same mistake with the
steamers as they did with the diesels.  Dave's price for quartering your steam locomotives for $10.00 is a steal considering the cost of Quartering Tools.

                                                                      Tom Seccia

________________________________
From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)


 
Keep in mind that the org setting was when the engines were new. Mike

In a message dated 2/10/2012 4:53:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
racin510@... writes:

That is interesting, Dave, but I would think AGC's techs thought they had
discouvered a more efficient location of the side rods. I wonder if we have
a mechanical engineer in our midst who might take a modern look at the
reality of their theory. I have a number of well worn SIT engines and I haven't
noticed this noise factor, which I would expect to be something of a
clatter to be noticable. I don't think that the setting could be changed just 3
deg using the origional old drivers as the pressed spline grooves would
already be set in the hub. Whenever I put a driver back on an axle it always
wants to jump in the prepressed grooves, so "Close Counts" I guess!

rick gough
SSS datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68283 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Why quarter your drivers?
Wayne and all, this comes from real steam locomotives which have their drive wheels set at 90 degrees apart rather than 180 degrees. If two steam cylinders were set exactly opposite, they would "fight" each when trying to start the engine moving. This is also why the chugging on a real engine is not a regular beat, but a "chug, chug....chug, chug..."
On live steam models quartering is just as important to operation, but on electric trains it is for other reasons. Most toy and model trains makers try to approximate the real thing, and quarter the drivers from the factory. Some "cheat" by making oblong holes in the side rods to allow some "out of quarter" movement without binding, and this is usually a sign of poor manufacturing and assembly standards.
Once a drive wheel comes loose from the axle, or you remove the wheel for some repair, you MUST get it back on the axle correctly. Being an electric train, it will run fine until you put the side rods on. Then incorrect wheel will bind the rest of the locomotive up by being out of quarter.
In fact, some diesel and electric locos can have quartering problems. These were driven by one axle and had the other wheels connected by side rods. (Gilbert didn't manufacture models of any of these, so don't get excited.)
I'm sure most of the folks on S Trains who have worked on steam locomotives (live steam or electric) will know all about this, but from time to time I suspect there are folks who would like an explanation of things the rest of us take for granted.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68284 From: Bradley Golden Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Aluminum Passenger cars
do you have pixs of your beauties



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From: Ray Puls <rpuls3@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Aluminum Passenger cars
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, February 11, 2012, 7:58 AM



 



I believe the person you are referring to is me, and as mentioned by one of the responders the polish is Simichrome polish. I am not sure of what these cast parts are made of but the Simichrome works extremely well to shine them up. It also works well on the aluminum shells. I have been able to purchase it at motorcycle shops, it works much easier than Mothers polish. No need for a Dremel, just polish by hand but have plenty of clean rags, the oxidation of the aluminum will turn them black. On the tail of the observation car I sealed it with clear acrylic spray, these were done at least 15 years back and still look good.
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68285 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: AF Aluminum Cars - Patina
Hi All,

Having dabbled in antique furniture and classic cars I've learned that removing the patina can sometimes drastically decrease the value. Are we cutting the value of our aluminun cars by buffing them to a mirror shine?

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68286 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Hi Brad,

I was getting ready to email you again today, as I told you last night.

If you have been reading the messages, as I thought you where just on the S scale list, seems that Simichrome will work. Wal Mart has it and so does Amazon.

Did you post pictures of your work so far?

Mike

From: Bradley Golden
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars


i would like to know what to use on the ends too thnks Brad

--- On Fri, 2/10/12, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 10, 2012, 5:26 PM



Hi Rich,

I did try the Maquire’s mag wheel polish on the ends but it did not do much for it, as I think this is the same stuff you used.

Okay, I will try again, as I know John and Bob mentioned something too.

Thanks again Rich.

Mike

From: Rich
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars

Mike -- I think the car ends, including the boat tail on the observation car, are cast aluminum(?), so Maquire's should work. I've been using Mother's Mag and Aluminum Polish on a couple of car ends (not the boat tail) and it seems to work ok. The problem I had is that the casting is sort of rough, so the polishing takes a lot of effort. I thought I'd try some Al buffing compound and a buffing wheel (on the ends not on the carbody) to see of that would work better.

- Rich

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> It has been mentioned here before that using Maguire's mag wheel polish works great on the AF aluminum cars and it does, as I have used it on some of these cars.
>
> But someone mentioned here on what to use on the non Aluminum ends to shine them up.
>
> If that person is still on this list could you let us know again.
>
> I have a friend not on this list cleaning his cars and I would like to clean the ends of my cars too.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
>
>
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>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68287 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Rare Monon Listings.
No Mike,

You have it wrong - at least a little bit. Our hobby is 'graying'. That
means our members are getting older. Here in Florida there are bumper
stickers that say" If you complain enough, God lets you live longer".
Put it together and we should all expect grumpitude and intolerance for
the opinions of others from our colleagues in the hobby. In the S-Gauge
community, it is even worse as the divide between the very few scalers
and the very few Flyer Folks continues to widen.

Just plan on poor manners from our colleagues and then it is not
disappointing. And that will be true even if the Monon cars are
quartered at 85 percent relative humidity.

You might consider tuning in to the Marx Trains Yahoo group. You can
ignore the 3-rail and O-Gauge nature of most of the traffic. The trains
are much the same size, the occasional Flyer reference is welcome, basic
wiring and scenery is discussed and the atmosphere is very pleasant.
They must be younger than we are, I guess. Read the posts on this list
for Stumpy's ideas, Timboy's layout progress (How did he ever finish
it?), tricks and techniques, the pictures and the links to YouTube. Let
the rest of the stuff roll of your back.

Bill (just Grumpy once in a while - more often a little bit Dopey)

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 2/10/2012 6:23 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
> Rick,
>
> I thought the anti seller stuff got old, but I NEVER would of sent someone on the list a email like yours, as now you are telling me I have tunnel vision about eBay. Good grief.
>
> I found your emails on this to me mean spirit and rude as it had nothing to do with the policies of eBay, as you are the one continuing this with your emails to the list about me.
>
> It seems that many sellers are still using eBay, and not just for trains, as I don’t EBay is going away any time soon.
>
> Those who don’t like eBay, don’t use it.
>
> Did you ever sell on eBay or are you just throwing your weight around on the subject?
>
> Who are the other ‘some” you mention. I would like to know.
>
> It seems that just about every 3 months I piss someone off about nothing, and I have someone who I thought was a friend on my case over nothing.
>
> Maybe you all should vote me on or off this island of S trains.
>
> Mike
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68288 From: David Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Any Requests?
Now that we have the new pilot trucks avaliable can anyone here come up
with another new item for the old AF steamers that will make them look &
run better. Come on let's hear it ;o)

We have been thinking about a new draw bar that more represents the
actual ones used on the real steamers as well as a "NEW BULLET SHAPED
BOILER FRONT" for the Hudsons that will help those that want to model a
DRYFUSS J3A style engine.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68289 From: Les Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: SceniKing's New Catalogues
Hi Group;

Our three new 2012 catalogues are now in print and in downloadable and printable form on our web site. The Large Scales Catalogue shows our kits purposely designed for S Scale, as well as the many others that easily support S scale.
We are proud of our relationship with S scale modellers around the world, and welcome feedback, photos and questions. Enjoy!

Les Mavor, NMRA/NFR, CARM
www.sceniking.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 68290 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Does it work on Lucky Trains?

Bill (I have some parts to make a Whirligig from a Flyer 4-4-0 and some
cabooses - I just need the time.)

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 2/10/2012 3:12 PM, john isn't eddie anymore wrote:
> That would be me! I use yellow jeweler's rouge, purchased in stick form (I don't remember where, but it was a machine-shop supplier. One stick lasts a lifetime.). I have a rag wheel (8") on my bench grinder, and the rouge is applied direct to the wheel while it is turning. - John Marganski
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68291 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Aluminum Passenger cars
Hi Ray,

Thanks, as I have been told about Simichrome yesterday off the list, so I will order it from eBay, err, Amazon. It is on ebay too, but I am fine with Amazon, as I have a few CDs I need to get, if the Simichrome is directly from Amazon.

Again thanks to all for the help.

Mike

From: Ray Puls
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:58 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Aluminum Passenger cars


I believe the person you are referring to is me, and as mentioned by one of the responders the polish is Simichrome polish. I am not sure of what these cast parts are made of but the Simichrome works extremely well to shine them up. It also works well on the aluminum shells. I have been able to purchase it at motorcycle shops, it works much easier than Mothers polish. No need for a Dremel, just polish by hand but have plenty of clean rags, the oxidation of the aluminum will turn them black. On the tail of the observation car I sealed it with clear acrylic spray, these were done at least 15 years back and still look good.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68292 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Carey,

thanks for the great information as I don’t do a lot of this type of work,

Mike

From: Carey Probst
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:18 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Aluminum Passenger Cars


I'd more likely use a felt wheel or cloth one than a brush. I'd be
worried about scratches even with the nylon ones.

http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=66

And keep the speed low. Bench grinders are much slower than the Dremel,
by at least an order of magnitude and you don't want to generate a lot
of heat from friction.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

On 2/10/2012 7:08 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I don’t own a bench grinder.
>
> I do own a dremel. This could be dangerous. O!
>
> http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=64&catname=Polishing+Brushes
> <http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=64&catname=Polishing+Brushes>
>
> My knowledge on these things is limited.
>
> On the link above, do you think there is something that would work on
> this rouge.
>
> Anyone else with input?
>
> Thanks again for all the help.
>
> Mike
>
> From: john isn't eddie anymore
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 3:12 PM
> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
>
> That would be me! I use yellow jeweler's rouge, purchased in stick
> form (I don't remember where, but it was a machine-shop supplier. One
> stick lasts a lifetime.). I have a rag wheel (8") on my bench grinder,
> and the rouge is applied direct to the wheel while it is turning. -
> John Marganski
>
> ________________________________
>
> "But someone mentioned here on what to use on the non Aluminum ends to
> shine them up."
>
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>
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>
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68293 From: Louis Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
To All,
This thread creates several interesting questions for me. If I'm understanding all this correctly, the frames with bushings were quartered at 90 degrees and the frames with non-bushed holes are quartered at 87 degrees.
I have collected several engines that the frames are badly worn. I was planning on boring them out and installing new bushings.
So if I have them bored out and install replacement bushings. Should that engine be quartered at 90 instead of 87 degrees?
I have a quartering tool that I bought from Doug Peck years ago. Doug mentions his tool is 87 degrees. Will this make a difference quartering a newly bushed frame to 87 degrees? Or should I bore out the new bushing to the factory ID that was used in the bored frames?
Last question, what is the factory ID for the bored frames and for factory bushings?
Thanks,
Lou Baldi

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>                  The reason the early steam locomotives were quartered at 90 degrees was because the factory used bushings on these.  PA9540 Small Hole. PA9541 Large Hole. There was another one which was long and went through the width of the chassis. I don't know the PA number for that.  The holes in these bushings were tight and had little or no play.  The drive axle PA10006 was tapered to keep the drive gear from slipping.   I had the PA9540 & PA9541 bushings made to be used with my quartering tool. My tool is 90 degrees. I did this because operators who run their trains a lot will have play in the chassis.  I don't know what year Gilbert ceased using the bushings and I can't find my service bulletin on the quartering, but someone at the factory must have realized that when they start drilling holes directly into the chassis without bushings that there would be more play.  I believe Gilbert made the same mistake with the
> steamers as they did with the diesels.  Dave's price for quartering your steam locomotives for $10.00 is a steal considering the cost of Quartering Tools.
>
>                                                                       Tom Seccia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
>
>
>  
> Keep in mind that the org setting was when the engines were new. Mike
>
>
> In a message dated 2/10/2012 4:53:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> racin510@... writes:
>
> That is interesting, Dave, but I would think AGC's techs thought they had
> discouvered a more efficient location of the side rods. I wonder if we have
> a mechanical engineer in our midst who might take a modern look at the
> reality of their theory. I have a number of well worn SIT engines and I haven't
> noticed this noise factor, which I would expect to be something of a
> clatter to be noticable. I don't think that the setting could be changed just 3
> deg using the origional old drivers as the pressed spline grooves would
> already be set in the hub. Whenever I put a driver back on an axle it always
> wants to jump in the prepressed grooves, so "Close Counts" I guess!
>
> rick gough
> SSS datsun
> 510 racing
>
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>
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>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68294 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer Club
� Arlington, Texas
The best answer I can give is with  Steam engines the problem lies with the linkage. If one side is not quartered right it will bind up with the other side and the engine will not move. If someone else has a better answer chime in.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert


________________________________
From: Wayne Wuski <wwuske@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:21 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)



 

why do they need to be quartered any way I'm new at A.F.      wwuske@...

________________________________
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)


 
Hi Mike,
                 The reason the early steam locomotives were quartered at 90 degrees was because the factory used bushings on these.  PA9540 Small Hole. PA9541 Large Hole. There was another one which was long and went through the width of the chassis. I don't know the PA number for that.  The holes in these bushings were tight and had little or no play.  The drive axle PA10006 was tapered to keep the drive gear from slipping.   I had the PA9540 & PA9541 bushings made to be used with my quartering tool. My tool is 90 degrees. I did this because operators who run their trains a lot will have play in the chassis.  I don't know what year Gilbert ceased using the bushings and I can't find my service bulletin on the quartering, but someone at the factory must have realized that when they start drilling holes directly into the chassis without bushings that there would be more play.  I believe Gilbert made the same mistake with the
steamers as they did with the diesels.  Dave's price for quartering your steam locomotives for $10.00 is a steal considering the cost of Quartering Tools.

                                                                      Tom Seccia

________________________________
From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)

 
Keep in mind that the org setting was when the engines were new. Mike

In a message dated 2/10/2012 4:53:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
racin510@... writes:

That is interesting, Dave, but I would think AGC's techs thought they had
discouvered a more efficient location of the side rods. I wonder if we have
a mechanical engineer in our midst who might take a modern look at the
reality of their theory. I have a number of well worn SIT engines and I haven't
noticed this noise factor, which I would expect to be something of a
clatter to be noticable. I don't think that the setting could be changed just 3
deg using the origional old drivers as the pressed spline grooves would
already be set in the hub. Whenever I put a driver back on an axle it always
wants to jump in the prepressed grooves, so "Close Counts" I guess!

rick gough
SSS datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68295 From: Carey Probst Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
A couple other thoughts that may work better.

The small size of the dremmel wheels could lead to streaking.

Harbor Freight has grinders for as little as $35 that would fit a decent
sized wheel.

Another option I have used in the past is to chuck the wheel in a
standard electric drill and lock it on slow speed and mount it in
something to hold it like a vice.

I happen to have a drill press which works great for buffing because of
the different speeds available, but then I have a lot of use for a full
sized drill press other than trains.

Finally a random orbital sander/buffer like used on cars would probably
work very well. They are designed not to damage paint.

Good luck, just test on something that isn't too valuable just in case.

Next time you do a trail in Wellsboro area you are welcome to stop by
and use my drill press. Just warn me ahead of time so I can free an
area around it. Have it stored in the garage storage (no cars, just
stuff) until we find a bigger house.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 2/11/2012 10:46 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> Carey,
>
> thanks for the great information as I don’t do a lot of this type of
> work,
>
> Mike
>
> From: Carey Probst
> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:18 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
>
> I'd more likely use a felt wheel or cloth one than a brush. I'd be
> worried about scratches even with the nylon ones.
>
> http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=66
>
> And keep the speed low. Bench grinders are much slower than the Dremel,
> by at least an order of magnitude and you don't want to generate a lot
> of heat from friction.
>
> Carey
>
> Carey Probst
>
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
>
> S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
>
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
>
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>
> On 2/10/2012 7:08 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I don’t own a bench grinder.
> >
> > I do own a dremel. This could be dangerous. O!
> >
> >
> http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=64&catname=Polishing+Brushes
> <http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=64&catname=Polishing+Brushes>
>
> >
> <http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=64&catname=Polishing+Brushes
> <http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=64&catname=Polishing+Brushes>>
> >
> > My knowledge on these things is limited.
> >
> > On the link above, do you think there is something that would work on
> > this rouge.
> >
> > Anyone else with input?
> >
> > Thanks again for all the help.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > From: john isn't eddie anymore
> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 3:12 PM
> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
> >
> > That would be me! I use yellow jeweler's rouge, purchased in stick
> > form (I don't remember where, but it was a machine-shop supplier. One
> > stick lasts a lifetime.). I have a rag wheel (8") on my bench grinder,
> > and the rouge is applied direct to the wheel while it is turning. -
> > John Marganski
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > "But someone mentioned here on what to use on the non Aluminum ends to
> > shine them up."
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68296 From: Al Baker Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Why quarter your drivers?
I fully understand why the real steam locomotives must be quartered. No argument there.

But, why do model trains such as our typical "S" locos need to be quartered? As long as the drivers on each side are alligned with the other drivers on that side, it should not make any difference how they are alligned with respect to one side to the other. Yes, you may want to have them quartered like the real ones just to be correct prototypically. But I ask you, how many visitors have you had that studied your locomotives on both sides to check them for exact quartering??? How many times have you done it when you visited others? The model locomotive doesn't care, the side rods are just moving around there to just look good, they don't propel the locomotive. The rods on one side don't care what the otherside is doing.

I suppose if you put both sides exactly together, then there may be some problem with surging due to the increased side rod friction being in phase. But otherwise, I maintain any offset would work mechanically as long as all the drivers on each side are together.

Al




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Wayne and all, this comes from real steam locomotives which have their drive wheels set at 90 degrees apart rather than 180 degrees. If two steam cylinders were set exactly opposite, they would "fight" each when trying to start the engine moving. This is also why the chugging on a real engine is not a regular beat, but a "chug, chug....chug, chug..."
> On live steam models quartering is just as important to operation, but on electric trains it is for other reasons. Most toy and model trains makers try to approximate the real thing, and quarter the drivers from the factory. Some "cheat" by making oblong holes in the side rods to allow some "out of quarter" movement without binding, and this is usually a sign of poor manufacturing and assembly standards.
> Once a drive wheel comes loose from the axle, or you remove the wheel for some repair, you MUST get it back on the axle correctly. Being an electric train, it will run fine until you put the side rods on. Then incorrect wheel will bind the rest of the locomotive up by being out of quarter.
> In fact, some diesel and electric locos can have quartering problems. These were driven by one axle and had the other wheels connected by side rods. (Gilbert didn't manufacture models of any of these, so don't get excited.)
> I'm sure most of the folks on S Trains who have worked on steam locomotives (live steam or electric) will know all about this, but from time to time I suspect there are folks who would like an explanation of things the rest of us take for granted.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68297 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Cars - Patina
Thanks David, as the cars I am cleaning have no collectable value.

And no one should never clean a collectable car, with a chemical. Sure water maybe.

I am not sure about a bit of dish detergent on a collectable.

Mike

From: bull_gator_1
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 11:37 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Aluminum Cars - Patina


Hi All,

Having dabbled in antique furniture and classic cars I've learned that removing the patina can sometimes drastically decrease the value. Are we cutting the value of our aluminun cars by buffing them to a mirror shine?

David





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68298 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Why quarter your drivers?
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Baker
. . . . . . why do model trains such as our typical "S" locos need to be
quartered? . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > >
American Models steam locos probably don't need any specific angle between
the crank pins, one side to the other, because the driving wheels are
internally connected by gears. Whatever the angle is just has to be the
same on all driving wheelsets.

But this is not true of American Flyer steam locos. They have one driving
axle powered by a worm on the motor shaft and a worm-gear on that one axle.
The other driving wheels receive their power strictly thru the side rods.
And when one side is at its top dead center, the other side has to be
somewhere near 90° different in order for force to be transmitted.

I asked a friend who knows our exPM loco 1225 (now undergoing extensive
work) about quartering that particular loco. He said "I believe the reason
for quartering at a few degrees off of 90 is to prevent the cylinders from
locking up at a dead stop. On electric trains it doesn't matter. 1225's
drivers have never been removed since new. The flanges were turned down
about 12 years ago but that was done with all drivers still on the loco."

Incidentally, we were amused to read about quartering at 87 percent, and
most of us knew what was meant. But you can make a degree symbol - ° - in
most e-mail and word-processing programs by holding down the alt key while
typing 0176 on your numbers pad.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 68299 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Why quarter your drivers?
From: Alan Lambert
�Lone Star Flyer Club
�Arlington, Texas
Like I said before, to keep the side rods from binding and getting bent out uf shape to the point the the loco will not move. Some side rods are finiky about getting in a bind.
� Thanks,
Alan


________________________________
From: Al Baker <albaker33@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 1:12 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Why quarter your drivers?



 

I fully understand why the real steam locomotives must be quartered. No argument there.

But, why do model trains such as our typical "S" locos need to be quartered? As long as the drivers on each side are alligned with the other drivers on that side, it should not make any difference how they are alligned with respect to one side to the other. Yes, you may want to have them quartered like the real ones just to be correct prototypically. But I ask you, how many visitors have you had that studied your locomotives on both sides to check them for exact quartering??? How many times have you done it when you visited others? The model locomotive doesn't care, the side rods are just moving around there to just look good, they don't propel the locomotive. The rods on one side don't care what the otherside is doing.

I suppose if you put both sides exactly together, then there may be some problem with surging due to the increased side rod friction being in phase. But otherwise, I maintain any offset would work mechanically as long as all the drivers on each side are together.

Al

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Wayne and all, this comes from real steam locomotives which have their drive wheels set at 90 degrees apart rather than 180 degrees. If two steam cylinders were set exactly opposite, they would "fight" each when trying to start the engine moving. This is also why the chugging on a real engine is not a regular beat, but a "chug, chug....chug, chug..."
> On live steam models quartering is just as important to operation, but on electric trains it is for other reasons. Most toy and model trains makers try to approximate the real thing, and quarter the drivers from the factory. Some "cheat" by making oblong holes in the side rods to allow some "out of quarter" movement without binding, and this is usually a sign of poor manufacturing and assembly standards.
> Once a drive wheel comes loose from the axle, or you remove the wheel for some repair, you MUST get it back on the axle correctly. Being an electric train, it will run fine until you put the side rods on. Then incorrect wheel will bind the rest of the locomotive up by being out of quarter.
> In fact, some diesel and electric locos can have quartering problems. These were driven by one axle and had the other wheels connected by side rods. (Gilbert didn't manufacture models of any of these, so don't get excited.)
> I'm sure most of the folks on S Trains who have worked on steam locomotives (live steam or electric) will know all about this, but from time to time I suspect there are folks who would like an explanation of things the rest of us take for granted.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68300 From: Al Baker Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Why quarter your drivers?
Ok, the light bulb has been turned ON !! Why didn't I think of that?

Thanks Tom! Dumby me for not realizing, yes, we ARE driving the other wheels. Let me see if I have an excuse - how about that I was educated as an electrical engineer, not a mechanical engineer??? Does that work? (hope so...)

I'll try to think twice before posting dumb things next time...

Thanks again Tom,
Al Baker



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Al Baker
> . . . . . . why do model trains such as our typical "S" locos need to be
> quartered? . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > >
> American Models steam locos probably don't need any specific angle between
> the crank pins, one side to the other, because the driving wheels are
> internally connected by gears. Whatever the angle is just has to be the
> same on all driving wheelsets.
>
> But this is not true of American Flyer steam locos. They have one driving
> axle powered by a worm on the motor shaft and a worm-gear on that one axle.
> The other driving wheels receive their power strictly thru the side rods.
> And when one side is at its top dead center, the other side has to be
> somewhere near 90° different in order for force to be transmitted.
>
> I asked a friend who knows our exPM loco 1225 (now undergoing extensive
> work) about quartering that particular loco. He said "I believe the reason
> for quartering at a few degrees off of 90 is to prevent the cylinders from
> locking up at a dead stop. On electric trains it doesn't matter. 1225's
> drivers have never been removed since new. The flanges were turned down
> about 12 years ago but that was done with all drivers still on the loco."
>
> Incidentally, we were amused to read about quartering at 87 percent, and
> most of us knew what was meant. But you can make a degree symbol - ° - in
> most e-mail and word-processing programs by holding down the alt key while
> typing 0176 on your numbers pad.
>
> Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68301 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Why quarter your drivers?
Well lets see here, THEY DID IT AT THE FACTORY, so it seems to me it might
have merit to do it....Just a guess, Mike in Or


In a message dated 2/11/2012 12:48:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
alanlambert64@... writes:




From: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas
Like I said before, to keep the side rods from binding and getting bent
out uf shape to the point the the loco will not move. Some side rods are
finiky about getting in a bind.
Thanks,
Alan


________________________________
From: Al Baker <_albaker33@..._ (mailto:albaker33@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 1:12 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Why quarter your drivers?




I fully understand why the real steam locomotives must be quartered. No
argument there.

But, why do model trains such as our typical "S" locos need to be
quartered? As long as the drivers on each side are alligned with the other drivers
on that side, it should not make any difference how they are alligned with
respect to one side to the other. Yes, you may want to have them quartered
like the real ones just to be correct prototypically. But I ask you, how
many visitors have you had that studied your locomotives on both sides to
check them for exact quartering??? How many times have you done it when you
visited others? The model locomotive doesn't care, the side rods are just
moving around there to just look good, they don't propel the locomotive. The
rods on one side don't care what the otherside is doing.

I suppose if you put both sides exactly together, then there may be some
problem with surging due to the increased side rod friction being in phase.
But otherwise, I maintain any offset would work mechanically as long as all
the drivers on each side are together.

Al

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
"mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Wayne and all, this comes from real steam locomotives which have their
drive wheels set at 90 degrees apart rather than 180 degrees. If two steam
cylinders were set exactly opposite, they would "fight" each when trying to
start the engine moving. This is also why the chugging on a real engine is
not a regular beat, but a "chug, chug....chug, chug..."
> On live steam models quartering is just as important to operation, but
on electric trains it is for other reasons. Most toy and model trains makers
try to approximate the real thing, and quarter the drivers from the
factory. Some "cheat" by making oblong holes in the side rods to allow some "out
of quarter" movement without binding, and this is usually a sign of poor
manufacturing and assembly standards.
> Once a drive wheel comes loose from the axle, or you remove the wheel
for some repair, you MUST get it back on the axle correctly. Being an
electric train, it will run fine until you put the side rods on. Then incorrect
wheel will bind the rest of the locomotive up by being out of quarter.
> In fact, some diesel and electric locos can have quartering problems.
These were driven by one axle and had the other wheels connected by side
rods. (Gilbert didn't manufacture models of any of these, so don't get excited.)
> I'm sure most of the folks on S Trains who have worked on steam
locomotives (live steam or electric) will know all about this, but from time to
time I suspect there are folks who would like an explanation of things the
rest of us take for granted.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68302 From: rick gough Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
To me the brass bushings vanished with the SIT era of '46 &'47. Then the chassis just got bored for the axle for the sake of cheapness. The tech bulleton someone put up said that ACG engineers came up with the 87deg idea in '55, certainly far after brass bushings vanished. My feeling is that their people discouvered that real steamers were done at 87deg and they decided to do the same in the name of scale accuracy, with little or no toy train science involved. Look at that driver and visualize 3deg and tell me how much rolling distance that is ... I think it's miniscule and irrelavant to toy train performance.
I do think that quartering is critical to keeping the front drivers in proper rhythm. But no body responded to my question of how a driver hub already pressed onto the axle at 90deg could possibly be repressed on at 87deg. Spline grooves are already cut and any jump from one to the next is going to be a big jump of maybe up around 10deg. You would have to use new hubs to accomplish this modification; not worth it to my thinking.  
rick gough
SSS datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68303 From: stevew970 Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Any Requests?
How about spoked drivers? I mean thin spokes with actual spaces between them. To make them right, you would have to do away with the insulators so the spokes could go closer to the tires. This means either thinner insulators or make the wheels out of plastic. Whichever way is easier. My 21130 has plastic wheels, no insulators, and a bigger tire, but I think plastic wheels with the 3-digit type tires would work better for this.

To my eye this would make a big improvement on the looks of the Atlantics, Pacifics, and Hudsons (unless you want a Hudson with Scullin drivers). I think the UP Northerns didn't have spoked wheels.

Plus this would give us all a chance to hone our quartering skills and see for ourselves if 90 degrees or 87 degrees works better. (I tried alt 0176 without success).

Steve Wolcott

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> Now that we have the new pilot trucks avaliable can anyone here come up
> with another new item for the old AF steamers that will make them look &
> run better. Come on let's hear it ;o)
>
> We have been thinking about a new draw bar that more represents the
> actual ones used on the real steamers as well as a "NEW BULLET SHAPED
> BOILER FRONT" for the Hudsons that will help those that want to model a
> DRYFUSS J3A style engine.
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
> 502-292-1872
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68305 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Speaking of Ebay
Since there has been a lot of talk about eBay the last couple of month’s you would never who I just emailed due to poor customer service at HP.

Meg Whitman, who founded eBay, as you would not believe the 3 hour run around I got on a warranty issue over a 30 dollar HP keyboard. From India back to the US, when the Tec said okay we need to send you a new keyboard back to India where the lady hung up on me after she said my serial number was not right and it was. Linda confirmed it was. Then called again, got India, they wanted my receipt from Amazon which I emailed them to the address they gave me, the email did not come back, as he waited, and then sent me somewhere else to the US got someone who had nothing to do with consumers, but businesses as he put me on hold for someone else as I waited on hold for 15 minutes.

So I gave up.

So I went to HP website and got her to send comments. Not that she is going to read but some lower peon, but I thought it was funny that I would be trying to email the founder of EBay in light of eBay and all the train stuff going on here. And I thought customer service at Lionel was awful. HP takes the cake. Oh, HP is a Dow Jones 30 stock and they are down for the year, 41%. I can see why.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68306 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
I suspect I know why the factory came up with the 87 degrees for quartering. I bought a beautiful multi-cast 302 (cheap) from a Lionel guy who got it in a batch of stuff he acquired (remember those days?). It acquired the nasty habit of bending side rods after running awhile. I think the factory was getting complaints about this phenomenon, and came up with the 87 degrees. Don't forget, the multi-cast 302s came out before 1955. THAT one will be sent to be re-quartered!

Steve

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To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: QUARTER Your AF Drivers (Advertisement)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:42:21 -0800 (PST)



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68307 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ebay
I am so sorry, I did not proof read the email that came on the list, as I made the corrections.

Mike



From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:04 PM
To: S Trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Speaking of Ebay


Since there has been a lot of talk about eBay the last couple of month’s you would never know who I just emailed due to poor customer service at HP.

Meg Whitman, who founded eBay, as you would not believe the 3 hour run around I got on a warranty issue over a 30 dollar HP keyboard. From India back to the US, when the Tec said okay we need to send you a new keyboard back to India where the lady hung up on me after she said my serial number was not right and it was. Linda confirmed it was. Then called again, got India, they wanted my receipt from Amazon which I emailed them to the address they gave me, the email did not come back to me, as he waited fir it to come, and then he sent me somewhere else to the US as I got someone who had nothing to do with consumers, but businesses as he put me on hold for someone else as I waited on hold for 15 minutes.

So I gave up.

So I went to the HP website and got her link to send comments. Not that she is going to read the email but some lower peon will, but I thought it was funny that I would be trying to email the founder of EBay in light of eBay and all the train stuff going on here. And I thought customer service at Lionel was awful. HP takes the cake. Oh, HP is a Dow Jones 30 stock and they are down for the year, 41%. I can see why.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68308 From: Bradley Golden Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Mike here ia a pix of my train set i won on ebay actually i used the buy it now and i got it for 350.00 plus shipping... It will be arriving earlly next week ...... I am excited to receive it.... I wil send  pixs of it as soon as i get it and could you please make me a folder and post it for me... I really would appreceate if you could do that for me and i will send pix to put in the  folder thnks so much for the help MIke ,,,,,, Brad



--- On Sat, 2/11/12, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 11, 2012, 10:27 AM



 



Hi Brad,

I was getting ready to email you again today, as I told you last night.

If you have been reading the messages, as I thought you where just on the S scale list, seems that Simichrome will work. Wal Mart has it and so does Amazon.

Did you post pictures of your work so far?

Mike

From: Bradley Golden
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars

i would like to know what to use on the ends too thnks Brad

--- On Fri, 2/10/12, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 10, 2012, 5:26 PM

Hi Rich,

I did try the Maquire’s mag wheel polish on the ends but it did not do much for it, as I think this is the same stuff you used.

Okay, I will try again, as I know John and Bob mentioned something too.

Thanks again Rich.

Mike

From: Rich
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars

Mike -- I think the car ends, including the boat tail on the observation car, are cast aluminum(?), so Maquire's should work. I've been using Mother's Mag and Aluminum Polish on a couple of car ends (not the boat tail) and it seems to work ok. The problem I had is that the casting is sort of rough, so the polishing takes a lot of effort. I thought I'd try some Al buffing compound and a buffing wheel (on the ends not on the carbody) to see of that would work better.

- Rich

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> It has been mentioned here before that using Maguire's mag wheel polish works great on the AF aluminum cars and it does, as I have used it on some of these cars.
>
> But someone mentioned here on what to use on the non Aluminum ends to shine them up.
>
> If that person is still on this list could you let us know again.
>
> I have a friend not on this list cleaning his cars and I would like to clean the ends of my cars too.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
>
>
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>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68309 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Hi Brad,

That sounds great, but you sent the email to the list, as picture attachments will not come through.

Send me the picture to my email address and I will make you a folder for the picture.

Glad to be of help with the passenger cars and the picture folder. I will add the other pictures when you get them, as it is really easy to do, but I will do it for you.

If you are getting back into S or just starting, congratulations, it is a fun hobby and scale.

Mike

From: Bradley Golden
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:15 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars


Mike here ia a pix of my train set i won on ebay actually i used the buy it now and i got it for 350.00 plus shipping... It will be arriving earlly next week ...... I am excited to receive it.... I wil send pixs of it as soon as i get it and could you please make me a folder and post it for me... I really would appreceate if you could do that for me and i will send pix to put in the folder thnks so much for the help MIke ,,,,,, Brad

--- On Sat, 2/11/12, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 11, 2012, 10:27 AM



Hi Brad,

I was getting ready to email you again today, as I told you last night.

If you have been reading the messages, as I thought you where just on the S scale list, seems that Simichrome will work. Wal Mart has it and so does Amazon.

Did you post pictures of your work so far?

Mike

From: Bradley Golden
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:26 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars

i would like to know what to use on the ends too thnks Brad

--- On Fri, 2/10/12, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 10, 2012, 5:26 PM

Hi Rich,

I did try the Maquire’s mag wheel polish on the ends but it did not do much for it, as I think this is the same stuff you used.

Okay, I will try again, as I know John and Bob mentioned something too.

Thanks again Rich.

Mike

From: Rich
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:52 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars

Mike -- I think the car ends, including the boat tail on the observation car, are cast aluminum(?), so Maquire's should work. I've been using Mother's Mag and Aluminum Polish on a couple of car ends (not the boat tail) and it seems to work ok. The problem I had is that the casting is sort of rough, so the polishing takes a lot of effort. I thought I'd try some Al buffing compound and a buffing wheel (on the ends not on the carbody) to see of that would work better.

- Rich

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> It has been mentioned here before that using Maguire's mag wheel polish works great on the AF aluminum cars and it does, as I have used it on some of these cars.
>
> But someone mentioned here on what to use on the non Aluminum ends to shine them up.
>
> If that person is still on this list could you let us know again.
>
> I have a friend not on this list cleaning his cars and I would like to clean the ends of my cars too.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
>
>
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>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68310 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ebay
and he notes -

Your post is confusing. I've been on eBay for
fourteen years and if I'm not mistaken Pierre
Omydar was the founder, not Meg Whitman. In all
those years I've never had a problem
communicating with customer service nor have I
been ignored or put on hold for more than a couple minutes.

What does Amazon or HP have to do with it?

BTW unless keyboards have gold keys most can be
bought at Staples for less than $30.00.

Raleigh in NO Snoweigh Maineigh!...


At 08:04 PM 2/11/2012, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
>
>Since there has been a lot of talk about eBay
>the last couple of month’s you would never who
>I just emailed due to poor customer service at HP.
>
>Meg Whitman, who founded eBay, as you would not
>believe the 3 hour run around I got on a
>warranty issue over a 30 dollar HP keyboard.
> From India back to the US, when the Tec said
>okay we need to send you a new keyboard back to
>India where the lady hung up on me after she
>said my serial number was not right and it was.
>Linda confirmed it was. Then called again, got
>India, they wanted my receipt from Amazon which
>I emailed them to the address they gave me, the
>email did not come back, as he waited, and then
>sent me somewhere else to the US got someone who
>had nothing to do with consumers, but businesses
>as he put me on hold for someone else as I waited on hold for 15 minutes.
>
>So I gave up.
>
>So I went to HP website and got her to send
>comments. Not that she is going to read but some
>lower peon, but I thought it was funny that I
>would be trying to email the founder of EBay in
>light of eBay and all the train stuff going on
>here. And I thought customer service at Lionel
>was awful. HP takes the cake. Oh, HP is a Dow
>Jones 30 stock and they are down for the year, 41%. I can see why.
>
>Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 68311 From: John Metzger Date: 2/11/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
I'd use Pledge Kitchen appliance cleaner. Comes in a bottle, found in the grocery store, rubbed on with a cloth, dries, then whipped off with a soft cloth. I've done 8 aluminum cars in the late 1990's and they still look good and shiney. None of the lettering was disturbed and finger prints just wipe off the aluminum. From John Metzger an AFSGSLA member.


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Aluminum Passenger Cars


 
Carey,

thanks for the great information as I don’t do a lot of this type of work,

Mike

From: Carey Probst
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:18 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Aluminum Passenger Cars

I'd more likely use a felt wheel or cloth one than a brush. I'd be
worried about scratches even with the nylon ones.

http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=66

And keep the speed low. Bench grinders are much slower than the Dremel,
by at least an order of magnitude and you don't want to generate a lot
of heat from friction.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

On 2/10/2012 7:08 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I don’t own a bench grinder.
>
> I do own a dremel. This could be dangerous. O!
>
> http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=64&catname=Polishing+Brushes
> <http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=64&catname=Polishing+Brushes>
>
> My knowledge on these things is limited.
>
> On the link above, do you think there is something that would work on
> this rouge.
>
> Anyone else with input?
>
> Thanks again for all the help.
>
> Mike
>
> From: john isn't eddie anymore
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 3:12 PM
> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
>
> That would be me! I use yellow jeweler's rouge, purchased in stick
> form (I don't remember where, but it was a machine-shop supplier. One
> stick lasts a lifetime.). I have a rag wheel (8") on my bench grinder,
> and the rouge is applied direct to the wheel while it is turning. -
> John Marganski
>
> ________________________________
>
> "But someone mentioned here on what to use on the non Aluminum ends to
> shine them up."
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68312 From: Neil Trump Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Lionel fasTrack switches and transitional pieces
FYI

Not sure if I am coming in late to this, but I spotted at this website www.wholesaletrains.com/QuickShip.asp?Scale=S&Item=MDKTK a listing for left/right switches and a transition piece to mate up to Flyer track.

I guess the switches are same spec as original Flyer switches, which is a shame as it doesn't resolve the need for a 27" radius and greater requirement, perhaps they will offer these at a later date.

Regards,

Neil
.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68313 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Aluminum Passenger cars
I don't have any pics of them at present but will try to make time to take some. My cars were actually a basket case when I got them. They came with a 364, a 15B, some switches and track, all in one bag. This was the first diesel set that I owned. The engine needed rewiring and everything in the bag was a mess. The cars were pretty scratched up and really dull but this is a labor of love so a lot of TLC went into the set. My trains pretty much are in the played with condition that they were when acquired other than cleaning. The polish I mentioned will not take out the scratches but does a super job of shinning them up.
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68314 From: Chris Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Posting Etiquette
As a very occasional contributor I think it needs a little clarification. One new thread by all means, but often more than one post may warrant or beg for a response. You cannot realistically respond to say three interesting but varied threads in a single posting, or it would be very confusing if you did ! This is a very active group, keep to a minimum by all means but a fixed one posting per day will not really work.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68315 From: Timboy Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Posting Etiquette
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <cforster@...> wrote:
>
> As a very occasional contributor I think it needs a little clarification. One new thread by all means, but often more than one post may warrant or beg for a response. You cannot realistically respond to say three interesting but varied threads in a single posting, or it would be very confusing if you did ! This is a very active group, keep to a minimum by all means but a fixed one posting per day will not really work.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Chris,

I completely agree with the way you sweetened up my argument. Thank you. Yes, there are those times when multiple and diverse threads beg separate answers and a running dialog on a truly interesting topic is not only acceptable - it's desirable. I certainly don't mean to stifle creativity on this Forum. But, Flyer Nation - do we really want for some of us to reduce this Forum to the S-Spam Forum? Neither do I. That's all I have to say today. Thanks again for your clarity, Chris.

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68316 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Aluminum Passenger cars
Wanna take out those scratches? Get some 1000 grit, then 2000 grit sandpaper and use those on the scratches. Then, polish with the Simichrome polish. I found the 1000/2000 grit sandpaper in Wal-mart in the automotive section. I'm sure you can also find them at an auto supply store that specializes in automotive finishing.

Steve

Please note: message attached

From: Ray Puls <rpuls3@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Aluminum Passenger cars
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 04:02:48 -0800 (PST)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68317 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
John,

Again thanks for that great idea, as all of who responded had great suggestions and I appreciated it.

Mike

From: John Metzger
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 11:10 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Aluminum Passenger Cars


I'd use Pledge Kitchen appliance cleaner. Comes in a bottle, found in the grocery store, rubbed on with a cloth, dries, then whipped off with a soft cloth. I've done 8 aluminum cars in the late 1990's and they still look good and shiney. None of the lettering was disturbed and finger prints just wipe off the aluminum. From John Metzger an AFSGSLA member.

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Aluminum Passenger Cars


Carey,

thanks for the great information as I don’t do a lot of this type of work,

Mike

From: Carey Probst
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:18 AM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Aluminum Passenger Cars

I'd more likely use a felt wheel or cloth one than a brush. I'd be
worried about scratches even with the nylon ones.

http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=66

And keep the speed low. Bench grinders are much slower than the Dremel,
by at least an order of magnitude and you don't want to generate a lot
of heat from friction.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

On 2/10/2012 7:08 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I don’t own a bench grinder.
>
> I do own a dremel. This could be dangerous. O!
>
> http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=64&catname=Polishing+Brushes
> <http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=64&catname=Polishing+Brushes>
>
> My knowledge on these things is limited.
>
> On the link above, do you think there is something that would work on
> this rouge.
>
> Anyone else with input?
>
> Thanks again for all the help.
>
> Mike
>
> From: john isn't eddie anymore
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 3:12 PM
> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
>
> That would be me! I use yellow jeweler's rouge, purchased in stick
> form (I don't remember where, but it was a machine-shop supplier. One
> stick lasts a lifetime.). I have a rag wheel (8") on my bench grinder,
> and the rouge is applied direct to the wheel while it is turning. -
> John Marganski
>
> ________________________________
>
> "But someone mentioned here on what to use on the non Aluminum ends to
> shine them up."
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68318 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ebay
My bad,

Sorry, just the Meg Whitman tied in to ebay and the train stuff talk about ebay.

Like a math problem of circles with unions.

Thought the tie in no matter if Meg Whitman was not the founder, but I know she was then a high officer of Ebay, and trains on ebay was funny that I sent her a “email”

Sorry just delete next time.

Meant no harm, again.

Mike



From: Rollain Mercier
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 10:20 PM
To: S-Trains@... ; S Trains
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Speaking of Ebay


and he notes -

Your post is confusing. I've been on eBay for
fourteen years and if I'm not mistaken Pierre
Omydar was the founder, not Meg Whitman. In all
those years I've never had a problem
communicating with customer service nor have I
been ignored or put on hold for more than a couple minutes.

What does Amazon or HP have to do with it?

BTW unless keyboards have gold keys most can be
bought at Staples for less than $30.00.

Raleigh in NO Snoweigh Maineigh!...

At 08:04 PM 2/11/2012, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
>
>Since there has been a lot of talk about eBay
>the last couple of month’s you would never who
>I just emailed due to poor customer service at HP.
>
>Meg Whitman, who founded eBay, as you would not
>believe the 3 hour run around I got on a
>warranty issue over a 30 dollar HP keyboard.
> From India back to the US, when the Tec said
>okay we need to send you a new keyboard back to
>India where the lady hung up on me after she
>said my serial number was not right and it was.
>Linda confirmed it was. Then called again, got
>India, they wanted my receipt from Amazon which
>I emailed them to the address they gave me, the
>email did not come back, as he waited, and then
>sent me somewhere else to the US got someone who
>had nothing to do with consumers, but businesses
>as he put me on hold for someone else as I waited on hold for 15 minutes.
>
>So I gave up.
>
>So I went to HP website and got her to send
>comments. Not that she is going to read but some
>lower peon, but I thought it was funny that I
>would be trying to email the founder of EBay in
>light of eBay and all the train stuff going on
>here. And I thought customer service at Lionel
>was awful. HP takes the cake. Oh, HP is a Dow
>Jones 30 stock and they are down for the year, 41%. I can see why.
>
>Mike





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68319 From: David Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: "DROP COUPLER PILOT ASSEMBLY" (Advertisement)
Thank you Al Baker for your idea about producing a glue on "DROP COUPLER
PILOT ASSEMBLY" for the ATLANTIC & PACIFIC engines. We have started on
this item and should have it at our web site by mid March. This should
be a real hit with the bashers as it will totally change the apperance
of these engines.

Thanks again Al.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872
Group: S-Trains Message: 68320 From: Al Baker Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: "DROP COUPLER PILOT ASSEMBLY" (Advertisement)
I haven't tried to look at it or think about it, but hopefully it can be used on other Flyer locos too. But I understand making one to use on all locos may not be possible...
Thanks,
Al


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Al Baker for your idea about producing a glue on "DROP COUPLER
> PILOT ASSEMBLY" for the ATLANTIC & PACIFIC engines. We have started on
> this item and should have it at our web site by mid March. This should
> be a real hit with the bashers as it will totally change the apperance
> of these engines.
>
> Thanks again Al.
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
> 502-292-1872
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68321 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: AF Aluminum Passenger Cars
Hi all:
I thought that the list (monitors) was (were) allowing pics to go
through. I note that we aren't getting pictures anymore. Was it on a
trial basis, or was it on the S-scale list???
slightly confused after going through 600 emails that accumulated while
I was in the States.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
>
> Hi Brad,
>
> That sounds great, but you sent the email to the list, as picture
> attachments will not come through.
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68322 From: wd511@att.net Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: turnouts
Has anyone considered manufacturing new Flyer turnouts that look like the originals but have new modern internal parts? The advantages would be that they would mate with original Flyer track without the need for adaptors and they would blend in with Flyer track.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68323 From: Neil Trump Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: turnouts
Why would you want to re-manufacture a clone of the original Flyer turnout with so called modern parts? What do you consider to be new modern parts that are a step change improvement on the original unit?

There are tons of original turnouts out there and if they are maintained correctly they function well.

Now what would be an interesting project is for someone to make a 27" radius turnout in the original style etc.

Regards,

Neil

.




On 12 Feb 2012, at 18:52, "wd511@..." <wd511@...> wrote:

> Has anyone considered manufacturing new Flyer turnouts that look like the originals but have new modern internal parts? The advantages would be that they would mate with original Flyer track without the need for adaptors and they would blend in with Flyer track.
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68324 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: turnouts
You may want to consider Gargrave Switches. These will mate exactly with American Flyer track.  I believe Doug at Port Lines handles these.
� Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: "wd511@..." <wd511@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:52 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] turnouts


 
Has anyone considered manufacturing new Flyer turnouts that look like the originals but have new modern internal parts? The advantages would be that they would mate with original Flyer track without the need for adaptors and they would blend in with Flyer track.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68325 From: Rich Falzini Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: New Turn Outs
What I would like to see is a flyer - styled wye turnout.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68326 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Krispy Kreme Flat Car - Photos Posted
Hi All,

I've finished my Krispy Kreme flat car knockoff. I used two Lledo Krispy Kreme cars I won on eBay and an American Models 46' flatcar I bought yesterday at the Great Train Expo in Houston. Total cost for my Krispy Kreme flat including shipipng & handling is: KK car #1 = $11.11, KK car #2 = $12.00, American Models 46' flat car = $26.00 for a total $49.11. Not bad for a couple of weeks shopping effort.

You can view nine photos of the finished product starting here:

http://tinyurl.com/7hxvnc2

So everyone start trolling for parts and build your own!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68327 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/12/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday February 12, 2012
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68328 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Brad's train set
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1745269067/pic/list

Brad wanted me to post a picture of his American Flyer train set he just got.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68329 From: Brady Burdge Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Brad's train set
Very nice!


Brady


On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:50:16 -0500
"Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1745269067/pic/list
>
> Brad wanted me to post a picture of his American Flyer train set he
> just got.
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68330 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme Flat Car - Photos Posted
Excellent!

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 2/12/2012 5:23 PM, bull_gator_1 wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I've finished my Krispy Kreme flat car knockoff. I used two Lledo Krispy Kreme cars I won on eBay and an American Models 46' flatcar I bought yesterday at the Great Train Expo in Houston. Total cost for my Krispy Kreme flat including shipipng& handling is: KK car #1 = $11.11, KK car #2 = $12.00, American Models 46' flat car = $26.00 for a total $49.11. Not bad for a couple of weeks shopping effort.
>
> You can view nine photos of the finished product starting here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7hxvnc2
>
> So everyone start trolling for parts and build your own!
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68331 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: EBay Item
On eBay this week, was a real nice set of Seaboard Baldwin's, boxed, in LN condition, runs nice, and no screw hole cracks.

I figured, if I bid 1327.00 I would have a good shot. A little high, yes, but I figure it would go for less.

Um, nope, lost out to 1352.00.

So EBay is not so cheap after all and the buyer is happy and the seller is very happy, 1352 minus 9% is 1230. I think the seller did better here than at York and 9% on postage at 9.10? Did you think he really cares? So he made 1229 before Pay Pal fees.

As Bob Tufts told me another one will come along and it will whether here or at York.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68332 From: Bradley Golden Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Brad's train set
thnk you so much .. I really appreciate all the input.. Your all such a buch of great men and woman . Thnks Again.. Very new to flyer.. I have been o gauge for 20 yrs and it is so out of scale..... I cant wait to get it early next week .. My set i mean thnks again Brad



--- On Sun, 2/12/12, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:


From: Brady Burdge <brady@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Brad's train set
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 12, 2012, 6:08 PM



 



Very nice!

Brady

On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:50:16 -0500
"Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1745269067/pic/list
>
> Brad wanted me to post a picture of his American Flyer train set he
> just got.
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>








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Group: S-Trains Message: 68333 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Brad's train set
Brad,

You are welcome, as the cars look great.

I would not polish them, as that will hurt the collectable value.

Run them with care.

I don’t think you need to polish them, again.

Just wipe then down with a soft cloth from time to time.

S is a nice size.

Mike

From: Bradley Golden
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:17 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Brad's train set


thnk you so much .. I really appreciate all the input.. Your all such a buch of great men and woman . Thnks Again.. Very new to flyer.. I have been o gauge for 20 yrs and it is so out of scale..... I cant wait to get it early next week .. My set i mean thnks again Brad

--- On Sun, 2/12/12, Brady Burdge <mailto:brady%40americanflyerlines.net> wrote:

From: Brady Burdge <mailto:brady%40americanflyerlines.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Brad's train set
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 12, 2012, 6:08 PM



Very nice!

Brady

On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:50:16 -0500
"Michael & Linda Marmer" <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1745269067/pic/list
>
> Brad wanted me to post a picture of his American Flyer train set he
> just got.
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68334 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Brad's set
Brad’s tell me the set he is getting this week has a 312 engine with the Aluminum passenger cars.

I do not see this as a catalog set. I see lots of set with freight cars with a 312 but no passenger cars.

Any clues to a set number, as the new TM book does not have uncatalog sets in it.

thanks

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68335 From: charlie and edith Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Installing a Tender Step
Greetings!
I have a missing rear step on the tender of a Flyer 336. I would like to install a replacement step .... what methods of attaching a step have you found to be workable?
Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68336 From: John Metzger Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Brad's train set
Now you need the 661 passenger car to go with this set. I'd still use the liquid pledge to polish them up. John Metzger.


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Brad's train set


 
Brad,

You are welcome, as the cars look great.

I would not polish them, as that will hurt the collectable value.

Run them with care.

I don’t think you need to polish them, again.

Just wipe then down with a soft cloth from time to time.

S is a nice size.

Mike

From: Bradley Golden
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:17 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Brad's train set

thnk you so much .. I really appreciate all the input.. Your all such a buch of great men and woman . Thnks Again.. Very new to flyer.. I have been o gauge for 20 yrs and it is so out of scale..... I cant wait to get it early next week .. My set i mean thnks again Brad

--- On Sun, 2/12/12, Brady Burdge <mailto:brady%40americanflyerlines.net> wrote:

From: Brady Burdge <mailto:brady%40americanflyerlines.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Brad's train set
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 12, 2012, 6:08 PM

Very nice!

Brady

On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:50:16 -0500
"Michael & Linda Marmer" <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1745269067/pic/list
>
> Brad wanted me to post a picture of his American Flyer train set he
> just got.
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68337 From: Bradley Golden Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Brad's train set
yes i am looking for the 661 passenger car..thnks i will try that to



--- On Sun, 2/12/12, John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> wrote:


From: John Metzger <johnm_63379@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Brad's train set
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, February 12, 2012, 11:25 PM



 



Now you need the 661 passenger car to go with this set. I'd still use the liquid pledge to polish them up. John Metzger.

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Brad's train set

 
Brad,

You are welcome, as the cars look great.

I would not polish them, as that will hurt the collectable value.

Run them with care.

I don’t think you need to polish them, again.

Just wipe then down with a soft cloth from time to time.

S is a nice size.

Mike

From: Bradley Golden
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:17 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Brad's train set

thnk you so much .. I really appreciate all the input.. Your all such a buch of great men and woman . Thnks Again.. Very new to flyer.. I have been o gauge for 20 yrs and it is so out of scale..... I cant wait to get it early next week .. My set i mean thnks again Brad

--- On Sun, 2/12/12, Brady Burdge <mailto:brady%40americanflyerlines.net> wrote:

From: Brady Burdge <mailto:brady%40americanflyerlines.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Brad's train set
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 12, 2012, 6:08 PM

Very nice!

Brady

On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:50:16 -0500
"Michael & Linda Marmer" <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1745269067/pic/list
>
> Brad wanted me to post a picture of his American Flyer train set he
> just got.
>
> Mike
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68338 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a tender step
If you have the original step it would be best to reinstall it using crazy glue if the two surfaces will mate exactly. Otherwise replacement steps are available from LBR, Portlines, and others.
If installing a replacement, I would suggest painting the replacement part a matching color (if necessary) except at the mating point. You may have to carefully file the place on the tender shell to fit properly as well. Use a thicker crazy glue, epoxy, JB Weld, Duco Home Projects Cement, or similar product.
By the way, I have found that common Testor's styrene cement will not work reliably on aging Gilbert plastics, so you may want to use the above products for repairs on either plastic or metal.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68339 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
While the Krispy Kreme donuts sold by out local Kroger stores has put me off that brand, your flatcar project is very neat! A good job with the trucks and the car's decking and chocking.
I love to see something done with imagination and skill rather than right out of the box. I might even go try a dozen Krispy Kremes to see if they have been improved in the past three years.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68340 From: R G Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a Tender Step
I have attached reporduction tender steps and I use J B weld.  I first superglue it in place and than added a flilet of J B weld behind the step to reinforce it .  When it is painted it is not noticeable.



________________________________
From: charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...>
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:12 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Installing a Tender Step


 
Greetings!
I have a missing rear step on the tender of a Flyer 336. I would like to install a replacement step .... what methods of attaching a step have you found to be workable?
Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68341 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: (no subject)
    Thank you for the suggestion Steve, I will give it a try. Maybe make these beautiful cars even nicer.
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68342 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
Stumpy,

We had a Krispy Kreme donut store close to our home when I was a kid. The donuts were super good when they were hot. If they sat around a day or so they were pretty tough. Are they fresh and hot at your Krogers?

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> While the Krispy Kreme donuts sold by out local Kroger stores has put me off that brand, your flatcar project is very neat! A good job with the trucks and the car's decking and chocking.
> I love to see something done with imagination and skill rather than right out of the box. I might even go try a dozen Krispy Kremes to see if they have been improved in the past three years.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68343 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
I have to admit that eating Krispy Kreme donuts hot off the baking line
at the production facility in Columbia, MD was extremely gratifying.
Unfortunately, they closed the production facility - Krispy Kreme donuts
purchased from distributors, such as Kroger or others leaves much to be
desired. So, if they are available warm, directly from the baking line,
they are excellent - if not, then they appear to be "second tier".
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
ps Smultringer (small donuts made in Norway), are essentially the same -
if you can get them warm, direct from the hot grease, they taste
wonderful, but buying them at grocery stores is not as satisfying.
Sorry about the lack of train content, but one has to feed the soul
sometimes.

On 2/13/2012 14:24, mrstumpy50 wrote:
>
> While the Krispy Kreme donuts sold by out local Kroger stores has put
> me off that brand, your flatcar project is very neat! A good job with
> the trucks and the car's decking and chocking.
> I love to see something done with imagination and skill rather than
> right out of the box. I might even go try a dozen Krispy Kremes to see
> if they have been improved in the past three years.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68344 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a tender step
Stumpy,
     For the old AF plastics nothing andf I really mean nothing beats "PLASTIC WELDER" made by DEVCON for repairs. It is also superb for metals, concrete, vinyl, PVC piping and fiberglass. Much better than JB WELD.   The item number is S-220/22045. This should make bashing a much more enjoyable Sport / Hobby :o)
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872
 


--- On Mon, 2/13/12, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Installing a tender step
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 8:35 AM



 



If you have the original step it would be best to reinstall it using crazy glue if the two surfaces will mate exactly. Otherwise replacement steps are available from LBR, Portlines, and others.
If installing a replacement, I would suggest painting the replacement part a matching color (if necessary) except at the mating point. You may have to carefully file the place on the tender shell to fit properly as well. Use a thicker crazy glue, epoxy, JB Weld, Duco Home Projects Cement, or similar product.
By the way, I have found that common Testor's styrene cement will not work reliably on aging Gilbert plastics, so you may want to use the above products for repairs on either plastic or metal.
Stumpy in Ahia








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Group: S-Trains Message: 68345 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a Tender Step
I am about to re-install a broken piece to a curtain used for the 21005 switcher series as I am going to use JB weld too, but just slightly.

I did tape of the surrounding area with painters tape as I would think masking tape would do also so that would keep excess “glue” off the other surfaces, main piece and broken piece. I will be using a toothpick to apply the “glue” or JB Weld mixture, slightly.

Mike

From: R G
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:53 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Installing a Tender Step


I have attached reporduction tender steps and I use J B weld. I first superglue it in place and than added a flilet of J B weld behind the step to reinforce it . When it is painted it is not noticeable.

________________________________
From: charlie and edith <mailto:charlieandedith%40i2k.com>
To: mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:12 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Installing a Tender Step


Greetings!
I have a missing rear step on the tender of a Flyer 336. I would like to install a replacement step .... what methods of attaching a step have you found to be workable?
Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68346 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a tender step
Dave,

Thanks for that information, as I myself did want to mess with squeezing the duo tube of epoxy as that is mess, so I thought maybe JB Weld in separate tubes would be easier to handle. But I thought that is really not for plastic.

So your email about the Plastic Welder was just in time.

I will check out eBay for it, just kidding, Amazon, as I still need to order some music CDs from Amazon.

Mike

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:20 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Installing a tender step


Stumpy,
For the old AF plastics nothing andf I really mean nothing beats "PLASTIC WELDER" made by DEVCON for repairs. It is also superb for metals, concrete, vinyl, PVC piping and fiberglass. Much better than JB WELD. The item number is S-220/22045. This should make bashing a much more enjoyable Sport / Hobby :o)
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872






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Group: S-Trains Message: 68347 From: George Cohn Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a tender step
On 2/13/2012 9:49 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
> Dave,
>
>
> So your email about the Plastic Welder was just in time.
>
> I will check out eBay for it, just kidding, Amazon, as I still need to
> order some music CDs from Amazon.

Or just check your local auto parts or hardware store. The local Auto
Zones all carry it. I use it for almost anything made of plastic that
needs a permanent bond.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 68348 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
You guys need to cut down on your donut in take. Just kidding.

The problem is once you have a business that goes into a “chain”mode, the home office loses control on what goes on, if they have poor management checking the stores out for training, etc., and having product like a baked good in a store like a grocery store, you lose that consistency in taste for many reasons, mainly aging, as bake goods age real fast. And if the product was not made right from the beginning that is a problem too.

This has happen to many chains not just food type businesses, having poor management in controlling how things are done to the correct specs.

Mike.



From: Rance Velapoldi
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:15 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted


I have to admit that eating Krispy Kreme donuts hot off the baking line
at the production facility in Columbia, MD was extremely gratifying.
Unfortunately, they closed the production facility - Krispy Kreme donuts
purchased from distributors, such as Kroger or others leaves much to be
desired. So, if they are available warm, directly from the baking line,
they are excellent - if not, then they appear to be "second tier".
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
ps Smultringer (small donuts made in Norway), are essentially the same -
if you can get them warm, direct from the hot grease, they taste
wonderful, but buying them at grocery stores is not as satisfying.
Sorry about the lack of train content, but one has to feed the soul
sometimes.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68349 From: robert hendrickson Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
My exposure to Krispy Kreme came in mess halls at Ft Jackson SC and Ft Gordon GA. They were nasty. Guess that's why I never bothered to get any when they had local stores. Even the name was a little off putting.
 
Bob


________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:24 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted


 
While the Krispy Kreme donuts sold by out local Kroger stores has put me off that brand, your flatcar project is very neat! A good job with the trucks and the car's decking and chocking.
I love to see something done with imagination and skill rather than right out of the box. I might even go try a dozen Krispy Kremes to see if they have been improved in the past three years.
Stumpy in Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68350 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a tender step
Got it from Amazon via eHobbies, 5.72, shipping was 2, no tax.

Checked on line with AutoZone, they don’t have it and this saves me time from driving all over the place looking for it.

thanks Dave for the head’s up on this.

Mike

From: George Cohn
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 1:33 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Installing a tender step


On 2/13/2012 9:49 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
> Dave,
>
>
> So your email about the Plastic Welder was just in time.
>
> I will check out eBay for it, just kidding, Amazon, as I still need to
> order some music CDs from Amazon.

Or just check your local auto parts or hardware store. The local Auto
Zones all carry it. I use it for almost anything made of plastic that
needs a permanent bond.

George Cohn




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68351 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a tender step
Hi George,

Yes, I did not mention going to a store.

But I see that this is a like epoxy with two tubes together that you squeeze.

I hope this wont be as messy as epoxy as yes once mixed far far away from the item, I will use a toothpick,
Mike

From: George Cohn
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 1:33 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Installing a tender step


On 2/13/2012 9:49 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
> Dave,
>
>
> So your email about the Plastic Welder was just in time.
>
> I will check out eBay for it, just kidding, Amazon, as I still need to
> order some music CDs from Amazon.

Or just check your local auto parts or hardware store. The local Auto
Zones all carry it. I use it for almost anything made of plastic that
needs a permanent bond.

George Cohn




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68352 From: Ben Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme Flat Car - Photos Posted
Methinks we were bidding against each other on the KK trucks! I got two as well (Very reasonably), but saved even more $$$ by just using an old AF New Haven flatcar- I did not even buy a new one from American Models!

It is a neat look- and kudos to the folks who came up with the original design for the convention car all those years ago.
Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've finished my Krispy Kreme flat car knockoff. I used two Lledo Krispy Kreme cars I won on eBay and an American Models 46' flatcar I bought yesterday at the Great Train Expo in Houston. Total cost for my Krispy Kreme flat including shipipng & handling is: KK car #1 = $11.11, KK car #2 = $12.00, American Models 46' flat car = $26.00 for a total $49.11. Not bad for a couple of weeks shopping effort.
>
> You can view nine photos of the finished product starting here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7hxvnc2
>
> So everyone start trolling for parts and build your own!
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68353 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a Tender Step
Mike,
     The Plastic Welder actually melts (welds) the plastic together. Yes, a tooth pick works great.
Dave


--- On Mon, 2/13/12, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:


From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Installing a Tender Step
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 11:29 AM



 



I am about to re-install a broken piece to a curtain used for the 21005 switcher series as I am going to use JB weld too, but just slightly.

I did tape of the surrounding area with painters tape as I would think masking tape would do also so that would keep excess “glue” off the other surfaces, main piece and broken piece. I will be using a toothpick to apply the “glue” or JB Weld mixture, slightly.

Mike

From: R G
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:53 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Installing a Tender Step

I have attached reporduction tender steps and I use J B weld. I first superglue it in place and than added a flilet of J B weld behind the step to reinforce it . When it is painted it is not noticeable.

________________________________
From: charlie and edith <mailto:charlieandedith%40i2k.com>
To: mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:12 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Installing a Tender Step

Greetings!
I have a missing rear step on the tender of a Flyer 336. I would like to install a replacement step .... what methods of attaching a step have you found to be workable?
Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68354 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: April 1990 CTT
The CTT I got from eBay last week from April 1990 that feature the 20 top AF sets came today.
I can see by what I saw, this is of one’s own opinion and that is fine about the top 20 AF sets.
I have not read the magazine in full, but just scanned it, as I will while Big Monday is on at ESPN and tell you later what sets Paul Nelson list.
The interesting thing about CTT, is that in this issue the number of pages is 106, not including the cover sheet for the magazine. And nice heavy paper. The current issue is thinner paper and 72 pages which means the magazine is 68% today in pages from 1990. A big drop, as most likely the advertising, the life blood of any newspaper or magazine must be way down due to many reasons.
Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68355 From: George Cohn Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
On 2/13/2012 9:56 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
> You guys need to cut down on your donut in take. Just kidding.

Years ago, our local hospital cafeteria used to bake donuts. They were
tasty and soft. I worked there for 32 years and often bought one with a
cup of coffee for my 9AM break.

Then when Krispy Kreme craze hit, they sold those. Not nearly as good
and stale to boot, not to mention more expensive.

Nothing to do with S or AF but just a comment.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 68356 From: NEIL Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: plug rewire
Hi all,

I have a 5 digit AF with the 2 prong plastic plug and one wire has come loose from the plug. How do you re-attach the wire. I assume you can't solder it in without melting the plastic. Is there a plug available that is pre-wired?

Thank in advance
Neil
Group: S-Trains Message: 68357 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: plug rewire
Neil,

Boy do I have a story about that from 1974.

But you just pull out the metal prong, clean off the wire a bit and push back in the plastic plug, Push metal prong back in.

Good to go.

I learned the hard way, as I tried to get this fixed at a shoppe which took 10 years which also included a drive wheel separated. I wrote about this before, but I can repeat this if anyone wants me too, as the shop went out of business right after I gave them my loco a 21129 Hudson.

Mike
From: NEIL
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:43 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] plug rewire


Hi all,

I have a 5 digit AF with the 2 prong plastic plug and one wire has come loose from the plug. How do you re-attach the wire. I assume you can't solder it in without melting the plastic. Is there a plug available that is pre-wired?

Thank in advance
Neil





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68358 From: Frank Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a Tender Step
Where do you find it ? Went to Home Depot and they do not have it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 13, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:

> Mike,
> The Plastic Welder actually melts (welds) the plastic together. Yes, a tooth pick works great.
> Dave
>
> --- On Mon, 2/13/12, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Installing a Tender Step
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 11:29 AM
>
>
>
> I am about to re-install a broken piece to a curtain used for the 21005 switcher series as I am going to use JB weld too, but just slightly.
>
> I did tape of the surrounding area with painters tape as I would think masking tape would do also so that would keep excess “glue” off the other surfaces, main piece and broken piece. I will be using a toothpick to apply the “glue” or JB Weld mixture, slightly.
>
> Mike
>
> From: R G
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:53 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Installing a Tender Step
>
> I have attached reporduction tender steps and I use J B weld. I first superglue it in place and than added a flilet of J B weld behind the step to reinforce it . When it is painted it is not noticeable.
>
> ________________________________
> From: charlie and edith <mailto:charlieandedith%40i2k.com>
> To: mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:12 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Installing a Tender Step
>
> Greetings!
> I have a missing rear step on the tender of a Flyer 336. I would like to install a replacement step .... what methods of attaching a step have you found to be workable?
> Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
> Charlie in W MI
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68359 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a Tender Step
Dave,

thanks again for the product tip and how it works, as I used a product like this before, from Plasticstrut, but it all evaporated in the bottle.

Since this will “melt” the plastic, I assume I would just use a small amount .

What I need it for it the tab, as I could not think of what it was called, of 21005 engine curtain.

Again, me? I usually make things worse.

now you all know why I like ebay more than fixing things.

Oh come on now, someone laugh.

Mike

From: Dave at LBR Enterprises
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 5:35 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Installing a Tender Step


Mike,
The Plastic Welder actually melts (welds) the plastic together. Yes, a tooth pick works great.
Dave

--- On Mon, 2/13/12, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Installing a Tender Step
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 11:29 AM



I am about to re-install a broken piece to a curtain used for the 21005 switcher series as I am going to use JB weld too, but just slightly.

I did tape of the surrounding area with painters tape as I would think masking tape would do also so that would keep excess “glue” off the other surfaces, main piece and broken piece. I will be using a toothpick to apply the “glue” or JB Weld mixture, slightly.

Mike

From: R G
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:53 AM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Installing a Tender Step

I have attached reporduction tender steps and I use J B weld. I first superglue it in place and than added a flilet of J B weld behind the step to reinforce it . When it is painted it is not noticeable.

________________________________
From: charlie and edith <mailto:charlieandedith%40i2k.com>
To: mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:12 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Installing a Tender Step

Greetings!
I have a missing rear step on the tender of a Flyer 336. I would like to install a replacement step .... what methods of attaching a step have you found to be workable?
Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68360 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme Flat Car - Photos Posted
Ben,

I had an AF flat car and some basswood set aside on the work bench. I was about to lay the basswood on the flat car when Tracie reminded me of the train show, so I put off that job. I stumbled on the American Models flat car (they come with a wooden deck) at the show. The $26 I spent on the flat car saved me several hours of placing decking on the AF flat car - lol.

David


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> Methinks we were bidding against each other on the KK trucks! I got two as well (Very reasonably), but saved even more $$$ by just using an old AF New Haven flatcar- I did not even buy a new one from American Models!
>
> It is a neat look- and kudos to the folks who came up with the original design for the convention car all those years ago.
> Ben
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've finished my Krispy Kreme flat car knockoff. I used two Lledo Krispy Kreme cars I won on eBay and an American Models 46' flatcar I bought yesterday at the Great Train Expo in Houston. Total cost for my Krispy Kreme flat including shipipng & handling is: KK car #1 = $11.11, KK car #2 = $12.00, American Models 46' flat car = $26.00 for a total $49.11. Not bad for a couple of weeks shopping effort.
> >
> > You can view nine photos of the finished product starting here:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/7hxvnc2
> >
> > So everyone start trolling for parts and build your own!
> >
> > David
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68361 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Krispy Kreme Vs. Spudnuts - Not Train Related
Hi All,

The best donuts on the planet are the first batch of Spudnuts fresh out of the grease at 6:00AM in El Dorado, AR. Donuts made with potato flour - yummmm!!!!!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68362 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: plug rewire
Hold the plastic firmly and pull the prong out of the side that is broken.
Strip the wire back again and put it back into the hole and press the prong
back in. Easy as pie.

Steve
SnS rains

In a message dated 2/13/2012 5:50:39 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
bowlsalot2@... writes:




Hi all,

I have a 5 digit AF with the 2 prong plastic plug and one wire has come
loose from the plug. How do you re-attach the wire. I assume you can't solder
it in without melting the plastic. Is there a plug available that is
pre-wired?

Thank in advance
Neil






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Group: S-Trains Message: 68363 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a Tender Step
Frank,

You can go through Amazon which has several options from suppliers, as one had two tubes for 10 free shipping and what I got was the one tube through ehobby for 5.72 with shipping. I don’t use that much glue so I only got the one tube.

Or you could see what eHobby direct will be on its own and if you need something else from eHobby all the better.

Oh and its on ebay, really.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Devcon-Plastic-Welder-Epoxy-2-Pack-/180806020856?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a18e0eef8

this is the same person who sells on Amazon, same price and free shipping.

Mike

From: Frank
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:58 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Installing a Tender Step


Where do you find it ? Went to Home Depot and they do not have it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 13, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Dave at LBR Enterprises <mailto:lbrenterprisesllc%40yahoo.com> wrote:

> Mike,
> The Plastic Welder actually melts (welds) the plastic together. Yes, a tooth pick works great.
> Dave
>
> --- On Mon, 2/13/12, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote:
>
> From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Installing a Tender Step
> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 11:29 AM
>
>
>
> I am about to re-install a broken piece to a curtain used for the 21005 switcher series as I am going to use JB weld too, but just slightly.
>
> I did tape of the surrounding area with painters tape as I would think masking tape would do also so that would keep excess “glue” off the other surfaces, main piece and broken piece. I will be using a toothpick to apply the “glue” or JB Weld mixture, slightly.
>
> Mike
>
> From: R G
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:53 AM
> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Installing a Tender Step
>
> I have attached reporduction tender steps and I use J B weld. I first superglue it in place and than added a flilet of J B weld behind the step to reinforce it . When it is painted it is not noticeable.
>
> ________________________________
> From: charlie and edith <mailto:charlieandedith%40i2k.com>
> To: mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:12 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Installing a Tender Step
>
> Greetings!
> I have a missing rear step on the tender of a Flyer 336. I would like to install a replacement step .... what methods of attaching a step have you found to be workable?
> Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
> Charlie in W MI
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68364 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: plug rewire
Hi Neil,
                      Do not solder the wire. The plastic will melt.    Pull the brass prong out of the hole.  Strip the wire to be inserted.  Insert the wire. Tap the brass prong through the other hole over the wire.
                                                        Tom Seccia



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From: NEIL <bowlsalot2@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:43 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] plug rewire


 
Hi all,

I have a 5 digit AF with the 2 prong plastic plug and one wire has come loose from the plug. How do you re-attach the wire. I assume you can't solder it in without melting the plastic. Is there a plug available that is pre-wired?

Thank in advance
Neil




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68365 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Installing a Tender Step
http://www.amazon.com/DEVCON-S220-Plastic-Welder-1oz/dp/B000LNMFSQ/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1329188868&sr=8-4

Link for just one tube through Amazon from ehobby.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68366 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar--mostly OT
Hi all,
While I think the KK trucks look cool, and would look great on a flat car,
IMHO, the donuts do NOT warrant their reputation. My Grandfather was a baker
(as was my great uncle) and them 'donuts' wouldn't be allowed in his shop!
But then almost any donut tastes good fresh off the pan!
Now to find some dessert. . . .
:)
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68367 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Another memory...
David's speaking of Spudnuts donuts spurred a bunch of memories of that time in my youth when we lived in Zanesville, Ohio. That was the era when I got my Amercan Flyer train set and spent many happy years with it afterward before "graduating" to HO "scale." It reminds me of a time when pop (soda) had jumped to ten cents a bottle and many people wouldn't pay the "doubled" price. So we got a lot of Kool Aide, or a new product that was like a flavored Alka-Seltzer; "Fizzies!" They were really good, but for some reason disappeared a few years later.
The big treat for me was going with Dad on Saturday mornings to run arrands and wash the car, and then we'd drive over to the small B&O or NKP yards along the river to watch trains. We'd park the car and walk to the depot or at strategic points along the tracks to watch. If we were REAL lucky, the crew of the B&O yard goat would spot us watching and invite us aboard to ride the engine (an 0-6-0 usually) while they worked the yard. I remember the B&O people always being friendly, from engine crews, to brakemen, to the folks in the depot. The other roads which came into town (NKP, PRR, and NYC)were a bit less so, but we visited them from time to time anyway.
Often we'd come home later than usual with a clean car and a dirty father and son. (Dad always kept blankets in the trunk for such occassions so we wouldn't get the seats dirty.) Mom would ask loudly where we'd been to get covered in black dust and dirt. Of course Dad would say something like; "The boy wanted to see the trains." to deflect her anger.
We moved away in 1958 and the B&O had dropped the fires on steam by then. Riding a diesel switcher was not the same, but we didn't get flack from Mom when we got home. I'm not sure it was a good trade off.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68368 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Krispy Kreme vs Spudnuts
Oh my God! I had forgotten all about Mister Spudnuts donuts! That takes me all the way back to being six years old in Zanesville, Ohio and the special treat of going to the Mister Spudnuts store in South Zanesville!
Dad would buy the family a donut each. (Looking back, I suspect he'd buy a dozen, but little brother and I would never see the other donuts!)
This was a treat easily equal to going to the Dairy Queen a mile away and getting a chocolate dipped ice cream cone!
Since we were not too well off, we got a once a week treat like this. And of course in those days the Dairy Queen was closed in winter, so warm Spudnuts were really great!
Thanks for the warm memories Mister Gator!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68369 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Another memory...
While you are all eating up donuts and donut memories, I believe this is the 50th anniversary of John Glenn going into space in his Mercury Capsule. I just turned 7 the day before, as his flight was February 20, 1962.

My tie in to trains? Lionel had a ton of space RR cars, as I think they had a flat car with a capsule on it. I wonder why AF did not make any thing space related, beside all those rocket cars, which to me was not space related but cold war related, (Not trying to stir up a discussion on the cold war, mind you) Maybe if they had made some space items, that might of helped them out in sales and maybe avoid a bit longer what happened in 1966. Or who knows maybe it might of the items to do the trick to make them survive completely as AF is still made today by you know who.

Mike

From: mrstumpy50
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:49 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Another memory...


David's speaking of Spudnuts donuts spurred a bunch of memories of that time in my youth when we lived in Zanesville, Ohio. That was the era when I got my Amercan Flyer train set and spent many happy years with it afterward before "graduating" to HO "scale." It reminds me of a time when pop (soda) had jumped to ten cents a bottle and many people wouldn't pay the "doubled" price. So we got a lot of Kool Aide, or a new product that was like a flavored Alka-Seltzer; "Fizzies!" They were really good, but for some reason disappeared a few years later.
The big treat for me was going with Dad on Saturday mornings to run arrands and wash the car, and then we'd drive over to the small B&O or NKP yards along the river to watch trains. We'd park the car and walk to the depot or at strategic points along the tracks to watch. If we were REAL lucky, the crew of the B&O yard goat would spot us watching and invite us aboard to ride the engine (an 0-6-0 usually) while they worked the yard. I remember the B&O people always being friendly, from engine crews, to brakemen, to the folks in the depot. The other roads which came into town (NKP, PRR, and NYC)were a bit less so, but we visited them from time to time anyway.
Often we'd come home later than usual with a clean car and a dirty father and son. (Dad always kept blankets in the trunk for such occassions so we wouldn't get the seats dirty.) Mom would ask loudly where we'd been to get covered in black dust and dirt. Of course Dad would say something like; "The boy wanted to see the trains." to deflect her anger.
We moved away in 1958 and the B&O had dropped the fires on steam by then. Riding a diesel switcher was not the same, but we didn't get flack from Mom when we got home. I'm not sure it was a good trade off.
Stumpy in Ahia





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68370 From: race944t Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder
Has anyone tried this plastic welder. It sure looks simpler than an
epoxy and a toothpick application would make this jar last forever!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1-\
oz-Bottle-7-NEW-/360404490320?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e9c81850
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1\
-oz-Bottle-7-NEW-/360404490320?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e9c81850\
>

You guys got my curiosity up with all this glue stuff. I've used JB
Weld, super glue and super glue gel for years. Time for a change.

"Banker" Bill Clark in the Beautiful Blue Ridge Mts. of Va.

(side note to Rick Grough, I've autocrossed and raced against the little
510's - fun little econoboxes, but I love my '84 Colt turbo twin stick 8
speed in autocrossing. It's now a second generation class champ. My
son took over the wheel last year.)



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68371 From: George Cohn Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Another memory...
On 2/14/2012 7:49 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
> So we got a lot of Kool Aide, or a new
> product that was like a flavored Alka-Seltzer; "Fizzies!" They were
> really good, but for some reason disappeared a few years later.
>

The Fizzies patent was held by Alka-Seltzer and they took it off the
market for a while. Apparently its back as I have seen some lately.

I just got a package from eBay yesterday and it was packed in a Fizzies box!

We went through the same cycle of soda then Kool-Aid and Fizzies as well.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 68372 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Another memory...
Stumpy,
     I think we will do a Spudnut decal for a 40' reefer featuring "MR. SPUDNUT". What do you think?
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872
 


--- On Tue, 2/14/12, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Another memory...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 9:49 AM



 



David's speaking of Spudnuts donuts spurred a bunch of memories of that time in my youth when we lived in Zanesville, Ohio. That was the era when I got my Amercan Flyer train set and spent many happy years with it afterward before "graduating" to HO "scale." It reminds me of a time when pop (soda) had jumped to ten cents a bottle and many people wouldn't pay the "doubled" price. So we got a lot of Kool Aide, or a new product that was like a flavored Alka-Seltzer; "Fizzies!" They were really good, but for some reason disappeared a few years later.
The big treat for me was going with Dad on Saturday mornings to run arrands and wash the car, and then we'd drive over to the small B&O or NKP yards along the river to watch trains. We'd park the car and walk to the depot or at strategic points along the tracks to watch. If we were REAL lucky, the crew of the B&O yard goat would spot us watching and invite us aboard to ride the engine (an 0-6-0 usually) while they worked the yard. I remember the B&O people always being friendly, from engine crews, to brakemen, to the folks in the depot. The other roads which came into town (NKP, PRR, and NYC)were a bit less so, but we visited them from time to time anyway.
Often we'd come home later than usual with a clean car and a dirty father and son. (Dad always kept blankets in the trunk for such occassions so we wouldn't get the seats dirty.) Mom would ask loudly where we'd been to get covered in black dust and dirt. Of course Dad would say something like; "The boy wanted to see the trains." to deflect her anger.
We moved away in 1958 and the B&O had dropped the fires on steam by then. Riding a diesel switcher was not the same, but we didn't get flack from Mom when we got home. I'm not sure it was a good trade off.
Stumpy in Ahia








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Group: S-Trains Message: 68373 From: Joseph H Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
Krispy Kremes must be eaten only when the "Hot n Now" sign is lighted (i.e., they are fresh off the production line). This way they just melt in your mouth and you don't consume any calories while eating a dozen by yourself. ;<)

Joe

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> While the Krispy Kreme donuts sold by out local Kroger stores has put me off that brand, your flatcar project is very neat! A good job with the trucks and the car's decking and chocking.
> I love to see something done with imagination and skill rather than right out of the box. I might even go try a dozen Krispy Kremes to see if they have been improved in the past three years.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68374 From: Frank Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Another memory...
Stumpy , what RR operated the caboose that is/was on display at the old station in Zanesville, Ohio? It looked a lot like a flyer 935 , but without bay windows.
Frank

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 14, 2012, at 9:49 AM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

> David's speaking of Spudnuts donuts spurred a bunch of memories of that time in my youth when we lived in Zanesville, Ohio. That was the era when I got my Amercan Flyer train set and spent many happy years with it afterward before "graduating" to HO "scale." It reminds me of a time when pop (soda) had jumped to ten cents a bottle and many people wouldn't pay the "doubled" price. So we got a lot of Kool Aide, or a new product that was like a flavored Alka-Seltzer; "Fizzies!" They were really good, but for some reason disappeared a few years later.
> The big treat for me was going with Dad on Saturday mornings to run arrands and wash the car, and then we'd drive over to the small B&O or NKP yards along the river to watch trains. We'd park the car and walk to the depot or at strategic points along the tracks to watch. If we were REAL lucky, the crew of the B&O yard goat would spot us watching and invite us aboard to ride the engine (an 0-6-0 usually) while they worked the yard. I remember the B&O people always being friendly, from engine crews, to brakemen, to the folks in the depot. The other roads which came into town (NKP, PRR, and NYC)were a bit less so, but we visited them from time to time anyway.
> Often we'd come home later than usual with a clean car and a dirty father and son. (Dad always kept blankets in the trunk for such occassions so we wouldn't get the seats dirty.) Mom would ask loudly where we'd been to get covered in black dust and dirt. Of course Dad would say something like; "The boy wanted to see the trains." to deflect her anger.
> We moved away in 1958 and the B&O had dropped the fires on steam by then. Riding a diesel switcher was not the same, but we didn't get flack from Mom when we got home. I'm not sure it was a good trade off.
> Stumpy in Ahia
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68375 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: A&W Floats
Hi Stumpy,

Growing up in Florida the best treat from Mom & Dad was to load up the car for an evening trip on a summer night to the A&W Drive In. Summer in Florida was pretty nasty before the days of air conditioning, so a big icy mug of A&W root beer was to die for! And if you had been a good boy you might get a root beer float!!!

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Oh my God! I had forgotten all about Mister Spudnuts donuts! That takes me all the way back to being six years old in Zanesville, Ohio and the special treat of going to the Mister Spudnuts store in South Zanesville!
> Dad would buy the family a donut each. (Looking back, I suspect he'd buy a dozen, but little brother and I would never see the other donuts!)
> This was a treat easily equal to going to the Dairy Queen a mile away and getting a chocolate dipped ice cream cone!
> Since we were not too well off, we got a once a week treat like this. And of course in those days the Dairy Queen was closed in winter, so warm Spudnuts were really great!
> Thanks for the warm memories Mister Gator!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68376 From: Doug S Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: S-Fest Posted
Our webpage now has the most current information regarding the Fall S-Fest held in the midwest each year. Click to check it out as well as the history of the groups regarding this event.
http://www.trainweb.org/bsg/events/sfest.htm
Doug S.
Webmaster
Group: S-Trains Message: 68377 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION
According to the MSDS, Tenax-7R is nothing more than methylene chloride.
While it is not quite as good as ethylene-di-chloride (EDC) it is still an
excellent solvent for acrylics, polycarbonates, and some other plastics, it
is a fluoro-carbon (like Freon) and it is also thought to be carcinogenic,
so its use is restricted in some states. Use with caution. Also, it has a
high vapor pressure, so if your bottle is not tightly sealed, it (along with
your investment) will evaporate.



Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of race944t
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:16 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] TENAX-7R Plastic Welder






Has anyone tried this plastic welder. It sure looks simpler than an
epoxy and a toothpick application would make this jar last forever!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1-\
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1-oz-
Bottle-7-NEW-/360404490320?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e9c81850>
oz-Bottle-7-NEW-/360404490320?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e9c81850
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1\
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1-oz-
Bottle-7-NEW-/360404490320?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e9c81850>
-oz-Bottle-7-NEW-/360404490320?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e9c81850\
>

You guys got my curiosity up with all this glue stuff. I've used JB
Weld, super glue and super glue gel for years. Time for a change.

"Banker" Bill Clark in the Beautiful Blue Ridge Mts. of Va.

(side note to Rick Grough, I've autocrossed and raced against the little
510's - fun little econoboxes, but I love my '84 Colt turbo twin stick 8
speed in autocrossing. It's now a second generation class champ. My
son took over the wheel last year.)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68378 From: rick gough Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Another memory...
Of course Lionel was going under at the same time Gilbert was due to the changing market conditions; they just took a little longer to basically go out of business. They aren't the origional Lionel anymore, but are just a subsidiary of some huge parent company.


rick gough
SSS datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68379 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder
It is excellent. Be sure to keep the top on tight when you are not using it.

The solvent that does the work is not good for us, so, good ventilation
is a good idea.

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 2/14/2012 12:15 PM, race944t wrote:
> Has anyone tried this plastic welder. It sure looks simpler than an
> epoxy and a toothpick application would make this jar last forever!
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1-\
> oz-Bottle-7-NEW-/360404490320?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e9c81850
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1\
> -oz-Bottle-7-NEW-/360404490320?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e9c81850\
Group: S-Trains Message: 68380 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Krispy Kreme Donuts..... I remember getting really drunk one night!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I went by KK and the Hot sign was on so I bought a dozen.... Took them home and proceeded on eat one.... then two......then three..... etc.... after about six I felt kinda funny so I layed down.....GREAT..... A little while later a friend called.... I answered the phone.... His reply..... BOB ARE YOU DRUNK????..
No im finnnneeeee... etc.... Well I was really slurring my words and feeling good..... SUGAR DRUNK HIGH!!!!!!  Bob Conner

--- On Tue, 2/14/12, Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...> wrote:


From: Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 10:58 AM



 



Krispy Kremes must be eaten only when the "Hot n Now" sign is lighted (i.e., they are fresh off the production line). This way they just melt in your mouth and you don't consume any calories while eating a dozen by yourself. ;<)

Joe

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> While the Krispy Kreme donuts sold by out local Kroger stores has put me off that brand, your flatcar project is very neat! A good job with the trucks and the car's decking and chocking.
> I love to see something done with imagination and skill rather than right out of the box. I might even go try a dozen Krispy Kremes to see if they have been improved in the past three years.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>








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Group: S-Trains Message: 68381 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Another memory...
I thought Lionel was a soley-owned corporation?

No company is the same as it was in 1947, for a variety of reasons.

Roy Inman



From: rick gough <racin510@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:15:37 -0800 (PST)
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another memory...






Of course Lionel was going under at the same time Gilbert was due to the
changing market conditions; they just took a little longer to basically go
out of business. They aren't the origional Lionel anymore, but are just a
subsidiary of some huge parent company.

rick gough
SSS datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68382 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION
Jerry,

Methylene chloride is not a fluoro-carbon. It has no fluorine.

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Feldman" <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:
>
> According to the MSDS, Tenax-7R is nothing more than methylene chloride.
> While it is not quite as good as ethylene-di-chloride (EDC) it is still an
> excellent solvent for acrylics, polycarbonates, and some other plastics, it
> is a fluoro-carbon (like Freon) and it is also thought to be carcinogenic,
> so its use is restricted in some states. Use with caution. Also, it has a
> high vapor pressure, so if your bottle is not tightly sealed, it (along with
> your investment) will evaporate.
>
>
>
> Jerry F.
>
>
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of race944t
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:16 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] TENAX-7R Plastic Welder
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Has anyone tried this plastic welder. It sure looks simpler than an
> epoxy and a toothpick application would make this jar last forever!
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1-\
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1-oz-
> Bottle-7-NEW-/360404490320?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e9c81850>
> oz-Bottle-7-NEW-/360404490320?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e9c81850
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1\
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1-oz-
> Bottle-7-NEW-/360404490320?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e9c81850>
> -oz-Bottle-7-NEW-/360404490320?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e9c81850\
> >
>
> You guys got my curiosity up with all this glue stuff. I've used JB
> Weld, super glue and super glue gel for years. Time for a change.
>
> "Banker" Bill Clark in the Beautiful Blue Ridge Mts. of Va.
>
> (side note to Rick Grough, I've autocrossed and raced against the little
> 510's - fun little econoboxes, but I love my '84 Colt turbo twin stick 8
> speed in autocrossing. It's now a second generation class champ. My
> son took over the wheel last year.)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68383 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: A&W Floats
The same was true in Northern Indiana.  On a really good day, Mom would but a gallon jug of A&W and we'd take it to the beach! 


When my wife and I were first married, we boughtA&Wmugs, including a baby mug for our first son.  I still love to use them for A&W floats.




________________________________
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:56 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] A&W Floats


 
Hi Stumpy,

Growing up in Florida the best treat from Mom & Dad was to load up the car for an evening trip on a summer night to the A&W Drive In. Summer in Florida was pretty nasty before the days of air conditioning, so a big icy mug of A&W root beer was to die for! And if you had been a good boy you might get a root beer float!!!

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Oh my God! I had forgotten all about Mister Spudnuts donuts! That takes me all the way back to being six years old in Zanesville, Ohio and the special treat of going to the Mister Spudnuts store in South Zanesville!
> Dad would buy the family a donut each. (Looking back, I suspect he'd buy a dozen, but little brother and I would never see the other donuts!)
> This was a treat easily equal to going to the Dairy Queen a mile away and getting a chocolate dipped ice cream cone!
> Since we were not too well off, we got a once a week treat like this. And of course in those days the Dairy Queen was closed in winter, so warm Spudnuts were really great!
> Thanks for the warm memories Mister Gator!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68384 From: Jimbo Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Memory
my memory if trains is bits and pices, in the fifties remeber being on a train, the memory of it is the way the sandwich was cut, next my best freind at the time got a train set, that shot out milk cans and took in mail and he wouldnt let me play with it, I also got a train set lionel beleave but it was basic.
Best memory was picking up my grandfather he worked as a crossing guard well into his 60s untill he was forced to retire when they put in an automatic one (he was mad as hell having to retire, his third from the railroad).
Also when stationed in Berlin, Germany in the 70s taking the British Duty train to Breminhaven a 3 hr trip and it was a blast great old style cars and dining car, the american duty train sucked no class.
In later years, staying with my grandmother in St. Louis, she lived near the tracks and closed stockyards use to go there and wished i could seen it in its hayday, more than 30 lines all rusting away going to empty warehoused etc., we lost so much in subsidiseing the air lines but didnt do a thing for the railroads until it was almost to late.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68385 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION
David,



Well, duh. My bad. I think the technical name for that is a brain f***.
Besides, Freon is a chloro-fluorocarbon. I should have caught that one.



Thanks,



Jerry



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of bull_gator_1
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:49 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION





Jerry,

Methylene chloride is not a fluoro-carbon. It has no fluorine.

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Gerald Feldman" <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:
>
> According to the MSDS, Tenax-7R is nothing more than methylene chloride.
> While it is not quite as good as ethylene-di-chloride (EDC) it is still an
> excellent solvent for acrylics, polycarbonates, and some other plastics,
it
> is a fluoro-carbon (like Freon) and it is also thought to be carcinogenic,
> so its use is restricted in some states. Use with caution. Also, it has a
> high vapor pressure, so if your bottle is not tightly sealed, it (along
with
> your investment) will evaporate.
>
>
>
> Jerry F.
>
>
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
> Of race944t
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:16 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] TENAX-7R Plastic Welder
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Has anyone tried this plastic welder. It sure looks simpler than an
> epoxy and a toothpick application would make this jar last forever!
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1-\
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1->
>
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1-oz-
> Bottle-7-NEW-/360404490320?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e9c81850>
> oz-Bottle-7-NEW-/360404490320?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e9c81850
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1\
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1>
>
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/TENAX-7R-Plastic-Welder-Advanced-Model-Cement-1-oz-
> Bottle-7-NEW-/360404490320?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e9c81850>
> -oz-Bottle-7-NEW-/360404490320?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e9c81850\
> >
>
> You guys got my curiosity up with all this glue stuff. I've used JB
> Weld, super glue and super glue gel for years. Time for a change.
>
> "Banker" Bill Clark in the Beautiful Blue Ridge Mts. of Va.
>
> (side note to Rick Grough, I've autocrossed and raced against the little
> 510's - fun little econoboxes, but I love my '84 Colt turbo twin stick 8
> speed in autocrossing. It's now a second generation class champ. My
> son took over the wheel last year.)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68386 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Another memory...
Lionel LLC is a subsidy of Wellspring Capital Management.

Mike

From: Roy Inman
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:38 PM
To: S-trains
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another memory...


I thought Lionel was a soley-owned corporation?

No company is the same as it was in 1947, for a variety of reasons.

Roy Inman

From: rick gough <mailto:racin510%40yahoo.com>
Reply-To: S-trains <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:15:37 -0800 (PST)
To: S-trains <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another memory...

Of course Lionel was going under at the same time Gilbert was due to the
changing market conditions; they just took a little longer to basically go
out of business. They aren't the origional Lionel anymore, but are just a
subsidiary of some huge parent company.

rick gough
SSS datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68387 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION
You can get Methyl Ethyl Chloride ( MEK) at Plumbing departments as
PVC-CPVC pipe cleaner. It will also clean some of the skin off your fingers very
efficiently. There was talk of banning it for a while, guess that died
down. ..
Treat it with respect.

Jim Lyle


Jerry,

Methylene chloride is not a fluoro-carbon. It has no fluorine.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68388 From: John Metzger Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Another memory...
I grew up on a cheeper product called "Flavoraide". Came in a packet like "Koolaide" but was half the price. From johnm63379.


From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another memory...


 
On 2/14/2012 7:49 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
> So we got a lot of Kool Aide, or a new
> product that was like a flavored Alka-Seltzer; "Fizzies!" They were
> really good, but for some reason disappeared a few years later.
>

The Fizzies patent was held by Alka-Seltzer and they took it off the
market for a while. Apparently its back as I have seen some lately.

I just got a package from eBay yesterday and it was packed in a Fizzies box!

We went through the same cycle of soda then Kool-Aid and Fizzies as well.

George Cohn



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68389 From: Edward Musil Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION
MEK is different then Methylene Chloride.  MEK stands for Methyl Ethyl Keytone and it is used for welding polystrene plastics. Please don't confuse the two different solvents.
BTW- Another name for Methylene Chloride is Dichloromethane and another name for MEK is Butanonoe.  Solvent resistant gloves should be worn when handling ether one of these solvents.  Methylene Chloride is a suspected carcinogen.
Ed Musil


________________________________
From: "WJJIM@..." <WJJIM@...>
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:44 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION


 
You can get Methyl Ethyl Chloride ( MEK) at Plumbing departments as
PVC-CPVC pipe cleaner. It will also clean some of the skin off your fingers very
efficiently. There was talk of banning it for a while, guess that died
down. ..
Treat it with respect.

Jim Lyle

Jerry,

Methylene chloride is not a fluoro-carbon. It has no fluorine.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68390 From: pinetreerr Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
Over the years I've discovered that donuts are one of those items where everyone has an opinion about what is acceptable, which is best, etc., and that opinion is usually contrary to the person standing next to them. Don't even get me started about my New England friends who are in love with Dunkin' "cardboard" Donuts :-)

As Joe says KK donuts are best eaten at the KK store when the HOT light is on. Growing up in SC some 50 years ago, I have been fortunate to enjoy Krispy Kremes for a long time...and I agree the KKs sold at grocery stores and gas stations these days are really not worth having...IMHO they never have been even many years ago. However I will also note that the ones you get direct from KK shop hold up much better. I think it's the large flat box they use, where the donuts are laid flat and they are able to breathe better than when packaged standing up in the more airtight cardboard & plastic boxes used for grocery store sales.

Also like any "sport", eating KKs in any volume requires proper conditioning! Most folks can't go from 1 to 6 or 12 right away -- you need to work your way up. At one point while I was still in the Columbia SC area, the KK shop moved from downtown to the other side of town. At that point in my life I was in college and considerably younger & slimmer, and when I was home on weekends, I'd make a stop at the KK shop (always when the HOT light is on -- call ahead to verify!) My standard order was two dozen to go -- 9 to eat on the way back to my folks (a 25 min ride), 3 to share with them when I got there, and the remaining dozen for the trip back to college the next day. The second dozen rarely made it to the next day for the return trip and invariably I drove out of my way to get two more dozen to take back to college.

These days I'm out of practice and 2-4 are my limit in one sitting -- fortunately my 18 year old son can take up some of the slack, so we still get 2 dozen, although a lot less frequently as they are not here in New England any more.

Wish the HOT light was on somewhere near by...

Michael

PS a tip to those looking to move up in volume -- 3-4 oz of coffee between every 2-3 KKs, and leave the sweetener out of the coffee -- after the first couple of donuts you won't miss it, and besides all that coffee sweetener is fattening and not super healthy :-)


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Krispy Kreme Donuts..... I remember getting really drunk one night!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I went by KK and the Hot sign was on so I bought a dozen.... Took them home and proceeded on eat one.... then two......then three..... etc.... after about six I felt kinda funny so I layed down.....GREAT..... A little while later a friend called.... I answered the phone.... His reply..... BOB ARE YOU DRUNK????..
> No im finnnneeeee... etc.... Well I was really slurring my words and feeling good..... SUGAR DRUNK HIGH!!!!!!  Bob Conner
>
> --- On Tue, 2/14/12, Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Krispy Kreme flatcar Photos Posted
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 10:58 AM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Krispy Kremes must be eaten only when the "Hot n Now" sign is lighted (i.e., they are fresh off the production line). This way they just melt in your mouth and you don't consume any calories while eating a dozen by yourself. ;<)
>
> Joe
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@> wrote:
> >
> > While the Krispy Kreme donuts sold by out local Kroger stores has put me off that brand, your flatcar project is very neat! A good job with the trucks and the car's decking and chocking.
> > I love to see something done with imagination and skill rather than right out of the box. I might even go try a dozen Krispy Kremes to see if they have been improved in the past three years.
> > Stumpy in Ahia
> >
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68391 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Remembering the "Good Old Days"
I've been having another round of computer trouble here in the land of Crumcast, so this is my first chance to check back here.
In case you haven't figured it out yet, my earlier memories were posted in reverse order, Krispy Kreme vs Spudnut should have gone first.
I haven't been back to Zanesville's old B&O depot for some years, so I cannot even guess the parentage of the caboose on display there now. They were still using all wooden cabooses when I lived there.
A&W Rootbeer stands, another treat for us which came along a little later than my earlier stories when Dad could afford more "extras." Remember when you bought A&W in the "megaphone" container just before football season? Drink the rootbeer, pop the cardboard ends out, and cheer for your team!
I also recall a drive-in outfit called Dog & Suds which was an A&W competitor in the region for many years.
While folks on the upper East Coast remember Moxie, in Zanesville we had Squirt. My aunt worked at the bottling plant and got it for the old 5 cent price. She always brought a six pack of Squirt when she came to visit.
Oh, heck, I could go on and on about those days, and wish I could go back and do it all again. I've reached that age when you realize you have more memories than days ahead.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68392 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: S-Fest Posted
I like that Fest car :)

Roy Inman



From: Doug S <omaha@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:26:50 +0000
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] S-Fest Posted






Our webpage now has the most current information regarding the Fall S-Fest
held in the midwest each year. Click to check it out as well as the history
of the groups regarding this event.
http://www.trainweb.org/bsg/events/sfest.htm
Doug S.
Webmaster








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Group: S-Trains Message: 68393 From: alsflyer Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Spudnuts - Yum!
Oh man, Spudnuts were very popular when I was young. They were made with potato flour. That gave them a very distinct taste and the flavor you could not forget.

Al in Layton, Utah
Group: S-Trains Message: 68394 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: Spudnuts - Yum!
Sounds ugly (spudnuts) compared to just made, hot, off the production
line KK's and Dunkin Doughnuts when they were made at the Dunkin
Doughnuts place. Now DD's are made at a central location and delivered
to the various DD locations, and they definitely don't taste as good as
they once did.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway - just back from a visit to the States
with a few visits to DD's)

On 2/15/2012 08:23, alsflyer wrote:
>
> Oh man, Spudnuts were very popular when I was young. They were made
> with potato flour. That gave them a very distinct taste and the flavor
> you could not forget.
>
> Al in Layton, Utah
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68395 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION
Hi all:
Just a note to say that one can't always go by names. For example,
fluorene is an aromatic hydrocarbon that doesn't contain fluorine. I
remember it well since I had it as an unknown in advanced organic
class. I identified it as fluorene by all sorts of tests, but could
never get a positive halogen test. I finally (rather stupid for not
doing it sooner) looked up the compound and found the structure, etc.
Well, so goes life.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 2/15/2012 00:48, Gerald Feldman wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Well, duh. My bad. I think the technical name for that is a brain f***.
> Besides, Freon is a chloro-fluorocarbon. I should have caught that one.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jerry
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf
> Of bull_gator_1
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:49 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION
>
> Jerry,
>
> Methylene chloride is not a fluoro-carbon. It has no fluorine.
>
> David
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68396 From: alsflyer Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Glueing ladders
I have found a superb glue that will glue just about any plastic except for vinyl plastics. It is called WELD-ON. It is a clear water-like liquid that is thinner than water and flows very fast so when you apply it you do not need a lot to accomplish you task. It comes in a metal can, 4 fl. oz. It welds Butyrate, Polycarbonate, and styrene acrylics and other plastics in the same groups of plastics.

The vapor is very harmful so you want to keep the lid screwed on tight. This glue dissolves the plastic pieces to be welded together so that it creates fast drying liquid plastics that flow and intergrate with each other and solidify in less than 2 minutes. The plastics being glued together do not have to be the same type. I have glued styrene with butyrate and they form a perfect bond.

I have come up with a special way to make a liquid plastic that you can scoop up with a popcycle stick and apply to damaged items to repair large areas. Let it dry for a couple of days and then repaint your item. I have repaired holes as big as my fist in the hills used on the AF All Aboard sets. I have created new mountains and hills by using rubber molds coated with a very light layer of vasoline to prevent the liquid plastic sticking to the mold. I apply layers of plastic on each of these items until I feel they are very strong and will hold up to heavy use, let them dry good, and paint them. I will post some pics showing repairs to the All Aboard hills.

Al in Layton, Utah
Group: S-Trains Message: 68397 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION
As soon as I saw the words "Methylene Chloride," red flags went up in my mind. Please, exercise EXTREME caution if you're planning to use this potent chemical. While not a scientist or a chemist, I will attest to the danger posed. As any old pressman knows, methylene chloride was widely used for years as a deglazer for hard rubber printing press ink rollers and wheels, and is the best product I've ever seen for that purpose. But there's a downside.

As has been stated, it is a suspected carcinogen (NOW they tell me, after getting it on my fingers for years!). Modelists should be very careful--it will strip paint immediately, so keep it away from painted surfaces of any kind. The vapors are heavier than air, and will pool in low spots. I remember one press operator in Boise who was discovered unconscious on the floor next to her press. She had filled her blanket-cleaning reservoir with methylene chloride (stupid, as it evaporates quickly), and put her face low next to the press's register board to look closely. The vapors filled her lungs and she passed out.

Powerful solvent, but dangerous. I've got enough in my system, so I'd recommend another product.

YourS,
John Eichmann
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68398 From: race944t Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: KK & trains
As anyone in the Tidewater and Carolinas divisions of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers can attest, I'm a KK nut. I have every store downloaded into my gps and if I get within 2 miles a "GONG" goes off. This is really valuable to the club when we do a show in a new city. Two dozen don't last long with our club.

To recreate the KK "Hot Now" at home 10 sec in the microwave does wonders!

"Banker" Bill

PS. Hey guys, KK this weekend for the Clifton Forge, C&O Rry Historical Show. I'm very familiar with the store in Roanoke :-)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68399 From: NEIL Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Repair help #2
OK, I need to pick your brains again. I have 336 Northern and when I activate the whistle it works well but the speaker gets hot after a bit and it causes the voltage to the rest of the unit to drop and cycles the reverse unit. Is this common? Does it need a resistor or a new capacitor?

Neil
Group: S-Trains Message: 68400 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: plug rewire
Thanks everyone for the tips.  It worked out fine.  I had to pull pretty hard to get the pin out but I went for it on your advice.  
ThanksNeil

--- On Tue, 2/14/12, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] plug rewire
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 2:38 AM
















 









Hi Neil,

                      Do not solder the wire. The plastic will melt.    Pull the brass prong out of the hole.  Strip the wire to be inserted.  Insert the wire. Tap the brass prong through the other hole over the wire.

                                                        Tom Seccia



________________________________

From: NEIL <bowlsalot2@...>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:43 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] plug rewire





 

Hi all,



I have a 5 digit AF with the 2 prong plastic plug and one wire has come loose from the plug. How do you re-attach the wire. I assume you can't solder it in without melting the plastic. Is there a plug available that is pre-wired?



Thank in advance

Neil



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68401 From: Patrick McElroy Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: AF Items
I am thinning out my collection and have the following items for sale. Figured I would post them here before going to ebay. All items are new in box. I listed the Greenburg Price next to each one for reference only, please feel free to make an offer. If interested contact me off list at ilmj@....

American Flyer by Lionel
9201 B&O Hopper 1981 $32
9702 B&O Sentinel Boxcar 1981 $52
48603 Wabash Hopper with coal load 1988 $26
48725 NYC Caboose 2003 $48
48230 TCA NTTM Gondola with pipe load 2003 $60
48234 TCA NTTM Boxcar 2004 $55
48240 TCA NTTM Combine 2005 $73
48228 NASG 2002 Cook Paint and Varnish Tank Car $117
48255 TTOS 2007 PRR 2-bay Hopper with coal load $68
48227 TTOS 2002 D&S Hopper $60

Thanks
Pat

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68402 From: Bob C Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Layouts Needed For Orange County (CA) Tours
Model Railroads of Southern California will sponsor three model railroad
layout tours in Orange County on April 28, May 12 and May 19 (All
Saturdays). These will be free, self-guided layout tours.

If you live in Orange County and have an operating layout I'd like
you to consider being a part of a tour.

Participating in a layout tour is a great way to share your work and
meet your fellow model railroaders. You've probably worked hard on
your layout so you might as well get some recognition from people who
will appreciate your efforts.

All you need to do is operate your trains. I will do all the planning
and publicity, as I have done for twenty-nine previously tours since
2006.

If you have any questions before committing to the tour, please ask. In
any event, please contact me OFF LIST in the next few weeks if you are
interested.

If you do not have a layout but know someone who does, please pass this
request on to them or let me know how to contact them.

I hope you'll join with other area layout owners and show your
layout to your fellow model railroaders.

Thank you.

Bob Chaparro

Model Railroads of Southern California

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/>

Hemet, CA

chiefbobbb@... <mailto:chiefbobbb@...>

+++++

Tour Areas:

Tour No. 30 – April 28 (Primarily South O.C.)

Tour No. 31 – May 12 (Primarily North O.C.)

Tour No. 32 – May 19 (Primarily West O.C.)



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68403 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: Glueing ladders
Hi Al,



Weld-On is the brand name for a series of solvent cements manufactured by
IPS. Which number weld-on cement is this?



Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of alsflyer
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:56 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Glueing ladders





I have found a superb glue that will glue just about any plastic except for
vinyl plastics. It is called WELD-ON. It is a clear water-like liquid that
is thinner than water and flows very fast so when you apply it you do not
need a lot to accomplish you task. It comes in a metal can, 4 fl. oz. It
welds Butyrate, Polycarbonate, and styrene acrylics and other plastics in
the same groups of plastics.

The vapor is very harmful so you want to keep the lid screwed on tight. This
glue dissolves the plastic pieces to be welded together so that it creates
fast drying liquid plastics that flow and intergrate with each other and
solidify in less than 2 minutes. The plastics being glued together do not
have to be the same type. I have glued styrene with butyrate and they form a
perfect bond.

I have come up with a special way to make a liquid plastic that you can
scoop up with a popcycle stick and apply to damaged items to repair large
areas. Let it dry for a couple of days and then repaint your item. I have
repaired holes as big as my fist in the hills used on the AF All Aboard
sets. I have created new mountains and hills by using rubber molds coated
with a very light layer of vasoline to prevent the liquid plastic sticking
to the mold. I apply layers of plastic on each of these items until I feel
they are very strong and will hold up to heavy use, let them dry good, and
paint them. I will post some pics showing repairs to the All Aboard hills.

Al in Layton, Utah





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68404 From: Ted Walton Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION- FLOURINE CHEMISTRY
Rance

I'm sure you know now ( I believe that you are a practicing chemist)
that fluorine is not a typical halogen (that's what makes it so
interesting to work with). Silver Fluoride (AgF) is very soluble in
water ( the others are not) and the standard test for the other
halogens(Cl, Br, and I) when treated with soluble Silver Nitrate is
to look for the characteristic precipitate after the usual fusion of
the unknown with Sodium. Taught Organic Qual in graduate school back
in the 50's. Two many years in working with organic fluorine
compounds, and after being retired for over 20 years from my field, I
could not resist following up with a comment. Hope the rest will
forgive me for being so far off train subject - I usually blast
others for taking such liberties.

Ted Walton, Annandale, VA

At 07:12 AM 2/15/2012, you wrote:

>
>Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION- FLOURINE CHEMISTRY
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Posted by: "Rance Velapoldi" <mailto:rvelapoldi@...?Subject=
>Re%3A%20TENAX-7R%20Plastic%20Welder%20-%20CAUTION>rvelapoldi@...
><http://profiles.yahoo.com/velapoldinetcomno>velapoldinetcomno
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:49 am (PST)
>
>
>
>
>Just a note to say that one can't always go by names. For example,
>fluorene is an aromatic hydrocarbon that doesn't contain fluorine. I
>remember it well since I had it as an unknown in advanced organic
>class. I identified it as fluorene by all sorts of tests, but could
>never get a positive halogen test. I finally (rather stupid for not
>doing it sooner) looked up the compound and found the structure,
>etc. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68405 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Old Flyer for sale
To all:

Fred¹s Train Shop www.fredstrainshop.com in Overland Park, KS has a bunch of
Gilbert Flyer engines for sale, Flyer accessories and rolling stock, plus
some SHS rolling stock, new Flyonel molded in road bed track. I think most
of it is not listed on the web site.

Just FYI.

Roy Inmn


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68406 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION- FLOURINE CHEMISTRY
From; Alan Lambert
Coming from you someone with knowledge on the subject helps others. They were looking for answers, and got them. The train content was forgotten,about, but
when a subject is relivent it should be allowed to a point. I think with this post the subject is over. I will not answer about the chemistry part anymore.
Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: Ted Walton <trwalton@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:05 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION- FLOURINE CHEMISTRY



 

Rance

I'm sure you know now ( I believe that you are a practicing chemist)
that fluorine is not a typical halogen (that's what makes it so
interesting to work with). Silver Fluoride (AgF) is very soluble in
water ( the others are not) and the standard test for the other
halogens(Cl, Br, and I) when treated with soluble Silver Nitrate is
to look for the characteristic precipitate after the usual fusion of
the unknown with Sodium. Taught Organic Qual in graduate school back
in the 50's. Two many years in working with organic fluorine
compounds, and after being retired for over 20 years from my field, I
could not resist following up with a comment. Hope the rest will
forgive me for being so far off train subject - I usually blast
others for taking such liberties.

Ted Walton, Annandale, VA

At 07:12 AM 2/15/2012, you wrote:

>
>Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION- FLOURINE CHEMISTRY
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Posted by: "Rance Velapoldi" <mailto:rvelapoldi@...?Subject=
>Re%3A%20TENAX-7R%20Plastic%20Welder%20-%20CAUTION>rvelapoldi@...
><http://profiles.yahoo.com/velapoldinetcomno>velapoldinetcomno
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:49 am (PST)
>
>
>
>
>Just a note to say that one can't always go by names. For example,
>fluorene is an aromatic hydrocarbon that doesn't contain fluorine. I
>remember it well since I had it as an unknown in advanced organic
>class. I identified it as fluorene by all sorts of tests, but could
>never get a positive halogen test. I finally (rather stupid for not
>doing it sooner) looked up the compound and found the structure,
>etc. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68407 From: Jimbo Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: turntables
out of curiosity i looked on ebay and did train turntable search and a few O scale motorised came up, alot of motors for ho adaptable? but it is something to look at, tks Jim
Group: S-Trains Message: 68408 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: Old Flyer for sale
this is the same old page that they have had up for at least the last
6 months,
once you try to access any content you come up with an error code,
they must
have either run out of money or lost their webmaster
mel perry
Group: S-Trains Message: 68409 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Re: Old Flyer for sale
Not on the web site.

Need to call to check with Fred.

Roy



From: "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:26:56 -0800
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Old Flyer for sale






this is the same old page that they have had up for at least the last
6 months,
once you try to access any content you come up with an error code,
they must
have either run out of money or lost their webmaster
mel perry







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Group: S-Trains Message: 68410 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION- FLOURINE CHEMISTRY
Hmmm, the subject line says flourine, as I think that is what is used in David’s Dewey’s Pumpkin Funnel Cakes at SHS Field in my little town. That is the secret ingredient that gives David’s funnel cake that feeling of zest appeal.

Flourine is a deadly item only in donuts and funnel cakes in the town of D&K RR.

We get covered hoppers full of it everyday delivered to J Lechner’s Food Co. for distribution to SHS field and the local A&P.

Hugo
Leader of the D&K RR

From: Alan Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:02 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION- FLOURINE CHEMISTRY


From; Alan Lambert
Coming from you someone with knowledge on the subject helps others. They were looking for answers, and got them. The train content was forgotten,about, but
when a subject is relivent it should be allowed to a point. I think with this post the subject is over. I will not answer about the chemistry part anymore.
Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: Ted Walton <mailto:trwalton%40verizon.net>
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:05 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION- FLOURINE CHEMISTRY




Rance

I'm sure you know now ( I believe that you are a practicing chemist)
that fluorine is not a typical halogen (that's what makes it so
interesting to work with). Silver Fluoride (AgF) is very soluble in
water ( the others are not) and the standard test for the other
halogens(Cl, Br, and I) when treated with soluble Silver Nitrate is
to look for the characteristic precipitate after the usual fusion of
the unknown with Sodium. Taught Organic Qual in graduate school back
in the 50's. Two many years in working with organic fluorine
compounds, and after being retired for over 20 years from my field, I
could not resist following up with a comment. Hope the rest will
forgive me for being so far off train subject - I usually blast
others for taking such liberties.

Ted Walton, Annandale, VA

At 07:12 AM 2/15/2012, you wrote:

>
>Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION- FLOURINE CHEMISTRY
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Posted by: "Rance Velapoldi" <mailto:mailto:rvelapoldi%40gmail.com?Subject=
>Re%3A%20TENAX-7R%20Plastic%20Welder%20-%20CAUTION>mailto:rvelapoldi%40gmail.com
><http://profiles.yahoo.com/velapoldinetcomno>velapoldinetcomno
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:49 am (PST)
>
>
>
>
>Just a note to say that one can't always go by names. For example,
>fluorene is an aromatic hydrocarbon that doesn't contain fluorine. I
>remember it well since I had it as an unknown in advanced organic
>class. I identified it as fluorene by all sorts of tests, but could
>never get a positive halogen test. I finally (rather stupid for not
>doing it sooner) looked up the compound and found the structure,
>etc. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68411 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Turntable Recommendation
For those who don't belong to the NASG, there was a good article on
converting a Heljan (HO) turntable to S standard gauge in the June 2011
Dispatch.
Jeff Madden

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:31 AM, hoquathob <Hoquat63@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hoquat Hobbies stocks the Peco On-3 turntable - I am pretty sure we have a
> couple on the self at present. (or if you have a favorite local shop, they
> can get it for you thru Walthers).
>
> Jeff Wilson
> Hoquat Hobbies
>
> --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, "adguytrains" <robert_hogan@...> wrote:
> >
> > John...
> > I built (converted to S) and reviewed the Peco turntable in the S
> Gaugian a while back.
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68412 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Donut Wars?
I'm afraid my experience has me falling on the side of Mister Spudnut. Compared to my mis-adventures with Krispy Kreme I'd call the KK ugly tasting!
But we're starting to wander toward another electronic confrontation as we recenty saw with the eBay thing. I can't keep up with Mikey, who has been posting seven times more often per day that anyone else can, so we "Spudnutters" would lose! :-)
Besides, while the memories have been fun, we've wandered far from train content.
By the way, "KK" is well known in auto racing circles as standing for Kurtis Kraft, who built many Indianapolis 500 winners in the fifties. In fact, one year the entire 33 car field were KK cars! They also dominated Midget Racing in the late forties and early fifties.
Okay, let's play with our trains!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68413 From: Wayne B. Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Re: TENAX-7R Plastic Welder - CAUTION
Well John...I had no idea that you were in printing.  Had I known I would have said something when I came up to Idaho Falls to see your great layout a few years ago.  I have run small presses, but spent most of my time making plates for many pressman for years.  Then went on to run a black and white camera, color camera, then  a million dollar color scanner, the cutting edge at the time.
 
Wayne Broadhead
Golden Spike American Flyer Train club
Salt Lake City

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68414 From: timstrains2000 Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Re: Donut Wars?
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> I'm afraid my experience has me falling on the side of Mister Spudnut. Compared to my mis-adventures with Krispy Kreme I'd call the KK ugly tasting!
> But we're starting to wander toward another electronic confrontation as we recenty saw with the eBay thing. I can't keep up with Mikey, who has been posting seven times more often per day that anyone else can, so we "Spudnutters" would lose! :-)
> Besides, while the memories have been fun, we've wandered far from train content.
> By the way, "KK" is well known in auto racing circles as standing for Kurtis Kraft, who built many Indianapolis 500 winners in the fifties. In fact, one year the entire 33 car field were KK cars! They also dominated Midget Racing in the late forties and early fifties.
> Okay, let's play with our trains!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Stumpy,

I think your comments are spot on and you cleverly spun an anecdote to dramatize it. I like whimsy as much or more than anyone - ON THE LAYOUT. However, as a long-standing member of this Forum, I don't appreciate seeing it get dumbed down sometimes. It's embarrassing, when I think of newbies or other casual observers seeing someone making MANY daily posts on the most trivial of subjects.

Stumpy, please loan me your flame-proof suit. Time for me to get some use from it, too.

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68415 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Houston Train Show This Weekend
Hi All,

It's difficult to believe but there is another train show in Houston this weekend right on the heels of last weekend's Train Expo. This weekend's event is the 2012 Greater Houston Train Show. Its being held at the Stafford Center. It will be interesting to see how much, if any, vintage AF is available.

Wish me luck!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68416 From: R G Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Turntable Recommendation
I was recently at a train show at the Timonium Fairgounds Maryland and picked up a Wilson's HO turntable, the pit and motor assembly for $20.00/ New old stock. The HO track came off with no problem. Put a length of S flex track on it. The turntable will handle up to a Flyer Pacific.  Now to make a module to fit it. I already have an engine house!



________________________________
From: Jeffrey Madden <nasgdispatch@...>
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:07 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Turntable Recommendation


 
For those who don't belong to the NASG, there was a good article on
converting a Heljan (HO) turntable to S standard gauge in the June 2011
Dispatch.
Jeff Madden

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:31 AM, hoquathob <Hoquat63@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hoquat Hobbies stocks the Peco On-3 turntable - I am pretty sure we have a
> couple on the self at present. (or if you have a favorite local shop, they
> can get it for you thru Walthers).
>
> Jeff Wilson
> Hoquat Hobbies
>
> --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, "adguytrains" <robert_hogan@...> wrote:
> >
> > John...
> > I built (converted to S) and reviewed the Peco turntable in the S
> Gaugian a while back.
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68417 From: R G Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Re: Donut Wars?
Stumpy the first time I had Krispy Kream was in Louisville Kentucky 1978, Did not like then then, the plain glaze ones are fine when hot but other flavors just don't taste as good as Duncan Donuts.  I am not much of a donut eater so it really does not matter much to me.



________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:52 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Donut Wars?


 
I'm afraid my experience has me falling on the side of Mister Spudnut. Compared to my mis-adventures with Krispy Kreme I'd call the KK ugly tasting!
But we're starting to wander toward another electronic confrontation as we recenty saw with the eBay thing. I can't keep up with Mikey, who has been posting seven times more often per day that anyone else can, so we "Spudnutters" would lose! :-)
Besides, while the memories have been fun, we've wandered far from train content.
By the way, "KK" is well known in auto racing circles as standing for Kurtis Kraft, who built many Indianapolis 500 winners in the fifties. In fact, one year the entire 33 car field were KK cars! They also dominated Midget Racing in the late forties and early fifties.
Okay, let's play with our trains!
Stumpy in Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68418 From: EdSauers Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: B&O Caboose Decals
Group,

I have B&O Caboose decals sets (printed by Kadee) available directly from me. This decal set will letter any B&O caboose from 1900 to 1965, all eras and all caboose classes. The cost is $8 per set (this is a full 8X10" set) plus $3 shipping per order. It is possible to decal 2 cabooses if they are of different ears or classes. Please contact me at edsauers@... if interested.

Thanks

Ed Sauers
Modeling the B&O in Charles Town, WV
Group: S-Trains Message: 68419 From: Edward Sauers Date: 2/16/2012
Subject: Can Motors for sale
Group
 
I have 2 new can motors for sale, they came out of my SMMWs FM H10-44 kits. The are new 18x33mm with 2mm double shafts.
 
Asking $20 each plus shipping or both for $30 and I will cover the shipping.
 
Please contact me at edsauers@...  if interested.
 
Thanks
 
Ed Sauers

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68420 From: Gregg Date: 2/17/2012
Subject: Doodlebug Project
FYI... from the S Traction List...

Doodlebug Project
Posted by: "david" dguillaudeu@... va02creeper
Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:18 am (PST)


Hi All,

This subject is slightly off topic but I thought some of you might be interested.

Gerry Siegel is willing to produce doodlebug in either kit or ready to run versions.

Is there any interest here?

I will be posting most of my messages on the doodlebug project on the S Scale group.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68421 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 2/17/2012
Subject: Re: Doodlebug Project
Uhhh, the big questions are - RTR, painted, price??? Jeff Madden

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Gregg <amflyer336@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> FYI... from the S Traction List...
>
> Doodlebug Project
> Posted by: "david" dguillaudeu@... va02creeper
> Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:18 am (PST)
>
> Hi All,
>
> This subject is slightly off topic but I thought some of you might be
> interested.
>
> Gerry Siegel is willing to produce doodlebug in either kit or ready to run
> versions.
>
> Is there any interest here?
>
> I will be posting most of my messages on the doodlebug project on the S
> Scale group.
>
> David
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68422 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/17/2012
Subject: Train Show - Saline Mich - Sat & Sun
The Ann Arbor Model RR Club is holding its annual Train Show his Saturday, 10 am - 4 pm, and Sunday 10 am - 3 pm, at the Saline Middle School, 7190 No Maple Rd, Saline Mich.

400+ Tables, Operating Layouts, Free Rafle, and lots of dealers. I'll be there too, selling AM, SHS, PRS, DPH, SMMW, &c. I don't have AF, new or used, but most of what I have is AF-compatible, and I'm sure AF dealers will be there.

Tom Hawley -- Michigan Models
http://michmod.com


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68424 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/18/2012
Subject: Union Pacific Derailment
Well, It happened again. Same track different location.. This time only one train involved in the heart of Arlington, Texas. Could have been a sticky problem with at least one tank car filled with Corn Syrip toppled of of the track. In all 4 tank cars and 2 empty box cars were involed. I don't think any of the sticky stuff spilled out of the overturned tank car. The others were still upright,except for the box cars. They caused major track damage. Cause still not known. One picture showed 1 axle with the wheel down on theaxle from where it should have been. The Article is in the Saturday Morning Fort Worth, Texas Star Telegram.Pictures are at star-telegram.com/photos .Just another derailment withi 6 months. The first one was engineer not heeding Stop signal and rearending a stoped train.
Have fun with trains today,
Alan
Group: S-Trains Message: 68425 From: IdahoFalls Date: 2/18/2012
Subject: Re: Doodlebug Project
Very interesting...details please.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Madden <nasgdispatch@...> wrote:
>
> Uhhh, the big questions are - RTR, painted, price??? Jeff Madden
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Gregg <amflyer336@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > FYI... from the S Traction List...
> >
> > Doodlebug Project
> > Posted by: "david" dguillaudeu@... va02creeper
> > Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:18 am (PST)
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > This subject is slightly off topic but I thought some of you might be
> > interested.
> >
> > Gerry Siegel is willing to produce doodlebug in either kit or ready to run
> > versions.
> >
> > Is there any interest here?
> >
> > I will be posting most of my messages on the doodlebug project on the S
> > Scale group.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68426 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/18/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/19/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday February 19, 2012
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
Copyright © 2012  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68427 From: dlkeil Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Re: Doodlebug Project
details and cost

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "IdahoFalls" <beyondnauvoo@...> wrote:
>
>
> Very interesting...details please.
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Madden <nasgdispatch@> wrote:
> >
> > Uhhh, the big questions are - RTR, painted, price??? Jeff Madden
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Gregg <amflyer336@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > FYI... from the S Traction List...
> > >
> > > Doodlebug Project
> > > Posted by: "david" dguillaudeu@ va02creeper
> > > Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:18 am (PST)
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > This subject is slightly off topic but I thought some of you might be
> > > interested.
> > >
> > > Gerry Siegel is willing to produce doodlebug in either kit or ready to run
> > > versions.
> > >
> > > Is there any interest here?
> > >
> > > I will be posting most of my messages on the doodlebug project on the S
> > > Scale group.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68428 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: 2012 Greater Houston Train Show
Hi All,

The 2012 Greater Houston Train Show seemed to be a success yesterday although we had 4" or more of rain Friday night and Saturday morning. There appeared to be a bigger crowd than last year.

Hits: I bought a S-Helper undecorated PS-2 hopper car for $10, a nice AF 639 box car for $5 and a Bachmann On30 Captain Lawrence Brew Pub billboard reefer for $20 to convert to S.

Misses: One seller had a 9991 box with a "set" of mismatched stuff including a 21004. He was asking $400 for the set. I just need the box, but he was not interested in just selling the box. Maybe I should have gotten the "set" but the box was torn in several places and I had everything else except the 21004. He also had a Franklin set but I don't need another of those.

Other than that not much S-gauge to be found.

And so it goes in the deep south!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68429 From: rapidrail1 Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: New Circus car photos
I have completed some new circus cars and placed photos in the photos section under Waynes Circus cars.

Caboose: This is a Gilbert caboose with Flyonel trucks and LBR decal. These are great decals so why re-invent the wheel.

Flatcar with daredevil car loads. Finally, a use for all those cheap toy Hot Wheels hot rods. The car is a Flyonel UP flat car with my own custom decals.

Flatcar with bus and speaker truck: The flat car is a repro from Joes Train Repair with my own decals and Lledo car loads.

Flatcar with vendor vans: Another repro flat car from a recent train show that was already decorated. I added the Matchbox vendor vans load.

Upcoming projects are two more repro flat cars with loads from American Dimestore cars and a pair of Custom American Flyer Circus PAs custom painted and decorated with repro dry transfers. When this last one is finished, I will add photos here and a video on Youtube.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 68430 From: Timboy Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Re: New Circus car photos
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote:
>
> I have completed some new circus cars and placed photos in the photos section under Waynes Circus cars.
>
> Caboose: This is a Gilbert caboose with Flyonel trucks and LBR decal. These are great decals so why re-invent the wheel.
>
> Flatcar with daredevil car loads. Finally, a use for all those cheap toy Hot Wheels hot rods. The car is a Flyonel UP flat car with my own custom decals.
>
> Flatcar with bus and speaker truck: The flat car is a repro from Joes Train Repair with my own decals and Lledo car loads.
>
> Flatcar with vendor vans: Another repro flat car from a recent train show that was already decorated. I added the Matchbox vendor vans load.
>
> Upcoming projects are two more repro flat cars with loads from American Dimestore cars and a pair of Custom American Flyer Circus PAs custom painted and decorated with repro dry transfers. When this last one is finished, I will add photos here and a video on Youtube.
>
> Wayne
>
Wayne: Nice work! Love your color palette and your decals. Easiest way for me to see your pics was to go to the last page in the "Photos" section, then thumb back and use the slide show function. You've got the Circus theme knocked down cold.

David: Good to hear you are out & about with business as usual. Nice snags!

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68431 From: Al Baker Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: AF Set Prices?
I'm trying to help a friend get a ball park idea of the value of two Gilbert AF sets.

First is a Set # 5001T (300AC Loco) It has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes.

Second is Set # 5112T (370 Loco). Likewise, it has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes.

He is interested in prices that might be obtained at a train show. Is $200 for each about right? Is one markedly more valuable than the other?

I am not a collector of sets so I'm not real knowledgeable about them.

Thanks in advance.

Al Baker
Group: S-Trains Message: 68432 From: Al Baker Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Re: AF Set Prices?
Maybe some more detail will help:

First is a Set # 5001T with 300AC Loco(runs great), 631, 638(or 630?), 639(yellow), 640. It has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes.

Second is Set # 5112T with 370 Loco (doesn't run, looks pretty good with pretty good decals), 633 (red), 715 (very nice), 63X(0?). Likewise, it has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes. (after a quick look, I think the 370 e-unit needs new fingers and reconnect wires that someone disconnected.)

All train items look quite good - not beat-up, paint, lettering good.

Al


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to help a friend get a ball park idea of the value of two Gilbert AF sets.
>
> First is a Set # 5001T (300AC Loco) It has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes.
>
> Second is Set # 5112T (370 Loco). Likewise, it has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes.
>
> He is interested in prices that might be obtained at a train show. Is $200 for each about right? Is one markedly more valuable than the other?
>
> I am not a collector of sets so I'm not real knowledgeable about them.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Al Baker
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68433 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Re: AF Set Prices?
Al,

Per the new TM guide, the 5001T = $3,000 in excellent condition, but with boxes and all paper.

The 5112T = $700 in excellent condition, but with boxes and all paper.

Bruce



From: Al Baker
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 1:17 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Set Prices?



I'm trying to help a friend get a ball park idea of the value of two Gilbert AF sets.

First is a Set # 5001T (300AC Loco) It has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes.

Second is Set # 5112T (370 Loco). Likewise, it has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes.

He is interested in prices that might be obtained at a train show. Is $200 for each about right? Is one markedly more valuable than the other?

I am not a collector of sets so I'm not real knowledgeable about them.

Thanks in advance.

Al Baker





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68434 From: Neil Trump Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Re: AF Set Prices?
You don't mention condition, if parts are broken, missing, do they run etc etc.

Where did you pluck that $200 from, just a guess or based on your own evaluation? If this is the case why ask?

Your best bet is to have a look at completed eBay sales on similar condition items and offer at a sensible price below this.

Neil

.




On 19 Feb 2012, at 21:17, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:

> I'm trying to help a friend get a ball park idea of the value of two Gilbert AF sets.
>
> First is a Set # 5001T (300AC Loco) It has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes.
>
> Second is Set # 5112T (370 Loco). Likewise, it has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes.
>
> He is interested in prices that might be obtained at a train show. Is $200 for each about right? Is one markedly more valuable than the other?
>
> I am not a collector of sets so I'm not real knowledgeable about them.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Al Baker
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68435 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/19/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday February 19, 2012
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68436 From: johntech Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Adding LED lighting to your layout
Here is a link I found that will help you add LED's to your layout lighting needs
AC, DC and DCC

http://2railoscale.blogspot.com/2011/11/fun-with-leds.html

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68437 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Re: AF Set Prices?
Maybe this will help...............................
 
Per the new TM guide, the 5001T = $3,000 in excellent condition, but with boxes and all paper.
 
5001T set with all paperwork, Etc.. Nice..... 2250.00
5001T set NO PAPER.... Etc... Nice...... 125.00

The 5112T = $700 in excellent condition, but with boxes and all paper.
 
5112T set No Paper.... Nice.... Needs servicing..... 350.00
 
Contact me off line if you want these.... Have many other sets
 
Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 2/19/12, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote:


From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Set Prices?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 19, 2012, 4:46 PM



 




Al,

Per the new TM guide, the 5001T = $3,000 in excellent condition, but with boxes and all paper.

The 5112T = $700 in excellent condition, but with boxes and all paper.

Bruce

From: Al Baker
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 1:17 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Set Prices?

I'm trying to help a friend get a ball park idea of the value of two Gilbert AF sets.

First is a Set # 5001T (300AC Loco) It has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes.

Second is Set # 5112T (370 Loco). Likewise, it has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes.

He is interested in prices that might be obtained at a train show. Is $200 for each about right? Is one markedly more valuable than the other?

I am not a collector of sets so I'm not real knowledgeable about them.

Thanks in advance.

Al Baker

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68438 From: kathre1 Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Lionel AF Big Boy
I have to ask: Did anyone get a Big Boy with a Lionel magnetic coupler on the tender? Mine came that way. I have brushed this off up until now. The manual for this engine shows a Flyer coupler. So this is a weird one for me. Maybe I got a rare one! Anyway, I am going to be looking at buying a Lionel uncoupling track which hopefully can be "Kit bashed" to somehow work on my layout or I am just stuck with a fixed coupler on this engine. The Lionel coupler doesnt look easy to disengage from the tender without a lot of work.

JR
Group: S-Trains Message: 68439 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Big Boy
Here is a page that shows how to work on the coupler.
http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/coupler-repair/repairing_the_big_boy_coupler.htm
It is an Electro coupler or is suppose to be.

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of kathre1
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 8:42 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel AF Big Boy



I have to ask: Did anyone get a Big Boy with a Lionel magnetic coupler on
the tender? Mine came that way. I have brushed this off up until now. The
manual for this engine shows a Flyer coupler. So this is a weird one for me.
Maybe I got a rare one! Anyway, I am going to be looking at buying a Lionel
uncoupling track which hopefully can be "Kit bashed" to somehow work on my
layout or I am just stuck with a fixed coupler on this engine. The Lionel
coupler doesnt look easy to disengage from the tender without a lot of work.

JR






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Group: S-Trains Message: 68440 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/20/2012
Subject: A.F Set Prices
His set should be the "Farm Set" 5001-T. To receive the top value mentioned in prior emails, the set box and all dividing inserts ( barns, etc.) must be present in excellent condition. The trains in this set are not really worth very much, the packaging is the key.
As condition of said above declines, price will decline accordingly.

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68441 From: David Date: 2/20/2012
Subject: New Drive Wheel Tool (Advertisement)
As most of you repairmen know it can be a real problem to install the
rear drivers on the steam engines straight and to the proper depth. The
same goes for installing the other driver axles prior to quartering.
We are producing a new tool that will be avaliable shortly that
solves that little problem. A tool that is so simple and so necessary in
order to install the drivers properly.

Looks like this tool (instructions included) will be at our web
site in about 10 days or less so check in to our web site at

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>

from time to time in the "TOOL SECTION".

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68442 From: JAY KRUER Date: 2/20/2012
Subject: AF Challenger
Hi Carl,

I wonder if you could give me some advice regarding my greyhound challenger that I run in legacy.
It smoked great for two months and now I only get puffs of smoke at a crawl. When I increase the speed the smoke comes out but doesn't seem to be fan driven. I took the challenger apart and cleaned the smoke unit boards and replaced the fan driven motor. I got the new motor from a lionel dealer. BTW the white dot on the motor brush goes to the + positive red wire right?
It seems a little better but not like it was with the volumes of smoke when I original got it.
I opened the wick chamber and cleaned off the element. Should I replace the wick with new fiberglass? Or does all this sound like I need a new board?

Thanks for your time,

Jay Kruer
On Feb 19, 2012, at 5:55 PM, <carl@...> <carl@...> wrote:

> Here is a page that shows how to work on the coupler.
> http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/coupler-repair/repairing_the_big_boy_coupler.htm
> It is an Electro coupler or is suppose to be.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
> Of kathre1
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 8:42 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel AF Big Boy
>
> I have to ask: Did anyone get a Big Boy with a Lionel magnetic coupler on
> the tender? Mine came that way. I have brushed this off up until now. The
> manual for this engine shows a Flyer coupler. So this is a weird one for me.
> Maybe I got a rare one! Anyway, I am going to be looking at buying a Lionel
> uncoupling track which hopefully can be "Kit bashed" to somehow work on my
> layout or I am just stuck with a fixed coupler on this engine. The Lionel
> coupler doesnt look easy to disengage from the tender without a lot of work.
>
> JR
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68443 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 2/20/2012
Subject: Buffalo Creek & Gauley article
Gentlemen..



The S Sig at www.sscale.org is pleased to announce an illustrated article
by Brooks Stover which presents his philosophy and modeling efforts on his
well-known BC&G layout. Click on S SCALE PRODUCTS & RESOURCES and then
MODELING FROM THE PROTOTYPE and you will find it. Brooks' article is the
first of many about following a specific prototype with your modeling
efforts. Experts on a variety of roads are preparing articles listing S
scale products - both current and past - which are appropriate for a
road-specific layout. Road-specific listings of products and articles with
photographs will be appearing eventually for the NYC, UP, SP, MILW, etc.,
etc., etc. and..last, but not least....the PRR.



In addition, a quick glance at River Raisin Model's new USRA 0-6-0
locomotive is the latest entry in THE S SCALE JOURNAL. If you are
interested in this locomotive, there are some color photos and model details
included in the article.



The S Sig invites you to take a gander. More to come on a more-or-less
steady basis in the near future.



"S"incerely...Ed L.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68444 From: Jimbo Date: 2/20/2012
Subject: track cleaning car
does the track cleaning car work, worth getting to clean, are just to go with the set? also what bulbs can be purchased local to replace the toggel switch bulbs for the controller on the switch, geez thats a mouth full, just is there a local purchase i can buy to replace these bulbs. tks James
Group: S-Trains Message: 68445 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Re: track cleaning car
Switch control bulbs #432R and #432G are available. Please contact me off site seccia@... to buy some.
� Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: Jimbo <jad01@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 10:27 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] track cleaning car


 
does the track cleaning car work, worth getting to clean, are just to go with the set? also what bulbs can be purchased local to replace the toggel switch bulbs for the controller on the switch, geez thats a mouth full, just is there a local purchase i can buy to replace these bulbs. tks James




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68446 From: charlie and edith Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Plasticville Part
Greetings!
Searching for the yellow door for the O/S Plasticville Diner. Have tried Doug and Tom's sight and the "web" without success. Does anyone know of a person I can contact to try to locate this part?
Thanks for your help and best wishes,
Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68447 From: Al Baker Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Beginners questions about collecting AF Sets
As some of you know, I have a collection of over 100 S gauge and S scale locomotives, and my thrill is in producing never before seen variations by customizing and modifying. I am not the normal collector like many of you-all are. So I need to ask some basic beginner collector questions.

I have never had any interest in collecting Gilbert AF sets - until possibly now as I have an opportunity to purchase some.

Suppose one obtains a set in pretty decent condition, except one car is in poor shape. Is it considered ok to replace that car with a like one in better shape? Or is that not considered correct behavior to swap when it is not part of the original set? If any of this swapping is considered ok, is there some point where beyond which it is not considered ok?

It causes me to wonder, because I do repair and rebuild a lot of locomotives. If I take a nice very collectable locomotive from 1950, and replace a lost screw with one made in 2012, have I tarnished its collectors value? I suspect most would say no. But at what point can I replace parts before the value is degraded?

Looking forward to hearing responses.
Al Baker
Portland
Group: S-Trains Message: 68448 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Re: track cleaning car/ Bulbs
Switch Control Bulbs

You may want to seriously replace those switch controller bulbs with the ones that use LEDs. Those old bulbs get HOT! Plus, a layout with a lot of switches takes up a lot of power! Back in the days when you couldn't get bulbs dependably, we pulled the lever back and shut off the bulbs to save them, not to mention burned hands. Town & Country Hobbies is a good source for these--I'm sure there are others out there, too.

Steve

Please note: message attached

From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] track cleaning car
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:16:55 -0800 (PST)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68449 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Re: Plasticville Part
Charlie,


Try Bob Persing at his website http://bobbylines.blogspot.com


He is on this list from time to time,


His website shows the reproduction parts he makes and sells, but he also has lots of original loose parts as well. He may or may not have your specific item. His phone number is on his website. Give him a call.


Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...>
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:14:04 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Plasticville Part






Greetings!
Searching for the yellow door for the O/S Plasticville Diner. Have tried Doug and Tom's sight and the "web" without success. Does anyone know of a person I can contact to try to locate this part?
Thanks for your help and best wishes,
Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68450 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Re: Beginners questions about collecting AF Sets
To me it is viewpoint, I love that 60+ american flyers kits run and run well
after all these years, so whenever possible been staying to the traditional
parts, but I also understand the other side, the attraction of dcc are tmcc etc.
to update sets, I have seen good prices for both in just the little time I have
purchased stuff, although something radical altered dosnt do well, but there is
some raeality there, repalcing parts with new that meets are exceeds the orgianl
is fine, replacing bulbs with neons is safer, most people cannot rewind an old
engine so replacing it with a quality one is also fine, I think both are still
keeping the trains alive and fun. Long live S Gauge


tr


________________________________
From: Al Baker <albaker33@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 20, 2012 10:50:21 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Beginners questions about collecting AF Sets

 
As some of you know, I have a collection of over 100 S gauge and S scale
locomotives, and my thrill is in producing never before seen variations by
customizing and modifying. I am not the normal collector like many of you-all
are. So I need to ask some basic beginner collector questions.


I have never had any interest in collecting Gilbert AF sets - until possibly now
as I have an opportunity to purchase some.

Suppose one obtains a set in pretty decent condition, except one car is in poor
shape. Is it considered ok to replace that car with a like one in better shape?
Or is that not considered correct behavior to swap when it is not part of the
original set? If any of this swapping is considered ok, is there some point
where beyond which it is not considered ok?

It causes me to wonder, because I do repair and rebuild a lot of locomotives. If
I take a nice very collectable locomotive from 1950, and replace a lost screw
with one made in 2012, have I tarnished its collectors value? I suspect most
would say no. But at what point can I replace parts before the value is
degraded?

Looking forward to hearing responses.
Al Baker
Portland




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68451 From: Ben Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Re: New Circus car photos
Great work Wayne. The circus train is hands-down my favorite because there are so many things you can do with it.

I try to keep my loads in scope and scale to the "original" Flyer wagons. I have been comtemplating making a human cannonball truck for a long time. Yesterday I was up in my train room and looked at an old Marx truck and a discarded HO factory smokestack sitting near each other.

Let's just say the surgery has begun and painting will soon commence, and by combining the two pieces we will have our cannonball truck! The Marx piece offered a good base because it is the correct 1950's era and has awesome wheel well covers making it look art deco and perfect for the cannonball theme.

Keep up the good work. Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote:
>
> I have completed some new circus cars and placed photos in the photos section under Waynes Circus cars.
>
> Caboose: This is a Gilbert caboose with Flyonel trucks and LBR decal. These are great decals so why re-invent the wheel.
>
> Flatcar with daredevil car loads. Finally, a use for all those cheap toy Hot Wheels hot rods. The car is a Flyonel UP flat car with my own custom decals.
>
> Flatcar with bus and speaker truck: The flat car is a repro from Joes Train Repair with my own decals and Lledo car loads.
>
> Flatcar with vendor vans: Another repro flat car from a recent train show that was already decorated. I added the Matchbox vendor vans load.
>
> Upcoming projects are two more repro flat cars with loads from American Dimestore cars and a pair of Custom American Flyer Circus PAs custom painted and decorated with repro dry transfers. When this last one is finished, I will add photos here and a video on Youtube.
>
> Wayne
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68452 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Re: AF Challenger
Jay,

Are you sure the packing has a good charge of fluid or is not overfilled?
Filling locos with a double stack or bendy smoke pipe is tricky.
I started using a hypo syringe to measure the amount and also it helps
direct it into the smoke chamber.

Be sure the fan is actually turning when pulsed from the chuff switch.
Some motors will not turn and just wiggle when pulsed even when new.

Also legacy locos smoke runs best when track voltage is run close to 18 volts.
Using most AF transformers will not get the track voltage that high.

Think you are correct on the polarity. The fans will move air in either direction though since they are so small.

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of JAY KRUER
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 10:52 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Challenger



Hi Carl,

I wonder if you could give me some advice regarding my greyhound
challenger that I run in legacy.
It smoked great for two months and now I only get puffs of smoke at a
crawl. When I increase the speed the smoke comes out but doesn't seem to be
fan driven. I took the challenger apart and cleaned the smoke unit boards
and replaced the fan driven motor. I got the new motor from a lionel dealer.
BTW the white dot on the motor brush goes to the + positive red wire right?
It seems a little better but not like it was with the volumes of smoke
when I original got it.
I opened the wick chamber and cleaned off the element. Should I replace
the wick with new fiberglass? Or does all this sound like I need a new
board?

Thanks for your time,

Jay Kruer
On Feb 19, 2012, at 5:55 PM, <carl@...> <carl@...> wrote:

> Here is a page that shows how to work on the coupler.
>
http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/coupler-repair/repairing_the_big_boy_coupler.h
tm
> It is an Electro coupler or is suppose to be.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
> Of kathre1
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 8:42 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel AF Big Boy
>
> I have to ask: Did anyone get a Big Boy with a Lionel magnetic coupler
on
> the tender? Mine came that way. I have brushed this off up until now.
The
> manual for this engine shows a Flyer coupler. So this is a weird one for
me.
> Maybe I got a rare one! Anyway, I am going to be looking at buying a
Lionel
> uncoupling track which hopefully can be "Kit bashed" to somehow work on
my
> layout or I am just stuck with a fixed coupler on this engine. The
Lionel
> coupler doesnt look easy to disengage from the tender without a lot of
work.
>
> JR
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68453 From: Bob Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Announcement: 1:64 Modeling Guide Special Offer
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Best of all, you can get an issue for free!

How? Just send an e-mail to: RLNPublishing@... and type "Special Offer" in the Subject line. I'll send you the Winter, 2012 issue free. If you like it and want to subscribe, go to www.1-64ModelingGuide.com and sign up for a 1-year (4 issue) or 2-year (8 issue) subscription. If you don't like it, keep the issue as my gift for trying it out. There is no obligation, but you have to act fast. This offer ends February 29, 2012.

Bob Nalbone,
Editor & Publisher
Group: S-Trains Message: 68454 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Re: Beginners questions about collecting AF Sets
Hi Al,
� If you are trying to sell the piece to a collector, it may be an issue with replacement parts.  On steam locomotives the screws may be different from 1950 to 2012.  For example an S-14 Screws 6/32 x 1/4 would be a shiny plated screw compared to a 2012 version which usually is cadium. I sell the screws both original and repro. Many parts such as crosshead assemblies and valve linkage are not reproduced.  The best advice I can give you is, leave it alone if its all original even if its dirty and has rust.
Tom Seccia




________________________________
From: Al Baker <albaker33@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 10:50 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Beginners questions about collecting AF Sets


 
As some of you know, I have a collection of over 100 S gauge and S scale locomotives, and my thrill is in producing never before seen variations by customizing and modifying. I am not the normal collector like many of you-all are. So I need to ask some basic beginner collector questions.

I have never had any interest in collecting Gilbert AF sets - until possibly now as I have an opportunity to purchase some.

Suppose one obtains a set in pretty decent condition, except one car is in poor shape. Is it considered ok to replace that car with a like one in better shape? Or is that not considered correct behavior to swap when it is not part of the original set? If any of this swapping is considered ok, is there some point where beyond which it is not considered ok?

It causes me to wonder, because I do repair and rebuild a lot of locomotives. If I take a nice very collectable locomotive from 1950, and replace a lost screw with one made in 2012, have I tarnished its collectors value? I suspect most would say no. But at what point can I replace parts before the value is degraded?

Looking forward to hearing responses.
Al Baker
Portland




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68455 From: David Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: New Drive Wheel Tool Avaliable (Advertisement)
We now have photos of our NEW DRIVE WHEEL TO AXLE SETTING TOOL in the
tool section at our web site at

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>

The photos show the two (2) part tool and the three (3) easy steps to
install a wheel assembly on an axle. Only three (3) easy steps resulting
in a PERFECT JOB EVERY TIME. No more guess work, no more mistakes.
Straight and true every time.

This tool is a MUST HAVE for the professional repair person and hobblest
to use before the quartering process begins.

Thank you all for your continuing support and great ideas.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68456 From: LB Date: 2/21/2012
Subject: Trade Wanted Relating to 24566 NH Auto Carrier
I have a VG red tractor for the auto carrier load. Would like to trade even up for a blue one. Please contact me offgroup if you are interested.

Herb Lanier
paflyrman
Group: S-Trains Message: 68457 From: rapidrail1 Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: New Circus car photos
I agree. The colors are endless and I can really use imagination. I'm using 1/64 die cast. But I am also working on a couple of loads that will use the American Dimestore plastic reproductions. They are too big, but they look appropriate for 1950s.

I love you idea of the human cannonball truck. Please post photos when done. I may try one myself.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> Great work Wayne. The circus train is hands-down my favorite because there are so many things you can do with it.
>
> I try to keep my loads in scope and scale to the "original" Flyer wagons. I have been comtemplating making a human cannonball truck for a long time. Yesterday I was up in my train room and looked at an old Marx truck and a discarded HO factory smokestack sitting near each other.
>
> Let's just say the surgery has begun and painting will soon commence, and by combining the two pieces we will have our cannonball truck! The Marx piece offered a good base because it is the correct 1950's era and has awesome wheel well covers making it look art deco and perfect for the cannonball theme.
>
> Keep up the good work. Ben
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@> wrote:
> >
> > I have completed some new circus cars and placed photos in the photos section under Waynes Circus cars.
> >
> > Caboose: This is a Gilbert caboose with Flyonel trucks and LBR decal. These are great decals so why re-invent the wheel.
> >
> > Flatcar with daredevil car loads. Finally, a use for all those cheap toy Hot Wheels hot rods. The car is a Flyonel UP flat car with my own custom decals.
> >
> > Flatcar with bus and speaker truck: The flat car is a repro from Joes Train Repair with my own decals and Lledo car loads.
> >
> > Flatcar with vendor vans: Another repro flat car from a recent train show that was already decorated. I added the Matchbox vendor vans load.
> >
> > Upcoming projects are two more repro flat cars with loads from American Dimestore cars and a pair of Custom American Flyer Circus PAs custom painted and decorated with repro dry transfers. When this last one is finished, I will add photos here and a video on Youtube.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68458 From: Art Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Wanted: GM&O RS-3 by American Models Number 1519 in AC HR
Thank you to the guys that responded to my last request, but still looking for a number 1519 GM&O RS-3 by American Models(prefer ACHR) to go with my 1522. I believe these only came in 2 numbers, but if some one has any number other than 1522 and wants to move it to a good home, please contact me. Trying to build an A-A set. Art
Group: S-Trains Message: 68459 From: Art Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: U33s on Carl's Layout
Carl T.,

Are you planning to post video to your You Tube channel of the U33 running on your layout? REALLY enjoy your videos. I saw your wonderful photos but have not seen a video yet.

Art
Group: S-Trains Message: 68460 From: piccu56 Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: Beginners questions about collecting AF Sets
Al, always remember, you don't have a set without a set box. If you spend the money on a grouping of cars and components that are listed to have come in a set at some point, you have a collection of cars and components not a set. The value of a set is in the set box and individual boxes and condition.

It is perfectly OK to buy a set with a damaged component and swap it out for a more perfect example. Just be sure of subtle variances that may have some from a different years offerings. 1954 sets are very distinguishable from other years and if you place a car from 1954 in a set from 1956 a good collector will know.

Replacing minor maintenance parts like a coupler, screw or bulb is not an issue. These are products that wear out and need service. Wanting to keep an item as original as possible is a goal. It depends on the item and its scarcity and desirability as to how far one can go before it affects value. If you had an example of a 375 diesel and it was missing the end rails and all you could find were excellent reproductions, this affects the value little. On the other hand, if you had a common 302 Atlantic with a broken pilot and all you could find was a reproduction the affect on value will be greater. All of this of course depends on the buyer. Some care more than others.

Gandy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> wrote:
>
> To me it is viewpoint, I love that 60+ american flyers kits run and run well
> after all these years, so whenever possible been staying to the traditional
> parts, but I also understand the other side, the attraction of dcc are tmcc etc.
> to update sets, I have seen good prices for both in just the little time I have
> purchased stuff, although something radical altered dosnt do well, but there is
> some raeality there, repalcing parts with new that meets are exceeds the orgianl
> is fine, replacing bulbs with neons is safer, most people cannot rewind an old
> engine so replacing it with a quality one is also fine, I think both are still
> keeping the trains alive and fun. Long live S Gauge
>
>
> tr
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Al Baker <albaker33@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, February 20, 2012 10:50:21 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Beginners questions about collecting AF Sets
>
>  
> As some of you know, I have a collection of over 100 S gauge and S scale
> locomotives, and my thrill is in producing never before seen variations by
> customizing and modifying. I am not the normal collector like many of you-all
> are. So I need to ask some basic beginner collector questions.
>
>
> I have never had any interest in collecting Gilbert AF sets - until possibly now
> as I have an opportunity to purchase some.
>
> Suppose one obtains a set in pretty decent condition, except one car is in poor
> shape. Is it considered ok to replace that car with a like one in better shape?
> Or is that not considered correct behavior to swap when it is not part of the
> original set? If any of this swapping is considered ok, is there some point
> where beyond which it is not considered ok?
>
> It causes me to wonder, because I do repair and rebuild a lot of locomotives. If
> I take a nice very collectable locomotive from 1950, and replace a lost screw
> with one made in 2012, have I tarnished its collectors value? I suspect most
> would say no. But at what point can I replace parts before the value is
> degraded?
>
> Looking forward to hearing responses.
> Al Baker
> Portland
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68461 From: piccu56 Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF Set Prices?
Al, no matter how you slice it you have individual components that may or may not have come together in a set. Without the set box you do not have a numbered set. With that, you will need to price the items as individual pieces based on condition, and if you want to group them together as the components that may have made up a specific set then you can do that. A true set with set box will bring a premium over the individual pieces.

The 3002AC grouping is all very common items and would not bring $200. Barring anything bring broken and items being in VG+ to EX the grouping is worth around $100 tops.

The 370 grouping will fair a little better as the diesel is harder to find in better conditions. With the loco needing work and not knowing if the 715 has its correct load this grouping might bring in VG overall condition around $150.

Basic track and transformers bring nothing.

Gandy



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to help a friend get a ball park idea of the value of two Gilbert AF sets.
>
> First is a Set # 5001T (300AC Loco) It has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes.
>
> Second is Set # 5112T (370 Loco). Likewise, it has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes.
>
> He is interested in prices that might be obtained at a train show. Is $200 for each about right? Is one markedly more valuable than the other?
>
> I am not a collector of sets so I'm not real knowledgeable about them.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Al Baker
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68462 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: U33s on Carl's Layout
Soon!


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Art
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:18 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] U33s on Carl's Layout



Carl T.,

Are you planning to post video to your You Tube channel of the U33 running
on your layout? REALLY enjoy your videos. I saw your wonderful photos but
have not seen a video yet.

Art






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Group: S-Trains Message: 68463 From: Al Baker Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF Set Prices? - Thanks!
Thanks to all those that replied. The info was helpful. I really appreciate it.
Al Baker




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:
>
> Maybe some more detail will help:
>
> First is a Set # 5001T with 300AC Loco(runs great), 631, 638(or 630?), 639(yellow), 640. It has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes.
>
> Second is Set # 5112T with 370 Loco (doesn't run, looks pretty good with pretty good decals), 633 (red), 715 (very nice), 63X(0?). Likewise, it has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes. (after a quick look, I think the 370 e-unit needs new fingers and reconnect wires that someone disconnected.)
>
> All train items look quite good - not beat-up, paint, lettering good.
>
> Al
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm trying to help a friend get a ball park idea of the value of two Gilbert AF sets.
> >
> > First is a Set # 5001T (300AC Loco) It has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes.
> >
> > Second is Set # 5112T (370 Loco). Likewise, it has all set components including track, transformer, etc. but no boxes.
> >
> > He is interested in prices that might be obtained at a train show. Is $200 for each about right? Is one markedly more valuable than the other?
> >
> > I am not a collector of sets so I'm not real knowledgeable about them.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Al Baker
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68464 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: TRAINZ
Anybody have any dealings with these people.....????? Comments...
Bob Conner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68465 From: mike jones Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
I have. They are good people to deal with.

--- On Wed, 2/22/12, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:


From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] TRAINZ
To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 7:26 PM



 



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Bob Conner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68466 From: Rich Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
Bob -- I've purchased a few Flyer things from them on eBay. Without digging around in my records I can't recall which items, but the transactions seemed pretty straightforward and I gave them good reviews. Based on my quick look at their new items - via their website - I don't think their prices are way outta line, but not the lowest either. My eBay purchases were all used items as I recall.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> Anybody have any dealings with these people.....????? Comments...
> Bob Conner
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68467 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
I have bought a number of things from them over the years and always been happy with what I got and with their service. In the past couple of years, however, their prices seem to have risen steadily; I can usually find what I want cheaper elsewhere. And, based on the pictures, their ebay auctions often overstate condition.


On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:26 PM, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:

> Anybody have any dealings with these people.....????? Comments...
> Bob Conner
>
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68468 From: Obie Bell Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
Bought a LTI Domino Sugar hopper car through eBay from them some years back, no problems.Obie
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: rcon7@...
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:26:52 -0800
Subject: [S-Trains] TRAINZ




























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Group: S-Trains Message: 68469 From: Larry Moore Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
I have purchased several items from them in the past. No problems, always
ship promptly, and have been very satisfied. Larry



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Conner
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:27 PM
To: S-Trains
Subject: [S-Trains] TRAINZ





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Bob Conner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68470 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
No problems these days. Alistair

On Thu 23/02/12 10:49 AM , mike jones civicman_97@... sent:
> I have. They are good people to deal with.
> --- On Wed, 2/22/12, Robert Conner wrote:
> From: Robert Conner
> Subject: [S-Trains] TRAINZ
> To: "S-Trains"
> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 7:26 PM
>  
> Anybody have any dealings with these people.....????? Comments...
> Bob Conner
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68471 From: Robert Conner Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR INPUT ON SALES....
NOW WHAT ABOUT HAVING THEM SELL CONSIGNMENT ITEMS?
BOB
--- On Wed, 2/22/12, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:


From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] TRAINZ
To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 7:26 PM



 



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68472 From: Don Thompson Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted: GM&O RS-3 by American Models Number 1519 in AC HR
Dear Art,
I did the artwork for these. They were originally SHS exclusives. If i remember correctly, we did make two numbers of these. I do not have the records as it was over 20 years ago.
Don




On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Art wrote:

> Thank you to the guys that responded to my last request, but still looking for a number 1519 GM&O RS-3 by American Models(prefer ACHR) to go with my 1522. I believe these only came in 2 numbers, but if some one has any number other than 1522 and wants to move it to a good home, please contact me. Trying to build an A-A set. Art
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68473 From: rick gough Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
I bought a very clean  T&P powered GP from them advertised as fully serviced. It came quickly, reasonably shipped and very well packed, and just as advertised, but with no serious service having been done. Their customer service person was totally responsive and accepted my personal cost of doing the proper service and credited me immediately. They were going to have a discussion with their shop. Don't know if they made any changes but have the feeling that their tech doesn't know Flyer very well so was doing bare minimal.


rick gough


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68474 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: Re: TRAINZ
Yes. I have been happy with those transactions.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 2/22/2012 7:26 PM, Robert Conner wrote:
> Anybody have any dealings with these people.....????? Comments...
> Bob Conner
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68475 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/22/2012
Subject: For Sale: American Flyer Service Manual by K-Line
From a collection I'm selling: Complete Service Manual for American Flyer Trains published in 2002 by K-Line and long out of print.  I have a copy and use it a lot.  I consider it a valuable reference.


The cover and everything inside look brand new, as if nobody ever referred to it.  There are, however, a couple of marks on the front cover that you can see if you hold it up to the light in the right way.  Most people will never notice them.


I searched the internet to find out what they're selling for and the cheapest I could find was $125 for a new one.  There were three between $125 and $130, and prices went up from there to over $400.  There was a used one for $98 and change.


Make offer.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68476 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: Re: Wanted: S-Trax
A while back there was a dealer on the list who said he had SHS S¹Trax ³Just
sitting on the shelf.²

I would like to help him move some of it if he can repost.

Thanks :)

Roy Inman






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Group: S-Trains Message: 68477 From: David Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: Three (3) New Parts Arriving (Advertisement)
Arriving very soon to our web site on the "KIT BASHERS PAGE" (
http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> ) three new cast metal
parts.

As requested, our first new part will be a trim-to-fit drop coupler
pilot simiular to the #322 Hudson. This pilot features a scale
non-operating knuckle coupler and with the proper trimming should fit
most all pre-1966 AF steamers.

Our second cast metal part will be a non-operating AF knuckle coupler. A
great piece for those of you that want to lash up a consist that will
not un-couple its self. This unit resembles the original AF knuckle
coupler so it can also lash up with operating knuckle couplers and not
look out of place.

Third offering is a NEW BOILER FACE FOR YOUR AF #312 style PACIFIC
engines. This casting has a #342 style head light and a raised number
board in the boiler face center.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68478 From: nightshift.geo Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: For sale....realistic S scale vehicles
.....take a look at http://www.nightshiftart.com/....some custom inexpensive realistic vehicles for your S layout.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68479 From: Obie Bell Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: John Heck
Hello,Sometime back I believe someone mentioned buying from John Heck on eBay. I am hoping that someone can give me his eBay seller name so I can bookmark his site. I bought from him many times when I used to attend the Dupage show on a regular basis some years ago. I always was pleased with his items.Thank you,Obie

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68480 From: piccu56 Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: Color help please.
Can someone who actually owns an original, excellent condition, 596 operating water tank with black legs please look and tell me if the legs are gloss, semi-gloss, satin, semi-flat or flat in finish.

Thanks
Gandy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68481 From: Pat Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: SHS # 01310
I am looking to purchase some SHS 01310 couplers. Does anyone have any available, or does anyone know where I might find some? Don and Robin at S Helper ,Doug at Portlines, and Hoquat Hobbies are all out.
Thanks,
Pat, in Maine
Group: S-Trains Message: 68482 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: Re: Color help please.
I have one on the club layout.  I'll check it at Saturday's workday and let you know.


________________________________
From: piccu56 <piccu56@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:55 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Color help please.


 
Can someone who actually owns an original, excellent condition, 596 operating water tank with black legs please look and tell me if the legs are gloss, semi-gloss, satin, semi-flat or flat in finish.

Thanks
Gandy




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68483 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: Re: John Heck
jjhsales


________________________________
From: Obie Bell <bellokdaka@...>
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:14 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] John Heck


 

Hello,Sometime back I believe someone mentioned buying from John Heck on eBay. I am hoping that someone can give me his eBay seller name so I can bookmark his site. I bought from him many times when I used to attend the Dupage show on a regular basis some years ago. I always was pleased with his items.Thank you,Obie

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68484 From: Gerry Evans Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: Fw: [nasgbot] Fw: [nasgmembers] NASG Website Update
----- Original Message -----
From: scale S only
To: NASG BOT ; NASG Committee Chairs
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: [nasgbot] Fw: [nasgmembers] NASG Website Update




HI guys --

I am not on the S-trains group. Can one of you forward this to that group, please? (see below)

Thanks!
Bill Winans





If you are already on the NASGmembers yahoo group, you will have already received this. For those of you who are NASG members, but not on the members group, this is the sort of information you will be missing. Please sign up.

Have fun!

Bill Winans

----------------------------------

Hi All,

I just wanted to let you all know that I have made a change to the NASG
web site. The NASG Online Membership Directory ("Membership" page, "Log
In" graphic) feature of the web site was not yet "upgraded" to the new
design of the web site. I have just updated that feature.

You will be able to log in (if you have previously registered and
received your log-in password) and view your own membership profile. You
can optionally make changes to your own profile. Several fields are
shown that are not editable (such as your membership type, for example).
These are provided for your information. However, most fields can be
changed. You can use this form to update your profile so that the NASG
has your most recent information on hand (if you do, be sure to click
the "Apply Changes" button at the bottom of the form). Please check such
things as phone numbers and e-mail addresses, which tend to change
fairly often.

With this version the above mentioned functionality is the only one
provided. I hope to soon add the ability to allow members to change
their Membership Directory log-in password.

Any additional features are currently under review by the NASG BOT.

I have accumulated quite a list of "to-do" items for the web site, so I
will be hitting those over the next few days and this weekend as well,
as time permits. However, don't hesitate to notify me of any changes,
updates, or corrections. I will keep track of it all.

If you have any membership-specific question, please contact Claude Demers.

If you have any web site questions, feel free to drop me an e-mail.
- Peter.
(webmaster)





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68485 From: strain97009 Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: WGH Show This Weekend
Just a line to let you know the Northwest S Scalers will be setting up our portable layout at the Portland Convention Center for the Worlds Greatest Hobby Show. The hours are 10 to 6 Saturday and 10 to 5 Sunday.

The Convention Center is located near the Rose Garden on MLK Blvd and is on the MAX line one stop east of the Rose Garden.

For various reasons this the first show we have done in almost 4 years but are looking forward to being there.

Al Baker will also be manning a table for NASG.

If you are in the area stop by and say hello.

Bob Boring
NW S Scalers
Group: S-Trains Message: 68486 From: albert paolozzi Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: Re: Color help please.
The one that I have is a Satin finish, definitely not glossy.   Al

--- On Thu, 2/23/12, piccu56 <piccu56@...> wrote:

From: piccu56 <piccu56@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Color help please.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 8:55 AM
















 









Can someone who actually owns an original, excellent condition, 596 operating water tank with black legs please look and tell me if the legs are gloss, semi-gloss, satin, semi-flat or flat in finish.



Thanks

Gandy



























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Group: S-Trains Message: 68487 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 2/23/2012
Subject: 2012 Flyer Fest West ?
Good Evening,

Does anybody know the date and location of the 2012 Flyer Fest West?

I am the new webmaster for the NASG web site and all I have is that it
is supposed to be in May or June in California. I would be happy to
update it with more accurate information. If there's a web page
associated with the event, I'd be glad to make a link to it as well.

Thank you,
- Peter.
--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
http://nasg.org/
--


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68488 From: Dave Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Looking for instructions for Omnicrom Shark nose diesel kits
Hey Mike, I purchased an Omnicon Sharknose A-B set some time ago and
never did anything with it. The motor unit and drives were already
installed and the wires were soldered to the pick-ups. They were ready
to run except for the shell. The shells were unpainted and loose from
the chassis. I created a photo album here,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/877946649/pic/list
with the entire manual and some pictures of the units. The album is
called 1/64 scale Omnicon Sharknose! I'll add pictures of the final
project if I ever get the painting finished! I didn't see any response
to your post so I thought I'd look and see if I had anything for you.
Hope it helps!


Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 68489 From: David Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: DRIVE WHEEL INSULATOR SALE (Advertisement)
As promised a few days ago we are now having a three (3) day sale on our
world famous OFF WHITE DRIVE INSULATORS part number #INSULL-1. The
regular price is $3.25 ea.

SALE PRICE: $2.00 ea. at
http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>

SALE PRICE GOOD: Feb. 24-25-26, 2012 ONLY, Pay Pal Orders ONLY. Sorry
no mail in orders on this one.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68490 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Status of Fred Jester's business
I have been asked by Fred's wife, Jody, to post the following to the various and appropriate S lists.
Doug Peck
<<<Hello members. I am Fred's wife, Jody. I have received many phone calls and heard many inaccurate rumors regarding my husband's train parts. Before his death, Fred set up a plan to continue selling his train parts through our friend, Barry King, as a wholesale-only distributor to dealers. In September 2011, Fred's plan was set in motion. You may purchase small quantities of parts through your favorite dealer, or contact Barry at kingkodak@... for dealer inquiries.
My daughter and I are not doing any mail order. However, she will be attending the Allentown show this month and the Reliance firehouse show/York, PA, in April with her father's train parts.>>>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68491 From: earl.carlsen@att.net Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Fw: [nasgbot] Fw: [nasgmembers] NASG Website Update
More - any info on how I / WE / US sign up would be GREAT>>>
REF - NASG members yahoo group.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry Evans" <gerry.evans@...> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: scale S only
> To: NASG BOT ; NASG Committee Chairs
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:27 AM
> Subject: [nasgbot] Fw: [nasgmembers] NASG Website Update
>
>
>
>
> HI guys --
>
> I am not on the S-trains group. Can one of you forward this to that group, please? (see below)
>
> Thanks!
> Bill Winans
>
>
>
>
>
> If you are already on the NASGmembers yahoo group, you will have already received this. For those of you who are NASG members, but not on the members group, this is the sort of information you will be missing. Please sign up.
>
> Have fun!
>
> Bill Winans
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> Hi All,
>
> I just wanted to let you all know that I have made a change to the NASG
> web site. The NASG Online Membership Directory ("Membership" page, "Log
> In" graphic) feature of the web site was not yet "upgraded" to the new
> design of the web site. I have just updated that feature.
>
> You will be able to log in (if you have previously registered and
> received your log-in password) and view your own membership profile. You
> can optionally make changes to your own profile. Several fields are
> shown that are not editable (such as your membership type, for example).
> These are provided for your information. However, most fields can be
> changed. You can use this form to update your profile so that the NASG
> has your most recent information on hand (if you do, be sure to click
> the "Apply Changes" button at the bottom of the form). Please check such
> things as phone numbers and e-mail addresses, which tend to change
> fairly often.
>
> With this version the above mentioned functionality is the only one
> provided. I hope to soon add the ability to allow members to change
> their Membership Directory log-in password.
>
> Any additional features are currently under review by the NASG BOT.
>
> I have accumulated quite a list of "to-do" items for the web site, so I
> will be hitting those over the next few days and this weekend as well,
> as time permits. However, don't hesitate to notify me of any changes,
> updates, or corrections. I will keep track of it all.
>
> If you have any membership-specific question, please contact Claude Demers.
>
> If you have any web site questions, feel free to drop me an e-mail.
> - Peter.
> (webmaster)
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68492 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Fw: [nasgbot] Fw: [nasgmembers] NASG Website Update
Hmmm, it is like all of the other Yahoo Grooups. Try this link to get
started:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nasgmembers/?yguid=157970535

If that somehow takes you to my groups, search Yahoo for the groupname
nasgmembers. That will do the trick for sure.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 2/24/2012 7:51 AM, earl.carlsen@... wrote:
> More - any info on how I / WE / US sign up would be GREAT>>>
> REF - NASG members yahoo group.
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68493 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: nasgmembers Yahoo Group (was: NASG Web Site Update)
All,

The "nasgmembers" group can be accessed here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nasgmembers/

- Peter.

On 02/24/2012 6:51 am, earl.carlsen@... wrote:
> More - any info on how I / WE / US sign up would be GREAT>>>
> REF - NASG members yahoo group.
>
>
>

--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
http://nasg.org/
--


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68494 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Fw: [nasgbot] Fw: [nasgmembers] NASG Website Update
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas

To earl and anyone else on the S-Trains list. Go to www.nasg.org  when you get to the home page you will see Membership. Click on the Green letters to bring up the aplication form. The website is self explanittory and easy to use. It was just recently upgraded by the new webmaster.
� Thanks,
Alan NASG member

________________________________
From: "earl.carlsen@..." <earl.carlsen@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:51 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: [nasgbot] Fw: [nasgmembers] NASG Website Update



 


More - any info on how I / WE / US sign up would be GREAT>>>
REF - NASG members yahoo group.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry Evans" <gerry.evans@...> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: scale S only
> To: NASG BOT ; NASG Committee Chairs
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:27 AM
> Subject: [nasgbot] Fw: [nasgmembers] NASG Website Update
>
>
>
>
> HI guys --
>
> I am not on the S-trains group. Can one of you forward this to that group, please? (see below)
>
> Thanks!
> Bill Winans
>
>
>
>
>
> If you are already on the NASGmembers yahoo group, you will have already received this. For those of you who are NASG members, but not on the members group, this is the sort of information you will be missing. Please sign up.
>
> Have fun!
>
> Bill Winans
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> Hi All,
>
> I just wanted to let you all know that I have made a change to the NASG
> web site. The NASG Online Membership Directory ("Membership" page, "Log
> In" graphic) feature of the web site was not yet "upgraded" to the new
> design of the web site. I have just updated that feature.
>
> You will be able to log in (if you have previously registered and
> received your log-in password) and view your own membership profile. You
> can optionally make changes to your own profile. Several fields are
> shown that are not editable (such as your membership type, for example).
> These are provided for your information. However, most fields can be
> changed. You can use this form to update your profile so that the NASG
> has your most recent information on hand (if you do, be sure to click
> the "Apply Changes" button at the bottom of the form). Please check such
> things as phone numbers and e-mail addresses, which tend to change
> fairly often.
>
> With this version the above mentioned functionality is the only one
> provided. I hope to soon add the ability to allow members to change
> their Membership Directory log-in password.
>
> Any additional features are currently under review by the NASG BOT.
>
> I have accumulated quite a list of "to-do" items for the web site, so I
> will be hitting those over the next few days and this weekend as well,
> as time permits. However, don't hesitate to notify me of any changes,
> updates, or corrections. I will keep track of it all.
>
> If you have any membership-specific question, please contact Claude Demers.
>
> If you have any web site questions, feel free to drop me an e-mail.
> - Peter.
> (webmaster)
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68495 From: EDWARD ECKERT Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 Flyer Fest West ?
Here is what I was able to find out after several phone calls.
The meet will be in early June in Placerville, CA., about halfway between Reno, Nevada and Sacramento
Don Rosa, of the Sacramento group,is supposedly heading this up.
Saturday only event.
Possible Banquet Saturday night
Small, more social type meet.
No website at this time
 
Ed Eckert
moderator
(former member of The Golden Gate American Flyer Club)
 


________________________________
From: Peter Vanvliet <groups@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:42 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 2012 Flyer Fest West ?


 
Good Evening,

Does anybody know the date and location of the 2012 Flyer Fest West?

I am the new webmaster for the NASG web site and all I have is that it
is supposed to be in May or June in California. I would be happy to
update it with more accurate information. If there's a web page
associated with the event, I'd be glad to make a link to it as well.

Thank you,
- Peter.
--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
http://nasg.org/
--

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68496 From: srgriggs Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Any Requests?
80" drivers to replace the AF 72" and close the gap between adjacent drivers.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> Now that we have the new pilot trucks avaliable can anyone here come up
> with another new item for the old AF steamers that will make them look &
> run better. Come on let's hear it ;o)
>
> We have been thinking about a new draw bar that more represents the
> actual ones used on the real steamers as well as a "NEW BULLET SHAPED
> BOILER FRONT" for the Hudsons that will help those that want to model a
> DRYFUSS J3A style engine.
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
> 502-292-1872
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68497 From: rapidrail1 Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: New photo
I hope Lionel creates some add on cars for the circus set they produced last year. But even if they do, I doubt if they will do a diner car. When doing my research I found that the circus trains call the diner the "pie car". So I have repainted a Lionel diner as a circus pie car. I tried to match the Lionel colors as best as I could, but I could not match the letters very well. After done, I also noticed that the Lionel trucks were black rather than silver. I'm going to leave mine silver since all the photos of RBBB circus cars I could find had silver trucks. If Lionel does come out with more cars with black trucks I may repaint mine black to match. If not, I will repaint Lionel's black trucks silver. The number I used is the actual number for a RBBB pie car for the "blue" show. Lionel's cars was logo'd for the blue show so mine is continuing that way.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 68498 From: afdinger@bellsouth.net Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Polar Express Colors
I am interested in making a flyer Polar Express train for our Christmas Show. I need help with the paint colors. If anyone has made this conversion, can you tell me the paints you used? I stopped in a local hobby shop and could not find the colors that could be used. There selection was obiviously limited. Thanks for your help. Jack
Group: S-Trains Message: 68499 From: Brady Burdge Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: End of an era
Group: S-Trains Message: 68500 From: Ben and Lynn Stiles Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Hi Jack-

I used broken/forlorn 652-3-4 maroon heavyweight cars for my Polar
Express base. I chose #7722 Rustoleum Harbor Blue for the light blue
color. It is a little too bright when held up next the Lionel O gauge
version, but it looks right when the train is running on an S gauge
pike. When properly masked, the maroon stripe is there without any effort.

There are other more subdued light blue spray paint colors out there now
that were not available when I started my conversions three years ago.

Another option is to have the Lionel color color-matched at an auto
paint store. I did not wish to put in that much expense for a "fun"
train project.

I used a #282 for the engine- re-numbered 1225 and made Polar Express
stickers for the tender and all cars. Mine now consists of three
passenger cars, a gondola with gifts, and the loco/tender. It is a big
hit at club operating sessions. The rear observation platform is true to
shape and size with the red (grain of wheat) bulb above and Santa and
Mrs. Claus waving from the platform. Oh the wonders of Bondo!
Group: S-Trains Message: 68501 From: Mark Mugnai Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: Any Requests?
I like the drawbar idea.......

Mark in Oregon

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> wrote:
>
> 80" drivers to replace the AF 72" and close the gap between adjacent drivers.
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Now that we have the new pilot trucks avaliable can anyone here come up
> > with another new item for the old AF steamers that will make them look &
> > run better. Come on let's hear it ;o)
> >
> > We have been thinking about a new draw bar that more represents the
> > actual ones used on the real steamers as well as a "NEW BULLET SHAPED
> > BOILER FRONT" for the Hudsons that will help those that want to model a
> > DRYFUSS J3A style engine.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > LBR Enterprises,llc
> >
> > 502-292-1872
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68502 From: ron plyler Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: Any Requests?
How about a set of elephant ears(smoke deflectors) that would work on Northerns, Hudsons, etc.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68503 From: Don Rosa Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 Flyer Fest West ?
Carl Rudolph is the new president of the SVAFC and is the contact person for FFW2012. He can be reached at ffw2012@.... Like any other group, events get rescheduled and programs change when there is a change of officers. I have retired after many years as chair of the event but will still work bedhind the scenes. The club has always wanted to move FFW from spring to another time of year. At this time, both the location and date are being determined. The final decision will be announced soon.
Look forward to seeing everyone at FFW.
 
Don Rosa

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68504 From: Donald Keil Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Ben&Lynn
Do you have any pictures
Don


________________________________
From: Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:07 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Polar Express Colors


 
Hi Jack-

I used broken/forlorn 652-3-4 maroon heavyweight cars for my Polar
Express base. I chose #7722 Rustoleum Harbor Blue for the light blue
color. It is a little too bright when held up next the Lionel O gauge
version, but it looks right when the train is running on an S gauge
pike. When properly masked, the maroon stripe is there without any effort.

There are other more subdued light blue spray paint colors out there now
that were not available when I started my conversions three years ago.

Another option is to have the Lionel color color-matched at an auto
paint store. I did not wish to put in that much expense for a "fun"
train project.

I used a #282 for the engine- re-numbered 1225 and made Polar Express
stickers for the tender and all cars. Mine now consists of three
passenger cars, a gondola with gifts, and the loco/tender. It is a big
hit at club operating sessions. The rear observation platform is true to
shape and size with the red (grain of wheat) bulb above and Santa and
Mrs. Claus waving from the platform. Oh the wonders of Bondo!



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68505 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 Flyer Fest West ?
Too bad it has morphed into a 1 day (maybe 6 hr.) show. Not worth the
travel time and expense for us guys from the North....
Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 2/25/2012 10:36:29 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
af2rail@... writes:




Carl Rudolph is the new president of the SVAFC and is the contact person
for FFW2012. He can be reached at _ffw2012@..._
(mailto:ffw2012@...) . Like any other group, events get rescheduled and programs change
when there is a change of officers. I have retired after many years as chair
of the event but will still work bedhind the scenes. The club has always
wanted to move FFW from spring to another time of year. At this time, both
the location and date are being determined. The final decision will be
announced soon.
Look forward to seeing everyone at FFW.

Don Rosa

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: S-Trains Message: 68506 From: Ben Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
I just added a photo album titles "Ben's Polar Express." The pictures are not the greatest, but you will get the idea. Several of the pictures show the making of the observation platform and the roof detail over that platform while the car was still in the bodywork stage.

I will try to get some better pictures for you. So far I have converted a #652 coach to the PE observation, a #652 coach to a regular PE coach, and a #654 observation to a regular PE coach (that one was tricky!)

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Donald Keil <dlkeil@...> wrote:
>
> Ben&Lynn
> Do you have any pictures
> Don
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:07 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Polar Express Colors
>
>
>  
> Hi Jack-
>
> I used broken/forlorn 652-3-4 maroon heavyweight cars for my Polar
> Express base. I chose #7722 Rustoleum Harbor Blue for the light blue
> color. It is a little too bright when held up next the Lionel O gauge
> version, but it looks right when the train is running on an S gauge
> pike. When properly masked, the maroon stripe is there without any effort.
>
> There are other more subdued light blue spray paint colors out there now
> that were not available when I started my conversions three years ago.
>
> Another option is to have the Lionel color color-matched at an auto
> paint store. I did not wish to put in that much expense for a "fun"
> train project.
>
> I used a #282 for the engine- re-numbered 1225 and made Polar Express
> stickers for the tender and all cars. Mine now consists of three
> passenger cars, a gondola with gifts, and the loco/tender. It is a big
> hit at club operating sessions. The rear observation platform is true to
> shape and size with the red (grain of wheat) bulb above and Santa and
> Mrs. Claus waving from the platform. Oh the wonders of Bondo!
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68507 From: David Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: HAND HELD QUARTERING TOOL (Advertisement)
Well, after quite a few months we have finally designed a HAND HELD or
bench mounted SINGLE AXLE QUARTERING TOOL. This tool makes all others
for the "S" AF 1946 - 1966 large wheel steam engines "OBSOLETE". A real
break through in design as well as price. Another tool is in the testing
phase for the 0-8-0 & 0-6-0 engines also.

To view / purchase see tools section at:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>

PRICE: $64.95 plus $5.15 USPS PRIORITY = $70.10

Allow 14 - 21 days for delivery.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68508 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: Color help please.
I'd call mine semi-flat. It does have a bit of shine to it, so it's not flat, but it's definitely not glossy.

On Feb 23, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote:

> I have one on the club layout. I'll check it at Saturday's workday and let you know.
>
> ________________________________
> From: piccu56 <piccu56@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:55 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Color help please.
>
>
>
> Can someone who actually owns an original, excellent condition, 596 operating water tank with black legs please look and tell me if the legs are gloss, semi-gloss, satin, semi-flat or flat in finish.
>
> Thanks
> Gandy
>
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>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68509 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: MKT Special
At the next train show in Fort Worth, The MK Special wil makeits debut. I will run it on my home layout until then. I got to order mine earlier than they were posted on American Models website.I picked them up today and have not opened the boxes yet. I don't even have the set box (5 car) for mine. Individual boxes to tote around untill I find a box.I have weight waiting to put in if I need them. I'll let you know the dates of the show later after i look it up. I'm gona have some fun now.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Lone Star Fyer Club
Arlington, Texas
I live in Fort Wort, Texas
Group: S-Trains Message: 68510 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/26/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
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Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68511 From: Timboy Date: 2/26/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> I just added a photo album titles "Ben's Polar Express." The pictures are not the greatest, but you will get the idea. Several of the pictures show the making of the observation platform and the roof detail over that platform while the car was still in the bodywork stage.
>
> I will try to get some better pictures for you. So far I have converted a #652 coach to the PE observation, a #652 coach to a regular PE coach, and a #654 observation to a regular PE coach (that one was tricky!)
>
> Ben

Ben,

You don't have to apologize to anyone for your work. You're doing some great stuff. Next to your work, mines looks more like a BI-Polar Express. Can't wait to see more pics!

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68512 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/26/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/26/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday February 26, 2012
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
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Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68513 From: JOHN RUTH Date: 2/26/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Thanks Ben for all that information and for the great pics of your cars,
especially the work on the observation car platform. I will look for that blue
paint.
You have a nice looking Polar Express train that I am sure goes over well at
your shows.
Jack

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68514 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/26/2012
Subject: Cleaning Rubber Roadbed
A while back, there was a discussion thread on the list about Cleaning Rubber Roadbed.  Following those suggestions, I put a bunch of dirty roadbed through the dishwasher.  Not being satisfied with the results, I hand-washed them with a brush, but still wasn't satisfied with the results.  Knowing it wasn't dirty, I wondered if it was mineral residue from the water that I could remove by brushing.  While watching a movie last night, I brushed it with a clean, dry shoe buffing brush (no polish)
and it did an amazing job!  But I wanted to wait until morning and see
if it looked that good in daylight; it does!  Almost like new - shiny and
black - the residue is gone.  I'm really pleased how well it cleaned up!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68515 From: Ben Date: 2/26/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
You are quite welcome, Jack. I do enjoy running it on my layout and on the club layout. It is a big hit, and to my knowledge, the only PE train in S gauge. I may very well be wrong, and based on the interest, it looks like lots of them might be running the rails soon!

The biggest complaint I seem to get from diehard AF collectors is that the engine is not a Berkshire-and therefore not correct.

I had the spare Pacific floating around, and that became the lucky candidate. The train is based on a cartoon for goodness sake! I am quite happy with it.

The hardest part is actually not preparing the cars or painting them...it is finding broken 652-3-4 series maroon passenger cars that are good cheap candidates. I think I have $40 in the whole train to this point.

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JOHN RUTH <afdinger@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ben for all that information and for the great pics of your cars,
> especially the work on the observation car platform. I will look for that blue
> paint.
> You have a nice looking Polar Express train that I am sure goes over well at
> your shows.
> Jack
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68516 From: johntech Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: Static Grass Applicator
Here is an article on building a static grass applicator from Model Railroad Hobbyist



http://issuu.com/mr-hobbyist/docs/mrh-2010-mar-apr-ol/93?viewMode=presentation&mode=embed

John

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68517 From: Don Thompson Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism...
We had a busy week with our last shipment of freight cars and switchers arriving on Monday. Several out of stock items were included with this shipment are now back in stock and can be ordered now. These items include:

http://www.showcaseline.com/nw2_in_stock.html

AT&SF NW2s (both numbers)

PRR Tuscan NW2

CB&Q Chinese Red NW2

http://www.showcaseline.com/sw8_in_stock.html

BN SW8 (both numbers)

http://www.showcaseline.com/BoxcarsSteelRebuit_in_stock.html

GN orange/green40’ rebuilt steel boxcars (both numbers)

http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Eatmor Cranberries 40’ wooden reefer

Marhoefer 40’ wooden reefer #72022

http://www.showcaseline.com/3bayps2_in_stock.html

#00271 Unlettered 3 bay PS2 covered hopper

AT&SF 3 bay PS2 covered hopper (both numbers)

Erie 3 bay PS2 covered hopper (both numbers)

http://www.showcaseline.com/SectionalTrack.html

#00292 25” radius curved track 30˚

#00297 5” straight track

http://www.showcaseline.com/TrackAccessories.html

#00670 Uncoupler track

I think all of the back orders have been shipped except for the switchers with sound. I am hoping that we can get those installations completed and shipped tomorrow.

Missing from the shipment are our remote control switches. They are the last product of ours still at Sanda Kan. Before they can be shipped, they all need to be tested. We hope to see these later in the spring. You can still order these and once they arrive, they will be shipped.

One last thing about DCC sound, we are now install Tsunami sound in our SW1s. We found a round baffle that we can modify and install into any of our SW1s. This adds a little time to the installation, so the price had to be increased. The cost to install DCC Tsunami sound in our SW1s is $199.95. This includes the speaker, custom modified baffle and programming. We should have all of the DCC sound upgrades on the website before too long.

Don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68518 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: Re: Cleaning Rubber Roadbed
Yes, I would imagine that Armor All would do wonders, but I've heard a number of people make disparaging remarks about people who use it to make trains look newer than they are, so I prefer to avoid it.



________________________________
From: "Boss31@..." <Boss31@...>
To: theupstairstrain@...
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cleaning Rubber Roadbed


After the dishwasher Armor All works wonders......
Steve
 
In a message dated 2/26/2012 5:07:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
theupstairstrain@... writes:
 
>A while back, there was a discussion thread on the list about Cleaning Rubber Roadbed.  Following those suggestions, I put a bunch of dirty roadbed through the dishwasher.  Not being satisfied with the results, I hand-washed them with a brush, but still wasn't satisfied with the results.  Knowing it wasn't dirty, I wondered if it was mineral residue from the water that I could remove by brushing.  While watching a movie last night, I brushed it with a clean, dry shoe buffing brush (no polish)
>and it did an amazing job!  But I wanted to wait until morning and
see
>if it looked that good in daylight; it does!  Almost like new -
shiny and
>black - the residue is gone.  I'm really pleased how well
it cleaned up!
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been
removed]
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68519 From: Jerry Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: Re: Cleaning Rubber Roadbed
I've used a product called Wesley's Blech-White (correct spelling) on rubber roadbed with excellent results also. It's a product that is used on white wall (and black wall) automotive tires. Since the roadbed is also rubber, this stuff will not harm the roadbed. It's sprayed on, left for a while, brushed a bit, then rinsed with water. It's available at auto supply stores. It will clean years of accumulated grime off the rubber and leave it in its original sate. But follow the precautions on the bottle because it's meant for outdoor use.

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I would imagine that Armor All would do wonders, but I've heard a number of people make disparaging remarks about people who use it to make trains look newer than they are, so I prefer to avoid it.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68520 From: Al Baker Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: WGH Show Portland; MTH in 'S' ??
This last weekend I spent manning the NASG booth at the World's Greatest Hobby Show in Portland, Oregon. About 20K attendees, and lots of interest in 'S' (Hi-Rail & Scale). I had a display of about 25 locomotives, including several Scale. My Challenger probably generated the most interest.

Anyhow, a Rep from MTH stopped by and chatted for a few minutes. So I couldn't pass up the opportunity to poke at him about getting into 'S'. To my surprise, he came back saying there is now serious discussion about the possibility of MTH going into 'S' !! It about blew me away. Of course there was no promise. I was just surprised that he would say that, as most companies would be tight-lipped until they were ready for a public announcement. But, stay tunned, we will see...

Al Baker
Portland
Group: S-Trains Message: 68521 From: strain97009 Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: WGH Show -- Weekend Fun
The Northwest S scalers set up our layout at the Worlds Greatest Hobby show in Portland this weekend. It was a good show with an estimated 20,000 people in attendance. For various reasons this was the first show we have done in four years so it was fun to see old friends and make a few new ones. And aside from a few hickups things seemed to operate quite well.

Al Baker from Portland was there representing the NASG with a great looking display and he was a big help to us setting up and tearing down the layout. Thanks go to Al for all his hard work.

Would the gentleman that told me he was with the Bay Area S Scalers and now living in this area please contact me off list. Our visit was way to short.

Bob Boring
Borore@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68522 From: George Cohn Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: Re: Cleaning Rubber Roadbed
If you have original roadbed that is faded or the wrong color, one of
the things you can do is get some of the Sems vinyl spray and respray it.

I had some grey that I picked up and after washing it and spraying it
black, it goes well with the rest of my roadbed/

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 68523 From: Al Baker Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: Re: WGH Show -- Weekend Fun
Thanks Bob, and a big thanks to you and the other crew members for being there. Your layout looked and worked great. I really appreciate your support.

I should also mention and thank Alan Bennett for bringing his layout despite some family health issues. Thanks Alan.

It was great having two layouts there demonstrating significant 'S' presence.

Al Baker



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "strain97009" <borore@...> wrote:
>
> The Northwest S scalers set up our layout at the Worlds Greatest Hobby show in Portland this weekend. It was a good show with an estimated 20,000 people in attendance. For various reasons this was the first show we have done in four years so it was fun to see old friends and make a few new ones. And aside from a few hickups things seemed to operate quite well.
>
> Al Baker from Portland was there representing the NASG with a great looking display and he was a big help to us setting up and tearing down the layout. Thanks go to Al for all his hard work.
>
> Would the gentleman that told me he was with the Bay Area S Scalers and now living in this area please contact me off list. Our visit was way to short.
>
> Bob Boring
> Borore@...
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68524 From: Alan Lambert Date: 2/27/2012
Subject: Re: WGH Show Portland; MTH in 'S' ??
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star flyer Club
� Arlington,Texas
Al,
That sounds promissing. Maybe we need to send them more e-mails to let them know we are waiting. Keep us posted.
I got my MKT Heavywieght Passenger car set from American Models through my club rep. I don't even have a set box. I have individual boxes for each car. My first passengerset but I have the MKT Pacific to pull them, so my first passenger train is set to leave the station.
� Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: Al Baker <albaker33@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:12 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] WGH Show Portland; MTH in 'S' ??



 

This last weekend I spent manning the NASG booth at the World's Greatest Hobby Show in Portland, Oregon. About 20K attendees, and lots of interest in 'S' (Hi-Rail & Scale). I had a display of about 25 locomotives, including several Scale. My Challenger probably generated the most interest.

Anyhow, a Rep from MTH stopped by and chatted for a few minutes. So I couldn't pass up the opportunity to poke at him about getting into 'S'. To my surprise, he came back saying there is now serious discussion about the possibility of MTH going into 'S' !! It about blew me away. Of course there was no promise. I was just surprised that he would say that, as most companies would be tight-lipped until they were ready for a public announcement. But, stay tunned, we will see...

Al Baker
Portland




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68525 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: 2012 AF catalog
On Friday, March 2, the new 28-page "American Flyer" stand-alone catalog
will be released, and available on-line, from Lionel. Here's your
advanced look at the contents---

a) A new 2-8-8-2 Mallet steam engine, available in 5 road
names (N&W, PRR, Santa Fe, UP, and Virginian). MSRP: $1000

b) The U33c in 5 new road names: Santa Fe, D&H, IC,
Milwaukee, PRR. $479

c) The U33c "Heritage" line: UP, MP/UP, SP/UP, Rio Grande,
and CNW. Each will be available individually in two different road
numbers, as well as a dummy unit.

d) A newly-tooled SD70ACe diesel; available in either
highrail or scale; five versions: BNSF; CSX; NS; KCS (2 different paint
schemes).

e) A newly-tooled Cylindrical Hopper in 8 road names: CN, BN, SP,
Saskatchewan, and four different UP schemes. $80

f) Set: Legacy-equipped Pacific, with four Heavyweights.
$899

g) MStL Baldwin; $290

h) "Clear Plastic" undecorated Docksider ($110) and caboose
($80)

i) ERIE full baggage car; $80

j) 4 full VistaDome cars: Erie, Rio Grande, Santa Fe, PRR
($80)

k) 10 new freight cars @ $70:

Schlitz reefer

Pepsi reefer

MStL boxcar

1958 Catalog Art boxcar

AF Smoke Fluid tank car

Cities Service tank car

PRR gondola with coil cover load

WP 3-bay hopper

Hershey's hopper

Mr Goodbar reefer



l) Re-listings:

TX Special A-A; $490

TX Special 3-pack; $250

TX Special full VistaDome; $80

TX Special full Baggage; $80

Coca-Cola boxcar; $70

Coca-Cola tank car; $70

SUNOCO Oil Derrick; $79

774 Floodlight Tower; $120

Truss Bridge; $29

m) Billboard set, 4-piece; $13

n) FasTrack Turnouts, Powered, L and R; $89 each

o) FasTrack Transition section; $9



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 68526 From: Herbert Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: WGH Show Portland; MTH in 'S' ??
Speaking of the WGH show in Portland, I saw an item that MTH is seriously considering S Gauge, according to their reps. A friend of mine who attended the Springfield train show also told me that the MTH guys said they are discussing the matter.
Herb Wasserman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
>   Lone Star flyer Club
>   Arlington,Texas
> Al,
> That sounds promissing. Maybe we need to send them more e-mails to let them know we are waiting. Keep us posted.
> I got my MKT Heavywieght Passenger car set from American Models through my club rep. I don't even have a set box. I have individual boxes for each car. My first passengerset but I have the MKT Pacific to pull them, so my first passenger train is set to leave the station.
>   Thanks,
>   Alan
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Al Baker <albaker33@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:12 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] WGH Show Portland; MTH in 'S' ??
>
>
>
>  
>
> This last weekend I spent manning the NASG booth at the World's Greatest Hobby Show in Portland, Oregon. About 20K attendees, and lots of interest in 'S' (Hi-Rail & Scale). I had a display of about 25 locomotives, including several Scale. My Challenger probably generated the most interest.
>
> Anyhow, a Rep from MTH stopped by and chatted for a few minutes. So I couldn't pass up the opportunity to poke at him about getting into 'S'. To my surprise, he came back saying there is now serious discussion about the possibility of MTH going into 'S' !! It about blew me away. Of course there was no promise. I was just surprised that he would say that, as most companies would be tight-lipped until they were ready for a public announcement. But, stay tunned, we will see...
>
> Al Baker
> Portland
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68527 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: Any Requests?
Dave,
I'm interested in anything you would make towards a Dreyfuss J3A.  That will be my next custom.
Neil

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68528 From: David Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: SINGLE AXLE QUARTERING TOOL Update (Advertisment)
In just the past few days we have re-designed our single axle quartering
tool to make it possiable for even the beginner to quarter his or here
own steam engine drivers (AF 1946-1966). We have re-arranged the thrust
block and added a carrier rod plus we have added a lateral gauge block
so the operator cannot over tighten the drivers when quartering the unit
(leaves proper side to side chassis movement).

Unfortunately these additions have caused a rise in price to
$89.50
ea. with FREE SHIPPING IN CONUS via USPS PRIORITY MAIL.

Still the BEST PRICE ANY WHERE in the U.S.A. and presently the
only
outlet for these patented quartering tools (ask your favorite hobby
retailer to order some today).

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872
Group: S-Trains Message: 68529 From: Frank Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: Any Requests?
Maybe American Models can make a Dreyfuss boiler to be used on their NY State Express engine chassis. Who knows maybe Ron will do a Dreyfuss in the near future.
Frank

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:47 PM, NEIL FERRIS <bowlsalot2@...> wrote:

> Dave,
> I'm interested in anything you would make towards a Dreyfuss J3A. That will be my next custom.
> Neil
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68530 From: Bob Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Announcement: 1:64 Modeling Guide Special Offer Ends 2/29/12
Just a reminder that time is running out to get your free electronic copy of the Winter, 2012 issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine. This special offer is available only to potential new or returning subscribers. E-mail your request to: RLNPublishing@... or Bobnalbone04@...

Also, if you have received a renewal notice, please send your payment in as soon as possible. Money is tight!

Thanks!

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 68531 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: WGH Show Portland; MTH in 'S' ??
They cuss and discuss it regularly. For now, they make people and a few
accessories. I have heard rumors about trains to come for years.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 2/28/2012 5:40 AM, Herbert wrote:
> Speaking of the WGH show in Portland, I saw an item that MTH is seriously considering S Gauge, according to their reps. A friend of mine who attended the Springfield train show also told me that the MTH guys said they are discussing the matter.
> Herb Wasserman
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68532 From: tbennerohio Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: Any Requests?
I would also be interested in buying parts to make a Dreyfuss Hudson conversion OR buying one complete. I have looked at the AM Empire State Express model many many times wishing it were the plain grey Dreyfuss. A few times I have gotten close to ordering one just because it is close.

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Frank <femiro2002@...> wrote:
>
> Maybe American Models can make a Dreyfuss boiler to be used on their NY State Express engine chassis. Who knows maybe Ron will do a Dreyfuss in the near future.
> Frank
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:47 PM, NEIL FERRIS <bowlsalot2@...> wrote:
>
> > Dave,
> > I'm interested in anything you would make towards a Dreyfuss J3A. That will be my next custom.
> > Neil
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68533 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: Any Requests?
Neil,
� We are working on a new rounded boiler front for the #322's that will resemble the DRYFESS front. Should be out some time in the next few weeks.
� How does this sound to you? We already have the SCULLIN DISC driver hubs.
Dave


--- On Mon, 2/27/12, NEIL FERRIS <bowlsalot2@...> wrote:


From: NEIL FERRIS <bowlsalot2@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Any Requests?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 27, 2012, 9:47 PM



 



Dave,
I'm interested in anything you would make towards a Dreyfuss J3A.  That will be my next custom.
Neil

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68534 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: For Sale: Black Thin-Tie Straight Rubber Roadbed with track
I have 39 pieces in extraordinary condition.  I'm selling them for a guy who says they were never used.

The track is in beautiful rust-free condition with nice, shiny ties.  The rails could stand to be cleaned.

Asking $4.00 apiece.  Make offer.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68535 From: Obie Bell Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
The "Polar Express" movie seemed to go out of their way to include the "Train Nerd" character to explain to us all that the engine was a Berkshire. There was no mention of this in the book. This always made me wonder if Lionel didn't have input in the making of this movie in order to have a set ready for sale. If you look at the actual "Polar Express" book it is hard to tell what engine it is, as the train pictures {which are all very good} are in a foggy dream like state. It does not appear to have the boxy type look of a Berkshire. So just tell all of those die-hards that your version follows the book and as most know the book is usually better than the movie. I would like to see Lionel take the Northern with some heavyweights and do a Polar Express for Sgauge. That I think should make quite a nice looking set. I would think that Lionel would have thought of it as they already have all of the pieces. Maybe they think it might look too nice.Obie

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: lbstiles@...
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:21:37 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Polar Express Colors




























You are quite welcome, Jack. I do enjoy running it on my layout and on the club layout. It is a big hit, and to my knowledge, the only PE train in S gauge. I may very well be wrong, and based on the interest, it looks like lots of them might be running the rails soon!



The biggest complaint I seem to get from diehard AF collectors is that the engine is not a Berkshire-and therefore not correct.



I had the spare Pacific floating around, and that became the lucky candidate. The train is based on a cartoon for goodness sake! I am quite happy with it.



The hardest part is actually not preparing the cars or painting them...it is finding broken 652-3-4 series maroon passenger cars that are good cheap candidates. I think I have $40 in the whole train to this point.



Ben



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> Thanks Ben for all that information and for the great pics of your cars,

> especially the work on the observation car platform. I will look for that blue

> paint.

> You have a nice looking Polar Express train that I am sure goes over well at

> your shows.

> Jack

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68536 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: NASG Web Site Update
Hi All,

I've been making lots of minor changes all throughout the NASG web site.
Thank you all for providing me with up-to-date and corrected
information. I really appreciate the help. I pretty much work in a
vacuum here, so I need everyone's input.

Tonight I added Roger Nulton's "Seniority Rights" photo to the Scale
Modeling page. Thank you, Roger, for the great model, great photo, and
for so graciously allowing us to use it on the site.

The great photos "donated" by all are really showing that S is still
alive and vibrant.

Be sure to check out the "New Product Announcements" section of the
"News and Events" page, because there's been lots of S-related news lately.

I've been working on the Online Membership Directory feature of the site
over the past week or so. As previously stated, you can view and
optionally update your own membership profile information. I recently
added the ability for you to change your password for the Online
Membership Directory access (once you've signed up). Tonight I added the
ability to view NASG membership statistics. These show the number of
members, how many members are interested in certain aspects of the S
world, etc. I may add more statistics down the road. These are
automatically pulled from the Directory's database, so you will always
get the latest information. Of course, this section requires that you
are an NASG member and that you have registered for online access.

I think this completes the first wave of updates and needed features of
the site since its rebirth at the beginning of the month. There are
still plenty of things on the to-do list, so stay tuned.

I don't plan on announcing all changes made to the site to all the
various Yahoo Groups every time there's an update. I encourage you to
join the "nasgmembers" group on Yahoo, where I do post update notices
(see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nasgmembers/). If you want to stay
up-to-date but don't have a Yahoo account, see the RSS feed on the NASG
web site's "News and Events" page. Click on the orange icon on the "Top
10 Recent Web Site Changes" header or at the bottom of that section. In
that section, I've also added a link to the excellent Model Railroad
Hobbyist video tutorial, explaining what RSS feeds are.

Claude, the NASG Membership Secretary, mentioned to me the other day
that he's been quite busy with all the updates and renewals, so I'm glad
that the new NASG web site, at least partially, has increased interest
in the organization.

Thank you,
- Peter.
(NASG webmaster)
http://www.nasg.org/

--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
http://nasg.org/
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68537 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/29/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
You may remember that we offered exactly this combination two or three
years ago, along with a set of custom decals we had produced for the
Polar Express set. It included the AM Northern, and a full set of AM
Heavyweights, all undecorated. We still have only one of these sets left
available for purchase and decoration, but had to terminate the offer
when AM suspended the sale of the Northerns to dealers. We also have the
decal sets available separately, if you want to create your own set with
your own equipment. We can also supply the exact color matches used by
one of our customers when he created the set.



<<<I would like to see Lionel take the Northern with some heavyweights
and do a Polar Express for S-gauge. That I think should make quite a
nice looking set.>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 68538 From: charlie and edith Date: 2/29/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke Units - Parts
Greetings Carl, hope all is well.
Found some Tiki Wick material today .... must be a sign of Spring? This is about !/2 inch in diameter, am I on the right track? Looks like it can be seperated into wick size pieces? Thought I would check with you before I opened the package and ???
Look forward to your thoughts, thanks and best wishes,
Charlie



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From: carl@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Smoke Units - Parts



Charlie,

I use Tiki Torch wicking.
The 40 gauge nichrome wire can be found via Google.

Carl

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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of charlie and edith
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:46 PM
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke Units - Parts

Greetings!
Need some wick material and wire sold seperately, not in a "kit" format.
Any thoughts on who might still sell these as seperate items?
Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
Charlie

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68539 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 2/29/2012
Subject: Polar Express Locomotive
The Locomotive used for the movie IS Pere Marquette Berkshire 1225.
This locomotive was saved from the scrap line for display at Michigan
State University because of its cab number, 1225. The person looking
over the dead line for a suitable engine settled on it because it was
a "Christmas Engine." Oddly, in the movie there is no cab number, yet
"1225" would have fit in perfectly.

If you're not aware, the engine is currently in running condition.
The restoration started with some college kids who thought it would
be neat to see their display locomotive run. This started in 1971!

S'

David Dewey


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68540 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 2/29/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke Units - Parts
Charlie,

The wick is bound together with a netting. This gets cut off and inside is a
rope of several individual wicks. These get unwoven from the rope and are
the perfect size for the replacement smoke element wicks.

Measure your 40 gauge nicrome wire with an ohm meter and cut off a 25-30 ohm
piece for a 4 wire loco or a 35-40 ohm piece for a 5 wire loco to wind on
the wick.
A 4 wire loco the element is in parallel with the motor brushes and only
gets a fraction of the track voltage. A 5 wire loco the element gets the
full track voltage from the 5th wire.

Carl

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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of charlie and edith
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:19 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke Units - Parts



Greetings Carl, hope all is well.
Found some Tiki Wick material today .... must be a sign of Spring? This is
about !/2 inch in diameter, am I on the right track? Looks like it can be
seperated into wick size pieces? Thought I would check with you before I
opened the package and ???
Look forward to your thoughts, thanks and best wishes,
Charlie

----- Original Message -----
From: carl@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Smoke Units - Parts

Charlie,

I use Tiki Torch wicking.
The 40 gauge nichrome wire can be found via Google.

Carl

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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of charlie and edith
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:46 PM
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke Units - Parts

Greetings!
Need some wick material and wire sold seperately, not in a "kit" format.
Any thoughts on who might still sell these as seperate items?
Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
Charlie

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68541 From: Don Thompson Date: 2/29/2012
Subject: Re: "L" EL U33C (or U36C...)
I ended up with two #3320 EL U33c's. I do not need two with the same number. If someone would like to trade one for the other number or a Conrail U33c, I would be most appreciated. I will happily pay for shipping both way...
Don Thompson
732-718-9571
Group: S-Trains Message: 68542 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/29/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Locomotive
----- Original Message -----
From: djdewey@...
The Locomotive used for the movie IS Pere Marquette Berkshire 1225. This
locomotive was saved from the scrap line for display at Michigan State
University. . . . . . . . . . . .
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Thanks, David.
Twin sister Pere Marquette Berkshire 1223 is still on display, inoperative,
at Grand Haven Mich. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pere_Marquette_1223
< < < < < < < < < < < < < <
If you're not aware, the engine is currently in running condition.
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I've heard it will not run again until it undergoes substantial work.
Read more about it at
http://michigansteamtrain.com/sri/

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 68543 From: iradiate1967 Date: 2/29/2012
Subject: SHS 2-8-0 for sale/trade soon, UP with flyer comp wheels, DC no soun
Giving folks here a heads up. I will be posting a Union Pacific steam loco for sale in the near future, an S Helper Service 2-8-0 flyer comp wheels DC no sound. It is currently en route to S Helper along with a undec loco for a shell swap.

The UP was purchased with scale wheels, the undec was purchased with flyer compatible wheels. I needed the opposite! Both drive trains have NEVER been run, so when finished both my undec and the UP loco will still be new.

I will also take an undecorated NW-2 as partial trade, or full trade if it has sound. Contact me off list if interested....


Vince
Group: S-Trains Message: 68544 From: Wayne B. Date: 3/1/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express
I have been expecting and waiting for years now for Lionel to make a Polar Express in S guage.  I was SURE they would have done it by now.  I cannot believe this money making opportunity they have had for several years now, and yet have sat on their fat behinds doing nothing.
 
I am SURE they would have sold many many sets!  I for one would have bought it years ago.   I now look to MTH who has ALWAYS had a brain, to step in and take away the profits from Lionel!
 
Wayne Broadhead
Operator/Collector of American Flyer since 1986

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68545 From: Obie Bell Date: 3/1/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express
Hello Wayne, I also would like to see this release. However, as I wrote about this a couple of days ago they have all the necessary pieces they just need the Polar Express decorations. Imagine an A.F. Northern or Pacific with Heavyweights done up as the Polar Express sitting next to Lionel's O version. If you did not collect or operate trains and just wanted one for Christmas time which set do you think would have the most appeal? Lionel has to be between a rock and a hard place here as they must know that this train would sell, But at the same time they don't want one time or first time buyers starting with S gauge. As I wrote earlier maybe they know it would be TOO NICE!Obie

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: afvair@...
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 06:32:35 -0800
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Polar Express




























I have been expecting and waiting for years now for Lionel to make a Polar Express in S guage. I was SURE they would have done it by now. I cannot believe this money making opportunity they have had for several years now, and yet have sat on their fat behinds doing nothing.



I am SURE they would have sold many many sets! I for one would have bought it years ago. I now look to MTH who has ALWAYS had a brain, to step in and take away the profits from Lionel!



Wayne Broadhead

Operator/Collector of American Flyer since 1986



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68546 From: Randall Griggs Date: 3/1/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 AF catalog
I sent an email to Lionel through their web site asking:  When is the reported 2012 American Flyer catalog going to be posted on your web site
Their response:  "Hello, The RTR and American Flyer catalogs will go live on www.lionel.com on Friday, March 2 at 9:30 am."
Regards, Randy Griggs

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68547 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/1/2012
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert Flyer curved black wide-tie rubber roadbed
I have 31 pieces in truly excellent, near like-new, condition without track.  Clean and bright shiny black.  No tears, holes, or warping.  On many you can see a faint shadow of where the rails once were.  Asking $2.25 apiece plus actual shipping.  Make offer for part or all.

I can also provide track if you need it, ranging from ten cents for rusty track to a dollar for beautiful, clean and rust-free pieces.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68548 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/1/2012
Subject: Re: Flyonel Polar Express?
This is just a guess, based on my years working in a hobby shop, byt perhaps there is another possibility as to why there is no S guage "Polar Express." Perhaps Lionel does not have the "rights" to produce one in S gauge?
Anything owned by Hollywood must have the marketing rights negotiated and a fee and other arrangements made with the studio or production company which "owns" the film or TV show. Serious thought is given to possible market size and overall units to be sold, and the rights calculated accordingly with the film people watching like a hawk during the entire process.
While the first taste of profitable sales of toys and collectables for the studios were with James Bond and Batman toys, the real proof that BIG money could be made was with "Star Wars" in 1977. While released through Twentieth Century Fox, George Lucas (LucasFilm today) retained the rights to market books, videos, toys, and collactables, because 20th Century considered "Star Wars" a "B" movie when it was released. Lucas chose Kenner Toy to market the toys at that time, and it benefited both companies greatly, eventually making almost as much money as the film itself (quite and achievement!) This proved once and for all that there was serious additional money to be made by a studio or production company through sales of toys and collectables. (No doubt 20th Century didn't make the same mistake as it had with "Star Wars" again!)
I understand that Lionel failed to make sales figures on their O gauge "Hogwarts Express" and they are stuck with truck loads of slow selling G gauge "Hogwarts" sets, but Warner Brothers still had to be paid.
The "rights" ain't cheap these days, especially for a successful "property!" Connect that with production costs and low possible unit sales in a small segment of their business, and that could explain why there's no S gauge "Polar Express."
Just as guess folks...
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68549 From: Obie Bell Date: 3/1/2012
Subject: Re: Flyonel Polar Express?
I would think that since Lionel has already secured the "rights" to produce a Polar Express train, adding the same in S gauge would only add to the total sales. That they were contracted to produce in one specific size seems rather doubtful, although with legal contracts entirely possible. Kenner produced the "Star Wars" toys in various sizes or scales, the same could be done with train sets. It would mostly deal with the terms of the contract and defining what the meaning of is is. Good point Stumpy right or not it's something to consider.Obie

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: mrstumpy@...
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 21:49:00 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Flyonel Polar Express?




























This is just a guess, based on my years working in a hobby shop, byt perhaps there is another possibility as to why there is no S guage "Polar Express." Perhaps Lionel does not have the "rights" to produce one in S gauge?

Anything owned by Hollywood must have the marketing rights negotiated and a fee and other arrangements made with the studio or production company which "owns" the film or TV show. Serious thought is given to possible market size and overall units to be sold, and the rights calculated accordingly with the film people watching like a hawk during the entire process.

While the first taste of profitable sales of toys and collectables for the studios were with James Bond and Batman toys, the real proof that BIG money could be made was with "Star Wars" in 1977. While released through Twentieth Century Fox, George Lucas (LucasFilm today) retained the rights to market books, videos, toys, and collactables, because 20th Century considered "Star Wars" a "B" movie when it was released. Lucas chose Kenner Toy to market the toys at that time, and it benefited both companies greatly, eventually making almost as much money as the film itself (quite and achievement!) This proved once and for all that there was serious additional money to be made by a studio or production company through sales of toys and collectables. (No doubt 20th Century didn't make the same mistake as it had with "Star Wars" again!)

I understand that Lionel failed to make sales figures on their O gauge "Hogwarts Express" and they are stuck with truck loads of slow selling G gauge "Hogwarts" sets, but Warner Brothers still had to be paid.

The "rights" ain't cheap these days, especially for a successful "property!" Connect that with production costs and low possible unit sales in a small segment of their business, and that could explain why there's no S gauge "Polar Express."

Just as guess folks...

Stumpy in Ahia


















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Group: S-Trains Message: 68550 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Flyer Catalog
Lionel was supposed to have their Flyer Catalog out today. I just checked their web page and nothing is there.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 68551 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Catalog
Supposed to be later this morning about 9:30 according to what I heard.

Carl


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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of rapidrail1
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 6:53 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Catalog



Lionel was supposed to have their Flyer Catalog out today. I just checked
their web page and nothing is there.

Wayne






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Group: S-Trains Message: 68552 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Catalog
I thought they said something like 9:30 am or so. Even on EST it is
only 7:10 am:-) (although it is 1:10 pm here)!
hope it goes on later today.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68553 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 AF catalog
The American Flyer catalog is up!



Bob



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68554 From: Herbert Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Catalog
It's there. You have to click beyond the first page.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68555 From: Frank Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Catalog
I am sure it might be Central Time. Maybe the weather is holding it up.

Sent from my iPhone

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68556 From: Ben Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express
I made my own set because I could see they were never going to make one...and if they did, it would not run well, although it would undoubtedly look awesome!

The S gauge consumer market is too small for a run of a special train set like this. This is why time and again at York when asking MTH reps if they are ever going to delve into S they say it is not likely. I also look at all of thr small companies that have focused on S in recent years...production hangups abound and they are the first ones off the line as they have smaller orders.

I also enjoyed making my own set-like Stumpy, I like to tinker. Sooner or later I will post a photo album of my circus loads. I am right in the middle of creation of a Human Cannonball truck right now. It is looking pretty good. I like train time that is cheap and rewarding.

Ben

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68557 From: Frank Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Flyer Catalog try this link
Group: S-Trains Message: 68558 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Catalog try this link
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer Club
� Arlington, Texas
It is up on Lionels Website. It lets you zoom in on everything listed.
� Thanks,
Alan


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From: Frank <femiro2002@...>
To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 10:05 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Catalog try this link



 

http://www.lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/Catalog.cfm?CatalogID=78&CatalogUID=DDAE43C2-1016-347D-DC5ECF578C58070A&pageID=2075

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68559 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express
Ben,
     If you get a chance take a look at our web site we have a lot of circus related decals you might find helpful. If you don't see what you need we can always make them for you.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
502-292-1872
 


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From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Polar Express
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 2, 2012, 10:57 AM



 



I made my own set because I could see they were never going to make one...and if they did, it would not run well, although it would undoubtedly look awesome!

The S gauge consumer market is too small for a run of a special train set like this. This is why time and again at York when asking MTH reps if they are ever going to delve into S they say it is not likely. I also look at all of thr small companies that have focused on S in recent years...production hangups abound and they are the first ones off the line as they have smaller orders.

I also enjoyed making my own set-like Stumpy, I like to tinker. Sooner or later I will post a photo album of my circus loads. I am right in the middle of creation of a Human Cannonball truck right now. It is looking pretty good. I like train time that is cheap and rewarding.

Ben

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68560 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Catalog try this link
I am a scaler but I still am happy to see the huge investment that Lionel
is making in S gauge including a few things with the option of scale
wheels.

This is the link from Frank Femiro which shows the full line of new
products, not just the new steam locomotives.



_http://www.lionel.com/Product
s/Catalogs/Catalog.cfm?CatalogID=78&CatalogUID=DDAE43C2-1016-347D-DC5ECF578C58070A&pageID=2075_
(http://www.lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/Catalog.cfm?CatalogID=78&CatalogUID=DDAE43C2-1016-347D-DC5ECF
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I am especially happy to see that the switches will be available to go with
the sectional track. These do not look as nice as the SHS turnouts but
they may be perfect for the highrail layout I am planning for our grandson.
I hope these are going to be reliable turnouts. I have no experience with
Fasttrack in other gauges. I am hopeful that they will be reliable
because they are made only for highrail and not trying to serve both highrail and
scale. Time will tell.

Anyone have experience with Fastrack turnouts in HO or O or any other
gauges?

There are so many colorful diesels being offered and ones for the modern
guys (not us transition period guys). I wonder if the SD70s will have that
awful swinging front truck like the U33Cs? I sure hope not Do the rear
trucks also swing out on the U33Cs?

The artwork for the Crescent Limited shows a cream color instead of the
light green along the middle. Hopefully Lionel will get it right when they
actually paint the cars. No guarantee though. For all their investment,
they are slow to correct a lot of things (like silhouettes of passenger at
dining tables in the kitchen area of the dining cars).

It promises to be an interesting year of waiting to actually see these new
offerings.




- Earl Henry, Nashville





In a message dated 3/2/2012 10:06:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,
femiro2002@... writes:




_http://www.lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/Catalog.cfm?CatalogID=78&CatalogUID
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68561 From: R G Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Catalog try this link
Well I went to my local hobby store and order a new mallet and SD60 locomotives and a few cars!



________________________________
From: Frank <femiro2002@...>
To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 11:05 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Catalog try this link


 
http://www.lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/Catalog.cfm?CatalogID=78&CatalogUID=DDAE43C2-1016-347D-DC5ECF578C58070A&pageID=2075

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68562 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 AF catalog
Silly me. My day starts at 6am. The listing is nice. I was hoping they would offer some RB circus add-ons. Oh well, I guess I'll have to make my own. I improved their combine. I'll post a photo when done. I thought there would be nothing I would want, then I saw the Southern Pacific with cars. I have the AM set, but this is different. I guess I'll have to order one.

Wayne

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68563 From: Robert Conner Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: NEW CATALOG
Saw it... Looked up the 2-8-8-2 N & W....Ro has my order now!!!!!!!!!! Just got off phone!!!! Bob Conner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68564 From: Rich Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: 2012 Flyonel catalog
There are some nice offerings in this catalog. One thing I don't see is whether they will still offer/import/sell previous listings - e.g. the Challenger, Big Boy, etc. Does anyone know?

- Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 68565 From: Ron Inscho Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 AF catalog
Yes it is up and it the only really new offerings would be the Y-6b and the Sd-60 , all the rest is the same old stuff dipped in new colors , and the now infamous trucks that just fall apart have returned for another season .



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68566 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: AF Switcher Curtain
Hi,

Does anyone know how to tell if a curtain for the 21004 and 21005 engines might be a repro?

I have two of these, as I am doing a curtain exchange from a seller of a 21005, due to a broken tab.

One has a 1 on the back and the other has a 2 on the back.

If they are repros, I will live with it.

Also, did the 21145 engine have a curtain on it too?

Thank you very much for any help on this.

Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68567 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: 2012 AF catalog
The new steam engine is a Y3 (not a Y6) and the new diesel is a SD70ACe in
several Heritage schemes, both fully Legacy equipped. The SD70ACe is far
more contemporary than an SD-60 or anything else offered in S. Let's get the
types correctly, shall we? You missed the new scale cylindrical hoppers and
the Fastrack turnouts. The two new engines and the hoppers are completely
new to S. The U-boats hardly qualify as 'same old stuff' -- not yet,
anyway. The Southern Crescent is gorgeous and, if it is anything like the Alton
and Blue Comet, ought to be a super set. All in all, this is an appealing
catalog.

Gee, you just can't please some folks. ;-)

Bob Bubeck

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68568 From: Neil Trump Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 AF catalog
I think you find it is a Y3a and not a Y6b, not as nice as the b but there we go......

Neil

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68569 From: Jimbo Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: new s gauge
I really like the looks of the cresent, gonna have to save maybe for christmass, but hope to see it, before i buy it.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68570 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 AF catalog
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Inscho
Yes it is up and it the only really new offerings would be the Y-6b and the
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http://www.lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/Catalog.cfm?CatalogID=78&CatalogUID=DDAE43C2-1016-347D-DC5ECF578C58070A&pageID=2075

I know nothing about steam locos, but in the diesel department there is the
U33C with more paint schemes and an SD70ACe in several interesting modern
schemes. There's also a cylindrical tank car, usually associated with
Canadian wheat shipping, in CN, Saskatchewan, and other names. I did not
find any "Sd-60."

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 68571 From: Brady Burdge Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: NS Heritage schemes are now Official
Paint schemes for the new NS Heritage units..

http://www.nscorp.com/nscportal/nscorp/Media/images/heritage_images.html



Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 68572 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 Flyonel catalog
I thought I heard that the BB was sold out. Don¹t know about the C¹s, but I
have seen them advertised by retailers.
Roy



From: Rich <richs009@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 20:10:25 +0000
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] 2012 Flyonel catalog






There are some nice offerings in this catalog. One thing I don't see is
whether they will still offer/import/sell previous listings - e.g. the
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- Rich








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Group: S-Trains Message: 68573 From: Steven Allen Date: 3/3/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express
I agree with Ben, the group may be too small for Lionel to consider, but then I was shocked by the new catalog offerings. I made a Polar Express train set a couple years ago using an undecorated American Models Northern and a 5 car undecorated set of AM heavyweights. I airbrushed the cars after having matched the paint colors as best I could (vs the Lionel verion). At the time I did the set, Doug Peck from Port Line Hobbies (whom I got the entire package from) ran a Polar Express special (just prior to the China syndrome with Sanda Kan). It took me about 2 weeks to complete the painting, as I waited in between colors to allow the paint to properly cure before masking to spray the next color. The major stumbling block here is the decal set, I'm not sure if Doug has any others, but you could contact LBR Enterprises and I'm sure they would be glad to run some sets if there was enough interest generated. Good Luck.

Steven Allen
Pioneer Valley S-Gaugers

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68574 From: Eric Date: 3/3/2012
Subject: S Helper Cars for sale
I need some room and these are not going to make it to the layout if I want
to keep trains running around it. Make me an offer, thanks.



1. SHS 01402 ORE Cars 2 cars from the DMIR set 31047 and 31406
only, no kadees, can include scale wheels, if requested has 2 of the
packages of screws, etc. otherwise new in box - $50 for both cars



2. SHS 01843 covered hopper Canada Southern 880155 NIB $40



3. SHS 01843 covered hopper Canada Southern 880147 NIB $40



4. SHS 00000 Rebuit box car Painted brown unlettered NIB $40



5. SHS 00000 Rebuit box car Painted brown unlettered NIB $40



6. SHS 00000 Rebuit box car Painted brown unlettered NIB $40



7. SHS 001170 Hopper, panel, 3 car set Anderson yellow 105,126,117
NIB $75



8. SHS 01172 Hopper, panel Canadian national A 3 car set NIB $75



9. SHS 00571 Refer Baby Ruth #2 6268 NIB $45



10. SHS 01803 Refer Marhoefer 72202 NIB $45



11. SHS 01638 Refer OFPX Veggies 4003 NIB $45



12. SHS 02045 Eatmore Cranberries NWX14021 NIB $45



13. SHS 00322 Bulkhead flat ASTF JM Load �used� $40



14. SHS 00383 Flat with TOFC trailer DRGW �used� $45



15. AM 3451 BN black hopper hirail 514105 �used� $30



Everything has an original box and original foam insert. All NIB should be
set up as hi rail wheels and knuckle couplers with the scale wheels in the
box as per SHS new. The used may not have the extra wheels , I can swap
out if you need the scale wheels.



Shipping should be about $7-$20 for anything. $7 if you buy 1 , a little
more if you buy a bunch up to $20 max.



Make me an offer on any or all of it�.Paypal, Postal money order, check all
work.


Eric Reis
Kenmore, WA


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68575 From: JAN ANDERSON Date: 3/3/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 AF catalog
Hello Randall:

This may be a long shot, but my sister-in-law's maiden name was "Griggs"
Her father's name was Charles Edward Griggs, Born in Kent County Ontario Canada December 26, 1904 and died September 19, 1964. He is buried in Dresden Cemetery, Dresden Ontario.
He was the son of Charles Griggs and Maggie Fleming
He married Violet LaVerna McCracken in Blenheim, Ontario Canada on June 25, 1936

Was Charles Edward Griggs any relation to you?

Thankyou
Janice Anderson


----- Original Message -----
From: Randall Griggs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 3:22 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 2012 AF catalog



I sent an email to Lionel through their web site asking: When is the reported 2012 American Flyer catalog going to be posted on your web site
Their response: "Hello, The RTR and American Flyer catalogs will go live on www.lionel.com on Friday, March 2 at 9:30 am."
Regards, Randy Griggs

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68576 From: Brady Date: 3/3/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 AF catalog
The catalog has an option on the left side of the screen to download it as a PDF file, might be easier to view..

http://www.lionel.com/products/catalogs/Interactive/2012americanflyer/index.html


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 68577 From: Brady Date: 3/3/2012
Subject: 2012 MTH R-T-R Catalog
It has a few accessory items that'll work with S..

http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/catalog_files/2012_ortr/index.html

As a side note, the (conventional) remote for the Z-4000 transformer is cataloged again after being absent for several years.


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 68578 From: Dave Bellian Date: 3/3/2012
Subject: Re: SHS 2-8-0 for sale/trade soon, UP with flyer comp wheels, DC no
Hello All, We have a large group of S decals mostly from Dave at LBR. We had made, in the past, the Military flats, you may have seen at some of the shows. The decal sets we have, we just won't be getting around to using them , Mostly tank car sets and a few reefers, also the sets we used for the flats are available.Dave's decals are second to none, and I have used them for signage as well as on rolling stock. Contact me off list, we have 50 or better sets. thanks,


Dave


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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/4/2012, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68580 From: Jimbo Date: 3/3/2012
Subject: New cat.
I like it, it is a daring move by lionel s scale, that competes with there o scale, and it cost alot to retool to make these items, there are several I will eventually buy, there is an old saying
IF THEY BUY IT WE WILL BUILD IT no profit no build, no one can afford to run a company on hope, yep we all would like to see different things but at least there making the effort, alot of companys have withdrawn from s, if they make profits it will atract attention, and i like that they made it dual system, legacy are normal transformer. We need the funny out of scale moving buildings to attract the youth to trains, when they get old like us then they can argue about a 1/16 difference if its scale are not, but its gotta be played with to attract todays youth, and affordable, here unlike the rest of the world, trains are only seen as movers not transportation so they have to be attracted with seeds of youthfull fun that can be developed later.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68581 From: John Degnan Date: 3/3/2012
Subject: FS : Great Model Railroads - First 5 Issues!!!
I have the first five issues (1991-1995) of Great Model Railroads magazine, and they need a new home.

All are in near perfect condition.

I am asking $20 for all five issues, and that also covers shipping.

I perfer PayPal or money orders... No checks, please.

First come, first serve.

Thanks.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...
Scaler187@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68582 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: The Gilbert Chicago Hall of Science
I recently became aware of the existence on the web of several photos of
the layout at the Gilbert Hall of Science in Chicago, so I posted direct
links to those photos on my American Flyer Displays
<http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org> website. They were from an
auction held in 2009 but are still posted on the web. Take a look at
http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/ghos/ghos-chicago_overview_nf.htm

Dale Smith


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68583 From: Thorin Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Re: 2012 Flyonel catalog
Good morning:
It is time I chime in. I looked at the new Lionel catalog on-line. When was the last time AF had its own catalog? A scale Challenger?

At TrainFest this year I was permitted to handle the Challenger as much as I wanted. I am impressed. Now a scale N&W Y? (And during WWII UP did own some, second hand. They hated them. They were too slow. The final Y6b had better economies than the current diesels.) When Lionel brings out an SP cab forward I will be first in line.

I wrote Doug Peck asking him to send me a copy of the catalog. My bad eyes need paper. (Doug Peck has been my 'pusher' for AF parts for many years. There are other good dealers starting with Des Plaines Hobbies.)

If Lionel has decide to compete head-to-head with AM and SHS on quality then I will buy. I plan to ignore the re-runs of Gilbert's AF. (I have plenty.) I will order each in scale and ask Doug to catch a matching set of High Rail wheels.

Someone else mentioned we are getting older. True. But the past decade HAS been the golden age of S. And, not counting the Chinese upset, it is still getting better and better. It is a great time to be in S.

Thorin
Milwaukee, WI
Still a youngster at 53
Group: S-Trains Message: 68584 From: Thorin Marty Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Lionel's Legacy versus DCC
Good morning:
Lionel's new offering are impressive.

My question is simple. Is it safe to have DCC equipped models on the same track
when running Lionel's Legacy?

Legacy models on DCC?

DC models on Legacy?

I know DC on DCC is safe if not coreless.

And AC is safe on anything.

Hmm. Three questions, not one.
Thorin


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68585 From: afjeff_56 Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: 2012 American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68586 From: Al Baker Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: AM K-4 Lubrication
Does anyone know if the AM smoke cylinders are supposed to be lubricated? If so with what? My K-4 developed a loud squeak when it backed up (only). I lubed it and it went away. I used the SnS lub which contains molybdenium, lithium, and graphite and I believe I remember Steve saying it could be used on about anything. But I'm not sure about this.

My only other remaining problem is that when the loco backs up now, it runs nice and quiet. Great! But going forward I am getting a couple differest squeaks, not loud, but definite. They are there even if I disconnect the smoke piston. I've lubed about everything else including the gears that drive the wheels. Any ideas?

Al Baker
Group: S-Trains Message: 68587 From: Frank Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Re: The Gilbert Chicago Hall of Science
Very nice.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 4, 2012, at 1:01 AM, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> wrote:

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> the layout at the Gilbert Hall of Science in Chicago, so I posted direct
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> auction held in 2009 but are still posted on the web. Take a look at
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68588 From: David Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: AF #300 - 302 NEW Boiler Front (Advertisement)
QUESTION: If we produced a NEW CAST METAL BOILER FRONT WITH CENTER HEAD
LIGHT for the AF #300 & #302 (3 piece metal cab)
how many could we count on you to purchase.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872
Group: S-Trains Message: 68589 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Re: AF #300 - 302 NEW Boiler Front (Advertisement)
Dave,

You have to give more information for an educated answer.

It would depend greatly on price but in my case at most 2.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 3/4/2012 12:13 PM, David wrote:
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68590 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: 2012 catalog effects
Hi all,
I also read the S-Scale list--those guys that couldn't stand our talking
about AF & Highrail, so it was agreed to make a "scale" list. Well, the 2012
catalog started a LOT of posting about the AF offerings and of course the
"rivet counters" couldn't help but bash anything not "just right" about the
new stuff & how it's hurting S Scale. It's gotten so bad that some members
have asked to leave the list. I'm just amazed by the intolerance of so
many--but then that's why we have so many protestant denominations too!
So folks, let us agree to disagree, but not to anger each other! This
internet communications thing is still hard to deal with, where we don't see
vocal inflections nor the "wink of the eye" when folks are making
statements.
Now, one thing I thought puzzling in the catalog was the "scale" cars on new
scale trucks (roller bearing even!) but with AF couplers on them. So, are
the scale wheels compatible with our AF "toy train" trackwork? Also, I note
the new dismal locos are available with either scale or AF wheels. Now I'm
just a guy out here, but it would seem to me to be much cheaper to offer
them with both wheelsets in the box, then you only have one version to
catalog and ship--and only one assembly line process too. Don or Ron can
probably chime in with actual production savings and tell us if I'm wrong or
not.
Meantime, now that AF has a 2-8-8-2 chassis; I want an SP cab forward boiler
for one!!! (Dream on, I know). Hmm, I wonder how long these engines will
take to be shipped? The Texas Special is now listed in July, and (other than
the electronics) is all old tooling. . . .(AFAIK!)
So, all of the previous are just musings from me in the AM waiting for my
ebay search for stage plugs to download. Dial-up is SOOOO much fun--NOT!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 68591 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: UP Heritage diesels
Flyonel has screwed up the Cab numbers on the new Heritage UP diesels. The cab
number is supposed to reflect the year that UP took over that railroad. So for
example the CNW loco should have a cab number of 1985. Evidently, someone was
dyslexic and nobody proof read the items so they all got the wrong cab numbers
on them (Incidentally the O-Gauge locos are wrong too.)


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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/4/2012, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68593 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Jen's Barrel Warehouse Photos
Hi All,

Tracie and I have been working on Jen's Barrel Warehouse. Jen is our daughter-in-law. She visited us two weeks ago and went to a train show with us. She quickly noticed that 3-rail track is stupid - lol. You can see some photos of the barrels we made loaded on M2 trucks ready for delivery starting here:

http://tinyurl.com/7pxqdyq

Have fun and check out some other members' photos while you're in the Photos section!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68594 From: Mike Vaughn Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: What is the best way to clean old equipment
I have just unpacked my old American Flyer trains that have been packed away for decades. They are generally in very good shape although some of the cars have mildew on parts of the plastic. Typically parts of the body, trucks or the old link couplers. What is the best way to clean them up that will not diminish their value?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68595 From: willisbd Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Shelf Layout - Railroading Merit
I'm teaching the Royal Rangers Railroading Merit to a 4th grade class of boys. To help fulfill some of the requirements, we are building a shelf layout in the wide section of the hallway (6' x 27'). I'll be posting pictures in the 'Rangers Layout' album as we go. One of our projects is to refurbish a Flyer passenger station. I had a striped out Talking Station (no mechanism, no windows, bad paint). We striped the paint and decided to repaint in the theme of our local Huntsville Historic Depot (a dirty yellow with green trim). I used pin-stripe tape on the roof so that when it was painted, it would look like a tin roof. The back of the platform and roof was trimmed off to the back of the station to get it to fit on the shelf. The ramp was moved from the back to the end - the tabs matched perfectly except for the ones at the bottom of the ramp which we just bent over. A paint marker was used on the windows and trim. I'm very pleased with the result and I've posted the station pictures in the album, along with a photo of the local depot for comparison. - Bruce W.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68596 From: Frank Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Re: Shelf Layout - Railroading Merit
Sounds great. Can not wait to see the photos.

Sent from my iPhone

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68597 From: Jerry Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Re: AM K-4 Lubrication
Al,

Squeaks are hard to diagnose. It sounds like you lubed everything. Try looking at the wipers on the pick up wheels. Sometimes they will be the cause. Turn the wheels by hand while upside down to make the determination. I sometimes find this is the case. I use a dielectric grease available at hardware stores. It provides lubrication while keeping electrical conductivity.

And like Gilbert, I wouldn't recommend lubricating the smoke piston. Others may differ on this though. If you DO decide to try lubrication it, do so exceedingly sparingly, and use the SnS lube.

Just a thought and my two centavos.....

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the AM smoke cylinders are supposed to be lubricated? If so with what? My K-4 developed a loud squeak when it backed up (only). I lubed it and it went away. I used the SnS lub which contains molybdenium, lithium, and graphite and I believe I remember Steve saying it could be used on about anything. But I'm not sure about this.
>
> My only other remaining problem is that when the loco backs up now, it runs nice and quiet. Great! But going forward I am getting a couple differest squeaks, not loud, but definite. They are there even if I disconnect the smoke piston. I've lubed about everything else including the gears that drive the wheels. Any ideas?
>
> Al Baker
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68598 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Re: S Helper Cars for sale
Hi Eric,


I'd go $135.00 plus shipping for items 1, 7 &9.


Let me know.


Thanks




Mark Anderman





----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric" <ericrhere@...>
To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, s-scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 3:46:08 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] S Helper Cars for sale

I need some room and these are not going to make it to the layout if I want
to keep trains running around it. Make me an offer, thanks.



1. SHS 01402 ORE Cars 2 cars from the DMIR set 31047 and 31406
only, no kadees, can include scale wheels, if requested has 2 of the
packages of screws, etc. otherwise new in box - $50 for both cars



2. SHS 01843 covered hopper Canada Southern 880155 NIB $40



3. SHS 01843 covered hopper Canada Southern 880147 NIB $40



4. SHS 00000 Rebuit box car Painted brown unlettered NIB $40



5. SHS 00000 Rebuit box car Painted brown unlettered NIB $40



6. SHS 00000 Rebuit box car Painted brown unlettered NIB $40



7. SHS 001170 Hopper, panel, 3 car set Anderson yellow 105,126,117
NIB $75



8. SHS 01172 Hopper, panel Canadian national A 3 car set NIB $75



9. SHS 00571 Refer Baby Ruth #2 6268 NIB $45



10. SHS 01803 Refer Marhoefer 72202 NIB $45



11. SHS 01638 Refer OFPX Veggies 4003 NIB $45



12. SHS 02045 Eatmore Cranberries NWX14021 NIB $45



13. SHS 00322 Bulkhead flat ASTF JM Load �used� $40



14. SHS 00383 Flat with TOFC trailer DRGW �used� $45



15. AM 3451 BN black hopper hirail 514105 �used� $30



Everything has an original box and original foam insert. All NIB should be
set up as hi rail wheels and knuckle couplers with the scale wheels in the
box as per SHS new. The used may not have the extra wheels , I can swap
out if you need the scale wheels.



Shipping should be about $7-$20 for anything. $7 if you buy 1 , a little
more if you buy a bunch up to $20 max.



Make me an offer on any or all of it�.Paypal, Postal money order, check all
work.


Eric Reis
Kenmore, WA


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68599 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AM K-4 Lubrication
Jerry,



"Dielectric grease" is actually an insulator (and is usually a type of
silicone grease). It would be preferable to use a conductive grease for
this purpose rather than one that insulates, but the layer of grease is so
thin that it likely does not matter.



Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jerry
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 7:06 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AM K-4 Lubrication





Al,

Squeaks are hard to diagnose. It sounds like you lubed everything. Try
looking at the wipers on the pick up wheels. Sometimes they will be the
cause. Turn the wheels by hand while upside down to make the determination.
I sometimes find this is the case. I use a dielectric grease available at
hardware stores. It provides lubrication while keeping electrical
conductivity.

And like Gilbert, I wouldn't recommend lubricating the smoke piston. Others
may differ on this though. If you DO decide to try lubrication it, do so
exceedingly sparingly, and use the SnS lube.

Just a thought and my two centavos.....

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Al
Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the AM smoke cylinders are supposed to be lubricated?
If so with what? My K-4 developed a loud squeak when it backed up (only). I
lubed it and it went away. I used the SnS lub which contains molybdenium,
lithium, and graphite and I believe I remember Steve saying it could be used
on about anything. But I'm not sure about this.
>
> My only other remaining problem is that when the loco backs up now, it
runs nice and quiet. Great! But going forward I am getting a couple
differest squeaks, not loud, but definite. They are there even if I
disconnect the smoke piston. I've lubed about everything else including the
gears that drive the wheels. Any ideas?
>
> Al Baker
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68600 From: Eric Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: S Helper Cars for sale
2 ore cars $50, 3 hoppers $75, and the Baby Ruth is sold and gone. I'll
go $120 shipped for the 5 cars or $150 with one of the other refers (11 or
12 still avail.)

eric

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 6:57 PM, <Manderman@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi Eric,
>
> I'd go $135.00 plus shipping for items 1, 7 &9.
>
> Let me know.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark Anderman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric" <ericrhere@...>
> To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, s-scale@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 3:46:08 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] S Helper Cars for sale
>
> I need some room and these are not going to make it to the layout if I
> want
> to keep trains running around it. Make me an offer, thanks.
>
> 1. SHS 01402 ORE Cars 2 cars from the DMIR set 31047 and 31406
> only, no kadees, can include scale wheels, if requested has 2 of the
> packages of screws, etc. otherwise new in box - $50 for both cars
>
> 2. SHS 01843 covered hopper Canada Southern 880155 NIB $40
>
> 3. SHS 01843 covered hopper Canada Southern 880147 NIB $40
>
> 4. SHS 00000 Rebuit box car Painted brown unlettered NIB $40
>
> 5. SHS 00000 Rebuit box car Painted brown unlettered NIB $40
>
> 6. SHS 00000 Rebuit box car Painted brown unlettered NIB $40
>
> 7. SHS 001170 Hopper, panel, 3 car set Anderson yellow 105,126,117
> NIB $75
>
> 8. SHS 01172 Hopper, panel Canadian national A 3 car set NIB $75
>
> 9. SHS 00571 Refer Baby Ruth #2 6268 NIB $45
>
> 10. SHS 01803 Refer Marhoefer 72202 NIB $45
>
> 11. SHS 01638 Refer OFPX Veggies 4003 NIB $45
>
> 12. SHS 02045 Eatmore Cranberries NWX14021 NIB $45
>
> 13. SHS 00322 Bulkhead flat ASTF JM Load �used� $40
>
> 14. SHS 00383 Flat with TOFC trailer DRGW �used� $45
>
> 15. AM 3451 BN black hopper hirail 514105 �used� $30
>
> Everything has an original box and original foam insert. All NIB should be
> set up as hi rail wheels and knuckle couplers with the scale wheels in the
> box as per SHS new. The used may not have the extra wheels , I can swap
> out if you need the scale wheels.
>
> Shipping should be about $7-$20 for anything. $7 if you buy 1 , a little
> more if you buy a bunch up to $20 max.
>
> Make me an offer on any or all of it�.Paypal, Postal money order, check
> all
> work.
>
> Eric Reis
> Kenmore, WA
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68601 From: George Cohn Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Great Train expos
Can anyone give me any thoughts as to whether it is worth the $7 to go
see the http://www.gtexpos.com train shows?

I live in southern AZ and we rarely get any kind of train shows, but
this one sounds like it might be worth a look.

Their web-site says they will have some S and AF stuff as well as vendors.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 68602 From: The Reardon's Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AM K-4 Lubrication
Hi Al,

I had an SHS F-3 that made a squeak going forward, but not in reverse. It took me a while to find it, but one of the pickup wipers had managed to end up setting off the back of the wheel and was rubbing on the outside rim. I agree with Jerry. Check all the pickup wipers carefully.

Pat, in Maine

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 10:06 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AM K-4 Lubrication



Al,

Squeaks are hard to diagnose. It sounds like you lubed everything. Try looking at the wipers on the pick up wheels. Sometimes they will be the cause. Turn the wheels by hand while upside down to make the determination. I sometimes find this is the case. I use a dielectric grease available at hardware stores. It provides lubrication while keeping electrical conductivity.

And like Gilbert, I wouldn't recommend lubricating the smoke piston. Others may differ on this though. If you DO decide to try lubrication it, do so exceedingly sparingly, and use the SnS lube.

Just a thought and my two centavos.....

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the AM smoke cylinders are supposed to be lubricated? If so with what? My K-4 developed a loud squeak when it backed up (only). I lubed it and it went away. I used the SnS lub which contains molybdenium, lithium, and graphite and I believe I remember Steve saying it could be used on about anything. But I'm not sure about this.
>
> My only other remaining problem is that when the loco backs up now, it runs nice and quiet. Great! But going forward I am getting a couple differest squeaks, not loud, but definite. They are there even if I disconnect the smoke piston. I've lubed about everything else including the gears that drive the wheels. Any ideas?
>
> Al Baker
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68603 From: David Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Decal Set Over Run (Advertisement)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68604 From: Jerry Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AM K-4 Lubrication
Ooops, You're right. I meant to suggest a conductive grease.

That's what I get by writing a reply so late at night!

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Feldman" <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:
>
> Jerry,
>
>
>
> "Dielectric grease" is actually an insulator (and is usually a type of
> silicone grease). It would be preferable to use a conductive grease for
> this purpose rather than one that insulates, but the layer of grease is so
> thin that it likely does not matter.
>
>
>
> Jerry F.
>
>
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jerry
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 7:06 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AM K-4 Lubrication
>
>
>
>
>
> Al,
>
> Squeaks are hard to diagnose. It sounds like you lubed everything. Try
> looking at the wipers on the pick up wheels. Sometimes they will be the
> cause. Turn the wheels by hand while upside down to make the determination.
> I sometimes find this is the case. I use a dielectric grease available at
> hardware stores. It provides lubrication while keeping electrical
> conductivity.
>
> And like Gilbert, I wouldn't recommend lubricating the smoke piston. Others
> may differ on this though. If you DO decide to try lubrication it, do so
> exceedingly sparingly, and use the SnS lube.
>
> Just a thought and my two centavos.....
>
> Jerry
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Al
> Baker" <albaker33@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know if the AM smoke cylinders are supposed to be lubricated?
> If so with what? My K-4 developed a loud squeak when it backed up (only). I
> lubed it and it went away. I used the SnS lub which contains molybdenium,
> lithium, and graphite and I believe I remember Steve saying it could be used
> on about anything. But I'm not sure about this.
> >
> > My only other remaining problem is that when the loco backs up now, it
> runs nice and quiet. Great! But going forward I am getting a couple
> differest squeaks, not loud, but definite. They are there even if I
> disconnect the smoke piston. I've lubed about everything else including the
> gears that drive the wheels. Any ideas?
> >
> > Al Baker
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68605 From: Donald Keil Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AM K-4 Lubrication
From industrial experience you do not want Silicone grease in the plant if you have a paint system
Don


________________________________
From: Gerald Feldman <gfeldman2904@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 4:11 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: AM K-4 Lubrication


 
Jerry,

"Dielectric grease" is actually an insulator (and is usually a type of
silicone grease). It would be preferable to use a conductive grease for
this purpose rather than one that insulates, but the layer of grease is so
thin that it likely does not matter.

Jerry F.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jerry
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 7:06 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AM K-4 Lubrication

Al,

Squeaks are hard to diagnose. It sounds like you lubed everything. Try
looking at the wipers on the pick up wheels. Sometimes they will be the
cause. Turn the wheels by hand while upside down to make the determination.
I sometimes find this is the case. I use a dielectric grease available at
hardware stores. It provides lubrication while keeping electrical
conductivity.

And like Gilbert, I wouldn't recommend lubricating the smoke piston. Others
may differ on this though. If you DO decide to try lubrication it, do so
exceedingly sparingly, and use the SnS lube.

Just a thought and my two centavos.....

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Al
Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the AM smoke cylinders are supposed to be lubricated?
If so with what? My K-4 developed a loud squeak when it backed up (only). I
lubed it and it went away. I used the SnS lub which contains molybdenium,
lithium, and graphite and I believe I remember Steve saying it could be used
on about anything. But I'm not sure about this.
>
> My only other remaining problem is that when the loco backs up now, it
runs nice and quiet. Great! But going forward I am getting a couple
differest squeaks, not loud, but definite. They are there even if I
disconnect the smoke piston. I've lubed about everything else including the
gears that drive the wheels. Any ideas?
>
> Al Baker
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68606 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Great Train expos
George,

We just had one here in Houston about three weeks ago. It was $7 each
for the two of us and $10 parking, so $24. I won't ever do that again.
The main reason I went was to see if there were any layouts that
normally don't come to the shows here in Houston. There was one from
Corpus Christi (HO-scale) that was fantastic.

On the other hand...

There were a good number of Lionel and American Flyer layouts and
dealers (saw lots of A.F. items and one SHS covered hopper). Assuming
those people travel with the show, and that is your cup of tea, then you
would probably enjoy it. There were also quite a few railroad
memorabilia-type dealers. We did pick up some scenery materials from a
vendor that was selling them at less than retail price, but considering
that we paid $24 to get in, those were some expensive items! :-)

HTH,
- Peter.

On 03/04/2012 10:43 pm, George Cohn wrote:
> Can anyone give me any thoughts as to whether it is worth the $7 to go
> see the http://www.gtexpos.com train shows?
>
> I live in southern AZ and we rarely get any kind of train shows, but
> this one sounds like it might be worth a look.
>
> Their web-site says they will have some S and AF stuff as well as vendors.
>
> George Cohn
>

--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
http://nasg.org/
--


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68607 From: grchud Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: 2012 Lionel S Catalog
Even though the 2-8-8-8-2 Legacy indicates new scale tooling, it does not specifically address scale wheels as does the U-33C and some of the rolling stock. Anyone know for sure?

Gary Chudzinski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68608 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Great Train expos
Hi George,

I also went to the Great Train Show in Houston. Aside from the $10 parking in the huge Reliant Center parking area and the idiot parking attendent who told me to park at the RV Expo hall (about 1 mile walking distance from the hall where the train expo was held - arghhhh), a couple of the sellers were local guys who I had seen the week before at another Houston show. So I'm not sure how many, if any, sellers travel with this show. I found a couple of items on the cheap, but most were priced high.

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Peter Vanvliet <groups@...> wrote:
>
> George,
>
> We just had one here in Houston about three weeks ago. It was $7 each
> for the two of us and $10 parking, so $24. I won't ever do that again.
> The main reason I went was to see if there were any layouts that
> normally don't come to the shows here in Houston. There was one from
> Corpus Christi (HO-scale) that was fantastic.
>
> On the other hand...
>
> There were a good number of Lionel and American Flyer layouts and
> dealers (saw lots of A.F. items and one SHS covered hopper). Assuming
> those people travel with the show, and that is your cup of tea, then you
> would probably enjoy it. There were also quite a few railroad
> memorabilia-type dealers. We did pick up some scenery materials from a
> vendor that was selling them at less than retail price, but considering
> that we paid $24 to get in, those were some expensive items! :-)
>
> HTH,
> - Peter.
>
> On 03/04/2012 10:43 pm, George Cohn wrote:
> > Can anyone give me any thoughts as to whether it is worth the $7 to go
> > see the http://www.gtexpos.com train shows?
> >
> > I live in southern AZ and we rarely get any kind of train shows, but
> > this one sounds like it might be worth a look.
> >
> > Their web-site says they will have some S and AF stuff as well as vendors.
> >
> > George Cohn
> >
>
> --
> Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
> Houston, Texas
>
> http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
> http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
> http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
> http://nasg.org/
> --
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68609 From: Rich Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AF #300 - 302 NEW Boiler Front (Advertisement)
Dave -- I'd be interested in one - especially if incorporated a way to mount an LED headlight and maybe some running lights.

Speaking of LED headlights, I have several flyer locos that I would like to switch over to LEDs but my impediment to doing so is coming up with a way of mounting the LED so that the narrow angle beam from the T-5 LED is directed through the headlamp lens. Perhaps a holder that slips into the 'traditional' headlamp socket that has a 5 mm or 3 mm diameter hole at the right location... One advantage of such a set up would be the ease of removing the boiler shell without having to unsolder the wires to the headlamp (for those locos with the lamp socket mounted on the boiler front).

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
> QUESTION: If we produced a NEW CAST METAL BOILER FRONT WITH CENTER HEAD
> LIGHT for the AF #300 & #302 (3 piece metal cab)
> how many could we count on you to purchase.
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
> 502-292-1872
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68610 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Great Train expos
Hello George,

Here in the Northwest, just about any train show at nearly any price is better than no train show at all. We don't get many. The Great Train Expos are not limited to O and S Toy Trains, so other gauges and aspects of the hobby are included. Think World's Greatest Hobby on Tour "Lite".

The dealers, of course, have a concern that the show attract a buying public. Great Train Expos in the Northwest started out much better than the last few Great American Train Shows that they replaced. I generally display a layout at these shows. I will attend as a spectator if for some reason I am in the area, but I am not displaying our layout. They are not promoted as well as the World's Greatest Hobby on Tour, of course, so fewer members of the general public may attend, but they do promote the hobby. This year the WGHT was in Portland in place of the GTE, and the increase in public attendance was easy to see. The dealers I talked to were doing well, and we had a good time displaying our layout. It, like the Great Train Expos, was fun to walk around, but certainly no Cal-Stewart-like hall of toy trains. Great for the beginners.

I go as an layout exhibitor or spectator and not as a seller, and while I am looking for deals on AF or ideas from clever layouts, I mostly go just to get a toy train "fix". I have missed the last couple of Great Train Expos in Portland, and have heard from some club members, especially those who are dealers, that they were not so hot. Generally the quality of the dealers and their offerings at a GTE depends on local and regional sellers as the show does not seem to bring much out with them. So if you have a group of dealers you see around AZ already, chances are those are who will be at the GTE show.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR (35 miles from Portland)

----- Original Message -----
From: George Cohn
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 8:43 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Great Train expos



Can anyone give me any thoughts as to whether it is worth the $7 to go
see the http://www.gtexpos.com train shows?

I live in southern AZ and we rarely get any kind of train shows, but
this one sounds like it might be worth a look.

Their web-site says they will have some S and AF stuff as well as vendors.

George Cohn





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68611 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AF #300 - 302 NEW Boiler Front (Advertisement)
Rich,
     To install the LED you must remove the lens. Most of the AF engines will take a 3mm LED. To make it fit in the head light aperture use heat shrink around the LED.
Dave
 


--- On Mon, 3/5/12, Rich <richs009@...> wrote:


From: Rich <richs009@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF #300 - 302 NEW Boiler Front (Advertisement)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 12:11 PM



 



Dave -- I'd be interested in one - especially if incorporated a way to mount an LED headlight and maybe some running lights.

Speaking of LED headlights, I have several flyer locos that I would like to switch over to LEDs but my impediment to doing so is coming up with a way of mounting the LED so that the narrow angle beam from the T-5 LED is directed through the headlamp lens. Perhaps a holder that slips into the 'traditional' headlamp socket that has a 5 mm or 3 mm diameter hole at the right location... One advantage of such a set up would be the ease of removing the boiler shell without having to unsolder the wires to the headlamp (for those locos with the lamp socket mounted on the boiler front).

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
> QUESTION: If we produced a NEW CAST METAL BOILER FRONT WITH CENTER HEAD
> LIGHT for the AF #300 & #302 (3 piece metal cab)
> how many could we count on you to purchase.
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
> 502-292-1872
>








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Group: S-Trains Message: 68612 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AF Switcher Curtain
Very difficult to tell the difference.   The reproductions from Ron Leventon are real good and the originals don't have a PA number.  The correct number is PA14A788.
Tom Seccia





________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 4:30 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Switcher Curtain


 
Hi,

Does anyone know how to tell if a curtain for the 21004 and 21005 engines might be a repro?

I have two of these, as I am doing a curtain exchange from a seller of a 21005, due to a broken tab.

One has a 1 on the back and the other has a 2 on the back.

If they are repros, I will live with it.

Also, did the 21145 engine have a curtain on it too?

Thank you very much for any help on this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68613 From: George Cohn Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Great Train expos
On 3/5/2012 5:38 AM, Peter Vanvliet wrote:
> George,

> There were a good number of Lionel and American Flyer layouts and
> dealers (saw lots of A.F. items and one SHS covered hopper). Assuming
> those people travel with the show, and that is your cup of tea, then you
> would probably enjoy it. There were also quite a few railroad
> memorabilia-type dealers. We did pick up some scenery materials from a
> vendor that was selling them at less than retail price, but considering
> that we paid $24 to get in, those were some expensive items! :-)
>

Thanks! I hadn't considered that they would ask to pay for parking. If
that is the case, i may have to think about it.

We have one local group here, the http://www.gpdtoytrainmuseum.com/ but
they don't have any vendors.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 68614 From: rick gough Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AF #300 - 302 NEW Boiler Front (Advertisement)
I prefer the look of the 5mm LED. It requires that you drill the headlight out a slight step bigger diameter than origional for a nice snug fit. The bulb becomes the "lense". You must also drill a step into the back of the headlight tube to allow the shoulder of the LED to inset. Done carefully this also creates a stop to put the lense exactly where you want it. I don't think I would try this operation without a drill press however.


rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68615 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AF Switcher Curtain
Tom,

Thanks for the help, as maybe not being able to tell the difference is a good thing then!

Hopefully the curtain is a original.

I just wanted to be sure.

Mike

From: Sheila Seccia
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 7:53 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Switcher Curtain


Very difficult to tell the difference. The reproductions from Ron Leventon are real good and the originals don't have a PA number. The correct number is PA14A788.
Tom Seccia







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Group: S-Trains Message: 68616 From: Alex Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Great Train expos
Hi George,
I don't know about Arizona but in San Diego the parking costs more than the ticket to get in. We usually see a couple of vendors at the GTE show where we have set up our layout for the past couple of years at Del Mar. This is the only show we get in San Diego. Your show may be different. Get someone to drop you off if you can.
Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: George Cohn
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 8:43 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Great Train expos



Can anyone give me any thoughts as to whether it is worth the $7 to go
see the http://www.gtexpos.com train shows?

I live in southern AZ and we rarely get any kind of train shows, but
this one sounds like it might be worth a look.

Their web-site says they will have some S and AF stuff as well as vendors.

George Cohn





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68617 From: Al Baker Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: AF #300 - 302 NEW Boiler Front (Advertisement)
I agree with Rick. The 5 mm LEDs look much better. I have reamed out the hole, and then cut the ridge off of the LED. But Rick's method is better.

Al Baker
Portland


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote:
>
> I prefer the look of the 5mm LED. It requires that you drill the headlight out a slight step bigger diameter than origional for a nice snug fit. The bulb becomes the "lense". You must also drill a step into the back of the headlight tube to allow the shoulder of the LED to inset. Done carefully this also creates a stop to put the lense exactly where you want it. I don't think I would try this operation without a drill press however.
>
>
> rick gough
> mudshark datsun
> 510 racing
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68618 From: americanflyer1953 Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: What is the best way to clean old equipment
You might try this.

Removing That White Film on Old Flyer Cars
Many American Flyer enthusiasts who return to the hobby have encountered a white film on their American Flyer plastic cars when they've uncovered them from storage boxes in their basements or attics. It is commonly thought that the white film is mold. However, it is actually a mold release agent that was used in the early days of plastic manufacturing. To remove it simply hold a hair dryer, set on hot, to the car and you'll see the mold release agent disappear before your eyes. You can buff gently with a soft cloth. See the before and after photos below.


http://www.trainweb.org/crocon/saf.html

Before After

Good luck, Ray
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Vaughn" <vaughnmi@...> wrote:
>
> I have just unpacked my old American Flyer trains that have been packed away for decades. They are generally in very good shape although some of the cars have mildew on parts of the plastic. Typically parts of the body, trucks or the old link couplers. What is the best way to clean them up that will not diminish their value?
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68619 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: AF #300 - 302 NEW Boiler Front (Advertisement)
That's the way I do it too.....

Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 3/5/2012 7:28:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
albaker33@... writes:




I agree with Rick. The 5 mm LEDs look much better. I have reamed out the
hole, and then cut the ridge off of the LED. But Rick's method is better.

Al Baker
Portland

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , rick
gough <racin510@...> wrote:
>
> I prefer the look of the 5mm LED. It requires that you drill the
headlight out a slight step bigger diameter than origional for a nice snug fit.
The bulb becomes the "lense". You must also drill a step into the back of the
headlight tube to allow the shoulder of the LED to inset. Done carefully
this also creates a stop to put the lense exactly where you want it. I don't
think I would try this operation without a drill press however.
>
>
> rick gough
> mudshark datsun
> 510 racing
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 68620 From: Gale Hall Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: looking for
Evening to some and morning to others

Do any of you have any or one AM GP-35 shells you might want to sell off or trade..need good stepwells and pilots can be floor models or poor paint. Need one with a good long hood and DB pod..

Thanks

gale hall
frisco91@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68621 From: Joseph H Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: Great Train expos
Around here we have both Greenberg and Great Train Expo Shows. Greenberg does Virginia (Chantilly, Virginia Beach, and Richmond, usuall each yar). GTE does North and South Carolina (Raleigh, Winston-Salem, Charlotte/Concord, Columbia, with W-S each year and usually one of the others although there were no GTEs in 2011 and only W/S scheduled do far in 2012).

Greenberg does much more advertising and has the larger shows, with vendor spaces costing more. Parking is free at all shows (except possibly Chantilly).

All shows are generally worth the admission price.

Joe

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone give me any thoughts as to whether it is worth the $7 to go
> see the http://www.gtexpos.com train shows?
>
> I live in southern AZ and we rarely get any kind of train shows, but
> this one sounds like it might be worth a look.
>
> Their web-site says they will have some S and AF stuff as well as vendors.
>
> George Cohn
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68622 From: race944t Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: Great Train expos - Tucson AZ show
George:
I just registered to sell at the Winston-Salem, NC GTE show and talked to Bill Grove with GTE. Parking is free for the Tucson, AZ show. Entry is $7. You can confirm this with Bill Grove at GTE. His published phone number is 630-566-0400.

"Banker" Bill Clark


> On 03/04/2012 10:43 pm, George Cohn wrote:
> > Can anyone give me any thoughts as to whether it is worth the $7 to go
> > see the http://www.gtexpos.com train shows?
> >
> > I live in southern AZ and we rarely get any kind of train shows, but
> > this one sounds like it might be worth a look.
> >
> > Their web-site says they will have some S and AF stuff as well as vendors.
> >
> > George Cohn
> >
>
> --
> Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
> Houston, Texas
>
> http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
> http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
> http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
> http://nasg.org/
> --
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68623 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
The S-scale yahoo group has been the subject of some very heated
discussions about the new Lionel American Flyer catalog just released. There has
been a lot more discussion there than on the S-trains list. Many of the
S-scale folks are excited with the new and nicer models, especially with Lionel
offering a few items (not many though) with the option of scale wheels.
Then several on the list are all bent out of shape that there is any
discussion of Lionel American Flyer on the S-scale list. Some emails got so
heated that temporarily everyone has been put on moderation so that feelings can
cool down.

The S-scale group has a lot of "High-scalers" on the list, operators who
want realistic models like most scalers but are content to use high rail
wheels. Some of those "high-scalers", while content with the high rail wheels
from AM and SHS or DPH, do not want to operate with the really deep
flanges that come with Lionel American Flyer.

So I have a question I want to ask those of you who are on this list.

What would be your reaction if Lionel started equiping their American
Flyer locos and cars with high rail wheels like AM, SHS, and DPH. I am not
talking about scale wheels, I am talking high rail. In other words, is there
any reason you would want Lionel's American Flyer products to have the real
deep flanges like they have been offering for years? Would you be just as
happy with high rail wheels that did not have such deep flanges?

If the devout American Flyer operators could accept the high rail wheels
like I am suggesting, it might allow Lionel to capture more of the
"high-scaler" sales as well as the traditional American Flyer high rail crowd. At
least that is my theory.

Cheers - Earl Henry, Nashville



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68624 From: David Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Decal Set Over Run Update (Advertisement)
Sorry, all of our over runs on this set (#628 MONON burgundy text BC)
have been purchased. However, if anyone else wants any of these sets we
can make another run if we get 25 or more orders.

Please contact us direct at: dave@...
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/post?postID=BIdEq-qLhglQ\
w6ajxIkmvUDVNCpWCeweaKFwKmXmc9FazURIhzKG1Qrhtq600amYp1s5tvKDnG9qauvF9u9m\
vw>


Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68625 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer Club
� Arlington, Texas
Earl,
That has been a good point that by using snail mail to let Lionel know what we want. They do not listen to our group lists.  I agree with you on the wheel flange. They could make that small changefor the better in my opinion. My thoughts.
� Thanks,
�Alan


________________________________
From: "tennsgauge@..." <tennsgauge@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 9:22 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels



 

The S-scale yahoo group has been the subject of some very heated
discussions about the new Lionel American Flyer catalog just released. There has
been a lot more discussion there than on the S-trains list. Many of the
S-scale folks are excited with the new and nicer models, especially with Lionel
offering a few items (not many though) with the option of scale wheels.
Then several on the list are all bent out of shape that there is any
discussion of Lionel American Flyer on the S-scale list. Some emails got so
heated that temporarily everyone has been put on moderation so that feelings can
cool down.

The S-scale group has a lot of "High-scalers" on the list, operators who
want realistic models like most scalers but are content to use high rail
wheels. Some of those "high-scalers", while content with the high rail wheels
from AM and SHS or DPH, do not want to operate with the really deep
flanges that come with Lionel American Flyer.

So I have a question I want to ask those of you who are on this list.

What would be your reaction if Lionel started equiping their American
Flyer locos and cars with high rail wheels like AM, SHS, and DPH. I am not
talking about scale wheels, I am talking high rail. In other words, is there
any reason you would want Lionel's American Flyer products to have the real
deep flanges like they have been offering for years? Would you be just as
happy with high rail wheels that did not have such deep flanges?

If the devout American Flyer operators could accept the high rail wheels
like I am suggesting, it might allow Lionel to capture more of the
"high-scaler" sales as well as the traditional American Flyer high rail crowd. At
least that is my theory.

Cheers - Earl Henry, Nashville



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68626 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
Thanks for the interesting question Earl. I have two thoughts. From an
ideal standpoint, I prefer to buy trains with the deep flanges. I find
them to be more forgiving of shifts in benchwork, tight radius turnouts
and excessive bumping. I have all of that. I spent over 40 years doing
the scale thing. Now, I am doing toy trains and scenery. That is what
makes this old coot happy.

Second, although I love to look at the catalogs and see the new stuff,
my budget does not permit me to buy any of it. None. I still work a
full-time job and I have been receiving my full set of benefits I earned
over my working life of nearly 50 years. Still, the thought of spending
$800 or more on a toy train is just out of the question for me. That
means, my opinions about wheels, flanges, new control systems, custom
run paint jobs and such is really of no value from a marketing perspective.

I hope some of the more well-heeled list members who actually do spend
that sort of money on these things provide us with some responses.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 3/6/2012 10:22 AM, tennsgauge@... wrote:
> The S-scale yahoo group has been the subject of some very heated
> discussions about the new Lionel American Flyer catalog just released. There has
> been a lot more discussion there than on the S-trains list. Many of the
> S-scale folks are excited with the new and nicer models, especially with Lionel
> offering a few items (not many though) with the option of scale wheels.
> Then several on the list are all bent out of shape that there is any
> discussion of Lionel American Flyer on the S-scale list. Some emails got so
> heated that temporarily everyone has been put on moderation so that feelings can
> cool down.
>
> The S-scale group has a lot of "High-scalers" on the list, operators who
> want realistic models like most scalers but are content to use high rail
> wheels. Some of those "high-scalers", while content with the high rail wheels
> from AM and SHS or DPH, do not want to operate with the really deep
> flanges that come with Lionel American Flyer.
>
> So I have a question I want to ask those of you who are on this list.
>
> What would be your reaction if Lionel started equiping their American
> Flyer locos and cars with high rail wheels like AM, SHS, and DPH. I am not
> talking about scale wheels, I am talking high rail. In other words, is there
> any reason you would want Lionel's American Flyer products to have the real
> deep flanges like they have been offering for years? Would you be just as
> happy with high rail wheels that did not have such deep flanges?
>
> If the devout American Flyer operators could accept the high rail wheels
> like I am suggesting, it might allow Lionel to capture more of the
> "high-scaler" sales as well as the traditional American Flyer high rail crowd. At
> least that is my theory.
>
> Cheers - Earl Henry, Nashville
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68627 From: Mike Vaughn Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Question about remote switches
What is the difference between Model 700 and Model 700A switches?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68628 From: rzuerlein2001 Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
Earl:

I, too, have been reading of the S-scale list. I am more to the scale side at this moment, but the Lionel offerings have certainly picked my interest.

I have the U33C. The highrail wheel sets on the unit will operate on my Tomalco code 100 rail without hitting the spike heads. So the wheelsets Lionel has chosen, so not bother me. These of course are not the pizza cutters of the old AF line.

A friend brought his LAF Challenger and the older Mikado the other day and we ran them also. What I noticed was the flange depth of the Challenger's drivers are not the deep flanges of the AF cars (My AF steamers have a smaller flange on the drivers also). The drivers on the Mikado were of the deep flange variety. I assume the Pacific offered in the 2012 catalog would be of the deep flange variety also.

Bottom line, I would be thrilled to see Lionel offer the AM, SHS, DPH "highscale" wheel sets on the product they produce. Anything that brings the line closer to the scale end of the spectrum would be positive. As you have mentioned, the smaller hirail flanges offered by AM, SHS and DPH have not deterred the AF operators from purchasing these products.

Roger W. Zuerlein

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote:
>
> The S-scale yahoo group has been the subject of some very heated
> discussions about the new Lionel American Flyer catalog just released. There has
> been a lot more discussion there than on the S-trains list. Many of the
> S-scale folks are excited with the new and nicer models, especially with Lionel
> offering a few items (not many though) with the option of scale wheels.
> Then several on the list are all bent out of shape that there is any
> discussion of Lionel American Flyer on the S-scale list. Some emails got so
> heated that temporarily everyone has been put on moderation so that feelings can
> cool down.
>
> The S-scale group has a lot of "High-scalers" on the list, operators who
> want realistic models like most scalers but are content to use high rail
> wheels. Some of those "high-scalers", while content with the high rail wheels
> from AM and SHS or DPH, do not want to operate with the really deep
> flanges that come with Lionel American Flyer.
>
> So I have a question I want to ask those of you who are on this list.
>
> What would be your reaction if Lionel started equiping their American
> Flyer locos and cars with high rail wheels like AM, SHS, and DPH. I am not
> talking about scale wheels, I am talking high rail. In other words, is there
> any reason you would want Lionel's American Flyer products to have the real
> deep flanges like they have been offering for years? Would you be just as
> happy with high rail wheels that did not have such deep flanges?
>
> If the devout American Flyer operators could accept the high rail wheels
> like I am suggesting, it might allow Lionel to capture more of the
> "high-scaler" sales as well as the traditional American Flyer high rail crowd. At
> least that is my theory.
>
> Cheers - Earl Henry, Nashville
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68629 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Question of wheels
After spending most of my "modeling career" in "scale" railroading, I very much enjoy "Hi-rail" with the big wheel flanges and couplers. The reliability of these over "scale" standards is unquestioned, especially if you do mostly train show running as I do. I wish my "scale" On30 did as well.
I use S Helper track and so far have had no trouble with the wheel flanges of any manufacturer, "Flyer Compatable" or "scale." I have some 1980s-90s Flyonel cars which do fine once you gauge them correctly.
If "tinplate" or "Hi-rail" wheels will work on S Helper track, why wouldn't they work on track of taller code rails? Perhaps I'm missing something?
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68630 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
----- Original Message -----
From: tennsgauge@...
. . . . . . . . What would be your reaction if Lionel started equiping their
American Flyer locos and cars with high rail wheels like AM, SHS, and DPH? .
. . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
Have you seen the wheels on the new U33C?

If you don't get a big response on this and change Lionel's thinking, on the
cars you already have, plus those you might yet buy, you can accomplish this
with SHS item # 00967 (insulated) or item # 00979 (electrical PU) wheelsets.
If you can find the right size brass bushing for the sideframes, they'll
roll even better.

tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 68631 From: R G Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: Question about remote switches
The "A" switches are improved versions. The moving points on the earlier ones did not height wise line up with the fixed rails.  Also the fixes rails were "U" shaped like later  pikemaster track.  The later switches used "T" rail and the moving points aligned better with the fixed rails. 



________________________________
From: Mike Vaughn <vaughnmi@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 4:59 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Question about remote switches


 
What is the difference between Model 700 and Model 700A switches?




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68632 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Re: Question of wheels
From: Alan Lambert�
� Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas

Stumpy,
I'm like you,  I have S-helper track and like the way  myy cars run. The scale guys want the track like the prototype. That will not work with Lionel flanges. If they want the change from Lionel all the scale guys need to do is send snail mail thoughts to Lionel. If they would Lionel might make the change, but like you said I'm happy with what I have and run old and new high rail on my track.
� Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 2:12 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Question of wheels



 

After spending most of my "modeling career" in "scale" railroading, I very much enjoy "Hi-rail" with the big wheel flanges and couplers. The reliability of these over "scale" standards is unquestioned, especially if you do mostly train show running as I do. I wish my "scale" On30 did as well.
I use S Helper track and so far have had no trouble with the wheel flanges of any manufacturer, "Flyer Compatable" or "scale." I have some 1980s-90s Flyonel cars which do fine once you gauge them correctly.
If "tinplate" or "Hi-rail" wheels will work on S Helper track, why wouldn't they work on track of taller code rails? Perhaps I'm missing something?
Stumpy in Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68633 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: 314AW
Absolutely out of control auction. Almost three times book value, even though it came with the original wrapper and the whistle control unit:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110830591035&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123

I'm sure the seller is celebrating.

Bruce










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Group: S-Trains Message: 68634 From: IdahoFalls Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: What is the best way to clean old equipment
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Vaughn" <vaughnmi@...> wrote:
>
> I have just unpacked my old American Flyer trains that have been packed away for decades. They are generally in very good shape although some of the cars have mildew on parts of the plastic. Typically parts of the body, trucks or the old link couplers. What is the best way to clean them up that will not diminish their value?
>
The "mildew" is most likely where the mold release agent has aqed. Warm it with a hair dryer, then rub off with soft cloth. My thanks to Alan for this tip.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68635 From: R G Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: Question of wheels
I once did HO with RP25 wheels sets and always had issues with derailments.  My son does European HO and they have what we would call hi rail flanges.  We have never had a derailment problem with them, ever! With either S-Helper or American models track you have a track system that looks prototypical, that can also run Flyer equipment.  To me this is the best of all worlds.  I have a few locomotives and cars with scale flanges and run them also. You can even run scale equipment on good quality Flyer track and switches. I like realism but I like reliable operation more and high rail flanges are perfectly acceptable.



________________________________
From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question of wheels


 
From: Alan Lambert 
  Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington, Texas
 
Stumpy,
I'm like you,  I have S-helper track and like the way  myy cars run. The scale guys want the track like the prototype. That will not work with Lionel flanges. If they want the change from Lionel all the scale guys need to do is send snail mail thoughts to Lionel. If they would Lionel might make the change, but like you said I'm happy with what I have and run old and new high rail on my track.
  Thanks,
  Alan


________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 2:12 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Question of wheels


 

After spending most of my "modeling career" in "scale" railroading, I very much enjoy "Hi-rail" with the big wheel flanges and couplers. The reliability of these over "scale" standards is unquestioned, especially if you do mostly train show running as I do. I wish my "scale" On30 did as well.
I use S Helper track and so far have had no trouble with the wheel flanges of any manufacturer, "Flyer Compatable" or "scale." I have some 1980s-90s Flyonel cars which do fine once you gauge them correctly.
If "tinplate" or "Hi-rail" wheels will work on S Helper track, why wouldn't they work on track of taller code rails? Perhaps I'm missing something?
Stumpy in Ahia

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68636 From: Dale Reynolds Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
hi earl, my layout is am models track and tom stolts turnouts. both af deep flanges and am/shs/etc hirail flanges run fine. however i hate plastic wheels so most of my af has been changed out to metal wheels. and all my couplers are shs/kadee scale. my track, painted black except for the tops, looks fine to me. if lionel went to hirail flanges that would be great. but at 1/3 the cost of the crappy brass mallets/articulateds of the past, the new lionel challengers are wonderful. take care, dale


> The S-scale group has a lot of "High-scalers" on the list, operators who
> want realistic models like most scalers but are content to use high rail
> wheels. Some of those "high-scalers", while content with the high rail wheels
> from AM and SHS or DPH, do not want to operate with the really deep
> flanges that come with Lionel American Flyer.
>
> So I have a question I want to ask those of you who are on this list.
>
> What would be your reaction if Lionel started equiping their American
> Flyer locos and cars with high rail wheels like AM, SHS, and DPH. I am not
> talking about scale wheels, I am talking high rail. In other words, is there
> any reason you would want Lionel's American Flyer products to have the real
> deep flanges like they have been offering for years? Would you be just as
> happy with high rail wheels that did not have such deep flanges?
>
> If the devout American Flyer operators could accept the high rail wheels
> like I am suggesting, it might allow Lionel to capture more of the
> "high-scaler" sales as well as the traditional American Flyer high rail crowd. At
> least that is my theory.
>
> Cheers - Earl Henry, Nashville
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68637 From: ron190sl Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: American Flier (sic)
Have uploaded a photo, to the picture section, of a piece of AF 727 Roadbed. Note the spelling of "Flyer". Is this common?

Ron M
Group: S-Trains Message: 68638 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
I am very pleased with the HiRail wheels of AM, SHS, DPH and former K-Line. I wonder if Lionel is using the former K-Line tooling. I run mostly at shows where quick set-up and take-down makes the track work rather rough. I have watch scale layouts with their constant jumping the track and uncoupling. Too bad they can't have the time to do a good job setting up their layout like at NASG conventions. Meantime, I prefer the HiRail where the oversize flanges and couplers make up for the rough track. But then the scale size cars and truck sides look very nice.

It is too bad hearing of some in the hobby "screaming" about what they don't like. It's almost like watching modern day politics. I don't like that either. All the screaming could ruin this part of the hobby.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote:
>
> The S-scale yahoo group has been the subject of some very heated
> discussions about the new Lionel American Flyer catalog just released. There has
> been a lot more discussion there than on the S-trains list. Many of the
> S-scale folks are excited with the new and nicer models, especially with Lionel
> offering a few items (not many though) with the option of scale wheels.
> Then several on the list are all bent out of shape that there is any
> discussion of Lionel American Flyer on the S-scale list. Some emails got so
> heated that temporarily everyone has been put on moderation so that feelings can
> cool down.
>
> The S-scale group has a lot of "High-scalers" on the list, operators who
> want realistic models like most scalers but are content to use high rail
> wheels. Some of those "high-scalers", while content with the high rail wheels
> from AM and SHS or DPH, do not want to operate with the really deep
> flanges that come with Lionel American Flyer.
>
> So I have a question I want to ask those of you who are on this list.
>
> What would be your reaction if Lionel started equiping their American
> Flyer locos and cars with high rail wheels like AM, SHS, and DPH. I am not
> talking about scale wheels, I am talking high rail. In other words, is there
> any reason you would want Lionel's American Flyer products to have the real
> deep flanges like they have been offering for years? Would you be just as
> happy with high rail wheels that did not have such deep flanges?
>
> If the devout American Flyer operators could accept the high rail wheels
> like I am suggesting, it might allow Lionel to capture more of the
> "high-scaler" sales as well as the traditional American Flyer high rail crowd. At
> least that is my theory.
>
> Cheers - Earl Henry, Nashville
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68639 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: Great Train expos
Joe,

The two train shows at Chantilly also have free parking. Like most exhibition halls it is in a former big box store.

Sorry I will miss you this weekend at the VTC meet in Ashland. I will be with family in Maryland.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph H" <joestrainrepair@...> wrote:
>
> Around here we have both Greenberg and Great Train Expo Shows. Greenberg does Virginia (Chantilly, Virginia Beach, and Richmond, usuall each yar). GTE does North and South Carolina (Raleigh, Winston-Salem, Charlotte/Concord, Columbia, with W-S each year and usually one of the others although there were no GTEs in 2011 and only W/S scheduled do far in 2012).
>
> Greenberg does much more advertising and has the larger shows, with vendor spaces costing more. Parking is free at all shows (except possibly Chantilly).
>
> All shows are generally worth the admission price.
>
> Joe
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone give me any thoughts as to whether it is worth the $7 to go
> > see the http://www.gtexpos.com train shows?
> >
> > I live in southern AZ and we rarely get any kind of train shows, but
> > this one sounds like it might be worth a look.
> >
> > Their web-site says they will have some S and AF stuff as well as vendors.
> >
> > George Cohn
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68640 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Scale vs Hi-rail wheels
I've been in HO modular clubs, and an O tinplate modular club. The differences in reliable operation between the HO and O modular clubs was telling. The HO guys constantly fought problems, while the O guys talked to the people and wandered around the shows.
In my current On30 and S Hi-rail display layouts, someone has to be at the On30 layout all the time, because On30 uses HO wheels and couplers. Meanwhile, I can wander the show and talk to folks without undue attention to the S hi-rail layout.
Admittedly the larger size and heavier weight of S or O gauge trains is also a factor to good tracking. However, most On30 equipment is weighted and made to very good standards, yet is still less reliable for derailing and uncoupling at the wrong time.
While most people will have less of a problem with their home layout, the bigger flanges and massive couplers overcome the unforeseen problems of running at train shows. Such as the three year old who grabbed at the train as it passed, or the woman who bumped heavily against the layout several times while talking to a friend. The On30 trains would have been all over the place, but the old Hi-rail stuff just kept on chugging along.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68641 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: American Flier (sic)
It is not common. It is incorrect.
Roy



From: ron190sl <rontrain@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:21:21 +0000
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] American Flier (sic)






Have uploaded a photo, to the picture section, of a piece of AF 727 Roadbed.
Note the spelling of "Flyer". Is this common?

Ron M








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Group: S-Trains Message: 68642 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: Question of wheels
Mr. Stumpy,

I interpret your comments to mean that you prefer the really deep flanges
compared to the flanges on highrail products from AM, SHS, DPH, etc.. Am I
correct.

You asked if you were missing anything? Well maybe you could have added a
bit on how the deep flanges work going through turnouts compared to the
other high rail products?

It looks like to me that almost any wheels work on the SHS and AM rail but
turnouts may be another issue.

I will be interested to see how well the different wheels operate through
the upcoming Lionel FastTrack turnouts for S. I have been procrastinating
on a layout for our six year old grandson primarily because of the turnout
issue. I do not want FastTrack for my own layout because I have moved
toward scale. But it may be the answer for the grandson's layout. I would
love something as easy to setup as the old Flyer turnouts but with much better
looks and reliable operation.

- Earl Henry, Nashville




In a message dated 3/6/2012 5:10:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,
mrstumpy@... writes:




After spending most of my "modeling career" in "scale" railroading, I very
much enjoy "Hi-rail" with the big wheel flanges and couplers. The
reliability of these over "scale" standards is unquestioned, especially if you do
mostly train show running as I do. I wish my "scale" On30 did as well.
I use S Helper track and so far have had no trouble with the wheel flanges
of any manufacturer, "Flyer Compatable" or "scale." I have some 1980s-90s
Flyonel cars which do fine once you gauge them correctly.
If "tinplate" or "Hi-rail" wheels will work on S Helper track, why
wouldn't they work on track of taller code rails? Perhaps I'm missing something?
Stumpy in Ahia






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Group: S-Trains Message: 68643 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
Good idea Tom, and you are reminding me I have actually tried this on a
couple of passenger cars. Won't help us on the locomotives though.

- Earl Henry


In a message dated 3/6/2012 5:10:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,
t.hawley@... writes:




----- Original Message -----
From: _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...)
. . . . . . . . What would be your reaction if Lionel started equiping
their
American Flyer locos and cars with high rail wheels like AM, SHS, and DPH?
.
. . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
Have you seen the wheels on the new U33C?

If you don't get a big response on this and change Lionel's thinking, on
the
cars you already have, plus those you might yet buy, you can accomplish
this
with SHS item # 00967 (insulated) or item # 00979 (electrical PU)
wheelsets.
If you can find the right size brass bushing for the sideframes, they'll
roll even better.

tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich







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Group: S-Trains Message: 68644 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
Roger, thanks for you comments and reporting on the flange depth on the
U33c and other Lionel locomotives.

I would not have expected the U33C to operate on Tomalco Code 100 track.
Will it go through the Tomalco turnouts?

- Earl Henry, Nashville



In a message dated 3/6/2012 5:09:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,
rzuerlein@... writes:




Earl:

I, too, have been reading of the S-scale list. I am more to the scale side
at this moment, but the Lionel offerings have certainly picked my interest.

I have the U33C. The highrail wheel sets on the unit will operate on my
Tomalco code 100 rail without hitting the spike heads. So the wheelsets
Lionel has chosen, so not bother me. These of course are not the pizza cutters
of the old AF line.

A friend brought his LAF Challenger and the older Mikado the other day and
we ran them also. What I noticed was the flange depth of the Challenger's
drivers are not the deep flanges of the AF cars (My AF steamers have a
smaller flange on the drivers also). The drivers on the Mikado were of the deep
flange variety. I assume the Pacific offered in the 2012 catalog would be
of the deep flange variety also.

Bottom line, I would be thrilled to see Lionel offer the AM, SHS, DPH
"highscale" wheel sets on the product they produce. Anything that brings the
line closer to the scale end of the spectrum would be positive. As you have
mentioned, the smaller hirail flanges offered by AM, SHS and DPH have not
deterred the AF operators from purchasing these products.

Roger W. Zuerlein

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
tennsgauge@... wrote:
>
> The S-scale yahoo group has been the subject of some very heated
> discussions about the new Lionel American Flyer catalog just released.
There has
> been a lot more discussion there than on the S-trains list. Many of the
> S-scale folks are excited with the new and nicer models, especially with
Lionel
> offering a few items (not many though) with the option of scale wheels.
> Then several on the list are all bent out of shape that there is any
> discussion of Lionel American Flyer on the S-scale list. Some emails got
so
> heated that temporarily everyone has been put on moderation so that
feelings can
> cool down.
>
> The S-scale group has a lot of "High-scalers" on the list, operators who
> want realistic models like most scalers but are content to use high rail
> wheels. Some of those "high-scalers", while content with the high rail
wheels
> from AM and SHS or DPH, do not want to operate with the really deep
> flanges that come with Lionel American Flyer.
>
> So I have a question I want to ask those of you who are on this list.
>
> What would be your reaction if Lionel started equiping their American
> Flyer locos and cars with high rail wheels like AM, SHS, and DPH. I am
not
> talking about scale wheels, I am talking high rail. In other words, is
there
> any reason you would want Lionel's American Flyer products to have the
real
> deep flanges like they have been offering for years? Would you be just
as
> happy with high rail wheels that did not have such deep flanges?
>
> If the devout American Flyer operators could accept the high rail wheels
> like I am suggesting, it might allow Lionel to capture more of the
> "high-scaler" sales as well as the traditional American Flyer high rail
crowd. At
> least that is my theory.
>
> Cheers - Earl Henry, Nashville
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 68645 From: bowlsalot2@yahoo.com Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
I service engines for this seller. From now on I want a percentage! I didn't do this one however

Neil

On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:49 PM, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> wrote:

>
> Absolutely out of control auction. Almost three times book value, even though it came with the original wrapper and the whistle control unit:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110830591035&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123
>
> I'm sure the seller is celebrating.
>
> Bruce
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo!
> Daring dress for Demi Moore's daughter
> As her mother returns from treatment, Rumer Willis dazzles on the red carpet.
> Privacy Policy


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68646 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
makes me almost want to sell my stuff on ebay, dont know what is driving prices
up of late since jan. things been nutty




________________________________
From: "bowlsalot2@..." <bowlsalot2@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, March 7, 2012 2:29:53 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW

 
I service engines for this seller. From now on I want a percentage! I didn't do
this one however

Neil

On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:49 PM, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...>
wrote:

>
> Absolutely out of control auction. Almost three times book value, even though
>it came with the original wrapper and the whistle control unit:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110830591035&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123
>3
>
> I'm sure the seller is celebrating.
>
> Bruce
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo!
> Daring dress for Demi Moore's daughter
> As her mother returns from treatment, Rumer Willis dazzles on the red carpet.
> Privacy Policy

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68647 From: rzuerlein2001 Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
Earl:

I have not tried the hirail flanges of any of the manufacturers as I am using closed frog (code 125) turnouts. I do have some Tomalco #6 scale turnouts and will experiment with them this week.

I was pleasantly surprised by the Lionel AF wheelsets on the code 100 track. Concequently, I have been gradually reorientating my thinking to the SHS, DPH, AM deep flange hirail wheelsets. As Stumpy has indicated they are easier to rerail, have a more forgiving nature on track variation (both vertically and horizontally), I can run trains without worrying about derailing and all can handle the code 100 track, if you so desire.

I am currently using SHS flex track, code 125 closed frog turnouts (am looking to try some of Tom's when he gets back up and running with SHS rail). Will be laying code 100 in the yards and the industrial areas.

Roger Zuerlein

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote:
>
> Roger, thanks for you comments and reporting on the flange depth on the
> U33c and other Lionel locomotives.
>
> I would not have expected the U33C to operate on Tomalco Code 100 track.
> Will it go through the Tomalco turnouts?
>
> - Earl Henry, Nashville
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/6/2012 5:09:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> rzuerlein@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Earl:
>
> I, too, have been reading of the S-scale list. I am more to the scale side
> at this moment, but the Lionel offerings have certainly picked my interest.
>
> I have the U33C. The highrail wheel sets on the unit will operate on my
> Tomalco code 100 rail without hitting the spike heads. So the wheelsets
> Lionel has chosen, so not bother me. These of course are not the pizza cutters
> of the old AF line.
>
> A friend brought his LAF Challenger and the older Mikado the other day and
> we ran them also. What I noticed was the flange depth of the Challenger's
> drivers are not the deep flanges of the AF cars (My AF steamers have a
> smaller flange on the drivers also). The drivers on the Mikado were of the deep
> flange variety. I assume the Pacific offered in the 2012 catalog would be
> of the deep flange variety also.
>
> Bottom line, I would be thrilled to see Lionel offer the AM, SHS, DPH
> "highscale" wheel sets on the product they produce. Anything that brings the
> line closer to the scale end of the spectrum would be positive. As you have
> mentioned, the smaller hirail flanges offered by AM, SHS and DPH have not
> deterred the AF operators from purchasing these products.
>
> Roger W. Zuerlein
>
> --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
> tennsgauge@ wrote:
> >
> > The S-scale yahoo group has been the subject of some very heated
> > discussions about the new Lionel American Flyer catalog just released.
> There has
> > been a lot more discussion there than on the S-trains list. Many of the
> > S-scale folks are excited with the new and nicer models, especially with
> Lionel
> > offering a few items (not many though) with the option of scale wheels.
> > Then several on the list are all bent out of shape that there is any
> > discussion of Lionel American Flyer on the S-scale list. Some emails got
> so
> > heated that temporarily everyone has been put on moderation so that
> feelings can
> > cool down.
> >
> > The S-scale group has a lot of "High-scalers" on the list, operators who
> > want realistic models like most scalers but are content to use high rail
> > wheels. Some of those "high-scalers", while content with the high rail
> wheels
> > from AM and SHS or DPH, do not want to operate with the really deep
> > flanges that come with Lionel American Flyer.
> >
> > So I have a question I want to ask those of you who are on this list.
> >
> > What would be your reaction if Lionel started equiping their American
> > Flyer locos and cars with high rail wheels like AM, SHS, and DPH. I am
> not
> > talking about scale wheels, I am talking high rail. In other words, is
> there
> > any reason you would want Lionel's American Flyer products to have the
> real
> > deep flanges like they have been offering for years? Would you be just
> as
> > happy with high rail wheels that did not have such deep flanges?
> >
> > If the devout American Flyer operators could accept the high rail wheels
> > like I am suggesting, it might allow Lionel to capture more of the
> > "high-scaler" sales as well as the traditional American Flyer high rail
> crowd. At
> > least that is my theory.
> >
> > Cheers - Earl Henry, Nashville
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68648 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
From: Alan Lambert
 
It is all about the die hard collectors getting into a bidding war until one bows out and the highest bid gets it. They don't worry about book value. They just bid. That's why you dont see me on ebay.
Thanks,
Alan


________________________________
From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW



 

makes me almost want to sell my stuff on ebay, dont know what is driving prices
up of late since jan. things been nutty

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From: "bowlsalot2@..." <bowlsalot2@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, March 7, 2012 2:29:53 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW

 
I service engines for this seller. From now on I want a percentage! I didn't do
this one however

Neil

On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:49 PM, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...>
wrote:

>
> Absolutely out of control auction. Almost three times book value, even though
>it came with the original wrapper and the whistle control unit:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110830591035&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123
>3
>
> I'm sure the seller is celebrating.
>
> Bruce
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68649 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: A Question about Lionel's High Rail Wheels
"Back in the Day" I had a scale Alco switcher (metal body, powered with
Miller Engineering trucks with three of the four axles powered with
axle-armature motors) that had "scale" wheels. I don't recall having any
problems with it on the AF portion of my railroad (an extension was
Tru-Scale milled tie roadbed and solid brass rail). Of course, the thing
was off the track and layout more than on because it had two speeds...stop
and sonic..and couldn't even pull the three balsa wood reefers with
cardboard House of Trains (Chicago) sides and its special AF RDG caboose
with no light and a plastic frame.

Today we have the same arguments for deep flanges in N Scale..Arnold Rapido
and Micro-Trains pizza cutters...and the physics are the same in any scale.
If your track is so bad you can't keep "RP-25" wheels on the track, fix your
track!!! Of course, tinplate curves and high speeds may partially justify
non-fine scale flanges and the treads have to work with a variety of
turnouts, but ultra-deep flanges cause more problems than people think they
solve..



Charlie Vlk

Railroad Model Resources



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68650 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Its all relative anyway - if you want something go for it - life is too short to
miss out and it will all be worth much less in a few years anyway - whatever you
pay for it. Alistair
On Thu 08/03/12 5:43 AM , Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... sent:
> From: Alan Lambert
>  
> It is all about the die hard collectors getting into a bidding war
> until one bows out and the highest bid gets it. They don't worry
> about book value. They just bid. That's why you dont see me on ebay.
> Thanks,
> Alan
> ________________________________
> From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 1:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
>  
> makes me almost want to sell my stuff on ebay, dont know what is
> driving prices
> up of late since jan. things been nutty
> ________________________________
> From: ""
> To: ""
> Sent: Wed, March 7, 2012 2:29:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
>  
> I service engines for this seller. From now on I want a percentage!
> I didn't do
> this one however
> Neil
> On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:49 PM, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr."
> wrote:
> >
> > Absolutely out of control auction. Almost three times book value,
> even though
> >it came with the original wrapper and the whistle control unit:
> >
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110830591035&ssPageName
> =ADME:B:WNA:US:1123[8]
> >3
> >
> > I'm sure the seller is celebrating.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo!
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> > As her mother returns from treatment, Rumer Willis dazzles on the
> red carpet.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68651 From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
unfortunatly, the next 314AW to sell on Ebay will go for a fraction
of that price.

^
On Wed 03/07/12 3:27 PM , alizoo@... sent:
Its all relative anyway - if you want something go for it - life is
too short to
miss out and it will all be worth much less in a few years anyway -
whatever you
pay for it. Alistair
On Thu 08/03/12 5:43 AM , Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... [1]
sent:
> From: Alan Lambert
>
> It is all about the die hard collectors getting into a bidding war
> until one bows out and the highest bid gets it. They don't worry
> about book value. They just bid. That's why you dont see me on
ebay.
> Thanks,
> Alan
> ________________________________
> From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 1:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
>
> makes me almost want to sell my stuff on ebay, dont know what is
> driving prices
> up of late since jan. things been nutty
> ________________________________
> From: ""
> To: ""
> Sent: Wed, March 7, 2012 2:29:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
>
> I service engines for this seller. From now on I want a
percentage!
> I didn't do
> this one however
> Neil
> On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:49 PM, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr."
> wrote:
> >
> > Absolutely out of control auction. Almost three times book
value,
> even though
> >it came with the original wrapper and the whistle control unit:
> >
>
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110830591035&ssPageName
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> >3
> >
> > I'm sure the seller is celebrating.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo!
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> > As her mother returns from treatment, Rumer Willis dazzles on
the
> red carpet.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68652 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
hehe i think some times it just goes over the top, been to alot of auctions and
sometimes still buy on ebay but very carefull on what, just go a gondala and a
flat car resonable price that been kit bashed and it was done pretty good job,
and sometimes i envy those who can bid without concern.




________________________________
From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, March 7, 2012 3:13:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW

 
From: Alan Lambert
 
It is all about the die hard collectors getting into a bidding war until one
bows out and the highest bid gets it. They don't worry about book value. They
just bid. That's why you dont see me on ebay.
Thanks,
Alan


________________________________
From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW


 

makes me almost want to sell my stuff on ebay, dont know what is driving prices
up of late since jan. things been nutty

________________________________
From: "bowlsalot2@..." <bowlsalot2@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, March 7, 2012 2:29:53 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW

 
I service engines for this seller. From now on I want a percentage! I didn't do
this one however

Neil

On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:49 PM, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...>
wrote:

>
> Absolutely out of control auction. Almost three times book value, even though
>it came with the original wrapper and the whistle control unit:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110830591035&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123
>
>3
>
> I'm sure the seller is celebrating.
>
> Bruce
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68653 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
I don’t think so, the last two bidders had not bided earlier in this auction.

Why can we accept that people bid for reasons that only they know.

I am a die hard collector, but I am a educated collector, knowing that 800 for this engine is not a smart thing to do, but we have no clue as to why people bid the way they do on something.

The seller is very happy, the winner must be happy since he was willing to bid this much for the engine, so let it go.

I lost out on a pair of LN Seaboard Baldwin's in the box, last month, no screw hole crack for 1300, as I figured, 1300 was a safe number to bid, I came in 2nd. I was willing to pay 1300 for this set of Baldwin's, if that happened. Trying to find a pair of Seaboard Baldwin's in this condition is very difficult. TM book had this at about 1100 at guide book pricing, nothing written in stone. To me, I thought the 200 extra was a safe price for these engines. I guess wrong.

The books are not book value, they are just a guide for a value.

For me, eBay is still a great place to find trains across the country.

I have gotten trains in great shape below the book guided price many times on eBay.

train shows have mixed pricing too. As I don’t do train shows due to other activities, so eBay saves me time, gas, car wear, admissions x 2, as that has some value. I do York, however and that is a mixed bag of pricing.

Mike Marmer

From: Alan Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:13 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW


From: Alan Lambert

It is all about the die hard collectors getting into a bidding war until one bows out and the highest bid gets it. They don't worry about book value. They just bid. That's why you dont see me on ebay.
Thanks,
Alan


________________________________
From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <mailto:jad01%40bellsouth.net>
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW




makes me almost want to sell my stuff on ebay, dont know what is driving prices
up of late since jan. things been nutty

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From: "mailto:bowlsalot2%40yahoo.com" <mailto:bowlsalot2%40yahoo.com>
To: "mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, March 7, 2012 2:29:53 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW


I service engines for this seller. From now on I want a percentage! I didn't do
this one however

Neil

On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:49 PM, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <mailto:goatfarm%40comcast.net>
wrote:

>
> Absolutely out of control auction. Almost three times book value, even though
>it came with the original wrapper and the whistle control unit:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110830591035&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123
>3
>
> I'm sure the seller is celebrating.
>
> Bruce
>
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>
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68654 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Bumping into Layouts
Hi All,

I got a laugh out of Stumpy's woman heavily bumping into a layout at a train show. Several weeks ago I was at a local show and a young boy around 8 or 9 bumped into a module on a HO layout. His mother told him to be careful, went back to texting on her cell phone and one of the club guys carefully realigned the module. The same boy then bumped into the layout again at the same spot. His mother told him to be careful, continued texting and the club guy realigned the layout. Less than a minute later he bumped into it again - same result - same comment from Mom and same club guy realigning the module. Guess what happens next - the boy basically runs into the module splitting it from two other modules sending the train, houses, scenery, etc flying everywhere. This time his mother told him to be careful, continued texting and it took four club guys to start reassembling the modules. They made sure to keep the boy away while they took their time waiting for him to go away. Somehow they kept their cool, didn't say anything to the boy or his mom and of course she said nothing to them. I had to lead Tracie to another layout because she was ready to kick the mom's backside. We saw the same mom and boy looking at another layout about 10 minutes later and he was still acting up and mom was on the cell phone texting. Poor kid needed a parent instead of a disinterested bystander.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68655 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Question of wheels
Yes, I prefer Hi-rail trucks and couplers for reliable operation. I have no layout at home, but I have built four portable ones so far to display at train shows, shopping malls, and other places. When I finally get the space for my home railroad, I'll have learned a LOT by "taking my show on the road."
If there is a difference in the wheel flanges on different brands of Hi-rail rolling stock and locomotives, it hasn't caused me any problems. I use S Helper sectional track, flex track, and switches. I have had to replace damaged wheels and regauge a wheelset from time to time of course.
I run quite a mix of equipment. Most cars are S Helper or American Models and a couple of Des Plaines cars. I also have many old Flyer, some 80's-90's Flyonel, On30 cars converted to S, and some scratchbuilt rolling stock. Locomotives are mostly rebuilt old Flyer with six Putt Trains engines, a SHS 2-8-0, and a Flyonel Docksider.
Only one engine does not like the SHS curves and switches, an old Flyer 4-8-4. The driver wheelbase and overhang on curves takes it beyond my reliability standards. It goes around the curves, but must go slowly and it looks ridiculous on 20" radius as it wipes out signs and vehicles ten scale feet from the track.:-)
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68656 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Theres one on ebay right now. Buy it Now $299 from Martys Trains

� Tom Seccia





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From: "scubadoo2@..." <scubadoo2@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW


 


unfortunatly, the next 314AW to sell on Ebay will go for a fraction
of that price.

^
On Wed 03/07/12 3:27 PM , alizoo@... sent:
Its all relative anyway - if you want something go for it - life is
too short to
miss out and it will all be worth much less in a few years anyway -
whatever you
pay for it. Alistair
On Thu 08/03/12 5:43 AM , Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... [1]
sent:
> From: Alan Lambert
>
> It is all about the die hard collectors getting into a bidding war
> until one bows out and the highest bid gets it. They don't worry
> about book value. They just bid. That's why you dont see me on
ebay.
> Thanks,
> Alan
> ________________________________
> From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 1:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
>
> makes me almost want to sell my stuff on ebay, dont know what is
> driving prices
> up of late since jan. things been nutty
> ________________________________
> From: ""
> To: ""
> Sent: Wed, March 7, 2012 2:29:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
>
> I service engines for this seller. From now on I want a
percentage!
> I didn't do
> this one however
> Neil
> On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:49 PM, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr."
> wrote:
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> even though
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68657 From: robert hendrickson Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Book value? Is that value written in stone? The books are price guides not Bibles. Nothing is ever worth any more or less than what a buyer is willing to pay. If the seller does great, fine. If he doesn't, oh well. Life is too short and capricious to worry about such trivial matters. Embrace every day, be thankful for what you have or can afford and enjoy your trains.
 
Bob


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From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW


 
From: Alan Lambert
 
It is all about the die hard collectors getting into a bidding war until one bows out and the highest bid gets it. They don't worry about book value. They just bid. That's why you dont see me on ebay.
Thanks,
Alan


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From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW


 

makes me almost want to sell my stuff on ebay, dont know what is driving prices
up of late since jan. things been nutty

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From: "bowlsalot2@..." <bowlsalot2@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, March 7, 2012 2:29:53 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW

 
I service engines for this seller. From now on I want a percentage! I didn't do
this one however

Neil

On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:49 PM, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...>
wrote:

>
> Absolutely out of control auction. Almost three times book value, even though
>it came with the original wrapper and the whistle control unit:
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>3
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> I'm sure the seller is celebrating.
>
> Bruce
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68658 From: scott.dargenio@sbcglobal.net Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: FS Silver Flash Set with add on Vista Dome car
LTI 6-49606 Silver Flash set, set box has been opened, contents have not been out of their boxes and are still wrapped in the bags. As close to NEW as you can get.

6-48942 Vista Dome 962 Hamilton included. New in box also.

All paper work and warranty cards included along with the outer shrink wrap with original price tag on it.

$475 shipped insured UPS ground 48 states, will also accept best offer.

Any questions or pics please email scott.dargenio@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68659 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Tom,

Marty’s engine is no where in the same condition as the one that sold on eBay.

I would say Marty’s engine is more of a runner and the other engine, is more of a collector shelve item.

We should not judge someone who felt he or she had to bid over 800 for that engine by the way.

It is his or her decision to do what they did. We have no clue as to why they spent that kind of money, but they did.

Mike

From: Sheila Seccia
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 6:39 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW


Theres one on ebay right now. Buy it Now $299 from Martys Trains

� Tom Seccia





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68660 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: Bumping into layouts
I've seen the behavior Mr. Gator describes many times. And before I go further I want to say that for the most part folks are fairly decent around layouts and displays.
A friend and I did our first display layout in G scale in 1986 at a local shopping mall. It was an eye openning experience, even as big and rugged as G scale is! The mall had provided us with stantions and ropes around the display, but all that did was thin the herd of unattended children a little.
Trains shows USED to be much better. Most of those coming through the doors were model railroaders or train collectors. And unlike the malls and store openings, there was a ticket price to further weed out the morons.
Not so anymore! I stopped taking the On30 to some shows and have quit going toi a couple of others altogether because of the people at them.
The lady who did the aforementioned bumping was a real beast who stood right in front of the layout while talking to her friend about a beauty shop. She kept stepping back into my layout. I finally had to ask her to step away so other people could see the trains, to which she gave me a snotty answer before leaving.
Maybe I expect too much from adults today?
I've had several kids running amok in recent years, and being in education, I handled them firmly. Mon and Dad, when they paid any attention at all, made it clear they didn't like that. Several said their child wasn't like that, to which I asked "How would you know?"
It seems today there are real parents, and then there are people who had kids but "are stuck with them" now. :-)
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68661 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Hi Mike,
                    That's exactly why I made that posting.  Many people in this group are operators, not collectors.
If you look at price guides for example I believe Greenberg's list the 314Aw in Excellent Condition at $285.00. I've seen many in E with the controller sell for $500.00.  If someone is not going to pay $500 or $800 for a 314AW, they're most likely not going to pay $200 or $300 to get one.  I know true collectors and they will pay a price for what they want.  When you go to a train show, the highly collectible items usually sell more than book value. There are those who buy these trains to resell these at a profit and thoe who buy to collect.

American Flyer "S" Gauge is drying up and the collectors value is not going up that much.  Consider what you used to get for a Missouri Pacific or a Union Pacific passenger set and today's prices after Lionel made these.
Everyone is still entitled to their own opinion, but there is a reason for many of these buys.
                                                            Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW


 
Tom,

Marty’s engine is no where in the same condition as the one that sold on eBay.

I would say Marty’s engine is more of a runner and the other engine, is more of a collector shelve item.

We should not judge someone who felt he or she had to bid over 800 for that engine by the way.

It is his or her decision to do what they did. We have no clue as to why they spent that kind of money, but they did.

Mike

From: Sheila Seccia
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 6:39 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW

Theres one on ebay right now. Buy it Now $299 from Martys Trains

� Tom Seccia

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68662 From: jtkeating Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: Bumping into layouts
Stumpy, David and Group,
Reading the thread about display layouts and mayhem wrought by children and adults reminds me of a train show that I attended in a Cleveland, Ohio suburb several years ago. I had been invited to participate by the group members that I had gotten to know because I traveled regularly to Ohio from my home in Connecticut. While helping with the club's operation of their Flyer layout we had one boy reach over the plexiglass wall and place a quarter on the track and create a dead short; don't know if he was trying to get the loco to flatten his coin ala full size train or just being destructive. Another boy came along and watched the AF steamers with smoke puffing going by and asked if the smoke was toxic? I believe I asked him if his Father was a lawyer! No offense to attorneys intended. My personal worst experience as an exhibitor at a train show involved my display of two loops made of All Aboard panels in operation with my 2 daughters and myself operating the layout all day. During the day at some point in time I had persons unknown steal a PM gondola; not a high priced item but such an experience that I have not displayed a Flyer layout since then. It had been an enjoyable period of many years and displaying AF in several states. An unfortunate experience of our changing times and values. John in CT

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> I've seen the behavior Mr. Gator describes many times. And before I go further I want to say that for the most part folks are fairly decent around layouts and displays.
> A friend and I did our first display layout in G scale in 1986 at a local shopping mall. It was an eye openning experience, even as big and rugged as G scale is! The mall had provided us with stantions and ropes around the display, but all that did was thin the herd of unattended children a little.
> Trains shows USED to be much better. Most of those coming through the doors were model railroaders or train collectors. And unlike the malls and store openings, there was a ticket price to further weed out the morons.
> Not so anymore! I stopped taking the On30 to some shows and have quit going toi a couple of others altogether because of the people at them.
> The lady who did the aforementioned bumping was a real beast who stood right in front of the layout while talking to her friend about a beauty shop. She kept stepping back into my layout. I finally had to ask her to step away so other people could see the trains, to which she gave me a snotty answer before leaving.
> Maybe I expect too much from adults today?
> I've had several kids running amok in recent years, and being in education, I handled them firmly. Mon and Dad, when they paid any attention at all, made it clear they didn't like that. Several said their child wasn't like that, to which I asked "How would you know?"
> It seems today there are real parents, and then there are people who had kids but "are stuck with them" now. :-)
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68663 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: AF Switcher Curtain
Hi Mike,
                         I went and checked my reproductions in my inventory.  There are no number markings.  So the curtain you have with a number in it is original.
                                                      Tom Seccia



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From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Switcher Curtain


 
Tom,

Thanks for the help, as maybe not being able to tell the difference is a good thing then!

Hopefully the curtain is a original.

I just wanted to be sure.

Mike

From: Sheila Seccia
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 7:53 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Switcher Curtain

Very difficult to tell the difference. The reproductions from Ron Leventon are real good and the originals don't have a PA number. The correct number is PA14A788.
Tom Seccia



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68664 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: AF Switcher Curtain
Hi Tom.,

I really appreciate what you did.

Thank you so much. Now I know the one I have is original.

The curtain that came with this engine was broken and the seller somehow got me another one, as I got the engine on eBay. Both then are original.

The broken one is being sent back to him.

Mike

From: Sheila Seccia
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 12:48 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Switcher Curtain


Hi Mike,
I went and checked my reproductions in my inventory. There are no number markings. So the curtain you have with a number in it is original.
Tom Seccia

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From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Switcher Curtain



Tom,

Thanks for the help, as maybe not being able to tell the difference is a good thing then!

Hopefully the curtain is a original.

I just wanted to be sure.

Mike

From: Sheila Seccia
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 7:53 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Switcher Curtain

Very difficult to tell the difference. The reproductions from Ron Leventon are real good and the originals don't have a PA number. The correct number is PA14A788.
Tom Seccia



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68665 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Hi Tom,

Hey that is great, as the two engines are completely different.

yes, most on the list are not collectors, I think, and that is fine.

But we must respect those who are and why they pay the prices for things.

As you said good quality collectable AF is hard to fine, as that engine for 800 was.

Again, I lost out on a pair of Seaboard Baldwin's LN in the box as my bid was 1327 and the winning bid was 1357. Not doubled of what a guide price was, but about 257 above and that is great for all. Good collectable AF is still in demand.

In time I will fine another pair.

Also, I don’t buy collectable AF hoping to make a big profit one day, I buy these items because it’s a hobby I love to be in. Its not a investment money wise. Besides, all of my trains one day are going to the TCA and they will get a really nice collection of rare AF and they can decide what to keep and what to sell.

Mike Marmer

From: Sheila Seccia
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 11:01 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW


Hi Mike,
That's exactly why I made that posting. Many people in this group are operators, not collectors.
If you look at price guides for example I believe Greenberg's list the 314Aw in Excellent Condition at $285.00. I've seen many in E with the controller sell for $500.00. If someone is not going to pay $500 or $800 for a 314AW, they're most likely not going to pay $200 or $300 to get one. I know true collectors and they will pay a price for what they want. When you go to a train show, the highly collectible items usually sell more than book value. There are those who buy these trains to resell these at a profit and thoe who buy to collect.

American Flyer "S" Gauge is drying up and the collectors value is not going up that much. Consider what you used to get for a Missouri Pacific or a Union Pacific passenger set and today's prices after Lionel made these.
Everyone is still entitled to their own opinion, but there is a reason for many of these buys.
Tom Seccia

________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW



Tom,

Marty’s engine is no where in the same condition as the one that sold on eBay.

I would say Marty’s engine is more of a runner and the other engine, is more of a collector shelve item.

We should not judge someone who felt he or she had to bid over 800 for that engine by the way.

It is his or her decision to do what they did. We have no clue as to why they spent that kind of money, but they did.

Mike

From: Sheila Seccia
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 6:39 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW

Theres one on ebay right now. Buy it Now $299 from Martys Trains

� Tom Seccia

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68666 From: wjchadbourne Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: AF Switcher Curtain
I think you should have typed your experience with the seller in all
capital letters (shouting) to let some of the negative ebay purchasers
know that some of the sellers are very happy to make a good
transaction. I have had nothing but good experiences with buying on
ebay, although I do try to examine each product the best I can and ask
lots of questions before hand to avoid confusion.
Bud
Group: S-Trains Message: 68667 From: Steven Lunde Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Great Northern RS-3
I am looking for a American Models, Great Northern RS-3.  Either Scale or
Hi-Rail.  If any one has one they would like to part with
please contact me off list.

Thanks,
Steve Lunde

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68668 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: AF Switcher Curtain
Bud,

Thanks, as I know, but I was not going to do that.

EBay is a great tool if you do the work like you said.

Some of the sellers on eBay have become good friends.

Mike

From: wjchadbourne
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:54 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Switcher Curtain


I think you should have typed your experience with the seller in all
capital letters (shouting) to let some of the negative ebay purchasers
know that some of the sellers are very happy to make a good
transaction. I have had nothing but good experiences with buying on
ebay, although I do try to examine each product the best I can and ask
lots of questions before hand to avoid confusion.
Bud





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68669 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
I have no problem with what people want to pay for things. I have my
limits and I know them. My only qualm with the listing is the
repetition of that old urban legend of the Lionel vs. Gilbert lawsuit
over the whistle. I am a lawyer and I looked for any evidence of any
such lawsuit and could find none. If anyone has any solid evidence of
this, I would love to hear about it. Gilbert had done similar whistles
previously in the 3 rail line. Sometimes minor things can be changed
to avoid a patent infringement, as in the electromagnet vs. solenoid in
the reversing unit, which made it "unlike" the lionel E unit. Also, it
was pretty tough to pack everything needed for that loco into a small S
gauge tender, so there were clearly other reasons for abandoning it. I
recently heard a 710 steam whistle controller in action and it produces
a very good whistle sound, far superior to other AF electronic whistles.

Dale Smith

On 3/7/2012 8:01 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> That's exactly why I made that posting. Many
> people in this group are operators, not collectors.
> If you look at price guides for example I believe Greenberg's list the
> 314Aw in Excellent Condition at $285.00. I've seen many in E with the
> controller sell for $500.00. If someone is not going to pay $500 or
> $800 for a 314AW, they're most likely not going to pay $200 or $300 to
> get one. I know true collectors and they will pay a price for what
> they want. When you go to a train show, the highly collectible items
> usually sell more than book value. There are those who buy these
> trains to resell these at a profit and thoe who buy to collect.
>
> American Flyer "S" Gauge is drying up and the collectors value is not
> going up that much. Consider what you used to get for a Missouri
> Pacific or a Union Pacific passenger set and today's prices after
> Lionel made these.
> Everyone is still entitled to their own opinion, but there is a reason
> for many of these buys.
> Tom Seccia
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...
> <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 8:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
>
>
>
> Tom,
>
> Marty’s engine is no where in the same condition as the one that sold
> on eBay.
>
> I would say Marty’s engine is more of a runner and the other engine,
> is more of a collector shelve item.
>
> We should not judge someone who felt he or she had to bid over 800 for
> that engine by the way.
>
> It is his or her decision to do what they did. We have no clue as to
> why they spent that kind of money, but they did.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Sheila Seccia
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 6:39 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
>
> Theres one on ebay right now. Buy it Now $299 from Martys Trains
>
> � Tom Seccia
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68670 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: Bumping into layouts
And there's the other side of the coin... My son and I attended a local (Denver area) train show a few years ago. We were looking at an HO layout that had a plexiglass wall about 12 inches tall around it with several prominent signs reading "These are precision models,THEY ARE NOT TOYS." Maybe they just didn't want little fingers touching anything, but I've often wondered how many people were turned off the hobby by those signs.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "jtkeating" <john_keating@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 9:13:37 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Bumping into layouts






Stumpy, David and Group,
Reading the thread about display layouts and mayhem wrought by children and adults reminds me of a train show that I attended in a Cleveland, Ohio suburb several years ago. I had been invited to participate by the group members that I had gotten to know because I traveled regularly to Ohio from my home in Connecticut. While helping with the club's operation of their Flyer layout we had one boy reach over the plexiglass wall and place a quarter on the track and create a dead short; don't know if he was trying to get the loco to flatten his coin ala full size train or just being destructive. Another boy came along and watched the AF steamers with smoke puffing going by and asked if the smoke was toxic? I believe I asked him if his Father was a lawyer! No offense to attorneys intended. My personal worst experience as an exhibitor at a train show involved my display of two loops made of All Aboard panels in operation with my 2 daughters and myself operating the layout all day. During the day at some point in time I had persons unknown steal a PM gondola; not a high priced item but such an experience that I have not displayed a Flyer layout since then. It had been an enjoyable period of many years and displaying AF in several states. An unfortunate experience of our changing times and values. John in CT

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> I've seen the behavior Mr. Gator describes many times. And before I go further I want to say that for the most part folks are fairly decent around layouts and displays.
> A friend and I did our first display layout in G scale in 1986 at a local shopping mall. It was an eye openning experience, even as big and rugged as G scale is! The mall had provided us with stantions and ropes around the display, but all that did was thin the herd of unattended children a little.
> Trains shows USED to be much better. Most of those coming through the doors were model railroaders or train collectors. And unlike the malls and store openings, there was a ticket price to further weed out the morons.
> Not so anymore! I stopped taking the On30 to some shows and have quit going toi a couple of others altogether because of the people at them.
> The lady who did the aforementioned bumping was a real beast who stood right in front of the layout while talking to her friend about a beauty shop. She kept stepping back into my layout. I finally had to ask her to step away so other people could see the trains, to which she gave me a snotty answer before leaving.
> Maybe I expect too much from adults today?
> I've had several kids running amok in recent years, and being in education, I handled them firmly. Mon and Dad, when they paid any attention at all, made it clear they didn't like that. Several said their child wasn't like that, to which I asked "How would you know?"
> It seems today there are real parents, and then there are people who had kids but "are stuck with them" now. :-)
> Stumpy in Ahia
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68671 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: Bumping into layouts
Hello friends,

I have been following the thread about kids with inattentive parents at train shows with
interest having displayed my trains and our portable layout at public venues and
train shows for over thirty years. I thought I would share with this group a story I related
to the Toy Trains group several years ago when the subject was "prized trains crashing to the floor."

My first such face tightening experience occurred at the first public display of
my train collection in which I had ever participated.

I was asked to display some of my American Flyer Trains at an open house weekend
in honor of Salem, Oregon being the birthplace of A. C. Gilbert. The open house
was held at a restored Queen Anne style mansion called Deepwood. This was
before the A. T. Gilbert (A. C.'s Uncle) house was acquired and became the core
of the current A. C. Gilbert Discovery Village Children's Museum.

I set up a small AF operating layout and some items on display in an upstairs
bedroom. I had several locomotives and a few distinctive cars sitting on the
fireplace mantel. A young father came in with a "papoose" style carrier on his
back with a toddler in it. While daddy looked at my layout, sweet little thing
spied the trains on the mantle and reached out to grab a nice maroon heavyweight
AF 954 observation car. While her little fingers could pull it off the mantle,
she could not hold on to it, and down to the tile hearth it went. I heard it
hit and thought, "Well, I may be able to salvage the six wheel trucks," got up
and headed over to pick up the pieces. Dad figured he and his progeny had
better leave and bugged out without a word.

Believe it or not, the plastic Pullman car was not damaged at all. The only
casualty was the coupler which I immediately replaced. It must have hit on the
coupler and laid down flat on its side. The fall was at least 4 1/2 feet to a tile hearth.
I did feel a twinge when I realized that on the mantle also were a 322 Hudson, a
336 Northern and a 343 eight wheel switcher.

In spite of the near disaster and the lack of grace displayed by the young
lady's father, I enjoyed the weekend very much. I found how much I liked
sharing the trains with the public of all ages. It led me to over 25 years and
counting of running my AF trains at the Oregon State Capitol for Christmas, to
loaning a portion of my collection to the A. C. Gilbert Discovery Village for
nearly 15 years, and to countless train shows here in the Northwest including the
most recent World's Greatest Hobby on Tour Show in Portland, OR. My equipment
losses from all of these endeavors have been remarkably minor. I agree with the
others that it is the inattentive parents that are more frustrating than most of the
children, but I try not to be the scowling curmudgeon behind the train layout.
We plan for the crowds and enjoy engaging the children and coaxing them and
their parents to get into, or back into, the hobby.

Now that I have grandchildren and I am retired, I hope to get something up
and running at home again before I shuffle off this mortal coil. And if we have
an accident that results in a suicide dive to the floor of a prized AF Hudson or
Alco PA, I will try to smile and remember that it was my own fault, which is
quite likely, and that this child's experiences with toy trains today will make up his
or her feelings about toy trains in the future.

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR


----- Original Message -----
From: jtkeating
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:13 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Bumping into layouts



Stumpy, David and Group,
Reading the thread about display layouts and mayhem wrought by children and adults reminds me of a train show that I attended in a Cleveland, Ohio suburb several years ago. I had been invited to participate by the group members that I had gotten to know because I traveled regularly to Ohio from my home in Connecticut. While helping with the club's operation of their Flyer layout we had one boy reach over the plexiglass wall and place a quarter on the track and create a dead short; don't know if he was trying to get the loco to flatten his coin ala full size train or just being destructive. Another boy came along and watched the AF steamers with smoke puffing going by and asked if the smoke was toxic? I believe I asked him if his Father was a lawyer! No offense to attorneys intended. My personal worst experience as an exhibitor at a train show involved my display of two loops made of All Aboard panels in operation with my 2 daughters and myself operating the layout all day. During the day at some point in time I had persons unknown steal a PM gondola; not a high priced item but such an experience that I have not displayed a Flyer layout since then. It had been an enjoyable period of many years and displaying AF in several states. An unfortunate experience of our changing times and values. John in CT

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> I've seen the behavior Mr. Gator describes many times. And before I go further I want to say that for the most part folks are fairly decent around layouts and displays.
> A friend and I did our first display layout in G scale in 1986 at a local shopping mall. It was an eye openning experience, even as big and rugged as G scale is! The mall had provided us with stantions and ropes around the display, but all that did was thin the herd of unattended children a little.
> Trains shows USED to be much better. Most of those coming through the doors were model railroaders or train collectors. And unlike the malls and store openings, there was a ticket price to further weed out the morons.
> Not so anymore! I stopped taking the On30 to some shows and have quit going toi a couple of others altogether because of the people at them.
> The lady who did the aforementioned bumping was a real beast who stood right in front of the layout while talking to her friend about a beauty shop. She kept stepping back into my layout. I finally had to ask her to step away so other people could see the trains, to which she gave me a snotty answer before leaving.
> Maybe I expect too much from adults today?
> I've had several kids running amok in recent years, and being in education, I handled them firmly. Mon and Dad, when they paid any attention at all, made it clear they didn't like that. Several said their child wasn't like that, to which I asked "How would you know?"
> It seems today there are real parents, and then there are people who had kids but "are stuck with them" now. :-)
> Stumpy in Ahia
>





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Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine Announcement
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68673 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
and he notes -

I believe the lawsuit was over smoke. Lionel attempted a liquid smoke
unit but was quickly rebuffed by Gilbert and went to a solid pellet
which was pulverized and blown out the stack as a fine powder (which
got over everything).

If I remember correctly, Gilbert's engineer (Maury Romer) went to a
perfume manufacturer for the formula and they made the stuff for a
few years after it was introduced. The idea was touted that Mama
would enjoy having the room smell nice rather than wipe the Lionel
powder off the furniture!

Raleigh in Balmeigh Maineigh...

At 02:20 PM 3/8/2012, Dale F. Smith wrote:
>
>
>I have no problem with what people want to pay for things. I have my
>limits and I know them. My only qualm with the listing is the
>repetition of that old urban legend of the Lionel vs. Gilbert lawsuit
>over the whistle. I am a lawyer and I looked for any evidence of any
>such lawsuit and could find none. If anyone has any solid evidence of
>this, I would love to hear about it. Gilbert had done similar whistles
>previously in the 3 rail line. Sometimes minor things can be changed
>to avoid a patent infringement, as in the electromagnet vs. solenoid in
>the reversing unit, which made it "unlike" the lionel E unit. Also, it
>was pretty tough to pack everything needed for that loco into a small S
>gauge tender, so there were clearly other reasons for abandoning it. I
>recently heard a 710 steam whistle controller in action and it produces
>a very good whistle sound, far superior to other AF electronic whistles.
>
>Dale Smith
Group: S-Trains Message: 68674 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Smoke formulas was Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
I hadn't heard about a smoke lawsuit, but I really pity the poor mothers
of Marx owners, whose smoke units blew talcum powder. Cheaper only in
the short run. Also, I have been told by a reputable Gilbert historian
that the formula for the smoke fluid was nothing more than mineral oil
with cedar oil added for the scent. No kerosene at all. He has shown
me factory literature that states directly that the fluid is mineral oil
and as such is non-toxic. Now the question is just what is mineral oil,
as I understand it is an imprecise term. Is it the stuff you can buy at
the drugstore? I saw the smoke produced by just such a home made
mixture and it sure smelled like the genuine article from Gilbert and
worked just fine.

Dale Smith


On 3/8/2012 12:40 PM, Rollain Mercier wrote:
>
> and he notes -
>
> I believe the lawsuit was over smoke. Lionel attempted a liquid smoke
> unit but was quickly rebuffed by Gilbert and went to a solid pellet
> which was pulverized and blown out the stack as a fine powder (which
> got over everything).
>
> If I remember correctly, Gilbert's engineer (Maury Romer) went to a
> perfume manufacturer for the formula and they made the stuff for a
> few years after it was introduced. The idea was touted that Mama
> would enjoy having the room smell nice rather than wipe the Lionel
> powder off the furniture!
>
> Raleigh in Balmeigh Maineigh...
>
> At 02:20 PM 3/8/2012, Dale F. Smith wrote:
> >
> >
> >I have no problem with what people want to pay for things. I have my
> >limits and I know them. My only qualm with the listing is the
> >repetition of that old urban legend of the Lionel vs. Gilbert lawsuit
> >over the whistle. I am a lawyer and I looked for any evidence of any
> >such lawsuit and could find none. If anyone has any solid evidence of
> >this, I would love to hear about it. Gilbert had done similar whistles
> >previously in the 3 rail line. Sometimes minor things can be changed
> >to avoid a patent infringement, as in the electromagnet vs. solenoid in
> >the reversing unit, which made it "unlike" the lionel E unit. Also, it
> >was pretty tough to pack everything needed for that loco into a small S
> >gauge tender, so there were clearly other reasons for abandoning it. I
> >recently heard a 710 steam whistle controller in action and it produces
> >a very good whistle sound, far superior to other AF electronic whistles.
> >
> >Dale Smith
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68675 From: Robert Boring Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: Bumping into layouts
Alan and Group,

The Northwest S Scalers have been doing local train shows since the early 1990's. The only time we really had any trouble was the one and only mall show we did several years ago. Because of that We will not do another mall show. One girl of about 9 or 10 was poking at the trains across our ropes getting ever closer. When I asked her not to touch she just gave a big swipe and cleared the track. Mother who was in a near by coffee shop had no trouble hearing me when I yelled but did nothing to interrupt her coffee. It kept one of us busy just circling the layout to keep things together.

We also did the WGH show in Portland and had a good experience. I find that most train shows where an admission is charged that the people who attend are a good deal more respectful of your efforts. When the crowd was light we even let some of the younger kids start a train from a standing start at the front of the layout. We had kids younger than 3 doing it. The parents and the kids both enjoyed this.

We do use ropes and while the little kids will run under them most of the parents will grab them and haul them back. We also try to have a chair where the kid can stand with the parent holding on so they can watch the trains.

Bob Boring
Boring, OR


----- Original Message -----
From: Alan and Sherry Bennett
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Bumping into layouts



Hello friends,

I have been following the thread about kids with inattentive parents at train shows with
interest having displayed my trains and our portable layout at public venues and
train shows for over thirty years. I thought I would share with this group a story I related
to the Toy Trains group several years ago when the subject was "prized trains crashing to the floor."

My first such face tightening experience occurred at the first public display of
my train collection in which I had ever participated.

I was asked to display some of my American Flyer Trains at an open house weekend
in honor of Salem, Oregon being the birthplace of A. C. Gilbert. The open house
was held at a restored Queen Anne style mansion called Deepwood. This was
before the A. T. Gilbert (A. C.'s Uncle) house was acquired and became the core
of the current A. C. Gilbert Discovery Village Children's Museum.

I set up a small AF operating layout and some items on display in an upstairs
bedroom. I had several locomotives and a few distinctive cars sitting on the
fireplace mantel. A young father came in with a "papoose" style carrier on his
back with a toddler in it. While daddy looked at my layout, sweet little thing
spied the trains on the mantle and reached out to grab a nice maroon heavyweight
AF 954 observation car. While her little fingers could pull it off the mantle,
she could not hold on to it, and down to the tile hearth it went. I heard it
hit and thought, "Well, I may be able to salvage the six wheel trucks," got up
and headed over to pick up the pieces. Dad figured he and his progeny had
better leave and bugged out without a word.

Believe it or not, the plastic Pullman car was not damaged at all. The only
casualty was the coupler which I immediately replaced. It must have hit on the
coupler and laid down flat on its side. The fall was at least 4 1/2 feet to a tile hearth.
I did feel a twinge when I realized that on the mantle also were a 322 Hudson, a
336 Northern and a 343 eight wheel switcher.

In spite of the near disaster and the lack of grace displayed by the young
lady's father, I enjoyed the weekend very much. I found how much I liked
sharing the trains with the public of all ages. It led me to over 25 years and
counting of running my AF trains at the Oregon State Capitol for Christmas, to
loaning a portion of my collection to the A. C. Gilbert Discovery Village for
nearly 15 years, and to countless train shows here in the Northwest including the
most recent World's Greatest Hobby on Tour Show in Portland, OR. My equipment
losses from all of these endeavors have been remarkably minor. I agree with the
others that it is the inattentive parents that are more frustrating than most of the
children, but I try not to be the scowling curmudgeon behind the train layout.
We plan for the crowds and enjoy engaging the children and coaxing them and
their parents to get into, or back into, the hobby.

Now that I have grandchildren and I am retired, I hope to get something up
and running at home again before I shuffle off this mortal coil. And if we have
an accident that results in a suicide dive to the floor of a prized AF Hudson or
Alco PA, I will try to smile and remember that it was my own fault, which is
quite likely, and that this child's experiences with toy trains today will make up his
or her feelings about toy trains in the future.

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

----- Original Message -----
From: jtkeating
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:13 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Bumping into layouts

Stumpy, David and Group,
Reading the thread about display layouts and mayhem wrought by children and adults reminds me of a train show that I attended in a Cleveland, Ohio suburb several years ago. I had been invited to participate by the group members that I had gotten to know because I traveled regularly to Ohio from my home in Connecticut. While helping with the club's operation of their Flyer layout we had one boy reach over the plexiglass wall and place a quarter on the track and create a dead short; don't know if he was trying to get the loco to flatten his coin ala full size train or just being destructive. Another boy came along and watched the AF steamers with smoke puffing going by and asked if the smoke was toxic? I believe I asked him if his Father was a lawyer! No offense to attorneys intended. My personal worst experience as an exhibitor at a train show involved my display of two loops made of All Aboard panels in operation with my 2 daughters and myself operating the layout all day. During the day at some point in time I had persons unknown steal a PM gondola; not a high priced item but such an experience that I have not displayed a Flyer layout since then. It had been an enjoyable period of many years and displaying AF in several states. An unfortunate experience of our changing times and values. John in CT

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> I've seen the behavior Mr. Gator describes many times. And before I go further I want to say that for the most part folks are fairly decent around layouts and displays.
> A friend and I did our first display layout in G scale in 1986 at a local shopping mall. It was an eye openning experience, even as big and rugged as G scale is! The mall had provided us with stantions and ropes around the display, but all that did was thin the herd of unattended children a little.
> Trains shows USED to be much better. Most of those coming through the doors were model railroaders or train collectors. And unlike the malls and store openings, there was a ticket price to further weed out the morons.
> Not so anymore! I stopped taking the On30 to some shows and have quit going toi a couple of others altogether because of the people at them.
> The lady who did the aforementioned bumping was a real beast who stood right in front of the layout while talking to her friend about a beauty shop. She kept stepping back into my layout. I finally had to ask her to step away so other people could see the trains, to which she gave me a snotty answer before leaving.
> Maybe I expect too much from adults today?
> I've had several kids running amok in recent years, and being in education, I handled them firmly. Mon and Dad, when they paid any attention at all, made it clear they didn't like that. Several said their child wasn't like that, to which I asked "How would you know?"
> It seems today there are real parents, and then there are people who had kids but "are stuck with them" now. :-)
> Stumpy in Ahia
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68676 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: Bumping into layouts
When you get right down to it, the problem is a minor one for the most part, as I said in my first post. However, bad behavior of kids and adults does exist and I no longer do malls, car dealers, store openings or other such events because of it.
Fortunately, bad behavior is usually rare at most train shows, particularly those like the Spring S Spree and the Midwest Narrow Gauge Show.
When it comes to children, the reality is that the parents (and sometimes grandparents) are the real problem. Having worked in a school for many years, I understand that kids are "just being kids." They don't know any better. I do not scowl at them, in fact always talk to them and answer questions, as anyone who has been at a show I was at will tell you.
However, I also understand that if they are not told their behavior is wrong, they will just keep doing it. And that goes for the parents as well.
There is a lot of talk about kids being the next generation of train folks. However, they will only become toy or model train enthusiasts if they learn. They have to be educated, and part of all education is knowing where the lines are drawn. Remember, they're kids. Although there are some older "kids" that need educated too.) :-)
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68677 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Hi Dale,
� There never was a law suit filed.  I go along what you say about fitting everything in the tender. Most likely a repairman's nightmare.  Considering the cost of putting an addition armature in the unit and a separate whistle control the size of a small transformer my opinion Gilbert dropped it because of cost.  Lionel had another issue for which they were going to sure Gilbert and that was the dump cars.  These were very close to the Lionel patents and they either dropped the suit or gave Gilbert permission to use the patent. As far as the smoke, Lionel used smoke pellets in their units. Later they made conversions to liquid smoke. The original Gilbert smoke composition contains kerosent and cedar wood oil.  I have envelopes which read exactly that.  I have seen labeling marked Non Toxic.

� Tom Seccia


________________________________
From: Dale F. Smith <dalefsmith@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW


 
I have no problem with what people want to pay for things. I have my
limits and I know them. My only qualm with the listing is the
repetition of that old urban legend of the Lionel vs. Gilbert lawsuit
over the whistle. I am a lawyer and I looked for any evidence of any
such lawsuit and could find none. If anyone has any solid evidence of
this, I would love to hear about it. Gilbert had done similar whistles
previously in the 3 rail line. Sometimes minor things can be changed
to avoid a patent infringement, as in the electromagnet vs. solenoid in
the reversing unit, which made it "unlike" the lionel E unit. Also, it
was pretty tough to pack everything needed for that loco into a small S
gauge tender, so there were clearly other reasons for abandoning it. I
recently heard a 710 steam whistle controller in action and it produces
a very good whistle sound, far superior to other AF electronic whistles.

Dale Smith

On 3/7/2012 8:01 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> That's exactly why I made that posting. Many
> people in this group are operators, not collectors.
> If you look at price guides for example I believe Greenberg's list the
> 314Aw in Excellent Condition at $285.00. I've seen many in E with the
> controller sell for $500.00. If someone is not going to pay $500 or
> $800 for a 314AW, they're most likely not going to pay $200 or $300 to
> get one. I know true collectors and they will pay a price for what
> they want. When you go to a train show, the highly collectible items
> usually sell more than book value. There are those who buy these
> trains to resell these at a profit and thoe who buy to collect.
>
> American Flyer "S" Gauge is drying up and the collectors value is not
> going up that much. Consider what you used to get for a Missouri
> Pacific or a Union Pacific passenger set and today's prices after
> Lionel made these.
> Everyone is still entitled to their own opinion, but there is a reason
> for many of these buys.
> Tom Seccia
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...
> <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 8:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
>
>
>
> Tom,
>
> Marty’s engine is no where in the same condition as the one that sold
> on eBay.
>
> I would say Marty’s engine is more of a runner and the other engine,
> is more of a collector shelve item.
>
> We should not judge someone who felt he or she had to bid over 800 for
> that engine by the way.
>
> It is his or her decision to do what they did. We have no clue as to
> why they spent that kind of money, but they did.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Sheila Seccia
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 6:39 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
>
> Theres one on ebay right now. Buy it Now $299 from Martys Trains
>
> � Tom Seccia
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68678 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Maintaining and/or replacing knuckle couplers
What is the current best thinking on how to clean and lubricate knuckle
couplers that have become sluggish from disuse, storage, etc?



And, for those broken ones I get when buying old cars at auctions and garage
sales, etc, what is the best way to remove a knuckle coupler from the truck?




Has anyone put together a "how-to" PDF on couplers, with repair and
maintenance tips for the various AF coupler flavors?



Thanks in advance.



Ben



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68679 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: Bumping into layouts
My friend Milo and I used to take a portable layout to local train
shows. We let the kids run the trains. It was a hoot. One thing we
always reminded them was "Don't Spill The Soup!" We would go on to
explain about the diners in the passenger cars sitting down for lunch.
It helped the engineers to get off to smooth starts and maybe stops.

When people with small children approached the layout, we would address
them and do what we could to engage in a conversation. Once the grownup
was interacting with us, the kids were supervised. Happily, at train
shows the kids were rarely allowed to roam alone.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 3/8/2012 9:56 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
> When you get right down to it, the problem is a minor one for the most part, as I said in my first post. However, bad behavior of kids and adults does exist and I no longer do malls, car dealers, store openings or other such events because of it.
> Fortunately, bad behavior is usually rare at most train shows, particularly those like the Spring S Spree and the Midwest Narrow Gauge Show.
> When it comes to children, the reality is that the parents (and sometimes grandparents) are the real problem. Having worked in a school for many years, I understand that kids are "just being kids." They don't know any better. I do not scowl at them, in fact always talk to them and answer questions, as anyone who has been at a show I was at will tell you.
> However, I also understand that if they are not told their behavior is wrong, they will just keep doing it. And that goes for the parents as well.
> There is a lot of talk about kids being the next generation of train folks. However, they will only become toy or model train enthusiasts if they learn. They have to be educated, and part of all education is knowing where the lines are drawn. Remember, they're kids. Although there are some older "kids" that need educated too.) :-)
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68680 From: Joseph H Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: Bumping into layouts
I agre with Alan. Gilbert made his trains to be played with. They are "toys", and as such were shown at the Toy Fair each year. If you do not want it touched, do not take it to a show. Put in behind glass in a mauseleum.

We heard "Do Not Touch" by parents so often that we decided that we really did want the children of all ages to become involved with our trains. So we added button boards all around the layout. At one recent almost monthlong Christmas show we have 77 buttons around the layout. We went from never winning any prizes in the layout contests to winning first place almost every time. The "back to the crowd DCC" standoff insect gauges eventually complained and now layouts are remunerated by one of 3 size categories.

We now regularly hand the Legacy controller to a kid and let him/her run our trains. We also have a Thomas cab and a hand-powered DC train race. Figure out how you can get kids involved with trains instead of telling them "Don't Touch!!!"

Joe

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan and Sherry Bennett" <alansherry@...> wrote:
>
> Hello friends,
>
> I have been following the thread about kids with inattentive parents at train shows with
> interest having displayed my trains and our portable layout at public venues and
> train shows for over thirty years. I thought I would share with this group a story I related
> to the Toy Trains group several years ago when the subject was "prized trains crashing to the floor."
>
> My first such face tightening experience occurred at the first public display of
> my train collection in which I had ever participated.
>
> I was asked to display some of my American Flyer Trains at an open house weekend
> in honor of Salem, Oregon being the birthplace of A. C. Gilbert. The open house
> was held at a restored Queen Anne style mansion called Deepwood. This was
> before the A. T. Gilbert (A. C.'s Uncle) house was acquired and became the core
> of the current A. C. Gilbert Discovery Village Children's Museum.
>
> I set up a small AF operating layout and some items on display in an upstairs
> bedroom. I had several locomotives and a few distinctive cars sitting on the
> fireplace mantel. A young father came in with a "papoose" style carrier on his
> back with a toddler in it. While daddy looked at my layout, sweet little thing
> spied the trains on the mantle and reached out to grab a nice maroon heavyweight
> AF 954 observation car. While her little fingers could pull it off the mantle,
> she could not hold on to it, and down to the tile hearth it went. I heard it
> hit and thought, "Well, I may be able to salvage the six wheel trucks," got up
> and headed over to pick up the pieces. Dad figured he and his progeny had
> better leave and bugged out without a word.
>
> Believe it or not, the plastic Pullman car was not damaged at all. The only
> casualty was the coupler which I immediately replaced. It must have hit on the
> coupler and laid down flat on its side. The fall was at least 4 1/2 feet to a tile hearth.
> I did feel a twinge when I realized that on the mantle also were a 322 Hudson, a
> 336 Northern and a 343 eight wheel switcher.
>
> In spite of the near disaster and the lack of grace displayed by the young
> lady's father, I enjoyed the weekend very much. I found how much I liked
> sharing the trains with the public of all ages. It led me to over 25 years and
> counting of running my AF trains at the Oregon State Capitol for Christmas, to
> loaning a portion of my collection to the A. C. Gilbert Discovery Village for
> nearly 15 years, and to countless train shows here in the Northwest including the
> most recent World's Greatest Hobby on Tour Show in Portland, OR. My equipment
> losses from all of these endeavors have been remarkably minor. I agree with the
> others that it is the inattentive parents that are more frustrating than most of the
> children, but I try not to be the scowling curmudgeon behind the train layout.
> We plan for the crowds and enjoy engaging the children and coaxing them and
> their parents to get into, or back into, the hobby.
>
> Now that I have grandchildren and I am retired, I hope to get something up
> and running at home again before I shuffle off this mortal coil. And if we have
> an accident that results in a suicide dive to the floor of a prized AF Hudson or
> Alco PA, I will try to smile and remember that it was my own fault, which is
> quite likely, and that this child's experiences with toy trains today will make up his
> or her feelings about toy trains in the future.
>
> Alan Bennett
> Keizer, OR

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68681 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines
The below is a question from a O gauge friend about the Lionel engine.

I am not familiar with these engines.

I am hoping someone might be able to answer his question, I think these engines will do okay on the old track, as I believe Lionel is now selling this track today, whether the old style or the new road bed style.

Thanks.

Mike


We had a recent semi-exchange about Flyionel new 2-8-8-2 steamer. One thing I failed to ask if it is compatible with the radius of the '70s-'70s track I am using. If you don't know, can you refer me to someone who may be up on this thing???

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68682 From: rzuerlein2001 Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines
The Lionel catalog indicates a minimum radius of 18". Radius of original Gilbert AF is 20". It should work.

Roger Zuerlein

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> The below is a question from a O gauge friend about the Lionel engine.
>
> I am not familiar with these engines.
>
> I am hoping someone might be able to answer his question, I think these engines will do okay on the old track, as I believe Lionel is now selling this track today, whether the old style or the new road bed style.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mike
>
>
> We had a recent semi-exchange about Flyionel new 2-8-8-2 steamer. One thing I failed to ask if it is compatible with the radius of the '70s-'70s track I am using. If you don't know, can you refer me to someone who may be up on this thing???
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68683 From: R G Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines
The new engines will run on all traditional Flyer track but not pike master track



________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: P. J. Heck <heckinohio@...>
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 11:34 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines


 
The below is a question from a O gauge friend about the Lionel engine.

I am not familiar with these engines.

I am hoping someone might be able to answer his question, I think these engines will do okay on the old track, as I believe Lionel is now selling this track today, whether the old style or the new road bed style.

Thanks.

Mike

We had a recent semi-exchange about Flyionel new 2-8-8-2 steamer. One thing I failed to ask if it is compatible with the radius of the '70s-'70s track I am using. If you don't know, can you refer me to someone who may be up on this thing???

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68684 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines
The most recent Lionel Flyer catalog says minimum radius 36² so in theory
the 2-8-8-2¹s will run on original Gilbert radius track (which depending
upon how you measure, is either 38² diameter or 40² diameter) or the newer
Lionel tubular (which is not shown in the new catalog and I presume it has
been discontinued). But as with any articulated engine, the wider the radius
the better. I would guess that his track is actually from the Œ50¹s or Œ60¹s
because I think there was no S tubular being manufactured after Gilbert died
in 1966. That is until K-Line came along with some in the Œ90¹s. They also
made 54² diameter curves, very nice track.

Roy Inman



From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 11:34:00 -0500
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "P. J. Heck" <heckinohio@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines






The below is a question from a O gauge friend about the Lionel engine.

I am not familiar with these engines.

I am hoping someone might be able to answer his question, I think these
engines will do okay on the old track, as I believe Lionel is now selling
this track today, whether the old style or the new road bed style.

Thanks.

Mike

We had a recent semi-exchange about Flyionel new 2-8-8-2 steamer. One thing
I failed to ask if it is compatible with the radius of the '70s-'70s track I
am using. If you don't know, can you refer me to someone who may be up on
this thing???

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68685 From: Ben Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: New Circus car photos
Wayne-

The Human Cannonball truck is done. I am very pleased with it! I hope to take some pictures of it and my other AF circus creations this weekend and get a photo album up. Many of my custom circus trucks/loads were featured in an S Gaugian article in 2010.

I also made custom wood slats to hold the cannonball truck and an ACME carousel truck and another to hold two ACME carousel trucks on flatcars.

I like these quick, small projects with the baby in the house and another one on the way as I usually have all of the materials I need to do them on hand and there is very little outlay of money.

Ben



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote:
> I love you idea of the human cannonball truck. Please post photos when done. I may try one myself.
>
> Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 68686 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Curve radius questions
Okay, the Flyonel catalog says that the announced 2-8-8-2 will go around "standard" Flyer curve radius. Does the Flyonel Challenger or Big Boy? It should be pretty similar.
However, because you CAN do a thing doesn't mean you should. I would advise starting with a larger radius for reliable operation. This is a "rule" that is universal across all scales and gauges of model railroading.
Back in the 70's in HO scale, Rivarossi advertised that their "exact scale" models of the Big Boy, Y-6b, and other articulated engines would go around 22" radius curves, while the standard curve of the era was 18" radius. These were large engines, but they would actually struggle around 22" most of the time. We found 24" to be better, and 36" best. At 36" the overhang of the pilot and cab didn't wipe out all the trackside structures anymore either.
An old friend bought a new Lionel O three rail articulated loco a few years ago. Because of the placement of the track on the back of his layout, he ran it at half throttle right into the wall on the curve. It didn't do the plaster oir the pilot any good at all.
My own 1949 Gilbert 4-8-4 is not real happy on "standard" Gilbert radius, but it will go around it ...carefully. Unfortunately, the overhang on that radius causes the pilot and cab to plow away anything within ten scale feet of the roadbed.
I would suggest that big engines deserve big curves. Yes, I understand that most new Flyonel purchased today either never come out of the box or are proudly displayed on shelves. But there are also folks who want to run their new trains, and beside the minimum curve radius, there are other things to consider.
Stumpy in Ahia...been there, done that.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68687 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines
Thanks, Roger, RG, and Roy for the answers.

I passed them along to P J.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68688 From: R G Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines
No theory about it, I have two of the new challengers and a Big Boy and all of them can run on 20" radius Flyer track. However like you stated they look much better on 27" radius or larger track.



________________________________
From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...>
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines


 
The most recent Lionel Flyer catalog says minimum radius 36² so in theory
the 2-8-8-2¹s will run on original Gilbert radius track (which depending
upon how you measure, is either 38² diameter or 40² diameter) or the newer
Lionel tubular (which is not shown in the new catalog and I presume it has
been discontinued). But as with any articulated engine, the wider the radius
the better. I would guess that his track is actually from the Œ50¹s or Œ60¹s
because I think there was no S tubular being manufactured after Gilbert died
in 1966. That is until K-Line came along with some in the Œ90¹s. They also
made 54² diameter curves, very nice track.

Roy Inman

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 11:34:00 -0500
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "P. J. Heck" <heckinohio@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines

The below is a question from a O gauge friend about the Lionel engine.

I am not familiar with these engines.

I am hoping someone might be able to answer his question, I think these
engines will do okay on the old track, as I believe Lionel is now selling
this track today, whether the old style or the new road bed style.

Thanks.

Mike

We had a recent semi-exchange about Flyionel new 2-8-8-2 steamer. One thing
I failed to ask if it is compatible with the radius of the '70s-'70s track I
am using. If you don't know, can you refer me to someone who may be up on
this thing???

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68689 From: Herbert Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
There was a patent dispute. I remember seeing a copy of theletter from The AC Gilbert Company to Lionel in answer to Lionel's letter
regarding the patent on the dump car. Gilbert said they would change the way they produced the car (had to do with the hinge) if they would be allowed to sell the remaining inventory. Lionel replied that would be ok. The correspondence was very polite and no threats were made. I once asked Marshall Frisbie about the state of their relationship with Lionel, and he said they were "cordial."

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Dale,
>   There never was a law suit filed.  I go along what you say about fitting everything in the tender. Most likely a repairman's nightmare.  Considering the cost of putting an addition armature in the unit and a separate whistle control the size of a small transformer my opinion Gilbert dropped it because of cost.  Lionel had another issue for which they were going to sure Gilbert and that was the dump cars.  These were very close to the Lionel patents and they either dropped the suit or gave Gilbert permission to use the patent. As far as the smoke, Lionel used smoke pellets in their units. Later they made conversions to liquid smoke. The original Gilbert smoke composition contains kerosent and cedar wood oil.  I have envelopes which read exactly that.  I have seen labeling marked Non Toxic.
>
>   Tom Seccia
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dale F. Smith <dalefsmith@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 2:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
>
>
>  
> I have no problem with what people want to pay for things. I have my
> limits and I know them. My only qualm with the listing is the
> repetition of that old urban legend of the Lionel vs. Gilbert lawsuit
> over the whistle. I am a lawyer and I looked for any evidence of any
> such lawsuit and could find none. If anyone has any solid evidence of
> this, I would love to hear about it. Gilbert had done similar whistles
> previously in the 3 rail line. Sometimes minor things can be changed
> to avoid a patent infringement, as in the electromagnet vs. solenoid in
> the reversing unit, which made it "unlike" the lionel E unit. Also, it
> was pretty tough to pack everything needed for that loco into a small S
> gauge tender, so there were clearly other reasons for abandoning it. I
> recently heard a 710 steam whistle controller in action and it produces
> a very good whistle sound, far superior to other AF electronic whistles.
>
> Dale Smith
>
> On 3/7/2012 8:01 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > That's exactly why I made that posting. Many
> > people in this group are operators, not collectors.
> > If you look at price guides for example I believe Greenberg's list the
> > 314Aw in Excellent Condition at $285.00. I've seen many in E with the
> > controller sell for $500.00. If someone is not going to pay $500 or
> > $800 for a 314AW, they're most likely not going to pay $200 or $300 to
> > get one. I know true collectors and they will pay a price for what
> > they want. When you go to a train show, the highly collectible items
> > usually sell more than book value. There are those who buy these
> > trains to resell these at a profit and thoe who buy to collect.
> >
> > American Flyer "S" Gauge is drying up and the collectors value is not
> > going up that much. Consider what you used to get for a Missouri
> > Pacific or a Union Pacific passenger set and today's prices after
> > Lionel made these.
> > Everyone is still entitled to their own opinion, but there is a reason
> > for many of these buys.
> > Tom Seccia
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...
> > <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 8:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > Marty’s engine is no where in the same condition as the one that sold
> > on eBay.
> >
> > I would say Marty’s engine is more of a runner and the other engine,
> > is more of a collector shelve item.
> >
> > We should not judge someone who felt he or she had to bid over 800 for
> > that engine by the way.
> >
> > It is his or her decision to do what they did. We have no clue as to
> > why they spent that kind of money, but they did.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > From: Sheila Seccia
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 6:39 PM
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
> >
> > Theres one on ebay right now. Buy it Now $299 from Martys Trains
> >
> > � Tom Seccia
> >
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> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68690 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: New Circus car photos
I have posted some new photos of custom circus cars. There are so many cars now, the streamline pacific won't pull them all. So I decorated a PA set. Lettering is simply the repro passenger car transfers except for the custom decal logo on the front. If I do another, I will move the lettering a little more to the rear. The tank on the service car is from a Bachmann 0n30 tank car with my custom decals. It carries the diesel fuel for the generator on the floodlight car. I also have two new flat cars. One has repro dry tranfers and the other a custom decal. Both have American Dimestore plastic car loads. Yes, I know they are too big, but they look so cool. I also created decals for a baggage car to compliment the Lionel/Flyer combine for Ringling Bros. Many of these cars were converted to carry the large animals as well as equipment. So now I have Lionel's combine, modified with figures in the windows and silver trucks, a pie car (diner), and baggage car. Since Lionel did not announce any add-ons, I will next do a coach or two. Also forthcoming is an open hopper to carry sawdust for the Big Top floor.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 68691 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Boxes
Hello all,
Is there anyone out there that may have some old original red/white boxes that they would like to part with. Parts of these boxes are also needed if you have any you would like to get rid of. Just let me know what you would like for them, trades are also a means of barter.

Thank you,
Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68692 From: rick gough Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: Maintaining and/or replacing knuckle couplers
I shoot them full of auto engine degreaser and work them a lot; then wash out with water; them blow dry; then lube with light oil. They can get notchy with wear and never get smooth again.
Gently pry the metal retaining sides out just enough to work the old coupler out; squeeze over new coupler evenly with pliers.
 
rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68693 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
It wouldn't surprise me if letters were exchanged over the 314AW
whistle, but I am certain it never went farther than that. Perhaps
Gilbert's response was that they were discontinuing production of the
314AW, with or without reasons stated. I wonder how big a production
run there was of these. I know there are two versions, one with the
diecast trailing truck and one with only the open drawbar wheel
assembly. I also wonder why they didn't try for a car containing the
whistle mechanism, like they did in their prewar line.

Dale

On 3/9/2012 12:16 PM, Herbert wrote:
>
> There was a patent dispute. I remember seeing a copy of theletter from
> The AC Gilbert Company to Lionel in answer to Lionel's letter
> regarding the patent on the dump car. Gilbert said they would change
> the way they produced the car (had to do with the hinge) if they would
> be allowed to sell the remaining inventory. Lionel replied that would
> be ok. The correspondence was very polite and no threats were made. I
> once asked Marshall Frisbie about the state of their relationship with
> Lionel, and he said they were "cordial."
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dale,
> > There never was a law suit filed. I go along what you say about
> fitting everything in the tender. Most likely a repairman's
> nightmare. Considering the cost of putting an addition armature in
> the unit and a separate whistle control the size of a small
> transformer my opinion Gilbert dropped it because of cost. Lionel
> had another issue for which they were going to sure Gilbert and that
> was the dump cars. These were very close to the Lionel patents and
> they either dropped the suit or gave Gilbert permission to use the
> patent. As far as the smoke, Lionel used smoke pellets in their units.
> Later they made conversions to liquid smoke. The original Gilbert
> smoke composition contains kerosent and cedar wood oil. I have
> envelopes which read exactly that. I have seen labeling marked Non
> Toxic.
> >
> > Tom Seccia
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Dale F. Smith <dalefsmith@...>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 2:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
> >
> >
> > Â
> > I have no problem with what people want to pay for things. I have my
> > limits and I know them. My only qualm with the listing is the
> > repetition of that old urban legend of the Lionel vs. Gilbert lawsuit
> > over the whistle. I am a lawyer and I looked for any evidence of any
> > such lawsuit and could find none. If anyone has any solid evidence of
> > this, I would love to hear about it. Gilbert had done similar whistles
> > previously in the 3 rail line. Sometimes minor things can be changed
> > to avoid a patent infringement, as in the electromagnet vs. solenoid in
> > the reversing unit, which made it "unlike" the lionel E unit. Also, it
> > was pretty tough to pack everything needed for that loco into a small S
> > gauge tender, so there were clearly other reasons for abandoning it. I
> > recently heard a 710 steam whistle controller in action and it produces
> > a very good whistle sound, far superior to other AF electronic whistles.
> >
> > Dale Smith
> >
> > On 3/7/2012 8:01 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > > That's exactly why I made that posting. Many
> > > people in this group are operators, not collectors.
> > > If you look at price guides for example I believe Greenberg's list the
> > > 314Aw in Excellent Condition at $285.00. I've seen many in E with the
> > > controller sell for $500.00. If someone is not going to pay $500 or
> > > $800 for a 314AW, they're most likely not going to pay $200 or $300 to
> > > get one. I know true collectors and they will pay a price for what
> > > they want. When you go to a train show, the highly collectible items
> > > usually sell more than book value. There are those who buy these
> > > trains to resell these at a profit and thoe who buy to collect.
> > >
> > > American Flyer "S" Gauge is drying up and the collectors value is not
> > > going up that much. Consider what you used to get for a Missouri
> > > Pacific or a Union Pacific passenger set and today's prices after
> > > Lionel made these.
> > > Everyone is still entitled to their own opinion, but there is a reason
> > > for many of these buys.
> > > Tom Seccia
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...
> > > <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>>
> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 8:15 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > MartyâEUR^(TM)s engine is no where in the same condition as the
> one that sold
> > > on eBay.
> > >
> > > I would say MartyâEUR^(TM)s engine is more of a runner and the
> other engine,
> > > is more of a collector shelve item.
> > >
> > > We should not judge someone who felt he or she had to bid over 800 for
> > > that engine by the way.
> > >
> > > It is his or her decision to do what they did. We have no clue as to
> > > why they spent that kind of money, but they did.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > From: Sheila Seccia
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 6:39 PM
> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
> > >
> > > Theres one on ebay right now. Buy it Now $299 from Martys Trains
> > >
> > > � Tom Seccia
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68694 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines
Good to know :)

Our club layout has only the wider radius track so I have not seen any of
the articulated engines operate on the 20” stuff.

Cheers :)

Roy Inman



From: R G <keyhole_corona@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 11:59:47 -0800 (PST)
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines






No theory about it, I have two of the new challengers and a Big Boy and all
of them can run on 20" radius Flyer track. However like you stated they look
much better on 27" radius or larger track.

________________________________
From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> >
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines


 
The most recent Lionel Flyer catalog says minimum radius 36² so in theory
the 2-8-8-2¹s will run on original Gilbert radius track (which depending
upon how you measure, is either 38² diameter or 40² diameter) or the newer
Lionel tubular (which is not shown in the new catalog and I presume it has
been discontinued). But as with any articulated engine, the wider the radius
the better. I would guess that his track is actually from the Œ50¹s or Œ60¹s
because I think there was no S tubular being manufactured after Gilbert died
in 1966. That is until K-Line came along with some in the Œ90¹s. They also
made 54² diameter curves, very nice track.

Roy Inman

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...
<mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> >
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> >
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 11:34:00 -0500
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> >
Cc: "P. J. Heck" <heckinohio@... <mailto:heckinohio%40att.net> >
Subject: [S-Trains] New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines

The below is a question from a O gauge friend about the Lionel engine.

I am not familiar with these engines.

I am hoping someone might be able to answer his question, I think these
engines will do okay on the old track, as I believe Lionel is now selling
this track today, whether the old style or the new road bed style.

Thanks.

Mike

We had a recent semi-exchange about Flyionel new 2-8-8-2 steamer. One thing
I failed to ask if it is compatible with the radius of the '70s-'70s track I
am using. If you don't know, can you refer me to someone who may be up on
this thing???

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68695 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: March "Stumpy's Station" posted
Check out Chuck Harrington's "My Flyer Trains" website (myflyertrains.org) to read the March "Stumpy's Station" article. This one is about model train "Illusionists."
You'll find a photo of an "Enginehouse Scene" shot on my first S display layout. The loco is a Putt Trains 2-6-0, the enginehouse is a kitbashed MTH "Grainery," the vehicles are kit bashed Matchbox and other toy cars, and steam effects were added as my first attempt at Photoshop.
In upcoming "Stumpy's Station" articles I plan to show more photos.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68696 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Converting Bachmann On30
Hi All,

I know several of you have converted Bachmann On30 to S. Has anyone written instructions to show how they did it? I'd like to try my hand at converting but don't want to re-invent the wheel.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68697 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: American Flier (sic)
I went through part of my stash of original rubber roadbed and, out of about 100 pieces, I found three straights with "Flyer" spelled as "Flier". This is obviously a production error and some got out of the factory with the spelling errors before the mistake was caught and the dies were corrected. Knowing the frugality of the A.C. Gilbert Co., I'm sure they sold those pieces that were already manufactured until they ran out of the production mistake.

Bruce



From: Roy Inman
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:29 AM
To: S-trains
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flier (sic)



It is not common. It is incorrect.
Roy

From: ron190sl <rontrain@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:21:21 +0000
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] American Flier (sic)

Have uploaded a photo, to the picture section, of a piece of AF 727 Roadbed.
Note the spelling of "Flyer". Is this common?

Ron M

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68698 From: Joseph H Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Re: New 2-8-8-2 Lioneionel Engines
One correction. K-Line came out with their repro AF track in the eary 80s. They were then known as Aurotech and were primarily resellers of Lionel. Their first 2 products were AF track and complete door sets for Lionel milk cars. They later morphed into K-Line and were still owned by Maury Klein.

Joe

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> The most recent Lionel Flyer catalog says minimum radius 36² so in theory
> the 2-8-8-2¹s will run on original Gilbert radius track (which depending
> upon how you measure, is either 38² diameter or 40² diameter) or the newer
> Lionel tubular (which is not shown in the new catalog and I presume it has
> been discontinued). But as with any articulated engine, the wider the radius
> the better. I would guess that his track is actually from the Œ50¹s or Œ60¹s
> because I think there was no S tubular being manufactured after Gilbert died
> in 1966. That is until K-Line came along with some in the Œ90¹s. They also
> made 54² diameter curves, very nice track.
>
> Roy Inman
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68699 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Re: Curve radius questions
Exactly!! That is why, even though I'm a big N&W fan I will not buy this one. My widest radius is SHS 25" and it does meet the wall on two sides of the layout. One other side intertwines between some trestles. That monster will never be able to run on my layout, and I don't put things on the shelf to look at, especially at $1000. Even my U33 has difficulty on these curves. So I'll stick to AM and SHS smaller diesels and steam that I have custom decorated for N&W, Virginian, and Southern. I still have a SMMW GE 44 ton that will become my Virginian #6 thanks to decals from Great Decals. By the way, I just got an email from Bill, he will be at NASG in Tenn.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Okay, the Flyonel catalog says that the announced 2-8-8-2 will go around "standard" Flyer curve radius. Does the Flyonel Challenger or Big Boy? It should be pretty similar.
> However, because you CAN do a thing doesn't mean you should. I would advise starting with a larger radius for reliable operation. This is a "rule" that is universal across all scales and gauges of model railroading.
> Back in the 70's in HO scale, Rivarossi advertised that their "exact scale" models of the Big Boy, Y-6b, and other articulated engines would go around 22" radius curves, while the standard curve of the era was 18" radius. These were large engines, but they would actually struggle around 22" most of the time. We found 24" to be better, and 36" best. At 36" the overhang of the pilot and cab didn't wipe out all the trackside structures anymore either.
> An old friend bought a new Lionel O three rail articulated loco a few years ago. Because of the placement of the track on the back of his layout, he ran it at half throttle right into the wall on the curve. It didn't do the plaster oir the pilot any good at all.
> My own 1949 Gilbert 4-8-4 is not real happy on "standard" Gilbert radius, but it will go around it ...carefully. Unfortunately, the overhang on that radius causes the pilot and cab to plow away anything within ten scale feet of the roadbed.
> I would suggest that big engines deserve big curves. Yes, I understand that most new Flyonel purchased today either never come out of the box or are proudly displayed on shelves. But there are also folks who want to run their new trains, and beside the minimum curve radius, there are other things to consider.
> Stumpy in Ahia...been there, done that.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68700 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Re: Converting Bachmann On30
I have done several cars. They are easy. Simply remove the HO trucks and cut away the HO knuckle coupler. You have to either trim down the bolster pin a little or open up the hole a little on the s gauge truck. Either works. I use SHS trucks and couplers and mount then the same you would on any car. I went to a local "real" hardware store (not Lowes or Home Despot) and found screws to mount them with. I have never converted an engine. I'm not skilled enough. But I believe others are.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I know several of you have converted Bachmann On30 to S. Has anyone written instructions to show how they did it? I'd like to try my hand at converting but don't want to re-invent the wheel.
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68701 From: Herbert Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Re: American Flier (sic)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the roadbed was produced for
Gilbert by an outside contractor.
Herb W

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> wrote:
>
>
> I went through part of my stash of original rubber roadbed and, out of about 100 pieces, I found three straights with "Flyer" spelled as "Flier". This is obviously a production error and some got out of the factory with the spelling errors before the mistake was caught and the dies were corrected. Knowing the frugality of the A.C. Gilbert Co., I'm sure they sold those pieces that were already manufactured until they ran out of the production mistake.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: Roy Inman
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:29 AM
> To: S-trains
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flier (sic)
>
>
>
> It is not common. It is incorrect.
> Roy
>
> From: ron190sl <rontrain@...>
> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:21:21 +0000
> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] American Flier (sic)
>
> Have uploaded a photo, to the picture section, of a piece of AF 727 Roadbed.
> Note the spelling of "Flyer". Is this common?
>
> Ron M
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68702 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Re: Converting Bachmann On30
I've always liked THIS one �. cuz Steve mentions MY name! lol
http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html

Rick Evans



On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:17 PM, bull_gator_1 wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I know several of you have converted Bachmann On30 to S. Has anyone written instructions to show how they did it? I'd like to try my hand at converting but don't want to re-invent the wheel.
>
> David
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68703 From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Re: American Flier (sic)
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> wrote:
>
>
> I went through part of my stash of original rubber roadbed and, out of about 100 pieces, I found three straights with "Flyer" spelled as "Flier". This is obviously a production error and some got out of the factory with the spelling errors before the mistake was caught and the dies were corrected. Knowing the frugality of the A.C. Gilbert Co., I'm sure they sold those pieces that were already manufactured until they ran out of the production mistake.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: Roy Inman
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:29 AM
> To: S-trains
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flier (sic)
>
>
>
> It is not common. It is incorrect.
> Roy
>
> From: ron190sl <rontrain@...>
> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:21:21 +0000
> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] American Flier (sic)
>
> Have uploaded a photo, to the picture section, of a piece of AF 727 Roadbed.
> Note the spelling of "Flyer". Is this common?
>
> Ron M
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> i want to buy a 2 8 8 2......irun everything on flyer equipment which one will run best.....what sounds will i get...i don/t have any dcc or any of that other stuff
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68704 From: Dale Reynolds Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Re: American Flier (sic)
as i understand it, all roadbed was made be rubber molding firms in the new haven area, none by gilbert. there were many runs as we can see by the differences in various pieces. dale

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> wrote:
>
>
> I went through part of my stash of original rubber roadbed and, out of about 100 pieces, I found three straights with "Flyer" spelled as "Flier". This is obviously a production error and some got out of the factory with the spelling errors before the mistake was caught and the dies were corrected. Knowing the frugality of the A.C. Gilbert Co., I'm sure they sold those pieces that were already manufactured until they ran out of the production mistake.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: Roy Inman
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:29 AM
> To: S-trains
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flier (sic)
>
>
>
> It is not common. It is incorrect.
> Roy
>
> From: ron190sl <rontrain@...>
> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:21:21 +0000
> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] American Flier (sic)
>
> Have uploaded a photo, to the picture section, of a piece of AF 727 Roadbed.
> Note the spelling of "Flyer". Is this common?
>
> Ron M
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68705 From: David Highfield Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Children handling trains
I place a couple of old box cars on the edges of the layout
specifically for the grandkids to handle. And I have a number of
buttons they can push to provide action. I also let them try their
hand at running the trains. All of this helps to keep their hands off
the tracks and trains.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68706 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Re: American Flier (sic)
You are correct. But, I am sure that the roadbed was delivered to the Gilbert plant and distributed from Gilbert to retailers. I would assume that Gilbert caught the mistake at the factory and the dies were then changed by the manufacturer.

Bruce



From: Herbert
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 4:10 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Flier (sic)



Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the roadbed was produced for
Gilbert by an outside contractor.
Herb W

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> wrote:
>
>
> I went through part of my stash of original rubber roadbed and, out of about 100 pieces, I found three straights with "Flyer" spelled as "Flier". This is obviously a production error and some got out of the factory with the spelling errors before the mistake was caught and the dies were corrected. Knowing the frugality of the A.C. Gilbert Co., I'm sure they sold those pieces that were already manufactured until they ran out of the production mistake.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: Roy Inman
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:29 AM
> To: S-trains
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flier (sic)
>
>
>
> It is not common. It is incorrect.
> Roy
>
> From: ron190sl <rontrain@...>
> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:21:21 +0000
> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] American Flier (sic)
>
> Have uploaded a photo, to the picture section, of a piece of AF 727 Roadbed.
> Note the spelling of "Flyer". Is this common?
>
> Ron M
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68707 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Train Set
Linda and I where walking around downtown Frederick, MD and went into a antique mall.

We saw this tin plate train set, the engine and cars, made from tin, with a B&O diesel engine.

The train looked like the size of S, but the weird thing, the track was so American Flyer looking, the rails, the ties, the pins. But the ties where not painted.

I think it was a battery operated train.

I did not see any maker name on the price tag, for 135.00, as usually antique shoppes are not the place to buy something unless you really want it and it was locked in a glass case, so I did not further looking into this.

I think the caboose was a Santa Fe with 2 other cars.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68708 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/11/2012, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68709 From: Ben Date: 3/10/2012
Subject: Circus photo album posted
Fellow S Gaugers:

I worked today to create a photo album of my circus car loads including kitbashed versions of a canvas truck, a canvas/pole truck, a stake and chain truck, a Human Cannonball truck, a water truck, and other one of a kind creations as well as pictures of ten variations of the coveted ACME carousel truck.

I hope you will enjoy looking at the album. It is titled "Circus loads by Ben."

May all your days be circus days...

Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 68710 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Re: Train Set
What you describe makes me think this was one of the rare Japanese sets made for the "5 & 10" stores in the early fifties. Terry Putt used to collect these and started selling a few off about five years ago.
I'm certainly no expert on their value, but Terry never seemed to have shortage of customers when he put them out on his table at the Spree or other shows.
As with a lot of collectable trains they seemed higher priced than what they should be worth, but these are very unique, and Terry had the only complete sets I've ever seen.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68711 From: David Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: LBR Products Update (Advertisement)
Good Morning All,

It looks like we will have a proto type for the new boiler front to
kit bash your #322's into a DREYFUSS style streamliner to view this week
some time. They will probably not be in production until next month
though.

By request we will be adding photos of our NEW SINGLE AXLE
QUARTERING TOOL to our album here. These will be more in depth photos
as we have re-designed the original one plus we have added a horizontal
gageing block so now the wheel cannot be over driven when using this new
part. All in all this NEW TOOL can be used by all skill level hobbiests
with the greatest accuracy of any unit of this nature on the market at
present. When using this tool you can also install axles in your drive
wheels with little or no effort making this unit a two-for-one usage
item.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68712 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Re: Train Set
There is always at least one set on eBay at any one time - they are common - not
rare. Alistair

On Sun 11/03/12 10:18 PM , "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... sent:
> What you describe makes me think this was one of the rare Japanese
> sets made for the "5 & 10" stores in the early fifties. Terry Putt
> used to collect these and started selling a few off about five years
> ago.
> I'm certainly no expert on their value, but Terry never seemed to
> have shortage of customers when he put them out on his table at the
> Spree or other shows.
> As with a lot of collectable trains they seemed higher priced than
> what they should be worth, but these are very unique, and Terry had
> the only complete sets I've ever seen.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68713 From: Dave Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: NEW PHOTOS OF SINGLE AXLE QUARTERING TOOL (Ad)
As promised we have added more in depth photos of our NEW SINGLE AXLE
QUARTERING TOOL (second generation) that gives a lot clearer idea of
what it looks like and how it operates. Go to

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/list
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/list>

Here at our album

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68714 From: Ben Perry Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Re: Circus photo album posted
ALONE IN ITS GREATNESS

Ben Perry




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68715 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Converting Bachmann On30 - Complete
Hi All,

Thanks to Rick and Steve I've completed converting a Bachmann On30 billboard reefer to S. Following the step by step instructions in the link below the only changes I had to make were using a #19 drill bit instead of a 5/32" bit. I also only needed one #6 washer between the truck and attaching screw instead of the two washers that Steve used. I also had to drill out the #6 washers with the #19 bit to get them to fit over the bolster. All told the change over took about 30 minutes with most of the time used to dremel off the coupler boxes. I'll post some photos later.

David


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>
> I've always liked THIS one …. cuz Steve mentions MY name! lol
> http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html
>
> Rick Evans
>
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:17 PM, bull_gator_1 wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I know several of you have converted Bachmann On30 to S. Has anyone written instructions to show how they did it? I'd like to try my hand at converting but don't want to re-invent the wheel.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68716 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Re: Converting Bachmann On30 - Complete
Cool David �.. it's been a while since I did mine �. so I'm sure I did it somewhat differently then Steve did.
http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/On30-Stuff

Rick


On Mar 11, 2012, at 10:23 AM, bull_gator_1 wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Thanks to Rick and Steve I've completed converting a Bachmann On30 billboard reefer to S. Following the step by step instructions in the link below the only changes I had to make were using a #19 drill bit instead of a 5/32" bit. I also only needed one #6 washer between the truck and attaching screw instead of the two washers that Steve used. I also had to drill out the #6 washers with the #19 bit to get them to fit over the bolster. All told the change over took about 30 minutes with most of the time used to dremel off the coupler boxes. I'll post some photos later.
>
> David
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:
> >
> > I've always liked THIS one �. cuz Steve mentions MY name! lol
> > http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html
> >
> > Rick Evans
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:17 PM, bull_gator_1 wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I know several of you have converted Bachmann On30 to S. Has anyone written instructions to show how they did it? I'd like to try my hand at converting but don't want to re-invent the wheel.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68717 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: On30 Conversion Photos
Hi All,

I posted several photos of the conversion of the Bachmann On30 reefer to S here:

http://tinyurl.com/735wzmr

Visit my other photos while you're in the neighborhood!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68718 From: Charles Malinowski Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Obituary for Jerry Schnur
Friends:
Here is the official Obituary for Jerry Schnur, S Scale pioneer and Life Member of the National Model Railroad Association.
 
Charles Malinowski
Carmel, Indiana
bmry1905@...

Jerome "Jerry" Caughren Schnur
88, passed away Thursday, March 8, 2012 surrounded by his family. Born December 30, 1923, in Evanston, IL, he was the son of the late Burton and Pearl Schnur. His daughter, Ann Schnur and two brothers also preceded him in death.
Jerry was founder of Jerome Schnur and Associates Incorporated and was a member of 1st Congregational Church.
Survivors include his wife, Betty (Holman) Schnur; his children, Rusty Schnur Shelton (John), Julia Schnur-Laughlin (Rick), David Schnur (Sue), Daniel Schnur (Julie), Lee Anderson (Lori), Tom Anderson (Jennifer), John Anderson (Laurie), Liz Anderson (Nick), Ann's husband, David; 19 grandchildren and six great-grandchildren.
A memorial service will be on Saturday, March 17, 2012 at 3:00 p.m., with calling one hour prior in the 1st Congregational Church at 7171 N. Pennsylvania Street.
In lieu of flowers, memorial contributions may be made to Second Helpings, Inc. or to 1st Congregational Church.
You may visit http://www.leppertmortuary.com where you may sign the guestbook or share a memory with the family.
Arrangements entrusted to Leppert Mortuary, Nora Chapel .
http://www.secondhelpings.org/ 
http://www.fcindy.org/ 
Published in the The Indianapolis Star on March 11, 2012

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68719 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/11/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday March 11, 2012
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
Copyright © 2012  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68720 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Re: New Address for S Gauge Forum
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer club

Thanks Brady for reminding everyone.
Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: Brady Burdge <brady@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 6:10 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] New Address for S Gauge Forum



 



The OGR Forum has a new format, the S Gauge section is now located at

http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForum/forum/2415514336485215

Brady




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68721 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Re: Train Set
As I said, I'm no expert, just going by the number of people around the table where these were being sold and prices asked. And what Mike saw may not even be the Japanese sets.
Either way, compared to Flyer, they are typiocal tinplate crude to my eyes and certainly overpriced. But collectors bought them up everytime they appeared.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68722 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Re: Train Set(Putt Trains)
Speaking of Mr. Putt,
 
What is his current status as far as making trains? I have a switcher set he had made early on, great little loco.

--- On Sun, 3/11/12, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Train Set
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 11, 2012, 8:48 AM



 



What you describe makes me think this was one of the rare Japanese sets made for the "5 & 10" stores in the early fifties. Terry Putt used to collect these and started selling a few off about five years ago.
I'm certainly no expert on their value, but Terry never seemed to have shortage of customers when he put them out on his table at the Spree or other shows.
As with a lot of collectable trains they seemed higher priced than what they should be worth, but these are very unique, and Terry had the only complete sets I've ever seen.
Stumpy in Ahia








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Group: S-Trains Message: 68723 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: Train Set
Not lately Stumpy. I bought two sets a few years ago for 50 and 60 bucks and take
it from a number of us they are DEFINATELY Sakai and Michael has identified the
one he saw as being the same as pictured. The East Germans did turn out a prairie
type loco (2-6-0) and some good double deck passenger cars as well as a scarce
Pacific in that S and the Czechoslovakians also turned out a very nice loco so
Gilbert was not the only one that could do it. Alistair
On Mon 12/03/12 9:55 AM , "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... sent:
> As I said, I'm no expert, just going by the number of people around
> the table where these were being sold and prices asked. And what Mike
> saw may not even be the Japanese sets.
> Either way, compared to Flyer, they are typiocal tinplate crude to
> my eyes and certainly overpriced. But collectors bought them up
> everytime they appeared.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68724 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: Train Set
Alistair,

Are these S gauge? All I see on eBay are either HO or O.

David



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote:
>
> Not lately Stumpy. I bought two sets a few years ago for 50 and 60 bucks and take
> it from a number of us they are DEFINATELY Sakai and Michael has identified the
> one he saw as being the same as pictured. The East Germans did turn out a prairie
> type loco (2-6-0) and some good double deck passenger cars as well as a scarce
> Pacific in that S and the Czechoslovakians also turned out a very nice loco so
> Gilbert was not the only one that could do it. Alistair
> On Mon 12/03/12 9:55 AM , "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... sent:
> > As I said, I'm no expert, just going by the number of people around
> > the table where these were being sold and prices asked. And what Mike
> > saw may not even be the Japanese sets.
> > Either way, compared to Flyer, they are typiocal tinplate crude to
> > my eyes and certainly overpriced. But collectors bought them up
> > everytime they appeared.
> > Stumpy in Ahia
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68725 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: Train Set
The better European ones now rarely come up. The German collectors snapped up
what was around and by the time I gave up collecting them they were beginning to
get expensive. Stadtilm was one of the major makes. Alistair

On Tue 13/03/12 1:22 AM , "bull_gator_1" bull_gator_1@... sent:
> Alistair,
> Are these S gauge? All I see on eBay are either HO or O.
> David
> --- In , alizoo@... wrote:
> >
> > Not lately Stumpy. I bought two sets a few years ago for 50 and 60
> bucks and take
> > it from a number of us they are DEFINATELY Sakai and Michael has
> identified the
> > one he saw as being the same as pictured. The East Germans did
> turn out a prairie
> > type loco (2-6-0) and some good double deck passenger cars as well
> as a scarce
> > Pacific in that S and the Czechoslovakians also turned out a very
> nice loco so
> > Gilbert was not the only one that could do it. Alistair
> > On Mon 12/03/12 9:55 AM , "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... sent:
> > > As I said, I'm no expert, just going by the number of people
> around
> > > the table where these were being sold and prices asked. And what
> Mike
> > > saw may not even be the Japanese sets.
> > > Either way, compared to Flyer, they are typiocal tinplate crude
> to
> > > my eyes and certainly overpriced. But collectors bought them up
> > > everytime they appeared.
> > > Stumpy in Ahia
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68726 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: Train Set
Once again, I'm no expert, especially battery trains made for the five and ten market years ago. But I did guess correctly that the train in question is the Japanese type? The differnce is that they are not as rare as I thought, and the price is cheaper.
Actually, that's good! At least SOMETHING in S gauge is getting cheaper!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68727 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Putt Trains
Perhaps, Terry will post an update as I know he at least used to check in here from time to time. The last time I talked with him for any length of time was the Midwest Narrow Gauge Show. At that time he had no plans to build anymore trains for the immediate future.
Terry runs his own machine shop and does work for a larger firm. He is buried in that work currently. As he says, "You have to take all the work you can get these days."
He also has had problems in the past getting parts cast for the Rex steamers as too many need to be ordered now to make it financially feasable. We talked about a new Trolley he has designed and perhaps a new four wheel switcher. I had cast some resin parts to dress up the switcher years ago and the original design might change to be more like them. He certainly hasn't completely given up on the train business.
I'll be at a show in his area in a couple of weeks and see if anything has changed, if he doesn't post.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68728 From: Richard Reichard Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Rail Bending & Switch Building
To All Those Interested:

I am new to the Group but not trains. I have over a few years created Switch Building Manuals for
O27, O31, AF-S, Super-O and Standard gauges, including a 5-rail O42/Standard Switch Manual.
More specifically I have 3 Manuals for AF-S track. One manual is devoted to single crossvers (15°,
22½°, 30°, 45°, 60° & 75°). Another manual contains Conventional(30°) LH & RH switches, 15° LH &
RH switches, a 60° wye, a Terminal or Yard switch set(1 to 4) and a switch machine. The 3rd Manual is
15° double crossover. These manuals come with a recommended tool list and material list, detailed
instructions, working templates are fully dimensioned with some components detailed.
I also make a RAIL BENDER for AF-S rail for the layout builder. Any radius is now possible.
The disadvantage is you must diassemble the track for the rail, but this allows cleaning and repairing
of the rails and ties.Curved track can now be straightened or recurved and straight track can be curved.
Some trimming of the rails is necessary when curving or recurving the rails
A Manual is supplied with the bender. It contains full instructions that include track templates and dimensions
for conventional AF-S track as well as diameters of 46, 54, 62, 70 & 78. Or you can create your own template(s).
Please contact me off list for any questions.
I will be at the York Meet in Silver Hall, Table Z-9.

Dick Reichard (TCA # 76-9747)(TTOS # 19315)
326 West Ensley Ave.
Auburn, IN 46706
260-925-2320



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68729 From: Jonnyspeed Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Facebook S group
Hello all,

I just wanted to offer a friendly reminder (kinda rare these days in S huh) that if you use facebook we have an S group that you are welcome to join. It started out as mostly S scale, but all S gaugers are welcome. We have been discussing a lot of the new Lionel AF announcements recently so drop by and say hello.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/Sscale

Regards,
Jonathan
Group: S-Trains Message: 68730 From: johntech Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: Rail Bending & Switch Building
Do you have a price on this? Pictures?


----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Reichard
To: s-trains@...
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:48 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Rail Bending & Switch Building



To All Those Interested:

I am new to the Group but not trains. I have over a few years created Switch Building Manuals for
O27, O31, AF-S, Super-O and Standard gauges, including a 5-rail O42/Standard Switch Manual.
More specifically I have 3 Manuals for AF-S track. One manual is devoted to single crossvers (15°,
22½°, 30°, 45°, 60° & 75°). Another manual contains Conventional(30°) LH & RH switches, 15° LH &
RH switches, a 60° wye, a Terminal or Yard switch set(1 to 4) and a switch machine. The 3rd Manual is
15° double crossover. These manuals come with a recommended tool list and material list, detailed
instructions, working templates are fully dimensioned with some components detailed.
I also make a RAIL BENDER for AF-S rail for the layout builder. Any radius is now possible.
The disadvantage is you must diassemble the track for the rail, but this allows cleaning and repairing
of the rails and ties.Curved track can now be straightened or recurved and straight track can be curved.
Some trimming of the rails is necessary when curving or recurving the rails
A Manual is supplied with the bender. It contains full instructions that include track templates and dimensions
for conventional AF-S track as well as diameters of 46, 54, 62, 70 & 78. Or you can create your own template(s).
Please contact me off list for any questions.
I will be at the York Meet in Silver Hall, Table Z-9.

Dick Reichard (TCA # 76-9747)(TTOS # 19315)
326 West Ensley Ave.
Auburn, IN 46706
260-925-2320

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68731 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Tom, Here are my sources on the smoke fluid. The main one is a Gilbert
booklet designed to help salesmen sell trains. It is a typed booklet
from 1959 and doesn't have a "D" number, but I believe it is from the
Gilbert factory. This is a quote of the statement made on this subject:

"The smoke fluid, which is a scented mineral oil and harmless in
every respect, is inserted into the tube in the smoke stack and runs
down to a reservoir, from where it is drawn up by a fibreglass wick
which has a heating element wound around it."


I assume your envelopes are from Gilbert smoke fluid. I suppose it is
possible that the formula was different in the original formulation than
what was used in 1959. I know it is possible to use kerosene as a
smoke fluid, as I understand that is what the Seuthe smoke fluid if made
of, but I would think it would require a different heating process to
produce a lower temperature, as the flash point of kerosene is pretty low.

Take a look at this article. http://toytrains1.com/lamp_oil.htm The guy
who wrote this article seems to know the technical details of these
materials pretty well. Maybe the problem is with the differing
definitions of the word paraffin, which means mineral oil by U.S. usage
but kerosene by international usage.

Dale Smith

On 3/8/2012 10:30 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote:
>
> Hi Dale,
> � ... The original Gilbert smoke composition contains kerosent and
> cedar wood oil. I have envelopes which read exactly that. I have
> seen labeling marked Non Toxic.
>
> � Tom Seccia
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68732 From: Timboy Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: Rail Bending & Switch Building
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Reichard" <RLRAUB@...> wrote:
>
> To All Those Interested:
>
> I am new to the Group but not trains. I have over a few years created Switch Building Manuals for
> O27, O31, AF-S, Super-O and Standard gauges, including a 5-rail O42/Standard Switch Manual.
> More specifically I have 3 Manuals for AF-S track. One manual is devoted to single crossvers (15°,
> 22½°, 30°, 45°, 60° & 75°). Another manual contains Conventional(30°) LH & RH switches, 15° LH &
> RH switches, a 60° wye, a Terminal or Yard switch set(1 to 4) and a switch machine. The 3rd Manual is
> 15° double crossover. These manuals come with a recommended tool list and material list, detailed
> instructions, working templates are fully dimensioned with some components detailed.
> I also make a RAIL BENDER for AF-S rail for the layout builder. Any radius is now possible.
> The disadvantage is you must diassemble the track for the rail, but this allows cleaning and repairing
> of the rails and ties.Curved track can now be straightened or recurved and straight track can be curved.
> Some trimming of the rails is necessary when curving or recurving the rails
> A Manual is supplied with the bender. It contains full instructions that include track templates and dimensions
> for conventional AF-S track as well as diameters of 46, 54, 62, 70 & 78. Or you can create your own template(s).
> Please contact me off list for any questions.
> I will be at the York Meet in Silver Hall, Table Z-9.
>
> Dick Reichard (TCA # 76-9747)(TTOS # 19315)
> 326 West Ensley Ave.
> Auburn, IN 46706
> 260-925-2320
>
> Richard,

About 5 years ago I bought your manual on switch building using vintage Flyer rails. I found it easy to use and highly accurate. I only wish I had your rail bender a couple years ago. Best of luck to you and thank you for your contribution to our hobby.

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68733 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Hi Dale,
� It is possible that there were two different m,ixtures for the smoke fluid.  I will find one of the envelopes where it is marked "Contains Cedar Wood Oil and Kerosene"  All of the parts people that I know used this formula. Bob Board's "Supersmoke" mixture is Non-Toxic. Maybe he uses the mixture with mineral oil. Let me see if I can get you a photo.
Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: Dale F. Smith <dalefsmith@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW


 
Tom, Here are my sources on the smoke fluid. The main one is a Gilbert
booklet designed to help salesmen sell trains. It is a typed booklet
from 1959 and doesn't have a "D" number, but I believe it is from the
Gilbert factory. This is a quote of the statement made on this subject:

"The smoke fluid, which is a scented mineral oil and harmless in
every respect, is inserted into the tube in the smoke stack and runs
down to a reservoir, from where it is drawn up by a fibreglass wick
which has a heating element wound around it."

I assume your envelopes are from Gilbert smoke fluid. I suppose it is
possible that the formula was different in the original formulation than
what was used in 1959. I know it is possible to use kerosene as a
smoke fluid, as I understand that is what the Seuthe smoke fluid if made
of, but I would think it would require a different heating process to
produce a lower temperature, as the flash point of kerosene is pretty low.

Take a look at this article. http://toytrains1.com/lamp_oil.htm The guy
who wrote this article seems to know the technical details of these
materials pretty well. Maybe the problem is with the differing
definitions of the word paraffin, which means mineral oil by U.S. usage
but kerosene by international usage.

Dale Smith

On 3/8/2012 10:30 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote:
>
> Hi Dale,
> � ... The original Gilbert smoke composition contains kerosent and
> cedar wood oil. I have envelopes which read exactly that. I have
> seen labeling marked Non Toxic.
>
> � Tom Seccia
>
> ________________________________ ~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~ end group
> email -->
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68734 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
The smoke fluid that came in the bottles, had kerosene as it's carrier
fluid for the cedar oil. Mike


In a message dated 3/12/2012 2:59:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dalefsmith@... writes:




Tom, Here are my sources on the smoke fluid. The main one is a Gilbert
booklet designed to help salesmen sell trains. It is a typed booklet
from 1959 and doesn't have a "D" number, but I believe it is from the
Gilbert factory. This is a quote of the statement made on this subject:

"The smoke fluid, which is a scented mineral oil and harmless in
every respect, is inserted into the tube in the smoke stack and runs
down to a reservoir, from where it is drawn up by a fibreglass wick
which has a heating element wound around it."

I assume your envelopes are from Gilbert smoke fluid. I suppose it is
possible that the formula was different in the original formulation than
what was used in 1959. I know it is possible to use kerosene as a
smoke fluid, as I understand that is what the Seuthe smoke fluid if made
of, but I would think it would require a different heating process to
produce a lower temperature, as the flash point of kerosene is pretty low.

Take a look at this article. _http://toytrains1.com/lamp_oil.htm_
(http://toytrains1.com/lamp_oil.htm) The guy
who wrote this article seems to know the technical details of these
materials pretty well. Maybe the problem is with the differing
definitions of the word paraffin, which means mineral oil by U.S. usage
but kerosene by international usage.

Dale Smith

On 3/8/2012 10:30 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote:
>
> Hi Dale,
> � ... The original Gilbert smoke composition contains kerosent and
> cedar wood oil. I have envelopes which read exactly that. I have
> seen labeling marked Non Toxic.
>
> � Tom Seccia
>
> ________________________________ ~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~ end group
> email -->
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68735 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
This kind of makes me wonder about the dire predictions made regarding
the use of kerosene in the chemist's article I cited. If Gilbert had
such fluid, did any fires or worse yet, explosions, occur? I also
wonder if the 5 wire system was a way of making the mineral oil formula
work better. Another question is about the resistance of the wire
element in the SIT units, which were powered by full track voltage?
Presumably as earlier units, they used the kerosene based formula. In
any case, I think I will probably stick with a mineral oil based fluid.

Dale

On 3/12/2012 4:10 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote:
>
> Hi Dale,
> � It is possible that there were two different m,ixtures for the smoke
> fluid. I will find one of the envelopes where it is marked "Contains
> Cedar Wood Oil and Kerosene" All of the parts people that I know used
> this formula. Bob Board's "Supersmoke" mixture is Non-Toxic. Maybe he
> uses the mixture with mineral oil. Let me see if I can get you a photo.
> Tom Seccia
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dale F. Smith <dalefsmith@... <mailto:dalefsmith%40att.net>>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 5:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW
>
>
>
> Tom, Here are my sources on the smoke fluid. The main one is a Gilbert
> booklet designed to help salesmen sell trains. It is a typed booklet
> from 1959 and doesn't have a "D" number, but I believe it is from the
> Gilbert factory. This is a quote of the statement made on this subject:
>
> "The smoke fluid, which is a scented mineral oil and harmless in
> every respect, is inserted into the tube in the smoke stack and runs
> down to a reservoir, from where it is drawn up by a fibreglass wick
> which has a heating element wound around it."
>
> I assume your envelopes are from Gilbert smoke fluid. I suppose it is
> possible that the formula was different in the original formulation than
> what was used in 1959. I know it is possible to use kerosene as a
> smoke fluid, as I understand that is what the Seuthe smoke fluid if made
> of, but I would think it would require a different heating process to
> produce a lower temperature, as the flash point of kerosene is pretty low.
>
> Take a look at this article. http://toytrains1.com/lamp_oil.htm The guy
> who wrote this article seems to know the technical details of these
> materials pretty well. Maybe the problem is with the differing
> definitions of the word paraffin, which means mineral oil by U.S. usage
> but kerosene by international usage.
>
> Dale Smith
>
> On 3/8/2012 10:30 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dale,
> > � ... The original Gilbert smoke composition contains kerosent and
> > cedar wood oil. I have envelopes which read exactly that. I have
> > seen labeling marked Non Toxic.
> >
> > � Tom Seccia
> >
> > ________________________________ ~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~ end group
> > email -->
> >
> >
>
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>
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>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68736 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: About smoke fluid.
I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley smoke fluid
that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It is the "S"
formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in some?
Steve
SnS Trains

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68737 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including coal,
diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in the
solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb of
the eye dropper top.

Dale

On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, boss31@... wrote:
>
> I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley smoke
> fluid
> that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It is
> the "S"
> formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in some?
> Steve
> SnS Trains
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68738 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: The adventure of scented smoke fluid
Several years ago the hobby shop I worked at ordered a case of 24 bottles of this stuff from MTH. It was a new product then. There were all sorts of good sounding names, Evergreen, Bacon and Eggs, Apple Pie, Coal Smoke, and so on. During idle time at the shop we tried each of the eight scents in a "test loco" on the store's O guage three rail layout.
Coal Smoke did not smell anything like coal smoke (which is probably a good thing indoors) but like a chemical plant. The Apple Pie was indescribable and would gag you for 15 minutes after the engine ran. Oil Smoke smelled right, but was gaggingly strong. The Evergreen smelled like someone's cheap deodorant...which had failed. Bacon and Eggs brought about the most "creative" descriptions from customers such as my favorite; "Picture a pig being burned in sewer."
A few of the scents were okay, but some were so bad we had to air out the shop! We even got complaints from the stores next door and the Beauty Shop three doors down!
The idea of scented smoke was a good one (especially to women who didn't like the smoke smell anyway.) However, customers were...ah...disappointed. Some even demanded their money back! When we closed the shop up seven years later, we still had half the case left.
I understand that scented smoke fluid has gotten better, but I have not tried it due to those experiences at the shop. (My wife won't let me anyway as she was there for some of the "tests.") I may be prejudiced, but old Flyer and Anormal1 remain my favorites.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68739 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that because I
had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"



In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
dalefsmith@... writes:




Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including coal,
diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in the
solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb of
the eye dropper top.

Dale

On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) wrote:
>
> I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley smoke
> fluid
> that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It is
> the "S"
> formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in some?
> Steve
> SnS Trains
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68740 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Decals for Tennessee Central FAs, in S scale, are being offered
If anyone is interested in decal sheets for decorating FAs in the Tennessee
Central yellow and maroon scheme, contact Joel Holmes at
_lehighvalley@..._ (mailto:lehighvalley@...) .

The info that Joel sent me says that each Scale set will do either 2, and
possibly 3 units. One unit could be an FB. Sets are $26 each and posate
is $1.50.

Joel advertised these in HO on the TC yahoo group. The HO sets will do 4
units. I asked if he could do them in S scale and he said yes. I think he
may still be figuring whether he can get 2 or 3 units on a sheet for S.

Contact Joel directly, not me.

- Earl Henry, Nashville

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68741 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Hi Steve,
I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid.  Many people were disappointed when they went out of business.  You should have no trouble selling the bottles you have.  I believe the owner of Lehigh was disposing waste in the river or streams and either the EPA of the State of PA shut him down. The 1st guy to make smoke fluid similar to A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke from Bart's Pneumatic, Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S" Gaugian.
Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.


 
Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that because I
had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"



In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
dalefsmith@... writes:

Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including coal,
diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in the
solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb of
the eye dropper top.

Dale

On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) wrote:
>
> I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley smoke
> fluid
> that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It is
> the "S"
> formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in some?
> Steve
> SnS Trains
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68742 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer club
� Arlington, Texas

Tom,
American Models includesa vial of Bart's  smoke fluid with their steam loco's. I still have 2 that I use at our train club and shows.
Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.



 

Hi Steve,
I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid.  Many people were disappointed when they went out of business.  You should have no trouble selling the bottles you have.  I believe the owner of Lehigh was disposing waste in the river or streams and either the EPA of the State of PA shut him down. The 1st guy to make smoke fluid similar to A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke from Bart's Pneumatic, Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S" Gaugian.
Tom Seccia

________________________________
From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.


 
Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that because I
had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"

In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
dalefsmith@... writes:

Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including coal,
diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in the
solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb of
the eye dropper top.

Dale

On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) wrote:
>
> I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley smoke
> fluid
> that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It is
> the "S"
> formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in some?
> Steve
> SnS Trains
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68743 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Dear Tom,
Is this the same smoke fluid as MTH?
Don

http://www.mthtrains.com/news/006


On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote:

> Hi Steve,
> I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid. Many people were disappointed when they went out of business. You should have no trouble selling the bottles you have. I believe the owner of Lehigh was disposing waste in the river or streams and either the EPA of the State of PA shut him down. The 1st guy to make smoke fluid similar to A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke from Bart's Pneumatic, Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S" Gaugian.
> Tom Seccia
>
> ________________________________
> From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>
>
>
> Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that because I
> had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"
>
> In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> dalefsmith@... writes:
>
> Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including coal,
> diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
> certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in the
> solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
> very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
> Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb of
> the eye dropper top.
>
> Dale
>
> On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) wrote:
> >
> > I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley smoke
> > fluid
> > that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It is
> > the "S"
> > formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in some?
> > Steve
> > SnS Trains
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68744 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: More about smoke fluid.
No trouble, but I have no idea of it's value. Don't want to offend anyone,
but don't want to give it away either.
Have had several inquires.
Steve


In a message dated 3/13/2012 3:39:01 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
trainsandhobbies@... writes:

Hi Steve,
I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid. Many people were disappointed
when they went out of business. You should have no trouble selling the
bottles you have. I believe the owner of Lehigh was disposing waste in the
river or streams and either the EPA of the State of PA shut him down. The 1st
guy to make smoke fluid similar to A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke
from Bart's Pneumatic, Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S"
Gaugian.
Tom Seccia



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68745 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Latest Circus car
The main reason I purchased the Lionel circus set was to have a set to run with the spot light car. Then Lionel cancelled the spot light car. What is a person to do? So I made my own Ringling Bros. spot light car. The photo in Wayne's Circus cars album is of the car not quite finished, but close enough. The spot light has a clear decal. The lettering on the side is simply a sign for right now, until I have enough graphics to print a decal on a white sheet. If Lionel changes their mind and makes a RBBB spot light car, I will still buy it. But for now I have this one.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 68746 From: barb Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5617
Steve, I'd give my eye teeth to have 3 bottles. But in leiu of sending my eye
teeth, let me know the cost.... Barb


I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley smoke fluid
that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It is the "S"
formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in some?
Steve
SnS Trains

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68747 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Alan what are those annoying question mark and diamond symbols that keep
appearing on your emails please? I find them distracting and annoying and suspect
others do too? Is it a glich in your program? Thank you Alistair
On Wed 14/03/12 7:17 AM , Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... sent:
> From: Alan Lambert
> � Lone Star Flyer club
> � Arlington, Texas
> �
> Tom,
> American Models includesa vial of Bart's  smoke fluid with their
> steam loco's. I still have 2 that I use at our train club and shows.
> Thanks,
> � Alan
> ________________________________
> From: Sheila Seccia
> To: ""
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>  
> Hi Steve,
> I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid.  Many people were
> disappointed when they went out of business.  You should have no
> trouble selling the bottles you have.  I believe the owner of Lehigh
> was disposing waste in the river or streams and either the EPA of the
> State of PA shut him down. The 1st guy to make smoke fluid similar to
> A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke from Bart's Pneumatic,
> Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S" Gaugian.
> Tom Seccia
> ________________________________
> From: ""
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>  
> Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that
> because I
> had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"
> In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> writes:
> Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including
> coal,
> diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
> certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in
> the
> solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
> very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
> Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb
> of
> the eye dropper top.
> Dale
> On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _ (mailto:) wrote:
> >
> > I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley
> smoke
> > fluid
> > that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It
> is
> > the "S"
> > formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in
> some?
> > Steve
> > SnS Trains
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68748 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
I know if I use too many periods, it looks like this ………
I think it's Yahoo.


Rick


On Mar 13, 2012, at 3:18 PM, alizoo@... wrote:

> Alan what are those annoying question mark and diamond symbols that keep
> appearing on your emails please? I find them distracting and annoying and suspect
> others do too? Is it a glich in your program? Thank you Alistair
> On Wed 14/03/12 7:17 AM , Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... sent:
> > From: Alan Lambert
> > � Lone Star Flyer club
> > � Arlington, Texas
> > �
> > Tom,
> > American Models includesa vial of Bart's smoke fluid with their
> > steam loco's. I still have 2 that I use at our train club and shows.
> > Thanks,
> > � Alan
> > ________________________________
> > From: Sheila Seccia
> > To: ""
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> > I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid. Many people were
> > disappointed when they went out of business. You should have no
> > trouble selling the bottles you have. I believe the owner of Lehigh
> > was disposing waste in the river or streams and either the EPA of the
> > State of PA shut him down. The 1st guy to make smoke fluid similar to
> > A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke from Bart's Pneumatic,
> > Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S" Gaugian.
> > Tom Seccia
> > ________________________________
> > From: ""
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
> >
> > Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that
> > because I
> > had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"
> > In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> > writes:
> > Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including
> > coal,
> > diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
> > certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in
> > the
> > solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
> > very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
> > Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb
> > of
> > the eye dropper top.
> > Dale
> > On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _ (mailto:) wrote:
> > >
> > > I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley
> > smoke
> > > fluid
> > > that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It
> > is
> > > the "S"
> > > formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in
> > some?
> > > Steve
> > > SnS Trains
> >
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68749 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
I don’t think that is Alan’s doing as I have been told my emails from time to time will have those things too.

Mike

From: alizoo@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:18 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.


Alan what are those annoying question mark and diamond symbols that keep
appearing on your emails please? I find them distracting and annoying and suspect
others do too? Is it a glich in your program? Thank you Alistair
On Wed 14/03/12 7:17 AM , Alan Lambert mailto:alanlambert64%40yahoo.com sent:
> From: Alan Lambert




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68750 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
From, Alan Lambert
I have Outlook express and you are the first one to complane. It may be in your program. I see stuff like that on everyones e-mail and don't complane, thinking it is a Yahoo thing. They are going through an upgrade if you have not heard.
� Thanks,
Alan


________________________________
From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.



 

Alan what are those annoying question mark and diamond symbols that keep
appearing on your emails please? I find them distracting and annoying and suspect
others do too? Is it a glich in your program? Thank you Alistair
On Wed 14/03/12 7:17 AM , Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... sent:
> From: Alan Lambert
> � Lone Star Flyer club
> � Arlington, Texas
> �
> Tom,
> American Models includesa vial of Bart's  smoke fluid with their
> steam loco's. I still have 2 that I use at our train club and shows.
> Thanks,
> � Alan
> ________________________________
> From: Sheila Seccia
> To: ""
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>  
> Hi Steve,
> I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid.  Many people were
> disappointed when they went out of business.  You should have no
> trouble selling the bottles you have.  I believe the owner of Lehigh
> was disposing waste in the river or streams and either the EPA of the
> State of PA shut him down. The 1st guy to make smoke fluid similar to
> A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke from Bart's Pneumatic,
> Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S" Gaugian.
> Tom Seccia
> ________________________________
> From: ""
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>  
> Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that
> because I
> had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"
> In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> writes:
> Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including
> coal,
> diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
> certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in
> the
> solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
> very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
> Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb
> of
> the eye dropper top.
> Dale
> On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _ (mailto:) wrote:
> >
> > I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley
> smoke
> > fluid
> > that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It
> is
> > the "S"
> > formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in
> some?
> > Steve
> > SnS Trains
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68751 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
From: Alan Lambert
 
Alistair,
 
If I knew , I would get rid of them. I don't put them there. There should only be main text here and nothing else.
� Thanks,
� Alan
IT must be a yahoo mail glich.
 

________________________________
From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.



 

Alan what are those annoying question mark and diamond symbols that keep
appearing on your emails please? I find them distracting and annoying and suspect
others do too? Is it a glich in your program? Thank you Alistair
On Wed 14/03/12 7:17 AM , Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... sent:
> From: Alan Lambert
> � Lone Star Flyer club
> � Arlington, Texas
> �
> Tom,
> American Models includesa vial of Bart's  smoke fluid with their
> steam loco's. I still have 2 that I use at our train club and shows.
> Thanks,
> � Alan
> ________________________________
> From: Sheila Seccia
> To: ""
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>  
> Hi Steve,
> I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid.  Many people were
> disappointed when they went out of business.  You should have no
> trouble selling the bottles you have.  I believe the owner of Lehigh
> was disposing waste in the river or streams and either the EPA of the
> State of PA shut him down. The 1st guy to make smoke fluid similar to
> A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke from Bart's Pneumatic,
> Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S" Gaugian.
> Tom Seccia
> ________________________________
> From: ""
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>  
> Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that
> because I
> had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"
> In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> writes:
> Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including
> coal,
> diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
> certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in
> the
> solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
> very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
> Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb
> of
> the eye dropper top.
> Dale
> On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _ (mailto:) wrote:
> >
> > I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley
> smoke
> > fluid
> > that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It
> is
> > the "S"
> > formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in
> some?
> > Steve
> > SnS Trains
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68752 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: More about smoke fluid.
Hi Steve,
� I believe the bottles are one ounce. At the old price in think these sold for $5.00 a bottle.  You could probably move these on Ebay. There's a lot of "O" Gaugers looking for the stuff.
Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:43 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] More about smoke fluid.


 
No trouble, but I have no idea of it's value. Don't want to offend anyone,
but don't want to give it away either.
Have had several inquires.
Steve


In a message dated 3/13/2012 3:39:01 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
trainsandhobbies@... writes:

Hi Steve,
I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid. Many people were disappointed
when they went out of business. You should have no trouble selling the
bottles you have. I believe the owner of Lehigh was disposing waste in the
river or streams and either the EPA of the State of PA shut him down. The 1st
guy to make smoke fluid similar to A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke
from Bart's Pneumatic, Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S"
Gaugian.
Tom Seccia

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68753 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Hi Alan,
I don't know when you bought that locomotive, but I believe American Models discontinued using Supersmoke.
Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.


 
Alan what are those annoying question mark and diamond symbols that keep
appearing on your emails please? I find them distracting and annoying and suspect
others do too? Is it a glich in your program? Thank you Alistair
On Wed 14/03/12 7:17 AM , Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... sent:
> From: Alan Lambert
> � Lone Star Flyer club
> � Arlington, Texas
> �
> Tom,
> American Models includesa vial of Bart's  smoke fluid with their
> steam loco's. I still have 2 that I use at our train club and shows.
> Thanks,
> � Alan
> ________________________________
> From: Sheila Seccia
> To: ""
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>  
> Hi Steve,
> I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid.  Many people were
> disappointed when they went out of business.  You should have no
> trouble selling the bottles you have.  I believe the owner of Lehigh
> was disposing waste in the river or streams and either the EPA of the
> State of PA shut him down. The 1st guy to make smoke fluid similar to
> A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke from Bart's Pneumatic,
> Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S" Gaugian.
> Tom Seccia
> ________________________________
> From: ""
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>  
> Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that
> because I
> had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"
> In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> writes:
> Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including
> coal,
> diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
> certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in
> the
> solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
> very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
> Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb
> of
> the eye dropper top.
> Dale
> On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _ (mailto:) wrote:
> >
> > I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley
> smoke
> > fluid
> > that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It
> is
> > the "S"
> > formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in
> some?
> > Steve
> > SnS Trains
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68754 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Hi Don,
I believe MTH at one time used Supersmoke.  They now use their own brand of smoke fluid.  One of the MTH dealers told me Supersmoke was too thick for the MTH units and it was clogging.  I think the same goes with American Models smoke units. They used to send a small capsule with their locomotives.  I know Supersmoke works well with Gilbert American Flyer
� Tom Seccia




________________________________
From: Don Thompson <don@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.


 
Dear Tom,
Is this the same smoke fluid as MTH?
Don

http://www.mthtrains.com/news/006

On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote:

> Hi Steve,
> I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid. Many people were disappointed when they went out of business. You should have no trouble selling the bottles you have. I believe the owner of Lehigh was disposing waste in the river or streams and either the EPA of the State of PA shut him down. The 1st guy to make smoke fluid similar to A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke from Bart's Pneumatic, Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S" Gaugian.
> Tom Seccia
>
> ________________________________
> From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>
>
>
> Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that because I
> had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"
>
> In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> dalefsmith@... writes:
>
> Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including coal,
> diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
> certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in the
> solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
> very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
> Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb of
> the eye dropper top.
>
> Dale
>
> On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) wrote:
> >
> > I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley smoke
> > fluid
> > that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It is
> > the "S"
> > formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in some?
> > Steve
> > SnS Trains
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68755 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: 314AW
Tom,

It seems logical that an early formulation might have been based on
kerosene, but I did a check of a few old catalogs, and the earliest
cataloging of smoke fluid appears to have been in 1950 and they were the
#25 capsules. I also saw in Volume 2 of the Greenberg guide book that a
bottle was available in 1960, 62, and 64 in quantities of 12 in the
23036 "supersaver" kit. Someone suggested that the kerosene formula
might have come in a bottle, but if that bottle is the one from the
60's, I don't think it would be kerosene. Was the one in the envelope
that is labeled kerosene a capsule? I think some of the differences in
consistency could also be explained by different weights of mineral
oil. What are your thoughts?

Dale

Sheila Seccia wrote:
>
> Hi Dale,
> ....The original Gilbert smoke composition contains kerosent and cedar
> wood oil. I have envelopes which read exactly that. I have seen
> labeling marked Non Toxic.
>
> � Tom Seccia
>
> ________________________________ ~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~ end group
> email -->
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68756 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Alan -
Those symbols are in the mail from you on my Mac as well. For instance, on your last message, there is a white question mark in a black diamond before the word "Thanks".
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Lambert" <alanlambert64@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:40:42 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.






From, Alan Lambert
I have Outlook express and you are the first one to complane. It may be in your program. I see stuff like that on everyones e-mail and don't complane, thinking it is a Yahoo thing. They are going through an upgrade if you have not heard.
� Thanks,
Alan


________________________________
From: " alizoo@... " < alizoo@... >
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.




Alan what are those annoying question mark and diamond symbols that keep
appearing on your emails please? I find them distracting and annoying and suspect
others do too? Is it a glich in your program? Thank you Alistair
On Wed 14/03/12 7:17 AM , Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... sent:
> From: Alan Lambert
> � Lone Star Flyer club
> � Arlington, Texas
> �
> Tom,
> American Models includesa vial of Bart's smoke fluid with their
> steam loco's. I still have 2 that I use at our train club and shows.
> Thanks,
> � Alan
> ________________________________
> From: Sheila Seccia
> To: ""
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>
> Hi Steve,
> I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid. Many people were
> disappointed when they went out of business. You should have no
> trouble selling the bottles you have. I believe the owner of Lehigh
> was disposing waste in the river or streams and either the EPA of the
> State of PA shut him down. The 1st guy to make smoke fluid similar to
> A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke from Bart's Pneumatic,
> Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S" Gaugian.
> Tom Seccia
> ________________________________
> From: ""
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>
> Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that
> because I
> had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"
> In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> writes:
> Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including
> coal,
> diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
> certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in
> the
> solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
> very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
> Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb
> of
> the eye dropper top.
> Dale
> On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _ (mailto:) wrote:
> >
> > I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley
> smoke
> > fluid
> > that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It
> is
> > the "S"
> > formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in
> some?
> > Steve
> > SnS Trains
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68757 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Must be Yahoo. Always the same - they get some smart #ssed new IT person in and
they think up fancy ideas that nobody wants or more usually don't work. Alistair

On Wed 14/03/12 12:00 PM , Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... sent:
> From: Alan Lambert
>  
> Alistair,
>  
> If I knew , I would get rid of them. I don't put them there. There
> should only be main text here and nothing else.
> � Thanks,
> � Alan
> IT must be a yahoo mail glich.
>  
> ________________________________
> From: ""
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>  
> Alan what are those annoying question mark and diamond symbols that
> keep
> appearing on your emails please? I find them distracting and
> annoying and suspect
> others do too? Is it a glich in your program? Thank you Alistair
> On Wed 14/03/12 7:17 AM , Alan Lambert sent:
> > From: Alan Lambert
> > � Lone Star Flyer club
> > � Arlington, Texas
> > �
> > Tom,
> > American Models includesa vial of Bart's  smoke fluid with their
> > steam loco's. I still have 2 that I use at our train club and
> shows.
> > Thanks,
> > � Alan
> > ________________________________
> > From: Sheila Seccia
> > To: ""
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
> >  
> > Hi Steve,
> > I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid.  Many people were
> > disappointed when they went out of business.  You should have no
> > trouble selling the bottles you have.  I believe the owner of
> Lehigh
> > was disposing waste in the river or streams and either the EPA of
> the
> > State of PA shut him down. The 1st guy to make smoke fluid similar
> to
> > A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke from Bart's Pneumatic,
> > Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S" Gaugian.
> > Tom Seccia
> > ________________________________
> > From: ""
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
> >  
> > Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that
> > because I
> > had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"
> > In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> > writes:
> > Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including
> > coal,
> > diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
> > certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles
> in
> > the
> > solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it
> for
> > very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
> > Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber
> bulb
> > of
> > the eye dropper top.
> > Dale
> > On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _ (mailto:) wrote:
> > >
> > > I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley
> > smoke
> > > fluid
> > > that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert.
> It
> > is
> > > the "S"
> > > formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in
> > some?
> > > Steve
> > > SnS Trains
> >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68758 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
From: Alan Lambert
 
Tom,
The vial says  supersmoke
                       Big-Puff
                      non-toxic
                  Smoke  Fluid
 
Thanks,
            Alan


________________________________
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.



 

Hi Alan,
I don't know when you bought that locomotive, but I believe American Models discontinued using Supersmoke.
Tom Seccia

________________________________
From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.


 
Alan what are those annoying question mark and diamond symbols that keep
appearing on your emails please? I find them distracting and annoying and suspect
others do too? Is it a glich in your program? Thank you Alistair
On Wed 14/03/12 7:17 AM , Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... sent:
> From: Alan Lambert
> � Lone Star Flyer club
> � Arlington, Texas
> �
> Tom,
> American Models includesa vial of Bart's  smoke fluid with their
> steam loco's. I still have 2 that I use at our train club and shows.
> Thanks,
> � Alan
> ________________________________
> From: Sheila Seccia
> To: ""
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>  
> Hi Steve,
> I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid.  Many people were
> disappointed when they went out of business.  You should have no
> trouble selling the bottles you have.  I believe the owner of Lehigh
> was disposing waste in the river or streams and either the EPA of the
> State of PA shut him down. The 1st guy to make smoke fluid similar to
> A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke from Bart's Pneumatic,
> Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S" Gaugian.
> Tom Seccia
> ________________________________
> From: ""
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>  
> Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that
> because I
> had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"
> In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> writes:
> Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including
> coal,
> diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
> certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in
> the
> solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
> very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
> Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb
> of
> the eye dropper top.
> Dale
> On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _ (mailto:) wrote:
> >
> > I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley
> smoke
> > fluid
> > that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It
> is
> > the "S"
> > formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in
> some?
> > Steve
> > SnS Trains
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68759 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
From: Alan Lambert
 
I bought my new MKT Pacific before they were listed on the website. I have a train club member that is an  American Models sales rep for my area Fort Worth, Dallas Texas.
                       Thanks,
                                     Alan
Yes,  My club gets inside news, Just like when the MKT heavywight passenger cars showed up on the website I already had mine
 
 
 


________________________________
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.



 

Hi Alan,
I don't know when you bought that locomotive, but I believe American Models discontinued using Supersmoke.
Tom Seccia

________________________________
From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.


 
Alan what are those annoying question mark and diamond symbols that keep
appearing on your emails please? I find them distracting and annoying and suspect
others do too? Is it a glich in your program? Thank you Alistair
On Wed 14/03/12 7:17 AM , Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... sent:
> From: Alan Lambert
> � Lone Star Flyer club
> � Arlington, Texas
> �
> Tom,
> American Models includesa vial of Bart's  smoke fluid with their
> steam loco's. I still have 2 that I use at our train club and shows.
> Thanks,
> � Alan
> ________________________________
> From: Sheila Seccia
> To: ""
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>  
> Hi Steve,
> I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid.  Many people were
> disappointed when they went out of business.  You should have no
> trouble selling the bottles you have.  I believe the owner of Lehigh
> was disposing waste in the river or streams and either the EPA of the
> State of PA shut him down. The 1st guy to make smoke fluid similar to
> A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke from Bart's Pneumatic,
> Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S" Gaugian.
> Tom Seccia
> ________________________________
> From: ""
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>  
> Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that
> because I
> had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"
> In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> writes:
> Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including
> coal,
> diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
> certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in
> the
> solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
> very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
> Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb
> of
> the eye dropper top.
> Dale
> On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _ (mailto:) wrote:
> >
> > I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley
> smoke
> > fluid
> > that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It
> is
> > the "S"
> > formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in
> some?
> > Steve
> > SnS Trains
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68760 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
From: Alan Lambert
 
See that funkky looking A. I did not put it there .  It showes up everywhere.
                   Thanks,
                                Alan
 Check with Yahoo and see what they say.


________________________________
From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.



 

From: Alan Lambert
 
Alistair,
 
If I knew , I would get rid of them. I don't put them there. There should only be main text here and nothing else.
  Thanks,
  Alan
IT must be a yahoo mail glich.
 

________________________________
From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.


 

Alan what are those annoying question mark and diamond symbols that keep
appearing on your emails please? I find them distracting and annoying and suspect
others do too? Is it a glich in your program? Thank you Alistair
On Wed 14/03/12 7:17 AM , Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... sent:
> From: Alan Lambert
> � Lone Star Flyer club
> � Arlington, Texas
> �
> Tom,
> American Models includesa vial of Bart's  smoke fluid with their
> steam loco's. I still have 2 that I use at our train club and shows.
> Thanks,
> � Alan
> ________________________________
> From: Sheila Seccia
> To: ""
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>  
> Hi Steve,
> I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid.  Many people were
> disappointed when they went out of business.  You should have no
> trouble selling the bottles you have.  I believe the owner of Lehigh
> was disposing waste in the river or streams and either the EPA of the
> State of PA shut him down. The 1st guy to make smoke fluid similar to
> A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke from Bart's Pneumatic,
> Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S" Gaugian.
> Tom Seccia
> ________________________________
> From: ""
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>  
> Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that
> because I
> had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"
> In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> writes:
> Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including
> coal,
> diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
> certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in
> the
> solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
> very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
> Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb
> of
> the eye dropper top.
> Dale
> On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _ (mailto:) wrote:
> >
> > I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley
> smoke
> > fluid
> > that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It
> is
> > the "S"
> > formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in
> some?
> > Steve
> > SnS Trains
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68761 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
From: Alan Lambert
 
Thanks Rick, Thats what I thought. I don't add what hes talking about. I profread my post before I hit send.
                Alan


________________________________
From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.



 

I know if I use too many periods, it looks like this ………
I think it's Yahoo.

Rick

On Mar 13, 2012, at 3:18 PM, alizoo@... wrote:

> Alan what are those annoying question mark and diamond symbols that keep
> appearing on your emails please? I find them distracting and annoying and suspect
> others do too? Is it a glich in your program? Thank you Alistair
> On Wed 14/03/12 7:17 AM , Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... sent:
> > From: Alan Lambert
> > � Lone Star Flyer club
> > � Arlington, Texas
> > �
> > Tom,
> > American Models includesa vial of Bart's smoke fluid with their
> > steam loco's. I still have 2 that I use at our train club and shows.
> > Thanks,
> > � Alan
> > ________________________________
> > From: Sheila Seccia
> > To: ""
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> > I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid. Many people were
> > disappointed when they went out of business. You should have no
> > trouble selling the bottles you have. I believe the owner of Lehigh
> > was disposing waste in the river or streams and either the EPA of the
> > State of PA shut him down. The 1st guy to make smoke fluid similar to
> > A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke from Bart's Pneumatic,
> > Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S" Gaugian.
> > Tom Seccia
> > ________________________________
> > From: ""
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
> >
> > Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that
> > because I
> > had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"
> > In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> > writes:
> > Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including
> > coal,
> > diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
> > certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in
> > the
> > solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
> > very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
> > Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb
> > of
> > the eye dropper top.
> > Dale
> > On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _ (mailto:) wrote:
> > >
> > > I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley
> > smoke
> > > fluid
> > > that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It
> > is
> > > the "S"
> > > formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in
> > some?
> > > Steve
> > > SnS Trains
> >
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68762 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
From: Alan lambert
 
Mike,
Thanks for coming to my aid.
                       Thanks, Alan
My American Models   MKT Heavywight Passenger cars look just like the picture. They are my first Passenger cars that I have. can't find any at my  2 local train shows.


________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.



 

I don’t think that is Alan’s doing as I have been told my emails from time to time will have those things too.

Mike

From: alizoo@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:18 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.

Alan what are those annoying question mark and diamond symbols that keep
appearing on your emails please? I find them distracting and annoying and suspect
others do too? Is it a glich in your program? Thank you Alistair
On Wed 14/03/12 7:17 AM , Alan Lambert mailto:alanlambert64%40yahoo.com sent:
> From: Alan Lambert

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68763 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
Well ….. it didn't do what it normally does when I use periods! Sorry.
Stupid Yahoo...
On Mar 13, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Rick Evans wrote:

> I know if I use too many periods, it looks like this ………
> I think it's Yahoo.
>
> Rick
>
> On Mar 13, 2012, at 3:18 PM, alizoo@... wrote:
>
> > Alan what are those annoying question mark and diamond symbols that keep
> > appearing on your emails please? I find them distracting and annoying and suspect
> > others do too? Is it a glich in your program? Thank you Alistair
> > On Wed 14/03/12 7:17 AM , Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... sent:
> > > From: Alan Lambert
> > > � Lone Star Flyer club
> > > � Arlington, Texas
> > > �
> > > Tom,
> > > American Models includesa vial of Bart's smoke fluid with their
> > > steam loco's. I still have 2 that I use at our train club and shows.
> > > Thanks,
> > > � Alan
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Sheila Seccia
> > > To: ""
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:18 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
> > >
> > > Hi Steve,
> > > I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid. Many people were
> > > disappointed when they went out of business. You should have no
> > > trouble selling the bottles you have. I believe the owner of Lehigh
> > > was disposing waste in the river or streams and either the EPA of the
> > > State of PA shut him down. The 1st guy to make smoke fluid similar to
> > > A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke from Bart's Pneumatic,
> > > Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S" Gaugian.
> > > Tom Seccia
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: ""
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
> > >
> > > Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that
> > > because I
> > > had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"
> > > In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> > > writes:
> > > Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including
> > > coal,
> > > diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
> > > certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in
> > > the
> > > solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
> > > very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
> > > Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb
> > > of
> > > the eye dropper top.
> > > Dale
> > > On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _ (mailto:) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley
> > > smoke
> > > > fluid
> > > > that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It
> > > is
> > > > the "S"
> > > > formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in
> > > some?
> > > > Steve
> > > > SnS Trains
> > >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68764 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
The Lehigh Valley Train Service smoke fluid was indeed copied from the Gilbert formula. I know the guy who gave Gilbert fluid to him. That fluid will indeed deform/rot the rubber stopper, so keeping it upright and emptying the stopper when you're done is absolutely essential. Mike's Train House liked the stuff because it didn't contain any "organic" components, which tend to clog up smoke units. I suspect that cedar oil is one such organic--check out those old AF smoke units!

Mike's Train House bought the fluid from LVTS, then bought the formula. I believe they caught him selling it "on the sly", and threatened to sue. I don't see how the environmental people shut him down, unless he didn't have a permit to manufacture the stuff in his basement--which wouldn't surprise me about the guv'mint!


____________________________________________________________
53 Year Old Mom Looks 33
The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4f608d1c999a6275a6c6st06duc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68765 From: piccu56 Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About Odd Characters In Emails.
This is caused by Character Encoding within different E-Mail programs.

Read this and try to make sense of it, it answers the question of why.

http://ask-leo.com/why_do_i_get_odd_characters_instead_of_quotes_in_my_documents.html


Those computer savvy enough can set their e-Mail settings to eliminate the problem.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68766 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: Goofy Characters in Messages
The source of some of the extra characters may be Yahoo or any of the
other entities that handle our messages as they are routed through the
network of connections. At each stage, the local processor has settings
about what to do with the end-of-line marker and a range of
international language options. Our mail messages may pass through a
variable number of stops before they finally reach Yahoo and then still
more before they get to us through the distribution channel.

If a new unit is installed (especially to replace a failed one) the
options may not be set properly. If a new release of any of the required
pieces of software is installed as an upgrade, those options may not be
set the same way. Something may have been wrong in two stops along the
way that cancelled a bad effect out. Then, one is fixed and like a
discovered check in Chess, an existing one manifests itself.

:-) :-P =-O >:o 8-) :-$ The preceding set of emoticons has been rendered
as single characters on this computer in the composing frame. I wonder
what it will look like when it comes back.

All of this interchange overhead is further proof that the railroads did
some wonderful work in creating and using standards for gauge, couplers,
brake line connections, cargo routing labels and a host of other things.
Even so, the range of scales, gauges, control systems, couplers, wheels
and flanges in our toys illuminates the difficulties in trying to please
everybody. (Just a little something to stay on topic)

Bill :-)

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 3/14/2012 12:36 AM, jimensign50@... wrote:
> Alan -
> Those symbols are in the mail from you on my Mac as well. For instance, on your last message, there is a white question mark in a black diamond before the word "Thanks".
> Jim E.
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68767 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
From: Alan Lambert
 
Like I said before I DO NOT PUT THOSE SYMBALS IN MY E-MAIL POSTS. sorry for shouting but I'm gitting tired of everyone saying I'm At falt. Check with Yahoo and see what they say.AGAIN I DO NOT PUT THOSE SYMABALS THERE>
� Thanlks


________________________________
From: "jimensign50@..." <jimensign50@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.



 

Alan -
Those symbols are in the mail from you on my Mac as well. For instance, on your last message, there is a white question mark in a black diamond before the word "Thanks".
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Lambert" <alanlambert64@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:40:42 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.

From, Alan Lambert
I have Outlook express and you are the first one to complane. It may be in your program. I see stuff like that on everyones e-mail and don't complane, thinking it is a Yahoo thing. They are going through an upgrade if you have not heard.
� Thanks,
Alan

________________________________
From: " alizoo@... " < alizoo@... >
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.

Alan what are those annoying question mark and diamond symbols that keep
appearing on your emails please? I find them distracting and annoying and suspect
others do too? Is it a glich in your program? Thank you Alistair
On Wed 14/03/12 7:17 AM , Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... sent:
> From: Alan Lambert
> � Lone Star Flyer club
> � Arlington, Texas
> �
> Tom,
> American Models includesa vial of Bart's smoke fluid with their
> steam loco's. I still have 2 that I use at our train club and shows.
> Thanks,
> � Alan
> ________________________________
> From: Sheila Seccia
> To: ""
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>
> Hi Steve,
> I used to sell Lehigh Valley smoke fluid. Many people were
> disappointed when they went out of business. You should have no
> trouble selling the bottles you have. I believe the owner of Lehigh
> was disposing waste in the river or streams and either the EPA of the
> State of PA shut him down. The 1st guy to make smoke fluid similar to
> A.C Glbert cedar scent was Supersmoke from Bart's Pneumatic,
> Lancaster, Pa. Still selling today. See ads in "S" Gaugian.
> Tom Seccia
> ________________________________
> From: ""
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid.
>
> Not sure. They had different formulas for O and S I know that
> because I
> had both. These are all labeled "Live Steam" "LS2 S Gauge"
> In a message dated 3/13/2012 4:53:27 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> writes:
> Weren't these the ones that came in different scents, including
> coal,
> diesel and the regular cedar? I tried some of the coal and it
> certainly smelled like that, but I could see tiny black particles in
> the
> solution, which I assumed were pulverized coal. I didn't use it for
> very long as I was concerned about its effect on the smoke unit.
> Actually, my bottle tipped over and the fluid rotted the rubber bulb
> of
> the eye dropper top.
> Dale
> On 3/12/2012 7:32 PM, _ (mailto:) wrote:
> >
> > I just happen to have a dozen bottles of the old Lehigh Valley
> smoke
> > fluid
> > that was the staple of S-Gaugers after the demise of Gilbert. It
> is
> > the "S"
> > formula, and they are full and unopened. Anybody interested in
> some?
> > Steve
> > SnS Trains
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68768 From: Ben Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Hot Stuff- Royal Blue
My #350 Royal Blue engine was purchased many years ago in a junk lot at auction. It needed new tender-to-loco wires, eccentric linkage, and cleaning, but performed pretty well.

She squeals sometimes upon start up until warm even though she is properly lubricated.

I notice lately that after running for about 10 minutes pulling a modest consist, it begins to slow down noticeably. It will get to the point that it almost crawls at full throttle.

Feeling the cab, the motor is hot and the e-unit lever protruding from the boiler is hot as well. Seems I have some unwanted resistance in the system. Any ideas on what to look for?

I am leaning toward a DC can motor conversion...I have them ready and waiting

Thanks-

Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 68769 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid
When I worked at the hobby shop, MTH told us to sell MTH customers their Protosmoke smoke fluid because regular ones didn't work well in fan type smoke units. It turned out that MTH was correct as Protosmoke gave the best yield and least trouble in their trains.
We also were told by LGB to use only LGB or Seuthe smoke fluid in their products because the units were made by Seuthe and other fluids would not work as well. Again, LGB was correct for their trains. Seuthe also worked best in any of the pot and element type units.
Supersmoke was supposed to have been blended for original Lionel and Gilbert smoke units, so it was always our "fall back" if in doubt.
Lionel told us only to use Lionel smoke fluid, but Supersmoke was better, and in the new pot and element units such as in recent Flyonel engines, the Seuthe worked better.
By the way, I have tested the above in my old Flyer wick and element smoke units. Seuthe and MTH are pretty poor. Supersmoke does the job pretty well. So obviously the different types of units can use other brands of smoke fluid, but certain ones do best with the "correct" fluid.
My own favorite for old Flyer is none of the above, but Anormal 1 smoke fluid, as it gives me the most smoke yield and I like the odor better. Your mileage may vary.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68770 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid
From: Alan Lambert
�Lone Star Flyer club
� Arlington, Texas

Stumpy, I agree with you. I use Anormal1 fluid with best results and longer smoke periods.
� Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:08 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: About smoke fluid



 

When I worked at the hobby shop, MTH told us to sell MTH customers their Protosmoke smoke fluid because regular ones didn't work well in fan type smoke units. It turned out that MTH was correct as Protosmoke gave the best yield and least trouble in their trains.
We also were told by LGB to use only LGB or Seuthe smoke fluid in their products because the units were made by Seuthe and other fluids would not work as well. Again, LGB was correct for their trains. Seuthe also worked best in any of the pot and element type units.
Supersmoke was supposed to have been blended for original Lionel and Gilbert smoke units, so it was always our "fall back" if in doubt.
Lionel told us only to use Lionel smoke fluid, but Supersmoke was better, and in the new pot and element units such as in recent Flyonel engines, the Seuthe worked better.
By the way, I have tested the above in my old Flyer wick and element smoke units. Seuthe and MTH are pretty poor. Supersmoke does the job pretty well. So obviously the different types of units can use other brands of smoke fluid, but certain ones do best with the "correct" fluid.
My own favorite for old Flyer is none of the above, but Anormal 1 smoke fluid, as it gives me the most smoke yield and I like the odor better. Your mileage may vary.
Stumpy in Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68771 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: Goofy Characters in Messages
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer club
�Arlington, Texas
Bill,
Thanks for that explanation. My club location is in the process of making a move. We found a better location, and after some remodeling we will be back up and running trains in the post train show period. thankfully I have a (Home, under construction Layout Loop of track).
thanks,
� Alan



________________________________
From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Goofy Characters in Messages



 

The source of some of the extra characters may be Yahoo or any of the
other entities that handle our messages as they are routed through the
network of connections. At each stage, the local processor has settings
about what to do with the end-of-line marker and a range of
international language options. Our mail messages may pass through a
variable number of stops before they finally reach Yahoo and then still
more before they get to us through the distribution channel.

If a new unit is installed (especially to replace a failed one) the
options may not be set properly. If a new release of any of the required
pieces of software is installed as an upgrade, those options may not be
set the same way. Something may have been wrong in two stops along the
way that cancelled a bad effect out. Then, one is fixed and like a
discovered check in Chess, an existing one manifests itself.

:-) :-P =-O >:o 8-) :-$ The preceding set of emoticons has been rendered
as single characters on this computer in the composing frame. I wonder
what it will look like when it comes back.

All of this interchange overhead is further proof that the railroads did
some wonderful work in creating and using standards for gauge, couplers,
brake line connections, cargo routing labels and a host of other things.
Even so, the range of scales, gauges, control systems, couplers, wheels
and flanges in our toys illuminates the difficulties in trying to please
everybody. (Just a little something to stay on topic)

Bill :-)

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 3/14/2012 12:36 AM, jimensign50@... wrote:
> Alan -
> Those symbols are in the mail from you on my Mac as well. For instance, on your last message, there is a white question mark in a black diamond before the word "Thanks".
> Jim E.
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68772 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid.
On 3/13/2012 8:29 PM, alizoo@... wrote:
>
> Must be Yahoo. Always the same - they get some smart #ssed new IT
> person in and
> they think up fancy ideas that nobody wants or more usually don't
> work. Alistair
> ~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~ end group email -->
>
>
And they never test it to see if it works, they are so confident in
their "genius." They just wait to see if anyone complains and then fix
it, again with no testing.

By the way, Yahoo strips out any double spaces after a period. Heaven
forbid that we should follow gramatical rules.

Dale


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68773 From: Lon Walker Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
  Hi,  I have some kind of smoke fluid that dissolved the rubber and  clouded the fluid. Can this fluid still be used or should it be discarded?  Thanks.  Lon Walker


________________________________
From: "schwartzsj@..." <schwartzsj@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid. LVTS


 
The Lehigh Valley Train Service smoke fluid was indeed copied from the Gilbert formula. I know the guy who gave Gilbert fluid to him. That fluid will indeed deform/rot the rubber stopper, so keeping it upright and emptying the stopper when you're done is absolutely essential. Mike's Train House liked the stuff because it didn't contain any "organic" components, which tend to clog up smoke units. I suspect that cedar oil is one such organic--check out those old AF smoke units!

__________________________________________________________
53 Year Old Mom Looks 33
The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
http:/Mike's Train House bought the fluid from LVTS, then bought the formula. I believe they caught him selling it "on the sly", and threatened to sue. I don't see how the environmental people shut him down, unless he didn't have a permit to manufacture the stuff in his basement--which wouldn't surprise me about the guv'mint!

/thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4f608d1c999a6275a6c6st06duc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68774 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Hi Lon,
                Smoke fluid should be stored upright so that is not constantly contacting the dropper. That appies to all smoke fluids.The fluid is good.
                                                      Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: Lon Walker <wlon17@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid. LVTS


 
  Hi,  I have some kind of smoke fluid that dissolved the rubber and  clouded the fluid. Can this fluid still be used or should it be discarded?  Thanks.  Lon Walker

________________________________
From: "schwartzsj@..." <schwartzsj@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid. LVTS

 
The Lehigh Valley Train Service smoke fluid was indeed copied from the Gilbert formula. I know the guy who gave Gilbert fluid to him. That fluid will indeed deform/rot the rubber stopper, so keeping it upright and emptying the stopper when you're done is absolutely essential. Mike's Train House liked the stuff because it didn't contain any "organic" components, which tend to clog up smoke units. I suspect that cedar oil is one such organic--check out those old AF smoke units!

__________________________________________________________
53 Year Old Mom Looks 33
The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
http:/Mike's Train House bought the fluid from LVTS, then bought the formula. I believe they caught him selling it "on the sly", and threatened to sue. I don't see how the environmental people shut him down, unless he didn't have a permit to manufacture the stuff in his basement--which wouldn't surprise me about the guv'mint!

/thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4f608d1c999a6275a6c6st06duc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68775 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
It seems that every smoke fluid on the market claims to be just like the original from A C Gilbert.

And this not a dig at anyone person.

So, just like they have Chili Cook offs, I say lets have a Smoke Fluid Competition smell off.


Now how to get all the brands on the market together with a group of judges.

LOL


Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68776 From: Edward Musil Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
What may be the best referee in this "competition" of smoke oils is to run each sample in an FTIR instrument to analyze the components that make up each oil.  An FTIR can scan and show all of the individual organic components and the percentage of each.  I can have the scans ran if you would like as I am friends with the chemists at my former work place (Kodak) where I worked for 32.5 years in Analytical Services.  Contact me off list if anyone is interested.
Ed Musil 


________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid. LVTS


 


It seems that every smoke fluid on the market claims to be just like the original from A C Gilbert.

And this not a dig at anyone person.

So, just like they have Chili Cook offs, I say lets have a Smoke Fluid Competition smell off.

Now how to get all the brands on the market together with a group of judges.

LOL

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68777 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Hi Ed,

That sounds great, but you know I was only kidding.

I think the nose test would be the best, but I understand what you are saying!

Mike


From: Edward Musil
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:05 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid. LVTS


What may be the best referee in this "competition" of smoke oils is to run each sample in an FTIR instrument to analyze the components that make up each oil. An FTIR can scan and show all of the individual organic components and the percentage of each. I can have the scans ran if you would like as I am friends with the chemists at my former work place (Kodak) where I worked for 32.5 years in Analytical Services. Contact me off list if anyone is interested.
Ed Musil

________________________________




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68778 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: Hot Stuff- Royal Blue
Are the insulated wheels slipping on the wheel core? Ran into that the other day on an old 316. One side was fine, but the other slipped. The core was driving but the outer rim did not.
Jim E,

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben" <lbstiles@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:55:57 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Hot Stuff- Royal Blue






My #350 Royal Blue engine was purchased many years ago in a junk lot at auction. It needed new tender-to-loco wires, eccentric linkage, and cleaning, but performed pretty well.

She squeals sometimes upon start up until warm even though she is properly lubricated.

I notice lately that after running for about 10 minutes pulling a modest consist, it begins to slow down noticeably. It will get to the point that it almost crawls at full throttle.

Feeling the cab, the motor is hot and the e-unit lever protruding from the boiler is hot as well. Seems I have some unwanted resistance in the system. Any ideas on what to look for?

I am leaning toward a DC can motor conversion...I have them ready and waiting

Thanks-

Ben




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68779 From: mike boyd Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: Hot Stuff- Royal Blue
I had an E unit short out once, only after it warmed up. I bypassed it, it was in the tender, a bit easier then the engine mounted one, and the engine ran fine, Same symptom, running just fine the slow down till headlight went dim, and got hot. Replaced it and wala, ran great. good luck, Mike  

--- On Wed, 3/14/12, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote:


From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Hot Stuff- Royal Blue
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 6:55 AM


My #350 Royal Blue engine was purchased many years ago in a junk lot at auction. It needed new tender-to-loco wires, eccentric linkage, and cleaning, but performed pretty well.

She squeals sometimes upon start up until warm even though she is properly lubricated.

I notice lately that after running for about 10 minutes pulling a modest consist, it begins to slow down noticeably. It will get to the point that it almost crawls at full throttle.

Feeling the cab, the motor is hot and the e-unit lever protruding from the boiler is hot as well. Seems I have some unwanted resistance in the system. Any ideas on what to look for?

I am leaning toward a DC can motor conversion...I have them ready and waiting

Thanks-

Ben



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68780 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
The market place, is the best judge. If it is still being marketed then
their are fans of whatever type.
This is why if you buy & try mine, and don't like it, you get ALL of your
$$ back. That includes shipping. Mike


In a message dated 3/14/2012 5:12:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
barnabusxx@... writes:




What may be the best referee in this "competition" of smoke oils is to run
each sample in an FTIR instrument to analyze the components that make up
each oil. An FTIR can scan and show all of the individual organic
components and the percentage of each. I can have the scans ran if you would like
as I am friends with the chemists at my former work place (Kodak) where I
worked for 32.5 years in Analytical Services. Contact me off list if anyone
is interested.
Ed Musil

________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <_mlmarmer@..._
(mailto:mlmarmer@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid. LVTS



It seems that every smoke fluid on the market claims to be just like the
original from A C Gilbert.

And this not a dig at anyone person.

So, just like they have Chili Cook offs, I say lets have a Smoke Fluid
Competition smell off.

Now how to get all the brands on the market together with a group of
judges.

LOL

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68781 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas

I will not trade anything for  ANormal 1 smoke fluid. I get tired just waiting for it to run out so I can reload my smoke.
�Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid. LVTS



 

The market place, is the best judge. If it is still being marketed then
their are fans of whatever type.
This is why if you buy & try mine, and don't like it, you get ALL of your
$$ back. That includes shipping. Mike


In a message dated 3/14/2012 5:12:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
barnabusxx@... writes:

What may be the best referee in this "competition" of smoke oils is to run
each sample in an FTIR instrument to analyze the components that make up
each oil. An FTIR can scan and show all of the individual organic
components and the percentage of each. I can have the scans ran if you would like
as I am friends with the chemists at my former work place (Kodak) where I
worked for 32.5 years in Analytical Services. Contact me off list if anyone
is interested.
Ed Musil

________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <_mlmarmer@..._
(mailto:mlmarmer@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid. LVTS

It seems that every smoke fluid on the market claims to be just like the
original from A C Gilbert.

And this not a dig at anyone person.

So, just like they have Chili Cook offs, I say lets have a Smoke Fluid
Competition smell off.

Now how to get all the brands on the market together with a group of
judges.

LOL

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68782 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: About Odd Characters In Emails.
There's the answer, so let it go.
 
jfred


________________________________
From: piccu56 <piccu56@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:25 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: About Odd Characters In Emails.



 

This is caused by Character Encoding within different E-Mail programs.

Read this and try to make sense of it, it answers the question of why.

http://ask-leo.com/why_do_i_get_odd_characters_instead_of_quotes_in_my_documents.html

Those computer savvy enough can set their e-Mail settings to eliminate the problem.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68783 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: LVTS Smoke fluid et.al
All smoke fluids should be stored upright in their bottles. Every one I
have seen will erode the rubber of the dropper eventually. The LVTS is no
better or worse than most. This that I have has been on my cabinet shelf for at
least 13 years without any sign of dropper deterioration. For anyone
interested I'll take $6 a bottle plus shipping (USPS won't allow it). It needs
to go UPS or Fedex.
Steve SnS Trains





(http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiN2c0M2d2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMzMTc2OTE0MA--
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68784 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Mike,



A smell-off competition, huh?



I don't know who you would get to judge that, but for some strange reason
all I can picture in my mind is a bunch of old hippies running after a Flyer
while trying to get a hit off the smoke coming up the stack.



ROFLMHO



Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:34 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid. LVTS


It seems that every smoke fluid on the market claims to be just like the
original from A C Gilbert.

And this not a dig at anyone person.

So, just like they have Chili Cook offs, I say lets have a Smoke Fluid
Competition smell off.

Now how to get all the brands on the market together with a group of judges.

LOL

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68785 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: LVTS Smoke fluid et.al
Steve,

I have some small bottles of Super Smoke from 1993!

Standing upright and still find.

Bob Board did tell me the fluid will not break down.

The Rubber tip for the dropper has aged, but I will pour these little bottles into a big bottle I got from him at York in this century.

Mike
From: boss31@...
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:40 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] LVTS Smoke fluid et.al


All smoke fluids should be stored upright in their bottles. Every one I
have seen will erode the rubber of the dropper eventually. The LVTS is no
better or worse than most. This that I have has been on my cabinet shelf for at
least 13 years without any sign of dropper deterioration. For anyone
interested I'll take $6 a bottle plus shipping (USPS won't allow it). It needs
to go UPS or Fedex.
Steve SnS Trains





(http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiN2c0M2d2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMzMTc2OTE0MA--
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68786 From: alsflyer Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: National S Gauge Day
Remember that National S Gauge Day is this Friday, 3/16.

Let's all celebrate by running our trains and enjoying the sounds of American Flyer rolling stock clickety-clacking down the track and those wonderful engines puffing smoke all over the house.

Al
Group: S-Trains Message: 68787 From: rick gough Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Shouldn't be too difficult to get several samples to Ed. noLOLing....
 
rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68788 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Jerry,

You have a great sense of humor.

Too funny.

I did tell Linda once I could sit on the steps outside to test smoke units and see the reaction, but I keep burning up the wicks. LOL

Mike

From: Gerald Feldman
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:17 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid. LVTS


Mike,

A smell-off competition, huh?

I don't know who you would get to judge that, but for some strange reason
all I can picture in my mind is a bunch of old hippies running after a Flyer
while trying to get a hit off the smoke coming up the stack.

ROFLMHO

Jerry F.

From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:34 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid. LVTS

It seems that every smoke fluid on the market claims to be just like the
original from A C Gilbert.

And this not a dig at anyone person.

So, just like they have Chili Cook offs, I say lets have a Smoke Fluid
Competition smell off.

Now how to get all the brands on the market together with a group of judges.

LOL

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68789 From: Frank Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: National S Gauge Day
Smoke n choo choo all the way !

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 15, 2012, at 3:14 AM, "alsflyer" <alsflyer@...> wrote:

> Remember that National S Gauge Day is this Friday, 3/16.
>
> Let's all celebrate by running our trains and enjoying the sounds of American Flyer rolling stock clickety-clacking down the track and those wonderful engines puffing smoke all over the house.
>
> Al
>
>
>
>
> TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo!
> Top banker rips firm in public resignation
> A Goldman Sachs trader says the company put profits before clients' interests.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68790 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: National S Gauge Day
Run one for me - I'm on travel.


On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:32 AM, Frank <femiro2002@...> wrote:

> Smoke n choo choo all the way !
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 15, 2012, at 3:14 AM, "alsflyer" <alsflyer@...> wrote:
>
> > Remember that National S Gauge Day is this Friday, 3/16.
> >
> > Let's all celebrate by running our trains and enjoying the sounds of American Flyer rolling stock clickety-clacking down the track and those wonderful engines puffing smoke all over the house.
> >
> > Al

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68791 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Smoke Fluid Smell Test
Hi All,

Mike's smell test reminds me of a job I had around 1980 for a major chemical company. We had a production scale gas chromatograph for separating menthol from other organic chemicals. For those of you familiar with lab scale GCs this one was about 20' x 20' x 8' tall. At that time menthol was used in cigarettes. Even though the menthol was separated using an extremely precise piece of equipment, the final quality control was several blind people who judged the purity of the menthol based on smell. If we could find one of those people with a calibrated nose they could be the smoke test judge.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68792 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: LVTS Smoke fluid et.al
Ahhhhh, I meant to write “still fine!”

Sorry, I will have grammar problems all my life.

I do re read these, but still goof up.

I even took a Neurology test on this last month, really.

Mike

From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:08 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LVTS Smoke fluid et.al



Steve,

I have some small bottles of Super Smoke from 1993!

Standing upright and still find.

Bob Board did tell me the fluid will not break down.

The Rubber tip for the dropper has aged, but I will pour these little bottles into a big bottle I got from him at York in this century.

Mike
From: mailto:boss31%40aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:40 AM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] LVTS Smoke fluid et.al

All smoke fluids should be stored upright in their bottles. Every one I
have seen will erode the rubber of the dropper eventually. The LVTS is no
better or worse than most. This that I have has been on my cabinet shelf for at
least 13 years without any sign of dropper deterioration. For anyone
interested I'll take $6 a bottle plus shipping (USPS won't allow it). It needs
to go UPS or Fedex.
Steve SnS Trains

(http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiN2c0M2d2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMzMTc2OTE0MA--
)

.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68793 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: About Odd Characters In Emails.
From: Alan Lambert
 
JFred,
Well said.
      Thank you,
                        Alan


________________________________
From: JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: About Odd Characters In Emails.



 

There's the answer, so let it go.
 
jfred


________________________________
From: piccu56 <piccu56@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:25 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: About Odd Characters In Emails.


 

This is caused by Character Encoding within different E-Mail programs.

Read this and try to make sense of it, it answers the question of why.

http://ask-leo.com/why_do_i_get_odd_characters_instead_of_quotes_in_my_documents.html

Those computer savvy enough can set their e-Mail settings to eliminate the problem.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68794 From: Bob Moyer Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: AF HO
To All:

I was perusing around a antiques mall in North Georgia. I travel a lot with
my job so it gives me something to do. Sometimes Flyer items do turn up. No
S Flyer this time but a possible Flyer HO. It's a streamlined observation
B&O. It looks like a smaller copy of the S observation even down to the
people in the windows. No AF markings anywhere though. I don't know the AF
HO line at all. Any help in identifying and estimated value? No box but it
looks good. Any help would be appreciated.

I get AF stuff this way once in a while. The last was in Des Moines. The
best was in Hancock MD a few years ago. Found a GN Fatboy Diesel (these
fatboys have to be the ugliest thing Flyer ever built) with three cars and
some pikemaster track. Price $85.00, took it up front and found it was 15%
off day!

Regards

Bob Moyer


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68795 From: DennisC Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Let's hope no one has an emergency and accidentially passes gas. Adds a whole new meaning to the Smell Off competition. Let's laugh Guys !!!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Feldman" <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
>
>
> A smell-off competition, huh?
>
>
>
> I don't know who you would get to judge that, but for some strange reason
> all I can picture in my mind is a bunch of old hippies running after a Flyer
> while trying to get a hit off the smoke coming up the stack.
>
>
>
> ROFLMHO
>
>
>
> Jerry F.
>
>
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Michael & Linda Marmer
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:34 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid. LVTS
>
>
> It seems that every smoke fluid on the market claims to be just like the
> original from A C Gilbert.
>
> And this not a dig at anyone person.
>
> So, just like they have Chili Cook offs, I say lets have a Smoke Fluid
> Competition smell off.
>
> Now how to get all the brands on the market together with a group of judges.
>
> LOL
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68796 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Smoke Odor vs. Volume
The perfect nose for smoke odor testing would be my wife! Probably yours too! Yet Cindy will gag me with the stench of decorating her fingernails and doesn't find that chemical smell a problem at all!
Unless the smoke is really offensive, like some of the scented varieties that didn't quite work out, I have no problem with the odor and am more interested in smoke yield. Some brands just smell better to me than others, and because I grew up with the old Flyer smoke, I may prejudiced to that odor.
The MTH fan type smoke units and the Seuthe pot and element type units are very particular about the fluid formulas used, so they wouldn't be good for testing odor or volume of an number of brands.
The old Flyer wick and element system with the Choo-choo piston to puff the smoke and make sound is eligant in it's simplicity and great smoke volume. Of course, the MTH fan units will out produce them for smoke volume and sound, but are much more complicated with the electronics.
However, when you can set off Smoke Alarms it's time to say "enough." One old Flyer steamer can do that in one room quickly enough that I take the battery out of the alarm. Good thing I don't have an alarm system that automatically calls Police or Fire Departments as sometimes I forget to pop the battery! :-)
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68797 From: Frank Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF HO
Read the chassis and it should say Gilbert or if not it might say Mantua.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 15, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Bob Moyer <romoyer1@...> wrote:

> To All:
>
> I was perusing around a antiques mall in North Georgia. I travel a lot with
> my job so it gives me something to do. Sometimes Flyer items do turn up. No
> S Flyer this time but a possible Flyer HO. It's a streamlined observation
> B&O. It looks like a smaller copy of the S observation even down to the
> people in the windows. No AF markings anywhere though. I don't know the AF
> HO line at all. Any help in identifying and estimated value? No box but it
> looks good. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> I get AF stuff this way once in a while. The last was in Des Moines. The
> best was in Hancock MD a few years ago. Found a GN Fatboy Diesel (these
> fatboys have to be the ugliest thing Flyer ever built) with three cars and
> some pikemaster track. Price $85.00, took it up front and found it was 15%
> off day!
>
> Regards
>
> Bob Moyer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo!
> How to fight the rising cost of airfare
> Travelers should readjust their price expectations and be more flexible when planning their trips.
> Privacy Policy

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68798 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas
Hey, howbout� Essents of Old Farts. Or�from where I am� Essents of Bull S**T . We have alot of that around hear to step in when youare not watching were you step. Is this fun enough.
Thanks,
Alan
Now you know why we say Cowtown down here.


________________________________
From: DennisC <yorktown26@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:35 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS




Let's hope no one has an emergency and accidentially passes gas. Adds a whole new meaning to the Smell Off competition. Let's laugh Guys !!!
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68799 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Smoke unit wire
Does anyone know the correct gauge/ ohms per foot for the nichrome wire used in AF smoke units? 
ThanksNeil

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68800 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF HO
Bob, if it is silver with a blue stripe it is Tyco/Mantua.

Harwood



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Moyer <romoyer1@...>
To: s-trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 15, 2012 3:07 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] AF HO




To All:

I was perusing around a antiques mall in North Georgia. I travel a lot with
my job so it gives me something to do. Sometimes Flyer items do turn up. No
S Flyer this time but a possible Flyer HO. It's a streamlined observation
B&O. It looks like a smaller copy of the S observation even down to the
people in the windows. No AF markings anywhere though. I don't know the AF
HO line at all. Any help in identifying and estimated value? No box but it
looks good. Any help would be appreciated.

I get AF stuff this way once in a while. The last was in Des Moines. The
best was in Hancock MD a few years ago. Found a GN Fatboy Diesel (these
fatboys have to be the ugliest thing Flyer ever built) with three cars and
some pikemaster track. Price $85.00, took it up front and found it was 15%
off day!

Regards

Bob Moyer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68801 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke unit wire
I use 40 gauge nichrome.

I use a 30 ohm piece if wired across the brushes (4 wire version)
Or a 40 ohm piece if wired across the track voltage (5 wire version)

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of NEIL FERRIS
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:06 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke unit wire



Does anyone know the correct gauge/ ohms per foot for the nichrome wire
used in AF smoke units?
ThanksNeil

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68802 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF HO
I'm not aware of any B&O streamline cars made and marketed by Gilbert.
I think it is most likely Tyco. Count the wide windows and if it has 7
it could be made by Gilbert for Tyco. Other Tyco cars have fewer
windows. In 1959, Gilbert made longer passenger cars for Tyco, while
they were re-tooling from metal to plastic cars. Mantua Tyco made the
HO frontiersman sets that were marketed that year by Gilbert, using
their General Locomotive and cars, but letter FY&P like the S gauge
version. For more info on Gilbert HO see my Gilbert HO Index website,
www.gilbertho.org.

Dale Smith

On 3/15/2012 12:20 PM, Frank wrote:
>
> Read the chassis and it should say Gilbert or if not it might say Mantua.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 15, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Bob Moyer <romoyer1@...
> <mailto:romoyer1%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > To All:
> >
> > I was perusing around a antiques mall in North Georgia. I travel a
> lot with
> > my job so it gives me something to do. Sometimes Flyer items do turn
> up. No
> > S Flyer this time but a possible Flyer HO. It's a streamlined
> observation
> > B&O. It looks like a smaller copy of the S observation even down to the
> > people in the windows. No AF markings anywhere though. I don't know
> the AF
> > HO line at all. Any help in identifying and estimated value? No box
> but it
> > looks good. Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> > I get AF stuff this way once in a while. The last was in Des Moines. The
> > best was in Hancock MD a few years ago. Found a GN Fatboy Diesel (these
> > fatboys have to be the ugliest thing Flyer ever built) with three
> cars and
> > some pikemaster track. Price $85.00, took it up front and found it
> was 15%
> > off day!
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Bob Moyer
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo!
> > How to fight the rising cost of airfare
> > Travelers should readjust their price expectations and be more
> flexible when planning their trips.
> > Privacy Policy
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68803 From: Timboy Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke Odor vs. Volume
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> The perfect nose for smoke odor testing would be my wife! Probably yours too! Yet Cindy will gag me with the stench of decorating her fingernails and doesn't find that chemical smell a problem at all!
> Unless the smoke is really offensive, like some of the scented varieties that didn't quite work out, I have no problem with the odor and am more interested in smoke yield. Some brands just smell better to me than others, and because I grew up with the old Flyer smoke, I may prejudiced to that odor.
> The MTH fan type smoke units and the Seuthe pot and element type units are very particular about the fluid formulas used, so they wouldn't be good for testing odor or volume of an number of brands.
> The old Flyer wick and element system with the Choo-choo piston to puff the smoke and make sound is eligant in it's simplicity and great smoke volume. Of course, the MTH fan units will out produce them for smoke volume and sound, but are much more complicated with the electronics.
> However, when you can set off Smoke Alarms it's time to say "enough." One old Flyer steamer can do that in one room quickly enough that I take the battery out of the alarm. Good thing I don't have an alarm system that automatically calls Police or Fire Departments as sometimes I forget to pop the battery! :-)
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Guys,

Be glad there aren't more women interedted in toy trains that "smoke", or they would be filling smoke units with that stinky eucalyptus oil and have our train rooms smelling like a sauna room at the local YMCA. Lol I'm just kidding.

-Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68804 From: rick gough Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Liquid THC with a hint of Cedarwood ..... I would have done that back in the day for sure!
 
rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68805 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: American Flyer sort-of Advertisement
Intro: I am the web master for a local model railroad store. Today I was
asked to add some American Flyer consignment items they had received.

Disclaimer: Although I'm paid for the web site work, I do not directly
benefit from the sales of the items. The store is not aware I am posting
this.

Note: Please direct all questions to the store (see About Us topic for
contact info); I do not know anything about the items.


I'm just passing this along as a for-your-information. You can see the
list and photos on this page:

http://www.papabens.com/Consignments.htm#s

For those of you who are interested in other classic toy trains, they
also have Marx and Lionel consignment items.

http://www.papabens.com/Consignments.htm#o
http://www.papabens.com/Lionel.htm

I hope this posting did not offend anyone, and that it is helpful to
some of you.

Enjoy,
-Peter.

--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
http://nasg.org/
--


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68806 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Smoke odor vs. Volume
WAY back, guys in HO scale in my Dad's model railroad club used to make non-smoking trains smoke by cutting little pieces of incense and burning them in the stack. This was in the days when boilers were cast pot metal and was even written up in Model Railroader magazine. It later appeared in their Hints & Tricks books for a while.
For a child in the fifties incense was an exotic but pungent smell, far worse that playing with my American Flyer.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68807 From: americanflyer1953 Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke unit wire
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, NEIL FERRIS <bowlsalot2@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know the correct gauge/ ohms per foot for the nichrome wire used in AF smoke units? 
> ThanksNeil
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


Hope this helps!

http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic1.htm


Good luck, Ray
Group: S-Trains Message: 68808 From: Rich Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: Re: American Flyer sort-of Advertisement
Peter -- thanks for the posting. Two of the listings aren't S-scale/S-gauge. The N & W J class streamlined steam loco (#746) is Lionel O-gauge, not S. Unfortunately, neither Gilbert nor Lionel/Flyer offered that loco in S. Also, a close look shows it sitting on three-rail track... The other listing - for the three passenger train cars - is, in fact, pre-war American Flyer 3/16 O-gauge. These cars were approximately 3/16 scale - meaning S - but the trucks were sized to run on the O-gauge track that Flyer used before WWII. So they aren't really S-gauge, though some folks have replaced the trucks with S-gauge trucks and have used them with AF equipment.

FYI,
Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Peter Vanvliet <groups@...> wrote:
>
> Intro: I am the web master for a local model railroad store. Today I was
> asked to add some American Flyer consignment items they had received.
>
> Disclaimer: Although I'm paid for the web site work, I do not directly
> benefit from the sales of the items. The store is not aware I am posting
> this.
>
> Note: Please direct all questions to the store (see About Us topic for
> contact info); I do not know anything about the items.
>
>
> I'm just passing this along as a for-your-information. You can see the
> list and photos on this page:
>
> http://www.papabens.com/Consignments.htm#s
>
> For those of you who are interested in other classic toy trains, they
> also have Marx and Lionel consignment items.
>
> http://www.papabens.com/Consignments.htm#o
> http://www.papabens.com/Lionel.htm
>
> I hope this posting did not offend anyone, and that it is helpful to
> some of you.
>
> Enjoy,
> -Peter.
>
> --
> Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
> Houston, Texas
>
> http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
> http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
> http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
> http://nasg.org/
> --
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68809 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/15/2012
Subject: S guage doodlebug
All,

On the scale group they have had a pole up to see what they want.The fun part is that it will haveBlack Beetle truckswith the ption for Highrail wheels. We should see that pole listed over here soon. sounds good to me.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 68810 From: Timboy Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke odor vs. Volume
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> WAY back, guys in HO scale in my Dad's model railroad club used to make non-smoking trains smoke by cutting little pieces of incense and burning them in the stack. This was in the days when boilers were cast pot metal and was even written up in Model Railroader magazine. It later appeared in their Hints & Tricks books for a while.
> For a child in the fifties incense was an exotic but pungent smell, far worse that playing with my American Flyer.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Stumpy,

That's interesting! The smoke from burning incense truly was smoke, unlike the vaporized oil that we call now "smoke".

Among all the other hats you wear, you are also an historian!

Now, let's not all go nuts here and start putting that stinky potpourri oil in the smoke box! Lol

OBTW, there is a new group called "Lionel-Flyer". It's an un-moderated Forum for discussion of all that is American Flyer - produced by Lionel or on our "wish-list" for Lionel to produce. Anyone can join and it's un-moderated, so anyone can post whatever is on their minds, nice or naughty. Lol Here's a link to it:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lionel-Flyer/

Have fun!

-Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68811 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: About smoke fluid. LVTS
Rick,



Well, that certainly gives a new meaning to the term "Hi Rail". (LOL)



Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of rick gough
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:19 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] About smoke fluid. LVTS





Liquid THC with a hint of Cedarwood ..... I would have done that back in the
day for sure!

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68812 From: Gerry Siegel Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: S guage doodlebug
Yeah, but they couldn't make up their minds as to what they wanted.
Gerry

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68813 From: David Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: AF Depressed Center FC, C&NW Decal Set (Advertisement)
We now have a THREE CAR SET OF C&NW DECALS for your AF #636 / 936
depressed center flat cars. The numbers are #25001,25003,25005. They
come in WHITE ($15.99 per set) and BLACK ($9.99 per set).
This is sure to brighten up your rolling stock fleet and will be
one of your favorite cars at your next club meetings operating session.

To view or purchase go to our web site at:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html>

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68814 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: American Flyer sort-of Advertisement
Confused.

They (I presume the store) asked you to post but are unaware of it?

Roy



From: Peter Vanvliet <groups@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:54:49 -0500
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer sort-of Advertisement






Intro: I am the web master for a local model railroad store. Today I was
asked to add some American Flyer consignment items they had received.

Disclaimer: Although I'm paid for the web site work, I do not directly
benefit from the sales of the items. The store is not aware I am posting
this.

Note: Please direct all questions to the store (see About Us topic for
contact info); I do not know anything about the items.

I'm just passing this along as a for-your-information. You can see the
list and photos on this page:

http://www.papabens.com/Consignments.htm#s

For those of you who are interested in other classic toy trains, they
also have Marx and Lionel consignment items.

http://www.papabens.com/Consignments.htm#o
http://www.papabens.com/Lionel.htm

I hope this posting did not offend anyone, and that it is helpful to
some of you.

Enjoy,
-Peter.

--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@... <mailto:peter%40fourthray.com> )
Houston, Texas

http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
http://nasg.org/
--

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68815 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: American Flyer sort-of Advertisement
Rich-

Look again. The listing is for a Lionel HALLMARK reproduction and may
indeed be about S Scale size. I've seen another one and they are certainly
bigger than HO. And yes,

It comes with a 3 rail display track. It is a static model, probably mostly
diecast metal.

Charlie Vlk

Peter -- thanks for the posting. Two of the listings aren't S-scale/S-gauge.
The N & W J class streamlined steam loco (#746) is Lionel O-gauge, not S.
Unfortunately, neither Gilbert nor Lionel/Flyer offered that loco in S.
Also, a close look shows it sitting on three-rail track... The other listing
- for the three passenger train cars - is, in fact, pre-war American Flyer
3/16 O-gauge. These cars were approximately 3/16 scale - meaning S - but the
trucks were sized to run on the O-gauge track that Flyer used before WWII.
So they aren't really S-gauge, though some folks have replaced the trucks
with S-gauge trucks and have used them with AF equipment.

FYI,
Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Peter
Vanvliet <groups@...> wrote:
>
> Intro: I am the web master for a local model railroad store. Today I was
> asked to add some American Flyer consignment items they had received.
>
> Disclaimer: Although I'm paid for the web site work, I do not directly
> benefit from the sales of the items. The store is not aware I am posting
> this.
>
> Note: Please direct all questions to the store (see About Us topic for
> contact info); I do not know anything about the items.
>
>
> I'm just passing this along as a for-your-information. You can see the
> list and photos on this page:
>
> http://www.papabens.com/Consignments.htm#s
>
> For those of you who are interested in other classic toy trains, they
> also have Marx and Lionel consignment items.
>
> http://www.papabens.com/Consignments.htm#o
> http://www.papabens.com/Lionel.htm
>
> I hope this posting did not offend anyone, and that it is helpful to
> some of you.
>
> Enjoy,
> -Peter.
>
> --
> Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
> Houston, Texas
>
> http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
> http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
> http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
> http://nasg.org/
> --
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68816 From: Ron Inscho Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: American Flyer sort-of Advertisement
I had some of these , they are closer to OO like lionel Pre war OO
----- Original Message -----
From: Charlie Vlk
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: American Flyer sort-of Advertisement



Rich-

Look again. The listing is for a Lionel HALLMARK reproduction and may
indeed be about S Scale size. I've seen another one and they are certainly
bigger than HO.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68817 From: johntech Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: S guage doodlebug
Hey Gerry

How is the motor car project coming along? Anything in S yet??

John


----- Original Message -----
From: Gerry Siegel
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:07 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S guage doodlebug



Yeah, but they couldn't make up their minds as to what they wanted.
Gerry

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68818 From: Timboy Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: New Group
Hey everyone,

Since I recently saw posts about other groups on this list, I figured it would be okay to mention a new group. It's called Lionel-Flyer and it's for discussion of all the American Flyer things that Lionel is producing. Anyone can join and the List is un-moderated (no profanity allowed). Here's a link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lionel-Flyer/

Hope to see you there!

Regards,
Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68819 From: rick gough Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke odor vs. Volume
I'm thinking these kids of the '50s were set right up for a natural graduation from incense to combining it with THC in the '60's!
 
rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68820 From: frank emiro Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
I just signed up. Thx for this info,

Frank R. EMIRO


________________________________
From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 3:34 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] New Group



 

Hey everyone,

Since I recently saw posts about other groups on this list, I figured it would be okay to mention a new group. It's called Lionel-Flyer and it's for discussion of all the American Flyer things that Lionel is producing. Anyone can join and the List is un-moderated (no profanity allowed). Here's a link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lionel-Flyer/

Hope to see you there!

Regards,
Timboy




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68821 From: Brady Burdge Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: RailPictures.Net Photo: NS 8098 Norfolk Southern GE ES44AC at Altoon
Conrail 8098, Norfolk Southern's first heritage locomotive, poses at the
shop in Altoona


http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=392356



Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 68822 From: emmersmom1950 Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Newbie needs a lot of help
Hello everyone,
I am hoping to get information to help me find a train set for my hubby just like the one he had as a boy. From the pictures I have shown him I think his set looked like the 4611. He thinks it had smoke and a whistle in the engine. It would have been purchased probably between 1946 and 1951. Any idea where to find this and how much I should expect to pay for a nice looking set?

Also, he said his dad had very detailed buildings that came in kits that he assembled every Christmas. Does anyone have thoughts on what these kits might be and where to locate them? I know absolutely nothing about American fliers; the little info I have given here I learned in the last 2 days on the Internet. Thanks in advance, Sue
Group: S-Trains Message: 68823 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Lionel Circus cars
The following two Ringling Bros. circus cars are for sale. Please contact me
off list if interested. I only get the digest so direct contact is faster.
Both are new in package, never opened.

a) 1 circus combine - $70 plus $10 shipping.
b) 1 circus bay window caboose - $60 plus $10 shipping.
Both for $120 plus $10 shipping.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 68824 From: americanflyer1953 Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "emmersmom1950" <emmersmom1950@...> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
> I am hoping to get information to help me find a train set for my hubby just like the one he had as a boy. From the pictures I have shown him I think his set looked like the 4611. He thinks it had smoke and a whistle in the engine. It would have been purchased probably between 1946 and 1951. Any idea where to find this and how much I should expect to pay for a nice looking set?
>
> Also, he said his dad had very detailed buildings that came in kits that he assembled every Christmas. Does anyone have thoughts on what these kits might be and where to locate them? I know absolutely nothing about American fliers; the little info I have given here I learned in the last 2 days on the Internet. Thanks in advance, Sue
>
Maybe this might help. As far as price goes my suggestion would be check out ebay. you might need to build it one piece at a time. Good luck.
Ray

http://myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1946Catalog/AF_1946_catalog_page14.htm
Group: S-Trains Message: 68825 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
The 4611 Trains set sold in 1946, 1947 and 1949. Came with a 322 Hudson Smoke in Tender, 716 Dump Car, 634 Searchlight car, 629 MP stock car and 630 Readings Caboose with track in 1946 & 1947 and with a 322AC Hudson Smoke in Boiler in 1949.
Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: emmersmom1950 <emmersmom1950@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:28 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help


 
Hello everyone,
I am hoping to get information to help me find a train set for my hubby just like the one he had as a boy. From the pictures I have shown him I think his set looked like the 4611. He thinks it had smoke and a whistle in the engine. It would have been purchased probably between 1946 and 1951. Any idea where to find this and how much I should expect to pay for a nice looking set?

Also, he said his dad had very detailed buildings that came in kits that he assembled every Christmas. Does anyone have thoughts on what these kits might be and where to locate them? I know absolutely nothing about American fliers; the little info I have given here I learned in the last 2 days on the Internet. Thanks in advance, Sue




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68826 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Tom, I think the 48-49 set was the 4611-A with the 322AC SIB. I have that
set, Mike


In a message dated 3/16/2012 8:22:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
trainsandhobbies@... writes:




The 4611 Trains set sold in 1946, 1947 and 1949. Came with a 322 Hudson
Smoke in Tender, 716 Dump Car, 634 Searchlight car, 629 MP stock car and 630
Readings Caboose with track in 1946 & 1947 and with a 322AC Hudson Smoke in
Boiler in 1949.
Tom Seccia

________________________________
From: emmersmom1950 <_emmersmom1950@..._
(mailto:emmersmom1950@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:28 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help



Hello everyone,
I am hoping to get information to help me find a train set for my hubby
just like the one he had as a boy. From the pictures I have shown him I think
his set looked like the 4611. He thinks it had smoke and a whistle in the
engine. It would have been purchased probably between 1946 and 1951. Any
idea where to find this and how much I should expect to pay for a nice
looking set?

Also, he said his dad had very detailed buildings that came in kits that
he assembled every Christmas. Does anyone have thoughts on what these kits
might be and where to locate them? I know absolutely nothing about American
fliers; the little info I have given here I learned in the last 2 days on
the Internet. Thanks in advance, Sue

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68827 From: Gerry Siegel Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: S guage doodlebug
John,
We are nearly ready to start making the speeder in O. We have a couple of bugs to work out. The trailer master is done and the photoetched brass cab is nearly ready to go. We are working on the base and motor mount. Once we have it where we wanted it we plan to scale everything down and do it in S. I will say that so far it is a cute looking bugger that should go well on any layout.
Gerry

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68828 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: S guage doodlebug
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer club
� Fort Worth, Texas(Home)
Gerry,
Thanks for the update. I am looking forward to the speeder in "S" . Will Probably get one when they are available. Keep us updated.
Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: Gerry Siegel <cgsiegel@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 7:55 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S guage doodlebug



 

John,
We are nearly ready to start making the speeder in O. We have a couple of bugs to work out. The trailer master is done and the photoetched brass cab is nearly ready to go. We are working on the base and motor mount. Once we have it where we wanted it we plan to scale everything down and do it in S. I will say that so far it is a cute looking bugger that should go well on any layout.
Gerry

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68829 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Circus cars
The combine is spoken for.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote:
>
> The following two Ringling Bros. circus cars are for sale. Please contact me
> off list if interested. I only get the digest so direct contact is faster.
> Both are new in package, never opened.
>
> a) 1 circus combine - $70 plus $10 shipping.
> b) 1 circus bay window caboose - $60 plus $10 shipping.
> Both for $120 plus $10 shipping.
>
> Wayne
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68830 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Hi Mike,
� I believe you are correct. The set number was 4611A with a 322AC.  There was no 322AC in 1948.

Tom Seccia


________________________________
From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help


 
Tom, I think the 48-49 set was the 4611-A with the 322AC SIB. I have that
set, Mike


In a message dated 3/16/2012 8:22:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
trainsandhobbies@... writes:

The 4611 Trains set sold in 1946, 1947 and 1949. Came with a 322 Hudson
Smoke in Tender, 716 Dump Car, 634 Searchlight car, 629 MP stock car and 630
Readings Caboose with track in 1946 & 1947 and with a 322AC Hudson Smoke in
Boiler in 1949.
Tom Seccia

________________________________
From: emmersmom1950 <_emmersmom1950@..._
(mailto:emmersmom1950@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:28 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help

Hello everyone,
I am hoping to get information to help me find a train set for my hubby
just like the one he had as a boy. From the pictures I have shown him I think
his set looked like the 4611. He thinks it had smoke and a whistle in the
engine. It would have been purchased probably between 1946 and 1951. Any
idea where to find this and how much I should expect to pay for a nice
looking set?

Also, he said his dad had very detailed buildings that came in kits that
he assembled every Christmas. Does anyone have thoughts on what these kits
might be and where to locate them? I know absolutely nothing about American
fliers; the little info I have given here I learned in the last 2 days on
the Internet. Thanks in advance, Sue

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68831 From: Al Baker Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
I thought Lionel- American Flyer was covered in S-Trains. Do we really need another group??
Al Baker



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> Since I recently saw posts about other groups on this list, I figured it would be okay to mention a new group. It's called Lionel-Flyer and it's for discussion of all the American Flyer things that Lionel is producing. Anyone can join and the List is un-moderated (no profanity allowed). Here's a link:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lionel-Flyer/
>
> Hope to see you there!
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68832 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
The T&M guide lists it as 48-49. it holds the same years in all editions.
Mike


In a message dated 3/17/2012 10:22:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
trainsandhobbies@... writes:




Hi Mike,
I believe you are correct. The set number was 4611A with a 322AC. There
was no 322AC in 1948.

Tom Seccia

________________________________
From: "_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) " <_anormal1@..._
(mailto:anormal1@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help



Tom, I think the 48-49 set was the 4611-A with the 322AC SIB. I have that
set, Mike

In a message dated 3/16/2012 8:22:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
_trainsandhobbies@..._ (mailto:trainsandhobbies@...) writes:

The 4611 Trains set sold in 1946, 1947 and 1949. Came with a 322 Hudson
Smoke in Tender, 716 Dump Car, 634 Searchlight car, 629 MP stock car and
630
Readings Caboose with track in 1946 & 1947 and with a 322AC Hudson Smoke
in
Boiler in 1949.
Tom Seccia

________________________________
From: emmersmom1950 <__emmersmom1950@..._
(mailto:_emmersmom1950@...) _
(mailto:_emmersmom1950@..._ (mailto:emmersmom1950@...) ) >
To: __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _
(mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) )
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:28 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help

Hello everyone,
I am hoping to get information to help me find a train set for my hubby
just like the one he had as a boy. From the pictures I have shown him I
think
his set looked like the 4611. He thinks it had smoke and a whistle in the
engine. It would have been purchased probably between 1946 and 1951. Any
idea where to find this and how much I should expect to pay for a nice
looking set?

Also, he said his dad had very detailed buildings that came in kits that
he assembled every Christmas. Does anyone have thoughts on what these kits

might be and where to locate them? I know absolutely nothing about
American
fliers; the little info I have given here I learned in the last 2 days on
the Internet. Thanks in advance, Sue

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68833 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Hey, why not? The more the merrier. ...Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68834 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer club

Stumpy,
I agree with you. At least we are getting the message out. Some list members get grumpy at what we say. Scale guys are #1 on my list of grumpy old men. Now backto my kit building.  I am reading the insruction book from my Water tower from Altoona Model works. Great indepth instruction book.
Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: New Group



 

Hey, why not? The more the merrier. ...Stumpy




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68835 From: Al Baker Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
I guess I'm missing something.

We have many times talked about Lionel-American Flyer on S-Trains. Nothing is the S-Trains description on the Home page makes it inappropriate. Lionel-American Flyer is part of our American Flyer universe. Do we need a group for every aspect of it?

Let's see, we could have one for freight trains, one for passenger, one for steam, and another for diesel. Where does it end?

Help me understand.
Al Baker



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
>   Lone Star Flyer club
>  
> Stumpy,
> I agree with you. At least we are getting the message out. Some list members get grumpy at what we say. Scale guys are #1 on my list of grumpy old men. Now backto my kit building.  I am reading the insruction book from my Water tower from Altoona Model works. Great indepth instruction book.
> Thanks,
>   Alan
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:27 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: New Group
>
>
>
>  
>
> Hey, why not? The more the merrier. ...Stumpy
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68836 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
one for smoke fluid....

On Mar 17, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Al Baker wrote:

> I guess I'm missing something.
>
> ....Where does it end?
>
> Help me understand.
> Al Baker
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68837 From: Timboy Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Hi Al,

The S-Trains List is a great general discussion forum for S-gauge trains; none better. The reason I started the Lionel-Flyer group was because I saw a lot of Lionel-Flyer talk on this group and thought that yes - it warranted it's own group. I think the very same thing could be said about the discussion on "Flyer Trains on eBay" and it was a coin-toss for me as to which splinter group to try and start. I imagine some guys would have wanted me to start up the other group and hope that eBay talk would go away on this list. lol Anyone can start a group on Yahoo. So there is no stopping anyone from creating a "Flyer Trains on eBay" group or any other group one wishes.

Here's a link to the new group if you wish to be in on it from the first:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lionel-Flyer/

Membership is open, so anyone can join and the group is un-moderated.

You are always free to choose where you wish to discuss Lionel-Flyer Trains.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:
>
> I guess I'm missing something.
>
> We have many times talked about Lionel-American Flyer on S-Trains. Nothing is the S-Trains description on the Home page makes it inappropriate. Lionel-American Flyer is part of our American Flyer universe. Do we need a group for every aspect of it?
>
> Let's see, we could have one for freight trains, one for passenger, one for steam, and another for diesel. Where does it end?
>
> Help me understand.
> Al Baker
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@> wrote:
> >
> > From: Alan Lambert
> >   Lone Star Flyer club
> >  
> > Stumpy,
> > I agree with you. At least we are getting the message out. Some list members get grumpy at what we say. Scale guys are #1 on my list of grumpy old men. Now backto my kit building.  I am reading the insruction book from my Water tower from Altoona Model works. Great indepth instruction book.
> > Thanks,
> >   Alan
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:27 PM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: New Group
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > Hey, why not? The more the merrier. ...Stumpy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68838 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer club

Al,
 Maybe if you come up with another magazine that covers S scale in ALL of what we have we would not need extra groups. It's just another way to get more exposure. Some people don't know what is out there. Bring yourlayout down to One of my 2 local train shows. We only have 2 "S" Layouts that get set up. MY club(high rail): Trinity S Guagers ( scale). Thats for the Fort Worth texas and Plano, Texas train shows.  We now have our layout  set up to where we can run Lionel legasy loco's like the Challenger ans U-33 along with the Bigboy. We try but new groups can send out the word to more people easier that any magazine. Everyone seems to grip about something.
� Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: Al Baker <albaker33@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:14 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Group



 

I guess I'm missing something.

We have many times talked about Lionel-American Flyer on S-Trains. Nothing is the S-Trains description on the Home page makes it inappropriate. Lionel-American Flyer is part of our American Flyer universe. Do we need a group for every aspect of it?

Let's see, we could have one for freight trains, one for passenger, one for steam, and another for diesel. Where does it end?

Help me understand.
Al Baker

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
>   Lone Star Flyer club
>  
> Stumpy,
> I agree with you. At least we are getting the message out. Some list members get grumpy at what we say. Scale guys are #1 on my list of grumpy old men. Now backto my kit building.  I am reading the insruction book from my Water tower from Altoona Model works. Great indepth instruction book.
> Thanks,
>   Alan
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:27 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: New Group
>
>
>
>  
>
> Hey, why not? The more the merrier. ...Stumpy
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68839 From: Frank Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
I think this new group site is great. The group membership has grown fast. It can be judged even better as time goes on. The numbers will tell.
By the way, there are freight and passenger groups.
Frank

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 17, 2012, at 5:48 PM, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote:

> Hi Al,
>
> The S-Trains List is a great general discussion forum for S-gauge trains; none better. The reason I started the Lionel-Flyer group was because I saw a lot of Lionel-Flyer talk on this group and thought that yes - it warranted it's own group. I think the very same thing could be said about the discussion on "Flyer Trains on eBay" and it was a coin-toss for me as to which splinter group to try and start. I imagine some guys would have wanted me to start up the other group and hope that eBay talk would go away on this list. lol Anyone can start a group on Yahoo. So there is no stopping anyone from creating a "Flyer Trains on eBay" group or any other group one wishes.
>
> Here's a link to the new group if you wish to be in on it from the first:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lionel-Flyer/
>
> Membership is open, so anyone can join and the group is un-moderated.
>
> You are always free to choose where you wish to discuss Lionel-Flyer Trains.
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:
> >
> > I guess I'm missing something.
> >
> > We have many times talked about Lionel-American Flyer on S-Trains. Nothing is the S-Trains description on the Home page makes it inappropriate. Lionel-American Flyer is part of our American Flyer universe. Do we need a group for every aspect of it?
> >
> > Let's see, we could have one for freight trains, one for passenger, one for steam, and another for diesel. Where does it end?
> >
> > Help me understand.
> > Al Baker
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Alan Lambert
> > > Lone Star Flyer club
> > >
> > > Stumpy,
> > > I agree with you. At least we are getting the message out. Some list members get grumpy at what we say. Scale guys are #1 on my list of grumpy old men. Now backto my kit building. I am reading the insruction book from my Water tower from Altoona Model works. Great indepth instruction book.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Alan
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@>
> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:27 PM
> > > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: New Group
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > > Hey, why not? The more the merrier. ...Stumpy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68840 From: Frank Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Sorry Al, I think you are missing something.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 17, 2012, at 5:14 PM, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:

> I guess I'm missing something.
>
> We have many times talked about Lionel-American Flyer on S-Trains. Nothing is the S-Trains description on the Home page makes it inappropriate. Lionel-American Flyer is part of our American Flyer universe. Do we need a group for every aspect of it?
>
> Let's see, we could have one for freight trains, one for passenger, one for steam, and another for diesel. Where does it end?
>
> Help me understand.
> Al Baker
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Alan Lambert
> > Lone Star Flyer club
> >
> > Stumpy,
> > I agree with you. At least we are getting the message out. Some list members get grumpy at what we say. Scale guys are #1 on my list of grumpy old men. Now backto my kit building. I am reading the insruction book from my Water tower from Altoona Model works. Great indepth instruction book.
> > Thanks,
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:27 PM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: New Group
> >
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Hey, why not? The more the merrier. ...Stumpy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68842 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Hello Friends,

This matter is not of great concern to me, and I can see both sides to this discussion. I admit, I must identify somewhat with Al's comments.

I also belong to the TCA Toy Trains Yahoo! group, and there is a lot of cross posting to this group from S-Trains and vice versa since many believe that issues of interest to Toy Train collectors and operators may also be of interest to S Gauge, AF and Hi Rail folks. Since most of us Flyer folks also follow, if not slavishly purchase, the products of "Flyonel", I can see getting multiple emails about Lionel Flyer stuff that has been posted to multiple groups.

I suspect some might like to see all Lionel discussion placed elsewhere, but I am not sure that such posts would be limited to the new site, and I, for one, would not want to have all Flyonel discussion leave the S gauge group.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

----- Original Message -----
From: Al Baker
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 2:14 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Group



I guess I'm missing something.

We have many times talked about Lionel-American Flyer on S-Trains. Nothing is the S-Trains description on the Home page makes it inappropriate. Lionel-American Flyer is part of our American Flyer universe. Do we need a group for every aspect of it?

Let's see, we could have one for freight trains, one for passenger, one for steam, and another for diesel. Where does it end?

Help me understand.
Al Baker

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
> Lone Star Flyer club
>
> Stumpy,
> I agree with you. At least we are getting the message out. Some list members get grumpy at what we say. Scale guys are #1 on my list of grumpy old men. Now backto my kit building. I am reading the insruction book from my Water tower from Altoona Model works. Great indepth instruction book.
> Thanks,
> Alan
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:27 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: New Group
>
>
>
> Â
>
> Hey, why not? The more the merrier. ...Stumpy
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68843 From: Obie Bell Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
If we already have Lionel American Flyer what do we need SHS for? Now seriously why should we keep all of our eggs in one basket? Tim has a pretty successful blog spot going about his layout, so he has a reasonable chance of coming up with a good site principally devoted to newer products. In most cases it will probably be repetitious with what goes on here, but it wouldn't hurt any to give him a little support. If he attracts new members on his site and they are directed to this one it is a win win. If it fails at least he tried to do something to further promote S-gauge.Obie

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: albaker33@...
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:14:27 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Group




























I guess I'm missing something.



We have many times talked about Lionel-American Flyer on S-Trains. Nothing is the S-Trains description on the Home page makes it inappropriate. Lionel-American Flyer is part of our American Flyer universe. Do we need a group for every aspect of it?



Let's see, we could have one for freight trains, one for passenger, one for steam, and another for diesel. Where does it end?



Help me understand.

Al Baker



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:

>

> From: Alan Lambert

> Lone Star Flyer club

>

> Stumpy,

> I agree with you. At least we are getting the message out. Some list members get grumpy at what we say. Scale guys are #1 on my list of grumpy old men. Now backto my kit building.� I am reading the insruction book from my Water tower from Altoona Model works. Great indepth instruction book.

> Thanks,

> Alan

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:27 PM

> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: New Group

>

>

>

> �

>

> Hey, why not? The more the merrier. ...Stumpy

>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68844 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
The TTML list is not a specific topic list, as having a list only for Lionel AF products takes away from the S list in total.

But if one feels he needs to have this, and those who join feel they need to join, so be it.

I will start a S scale Apples list, myself.

All the different varieties and etc. What kind of trees to use, ladders, etc.

Mike

From: Alan and Sherry Bennett
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 7:55 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Group


Hello Friends,

This matter is not of great concern to me, and I can see both sides to this discussion. I admit, I must identify somewhat with Al's comments.

I also belong to the TCA Toy Trains Yahoo! group, and there is a lot of cross posting to this group from S-Trains and vice versa since many believe that issues of interest to Toy Train collectors and operators may also be of interest to S Gauge, AF and Hi Rail folks. Since most of us Flyer folks also follow, if not slavishly purchase, the products of "Flyonel", I can see getting multiple emails about Lionel Flyer stuff that has been posted to multiple groups.

I suspect some might like to see all Lionel discussion placed elsewhere, but I am not sure that such posts would be limited to the new site, and I, for one, would not want to have all Flyonel discussion leave the S gauge group.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

----- Original Message -----
From: Al Baker
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 2:14 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Group

I guess I'm missing something.

We have many times talked about Lionel-American Flyer on S-Trains. Nothing is the S-Trains description on the Home page makes it inappropriate. Lionel-American Flyer is part of our American Flyer universe. Do we need a group for every aspect of it?

Let's see, we could have one for freight trains, one for passenger, one for steam, and another for diesel. Where does it end?

Help me understand.
Al Baker

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
> Lone Star Flyer club
>
> Stumpy,
> I agree with you. At least we are getting the message out. Some list members get grumpy at what we say. Scale guys are #1 on my list of grumpy old men. Now backto my kit building. I am reading the insruction book from my Water tower from Altoona Model works. Great indepth instruction book.
> Thanks,
> Alan
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:27 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: New Group
>
>
>
> Â
>
> Hey, why not? The more the merrier. ...Stumpy
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68845 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
No we don’t in my opinion, but let Tim do what he feels he has to do.

That is what the S list is for.

So now we are going to have separate specific list for specific topics?

Mike

From: Al Baker
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:13 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Group


I thought Lionel- American Flyer was covered in S-Trains. Do we really need another group??
Al Baker

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> Since I recently saw posts about other groups on this list, I figured it would be okay to mention a new group. It's called Lionel-Flyer and it's for discussion of all the American Flyer things that Lionel is producing. Anyone can join and the List is un-moderated (no profanity allowed). Here's a link:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lionel-Flyer/
>
> Hope to see you there!
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68846 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
I think I see both sides of this. I started the Gilberthotrains group
on Yahoo even though I realize that topic is generally considered
acceptable on S-trains, even though it isn't technically "S.". The
fact was that there wasn't much discussion of the subject here. Bear
in mind, though, that the Gilberthotrains group isn't as busy as this
one, but when topics come up, they don't die. Maybe people are more
willing to respond when they know that their response hits a more narrow
group that is specifically interested in the narrower topic.

I generally join all the groups that are related to my interests, so I
am also a member of Americanflyertrains, available S-gauge,
showcaseline, VintageHO, and Toy Trains. I also visit the OGR S
forum. As to the new group, I think I will watch it online for a while
and see where it is going. Thanks Tim, for making the messages
accessible to all. That is a good way to stimulate interest.

Dale Smith

On 3/17/2012 2:14 PM, Al Baker wrote:
>
> I guess I'm missing something.
>
> We have many times talked about Lionel-American Flyer on S-Trains.
> Nothing is the S-Trains description on the Home page makes it
> inappropriate. Lionel-American Flyer is part of our American Flyer
> universe. Do we need a group for every aspect of it?
>
> Let's see, we could have one for freight trains, one for passenger,
> one for steam, and another for diesel. Where does it end?
>
> Help me understand.
> Al Baker
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Alan Lambert
> > Lone Star Flyer club
> >
> > Stumpy,
> > I agree with you. At least we are getting the message out. Some list
> members get grumpy at what we say. Scale guys are #1 on my list of
> grumpy old men. Now backto my kit building. I am reading the
> insruction book from my Water tower from Altoona Model works. Great
> indepth instruction book.
> > Thanks,
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:27 PM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: New Group
> >
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Hey, why not? The more the merrier. ...Stumpy
> >
> >
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68847 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
From : Alan Lambert
�Lone Star Flyer club

Alan,

The best thing about our groups is if you don't want to get e-mail messages all you have to to is switch to digest mode. Then you have to go to the main group page to see what was posted. Then you have to scroll through the whole list to see everything.  With e-mail you can hit the delete button if you don't want to read something Sure we will have the same thing cross posted but that is part of it.
Thanks,
Alan


________________________________
From: Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Group



 

Hello Friends,

This matter is not of great concern to me, and I can see both sides to this discussion. I admit, I must identify somewhat with Al's comments.

I also belong to the TCA Toy Trains Yahoo! group, and there is a lot of cross posting to this group from S-Trains and vice versa since many believe that issues of interest to Toy Train collectors and operators may also be of interest to S Gauge, AF and Hi Rail folks. Since most of us Flyer folks also follow, if not slavishly purchase, the products of "Flyonel", I can see getting multiple emails about Lionel Flyer stuff that has been posted to multiple groups.

I suspect some might like to see all Lionel discussion placed elsewhere, but I am not sure that such posts would be limited to the new site, and I, for one, would not want to have all Flyonel discussion leave the S gauge group.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

----- Original Message -----
From: Al Baker
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 2:14 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Group

I guess I'm missing something.

We have many times talked about Lionel-American Flyer on S-Trains. Nothing is the S-Trains description on the Home page makes it inappropriate. Lionel-American Flyer is part of our American Flyer universe. Do we need a group for every aspect of it?

Let's see, we could have one for freight trains, one for passenger, one for steam, and another for diesel. Where does it end?

Help me understand.
Al Baker

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
> Lone Star Flyer club
>
> Stumpy,
> I agree with you. At least we are getting the message out. Some list members get grumpy at what we say. Scale guys are #1 on my list of grumpy old men. Now backto my kit building. I am reading the insruction book from my Water tower from Altoona Model works. Great indepth instruction book.
> Thanks,
> Alan
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:27 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: New Group
>
>
>
> Â
>
> Hey, why not? The more the merrier. ...Stumpy
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68848 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
From: Alan Lambert
 
Obie,
You hit the nail on the head. Promote our Sscale how ever you want to . I also like what  Tim is doing.  The Scale guys were whinning about the new Lionel engines until I  The scale wheel availabilty on the new U-33. It shut them up for a while. At least I haven't heard them complane about the Lionel offerings. Most of them will gut the electronics out and put  digitrax or other decoders in to make them run, Now they have a group to sell of the unwanted parts if they bite.
                 Thanks,
                              Alan Lambert
                              Lone Star Flyer club


________________________________
From: Obie Bell <bellokdaka@...>
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:47 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: New Group


If we already have Lionel American Flyer what do we need SHS for?  Now seriously why should we keep all of our eggs in one basket?  Tim has a pretty successful blog spot going about his layout, so he has a reasonable chance of coming up with a good site principally devoted to newer products.  In most cases it will probably be repetitious with what goes on here, but it wouldn't hurt any to give him a little support. If he attracts new members on his site and they are directed to this one it is a win win.  If it fails at least he tried to do something to further promote S-gauge.Obie

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: albaker33@...
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:14:27 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Group






















 


   
     
     
      I guess I'm missing something. 



We have many times talked about Lionel-American Flyer on S-Trains.  Nothing is the S-Trains description on the Home page makes it inappropriate.  Lionel-American Flyer is part of our American Flyer universe.  Do we need a group for every aspect of it?



Let's see, we could have one for freight trains, one for passenger, one for steam, and another for diesel.  Where does it end?



Help me understand.

Al Baker



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:

>

> From: Alan Lambert

>  Lone Star Flyer club



> Stumpy,

> I agree with you. At least we are getting the message out. Some list members get grumpy at what we say. Scale guys are #1 on my list of grumpy old men. Now backto my kit building.  I am reading the insruction book from my Water tower from Altoona Model works. Great indepth instruction book.

>  Thanks,

>  Alan

>

>

> ________________________________

>  From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:27 PM

> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:  New Group

>

>

>

> Â

>

> Hey, why not?  The more the merrier.  ...Stumpy

>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68849 From: Al Baker Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Timboy (and others),
I am not upset that you started this group.

My point is this, I much prefer to belong to a lesser number of groups to get the discussions I would like, rather than belonging to a large number of groups to get the same discussions.

I understand some divisions are necessary, e.g. S vs HO, N, O, etc. I even understand that S HiRail vs S Scale should be separate. I just don't see what you are proposing is different enough to warrant a separate group.

But if you and others want to do it - have at it. Its just now we have to join yet another group to get the same info that we were getting before.

Al Baker



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Al,
>
> The S-Trains List is a great general discussion forum for S-gauge trains; none better. The reason I started the Lionel-Flyer group was because I saw a lot of Lionel-Flyer talk on this group and thought that yes - it warranted it's own group. I think the very same thing could be said about the discussion on "Flyer Trains on eBay" and it was a coin-toss for me as to which splinter group to try and start. I imagine some guys would have wanted me to start up the other group and hope that eBay talk would go away on this list. lol Anyone can start a group on Yahoo. So there is no stopping anyone from creating a "Flyer Trains on eBay" group or any other group one wishes.
>
> Here's a link to the new group if you wish to be in on it from the first:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lionel-Flyer/
>
> Membership is open, so anyone can join and the group is un-moderated.
>
> You are always free to choose where you wish to discuss Lionel-Flyer Trains.
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@> wrote:
> >
> > I guess I'm missing something.
> >
> > We have many times talked about Lionel-American Flyer on S-Trains. Nothing is the S-Trains description on the Home page makes it inappropriate. Lionel-American Flyer is part of our American Flyer universe. Do we need a group for every aspect of it?
> >
> > Let's see, we could have one for freight trains, one for passenger, one for steam, and another for diesel. Where does it end?
> >
> > Help me understand.
> > Al Baker
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Alan Lambert
> > >   Lone Star Flyer club
> > >  
> > > Stumpy,
> > > I agree with you. At least we are getting the message out. Some list members get grumpy at what we say. Scale guys are #1 on my list of grumpy old men. Now backto my kit building.  I am reading the insruction book from my Water tower from Altoona Model works. Great indepth instruction book.
> > > Thanks,
> > >   Alan
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@>
> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:27 PM
> > > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: New Group
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Hey, why not? The more the merrier. ...Stumpy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68850 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
From: Alan Lambert

Mike,
I like the specific topic idea.
Thanks,
�Alan


________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Group



 

No we don’t in my opinion, but let Tim do what he feels he has to do.

That is what the S list is for.

So now we are going to have separate specific list for specific topics?

Mike

From: Al Baker
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:13 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Group

I thought Lionel- American Flyer was covered in S-Trains. Do we really need another group??
Al Baker

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> Since I recently saw posts about other groups on this list, I figured it would be okay to mention a new group. It's called Lionel-Flyer and it's for discussion of all the American Flyer things that Lionel is producing. Anyone can join and the List is un-moderated (no profanity allowed). Here's a link:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lionel-Flyer/
>
> Hope to see you there!
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68851 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Alan,

You have my complete respect on this, as so does Timboy.

Go for it.

then we don’t need the S list as a generic list anymore, as one specific leads to another and so on. So in time, the S list will fade away as things are covered on each specific list. So it will be pick and choose your list to be on.

Again, I am not on many lists, as it gets overwhelming and I have other things in life to do.

We all have different philosophies on things so go for it.

I wish Timboy the best with his venture.

Mike

From: Alan Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 9:15 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Group


From: Alan Lambert

Mike,
I like the specific topic idea.
Thanks,
�Alan


________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Group




No we don’t in my opinion, but let Tim do what he feels he has to do.

That is what the S list is for.

So now we are going to have separate specific list for specific topics?

Mike

From: Al Baker
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:13 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Group

I thought Lionel- American Flyer was covered in S-Trains. Do we really need another group??
Al Baker

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> Since I recently saw posts about other groups on this list, I figured it would be okay to mention a new group. It's called Lionel-Flyer and it's for discussion of all the American Flyer things that Lionel is producing. Anyone can join and the List is un-moderated (no profanity allowed). Here's a link:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lionel-Flyer/
>
> Hope to see you there!
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68852 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Groups
I am on more Yahoo Groups that just S gauge! I do three narrow gauge groups, two slot car groups, a sci-fi writer's group, and a vintage oval racing group.
The best part is that I don't get e-mail, but go to the group site and read posts there. I get about 70 e-mails a day anyway, not including SPAM.
The way I figure it, nobody HAS to join any group, but better too many than not enough!
Your mileage may vary, just have fun.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68853 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
I belong to about 13 groups, as they are all not about trains.

I have a life of doing other things like bike riding and going to baseball games and walking everyday.

I am maxed out on groups, as I really have no desire to join more groups.

but again for those who feel they neat to join another group, go for it.

I just see having more groups about S being a duplication.

Also like a company directory. Go here for things about Lionel, go here about Ebay, go here about repairs, go here for silly stories by me, go here for what track to use, go here for parts, and so on.

Oh wait,this is my third email of the day, as this is like having a conversation, as I don’t want to be accused of writing 7 emails a day which I don’t. Check my totals since January 1, if any is so concern.

Thank you.

Mike

From: Alan Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:31 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Group


From : Alan Lambert
�Lone Star Flyer club

Alan,

The best thing about our groups is if you don't want to get e-mail messages all you have to to is switch to digest mode. Then you have to go to the main group page to see what was posted. Then you have to scroll through the whole list to see everything. With e-mail you can hit the delete button if you don't want to read something Sure we will have the same thing cross posted but that is part of it.
Thanks,
Alan


________________________________
From: Alan and Sherry Bennett <mailto:alansherry%40comcast.net>
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Group




Hello Friends,

This matter is not of great concern to me, and I can see both sides to this discussion. I admit, I must identify somewhat with Al's comments.

I also belong to the TCA Toy Trains Yahoo! group, and there is a lot of cross posting to this group from S-Trains and vice versa since many believe that issues of interest to Toy Train collectors and operators may also be of interest to S Gauge, AF and Hi Rail folks. Since most of us Flyer folks also follow, if not slavishly purchase, the products of "Flyonel", I can see getting multiple emails about Lionel Flyer stuff that has been posted to multiple groups.

I suspect some might like to see all Lionel discussion placed elsewhere, but I am not sure that such posts would be limited to the new site, and I, for one, would not want to have all Flyonel discussion leave the S gauge group.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

----- Original Message -----
From: Al Baker
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 2:14 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Group

I guess I'm missing something.

We have many times talked about Lionel-American Flyer on S-Trains. Nothing is the S-Trains description on the Home page makes it inappropriate. Lionel-American Flyer is part of our American Flyer universe. Do we need a group for every aspect of it?

Let's see, we could have one for freight trains, one for passenger, one for steam, and another for diesel. Where does it end?

Help me understand.
Al Baker

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
> Lone Star Flyer club
>
> Stumpy,
> I agree with you. At least we are getting the message out. Some list members get grumpy at what we say. Scale guys are #1 on my list of grumpy old men. Now backto my kit building. I am reading the insruction book from my Water tower from Altoona Model works. Great indepth instruction book.
> Thanks,
> Alan
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:27 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: New Group
>
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> Â
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> Hey, why not? The more the merrier. ...Stumpy
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68854 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Re: New Groups
From: Alan Lambert

Stumpy,  You said a mouthfull. You go to the group and read posts.that is the biggest option that groups have. E-mail or igest where you have to goto the group home page to read the days posts. Thats why I prefer E-Mail. If  dont like it I hit the delete button.
� Alan


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From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:40 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Groups



 

I am on more Yahoo Groups that just S gauge! I do three narrow gauge groups, two slot car groups, a sci-fi writer's group, and a vintage oval racing group.
The best part is that I don't get e-mail, but go to the group site and read posts there. I get about 70 e-mails a day anyway, not including SPAM.
The way I figure it, nobody HAS to join any group, but better too many than not enough!
Your mileage may vary, just have fun.
Stumpy in Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68855 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
I would hate to see us splinter over this, I like everthing S more I like AF and
not all is scale, but darn it, iit's alot of fun for me and my son when he is
bored with his 3DS and can have fun and give him history lesson, and I like some
of the Lionel stuff, we should all get along to keep S strong.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68856 From: acgilbertguy Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
What is the difference between a "Pacific" and a "K5 Pacific" steam engine?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68857 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
Alan, how dare you call me OLD!

- Earl Henry


In a message dated 3/17/2012 3:56:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
alanlambert64@... writes:

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68858 From: Timboy Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: New Groups
Flyer Guys:

There seems to be a discussion on BOTH Yahoo Lists as to whether or not the Lionel-Flyer List ought to be.

I think we can co-exist.

I believe there is room for a moderated general discussion of all things S Gauge as well as an un-moderated discussion of - what has the Lionel Corporation done for S Gauge lately.

Think of it this way: The S-Trains List on Yahoo is the most excellent public network for all things S Gauge and the Lionel-Flyer List on Yahoo is the, um-er-ah cable version (sans profanity). Those of you who know me and I mean REALLY know me know what I am talking about. I envision an unbiased AND unabashed discussion that can be spirited, but clean - because we don't have an exclusivity to strictly prime time airing. IOW's - as the kids would say - hook up, but keep it cool: the P11's are watching!

Dig it!

Timboy
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
>  
> Stumpy,  You said a mouthfull. You go to the group and read posts.that is the biggest option that groups have. E-mail or igest where you have to goto the group home page to read the days posts. Thats why I prefer E-Mail. If  dont like it I hit the delete button.
>   Alan
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:40 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Groups
>
>
>
>  
>
> I am on more Yahoo Groups that just S gauge! I do three narrow gauge groups, two slot car groups, a sci-fi writer's group, and a vintage oval racing group.
> The best part is that I don't get e-mail, but go to the group site and read posts there. I get about 70 e-mails a day anyway, not including SPAM.
> The way I figure it, nobody HAS to join any group, but better too many than not enough!
> Your mileage may vary, just have fun.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68859 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: New Groups
You are completely right Mr. Stumpy, nobody has to join any group and one has to make his or her own decision on how many groups they want to belong to.

And one does not have to read every message on a list, as I don’t and I would never tell anyone in private what they can or can not do on a list when one is not a moderator.

Better too many than not enough groups?

Mike Marmer

From: Alan Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:46 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Groups


From: Alan Lambert

Stumpy, You said a mouthfull. You go to the group and read posts.that is the biggest option that groups have. E-mail or igest where you have to goto the group home page to read the days posts. Thats why I prefer E-Mail. If dont like it I hit the delete button.
� Alan


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From: mrstumpy50 <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net>
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:40 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Groups




I am on more Yahoo Groups that just S gauge! I do three narrow gauge groups, two slot car groups, a sci-fi writer's group, and a vintage oval racing group.
The best part is that I don't get e-mail, but go to the group site and read posts there. I get about 70 e-mails a day anyway, not including SPAM.
The way I figure it, nobody HAS to join any group, but better too many than not enough!
Your mileage may vary, just have fun.
Stumpy in Ahia

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68860 From: emmersmom1950 Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Hello again,

I have been doing more research and I believe you all are right about the 4611A set because he insists his transformer was square with a lever in the middle. From researching the Gilbert catalogs it seems the 4611A is the only set that could be used with a square transformer, the 4B. He also is firmly convinced his cars were very heavy and were made of metal, not plastic. Does this all fit the 4611A? Would I be better off to try to purchase the whole set somewhere or try to buy a piece at a time? Would it be better to pirchase a whole set and have restoration work done or purchase one already restored? Thanks for all your help; you are a very knowledgeable group and I appreciate your sharing that knowledge. Thanks, Sue
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> The T&M guide lists it as 48-49. it holds the same years in all editions.
> Mike
>
>
> In a message dated 3/17/2012 10:22:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> trainsandhobbies@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Hi Mike,
> I believe you are correct. The set number was 4611A with a 322AC. There
> was no 322AC in 1948.
>
> Tom Seccia
>
> ________________________________
> From: "_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) " <_anormal1@..._
> (mailto:anormal1@...) >
> To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help
>
>
>
> Tom, I think the 48-49 set was the 4611-A with the 322AC SIB. I have that
> set, Mike
>
> In a message dated 3/16/2012 8:22:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> _trainsandhobbies@..._ (mailto:trainsandhobbies@...) writes:
>
> The 4611 Trains set sold in 1946, 1947 and 1949. Came with a 322 Hudson
> Smoke in Tender, 716 Dump Car, 634 Searchlight car, 629 MP stock car and
> 630
> Readings Caboose with track in 1946 & 1947 and with a 322AC Hudson Smoke
> in
> Boiler in 1949.
> Tom Seccia
>
> ________________________________
> From: emmersmom1950 <__emmersmom1950@..._
> (mailto:_emmersmom1950@...) _
> (mailto:_emmersmom1950@..._ (mailto:emmersmom1950@...) ) >
> To: __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _
> (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) )
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:28 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help
>
> Hello everyone,
> I am hoping to get information to help me find a train set for my hubby
> just like the one he had as a boy. From the pictures I have shown him I
> think
> his set looked like the 4611. He thinks it had smoke and a whistle in the
> engine. It would have been purchased probably between 1946 and 1951. Any
> idea where to find this and how much I should expect to pay for a nice
> looking set?
>
> Also, he said his dad had very detailed buildings that came in kits that
> he assembled every Christmas. Does anyone have thoughts on what these kits
>
> might be and where to locate them? I know absolutely nothing about
> American
> fliers; the little info I have given here I learned in the last 2 days on
> the Internet. Thanks in advance, Sue
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68861 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs. K5 Pacific
Any locomotive with a wheel arrangement of 4-6-2 is a Pacific. That's four pilot wheels, six driving wheels and two trailing wheels under the locomotive. This is the Whyth Classification System of identifying steam locomotives. A 4-4-2 is an Atlantic, a 2-8-0 is a Consolidation, and so on.
The K5 was one of two experimental Pacifics with Caprotti valve gear. Otherwise they were similar to the many Pennsylvania Railroad's K4 Pacifics.
The B&O had several classes of Pacifics which started with the P designation. These letters were the company class designation, but they were still Pacific locomotives by wheel arrangement.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68862 From: Rich Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
lessee - Pacific is the name given to the 4-6-2 wheel arrangement and if memory serves (correctly, which can be a challenge...), Gilbert had six Pacifics - the New Haven loco (290, 293, 295, 296 plus the five digit models), the 'mostly' CNW loco (282, 283, 285, 287, 289 - plus five digit models - one of which had a Reading tender, hence the 'mostly'), the Pennsy K-5 engine you mentioned (310, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316 plus five digit) and three more I almost forgot - the streamlined Royal Blue, Circus and Silver Bullet engines.

K-x was the designation given by the PRR to its Pacifics. I read somewhere that, in fact, Pennsy only produced two of the K-5s - originally as successors to the much more prevalent K-4 pacifics - and abandoned the project.

Of course, Flyonel has issued some Pacifics more recently, which are not reissues of any of the above. I hope its ok to mention Flyonel on this group (wink). I don't recall all of them - Acton limited, Southern, probably others... If they are anything like my Mikado, the detailing is really terrific.

-Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertguy" <milepost407@...> wrote:
>
> What is the difference between a "Pacific" and a "K5 Pacific" steam engine?
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68863 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: New Group
From: Alan Lambert
Earl,
You are not one of the "grumpy" old men I was talking about. You don't complain like most of them.
Thanks,
Alan
Lone Star Flyer club



________________________________
From: "tennsgauge@..." <tennsgauge@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: New Group



 

Alan, how dare you call me OLD!

- Earl Henry


In a message dated 3/17/2012 3:56:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
alanlambert64@... writes:

Scale guys are #1 on my list of grumpy old men.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68864 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
Also, on the real thing, the smokebox front was a little longer. A recent
NASG Dispatch had a how-to on putting the K-5 boiler on an American Models
Pacific chassis. Jeff Madden

On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:45 PM, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...>wrote:

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68865 From: Robert Conner Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
ACCORDING TO MY GUIDE THE 4611 IS 600.00 WITH THE BOXES AND THE 4611A IS 450.00.... HOPE THIS GIVES YOU SOME KIND OF IDEA WHERE TO START LOOKING... I MIGHT HAVE ONE I COULD PUT UP ON EBAY.... HAVE TOO LOOK... BOB CONNER

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From: emmersmom1950 <emmersmom1950@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 18, 2012, 10:17 AM



 




Hello again,

I have been doing more research and I believe you all are right about the 4611A set because he insists his transformer was square with a lever in the middle. From researching the Gilbert catalogs it seems the 4611A is the only set that could be used with a square transformer, the 4B. He also is firmly convinced his cars were very heavy and were made of metal, not plastic. Does this all fit the 4611A? Would I be better off to try to purchase the whole set somewhere or try to buy a piece at a time? Would it be better to pirchase a whole set and have restoration work done or purchase one already restored? Thanks for all your help; you are a very knowledgeable group and I appreciate your sharing that knowledge. Thanks, Sue
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> The T&M guide lists it as 48-49. it holds the same years in all editions.
> Mike
>
>
> In a message dated 3/17/2012 10:22:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> trainsandhobbies@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Hi Mike,
> I believe you are correct. The set number was 4611A with a 322AC. There
> was no 322AC in 1948.
>
> Tom Seccia
>
> ________________________________
> From: "_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) " <_anormal1@..._
> (mailto:anormal1@...) >
> To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help
>
>
>
> Tom, I think the 48-49 set was the 4611-A with the 322AC SIB. I have that
> set, Mike
>
> In a message dated 3/16/2012 8:22:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> _trainsandhobbies@..._ (mailto:trainsandhobbies@...) writes:
>
> The 4611 Trains set sold in 1946, 1947 and 1949. Came with a 322 Hudson
> Smoke in Tender, 716 Dump Car, 634 Searchlight car, 629 MP stock car and
> 630
> Readings Caboose with track in 1946 & 1947 and with a 322AC Hudson Smoke
> in
> Boiler in 1949.
> Tom Seccia
>
> ________________________________
> From: emmersmom1950 <__emmersmom1950@..._
> (mailto:_emmersmom1950@...) _
> (mailto:_emmersmom1950@..._ (mailto:emmersmom1950@...) ) >
> To: __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _
> (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) )
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:28 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help
>
> Hello everyone,
> I am hoping to get information to help me find a train set for my hubby
> just like the one he had as a boy. From the pictures I have shown him I
> think
> his set looked like the 4611. He thinks it had smoke and a whistle in the
> engine. It would have been purchased probably between 1946 and 1951. Any
> idea where to find this and how much I should expect to pay for a nice
> looking set?
>
> Also, he said his dad had very detailed buildings that came in kits that
> he assembled every Christmas. Does anyone have thoughts on what these kits
>
> might be and where to locate them? I know absolutely nothing about
> American
> fliers; the little info I have given here I learned in the last 2 days on
> the Internet. Thanks in advance, Sue
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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>
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>
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>








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Group: S-Trains Message: 68866 From: Frank Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
The K5's were to replace the K4's on the Pennsy. One K5 would replace the use of 2 K4's on passenger trains. The K4's & K5's used soft coal for fuel. The reason for doing away with the K5's was DIESELS were on track. 5698 was built by Pennsy & 5699 by Baldwin. Both were experimental.
Frank


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On Mar 17, 2012, at 11:45 PM, "acgilbertguy" <milepost407@...> wrote:

> What is the difference between a "Pacific" and a "K5 Pacific" steam engine?
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68867 From: Paul Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Sue, I am going to stick my 1960 returnable soda bottle deposit opinion
in here. all 2 cents worth. first you need to find out exactly what
will be done with the set. if it is to be kept boxed and/or displayed,
then an unrun or super nice set is in order, even if gathered piecemeal.
a truly collectable set will be expensive and if you are concerned about
future value need to be kept in this kind of environment. for running
at Christmas time, personally I would hunt for nice but not perfect
components and assemble a less expensive set. these sets were not
serial numbered to match, so who can tell as long as the correct vintage
individually assembled pieces are gathered. if there are thoughts of
laying the track on any permanent or semi permanent board or layout, I
would still hunt for nice individual components. a complete set
brings pride and bragging rights. if the latter is the case, look out,
there will likely be more trains to come, mixed and matched. variety.
less expensive, more common, and without memories, especially if
children/grandchildren might be around.
searching at shows and meets or E-Bay (there are as many opinions as
train engines on using this source and each opinion is correct to
the individual ) can produce items to upgrade if a nicer unit is found.
my gut feeling on the transformer would be to find a larger, more
powerful one if running this set is in it's future, this allows for more
toys, IE: road crossing flashers, lights, more and different action to add
to the fun. a collectable, non used set might require the 4B, but for
any possible future expansion I would start with extra power
to avoid an upgrade and the prices are close or cheaper. restoration is
a huge consideration. many, especially collectors will tell you that
this voids value, saying that a piece is only original once, any
deviation from the factory's presentation kills the value. as nasty as
it may
sound, rarer variations are sometimes faked by being repainted into the
scarcer colors, cheating the unwary. at times this is done for the
satisfaction of the owner and personal taste, absolutely no deception
intended. operators will not pay a premium only to put wear and
tear on it. restoration is a personal choice, but will unlikely add any
value except a personal way. this is probably the worst way to go.
maintenance, service, and repair of function is money well spent, but
adds little to static appearance. some folks go one step further and
mirror reality with their trains, IE: fading of color, signs of use,
rust streaks, aging, dirt, and graffiti. real trains do not look brand
new for long.
like I started, decide the future before crossing the track into the
hobby. these were built as rugged toys to be played with not as scale
models.
but even toys have collectors who want and seek nothing but perfection,
those who run or operate realize that accidents may happen and
scuffs occur. to be run and used, appearance is a nice quality, but
function is more important to start with, us kids want to play,
not repair couplers and wheels first. the very last thing that should be
on one's mind in your situation is making money. those of us who
use their trains get our returns in one way while those who collect have
their enjoyment differently, either way or some where in the
middle the pleasure is there. now it is 1965 and bottle deposit is 10
cents. the next opinion you read may be worth the extra pennies.
talk and decide unless this is a surprise gift, and if it is, you know
your husband and his ways better than we do. the train will be his
prize and pride. follow your gut and consider how he will most likely
see and use it. HIS flavor of enjoyment is the most important. paul



On 3/18/2012 10:17 AM, emmersmom1950 wrote:
>
>
> Hello again,
>
> I have been doing more research and I believe you all are right about
> the 4611A set because he insists his transformer was square with a
> lever in the middle. From researching the Gilbert catalogs it seems
> the 4611A is the only set that could be used with a square
> transformer, the 4B. He also is firmly convinced his cars were very
> heavy and were made of metal, not plastic. Does this all fit the
> 4611A? Would I be better off to try to purchase the whole set
> somewhere or try to buy a piece at a time? Would it be better to
> pirchase a whole set and have restoration work done or purchase one
> already restored? Thanks for all your help; you are a very
> knowledgeable group and I appreciate your sharing that knowledge.
> Thanks, Sue ~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~ end group email -->
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68868 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
If you buy a whole set, find out whether all the pieces in that particular set were originally sold together as a set.  If it was, it is worth more money when you eventually sell or donate itthan a set you piece together.

When collectors use the term "whole set," they mean a set with all the boxes that the cars, etc., were originally sold in, plus the outer set box that all those were packed in, plus all the instructions, repair service addresses, and other paperwork that came in the original set.  A "whole set" is worth considerably more than the engine, cars, etc., without the boxes and paperwork.

It is likely that it will take you a lot longer to find someone selling a whole set than it will to piece a set together.  And you'll pay a lot more for it.

If you do find someone selling a whole set, that set is likely to have been used less and protected better than one you piece together.

A set that has the engine, cars, track, transformer, etc., that were not originally sold together, and has no boxes or paperwork, is no more valuable than a set you piece together.  Its advantage, obviously, is that you buy it and can stop looking around - no more pieces to find.  But that's only slightly easier to find than a whole set; it'll probably take you some time to find one.


So, you see, there are a lot of pros and cons.  You need to decide what your objectives are, and what value each of the pros offers you, and how much each con detracts.





________________________________
From: emmersmom1950 <emmersmom1950@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:17 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Newbie needs a lot of help


 

Hello again,

I have been doing more research and I believe you all are right about the 4611A set because he insists his transformer was square with a lever in the middle. From researching the Gilbert catalogs it seems the 4611A is the only set that could be used with a square transformer, the 4B. He also is firmly convinced his cars were very heavy and were made of metal, not plastic. Does this all fit the 4611A? Would I be better off to try to purchase the whole set somewhere or try to buy a piece at a time? Would it be better to pirchase a whole set and have restoration work done or purchase one already restored? Thanks for all your help; you are a very knowledgeable group and I appreciate your sharing that knowledge. Thanks, Sue
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> The T&M guide lists it as 48-49. it holds the same years in all editions.
> Mike
>
>
> In a message dated 3/17/2012 10:22:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> trainsandhobbies@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Hi Mike,
> I believe you are correct. The set number was 4611A with a 322AC. There
> was no 322AC in 1948.
>
> Tom Seccia
>
> ________________________________
> From: "_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) " <_anormal1@..._
> (mailto:anormal1@...) >
> To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help
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> Tom, I think the 48-49 set was the 4611-A with the 322AC SIB. I have that
> set, Mike
>
> In a message dated 3/16/2012 8:22:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> _trainsandhobbies@..._ (mailto:trainsandhobbies@...) writes:
>
> The 4611 Trains set sold in 1946, 1947 and 1949. Came with a 322 Hudson
> Smoke in Tender, 716 Dump Car, 634 Searchlight car, 629 MP stock car and
> 630
> Readings Caboose with track in 1946 & 1947 and with a 322AC Hudson Smoke
> in
> Boiler in 1949.
> Tom Seccia
>
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> From: emmersmom1950 <__emmersmom1950@..._
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> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:28 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help
>
> Hello everyone,
> I am hoping to get information to help me find a train set for my hubby
> just like the one he had as a boy. From the pictures I have shown him I
> think
> his set looked like the 4611. He thinks it had smoke and a whistle in the
> engine. It would have been purchased probably between 1946 and 1951. Any
> idea where to find this and how much I should expect to pay for a nice
> looking set?
>
> Also, he said his dad had very detailed buildings that came in kits that
> he assembled every Christmas. Does anyone have thoughts on what these kits
>
> might be and where to locate them? I know absolutely nothing about
> American
> fliers; the little info I have given here I learned in the last 2 days on
> the Internet. Thanks in advance, Sue
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68869 From: rj4010d Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Spring "S" Spree
Gentlemen,The 25th annual S Spree is drawing near.May 4&5 at Dayton,Oh.As of last night there were only 8 rooms for Thursday night & 12 for Fri. night at the speacial room rate of 84.00 at the Fairfield Inn.
Check our web sight at www.trainweb.org/mvsg for full details & registration form.
See Ya there.
Bob Guckian
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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/18/2012, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68871 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
http://www.milb.com/team3/page.jsp?ymd=20101104&content_id=15992702&vkey=team3_t452&fext=.jsp&sid=t452

If I am allowed to add more to this about K5.

We go to Altoona PA for baseball ever year, as we have tickets for June 20, before heading to Pittsburgh and Washington PA.

Altoona has a mascot named Steamer, along with Diesel Dog and some others. Steamer has a number of K4, as I explain to people sitting near us that there is a K5 engine and American Flyer trains has a engine for the K5.

And many times we start talking about model trains, as we watch the trains, as it breaks the ice.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68872 From: Brady Burdge Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
<< ..Also, he said his dad had very detailed buildings that came in kits
that he assembled every Christmas. Does anyone have thoughts on what
these kits might be and where to locate them? I know absolutely nothing
about American fliers; the little info I have given here I learned in
the last 2 days on the Internet. Thanks in advance, Sue >>

Could it have been the 5001T?

http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18.htm

I'm not aware of any reproductions of the farm set, but there are a lot
of card-stock kits available on the internet


The whistle might have been a seperate-sale 577

http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37.htm


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 68873 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
I am sure I have a repro of the farm buildinmgs kit somewhere. Alistair

On Mon 19/03/12 9:13 AM , Brady Burdge brady@... sent:
> >
> Could it have been the 5001T?
>
> http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18
> .htm[1]
> I'm not aware of any reproductions of the farm set, but there are a
> lot
> of card-stock kits available on the internet
> The whistle might have been a seperate-sale 577
>
> http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37
> .htm[2]
> Brady Burdge
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68874 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: 25052 Caboose
Hi,

This email is for those who are into collecting vintage American Flyer as I use EBay for finding things I need.

I just won a LN maybe mint in the box 25052 1958 Caboose for 190. No matter, 190 for the condition it is in is fantastic.

The TM book is at 185 in E, as this caboose has no rust on it, the patina is perfect, no wear on the wheels, a few box rubs on the ends on the roof, and one rub mark on the roof. The lettering is outstanding.

The seller is a regular on EBay.

So you can get good deals on eBay for AF.

At York or a train show, I doubt it would sell for this, as one seller with a list of trains, has a 25052 in VG for 185 no box.

EBay is a great tool.

So while at a baseball game at U of MD on Saturday and riding 30 miles on the C&O Canal with my new replacement knee, I was able to buy a train on line without going to a show and no admission charges for 2. Shows are fine, but now it time to be out doors for me and Linda.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68875 From: Robert Conner Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
I AM UPLOADING A GREENBERG FARM SET ABOUT 10:30 TONIGHT ALONG WITH A LOT OF OTHER STUFF.... CHECK chief-pile-it FOR LISTINGS.... OVER 100 ITEMS.... BOB CONNER

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From: alizoo@... <alizoo@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 18, 2012, 8:21 PM



 



I am sure I have a repro of the farm buildinmgs kit somewhere. Alistair

On Mon 19/03/12 9:13 AM , Brady Burdge brady@... sent:
> >
> Could it have been the 5001T?
>
> http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18
> .htm[1]
> I'm not aware of any reproductions of the farm set, but there are a
> lot
> of card-stock kits available on the internet
> The whistle might have been a seperate-sale 577
>
> http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37
> .htm[2]
> Brady Burdge
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1]
> http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18
> .htm[2]
> http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37
> .htm[5]
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvdWExMmIxBF9TAzk3Mz
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68876 From: Ben Date: 3/18/2012
Subject: ACME carousel truck on eBay...
Completed at $635.01- I wouldn't have thought to bid that much. Hmmm...

Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 68877 From: Eric Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Extra stuff for sale part 2
Part 2 2012 - I need some room and these are not going to make it to the
layout if I want to keep trains running around it. Make me an offer,
thanks!



1. �

2. SHS 01843 covered hopper Canada Southern 880155 NIB $40

3. SHS 01843 covered hopper Canada Southern 880147 NIB $40

4. �

5. �

6. SHS 00000 Rebuilt box car Painted brown unlettered NIB $40

7. �

8. �

9. �

10. �

11. SHS 01638 Refer OFPX Veggies 4003 NIB $45

12. �

13. SHS 00322 Bulkhead flat ASTF JM Load �used� $40

14. �.

15. AM 3451 BN black hopper hirail 514105 �used� $30



The following PRS/AM cars have various types, mostly AM and SHS. Like new
condition,

#16-19 all professionally assembled by a person in Montreal about 10 years
ago.



16. PRS 50 foot boxcar, knuckles, hirail, GN 39176 single door, roofwalk,
box. $30

17. PRS 50 foot boxcar, knuckles, hirail, NP 45789, single door no
roofwalk, has box $30

18. PRS 50 foot boxcar, knuckles, hirail, S P and S 14383, dual door no
rfwk, has box $30

19. PRS 50 foot boxcar, knuckles, hirail, S,P,and S 14478, single door
kadees, ace trucks, box. $30



#20-23 gondolas do not have boxes, All very clean Knuckle, hi-rail. I will
need to check all ladders.



20. AM gondola 53 ft? NP Black 615269 with AM cover (top) . $30

21. AM gondola 53 ft? GN Brown 79573 with AM cover (top) . $30

22. AM gondola 53 ft? GN 79210 open top . $25



23. AM 40 foot boxcar green/orange GN 29210 kadees, shs trucks $30

24. PRS 40 foot S,P and S from 1994 Vancouver/Portland S convention,
11046 � kadees $35



25. PRS NO 40 foot green NP 42040. Kadees $30



26. PRS NP 40 foot orange refer 91403 Kadees $30



27. AM GN 4 bay hopper 705014 fast tracks box kadees $30



28. Am S,P, and S 2 bay hopper, 22999 kadees, $30



29. SHS NIP Refer Chicago Macaroni $45



All SHS l NIB should be set up as hi rail wheels and knuckle couplers
with the scale wheels in the box as per SHS new. The AM and PRS have
Hi-rail wheels, I can swap out or include the scale wheel if needed. I dont
think any of this has ever been run, some (of the 23-28) were never
completely assembled and the parts like ladders should be in the box.
Please ask about any specific cars.

Shipping should be about $10 for anything. A little less if you buy 1 or 2,
a little more if you buy a bunch. I ship USPS.

Make me an offer on any or all of it, I would really like to sell in
bigger groups that 1 or 2 as the multiple trips to the Post Office get
expensive, Thanks�.Paypal, Postal money order, check all work.
THANKS for Looking!


Eric Reis

Kenmore, WA.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68878 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: 25052 Caboose
I forgot to mention, I get 1% back for using my credit card on eBay, as I carry no debt, so 2 bucks helps lower my price over all. At train shows, its cash or check. Most of the time, as I know Portlines and SHS will take credit cards at shows. I think Joe Haenn does too, but not positive. I am sure he will reply to this.

And Linda does not care how much I bid for something that I need, that is hard to find. O!

Mike

From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:23 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] 25052 Caboose


Hi,

This email is for those who are into collecting vintage American Flyer as I use EBay for finding things I need.

I just won a LN maybe mint in the box 25052 1958 Caboose for 190. No matter, 190 for the condition it is in is fantastic.

The TM book is at 185 in E, as this caboose has no rust on it, the patina is perfect, no wear on the wheels, a few box rubs on the ends on the roof, and one rub mark on the roof. The lettering is outstanding.

The seller is a regular on EBay.

So you can get good deals on eBay for AF.

At York or a train show, I doubt it would sell for this, as one seller with a list of trains, has a 25052 in VG for 185 no box.

EBay is a great tool.

So while at a baseball game at U of MD on Saturday and riding 30 miles on the C&O Canal with my new replacement knee, I was able to buy a train on line without going to a show and no admission charges for 2. Shows are fine, but now it time to be out doors for me and Linda.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68879 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
A Pacific locomotive is a 4-6-2.  A K-5 or K-4 are Pacifics belong to the Pennsylvania Railroad.
� Tom Seccia




________________________________
From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:45 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Pacific vs K5 Pacific


 
What is the difference between a "Pacific" and a "K5 Pacific" steam engine?




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68880 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: 25052 Caboose
Congrats on your purchase

Sent from my iPod

On Mar 18, 2012, at 10:23 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This email is for those who are into collecting vintage American Flyer as I use EBay for finding things I need.
>
> I just won a LN maybe mint in the box 25052 1958 Caboose for 190. No matter, 190 for the condition it is in is fantastic.
>
> The TM book is at 185 in E, as this caboose has no rust on it, the patina is perfect, no wear on the wheels, a few box rubs on the ends on the roof, and one rub mark on the roof. The lettering is outstanding.
>
> The seller is a regular on EBay.
>
> So you can get good deals on eBay for AF.
>
> At York or a train show, I doubt it would sell for this, as one seller with a list of trains, has a 25052 in VG for 185 no box.
>
> EBay is a great tool.
>
> So while at a baseball game at U of MD on Saturday and riding 30 miles on the C&O Canal with my new replacement knee, I was able to buy a train on line without going to a show and no admission charges for 2. Shows are fine, but now it time to be out doors for me and Linda.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68881 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: 25052 Caboose
Mike:

So, what would the price have been if the TM book didn't say what it did?
This was more fun when the price guides didn't exist!

Please note: message attached

From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] 25052 Caboose
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:23:53 -0400



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68882 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Helicopter Question - Semi Train Related
Hi All,

I know some of you collect toys other than AF trains. I had a battery powered helicopter as a kid that I flew around the layout sometimes. It had a "pylon" that had a rod passing through it. The helicopter was on the long end of the rod and the battery case was on the short end. There was a control panel that had two handles. One handle controlled the blade speed and the other tilted the helicopter for forward or reverse. The rod with the helicopter on one end and the batteries on the other spun around the "pylon". The helicopter had a hook on the bottom and there was a figure with a hoop that you could pick up with the helicopter.

Does anyone remember this toy? Does anyone know who made it? I've searched shops, toy shows and eBay but have yet to see one.

My sister is 7 years older than I am and her boyfriends would spend time with me flying the helicopter and running my train - much to her displeasure - lol.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 68883 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Caboose Video American Flyer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI3nUnLYE6c

I was looking for a youtube video of a operating AF Caboose, the type with the man that is in the back, so I could show a O gauge friend how it works.

So I YouTube American Flyer Operating Caboose hoping to find a video, and this is the closest I got to it, as Cindy does a fine job in Operating this caboose to bits.

It seems Cindy likes to do this to many things as she has not left out Lionel on her channel of video's she has made.

Does Cindy have a problem in life, maybe a husband or boyfriend that preferred trains over her or maybe Cindy is just plain weird.

So Hugo is having smash a caboose night on the field on April 14, Saturday when the D&K Pinheads take on the Williamsport Cushwa Bricks. Special guest appearance by the master of crushing things in high heels, Cindy!!!!!!

All fans are invited in honor of the Cushwa Bricks baseball team to bring your own caboose, your scale, your choice and fans with a caboose will receive one Cushwa Brick, since High Heels are not allowed on the field due to insurance policy restrictions and they can go at it on their caboose.

Bricks must be returned as fans leave the field. Hugo is afraid that the bricks could be used as WMD's from drunken fans from the David Dewey's Eat Em Ups and Drink Em Ups Concession stand. They might throw bricks at David for the cheap beer he sells.

No Tender left behind,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68884 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
From: Alan Lambert
 
Mike,
She may have wrecked her Mercedes and needed to take out her frustrations on something smaller. She definitly has a problem of needing attention,and this is her way of doing it.


________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Steve Conard <steve.conard@...>; Linda Marmer <Linda.Marmer@...>; Ralph Loveless <ralcor888@...>; gmc50@...; Jim Hartley <natnative7@...>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:37 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Caboose Video American Flyer



 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI3nUnLYE6c

I was looking for a youtube video of a operating AF Caboose, the type with the man that is in the back, so I could show a O gauge friend how it works.

So I YouTube American Flyer Operating Caboose hoping to find a video, and this is the closest I got to it, as Cindy does a fine job in Operating this caboose to bits.

It seems Cindy likes to do this to many things as she has not left out Lionel on her channel of video's she has made.

Does Cindy have a problem in life, maybe a husband or boyfriend that preferred trains over her or maybe Cindy is just plain weird.

So Hugo is having smash a caboose night on the field on April 14, Saturday when the D&K Pinheads take on the Williamsport Cushwa Bricks. Special guest appearance by the master of crushing things in high heels, Cindy!!!!!!

All fans are invited in honor of the Cushwa Bricks baseball team to bring your own caboose, your scale, your choice and fans with a caboose will receive one Cushwa Brick, since High Heels are not allowed on the field due to insurance policy restrictions and they can go at it on their caboose.

Bricks must be returned as fans leave the field. Hugo is afraid that the bricks could be used as WMD's from drunken fans from the David Dewey's Eat Em Ups and Drink Em Ups Concession stand. They might throw bricks at David for the cheap beer he sells.

No Tender left behind,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68885 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Helicopter Question - Semi Train Related
From: Alan Lambert
�Lone Star Flyer Club
� Fort Worth, Texas
David,
 I remember them. I have seen one similr at Walgreens, but that was last year. I used to have one too, but don't remember who made it.
� Thanks,



________________________________
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:08 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Helicopter Question - Semi Train Related



 

Hi All,

I know some of you collect toys other than AF trains. I had a battery powered helicopter as a kid that I flew around the layout sometimes. It had a "pylon" that had a rod passing through it. The helicopter was on the long end of the rod and the battery case was on the short end. There was a control panel that had two handles. One handle controlled the blade speed and the other tilted the helicopter for forward or reverse. The rod with the helicopter on one end and the batteries on the other spun around the "pylon". The helicopter had a hook on the bottom and there was a figure with a hoop that you could pick up with the helicopter.

Does anyone remember this toy? Does anyone know who made it? I've searched shops, toy shows and eBay but have yet to see one.

My sister is 7 years older than I am and her boyfriends would spend time with me flying the helicopter and running my train - much to her displeasure - lol.

David




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68886 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: 25052 Caboose
My max bid was 295, as I was willing to go that high.

I have been into collecting since 1992 and Greenberg guides, go at least that fair back.

Just about every hobby has a guide,as they are just a guide.

But without a guide it would be difficult to judge a price, but maybe from watching previous sales, talking to other collectors, would be a good way to figure it out.

One on a train list has this for sale at 185 or 175 in VG condition, so I did very well.

Greenberg book surprising has a higher price for the caboose in E without the box at 209.

I did not see that until today, as usually Greenberg is lower than the TM book!

Mike

From: schwartzsj@...
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:42 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 25052 Caboose


Mike:

So, what would the price have been if the TM book didn't say what it did?
This was more fun when the price guides didn't exist!

Please note: message attached

From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] 25052 Caboose
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:23:53 -0400

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68887 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
Looks like a nice, metal G Scale caboose. Not one to wish problems on
other people, possibly she should be a little careful - she could slip
off and sprain/break her ankle.
RV (Norway)

On 3/19/2012 15:37, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI3nUnLYE6c
>
> I was looking for a youtube video of a operating AF Caboose, the type
> with the man that is in the back, so I could show a O gauge friend how
> it works.
>
> So I YouTube American Flyer Operating Caboose hoping to find a video,
> and this is the closest I got to it, as Cindy does a fine job in
> Operating this caboose to bits.
>
> It seems Cindy likes to do this to many things as she has not left out
> Lionel on her channel of video's she has made.
>
> Does Cindy have a problem in life, maybe a husband or boyfriend that
> preferred trains over her or maybe Cindy is just plain weird.
>
> So Hugo is having smash a caboose night on the field on April 14,
> Saturday when the D&K Pinheads take on the Williamsport Cushwa Bricks.
> Special guest appearance by the master of crushing things in high
> heels, Cindy!!!!!!
>
> All fans are invited in honor of the Cushwa Bricks baseball team to
> bring your own caboose, your scale, your choice and fans with a
> caboose will receive one Cushwa Brick, since High Heels are not
> allowed on the field due to insurance policy restrictions and they can
> go at it on their caboose.
>
> Bricks must be returned as fans leave the field. Hugo is afraid that
> the bricks could be used as WMD's from drunken fans from the David
> Dewey's Eat Em Ups and Drink Em Ups Concession stand. They might throw
> bricks at David for the cheap beer he sells.
>
> No Tender left behind,
>
> Mike Marmer
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68888 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
From: Alan lambert
 
Rance,
That is definitly  Pre war Ogauge American Flyer. It was theSame size as O back then, hence the third rail That is often mintioned.


________________________________
From: Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Caboose Video American Flyer



 

Looks like a nice, metal G Scale caboose. Not one to wish problems on
other people, possibly she should be a little careful - she could slip
off and sprain/break her ankle.
RV (Norway)

On 3/19/2012 15:37, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI3nUnLYE6c
>
> I was looking for a youtube video of a operating AF Caboose, the type
> with the man that is in the back, so I could show a O gauge friend how
> it works.
>
> So I YouTube American Flyer Operating Caboose hoping to find a video,
> and this is the closest I got to it, as Cindy does a fine job in
> Operating this caboose to bits.
>
> It seems Cindy likes to do this to many things as she has not left out
> Lionel on her channel of video's she has made.
>
> Does Cindy have a problem in life, maybe a husband or boyfriend that
> preferred trains over her or maybe Cindy is just plain weird.
>
> So Hugo is having smash a caboose night on the field on April 14,
> Saturday when the D&K Pinheads take on the Williamsport Cushwa Bricks.
> Special guest appearance by the master of crushing things in high
> heels, Cindy!!!!!!
>
> All fans are invited in honor of the Cushwa Bricks baseball team to
> bring your own caboose, your scale, your choice and fans with a
> caboose will receive one Cushwa Brick, since High Heels are not
> allowed on the field due to insurance policy restrictions and they can
> go at it on their caboose.
>
> Bricks must be returned as fans leave the field. Hugo is afraid that
> the bricks could be used as WMD's from drunken fans from the David
> Dewey's Eat Em Ups and Drink Em Ups Concession stand. They might throw
> bricks at David for the cheap beer he sells.
>
> No Tender left behind,
>
> Mike Marmer
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68889 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
Rance,

No I don’t wish her ill, but this is not normal behavior in life.

Mike

From: Rance Velapoldi
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:04 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Caboose Video American Flyer


Looks like a nice, metal G Scale caboose. Not one to wish problems on
other people, possibly she should be a little careful - she could slip
off and sprain/break her ankle.
RV (Norway)

On 3/19/2012 15:37, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI3nUnLYE6c
>
> I was looking for a youtube video of a operating AF Caboose, the type
> with the man that is in the back, so I could show a O gauge friend how
> it works.
>
> So I YouTube American Flyer Operating Caboose hoping to find a video,
> and this is the closest I got to it, as Cindy does a fine job in
> Operating this caboose to bits.
>
> It seems Cindy likes to do this to many things as she has not left out
> Lionel on her channel of video's she has made.
>
> Does Cindy have a problem in life, maybe a husband or boyfriend that
> preferred trains over her or maybe Cindy is just plain weird.
>
> So Hugo is having smash a caboose night on the field on April 14,
> Saturday when the D&K Pinheads take on the Williamsport Cushwa Bricks.
> Special guest appearance by the master of crushing things in high
> heels, Cindy!!!!!!
>
> All fans are invited in honor of the Cushwa Bricks baseball team to
> bring your own caboose, your scale, your choice and fans with a
> caboose will receive one Cushwa Brick, since High Heels are not
> allowed on the field due to insurance policy restrictions and they can
> go at it on their caboose.
>
> Bricks must be returned as fans leave the field. Hugo is afraid that
> the bricks could be used as WMD's from drunken fans from the David
> Dewey's Eat Em Ups and Drink Em Ups Concession stand. They might throw
> bricks at David for the cheap beer he sells.
>
> No Tender left behind,
>
> Mike Marmer
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68890 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Caboose video American Flyer
This looks like an American Flyer "Standard Gauge" caboose made by the old Chicago American Flyer. Not a cheap piece to let some demented bi**h crush to death. On the other hand, it took her some effort to destroy this caboose, proving again that "they don't make 'em like they used too!"
I watched a couple of the other videos there and the Chaparral slot car is a fairly rare Cox brand car. I still have mine from the old days that has a collector value of about $600!
Somebody with too much money and too few brains is at work here, and I don't think it's "Cindy" herself. Possibly some young punk with no respect for history. Maybe we should have her work over his iPod or computer games? :-)
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68891 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Helicopter toy
I remember these as well. Something sticks in my mind that Ideal Toy did them, but I can't remember for sure. They were a bit expensive.
I think a "controlable" helicopter and airplane were made in the later fifties or early sixties. When we lived in town, a neighbor a few years younger than me had one of the airplanes with the controls like you describe. This had to be between '58 and '61.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68892 From: Obie Bell Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
Mike, How in the Heck do you come up with this stuff? Are you searching for "Attack of the 50 foot woman?"Obie

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: mlmarmer@...
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:02:36 -0400
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Caboose Video American Flyer




























Rance,



No I don�t wish her ill, but this is not normal behavior in life.



Mike



From: Rance Velapoldi

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:04 AM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Caboose Video American Flyer



Looks like a nice, metal G Scale caboose. Not one to wish problems on

other people, possibly she should be a little careful - she could slip

off and sprain/break her ankle.

RV (Norway)



On 3/19/2012 15:37, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI3nUnLYE6c

>

> I was looking for a youtube video of a operating AF Caboose, the type

> with the man that is in the back, so I could show a O gauge friend how

> it works.

>

> So I YouTube American Flyer Operating Caboose hoping to find a video,

> and this is the closest I got to it, as Cindy does a fine job in

> Operating this caboose to bits.

>

> It seems Cindy likes to do this to many things as she has not left out

> Lionel on her channel of video's she has made.

>

> Does Cindy have a problem in life, maybe a husband or boyfriend that

> preferred trains over her or maybe Cindy is just plain weird.

>

> So Hugo is having smash a caboose night on the field on April 14,

> Saturday when the D&K Pinheads take on the Williamsport Cushwa Bricks.

> Special guest appearance by the master of crushing things in high

> heels, Cindy!!!!!!

>

> All fans are invited in honor of the Cushwa Bricks baseball team to

> bring your own caboose, your scale, your choice and fans with a

> caboose will receive one Cushwa Brick, since High Heels are not

> allowed on the field due to insurance policy restrictions and they can

> go at it on their caboose.

>

> Bricks must be returned as fans leave the field. Hugo is afraid that

> the bricks could be used as WMD's from drunken fans from the David

> Dewey's Eat Em Ups and Drink Em Ups Concession stand. They might throw

> bricks at David for the cheap beer he sells.

>

> No Tender left behind,

>

> Mike Marmer

>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68893 From: rick gough Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: 25052 Caboose
...............and the point is ................
 
rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68894 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
Hi Alan:
Well, I was thinking that it was an AF prewar ogauge type, but then I
thought how could she be so destructive of something that looked in
quite good shape from before 1946!! Well, each to their own (or as the
saying goes, to each his own).
Rance

On 3/19/2012 17:16, Alan Lambert wrote:
>
> From: Alan lambert
>
> Rance,
> That is definitly Pre war Ogauge American Flyer. It was theSame size
> as O back then, hence the third rail That is often mintioned.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...
> <mailto:rvelapoldi%40gmail.com>>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Caboose Video American Flyer
>
>
>
>
> Looks like a nice, metal G Scale caboose. Not one to wish problems on
> other people, possibly she should be a little careful - she could slip
> off and sprain/break her ankle.
> RV (Norway)
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68895 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose video American Flyer
From: Alan Lambert
 
Stumpy,
You brought up some good thoughts. Money means nothing to (them).


________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 1:15 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Caboose video American Flyer



 

This looks like an American Flyer "Standard Gauge" caboose made by the old Chicago American Flyer. Not a cheap piece to let some demented bi**h crush to death. On the other hand, it took her some effort to destroy this caboose, proving again that "they don't make 'em like they used too!"
I watched a couple of the other videos there and the Chaparral slot car is a fairly rare Cox brand car. I still have mine from the old days that has a collector value of about $600!
Somebody with too much money and too few brains is at work here, and I don't think it's "Cindy" herself. Possibly some young punk with no respect for history. Maybe we should have her work over his iPod or computer games? :-)
Stumpy in Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68896 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose video American Flyer
I agree this woman is not probably named Cindy, as I think she has issues in life and she could of sold the items she destroyed and used the money for a charity.

I see there are other “Cindy’s” on the side link doing this to other products too.

Must be the latest fad for some type of group of people out in this world?

Again, I only found these by accident.

Real sad,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68897 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
LOL

I completely explain how I saw this in searching for something AF and this
made the connection due to the words American Flyer and Caboose.

And no, the woman is probably not named Cindy and I just don't understand
that kind of behavior.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Obie Bell
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 4:09 PM
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Caboose Video American Flyer


Mike, How in the Heck do you come up with this stuff? Are you searching
for "Attack of the 50 foot woman?"Obie

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: mlmarmer@...
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:02:36 -0400
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Caboose Video American Flyer




























Rance,



No I don’t wish her ill, but this is not normal behavior in life.



Mike



From: Rance Velapoldi

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:04 AM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Caboose Video American Flyer



Looks like a nice, metal G Scale caboose. Not one to wish problems on

other people, possibly she should be a little careful - she could slip

off and sprain/break her ankle.

RV (Norway)



On 3/19/2012 15:37, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI3nUnLYE6c

>

> I was looking for a youtube video of a operating AF Caboose, the type

> with the man that is in the back, so I could show a O gauge friend how

> it works.

>

> So I YouTube American Flyer Operating Caboose hoping to find a video,

> and this is the closest I got to it, as Cindy does a fine job in

> Operating this caboose to bits.

>

> It seems Cindy likes to do this to many things as she has not left out

> Lionel on her channel of video's she has made.

>

> Does Cindy have a problem in life, maybe a husband or boyfriend that

> preferred trains over her or maybe Cindy is just plain weird.

>

> So Hugo is having smash a caboose night on the field on April 14,

> Saturday when the D&K Pinheads take on the Williamsport Cushwa Bricks.

> Special guest appearance by the master of crushing things in high

> heels, Cindy!!!!!!

>

> All fans are invited in honor of the Cushwa Bricks baseball team to

> bring your own caboose, your scale, your choice and fans with a

> caboose will receive one Cushwa Brick, since High Heels are not

> allowed on the field due to insurance policy restrictions and they can

> go at it on their caboose.

>

> Bricks must be returned as fans leave the field. Hugo is afraid that

> the bricks could be used as WMD's from drunken fans from the David

> Dewey's Eat Em Ups and Drink Em Ups Concession stand. They might throw

> bricks at David for the cheap beer he sells.

>

> No Tender left behind,

>

> Mike Marmer

>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68898 From: rick gough Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Caboose video American Flyer
Stumpy, the Chaparral did make me a little ill, but McLaren would have approved back in the days of CanAm....
 
rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68899 From: Obie Bell Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose video American Flyer
Well Stumpy I don't know how you can figure the percentage but the value of your Chaparral just increased.Obie

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: mrstumpy@...
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:15:25 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Caboose video American Flyer




























This looks like an American Flyer "Standard Gauge" caboose made by the old Chicago American Flyer. Not a cheap piece to let some demented bi**h crush to death. On the other hand, it took her some effort to destroy this caboose, proving again that "they don't make 'em like they used too!"

I watched a couple of the other videos there and the Chaparral slot car is a fairly rare Cox brand car. I still have mine from the old days that has a collector value of about $600!

Somebody with too much money and too few brains is at work here, and I don't think it's "Cindy" herself. Possibly some young punk with no respect for history. Maybe we should have her work over his iPod or computer games? :-)

Stumpy in Ahia


















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Group: S-Trains Message: 68900 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose video American Flyer
I don't understand her (and her videos) at all!

Rick


On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:

>
> I agree this woman is not probably named Cindy, as I think she has issues in life and she could of sold the items she destroyed and used the money for a charity.
>
> I see there are other �Cindy�s� on the side link doing this to other products too.
>
> Must be the latest fad for some type of group of people out in this world?
>
> Again, I only found these by accident.
>
> Real sad,
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68901 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
From: Alan Lambert
 
Rance,
goes to show that some people don't know what they have. She may have been ticked of because he buohgt that instead of something for her. My thoughts.
� Alan


________________________________
From: Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Caboose Video American Flyer



 

Hi Alan:
Well, I was thinking that it was an AF prewar ogauge type, but then I
thought how could she be so destructive of something that looked in
quite good shape from before 1946!! Well, each to their own (or as the
saying goes, to each his own).
Rance

On 3/19/2012 17:16, Alan Lambert wrote:
>
> From: Alan lambert
>
> Rance,
> That is definitly Pre war Ogauge American Flyer. It was theSame size
> as O back then, hence the third rail That is often mintioned.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...
> <mailto:rvelapoldi%40gmail.com>>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Caboose Video American Flyer
>
>
>
>
> Looks like a nice, metal G Scale caboose. Not one to wish problems on
> other people, possibly she should be a little careful - she could slip
> off and sprain/break her ankle.
> RV (Norway)
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68902 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
My take on this is that these trains were probably part of a divorce settlement and she's taking out her frustrations and hatred of her ex-husband by crushing his trains and putting the videos on the web. She probably emails him the links to each video just to make sure he sees it. A very vindictive woman and one of the reasons they are not together any longer. Of course, this is just a guess on my part.

She has serious issues.

Bruce



From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:37 AM
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Steve Conard ; Linda Marmer ; Ralph Loveless ; gmc50@... ; Jim Hartley
Subject: [S-Trains] Caboose Video American Flyer



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI3nUnLYE6c

I was looking for a youtube video of a operating AF Caboose, the type with the man that is in the back, so I could show a O gauge friend how it works.

So I YouTube American Flyer Operating Caboose hoping to find a video, and this is the closest I got to it, as Cindy does a fine job in Operating this caboose to bits.

It seems Cindy likes to do this to many things as she has not left out Lionel on her channel of video's she has made.

Does Cindy have a problem in life, maybe a husband or boyfriend that preferred trains over her or maybe Cindy is just plain weird.

So Hugo is having smash a caboose night on the field on April 14, Saturday when the D&K Pinheads take on the Williamsport Cushwa Bricks. Special guest appearance by the master of crushing things in high heels, Cindy!!!!!!

All fans are invited in honor of the Cushwa Bricks baseball team to bring your own caboose, your scale, your choice and fans with a caboose will receive one Cushwa Brick, since High Heels are not allowed on the field due to insurance policy restrictions and they can go at it on their caboose.

Bricks must be returned as fans leave the field. Hugo is afraid that the bricks could be used as WMD's from drunken fans from the David Dewey's Eat Em Ups and Drink Em Ups Concession stand. They might throw bricks at David for the cheap beer he sells.

No Tender left behind,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68903 From: fyrrfytr49 Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Caboose video
I liked it for one reason ...In the process she screwed up her lovely red shoes and ripped the heel when she got it stuck in the caboose window....that cost her.....there no good now ...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68904 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Re: Caboose Video American Flyer
Or, it could be something as simple as a piece of “performance art”. Unless they tell us, there is no way of knowing. Which is fine with me.



Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:16 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Caboose Video American Flyer






My take on this is that these trains were probably part of a divorce settlement and she's taking out her frustrations and hatred of her ex-husband by crushing his trains and putting the videos on the web. She probably emails him the links to each video just to make sure he sees it. A very vindictive woman and one of the reasons they are not together any longer. Of course, this is just a guess on my part.

She has serious issues.

Bruce

From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:37 AM
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com> ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ; Steve Conard ; Linda Marmer ; Ralph Loveless ; gmc50@... <mailto:gmc50%40optonline.net> ; Jim Hartley
Subject: [S-Trains] Caboose Video American Flyer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI3nUnLYE6c

I was looking for a youtube video of a operating AF Caboose, the type with the man that is in the back, so I could show a O gauge friend how it works.

So I YouTube American Flyer Operating Caboose hoping to find a video, and this is the closest I got to it, as Cindy does a fine job in Operating this caboose to bits.

It seems Cindy likes to do this to many things as she has not left out Lionel on her channel of video's she has made.

Does Cindy have a problem in life, maybe a husband or boyfriend that preferred trains over her or maybe Cindy is just plain weird.

So Hugo is having smash a caboose night on the field on April 14, Saturday when the D&K Pinheads take on the Williamsport Cushwa Bricks. Special guest appearance by the master of crushing things in high heels, Cindy!!!!!!

All fans are invited in honor of the Cushwa Bricks baseball team to bring your own caboose, your scale, your choice and fans with a caboose will receive one Cushwa Brick, since High Heels are not allowed on the field due to insurance policy restrictions and they can go at it on their caboose.

Bricks must be returned as fans leave the field. Hugo is afraid that the bricks could be used as WMD's from drunken fans from the David Dewey's Eat Em Ups and Drink Em Ups Concession stand. They might throw bricks at David for the cheap beer he sells.

No Tender left behind,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68905 From: emmersmom1950 Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Hello all,
I saw something really interesting today so I thought I would run it by all of you. I know my hubby had to have the 4611A set which was supposed to come with the 322 AC engine. However, I saw a 322 engine on ebay in a 322 ac box. I then looked in the 1940 Gilbert catalog and saw the 4611A set and the engine in the original ad was a 322. Are there some 4611A seets with 322 engines and some with 322 AC engines? I think I will start looking for pieces as half the fun is the hunt. Looking forward to your answers, Thanks, Sue

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> I AM UPLOADING A GREENBERG FARM SET ABOUT 10:30 TONIGHT ALONG WITH A LOT OF OTHER STUFF.... CHECK chief-pile-it FOR LISTINGS.... OVER 100 ITEMS.... BOB CONNER
>
> --- On Sun, 3/18/12, alizoo@... <alizoo@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: alizoo@... <alizoo@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, March 18, 2012, 8:21 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> I am sure I have a repro of the farm buildinmgs kit somewhere. Alistair
>
> On Mon 19/03/12 9:13 AM , Brady Burdge brady@... sent:
> > >
> > Could it have been the 5001T?
> >
> > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18
> > .htm[1]
> > I'm not aware of any reproductions of the farm set, but there are a
> > lot
> > of card-stock kits available on the internet
> > The whistle might have been a seperate-sale 577
> >
> > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37
> > .htm[2]
> > Brady Burdge
> >
> >
> > Links:
> > ------
> > [1]
> > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18
> > .htm[2]
> > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37
> > .htm[5]
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvdWExMmIxBF9TAzk3Mz
> > U5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2ODg3MgRzZWMDZnRyB
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68906 From: charlie and edith Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Flyer 370 Question
Greetings!

I have a 370 that is a very fast running engine ..... in order to change direction without derailing cars, the transformer needs to be around 25mph. At this setting, the reverse unit is reluctant to cycle. Anyone found a "fix" for this type of problem?

Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68907 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer 370 Question
Charlie,
     Put a DALLEE #400 electronic reverse unit in the engine. Solves all of the problems.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
 


--- On Mon, 3/19/12, charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> wrote:


From: charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer 370 Question
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 10:31 PM



 



Greetings!

I have a 370 that is a very fast running engine ..... in order to change direction without derailing cars, the transformer needs to be around 25mph. At this setting, the reverse unit is reluctant to cycle. Anyone found a "fix" for this type of problem?

Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
Charlie in W MI

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68908 From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: AF 660 - Aluminum Combine
My S friends,

I've been trying to put together an operator set of aluminum cars to
pull behind my childhood 336 loco. So far, I gotten an observation car
and combine. I've ended up with an extra combine (660). It is in fair
to good condition. Their is a bit of surface rust on the base and the
couplers are missing (I'm guessing someone started to convert them to
knuckles - but quit before finishing). Their is a dent/deep scratch
(about 1/4") on the bottom of the skirt on one side - looks like
someone tried to cut the aluminum with a pair of dikes. The
sillohuettes are present, but warped and will not stay in the channel.
Any way, I'd like to move it to get some funds for the coach (or two)
and dome liner that I'm missing. I'll sell this one for $30 and I'll
ship it. Will also consider a trade for a similar condition coach or
dome liner.
If your interested, contact me off-list at dmunseyjr-at-comcast-dot-net.

Don Munsey, Jr
1:24n42; 1:24n16; 1:64 & 1:64n42 Swamp and River Logging Fan
Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana, USA

fmg



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68909 From: R G Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
The only real different between the 322 Hudson and the 322AC Hudson is the AC on the cab.  The AC Gilbert company for a few years in the late 40's early 50's produced a couple of locomotives that ran only on DC power, they were the 332 4-8-4 Northern and the 342 0-8-0 switcher.  However  they labeled all of their locomotives as AC even though a DC version of the locomotives was never produced.



________________________________
From: emmersmom1950 <emmersmom1950@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:03 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Newbie needs a lot of help


 
Hello all,
I saw something really interesting today so I thought I would run it by all of you. I know my hubby had to have the 4611A set which was supposed to come with the 322 AC engine. However, I saw a 322 engine on ebay in a 322 ac box. I then looked in the 1940 Gilbert catalog and saw the 4611A set and the engine in the original ad was a 322. Are there some 4611A seets with 322 engines and some with 322 AC engines? I think I will start looking for pieces as half the fun is the hunt. Looking forward to your answers, Thanks, Sue

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> I AM UPLOADING A GREENBERG FARM SET ABOUT 10:30 TONIGHT ALONG WITH A LOT OF OTHER STUFF.... CHECK chief-pile-it FOR LISTINGS.... OVER 100 ITEMS.... BOB CONNER
>
> --- On Sun, 3/18/12, alizoo@... <alizoo@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: alizoo@... <alizoo@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, March 18, 2012, 8:21 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> I am sure I have a repro of the farm buildinmgs kit somewhere. Alistair
>
> On Mon 19/03/12 9:13 AM , Brady Burdge brady@... sent:
> > >
> > Could it have been the 5001T?
> >
> > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18
> > .htm[1]
> > I'm not aware of any reproductions of the farm set, but there are a
> > lot
> > of card-stock kits available on the internet
> > The whistle might have been a seperate-sale 577
> >
> > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37
> > .htm[2]
> > Brady Burdge
> >
> >
> > Links:
> > ------
> > [1]
> > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18
> > .htm[2]
> > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37
> > .htm[5]
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvdWExMmIxBF9TAzk3Mz
> > U5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2ODg3MgRzZWMDZnRyB
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68910 From: Herbert Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
I don't think you mean the 1940 catalog. All those sets started with #40nn.
The 4611 was cataloged in 1946 and 1947. The A was added in the 1948 catalog with a 322AC engine, although the photo shows a 322. I will yield to someone with more expertise in set content for further comment.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "emmersmom1950" <emmersmom1950@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> I saw something really interesting today so I thought I would run it by all of you. I know my hubby had to have the 4611A set which was supposed to come with the 322 AC engine. However, I saw a 322 engine on ebay in a 322 ac box. I then looked in the 1940 Gilbert catalog and saw the 4611A set and the engine in the original ad was a 322. Are there some 4611A seets with 322 engines and some with 322 AC engines? I think I will start looking for pieces as half the fun is the hunt. Looking forward to your answers, Thanks, Sue
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:
> >
> > I AM UPLOADING A GREENBERG FARM SET ABOUT 10:30 TONIGHT ALONG WITH A LOT OF OTHER STUFF.... CHECK chief-pile-it FOR LISTINGS.... OVER 100 ITEMS.... BOB CONNER
> >
> > --- On Sun, 3/18/12, alizoo@ <alizoo@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: alizoo@ <alizoo@>
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, March 18, 2012, 8:21 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > I am sure I have a repro of the farm buildinmgs kit somewhere. Alistair
> >
> > On Mon 19/03/12 9:13 AM , Brady Burdge brady@ sent:
> > > >
> > > Could it have been the 5001T?
> > >
> > > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18
> > > .htm[1]
> > > I'm not aware of any reproductions of the farm set, but there are a
> > > lot
> > > of card-stock kits available on the internet
> > > The whistle might have been a seperate-sale 577
> > >
> > > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37
> > > .htm[2]
> > > Brady Burdge
> > >
> > >
> > > Links:
> > > ------
> > > [1]
> > > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18
> > > .htm[2]
> > > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37
> > > .htm[5]
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvdWExMmIxBF9TAzk3Mz
> > > U5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2ODg3MgRzZWMDZnRyB
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> > > W1lAzEzMzIxMTU3ODI-[7]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68911 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
The first two numbers of the set is for the year, pre five digit set numbers that started around 1955 or so Those sets start with a 2, so not a year.

Have fun looking for these items for your husband.

Then it will get habit forming in what ever he does with trains, either collecting or just running them.

And get involved with him on this hobby, learn together, as there are books out there on American Flyer, history, websites.

Linda loves the trains and loves going to train shows.

Enjoy,

Mike

From: Herbert
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:22 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Newbie needs a lot of help


I don't think you mean the 1940 catalog. All those sets started with #40nn.
The 4611 was cataloged in 1946 and 1947. The A was added in the 1948 catalog with a 322AC engine, although the photo shows a 322. I will yield to someone with more expertise in set content for further comment.

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "emmersmom1950" <emmersmom1950@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> I saw something really interesting today so I thought I would run it by all of you. I know my hubby had to have the 4611A set which was supposed to come with the 322 AC engine. However, I saw a 322 engine on ebay in a 322 ac box. I then looked in the 1940 Gilbert catalog and saw the 4611A set and the engine in the original ad was a 322. Are there some 4611A seets with 322 engines and some with 322 AC engines? I think I will start looking for pieces as half the fun is the hunt. Looking forward to your answers, Thanks, Sue
>
> --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:
> >
> > I AM UPLOADING A GREENBERG FARM SET ABOUT 10:30 TONIGHT ALONG WITH A LOT OF OTHER STUFF.... CHECK chief-pile-it FOR LISTINGS.... OVER 100 ITEMS.... BOB CONNER
> >
> > --- On Sun, 3/18/12, alizoo@ <alizoo@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: alizoo@ <alizoo@>
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help
> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, March 18, 2012, 8:21 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> > I am sure I have a repro of the farm buildinmgs kit somewhere. Alistair
> >
> > On Mon 19/03/12 9:13 AM , Brady Burdge brady@ sent:
> > > >
> > > Could it have been the 5001T?
> > >
> > > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18
> > > .htm[1]
> > > I'm not aware of any reproductions of the farm set, but there are a
> > > lot
> > > of card-stock kits available on the internet
> > > The whistle might have been a seperate-sale 577
> > >
> > > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37
> > > .htm[2]
> > > Brady Burdge
> > >
> > >
> > > Links:
> > > ------
> > > [1]
> > > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18
> > > .htm[2]
> > > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68912 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Zippy and the RR's
http://www.sfgate.com/comics/?feature_id=Zippy_the_Pinhead

today’s Zippy is train related to the life of the Ho Bo, in the town of Dingburg, as you get one Hostess Ho Ho a day, the food of all pinheads.

Dingburg is my town on my layout.

The title of the comic is from a RR song, as Utah Phillips recorded this. Not sure if he wrote it. Utah who passed away, did many RR songs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZtJdNIUcC4 Utah is a great story teller.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68913 From: emmersmom1950 Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Hello, you are all correct. I meant to type 1948 catalog, but my one fingered typing on this tiny leads to many typos. I was just curious because I saw a nice 322 engine on eBay but the box flap was stamped 322ac and the 1948 catalog showed a 322 with the 4611a set, not a 322ac. Thanks for sharing all your knowledge, Sue

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> The first two numbers of the set is for the year, pre five digit set numbers that started around 1955 or so Those sets start with a 2, so not a year.
>
> Have fun looking for these items for your husband.
>
> Then it will get habit forming in what ever he does with trains, either collecting or just running them.
>
> And get involved with him on this hobby, learn together, as there are books out there on American Flyer, history, websites.
>
> Linda loves the trains and loves going to train shows.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Mike
>
> From: Herbert
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:22 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
>
>
> I don't think you mean the 1940 catalog. All those sets started with #40nn.
> The 4611 was cataloged in 1946 and 1947. The A was added in the 1948 catalog with a 322AC engine, although the photo shows a 322. I will yield to someone with more expertise in set content for further comment.
>
> --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "emmersmom1950" <emmersmom1950@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> > I saw something really interesting today so I thought I would run it by all of you. I know my hubby had to have the 4611A set which was supposed to come with the 322 AC engine. However, I saw a 322 engine on ebay in a 322 ac box. I then looked in the 1940 Gilbert catalog and saw the 4611A set and the engine in the original ad was a 322. Are there some 4611A seets with 322 engines and some with 322 AC engines? I think I will start looking for pieces as half the fun is the hunt. Looking forward to your answers, Thanks, Sue
> >
> > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I AM UPLOADING A GREENBERG FARM SET ABOUT 10:30 TONIGHT ALONG WITH A LOT OF OTHER STUFF.... CHECK chief-pile-it FOR LISTINGS.... OVER 100 ITEMS.... BOB CONNER
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 3/18/12, alizoo@ <alizoo@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: alizoo@ <alizoo@>
> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help
> > > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, March 18, 2012, 8:21 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am sure I have a repro of the farm buildinmgs kit somewhere. Alistair
> > >
> > > On Mon 19/03/12 9:13 AM , Brady Burdge brady@ sent:
> > > > >
> > > > Could it have been the 5001T?
> > > >
> > > > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18
> > > > .htm[1]
> > > > I'm not aware of any reproductions of the farm set, but there are a
> > > > lot
> > > > of card-stock kits available on the internet
> > > > The whistle might have been a seperate-sale 577
> > > >
> > > > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37
> > > > .htm[2]
> > > > Brady Burdge
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Links:
> > > > ------
> > > > [1]
> > > > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18
> > > > .htm[2]
> > > > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37
> > > > .htm[5]
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvdWExMmIxBF9TAzk3Mz
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68914 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Hi Sue,
� The 1948 4611A set came with a Hudson marked 322.  The 322AC marking came with the 1949 4611A. If you have a smoke in boiler Hudson marked 322, that would be correct for the 1948 set. The 1948 catalog reads 322AC in the description of the set, but there were no alpha  designations until 1949. Hope this helps.
� Tom Seccia


________________________________
From: emmersmom1950 <emmersmom1950@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:03 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Newbie needs a lot of help


 
Hello all,
I saw something really interesting today so I thought I would run it by all of you. I know my hubby had to have the 4611A set which was supposed to come with the 322 AC engine. However, I saw a 322 engine on ebay in a 322 ac box. I then looked in the 1940 Gilbert catalog and saw the 4611A set and the engine in the original ad was a 322. Are there some 4611A seets with 322 engines and some with 322 AC engines? I think I will start looking for pieces as half the fun is the hunt. Looking forward to your answers, Thanks, Sue

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> I AM UPLOADING A GREENBERG FARM SET ABOUT 10:30 TONIGHT ALONG WITH A LOT OF OTHER STUFF.... CHECK chief-pile-it FOR LISTINGS.... OVER 100 ITEMS.... BOB CONNER
>
> --- On Sun, 3/18/12, alizoo@... <alizoo@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: alizoo@... <alizoo@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, March 18, 2012, 8:21 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> I am sure I have a repro of the farm buildinmgs kit somewhere. Alistair
>
> On Mon 19/03/12 9:13 AM , Brady Burdge brady@... sent:
> > >
> > Could it have been the 5001T?
> >
> > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18
> > .htm[1]
> > I'm not aware of any reproductions of the farm set, but there are a
> > lot
> > of card-stock kits available on the internet
> > The whistle might have been a seperate-sale 577
> >
> > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37
> > .htm[2]
> > Brady Burdge
> >
> >
> > Links:
> > ------
> > [1]
> > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18
> > .htm[2]
> > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37
> > .htm[5]
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvdWExMmIxBF9TAzk3Mz
> > U5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2ODg3MgRzZWMDZnRyB
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68915 From: Gene Cimino Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
The term Pacific goes back to the Southern Pacific as they were the first to have the 4-6-2 wheel arrangement. The K-5s concept was an experimental attempt to do away with having to double head the famous K-4s to pull passenger trains as the cars got so heavy. One of the two K-5s had a Caprotti valve gear and was given the nickname Mussolini. Kind of a raw slap at the Italian style valve gear.

Caprotti was a very inventive man, but Italian steam was quite small in comparison to the K5; which was so big that it had to be run where trackage was heavy enough to support such size. When Caprotti came to the U.S. and had a look at the engine, he couldn't believe how big it was. The other K5 had a more familiar Walschaerts type valve gear.

In any case the data from the K5s was helpful in steam design for the PRR from that point.

Gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 68916 From: rick gough Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Sue:
So buy it. It will suit your needs perfectly and be the  starter for getting the set together.
 
rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing


________________________________
From: emmersmom1950 <emmersmom1950@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:46 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Newbie needs a lot of help


 
Hello, you are all correct. I meant to type 1948 catalog, but my one fingered typing on this tiny leads to many typos. I was just curious because I saw a nice 322 engine on eBay but the box flap was stamped 322ac and the 1948 catalog showed a 322 with the 4611a set, not a 322ac. Thanks for sharing all your knowledge, Sue

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> The first two numbers of the set is for the year, pre five digit set numbers that started around 1955 or so Those sets start with a 2, so not a year.
>
> Have fun looking for these items for your husband.
>
> Then it will get habit forming in what ever he does with trains, either collecting or just running them.
>
> And get involved with him on this hobby, learn together, as there are books out there on American Flyer, history, websites.
>
> Linda loves the trains and loves going to train shows.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Mike
>
> From: Herbert
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:22 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
>
>
> I don't think you mean the 1940 catalog. All those sets started with #40nn.
> The 4611 was cataloged in 1946 and 1947. The A was added in the 1948 catalog with a 322AC engine, although the photo shows a 322. I will yield to someone with more expertise in set content for further comment.
>
> --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "emmersmom1950" <emmersmom1950@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> > I saw something really interesting today so I thought I would run it by all of you. I know my hubby had to have the 4611A set which was supposed to come with the 322 AC engine. However, I saw a 322 engine on ebay in a 322 ac box. I then looked in the 1940 Gilbert catalog and saw the 4611A set and the engine in the original ad was a 322. Are there some 4611A seets with 322 engines and some with 322 AC engines? I think I will start looking for pieces as half the fun is the hunt. Looking forward to your answers, Thanks, Sue
> >
> > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I AM UPLOADING A GREENBERG FARM SET ABOUT 10:30 TONIGHT ALONG WITH A LOT OF OTHER STUFF.... CHECK chief-pile-it FOR LISTINGS.... OVER 100 ITEMS.... BOB CONNER
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 3/18/12, alizoo@ <alizoo@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: alizoo@ <alizoo@>
> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help
> > > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, March 18, 2012, 8:21 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am sure I have a repro of the farm buildinmgs kit somewhere. Alistair
> > >
> > > On Mon 19/03/12 9:13 AM , Brady Burdge brady@ sent:
> > > > >
> > > > Could it have been the 5001T?
> > > >
> > > > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18
> > > > .htm[1]
> > > > I'm not aware of any reproductions of the farm set, but there are a
> > > > lot
> > > > of card-stock kits available on the internet
> > > > The whistle might have been a seperate-sale 577
> > > >
> > > > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37
> > > > .htm[2]
> > > > Brady Burdge
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Links:
> > > > ------
> > > > [1]
> > > > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page18
> > > > .htm[2]
> > > > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page37
> > > > .htm[5]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68917 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
and he notes -

There are several accounts of the origin of the name (pertaining to
the 4-6-2 Steam locomotive). One popular with Historians is the
naming of the first of the type (built by Baldwin) going to New
Zealand in 1901 and being shipped on the Pacific Ocean. The first
domestic purchases were made by the Missouri Pacific in 1902 who
called them "Pacifics". Most railfans accept this as the origin of the name.

Espee's P-1 4-6-2s didn't arrive until 1906 and were built by Burnham
Williams Co. (later incorporated into Baldwin).

Raleigh in Balmeigh Maineigh...

At 01:41 PM 3/20/2012, Gene Cimino wrote:
>
>
>The term Pacific goes back to the Southern Pacific as they were the
>first to have the 4-6-2 wheel arrangement. The K-5s concept was an
>experimental attempt to do away with having to double head the
>famous K-4s to pull passenger trains as the cars got so heavy. One
>of the two K-5s had a Caprotti valve gear and was given the nickname
>Mussolini. Kind of a raw slap at the Italian style valve gear.
>
>Caprotti was a very inventive man, but Italian steam was quite small
>in comparison to the K5; which was so big that it had to be run
>where trackage was heavy enough to support such size. When Caprotti
>came to the U.S. and had a look at the engine, he couldn't believe
>how big it was. The other K5 had a more familiar Walschaerts type valve gear.
>
>In any case the data from the K5s was helpful in steam design for
>the PRR from that point.
>
>Gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 68918 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Lowest cost uncouplers??
The easiest electromagnet is a nail wrapped in coated wire. The more times you wrap around, the stronger the magnetic force. I used a 6D finish nail and an old slotcar wallpack. It's almost strong enough(I think). The bottom of the AF coupler is metal, and should hold a magnetic charge. As long as all of your cars are polarized the same, a 6D framing nail with the head up should be enough to uncouple a car when power runs thru the electromagnet. I don't know about you, but a few nails and strong magnets to polarize your cars seems like an awe inspiring project. As this is the beginning of my testing, anyone else out there who's interested in field tests, all conversations are welcome. I know it's a bit time consuming to magnetize the car's couplers, but it's easy enough to put the magnet on and walk away for a day or so. Let's see where this goes.
Group: S-Trains Message: 68919 From: Paul Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
agreed. the hunt is on and probably the hardest part to find nice will
be behind you.
it should be the largest outlay of cash, consider yourself begun and
committed. paul

On 3/20/2012 3:41 PM, rick gough wrote:
>
> Sue:
> So buy it. It will suit your needs perfectly and be the starter for
> getting the set together.
>
> rick gough
> mudshark datsun
> 510 racing
>
> ________________________________
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> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:46 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
>
>
>
> Hello, you are all correct. I meant to type 1948 catalog, but my one
> fingered typing on this tiny leads to many typos. I was just curious
> because I saw a nice 322 engine on eBay but the box flap was stamped
> 322ac and the 1948 catalog showed a 322 with the 4611a set, not a
> 322ac. Thanks for sharing all your knowledge, Sue
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68920 From: plotnick@earthlink.net Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Lionel Docksider runs slow
At last weekend's train show, my Lionel Docksider began to run much slower than it had before. At home, it still ran slow after I lubricated the wheels and rods. I have no experience doing repairs on Flyonel engines. Any suggestions? BTW, the club AC system runs up to 18W. - Thanks! - Roy
Group: S-Trains Message: 68921 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncouplers??
Maybe I don't understand this, but are you planning on putting the
electromagnet between the rails? Since AF couplers uncouple by raising
the weight are you going to count on repulsion, rather than attraction
by the magnet to operate the coupler? Can you get that much magnetism
going by a nail electromagnet and a magnetized coupler weight? If you
place a magnet permanently on the coupler weight, you also increase its
weight giving magnetic repulsion more to fight against.

Dale

On 3/20/2012 3:29 PM, i_am_3_16_o wrote:
>
> The easiest electromagnet is a nail wrapped in coated wire. The more
> times you wrap around, the stronger the magnetic force. I used a 6D
> finish nail and an old slotcar wallpack. It's almost strong enough(I
> think). The bottom of the AF coupler is metal, and should hold a
> magnetic charge. As long as all of your cars are polarized the same, a
> 6D framing nail with the head up should be enough to uncouple a car
> when power runs thru the electromagnet. I don't know about you, but a
> few nails and strong magnets to polarize your cars seems like an awe
> inspiring project. As this is the beginning of my testing, anyone else
> out there who's interested in field tests, all conversations are
> welcome. I know it's a bit time consuming to magnetize the car's
> couplers, but it's easy enough to put the magnet on and walk away for
> a day or so. Let's see where this goes.
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68922 From: Bob Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: Reduced Spring AF Prices
Good evening members. Check my website www.americanflyertrains4u.com for Spring price reductions on my Classic American Flyer items. The new costs per item are only for the traditional AF not the Lionel/Flyer trains. Take care and have a great rest of the week.

Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 68923 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/21/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncouplers?
Pardon me for saying this, but aren't you trying to "re-invent the wheel?" Or do I not understand? The Flyer knuckle couplers uncouple by pushing upward on the weight under the knuckle. There are electric uncouplers, manual uncouplers (which you can even make yourself), and you can reach under the couplers with a small screwdriver and release them too.
It seems that going into magnetising all the couplers in a fleet would be much more of a hassle than having a little screwdriver in your pocket. Besides, using the screwdriver is like a brakeman "pulling the pin" uncoupling cars on a real railroad.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68924 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 3/21/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncouplers?
I have also thought about having hidden uncouplers of some type in the yards in many locations.
It would make for great switching scenarios.
One thought was to use DC solenoids and adding tiny rare earth magnets to the coupler "weights" with the polarity set opposite of the DC electromagnet so it repels upward.

This would be practical for AM and SHS that use plastic "weights". Not so much for ones with metal weights.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: mrstumpy50
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:30 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Lowest cost uncouplers?



Pardon me for saying this, but aren't you trying to "re-invent the wheel?" Or do I not understand? The Flyer knuckle couplers uncouple by pushing upward on the weight under the knuckle. There are electric uncouplers, manual uncouplers (which you can even make yourself), and you can reach under the couplers with a small screwdriver and release them too.
It seems that going into magnetising all the couplers in a fleet would be much more of a hassle than having a little screwdriver in your pocket. Besides, using the screwdriver is like a brakeman "pulling the pin" uncoupling cars on a real railroad.
Stumpy in Ahia





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68925 From: Gene Cimino Date: 3/21/2012
Subject: Re: Pacific vs K5 Pacific
Rollain....

I stand corrected. You are of course correct that it was MoPac not SP. Sometimes the memory gets a bit foggy.

Thanks, Gene
Group: S-Trains Message: 68926 From: Brady Burdge Date: 3/21/2012
Subject: RailPictures.Net Photo: NS 8099 Norfolk Southern GE ES44AC at Chatta
Another NS Heritage diesel..


http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=392712


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 68927 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Breaking News
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/mcdonalds-says-ceo-jim-skinner-retiring-to-be-succeeded-by-current-president-don-thompson/2012/03/21/gIQAUUHiSS_story.html

I just learned today that our very own TCA member and co-owner of S Helper Service Don Thompson has been named CEO of McDonalds.

The word on the street is that with every Happy Meal, in which now you have to pay for the toy, one SHS coal car will be in the meal at no charge.

Oh wait, its not that Don Thompson????

Oh well, never mind.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68928 From: David Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: AF #35X Pilot Truck, Solid Steel (Advertisement)
As per our clients request we are producing a HEAVY WEIGHT (approx. 1oz)
milled solid steel pilot truck that fits the #350, #353, #354 & #356
BULLET NOSED PACIFIC ENGINES. This NEW TRUCK will virtually eliminate
derailments caused by the orginal light weight pressed steel truck.

The first shipping date is 04-01-2012 but may be ordered now to
avoid the rush at:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html>

We also have a NEW ONE PIECE CAST METAL HUDSON/NORTHERN TRAILING
TRUCK (looks like the original but a lot heavier) in the works for a
release date to be announced sometime in April 2012.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68929 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Smoke Fluid Test: LBR "Smoke Cloud"
With all the talk of smoke fluids, Dave Benson at LBR asked if I would do a test of his fluid and report back my findings. Cosidering how this came out, I feel he won't be upset if I report them here as well.

I began by putting my #300 Atlantic on my home built test stand and ran it and ran it to get as much of the previous fluid out of it as possible and dry the wick, which took most of Monday! When the smoke stopped, I put two droppers full of Smoke Cloud down the stack and allowed it to soak the wick over night.

In the morning, I pulled the battery out of the smoke alarm and set the power pack at about 2/3. WOW! The engine smoked heavily for about twenty minutes, filling two rooms with smoke! It ran another twenty producing lesser smoke before I decided that my wife and dog had suffered enough.I decided further test could wait unit the next day.

To me, Smoke Cloud smells a lot like old Gilbert or Anormal 1 smoke fluid. However, Cindy and the dog are the odor experts. While Cindy noted the smell of the smoke was slightly different from the Anormal I have been using, it was not obnoixious in any way. And since the dog didn't leave the room, howl, or go feet in the air, I take that as a vote for the smoke fluid too! :-)

I tested it for smoke production at low speed and got respectable results, while high speed will clear a room in minutes! It even worked well in my Flyonel Docksider with it's modified pot and element smoke unit, although not as well as in the old Flyer unit for which it is designed.

I plan to run LBR Smoke Cloud all weekend at the Spring S Spree in May. If you're there you can see for yourself how it works.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 68930 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: New circus train videos
I have posted 3 new circus train videos on Youtube.

(1) is a Flyonel set with additional custom cars. I bought a second set because the engine that came with the set would not pull much more than the basic set. I renumbered the second engine #5. I then repainted a Gilbert depressed center FC with spotlight, lettered it like the proposed but not built Lionel version. I also repainted some Lionel and Gilbert streamline cars for a baggage car (they carry animals and equipment in these cars), diner (pie car) and two coaches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KNMEicrwh4&list=UUvO1YD5xT8lLqFB1u3F9KfA&index=1&feature=plcp

(2) is a train of Gilbert reproduction circus cars and lots of my own custom creations using my decals. The caboose has decals from LBR Enterprises and the PA set uses reproduction decals from Joes Train Repair. I had to put PAs on this set because the little Gilbert Pacific would not pull this long trains. There is still more to come.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAM-3GhDurA&feature=autoplay&list=UUvO1YD5xT8lLqFB1u3F9KfA&lf=plcp&playnext=2

(3) started as a Scenery Unlimited circus set pulled by an SHS 2-8-0. The picture on the front of the box from scenery unlimited had a passenger car on it. So I bought some undecorated cars from AM, painted them a nice burgundy with silver roof and again my own custom decals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjbJLTUh5wM&list=UUvO1YD5xT8lLqFB1u3F9KfA&index=2&feature=plcp

I have already posted some photos of some individual cars in Waynes circus train photos. When the sun comes out later, and I have time, I will try to post some more, so you can see some of these cars close-up.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 68931 From: Jacques Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: I Updated Some Pictures in my S Trains Folder
Hi Gang,

I've added some pictures of the cardstock buildings I've been working on for my layout. Several of them are haunted, so make sure that you have a pure heart when you view them.

Jacques
Group: S-Trains Message: 68932 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Trost Chicago
I just received a caboose I won on eBay last week, a 25052 Action Caboose, new for 1958 and 1958 only. The caboose was in 4 sets and I am working on sets from 1958. I now only need one more for these sets.

The caboose did come with the box, as like normal, the box has the number and what it is printed out on the end. My caboose like this that I got in a set in 1958 has the stamping hand written in blue ink.

Anyway, what is neat about these boxes, is when they have the sticker on it from the store that sold the item and the price. The price was 8.95, a lot of money in 1958, as 1958 was to be a recession year and that is exactly the right price in the 1958 AF catalog.

But the name of the store on the sticker just has Trost Chicago. So with the computer I googled Trost Chicago and came up with Trost Modelcraft and Hobbies. Most likely the same place, maybe different owner or location.

So I thought I mention this place if any one lived in Chicago or lives there now.

I know Dave Blum is from Chicago, but he wont root for the Nationals, but the Cubs. Just kidding Dave.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68933 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Re: I Updated Some Pictures in my S Trains Folder
From: Alan Lambert
�Lone Star Flyer club
Fort Worth, Texas

Jacques,
I like them. Where did youn get them.
� Thanks,
Alan



________________________________
From: Jacques <aflyerfan@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:07 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] I Updated Some Pictures in my S Trains Folder



 

Hi Gang,

I've added some pictures of the cardstock buildings I've been working on for my layout. Several of them are haunted, so make sure that you have a pure heart when you view them.

Jacques




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68934 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Re: Trost Chicago
Trost was a Southside Chicago hobby shop and wholesale distibutor
It was active until maybe a decade ago when Mike Trost passed away after decades of operating the firm
It was famous for having a basement where all sorts of goodies could be unearthed that we're long out of ciculation
Another famous shop was the House Of Trains which on the Soth Side which specialized in Lionel and American Flyer I imagine that is where my dad got the scale stuff and I vaugely recall a catalog from there with Rex kits and Nimco conversions in it
Charlie Vlk

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:27 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:

> I just received a caboose I won on eBay last week, a 25052 Action Caboose, new for 1958 and 1958 only. The caboose was in 4 sets and I am working on sets from 1958. I now only need one more for these sets.
>
> The caboose did come with the box, as like normal, the box has the number and what it is printed out on the end. My caboose like this that I got in a set in 1958 has the stamping hand written in blue ink.
>
> Anyway, what is neat about these boxes, is when they have the sticker on it from the store that sold the item and the price. The price was 8.95, a lot of money in 1958, as 1958 was to be a recession year and that is exactly the right price in the 1958 AF catalog.
>
> But the name of the store on the sticker just has Trost Chicago. So with the computer I googled Trost Chicago and came up with Trost Modelcraft and Hobbies. Most likely the same place, maybe different owner or location.
>
> So I thought I mention this place if any one lived in Chicago or lives there now.
>
> I know Dave Blum is from Chicago, but he wont root for the Nationals, but the Cubs. Just kidding Dave.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
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>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68935 From: R G Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Re: Trost Chicago
I am from Chicago and Trost was one of the many hobby shops.  I normally went to All Nation and Benty hobby shops.  There was one across the street from my high school and he gave me a sea board coaling tower for free in 1968 since it did not work or have roofs.  I have since restored the tower and it works great!



________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; toytrains@yahoogroups.com; Ralph Loveless <ralcor888@...>; John Picur <jppicur@...>; Steve Conard <steve.conard@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 9:27 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Trost Chicago


 
I just received a caboose I won on eBay last week, a 25052 Action Caboose, new for 1958 and 1958 only. The caboose was in 4 sets and I am working on sets from 1958. I now only need one more for these sets.

The caboose did come with the box, as like normal, the box has the number and what it is printed out on the end. My caboose like this that I got in a set in 1958 has the stamping hand written in blue ink.

Anyway, what is neat about these boxes, is when they have the sticker on it from the store that sold the item and the price. The price was 8.95, a lot of money in 1958, as 1958 was to be a recession year and that is exactly the right price in the 1958 AF catalog.

But the name of the store on the sticker just has Trost Chicago. So with the computer I googled Trost Chicago and came up with Trost Modelcraft and Hobbies. Most likely the same place, maybe different owner or location.

So I thought I mention this place if any one lived in Chicago or lives there now.

I know Dave Blum is from Chicago, but he wont root for the Nationals, but the Cubs. Just kidding Dave.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68936 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Trost Chicago
From: Joseph
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 9:39 PM
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [toytrains] Trost Chicago


<< I just received a caboose I won on eBay last week, a 25052 Action Caboose, new for 1958 and 1958 only.... the name of the store on the sticker just has Trost Chicago. So with the computer I googled Trost Chicago and came up with Trost Modelcraft and Hobbies. >>

Mike,

This site has a photo of the Trost hobby shop in Chicago, which closed in 2006. The hobby shop did business at the same location for 78 years.

http://eddiesrailroad.blogspot.com/2008/01/trost-hobby-shop-on-west-63rd-street.html

According to Trainorders.com, co-founder Mike Trost was sometimes regarded as the founding father of the hobby industry. He had a sign in his office that read: "We are in the hobby business 14 years before it became an industry in 1941." In a 1997 profile in the trade magazine Model Retailer, Mike Trost was hailed as the "Father of the Industry."

For many years, the Trosts took out advertisements in MODEL RAILROADER with entertaining jingles that they called Trost-Lines.

Joseph Lechner





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68937 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Re: Trost Chicago
Thanks Charlie and RG as I learned from the TCA list, they where in the original location.

Sadly the web still has them in business.

I will forward what Joseph Lechner posted with a nice web link about the store.

Interesting history that this store had.

Mike

From: R G
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 9:40 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trost Chicago


I am from Chicago and Trost was one of the many hobby shops. I normally went to All Nation and Benty hobby shops. There was one across the street from my high school and he gave me a sea board coaling tower for free in 1968 since it did not work or have roofs. I have since restored the tower and it works great!

________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com; mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com; Ralph Loveless <mailto:ralcor888%40gmail.com>; John Picur <mailto:jppicur%40telus.net>; Steve Conard <mailto:steve.conard%40comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 9:27 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Trost Chicago



I just received a caboose I won on eBay last week, a 25052 Action Caboose, new for 1958 and 1958 only. The caboose was in 4 sets and I am working on sets from 1958. I now only need one more for these sets.

The caboose did come with the box, as like normal, the box has the number and what it is printed out on the end. My caboose like this that I got in a set in 1958 has the stamping hand written in blue ink.

Anyway, what is neat about these boxes, is when they have the sticker on it from the store that sold the item and the price. The price was 8.95, a lot of money in 1958, as 1958 was to be a recession year and that is exactly the right price in the 1958 AF catalog.

But the name of the store on the sticker just has Trost Chicago. So with the computer I googled Trost Chicago and came up with Trost Modelcraft and Hobbies. Most likely the same place, maybe different owner or location.

So I thought I mention this place if any one lived in Chicago or lives there now.

I know Dave Blum is from Chicago, but he wont root for the Nationals, but the Cubs. Just kidding Dave.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68938 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: AF Corvette Car
http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-NH-Flatcar-w-Corvette-24578-/300684322464?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item46022ea6a0

The above car is from John Heck, who I know is very knowledgeable on things AF.

But he states only the Blue Corvette was a factory issue corvette, as I know there are Red and Yellow one too.

Is this true, as I do not see any variations listed in the price guides for different colored cars.

Are the other Corvettes accepted corvettes for the price guide use in determining a buying price or value as again a price guide is just a guide.

Not in the market for one these flat cars with a Corvette, but will be some day, I just want to make sure all are legit colors for this car.

This car in E with just a corvette in the Greenberg book is 419 and TM is 350.

Thanks

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68940 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Hi Guys, I have a request , this is out the ordinary. My daughters
step-son needs post cards written to his fifth grade class. If you can, could you
send a post card from your state?Her kid needs one from ea. state. Thank
You, Mike
His address:

NIKO BROWN
C/O Alyson Strickland
1160 E Salem
Fresno, Ca 93720

Write: Greeting 5th grade class
Hope to see you here one day/ or anything else (could be train related)



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68941 From: Frank Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Any post card or a state one

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2012, at 11:27 AM, anormal1@... wrote:

>
>
> Hi Guys, I have a request , this is out the ordinary. My daughters
> step-son needs post cards written to his fifth grade class. If you can, could you
> send a post card from your state?Her kid needs one from ea. state. Thank
> You, Mike
> His address:
>
> NIKO BROWN
> C/O Alyson Strickland
> 1160 E Salem
> Fresno, Ca 93720
>
> Write: Greeting 5th grade class
> Hope to see you here one day/ or anything else (could be train related)
>
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>
>
>
>
> TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo!
> Tim Tebow trade delayed yet again
> The QB arrived at the Jets' facility on Thursday, but he's still not an official member of the club.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68942 From: Obie Bell Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Mike, My Greenberg guide book {volume 2} is quite old {published 1984} it lists blue-green, blue, and red for this Corvette. Since Gilbert had a variety of colors available from the slot car sets it seems odd that only one specific color would be used for the train car. I have never really examined one up close but I would safely guess that the bodies were identical as far as screw mounting and that only the frames were different. I saw a factory fresh LN at the Dupage show in the early 90s it had a separate decal sheet and instructions and it was blue. I didn't check it out very closely other than to see that all that was visible was LN condition, because even though I'm a Corvette fan this car is around !/32nd scale {if I remember correctly} and just appeared too out of place on a 1/64th flat car. Amato sells these in yellow, but I think it's just the bodies with no frame. John Heck surely knows something on this because that statement he made obviously is going to cost him some bids. Just a good example of why I wanted John's eBay seller name a little while back. He is not only honest but he volunteers honesty. I think you should pose the question directly to John he should be able to give you a satisfactory answer.Obie

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: mlmarmer@...
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:01:05 -0400
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Corvette Car




























http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-NH-Flatcar-w-Corvette-24578-/300684322464?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item46022ea6a0



The above car is from John Heck, who I know is very knowledgeable on things AF.



But he states only the Blue Corvette was a factory issue corvette, as I know there are Red and Yellow one too.



Is this true, as I do not see any variations listed in the price guides for different colored cars.



Are the other Corvettes accepted corvettes for the price guide use in determining a buying price or value as again a price guide is just a guide.



Not in the market for one these flat cars with a Corvette, but will be some day, I just want to make sure all are legit colors for this car.



This car in E with just a corvette in the Greenberg book is 419 and TM is 350.



Thanks



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68943 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Mike has Maryland covered by me.

Mike

From: anormal1@...
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:27 AM
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: REQUEST




Hi Guys, I have a request , this is out the ordinary. My daughters
step-son needs post cards written to his fifth grade class. If you can, could you
send a post card from your state?Her kid needs one from ea. state. Thank
You, Mike
His address:

NIKO BROWN
C/O Alyson Strickland
1160 E Salem
Fresno, Ca 93720

Write: Greeting 5th grade class
Hope to see you here one day/ or anything else (could be train related)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68944 From: acgilbertguy Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Mike, I agree that John is quite knowledgeable when it comes to Flyer and I have bought from him with confidence. I have two of these flatcars with loads, both with unassembled red Corvettes. Prior to the purchase of the first one, I had checked Greenberg's Vol. 1 and found the description to state the 24578 New Haven flat car came with either a "green-blue, blue, red, yellow or white car". The Doyle book also lists these colors except for the blue-green. My second flat and its load came from two different sources, i.e. the flat and Corvette were purchased separately. The key difference in the two Corvettes is that with the first purchase, the "Road Race" Corvette has no motor and the frame is slightly different to accommodate how it rests on the flat. The second Corvette has the motor, thus was intended to be used with the Gilbert Road Race road system and not the New Haven Flat car. Since the first red Corvette mentioned has no motor and a different frame, that leads me to believe it is correct for the New Haven flat, while clearly the motored version is not. Hopefully others on this list that are more knowledgeable will post their thoughts. Rich


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-NH-Flatcar-w-Corvette-24578-/300684322464?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item46022ea6a0
>
> The above car is from John Heck, who I know is very knowledgeable on things AF.
>
> But he states only the Blue Corvette was a factory issue corvette, as I know there are Red and Yellow one too.
>
> Is this true, as I do not see any variations listed in the price guides for different colored cars.
>
> Are the other Corvettes accepted corvettes for the price guide use in determining a buying price or value as again a price guide is just a guide.
>
> Not in the market for one these flat cars with a Corvette, but will be some day, I just want to make sure all are legit colors for this car.
>
> This car in E with just a corvette in the Greenberg book is 419 and TM is 350.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68945 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
State or City will do, Thank You, Mike


In a message dated 3/23/2012 12:28:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
femiro2002@... writes:




Any post card or a state one

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2012, at 11:27 AM, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...)
wrote:

>
>
> Hi Guys, I have a request , this is out the ordinary. My daughters
> step-son needs post cards written to his fifth grade class. If you can,
could you
> send a post card from your state?Her kid needs one from ea. state. Thank
> You, Mike
> His address:
>
> NIKO BROWN
> C/O Alyson Strickland
> 1160 E Salem
> Fresno, Ca 93720
>
> Write: Greeting 5th grade class
> Hope to see you here one day/ or anything else (could be train related)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo!
> Tim Tebow trade delayed yet again
> The QB arrived at the Jets' facility on Thursday, but he's still not an
official member of the club.
> Privacy Policy

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68946 From: Bob C Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: San Diego County (CA) Layouts Needed For Tour
This is the first call for San Diego County layouts for layout tours
scheduled for July 14 and August 11.

The July 14 tour will be for layouts generally in the south part of the
county and the August 14 tour for the north part of the county.

As always, these will be free, self-guided model railroad tours
sponsored by my Yahoo group, Model Railroads of Southern California.
The tours are designed to promote the hobby and allow layout owners to
showcase their work.

All owners need to do is operate their trains. I will do all the
planning and publicity, as I have done for thirty-two prior tours since
2006.

Please contact me OFF LIST if you are interested in displaying your
layout or know someone who may be interested.

Thank you.

Bob Chaparro, Moderator

Model Railroads of Southern California

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/>

chiefbobbb@... <mailto:chiefbobbb@...>



+++++

Other Scheduled Tours

Orange County - April 28, May 12 & May 1.

L.A., Ventura & Santa Barbara Counties – September 9

San Luis Obispo County – October 4-8

Kern County - March 8, 9 & 10, 2013

National Narrow Gauge Convention (So. Calif.) - August 31, 2013

Banning Train Festival - 2013





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68947 From: Frank Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
I will send it out tomorrow from NH.
Frank

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Frank <femiro2002@...> wrote:

> Any post card or a state one
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 23, 2012, at 11:27 AM, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Guys, I have a request , this is out the ordinary. My daughters
> > step-son needs post cards written to his fifth grade class. If you can, could you
> > send a post card from your state?Her kid needs one from ea. state. Thank
> > You, Mike
> > His address:
> >
> > NIKO BROWN
> > C/O Alyson Strickland
> > 1160 E Salem
> > Fresno, Ca 93720
> >
> > Write: Greeting 5th grade class
> > Hope to see you here one day/ or anything else (could be train related)
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo!
> > Tim Tebow trade delayed yet again
> > The QB arrived at the Jets' facility on Thursday, but he's still not an official member of the club.
> > Privacy Policy
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68948 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
hi Rich,

I agree that the corvette flat had many different colors and all are legit for the flat car.

but I never heard or read that statement about the white corvette being the only one from the factory.

I am not sure at what he was getting at, his source, what it means, and does it matter since all the flat cars with the car has no variations listed for what ever reason.

But okay,

Mike

From: acgilbertguy
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:23 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Corvette Car




Mike, I agree that John is quite knowledgeable when it comes to Flyer and a have bought from him with confidence. I have two of these flatcars with loads, both with unassembled red Corvettes. Prior to the purchase of the first one, I had checked Greenberg's Vol. 1 and found the description to state the 24578 New Haven flat car came with either a "green-blue, blue, red, yellow or white car". The Doyle book also lists these colors except for the blue-green. My second flat and its load came from two different sources, i.e. the flat and Corvette were purchased separately. The key difference in the two Corvettes is that with the first purchase, the "Road Race" Corvette has no motor and the frame is slightly different to accommodate how it rests on the flat. The second Corvette has the motor, thus was intended to be used with the Gilbert Road Race road system and not the New Haven Flat car. Since the first red Corvette mentioned has no motor and a different frame, that leads me to believe it is correct for the New Haven flat, while clearly the motored version is not. Hopefully others on this list more knowledgeable than me will post their thoughts. Rich





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68949 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
From: Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth, Texas
�I will cover Texas.
� thanks,
� Alan



________________________________
From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...>
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 10:27 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: REQUEST



 



Hi Guys, I have a request , this is out the ordinary. My daughters
step-son needs post cards written to his fifth grade class. If you can, could you
send a post card from your state?Her kid needs one from ea. state. Thank
You, Mike
His address:

NIKO BROWN
C/O Alyson Strickland
1160 E Salem
Fresno, Ca 93720

Write: Greeting 5th grade class
Hope to see you here one day/ or anything else (could be train related)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68950 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Thank You, Mike


In a message dated 3/23/2012 2:31:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
alanlambert64@... writes:




From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas
I will cover Texas.
thanks,
Alan



________________________________
From: "_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) " <_anormal1@..._
(mailto:anormal1@...) >
To: _s-trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:s-trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 10:27 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: REQUEST





Hi Guys, I have a request , this is out the ordinary. My daughters
step-son needs post cards written to his fifth grade class. If you can,
could you
send a post card from your state?Her kid needs one from ea. state. Thank
You, Mike
His address:

NIKO BROWN
C/O Alyson Strickland
1160 E Salem
Fresno, Ca 93720

Write: Greeting 5th grade class
Hope to see you here one day/ or anything else (could be train related)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68951 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Thank You, Mike


In a message dated 3/23/2012 2:04:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
femiro2002@... writes:




I will send it out tomorrow from NH.
Frank

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Frank <_femiro2002@..._
(mailto:femiro2002@...) > wrote:

> Any post card or a state one
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 23, 2012, at 11:27 AM, _anormal1@..._
(mailto:anormal1@...) wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Guys, I have a request , this is out the ordinary. My daughters
> > step-son needs post cards written to his fifth grade class. If you
can, could you
> > send a post card from your state?Her kid needs one from ea. state.
Thank
> > You, Mike
> > His address:
> >
> > NIKO BROWN
> > C/O Alyson Strickland
> > 1160 E Salem
> > Fresno, Ca 93720
> >
> > Write: Greeting 5th grade class
> > Hope to see you here one day/ or anything else (could be train
related)
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo!
> > Tim Tebow trade delayed yet again
> > The QB arrived at the Jets' facility on Thursday, but he's still not
an official member of the club.
> > Privacy Policy
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68952 From: emmersmom1950 Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Newbie took the plunge
Hello everyone,
Well, I have big news to report. I just finished purchasing a 4611 set (it is minus the 629 car, but that's not a big deal.) and some accessories to go with it (track, whistling billboard, trestle set, transformers and other stuff I don't understand). I took a big chance and purchased a set I couldn't see very well. I may need some help figuring the "stuff" out. I will try to post pics when I receive everything. Train set didn't seem too expensive to me so I figure not a big deal if things don' t work out well. It will be a lesson learned. If hubby feels well enough we might go to an auction next week where they have lots of those telephone (or electric) poles like he used to have. I am kind of excited. Wish me luck!!!!!!..........Sue
Group: S-Trains Message: 68953 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
The flatcar John was selling had a yellow Corvette.  I think he was giving full disclosure that, to the best of his knowledge, that Corvette was not original.  It's that kind of integrity that gives me great confidence when buying from John.  I have never been dissatisfied with anything I bought from him.




________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF Corvette Car


 
hi Rich,

I agree that the corvette flat had many different colors and all are legit for the flat car.

but I never heard or read that statement about the white corvette being the only one from the factory.

I am not sure at what he was getting at, his source, what it means, and does it matter since all the flat cars with the car has no variations listed for what ever reason.

But okay,

Mike

From: acgilbertguy
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:23 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Corvette Car

Mike, I agree that John is quite knowledgeable when it comes to Flyer and a have bought from him with confidence. I have two of these flatcars with loads, both with unassembled red Corvettes. Prior to the purchase of the first one, I had checked Greenberg's Vol. 1 and found the description to state the 24578 New Haven flat car came with either a "green-blue, blue, red, yellow or white car". The Doyle book also lists these colors except for the blue-green. My second flat and its load came from two different sources, i.e. the flat and Corvette were purchased separately. The key difference in the two Corvettes is that with the first purchase, the "Road Race" Corvette has no motor and the frame is slightly different to accommodate how it rests on the flat. The second Corvette has the motor, thus was intended to be used with the Gilbert Road Race road system and not the New Haven Flat car. Since the first red Corvette mentioned has no motor and a different
frame, that leads me to believe it is correct for the New Haven flat, while clearly the motored version is not. Hopefully others on this list more knowledgeable than me will post their thoughts. Rich

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68954 From: The Reardon's Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Hi Alyson,

He will get one from me (ME).

Pat, in Maine


----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@...
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: REQUEST





Hi Guys, I have a request , this is out the ordinary. My daughters
step-son needs post cards written to his fifth grade class. If you can, could you
send a post card from your state?Her kid needs one from ea. state. Thank
You, Mike
His address:

NIKO BROWN
C/O Alyson Strickland
1160 E Salem
Fresno, Ca 93720

Write: Greeting 5th grade class
Hope to see you here one day/ or anything else (could be train related)

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68955 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: ITEM FOR SALE
I just listed _GREENBERG"S AMERICAN FLYER NUMERICAL PARTS LIST BRAND NEW_
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110848212386) - E-Bay
# 110848212386 Mike in Ore

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68956 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
When the historical society opens on Tuesday I will get him a local one
from central PA maybe of the Erie Boxcar we just started refurbishing at
the station the society owns.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 3/23/2012 6:55 PM, The Reardon's wrote:
>
> Hi Alyson,
>
> He will get one from me (ME).
>
> Pat, in Maine
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com>
> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:27 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: REQUEST
>
> Hi Guys, I have a request , this is out the ordinary. My daughters
> step-son needs post cards written to his fifth grade class. If you
> can, could you
> send a post card from your state?Her kid needs one from ea. state. Thank
> You, Mike
> His address:
>
> NIKO BROWN
> C/O Alyson Strickland
> 1160 E Salem
> Fresno, Ca 93720
>
> Write: Greeting 5th grade class
> Hope to see you here one day/ or anything else (could be train related)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68957 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
This is what John wrote, as he mentions only one color car came from the factory, as now I am not sure that the car in question is a original.

I am about to email him on this.

Mike

The flatcar itself is complete, all original, and there is nothing broken, a C7. This is a cream colored road race Corvette. Only blue Corvettes were known to come from the factory on AF flatcars. The Corvette has no decal trim kit or windshield. The Corvette is a C8. This item is being sold "as is" and there are no return privileges.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68958 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Hi Bob,

thanks for letting me know about the color, as I did not realize I got it wrong in the message, My error.

Okay, that would be good, as he is not too clear on that. But I bet you are right.

John is a good AF seller.

I will ask him if that is what he means.

Mike

From: Robert Graves
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 7:14 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF Corvette Car


The flatcar John was selling had a yellow Corvette. I think he was giving full disclosure that, to the best of his knowledge, that Corvette was not original. It's that kind of integrity that gives me great confidence when buying from John. I have never been dissatisfied with anything I bought from him.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68959 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Ditto!!!

On 3/23/2012 7:14 PM, Robert Graves wrote:
>
> The flatcar John was selling had a yellow Corvette. I think he was
> giving full disclosure that, to the best of his knowledge, that
> Corvette was not original. It's that kind of integrity that gives me
> great confidence when buying from John. I have never been
> dissatisfied with anything I bought from him.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...
> <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF Corvette Car
>
>
>
> hi Rich,
>
> I agree that the corvette flat had many different colors and all are
> legit for the flat car.
>
> but I never heard or read that statement about the white corvette
> being the only one from the factory.
>
> I am not sure at what he was getting at, his source, what it means,
> and does it matter since all the flat cars with the car has no
> variations listed for what ever reason.
>
> But okay,
>
> Mike
>
> From: acgilbertguy
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:23 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Corvette Car
>
> Mike, I agree that John is quite knowledgeable when it comes to Flyer
> and a have bought from him with confidence. I have two of these
> flatcars with loads, both with unassembled red Corvettes. Prior to the
> purchase of the first one, I had checked Greenberg's Vol. 1 and found
> the description to state the 24578 New Haven flat car came with either
> a "green-blue, blue, red, yellow or white car". The Doyle book also
> lists these colors except for the blue-green. My second flat and its
> load came from two different sources, i.e. the flat and Corvette were
> purchased separately. The key difference in the two Corvettes is that
> with the first purchase, the "Road Race" Corvette has no motor and the
> frame is slightly different to accommodate how it rests on the flat.
> The second Corvette has the motor, thus was intended to be used with
> the Gilbert Road Race road system and not the New Haven Flat car.
> Since the first red Corvette mentioned has no motor and a different
> frame, that leads me to believe it is correct for the New Haven flat,
> while clearly the motored version is not. Hopefully others on this
> list more knowledgeable than me will post their thoughts. Rich
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68960 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Okay, I asked John if it a original corvette or a repro.

I believe it’s a cream color car on the flat car.



Mike
.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68961 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Here is John’s answer about the car:

Mike

This an original Gilbert Corvette that came in a Gilbert road race set and someone put it on a Gilbert flatcar. John


- jjhsales


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68962 From: Brady Date: 3/24/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncouplers?
> It seems that going into magnetising all the couplers in a fleet would be much more of a hassle than having a little screwdriver in your pocket. Besides, using the screwdriver is like a brakeman "pulling the pin" uncoupling cars on a real railroad.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>


I use a small Testors paintbrush handle with my link couplers. No worries about shorts since they're plastic



Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 68963 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/24/2012
Subject: Lionel New track
Katie asked me about the new Lionel track.

I know nothing about it.

Any help you can give her will be greatly appreciated.

I will forward any replies to her or you can hit reply to all?.

Thanks for the help.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Katie
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 1:29 PM
To: Michael & Linda Marmer
Subject: S helper track

Mike
What do you know about lionels new s gauge track?
katie
Group: S-Trains Message: 68964 From: Jimbo Date: 3/24/2012
Subject: diesal question 21801
i broke down and purchased a diesal, knowing nothing about it, it has all steps and plastic horn, but will not pull anything but runs ok by itself, it has two poll mor? rims but there both on the same side, are they suppose to opposite each other on the main drive wheel? everthing else seems to be in good shape, alot of the screws where lose (no pun intended) so know waiting to find out more about it, no manual with it. suggestions?
Group: S-Trains Message: 68965 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/24/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Mike,
Books and guides are only as good as the information that is entered into them. We are finding new variations to this day of Gilbert items (variations) that we did not know about before. You should be pleased with the next Greenberg pocket guide, which deals with some of these new findings.

Harwood



-----Original Message-----
From: Obie Bell <bellokdaka@...>
To: s-trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 23, 2012 3:28 pm
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF Corvette Car





Mike, My Greenberg guide book {volume 2} is quite old {published 1984} it lists blue-green, blue, and red for this Corvette. Since Gilbert had a variety of colors available from the slot car sets it seems odd that only one specific color would be used for the train car. I have never really examined one up close but I would safely guess that the bodies were identical as far as screw mounting and that only the frames were different. I saw a factory fresh LN at the Dupage show in the early 90s it had a separate decal sheet and instructions and it was blue. I didn't check it out very closely other than to see that all that was visible was LN condition, because even though I'm a Corvette fan this car is around !/32nd scale {if I remember correctly} and just appeared too out of place on a 1/64th flat car. Amato sells these in yellow, but I think it's just the bodies with no frame. John Heck surely knows something on this because that statement he made obviously is going to cost hi m some bids. Just a good example of why I wanted John's eBay seller name a little while back. He is not only honest but he volunteers honesty. I think you should pose the question directly to John he should be able to give you a satisfactory answer.Obie

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: mlmarmer@...
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:01:05 -0400
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Corvette Car

http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-NH-Flatcar-w-Corvette-24578-/300684322464?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item46022ea6a0

The above car is from John Heck, who I know is very knowledgeable on things AF.

But he states only the Blue Corvette was a factory issue corvette, as I know there are Red and Yellow one too.

Is this true, as I do not see any variations listed in the price guides for different colored cars.

Are the other Corvettes accepted corvettes for the price guide use in determining a buying price or value as again a price guide is just a guide.

Not in the market for one these flat cars with a Corvette, but will be some day, I just want to make sure all are legit colors for this car.

This car in E with just a corvette in the Greenberg book is 419 and TM is 350.

Thanks

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68966 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/24/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/25/2012, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68967 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/24/2012
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Car
Hi Harwood,

Thanks as John did explain to me about the car, as it was confusing on his listing if the car was original to the flat car..

the car he has on the flat is the crème white car, but it is from a Gilbert road race set.

he did not know where the other cars that went with the flat car, the different colors, where made. Only the blue he knew was made at the Gilbert factory.

Hey that sounds good about the new guide book. Did you help with that?

You have not seen the finished layout, since you where so long ago and how far the collection has come. You are more then welcome to come by, but check with me a day ahead, as my calendar is full of medical stuff! really. Nothing serious. I still have that 336 you sold me way back in 1993 or so with the beautiful repainted tender. You should see the 21139 I got last year. You would not believe the DCC action cars.

Okay, I am going on too much, for the list, sorry about that.

Mike



From: HOwingsiii@...
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 5:24 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Corvette Car



Mike,
Books and guides are only as good as the information that is entered into them. We are finding new variations to this day of Gilbert items (variations) that we did not know about before. You should be pleased with the next Greenberg pocket guide, which deals with some of these new findings.

Harwood

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From: Obie Bell <mailto:bellokdaka%40live.com>
To: s-trains <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 23, 2012 3:28 pm
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF Corvette Car





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68968 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/24/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track
I have several pieces of the Flyonel that I bought from Fred¹s Train Shop in
Overland Park, KS for comparison with SHS.

IMHO, it looks pretty good, but I emphasize that I have NOT put together a
loop and actually tested it.

I like the way it goes together easily and the way the electrical connectors
on 10² straight power strip are attached on the underneath side. On first
glance it appears similar to SHS, and although I haven¹t put a mic on them,
they appear to be dimensionally the same, including the rail height. Closer
scrutiny reveals that the tie spacing is different from SHS, the faux
ballast and overall look is not as scale-like as SHS. The Lionel track is
more expensive than SHS -if you can find it. I don¹t know the composition of
the rail. SHS is nickel silver. If the S Flyonel is anything like the Lionel
FasTrack for O, it should be operationally excellent.

As of now, Lionel is only offering the 20² (or maybe it¹s 19²) radius
curves.

But all things considered, I think it is a good addition to S. And, it is
available.

Roy Inman



From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:49:27 -0400
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>, <KTTrains@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel New track






Katie asked me about the new Lionel track.

I know nothing about it.

Any help you can give her will be greatly appreciated.

I will forward any replies to her or you can hit reply to all?.

Thanks for the help.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Katie
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 1:29 PM
To: Michael & Linda Marmer
Subject: S helper track

Mike
What do you know about lionels new s gauge track?
katie







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Group: S-Trains Message: 68969 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
The new Flyer track has holes already drilled and countersunk for screws.

Roy Inman



From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 20:44:52 -0500
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel New track






I have several pieces of the Flyonel that I bought from Fred¹s Train Shop in
Overland Park, KS for comparison with SHS.

IMHO, it looks pretty good, but I emphasize that I have NOT put together a
loop and actually tested it.

I like the way it goes together easily and the way the electrical connectors
on 10² straight power strip are attached on the underneath side. On first
glance it appears similar to SHS, and although I haven¹t put a mic on them,
they appear to be dimensionally the same, including the rail height. Closer
scrutiny reveals that the tie spacing is different from SHS, the faux
ballast and overall look is not as scale-like as SHS. The Lionel track is
more expensive than SHS -if you can find it. I don¹t know the composition of
the rail. SHS is nickel silver. If the S Flyonel is anything like the Lionel
FasTrack for O, it should be operationally excellent.

As of now, Lionel is only offering the 20² (or maybe it¹s 19²) radius
curves.

But all things considered, I think it is a good addition to S. And, it is
available.

Roy Inman

From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...
<mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> >
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> >
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:49:27 -0400
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com>
>, <KTTrains@... <mailto:KTTrains%40aol.com> >
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel New track

Katie asked me about the new Lionel track.

I know nothing about it.

Any help you can give her will be greatly appreciated.

I will forward any replies to her or you can hit reply to all?.

Thanks for the help.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Katie
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 1:29 PM
To: Michael & Linda Marmer
Subject: S helper track

Mike
What do you know about lionels new s gauge track?
katie



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68970 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track
Hi Roy,

thanks, as I will pass this along to Katie.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68971 From: Chilberto Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: RFG Diesel Roar.
I have a Rocket set that I'm thinking of adding Diesel Roar to. During my search for a parted-out unit on Ebay, I came across a listing for a "Replacement Diesel Roar" from RFG (www.ebay.com/itm/350543394355?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619#ht_1646wt_1180). Has anyone had any experiences with these? Had a less than favorable experience with RFG a few years back but am willing to forgive.

CHristopher
Group: S-Trains Message: 68972 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Dear Roy,
We have the same feature as "ready to drill and screw". The cylinder to prevent the track from distorting is cast in place. All one would have to do is complete the clearance hole through the ballast and countersink the top for a flathead screw. More work, yes, but for ALL of those who do not want to see the empty holes on top of your track is why we did it this way. Once the track is assembled, it would truly be overkill to put 2 flathead screws in EVERY section of track. I believe Lionel even liked our locations of the screw cylinder.
I will be the first to admit, that some of the features in Lionel track are an improvement and I applaud, putting two hole in the top of each section of track is not one of them...
Don T.

On Mar 24, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Roy Inman wrote:

> The new Flyer track has holes already drilled and countersunk for screws.
>
> Roy Inman
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 68973 From: Roger D Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
NYS is in the mail.

Roger Detlhony
Group: S-Trains Message: 68974 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Lionel track 2
Katie has a few more questions about the Lionel track, as she might not be able to make it to York this year, as her Mom will turn 100 and that is more important to celebrate with her Mom and Family.

I already email Don about her questions for SHS track, as I know he is out of most of it until production gets going again. Her additional question below. Thanks for the help. Katie is a good friend and very nice person.

Mike

Thanks for the help on the s gauge track. The concern here is the depth and
will the older engines run on it. Also a question on the switches as to
their compatibility. What track do you run? I know it has been mentioned,
but I can't recall.
Thanks,
Katie


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68975 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel track 2
The height of the Lionel rail appears identical to that of SHS. According to
the L folks, both old Gilbert Flyer and the newer Flyonel will operate on
it. I have no experience with the new Lionel turnouts (switches) but, again,
according to L, the switches will work with both old and new. I would
question the compatibility of the new articulated engines with the narrow
radius turnouts, but that remains to be seen.

Roy Inman



From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 14:41:09 -0400
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <KTTrains@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel track 2






Katie has a few more questions about the Lionel track, as she might not be
able to make it to York this year, as her Mom will turn 100 and that is more
important to celebrate with her Mom and Family.

I already email Don about her questions for SHS track, as I know he is out
of most of it until production gets going again. Her additional question
below. Thanks for the help. Katie is a good friend and very nice person.

Mike

Thanks for the help on the s gauge track. The concern here is the depth and
will the older engines run on it. Also a question on the switches as to
their compatibility. What track do you run? I know it has been mentioned,
but I can't recall.
Thanks,
Katie

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68976 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/25/2012, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 68977 From: Jimbo Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: question agian about baldwin 21801
I have cleaned the axiles they were very dirty built up with old grease, it runs great by itself now but just spins tires when trying to pull anything is this normal?>? also what is best way to tighten the rear step to frame to not break the plastic, plastic gromits with longer screw? any good suggestions for this and what to do about the wheel slipage, i watchted the wheels slip when tried to pull just two cars (caboose and mo pac)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68978 From: scott.dargenio@sbcglobal.net Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: FS Silver Flash Set with add on Vista Dome car
LTI 6-49606 Silver Flash set, set box has been opened, contents have not been out of their boxes and are still wrapped in the bags. As close to NEW as you can get.

6-48942 Vista Dome 962 Hamilton included. New in box also.

All paper work and warranty cards included along with the outer shrink wrap with
original price tag on it.

$400 shipped insured UPS ground 48 states, will also accept best offer.

Any questions or pics please email scott.dargenio@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 68979 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Re: question agian about baldwin 21801
Hi Jimbo,
� The XA14A729 Chassis & Stud assembly is most likely worn where the axles go through the holes or slots.  This creates too much play.  I would assume the Baldwin you have has been run quite a bit.  If you have an exploded view of a Baldwin see bubble number 28.
Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: Jimbo <jad01@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 4:43 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] question agian about baldwin 21801


 
I have cleaned the axiles they were very dirty built up with old grease, it runs great by itself now but just spins tires when trying to pull anything is this normal?>? also what is best way to tighten the rear step to frame to not break the plastic, plastic gromits with longer screw? any good suggestions for this and what to do about the wheel slipage, i watchted the wheels slip when tried to pull just two cars (caboose and mo pac)




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68980 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Emails
Harper’s

hi,

I just wanted to show you all that sometimes something causes some words we type to get weird symbol’s once the email is sent to Yahoo and it comes back to the list.

I believe Alan was having this problem, I had this happen in the past but I was fine for a long time.

today I sent a email to a another list as the word Harper’s for Harper’s Ferry came out like the above.

it was not my doing as I have no clue why.

So Alan had nothing to do with it. I am not sure if this was happening to Alan on the S list or S Scale list.

I hope that helps us understand this if it happens again to someone, as I bet it will, that none of us did this..

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68981 From: Larry Moore Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Re: RFG Diesel Roar.
Christopher, I bought one of their units, and was very disappointed, with
it. I could not hear it over the normal motor noise and track noise, that is
common with Flyer. I notified them and sent it back for them to check. They
said it was consistant when compared to an original Flyer unit. I have a 494
New Haven Alco with diesel roar, and the RFG unit does not sound or perform
the same. I did get a refund from them. That was my experience, maybe
someone else has tried it and had better results. Thanks, Larry



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chilberto
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:23 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RFG Diesel Roar.





I have a Rocket set that I'm thinking of adding Diesel Roar to. During my
search for a parted-out unit on Ebay, I came across a listing for a
"Replacement Diesel Roar" from RFG
(www.ebay.com/itm/350543394355?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619#ht_1646wt_1180). Has
anyone had any experiences with these? Had a less than favorable experience
with RFG a few years back but am willing to forgive.

CHristopher





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Group: S-Trains Message: 68982 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: symbol's
This will explain it.

Mike

Mike,


They’re called Hollerith codes.


Way back when, a computer’s “alphabet” was limited to the digits, the upper and lower cases of the alphabet, and standard punctuation marks. There are 256 possible values for an eight-bit binary number, but some of those were “reserved” for non-printing characters that controlled the monitors / printers.


Try it yourself: hold down the ALT key and type 0065 on the number pad (you get a capital A). You can figure out what all the keyboard characters are by this method.


Needless to say, many more characters are available today, including several varieties of quotation marks that tilt left and right. TTML doesn’t support them all, so I often see gibberish like Harper’s and have to edit them out.


Something to remember on your new list, since Harper’s is a location on the C&O canal.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68983 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Bob Tufts Book
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Almost-Complete-Guide-American-Flyer-S-Gauge-Sets-Book-Robert-J-Tufts-/370598715242?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item5649679f6a

Bob’s book was talked about a month or two ago on the S list.

it is out of print and one is on eBay.

I was lucky to know Bob, been to his house and he signed my TCA application in 1992.

He told me how to build my shelves.

Bob died of a heart attack at York in April 2006, I believe.

I was at his funeral at Arlington National Cemetery as was Linda as she knew him too.

He died too young, a sad lost not just for the train world, but for all.

One of the nicest men you could meet. He was busy with work and doing AF stuff, but if you sent him a email, he might not get back to you right away, but he would. He helped out Joseph Lechner with some technical questions about Passenger cars that was just absolutely amazing. What knowledge he had. He would have been a great TCA President.

The last time I saw Bob was at the Blue hall.

We even ran into each other once in the old rest rooms near the old Yellow hall and talked AF trains as we did, you know. Okay, too much information I see, but he did not give me any AF trade secrets while............

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68984 From: rick gough Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: RFG Diesel Roar.
Maybe Carl can tell me if the diesel roar should be wired into the horn speaker? When I got my T&P GP7 the roar was wired this way and amplified thru the speaker, to me was too loud.It also messed up the sound of the horn. It sounds plenty loud not wired into the speaker, and the horn is great. But which way did the factory wire it? Just also wonder if the RFG unit wired to the speaker would also amplify it to be loud enough. Any thoughts welcome.
 
rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68985 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Dear Rick, Timboy, and Stumpy,

Please send me a email.

Do not write anything, just send me a email, as I need to reply to all 3 of you on one email, as we need to talk.

I promise this will be a friendly email, as we need to patch things up, as we both did wrong to each other in private emails last month.

Sincerely,

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68986 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: New additions to the American Flyer Displays Website
*Thanks to the continual stream of suggestions, information, photos, and
documents, I have been able to expand the American Flyer Displays
Website. <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org>

First, Bill Drake provided a scan of a rare 1938 static HO Roundhouse
display which is now part of that section.

Second,t*hanks to a tip from Richard Trotter, I found photos of the
Chicago Hall of Science layout which were already posted elsewhere on
the internet. After that I found a photo of the opening of that Hall
of Science which is a part of Andy Jugle's collection. He gave me
permission to display it on the website and this has greatly enhanced
this new section covering the Chicago Hall of Science. It contains
links to the newly discovered photos as well as comments by George
Sorensen, who remembers visiting that Hall of Science as a child back in
the early 1950's, which provides background information.

Finally, Terry Cornelius provided photos and memories of the American
Flyer display at the Meier and Frank Department Store in Portland,
Oregon, which is located in the Layout Memories section.

If you haven't visited the site in a while, give it another look to see
these additions.


Dale Smith**


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68987 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: update on Scratch built S and On30 rolling stock
Hello  Here are some Pics of the latest progress.
 
First the S flat with a load on it not sure how to model the load secured with chain yet.
 
The last pic is of a narrow gauge stock car based on a toyish car from a battery op toy set(the green one is the original) The green car had its trucks swaped out for On30 trucks and also served as a master for the roof casting on the scratch built version. It is not completed yet but already looks great so far.
 
Still engineering the operating revolving door.
 
Threads on my scratch building and kitbashing can be found on "the gauge big blue" forum. Look for impromtu s gauge scratch built flat car and start of a kitbashing project.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68988 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: symbol's
I may be wrong (and please tell me if I am), but I think you may mean ASCII code, not Hollerith code. I always thought that Hollerith code referred to the system used on punch cards to encode the various characters and control codes. There is likely considerable overlap between the two, and I do not know which came first.



Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:34 PM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] symbol's





This will explain it.

Mike

Mike,

They’re called Hollerith codes.

Way back when, a computer’s “alphabet” was limited to the digits, the upper and lower cases of the alphabet, and standard punctuation marks. There are 256 possible values for an eight-bit binary number, but some of those were “reserved” for non-printing characters that controlled the monitors / printers.

Try it yourself: hold down the ALT key and type 0065 on the number pad (you get a capital A). You can figure out what all the keyboard characters are by this method.

Needless to say, many more characters are available today, including several varieties of quotation marks that tilt left and right. TTML doesn’t support them all, so I often see gibberish like Harper’s and have to edit them out.

Something to remember on your new list, since Harper’s is a location on the C&O canal.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68989 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: symbol's
Jerry,

I did not write this but my friend the professor on the TCA list wrote it.

I copied Joseph on this, as I greatly appreciate his help with this, as this happened on the S scale list it turns out.

Mike

From: Gerald Feldman
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 1:24 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] symbol's


I may be wrong (and please tell me if I am), but I think you may mean ASCII code, not Hollerith code. I always thought that Hollerith code referred to the system used on punch cards to encode the various characters and control codes. There is likely considerable overlap between the two, and I do not know which came first.

Jerry F.

From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:34 PM
To: mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com; mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] symbol's

This will explain it.

Mike

Mike,

They’re called Hollerith codes.

Way back when, a computer’s “alphabet” was limited to the digits, the upper and lower cases of the alphabet, and standard punctuation marks. There are 256 possible values for an eight-bit binary number, but some of those were “reserved” for non-printing characters that controlled the monitors / printers.

Try it yourself: hold down the ALT key and type 0065 on the number pad (you get a capital A). You can figure out what all the keyboard characters are by this method.

Needless to say, many more characters are available today, including several varieties of quotation marks that tilt left and right. TTML doesn’t support them all, so I often see gibberish like Harper’s and have to edit them out.

Something to remember on your new list, since Harper’s is a location on the C&O canal.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68990 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Carl T, I need you to send me a email too, as we talked about this in private and I want you on CC on my email to Rick, Timboy and Stumpy.

Thanks Carl and any other moderators too, I like to have you in on this, as the 4 of us need to “clear up the air” between us and move on.

We all where wrong in what happened last month.

Mike



From: Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 6:27 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy

Dear Rick, Timboy, and Stumpy,

Please send me a email.

Do not write anything, just send me a email, as I need to reply to all 3 of you on one email, as we need to talk.

I promise this will be a friendly email, as we need to patch things up, as we both did wrong to each other in private emails last month.

Sincerely,

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68991 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: symbol's
Boy, I haven't heard a discussion like this for decades!  Let me see if I can recall it correctly.

Hollerith first, then ASCII, that's for certain.

Somewhere in there were two more codes used by IBM in its computers: BCD (Binary Coded Decimal) was a 6-bit code used in early computers like the 1401 and 7090, but I don't know when it originated; the 8-bit code EBCDIC (Extended Binary Coded Decimal) was ushered in by the 360 series in the early 1960s. 


I think ASCII (American Standard Code for Information Interchange) was earlier than EBCDIC because it was the code used on teletype machines.  ASCII eventually won out as the standard when the world (led by the U.S. military) decided it was important for computers to talk to each other.



________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Joseph <Joseph.Lechner@...>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] symbol's


 
Jerry,

I did not write this but my friend the professor on the TCA list wrote it.

I copied Joseph on this, as I greatly appreciate his help with this, as this happened on the S scale list it turns out.

Mike

From: Gerald Feldman
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 1:24 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] symbol's

I may be wrong (and please tell me if I am), but I think you may mean ASCII code, not Hollerith code. I always thought that Hollerith code referred to the system used on punch cards to encode the various characters and control codes. There is likely considerable overlap between the two, and I do not know which came first.

Jerry F.

From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:34 PM
To: mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com; mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] symbol's

This will explain it.

Mike

Mike,

They’re called Hollerith codes.

Way back when, a computer’s “alphabet” was limited to the digits, the upper and lower cases of the alphabet, and standard punctuation marks. There are 256 possible values for an eight-bit binary number, but some of those were “reserved” for non-printing characters that controlled the monitors / printers.

Try it yourself: hold down the ALT key and type 0065 on the number pad (you get a capital A). You can figure out what all the keyboard characters are by this method.

Needless to say, many more characters are available today, including several varieties of quotation marks that tilt left and right. TTML doesn’t support them all, so I often see gibberish like Harper’s and have to edit them out.

Something to remember on your new list, since Harper’s is a location on the C&O canal.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68992 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Bob Tufts Book
Hi Mike,

I was the one looking for a set guide a couple of weeks ago. Several on this group mentioned Bob's book. I looked on my bookcase and there it was staring me in the face - hahaha.

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Almost-Complete-Guide-American-Flyer-S-Gauge-Sets-Book-Robert-J-Tufts-/370598715242?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item5649679f6a
>
> Bob’s book was talked about a month or two ago on the S list.
>
> it is out of print and one is on eBay.
>
> I was lucky to know Bob, been to his house and he signed my TCA application in 1992.
>
> He told me how to build my shelves.
>
> Bob died of a heart attack at York in April 2006, I believe.
>
> I was at his funeral at Arlington National Cemetery as was Linda as she knew him too.
>
> He died too young, a sad lost not just for the train world, but for all.
>
> One of the nicest men you could meet. He was busy with work and doing AF stuff, but if you sent him a email, he might not get back to you right away, but he would. He helped out Joseph Lechner with some technical questions about Passenger cars that was just absolutely amazing. What knowledge he had. He would have been a great TCA President.
>
> The last time I saw Bob was at the Blue hall.
>
> We even ran into each other once in the old rest rooms near the old Yellow hall and talked AF trains as we did, you know. Okay, too much information I see, but he did not give me any AF trade secrets while............
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68993 From: piccu56 Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Emails
This issue was hashed and rehashed and rehashed. It is a Yahoo Mail decoder issue as noted in a previous post by me, please go read it. There is nothing you or any other member of the list can do about it.



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Harper’s
>
> hi,
>
> I just wanted to show you all that sometimes something causes some words we type to get weird symbol’s once the email is sent to Yahoo and it comes back to the list.
>
> I believe Alan was having this problem, I had this happen in the past but I was fine for a long time.
>
> today I sent a email to a another list as the word Harper’s for Harper’s Ferry came out like the above.
>
> it was not my doing as I have no clue why.
>
> So Alan had nothing to do with it. I am not sure if this was happening to Alan on the S list or S Scale list.
>
> I hope that helps us understand this if it happens again to someone, as I bet it will, that none of us did this..
>
> Mike
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68994 From: R G Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: RFG Diesel Roar.
I know that on my PA1 Santa Fe ABA set the diesel roar was wired to the speaker.  Mine was an early version without the shut off switch.  It was annoying after a while and I unsoldered a wire to shut it off!



________________________________
From: rick gough <racin510@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 4:00 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RFG Diesel Roar.


 
Maybe Carl can tell me if the diesel roar should be wired into the horn speaker? When I got my T&P GP7 the roar was wired this way and amplified thru the speaker, to me was too loud.It also messed up the sound of the horn. It sounds plenty loud not wired into the speaker, and the horn is great. But which way did the factory wire it? Just also wonder if the RFG unit wired to the speaker would also amplify it to be loud enough. Any thoughts welcome.
 
rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68995 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
My observation on the Lionel AF track is that it is not a solid as the s-helper. Therefore the screw might be needed to hold the track in place.  The 10 inch straights i bought to check twist very easily. The nice part about the s-helper track is you can actually hot glue the track in place and it will stay without screws.

 The second thing I noticed is the gray color of the balast is all the same. S-Helper has a multi-colored balast wich gives it a much better appearance.
 I myself will wait for The production of S-Helper track and switches. Once again the quality of the S-Helper Track shines through in my opinion. Plus, even if the cost goes up on S-Helper it is still a better quality track for the same price as the AF track. Chris


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Group: S-Trains Message: 68996 From: Timboy Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Mike:

Anyone on this List can send a private note via this List wirhout making some kind of public "thing" out of it.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Rick, Timboy, and Stumpy,
>
> Please send me a email.
>
> Do not write anything, just send me a email, as I need to reply to all 3 of you on one email, as we need to talk.
>
> I promise this will be a friendly email, as we need to patch things up, as we both did wrong to each other in private emails last month.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 68997 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: symbol's
Joseph,

Thanks, as I remember punch cards and I have a few used ones from my days of school at Maryland.

I am sending this to the S list, as if anyone is interesting in the history of real trains, Joseph does a This Day in Rail History every day, as it is fascinating. I have no idea where he gets the information.

It is the official TCA list, TTML, not the TCA MG list, just joining it for that is well worth it.

Yes, a lot of O stuff, but I get my digs, in about the track and stuff, LOL, as we have fun with it and I try to explain more to them about AF as Linda knows more about AF then most O gaugers, Joseph is a big O gauger, but he loves the AF NP passenger sets.

Since I am not into O, I don’t read most of them, but I have made many friends from that list.

Just a thought, just for the history emails alone..

Mike
From: Joseph Lechner
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 10:49 AM
To: Michael & Linda Marmer
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] symbol's

It’s true that Herman Hollerith (1860-1929) invented a punch card system (and he was founder of one of the predecessors of IBM), but the “numbers-as-characters” that I described were called Hollerith codes in his honor.



Guess where Hollerith got the idea for punched cards?



Hollerith was originally inspired by railroad tickets that let the conductor encode a rough description of the passenger:

"I was traveling in the West and I had a ticket with what I think was called a punch photograph...the conductor...punched out a description of the individual, as light hair, dark eyes, large nose, etc. So you see, I only made a punch photograph of each person.”




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Group: S-Trains Message: 68998 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: SYMBOLS
_How to Make Keyboard Bullets, Stars, Hearts, French Accents, Copyright
Symbols & More with the Alt Key : Graphic Design Blog & _
(http://www.allgraphicdesign.com/graphicsblog/2008/02/13/how-to-make-keyboard-bullets-stars-hear
ts-french-accents-copyright-symbols-more-with-the-alt-key/) Mike in Ore

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68999 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5jA2vQM90g&feature=youtu.be


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69000 From: Mike Leahy Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Gold's Department Store
A number of years ago I started a search to find a picture of an American
Flyer Christmas Lay-out in Gold's Department Store in Lincoln, Nebraska.
Growing up in S.E. Nebraska in the 40s & 50s, it was a treat to go shopping
in Lincoln, and in particular at Gold's. They always had these fabulous
factory A.F. train displays, and I was wondering if anyone had pictures of
them they would be willing to share? Anyway, I am still hunting for
pictures, or ideas of where I might search for them. Suggestions?



Thanks,



Mike Leahy

Boulder, CO



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69001 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Emails
Got it, just thought I would pass along the information as I was hoping that would settled it once and for all.

I meant no harm.

Mike

From: piccu56
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 10:02 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Emails


This issue was hashed and rehashed and rehashed. It is a Yahoo Mail decoder issue as noted in a previous post by me, please go read it. There is nothing you or any other member of the list can do about it.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69002 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: symbol's
OK, lets wrap this one up because it is giving me a headache and I am a
real computer geek. Plus none of it is train related.

If this keeps up I'm going to have to expound on single vs. double byte
character sets and why we need double bytes to cover Kanji and similar
languages.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 3/26/2012 10:56 AM, Robert Graves wrote:
>
> Boy, I haven't heard a discussion like this for decades! Let me see
> if I can recall it correctly.
>
> Hollerith first, then ASCII, that's for certain.
>
> Somewhere in there were two more codes used by IBM in its computers:
> BCD (Binary Coded Decimal) was a 6-bit code used in early computers
> like the 1401 and 7090, but I don't know when it originated; the 8-bit
> code EBCDIC (Extended Binary Coded Decimal) was ushered in by the 360
> series in the early 1960s.
>
> I think ASCII (American Standard Code for Information Interchange) was
> earlier than EBCDIC because it was the code used on teletype
> machines. ASCII eventually won out as the standard when the world
> (led by the U.S. military) decided it was important for computers to
> talk to each other.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...
> <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: Joseph <Joseph.Lechner@... <mailto:Joseph.Lechner%40mvnu.edu>>
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 3:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] symbol's
>
>
>
> Jerry,
>
> I did not write this but my friend the professor on the TCA list wrote it.
>
> I copied Joseph on this, as I greatly appreciate his help with this,
> as this happened on the S scale list it turns out.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Gerald Feldman
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 1:24 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] symbol's
>
> I may be wrong (and please tell me if I am), but I think you may mean
> ASCII code, not Hollerith code. I always thought that Hollerith code
> referred to the system used on punch cards to encode the various
> characters and control codes. There is likely considerable overlap
> between the two, and I do not know which came first.
>
> Jerry F.
>
> From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael &
> Linda Marmer
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:34 PM
> To: mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com; mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] symbol's
>
> This will explain it.
>
> Mike
>
> Mike,
>
> They’re called Hollerith codes.
>
> Way back when, a computer’s “alphabet” was limited to the digits, the
> upper and lower cases of the alphabet, and standard punctuation marks.
> There are 256 possible values for an eight-bit binary number, but some
> of those were “reserved” for non-printing characters that controlled
> the monitors / printers.
>
> Try it yourself: hold down the ALT key and type 0065 on the number pad
> (you get a capital A). You can figure out what all the keyboard
> characters are by this method.
>
> Needless to say, many more characters are available today, including
> several varieties of quotation marks that tilt left and right. TTML
> doesn’t support them all, so I often see gibberish like Harper’s and
> have to edit them out.
>
> Something to remember on your new list, since Harper’s is a location
> on the C&O canal.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69003 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: symbol's
Train related reply.

the old System 32 punched holes were the perfect size to dye and then
sprinkle on trees as leaves. I still have a bag saved for when I can do
my layout.

Unfortunately normal punches are much too large and the System 32 is RIP.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 3/26/2012 11:12 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> Joseph,
>
> Thanks, as I remember punch cards and I have a few used ones from my
> days of school at Maryland.
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69004 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Tim, Stumpy and Rick.

Forget, I just took my self off the list.

All I do is cause everyone to get upset.

Mike

From: Timboy
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:40 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy


Mike:

Anyone on this List can send a private note via this List wirhout making some kind of public "thing" out of it.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Rick, Timboy, and Stumpy,
>
> Please send me a email.
>
> Do not write anything, just send me a email, as I need to reply to all 3 of you on one email, as we need to talk.
>
> I promise this will be a friendly email, as we need to patch things up, as we both did wrong to each other in private emails last month.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69005 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
I have "heard" that SHS uses four ( 4 ) individual paint steps on their
ballasted track to achieve their prototypical appearance.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 3/26/2012 11:04:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
chrisandmhelburger@... writes:

The second thing I noticed is the gray color of the balast is all the
same. S-Helper has a multi-colored balast wich gives it a much better
appearance.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69006 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: symbol's
From: Alan Lambert 
� Fort Worth, Texas
Carey,
I'm with you. I think I gave the best answer to the problem. Let's all end it now.
� Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: Carey Probst <s-scale@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] symbol's



 

OK, lets wrap this one up because it is giving me a headache and I am a
real computer geek. Plus none of it is train related.

If this keeps up I'm going to have to expound on single vs. double byte
character sets and why we need double bytes to cover Kanji and similar
languages.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

On 3/26/2012 10:56 AM, Robert Graves wrote:
>
> Boy, I haven't heard a discussion like this for decades! Let me see
> if I can recall it correctly.
>
> Hollerith first, then ASCII, that's for certain.
>
> Somewhere in there were two more codes used by IBM in its computers:
> BCD (Binary Coded Decimal) was a 6-bit code used in early computers
> like the 1401 and 7090, but I don't know when it originated; the 8-bit
> code EBCDIC (Extended Binary Coded Decimal) was ushered in by the 360
> series in the early 1960s.
>
> I think ASCII (American Standard Code for Information Interchange) was
> earlier than EBCDIC because it was the code used on teletype
> machines. ASCII eventually won out as the standard when the world
> (led by the U.S. military) decided it was important for computers to
> talk to each other.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...
> <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: Joseph <Joseph.Lechner@... <mailto:Joseph.Lechner%40mvnu.edu>>
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 3:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] symbol's
>
>
>
> Jerry,
>
> I did not write this but my friend the professor on the TCA list wrote it.
>
> I copied Joseph on this, as I greatly appreciate his help with this,
> as this happened on the S scale list it turns out.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Gerald Feldman
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 1:24 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] symbol's
>
> I may be wrong (and please tell me if I am), but I think you may mean
> ASCII code, not Hollerith code. I always thought that Hollerith code
> referred to the system used on punch cards to encode the various
> characters and control codes. There is likely considerable overlap
> between the two, and I do not know which came first.
>
> Jerry F.
>
> From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael &
> Linda Marmer
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:34 PM
> To: mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com; mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] symbol's
>
> This will explain it.
>
> Mike
>
> Mike,
>
> They’re called Hollerith codes.
>
> Way back when, a computer’s “alphabet” was limited to the digits, the
> upper and lower cases of the alphabet, and standard punctuation marks.
> There are 256 possible values for an eight-bit binary number, but some
> of those were “reserved” for non-printing characters that controlled
> the monitors / printers.
>
> Try it yourself: hold down the ALT key and type 0065 on the number pad
> (you get a capital A). You can figure out what all the keyboard
> characters are by this method.
>
> Needless to say, many more characters are available today, including
> several varieties of quotation marks that tilt left and right. TTML
> doesn’t support them all, so I often see gibberish like Harper’s and
> have to edit them out.
>
> Something to remember on your new list, since Harper’s is a location
> on the C&O canal.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69007 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Again, I wrote what I did to give some kind of clue on why.

If this was wrong, then I am so sorry.

I was mainly trying to get you to send a email address to me so I could write to all of you, without you thinking this was a trap or something that.

Mike



From: Timboy
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:40 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy


Mike:

Anyone on this List can send a private note via this List wirhout making some kind of public "thing" out of it.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Rick, Timboy, and Stumpy,
>
> Please send me a email.
>
> Do not write anything, just send me a email, as I need to reply to all 3 of you on one email, as we need to talk.
>
> I promise this will be a friendly email, as we need to patch things up, as we both did wrong to each other in private emails last month.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69008 From: Michael & Linda Marmer Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Tim,

I am sorry but I did not have your email address, so that is why.

If I caused you, Stumpy or Rick harm in doing this I am sincerely sorry.

When I get Stumpy email address, I will get back to you in private.

I don’t have email address, as I did see a email this morning from Rick.

Mike

From: Timboy
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:40 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy


Mike:

Anyone on this List can send a private note via this List wirhout making some kind of public "thing" out of it.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Rick, Timboy, and Stumpy,
>
> Please send me a email.
>
> Do not write anything, just send me a email, as I need to reply to all 3 of you on one email, as we need to talk.
>
> I promise this will be a friendly email, as we need to patch things up, as we both did wrong to each other in private emails last month.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69009 From: rick gough Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: RFG Diesel Roar.
Roar thru the speaker is likely a factory thing .... certainly effective but also too loud. Did you find that it also messed up the Air Chime sound. Roar sounds great without amplification. I am just wondering if the RFG unit might sound OK if it is amplified thru a speaker.
 
rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69010 From: Don Thompson Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Dear Jim,
That is correct, three to get the color on the ballast just right and one for the brown ties..
Don

On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:19 PM, WJJIM@... wrote:

> I have "heard" that SHS uses four ( 4 ) individual paint steps on their
> ballasted track to achieve their prototypical appearance.
>
> Jim Lyle
>
>
> In a message dated 3/26/2012 11:04:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> chrisandmhelburger@... writes:
>
> The second thing I noticed is the gray color of the balast is all the
> same. S-Helper has a multi-colored balast wich gives it a much better
> appearance.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69011 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Can't we all play nice on this list?

All you oversensitive types wouldn't last 10 minutes at my house.

Mike, please stay and ignore the complainers.

I thought this nonsense was over a month ago so it it has to continue,
pick on me.

I have a 5 layer Nomex driver's suite with Carbonx underwear and a don't
really give a rat's a** attitude. Ask me about the threats I got when I
almost got the Morristonwn, NJ Little League charter lifted for not
following the rules.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 3/26/2012 12:36 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> Tim, Stumpy and Rick.
>
> Forget, I just took my self off the list.
>
> All I do is cause everyone to get upset.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Timboy
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:40 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
>
> Mike:
>
> Anyone on this List can send a private note via this List wirhout
> making some kind of public "thing" out of it.
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>
> --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer"
> <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Rick, Timboy, and Stumpy,
> >
> > Please send me a email.
> >
> > Do not write anything, just send me a email, as I need to reply to
> all 3 of you on one email, as we need to talk.
> >
> > I promise this will be a friendly email, as we need to patch things
> up, as we both did wrong to each other in private emails last month.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69012 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Hey � don't go anywhere! Some folks need to learn how to chill and use their delete key!

Rick Evans


On Mar 26, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:

> Tim, Stumpy and Rick.
>
> Forget, I just took my self off the list.
>
> All I do is cause everyone to get upset.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Timboy
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:40 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
>
> Mike:
>
> Anyone on this List can send a private note via this List wirhout making some kind of public "thing" out of it.
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>
> --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Rick, Timboy, and Stumpy,
> >
> > Please send me a email.
> >
> > Do not write anything, just send me a email, as I need to reply to all 3 of you on one email, as we need to talk.
> >
> > I promise this will be a friendly email, as we need to patch things up, as we both did wrong to each other in private emails last month.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69013 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube
Do you ever operate full length passenger cars on the San Diego modular
layout? Are the curves sufficiently wide to do this? If you do operate
them, I would love to see a video of the train go around the layout.


- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 3/26/2012 10:53:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
theupstairstrain@... writes:




_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5jA2vQM90g&feature=youtu.be_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5jA2vQM90g&feature=youtu.be)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69014 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
From Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth, Texas
Carey,
The complainers need to come to Texas. They would not last 30 seconds down here because of the cow pie. Bet they don't know what I'm talking about .I'll get back with you off list.
� Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: Carey Probst <s-scale@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy



 

Can't we all play nice on this list?

All you oversensitive types wouldn't last 10 minutes at my house.

Mike, please stay and ignore the complainers.

I thought this nonsense was over a month ago so it it has to continue,
pick on me.

I have a 5 layer Nomex driver's suite with Carbonx underwear and a don't
really give a rat's a** attitude. Ask me about the threats I got when I
almost got the Morristonwn, NJ Little League charter lifted for not
following the rules.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

On 3/26/2012 12:36 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> Tim, Stumpy and Rick.
>
> Forget, I just took my self off the list.
>
> All I do is cause everyone to get upset.
>
> Mike
>
> From: Timboy
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:40 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
>
> Mike:
>
> Anyone on this List can send a private note via this List wirhout
> making some kind of public "thing" out of it.
>
> Regards,
> Timboy
>
> --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer"
> <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Rick, Timboy, and Stumpy,
> >
> > Please send me a email.
> >
> > Do not write anything, just send me a email, as I need to reply to
> all 3 of you on one email, as we need to talk.
> >
> > I promise this will be a friendly email, as we need to patch things
> up, as we both did wrong to each other in private emails last month.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69015 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
From: Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth, Texas
Don,
Now I know why I like your track.
� Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: Don Thompson <don@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel New track-PS:



 

Dear Jim,
That is correct, three to get the color on the ballast just right and one for the brown ties..
Don

On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:19 PM, WJJIM@... wrote:

> I have "heard" that SHS uses four ( 4 ) individual paint steps on their
> ballasted track to achieve their prototypical appearance.
>
> Jim Lyle
>
>
> In a message dated 3/26/2012 11:04:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> chrisandmhelburger@... writes:
>
> The second thing I noticed is the gray color of the balast is all the
> same. S-Helper has a multi-colored balast wich gives it a much better
> appearance.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69016 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Looks to me as if Lionel uses just the one. SHS is much more realistic.

Roy



From: <WJJIM@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:19:26 -0400 (EDT)
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel New track-PS:






I have "heard" that SHS uses four ( 4 ) individual paint steps on their
ballasted track to achieve their prototypical appearance.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 3/26/2012 11:04:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
chrisandmhelburger@... <mailto:chrisandmhelburger%40yahoo.com>
writes:

The second thing I noticed is the gray color of the balast is all the
same. S-Helper has a multi-colored balast wich gives it a much better
appearance.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69017 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Yeh - hang in there Mike - you have been an essential and interesting part of
this board for a long time. Alistair

On Tue 27/03/12 4:19 AM , Carey Probst s-scale@... sent:
> Can't we all play nice on this list?
> All you oversensitive types wouldn't last 10 minutes at my house.
> Mike, please stay and ignore the complainers.
> I thought this nonsense was over a month ago so it it has to
> continue,
> pick on me.
> I have a 5 layer Nomex driver's suite with Carbonx underwear and a
> don't
> really give a rat's a** attitude. Ask me about the threats I got
> when I
> almost got the Morristonwn, NJ Little League charter lifted for not
> following the rules.
> Carey
> Carey Probst
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
> S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
> State,
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
> infringed.
> On 3/26/2012 12:36 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
> >
> > Tim, Stumpy and Rick.
> >
> > Forget, I just took my self off the list.
> >
> > All I do is cause everyone to get upset.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > From: Timboy
> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:40 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
> >
> > Mike:
> >
> > Anyone on this List can send a private note via this List wirhout
> > making some kind of public "thing" out of it.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Timboy
> >
> > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer"
>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Rick, Timboy, and Stumpy,
> > >
> > > Please send me a email.
> > >
> > > Do not write anything, just send me a email, as I need to reply
> to
> > all 3 of you on one email, as we need to talk.
> > >
> > > I promise this will be a friendly email, as we need to patch
> things
> > up, as we both did wrong to each other in private emails last
> month.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> Links:
> ------
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69018 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Know what your mean.

I grew up nowhere in PA and now live just down the road. As a youth it
was cow pies, horse pies, and the occasional buffalo pie when they got
loose from the Buffalo Inn and Restaurant across the fields. Guess what
their specialty was.

Now I live closer to town so all I have to worry about is bear pies,
deer buttons the occasional bobcat or turkey.

I do miss Texas though. Especially the part around Beaumont where you
couldn't see 20 feet for the oil mist in the air from all the ship
terminals. Always did love the taste of raw crude in the morning (to
paraphrase).

Carey

Carey Probst
Group: S-Trains Message: 69019 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Stumpy, and Timboy
My electricity has been off since about 5:30 this morning when a tractor trailer took out three polls about a mile and a half South of my place. I just got power back, checked my backed up e-mail, and came to Yahoo.
Would someone PLEASE tell me what is going on? And how I got sucked into it?
Is a fire suit needed? I have my old one from my Stock Car racing days. It's kind of charred from being flamed by collectors for my kit bashing antics, but it still works. Should I put it on?
Should I consider leaving S Trains and creating my own Yahoo Group, like maybe "S: The Dark Side," so I can be safe from those who don't like bashing and building?
Are Voo-doo dolls being prepared in my image? I've been wondering about unusual aches and pains lately, but just figured it was age related.
What's all the excitement about? What did I miss?
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69020 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
What Alistair said :)
Roy



From: <alizoo@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:47:18 +1030
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy






Yeh - hang in there Mike - you have been an essential and interesting part
of
this board for a long time. Alistair

On Tue 27/03/12 4:19 AM , Carey Probst s-scale@...
<mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com> sent:
> Can't we all play nice on this list?
> All you oversensitive types wouldn't last 10 minutes at my house.
> Mike, please stay and ignore the complainers.
> I thought this nonsense was over a month ago so it it has to
> continue,
> pick on me.
> I have a 5 layer Nomex driver's suite with Carbonx underwear and a
> don't
> really give a rat's a** attitude. Ask me about the threats I got
> when I
> almost got the Morristonwn, NJ Little League charter lifted for not
> following the rules.
> Carey
> Carey Probst
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
> S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
> State,
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
> infringed.
> On 3/26/2012 12:36 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
> >
> > Tim, Stumpy and Rick.
> >
> > Forget, I just took my self off the list.
> >
> > All I do is cause everyone to get upset.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > From: Timboy
> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:40 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
> >
> > Mike:
> >
> > Anyone on this List can send a private note via this List wirhout
> > making some kind of public "thing" out of it.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Timboy
> >
> > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer"
>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Rick, Timboy, and Stumpy,
> > >
> > > Please send me a email.
> > >
> > > Do not write anything, just send me a email, as I need to reply
> to
> > all 3 of you on one email, as we need to talk.
> > >
> > > I promise this will be a friendly email, as we need to patch
> things
> > up, as we both did wrong to each other in private emails last
> month.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69021 From: robert hendrickson Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
I wouldn't say everyone is upset, just a select few. What ever happened to majority rule?
 
Bob


________________________________
From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy


 
Tim, Stumpy and Rick.

Forget, I just took my self off the list.

All I do is cause everyone to get upset.

Mike

From: Timboy
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:40 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy

Mike:

Anyone on this List can send a private note via this List wirhout making some kind of public "thing" out of it.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Rick, Timboy, and Stumpy,
>
> Please send me a email.
>
> Do not write anything, just send me a email, as I need to reply to all 3 of you on one email, as we need to talk.
>
> I promise this will be a friendly email, as we need to patch things up, as we both did wrong to each other in private emails last month.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69022 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
Me Too Mike:)


In a message dated 3/26/2012 3:00:27 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rinphoto@... writes:




What Alistair said :)
Roy

From: <_alizoo@..._ (mailto:alizoo@...) >
Reply-To: S-trains <_S-trains@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com) >
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:47:18 +1030
To: S-trains <_S-trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com) >
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy

Yeh - hang in there Mike - you have been an essential and interesting part
of
this board for a long time. Alistair

On Tue 27/03/12 4:19 AM , Carey Probst _s-scale@..._
(mailto:s-scale@...)
<mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com> sent:
> Can't we all play nice on this list?
> All you oversensitive types wouldn't last 10 minutes at my house.
> Mike, please stay and ignore the complainers.
> I thought this nonsense was over a month ago so it it has to
> continue,
> pick on me.
> I have a 5 layer Nomex driver's suite with Carbonx underwear and a
> don't
> really give a rat's a** attitude. Ask me about the threats I got
> when I
> almost got the Morristonwn, NJ Little League charter lifted for not
> following the rules.
> Carey
> Carey Probst
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
> S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
> State,
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
> infringed.
> On 3/26/2012 12:36 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
> >
> > Tim, Stumpy and Rick.
> >
> > Forget, I just took my self off the list.
> >
> > All I do is cause everyone to get upset.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > From: Timboy
> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:40 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
> >
> > Mike:
> >
> > Anyone on this List can send a private note via this List wirhout
> > making some kind of public "thing" out of it.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Timboy
> >
> > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer"
>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Rick, Timboy, and Stumpy,
> > >
> > > Please send me a email.
> > >
> > > Do not write anything, just send me a email, as I need to reply
> to
> > all 3 of you on one email, as we need to talk.
> > >
> > > I promise this will be a friendly email, as we need to patch
> things
> > up, as we both did wrong to each other in private emails last
> month.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69023 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube
Our curves have a 45-inch radius, intended to handle anything you throw at them.

What does the term "full length passenger car" refer to?  Our members have only cars made by Gilbert, Lionel Flyer, and American Models.  None of them have any problems on our curves.



________________________________
From: "tennsgauge@..." <tennsgauge@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube


 
Do you ever operate full length passenger cars on the San Diego modular
layout? Are the curves sufficiently wide to do this? If you do operate
them, I would love to see a video of the train go around the layout.


- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 3/26/2012 10:53:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
theupstairstrain@... writes:

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69024 From: Timboy Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Stumpy, and Timboy
Stumpy...

Your request goes for me, too. I feel like there have been some kind of veiled accusation against me. I would also like to know what kind of heinous act I have commited. My last off-line note to Mike was a nicely-worded invitation to join the Lionel-Flyer Group. My bad, I guess. So why don't you have my email address, Mike? Why make a public scene with ominous undertones that others seem to interpret as me being a villian?

I hope you have a one-size-fits-all fire suit, Stumpy! I may have to beg it from you.

Confused,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> My electricity has been off since about 5:30 this morning when a tractor trailer took out three polls about a mile and a half South of my place. I just got power back, checked my backed up e-mail, and came to Yahoo.
> Would someone PLEASE tell me what is going on? And how I got sucked into it?
> Is a fire suit needed? I have my old one from my Stock Car racing days. It's kind of charred from being flamed by collectors for my kit bashing antics, but it still works. Should I put it on?
> Should I consider leaving S Trains and creating my own Yahoo Group, like maybe "S: The Dark Side," so I can be safe from those who don't like bashing and building?
> Are Voo-doo dolls being prepared in my image? I've been wondering about unusual aches and pains lately, but just figured it was age related.
> What's all the excitement about? What did I miss?
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69025 From: Timboy Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Stumpy, and Timboy
Stumpy...

Your request goes for me, too. I feel like there have been some kind of veiled accusation against me. I would also like to know what kind of heinous act I have commited. My last off-line note to Mike was a nicely-worded invitation to join the Lionel-Flyer Group. My bad, I guess. So why don't you have my email address, Mike? Why make a public scene with ominous undertones that others seem to interpret as me being a villian?

I hope you have a one-size-fits-all fire suit, Stumpy! I may have to beg it from you.

Confused,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> My electricity has been off since about 5:30 this morning when a tractor trailer took out three polls about a mile and a half South of my place. I just got power back, checked my backed up e-mail, and came to Yahoo.
> Would someone PLEASE tell me what is going on? And how I got sucked into it?
> Is a fire suit needed? I have my old one from my Stock Car racing days. It's kind of charred from being flamed by collectors for my kit bashing antics, but it still works. Should I put it on?
> Should I consider leaving S Trains and creating my own Yahoo Group, like maybe "S: The Dark Side," so I can be safe from those who don't like bashing and building?
> Are Voo-doo dolls being prepared in my image? I've been wondering about unusual aches and pains lately, but just figured it was age related.
> What's all the excitement about? What did I miss?
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69026 From: robert hendrickson Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Enough Already
It's time for this childish nonsense to stop. Apparently a few individuals in the group have chosen to overrule/usurp the moderators job and take another to task over number of posts, subject matter, etc. Yet these same individuals don't always adhere to these very same rules they would punish others over. When I joined this group I thought our posts were like part on an ongoing conversation, centered around but not limited to S gauge trains. Occasionally we veer off topic, big deal. And like any conversation there are probably going to be additional thoughts or comments, hence multiple posts. My feeling is that if the moderator approves a post you can either read or delete it. No poster should have to endure censure from anyone other than the moderator either in the group or in private. Recently a peace offering was proffered, but again there was a somewhat snarky reply. If you cannot man up enough to bury the hatchet perhaps it's time for you to leave
or start your own group, as has happened. Again if the moderator allows a post and you don't agree, delete it. This cyber bullying of other members is, in my mind, unacceptable. Can't we all just play nice?
 
Bob 

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69027 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Enough Already
________________________________
From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...>
To: "s-trains@yahoogroups.com" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Michael and <mlmarmer@...>; Don Thompson <don@...>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Enough Already



 

It's time for this childish nonsense to stop. Apparently a few individuals in the group have chosen to overrule/usurp the moderators job and take another to task over number of posts, subject matter, etc. Yet these same individuals don't always adhere to these very same rules they would punish others over. When I joined this group I thought our posts were like part on an ongoing conversation, centered around but not limited to S gauge trains. Occasionally we veer off topic, big deal. And like any conversation there are probably going to be additional thoughts or comments, hence multiple posts. My feeling is that if the moderator approves a post you can either read or delete it. No poster should have to endure censure from anyone other than the moderator either in the group or in private. Recently a peace offering was proffered, but again there was a somewhat snarky reply. If you cannot man up enough to bury the hatchet perhaps it's time for you to leave
or start your own group, as has happened. Again if the moderator allows a post and you don't agree, delete it. This cyber bullying of other members is, in my mind, unacceptable. Can't we all just play nice?
 
Bob 

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69028 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube
Utube videos of S scale full length passenger cars seem to be pretty rare.
I would be interested in seeing full length passenger cars operate on
your module regardless of their source.

I am most interested in seeing full length plastic passenger cars from
American Models but would also enjoy seeing other passenger cars such as the
Southwind heavyweight Pullmans or other kits (JC Models, Chester, etc.).
The full length cars that I have include AM smooth-sides and heavyweights (the
2 pullmans and cafe car).

The Pines and Prairies club in Minnesota have produced a couple of nice
but short videos featuring Budd cars made from kits from THE SUPPLY CAR. Of
course those cars use the floors and core bodies from American Models
smooth-sided passenger cars.

I would think that your curves would handle any of these passenger trains
and I would love to see a video of a really long string of them on the
layout.

So my request would be to see videos with any of these full length cars.
I enjoy all your videos but my request is to see passenger cars other than
American Flyer or AM Budds, or AM short heavyweight cars.

- Earl Henry, Nashville



In a message dated 3/26/2012 6:06:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
theupstairstrain@... writes:




Our curves have a 45-inch radius, intended to handle anything you throw at
them.

What does the term "full length passenger car" refer to? Our members have
only cars made by Gilbert, Lionel Flyer, and American Models. None of
them have any problems on our curves.

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From: "_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) "
<_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube



Do you ever operate full length passenger cars on the San Diego modular
layout? Are the curves sufficiently wide to do this? If you do operate
them, I would love to see a video of the train go around the layout.

- Earl Henry, Nashville

In a message dated 3/26/2012 10:53:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
_theupstairstrain@..._ (mailto:theupstairstrain@...) writes:

__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5jA2vQM90g&feature=youtu.be__
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5jA2vQM90g&feature=youtu.be_)
(_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5jA2vQM90g&feature=youtu.be_
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69029 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
From: Alan Lambert
 
Roy,
I also agree. The problem is that some people on this list take it personal and then don't know what the delete button is. If you don't like something go of list with to the sender. Then hit delete or send it to your spam folder if you have one set up. I do and those messages go straight there I don't read them.  My thoughts.
                    Alan


________________________________
From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...>
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy



 

What Alistair said :)
Roy

From: <alizoo@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:47:18 +1030
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy

Yeh - hang in there Mike - you have been an essential and interesting part
of
this board for a long time. Alistair

On Tue 27/03/12 4:19 AM , Carey Probst s-scale@...
<mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com> sent:
> Can't we all play nice on this list?
> All you oversensitive types wouldn't last 10 minutes at my house.
> Mike, please stay and ignore the complainers.
> I thought this nonsense was over a month ago so it it has to
> continue,
> pick on me.
> I have a 5 layer Nomex driver's suite with Carbonx underwear and a
> don't
> really give a rat's a** attitude. Ask me about the threats I got
> when I
> almost got the Morristonwn, NJ Little League charter lifted for not
> following the rules.
> Carey
> Carey Probst
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
> S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
> State,
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
> infringed.
> On 3/26/2012 12:36 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote:
> >
> > Tim, Stumpy and Rick.
> >
> > Forget, I just took my self off the list.
> >
> > All I do is cause everyone to get upset.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > From: Timboy
> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:40 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Timboy, Stumpy
> >
> > Mike:
> >
> > Anyone on this List can send a private note via this List wirhout
> > making some kind of public "thing" out of it.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Timboy
> >
> > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer"
>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Rick, Timboy, and Stumpy,
> > >
> > > Please send me a email.
> > >
> > > Do not write anything, just send me a email, as I need to reply
> to
> > all 3 of you on one email, as we need to talk.
> > >
> > > I promise this will be a friendly email, as we need to patch
> things
> > up, as we both did wrong to each other in private emails last
> month.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
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> > >
> >
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> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69030 From: Timboy Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Enough Already
Bob,

You are making some huge AND unsubstantiated accusations and if your are directing at me, I resent them. Take a page from your own book, Bob, please.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote:
>
> It's time for this childish nonsense to stop. Apparently a few individuals in the group have chosen to overrule/usurp the moderators job and take another to task over number of posts, subject matter, etc. Yet these same individuals don't always adhere to these very same rules they would punish others over. When I joined this group I thought our posts were like part on an ongoing conversation, centered around but not limited to S gauge trains. Occasionally we veer off topic, big deal. And like any conversation there are probably going to be additional thoughts or comments, hence multiple posts. My feeling is that if the moderator approves a post you can either read or delete it. No poster should have to endure censure from anyone other than the moderator either in the group or in private. Recently a peace offering was proffered, but again there was a somewhat snarky reply. If you cannot man up enough to bury the hatchet perhaps it's time for you to leave
> or start your own group, as has happened. Again if the moderator allows a post and you don't agree, delete it. This cyber bullying of other members is, in my mind, unacceptable. Can't we all just play nice?
>  
> Bob 
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69031 From: EDWARD Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: From a moderator!
Ok Folks.

Time to end all this silliness.

I expect every one to be professional on this list. I enjoy the funny comments and sometimes the off the wall responses, but not everyone does. So, lets keep this a list pretaining to our S-Trains on friendly terms.

First of all, every member has acess to members listed email address. There should not be anyone requesting an email address. Also all members are able and should keep their email address current in the membership list by going to the home page and hit edit. Just because Mike was the latest to create a stir, I am not picking on him. Offline, private responses should be kept off the list! Pay attention to what you are doing and think before you respond. Impulse responses will usually set somebody off.

Also for those who receive their posts once a day or digest mode, read the old posts first before sending a response, This includes subject matter that no longer is following the original thread. Please keep the thread current to the present subject. I have approved several messages hoping to get the poster's attention to this and it seems to get lost.

As has been stated in previous posts, let keep this S-Trains related. Carl and I have been extremely lenient in approving posts. In most casae so that we don't get hit with why did my post get disapproved. Common sense would tell you why. There is enough time spent by Carl and I just approving what is being requested for post.I do read each and every post before approving. Sometimes I will take the moderators role and edit a message but keeping the basic content. I have yet to be called on the carpet by a poster for this.

If this continues, I may just stert rejecting messages that fall outside these guidlines.

Lets keep this a fun list with all our knowledge that is on this list and not chase someone away.

Ed Eckert
Moderator

ps: Do I have to get a flack jacket? Hope not!
Group: S-Trains Message: 69032 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Stumpy, and Timboy
There is a Lionel-Flyer Group? Yahoo?

Roy



From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:49:03 +0000
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Stumpy, and Timboy


Stumpy...

Your request goes for me, too.............


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69033 From: Timboy Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Rick, Stumpy, and Timboy
Roy,

Yes there is. Anyone (anyone!) can join and it is un-moderated. Here is a link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lionel-Flyer/

The idea on this new group is to discuss all the American Flyer offerings by Lionel. Hope to see you there with some interesting discussion threads on Lionel American Flyer.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> There is a Lionel-Flyer Group? Yahoo?
>
> Roy
>
>
>
> From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:49:03 +0000
> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rick, Stumpy, and Timboy
>
>
> Stumpy...
>
> Your request goes for me, too.............
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69034 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube
Robert,

I think what is meant by ³full-length passenger car² is one that is 80¹~85¹
long. You know, the ones no manufacturer will make today, RTR. Most of the
ones produced by various manufacturers seem to be more in the 60¹~72¹ range.

At least that is my best guess as to the meaning :)

Roy Inman



From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:33:41 -0700 (PDT)
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube






Our curves have a 45-inch radius, intended to handle anything you throw at
them.

What does the term "full length passenger car" refer to?  Our members have
only cars made by Gilbert, Lionel Flyer, and American Models.  None of them
have any problems on our curves.

________________________________
From: "tennsgauge@... <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com> "
<tennsgauge@... <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com> >
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube


 
Do you ever operate full length passenger cars on the San Diego modular
layout? Are the curves sufficiently wide to do this? If you do operate
them, I would love to see a video of the train go around the layout.

- Earl Henry, Nashville

In a message dated 3/26/2012 10:53:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
theupstairstrain@... <mailto:theupstairstrain%40yahoo.com> writes:

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5jA2vQM90g&feature=youtu.be_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5jA2vQM90g&feature=youtu.be)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69035 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Seeking North Carolina Club Info Update
Hi All,

The NASG web site has an entry on the Club page under North Carolina
called "Charlotte Area". I have been informed that the person listed as
the contact for that group, Tom Davis, no longer lives in that area. The
e-mail address listed on the site is no longer valid.

Does anyone know if that group still exists, and if so, what the correct
contact info is?

Thank you for any leads,
- Peter.

--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
http://nasg.org/
--


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69036 From: George Cohn Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: Enough Already
I'm more of a lurker here as I don't get to play with my original AF
trains nearly enough.

I was the list moderator for a Jaguar XK-E list for sixteen years so I
know that personalities can get in the way sometimes.

All I can say is step back, take a deep breath and chill out!

Mike I enjoyed your posts about your mythical characters so don't leave.

Don't let this list turn into a flame fest that drives off the usual
contributors.

It's only a hobby so don't anyone take it too seriously. Life's too
short to have to deal with jerks all day long.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 69037 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: From a moderator!
From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas

Ed, Thanks for setting everyone straight on the e-mail. I just added you as a contact from the list by clicking on your name. It brought up your e-mail and that was done . Real easy. Hope that helped explain something.
Just cold clean fact.

Thanks,
Alan


________________________________
From: EDWARD <ejenterp@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 6:36 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] From a moderator!



 

Ok Folks.

Time to end all this silliness.

I expect every one to be professional on this list. I enjoy the funny comments and sometimes the off the wall responses, but not everyone does. So, lets keep this a list pretaining to our S-Trains on friendly terms.

First of all, every member has acess to members listed email address. There should not be anyone requesting an email address. Also all members are able and should keep their email address current in the membership list by going to the home page and hit edit. Just because Mike was the latest to create a stir, I am not picking on him. Offline, private responses should be kept off the list! Pay attention to what you are doing and think before you respond. Impulse responses will usually set somebody off.

Also for those who receive their posts once a day or digest mode, read the old posts first before sending a response, This includes subject matter that no longer is following the original thread. Please keep the thread current to the present subject. I have approved several messages hoping to get the poster's attention to this and it seems to get lost.

As has been stated in previous posts, let keep this S-Trains related. Carl and I have been extremely lenient in approving posts. In most casae so that we don't get hit with why did my post get disapproved. Common sense would tell you why. There is enough time spent by Carl and I just approving what is being requested for post.I do read each and every post before approving. Sometimes I will take the moderators role and edit a message but keeping the basic content. I have yet to be called on the carpet by a poster for this.

If this continues, I may just start rejecting messages that fall outside these guidlines.

Lets keep this a fun list with all our knowledge that is on this list and not chase someone away.

Ed Eckert
Moderator

ps: Do I have to get a flack jacket? Hope not!



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69038 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Kewl AFL Boxcar
Hi All,

I tend to bash Flyonel from time-to-time but I'll give them credit too. I just bought the 6-48385 Catalog Art boxcar and it is a thing of beauty! Keep up the good work!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69039 From: bkweidner Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: S scale and or S Hirail trains
Hi all,

I am at a cross roads in my train hobby. Is it just me or are there too many options for S train power control, wheel flange/rail height and sounds? AF by lionel has TMCC/conventional, American models Has AC-flyer compatible and DC scale, S-helper has AC-flyer and DCC.

I am a simple loop runner for the most part and operate in conventional mode. We need a standard as far as command control for our scale/gauge.
I say this because I am afraid to invest in any one system being the next loco I want may not come with compatible electronics to the system chosen. I forgot to mention that Aristo craft offers a radio controlled system with receivers small enough to fit in O gauge locos maybe even some of the bigger S gauge locos. Although expensive if I have to convert stuff from one system to another it looks like this would be a possible solution for me as every thing would have to be converted(best way is from conventional to RC).

Just a rambeling thought.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69040 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: ACG display trains
Hi all,
I was perusing the American Flyer Displays site, and noticed that the
28190 display (for a figure 8 w/ trestle set) is listed as having, "with
trains and track securely fastened to prevent pilferage." Now I know there
was a variation on the Pacific locomotive with a threaded hole in the
chassis used to mount it to a display board. How were the cars "securely
fastened"? Does anyone know?
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69041 From: roninscho9 Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: question agian about baldwin 21801
The Baldwin engine is rather poorly designed ( Lionel still offers this engine with no real improvement ) as this engine was geared for speed not power , If the axle holes are too badly worn You may need to get some bushings made or as I have done you can put the motor and gears into the front truck and then use it on the rear, the front truck is usually not as bad as the rear , as what caused the axle holes to wear out was the high current draw of the motor through the axles to the truck arcing and wearing away the metal , You can improve things by using the S&S can motor conversion kit ( big improvment ) with the reduction gearing and the weight that is in the kit to enable the engine to pull a few more cars while drawing far less current , the other problem causing this engine to not pull well is caused by not having the engines weight centered on the powered truck but toward the inboard axle and so there is not enough weight on the rear axle,not a lot you can do as the bolster / pivot point is in the stamped aluminum chassis and no way to add weight to the rear of the truck with so little room in the cab as the motor needs to move side to side when going around curved track . Ron
Group: S-Trains Message: 69042 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Mike I finally found a (2) postcards from Texas. I will get them in the mail tomorrow 3-27-2012. nobody close had any and the stockyards have been packed all weekend.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Thank You, Mike
>
>
> In a message dated 3/23/2012 2:31:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> alanlambert64@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> From: Alan Lambert
> Fort Worth, Texas
> I will cover Texas.
> thanks,
> Alan
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) " <_anormal1@..._
> (mailto:anormal1@...) >
> To: _s-trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:s-trains@yahoogroups.com)
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 10:27 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: REQUEST
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Guys, I have a request , this is out the ordinary. My daughters
> step-son needs post cards written to his fifth grade class. If you can,
> could you
> send a post card from your state?Her kid needs one from ea. state. Thank
> You, Mike
> His address:
>
> NIKO BROWN
> C/O Alyson Strickland
> 1160 E Salem
> Fresno, Ca 93720
>
> Write: Greeting 5th grade class
> Hope to see you here one day/ or anything else (could be train related)
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69043 From: EDWARD Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Moderator
Ok,

I guess you folks don't get it. The subject is offline at this time to everyone. There are messages in the que that have not been approved and or have rejected.

I have sent a message to both Carl and Paul before any other action will be taken by me.

I will approve any post not is not off limits, which I have done.

Keep the personal attacks offline and lets get back to where we should be, S-Trains and fun!

Ed Eckert
My flack jacket is working!
Group: S-Trains Message: 69044 From: Herbert Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Difference is SHS is run by model railroaders;Lionel by marketers.
Herb W

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
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> Looks to me as if Lionel uses just the one. SHS is much more realistic.
>
> Roy
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> From: <WJJIM@...>
> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:19:26 -0400 (EDT)
> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel New track-PS:
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> I have "heard" that SHS uses four ( 4 ) individual paint steps on their
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> Jim Lyle
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> In a message dated 3/26/2012 11:04:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> chrisandmhelburger@... <mailto:chrisandmhelburger%40yahoo.com>
> writes:
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> The second thing I noticed is the gray color of the balast is all the
> same. S-Helper has a multi-colored balast wich gives it a much better
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69045 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
Thank You, Mike


In a message dated 3/26/2012 11:30:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
alanlambert64@... writes:




Mike I finally found a (2) postcards from Texas. I will get them in the
mail tomorrow 3-27-2012. nobody close had any and the stockyards have been
packed all weekend.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
anormal1@... wrote:
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> Thank You, Mike
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> In a message dated 3/23/2012 2:31:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> alanlambert64@... writes:
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> From: Alan Lambert
> Fort Worth, Texas
> I will cover Texas.
> thanks,
> Alan
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> From: "_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) " <_anormal1@..._
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> Hi Guys, I have a request , this is out the ordinary. My daughters
> step-son needs post cards written to his fifth grade class. If you can,
> could you
> send a post card from your state?Her kid needs one from ea. state. Thank
> You, Mike
> His address:
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> NIKO BROWN
> C/O Alyson Strickland
> 1160 E Salem
> Fresno, Ca 93720
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69046 From: ken garber Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale and or S Hirail trains
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:40 AM, <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> There are 7 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
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> 1. S scale and or S Hirail trains
> From: bkweidner
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> Messages
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1. S scale and or S Hirail trains
> Posted by: "bkweidner" weidner@... bkweidner
> Date: Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:58 pm ((PDT))
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am at a cross roads in my train hobby. Is it just me or are there too
> many options for S train power control, wheel flange/rail height and
> sounds? AF by lionel has TMCC/conventional, American models Has AC-flyer
> compatible and DC scale, S-helper has AC-flyer and DCC.
>
> I am a simple loop runner for the most part and operate in conventional
> mode. We need a standard as far as command control for our scale/gauge.
> I say this because I am afraid to invest in any one system being the next
> loco I want may not come with compatible electronics to the system chosen.
> I forgot to mention that Aristo craft offers a radio controlled system with
> receivers small enough to fit in O gauge locos maybe even some of the
> bigger S gauge locos. Although expensive if I have to convert stuff from
> one system to another it looks like this would be a possible solution for
> me as every thing would have to be converted(best way is from conventional
> to RC).
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> Just a rambeling thought.
>
The good thing about standards is that there are so many. :)

You probably ask the impossible.

At least the gauge is standard.

Here's athought. What do you have the most of? Make that YOUR standard
and anything new is adapted to that.

Or, if you run multple loops, make each loop run one of the 'modes' - DCC
or DC on one track; AC on another (SHS or AM); and AC on the other (Lionel
TMCC or SHS/AM). We do that on our club portable layout.

Then never the 'twains' shall meet.

And that's my rambing thought.

:)

Ken


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69047 From: R G Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale and or S Hirail trains
I under stand completely your feelings. All of my traditional Flyer and most of my American models, S- Helper and Flyer by Lionel is all traditionally powered by Classic Flyer transformers.  I have TMCC and S-Helper locomatic control.  To me these system give you additional features that traditional control does not provide, and it is the way of the future. Of course S-Helper locomatic control is a technology dead end and they are going the DCC route.  Both TMCC and Lionel Legacy are like DCC in that they are all command control systems.  With Lionel being a big player in S-Scale the Legacy command control system is going to be part of our S-Scale future.  I am not converting to one system or the other, I have no problem with conventional traditional transformer control. To me there is no difference being at a transformer or holding a command control transmitter other than the ability to move around.  Since most layouts are not that large most of
us do little movement!  I like both S-Helper track and American model track and with Tom's turnouts the wheel flange issue is not there.  I run all sizes of flanges and if you lay good track you will not have a problem.  Heck, scale flanges will even run on good quality original flyer track and switches.   Laying good quality track no matter the size of the rail is the key to good operation!



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From: bkweidner <weidner@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:54 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] S scale and or S Hirail trains


 
Hi all,

I am at a cross roads in my train hobby. Is it just me or are there too many options for S train power control, wheel flange/rail height and sounds? AF by lionel has TMCC/conventional, American models Has AC-flyer compatible and DC scale, S-helper has AC-flyer and DCC.

I am a simple loop runner for the most part and operate in conventional mode. We need a standard as far as command control for our scale/gauge.
I say this because I am afraid to invest in any one system being the next loco I want may not come with compatible electronics to the system chosen. I forgot to mention that Aristo craft offers a radio controlled system with receivers small enough to fit in O gauge locos maybe even some of the bigger S gauge locos. Although expensive if I have to convert stuff from one system to another it looks like this would be a possible solution for me as every thing would have to be converted(best way is from conventional to RC).

Just a rambeling thought.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69048 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
From: Alan Lambert
 
Herb,
Give Lionel a chance. What would you do if they turned out to be the only supplyer of "S" . They are trying but they need our input so they know which way to go.Sounds like you are a "Scale" guy that likes to bash out at anything. Again, give Lionel a chance. with our nput they will reallize what we want and make some changes, but it takes time. My opinion Only and it counts.
                       Thanks,
                                    Alan


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From: Herbert <hwass@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:16 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel New track-PS:



 

Difference is SHS is run by model railroaders;Lionel by marketers.
Herb W

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
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> Looks to me as if Lionel uses just the one. SHS is much more realistic.
>
> Roy
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>
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> From: <WJJIM@...>
> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:19:26 -0400 (EDT)
> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel New track-PS:
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> I have "heard" that SHS uses four ( 4 ) individual paint steps on their
> ballasted track to achieve their prototypical appearance.
>
> Jim Lyle
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> In a message dated 3/26/2012 11:04:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> chrisandmhelburger@... <mailto:chrisandmhelburger%40yahoo.com>
> writes:
>
> The second thing I noticed is the gray color of the balast is all the
> same. S-Helper has a multi-colored balast wich gives it a much better
> appearance.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69049 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track- Are turnouts for high rail only ???
If the new turnouts for Lionel's new track system allow only high rail
locos and rolling stock to operate reliably through them, then I think this
will be a great addition to their product line. I will be watching patiently
to read reports on their reliability when Lionel actually delivers.

But I have this question about the Lionel turnouts? Are the turnouts
intended only for high rail? My assumption has been yes. But now I am asking
since Lionel is entering the scale side of the market too.

- Earl Henry, Nashville



In a message dated 3/27/2012 5:48:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
hwass@... writes:




Difference is SHS is run by model railroaders;Lionel by marketers.
Herb W

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Roy
Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Looks to me as if Lionel uses just the one. SHS is much more realistic.
>
> Roy
>
>
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> From: <WJJIM@...>
> Reply-To: S-trains <_S-trains@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com) >
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:19:26 -0400 (EDT)
> To: S-trains <_S-trains@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com) >
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel New track-PS:
>
>
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>
> I have "heard" that SHS uses four ( 4 ) individual paint steps on their
> ballasted track to achieve their prototypical appearance.
>
> Jim Lyle
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>
> In a message dated 3/26/2012 11:04:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> chrisandmhelburger@... <mailto:chrisandmhelburger%40yahoo.com>
> writes:
>
> The second thing I noticed is the gray color of the balast is all the
> same. S-Helper has a multi-colored balast wich gives it a much better
> appearance.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69050 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale and or S Hirail trains
In a message dated 3/27/2012 9:27:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
keyhole_corona@... writes:

Heck, scale flanges will even run on good quality original flyer track and
switches. Laying good quality track no matter the size of the rail is
the key to good operation!





I take issue with this statement. I would not recommend original Flyer
track and switches for highrail or scale but especially not for scale. The
percentage of Gilbert switches that are reliable even for highrail operation
is very small. You may have learned some secrets to adjusting the
American Flyer switches that I have not learned, and I applaud you if that is the
case. But for most of us American Flyer switches mean lots of derailments.
Add to that how bad the Gilbert switches look. Plus even the best of the
American Flyer turnouts will not reliably allow Gilbert Northerns or newer
full-length passenger cars to operate through them.

There are three features of the Gilbert switches that I recognize as being
really good. One is that they are simple and easy to set up and wire.
Second, they allow easy control of power shut-off to sidings. And third,
kids love the green and red lights. So I can see using them on a layout setup
for young children. But for adults, I cannot recommend them.

- Earl Henry, Nashville




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69051 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
While I personally like the looks of SHS ballested track, the Lionel is a
good addition to S. It is aimed at a broad market and, as Alan says, at
least they are putting resources into development of new S stuff, which can
only lift the entire S boat, in the same manner that AM and SHS have. Those
two S manufacturers have had to aim their products to a broader market in
order to be viable as well.

Roy



From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:52:48 -0700 (PDT)
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel New track-PS:






From: Alan Lambert
 
Herb,
Give Lionel a chance. What would you do if they turned out to be the only
supplyer of "S" . They are trying but they need our input so they know which
way to go.Sounds like you are a "Scale" guy that likes to bash out at
anything. Again, give Lionel a chance. with our nput they will reallize what
we want and make some changes, but it takes time. My opinion Only and it
counts.
                       Thanks,
                                    Alan


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From: Herbert <hwass@... <mailto:hwass%40hotmail.com> >
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:16 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel New track-PS:


 

Difference is SHS is run by model railroaders;Lionel by marketers.
Herb W

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Roy
Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Looks to me as if Lionel uses just the one. SHS is much more realistic.
>
> Roy
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> From: <WJJIM@...>
> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:19:26 -0400 (EDT)
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> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel New track-PS:
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> I have "heard" that SHS uses four ( 4 ) individual paint steps on their
> ballasted track to achieve their prototypical appearance.
>
> Jim Lyle
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> In a message dated 3/26/2012 11:04:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> chrisandmhelburger@... <mailto:chrisandmhelburger%40yahoo.com>
> writes:
>
> The second thing I noticed is the gray color of the balast is all the
> same. S-Helper has a multi-colored balast wich gives it a much better
> appearance.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69052 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube
None of our members have any of those cars.  Too bad we didn't get together to do that at the NTS in Sacramento last July!  If anyone who has some can visit our clubhouse in San Diego's Liberty Station clubhouse, I'd be delighted to run them and make a video of the event.  We have AC, DC, DCC, TMCC, and TMCC/TPC power sources available.


We're regularly open to the public Sunday and Wednesday afternoons from noon to 3:30, but could probably meet you there at just about any time.



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From: "tennsgauge@..." <tennsgauge@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube


 
Utube videos of S scale full length passenger cars seem to be pretty rare.
I would be interested in seeing full length passenger cars operate on
your module regardless of their source.

I am most interested in seeing full length plastic passenger cars from
American Models but would also enjoy seeing other passenger cars such as the
Southwind heavyweight Pullmans or other kits (JC Models, Chester, etc.).
The full length cars that I have include AM smooth-sides and heavyweights (the
2 pullmans and cafe car).

The Pines and Prairies club in Minnesota have produced a couple of nice
but short videos featuring Budd cars made from kits from THE SUPPLY CAR. Of
course those cars use the floors and core bodies from American Models
smooth-sided passenger cars.

I would think that your curves would handle any of these passenger trains
and I would love to see a video of a really long string of them on the
layout.

So my request would be to see videos with any of these full length cars.
I enjoy all your videos but my request is to see passenger cars other than
American Flyer or AM Budds, or AM short heavyweight cars.

- Earl Henry, Nashville



In a message dated 3/26/2012 6:06:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
theupstairstrain@... writes:

Our curves have a 45-inch radius, intended to handle anything you throw at
them.

What does the term "full length passenger car" refer to? Our members have
only cars made by Gilbert, Lionel Flyer, and American Models. None of
them have any problems on our curves.

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From: "_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) "
<_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube

Do you ever operate full length passenger cars on the San Diego modular
layout? Are the curves sufficiently wide to do this? If you do operate
them, I would love to see a video of the train go around the layout.

- Earl Henry, Nashville

In a message dated 3/26/2012 10:53:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
_theupstairstrain@..._ (mailto:theupstairstrain@...) writes:

__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5jA2vQM90g&feature=youtu.be__
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5jA2vQM90g&feature=youtu.be_)
(_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5jA2vQM90g&feature=youtu.be_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5jA2vQM90g&feature=youtu.be) )

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69053 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer Club
� Hurst, Texas

Roy,

I use S-Helper sectional track and love it. with that in mind, I am thinking about having some scale to go with the Highrail werun on our club layout. Note the address change. We are in the process of  some demo work at our new location. We will have a layout room, and a meeting room when it is all done. I also have some of the flex trackand roadbed that I haven't used yet.
� Thanks,
� Alan


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From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...>
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel New track-PS:



 

While I personally like the looks of SHS ballested track, the Lionel is a
good addition to S. It is aimed at a broad market and, as Alan says, at
least they are putting resources into development of new S stuff, which can
only lift the entire S boat, in the same manner that AM and SHS have. Those
two S manufacturers have had to aim their products to a broader market in
order to be viable as well.

Roy

From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:52:48 -0700 (PDT)
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel New track-PS:

From: Alan Lambert
 
Herb,
Give Lionel a chance. What would you do if they turned out to be the only
supplyer of "S" . They are trying but they need our input so they know which
way to go.Sounds like you are a "Scale" guy that likes to bash out at
anything. Again, give Lionel a chance. with our nput they will reallize what
we want and make some changes, but it takes time. My opinion Only and it
counts.
                       Thanks,
                                    Alan


________________________________
From: Herbert <hwass@... <mailto:hwass%40hotmail.com> >
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:16 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel New track-PS:


 

Difference is SHS is run by model railroaders;Lionel by marketers.
Herb W

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Roy
Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Looks to me as if Lionel uses just the one. SHS is much more realistic.
>
> Roy
>
>
>
> From: <WJJIM@...>
> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:19:26 -0400 (EDT)
> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel New track-PS:
>
>
>
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> I have "heard" that SHS uses four ( 4 ) individual paint steps on their
> ballasted track to achieve their prototypical appearance.
>
> Jim Lyle
>
>
> In a message dated 3/26/2012 11:04:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> chrisandmhelburger@... <mailto:chrisandmhelburger%40yahoo.com>
> writes:
>
> The second thing I noticed is the gray color of the balast is all the
> same. S-Helper has a multi-colored balast wich gives it a much better
> appearance.
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69054 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale or Hi-rail trains
I lean toward Hi-rail for reliable running. If you use S Helper track, it accepts both types of wheels equally well, so you need not make a distinction between scale or hi-rail wheelsets.

I come from a "Model" train background, so I prefer straight DC power, either using the large MRC power pack ora nold Flyer transformer and rectifier. This allows you to install a cooler running, smoother DC can motor, and eliminate the troublesome old finger type reverse unit. Direction control is where you run trains from, not on board.

As to DCC or other operating systems, I don't have a layout complicated enough to use them, and they tend to be expensive, especially as you add many locomotives. If you go with DC power, the DCC was developed for that from model railroading. If you stick with AC power TMCC is designed for that and was developed by Lionel. There are other systems which I'm less familiar with.

The choice is yours.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69055 From: Timboy Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale and or S Hirail trains
I don't think it's just you. There ARE a lot of choices and it CAN be bewildering! No system is ever perfect or all-encompassing and it's up to each of us to pick our poison, so to speak. Right now I'm running pretty much straight vintage linker. But I have gone the Full Monty with DCC conversions in the past. DCC is wonderful, but does present some issues. First is cost. Maybe not so bad if we go with just a basic speed/direction decoder. But if we go to sound, then that is where, I feel, the cost starts to mount up. Why? Well, for me it was the expensive decoders with sound and a speaker for one thing. But it didn't stop there. Then I decided I needed to be able to program or re-program my own sound cards, so a programmer was next. Oh, and I have fried a decoder or two. It wasn't that hard. Lol Second, was converting all of my action cars to DCC. The S-n-S Guys are very capable of doing that if we don't want to do it ourselves. But there is a cost to it, of course - whether we send them in or do it ourselves. Third, there are the issues with vibrating mats. They do not work on DCC. There are work-arounds for them; insulated sidings, relays wired to the activation buttons, etc. Maybe not so much of a cost factor, but it is a building factor and if you don't like to build, then that is a concern.

Stumpy made the comment that he didn't feel the cost justified the outcome if one were to run their trains on a smallish loop layout. Okay, but consider this. One could make a small switching layout or small point-to-point layout and take great satisfaction in running the trains in the most prototypical fashion possible. DCC would certainly be the answer to that!

So, I think the larger question would be: how are you going to run your trains - multiple locomotives on the track at one time, prototypical operations, small-scale loop-running on a display layout or some other way. I think that high-level concept needs to be addressed first. Then the decision to use either DCC or conventional AC or DC has more of a chance to fall into place, IMHO.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bkweidner" <weidner@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am at a cross roads in my train hobby. Is it just me or are there too many options for S train power control, wheel flange/rail height and sounds? AF by lionel has TMCC/conventional, American models Has AC-flyer compatible and DC scale, S-helper has AC-flyer and DCC.
>
> I am a simple loop runner for the most part and operate in conventional mode. We need a standard as far as command control for our scale/gauge.
> I say this because I am afraid to invest in any one system being the next loco I want may not come with compatible electronics to the system chosen. I forgot to mention that Aristo craft offers a radio controlled system with receivers small enough to fit in O gauge locos maybe even some of the bigger S gauge locos. Although expensive if I have to convert stuff from one system to another it looks like this would be a possible solution for me as every thing would have to be converted(best way is from conventional to RC).
>
> Just a rambeling thought.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69056 From: Carey Probst Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
2 on the way from the Clinton County PA Historical Society Museum.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com>
> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:27 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: REQUEST
>
> Hi Guys, I have a request , this is out the ordinary. My daughters
> step-son needs post cards written to his fifth grade class. If you
> can, could you
> send a post card from your state?Her kid needs one from ea. state. Thank
> You, Mike
> His address:
>
> NIKO BROWN
> C/O Alyson Strickland
> 1160 E Salem
> Fresno, Ca 93720
>
> Write: Greeting 5th grade class
> Hope to see you here one day/ or anything else (could be train related)
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69057 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale and or S Hirail trains
I just like S scale Highrail, but like everthing being done, with Lionel there
is change from tmcc to legacy, dcc is what it is due to ho and n scale, I love
the steamers but its all up to what you want, like and can afford to spend, the
only change i may ever make is add a cam motor if i get a steamer that is
completelly burned out, so far that hasnt happened, goode luck on what ever
direction you decide to go into Jim Davidson




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From: ken garber <garber.ken@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 27, 2012 8:31:53 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S scale and or S Hirail trains

 
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:40 AM, <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> There are 7 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. S scale and or S Hirail trains
> From: bkweidner
>
>
> Messages
> __________________________________________________________
> 1. S scale and or S Hirail trains
> Posted by: "bkweidner" weidner@... bkweidner
> Date: Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:58 pm ((PDT))
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am at a cross roads in my train hobby. Is it just me or are there too
> many options for S train power control, wheel flange/rail height and
> sounds? AF by lionel has TMCC/conventional, American models Has AC-flyer
> compatible and DC scale, S-helper has AC-flyer and DCC.
>
> I am a simple loop runner for the most part and operate in conventional
> mode. We need a standard as far as command control for our scale/gauge.
> I say this because I am afraid to invest in any one system being the next
> loco I want may not come with compatible electronics to the system chosen.
> I forgot to mention that Aristo craft offers a radio controlled system with
> receivers small enough to fit in O gauge locos maybe even some of the
> bigger S gauge locos. Although expensive if I have to convert stuff from
> one system to another it looks like this would be a possible solution for
> me as every thing would have to be converted(best way is from conventional
> to RC).
>
> Just a rambeling thought.
>
The good thing about standards is that there are so many. :)

You probably ask the impossible.

At least the gauge is standard.

Here's athought. What do you have the most of? Make that YOUR standard
and anything new is adapted to that.

Or, if you run multple loops, make each loop run one of the 'modes' - DCC
or DC on one track; AC on another (SHS or AM); and AC on the other (Lionel
TMCC or SHS/AM). We do that on our club portable layout.

Then never the 'twains' shall meet.

And that's my rambing thought.

:)

Ken

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69058 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale and or S Hirail trains
----- Original Message -----
From: bkweidner <weidner@...>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:54 PM

. . . . . . . . . AF by lionel has TMCC/conventional, American models Has
AC-flyer compatible and DC scale, S-helper has AC-flyer and DCC.. . . . . .
. . . .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
It dawned on me while walking dog yesterday that you missed one. S-Helper
also has Locomatic.
< < < < < < < < < < < < < <
I am a simple loop runner for the most part and operate in conventional
mode.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
In that case stick to AC.
< < < < < < < < < < < < < <
We need a standard as far as command control for our scale/gauge.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Model railroading has a standard. It's called DCC. You're going to have a
struggle establishing a different one for S Gauge.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 69059 From: Joseph H Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Seeking North Carolina Club Info Update
There are 2 S gauge groups serving the Charlotte area. One of them, a scale club called Piedmont S Gaugers, split off from the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers because they want to do a scale layout, charge a member fee, and only do shows within 60 miles of Charlotte. Someone from that group hopefully will chime in with details.

The Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers is a hi-rail club which does about 14 shows a year (3 of which include motel rooms and meals and 2 of these also include an honorarium). This club does shows from Mauldin (Greenville), SC to Bluefield, WV to Raleigh, NC to Clifton Forge, VA. They have 2 modular layouts, one of which can be as large as 30 feet by 50 feet with up to more than 70 accessories with buttons and the other (for 1-day shows), which is a table top 5 by 9 layout running 3 trains simultaneously with 7 accessories with buttons. For information about this Division (1 of 7) of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers, go to www.trainweb.ord/acsg and click on the Carolinas Division. Ucoming shows are indicated on the website nd there is no membership fee.

Joe

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Peter Vanvliet <groups@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> The NASG web site has an entry on the Club page under North Carolina
> called "Charlotte Area". I have been informed that the person listed as
> the contact for that group, Tom Davis, no longer lives in that area. The
> e-mail address listed on the site is no longer valid.
>
> Does anyone know if that group still exists, and if so, what the correct
> contact info is?
>
> Thank you for any leads,
> - Peter.
>
> --
> Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
> Houston, Texas
>
> http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
> http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
> http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
> http://nasg.org/
> --
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69060 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale or Hi-rail trains
Stumpy and Tim provide excellent essays on the subject; worth keeping.
On my layout, I use DPDT switches to select AC or DC operation. That
way, I can run really old and unmodified stuff, converted stuff or new
things as fits my mood.

I had a DCC system and have built layouts for folks who wanted that or
another Command Control system. The idea is to run your trains not your
layout so that the controls have to do with the locomotive rather than
the track plan. I found that the system must be used regularly in order
to keep the batteries charged (for some), the rails and wheels clean
enough for reliability and to keep the owner's familiarity with the
controls current. If the layout went into a 2 or 3 month hiatus, the
owner might need some retraining to enjoy the fancier features. There
were a lot of phone calls to get a guy's layout operational after he had
left it for a while. Cleanliness is vital.

Any conventional power supply whether AC or DC is so simple that
retraining is just not required.

So, another factor to consider besides the trains, layouts and the
controls is the owner and operator. Are you good at programming a VCR or
cable box? Can you set the oven to cook a cake or a roast? Not
comfortable with that means probably not comfortable with a Command
Control system.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us
Group: S-Trains Message: 69061 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: ACG display trains
An interesting question. I guess I get so busy posting what I can find
that I didn't notice that before. I wonder if they used twist ties
back in 1957 or is that a new invention. They don't seem that
complicated, but maybe they didn't see the need. The sentence also
seems to be a bit contradictory as it say things are packed in
individual cartons, yet says it is ready to set up out of the carton.
I guess the dealers got one complete setup and a normal train set box
for the items for sale. I am still not sure how the display set is to
"boxed and packed in rear of the display." I also cringe at the advice
to throw the display away after the display train is sold. I wonder if
many of these remain. Has anyone ever seen one?

Dale

On 3/26/2012 7:27 PM, djdewey@... wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I was perusing the American Flyer Displays site, and noticed that the
> 28190 display (for a figure 8 w/ trestle set) is listed as having, "with
> trains and track securely fastened to prevent pilferage." Now I know
> there
> was a variation on the Pacific locomotive with a threaded hole in the
> chassis used to mount it to a display board. How were the cars "securely
> fastened"? Does anyone know?
> S'
> David D.
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69062 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: REQUEST
I want to thank all that have sent cards, Mike


In a message dated 3/27/2012 12:01:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
s-scale@... writes:

2 on the way from the Clinton County PA Historical Society Museum.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com>
> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:27 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: REQUEST
>
> Hi Guys, I have a request , this is out the ordinary. My daughters
> step-son needs post cards written to his fifth grade class. If you
> can, could you
> send a post card from your state?Her kid needs one from ea. state. Thank
> You, Mike
> His address:
>
> NIKO BROWN
> C/O Alyson Strickland
> 1160 E Salem
> Fresno, Ca 93720
>
> Write: Greeting 5th grade class
> Hope to see you here one day/ or anything else (could be train related)
>
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>
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>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69063 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube
When and if you get the chance to operate some full length passenger trains
on the layout and video them, I will look forward to seeing the video.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 3/27/2012 11:22:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
theupstairstrain@... writes:




None of our members have any of those cars. Too bad we didn't get
together to do that at the NTS in Sacramento last July! If anyone who has some
can visit our clubhouse in San Diego's Liberty Station clubhouse, I'd be
delighted to run them and make a video of the event. We have AC, DC, DCC,
TMCC, and TMCC/TPC power sources available.

We're regularly open to the public Sunday and Wednesday afternoons from
noon to 3:30, but could probably meet you there at just about any time.

________________________________
From: "_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) "
<_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube



Utube videos of S scale full length passenger cars seem to be pretty rare.
I would be interested in seeing full length passenger cars operate on
your module regardless of their source.

I am most interested in seeing full length plastic passenger cars from
American Models but would also enjoy seeing other passenger cars such as
the
Southwind heavyweight Pullmans or other kits (JC Models, Chester, etc.).
The full length cars that I have include AM smooth-sides and heavyweights
(the
2 pullmans and cafe car).

The Pines and Prairies club in Minnesota have produced a couple of nice
but short videos featuring Budd cars made from kits from THE SUPPLY CAR.
Of
course those cars use the floors and core bodies from American Models
smooth-sided passenger cars.

I would think that your curves would handle any of these passenger trains
and I would love to see a video of a really long string of them on the
layout.

So my request would be to see videos with any of these full length cars.
I enjoy all your videos but my request is to see passenger cars other than
American Flyer or AM Budds, or AM short heavyweight cars.

- Earl Henry, Nashville

In a message dated 3/26/2012 6:06:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
_theupstairstrain@..._ (mailto:theupstairstrain@...) writes:

Our curves have a 45-inch radius, intended to handle anything you throw at
them.

What does the term "full length passenger car" refer to? Our members have
only cars made by Gilbert, Lionel Flyer, and American Models. None of
them have any problems on our curves.

________________________________
From: "__tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:_tennsgauge@...) _
(mailto:_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) ) "
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(mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) )
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube

Do you ever operate full length passenger cars on the San Diego modular
layout? Are the curves sufficiently wide to do this? If you do operate
them, I would love to see a video of the train go around the layout.

- Earl Henry, Nashville

In a message dated 3/26/2012 10:53:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
__theupstairstrain@..._ (mailto:_theupstairstrain@...) _
(mailto:_theupstairstrain@..._ (mailto:theupstairstrain@...) )
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69064 From: rapidrail1 Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: New Circus car photos
The first is a Flyer coach car painted and decorated to go with the Flyonel combine.

The second is an American Models undecorated painted a nice burgandy and silver roof with custom decals for the Great American Circus. I'm not real happy with the way the white decal sheet break-up on the edges after being dipped in water. Anyone have a solution for preventing that? This car, plus a coach and combine, will run with the Scenery Unlimited train.

The last car is the Flyonel combine with some changes and improvements. First, the Lionel car came with black trucks, but all photos of Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey cars I see they have silver trucks, so I painted mine. Second, for some reason Lionel did not put silouets in the windows this time. So I took some old Lionel window silouets I had from a previous kit bash, cut them up and put them in the windows. A big improvement I think.

The only real project remaining is to paint an AM flat to go with the SHS flats and carry a tractor and some more trailers for the Scenery Unlimited train.

Don't forget to check out these trains running on YouTube. I posted the address a few days ago.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 69065 From: Herbert Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
Alan,
I'm not a scale guy, but I'm a bit of a cynic.I'm in my late 70's now and not very active anymore. I used t write about aC Gilbert many years ago.
I agree that Lionel is trying hard. I think Mr. Calabrese is a very competent man and knows that they have to provide a good product simply as a matter of necessity.
In fact,Lionel has gone from the train around the tree stuff to the realization that that market is disappearing and serious model railroaders are the key to long range success.
Thanks for your comment.
Herb Wasserman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
>  
> Herb,
> Give Lionel a chance. What would you do if they turned out to be the only supplyer of "S" . They are trying but they need our input so they know which way to go.Sounds like you are a "Scale" guy that likes to bash out at anything. Again, give Lionel a chance. with our nput they will reallize what we want and make some changes, but it takes time. My opinion Only and it counts.
>                        Thanks,
>                                     Alan
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Herbert <hwass@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:16 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel New track-PS:
>
>
>
>  
>
> Difference is SHS is run by model railroaders;Lionel by marketers.
> Herb W
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@> wrote:
> >
> > Looks to me as if Lionel uses just the one. SHS is much more realistic.
> >
> > Roy
> >
> >
> >
> > From: <WJJIM@>
> > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:19:26 -0400 (EDT)
> > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel New track-PS:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have "heard" that SHS uses four ( 4 ) individual paint steps on their
> > ballasted track to achieve their prototypical appearance.
> >
> > Jim Lyle
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/26/2012 11:04:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > chrisandmhelburger@ <mailto:chrisandmhelburger%40yahoo.com>
> > writes:
> >
> > The second thing I noticed is the gray color of the balast is all the
> > same. S-Helper has a multi-colored balast wich gives it a much better
> > appearance.
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69066 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track-PS:
From: Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth, Texas
 
Herb,
I did not think you were a scale guy. I was just saying that Lionel needs to combine the 2, to meet today's market. the scale guys were licking their chops with the mention of scale wheels available on the new hopper car. I have my doubts too.
� Thanks,
Alan
My club, Lone Star Flyer just found a new club house for our layout. We need to do some work before we move it in. Maybe the end of May. Check  back with you when I find out more.



________________________________
From: Herbert <hwass@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:23 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel New track-PS:



 

Alan,
I'm not a scale guy, but I'm a bit of a cynic.I'm in my late 70's now and not very active anymore. I used t write about aC Gilbert many years ago.
I agree that Lionel is trying hard. I think Mr. Calabrese is a very competent man and knows that they have to provide a good product simply as a matter of necessity.
In fact,Lionel has gone from the train around the tree stuff to the realization that that market is disappearing and serious model railroaders are the key to long range success.
Thanks for your comment.
Herb Wasserman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
>  
> Herb,
> Give Lionel a chance. What would you do if they turned out to be the only supplyer of "S" . They are trying but they need our input so they know which way to go.Sounds like you are a "Scale" guy that likes to bash out at anything. Again, give Lionel a chance. with our nput they will reallize what we want and make some changes, but it takes time. My opinion Only and it counts.
>                        Thanks,
>                                     Alan
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Herbert <hwass@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:16 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel New track-PS:
>
>
>
>  
>
> Difference is SHS is run by model railroaders;Lionel by marketers.
> Herb W
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@> wrote:
> >
> > Looks to me as if Lionel uses just the one. SHS is much more realistic.
> >
> > Roy
> >
> >
> >
> > From: <WJJIM@>
> > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:19:26 -0400 (EDT)
> > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel New track-PS:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have "heard" that SHS uses four ( 4 ) individual paint steps on their
> > ballasted track to achieve their prototypical appearance.
> >
> > Jim Lyle
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/26/2012 11:04:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > chrisandmhelburger@ <mailto:chrisandmhelburger%40yahoo.com>
> > writes:
> >
> > The second thing I noticed is the gray color of the balast is all the
> > same. S-Helper has a multi-colored balast wich gives it a much better
> > appearance.
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69067 From: ljcamp2 Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: ACG display trains
I have a 28191 display like the one you are looking at. It has a 283 engine and yes there is a threaded hole on the bottom of the chassis. It is held in place with an erector double angle under the cardboard and a bolt through the middle of the double angle and into the engine. The track under under the cars is held down with small "J" bolts hooked over the rail and down through the cardboard. The cars are held onto the track with small wires through the rail ties and over the top of the trucks. The two stacks of curve track in front are slso held down with longer wires. The straight track and box of cardboard trestles are stored in the back of the display. This display was sent as shown in a large box from the factory .

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale F. Smith" <dalefsmith@...> wrote:
>
> An interesting question. I guess I get so busy posting what I can find
> that I didn't notice that before. I wonder if they used twist ties
> back in 1957 or is that a new invention. They don't seem that
> complicated, but maybe they didn't see the need. The sentence also
> seems to be a bit contradictory as it say things are packed in
> individual cartons, yet says it is ready to set up out of the carton.
> I guess the dealers got one complete setup and a normal train set box
> for the items for sale. I am still not sure how the display set is to
> "boxed and packed in rear of the display." I also cringe at the advice
> to throw the display away after the display train is sold. I wonder if
> many of these remain. Has anyone ever seen one?
>
> Dale
>
> On 3/26/2012 7:27 PM, djdewey@... wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I was perusing the American Flyer Displays site, and noticed that the
> > 28190 display (for a figure 8 w/ trestle set) is listed as having, "with
> > trains and track securely fastened to prevent pilferage." Now I know
> > there
> > was a variation on the Pacific locomotive with a threaded hole in the
> > chassis used to mount it to a display board. How were the cars "securely
> > fastened"? Does anyone know?
> > S'
> > David D.
> >
> >
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69068 From: Brady Burdge Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: S scale and or S Hirail trains
If you like hand-held throttles but don't want to pursue Command
Control there are a few options:


Lionel CAB-1/PowerMaster
The Lionel setup will allow you to use an existing transformer. The
CAB-1's may be out of production but they were in production for about
15 years so they're around

MTH Z-4000 Transformer with Z-4000 Remote
The MTH Z-4000 is pricey but it's a top of the line transformer. The
Z-4000 remote is my favorite of all

MTH DCS system
Probably an expensive way to get a remote throttle (lots of buttons
you'll never use) but it is an option

All-Trol throttle (corded throttle, no longer in production)
A very nice product, requires a transformer

Dallee Hostler (corded throttle, no longer in production)
I've never used this one, but they're out there

Lionel's Legacy system can get the job done, but it's overkill for
conventional


Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 69069 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube
S-Helper track. 


We started with Tom's Turnouts, but have had problems running scale wheels through them, so we've switched to jig-laid closed-frog turnouts on the outer main and they're working much better for us; only the Big Boy and Challenger have had problems.  The brand name escapes me at the moment.  The inner main still uses Tom's.




________________________________
From: "alansherry@..." <alansherry@...>
To: theupstairstrain@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:04 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube


Hello Robert,
 
The layout looks great on You Tube.  I am sure you have said before, but what brand of track are you folks using on the layout?
 
Thanks,
 
Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69070 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Extra Cymbals
From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas

I may have found out why my post's have the extra cymbals. I did not have number lock button puhed to show the green light. The green light is now on. Let's se what happens because I am not adding anything to this message. But like was blown out off cotext that is a yahoo server problem, not me
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69071 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Extra Cymbals
From: Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth, Texas
 
Moderator  who ever you are,
it took some time but I figured it out.But it can still be a yahoo server problem as well. I have noticed these extra cymbals on  alot more post's than just mine.
� Thanks,
� Alan

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From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:39 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Extra Cymbals



 

From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas

I may have found out why my post's have the extra cymbals. I did not have number lock button puhed to show the green light. The green light is now on. Let's se what happens because I am not adding anything to this message. But like was blown out off cotext that is a yahoo server problem, not me
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69072 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel New track- Are turnouts for high rail only ???
----- Original Message -----
From: tennsgauge@...
. . . . . . . . Are the [Lionel] turnouts intended only for high rail? My
assumption has been yes.. . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
The pictures in their new "American Flyer" catatlog show the type that would
work with only one type of wheelset - highrail. They are designed on the
same principal as real turnouts, with the points moving only, not the entire
closure rail assembly. They have open frogs. Wheelset back-to-back and
"checkgauge" will be critical. It will be interesting to see how they work
out.
< < < < < < < < < < < < <
But now I am asking since Lionel is entering the scale side of the market
too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
Few if any scale operators would design a railroad with such sharp curves.
Lionel's turnouts and curved sectional track appear to of about the same
curvature (or radius) as our old AF track.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 69073 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Extra Cymbals
FromAlan Lambert
Why does it happen only on ths list. I have not seen the problem on any of my other lists


________________________________
From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Extra Cymbals



 

From: Alan Lambert
  Fort Worth, Texas
 
Moderator  who ever you are,
it took some time but I figured it out.But it can still be a yahoo server problem as well. I have noticed these extra cymbals on  alot more post's than just mine.
  Thanks,
  Alan

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From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:39 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Extra Cymbals


 

From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas

I may have found out why my post's have the extra cymbals. I did not have number lock button puhed to show the green light. The green light is now on. Let's se what happens because I am not adding anything to this message. But like was blown out off cotext that is a yahoo server problem, not me
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69074 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Extra Cymbals
Alan,

I don't know why either but this message was clean again with no extra symbols.

It is not that big of a deal. It happens, forget it. Move on to things that are fun.

Carl





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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Alan Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Extra Cymbals



FromAlan Lambert
Why does it happen only on ths list. I have not seen the problem on any of my other lists


________________________________
From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Extra Cymbals




From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas
Â
Moderator who ever you are,
it took some time but I figured it out.But it can still be a yahoo server problem as well. I have noticed these extra cymbals on alot more post's than just mine.
Thanks,
Alan

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From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:39 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Extra Cymbals

Â

From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas

I may have found out why my post's have the extra cymbals. I did not have number lock button puhed to show the green light. The green light is now on. Let's se what happens because I am not adding anything to this message. But like was blown out off cotext that is a yahoo server problem, not me
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69075 From: Dennis Back Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Extra Cymbals
>>>FromAlan Lambert

Why does it happen only on ths list. I have not seen the problem on any of my other lists

--------------

Alan,

It's none of my business, but maybe you just shouldn't worry about it anymore.

And BTW, if anyone DOES have any extra cymbals I could use a couple of Zildjians.

:-)

Dennis
So. FL.




















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Group: S-Trains Message: 69076 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: Extra Cymbals
I think each yahoo group can choose several options though I do not know
what they are. But my text gets converted much more on S-trains than it
does on S-scale. Its easy to notice the difference if you post the same
message on both lists.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 3/27/2012 9:53:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
alanlambert64@... writes:




FromAlan Lambert
Why does it happen only on ths list. I have not seen the problem on any of
my other lists


________________________________
From: Alan Lambert <_alanlambert64@..._
(mailto:alanlambert64@...) >
To: "_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) "
<_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) >
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Extra Cymbals




From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas
Â
Moderator who ever you are,
it took some time but I figured it out.But it can still be a yahoo server
problem as well. I have noticed these extra cymbals on alot more post's
than just mine.
Thanks,
Alan

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Note From moderator:
It's baaaack?

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From: Alan Lambert <_alanlambert64@..._
(mailto:alanlambert64@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:39 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Extra Cymbals

Â

From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas

I may have found out why my post's have the extra cymbals. I did not have
number lock button puhed to show the green light. The green light is now
on. Let's se what happens because I am not adding anything to this message.
But like was blown out off cotext that is a yahoo server problem, not me
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69077 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: Extra Cymbals
From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas

Dennis,
�I'm not going to worry about it. They pop up only ocationaly not every time I post, So like I said along time ago.It has to do with Yahoo.
Thanks,
Alan 


________________________________
From: Dennis Back <backden@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Extra Cymbals



 

>>>FromAlan Lambert

Why does it happen only on ths list. I have not seen the problem on any of my other lists

--------------

Alan,

It's none of my business, but maybe you just shouldn't worry about it anymore.

And BTW, if anyone DOES have any extra cymbals I could use a couple of Zildjians.

:-)

Dennis
So. FL.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69078 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
I would think you would still call it American Flyer. That is what Lionel Calls it. It Was called American Flyer when it was made before Gilbert Owned it, called American Flyer When Gilbert bought it and still should be called American Flyer now that it is made by Lionel.
A good example is when Chrysler bought AMC . Jeeps are still called jeeps today even though not made by American Motors. Just my opinion. Sure hope it brings up some good discussion and no flaming.
Would like to see a discussion maybe about the different controls for American Flyer and the differences. I hear of TMCC now as well as the Legacy Controller. Currently Im running Straight DC can motor from Timko.
Might go to S-Spree Stumpy if I can walk. Having Surgery on my feet tomorrow. Hope to see you there if I go. Chris
Group: S-Trains Message: 69079 From: Obie Bell Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: [S-List] What To Call Lionel American Flyer
From: bellokdaka@...
To: lionel-flyer@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Lionel-Flyer] What To Call Lionel American Flyer
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:17:54 -0500







Chris I agree but these little names do help to determine era of production. I might sometimes use Flyonel and even sub divide that category and use the term China Flyer to note an item made after the shift of production there. These to me are all sub-titles to note differences in owner and place of production, but I do consider them all American Flyer. Call them anything you like, but please don't call them Lionel.Obie




















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Group: S-Trains Message: 69080 From: Frank Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
Good point on American Flyer.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2012, at 7:53 AM, "Chrisandmhel Burger" <chrisandmhelburger@...> wrote:

> I would think you would still call it American Flyer. That is what Lionel Calls it. It Was called American Flyer when it was made before Gilbert Owned it, called American Flyer When Gilbert bought it and still should be called American Flyer now that it is made by Lionel.
> A good example is when Chrysler bought AMC . Jeeps are still called jeeps today even though not made by American Motors. Just my opinion. Sure hope it brings up some good discussion and no flaming.
> Would like to see a discussion maybe about the different controls for American Flyer and the differences. I hear of TMCC now as well as the Legacy Controller. Currently Im running Straight DC can motor from Timko.
> Might go to S-Spree Stumpy if I can walk. Having Surgery on my feet tomorrow. Hope to see you there if I go. Chris
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69081 From: R G Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
You make valid points.  However just as the O-guagers  refer to Lionel as postwar, MPC  era, etc it is helpful to refer to American Flyer as "Chicago Flyer, AC Gilbert or Lionel eras. The Lionel trains today is not the same company that competed with AC Gilbert.  That company went bankrupt in 1967 a year after AC Gilbert did.  It's all American Flyer to me just different eras since different companies are manufacturing it. I may also go to the S-Spree since my wife has relatives living in Dayton we can visit also.



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From: Chrisandmhel Burger <chrisandmhelburger@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:53 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] What to call The new American Flyer Trains


 
I would think you would still call it American Flyer. That is what Lionel Calls it. It Was called American Flyer when it was made before Gilbert Owned it, called American Flyer When Gilbert bought it and still should be called American Flyer now that it is made by Lionel.
A good example is when Chrysler bought AMC . Jeeps are still called jeeps today even though not made by American Motors. Just my opinion. Sure hope it brings up some good discussion and no flaming.
Would like to see a discussion maybe about the different controls for American Flyer and the differences. I hear of TMCC now as well as the Legacy Controller. Currently Im running Straight DC can motor from Timko.
Might go to S-Spree Stumpy if I can walk. Having Surgery on my feet tomorrow. Hope to see you there if I go. Chris




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69082 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
I think you have it right Chris. The brand name is property that can be
bought, sold, traded and given away. My problem with it is that I have
an emotional attachment to my first train (early 1950's American Flyer)
and that attachment has spread backwards in time to the Chicago branch
O-Gauge and to the pre-war O-Gauge, S-Size Flyer. Newer stuff, not so
much and I have no reason why - it is just an emotional attachment.

You guys have fun at the Spree.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 3/28/2012 7:53 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger wrote:
> I would think you would still call it American Flyer. That is what Lionel Calls it. It Was called American Flyer when it was made before Gilbert Owned it, called American Flyer When Gilbert bought it and still should be called American Flyer now that it is made by Lionel.
> A good example is when Chrysler bought AMC . Jeeps are still called jeeps today even though not made by American Motors. Just my opinion. Sure hope it brings up some good discussion and no flaming.
> Would like to see a discussion maybe about the different controls for American Flyer and the differences. I hear of TMCC now as well as the Legacy Controller. Currently Im running Straight DC can motor from Timko.
> Might go to S-Spree Stumpy if I can walk. Having Surgery on my feet tomorrow. Hope to see you there if I go. Chris
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69083 From: Roy Inman Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
I can see the logic in referring to the particular AF era when talking about
an electrical/mechanical/coupler problem. As we all know, Gilbert couplers
are different from the ones that Lionel is now using. And then there were
the link couplers.

Roy



From: Frank <femiro2002@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:41:50 -0400
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What to call The new American Flyer Trains






Good point on American Flyer.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2012, at 7:53 AM, "Chrisandmhel Burger"
<chrisandmhelburger@... <mailto:chrisandmhelburger%40yahoo.com> >
wrote:

> I would think you would still call it American Flyer. That is what Lionel
Calls it. It Was called American Flyer when it was made before Gilbert Owned it,
called American Flyer When Gilbert bought it and still should be called American
Flyer now that it is made by Lionel.
> A good example is when Chrysler bought AMC . Jeeps are still called jeeps
today even though not made by American Motors. Just my opinion. Sure hope it
brings up some good discussion and no flaming.
> Would like to see a discussion maybe about the different controls for American
Flyer and the differences. I hear of TMCC now as well as the Legacy Controller.
Currently Im running Straight DC can motor from Timko.
> Might go to S-Spree Stumpy if I can walk. Having Surgery on my feet tomorrow.
Hope to see you there if I go. Chris
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69084 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Dayton Spring S Spree
As Jerry points out, there are usually folks around my layout shooting the bull or having a few laughs. Everyone is welcome. The latest layout is under construction, will be running, but probably won't be finished. I'll be operating some of my kit bashed and scratch built equipment as usual.
This year I'll be using LBR's Smoke Cloud smoke fluid, and it IS appropriately named!
Yes, I got talked into doing a clinc/discussion of kit bashing and scratch building with Paul Rinehart. This is my first clinc, so it should be a disorganized disaster. :-)
And finally, I need to sell some train stuff, so there will be a table to "thin the herd" again this year.
It's a good show to renew old friendships and begin new ones, Cindy and I really enjoy the Sprees. Hope to see you there.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69085 From: Paul Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree
*BLATANT PLUG:*

*Yeah, like I had to twist Stumpy's arm real hard. we have yet to meet
formally, but have
traded many great e-mails. as clinic coordinator for the Spree I needed
lots of help, being a
first timer. yes I did kind of volunteer so I could expand my group of
"S" friends and put
faces to some names from this group. thanks goes to MVSG members who
have helped find
prospective clinicians, but Stumpy is the one who made me promise set up
airport style security.
I will be on the lookout for any concealed oxy-acetylene torches and
life sized voo doo dolls.
come join us if you can May 4 & 5th. be prepared, we need participation
and input, no way I
am allowing a disorganized disaster. besides, every body will need a
chair to rest in after
walking the vendor area, recoup and go shop some more. no napping
allowed. paul

*On 3/28/2012 2:11 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
>
>
> <snip> Yes, I got talked into doing a clinc/discussion of kit bashing
> and scratch building with Paul Rinehart. This is my first clinc, so
> it should be a disorganized disaster.
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69086 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree
Hi All,

Roundtrip Airfare: Houston - Dayton = $558

Hotel = $125

Rental Car = $100

Food = $100

Entrance Fee = ??

So do I spend over $900 to get to the Spree and have nothing left to buy anything or stay home and shop on eBay???? Sounds like an easy decision to me! Seriously I sure wish we had similar shows down here.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69087 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree
I made the trip a few years back and stopped to see family on the way
home. Figured the cost was fro the kin and the trains were gravy. It is
a good show where it is not necessary to ask anyone "What scale are your
trains?"

I figure to go back one of these years.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us
Group: S-Trains Message: 69088 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree (or save for the Choo Choo)
This is an easy decision. Stay home for the Spree and save your money for
the NASG Convention in Chattanooga. No comparison really. Plus you get
to ride on the TVRM excursion and visit friends you made while you lived in
Georgia.

See ya at the Choo Choo!

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 3/28/2012 4:12:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
bull_gator_1@... writes:




Hi All,

Roundtrip Airfare: Houston - Dayton = $558

Hotel = $125

Rental Car = $100

Food = $100

Entrance Fee = ??

So do I spend over $900 to get to the Spree and have nothing left to buy
anything or stay home and shop on eBay???? Sounds like an easy decision to
me! Seriously I sure wish we had similar shows down here.

David






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69089 From: johntech Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree
Hi Terry

Any sneak peek as to what will be on your "auction block" table at the Spree?

Hope to see and meet you there! I'll try and remember to bring my mini Baldwin for show and tell

John Frankforther


----- Original Message -----
From: mrstumpy50
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:11 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Dayton Spring S Spree



As Jerry points out, there are usually folks around my layout shooting the bull or having a few laughs. Everyone is welcome. The latest layout is under construction, will be running, but probably won't be finished. I'll be operating some of my kit bashed and scratch built equipment as usual.
This year I'll be using LBR's Smoke Cloud smoke fluid, and it IS appropriately named!
Yes, I got talked into doing a clinc/discussion of kit bashing and scratch building with Paul Rinehart. This is my first clinc, so it should be a disorganized disaster. :-)
And finally, I need to sell some train stuff, so there will be a table to "thin the herd" again this year.
It's a good show to renew old friendships and begin new ones, Cindy and I really enjoy the Sprees. Hope to see you there.
Stumpy in Ahia





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69090 From: fyrrfytr49 Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: ESTATE SALE..> ATTENTION all RIVIT Counters
I am helping a family with a Gigantic task...This gentelman (a Dr.)who was 97 has passed, he has since the mid 40s built an S scale layout in the house which is about to be sold ..It Is Modeled after CP & CN and a lot of fallen Flags....It envelopes the entire basement...all brass track on individual wood ties..Unfortunatly this layout will be totally distroyed since there is no way to preserve it since it is all plaster and built to all the walls....not sections...there are tressels everywhere..looking at it its like standing in the canyon and watching the trains going through the canyons..(in CANADA)..its all S Scale engines and cars..many wood and lots of Brass as well as billboard boxcars,Passenger coaches and Flyer convertions....I will be offering all to this our group first..Some brass engines are new in box from the 70s..He also has every Model Railroader magazine from 1946 to 70s in Book bound books..any Interest.??...let me know ...send Ph#s with your replies....Pics and numbers of cars etc to follow....THANX Eh......Edward
Group: S-Trains Message: 69091 From: Raul Catta Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: I need some advice about the storage of AF tracks
Hi, I have several AF tracks in different conditions, some without rust, some with light rust and others rusted. I separated the different kinds and tied the tracks in groups of about 20 with a cotton string.
Should I storage them in plastic bags or wrapped in paper or just in boxes without wrap?

Should I spray them with W40 or some kind of oil?

Thanks in advance for the advice you can give me

Raul Catta

Buenos Aires

Argentina


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69092 From: Larry Asp Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: ESTATE SALE..> ATTENTION all RIVIT Counters
What state or province are you in Edward?

On 2012-03-28, at 10:15 PM, fyrrfytr49 wrote:

> I am helping a family with a Gigantic task...This gentelman (a Dr.)who was 97 has passed, he has since the mid 40s built an S scale layout in the house which is about to be sold ..It Is Modeled after CP & CN and a lot of fallen Flags....It envelopes the entire basement...all brass track on individual wood ties..Unfortunatly this layout will be totally distroyed since there is no way to preserve it since it is all plaster and built to all the walls....not sections...there are tressels everywhere..looking at it its like standing in the canyon and watching the trains going through the canyons..(in CANADA)..its all S Scale engines and cars..many wood and lots of Brass as well as billboard boxcars,Passenger coaches and Flyer convertions....I will be offering all to this our group first..Some brass engines are new in box from the 70s..He also has every Model Railroader magazine from 1946 to 70s in Book bound books..any Interest.??...let me know ...send Ph#s with your replies....Pics and numbers of cars etc to follow....THANX Eh......Edward
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69093 From: fyrrfytr49 Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: ESTATE SALE..> ATTENTION all RIVIT Counters
More info.....I have been asked about makes....There are cars from ShS cars from American Models and cars from AF converted...all have scale wheelsets and KD couplers...there are many wooden kit cars in original boxes and boxes of scale wheeel sets.....there are Lots of diesels and pass coaches many brass units built and unbuilt some bodys of these units weigh several pounds I dont know how they can run they are so heavy.. I will be posting a list here and will also have pics so that you can make your bids and or offers.....I have in my possesion an AF 332 or 336 UP 4884 that has been converted to all scale wheels I have seen this unit working ...(More to follow)....Edward
Group: S-Trains Message: 69094 From: fyrrfytr49 Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: ESTATE SALE..> ATTENTION all RIVIT Counters
BC.......
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> wrote:
>
> What state or province are you in Edward?
>
> On 2012-03-28, at 10:15 PM, fyrrfytr49 wrote:
>
> > I am helping a family with a Gigantic task...This gentelman (a Dr.)who was 97 has passed, he has since the mid 40s built an S scale layout in the house which is about to be sold ..It Is Modeled after CP & CN and a lot of fallen Flags....It envelopes the entire basement...all brass track on individual wood ties..Unfortunatly this layout will be totally distroyed since there is no way to preserve it since it is all plaster and built to all the walls....not sections...there are tressels everywhere..looking at it its like standing in the canyon and watching the trains going through the canyons..(in CANADA)..its all S Scale engines and cars..many wood and lots of Brass as well as billboard boxcars,Passenger coaches and Flyer convertions....I will be offering all to this our group first..Some brass engines are new in box from the 70s..He also has every Model Railroader magazine from 1946 to 70s in Book bound books..any Interest.??...let me know ...send Ph#s with your replies....Pics and numbers of cars etc to follow....THANX Eh......Edward
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Enjoy thousands of great photos
> > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69095 From: robert hendrickson Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: I need some advice about the storage of AF tracks
Raul, I would clean the rusty track to prevent further corrosion. Store them in an airtight container with a dessicant if possible. There are also some rust preventive cloth wraps made for storing firearms that would work too. WD-40 couldn't hurt either but I'm sure there will be other ideas.
 
Bob


________________________________
From: Raul Catta <rcatta@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] I need some advice about the storage of AF tracks


 
Hi, I have several AF tracks in different conditions, some without rust, some with light rust and others rusted. I separated the different kinds and tied the tracks in groups of about 20 with a cotton string.
Should I storage them in plastic bags or wrapped in paper or just in boxes without wrap?

Should I spray them with W40 or some kind of oil?

Thanks in advance for the advice you can give me

Raul Catta

Buenos Aires

Argentina

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69096 From: Larry Asp Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: ESTATE SALE..> ATTENTION all RIVIT Counters
Thanks Edward - Im in Ontario. I have relatives in BC who have been involved with S gauge, and I am a former member of the TTOS group that meets in Burnaby BC. That group has a number of members who are into AF an S - perhaps they could be of help to you with this.

On 2012-03-29, at 6:10 AM, fyrrfytr49 wrote:

> BC.......
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> wrote:
>>
>> What state or province are you in Edward?
>>
>> On 2012-03-28, at 10:15 PM, fyrrfytr49 wrote:
>>
>>> I am helping a family with a Gigantic task...This gentelman (a Dr.)who was 97 has passed, he has since the mid 40s built an S scale layout in the house which is about to be sold ..It Is Modeled after CP & CN and a lot of fallen Flags....It envelopes the entire basement...all brass track on individual wood ties..Unfortunatly this layout will be totally distroyed since there is no way to preserve it since it is all plaster and built to all the walls....not sections...there are tressels everywhere..looking at it its like standing in the canyon and watching the trains going through the canyons..(in CANADA)..its all S Scale engines and cars..many wood and lots of Brass as well as billboard boxcars,Passenger coaches and Flyer convertions....I will be offering all to this our group first..Some brass engines are new in box from the 70s..He also has every Model Railroader magazine from 1946 to 70s in Book bound books..any Interest.??...let me know ...send Ph#s with your replies....Pics and numbers of cars etc to follow....THANX Eh......Edward
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Enjoy thousands of great photos
>>> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69097 From: David Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: BAKER'S CHOCOLATE Reefer Decal Set (NEW), Advertisement
After about two hundred requests from modelers in and around
Massachusetts we have added a NEW SET OF BAKER'S CHOCOLATE 40'
REFRIGERATOR CAR DECALS to our web site at

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html>

in the refrigerator car section. This decal set is branded for the OC&FR
(Old Colony & Falls River RR). This set also mentiones the WALTER BAKER
& CO., LTD. and the city of Dorchester, Mass.

This set of decals is sure to be a favorite of the area and nationally
for obvious reasons.

PRICE per set (includes shipping in CONUS) $14.50

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS & REQUESTS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/>

lbrenterprisesllc@...
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/post?postID=UBSrQjgT8yvo\
vKzkcDc1Hf-iklXy1NC59Py-_1MZvToN4FYuh2uL4w0kMidaYGTKjlI7irpIwmrIIgJHkwQE\
KNAk>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69098 From: Louis Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Design Question
I want to add filtered DC to my AC transformers. I plan on running my older engines on straight DC. What size capacitor is needed for the filter for a 300 watt transformer?

Thanks,
Lou Baldi
Group: S-Trains Message: 69099 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Lets Go to the SPREE - Dayton Spring S Spree
I want to apologize for the posting that I sent earlier. I should not be
lobbying for one S event over another. My enthusiasm for the NASG
Convention maybe is a little over the top.

The ideal thing is for as many as possible to be able to attend both the S
SPRING SPREE and the NASG Convention, plus all the other S events that we
are able to attend.

The Spring Sprees are a long way from where I live in Tennessee, but I have
attended a couple of them and had great times. I actually attended the
very first S Spree in Cleveland in the mid-1980s. One of the things that
made a great impact was how friendly everyone was. And the event was so well
organized, including clinics, layout tours, huge modular layouts, etc.
This was the first time I saw scale wheelsets and KD couplers and scale-speed
operation of multi-diesel lashups with DC power. I had a great time at
this Spree plus one of the NASG Conventions that Cleveland hosted in 1992.

I also attended one of the Sprees in Columbus. It was another great
event.

If I could fit it in my budget and my schedule, I would be there every
year. Unfortunately, the first weekend of May always seems to involve
scheduling conflicts. This year it is regional dance competitions in Atlanta
involving my wife's granddaughter, a wedding of close family friends, and two
other events that I am expected to attend. I am not sure where I will be
(leaving it up to the BOSS), but I wish I could be at the Spree.

In conclusion, I hope as many as possible will attend the S SPREE and that
you have such a great time with the S scale camraderie that you will want
to make plans to attend the NASG at the Choo Choo.

- Earl Henry, Nashville




____________________________________
From: Tennsgauge@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 3/28/2012 4:46:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time
Subj: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Dayton Spring S Spree (or save for the Choo Choo)


This is an easy decision. Stay home for the Spree and save your money for
the NASG Convention in Chattanooga. No comparison really. Plus you get
to ride on the TVRM excursion and visit friends you made while you lived in
Georgia.

See ya at the Choo Choo!

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 3/28/2012 4:12:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
bull_gator_1@... writes:




Hi All,

Roundtrip Airfare: Houston - Dayton = $558

Hotel = $125

Rental Car = $100

Food = $100

Entrance Fee = ??

So do I spend over $900 to get to the Spree and have nothing left to buy
anything or stay home and shop on eBay???? Sounds like an easy decision to
me! Seriously I sure wish we had similar shows down here.

David








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Group: S-Trains Message: 69100 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: Design Question
Hi Lou,

I would use something in the 2000 mfd to 4000 mfd range with a 50 volt
rating.

You can use two smaller ones in parallel if you wish, but they must both
be the 50 volt rating. Usually I poke around in my scrap parts boxes to
find what I want. That is why there is a range in my recommendation.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 3/29/2012 11:53 AM, Louis wrote:
> I want to add filtered DC to my AC transformers. I plan on running my older engines on straight DC. What size capacitor is needed for the filter for a 300 watt transformer?
>
> Thanks,
> Lou Baldi
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69101 From: Randy Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
American Flyer is American Flyer no matter who builds it or where it's built. The owner and the place it's built is a moving target and will remain so (hopefully far) into the future. I like the new engines like the Big Boy and the Challengers. That's a new direction and it's good to push new blood into the product like (albeit expensive new blood!).

BTW: Jeep was first built by Willys-Overland in 1941, then by Willys Motors starting in 1953 (after the merger of the nearly bankrupt W-O and Kaiser Motors); then by Kaiser Jeep Corporation starting in 1963, then AMC when they bought Kaiser Jeep in 1970 and finally Chrysler in 1987. Jeep is still Jeep, though.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> I think you have it right Chris. The brand name is property that can be
> bought, sold, traded and given away. My problem with it is that I have
> an emotional attachment to my first train (early 1950's American Flyer)
> and that attachment has spread backwards in time to the Chicago branch
> O-Gauge and to the pre-war O-Gauge, S-Size Flyer. Newer stuff, not so
> much and I have no reason why - it is just an emotional attachment.
>
> You guys have fun at the Spree.
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
> wpporter.duckburg.us
>
>
> On 3/28/2012 7:53 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger wrote:
> > I would think you would still call it American Flyer. That is what Lionel Calls it. It Was called American Flyer when it was made before Gilbert Owned it, called American Flyer When Gilbert bought it and still should be called American Flyer now that it is made by Lionel.
> > A good example is when Chrysler bought AMC . Jeeps are still called jeeps today even though not made by American Motors. Just my opinion. Sure hope it brings up some good discussion and no flaming.
> > Would like to see a discussion maybe about the different controls for American Flyer and the differences. I hear of TMCC now as well as the Legacy Controller. Currently Im running Straight DC can motor from Timko.
> > Might go to S-Spree Stumpy if I can walk. Having Surgery on my feet tomorrow. Hope to see you there if I go. Chris
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69102 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
I agree with Lionel keeping the "American Flyer" brand on the new stuff.
But I suggest they differentiate between the old stuff and the new. I
define the old stuff as being the locos and rolling stock that are
reproductions of Gilbert stuff with minimal improvements or enhancements. This would
include all the streamlined passenger trains, freight cars, and diesels
prior to the SD70s (or whatever that new thing is).

I would suggest something like "American Flyer Classics" for the old stuff.

I would suggest something like "American Flyer Deluxe" for the improved
product line, including all the steamers with the expensive electronics.

I am sure that marketing people can improve upon my choice of marketing
terms.

There is such a huge difference in the quality and cost of the old vs the
new that I think some differentiation is needed.

I am not a likely customer for much of the old or new. I simply have most
of what I want already. And I am not into modern diesels at all. But I
am interested in what Lionel is doing and hope they are successful in
marketing their new stuff and growing the number of modelers in all phases of S.

- Earl Henry




In a message dated 3/29/2012 12:52:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
randy@... writes:





American Flyer is American Flyer no matter who builds it or where it's
built. The owner and the place it's built is a moving target and will remain
so (hopefully far) into the future. I like the new engines like the Big Boy
and the Challengers. That's a new direction and it's good to push new blood
into the product like (albeit expensive new blood!).

BTW: Jeep was first built by Willys-Overland in 1941, then by Willys
Motors starting in 1953 (after the merger of the nearly bankrupt W-O and Kaiser
Motors); then by Kaiser Jeep Corporation starting in 1963, then AMC when
they bought Kaiser Jeep in 1970 and finally Chrysler in 1987. Jeep is still
Jeep, though.

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Bill
Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> I think you have it right Chris. The brand name is property that can be
> bought, sold, traded and given away. My problem with it is that I have
> an emotional attachment to my first train (early 1950's American Flyer)
> and that attachment has spread backwards in time to the Chicago branch
> O-Gauge and to the pre-war O-Gauge, S-Size Flyer. Newer stuff, not so
> much and I have no reason why - it is just an emotional attachment.
>
> You guys have fun at the Spree.
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
> wpporter.duckburg.us
>
>
> On 3/28/2012 7:53 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger wrote:
> > I would think you would still call it American Flyer. That is what
Lionel Calls it. It Was called American Flyer when it was made before Gilbert
Owned it, called American Flyer When Gilbert bought it and still should be
called American Flyer now that it is made by Lionel.
> > A good example is when Chrysler bought AMC . Jeeps are still called
jeeps today even though not made by American Motors. Just my opinion. Sure
hope it brings up some good discussion and no flaming.
> > Would like to see a discussion maybe about the different controls for
American Flyer and the differences. I hear of TMCC now as well as the
Legacy Controller. Currently Im running Straight DC can motor from Timko.
> > Might go to S-Spree Stumpy if I can walk. Having Surgery on my feet
tomorrow. Hope to see you there if I go. Chris
> >
> >
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69103 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree
To anyone in the know....


So what's the deal with the Dayton Spring Spree? I can find little to no information on line except for the dates. Can someone point me to a site that lists the schedule, or can someone post a schedule here?


Mark Anderman

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69104 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree
Try this link for information about the SPREE.

_http://www.trainweb.org/mvsg/Spree12/spree12.html_
(http://www.trainweb.org/mvsg/Spree12/spree12.html)

- Earl Henry, Nashville



In a message dated 3/29/2012 1:27:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
Manderman@... writes:




To anyone in the know....

So what's the deal with the Dayton Spring Spree? I can find little to no
information on line except for the dates. Can someone point me to a site
that lists the schedule, or can someone post a schedule here?

Mark Anderman

----- Original Message -----

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69105 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree
It is also in the "calendars" in both S Gaugian magazine and the NASG Dispatch, both which do articles on it every year as well.
Like Earl, I look forward to this event for similar reasons, I just don't have the money to go to all the events I'd like to. Therefore, the Spree is the only S only event I can attend.
So far, we've missed only one since we started attending them, two years ago due to Cindy's Cancer issues.
Earl is also right about it being a friendly show. Many of the people we see there only once a year, but it's often like we'd never been away. Maybe that's the advantage of having S only shows across the country, you have time to "visit" with everyone.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69106 From: Paul Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: Dayton Spring S Spree
Mark,
I am sure you are looking at
http://www.trainweb.org/mvsg/Spree12/spree12.html
opening and closing schedules are fixed. only a couple of more details to
get settled and everything should be published. I am sure Tom Hartrum our
Spree registrar is pulling his hair waiting for final decisions and
hopefully
can get them out real soon since we are only 5 weeks away. I will share
that
from the last meeting, registrations and vendor table requests seem to be
on track or even ahead of the same time period from 2008. I may be
overstepping
my lack of authority to let this out, but it is looking like a strong
turnout with
plenty of vendors, sharing, fun, food, and camaraderie. paul rinehart


On 3/29/2012 2:18 PM, Manderman@... wrote:
>
> To anyone in the know....
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69107 From: Robert Conner Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: MOTELS
GUYS AND GAL.... Any reccommendations for a nice motel in York for the April meet.... Thinking of going.... But bringing one of my GF's and she did not like the old Billy Bud last Oct... But I need to watch price.... Don't mind even Harrisburg as she has a daughter there... Bob Conner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69108 From: Ted Walton Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Engine problem AF 308
Problem with American Flyer308. The armature appears to bind up in
the Magnet assy(?). With the engine out of its shell and the brush
bracket(holder) assy. removed, all the wheels, gears, and
piston-lever-worm gear move very freely with no binding when I rotate
the armature with my fingers. When I reconnect the brush holder
assy, with and without the brushes and brush springs , the motor
locks up on trying to rotate the armature with my fingers. It appears
to rotate freely 180 degrees, more or less, before binding up where
I have to take a small screwdriver to push it with moderate force to
move it past this binding area and then it rotates freely until it
again reaches this same area.

All gear teeth appear to be in reasonable good shape The e-switch
also appears to work ok On applying power, the motor will not run.
Power is getting to the engine.

I get the emails in digest format ( only get the emails in one big
email once a day) so it may take a day or two to respond to any
questions or suggestions, Thanks for any help.

Ted Walton
Group: S-Trains Message: 69109 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: MOTELS
Last year I stayed about 20 minutes west at a HIE in Hampton. It was
good, the roads were easy and they had breakfast. When I go again I will
consider it.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 3/29/2012 5:16 PM, Robert Conner wrote:
> GUYS AND GAL.... Any reccommendations for a nice motel in York for the April meet.... Thinking of going.... But bringing one of my GF's and she did not like the old Billy Bud last Oct... But I need to watch price.... Don't mind even Harrisburg as she has a daughter there... Bob Conner
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69110 From: Brady Burdge Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: NKP (NS) Heritage Diesel
Group: S-Trains Message: 69111 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: MOTELS
Oops - might have been Hanover - one of those H's in Pa.

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 3/29/2012 7:14 PM, Bill Porter wrote:
> Last year I stayed about 20 minutes west at a HIE in Hampton. It was
> good, the roads were easy and they had breakfast. When I go again I will
> consider it.
>
> Bill
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69112 From: Larry Moore Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
Ted, If everything seems to work free with the motor apart, check the
bushing that is in the brush cap. With the brush cap off and the armature
out, put the end of the armature in the bushing, to see if it is free. I
have actually worked on a couple of units , where the bushing was loose and
turning in the brush cap. Hope this helps, Good Luck, Larry



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ted Walton
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:37 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Engine problem AF 308





Problem with American Flyer308. The armature appears to bind up in
the Magnet assy(?). With the engine out of its shell and the brush
bracket(holder) assy. removed, all the wheels, gears, and
piston-lever-worm gear move very freely with no binding when I rotate
the armature with my fingers. When I reconnect the brush holder
assy, with and without the brushes and brush springs , the motor
locks up on trying to rotate the armature with my fingers. It appears
to rotate freely 180 degrees, more or less, before binding up where
I have to take a small screwdriver to push it with moderate force to
move it past this binding area and then it rotates freely until it
again reaches this same area.

All gear teeth appear to be in reasonable good shape The e-switch
also appears to work ok On applying power, the motor will not run.
Power is getting to the engine.

I get the emails in digest format ( only get the emails in one big
email once a day) so it may take a day or two to respond to any
questions or suggestions, Thanks for any help.

Ted Walton





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69113 From: alansherry@comcast.net Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: MOTELS
Hello Robert,

 

I would not be afraid to try Harrisburg.  I stayed at the downtown Hilton in Harrisburg when I went to York in April of 2008 (My one and only time at York so far.).  The drive from Harrisburg to York was pretty easy, and Harrisburg has a lot going on.  The Hilton, of course, is not super cheap, but we use Hiltons a lot, so I knew what to expect, and it was located right in the center of town within walking distance of the Capitol, restaurants and the Susquehanna River.

 

Since I was driving a rental car to and from York anyway, I had no qualms about driving up to the TCA Museum, etc while in the area.  Don't miss the National Civil War Museum in Harrisburg if that sort of thing interests you.  


If I go to York again, I will likely stay in Harrisburg again.

 

Cheers!

 

Alan Bennett

Keizer, OR

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69114 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
From: Alan Lambert
 
Ted,
My guss would be to check the armature bushings. they can cause that binding, but thats my guess. My K325 has yet to have that problem snce I had it Lubed and checked out after I found my set up in the attic down here in Fort Worth, Texas. I ha hooked up my track and transformer ad tried to run it but it would not move. The gearboxgrease was hard as a rock. It now runs good as new.
Thanks,
� Alan


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From: Ted Walton <trwalton@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:37 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Engine problem AF 308



 

Problem with American Flyer308. The armature appears to bind up in
the Magnet assy(?). With the engine out of its shell and the brush
bracket(holder) assy. removed, all the wheels, gears, and
piston-lever-worm gear move very freely with no binding when I rotate
the armature with my fingers. When I reconnect the brush holder
assy, with and without the brushes and brush springs , the motor
locks up on trying to rotate the armature with my fingers. It appears
to rotate freely 180 degrees, more or less, before binding up where
I have to take a small screwdriver to push it with moderate force to
move it past this binding area and then it rotates freely until it
again reaches this same area.

All gear teeth appear to be in reasonable good shape The e-switch
also appears to work ok On applying power, the motor will not run.
Power is getting to the engine.

I get the emails in digest format ( only get the emails in one big
email once a day) so it may take a day or two to respond to any
questions or suggestions, Thanks for any help.

Ted Walton




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69115 From: johntech Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: NKP (NS) Heritage Diesel
Nice Pictures Brady!!

I would like to find some S decals of the first engine in this picture!!

I have a paint stripped 370 that would look real nice in those colors


http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=393468&nseq=5

John


----- Original Message -----
From: Brady Burdge
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 7:20 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] NKP (NS) Heritage Diesel




http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=393493&nseq=0

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=393441

Brady Burdge




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69116 From: clayton deich Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
How about China Flyer, or did some one say that?

 Clayton D.


________________________________
From: "tennsgauge@..." <tennsgauge@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: What to call The new American Flyer Trains


 
I agree with Lionel keeping the "American Flyer" brand on the new stuff.
But I suggest they differentiate between the old stuff and the new. I
define the old stuff as being the locos and rolling stock that are
reproductions of Gilbert stuff with minimal improvements or enhancements. This would
include all the streamlined passenger trains, freight cars, and diesels
prior to the SD70s (or whatever that new thing is).

I would suggest something like "American Flyer Classics" for the old stuff.

I would suggest something like "American Flyer Deluxe" for the improved
product line, including all the steamers with the expensive electronics.

I am sure that marketing people can improve upon my choice of marketing
terms.

There is such a huge difference in the quality and cost of the old vs the
new that I think some differentiation is needed.

I am not a likely customer for much of the old or new. I simply have most
of what I want already. And I am not into modern diesels at all. But I
am interested in what Lionel is doing and hope they are successful in
marketing their new stuff and growing the number of modelers in all phases of S.

- Earl Henry




In a message dated 3/29/2012 12:52:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
randy@... writes:

American Flyer is American Flyer no matter who builds it or where it's
built. The owner and the place it's built is a moving target and will remain
so (hopefully far) into the future. I like the new engines like the Big Boy
and the Challengers. That's a new direction and it's good to push new blood
into the product like (albeit expensive new blood!).

BTW: Jeep was first built by Willys-Overland in 1941, then by Willys
Motors starting in 1953 (after the merger of the nearly bankrupt W-O and Kaiser
Motors); then by Kaiser Jeep Corporation starting in 1963, then AMC when
they bought Kaiser Jeep in 1970 and finally Chrysler in 1987. Jeep is still
Jeep, though.

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Bill
Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> I think you have it right Chris. The brand name is property that can be
> bought, sold, traded and given away. My problem with it is that I have
> an emotional attachment to my first train (early 1950's American Flyer)
> and that attachment has spread backwards in time to the Chicago branch
> O-Gauge and to the pre-war O-Gauge, S-Size Flyer. Newer stuff, not so
> much and I have no reason why - it is just an emotional attachment.
>
> You guys have fun at the Spree.
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
> wpporter.duckburg.us
>
>
> On 3/28/2012 7:53 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger wrote:
> > I would think you would still call it American Flyer. That is what
Lionel Calls it. It Was called American Flyer when it was made before Gilbert
Owned it, called American Flyer When Gilbert bought it and still should be
called American Flyer now that it is made by Lionel.
> > A good example is when Chrysler bought AMC . Jeeps are still called
jeeps today even though not made by American Motors. Just my opinion. Sure
hope it brings up some good discussion and no flaming.
> > Would like to see a discussion maybe about the different controls for
American Flyer and the differences. I hear of TMCC now as well as the
Legacy Controller. Currently Im running Straight DC can motor from Timko.
> > Might go to S-Spree Stumpy if I can walk. Having Surgery on my feet
tomorrow. Hope to see you there if I go. Chris
> >
> >
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69117 From: Larry Moore Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Piedmont "S" Gaugers club
If I may, I would like to correct some misinformation, that was posted
earlier this week. The Piedmont "S" Gaugers club was formed by a group of
individuals that were members of the Atlantic Coast club. The statement that
was made earlier, indicated that we were strictly scale, and that we were
charging a membership fee. This information is not correct. We are just a
group of guys who enjoy getting together and have fun running trains. . Our
module layout is capable of running scale or high-rail, or original Flyer,
in AC or DC mode. We are running original Flyer, S-Helper, and American
Models, engines and rolling stock, depending on what an individual member
brings to the shows. We do not have any officers, nor do we have any rules
written in stone. We participate in approximately 8 shows a year, in the
Charlotte, Western North Carolina, Upstate South Carolina, and East Tenn.
Area. We have an open invitation to anybody, interested in S-Gauge to come
and be a part, of a great group. We are also members of NASG, and promote
membership, to this organization. Thank you, Larry Moore



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69118 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: Piedmont "S" Gaugers club
Larry, I have heard that the Piedmont S Gaugers will be setting up in
Chattanooga at the NASG convention. I hope that is correct.

- Earl Henry, Nashville



In a message dated 3/29/2012 8:05:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
mo2337@... writes:




If I may, I would like to correct some misinformation, that was posted
earlier this week. The Piedmont "S" Gaugers club was formed by a group of
individuals that were members of the Atlantic Coast club. The statement
that
was made earlier, indicated that we were strictly scale, and that we were
charging a membership fee. This information is not correct. We are just a
group of guys who enjoy getting together and have fun running trains. . Our
module layout is capable of running scale or high-rail, or original Flyer,
in AC or DC mode. We are running original Flyer, S-Helper, and American
Models, engines and rolling stock, depending on what an individual member
brings to the shows. We do not have any officers, nor do we have any rules
written in stone. We participate in approximately 8 shows a year, in the
Charlotte, Western North Carolina, Upstate South Carolina, and East Tenn.
Area. We have an open invitation to anybody, interested in S-Gauge to come
and be a part, of a great group. We are also members of NASG, and promote
membership, to this organization. Thank you, Larry Moore

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69119 From: acgilbertguy Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: Re: MOTELS
Stayed at the Comfort Inn and Suites on George Street in York last October. Not that far from all the activities, i.e. the firehouse shows, motel shows and the York fairgrounds. Very similar to a Holiday Inn Express. They show availability in April the week of the train shows. Senior rates per night $125 to $143. Regular rate a little higher. Free breakfast. If you stay there, try and get a room on the side away from the highway, which is noisy. Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> GUYS AND GAL.... Any reccommendations for a nice motel in York for the April meet.... Thinking of going.... But bringing one of my GF's and she did not like the old Billy Bud last Oct... But I need to watch price.... Don't mind even Harrisburg as she has a daughter there... Bob Conner
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69120 From: fyrrfytr49 Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: ESTATE SALE..> ATTENTION all RIVIT Counters
Made a typo....It should read...I have a AF 4-8-4- UP either a 332 336 unknown due to no#s ...redone DC with all scale wheels and drivers works....will have pics tomorrow...will pass on the best offer to the family ...any bids..???
Group: S-Trains Message: 69121 From: Lamont Heppe Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: What to call The new American Flyer Trains
As for the current production, a check of my catalog shows that Lionel divides the AF trains into "traditional Flyer" and "scale Flyer"

Monte Heppe
Group: S-Trains Message: 69122 From: texas0717 Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncouplers?
I use Popsicle sticks(after consuming the Popsicle of coures)!! They are nice and flat and good length and wooden, so no problem with accidentally shorting the tracks..
And who does not like a Popsicle or fudgesicle once in awhile!!! Laurin



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> I have also thought about having hidden uncouplers of some type in the yards in many locations.
> It would make for great switching scenarios.
> One thought was to use DC solenoids and adding tiny rare earth magnets to the coupler "weights" with the polarity set opposite of the DC electromagnet so it repels upward.
>
> This would be practical for AM and SHS that use plastic "weights". Not so much for ones with metal weights.
>
> Carl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mrstumpy50
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:30 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Lowest cost uncouplers?
>
>
>
> Pardon me for saying this, but aren't you trying to "re-invent the wheel?" Or do I not understand? The Flyer knuckle couplers uncouple by pushing upward on the weight under the knuckle. There are electric uncouplers, manual uncouplers (which you can even make yourself), and you can reach under the couplers with a small screwdriver and release them too.
> It seems that going into magnetising all the couplers in a fleet would be much more of a hassle than having a little screwdriver in your pocket. Besides, using the screwdriver is like a brakeman "pulling the pin" uncoupling cars on a real railroad.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69123 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncouplers?
From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas

SHS and AM have remote uncouplers that are semi hidden from view. I have 2 SHS ones on my layout and like how they  work. AM has one that you have to remove a certain number of ties to fit it in. Then just add some overgroth alongside the track to hide the missing ties. 
 they work with original Flyer as well, I have no peoblems. The magnet idea will never work on AM, and SHS plastic uncoupler pegs. You would have to do some heavy modification. With the maggnet you would have to go through some trial and error  to find the size that works best, and have a good supply of CA glue available for repairs that would result from everyday use. Just my thoughts.
� Thanks,
Alan lambert�


________________________________
From: texas0717 <laurin0717@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:59 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lowest cost uncouplers?



 



I use Popsicle sticks(after consuming the Popsicle of coures)!! They are nice and flat and good length and wooden, so no problem with accidentally shorting the tracks..
And who does not like a Popsicle or fudgesicle once in awhile!!! Laurin

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> I have also thought about having hidden uncouplers of some type in the yards in many locations.
> It would make for great switching scenarios.
> One thought was to use DC solenoids and adding tiny rare earth magnets to the coupler "weights" with the polarity set opposite of the DC electromagnet so it repels upward.
>
> This would be practical for AM and SHS that use plastic "weights". Not so much for ones with metal weights.
>
> Carl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mrstumpy50
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:30 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Lowest cost uncouplers?
>
>
>
> Pardon me for saying this, but aren't you trying to "re-invent the wheel?" Or do I not understand? The Flyer knuckle couplers uncouple by pushing upward on the weight under the knuckle. There are electric uncouplers, manual uncouplers (which you can even make yourself), and you can reach under the couplers with a small screwdriver and release them too.
> It seems that going into magnetising all the couplers in a fleet would be much more of a hassle than having a little screwdriver in your pocket. Besides, using the screwdriver is like a brakeman "pulling the pin" uncoupling cars on a real railroad.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69124 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: MOTELS
Bob, a group of us stay at the Hampten Inn in Hanover, very nice. There is a Holiday Inn Express next door.

Harwood



-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 29, 2012 5:20 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] MOTELS




GUYS AND GAL.... Any reccommendations for a nice motel in York for the April meet.... Thinking of going.... But bringing one of my GF's and she did not like the old Billy Bud last Oct... But I need to watch price.... Don't mind even Harrisburg as she has a daughter there... Bob Conner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69125 From: Rich Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: AF Atlantic Prototype
Unlike the clear (visual anyway) relationship between Flyer's 4-6-4 and 4-8-4 with their prototypes (NYC's J class and UP's FEF respectively) - not to mention the Pennsy K-5 pacific - I was under the impression that the provenance of the Flyer Atlantic was less clear. However, these pictures show a lot of similarity with Reading prototypes:
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/rdg_steam1.html. Look at the P7sa engines - #s 350, 351, 352, and 353 - about 2/3 of the way down the page. Certainly the Wootten firebox is a distinctive similarity. You'll also notice that a large fraction of the Reading 4-4-2 locomotives were camelbacks, based on the pictures at this site.

FWIW,
Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 69126 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncoupler
Yep! I agree! The CHEAPEST and handiest uncoupler is the fabulous popsicle stick, aka "craft stick." An item of many uses! Uncoupling tool, repacement for broken loco drawbars, scratch building material, and so on.
As an uncoupling tool it can go to any location on the layout, not stuck in one place, and cost virtually nothing.
I created a "deluxe" version of an "uncoupling tool" a few years ago by filing a shallow grove in one end with a half round file to slide under the coupler weight, drilled a hole in the other end for keeping the "tool" on a keychain, and painting it bright orange "so it's hard to lose." I set up a fake "display card" of them at the hobby shop where I worked, leaving a few "empty spots" where some had "been sold."
Not only did it get laughs from the regular customers, but a couple of people who came in thought they were a real product!
Heck, maybe I should have actually sold them!
In HO where Kadee couplers are the defacto standard we all used their uncoupling tool. Many of the guys used manual switches also. It was like a real brakeman hand throwing the switches and "pulling the pin" on the couplers!
Lots of semi-realistic fun for very little money!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69127 From: John Davis Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
I have encountered similar gremlins, and found that trying a different armature (if you have one in a junk box or junker parts donor engine) can  fix it, and if you don't have a spare, try inserting a small washer at the "worm" end of the armature to keep it from screwing itself down to the point of binding.  Lastly, I have experienced warped or bent layers of the stacked lamination in the field magnet, that throws off the alignment and creates binding in the final stages of reassembly.  In that case, you'll need a new field magnet, because I don't have a technique to straighten the stacks of metal laminates. Don't over look junker whistling billboards if you need an "organ donor".  Good luck.  john davis Noblesville IN


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69128 From: kevin Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Looking for some S-Helper 01295 Kadee®-style Couplers
By chance would any one have a couple of pairs of the S-Helper 01295 Kadee®-style couplers they would be willing to sell? S-Helper is out of them and so is Hoquat Hobbies.

Please contact me off list if you would be willing to part with 2 or 3 pairs.

Thanks!

Kevin S.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69129 From: Timboy Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncoupler
I never thought about it, but a Popsicle (or craft) stick should also work for linkers. How many of us have struggled a little by hand to free up those pesky linkers? A little stick under the weights to lift them up should do the trick - just like the remote uncouplers do. Sometimes it's the simplest things that are the best solutions
-Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Yep! I agree! The CHEAPEST and handiest uncoupler is the fabulous popsicle stick, aka "craft stick." An item of many uses! Uncoupling tool, repacement for broken loco drawbars, scratch building material, and so on.
> As an uncoupling tool it can go to any location on the layout, not stuck in one place, and cost virtually nothing.
> I created a "deluxe" version of an "uncoupling tool" a few years ago by filing a shallow grove in one end with a half round file to slide under the coupler weight, drilled a hole in the other end for keeping the "tool" on a keychain, and painting it bright orange "so it's hard to lose." I set up a fake "display card" of them at the hobby shop where I worked, leaving a few "empty spots" where some had "been sold."
> Not only did it get laughs from the regular customers, but a couple of people who came in thought they were a real product!
> Heck, maybe I should have actually sold them!
> In HO where Kadee couplers are the defacto standard we all used their uncoupling tool. Many of the guys used manual switches also. It was like a real brakeman hand throwing the switches and "pulling the pin" on the couplers!
> Lots of semi-realistic fun for very little money!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69130 From: frank emiro Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
These were rebuilds from Philadelphia & Reading service engines, from the Reading Railroad. They were  4-4-4's, but the trailing trucks were not very good, so they were rebuilt. The story goes they were used originally for  Philadelphia, Pa to Atlantic City, NJ service.  
 Roar of the rails (by ACG) will show the AC Gilbert proto locos. Philadelphia & Reading # 350 is shown. 
From the Reading site you had attached, number 351 is how they looked less the 4 wheel trailing truck.
 You will see it here... http://myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1944Catalog/AF_1944_catalog_index1.htm

 Frank

________________________________
From: Rich <richs009@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Atlantic Prototype


 

Unlike the clear (visual anyway) relationship between Flyer's 4-6-4 and 4-8-4 with their prototypes (NYC's J class and UP's FEF respectively) - not to mention the Pennsy K-5 pacific - I was under the impression that the provenance of the Flyer Atlantic was less clear. However, these pictures show a lot of similarity with Reading prototypes:
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/rdg_steam1.html. Look at the P7sa engines - #s 350, 351, 352, and 353 - about 2/3 of the way down the page. Certainly the Wootten firebox is a distinctive similarity. You'll also notice that a large fraction of the Reading 4-4-2 locomotives were camelbacks, based on the pictures at this site.

FWIW,
Rich




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69131 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Looking for some S-Helper 01295 Kadee®-style Coupler
Try Kadee in Oregon


In a message dated 3/30/2012 11:59:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
kevin44sivils70816@... writes:




By chance would any one have a couple of pairs of the S-Helper 01295
Kadee®-style couplers they would be willing to sell? S-Helper is out of them and
so is Hoquat Hobbies.

Please contact me off list if you would be willing to part with 2 or 3
pairs.

Thanks!

Kevin S.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 69132 From: Ted Walton Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
Larry and Alan,
Thanks for the suggestions. The bushings in the armature are not
lose. On closer examination, the armature worm gear axis is bent and
I'm sure that is causing things to bind up during rotation. I cannot
understand how that could ever be bent. I don't think it can be trued
with out damaging the worm threads on the gear and it doesn't look
like it is a replaceable part, and appears the whole armature needs
replacing. I have also measured the continuity between the 3 copper
segments on the armature and found that there is only one ohm
resistance between them. I believe that they should be completely
isolated - is that right? I'm not sure it's worth the effort and
expense to find and replace the armature without knowing everything
will work when its back together. I believe the 308 is a pretty
common and cheap engine.
Thanks
Ted Walton

>
>Posted by: "Larry Moore" <mailto:mo2337@...?Subject=
>Re%3A%20Engine%20problem%20AF%20308>mo2337@...
><http://profiles.yahoo.com/aftrainco>aftrainco
>
>
>
>
>
>Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:46 pm
>
>
>Ted, If everything seems to work free with the motor apart, check the
>bushing that is in the brush cap. With the brush cap off and the armature
>out, put the end of the armature in the bushing, to see if it is free. I
>have actually worked on a couple of units , where the bushing was loose and
>turning in the brush cap. Hope this helps, Good Luck, Larry
>From: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>[mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
>Of Ted Walton
>Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:37 PM
>To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Engine problem AF 308
>Problem with American Flyer308. The armature appears to bind up in
>the Magnet assy(?). With the engine out of its shell and the brush
>bracket(holder) assy. removed, all the wheels, gears, and
>piston-lever-worm gear move very freely with no binding when I rotate
>the armature with my fingers. When I reconnect the brush holder
>assy, with and without the brushes and brush springs , the motor
>locks up on trying to rotate the armature with my fingers. It appears
>to rotate freely 180 degrees, more or less, before binding up where
>I have to take a small screwdriver to push it with moderate force to
>move it past this binding area and then it rotates freely until it
>again reaches this same area.
>All gear teeth appear to be in reasonable good shape The e-switch
>also appears to work ok On applying power, the motor will not run.
>Power is getting to the engine.
>I get the emails in digest format ( only get the emails in one big
>email once a day) so it may take a day or two to respond to any
>questions or suggestions, Thanks for any help.
>Ted Walton
Group: S-Trains Message: 69133 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
and he notes -

The AF Atlantic was introduced in 1939 as 3/16 0 Scale and was indeed
a Reading loco. They were originally built as 4-4-4 "Columbias" but
the four wheel truck proved unstable and the locos were converted to
Atlantics. Here is a photo of one as built:

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/rdg110sa.jpg

AF decided on the Reading loco because it had a wide firebox and
could accommodate a standard motor. The Prewar and early Postwar
models were lettered for Reading.

Raleigh in Chilleigh Maineigh...



At 01:21 PM 3/30/2012, Rich wrote:
>
>
>Unlike the clear (visual anyway) relationship between Flyer's 4-6-4
>and 4-8-4 with their prototypes (NYC's J class and UP's FEF
>respectively) - not to mention the Pennsy K-5 pacific - I was under
>the impression that the provenance of the Flyer Atlantic was less
>clear. However, these pictures show a lot of similarity with Reading
>prototypes:
><http://www.northeast.railfan.net/rdg_steam1.html.>http://www.northeast.railfan.net/rdg_steam1.html.
>Look at the P7sa engines - #s 350, 351, 352, and 353 - about 2/3 of
>the way down the page. Certainly the Wootten firebox is a
>distinctive similarity. You'll also notice that a large fraction of
>the Reading 4-4-2 locomotives were camelbacks, based on the pictures
>at this site.
>
>FWIW,
>Rich


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69134 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
I didn't think there was any question of the prototype for any of the
American Flyer locomotives..although I haven't hunted down the exact loco
used for the 0-6-0T.

Lionel only had a few locos that could be identified as to what the
prototype inspiration might have been.

Charlie Vlk



0-6-0

PRR B6?

0-6-0T

Typical industrial catalog loco

0-8-0

NKP USRA

4-4-0

Unknown but typical 1880's type

Rogers 1890s design similar to IC 382 4-6-0

4-4-2

READING

4-6-2

B&O (Royal Blue)

C&NW

NH

PRR K5

4-6-4

NYC J3

4-8-4

UP
FEF 1

PA

ATSF PA1

F7

Poor F7 copy of the HO Gilbert F3 inspired by the Marx F3

Baldwin Switcher

VO1000

GP7

Early EMD Demonstrator

EP5

NH not a bad model, better than Lionel's version



Charlie Vlk





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69135 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
From: Alan Lambert
 
Ted,
That was the next place I would have looked, but could not get back to you. Glad you found the problem.
               Alan


________________________________
From: Ted Walton <trwalton@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 2:59 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Engine problem AF 308



 

Larry and Alan,
Thanks for the suggestions. The bushings in the armature are not
lose. On closer examination, the armature worm gear axis is bent and
I'm sure that is causing things to bind up during rotation. I cannot
understand how that could ever be bent. I don't think it can be trued
with out damaging the worm threads on the gear and it doesn't look
like it is a replaceable part, and appears the whole armature needs
replacing. I have also measured the continuity between the 3 copper
segments on the armature and found that there is only one ohm
resistance between them. I believe that they should be completely
isolated - is that right? I'm not sure it's worth the effort and
expense to find and replace the armature without knowing everything
will work when its back together. I believe the 308 is a pretty
common and cheap engine.
Thanks
Ted Walton

>
>Posted by: "Larry Moore" <mailto:mo2337@...?Subject=
>Re%3A%20Engine%20problem%20AF%20308>mo2337@...
><http://profiles.yahoo.com/aftrainco>aftrainco
>
>
>
>
>
>Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:46 pm
>
>
>Ted, If everything seems to work free with the motor apart, check the
>bushing that is in the brush cap. With the brush cap off and the armature
>out, put the end of the armature in the bushing, to see if it is free. I
>have actually worked on a couple of units , where the bushing was loose and
>turning in the brush cap. Hope this helps, Good Luck, Larry
>From: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>[mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
>Of Ted Walton
>Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:37 PM
>To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Engine problem AF 308
>Problem with American Flyer308. The armature appears to bind up in
>the Magnet assy(?). With the engine out of its shell and the brush
>bracket(holder) assy. removed, all the wheels, gears, and
>piston-lever-worm gear move very freely with no binding when I rotate
>the armature with my fingers. When I reconnect the brush holder
>assy, with and without the brushes and brush springs , the motor
>locks up on trying to rotate the armature with my fingers. It appears
>to rotate freely 180 degrees, more or less, before binding up where
>I have to take a small screwdriver to push it with moderate force to
>move it past this binding area and then it rotates freely until it
>again reaches this same area.
>All gear teeth appear to be in reasonable good shape The e-switch
>also appears to work ok On applying power, the motor will not run.
>Power is getting to the engine.
>I get the emails in digest format ( only get the emails in one big
>email once a day) so it may take a day or two to respond to any
>questions or suggestions, Thanks for any help.
>Ted Walton




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69136 From: Frank Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Some say the 0-6-0 was a Brooklyn Locomotive engine that did dock work in Brooklyn and some in Manhattan at the docks with B&O 0-6-0's. So Docksider may have made its name that way. The Hall of Science was within walking distance to the B&O docks. I had seen a Docksider working there in the 1957-60 time period. This is just my guess as to it's the model for ACG.
Frank

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:23 PM, "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@...> wrote:

> I didn't think there was any question of the prototype for any of the
> American Flyer locomotives..although I haven't hunted down the exact loco
> used for the 0-6-0T.
>
> Lionel only had a few locos that could be identified as to what the
> prototype inspiration might have been.
>
> Charlie Vlk
>
> 0-6-0
>
> PRR B6?
>
> 0-6-0T
>
> Typical industrial catalog loco
>
> 0-8-0
>
> NKP USRA
>
> 4-4-0
>
> Unknown but typical 1880's type
>
> Rogers 1890s design similar to IC 382 4-6-0
>
> 4-4-2
>
> READING
>
> 4-6-2
>
> B&O (Royal Blue)
>
> C&NW
>
> NH
>
> PRR K5
>
> 4-6-4
>
> NYC J3
>
> 4-8-4
>
> UP
> FEF 1
>
> PA
>
> ATSF PA1
>
> F7
>
> Poor F7 copy of the HO Gilbert F3 inspired by the Marx F3
>
> Baldwin Switcher
>
> VO1000
>
> GP7
>
> Early EMD Demonstrator
>
> EP5
>
> NH not a bad model, better than Lionel's version
>
> Charlie Vlk
>
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>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69137 From: Paul Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncoupler
and I am going to kit bash it before Stumpy gets another chance. cut the
stick to length, trim both long edges until it just
slips into the cap from an old Bic pen, glue in place and use slivers
from the left over wood to fill and strengthen the glue
joint at the cap. now it will stay in a shirt pocket. Stumpy, I didn't
just let out a secret topic for your clinic did I? paul


On 3/30/2012 2:48 PM, Timboy wrote:
>
> I never thought about it, but a Popsicle (or craft) stick should also
> work for linkers. How many of us have struggled a little by hand to
> free up those pesky linkers? A little stick under the weights to lift
> them up should do the trick - just like the remote uncouplers do.
> Sometimes it's the simplest things that are the best solutions
> -Timboy
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69138 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
There are a couple of errors and omissions in the prototypes list:

4-6-2
New Haven I-5

C&NW USRA

B&O P7 Royal Blue


F9 diesel, not f7. This is given away by the first fan back from the cab being larger than the rest of them on the roof (dynamic brake fan), and the extra set of louvers ahead of the first porthole. A LOT of liberties taken on this one! Cheez, with just a LITTLE bit of effort, it could have been better!

Baldwin Diesel

It is definitely NOT a VO-1000. Vo's had a nose that came to a point, in two variations. Also, VO's were turbocharged, so they had one big stack. The later model DS 4-4-1000 had the flat front as on the AF model. The non-turbocharged DS 4-4-1000 version had four small stacks, not the three as on the AF model. I would say that the AF model is a DS 4-4-750.

0-6-0T

This engine bears a strong resemblance to the famous B&O "dockside" 0-4-0s used in Baltimore and made familiar by the Varney HO model. Tha large dome is unusual,and should give its prototype away unless it was freelanced. The saddle tanks used on this model are not real common, and are found on the B&O engines and relatively few others. Compare this to a Varney model, or better yet, a REX dockside in S scale.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69139 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
I believe you'll find that the O-6-0 with slope back tender is a Pennsylvania Railroad prototype, while the Docksider 0-6-0 tank engine is similar to both Porter and Vulcan engines.

Here's an interesting tid-bit of information: Take another look at the photo of the Reading Atlantic. Note it appears to be "over exposed" for a black engine.

In reality, the engine was likely painted grey for the "builder's photo" after rebuiolding because the poor film of the day could not pick out the details otherwise.

American Locomotive Company was still doing this as late as their building of the New York Central's "Niagra" 4-8-4 engines. (Nice photo of that engine in the "History of ALCO" book.) The first engine completed in every class was photographed painted grey, then repainted black for the customer. All following engines were black unless otherwise specified by the customer.

Other locomotive builders and individual railroads did the same thing until photography and film had evolved so that the practice was no longer necessary.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69140 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
sometime using a threader will strighten out the bolt are anything else out of
true, but more likelly easier to repace the armature than trying to find the
right thread now a days.




________________________________
From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, March 30, 2012 5:40:16 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Engine problem AF 308

 
From: Alan Lambert
 
Ted,
That was the next place I would have looked, but could not get back to you. Glad
you found the problem.
               Alan


________________________________
From: Ted Walton <trwalton@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 2:59 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Engine problem AF 308


 

Larry and Alan,
Thanks for the suggestions. The bushings in the armature are not
lose. On closer examination, the armature worm gear axis is bent and
I'm sure that is causing things to bind up during rotation. I cannot
understand how that could ever be bent. I don't think it can be trued
with out damaging the worm threads on the gear and it doesn't look
like it is a replaceable part, and appears the whole armature needs
replacing. I have also measured the continuity between the 3 copper
segments on the armature and found that there is only one ohm
resistance between them. I believe that they should be completely
isolated - is that right? I'm not sure it's worth the effort and
expense to find and replace the armature without knowing everything
will work when its back together. I believe the 308 is a pretty
common and cheap engine.
Thanks
Ted Walton

>
>Posted by: "Larry Moore" <mailto:mo2337@...?Subject=
>Re%3A%20Engine%20problem%20AF%20308>mo2337@...
><http://profiles.yahoo.com/aftrainco>aftrainco
>
>
>
>
>
>Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:46 pm
>
>
>Ted, If everything seems to work free with the motor apart, check the
>bushing that is in the brush cap. With the brush cap off and the armature
>out, put the end of the armature in the bushing, to see if it is free. I
>have actually worked on a couple of units , where the bushing was loose and
>turning in the brush cap. Hope this helps, Good Luck, Larry
>From: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>[mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
>Of Ted Walton
>Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:37 PM
>To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Engine problem AF 308
>Problem with American Flyer308. The armature appears to bind up in
>the Magnet assy(?). With the engine out of its shell and the brush
>bracket(holder) assy. removed, all the wheels, gears, and
>piston-lever-worm gear move very freely with no binding when I rotate
>the armature with my fingers. When I reconnect the brush holder
>assy, with and without the brushes and brush springs , the motor
>locks up on trying to rotate the armature with my fingers. It appears
>to rotate freely 180 degrees, more or less, before binding up where
>I have to take a small screwdriver to push it with moderate force to
>move it past this binding area and then it rotates freely until it
>again reaches this same area.
>All gear teeth appear to be in reasonable good shape The e-switch
>also appears to work ok On applying power, the motor will not run.
>Power is getting to the engine.
>I get the emails in digest format ( only get the emails in one big
>email once a day) so it may take a day or two to respond to any
>questions or suggestions, Thanks for any help.
>Ted Walton

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69141 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: AF 0-6-0T Prototype
Several years ago,I found an engine that was quite similar in appearance
to the 0-6-0T at the Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris. The
unusual thing about the AF model is the lack of any fuel bunker to the
rear of the cab. The locomotive had a large hump over the firebox,
which could be a fuel bunker, but there is no reason why one could not
have been made part of the saddle tank. I posted the photo some time
ago at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/382544584/pic/954691482/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/382544584/pic/954691482/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc>

Dale

On 3/30/2012 6:23 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
>
> I believe you'll find that the O-6-0 with slope back tender is a
> Pennsylvania Railroad prototype, while the Docksider 0-6-0 tank engine
> is similar to both Porter and Vulcan engines.
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69142 From: Al Baker Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
A slight correction:
New Haven 4-6-2 was an I-4.
The NH I-5 was a 4-6-4 Hudson.

Al Baker



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "schwartzsj@..." <schwartzsj@...> wrote:
>
> There are a couple of errors and omissions in the prototypes list:
>
> 4-6-2
> New Haven I-5
>
> C&NW USRA
>
> B&O P7 Royal Blue
>
>
> F9 diesel, not f7. This is given away by the first fan back from the cab being larger than the rest of them on the roof (dynamic brake fan), and the extra set of louvers ahead of the first porthole. A LOT of liberties taken on this one! Cheez, with just a LITTLE bit of effort, it could have been better!
>
> Baldwin Diesel
>
> It is definitely NOT a VO-1000. Vo's had a nose that came to a point, in two variations. Also, VO's were turbocharged, so they had one big stack. The later model DS 4-4-1000 had the flat front as on the AF model. The non-turbocharged DS 4-4-1000 version had four small stacks, not the three as on the AF model. I would say that the AF model is a DS 4-4-750.
>
> 0-6-0T
>
> This engine bears a strong resemblance to the famous B&O "dockside" 0-4-0s used in Baltimore and made familiar by the Varney HO model. Tha large dome is unusual,and should give its prototype away unless it was freelanced. The saddle tanks used on this model are not real common, and are found on the B&O engines and relatively few others. Compare this to a Varney model, or better yet, a REX dockside in S scale.
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69143 From: Alan Lambert Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
From: Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth, Texas

Using a threader to straighten any bolt or thread willcause distortion at the point where it was straightened causing more problems
 I would go to Port Lines Hobbies. doug has repair parts and may have what you need.. Hope this helps.
� Alan


________________________________
From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Engine problem AF 308



 

sometime using a threader will strighten out the bolt are anything else out of
true, but more likelly easier to repace the armature than trying to find the
right thread now a days.

________________________________
From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, March 30, 2012 5:40:16 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Engine problem AF 308

 
From: Alan Lambert
 
Ted,
That was the next place I would have looked, but could not get back to you. Glad
you found the problem.
               Alan

________________________________
From: Ted Walton <trwalton@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 2:59 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Engine problem AF 308

 

Larry and Alan,
Thanks for the suggestions. The bushings in the armature are not
lose. On closer examination, the armature worm gear axis is bent and
I'm sure that is causing things to bind up during rotation. I cannot
understand how that could ever be bent. I don't think it can be trued
with out damaging the worm threads on the gear and it doesn't look
like it is a replaceable part, and appears the whole armature needs
replacing. I have also measured the continuity between the 3 copper
segments on the armature and found that there is only one ohm
resistance between them. I believe that they should be completely
isolated - is that right? I'm not sure it's worth the effort and
expense to find and replace the armature without knowing everything
will work when its back together. I believe the 308 is a pretty
common and cheap engine.
Thanks
Ted Walton

>
>Posted by: "Larry Moore" <mailto:mo2337@...?Subject=
>Re%3A%20Engine%20problem%20AF%20308>mo2337@...
><http://profiles.yahoo.com/aftrainco>aftrainco
>
>
>
>
>
>Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:46 pm
>
>
>Ted, If everything seems to work free with the motor apart, check the
>bushing that is in the brush cap. With the brush cap off and the armature
>out, put the end of the armature in the bushing, to see if it is free. I
>have actually worked on a couple of units , where the bushing was loose and
>turning in the brush cap. Hope this helps, Good Luck, Larry
>From: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>[mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
>Of Ted Walton
>Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:37 PM
>To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Engine problem AF 308
>Problem with American Flyer308. The armature appears to bind up in
>the Magnet assy(?). With the engine out of its shell and the brush
>bracket(holder) assy. removed, all the wheels, gears, and
>piston-lever-worm gear move very freely with no binding when I rotate
>the armature with my fingers. When I reconnect the brush holder
>assy, with and without the brushes and brush springs , the motor
>locks up on trying to rotate the armature with my fingers. It appears
>to rotate freely 180 degrees, more or less, before binding up where
>I have to take a small screwdriver to push it with moderate force to
>move it past this binding area and then it rotates freely until it
>again reaches this same area.
>All gear teeth appear to be in reasonable good shape The e-switch
>also appears to work ok On applying power, the motor will not run.
>Power is getting to the engine.
>I get the emails in digest format ( only get the emails in one big
>email once a day) so it may take a day or two to respond to any
>questions or suggestions, Thanks for any help.
>Ted Walton

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69144 From: rj4010d Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Spring Spree
Just in case you are late tuning in & need info on the up coming SPREE in Dayton Oh on May 4th & 5th here is the link to the Miami Valley "S" Gaugers web site.The host hotel is sold out of the special room rate of 84 00. I suggest you Google " Hotels on Poe Ave. Dayton,Oh ". Hope to see you at the Spree !! www.trainweb.org/mvsg/
Bob G.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69145 From: Frank Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: AF 0-6-0T Prototype
That makes me think all the more the Proto 0-6-0 was the one I had seen in Manhattan. Wood & coal would not be a safe source of fuel in Manhattan. Fuel oil would be a better source. Maybe a fuel tank was under the cab or some other place under the boiler that would safe and hidden.
If there was a fuel storage tank it would work to fuel the 0-6-0. Also, if it ran out of fuel, one could fuel it by a fuel truck. In the early 70's I delivered 2 oil to the PC in the Bronx and it was then called RR diesel.
I would like to really know what was the Proto type ACG used.
Frank



Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 31, 2012, at 4:06 AM, "Dale F. Smith" <dalefsmith@...> wrote:

> Several years ago,I found an engine that was quite similar in appearance
> to the 0-6-0T at the Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris. The
> unusual thing about the AF model is the lack of any fuel bunker to the
> rear of the cab. The locomotive had a large hump over the firebox,
> which could be a fuel bunker, but there is no reason why one could not
> have been made part of the saddle tank. I posted the photo some time
> ago at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/382544584/pic/954691482/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/382544584/pic/954691482/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc>
>
> Dale
>
> On 3/30/2012 6:23 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
> >
> > I believe you'll find that the O-6-0 with slope back tender is a
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69146 From: Frank Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
The Baldwin switcher is a rare S8 model like most Flyer engines were.

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On Mar 31, 2012, at 12:41 AM, "schwartzsj@..." <schwartzsj@...> wrote:

> There are a couple of errors and omissions in the prototypes list:
>
> 4-6-2
> New Haven I-5
>
> C&NW USRA
>
> B&O P7 Royal Blue
>
> F9 diesel, not f7. This is given away by the first fan back from the cab being larger than the rest of them on the roof (dynamic brake fan), and the extra set of louvers ahead of the first porthole. A LOT of liberties taken on this one! Cheez, with just a LITTLE bit of effort, it could have been better!
>
> Baldwin Diesel
>
> It is definitely NOT a VO-1000. Vo's had a nose that came to a point, in two variations. Also, VO's were turbocharged, so they had one big stack. The later model DS 4-4-1000 had the flat front as on the AF model. The non-turbocharged DS 4-4-1000 version had four small stacks, not the three as on the AF model. I would say that the AF model is a DS 4-4-750.
>
> 0-6-0T
>
> This engine bears a strong resemblance to the famous B&O "dockside" 0-4-0s used in Baltimore and made familiar by the Varney HO model. Tha large dome is unusual,and should give its prototype away unless it was freelanced. The saddle tanks used on this model are not real common, and are found on the B&O engines and relatively few others. Compare this to a Varney model, or better yet, a REX dockside in S scale.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69147 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
The C&NW Pacific was not a USRA but an ALCO C&NW design.
VO-1000s had both pointed curved and flat noses and could have one to four stacks of varying configuration
Charlie Vlk

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On Mar 31, 2012, at 1:19 AM, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:

> A slight correction:
> New Haven 4-6-2 was an I-4.
> The NH I-5 was a 4-6-4 Hudson.
>
> Al Baker
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "schwartzsj@..." <schwartzsj@...> wrote:
> >
> > There are a couple of errors and omissions in the prototypes list:
> >
> > 4-6-2
> > New Haven I-5
> >
> > C&NW USRA
> >
> > B&O P7 Royal Blue
> >
> >
> > F9 diesel, not f7. This is given away by the first fan back from the cab being larger than the rest of them on the roof (dynamic brake fan), and the extra set of louvers ahead of the first porthole. A LOT of liberties taken on this one! Cheez, with just a LITTLE bit of effort, it could have been better!
> >
> > Baldwin Diesel
> >
> > It is definitely NOT a VO-1000. Vo's had a nose that came to a point, in two variations. Also, VO's were turbocharged, so they had one big stack. The later model DS 4-4-1000 had the flat front as on the AF model. The non-turbocharged DS 4-4-1000 version had four small stacks, not the three as on the AF model. I would say that the AF model is a DS 4-4-750.
> >
> > 0-6-0T
> >
> > This engine bears a strong resemblance to the famous B&O "dockside" 0-4-0s used in Baltimore and made familiar by the Varney HO model. Tha large dome is unusual,and should give its prototype away unless it was freelanced. The saddle tanks used on this model are not real common, and are found on the B&O engines and relatively few others. Compare this to a Varney model, or better yet, a REX dockside in S scale.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69148 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Fuel on Tank engines
Generally, a fuel bunker was added to the back of the cab to hold a small amount of coal or oil. However, a customer may have reason to want to keep the size of a small engine within certain dimensions for clearance working narrow streets, old factories, narrow docks, mines, etc. Speed would be very slow and only a few cars at a time moved. Unlike diesels, steam engines were more customized to each customer.

In this case the Porter Locomotive Works catalog shows some engines to be "available" with a "fuel box" where the fireman would normally sit. One was noted to hold 57 gallons of "heavy oil." The fireman would stand presumably.

57 gallons of oil would far outlast the water in the saddle tank, so replentishment, particularly where most of these locos were used, would present no problem.

Sometimes in smaller applications, the engineer would double as fireman, but in the case of Norfolk & Western's "automatic firing" steam tank locos in the last decade of steam, a Class One operation did this.

After looking through my Porter catalog reprint, I noticed that Porter had an 80 ton 0-6-0T which was very similar to the AF engine. With the B&O "Dockside" being an 0-4-0T and the Porter 0-6-0T being big enough to fit the motors of the day, perhaps there IS no direct prototype for the AF "DocksidER?"?
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69149 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: Lowest cost uncoupler
Paul, ya' got me! If my uncoupling tool was the "deluxe" version of a popsicle stick, your idea to add a ballpoint pen cap for pocket carrying makes your version the "Super Deluxe" version!
And so, for the Spree it's back to my worktable to create an "Ultra Deluxe" popsicle stick uncoupling tool!
Popsicles will never be the same... :-)
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69150 From: Paul Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: Spring Spree
Bob and all,
there have been questions here about the schedule for our Spring Spree.
I am assuming people
are hunting more than just dates. we do need to update our website, but
for those needing a
little more information, the last discussed times: vendor area is to be
open 10AM until 9PM on
Friday the 4th, with dinner at 5:30 PM. then Saturday the 6th from 8AM
until 3PM. plenty of
time to search for treasures and still spend some with old friends and
new acquaintances.
as I put out a couple of days ago, as of the last MVSG meeting vendor
table rentals and registrations
of "S" enthusiasts were both on track and maybe a little ahead in
numbers than at the same time frame
as the 2008 Spree which was a great success. downloadable registration
forms are at the Spring Spree
link at the top of the page you posted. www.trainweb.org/mvsg/
has everybody except me made out their "wish list?" gonna go get busy on
it. paul rinehart

On 3/31/2012 9:16 AM, rj4010d wrote:
>
> Just in case you are late tuning in & need info on the up coming SPREE
> in Dayton Oh on May 4th & 5th here is the link to the Miami Valley "S"
> Gaugers web site.The host hotel is sold out of the special room rate
> of 84 00. I suggest you Google " Hotels on Poe Ave. Dayton,Oh ". Hope
> to see you at the Spree !! www.trainweb.org/mvsg/
> Bob G.
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69151 From: frank emiro Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: 0-4-0 without visible fuel tank
You might need to scroll down to see the 0-4-0. If you do some searching, you will see some rare and strange looking engines. On the G&R Packing rail site there is a Autocar switcher. Lots of very interesting history on the site. Even UP Y1163 & UP Y1068 on the NY Cross Harbor. Enjoy your search on this site.
http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/barc.html

Frank R. EMIRO

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69152 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Engine problem AF 308
The resistance between all 3 commutator plates of the armature should read
1.5 ohms in each case. I have lots of armatures that I have refurbished.
They are for sale. Or, I can probably straighten the one you have.
Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 3/31/2012 8:44:22 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
alanlambert64@... writes:




Larry and Alan,
Thanks for the suggestions. The bushings in the armature are not
lose. On closer examination, the armature worm gear axis is bent and
I'm sure that is causing things to bind up during rotation. I cannot
understand how that could ever be bent. I don't think it can be trued
with out damaging the worm threads on the gear and it doesn't look
like it is a replaceable part, and appears the whole armature needs
replacing. I have also measured the continuity between the 3 copper
segments on the armature and found that there is only one ohm
resistance between them. I believe that they should be completely
isolated - is that right? I'm not sure it's worth the effort and
expense to find and replace the armature without knowing everything
will work when its back together. I believe the 308 is a pretty
common and cheap engine.
Thanks
Ted Walton

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69153 From: frank emiro Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Fw: Could # 16 be the proto 0-6-0 ?
 If you scroll about mid way, you will see # 16 with a square tank. The head light might be off a little, but it looks clost to the # 21158 I have.

 http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/bedt/BEDTRosters.html#Steam


Frank R. EMIRO

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69154 From: Paul Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 without visible fuel tank
without the smoke stack, the Docksider reminds me a lot of the fireless
engines used here in Dayton, Oh. the National Cash Register company used
these inside of their buildings. there was a steam plant for heat and
power to the manufacturing facilities, so they charged these engines
with steam before work and at lunch times. as mentioned, they only moved
a car or two at a time but could safely go in and out of the buildings.
this also kept the building cleaner and smoke free. surprisingly a
charge lasted several hours. paul


On 3/31/2012 2:41 PM, frank emiro wrote:
>
> You might need to scroll down to see the 0-4-0. If you do some
> searching, you will see some rare and strange looking engines. On the
> G&R Packing rail site there is a Autocar switcher. Lots of very
> interesting history on the site. Even UP Y1163 & UP Y1068 on the NY
> Cross Harbor. Enjoy your search on this site.
> http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/barc.html
>
> Frank R. EMIRO
> ,___
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69155 From: Rich Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Baldwin Prototype
I am not a sufficient student of Baldwin diesels to have more than a superficial opinion, but judging a book -- errr, diesel -- by its cover, it looks to me like there's a pretty good match between the AF Baldwin and either the S-8 or the DS 4-4-750 (is the latter a newer version of the former??). Based on VO-1000 pictures at the same site, they all seem to have four (not three) exhaust stacks - one if its turbocharged, apparently. Others have pointed these features out and here are some pictures to back some of this up:
S-8 and VO-1000 on this page: http://www.northeast.railfan.net/diesel73.html
DS-4-4-750: http://www.northeast.railfan.net/diesel62.html
and look at the SMS #102 here: http://baldwindiesels.railfan.net/gallery.html and here: http://baldwindiesels.railfan.net/sms/index.html

I suppose AF might have taken some artistic license so maybe there isn't a precise match.

BTW, thanks for all the input on the steam loco prototypes. I thought I might assemble some representative pictures of prototypes for each of the AF locos I have.

- Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 69156 From: frank emiro Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 without visible fuel tank
Thats interesting


Frank R. EMIRO


________________________________
From: Paul <dilly@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 0-4-0 without visible fuel tank



 

without the smoke stack, the Docksider reminds me a lot of the fireless
engines used here in Dayton, Oh. the National Cash Register company used
these inside of their buildings. there was a steam plant for heat and
power to the manufacturing facilities, so they charged these engines
with steam before work and at lunch times. as mentioned, they only moved
a car or two at a time but could safely go in and out of the buildings.
this also kept the building cleaner and smoke free. surprisingly a
charge lasted several hours. paul

On 3/31/2012 2:41 PM, frank emiro wrote:
>
> You might need to scroll down to see the 0-4-0. If you do some
> searching, you will see some rare and strange looking engines. On the
> G&R Packing rail site there is a Autocar switcher. Lots of very
> interesting history on the site. Even UP Y1163 & UP Y1068 on the NY
> Cross Harbor. Enjoy your search on this site.
> http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/barc.html
>
> Frank R. EMIRO
> ,___
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69158 From: Ted Walton Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
Thanks for the additional comments guys. Larry Moore sent me an email
that he might have an armature from a junker that he would send me.
Great that should solve the problems. John Davis made some nice suggestions

>..try inserting a small washer at the "worm" end of the armature to
>keep it from screwing itself down to the point of binding. Lastly,
>I have experienced warped or bent layers of the stacked lamination
>in the field magnet, that throws off the alignment and creates
>binding in the final stages of reassembly. ..

I did try adding a washer at the end of the armature just to see what
would happen and I could feel where this might help in some cases -
but I think the washers I had were too thick and the bent too much in
my case. The suggestion of some distortion in the stacked laminations
in the field magnet occurred to me but nothing was obvious (maybe to
hard to actually see ). If one could find the high spots, maybe a
Dremel tool could be used to grind enough off to free up some play
without screwing up the magnet, or maybe not.

I'll let the group know how things turn out.

Ted Walton
Group: S-Trains Message: 69160 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: Baldwin Prototype
Rich:

You are pretty much correct. The VO's front comes to a point, or in most cases,at least a three stage taper, and is not flat. This is borne out by the photos in the SMS website, although SMS's collection is not the final word. I still stand by my contention that it's a DS 4-4-750, not the later improved S-8. The S-8 and S-12 had a small rectangular hatch(?) on the right radiator screen panel, down low. That pretty well disqualifies the S-8, ALTHOUGH the Lehigh Valley's S-12's, the first of that model built did not have the rectangular addition.

FAP! I KNEW I should have checked a CNW steam roster for the class!

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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Baldwin Prototype
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:22:08 -0000


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69161 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
The AF Baldwin is an S-8 according to whom?

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To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Atlantic Prototype
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:05:46 -0400


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69162 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Re: NEW NASG / NMRA LAYOUT
Allen congratulations! I look forward to seeing the pics!

- Earl Henry, Nashville



In a message dated 3/31/2012 7:36:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
allen.evans@... writes:




Friend Michael Bushnell drove over to my home today and became the first
operator on my new "S" Scale layout, which I intend to call the "New Orleans
Public Belt Railroad". This is a scale S gauge layout which uses an NCE
Radio Controlled 10amp DCC system, a variety of Toms Turnouts, and a whole lot
of Showcaseline.com "S" flex track.

The layout is about 32 ft long and 15 ft wide. It includes a large
turntable, yard and pair of silvery bridges.

Photos coming.

Allen Evans
NASG / NMRA
Covington, Louisiana






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69163 From: Randall Griggs Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
My son, Scott, posted some photos of the AF Atlantic as well as other Gilbert AF locomotive prototypes in the Files section of the S-Trains Yahoo group back in June, 2001.  Take a look at the AFPrototypePhotos folder in the S-Trains File Section.
Regards, Randy Griggs

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69164 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Video - Two Trains Running on the Layout
Hi All,

Here is an AFL Silver Flash passenger train and a freight train being pulled by an American Models Southern Crescent Limited 4-6-2 steam locomotive on my under construction S-Gauge layout.

You can view the YouTube video here: http://youtu.be/3E7LBQ5nsFc

Have fun and view my other videos!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69165 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: AFL Silver Flash Set on YouTube
Hi All,

I've added another AFL passenger set to my inventory. I purchased the AFL Silver Flash set from Scott (an S-Trains group member). Everything was perfect right out of the boxes.

You can see the AFL Silver Flash set on YouTube here:

http://www.youtu.be/0LEIc37Rx5M

Have fun and view my other videos!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69166 From: Lamont Heppe Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 without visible fuel tank
In northeast Pennsylvania, many of the small narrow gauge engines used around the mines had no provision for carrying fuel. A few lumps of coal would be kept on the cab deck and when more fuel was needed it was everywhere on the ground around the tracks. The engineer just stopped and picked up some more coal.

Monte
Group: S-Trains Message: 69167 From: scott dargenio Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: AFL Silver Flash Set on YouTube
I don't think that set could have gone to a better home.  Fantastic layout David!

Thanks for sharing,
       Scott Dargenio



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69168 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Engine selection by AF
While we're on the subject of locomotives, please allow me an observation on the selection of prototypes that American Flyer manufactured. Although I'm sure there would be disagreement, as a lover of steam engines I think AF picked some of the "icons" of the steam age.

The Atlantic was turn of the century passenger power, used on many railroads for a time. Yet the Wooten firebox to burn "hard" coal was distinctive to just a few Eastern Pennsylvania, and New Jersey lines.

The Pennsy and the Central were cut throat competitors for passenger service in those days and each produced a locomotive of memorable design. The Pennsylvania K4 was a brutish, all business loco as fitted their operating style, while the NYC J series Hudsons had a powerful, yet slightly refined look befitting the Central.

The New Haven prefered smokebox mounted feedwater heaters, giving them a distinctive profile, while farther West the C&NW Pacifics were close to the USRA design with it's "cleaner" look. Both good examples of the 4-6-2 type.

The Northern was used on most major roads toward the end of steam, the last and best evolution of heavy power for dual service. But it would not be hard to argue that the Union Pacific locomotives were the nicest looking.

And finally, the Baltimore & Ohio Royal Blue, an example of the early style of the streamline era. It brought another railroad's unique engine into Flyer manufacture. As a B&O fan, I would have done the cleaner lined "Cincinnatian" design, but that design didn't yet exist when Flyer first produced the Royal Blue.

There is a glaring lack of freight engines in the original American Flyer line up, which I find unusual since they did model two 0-6-0s and an 0-8-0 switcher. We had to wait for S Helper to make the Consolidation and Lionel to do a Mikado.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69169 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Randy, tell your son "excellent work" finding these photos. They pretty much put to rest any questions about the parentage of these engines. And now that they are in a file which anyone on S Trains can access, further discussion at some future time can be refered to the file. Good Show.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69170 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: NKP (NS) Heritage Diesel
johntech wrote:
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> <<..I have a paint stripped 370 that would look real nice in those colors
>
> http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=393468&nseq=5
> <http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=393468&nseq=5>
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> John >>
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>
John

That would look good

Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 69171 From: Rich Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Engine selection by AF
Stumpy - you make an interesting point about how almost all of the mainline steam locos ACG used as prototypes seem to be - at least originally - designed for passenger service. I've tried to think of some counterexamples, but can't. I don't know the Eastern US RR's well and almost all of the pictures I've seen of the Atlantics, K-5's (K-4's), Hudsons, etc. are with passenger trains (at least in the prime of steam).

If the CNW pacific is essentially modeled after a USRA light pacific, then I've seen photos with them leading freight trains, but can't be certain that those pictures might have been taken after the 'decline' of steam. In terms of the UP Northern (aka FEF), I don't recall seeing very many of them on freights as a kid in Nebraska in the 1950's. I do recall them leading mail trains - several a day in each direction - on the UP main line and running with a track speed of 60 to 70 mph.

-Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> While we're on the subject of locomotives, please allow me an observation on the selection of prototypes that American Flyer manufactured. Although I'm sure there would be disagreement, as a lover of steam engines I think AF picked some of the "icons" of the steam age.
>
> The Atlantic was turn of the century passenger power, used on many railroads for a time. Yet the Wooten firebox to burn "hard" coal was distinctive to just a few Eastern Pennsylvania, and New Jersey lines.
>
> The Pennsy and the Central were cut throat competitors for passenger service in those days and each produced a locomotive of memorable design. The Pennsylvania K4 was a brutish, all business loco as fitted their operating style, while the NYC J series Hudsons had a powerful, yet slightly refined look befitting the Central.
>
> The New Haven prefered smokebox mounted feedwater heaters, giving them a distinctive profile, while farther West the C&NW Pacifics were close to the USRA design with it's "cleaner" look. Both good examples of the 4-6-2 type.
>
> The Northern was used on most major roads toward the end of steam, the last and best evolution of heavy power for dual service. But it would not be hard to argue that the Union Pacific locomotives were the nicest looking.
>
> And finally, the Baltimore & Ohio Royal Blue, an example of the early style of the streamline era. It brought another railroad's unique engine into Flyer manufacture. As a B&O fan, I would have done the cleaner lined "Cincinnatian" design, but that design didn't yet exist when Flyer first produced the Royal Blue.
>
> There is a glaring lack of freight engines in the original American Flyer line up, which I find unusual since they did model two 0-6-0s and an 0-8-0 switcher. We had to wait for S Helper to make the Consolidation and Lionel to do a Mikado.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69172 From: Rich Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
Randy - excellent work indeed. He only beat me to my idea of collecting some prototype photos by 11 years too!! - though I hadn't really thought about posting the results - an even better idea. I'm not sure how it would work - maybe one of the site masters/gurus could weigh in - but if we had a separate section (similar to the "files", "photos", "links", etc. sections now) that could be labeled prototypes, we could add our collective wisdom to this. There are additional steam - as well as diesel - prototypes not represented in your son's files - and as Stumpy sez, these photos help put to rest questions about provenance. The current discussion about the Baldwin prototype is a case in point (assuming we can decide whether its an S-8 or a DS4-4-750...!).

In any event, thank your son for us - always good to be ahead of the curve...

- Rich

ps I also thought it would be interesting to have some photos of some of the 'iconic' or distinctive rolling stock for which there are clear prototypes, like the 'big hook' crane car, the boat tail observation car, the RPO car with the mail bag hook, etc. (not to mention the "Reading" caboose).

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Randy, tell your son "excellent work" finding these photos. They pretty much put to rest any questions about the parentage of these engines. And now that they are in a file which anyone on S Trains can access, further discussion at some future time can be refered to the file. Good Show.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69173 From: johntech Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Norfolk Southern decals
Hey Dave

Would you guys have any NS decals like on the first engine shown in the picture?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=393468&nseq=5

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69174 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern decals
John,
     Nope, we sure don't. Now then, if you can furnish some great photos and exact measurements in "S" Scale of these we can produce some for you. OK?
Dave
 


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From: johntech <beebear@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Norfolk Southern decals
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 1, 2012, 3:55 PM



 



Hey Dave

Would you guys have any NS decals like on the first engine shown in the picture?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=393468&nseq=5

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69176 From: Frank Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
It was know to be an S8 several years ago by many who knew. Just look at the three small stacks that were only on S8's. It was the only one built that way. Why do you think it was not? Were the photos not clear ?

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> The AF Baldwin is an S-8 according to whom?
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69177 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Engine selection by AF
Rich and Stumpy:

I think you have to consider it this way: Gilbert designs a four wheel mechanism for its starter sets, a six wheel mechanism for its "upgrade" sets, and an eight wheel mechanism for the top of the line sets, all with 80" drivers. Now, what prototypes do we choose that fit those mechanisms? (more or less) What Atlantic do we choose? Aha! that Reading with the Wootten firebox is perfect to accommodate the motor. There are plenty of Pacifics out there, such as the Royal Blue, and the new Pennsy Pacific, the K-5, the Pacific of the future. We'll choose the C&NW for the cheaper sets, and another cheap-to-produce but husky metal boiler could be the New Haven I-4s that we see in the neighborhood. Let's see, those new Union Pacific 4-8-4s have pretty clean, sleek lines--and we can use a Western prototype. Also, what goes around the curves the best--those six-wheel mechanisms! Those Boxpok drivers are more modern--not those old fashioned spoked drivers, so we shouldn't have much trouble putting under most of our engines, either. These kids want to run their trains FAST, so let's put fast passenger engines in front of them.

No old slow freight hogs like 2-8-0s. Hey, did you see how those 0-8-0s bang around curves? The choo-choo is pretty funky, too.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69178 From: Frank Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Baldwin Prototype
I do not think the C&NW had S8's. They did have Baldwins but not S8's. Maybe they were going to have S8's and let Gilbert copy them and maybe they canceled the Baldwin order. Many of Gilbert's engines were close to proto in the beginning years of production. With patent laws and liesencing issues, ACG could close copy a proto or RR as long as there was more then a 20% difference in the finished product.
The NH EP 5 was a great example. Being only 10 were ever made and only for the NH. The trucks on the flyer engine EP 5's were AlcoPA trucks not proto like the EP 5's had. So you might always find non proto items on any Gilbert trains from the late 40's - 60's.
Also and most important was , they were only toy trains and were meant to resemble the real ones.


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 31, 2012, at 11:41 PM, "schwartzsj@..." <schwartzsj@...> wrote:

> Rich:
>
> You are pretty much correct. The VO's front comes to a point, or in most cases,at least a three stage taper, and is not flat. This is borne out by the photos in the SMS website, although SMS's collection is not the final word. I still stand by my contention that it's a DS 4-4-750, not the later improved S-8. The S-8 and S-12 had a small rectangular hatch(?) on the right radiator screen panel, down low. That pretty well disqualifies the S-8, ALTHOUGH the Lehigh Valley's S-12's, the first of that model built did not have the rectangular addition.
>
> FAP! I KNEW I should have checked a CNW steam roster for the class!
>
> Please note: message attached
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69179 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: AF Atlantic Prototype
If you look at what I wrote in another reply, what DOESN'T make the AF Baldwin an S8 is the lack of the square (or rectangular) opening in the right hand side of the front grille at the bottom. The DS 4-4-750 ALSO has the three stacks, but doesn't have the above-referenced opening. Both the s8 and the more common S12 had these. Check out the SMS and the other referenced photos that have been discussed here and you'll see what I mean.

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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Atlantic Prototype
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69180 From: Timboy Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Engine selection by AF
When you frame it that way, it sounds wonderfully plausible!

-Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "schwartzsj@..." <schwartzsj@...> wrote:
>
> Rich and Stumpy:
>
> I think you have to consider it this way: Gilbert designs a four wheel mechanism for its starter sets, a six wheel mechanism for its "upgrade" sets, and an eight wheel mechanism for the top of the line sets, all with 80" drivers. Now, what prototypes do we choose that fit those mechanisms? (more or less) What Atlantic do we choose? Aha! that Reading with the Wootten firebox is perfect to accommodate the motor. There are plenty of Pacifics out there, such as the Royal Blue, and the new Pennsy Pacific, the K-5, the Pacific of the future. We'll choose the C&NW for the cheaper sets, and another cheap-to-produce but husky metal boiler could be the New Haven I-4s that we see in the neighborhood. Let's see, those new Union Pacific 4-8-4s have pretty clean, sleek lines--and we can use a Western prototype. Also, what goes around the curves the best--those six-wheel mechanisms! Those Boxpok drivers are more modern--not those old fashioned spoked drivers, so we shouldn't have much trouble putting under most of our engines, either. These kids want to run their trains FAST, so let's put fast passenger engines in front of them.
>
> No old slow freight hogs like 2-8-0s. Hey, did you see how those 0-8-0s bang around curves? The choo-choo is pretty funky, too.
> ____________________________________________________________
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69181 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Baldwin Prototype
Frank:

You're right, C&NW didn't have S8's! According to Baldwin Diesels Vol.1 by Jim Boyd, they DID have 3 DS 4-4-660's! Now, there's a rare bird. It could very well have three stacks, and it could also be pretty close to the AF model! Gotta see a picture of one to be sure. The DS 4-4-660's were built in 1949

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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baldwin Prototype
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:07:24 -0400


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69182 From: johntech Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern decals
Thanks Dave

I'll see what I can do!!

John
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave at LBR Enterprises
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Norfolk Southern decals



John,
Nope, we sure don't. Now then, if you can furnish some great photos and exact measurements in "S" Scale of these we can produce some for you. OK?
Dave


--- On Sun, 4/1/12, johntech <beebear@...> wrote:

From: johntech <beebear@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Norfolk Southern decals
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 1, 2012, 3:55 PM



Hey Dave

Would you guys have any NS decals like on the first engine shown in the picture?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=393468&nseq=5

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69183 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Baldwin Prototype
Frank:

Here's my take on the EP-5 New Haven: This is a new engine that's running past the Gilbert factory. That !@#!! Lionel got the drop on us with that one! BUT, ours has "six wheel" trucks like the the real one, not the EMD Blomberg like Lionel tried to fudge with. The PA trucks are 'close enough", so who'll really know the difference?
Didn't the catalog have a GE logo behind its picture of the model?
P

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69184 From: Frank Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Re: Baldwin Prototype
I agree with you. The flyer EP 5 was nicer then Lionel, in that it wasn't short, fat, & looking stuffy, Lol. I watched the NH & NYC Harlem lines operating through my home town (Mt. Vernon,NY). I got to see and hear those great EP 5's. Even had to get off a MU and walk to the station being one aught fire and jammed the line in Mt. Vernon.
I don't know if you knew the first NH EP 5 was black, white & yellow. It was sent back to be repainted.
Enjoy your evening ant those great American Flyer Trains.

Frank, now in New Hampshire.
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 1, 2012, at 11:13 PM, "schwartzsj@..." <schwartzsj@...> wrote:

> Frank:
>
> Here's my take on the EP-5 New Haven: This is a new engine that's running past the Gilbert factory. That !@#!! Lionel got the drop on us with that one! BUT, ours has "six wheel" trucks like the the real one, not the EMD Blomberg like Lionel tried to fudge with. The PA trucks are 'close enough", so who'll really know the difference?
> Didn't the catalog have a GE logo behind its picture of the model?
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69185 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: Steam survival
Rich is right! Many steam locos fell into "secondary service" toward the end of steam as Class One railroads rushed to dieselize. The once thriving used steam loco market collapsed in the mid-fifties, sending thousands of engines to scrap lines.

What few Atlantics were still around and hundreds of Pacifics could be found as "protection power" to diesels for passenger trains they once proudly pulled, hauled fast but light freight trains such as reefer blocks, and were downgraded to work train serivce.

A lot of smaller engines were sold to scrap dealers who then resold them to shortlines at a profit. This kept steam alive well into the sixties, long after the major roads were all diesel. But sadly the biggest engines like Northerns, almost all articulated engines, and all of those sharp looking NYC Hudsons went to the torch! They were just too large for shortlines with their light rail and bridges, and too costly to maintain. Even the budding tourist lines shunned them for these reasons.

What large locos are around today survived by corporate whim or being donated as displays in city parks or museums. And we're very fortunate to have those.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69186 From: Rich Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Steam survival
Stumpy my man! You've made my week. With an opening sentence like this, I'm going to print your comments out and put them on the wall of my office - just in case I need back up in my next 'discussion' with my wife...!

To your point about going from steam to diesel - somewhere I read that many (most?) steam engines spent more time in maintenance than they did in service. If its true that steam engine 'availability' was typically less than 50%, its no wonder that the class one RRs switched to diesels (not to mention the logistics of fuel and water). Still, there's just no comparison between the 'full' experience (sight, sound, smell, feel) of standing next to a live steam loco - let alone watching one move along the tracks at any speed - and a diesel, IMHO.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Rich is right! Many steam locos fell into "secondary service" toward the end of steam as Class One railroads rushed to dieselize. The once thriving used steam loco market collapsed in the mid-fifties, sending thousands of engines to scrap lines.
>
> What few Atlantics were still around and hundreds of Pacifics could be found as "protection power" to diesels for passenger trains they once proudly pulled, hauled fast but light freight trains such as reefer blocks, and were downgraded to work train serivce.
>
> A lot of smaller engines were sold to scrap dealers who then resold them to shortlines at a profit. This kept steam alive well into the sixties, long after the major roads were all diesel. But sadly the biggest engines like Northerns, almost all articulated engines, and all of those sharp looking NYC Hudsons went to the torch! They were just too large for shortlines with their light rail and bridges, and too costly to maintain. Even the budding tourist lines shunned them for these reasons.
>
> What large locos are around today survived by corporate whim or being donated as displays in city parks or museums. And we're very fortunate to have those.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69188 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Wives and trains
Rich, and y'all, wives and trains is being talked about over on the Lionel-Flyer list! Just step over there for more on this subject.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69189 From: Paul Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Spring Spree times, I hang my head in shame
OK, this is what I get for trusting the memories of a couple of old
guys, mine included. 4 of the 5 times I posted were wrong. the worst
mistake was dinner, I missed that one by an hour and might have had a
bunch of hungry train people on my case. here we go again, these times
are straight from the mailer that went out a couple of weeks ago. Show
hours: Friday the 4th: 10AM until 9:30PM with dinner at 6:30.
reservations for those wanting the dinner MUST be in by 4/15/2012.
Saturday the 5th hours: 8:30AM until 3PM. it seems that all I got
correct was the 3PM closing on Saturday, go figure. also, make sure to
purchase a mug. it will look great on your desk at work or placed in a
display with your trains. of course they are usable at home for casual
times and favorite beverages. paul rinehart
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69190 From: barb Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Two trains running on the layout
David,

Great job on the layout! You have packed lots of great stuff into a
limited space. How but is your layout?

Barb


Video - Two Trains Running on the Layout
Posted by: "bull_gator_1" bull_gator_1@... bull_gator_1
Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:56 am (PDT)


Hi All,

Here is an AFL Silver Flash passenger train and a freight train being pulled by an American Models Southern Crescent Limited 4-6-2 steam locomotive on my under construction S-Gauge layout.

You can view the YouTube video here: http://youtu.be/3E7LBQ5nsFc

Have fun and view my other videos!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69191 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Two trains running on the layout
Hi Barb,

How "but" is my layout? It's a-"but" 12' x 12'. lol

David


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Great job on the layout! You have packed lots of great stuff into a
> limited space. How but is your layout?
>
> Barb
>
>
> Video - Two Trains Running on the Layout
> Posted by: "bull_gator_1" bull_gator_1@... bull_gator_1
> Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:56 am (PDT)
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Here is an AFL Silver Flash passenger train and a freight train being pulled by an American Models Southern Crescent Limited 4-6-2 steam locomotive on my under construction S-Gauge layout.
>
> You can view the YouTube video here: http://youtu.be/3E7LBQ5nsFc
>
> Have fun and view my other videos!
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69192 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Wives and trains
There are just too many lists now. Do not have the time to go to the
Flyer Lionel list. The topic is not worth it but if it is a valid topic being
discussed there, then it really should be on this list.

Communication about things S scale are on how many yahoo groups now? I
can count at least 6. And now there is a Facebook page, an S-SIG website,
and the NASG website. (Those last two I really like).

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 4/2/2012 7:25:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
mrstumpy@... writes:




Rich, and y'all, wives and trains is being talked about over on the
Lionel-Flyer list! Just step over there for more on this subject.
Stumpy in Ahia






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69193 From: sscale@bestweb.net Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Norfolk Southern decals
 > Would you guys have any NS decals like on the first engine shown
in the
> picture?
>
Microscale did the older version
NS scheme, available from Des Plaines Hobbies.  No one has made decals for
the current scheme as pictured.
You can find some useful artwork
here:
http://www.nscorp.com/nscportal/nscorp/Media/Download the NS
Logo/

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69194 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Wives and trains
Not even interested - if AC didn't build it I don't want to know. Alistair
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69195 From: Jimbo Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: for trade are sale
I have decided after alot of thought to sale are trade the Baldwin 21801 would rather treade it for a cast steamer, I just like the steamers more, the engine is a 21801 later version in that it has no e unit and no headlight (thought about putting one in but decided aginst it)(unlisted in the sale book but not uncommon there are a few around not as many as ones with e units), it had the crack to rear step from the screw but is all there, all steps are on, few minor scratchs, but horn has smallest one broken off, runs and pulls fine took it to club and pulled 5 cars with it. It is the green and yellow color. Not certian how to price it since its not listed, but would like to trade more than sale it for a cast steamer with choo choo and smoke? tks Jim Davidson
Group: S-Trains Message: 69196 From: frank emiro Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Baldwin Prototype
This group is interesting. #105 to the right was/is an S8.
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2580494

Frank R. EMIRO


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From: Rich <richs009@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 3:22 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Baldwin Prototype



 

I am not a sufficient student of Baldwin diesels to have more than a superficial opinion, but judging a book -- errr, diesel -- by its cover, it looks to me like there's a pretty good match between the AF Baldwin and either the S-8 or the DS 4-4-750 (is the latter a newer version of the former??). Based on VO-1000 pictures at the same site, they all seem to have four (not three) exhaust stacks - one if its turbocharged, apparently. Others have pointed these features out and here are some pictures to back some of this up:
S-8 and VO-1000 on this page: http://www.northeast.railfan.net/diesel73.html
DS-4-4-750: http://www.northeast.railfan.net/diesel62.html
and look at the SMS #102 here: http://baldwindiesels.railfan.net/gallery.html and here: http://baldwindiesels.railfan.net/sms/index.html

I suppose AF might have taken some artistic license so maybe there isn't a precise match.

BTW, thanks for all the input on the steam loco prototypes. I thought I might assemble some representative pictures of prototypes for each of the AF locos I have.

- Rich




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69197 From: Al Baker Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Wives and trains
I'm with you Earl, it's time to start condensing, rather than expanding the number of lists/sites.
Al Baker



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote:
>
> There are just too many lists now. Do not have the time to go to the
> Flyer Lionel list. The topic is not worth it but if it is a valid topic being
> discussed there, then it really should be on this list.
>
> Communication about things S scale are on how many yahoo groups now? I
> can count at least 6. And now there is a Facebook page, an S-SIG website,
> and the NASG website. (Those last two I really like).
>
> - Earl Henry, Nashville
>
>
> In a message dated 4/2/2012 7:25:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> mrstumpy@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Rich, and y'all, wives and trains is being talked about over on the
> Lionel-Flyer list! Just step over there for more on this subject.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69198 From: David Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: AF Tender Chassis Extender Splines (Advertisement)
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chassis stiffiner pocket in an AF ATLANTIC TENDER CHASSIS produced from
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Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69199 From: Dennis Back Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Wives and trains
>>>>Rich, and y'all, wives and trains is being talked about over on the
Lionel-Flyer list! Just step over there for more on this subject.


Stumpy in Ahia

Now here's an idea....why not have a Wives and Trains yahoo list?
 
Perhaps a Wives of Gilbert Flyer Trains, and yet another list for Wives of Flyonel Trains.

;-)

Dennis
So. FL.















 









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Group: S-Trains Message: 69200 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Recent Posts Related to Groups
Hi All,

Let me see if I understand this recent line of reasoning:

1. Let's compress all of the groups into one group.

2. Let's not discuss anything that isn't interesting to everyone in that single group.

3. If AC didn't build it - don't discuss it.

If you follow those 3 rules then you may as well compress it to zero groups and be done with it.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69201 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
No - I said that I was not interested if its not Gilbert - didn't refer to this
group - the delete button works fine for me but I appreciate the scope of the
group but I am not interested in a seperate Lionel Flyer group. I should also say
I do enjoy talk of other things - just not a scale person or interested in fancy
sound boards etc. Alistair

On Tue 03/04/12 7:12 AM , "bull_gator_1" bull_gator_1@... sent:
> Hi All,
> Let me see if I understand this recent line of reasoning:
> 1. Let's compress all of the groups into one group.
> 2. Let's not discuss anything that isn't interesting to everyone in
> that single group.
> 3. If AC didn't build it - don't discuss it.
> If you follow those 3 rules then you may as well compress it to zero
> groups and be done with it.
> David
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [3]
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvc2ptY25pBF9TAzk3Mz
> U5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2OTIwMARzZWMDZnRyB
> HNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMzM0MDMyNDQ-?act=reply&messageNum=69200[4]
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjM24xNTFtBF9TAzk3Mz
> U5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0a
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/69200;_ylc=X3oDMTM0YTE1OWNmB
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJka2o3MDlyBF9TAzk
> 3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycw
> RzdGltZQMxMzMzNDAzMjQ0?o=6[7]
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMnRiMzIwBF9TAzk3M
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> EzMzM0MDMyNDQ-[9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/
> [10]
> http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZmdxbmVyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2M
> jgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMzMzQwMzI0NA--[14]
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69202 From: George Cohn Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
On 4/2/2012 3:04 PM, alizoo@... wrote:
> I should also say I do enjoy talk of other things - just not a scale person or interested
> in fancy sound boards etc.

As am I. I have all of the original Gilbert trains that my dad bought
for me for Christmas and birthdays back in the '50's and '60's.

I play with them from time to time because they are special and remind
me of my youth.

If I wanted Lionel, I would have told him to buy Lionel instead. :-)

I teach computer operating systems at the local community college and
the trains and erector sets are my way of relaxing and enjoying a
simpler time, and they remind me of what a great guy my father was.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 69203 From: D. Winslow Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
----- Original Message -----
From: George Cohn
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Recent Posts Related to Groups



On 4/2/2012 3:04 PM, alizoo@... wrote:
> I should also say I do enjoy talk of other things - just not a scale person or interested
> in fancy sound boards etc.

As am I. I have all of the original Gilbert trains that my dad bought
for me for Christmas and birthdays back in the '50's and '60's.

I play with them from time to time because they are special and remind
me of my youth.

If I wanted Lionel, I would have told him to buy Lionel instead. :-)

I teach computer operating systems at the local community college and
the trains and erector sets are my way of relaxing and enjoying a
simpler time, and they remind me of what a great guy my father was.

George Cohn



Hi George, your post is interesting to me, as
I spent my career in computers, have the
loco my Dad gave me, and I go back to my RR
project from time to time. Great to read of
people remembering their Dads as great guys.
Thanks, Dave W.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69204 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Baldwin Prototype
Frank:

All of the Baldwins in the Weyerhaeuser group photo have been "hot rodded". They have double stacks to reduce manifold pressure--supposedly for better performance. These units all have 6 cylinder engines. It's really wild to see these units at idle and even running when you see each cylinder fire in turn!

Please note: message attached

From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baldwin Prototype
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 10:40:41 -0700 (PDT)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69205 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
From:Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas

George,
Wish I could say that about my dad. At least he did get me my first AF set. It has the K-325 hudson.I dont remember the set number. That was up in the attic until I accidently found it and brought it down to my room. Now I have mostly newer stuff. I'll start saving money for our next 2 train shows: Fort Worth on Oct.30th, 31st and Plano Jan. 15th and 16th. Should find a steam engine or two.I did get a 752 Seaboard coaler from George Greenwood out of Franklin, Tennessee, that was at Plano. He had been visiting relatives in Houston and on his way home stoped there.
� Alan

________________________________
From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Recent Posts Related to Groups



 

On 4/2/2012 3:04 PM, alizoo@... wrote:
> I should also say I do enjoy talk of other things - just not a scale person or interested
> in fancy sound boards etc.

As am I. I have all of the original Gilbert trains that my dad bought
for me for Christmas and birthdays back in the '50's and '60's.

I play with them from time to time because they are special and remind
me of my youth.

If I wanted Lionel, I would have told him to buy Lionel instead. :-)

I teach computer operating systems at the local community college and
the trains and erector sets are my way of relaxing and enjoying a
simpler time, and they remind me of what a great guy my father was.

George Cohn



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69206 From: George Cohn Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
On 4/2/2012 4:34 PM, Alan Lambert wrote:
> From:Alan Lambert
> Fort Worth, Texas
> �
> George,
> Wish I could say that about my dad. At least he did get me my first AF
> set.

My dad started buying me AF trains in the early '50's He even bought
the AF display set #300 from Phelps Dodge Mercantile in 1954. I still
have it. The only thing that has went missing over the years is the
original tunnel. The first set he bought had the K335 locomotive.

I think he was actually just buying them for himself and "let" me play
with them.

He worked for Phelps Dodge Copper Company most of his life and they had
a huge open pit mine with lots of trains, all diesel. I think it was
just his way of having some toys but saying they were mine. :-)

I've added a few more over the years and have been planning to put the
display set up again and run it. I'm 66 now and he has been gone for 20
years but I appreciate all that he bought me and treasure them for the
memories they give me of him.

I get them out occasionally and run them on the floor. I wish I had
room for a permanent layout.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 69207 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
From: Alan Lambert
 
George,
 
Not living close to any railroad that I can remember was why I only got the one set. My cousin got a "Lionel" set and I wound up with the Flyer set. Don't have the original set box, bummer,  but I do have the original car  boxes and engine rap. I'm on your heels at 61. If I knew what I know now I would have a sizable collection myself. No telling what I would have done if I had found my set in the attic earlier than I did. I think I found it 5 years ago
                Aan


________________________________
From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Recent Posts Related to Groups



 

On 4/2/2012 4:34 PM, Alan Lambert wrote:
> From:Alan Lambert
> Fort Worth, Texas
> �
> George,
> Wish I could say that about my dad. At least he did get me my first AF
> set.

My dad started buying me AF trains in the early '50's He even bought
the AF display set #300 from Phelps Dodge Mercantile in 1954. I still
have it. The only thing that has went missing over the years is the
original tunnel. The first set he bought had the K335 locomotive.

I think he was actually just buying them for himself and "let" me play
with them.

He worked for Phelps Dodge Copper Company most of his life and they had
a huge open pit mine with lots of trains, all diesel. I think it was
just his way of having some toys but saying they were mine. :-)

I've added a few more over the years and have been planning to put the
display set up again and run it. I'm 66 now and he has been gone for 20
years but I appreciate all that he bought me and treasure them for the
memories they give me of him.

I get them out occasionally and run them on the floor. I wish I had
room for a permanent layout.

George Cohn



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69208 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Hi All,

Rick Gough noticed a K-Line barrel loader on one of my videos and asked if it was the Lionel fork truck accessory. It's not but I do have the Lionel 6-12798 fork truck pipe loader boxed up. I bought it to try on the layout but it is way too large. I took it out of the box, set it next to an AF boxcar and turned it on. You can see the video here and see just how out of scale it is:

http://youtu.be/b7q5iaGfLUk

It even looks large for O-gauge.

I gave $50 for it. If anyone is interested shoot me an offer.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69209 From: Frank Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Baldwin Prototype
I was amazed by the stacks.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 2, 2012, at 11:25 PM, "schwartzsj@..." <schwartzsj@...> wrote:

> Frank:
>
> All of the Baldwins in the Weyerhaeuser group photo have been "hot rodded". They have double stacks to reduce manifold pressure--supposedly for better performance. These units all have 6 cylinder engines. It's really wild to see these units at idle and even running when you see each cylinder fire in turn!
>
> Please note: message attached
>
> From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...>
> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baldwin Prototype
> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 10:40:41 -0700 (PDT)
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69210 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
I was lucky in that both my father & grandfather worked for the Jersey Central RR. My Dad bought 2 Flyer sets for Christmas 53 when I was born. Over the years we built several HO layouts as well . In his retirement he played with his trains almost daily. Unfortunately he passed away last July. I still have those 2 Flyer sets plus Dad's original train board.

Bob

Sent from my iPod

On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:46 PM, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:

> From: Alan Lambert
>
> George,
>
> Not living close to any railroad that I can remember was why I only got the one set. My cousin got a "Lionel" set and I wound up with the Flyer set. Don't have the original set box, bummer, but I do have the original car boxes and engine rap. I'm on your heels at 61. If I knew what I know now I would have a sizable collection myself. No telling what I would have done if I had found my set in the attic earlier than I did. I think I found it 5 years ago
> Aan
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 6:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Recent Posts Related to Groups
>
>
>
>
> On 4/2/2012 4:34 PM, Alan Lambert wrote:
> > From:Alan Lambert
> > Fort Worth, Texas
> > �
> > George,
> > Wish I could say that about my dad. At least he did get me my first AF
> > set.
>
> My dad started buying me AF trains in the early '50's He even bought
> the AF display set #300 from Phelps Dodge Mercantile in 1954. I still
> have it. The only thing that has went missing over the years is the
> original tunnel. The first set he bought had the K335 locomotive.
>
> I think he was actually just buying them for himself and "let" me play
> with them.
>
> He worked for Phelps Dodge Copper Company most of his life and they had
> a huge open pit mine with lots of trains, all diesel. I think it was
> just his way of having some toys but saying they were mine. :-)
>
> I've added a few more over the years and have been planning to put the
> display set up again and run it. I'm 66 now and he has been gone for 20
> years but I appreciate all that he bought me and treasure them for the
> memories they give me of him.
>
> I get them out occasionally and run them on the floor. I wish I had
> room for a permanent layout.
>
> George Cohn
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69211 From: sgaugian Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Center City Phila S-Gauge
Anyone aware of S-Gauge members or clubs in or nearby center city Philadelphia? Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69212 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
From: Alan Lambert
 
Bob,
I did have at one time an HO set that I think was A.C. Gilbert. I still have one flat car that has Made by the AC Gilbert co., but it is missing one set of wheels. I may still have the Diesel engine somewhere. Sounds like you have a good way of remembering your dad.
For that I would keep them.
� Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: Bob Hendrickson <canambob91710k@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Recent Posts Related to Groups



 

I was lucky in that both my father & grandfather worked for the Jersey Central RR. My Dad bought 2 Flyer sets for Christmas 53 when I was born. Over the years we built several HO layouts as well . In his retirement he played with his trains almost daily. Unfortunately he passed away last July. I still have those 2 Flyer sets plus Dad's original train board.

Bob

Sent from my iPod

On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:46 PM, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:

> From: Alan Lambert
>
> George,
>
> Not living close to any railroad that I can remember was why I only got the one set. My cousin got a "Lionel" set and I wound up with the Flyer set. Don't have the original set box, bummer, but I do have the original car boxes and engine rap. I'm on your heels at 61. If I knew what I know now I would have a sizable collection myself. No telling what I would have done if I had found my set in the attic earlier than I did. I think I found it 5 years ago
> Aan
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 6:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Recent Posts Related to Groups
>
>
>
>
> On 4/2/2012 4:34 PM, Alan Lambert wrote:
> > From:Alan Lambert
> > Fort Worth, Texas
> > �
> > George,
> > Wish I could say that about my dad. At least he did get me my first AF
> > set.
>
> My dad started buying me AF trains in the early '50's He even bought
> the AF display set #300 from Phelps Dodge Mercantile in 1954. I still
> have it. The only thing that has went missing over the years is the
> original tunnel. The first set he bought had the K335 locomotive.
>
> I think he was actually just buying them for himself and "let" me play
> with them.
>
> He worked for Phelps Dodge Copper Company most of his life and they had
> a huge open pit mine with lots of trains, all diesel. I think it was
> just his way of having some toys but saying they were mine. :-)
>
> I've added a few more over the years and have been planning to put the
> display set up again and run it. I'm 66 now and he has been gone for 20
> years but I appreciate all that he bought me and treasure them for the
> memories they give me of him.
>
> I get them out occasionally and run them on the floor. I wish I had
> room for a permanent layout.
>
> George Cohn
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69213 From: barb Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Two Trains Running on the Layout
David,

Sorry about the typing error. Can't blame it on too much wine.
I wrote it in the morning. :-)

12' x 12' is a respectable size. It looks great. I've learned a bunch
from watching your layout go together.

Thanks and keep working at it. After all, a layout is never finished,
right?

Barb



Re: Two trains running on the layout
Posted by: "bull_gator_1" bull_gator_1@... bull_gator_1
Mon Apr 2, 2012 7:47 am (PDT)


Hi Barb,

How "but" is my layout? It's a-"but" 12' x 12'. lol

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Great job on the layout! You have packed lots of great stuff into a
> limited space. How but is your layout?
>
> Barb
>
>
> Video - Two Trains Running on the Layout
> Posted by: "bull_gator_1" bull_gator_1@... bull_gator_1
> Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:56 am (PDT)
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Here is an AFL Silver Flash passenger train and a freight train being pulled by an American Models Southern Crescent Limited 4-6-2 steam locomotive on my under construction S-Gauge layout.
>
> You can view the YouTube video here: http://youtu.be/3E7LBQ5nsFc
>
> Have fun and view my other videos!
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69214 From: rapidrail1 Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
You know, if you really wanted to use this thing, you could either lower it into your table top or raise the track a little. Myself, I have enough accessories. My favorite is still the billboard whistle. I wish someone would come out with a replacement power to include a can motor and gearing system that is not so loud you can actually hear the whistle.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Rick Gough noticed a K-Line barrel loader on one of my videos and asked if it was the Lionel fork truck accessory. It's not but I do have the Lionel 6-12798 fork truck pipe loader boxed up. I bought it to try on the layout but it is way too large. I took it out of the box, set it next to an AF boxcar and turned it on. You can see the video here and see just how out of scale it is:
>
> http://youtu.be/b7q5iaGfLUk
>
> It even looks large for O-gauge.
>
> I gave $50 for it. If anyone is interested shoot me an offer.
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69215 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
George,

Interesting revelation regarding your Dad. He sounds like my Dad. I bet if you polled a lot of guys, you'd probably hear about their Dads buying them trains when they were actually too young to operate them. I still have the Rocket diesel set my Dad bought for me, along with a few accessories, the 19B transformer, switches, track, and rubber roadbed. He also made a revolving beacon from scratch, using a Colber revolving beacon and dimple bulb. He built the layout himself (20' long, 8' wide, two level) in our basement. He bought a 326 Hudson set for my brother as well (who wasn't even born yet). How old was I when he bought the Rocket diesel set from Nicholas Smith (a train shop in Philly) in '53? Two. Now, he was either getting the layout ready for us for later use (doubt it) or he was living out his childhood (bet on it). Regardless, we started playing with "our" trains when we were about 10 and seven years old, respectively. Was my Dad a good Dad? You bet your life he was. He let us play with his toys, and when they rounded a corner too fast and fell off the table onto the concrete floor, he didn't beat us or berate us. He just told us to be a little more careful. Of course, they were just toys back then, not collectibles. I doubt I would have the same patience with my kids.

Bruce DeGailler



From: George Cohn
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 4:55 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Recent Posts Related to Groups


My dad started buying me AF trains in the early '50's He even bought
the AF display set #300 from Phelps Dodge Mercantile in 1954. I still
have it. The only thing that has went missing over the years is the
original tunnel. The first set he bought had the K335 locomotive.

I think he was actually just buying them for himself and "let" me play
with them.

He worked for Phelps Dodge Copper Company most of his life and they had
a huge open pit mine with lots of trains, all diesel. I think it was
just his way of having some toys but saying they were mine. :-)

I've added a few more over the years and have been planning to put the
display set up again and run it. I'm 66 now and he has been gone for 20
years but I appreciate all that he bought me and treasure them for the
memories they give me of him.

I get them out occasionally and run them on the floor. I wish I had
room for a permanent layout.

George Cohn



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69216 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Too many Yahoo Groups?
The comment earlier about there being too many websites for S gauge got me to thinking...how many are there? A quick look at just Yahoo alone turned up 41 S related Yahoo Groups!

Of the 41 Groups, 1 listed isn't actually train related, 13 are dead, having no posts for over a year, some seeing no action as far back as 2006! Why are these even still listed by Yahoo?

One Group which seems timely is called "Complainers using S Gauge," but it has just one member and no activity so far.

Eleven more Yahoo Groups are club sites, 3 are businesses, and 6 are only semi-active showing limited use within the past six months.

S Trains is the most active, and has the most members by a HUGE margin. It is also the only Group for all of S gauge, no doubt the reason for the high member numbers. The others are specific to different segments of the hobby.

Therefore, it is obvious that many members of S Trains are also involved with more than one Group. Over two dozen are functioning to some degree! And I have no doubt that others will pop up!

Actually, I don't see a problem with this as everyone has certain interests within the hobby. Nobody HAS to subscribe to them all, just pick out the ones that interest you and enjoy them. Be glad we have such choices!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69217 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Too many Yahoo Groups?
I try to stay on top of the various Yahoo "S" related groups for the
NASG web site:

http://www.nasg.org/AF/index.htm#discussion

http://www.nasg.org/Scale/index.htm#discussion

Also some S clubs maintain their own Yahoo discussion groups.

Enjoy,
- Peter.



On 04/03/2012 12:22 am, mrstumpy50 wrote:
> The comment earlier about there being too many websites for S gauge got me to thinking...how many are there? A quick look at just Yahoo alone turned up 41 S related Yahoo Groups!
>
> Of the 41 Groups, 1 listed isn't actually train related, 13 are dead, having no posts for over a year, some seeing no action as far back as 2006! Why are these even still listed by Yahoo?
>
> One Group which seems timely is called "Complainers using S Gauge," but it has just one member and no activity so far.
>
> Eleven more Yahoo Groups are club sites, 3 are businesses, and 6 are only semi-active showing limited use within the past six months.
>
> S Trains is the most active, and has the most members by a HUGE margin. It is also the only Group for all of S gauge, no doubt the reason for the high member numbers. The others are specific to different segments of the hobby.
>
> Therefore, it is obvious that many members of S Trains are also involved with more than one Group. Over two dozen are functioning to some degree! And I have no doubt that others will pop up!
>
> Actually, I don't see a problem with this as everyone has certain interests within the hobby. Nobody HAS to subscribe to them all, just pick out the ones that interest you and enjoy them. Be glad we have such choices!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>

--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
http://nasg.org/
--


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69218 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Too many Yahoo Groups?
From: Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth, Texas

Stumpy,

Your last sentence says it all, "Nobody�HAS to subscribe to them all." It is one way to thin the herd. the clutter on this list drives people away to other groups or they start a new one to get away from the mess.  Now back to trains. Iam building the Altoon Model Works water tower. Pictures will not be posted.
Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 12:22 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Too many Yahoo Groups?



 

The comment earlier about there being too many websites for S gauge got me to thinking...how many are there? A quick look at just Yahoo alone turned up 41 S related Yahoo Groups!

Of the 41 Groups, 1 listed isn't actually train related, 13 are dead, having no posts for over a year, some seeing no action as far back as 2006! Why are these even still listed by Yahoo?

One Group which seems timely is called "Complainers using S Gauge," but it has just one member and no activity so far.

Eleven more Yahoo Groups are club sites, 3 are businesses, and 6 are only semi-active showing limited use within the past six months.

S Trains is the most active, and has the most members by a HUGE margin. It is also the only Group for all of S gauge, no doubt the reason for the high member numbers. The others are specific to different segments of the hobby.

Therefore, it is obvious that many members of S Trains are also involved with more than one Group. Over two dozen are functioning to some degree! And I have no doubt that others will pop up!

Actually, I don't see a problem with this as everyone has certain interests within the hobby. Nobody HAS to subscribe to them all, just pick out the ones that interest you and enjoy them. Be glad we have such choices!
Stumpy in Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69219 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Hi Wayne,

Yes one could lower this accessory into the layout, raise the track or some of both. I tinkered around with it on a section of test track and it can be set at track height and look a lot better. But the warehouse would still be so large that it would stick out even on my non-scale layout. I do like the pipe loading animation -it's pretty neat. If someone took the time to cut the warehouse down to a reasonable height it might fit in. Where's my chainsaw???

David


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote:
>
> You know, if you really wanted to use this thing, you could either lower it into your table top or raise the track a little. Myself, I have enough accessories. My favorite is still the billboard whistle. I wish someone would come out with a replacement power to include a can motor and gearing system that is not so loud you can actually hear the whistle.
>
> Wayne
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Rick Gough noticed a K-Line barrel loader on one of my videos and asked if it was the Lionel fork truck accessory. It's not but I do have the Lionel 6-12798 fork truck pipe loader boxed up. I bought it to try on the layout but it is way too large. I took it out of the box, set it next to an AF boxcar and turned it on. You can see the video here and see just how out of scale it is:
> >
> > http://youtu.be/b7q5iaGfLUk
> >
> > It even looks large for O-gauge.
> >
> > I gave $50 for it. If anyone is interested shoot me an offer.
> >
> > David
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69220 From: JOHN Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Respectable "butt" size
Barb, thanks for the comic relief from all the serious China Flyer Discussions. You have brighten up my mornings. Can anyuone tell me what is a "respectable" size layout. When mine is finished it should be about 9X14. That is less square footage than a 12X12. A lot bigger than my butt but not a respectable size. Curious minds want to know!
Jack
Group: S-Trains Message: 69221 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
From: Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth, Texas
Wayne,
All joking aside, Let Lionel Know what they need to come out with. You Know they are trying, they just need people. Then the joke may be on us. They may start�a rerun process on the accessories that are hard to find. Just my thoughts.
� Alan


________________________________
From: rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 5:51 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video



 

You know, if you really wanted to use this thing, you could either lower it into your table top or raise the track a little. Myself, I have enough accessories. My favorite is still the billboard whistle. I wish someone would come out with a replacement power to include a can motor and gearing system that is not so loud you can actually hear the whistle.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Rick Gough noticed a K-Line barrel loader on one of my videos and asked if it was the Lionel fork truck accessory. It's not but I do have the Lionel 6-12798 fork truck pipe loader boxed up. I bought it to try on the layout but it is way too large. I took it out of the box, set it next to an AF boxcar and turned it on. You can see the video here and see just how out of scale it is:
>
> http://youtu.be/b7q5iaGfLUk
>
> It even looks large for O-gauge.
>
> I gave $50 for it. If anyone is interested shoot me an offer.
>
> David
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69222 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Recent Posts Related to Groups
I agree completely even though I am also a scaler. I have expanded with
some AM, SHS and other scale but keep the original AF in pristine
condition except for converting all to DC.

My dad bought me my first AF set for Christmas 4 months BEFORE I was
born. Now that is confidence I would be a boy.

As a kid I had a full bedroom in an old farmhouse for my layout. My mom
even painted the scenery on the walls.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 4/2/2012 7:00 PM, George Cohn wrote:
>
> On 4/2/2012 3:04 PM, alizoo@... <mailto:alizoo%40kern.com.au>
> wrote:
> > I should also say I do enjoy talk of other things - just not a scale
> person or interested
> > in fancy sound boards etc.
>
> As am I. I have all of the original Gilbert trains that my dad bought
> for me for Christmas and birthdays back in the '50's and '60's.
>
> I play with them from time to time because they are special and remind
> me of my youth.
>
> If I wanted Lionel, I would have told him to buy Lionel instead. :-)
>
> I teach computer operating systems at the local community college and
> the trains and erector sets are my way of relaxing and enjoying a
> simpler time, and they remind me of what a great guy my father was.
>
> George Cohn
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69223 From: Timboy Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Too many Yahoo Groups?
Stumpy,

And that is just the groups for S on Yahoo! There are also these groups I am aware of:

1) S Gauge Forum on the O Gauge Mother Ship:
http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForum/forum/2415514336485215

2) S Gauge on the HO Gauge Mother Ship:
http://www.modeltrainforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=37

3) Classic Toy Trains:
http://cs.trains.com/TRCCS/forums/95.aspx

4) American Flyer Trains on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/11332432410/

5) S Scale Model Railroading on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Sscale/

6) S Scale on the TrainWeb:
http://www.railforum.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/forum/28.html

Of all the above, the only truly active one I see for our gauge is #1 above. But these are only the ones I am aware of.

Of course, there is a plethora of web sites which if I read all the previous posts, has not been a part of this discussion.

ARE THERE ANY MORE?

Regards,
Timboy - List Owner of Lionel-Flyer: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lionel-Flyer/


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> The comment earlier about there being too many websites for S gauge got me to thinking...how many are there? A quick look at just Yahoo alone turned up 41 S related Yahoo Groups!
>
> Of the 41 Groups, 1 listed isn't actually train related, 13 are dead, having no posts for over a year, some seeing no action as far back as 2006! Why are these even still listed by Yahoo?
>
> One Group which seems timely is called "Complainers using S Gauge," but it has just one member and no activity so far.
>
> Eleven more Yahoo Groups are club sites, 3 are businesses, and 6 are only semi-active showing limited use within the past six months.
>
> S Trains is the most active, and has the most members by a HUGE margin. It is also the only Group for all of S gauge, no doubt the reason for the high member numbers. The others are specific to different segments of the hobby.
>
> Therefore, it is obvious that many members of S Trains are also involved with more than one Group. Over two dozen are functioning to some degree! And I have no doubt that others will pop up!
>
> Actually, I don't see a problem with this as everyone has certain interests within the hobby. Nobody HAS to subscribe to them all, just pick out the ones that interest you and enjoy them. Be glad we have such choices!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69224 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
The SnS can motors for steam engines will fit the Bbd Whistles as well !

We tried it.....it works.



<<<My favorite is still the billboard whistle. I wish someone would come
out with a replacement power to include a can motor and gearing system
that is not so loud you can actually hear the whistle.>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 69225 From: David Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: DREYFUSS BOILER FACE (NEW) Advertisement
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elusive DREYFUSS streamlined boiler face. This new item is made to
receive a 3mm LED light and will fit, with a very little filing, most
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this item will permit most skilled kit bashers to finally start their
very own NYC DREYFUSS streamlined E&T unit.

To view / purchase this new boiler face please use the link below.
The first shipping date is 05-01-2012 and no earlier. This will be "A
VERY LIMITED PRODUCTION ITEM" so don't be left out, order early.

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dave@...
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/post?postID=CanSlplV5Erb\
C0LKfDuQ66ISrm_aekZe805lt4yOHG8KpeJBperSODsP-jSovaVwA61xcDOQoYaZ2mxr11Nm\
tw>

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69226 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
From: Alan Lambert
�Fort Worth, Texas

David,
Timboy has already showed how to do it . He did it with the Barrel loader. It is on his blog.
Thanks,
Alan


________________________________
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video



 

Hi Wayne,

Yes one could lower this accessory into the layout, raise the track or some of both. I tinkered around with it on a section of test track and it can be set at track height and look a lot better. But the warehouse would still be so large that it would stick out even on my non-scale layout. I do like the pipe loading animation -it's pretty neat. If someone took the time to cut the warehouse down to a reasonable height it might fit in. Where's my chainsaw???

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote:
>
> You know, if you really wanted to use this thing, you could either lower it into your table top or raise the track a little. Myself, I have enough accessories. My favorite is still the billboard whistle. I wish someone would come out with a replacement power to include a can motor and gearing system that is not so loud you can actually hear the whistle.
>
> Wayne
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Rick Gough noticed a K-Line barrel loader on one of my videos and asked if it was the Lionel fork truck accessory. It's not but I do have the Lionel 6-12798 fork truck pipe loader boxed up. I bought it to try on the layout but it is way too large. I took it out of the box, set it next to an AF boxcar and turned it on. You can see the video here and see just how out of scale it is:
> >
> > http://youtu.be/b7q5iaGfLUk
> >
> > It even looks large for O-gauge.
> >
> > I gave $50 for it. If anyone is interested shoot me an offer.
> >
> > David
> >
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69227 From: Timboy Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Here's a direct link to it:

http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/

Thanks,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
>  Fort Worth, Texas
>  
> David,
> Timboy has already showed how to do it . He did it with the Barrel loader. It is on his blog.
> Thanks,
> Alan
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 8:37 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
>
>
>
>  
>
> Hi Wayne,
>
> Yes one could lower this accessory into the layout, raise the track or some of both. I tinkered around with it on a section of test track and it can be set at track height and look a lot better. But the warehouse would still be so large that it would stick out even on my non-scale layout. I do like the pipe loading animation -it's pretty neat. If someone took the time to cut the warehouse down to a reasonable height it might fit in. Where's my chainsaw???
>
> David
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@> wrote:
> >
> > You know, if you really wanted to use this thing, you could either lower it into your table top or raise the track a little. Myself, I have enough accessories. My favorite is still the billboard whistle. I wish someone would come out with a replacement power to include a can motor and gearing system that is not so loud you can actually hear the whistle.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Rick Gough noticed a K-Line barrel loader on one of my videos and asked if it was the Lionel fork truck accessory. It's not but I do have the Lionel 6-12798 fork truck pipe loader boxed up. I bought it to try on the layout but it is way too large. I took it out of the box, set it next to an AF boxcar and turned it on. You can see the video here and see just how out of scale it is:
> > >
> > > http://youtu.be/b7q5iaGfLUk
> > >
> > > It even looks large for O-gauge.
> > >
> > > I gave $50 for it. If anyone is interested shoot me an offer.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69228 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
From; Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club

Timboy,
Thanks for coming to my aid. I did not have that link handy when I sent the e-mail out. I like what you did and might do something like it for mine.
Thanks,
Alan


________________________________
From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 10:26 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video



 

Here's a direct link to it:

http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/

Thanks,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
>  Fort Worth, Texas
>  
> David,
> Timboy has already showed how to do it . He did it with the Barrel loader. It is on his blog.
> Thanks,
> Alan
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 8:37 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
>
>
>
>  
>
> Hi Wayne,
>
> Yes one could lower this accessory into the layout, raise the track or some of both. I tinkered around with it on a section of test track and it can be set at track height and look a lot better. But the warehouse would still be so large that it would stick out even on my non-scale layout. I do like the pipe loading animation -it's pretty neat. If someone took the time to cut the warehouse down to a reasonable height it might fit in. Where's my chainsaw???
>
> David
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@> wrote:
> >
> > You know, if you really wanted to use this thing, you could either lower it into your table top or raise the track a little. Myself, I have enough accessories. My favorite is still the billboard whistle. I wish someone would come out with a replacement power to include a can motor and gearing system that is not so loud you can actually hear the whistle.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Rick Gough noticed a K-Line barrel loader on one of my videos and asked if it was the Lionel fork truck accessory. It's not but I do have the Lionel 6-12798 fork truck pipe loader boxed up. I bought it to try on the layout but it is way too large. I took it out of the box, set it next to an AF boxcar and turned it on. You can see the video here and see just how out of scale it is:
> > >
> > > http://youtu.be/b7q5iaGfLUk
> > >
> > > It even looks large for O-gauge.
> > >
> > > I gave $50 for it. If anyone is interested shoot me an offer.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69229 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Hi Tim,

The Lionel fork lift pipe factory accessory has a HUGE warehouse. It dwarfs everything. I'll put a scale ruler on it and give some dimensions. To have it "fit in" to S I think it needs to either have the warehouse bashed to a much smaller size or bashed to become two stories.

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
> Here's a direct link to it:
>
> http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/
>
> Thanks,
> Timboy
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@> wrote:
> >
> > From: Alan Lambert
> >  Fort Worth, Texas
> >  
> > David,
> > Timboy has already showed how to do it . He did it with the Barrel loader. It is on his blog.
> > Thanks,
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 8:37 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > Hi Wayne,
> >
> > Yes one could lower this accessory into the layout, raise the track or some of both. I tinkered around with it on a section of test track and it can be set at track height and look a lot better. But the warehouse would still be so large that it would stick out even on my non-scale layout. I do like the pipe loading animation -it's pretty neat. If someone took the time to cut the warehouse down to a reasonable height it might fit in. Where's my chainsaw???
> >
> > David
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You know, if you really wanted to use this thing, you could either lower it into your table top or raise the track a little. Myself, I have enough accessories. My favorite is still the billboard whistle. I wish someone would come out with a replacement power to include a can motor and gearing system that is not so loud you can actually hear the whistle.
> > >
> > > Wayne
> > >
> > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Rick Gough noticed a K-Line barrel loader on one of my videos and asked if it was the Lionel fork truck accessory. It's not but I do have the Lionel 6-12798 fork truck pipe loader boxed up. I bought it to try on the layout but it is way too large. I took it out of the box, set it next to an AF boxcar and turned it on. You can see the video here and see just how out of scale it is:
> > > >
> > > > http://youtu.be/b7q5iaGfLUk
> > > >
> > > > It even looks large for O-gauge.
> > > >
> > > > I gave $50 for it. If anyone is interested shoot me an offer.
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69230 From: Timboy Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Thanks guys,

I don't think strict adherance to scale is nearly as important as the impression a piece gives. I doubt that anything I try to represent would pass even a loose evaluation to true scale. But what I try to do is to give it a plausibility in relation to all the other more or less out of scale stuff on my layout. Does that make sense?

-Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> The Lionel fork lift pipe factory accessory has a HUGE warehouse. It dwarfs everything. I'll put a scale ruler on it and give some dimensions. To have it "fit in" to S I think it needs to either have the warehouse bashed to a much smaller size or bashed to become two stories.
>
> David
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@> wrote:
> >
> > Here's a direct link to it:
> >
> > http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Timboy
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Alan Lambert
> > >  Fort Worth, Texas
> > >  
> > > David,
> > > Timboy has already showed how to do it . He did it with the Barrel loader. It is on his blog.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Alan
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@>
> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 8:37 AM
> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Hi Wayne,
> > >
> > > Yes one could lower this accessory into the layout, raise the track or some of both. I tinkered around with it on a section of test track and it can be set at track height and look a lot better. But the warehouse would still be so large that it would stick out even on my non-scale layout. I do like the pipe loading animation -it's pretty neat. If someone took the time to cut the warehouse down to a reasonable height it might fit in. Where's my chainsaw???
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You know, if you really wanted to use this thing, you could either lower it into your table top or raise the track a little. Myself, I have enough accessories. My favorite is still the billboard whistle. I wish someone would come out with a replacement power to include a can motor and gearing system that is not so loud you can actually hear the whistle.
> > > >
> > > > Wayne
> > > >
> > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick Gough noticed a K-Line barrel loader on one of my videos and asked if it was the Lionel fork truck accessory. It's not but I do have the Lionel 6-12798 fork truck pipe loader boxed up. I bought it to try on the layout but it is way too large. I took it out of the box, set it next to an AF boxcar and turned it on. You can see the video here and see just how out of scale it is:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://youtu.be/b7q5iaGfLUk
> > > > >
> > > > > It even looks large for O-gauge.
> > > > >
> > > > > I gave $50 for it. If anyone is interested shoot me an offer.
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69231 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Your wish has come true. That is one of the services we offer at SnS Trains

Steve


In a message dated 4/3/2012 5:13:48 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
beachy3929@... writes:

You know, if you really wanted to use this thing, you could either lower
it into your table top or raise the track a little. Myself, I have enough
accessories. My favorite is still the billboard whistle. I wish someone would
come out with a replacement power to include a can motor and gearing
system that is not so loud you can actually hear the whistle.

Wayne



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69232 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
From: Alan Lambert

Timboy,

You make a good point. I wonder how many scale guys go as far as nailhead detail on wood siding on some of thier older house models.
They already complain about rivits.
� Alan


________________________________
From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 12:23 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video



 

Thanks guys,

I don't think strict adherance to scale is nearly as important as the impression a piece gives. I doubt that anything I try to represent would pass even a loose evaluation to true scale. But what I try to do is to give it a plausibility in relation to all the other more or less out of scale stuff on my layout. Does that make sense?

-Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69233 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Hey Alan,

You need to give them a little break here. Collectors go bonkers if an
old piece has some touch up paint or a non-original bell. Heaven help us
if a frame has been swapped. The scale guys are just finding a way to
enjoy the railway history and artistic part of toy trains. I think there
are many ways to win.

When I was the Model Contest Chair for the SSR of the NMRA, all of those
details and far more would be documented and included. I can recall
published articles about the best way to model and to weather nail
holes. For those folks, that is a big part of the fun.

Bill (not doing that stuff much any more but I respect the ones who do)

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 4/3/2012 2:05 PM, Alan Lambert wrote:
> From: Alan Lambert
>
> Timboy,
> �
> You make a good point. I wonder how many scale guys go as far as nailhead detail on wood siding on some of thier older house models.
> They already complain about rivits.
> � Alan
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69234 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Perfect sense.

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 4/3/2012 1:23 PM, Timboy wrote:
> Thanks guys,
>
> I don't think strict adherance to scale is nearly as important as the impression a piece gives. I doubt that anything I try to represent would pass even a loose evaluation to true scale. But what I try to do is to give it a plausibility in relation to all the other more or less out of scale stuff on my layout. Does that make sense?
>
> -Timboy
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69235 From: Lon Walker Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
   Hi Bill,   I am not a scale guy mostly out of laziness probably. I too respect what they do to enjoy the hobby in their own way. I was working on some cars last night trying to get the trucks to stay on when a question came into my mind. Do any of the scale guys go as far as somehow leaving the cars just resting on the trucks as on the prototype? Just a thought. Lon Walker


________________________________
From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video


 
Hey Alan,

You need to give them a little break here. Collectors go bonkers if an
old piece has some touch up paint or a non-original bell. Heaven help us
if a frame has been swapped. The scale guys are just finding a way to
enjoy the railway history and artistic part of toy trains. I think there
are many ways to win.

When I was the Model Contest Chair for the SSR of the NMRA, all of those
details and far more would be documented and included. I can recall
published articles about the best way to model and to weather nail
holes. For those folks, that is a big part of the fun.

Bill (not doing that stuff much any more but I respect the ones who do)

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 4/3/2012 2:05 PM, Alan Lambert wrote:
> From: Alan Lambert
>
> Timboy,
> �
> You make a good point. I wonder how many scale guys go as far as nailhead detail on wood siding on some of thier older house models.
> They already complain about rivits.
> � Alan
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69236 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas

Lon,
most of them use  flatwashersthat are bigger than the ones that come with the trucks To be sure look at the screwhole to make sure the flatwasher is not falling through the truck. I had the sme problem with one of my SHS hoppers (Bruster).I contacted Don, and he sent me some bigger washer with longer screws. I am not a scale guy  either but lerk on that list , and they had been some talk about the rivit patern and size.. I was in no way nocking them. Collectors can always find another car or engine .
Alan


________________________________
From: Lon Walker <wlon17@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video



 

   Hi Bill,   I am not a scale guy mostly out of laziness probably. I too respect what they do to enjoy the hobby in their own way. I was working on some cars last night trying to get the trucks to stay on when a question came into my mind. Do any of the scale guys go as far as somehow leaving the cars just resting on the trucks as on the prototype? Just a thought. Lon Walker

________________________________
From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video

 
Hey Alan,

You need to give them a little break here. Collectors go bonkers if an
old piece has some touch up paint or a non-original bell. Heaven help us
if a frame has been swapped. The scale guys are just finding a way to
enjoy the railway history and artistic part of toy trains. I think there
are many ways to win.

When I was the Model Contest Chair for the SSR of the NMRA, all of those
details and far more would be documented and included. I can recall
published articles about the best way to model and to weather nail
holes. For those folks, that is a big part of the fun.

Bill (not doing that stuff much any more but I respect the ones who do)

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 4/3/2012 2:05 PM, Alan Lambert wrote:
> From: Alan Lambert
>
> Timboy,
> �
> You make a good point. I wonder how many scale guys go as far as nailhead detail on wood siding on some of thier older house models.
> They already complain about rivits.
> � Alan
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69237 From: Tom Hawley Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Attaching trucks to cars
----- Original Message -----
From: Lon Walker
. . . . . . .Do any of the scale guys go as far as somehow leaving the cars
just resting on the trucks as on the prototype? . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > >
I have done that, but some people find it a little irritating when I bring
such cars to club layout setups.

But sometimes you need at least one truck screwed down tight, then back the
screw off slightly, to keep the car from wobbling. Real RR cars have side
bearings. Ours may have them simulated, but they usually don't actually
bear any weight.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 69238 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Attaching trucks to cars
OH NO! Do you mean to tell me that there isn't a deep pit somewhere that has a group of strong guys with a giant screwdriver putting huge screws into the bolsters of real rolling stock?

Next you'll be telling me that cars aren't uncoupled buy large steel fins between the rails at strategic points, that rise up electrically and uncouple the cars!

Or that cattle don't vibrate as they slide around the corral and into the cattle car! That's how milkshakes are made, right?

I am shocked! SHOCKED I tell you! My world will never be the same! :-)
Stumpy in Ahia...waxing sarcastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 69239 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
I never saw that and I do not recall ever seeing anyone make a model
using scale thickness materials. In fact, usually, the sides of model
cars and such are extremely flat - nearly optical. In life, the sheet
steel has all sorts of ripples and wrinkles. There are other things that
are very hard to express in miniature or just not done. I got in trouble
from time to time mentioning such stuff to "serious scale" folks. But, I
digress.

From time to time, some of my trucks would lose the retaining pin and
just fall off when moved. Does that count?

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 4/3/2012 4:33 PM, Lon Walker wrote:
> Hi Bill, I am not a scale guy mostly out of laziness probably. I too respect what they do to enjoy the hobby in their own way. I was working on some cars last night trying to get the trucks to stay on when a question came into my mind. Do any of the scale guys go as far as somehow leaving the cars just resting on the trucks as on the prototype? Just a thought. Lon Walker
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69240 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: DREYFUSS BOILER FACE (NEW) Advertisement
David,
I'll be placing my order shortly!!

Neil

--- On Tue, 4/3/12, David <reujan2000@...> wrote:

From: David <reujan2000@...>
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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69241 From: plotnick@earthlink.net Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider runs slow
Still looking for help/advice on this. I just opened it up to take a look. It reminds me of why I used to fix my 1969 Dodge Dart, but my new car gets taken to a mechanic. Anything obvious to look for, or do I need to find a Lionel repair shop? - Ro

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, plotnick@... wrote:
>
> At last weekend's train show, my Lionel Docksider began to run much slower than it had before. At home, it still ran slow after I lubricated the wheels and rods. I have no experience doing repairs on Flyonel engines. Any suggestions? BTW, the club AC system runs up to 18W. - Thanks! - Roy
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69242 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider runs slow
All you can really do is to figure out the basics; Are the pick up rollers clean? Are they making contact to the electrical parts of the locomotive? Are there any loose wires? Is there a bare wire that could cause a short?

Other than basic things, you're into either a bad motor or the circuit board. If the board is bad, it's best described as; "This device has no customer repairable components."

Chances are that if you have to ship the loco, an Authorized Lionel Service Station will want as about as much to replace the circuit board as you paid for the locomotive. However, Docksiders are advertised for about $100. for a new one, so they are easily replaced. Sometimes you can find them for less. I got mine from a hobby shop that was closing for $60. and they pop up elsewhere from time to time too.

Actually, for a "bottom of the barrel" Flyonel loco, these aren't bad little engines! They are cheap and toy like, and "get no respect" because of that. But there is potential there, not just as a basic "set" loco, but for kit bashing. I run straight DC power and did away with the electronics, a warrantee "capital offense!" But it's run for hours and smokes well! I've even thought about getting another one and building a low drivered articulated logging locomotive under a Gilbert #282 boiler shell.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69243 From: ken garber Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: Attaching trucks to cars
> 6b. Attaching trucks to cars
> Posted by: "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... mrstumpy50
> Date: Tue Apr 3, 2012 3:53 pm ((PDT))
>
> Or that cattle don't vibrate as they slide around the corral and into the
> cattle car! That's how milkshakes are made, right?
>
> I think that's how they make butter.

:)

KG


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69244 From: rapidrail1 Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
Thanks Alan and all.

I thought about writing Lionel, but can only find contact information for the service Dept. How does one write the marketing Dept.?

Doug. I'm glad to hear that the SNS motor fits the whistle. But is that not a DC motor? How does one run it off the AC accessory posts? Then that still leaves the noisy gearing.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
>   Fort Worth, Texas
> Wayne,
> All joking aside, Let Lionel Know what they need to come out with. You Know they are trying, they just need people. Then the joke may be on us. They may start a rerun process on the accessories that are hard to find. Just my thoughts.
>   Alan
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 5:51 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Animated Fork Lift Loader Station Video
>
>
>
>  
>
> You know, if you really wanted to use this thing, you could either lower it into your table top or raise the track a little. Myself, I have enough accessories. My favorite is still the billboard whistle. I wish someone would come out with a replacement power to include a can motor and gearing system that is not so loud you can actually hear the whistle.
>
> Wayne
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Rick Gough noticed a K-Line barrel loader on one of my videos and asked if it was the Lionel fork truck accessory. It's not but I do have the Lionel 6-12798 fork truck pipe loader boxed up. I bought it to try on the layout but it is way too large. I took it out of the box, set it next to an AF boxcar and turned it on. You can see the video here and see just how out of scale it is:
> >
> > http://youtu.be/b7q5iaGfLUk
> >
> > It even looks large for O-gauge.
> >
> > I gave $50 for it. If anyone is interested shoot me an offer.
> >
> > David
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69245 From: R G Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider runs slow
I Agree with Mrstumpy however you can remove the circuit board and install a Dalee e-unit for less than $40.00 as long as the motor is good and continue to run on AC power.



________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 9:59 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Lionel Docksider runs slow


 
All you can really do is to figure out the basics; Are the pick up rollers clean? Are they making contact to the electrical parts of the locomotive? Are there any loose wires? Is there a bare wire that could cause a short?

Other than basic things, you're into either a bad motor or the circuit board. If the board is bad, it's best described as; "This device has no customer repairable components."

Chances are that if you have to ship the loco, an Authorized Lionel Service Station will want as about as much to replace the circuit board as you paid for the locomotive. However, Docksiders are advertised for about $100. for a new one, so they are easily replaced. Sometimes you can find them for less. I got mine from a hobby shop that was closing for $60. and they pop up elsewhere from time to time too.

Actually, for a "bottom of the barrel" Flyonel loco, these aren't bad little engines! They are cheap and toy like, and "get no respect" because of that. But there is potential there, not just as a basic "set" loco, but for kit bashing. I run straight DC power and did away with the electronics, a warrantee "capital offense!" But it's run for hours and smokes well! I've even thought about getting another one and building a low drivered articulated logging locomotive under a Gilbert #282 boiler shell.
Stumpy in Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69246 From: Rich Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Docksider runs slow
I also have one of these (and it runs fine last time I had it out on the rails) - and like Stumpy said, its a pretty sweet, basic loco - that, at least in my case, smokes up a storm. Too bad my Flyonel Mike doesn't do the same thing.

All that said, I haven't had mine apart, so at the risk of winging it a bit here... I'm not sure that a bad board would cause the kind of 'slow' failure you report. I tend to think of board (or component) failures as being binary - either ok or nfg. However, I will defer to wiser heads. I also haven't much experience with can motors in terms of repair. Should one oil the shaft ends where they come out of the can? I assume these are bushings and not bearings? Maybe one of the SnS guys can tell us. [one of the disadvantages - at least for me - of can motors over the old open frame ACG motors that the old motors can be field stripped down to basic components in about 20 minutes... and one can easily check electrical continuities, replace brushes, etc. I'm not sure there are any serviceable parts inside a can motor - or at least I don't know how to do it.]

One thing you might try with it apart is to pull off the side and connecting rods and see if just the basic motor-gear-drive wheel systems works ok. Its possible that there is some binding of the rods. Is it possible to pull the motor out easily? If you can do so and still run the motor that might let you check further on whether the motor works by itself and, at the same time, you can give the drive wheel a spin and see if you feel any resistance. Maybe the motor mount is loose which could cause the worm gearing to not mesh properly (a real WAG on my part).

I just looked at the inside-the-Docksider pictures at Carl Tuveson's terrific website (www.tuveson.com under 'hints and tips') and maybe getting the motor out isn't as easy as I think above. On the other hand, maybe Carl can tell us how easy it is...

good luck and let us know if you solve the problem. Be good to file away for future reference.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:
>
> I Agree with Mrstumpy however you can remove the circuit board and install a Dalee e-unit for less than $40.00 as long as the motor is good and continue to run on AC power.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 9:59 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Lionel Docksider runs slow
>
>
>  
> All you can really do is to figure out the basics; Are the pick up rollers clean? Are they making contact to the electrical parts of the locomotive? Are there any loose wires? Is there a bare wire that could cause a short?
>
> Other than basic things, you're into either a bad motor or the circuit board. If the board is bad, it's best described as; "This device has no customer repairable components."
>
> Chances are that if you have to ship the loco, an Authorized Lionel Service Station will want as about as much to replace the circuit board as you paid for the locomotive. However, Docksiders are advertised for about $100. for a new one, so they are easily replaced. Sometimes you can find them for less. I got mine from a hobby shop that was closing for $60. and they pop up elsewhere from time to time too.
>
> Actually, for a "bottom of the barrel" Flyonel loco, these aren't bad little engines! They are cheap and toy like, and "get no respect" because of that. But there is potential there, not just as a basic "set" loco, but for kit bashing. I run straight DC power and did away with the electronics, a warrantee "capital offense!" But it's run for hours and smokes well! I've even thought about getting another one and building a low drivered articulated logging locomotive under a Gilbert #282 boiler shell.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69247 From: rm_hirailer Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: GG-1 trucks
Need some advice here, folks.

I have a nice American Models Pennsy GG-1 that I don't run because the trucks have a tendency to lift off the tracks, especially around curves. Drivers track just fine--no problem there.

I have considered adding weights to the tops of the 4-wheel trucks on both ends, but was wondering if (a) anyone else has had this problem and (b) what your solutions might be.

Thanks,
John Eichmann
RMHR
Boise
Group: S-Trains Message: 69248 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1 trucks
John,

I run an AM GG-1 (AC-HiRail) on Gargraves track with AF switches. What a great locomotive! It was the first S locomotive I ever saw that would run at seemingly crawling speeds. And crawl speed is just what it did for its first hour or two until I was confident in its tracking. You see, my 'layout' is about a foot from the ceiling. The GG-1 tracks well with the exception of one Flyer switch where it sometimes derails on the diverging route. Turn the loco around and it glides through the same switch with no problem. My curves are a little broader than standard Flyer curved track.

You didn't mention what kind of track and what speeds result in the derailing. I think mine has springs on the trucks, but not sure. I'll have a look and post when I get home from work.

Regards,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rm_hirailer" <number22@...> wrote:
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> Need some advice here, folks.
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> I have a nice American Models Pennsy GG-1 that I don't run because the trucks have a tendency to lift off the tracks, especially around curves. Drivers track just fine--no problem there.
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> I have considered adding weights to the tops of the 4-wheel trucks on both ends, but was wondering if (a) anyone else has had this problem and (b) what your solutions might be.
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> John Eichmann
> RMHR
> Boise
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69249 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1 trucks
Check that the pivot arms are not bent or the plates they attach to. Alistair

On Thu 05/04/12 4:58 AM , "rm_hirailer" number22@... sent:
> Need some advice here, folks.
> I have a nice American Models Pennsy GG-1 that I don't run because
> the trucks have a tendency to lift off the tracks, especially around
> curves. Drivers track just fine--no problem there.
> I have considered adding weights to the tops of the 4-wheel trucks
> on both ends, but was wondering if (a) anyone else has had this
> problem and (b) what your solutions might be.
> Thanks,
> John Eichmann
> RMHR
> Boise
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69250 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1 trucks
Just checked. There are no springs on mine. But the trucks pivot and slide very easily. Perhaps just loosening the truck screw a fraction of a turn would solve the problem.

Good luck!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69252 From: Kyle Russell Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1 trucks
I had the same problem with my GG1. I found that it had 2 problems on flyer
curves and one on grade changes/ rough track on our club's modular layout;

First, the tail on both coupler centering springs were too long and extended
above the arm far enough to catch on the inside of the body shell on the
curves, limiting the trucks from following the curve. I simply cut them off
just above flush with the mounting arm. This fixed the majority of curve
issues

Second, the side frame of the pilot truck made contact with the sideframe of
the power truck on the Flyer curves, also limiting the swing of the pilot
truck. I filed a small clearance on them and had no more curve problems.

Third, grade changes/ rough track. I found that there was not enough down
force spring action from the cantalevered mounting arm for the pilot trucks.
I put a #4 washer between the pilot truck and the mounting arm to increase
the down force and cured that problem too.

Kyle, BAAFC

-----Original Message-----
I have a nice American Models Pennsy GG-1 that I don't run because the
trucks have a tendency to lift off the tracks, especially around curves.
Drivers track just fine--no problem there.

I have considered adding weights to the tops of the 4-wheel trucks on both
ends, but was wondering if (a) anyone else has had this problem and (b) what
your solutions might be.

Thanks,
John Eichmann
RMHR
Boise





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69253 From: afdinger@bellsouth.net Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Lionel Floodlight Tower Bulbs
I have a Lionel Floodlight Tower (195/6-12759) that needs some bulb replacements. I purchased from a parts vendor at a show this weekend some bulbs that had the replcement number listed on the instructions, but looked different than the original. There was some discussions that these bulbs did not work for a previous buyer, but for the cost I thought I would give it a try. The replacement bulbs had a smaller globe. The replacement burned brighter and hotter than the original. I think the replacement had started to melt the plastic plug.
I have seen on eBay a different type bulb offered for sale for the 195 floodlight tower. These have pins for contacts rather than wire extended through the plastic plug like the mini Christmas Tree lights.

Any help would sure be appreciated.
Jack
Group: S-Trains Message: 69254 From: JOHN RUTH Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: GG1 Trucks
John, I ran my GG1 for the first time on our club layout this weekend and I had
a similar problem on one section of AF curve track. Our first diagnosis  was
that it was that one section of track and then decided that it was a binding
problem with the truck and the frame which restricted the movement of the truck.
I decided to file off some of that portion of the frame. After that it ran
great. That portion of the frame has an "angle" to the plastic so I essentially
"squarred" it. I did this proceedure to the other side as well since the GG1
jumped the track even after I reversed the loco.
Good luck. It is a great running loco.
Jack

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69255 From: Timboy Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Flyer vs. Prototype
I found it an interesting and informative discussion on what locos Gilbert decided to produce as American Flyer toy trains. So, if I wanted to remain prototypically correct, what Flyer loco(s) would I use to haul M&M's from my M&M Mine to my M&M distribution point - assuming my RR is stuck in the early 50's.

-Timboy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69256 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer vs. Prototype
Hey Timboy,

I am pretty sure you will need to seek out some Slobbering Pennsy Power
for that work.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 4/5/2012 8:50 AM, Timboy wrote:
> I found it an interesting and informative discussion on what locos Gilbert decided to produce as American Flyer toy trains. So, if I wanted to remain prototypically correct, what Flyer loco(s) would I use to haul M&M's from my M&M Mine to my M&M distribution point - assuming my RR is stuck in the early 50's.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69257 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer vs. Prototype
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer club

Bill,
When did the M&M's first come out. That would be a good dateline for loco power.
� Alan Lambert



________________________________
From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer vs. Prototype



 

Hey Timboy,

I am pretty sure you will need to seek out some Slobbering Pennsy Power
for that work.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 4/5/2012 8:50 AM, Timboy wrote:
> I found it an interesting and informative discussion on what locos Gilbert decided to produce as American Flyer toy trains. So, if I wanted to remain prototypically correct, what Flyer loco(s) would I use to haul M&M's from my M&M Mine to my M&M distribution point - assuming my RR is stuck in the early 50's.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69258 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: 4-8-4 quartering tool blatant add
DOn't usually do this but i just listed a 4-8-4 quartering tool that I bought 5 years ago from Portlines for 89.00 plus shipping. Listed for 65 and free shipping if anyone is interested. Thanks, Chris
Group: S-Trains Message: 69259 From: Obie Bell Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer vs. Prototype
Tim, I would think any Gilbert locomotive would be fine, but of more importance would be the correct M&Ms. If your layout era is pre-1954 then you need to paint all the little Ms black. From 1954 on they were white, but you need to look on the web to note which colors were added on at later dates. Eat all of those so your time frame is correctObie

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: timstrains2000@...
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:50:52 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer vs. Prototype




























I found it an interesting and informative discussion on what locos Gilbert decided to produce as American Flyer toy trains. So, if I wanted to remain prototypically correct, what Flyer loco(s) would I use to haul M&M's from my M&M Mine to my M&M distribution point - assuming my RR is stuck in the early 50's.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69260 From: Timboy Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer vs. Prototype
Wow guys! I had no idea! Lol Okay then. I have some "work" to do at the mine!

So I think my Royal Blue should be used strictly for highballin' pax service, 'cause that's why it's a screamin' streamliner. Hauling M&M's with my K5 would be very noble, but a waste of Pennsy resources. Same for my Hudson. They are both mainline warriors. I think an 0-8-0 is a great choice to chug 'em around. I need to contact Doug to get a 1/2 speed DC can motor for the 0-8-0. The open-frame DC motor in it is "shot" and I run all DC.

On another topic, I had no idea the S-n-S Guys did can motors for billboards. That's great. I should get a couple so I can actually hear the billboards over the whining of the open-frame motor.

Thanks for all the various ideas on this List.

-Timboy

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69261 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 quartering tool blatant add
Chris,
     Where did you list it?
Dave
 


--- On Thu, 4/5/12, Chrisandmhel Burger <chrisandmhelburger@...> wrote:


From: Chrisandmhel Burger <chrisandmhelburger@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 4-8-4 quartering tool blatant add
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 5, 2012, 3:17 PM



 



DOn't usually do this but i just listed a 4-8-4 quartering tool that I bought 5 years ago from Portlines for 89.00 plus shipping. Listed for 65 and free shipping if anyone is interested. Thanks, Chris








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Group: S-Trains Message: 69262 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer vs. Prototype
The selection of power would be in direct relationship to the weight of the train and the speed of delivery required.

For instance, we know that speed would not really be a factor because M&Ms "melt in your mouth, not in your hands." There would be no need for express service such as a block of reefers or ventilated box cars hauling fresh fruit or produce. A 2-8-0 Consolidation or 2-8-2 Mikado would be fine. Perhaps a GP-7 "Hood Unit" diesel. For longer trains you might choose a 4-8-4 Northern or a 4-8-8-4 Big Boy.

On the other hand, if you're in charge of a bunch of screaming brats, speed might be of the essance, so couple up a 4-4-2 Atlantic, 4-6-2 Pacific, or Alco PA diesel, and High Ball!

While M&Ms don't melt easily, they will go stale after some months, therefore keeping a fresh supply on hand is essential! Keep the shipping schedule in mind at all times! :-)
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69263 From: Ted Walton Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
Thanks to Larry Moore my AF 308 is up and running - he sent me an
armature to replace the bent armature worm gear axis that was causing
the problem with the motor locking up. Everything is back together
and working. Thanks again to Larry and the rest of you for your
suggestions and help.
Ted Walton
Group: S-Trains Message: 69264 From: rick gough Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
It's great how the list works for us all. Now if I could only find an armature for the smoke unit in my favorite '47 312 .......
 
rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69265 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: Engine problem AF 308
From: Alan Lambert

Ted,
That's what we are here for. To help each other.
� Alan


________________________________
From: Ted Walton <trwalton@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 5:22 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Engine problem AF 308



 


Thanks to Larry Moore my AF 308 is up and running - he sent me an
armature to replace the bent armature worm gear axis that was causing
the problem with the motor locking up. Everything is back together
and working. Thanks again to Larry and the rest of you for your
suggestions and help.
Ted Walton




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69266 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1 trucks
Thanks for all the suggestions, fellas, on my wandering GG-1 pilot trucks. I tested the model at extremely slow speed (you're right, that is SO sweet!) on a Flyer test loop. I eliminated the coupler spring as a possible culprit, as one of the couplers is broken off. So, nix on that one.

But I believe that both Kyle Russell and John Ruth hit it on the head with the same diagnosis. Before I proceed with permanently altering the model, I want to be precisely clear about where you did the filing.

Kyle said that on his GG-1, "the side frame of the pilot truck made contact with the sideframe of the power truck on the Flyer curves, also limiting the swing of the pilot truck. I filed a small clearance on them and had no more curve problems."

John wrote that he "decided that it was a binding problem with the truck and the frame which restricted the movement of the truck. I decided to file off some of that portion of the frame. After that it ran great. That portion of the frame has an 'angle' to the plastic so I essentially 'squared' it."

Which portion did each of you file? It sounds like John filed the pilot-truck frame. Is that what you did, Kyle, or did you take off the corner from the sideframe of the power truck?

I agree, these models aren't robust trackers when it comes to vagaries in trackwork, and slight variations or rough track can lift the trucks right off. I did affix some small lead weights to the trucks, and that solved about 50% of the problems (well, maybe 49%). But I am prepared to do some filing when I hear back from you. I will test out the model on the more generous S Helper S-Trax radii on Lookout Junction when our club meets next week.

Thanks again,
John Eichmann
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69267 From: David Date: 4/6/2012
Subject: TWO DAY SALE "M3007 Trailing Truck Wheels Cover" (Advertisement)
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These wheels cover simulate the outer carrier bearing trailing trucks
used under the later 3 & 5 digit Pacific engines. To view / purchase
please use the link below:

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This "2 DAY SALE" begins at 0700 hrs. local on 04-07-2012.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69268 From: David Date: 4/6/2012
Subject: TWO DAY SALE "#R23 Two Wheel Trailing Truck" (Advertisement)
SATURDAY 04-07-2012 thru SUNDAY 04-08-2012 you can purchase our
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They also fit all ATLANTIC Engines 1946-1966. To view / purchase please
use the link below:

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This "2 DAY SALE" begins at 0700 hrs. local on 04-07-2012.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69269 From: Roy Meissner Date: 4/6/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1 trucks
Some years ago, I believe there was an article in one of the S magazines on fixing that problem. I don't remember what magazine or year.

Roy J Meissner

----- Original Message -----
From: JOHN and CAROL
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: afdinger@... ; kbrussel@...
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 8:53 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: GG-1 trucks



Thanks for all the suggestions, fellas, on my wandering GG-1 pilot trucks. I tested the model at extremely slow speed (you're right, that is SO sweet!) on a Flyer test loop. I eliminated the coupler spring as a possible culprit, as one of the couplers is broken off. So, nix on that one.

But I believe that both Kyle Russell and John Ruth hit it on the head with the same diagnosis. Before I proceed with permanently altering the model, I want to be precisely clear about where you did the filing.

Kyle said that on his GG-1, "the side frame of the pilot truck made contact with the sideframe of the power truck on the Flyer curves, also limiting the swing of the pilot truck. I filed a small clearance on them and had no more curve problems."

John wrote that he "decided that it was a binding problem with the truck and the frame which restricted the movement of the truck. I decided to file off some of that portion of the frame. After that it ran great. That portion of the frame has an 'angle' to the plastic so I essentially 'squared' it."

Which portion did each of you file? It sounds like John filed the pilot-truck frame. Is that what you did, Kyle, or did you take off the corner from the sideframe of the power truck?

I agree, these models aren't robust trackers when it comes to vagaries in trackwork, and slight variations or rough track can lift the trucks right off. I did affix some small lead weights to the trucks, and that solved about 50% of the problems (well, maybe 49%). But I am prepared to do some filing when I hear back from you. I will test out the model on the more generous S Helper S-Trax radii on Lookout Junction when our club meets next week.

Thanks again,
John Eichmann
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69270 From: Jimbo Date: 4/6/2012
Subject: lots of sparks
question I am getting alot of sparks from my tendor wheels, wheels worn out are the trucks worn out are even both? what should be wheel size? should I remove some of the metal from the truck are is there a hub insert any suggestions before i do anything, both front and back trucks are sparking like crazy its on a old 302 tk Jim Davidson
Group: S-Trains Message: 69271 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: lots of sparks
Clean the copper oxide off the wheels - I use a wire brush on a Dremel to do
this, spinning the wheels at the same time. And most importantly - Clean and
lightly sand the brass spring strips where they contact the axels - make sure you
clean the axels with contact cleaner or alchohol too. Make sure the sprng strips
have plenty of tension on the axels too. Alistair

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69272 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: lots of sparks
Sparks mean dirt.

You need to clean the wheels and to keep them real clean. Some folks use
a felt wheel and jeweler's rouge followed by something like Life Like
track cleaner fluid to clean the wheels. Clean the rails, too. Once the
tender stops sparking some where, it will then spark only where the
rails are dirty.

Rail Zip is good on the rails and contacts once you get it all clean of
debris, oil, dust, crud, corrosion and whatever else you can find. When
in doubt about sparks, see the first sentence of this note.

Let us know how it works.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 4/6/2012 9:58 PM, Jimbo wrote:
> question I am getting alot of sparks from my tendor wheels, wheels worn out are the trucks worn out are even both? what should be wheel size? should I remove some of the metal from the truck are is there a hub insert any suggestions before i do anything, both front and back trucks are sparking like crazy its on a old 302 tk Jim Davidson
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69273 From: MARK MCFREDERICK Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: ACCESSORY AND ACTION CAR CONTROL BUTTONS
Hello Everyone,

I've been an S-gauger for 40 years now. I just joined this group because
who knows better about AF specific situations than real operators of
S-gauge.

First question, I have several operating accessories and action cars that
did not come with the control button, as I pick-up a lot of stuff at flea
markets and train shows. I know that repros are available but they do cost
a lot. Has anyone used any other device/ button brand, or scratch wiring
to be able to operate the accessories. My layout room can hold a max of 11
people and I want to mount about 9 control buttons along the front edge so
that everyone can have hands-on with my layout. I WANT almost everything
to be manual (including uncouplers); but I do need operating accessory and
car buttons of some kind.

Thanks for any suggestions,
Mark McFrederick, RN, LMT, LNC


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69274 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: SIT Armature
Can supply....either used/OK, or rewound.



<<<It's great how the list works for us all. Now if I could only find an
armature for the smoke unit in my favorite '47 312 .......>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 69275 From: David Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Trailing Truck SALE (Advertisement)
The sale has started @ http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69276 From: johntech Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: ACCESSORY AND ACTION CAR CONTROL BUTTONS
Hi Mark

The only thing special about the repo control buttons is it says American Flyer on it.
You can use any NORMALLY OPEN momentary push button to operate your accessory
just make sure it's not a "cheap". If you are going to get a lot of use out of them go with
a little beefier pushbutton.Kids and some adults are hard on cheap buttons!

John

----- Original Message -----
From: MARK MCFREDERICK
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 2:01 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] ACCESSORY AND ACTION CAR CONTROL BUTTONS



Hello Everyone,

I've been an S-gauger for 40 years now. I just joined this group because
who knows better about AF specific situations than real operators of
S-gauge.

First question, I have several operating accessories and action cars that
did not come with the control button, as I pick-up a lot of stuff at flea
markets and train shows. I know that repros are available but they do cost
a lot. Has anyone used any other device/ button brand, or scratch wiring
to be able to operate the accessories. My layout room can hold a max of 11
people and I want to mount about 9 control buttons along the front edge so
that everyone can have hands-on with my layout. I WANT almost everything
to be manual (including uncouplers); but I do need operating accessory and
car buttons of some kind.

Thanks for any suggestions,
Mark McFrederick, RN, LMT, LNC

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69277 From: D. Winslow Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: ACCESSORY AND ACTION CAR CONTROL BUTTONS
Most accessories are operated by a simple normally open push button.

----- Original Message -----
From: MARK MCFREDERICK
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 2:01 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] ACCESSORY AND ACTION CAR CONTROL BUTTONS



Hello Everyone,

I've been an S-gauger for 40 years now. I just joined this group because
who knows better about AF specific situations than real operators of
S-gauge.

First question, I have several operating accessories and action cars that
did not come with the control button, as I pick-up a lot of stuff at flea
markets and train shows. I know that repros are available but they do cost
a lot. Has anyone used any other device/ button brand, or scratch wiring
to be able to operate the accessories. My layout room can hold a max of 11
people and I want to mount about 9 control buttons along the front edge so
that everyone can have hands-on with my layout. I WANT almost everything
to be manual (including uncouplers); but I do need operating accessory and
car buttons of some kind.

Thanks for any suggestions,
Mark McFrederick, RN, LMT, LNC

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69278 From: Timboy Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: lots of sparks
Hi,

I oil the rails of my vintage track. After they have been cleaned, I apply a few drops of machine oil to a rag and wipe it on the rails. The concept is a very thin - molecular coating of oil. If my loco loses traction, then I know I have applied too much and I wipe some back off. My tender wheels used to spark like crazy, even after the wheels and rails were cleaned as thoroughly as I could. After I applied an extremely thin coating of oil on the rails, the sparking virtually ceased. It's been about a year now and I haven't cleaned or re-oiled them since and the trains all run terrifically. That's what I do. As I mentioned, I use vintage track. I don't know how to care for any other kind of track.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jimbo" <jad01@...> wrote:
>
> question I am getting alot of sparks from my tendor wheels, wheels worn out are the trucks worn out are even both? what should be wheel size? should I remove some of the metal from the truck are is there a hub insert any suggestions before i do anything, both front and back trucks are sparking like crazy its on a old 302 tk Jim Davidson
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69279 From: Robert Graves Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: ACCESSORY AND ACTION CAR CONTROL BUTTONS
I used doorbell buttons that I bought at Home Depot on my modules of our club's layout.  Because the modules travel a lot, I bought the kind that mounts almost flush.  After four years, they're all still working reliably.  The only problem is that some little kids have a hard time pushing the buttons in and holding them long enough for the whistling billboard and automobile unloading flatcar.




________________________________
From: MARK MCFREDERICK <aftmbx62@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 11:01 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] ACCESSORY AND ACTION CAR CONTROL BUTTONS


 
Hello Everyone,

I've been an S-gauger for 40 years now. I just joined this group because
who knows better about AF specific situations than real operators of
S-gauge.

First question, I have several operating accessories and action cars that
did not come with the control button, as I pick-up a lot of stuff at flea
markets and train shows. I know that repros are available but they do cost
a lot. Has anyone used any other device/ button brand, or scratch wiring
to be able to operate the accessories. My layout room can hold a max of 11
people and I want to mount about 9 control buttons along the front edge so
that everyone can have hands-on with my layout. I WANT almost everything
to be manual (including uncouplers); but I do need operating accessory and
car buttons of some kind.

Thanks for any suggestions,
Mark McFrederick, RN, LMT, LNC

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69280 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: History of Railroad Logos...
This interesting website that seems to be recently uploaded is about Railroad logos and was posted by my friend Mike...
Don

http://annyas.com/railroad-company-logo-design-evolution/
Group: S-Trains Message: 69281 From: David Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: SMOKE Fluid Sale, 2 Days Only (Advertisement)
We have also added our "SMOKE CLOUD" 2 oz. bottle of smoke fluid to the
2 day sale. For 2 days only, two 2 oz. bottles for only $15.50 (reg.
$9.50 ea.)

View / Purchase at:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69282 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Photos of Homemade Accessory Buttons
Hi All,

I've posted some photos of my homemade accessory buttons using Radio Shack components here:

http://tinyurl.com/78zl25t

Take a look and make your own!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69283 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: ACCESSORY AND ACTION CAR CONTROL BUTTONS
Hi Mark,

I use Radio Shack project enclosures:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062279

I drill either one or two holes in the enclosure top and mount either push button switches for most accessories or toggle switches for those accessories that require constant on or off (like lights, smoking accessories, etc). For some accessories I will re-wire to separate the lighting circuit. In some cases I need more than two switches so I go to the larger project enslosure.

For SPST contact buttons I use Radio Shack buttons:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12706320

Or:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062544

For toggle switches I use:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062495

To control the speed on accessories like the barrel loader I mount a rheostat under the table out of sight and out of little hands so they stay set. I use these:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062299

Don't let the WEB ONLY fool you, I get these parts off-the-shelf at my local Radio Shack store.

I'll post some photos in a few minutes.

Good luck!

David



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARK MCFREDERICK <aftmbx62@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I've been an S-gauger for 40 years now. I just joined this group because
> who knows better about AF specific situations than real operators of
> S-gauge.
>
> First question, I have several operating accessories and action cars that
> did not come with the control button, as I pick-up a lot of stuff at flea
> markets and train shows. I know that repros are available but they do cost
> a lot. Has anyone used any other device/ button brand, or scratch wiring
> to be able to operate the accessories. My layout room can hold a max of 11
> people and I want to mount about 9 control buttons along the front edge so
> that everyone can have hands-on with my layout. I WANT almost everything
> to be manual (including uncouplers); but I do need operating accessory and
> car buttons of some kind.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions,
> Mark McFrederick, RN, LMT, LNC
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69284 From: Timboy Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: Photos of Homemade Accessory Buttons
Hi David,

That's excellent!

Regards,

Tim

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've posted some photos of my homemade accessory buttons using Radio Shack components here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/78zl25t
>
> Take a look and make your own!
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69285 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: oops! 4-8-4 tool
sorry forgot to mention ebay is where its listed. seller id is aftrainnutcb. still messed up from my surgery lol.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69286 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: New on My Flyer Trains
For those of you familiar with Chuck Harrington's myflyertrains.org website, be advised that the April article for "Stumpy's Station" is now posted.
The article is called "Compressability" and discusses what you can do on a small layout if you plan effectively. Two photos are included of one of my first two S gauge display layouts, showing just what CAN be accomplished in VERY small space!
In case you don't know it, you can also see my three "guides" there: Kit Bashing Flyer Locomotives, Easy Scratch Building, and Making Your Own Action Cars.
I'll also be doing a clinc/discussion of these things at Noon Saturday at the Spring S Spree in Dayton.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69287 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: 312 SIT armature
I have about a dozen of them. How many do you need?
Steve
SnS Trains

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69288 From: Robert Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Been gone
Howdy all. My wife and I left Butte back in July but we have been pretty busy of late. Last thing I really remember was that the discussion concerned the production of models and the delays involved and there were concerns about model and especially locomotive availability if manufacturers discontinued manufacturing models. I know that Don had some concerns with his Showcase Line. Has that problem been resolved or has it gotten wore or at the least slackened a bit?
Bob
Formerly in Butte
Group: S-Trains Message: 69289 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Re: Been gone
Dear Bob,
Not worse, just different. All of the hard tooling has been moved to the new builder. Sanda Kan's holding company, Kader Industries has finally agreed that our printing plates and paint spray masks belong to us and are trying to locate. My previous engineer told me that he had consolidated all of these, but that was a year ago and they have closed that factory in March. Lastly we are trying to get the last few autocad drawings for a few of the projects. This will greatly aid if any tooling needs to be repaired. We do have all of the printed drawings, just missing some of the computer generated CAD files.
Next comes the mounting of our tools and testing each one. This could take sometime.
Don

On Apr 7, 2012, at 5:00 PM, Robert wrote:
> . I know that Don had some concerns with his Showcase Line. Has that problem been resolved or has it gotten wore or at the least slackened a bit?
> Bob
> Formerly in Butte


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69290 From: sioneli80 Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: Big S Scale warehouse available.
In the last week I've had 3 guys ask me if we are doing anything new in S Scale, well, no, but I do have something I think you could use;

OK, actually it's a set of our HO warehouse castings but they're on the large size & work perfect for an S Scale background flat. I've sold a few dozen of these to S Scalers and they all love 'em. You get enough castings to do a 6' long warehouse for about $65.00. You can see them over at that auction place, search "Downtown Deco S Scale".

Randy Pepprock
Downtown Deco
406-821-0181 (our new #)

PS If you don't use ebay just give me a call & I can still get you a set of these.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69291 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/7/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/8/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69292 From: rick gough Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: Re: 312 SIT armature
Hey Steve,
That's good. $20.?  Still very much enjoying the Rocket!
Rick
 
rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing


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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 3:04 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 312 SIT armature

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I have about a dozen of them. How many do you need?
Steve
SnS Trains

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69293 From: Robert Lampe Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: Re: Been gone
Thanks Don I wish you great success. I am looking forward to seeing your F-units back in full production as well as any cars you might have. Any chance for smooth side Budd and/or Pullman passenger cars lol. Bob
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: don@...
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:17:38 -0400
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Been gone




























Dear Bob,

Not worse, just different. All of the hard tooling has been moved to the new builder. Sanda Kan's holding company, Kader Industries has finally agreed that our printing plates and paint spray masks belong to us and are trying to locate. My previous engineer told me that he had consolidated all of these, but that was a year ago and they have closed that factory in March. Lastly we are trying to get the last few autocad drawings for a few of the projects. This will greatly aid if any tooling needs to be repaired. We do have all of the printed drawings, just missing some of the computer generated CAD files.

Next comes the mounting of our tools and testing each one. This could take sometime.

Don



On Apr 7, 2012, at 5:00 PM, Robert wrote:

> . I know that Don had some concerns with his Showcase Line. Has that problem been resolved or has it gotten wore or at the least slackened a bit?

> Bob

> Formerly in Butte



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69294 From: David Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: New Code #125 rail
We are in the process of starting shop to draw code #125 nickel silver
rail. This rail will probably be furnished in 4 ft. lengths. Are there
any thoughts from this group as to the price range per strip for this
new product?

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc







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Group: S-Trains Message: 69295 From: johntech Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: Re: New Code #125 rail
If you could make the rail the same size as either AM or S-Helper flex track then we can purchase the lengths of
rail needed to send to Tom's Turnouts to get switches made.

That is what I'm looking for.... Just a suggestion

John

----- Original Message -----
From: David
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 8:19 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] New Code #125 rail




We are in the process of starting shop to draw code #125 nickel silver
rail. This rail will probably be furnished in 4 ft. lengths. Are there
any thoughts from this group as to the price range per strip for this
new product?

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69296 From: Tom Detmer Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: Re: New Code #125 rail
I'll second John's comment about standardizing the size of the rail. We
don't need a whole bunch of manufacturers with different rail sizes.
Some of us have SHS and AM track already (and they vary from each other
by a small amount but not too badly) and it would be nice to have any
new rails match one of those. As it will be nickel silver rail, you
might consider the SHS size, which is also nickel silver. Then the rail
can be supplied to Tom's Turnouts as John said. Tom's Turnouts makes
SHS compatible turnouts and also makes others for non-SHS users.

Tom

On 4/8/2012 10:40 AM, johntech wrote:
>
> If you could make the rail the same size as either AM or S-Helper flex
> track then we can purchase the lengths of
> rail needed to send to Tom's Turnouts to get switches made.
>
> That is what I'm looking for.... Just a suggestion
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 8:19 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] New Code #125 rail
>
> We are in the process of starting shop to draw code #125 nickel silver
> rail. This rail will probably be furnished in 4 ft. lengths. Are there
> any thoughts from this group as to the price range per strip for this
> new product?
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
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>
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>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69297 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/8/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday April 8, 2012
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69298 From: aftmbx62 Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: AF SINTERED TRUCKS
I was wondering if there is a GOOD way to repair the sintered trucks on many of Gilbert rolling stock. I have some that have "de-sintergrated" and I don't really want to fight with the large rivet to change out the whole truck. If you can, let me know of what you have tried that didn't work or that you are less than thrilled with as well as ones that are satisfactory to perfect. Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69299 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: NASG Web Site Update
Hi All,

(I apologize to those of you who will receive multiple copies of this
e-mail)

I have made some significant changes to the NASG web site to warrant
this message. The changes are predominantly structural, but there is
some new content.

The fundamental change is the addition of four new main pages. The "News
& Events" page has been split up into two separate pages. The Historical
S Products section of the "Manufacturers" page has now been moved to the
new "Products" page. A brand new page, "F.A.Q." (for Frequently Asked
Questions), has been added with just a couple of questions (more Q&A
entries are welcome, if you can provide them to me). Finally, another
new page, "Site", provides information about the web site itself (and
contains the list of recent changes to the site, which used to be on the
"News & Events" page).

Because of these additional pages, the home page has been changed to
include the additional buttons. I added title/tool-tips to the home page
buttons. You can hover your cursor over the button and see a small
window displayed that indicates what is covered on that page.

Another new feature we've added to the site is the "Featured S Video",
which is only accessible from the home page. This page shows a recent
good-quality video highlighting an S layout. Our first video is the one
recently made available of Bob Jackson's layout. I hope to change the
featured video every month or so.

As far as content changes, the new "News" page now only lists the recent
product announcements. I have changed the organization of those
announcements to be in chronological order, with the latest info at the
top. This should make it easy for you to find out what's new if you
visit the site on a regular basis. One note on that: if an entry is
updated, it will be moved to the top of the list. I've added a "status"
text next to it to indicate if the entry is brand new or if it was one
that existed on the page before but has been updated.

These changes lay the ground work for additional content changes that
I'll be making over the next few weeks.

Enjoy,
- Peter.

--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
http://nasg.org/
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69300 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: New Central of Georgia (NS) Loco
New Central of Georgia loco..

http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=5698




Brady Burdge
Group: S-Trains Message: 69301 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/8/2012
Subject: Re: AF SINTERED TRUCKS
We have brand new side frames that glue in place that were cast from the original ones.
Go to our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc

 
 

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From: aftmbx62 <aftmbx62@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] AF SINTERED TRUCKS
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 5:33 PM



 



I was wondering if there is a GOOD way to repair the sintered trucks on many of Gilbert rolling stock. I have some that have "de-sintergrated" and I don't really want to fight with the large rivet to change out the whole truck. If you can, let me know of what you have tried that didn't work or that you are less than thrilled with as well as ones that are satisfactory to perfect. Thanks.








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Group: S-Trains Message: 69302 From: Kyle Russell Date: 4/9/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1 trucks
John,

The picture shows where I found the interference between the side frames of
the pilot truck and the power truck on each side (depending on right or left
curve) at both ends when I put the engine on a couple of flyer curves hooked
together to fit the engine length.

It didn't take much filing but I did file a little off of each truck (eight
places) to be even. The plastic didn't want to file too easily so it took a
little effort. If I were to do it again I might try an emery board (for
nails, course side), they seem to be more aggressive on plastics.



Kyle
Baltimore Area American Flyer Club

-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN and CAROL [mailto:number22@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:53 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: afdinger@...; kbrussel@...
Subject: Re: GG-1 trucks


Thanks for all the suggestions, fellas, on my wandering GG-1 pilot trucks.
I tested the model at extremely slow speed (you're right, that is SO sweet!)
on a Flyer test loop. I eliminated the coupler spring as a possible culprit,
as one of the couplers is broken off. So, nix on that one.

But I believe that both Kyle Russell and John Ruth hit it on the head with
the same diagnosis. Before I proceed with permanently altering the model, I
want to be precisely clear about where you did the filing.

Kyle said that on his GG-1, "the side frame of the pilot truck made
contact with the sideframe of the power truck on the Flyer curves, also
limiting the swing of the pilot truck. I filed a small clearance on them and
had no more curve problems."

John wrote that he "decided that it was a binding problem with the truck
and the frame which restricted the movement of the truck. I decided to file
off some of that portion of the frame. After that it ran great. That portion
of the frame has an 'angle' to the plastic so I essentially 'squared' it."

Which portion did each of you file? It sounds like John filed the
pilot-truck frame. Is that what you did, Kyle, or did you take off the
corner from the sideframe of the power truck?

I agree, these models aren't robust trackers when it comes to vagaries in
trackwork, and slight variations or rough track can lift the trucks right
off. I did affix some small lead weights to the trucks, and that solved
about 50% of the problems (well, maybe 49%). But I am prepared to do some
filing when I hear back from you. I will test out the model on the more
generous S Helper S-Trax radii on Lookout Junction when our club meets next
week.

Thanks again,
John Eichmann
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69303 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/9/2012
Subject: Norfolk Southern Nickel Plate Road Heritage Locomotive #8100 - YouTu
Group: S-Trains Message: 69304 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/9/2012
Subject: Re: New Central of Georgia (NS) Loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 69305 From: MARK MCFREDERICK Date: 4/9/2012
Subject: Re: AF SINTERED TRUCKS
Thank you!

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Dave at LBR Enterprises <
lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> We have brand new side frames that glue in place that were cast from the
> original ones.
> Go to our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
> Dave
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 4/8/12, aftmbx62 <aftmbx62@...> wrote:
>
> From: aftmbx62 <aftmbx62@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] AF SINTERED TRUCKS
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, April 8, 2012, 5:33 PM
>
>
>
>
> I was wondering if there is a GOOD way to repair the sintered trucks on
> many of Gilbert rolling stock. I have some that have "de-sintergrated" and
> I don't really want to fight with the large rivet to change out the whole
> truck. If you can, let me know of what you have tried that didn't work or
> that you are less than thrilled with as well as ones that are satisfactory
> to perfect. Thanks.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69306 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 4/9/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1 trucks
On 4/9/2012 07:03, Kyle Russell wrote:
>
> John,
>
> The picture shows where I found the interference between the side
> frames of
> the pilot truck and the power truck on each side (depending on right
> or left
> curve) at both ends when I put the engine on a couple of flyer curves
> hooked
> together to fit the engine length.
>
Hi:
I didn't get the picture - was it sent with the email or is it in a
gallery at the yahoo group site which I missed somehow? Would like to
see since I have the GG1 from AM and do have some problems with change
in elevation, etc.
tx
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69307 From: David Date: 4/9/2012
Subject: NS Rail Purchase Poll (Advertisement)
We would appreciate a responce from members that are considering
purchasing SHS style rail bundles in the next 12 months by voteing in
our NEW POLL here on this site. We have started this poll to see
whether it will be advisable to press forward with our intensions of
producing this style of rail or not.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872
Group: S-Trains Message: 69308 From: David Date: 4/9/2012
Subject: "SALE EXTENDED" (Advertisement)
For our friends that were away on this past Easter week end we are
extending our 2 day sale on for the 2 trailing trucks ( #M3007 & #R23)
and our "SMOKE CLOUD" super smoke fluid through Wed. evening 04-11-2012.

View / Purchase: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>

Thank you all for the "GREAT TURN OUT FOR THIS SALE".

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69309 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/9/2012
Subject: N&W Heritage Diesel (NS)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69310 From: Al Date: 4/10/2012
Subject: Re: New Code #125 rail
Dave,

Just a suggestion. 

Why not produce a flexible S-Gauge connector track piece that is adjustable to different track heights in a 20 inch or 30 inch length.  If you could devise a way to adjust the track height, this track would be is compatible to the new Lionel American Flyer Fast-Track, American Models, S-Helper, and the American S Gauge tracks.  What a great way to incorporate all S- Gauge tracks using an adjustable track height connector piece.

Al

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69311 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/10/2012
Subject: Re: New Code #125 rail
Dear Al,
Yes, something similar was on the drawing board. A connector for different height of rails. Starting with code 70, having a tool made with inserts so that rail from the next height could easily be joined. Code 70 to 83, 83 to 100, 100 to 125, 125 to SHS, SHS to AM, etc. To do this now, you could solder a spacer to the bottom of the smaller rails base and then use the joiner of the larger rail...
Do

On Apr 10, 2012, at 3:04 AM, Al wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Just a suggestion.
>
> Why not produce a flexible S-Gauge connector track piece


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69312 From: Donald Keil Date: 4/10/2012
Subject: Re: New Code #125 rail
Just individual connectors to be able to connect your track to the others would be great.


________________________________
From: Al <alsflyer@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:04 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Code #125 rail


 
Dave,

Just a suggestion. 

Why not produce a flexible S-Gauge connector track piece that is adjustable to different track heights in a 20 inch or 30 inch length.  If you could devise a way to adjust the track height, this track would be is compatible to the new Lionel American Flyer Fast-Track, American Models, S-Helper, and the American S Gauge tracks.  What a great way to incorporate all S- Gauge tracks using an adjustable track height connector piece.

Al

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69313 From: Bob Date: 4/10/2012
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Announcement
The Spring, 2012 issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide e-zine will be published in a few weeks. I am making a special appeal to subscribers who received a subscription renewal notice to please send in your payment as soon as possible. The magazine is only viable with support from the S scale community.

This past March was the best ever for signing up new subscribers since I took over the magazine, but there is still a lot of room for growth. If you're not a subscriber or advertiser, go to www.1-64ModelingGuide.com and find out why the 1:64 Modeling Guide is "The Magazine for the S Scale Model Railroader."

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
Group: S-Trains Message: 69314 From: Donald Keil Date: 4/10/2012
Subject: Re: New Code #125 rail
Very good
Don


________________________________
From: Don Thompson <don@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Code #125 rail


 
Dear Al,
Yes, something similar was on the drawing board. A connector for different height of rails. Starting with code 70, having a tool made with inserts so that rail from the next height could easily be joined. Code 70 to 83, 83 to 100, 100 to 125, 125 to SHS, SHS to AM, etc. To do this now, you could solder a spacer to the bottom of the smaller rails base and then use the joiner of the larger rail...
Do

On Apr 10, 2012, at 3:04 AM, Al wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Just a suggestion.
>
> Why not produce a flexible S-Gauge connector track piece

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69315 From: David Date: 4/11/2012
Subject: NEW "HEAVY DUTY" Draw Bar Strap & Screw (Advertisement)
Our shipment of "HEAVY DUTY" draw bar straps ( boiler rear, crossbar )
arrived today and at our web site to view / purchase at

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>

These "HEAVY DUTY" straps (#HDDBS412) are made from mild steel and are
at least twice as thick as the usual strap on the market now. These
straps measure 2.065" Long x .347" Wide x .075" Thick. The extra
thickness makes it possiable to have a threaded (4:40) hole in the
center with enough grip length for the shouldered screw to grab without
striping out.

This new length also allows the strap (after trimming to length) to fit
all pre-1966 AF steam engine cabs except the 0-8-0 & 0-6-0's as they
have a different strapping system.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69316 From: Al Baker Date: 4/11/2012
Subject: Re: NEW "HEAVY DUTY" Draw Bar Strap & Screw (Advertisement)
Dave,
You say "The extra thickness makes it possible to have a threaded (4:40) hole...". What's not clear is, is there a threaded hole there or not??

Thanks,
Al Baker





--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> Our shipment of "HEAVY DUTY" draw bar straps ( boiler rear, crossbar )
> arrived today and at our web site to view / purchase at
>
> http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
> <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>
>
> These "HEAVY DUTY" straps (#HDDBS412) are made from mild steel and are
> at least twice as thick as the usual strap on the market now. These
> straps measure 2.065" Long x .347" Wide x .075" Thick. The extra
> thickness makes it possiable to have a threaded (4:40) hole in the
> center with enough grip length for the shouldered screw to grab without
> striping out.
>
> This new length also allows the strap (after trimming to length) to fit
> all pre-1966 AF steam engine cabs except the 0-8-0 & 0-6-0's as they
> have a different strapping system.
>
> Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
> 502-292-1872
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69317 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 4/11/2012
Subject: Re: NEW "HEAVY DUTY" Draw Bar Strap & Screw (Advertisement)
Al,
     Yes, there is a 4:40 threaded hole in the strap. That is what the screw in the photo shows.
     Do you want 20 or 30?
Dave
 


--- On Wed, 4/11/12, Al Baker <albaker33@...> wrote:


From: Al Baker <albaker33@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW "HEAVY DUTY" Draw Bar Strap & Screw (Advertisement)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:14 PM



 



Dave,
You say "The extra thickness makes it possible to have a threaded (4:40) hole...". What's not clear is, is there a threaded hole there or not??

Thanks,
Al Baker

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> Our shipment of "HEAVY DUTY" draw bar straps ( boiler rear, crossbar )
> arrived today and at our web site to view / purchase at
>
> http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
> <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>
>
> These "HEAVY DUTY" straps (#HDDBS412) are made from mild steel and are
> at least twice as thick as the usual strap on the market now. These
> straps measure 2.065" Long x .347" Wide x .075" Thick. The extra
> thickness makes it possiable to have a threaded (4:40) hole in the
> center with enough grip length for the shouldered screw to grab without
> striping out.
>
> This new length also allows the strap (after trimming to length) to fit
> all pre-1966 AF steam engine cabs except the 0-8-0 & 0-6-0's as they
> have a different strapping system.
>
> Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
> 502-292-1872
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>








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Group: S-Trains Message: 69318 From: sgaugian Date: 4/11/2012
Subject: York from Macungie
I maybe going to York from the Macungie area next Friday. What's the best way to get there - - 222 to 30? I recall horror stories of 30, but that was years ago. Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69319 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/11/2012
Subject: Re: York from Macungie
THAT is the way I would go. Watch your speed below Akron-Brownstown Exit
onward to exit to Rt 30 W, Manheim Twp uses the area as a "Ways & Means"
project. Stay in right lanes for 30 W when you hit 30/283. Easy ride.

May be construction on the River bridge, normally flows nicely when people
get into the open lane.

Jim Lyle



In a message dated 4/11/2012 7:33:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dsme_horn@... writes:

I maybe going to York from the Macungie area next Friday. What's the best
way to get there - - 222 to 30? I recall horror stories of 30, but that
was years ago. Thanks.



------------------------------------

Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69320 From: David Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: E Unit Sale, Original #XA10587-E, 2 Days (Advertisement)
We are offering our CLEANED, POLISHED & TESTED WITH NEW HEAVY DUTY
FINGERS (#XA10587-E) reversing units fot E&T units with the reversing
unit in the tender.

Reg. Price $39.99 FOR 2 DAYS ONLY, 2 For $59.50 - A savings of $20.48
and as always FREE SHIPPING via USPS PRIORITY MAIL.

To view / purchase go to our web site at:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>



Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69321 From: sgaugian Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: Re: York from Macungie
Thanks Jim.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
> THAT is the way I would go. Watch your speed below Akron-Brownstown Exit
> onward to exit to Rt 30 W, Manheim Twp uses the area as a "Ways & Means"
> project. Stay in right lanes for 30 W when you hit 30/283. Easy ride.
>
> May be construction on the River bridge, normally flows nicely when people
> get into the open lane.
>
> Jim Lyle
>
>
>
> In a message dated 4/11/2012 7:33:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> dsme_horn@... writes:
>
> I maybe going to York from the Macungie area next Friday. What's the best
> way to get there - - 222 to 30? I recall horror stories of 30, but that
> was years ago. Thanks.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69322 From: Bob Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Special Offer (Advertisement)
Special offer: Subscribe to the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine and I'll give you an extra issue FREE!

The new e-zine format is a big hit. Here's why:

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Plus: You get an advance copy of the S Scale SIG's newsletter as well as all the great articles and photos you've come to expect from the only true S Scale magazine published in the USA.

Go to: www.1-64ModelingGuide to subscribe. Hurry! This offer is good only through April 17th, 2012 (new & returning subscribers only).

1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine: "The magazine for the S Scale Model Railroader."

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Editor & Publisher
Group: S-Trains Message: 69323 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Ad Removed
Hi Dave:
Your ads are actually a public service message for users (on both
S-trains and S-scale). You might just mention in a note that you have a
sale on now and to check with your home page, give the website, and
possibly the monitors would allow that on the list (and you would inform
those who are interested). Seems like all our suppliers could do that -
SHS, BTS, AM, etc., etc.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 4/12/2012 16:46, David wrote:
>
> *Bill,*
>
> * We have deleted our Ad for the AF "E" unit 2 day sale.*
>
> * Sorry, we won't post any more AF parts Ad's here as per the
> group rules.*
>
> *Dave*
>
> *LBR Enterprises,llc*
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69324 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Ad Removed
As usual, Rance makes perfect sense. Let me add a voice in support of
product announcements and special sales.

I am pretty sure the prohibition has to do with online auction items
rather than information from our esteemed suppliers. As I recall it,
that prohibition has to do with good manners. If something is offered to
list members, that is polite. If something is listed to pump up bids in
an auction, that is much less polite.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 4/12/2012 12:53 PM, Rance Velapoldi wrote:
> Hi Dave:
> Your ads are actually a public service message for users (on both
> S-trains and S-scale). You might just mention in a note that you have a
> sale on now and to check with your home page, give the website, and
> possibly the monitors would allow that on the list (and you would inform
> those who are interested). Seems like all our suppliers could do that -
> SHS, BTS, AM, etc., etc.
> Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
>
> On 4/12/2012 16:46, David wrote:
>> *Bill,*
>>
>> * We have deleted our Ad for the AF "E" unit 2 day sale.*
>>
>> * Sorry, we won't post any more AF parts Ad's here as per the
>> group rules.*
>>
>> *Dave*
>>
>> *LBR Enterprises,llc*
>>
>>
>>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69325 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: Diesel field rewinding
After reading in posts here and the Tom Barker book that rewinding Alco fields with #26 instead of #28 wire will give more power with less heat, I decided that it was something I just had to try. I have a rather shabby (but nice running) 360-364 set that has become my test bed for such experiments. Some day it will have sound in the B unit but that's another project for another day.

Here are some observations so far. The Barker book calls for 35 feet of #26 wire. When I unwound the original #28 wire there was only about 30 feet. Interesting challenge to replace the thinner #28 with 15% more length of thicker wire. Could the 35 feet be a typo?

It took 4 attempts to wind 35 feet on that field. The last, and only successful attempt took about 90 minutes. That is 90 minutes of keeping constant tension on the wire and concentrating on keeping the winds absolutely parallel. Now I better understand those who think it is crazy to try and hand-wind these. But it can be done. On the last attempt, which I must say looks *almost* machine wound, I got all but 12" on the field and it clears the armature no problem and just barely clears the yoke.

First tests on the bench have the motor running strong even at minimum ACG transformer voltage. I am hoping that will mean more torque overall when the other truck is done and the diesel is assembled.

If it turns out with noticeably more power and less heat it will all be worth it. But to be honest, if it turns out that well I will probably tear it all down again and send the fields out to be machine-wound. I think both SnS and Portlines have that service. That could only make it better.

I'll post again after the other truck is done.

Regards,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 69326 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: Re: (Ad removed)
I have no problem with occassional ads here. The 1:64 Modeling Guide has one up right now, the NASG website has been on recently, Flyonel, S Helper Service, American Models, and many others have posted commercial tid bits here for as long as I can remember. They often "tip us off" to items of interest, for instance the "new" NASG site is really neat.

Many times various vendors get "free" advertising just by being mentioned in, or the subject of, member postings as well. EBay is a "can of worms" I'll not touch again, so someone else can speak to that.

While I come to the Yahoo Group to read posts, perhaps those who get e-mail digests will see these advertisements differently. If so, please advise.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69327 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: Re: Diesel field rewinding
Tim,

I don't know the answer to that, but I would suggest you contact Tom Barker personally and I'm sure he could clear this up for you. If you need his email address, contact me off list.

Bruce



From: tbennerohio
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:27 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Diesel field rewinding



After reading in posts here and the Tom Barker book that rewinding Alco fields with #26 instead of #28 wire will give more power with less heat, I decided that it was something I just had to try. I have a rather shabby (but nice running) 360-364 set that has become my test bed for such experiments. Some day it will have sound in the B unit but that's another project for another day.

Here are some observations so far. The Barker book calls for 35 feet of #26 wire. When I unwound the original #28 wire there was only about 30 feet. Interesting challenge to replace the thinner #28 with 15% more length of thicker wire. Could the 35 feet be a typo?

It took 4 attempts to wind 35 feet on that field. The last, and only successful attempt took about 90 minutes. That is 90 minutes of keeping constant tension on the wire and concentrating on keeping the winds absolutely parallel. Now I better understand those who think it is crazy to try and hand-wind these. But it can be done. On the last attempt, which I must say looks *almost* machine wound, I got all but 12" on the field and it clears the armature no problem and just barely clears the yoke.

First tests on the bench have the motor running strong even at minimum ACG transformer voltage. I am hoping that will mean more torque overall when the other truck is done and the diesel is assembled.

If it turns out with noticeably more power and less heat it will all be worth it. But to be honest, if it turns out that well I will probably tear it all down again and send the fields out to be machine-wound. I think both SnS and Portlines have that service. That could only make it better.

I'll post again after the other truck is done.

Regards,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69328 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: Re: (Ad removed)
I have no problem with ads from manufacturers or parts sources. Quite often, this is the only way that I have of hearing about new/available products. I have no problem with list members who are posting items that they have for sale. I do believe that, as is the policy on the Marx list, that E-bay should be mentioned in the "I just scored" or "Look at what this jerk is passing off/asking for" context. - John Marganski



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69329 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/12/2012
Subject: Re: (Ad removed)
I think notes of sales and such are fine as long as they aren't too
frequent and are relevant.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 4/12/2012 4:01 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
>
> I have no problem with occassional ads here. The 1:64 Modeling Guide
> has one up right now, the NASG website has been on recently, Flyonel,
> S Helper Service, American Models, and many others have posted
> commercial tid bits here for as long as I can remember. They often
> "tip us off" to items of interest, for instance the "new" NASG site is
> really neat.
>
> Many times various vendors get "free" advertising just by being
> mentioned in, or the subject of, member postings as well. EBay is a
> "can of worms" I'll not touch again, so someone else can speak to that.
>
> While I come to the Yahoo Group to read posts, perhaps those who get
> e-mail digests will see these advertisements differently. If so,
> please advise.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69330 From: rlg44 Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: New Photo Album added showing a new "The Royal Blue" conversion proj
I've added a bunch of photos (album title: "'The Royal Blue' from American Flyer") of my son't latest AF conversion project. He wanted to surprise his middle son with a nice, unique train set for his 7th birthday. We missed it by several weeks as we ran into a major decal snafu. My son did all the mechanical, electrical, cleaning & paint stripping, decal design & layout, and paint masking of the rather complex paint scheme. I did most of the final painting & decaling.

My son did a lot of research and located some great black & white photos of the B&O's Royal Blue. He contacted some fellows in the B&O historical society to find out what colors the real Royal Blue had been painted, etc. We used Polly Scale water based paint in "B&O Royal Blue" (which is quit dark) and "D&H Gray" as well as satin black. He also consulted with Joe Deger who had his Royal Blue train set featured in the October 2008 Classic Toy Trains. Joe's Royal Blue train set is fantastic! He used some modified New-Haven type passenger cars for his Royal Blue train set. We decided to use American Flyer 'Budd' passenger cars for our Royal Blue train set. We think the results are what would have happened if the B&O had used the Budd cars instead of the ones that were actually used.

There's a much longer 'story' that goes along with this conversion project. Perhaps we will add a little bit more about our 'adventures', later! :-)

We think Lionel/American Flyer ought to consider offering this Royal Blue to the 'S' market, and with 'Budd' cars. The Flyer 'Silver Bullet' locomotive and tender are surprisingly accurate when compared with the B&O prototype. Let us know what you think.

Regards, Randy Griggs
Group: S-Trains Message: 69331 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: Would you promote NASG Convention at Southeast train events, esp NC&
In an effort to spread the word about the NASG Chattanooga Convention in
August, I am looking for S gaugers who plan to attend train-related events
in the Southeast. I can supply promotional flyers I have prepared on WORD.

My flyer has the photo representing the NC&StL yellow-striped boxcar that
will be the NASG Convention car. I think this car will get a positive
reaction to a lot of regional modelers who get exposed to it. And a few of
them will be S gaugers. (This car was a great choice!)

I just learned that the NC&StL Preservation Society has scheduled their
annual reunion in Jackson, TN on the weekend of May 18-20. If you plan on
attending this event or either Friday night or on Saturday, would you be
willing to distribute these flyers? If YES, please give me a reply.

My offer is not limited to the NC&StL event. If you would like to take
promotional flyers to other train-related events in the Southeast, please let
me know and I send you flyers.

My assumption, whether correct or not, is that most American Flyer
operators and collectors in the Southeast are not members of the NASG. Thus we
need to beat the bushes to let them know about the NASG and this convention
that is taking place in their back yard. So if you live in the Southeast
and can help, please do so.

Note-my interest is in the scale side of S. But I hope we can attract as
many S gaugers of all interests to the Chattanooga NASG. This should be a
great convention with all that Chattanooga has to offer. Here are a few of
them I can think of just off the top of my head:

- Chattanooga Choo-choo
- NMRA Headquarters and library
- Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum
(including our own convention train excursion into north Georgia)

- Many civil war attractions
- World class aquariums
- White water rafting
- Great Smoky Mountains National Park within 2 1/2 hour drive
- Nashville and the Grand Ole Opry within 2 hour (+) drive
- And many other area attractions

Thanks,

Earl Henry, Nashville



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69332 From: Bob Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: Classic American Flyer Trains on my Website
It's a beautiful day in Nashville, Tennessee today! Good morning members. I have posted 6 new AF classic items on my website: www.americanflyertrains4u.com They include:

314AW Pennsylvania Pacific with the Whistle Control Box for $350.00

21910 Santa Fe Alco Diesel only in nice shape for $295.00

734 and 736 Operating cars for $110.00

Two 925 Single Dome Tankers for $60.00

A 634 Search Light car with the 1946 plastic base and thin-shank coupler

And, a 740/741 Tool Shed and Handcar for $155.00. The Handcar is missing one extended arm.

The prices do not include shipping costs.

Hope all of you have a great day.

Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 69333 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: New Photo Album added showing a new "The Royal Blue" conversion proj
Randy,
GREAT job! Yes, the Royal Blue loco is more accurate than most think.
Although, once again ACG picked a "one-off" engine for his prototype! The
die cast RB boiler is more accurate than the plastic Silver Bullet, as ACG
extended the "skyline casing" forward into the smoke box front to allow the
smoke stack hole to be brought forward to match the smoke unit stack
location. When "kit bashing" the die cast boiler one can use the smoke unit,
but you have to redrill the smoke unit fiber top to move the stack back a
little. A bit of epoxy can fill the original hole--OR you can add some small
tubing and pipe some smoke down to the cylinders for a special effect (MARX
did this on their smoke units--while not actually prototypical on a
well-maintained locomotive, it still looks neat). I've not done this yet,
but have thought about it! I also use some JBWeld, or similar product to
fill the old reverse unit lock-out lever slot, and of course, add the
reverse unit in the tender. I also usually solder some nuts to the corners
of the tender shell and drill the base so one can easily get to the "guts"
in the tender instead of dealing with the fragile metal tabs.
Really neat project, thanks for posting it--and yes, if Flyonel did this
engine, I think it would be popular!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69334 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Photo Album added showing a new "The Royal Blue" conversion
Randy Griggs wrote: "I've added a bunch of photos (album title: "'The Royal Blue' from American Flyer") of my son't latest AF conversion project. " 

Randy,

An absolutely first rate job!  The train is simply stunning!  I especially like the decals and two tone paint details.

Mike A.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69335 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Photo Album added showing a new "The Royal Blue" conversion
Beautiful!

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 4/12/2012 11:27 PM, rlg44 wrote:
> I've added a bunch of photos (album title: "'The Royal Blue' from American Flyer") of my son't latest AF conversion project. He wanted to surprise his middle son with a nice, unique train set for his 7th birthday. We missed it by several weeks as we ran into a major decal snafu. My son did all the mechanical, electrical, cleaning& paint stripping, decal design& layout, and paint masking of the rather complex paint scheme. I did most of the final painting& decaling.
>
> My son did a lot of research and located some great black& white photos of the B&O's Royal Blue. He contacted some fellows in the B&O historical society to find out what colors the real Royal Blue had been painted, etc. We used Polly Scale water based paint in "B&O Royal Blue" (which is quit dark) and "D&H Gray" as well as satin black. He also consulted with Joe Deger who had his Royal Blue train set featured in the October 2008 Classic Toy Trains. Joe's Royal Blue train set is fantastic! He used some modified New-Haven type passenger cars for his Royal Blue train set. We decided to use American Flyer 'Budd' passenger cars for our Royal Blue train set. We think the results are what would have happened if the B&O had used the Budd cars instead of the ones that were actually used.
>
> There's a much longer 'story' that goes along with this conversion project. Perhaps we will add a little bit more about our 'adventures', later! :-)
>
> We think Lionel/American Flyer ought to consider offering this Royal Blue to the 'S' market, and with 'Budd' cars. The Flyer 'Silver Bullet' locomotive and tender are surprisingly accurate when compared with the B&O prototype. Let us know what you think.
>
> Regards, Randy Griggs
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69336 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Photo Album added showing a new "The Royal Blue" conversion
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rlg44" <rlgriggs@...> wrote:
>
> I've added a bunch of photos (album title: "'The Royal Blue' from American Flyer") of my son't latest AF conversion project.
>
> Regards, Randy Griggs
>
HI Randy! Tell your son he did an INCREDIBLE job! would love to attempt that myself. just a Chris Burgergreat looking train set!
Group: S-Trains Message: 69337 From: R G Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Photo Album added showing a new "The Royal Blue" conversion
That is a real nice conversion project you did on the locomotive and passenger cars.  You have a beautiful set that anyone would be proud to own!



________________________________
From: rlg44 <rlgriggs@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:27 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] New Photo Album added showing a new "The Royal Blue" conversion project


 
I've added a bunch of photos (album title: "'The Royal Blue' from American Flyer") of my son't latest AF conversion project. He wanted to surprise his middle son with a nice, unique train set for his 7th birthday. We missed it by several weeks as we ran into a major decal snafu. My son did all the mechanical, electrical, cleaning & paint stripping, decal design & layout, and paint masking of the rather complex paint scheme. I did most of the final painting & decaling.

My son did a lot of research and located some great black & white photos of the B&O's Royal Blue. He contacted some fellows in the B&O historical society to find out what colors the real Royal Blue had been painted, etc. We used Polly Scale water based paint in "B&O Royal Blue" (which is quit dark) and "D&H Gray" as well as satin black. He also consulted with Joe Deger who had his Royal Blue train set featured in the October 2008 Classic Toy Trains. Joe's Royal Blue train set is fantastic! He used some modified New-Haven type passenger cars for his Royal Blue train set. We decided to use American Flyer 'Budd' passenger cars for our Royal Blue train set. We think the results are what would have happened if the B&O had used the Budd cars instead of the ones that were actually used.

There's a much longer 'story' that goes along with this conversion project. Perhaps we will add a little bit more about our 'adventures', later! :-)

We think Lionel/American Flyer ought to consider offering this Royal Blue to the 'S' market, and with 'Budd' cars. The Flyer 'Silver Bullet' locomotive and tender are surprisingly accurate when compared with the B&O prototype. Let us know what you think.

Regards, Randy Griggs




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69338 From: Mellon, Jay Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: Repro B&O Set
Randy,

Nice job on the Royal Blue set! How did you apply the paint? With an airbrush? Decals look great! Where did you get them? (or did you make them yourselves?)

Again, congrats on a successful project completed.

Jay Mellon]
New Orleans, LA




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69339 From: Jerry Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Photo Album added showing a new "The Royal Blue" conversion
Randy,

Outstanding job! Documenting your conversion is a great idea, and shows
how much work goes into such a job. I'm sure your grandson will
appreciate it, and to him it will be all that much more valuable since
you and your son did all the work. It's something like many others of
us out here do. Have you considered writing up the process for either
the S Gaugian or Dispatch? I (among many others) would love to see the
details of your process.

Nicely done, sir!

BTW, American Flyer did an O gauge version of the passenger Royal Blue
prior to WWII. Why none in S? Perhaps only A.C. knows. ;>)

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rlg44" <rlgriggs@...> wrote:
>
> I've added a bunch of photos (album title: "'The Royal Blue' from
American Flyer") of my son't latest AF conversion project. He wanted to
surprise his middle son with a nice, unique train set for his 7th
birthday. We missed it by several weeks as we ran into a major decal
snafu. My son did all the mechanical, electrical, cleaning & paint
stripping, decal design & layout, and paint masking of the rather
complex paint scheme. I did most of the final painting & decaling.
>
> My son did a lot of research and located some great black & white
photos of the B&O's Royal Blue. He contacted some fellows in the B&O
historical society to find out what colors the real Royal Blue had been
painted, etc. We used Polly Scale water based paint in "B&O Royal Blue"
(which is quit dark) and "D&H Gray" as well as satin black. He also
consulted with Joe Deger who had his Royal Blue train set featured in
the October 2008 Classic Toy Trains. Joe's Royal Blue train set is
fantastic! He used some modified New-Haven type passenger cars for his
Royal Blue train set. We decided to use American Flyer 'Budd' passenger
cars for our Royal Blue train set. We think the results are what would
have happened if the B&O had used the Budd cars instead of the ones that
were actually used.
>
> There's a much longer 'story' that goes along with this conversion
project. Perhaps we will add a little bit more about our 'adventures',
later! :-)
>
> We think Lionel/American Flyer ought to consider offering this Royal
Blue to the 'S' market, and with 'Budd' cars. The Flyer 'Silver Bullet'
locomotive and tender are surprisingly accurate when compared with the
B&O prototype. Let us know what you think.
>
> Regards, Randy Griggs
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69340 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/13/2012
Subject: The Royal Blue set
Excellent work! Very impressive conversion. I especially liked the photos of the prototype and the work in progress too, it shows the effort involved.
Randy; A "well done" to your son!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69341 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: S-'n-S Trains closing
To all my friends and customers in the S-gauge train world.

We are closing the doors on SnS until further notice effective
immediately. My 92 year old Mother is in failing health in California and I have to go
down there and tend to her. There is no computer there and I will not have
access to e-mail. If you have any work here in the shop, please be
patient for it's return. Please don't anyone send any new jobs until I notify
these groups and/or you individuals. I will do my best to get jobs now in the
hop out by April 19th, I leave early AM on the 20th. I hope to re-open by
mid May. I have access to a telephone, but I will only be able to answer
some questions. If you have a question that I may be able to answer without
access to the shop or computer records you can call 310-391-0846 starting
on Monday April 23.
Sorry for the inconvenience and regards to all.
Steve Blackburn
SnS Trains
Boise, Idaho



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69342 From: Al Baker Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains closing
Steve,
We wish you, your Mother, and your family all the best.
Al Baker




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote:
>
> To all my friends and customers in the S-gauge train world.
>
> We are closing the doors on SnS until further notice effective
> immediately. My 92 year old Mother is in failing health in California and I have to go
> down there and tend to her. There is no computer there and I will not have
> access to e-mail. If you have any work here in the shop, please be
> patient for it's return. Please don't anyone send any new jobs until I notify
> these groups and/or you individuals. I will do my best to get jobs now in the
> hop out by April 19th, I leave early AM on the 20th. I hope to re-open by
> mid May. I have access to a telephone, but I will only be able to answer
> some questions. If you have a question that I may be able to answer without
> access to the shop or computer records you can call 310-391-0846 starting
> on Monday April 23.
> Sorry for the inconvenience and regards to all.
> Steve Blackburn
> SnS Trains
> Boise, Idaho
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69343 From: Rick Evans Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains closing
Yes Steve, what Al said. Take care.

Rick


> Steve,
> We wish you, your Mother, and your family all the best.
> Al Baker
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote:
> >
> > To all my friends and customers in the S-gauge train world.
> >
> > We are closing the doors on SnS until further notice effective
> > immediately. My 92 year old Mother is in failing health in California and I have to go
> > down there and tend to her. There is no computer there and I will not have
> > access to e-mail. If you have any work here in the shop, please be
> > patient for it's return. Please don't anyone send any new jobs until I notify
> > these groups and/or you individuals. I will do my best to get jobs now in the
> > hop out by April 19th, I leave early AM on the 20th. I hope to re-open by
> > mid May. I have access to a telephone, but I will only be able to answer
> > some questions. If you have a question that I may be able to answer without
> > access to the shop or computer records you can call 310-391-0846 starting
> > on Monday April 23.
> > Sorry for the inconvenience and regards to all.
> > Steve Blackburn
> > SnS Trains
> > Boise, Idaho
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69344 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: SnS Trains closing
Steve...Sad to hear about your Mom, I'll say a little prayer for her. Take care of her, family is top priority.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69345 From: jhannawald@comcast.net Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: Re: SnS Trains closing
Steve,
We wish you, your Mother, and your family all the best.

Jim


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69346 From: Alan Lambert Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains closing
From:� Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer club

Steve,
Family always comes first. Hoping for the best
� Alan


________________________________
From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:47 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] S-'n-S Trains closing



 

To all my friends and customers in the S-gauge train world.

We are closing the doors on SnS until further notice effective
immediately. My 92 year old Mother is in failing health in California and I have to go
down there and tend to her. There is no computer there and I will not have
access to e-mail. If you have any work here in the shop, please be
patient for it's return. Please don't anyone send any new jobs until I notify
these groups and/or you individuals. I will do my best to get jobs now in the
hop out by April 19th, I leave early AM on the 20th. I hope to re-open by
mid May. I have access to a telephone, but I will only be able to answer
some questions. If you have a question that I may be able to answer without
access to the shop or computer records you can call 310-391-0846 starting
on Monday April 23.
Sorry for the inconvenience and regards to all.
Steve Blackburn
SnS Trains
Boise, Idaho

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69347 From: Roy Inman Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains closing
Steve,

Sorry to hear about your mother. We have had similar experiences in our
family. Not easy.

Regarding the computer, back before I could afford one I used computers at
the public library. Email, web, everything the same. Just need to have a
really secure password.

But sounds as if you may not even have the time nor energy deal with the
cyber world for a while.

With good thoughts,

Roy Inman



From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:39:49 -0700
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S-'n-S Trains closing






Yes Steve, what Al said. Take care.

Rick

> Steve,
> We wish you, your Mother, and your family all the best.
> Al Baker
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ,
boss31@... wrote:
> >
> > To all my friends and customers in the S-gauge train world.
> >
> > We are closing the doors on SnS until further notice effective
> > immediately. My 92 year old Mother is in failing health in California and I
have to go
> > down there and tend to her. There is no computer there and I will not have
> > access to e-mail. If you have any work here in the shop, please be
> > patient for it's return. Please don't anyone send any new jobs until I
notify
> > these groups and/or you individuals. I will do my best to get jobs now in
the
> > hop out by April 19th, I leave early AM on the 20th. I hope to re-open by
> > mid May. I have access to a telephone, but I will only be able to answer
> > some questions. If you have a question that I may be able to answer without
> > access to the shop or computer records you can call 310-391-0846 starting
> > on Monday April 23.
> > Sorry for the inconvenience and regards to all.
> > Steve Blackburn
> > SnS Trains
> > Boise, Idaho
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69348 From: Tom David Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: Re: Diesel field rewinding
Make sure the windings balance.


Tom David

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A great 3 bedroom vacation condo near Disney World Fl.



-----Original Message-----
From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 2:07 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Diesel field rewinding




After reading in posts here and the Tom Barker book that rewinding Alco fields with #26 instead of #28 wire will give more power with less heat, I decided that it was something I just had to try. I have a rather shabby (but nice running) 360-364 set that has become my test bed for such experiments. Some day it will have sound in the B unit but that's another project for another day.

Here are some observations so far. The Barker book calls for 35 feet of #26 wire. When I unwound the original #28 wire there was only about 30 feet. Interesting challenge to replace the thinner #28 with 15% more length of thicker wire. Could the 35 feet be a typo?

It took 4 attempts to wind 35 feet on that field. The last, and only successful attempt took about 90 minutes. That is 90 minutes of keeping constant tension on the wire and concentrating on keeping the winds absolutely parallel. Now I better understand those who think it is crazy to try and hand-wind these. But it can be done. On the last attempt, which I must say looks *almost* machine wound, I got all but 12" on the field and it clears the armature no problem and just barely clears the yoke.

First tests on the bench have the motor running strong even at minimum ACG transformer voltage. I am hoping that will mean more torque overall when the other truck is done and the diesel is assembled.

If it turns out with noticeably more power and less heat it will all be worth it. But to be honest, if it turns out that well I will probably tear it all down again and send the fields out to be machine-wound. I think both SnS and Portlines have that service. That could only make it better.

I'll post again after the other truck is done.

Regards,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio







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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/15/2012, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69350 From: Gale Hall Date: 4/14/2012
Subject: looking to trade
Evening,

I have a set (4) Hi rail wheels and axles from an American Models F40PH, square axle bearings, black gears, no slant to the teeth, run parallel to axle...looking for a set of scale set in trade.

gale hall
frisco91@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69351 From: Thorin Marty Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Watching paint dry
Good morning:
I apply masking to my model and then remove it. It is taking the paint
underneath with it. Careful examination reviled the paint was not rock-hard
where it lifted. (I do not suspect my tape. I am using a brand-new roll of 3M
automotive masking tape and Pactra 1/8 masking tape.)

My models are made of epoxy, brass, phosphor bronze, white metal, plastic, wood,
styrene, and more.

I thought of using a fan but I don't want to blow dust at my drying paint. I
thought of using the oven on low but I am not sure the white metal and styrene
will survive. And wood is flammable.

The only thing I have come up with is hot, direct, sunlight. Besides bleaching
the model, I have to have bright sun light. Today I have thick clouds. Tonight
it will be, well, night.

I use ONLY water base paints. Until the paint is bone dry, I dare not mask
again or add or decals.

Does anyone have a suggestion on how to speed up the drying process?
Thorin

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69352 From: Thorin Marty Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Lumpy paint clogs airbrushes
Good morning:
Gee. I discovered that lumpy paint clogs airbrushes. I really, really,
really had to put on my thinking cap for that one! And I am a gen-u-whine
ed-u-kated per-sun. <Tongue-in-cheek> <grin>

I have tried various ways to mix this bottle of paint but the lumps are dried
paint; not the wonderful colour sludge at the bottom of the bottle. I know, I
know. Discard the bottles and purchase fresh, new bottles for every airbrush
project.

But discarding stuff rubs my grain the wrong way. There is nothing wrong with
this paint if I could filter it first. I looked at coffee filters and believe
it to be too fine. I looked at cheesecloth and decided it was too coarse.
Mixing for five minutes straight with a Badger paint mixer does wonders but not
for dried paint.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to filter Polly S so the fine pigment
gets through but the blobs do not?
Thorin


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69353 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Lumpy paint clogs airbrushes
Try a nylon stocking. Mike


In a message dated 4/15/2012 9:59:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
lagthor@... writes:




Good morning:
Gee. I discovered that lumpy paint clogs airbrushes. I really, really,
really had to put on my thinking cap for that one! And I am a gen-u-whine
ed-u-kated per-sun. <Tongue-in-cheek> <grin>

I have tried various ways to mix this bottle of paint but the lumps are
dried
paint; not the wonderful colour sludge at the bottom of the bottle. I
know, I
know. Discard the bottles and purchase fresh, new bottles for every
airbrush
project.

But discarding stuff rubs my grain the wrong way. There is nothing wrong
with
this paint if I could filter it first. I looked at coffee filters and
believe
it to be too fine. I looked at cheesecloth and decided it was too coarse.
Mixing for five minutes straight with a Badger paint mixer does wonders
but not
for dried paint.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to filter Polly S so the fine
pigment
gets through but the blobs do not?
Thorin

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69354 From: Robert Lampe Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Lumpy paint clogs airbrushes
When your wife ain't looking go in and swipe a pair if her pantyhose and try that. Make sure you rep0lace it later with a new pair again when she ain't looking.Make sure to get the right size. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale-ProgreSSive@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
From: lagthor@...
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:15:28 -0700
Subject: [S-Trains] Lumpy paint clogs airbrushes




























Good morning:

Gee. I discovered that lumpy paint clogs airbrushes. I really, really,

really had to put on my thinking cap for that one! And I am a gen-u-whine

ed-u-kated per-sun. <Tongue-in-cheek> <grin>



I have tried various ways to mix this bottle of paint but the lumps are dried

paint; not the wonderful colour sludge at the bottom of the bottle. I know, I

know. Discard the bottles and purchase fresh, new bottles for every airbrush

project.



But discarding stuff rubs my grain the wrong way. There is nothing wrong with

this paint if I could filter it first. I looked at coffee filters and believe

it to be too fine. I looked at cheesecloth and decided it was too coarse.

Mixing for five minutes straight with a Badger paint mixer does wonders but not

for dried paint.



Does anyone have any suggestions on how to filter Polly S so the fine pigment

gets through but the blobs do not?

Thorin



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69355 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Lumpy paint clogs airbrushes
I bought a gadget from Micro-Mark. It is a battery operated paint
stirrer. The business end looks like the part used in malt machines in
soda fountains. I have used it on some pretty old paints and it seems to
work well. Run it long enough and the lumps become paint particles
again. It is Item #80975 if you are interested.

Next to discard and buy new stuff, this is a good alternative.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 4/15/2012 12:15 PM, Thorin Marty wrote:
> Good morning:
> Gee. I discovered that lumpy paint clogs airbrushes. I really, really,
> really had to put on my thinking cap for that one! And I am a gen-u-whine
> ed-u-kated per-sun.<Tongue-in-cheek> <grin>
>
> I have tried various ways to mix this bottle of paint but the lumps are dried
> paint; not the wonderful colour sludge at the bottom of the bottle. I know, I
> know. Discard the bottles and purchase fresh, new bottles for every airbrush
> project.
>
> But discarding stuff rubs my grain the wrong way. There is nothing wrong with
> this paint if I could filter it first. I looked at coffee filters and believe
> it to be too fine. I looked at cheesecloth and decided it was too coarse.
> Mixing for five minutes straight with a Badger paint mixer does wonders but not
> for dried paint.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to filter Polly S so the fine pigment
> gets through but the blobs do not?
> Thorin
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69356 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Watching paint dry
Hi Again,

I always have opinions. For masking, I like to press the tape onto a
glass surface before I use it to mask. That removes some of the
tackiness. As soon as the paint is applied and no longer runny, I like
to remove the masking. Mostly, that works.

Is your paint releasing from the lower layers or are the lower layers
releasing? That is, what seems to be the weak link in the adhesion
column? Perhaps, the paint is separating from itself. If that is the
case, drying is the only alternative. If one layer is letting go of
another, then it is not the drying problem but somewhere in the adhesion
process. Do you give some tooth to the layers before you recover them?
Really, really fine paper can do that - something in the 1500 grit area
will help a top coat adhere to a lower one.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 4/15/2012 12:30 PM, Thorin Marty wrote:
> Good morning:
> I apply masking to my model and then remove it. It is taking the paint
> underneath with it. Careful examination reviled the paint was not rock-hard
> where it lifted. (I do not suspect my tape. I am using a brand-new roll of 3M
> automotive masking tape and Pactra 1/8 masking tape.)
>
> My models are made of epoxy, brass, phosphor bronze, white metal, plastic, wood,
> styrene, and more.
>
> I thought of using a fan but I don't want to blow dust at my drying paint. I
> thought of using the oven on low but I am not sure the white metal and styrene
> will survive. And wood is flammable.
>
> The only thing I have come up with is hot, direct, sunlight. Besides bleaching
> the model, I have to have bright sun light. Today I have thick clouds. Tonight
> it will be, well, night.
>
> I use ONLY water base paints. Until the paint is bone dry, I dare not mask
> again or add or decals.
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion on how to speed up the drying process?
> Thorin
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69357 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Watching paint dry
Some of my car modeling friends use food dehydrators with good results.

Bob

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On Apr 15, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Thorin Marty <lagthor@...> wrote:

> Good morning:
> I apply masking to my model and then remove it. It is taking the paint
> underneath with it. Careful examination reviled the paint was not rock-hard
> where it lifted. (I do not suspect my tape. I am using a brand-new roll of 3M
> automotive masking tape and Pactra 1/8 masking tape.)
>
> My models are made of epoxy, brass, phosphor bronze, white metal, plastic, wood,
> styrene, and more.
>
> I thought of using a fan but I don't want to blow dust at my drying paint. I
> thought of using the oven on low but I am not sure the white metal and styrene
> will survive. And wood is flammable.
>
> The only thing I have come up with is hot, direct, sunlight. Besides bleaching
> the model, I have to have bright sun light. Today I have thick clouds. Tonight
> it will be, well, night.
>
> I use ONLY water base paints. Until the paint is bone dry, I dare not mask
> again or add or decals.
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion on how to speed up the drying process?
> Thorin
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69358 From: mike boyd Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Lumpy paint clogs airbrushes
How bout the paint filters sold at Orchard Supply? Pack of 4 or so for 2 or 3 dollars. Also, check and automotive paint store, they definitely could help. Mike

--- On Sun, 4/15/12, Thorin Marty <lagthor@...> wrote:


From: Thorin Marty <lagthor@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Lumpy paint clogs airbrushes
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "S-Scale-ProgreSSive" <S-Scale-ProgreSSive@yahoogroups.com>, "S-Scale@yahoogroups.com" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, April 15, 2012, 9:15 AM


Good morning:
     Gee.  I discovered that lumpy paint clogs airbrushes.  I really, really,
really had to put on my thinking cap for that one!  And I am a gen-u-whine
ed-u-kated per-sun.  <Tongue-in-cheek>  <grin>

I have tried various ways to mix this bottle of paint but the lumps are dried
paint; not the wonderful colour sludge at the bottom of the bottle.  I know, I
know.  Discard the bottles and purchase fresh, new bottles for every airbrush
project.

But discarding stuff rubs my grain the wrong way.  There is nothing wrong with
this paint if I could filter it first.  I looked at coffee filters and believe
it to be too fine.  I looked at cheesecloth and decided it was too coarse. 
Mixing for five minutes straight with a Badger paint mixer does wonders but not
for dried paint.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to filter Polly S so the fine pigment
gets through but the blobs do not?
Thorin


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69359 From: scott dargenio Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Lumpy paint clogs airbrushes
For Polly S I use some of her old pantyhose, as it is fine enough to get the lumps out.  Also when I'm done with a bottle I also take a pair of pliers and hammer down on the cap. I've been using bottles for over 2 years without a problem.  Goodluck

--- On Sun, 4/15/12, Thorin Marty <lagthor@...> wrote:

From: Thorin Marty <lagthor@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Lumpy paint clogs airbrushes
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "S-Scale-ProgreSSive" <S-Scale-ProgreSSive@yahoogroups.com>, "S-Scale@yahoogroups.com" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, April 15, 2012, 11:15 AM
















 









Good morning:

Gee. I discovered that lumpy paint clogs airbrushes. I really, really,

really had to put on my thinking cap for that one! And I am a gen-u-whine

ed-u-kated per-sun. <Tongue-in-cheek> <grin>



I have tried various ways to mix this bottle of paint but the lumps are dried

paint; not the wonderful colour sludge at the bottom of the bottle. I know, I

know. Discard the bottles and purchase fresh, new bottles for every airbrush

project.



But discarding stuff rubs my grain the wrong way. There is nothing wrong with

this paint if I could filter it first. I looked at coffee filters and believe

it to be too fine. I looked at cheesecloth and decided it was too coarse.

Mixing for five minutes straight with a Badger paint mixer does wonders but not

for dried paint.



Does anyone have any suggestions on how to filter Polly S so the fine pigment

gets through but the blobs do not?

Thorin



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69360 From: Randall Griggs Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: “The Royal Blue” Conversion Project
First off, I want to apologize for the length of this ‘dissertation’.  Second, here are a few reply comments to those of you who responded to my original post.  Thanks, EVERYONE, for your kind words!

David Dewey - You are absolutely right about the plastic Silver Bullet shell being a little less accurate than the metal die-cast one.  The plastic shell has an extension on the top - near the cab - that the die-cast one or prototype doesn’t have.  The die-cast shell also has the front grill cast-on - in the ‘cow-catcher area, which the plastic shell doesn’t.  Even so, we contemplated using a die-cast one; BUT, already had a plastic one, so that’s what we used.  There was a square edge at the front of the walkway, above the steam cylinder cover, that had to be ground down (rounded) so the decal from the front logo could match up with the top stripe of the walkway.  Not much trouble for my son with a Dremel tool.  Also, the smoke stack ‘extension’ extends too far forward on the plastic engine casting, but we decided it would be too much trouble trying to figure out how to fix this little problem.  We also filled in the depression in the
plastic shell’s cab where the #356 number was placed.  (The prototype did not have this recess.)  We did this with Squadron body filler - had to apply two coats since is was a fairly deep recess, but this looked much better on the finished model.  We were pleasantly surprised to see so many of the prototype features included on the AF loco casting.  My son milled down the back chassis support stud so the locomotive would not have a frontal ‘rake’, and sit ‘level’.  Your idea to “... solder some nuts to the corners of the tender shell and drill the base so one can easily get to the "guts" in the tender instead of dealing with the fragile metal tabs.” is really a good one.  The tabs on our tender - thankfully - remained flexible and did not break off.


Mike Andrzejewski - The decals ended up being a major ‘snafu’ for us.  My son tried to work with one supplier, but there were problems getting the artwork finalized.  So, my son decided to make the decals himself.  They looked great on the decal paper, but when test applied to the model they simply vanished - not opaque enough to stand out on the dark blue model.  We ended up getting decals made (on an ALPS printer) by: Bedlam Creations (bedlamcreations.com).  Josh Muma <jmumn@...> did a good job for us.  The decals were of great quality and not one time was there a problem with coming apart, in spite of some pretty drastic ‘handling‘ at times.  We had wanted the color to be a little closer to a mustard/gold, but the yellow ones look pretty good - and, we were getting a little disparate by this time!  ;-)  You might be able to get a set of ‘S’ Royal Blue decals printed by Josh, he should still have the artwork. 
It’s okay by us if you use our artwork.  They were a little pricey, but you might be able to get them a little cheaper since Josh wouldn’t have to re-do the set-up, etc.


Jay Mellon - Regarding the decals, see the previous paragraph!  The Polly Scale "B&O Royal Blue" (which is quit dark) and "D&H Gray" water based paint were applied with an air brush with very little water ‘thinner’.  The “D&H Gray” in the ‘swosh‘ near the top of the tender, however, was applied with a brush (to save some time in extra masking that would have been required if we had used the airbrush - also, clean-up was a lot easier!).   The Rustoleum #7777 satin black was applied straight from its own spray can.  For the primer we used Floquil light gray flat primer also straight from its own spray can.  We used Model Master Clear Gloss Lacquer overcoat also straight from its own spray can.  We applied one coat of the Clear Gloss Lacquer on the surfaces that were to receive the decals, then after the decals were applied and had dried sufficiently, we applied two more coats of the Clear Gloss Lacquer.  For quite some time, now, I have
gently heated spray cans to the point they feel just a little ‘warm’ to the touch - I just kept checking the can bottom’s temperature (by feel) and kept shaking it during the warm-up process.  (This adds more pressure in the can and seems to make the paint flow better.)  At first I used my wife’s hairdryer to apply heat - that was rather time consuming.  Later, I discovered that an old, discarded heating pad (which no longer had an operable ‘high’ setting) worked much better.  Just wrap the heating pad around the can and use the ‘low’ or ‘medium’ setting to heat the can up - keeping it well agitated all that time.  WARNING: Don’t go off and forget you have a can of spray paint in the make-shift ‘heater’, as it can get too hot.  I was working on the project once, and heard a sort of ‘creaking/popping’ sound.  I thought I’d better see what is was.  It turned out that the temperature (and thus pressure) in the can I
was heating got a little too high and actually started pushing the bottom of the spray can ‘out’.  (The bottom of the spray can was now partially convex, instead of concave - as it should have been.)  So, not wanting the can to explode all over the place, I quickly went to our make-shift ‘spray booth’ and released some pressure in the can.  LESSON LEARNED!  ;-)


For those of you who spray models inside your home, you might consider making a cheap spray booth like the one I set up.  Find a large cardboard box.  Put it somewhere where it’s at a convenient height - and near a window.  Have sufficient lighting available (I used a couple cheap spot lights aimed at the booth.)  Then, punch a small hole in the top, near the back, and insert the suction hose of a shop vac.  Then add another hose to the discharge port on the shop vac, and stick it through an open window.  I used some packaging tape and cardboard to seal the window so the spray paint fumes and wind would stay OUTSIDE!  It worked pretty good, and really reduced the fumes and spray dust that otherwise would have been generated.


Jerry Poniatowski - We have kind-of started documenting this project - I guess this message is a ‘start’.  We’ll offer it to S Gaugian or the Dispatch if they’re interested.  I’ve already made a slide show for my grandson that shows ‘before’ & ‘after’ photos along with some short descriptions.  My wife thinks my son and I like the ‘set’ more than our grandson.  However, it was reported that the day after he first received his ‘new’ Royal Blue train set, he went to their basement 5 different times to operate it on his dad’s TMCC-equipped ‘S’ highrail layout!  ;-)  THIS IS a GREAT HOBBY, isn’t it?  :-)


Regards, Randy Griggs

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69362 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Watching paint dry
I've been using a pair of cheap "clip on" work lights with the round aluminum shades for years. Each light has a standard 100 watt light bulb in it.

For small parts or sections of a model, usually I use one light from 12 to 15 inches away from the item for an hour. I use both lights for a whole loco or car in order to heat all sides. For times of high humidity, I "bake" the paint longer or move the lights closer. (Care must be taken for resin items if you move the lights closer.)

Slow, but sure, and bakes the finish without bleaching.

I didn't need this step much back when I used toulene based paints like Floquil Railroad Colors, but it's almost a "must do" step with acrylics like Polly Scale.

I also let paint set for a further 24 hours before any masking, and then use the newer blue masking tape, or model masking tape. I also do this before using a second color when "freehand" painting on slot cars to create unique paint juobs.

So far, so good, but I always cross my fingers as well!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69363 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: lumpy painrs
what hasn't been addressed, is that the lumps are your paint's
pigments, and if you strain them
out, your final color will either be a slight off shade, or your
finished paint will be extreme;y thin,
so the problem begins with how to avoid the lumps to start with, that
i will leave to the professionals
mel perry
Group: S-Trains Message: 69364 From: mike boyd Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] “The Royal Blue” Conversion Project
Randy, nicely said and NICELY DONE!! Mike

--- On Sun, 4/15/12, Randall Griggs <rlgriggs@...> wrote:


From: Randall Griggs <rlgriggs@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] “The Royal Blue” Conversion Project
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 15, 2012, 12:01 PM


First off, I want to apologize for the length of this ‘dissertation’.  Second, here are a few reply comments to those of you who responded to my original post.  Thanks, EVERYONE, for your kind words!

David Dewey - You are absolutely right about the plastic Silver Bullet shell being a little less accurate than the metal die-cast one.  The plastic shell has an extension on the top - near the cab - that the die-cast one or prototype doesn’t have.  The die-cast shell also has the front grill cast-on - in the ‘cow-catcher area, which the plastic shell doesn’t.  Even so, we contemplated using a die-cast one; BUT, already had a plastic one, so that’s what we used.  There was a square edge at the front of the walkway, above the steam cylinder cover, that had to be ground down (rounded) so the decal from the front logo could match up with the top stripe of the walkway.  Not much trouble for my son with a Dremel tool.  Also, the smoke stack ‘extension’ extends too far forward on the plastic engine casting, but we decided it would be too much trouble trying to figure out how to fix this little problem.  We also filled in the depression in the
plastic shell’s cab where the #356 number was placed.  (The prototype did not have this recess.)  We did this with Squadron body filler - had to apply two coats since is was a fairly deep recess, but this looked much better on the finished model.  We were pleasantly surprised to see so many of the prototype features included on the AF loco casting.  My son milled down the back chassis support stud so the locomotive would not have a frontal ‘rake’, and sit ‘level’.  Your idea to “... solder some nuts to the corners of the tender shell and drill the base so one can easily get to the "guts" in the tender instead of dealing with the fragile metal tabs.” is really a good one.  The tabs on our tender - thankfully - remained flexible and did not break off.


Mike Andrzejewski - The decals ended up being a major ‘snafu’ for us.  My son tried to work with one supplier, but there were problems getting the artwork finalized.  So, my son decided to make the decals himself.  They looked great on the decal paper, but when test applied to the model they simply vanished - not opaque enough to stand out on the dark blue model.  We ended up getting decals made (on an ALPS printer) by: Bedlam Creations (bedlamcreations.com).  Josh Muma <jmumn@...> did a good job for us.  The decals were of great quality and not one time was there a problem with coming apart, in spite of some pretty drastic ‘handling‘ at times.  We had wanted the color to be a little closer to a mustard/gold, but the yellow ones look pretty good - and, we were getting a little disparate by this time!  ;-)  You might be able to get a set of ‘S’ Royal Blue decals printed by Josh, he should still have the artwork. 
It’s okay by us if you use our artwork.  They were a little pricey, but you might be able to get them a little cheaper since Josh wouldn’t have to re-do the set-up, etc.


Jay Mellon - Regarding the decals, see the previous paragraph!  The Polly Scale "B&O Royal Blue" (which is quit dark) and "D&H Gray" water based paint were applied with an air brush with very little water ‘thinner’.  The “D&H Gray” in the ‘swosh‘ near the top of the tender, however, was applied with a brush (to save some time in extra masking that would have been required if we had used the airbrush - also, clean-up was a lot easier!).   The Rustoleum #7777 satin black was applied straight from its own spray can.  For the primer we used Floquil light gray flat primer also straight from its own spray can.  We used Model Master Clear Gloss Lacquer overcoat also straight from its own spray can.  We applied one coat of the Clear Gloss Lacquer on the surfaces that were to receive the decals, then after the decals were applied and had dried sufficiently, we applied two more coats of the Clear Gloss Lacquer.  For quite some time, now, I have
gently heated spray cans to the point they feel just a little ‘warm’ to the touch - I just kept checking the can bottom’s temperature (by feel) and kept shaking it during the warm-up process.  (This adds more pressure in the can and seems to make the paint flow better.)  At first I used my wife’s hairdryer to apply heat - that was rather time consuming.  Later, I discovered that an old, discarded heating pad (which no longer had an operable ‘high’ setting) worked much better.  Just wrap the heating pad around the can and use the ‘low’ or ‘medium’ setting to heat the can up - keeping it well agitated all that time.  WARNING: Don’t go off and forget you have a can of spray paint in the make-shift ‘heater’, as it can get too hot.  I was working on the project once, and heard a sort of ‘creaking/popping’ sound.  I thought I’d better see what is was.  It turned out that the temperature (and thus pressure) in the can I
was heating got a little too high and actually started pushing the bottom of the spray can ‘out’.  (The bottom of the spray can was now partially convex, instead of concave - as it should have been.)  So, not wanting the can to explode all over the place, I quickly went to our make-shift ‘spray booth’ and released some pressure in the can.  LESSON LEARNED!  ;-)


For those of you who spray models inside your home, you might consider making a cheap spray booth like the one I set up.  Find a large cardboard box.  Put it somewhere where it’s at a convenient height - and near a window.  Have sufficient lighting available (I used a couple cheap spot lights aimed at the booth.)  Then, punch a small hole in the top, near the back, and insert the suction hose of a shop vac.  Then add another hose to the discharge port on the shop vac, and stick it through an open window.  I used some packaging tape and cardboard to seal the window so the spray paint fumes and wind would stay OUTSIDE!  It worked pretty good, and really reduced the fumes and spray dust that otherwise would have been generated.


Jerry Poniatowski - We have kind-of started documenting this project - I guess this message is a ‘start’.  We’ll offer it to S Gaugian or the Dispatch if they’re interested.  I’ve already made a slide show for my grandson that shows ‘before’ & ‘after’ photos along with some short descriptions.  My wife thinks my son and I like the ‘set’ more than our grandson.  However, it was reported that the day after he first received his ‘new’ Royal Blue train set, he went to their basement 5 different times to operate it on his dad’s TMCC-equipped ‘S’ highrail layout!  ;-)  THIS IS a GREAT HOBBY, isn’t it?  :-)


Regards, Randy Griggs

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69365 From: Jerry Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Watching paint dry
Hi Thorin,

I can sympathize with your plight. I've been there.

First of all, if at all possible, I do NOT use acrylic or any water
based paints unless I absolutely have to. I much prefer the solvent
based ones and feel they are more "robust" and dry harder. But when I
do use any water based paint, I make sure the paint is shaken (not
stirred) well. I use a mechanical shaker similar to the large versions
you see in hardware stores. It does a great job, and saves wear and
tear on the old arms. You didn't say what model of air brush you are
using, but it shouldn't matter in the end. I have an old Pasche, and
they make a cylindrical strainer that fits over the intake pipe on the
head of the airbrush. It's a very fine screen cylinder with a hole in
its plastic top for the intake tube. You just slide it over the tube.
It works great, and should fit any airbrush. (By the way, I modified a
spare paint cap to accept the fitting that goes into the air brush, so I
only need to screw it onto a bottle and start spraying) I have had good
results thinning Polly S paints with water (not a lot) and saving it in
a tightly sealed bottle. I try to thin only what I feel I can use for
that painting session. I just used a bottle of Poly S Enchantment Blue
on a paint job last week that I thinned two years ago. It came out
fine. Just shake, shake, shake.

If the masking tape lifts previous coats, perhaps either the surface
wasn't cleaned, or as another fellow suggested, there wasn't enough
"bite" on the surface. With resin castings, you have to be very
thorough in cleaning the surface before painting. Mold release agents,
or just the silicone residue from the mold will hamper adhesion. So
clean the surface well using detergent and a fine brush and rinse,
rinse, rinse. If necessary, use extremely fine wet sandpaper to roughen
the surface, but make sure it's very clean afterward.

Using a piece of glass to lessen the tape's adhesive is also a good
suggestion. I always do this. Mainly to get a very sharp line since I
usually cut the tape from 1" to a half inch or less using a sharp hobby
knife. This will give you a very nice, sharp edge. Lastly, when
removing the tape, remove it slowly, and at a very sharp angle. Almost
doubling it back upon itself. This will put less pulling force upon the
previous coats.

I've also painted all sorts of surfaces. Brass is nice because you can
bake it in a box with lights in it, or if very careful, in an oven at a
controlled temperature (especially with Scalecoat I paint). Styrene
plastic can be gently "baked" under warm lights. Resin is best left to
dry on its own. Allow a few days for better results, especially with
acrylic paints. Using a fan is not a bad idea, but only after the paint
has set, and skinned over. Dust shouldn't be an issue. Direct sunlight
is OK too. Don't worry too much about fading. The model won't be
exposed all that long. But it the model is resin, be VERY careful so as
not to risk warping. But I'm afraid the bottom line is that with most
paints, there is no substitute for time for making paint dry. It's the
best way all around.

Good luck, and let as all know how it turns out.

Jerry


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Thorin Marty <lagthor@...> wrote:
>
> Good morning:
> I apply masking to my model and then remove it. It is taking
the paint
> underneath with it. Careful examination reviled the paint was not
rock-hard
> where it lifted. (I do not suspect my tape. I am using a brand-new
roll of 3M
> automotive masking tape and Pactra 1/8 masking tape.)
>
> My models are made of epoxy, brass, phosphor bronze, white metal,
plastic, wood,
> styrene, and more.
>
> I thought of using a fan but I don't want to blow dust at my drying
paint. I
> thought of using the oven on low but I am not sure the white metal and
styrene
> will survive. And wood is flammable.
>
> The only thing I have come up with is hot, direct, sunlight. Besides
bleaching
> the model, I have to have bright sun light. Today I have thick
clouds. Tonight
> it will be, well, night.
>
> I use ONLY water base paints. Until the paint is bone dry, I dare not
mask
> again or add or decals.
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion on how to speed up the drying process?
> Thorin
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69366 From: Al Baker Date: 4/15/2012
Subject: Re: Watching paint dry
It's probably the wrong thing to do, but I have on a few occasions used a hairdryer. I just do it enough to warm it a bit, not bake it. Be real careful though, it won't take much to damage plastic.

Al Baker



> Does anyone have a suggestion on how to speed up the drying process?
> Thorin
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69367 From: Ray Puls Date: 4/16/2012
Subject: Re: watching paint dry
    Marty,
I have used a fair amount of the acryilic paint both Poly S and the Badger, the times that I have had paint lift was when my paint coat was to heavy an application per coat. I let mine dry over night no heat or fans and it seems to work fine; so far.
I use the Badger 200NH but I have also used an old Badger Model 200, the 200 came with a screen that fit on the paint pickup tube and I do use that on the 200NH, it fixed the clog problem for me.
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69368 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 4/16/2012
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] “The Royal Blue” Conversion Project
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike boyd" <toorailer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 8:44:21 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] “The Royal Blue” Conversion Project








For those of you who spray models inside your home, you might consider making a cheap spray booth like the one I set up. Find a large cardboard box. Put it somewhere where it’s at a convenient height - and near a window. Have sufficient lighting available (I used a couple cheap spot lights aimed at the booth.) Then, punch a small hole in the top, near the back, and insert the suction hose of a shop vac. Then add another hose to the discharge port on the shop vac, and stick it through an open window. I used some packaging tape and cardboard to seal the window so the spray paint fumes and wind would stay OUTSIDE! It worked pretty good, and really reduced the fumes and spray dust that otherwise would have been generated.
.






***********************************************

First.... let me add my "Well Done" to list of well deserved compliments from the group.


However, I must add a word of serious caution to those who might want to try your Shop Vac vent. There is a serious risk of explosion doing this if you use solvent based paints. Some paints even use propane as one of the propellants. I am reading a can of paint right now that says it contains ... propane. toluene, mineral spirits, butane and a few other volatiles...


The air path of a shop vac takes the air very close to the open brush motor.


Just a thought....


Mark Anderman ___

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69369 From: Anthony Cynor Date: 4/16/2012
Subject: Re: Watching paint dry
Sounds like grease, oil or release agents. Make sure hands are clean
and model is also. Especially Resin and metal.

Sunlight or baking helps but if it is humid ionly time will work. Use
low tack tapes. On metal and resin a high quality automotive primer may
be a good idea.

Let everything dry hard, being lazy about getting around to it really helps.

Tony
Group: S-Trains Message: 69370 From: Steven Allen Date: 4/16/2012
Subject: Re: Watching paint dry
Thorin,

Can I assume you are applying a coat of paint to the cars surface, then masking it to in order to apply another color. If that is the case I have had some experience painting and masking. A couple years ago I took a set of undecorated American Models heavyweight passenger cars and painted them in the Polar Express paint scheme. The first thing I did was to thoroughly wash the car in warm water with a little dish detergent, rinse and thoroughly dry. I was told by an experienced model painter not to rush the process. He told me after I applied the first/base coat (in this case the Polar Express gray) I let it set for at least 3 days to allow the paint to dry completely. Once I did that, I applied model masking tape by Tomiya, then to cover the remainder of the car, I used 3M blue masking tape and a folded paper towel attached to the tape to cover the remining area. I then applied the maroon color to the exposed area. I almost immediately removed the masking tape so not to peel the maroon paint, as it could have if I let it sit and dry. I did not have any issue with the base paint peeling off with the tape removal. I've used this technique a number of times since, and have had no incidents. As with most paints, they dry from the outside in, so if you don't allow the base color to set and dry, it will most likely peel upon tape removal.

Good luck.

Steve


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Thorin Marty <lagthor@...> wrote:
>
> Good morning:
> I apply masking to my model and then remove it. It is taking the paint
> underneath with it. Careful examination reviled the paint was not rock-hard
> where it lifted. (I do not suspect my tape. I am using a brand-new roll of 3M
> automotive masking tape and Pactra 1/8 masking tape.)
>
> My models are made of epoxy, brass, phosphor bronze, white metal, plastic, wood,
> styrene, and more.
>
> I thought of using a fan but I don't want to blow dust at my drying paint. I
> thought of using the oven on low but I am not sure the white metal and styrene
> will survive. And wood is flammable.
>
> The only thing I have come up with is hot, direct, sunlight. Besides bleaching
> the model, I have to have bright sun light. Today I have thick clouds. Tonight
> it will be, well, night.
>
> I use ONLY water base paints. Until the paint is bone dry, I dare not mask
> again or add or decals.
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion on how to speed up the drying process?
> Thorin
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69371 From: rlg44 Date: 4/16/2012
Subject: Re: The Royal Blue Conversion Project-Paint Spray Booth
Mark,

I've never had even a hint of a propellent explosion with the Rube Goldberg spray paint booth I described below. I used water-based acrylics as well as 'spray can' paints on our Royal Blue project. I never once gave possible explosion a thought, although I would have to agree it may be possible. Perhaps I was lucky enough that the fuel/air ratio in the exhausted air wasn't high enough to cause a problem!!??

I HAVE HAD a problem when trying to lubricate the cutting blades on my cross-cut paper shredder with spray silicone lubricant. My 'experience' shows that the shredder doesn't 'explode' when the shredder is set to 'ON'. However, it seems to 'explode' when it is set to 'REVERSE'!!?? It makes a popping sound that always surprises me, but has never set the waste can of shredded paper on fire! ;-)

In any case, I appreciate your warning. Actually, I never thought about that risk. (If my spray booth shop vac had gone 'POP', I might have UNDERSTOOD!) :-) Thanks!

Regards, Randy Griggs

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Manderman@... wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mike boyd" <toorailer@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 8:44:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Royal Blue Conversion Project
> ***********************************************
> For those of you who spray models inside your home, you might consider making a cheap spray booth like the one I set up. Find a large cardboard box. Put it somewhere where it's at a convenient height - and near a window. Have sufficient lighting available (I used a couple cheap spot lights aimed at the booth.) Then, punch a small hole in the top, near the back, and insert the suction hose of a shop vac. Then add another hose to the discharge port on the shop vac, and stick it through an open window. I used some packaging tape and cardboard to seal the window so the spray paint fumes and wind would stay OUTSIDE! It worked pretty good, and really reduced the fumes and spray dust that otherwise would have been generated. - R. Griggs
> ***********************************************
>
> First.... let me add my "Well Done" to list of well deserved compliments from the group.
>
> However, I must add a word of serious caution to those who might want to try your Shop Vac vent. There is a serious risk of explosion doing this if you use solvent based paints. Some paints even use propane as one of the propellants. I am reading a can of paint right now that says it contains ... propane. toluene, mineral spirits, butane and a few other volatiles...
>
> The air path of a shop vac takes the air very close to the open brush motor.
>
> Just a thought....
>
> Mark Anderman
Group: S-Trains Message: 69372 From: Robert Date: 4/16/2012
Subject: Re: Watching paint dry
Sounds like everybody is on the right track pun intended. There are several rules of thumb. One TAKE YOUR TIME AND DON'T RUSH as Steve stated the lightest color goes on first it's easier to spray over white for instance than over black.I usually let the paint dry a few days before masking.One of my modeler friends who models in HO puts his plastic body shells minus any metal super detailing parts in the microwave for a few seconds at a time.I don't know if this really works or not but I wouldn't go more than 15 seconds any more might ruin the body shell. The best bet would be to do that with a scrap body shell of the same type plastic or invest in a spare body shell to use for testing.Just take it slow and be careful.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Allen" <allens1017@...> wrote:
>
> Thorin,
>
> Can I assume you are applying a coat of paint to the cars surface, then masking it to in order to apply another color. If that is the case I have had some experience painting and masking. A couple years ago I took a set of undecorated American Models heavyweight passenger cars and painted them in the Polar Express paint scheme. The first thing I did was to thoroughly wash the car in warm water with a little dish detergent, rinse and thoroughly dry. I was told by an experienced model painter not to rush the process. He told me after I applied the first/base coat (in this case the Polar Express gray) I let it set for at least 3 days to allow the paint to dry completely. Once I did that, I applied model masking tape by Tomiya, then to cover the remainder of the car, I used 3M blue masking tape and a folded paper towel attached to the tape to cover the remining area. I then applied the maroon color to the exposed area. I almost immediately removed the masking tape so not to peel the maroon paint, as it could have if I let it sit and dry. I did not have any issue with the base paint peeling off with the tape removal. I've used this technique a number of times since, and have had no incidents. As with most paints, they dry from the outside in, so if you don't allow the base color to set and dry, it will most likely peel upon tape removal.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Steve
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Thorin Marty <lagthor@> wrote:
> >
> > Good morning:
> > I apply masking to my model and then remove it. It is taking the paint
> > underneath with it. Careful examination reviled the paint was not rock-hard
> > where it lifted. (I do not suspect my tape. I am using a brand-new roll of 3M
> > automotive masking tape and Pactra 1/8 masking tape.)
> >
> > My models are made of epoxy, brass, phosphor bronze, white metal, plastic, wood,
> > styrene, and more.
> >
> > I thought of using a fan but I don't want to blow dust at my drying paint. I
> > thought of using the oven on low but I am not sure the white metal and styrene
> > will survive. And wood is flammable.
> >
> > The only thing I have come up with is hot, direct, sunlight. Besides bleaching
> > the model, I have to have bright sun light. Today I have thick clouds. Tonight
> > it will be, well, night.
> >
> > I use ONLY water base paints. Until the paint is bone dry, I dare not mask
> > again or add or decals.
> >
> > Does anyone have a suggestion on how to speed up the drying process?
> > Thorin
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69373 From: Jerry Date: 4/16/2012
Subject: AM Heavyweight interiors
S Folks,

A one page article I wrote for the S Gaugian appeared in the latest
issue concerning the installation of American Models' Budd interiors in
their heavyweight cars. If anybody has any questions concerning the
process, or would like to get some more photos, contact me off list.
I'd be glad to help. The Budd interiors are available separately from
American Models. Ron Bashista, the owner of the company, has just about
any part for his products if you call them directly. But it's been so
long since I did the project, I forgot exactly how much the interiors
cost. Not all that much considering how easy the basic project is.
Making the car light up adds to the complexity.

Jerry
Cutting and Fitting in Wayne, MI





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69374 From: Tom Detmer Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
Jerry,

I read the article with interest and am considering trying it. Two
questions occurred to me. The tabs you mentioned so you can "lift off
the roof" appear to be at the floor level and what you lift off is not
only the roof, but the entire car body including the sides and roof. Is
that correct? Also, my cars have all plastic wheel trucks so it would
be necessary to swap out the wheel sets to get metal wheels so lighting
could be added. Am I correct about the need to do that? Thanks for
doing the article as I had been thinking of the project before you wrote
the article.

Tom

On 4/17/2012 12:01 AM, Jerry wrote:
>
> S Folks,
>
> A one page article I wrote for the S Gaugian appeared in the latest
> issue concerning the installation of American Models' Budd interiors in
> their heavyweight cars. If anybody has any questions concerning the
> process, or would like to get some more photos, contact me off list.
> I'd be glad to help. The Budd interiors are available separately from
> American Models. Ron Bashista, the owner of the company, has just about
> any part for his products if you call them directly. But it's been so
> long since I did the project, I forgot exactly how much the interiors
> cost. Not all that much considering how easy the basic project is.
> Making the car light up adds to the complexity.
>
> Jerry
> Cutting and Fitting in Wayne, MI
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69375 From: David Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: NEW QUARTERING TOOL (0-8-0 & 0-6-0), Advertisement
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tool that can quarter the 0-6-0's as far as we know, but we may be
wrong.

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the premiere tool for kit bashers.

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please go to our web site at

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The first delivery date is 05-01-2012 but you may want to order early as
we expect to receive ONLY SIX (6) UNITS on our initial shipment.

Thank you all for your GREAT IDEAS AND CONTINUING SUPPORT.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69376 From: Jerry Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
Tom,

The roof and windows are one piece, and held in place with 6 tabs that
lock in the side/floor assembly. Getting them to release involves
pushing them up from the underside with a flat blade screw driver.
"Lift out" would have been a better choice of words.

If you have plastic wheels, then yes, you will need one metal wheel on
each axle if you want to light the cars, plus a way to get the current
to the interior. AM uses phosphor bronze wipers on the axles. All my
cars already had the wheels and wipers.

I completed two entire trains this way, and results were worth it. Now,
I need to put passengers in the cars. The MTH figures are just right,
but I haven't painted them yet.

Hope this helps.

Jerry

PS In the article, the second cut doesn't involve cutting off any
plastic in the doorway, but rather adding material.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom Detmer <detmer@...> wrote:
>
> Jerry,
>
> I read the article with interest and am considering trying it. Two
> questions occurred to me. The tabs you mentioned so you can "lift off
> the roof" appear to be at the floor level and what you lift off is not
> only the roof, but the entire car body including the sides and roof.
Is
> that correct? Also, my cars have all plastic wheel trucks so it would
> be necessary to swap out the wheel sets to get metal wheels so
lighting
> could be added. Am I correct about the need to do that? Thanks for
> doing the article as I had been thinking of the project before you
wrote
> the article.
>
> Tom
>
> On 4/17/2012 12:01 AM, Jerry wrote:
> >
> > S Folks,
> >
> > A one page article I wrote for the S Gaugian appeared in the latest
> > issue concerning the installation of American Models' Budd interiors
in
> > their heavyweight cars. If anybody has any questions concerning the
> > process, or would like to get some more photos, contact me off list.
> > I'd be glad to help. The Budd interiors are available separately
from
> > American Models. Ron Bashista, the owner of the company, has just
about
> > any part for his products if you call them directly. But it's been
so
> > long since I did the project, I forgot exactly how much the
interiors
> > cost. Not all that much considering how easy the basic project is.
> > Making the car light up adds to the complexity.
> >
> > Jerry
> > Cutting and Fitting in Wayne, MI
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69377 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
Hi All,

I've noticed that a lot of bridges and trestles have a set of rails inside the track rails (I hope that is understandable). I have always assumed these inner rails were to help keep the train from running off the bridge in case of a derailment. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, what is the purpose of these rails?

Thanks,

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69378 From: Tom Detmer Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
Jerry,

Thanks for the info. I suspected what you just said about the car
bodies is what I have but I wanted to make sure I didn't have some
variation I have to deal with.

Unfortunately I don't have the metal wheels. So some ingenuity will be
required. Not the end of the world. I think Ron Bashista does sell
lighting for interiors but I don't know if it presumes that the metal
wheels and wipers already exist or not. It probably does.

These kinds of challenges are what makes the hobby fun.

Tom

On 4/17/2012 8:22 AM, Jerry wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> The roof and windows are one piece, and held in place with 6 tabs that
> lock in the side/floor assembly. Getting them to release involves
> pushing them up from the underside with a flat blade screw driver.
> "Lift out" would have been a better choice of words.
>
> If you have plastic wheels, then yes, you will need one metal wheel on
> each axle if you want to light the cars, plus a way to get the current
> to the interior. AM uses phosphor bronze wipers on the axles. All my
> cars already had the wheels and wipers.
>
> I completed two entire trains this way, and results were worth it. Now,
> I need to put passengers in the cars. The MTH figures are just right,
> but I haven't painted them yet.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Jerry
>
> PS In the article, the second cut doesn't involve cutting off any
> plastic in the doorway, but rather adding material.
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69379 From: George Cohn Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: The Royal Blue Conversion Project-Paint Spray Booth
On 4/16/2012 7:19 PM, rlg44 wrote:
> Mark,
>
> I've never had even a hint of a propellent explosion with the Rube
> Goldberg spray paint booth I described below.

Another thought would be to get one of those cheap brush less fans like
used in computers. They are very cheap, usually under $10.

They are also available in 110 volt versions like this one:
http://tinyurl.com/7xhsmoo

I would think that not having any brushes, there is no arcing and
virtually no possibility of igniting fumes.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 69380 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
Hi David,

Yes, these are bridge guard rails. If a car is derailed, they prevent an
accident from becoming an even worse one!

I generally model them with the next-size-down rail height. For example,
I use code 83 rail, so I use code 70 rail for the bridge rails. Since in
the modeling world they are purely cosmetic, you can spike them or even
glue them down. I recently built a real-world two-foot bridge to span
the gap between my layout and a removable module in the room's closet. I
didn't have enough code 70 rail, so I used code 55 rail, and just used
superglue at every tie to hold the rail in place. Five-minute epoxy
works, too, which I have used in the past.

See about halfway down the page on this page:

http://pmrr.org/Structures/ChartiersPGBridge/Bridge3.htm

The bend at the end of the rails is usually well off of the bridge, but
since my bridge needs to be removable, I decided to include the bends in
the bridge section.

Hope this helps,
- Peter.

On 04/17/2012 9:28 am, bull_gator_1 wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I've noticed that a lot of bridges and trestles have a set of rails inside the track rails (I hope that is understandable). I have always assumed these inner rails were to help keep the train from running off the bridge in case of a derailment. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, what is the purpose of these rails?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>

--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
http://nasg.org/
--


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69381 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
You got it in one!

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 4/17/2012 10:28 AM, bull_gator_1 wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I've noticed that a lot of bridges and trestles have a set of rails inside the track rails (I hope that is understandable). I have always assumed these inner rails were to help keep the train from running off the bridge in case of a derailment. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, what is the purpose of these rails?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69382 From: Robert Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
David,
Those are guard rails and you are correct they are to keep the car(or train) on the bridge or trestle in case of a derailment.
Bob





























































0

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've noticed that a lot of bridges and trestles have a set of rails inside the track rails (I hope that is understandable). I have always assumed these inner rails were to help keep the train from running off the bridge in case of a derailment. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, what is the purpose of these rails?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69383 From: Timboy Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
Hi David,

That is my understanding as well. It doesn't always work, though. About 12 years ago, a couple loaded coal cars went off the Rockville Bridge in Marysville, PA. I happened to be fishing that EXACT spot when I was on a fishing trip in that area at the time! OMG!

Regards,
Tim

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've noticed that a lot of bridges and trestles have a set of rails inside the track rails (I hope that is understandable). I have always assumed these inner rails were to help keep the train from running off the bridge in case of a derailment. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, what is the purpose of these rails?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69384 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
Yup, that's it. Some short bridges had no guard rails, most had two - one
inside each outer rail, some had only only one guard rail. Jeff Madden

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 9:28 AM, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've noticed that a lot of bridges and trestles have a set of rails inside
> the track rails (I hope that is understandable). I have always assumed
> these inner rails were to help keep the train from running off the bridge
> in case of a derailment. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, what is
> the purpose of these rails?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69385 From: Robert Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
As you drive through Spokane, Washington on I-90 if you are westbound shortly before you climb the hill at the west end of town there is a bridge that is owned by the BNSF. Back in the early 90's when it was just BN they dropped a boxcar (I believe it was a boxcar)onto I-90 just missing a Greyhound bus. As I recall it was around Thanksgiving. So as you can see those guardrails don't always work as intended.
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
I> Hi David,
> )
> That is my understanding as well. It doesn't always work, though. About 12 years ago, a couple loaded coal cars went off the Rockville Bridge in Marysville, PA. I happened to be fishing that EXACT spot when I was on a fishing trip in that area at the time! OMG!
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've noticed that a lot of bridges and trestles have a set of rails inside the track rails (I hope that is understandable). I have always assumed these inner rails were to help keep the train from running off the bridge in case of a derailment. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, what is the purpose of these rails?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > David
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69386 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
These photos of your progressive steps in building this bridge are really
outstanding, as is the final product.

Where did you get the sides of the bridge?

- Earl Henry,
Nashville


In a message dated 4/17/2012 11:51:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
groups@... writes:




Hi David,

Yes, these are bridge guard rails. If a car is derailed, they prevent an
accident from becoming an even worse one!

I generally model them with the next-size-down rail height. For example,
I use code 83 rail, so I use code 70 rail for the bridge rails. Since in
the modeling world they are purely cosmetic, you can spike them or even
glue them down. I recently built a real-world two-foot bridge to span
the gap between my layout and a removable module in the room's closet. I
didn't have enough code 70 rail, so I used code 55 rail, and just used
superglue at every tie to hold the rail in place. Five-minute epoxy
works, too, which I have used in the past.

See about halfway down the page on this page:

_http://pmrr.org/Structures/ChartiersPGBridge/Bridge3.htm_
(http://pmrr.org/Structures/ChartiersPGBridge/Bridge3.htm)

The bend at the end of the rails is usually well off of the bridge, but
since my bridge needs to be removable, I decided to include the bends in
the bridge section.

Hope this helps,
- Peter.

On 04/17/2012 9:28 am, bull_gator_1 wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I've noticed that a lot of bridges and trestles have a set of rails
inside the track rails (I hope that is understandable). I have always assumed
these inner rails were to help keep the train from running off the bridge in
case of a derailment. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, what is the
purpose of these rails?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>

--
Peter Vanvliet (_peter@..._ (mailto:peter@...) )
Houston, Texas

_http://pmrr.org/_ (http://pmrr.org/) (my model railroad - RSS feed
<_http://pmrr.org/rss.xml_ (http://pmrr.org/rss.xml) >)
_http://fourthray.com/_ (http://fourthray.com/) (my company)
_http://houstonsgaugers.org/_ (http://houstonsgaugers.org/) (model
railroad club)
_http://nasg.org/_ (http://nasg.org/)
--

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69387 From: Robert Conner Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
Yes.... the 2 INNER rails are to help hold the train on the track...... But don't forget the GAUNTLET trackwork..... Looks VERY similar, but it is two seperate tracks merged into one to cross a narrow bridge!!!!!! One track operates on the right outside rail and the other rail is the left inside,,,, The othe track is just the opposite.... I remember one near my home in WV when I was a little puppy..... Bob Conner

--- On Tue, 4/17/12, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:


From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 10:28 AM



 



Hi All,

I've noticed that a lot of bridges and trestles have a set of rails inside the track rails (I hope that is understandable). I have always assumed these inner rails were to help keep the train from running off the bridge in case of a derailment. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, what is the purpose of these rails?

Thanks,

David








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Group: S-Trains Message: 69388 From: Tom Hawley Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
----- Original Message -----
> I've noticed that a lot of bridges and trestles have a set of rails inside
> the track rails . . . . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
I have also seen this in Lansing Michigan where the CN/GTW tracks go under a
monstrous coal dock that stradles the tracks. The track nearest each base
has one guard rail on the side that would (it is hoped) keep an errant rail
car from hitting the concrete structure base.

The coal dock can be seen at:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/t8ItT-wb8TpV4ZAqocgn6Q

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 69389 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Bridge/Trestle Trackwork Question
Hi Earl,

Thank you! I built them from scratch. I used a couple of sheets of
0.010" styrene and glued them to the wood block that serves as the
bridge's foundation. I used five-minute epoxy to glue the styrene sheet
to it. I did the same thing to the bottom of the block of wood (I can
see the bottom of the bridge when I sit at my desk). I didn't do it to
the back side of the bridge, because that isn't visible (no sense
wasting styrene for that).

I then used some scale four-inch styrene angle parts (all styrene
product is from Evergreen; found at any good mrr shop), and glued those
at regular intervals to the sheet styrene using Testors plastic glue.
This required some tedious cutting, but it wasn't too bad. A small
T-square helped me to glue them on straight. I then used Model Masters
"Gray Primer" (spray can bought at Hobby Lobby) to paint the whole
thing. Any styrene glue smudges disappear (mostly).

- Peter.

On 04/17/2012 12:40 pm, tennsgauge@... wrote:
> These photos of your progressive steps in building this bridge are really
> outstanding, as is the final product.
>
> Where did you get the sides of the bridge?
>
> - Earl Henry,
> Nashville
>

--
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Houston, Texas

http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
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http://nasg.org/
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69390 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Guard Rails - Glossary
Hi All,

Many thanks to all those who answered my question so quickly. Once I learned the term is guard rail, I did a quick google search and found this site:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_rail_transport_terms#S

Not only did I learn the answer but I also found a great glossary of railroad terms for future reference!

Thanks again,

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69391 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Fred Jester Inventory--MARK Your Calendars
Fred Jester's ( TCA 76-9237 ) Inventory is being offered for sale, CASH &
CARRY on Thursday Oct 18th & Friday, Oct 19th. during the Eastern Division
TCA Meet in York, PA.

This is NOT affiliated to or restricted to that meet, ANYONE can buy.


This will NOT be a "Parts Sale". PARTS INVENTORY disposition is already
determined.

Fred had a huge inventory of different gauges of Track, Trains, Race
Sets, Accessories, etc. Items will be displayed & priced on tables in the
RELIANCE FIRE HALL, 1341 West Market St, York during the Eastern Division TCA
Meet.

This is NOT affiliated or restricted to that meet, ANYONE can buy.

ALL SALES ARE FINAL----CASH ONLY.

Barry King _kingkodak@..._ (mailto:kingkodak@...) is
contact.

IF you are not a TCA member, THIS would be the perfect time to join and
experience BOTH functions. Visit Traincollectors.org for info on joining
TCA. The process has been streamlined considerably.

Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69392 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Diesel field rewinding -follow up
Both fields on my trusty 370 have been rewound and kit definitely runs better. I took the time to gauge the wire that came off and it was 0.0124 so 30 gauge, not 28. So the fields wound with 26 gauge are much beefier.

On the track, it pulls a dummy A along with the B unit and four 960s cars. The 960s are weighted with enough electronics that they weigh as much or more than 660s cars. With that train on level track, it draws 2.5 amps. Up the grade it draws a little under 3 amps. It will cruise along at 8 volts ( looks almost scale speed) but still needs 10.5 to make the grade comfortably without too much slowing. I used an inline volt and ammeter to take those readings between the transformer and track. The significance of that is I don't believe that full voltage is getting to the track up the grade. But that will be the subject of my next post. At 12 volts to full power it runs fast...too fast for my comfort. But at 12 volts it climbs the grade like it isn't even there. For comparison it used to take.at least 12 - 13 volts at 3.25 to 3.75 amps to pull the train up the hill with considerable slowing.

As for heat, it still gets warm to hot after 30 minutes of running. But not hot enough to burn like it used to. I believe that a great deal of the heat is from the brushes arcing, which they always do, no matter how clean and tight. When your layout is ten inches from the ceiling you see a lot more of what is going on inside.

Was it worth it? Absolutely. When I rebush the 470 it will get rewound fields also. It didn't magically turn into a gear reduction flywheel drive but is a great running vintage AF Alco.

Regards,
Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 69393 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: 45 Car Freight Train Video Posted
Hi All,

I put together a 45 car freight train and posted a video to YouTube. You can view the video here:

http://youtu.be/k5vIsdTxReE

I can add another 5 cars or so before the engine will be pushing the caboose - look out!!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69394 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/17/2012
Subject: Re: Diesel field rewinding -follow up
Tim,

Thanks for keeping us posted on the rewinding. I enjoy running my 370's and it's nice to read about others getting a second life with their original motors.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69395 From: Robert Graves Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: video of San Diego S-Gaugers Operations Scenario
An increasingly popular side of model railroading is the execution of an operating scenario that realistically simulates operations in a real-world freight yard. It's a very different experience than running trains through beautiful mountains and valleys! 

The San Diego S-Gaugers built into their modular layout a rail yard that enables modelers to execute this kind of scenario.

Part 1 of this two-part video describes the scenario - the job to be done - and finishes the first half of the job. 


www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqKe-q-Ump8&list=UUw_2wK8Q3aostzbOYL2MzNQ&index=2&feature=plcp

This second part summarizes what was accomplished in the first half and finishes the job:


www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhXUaEaahP4&list=UUw_2wK8Q3aostzbOYL2MzNQ&index=1&feature=plcp

Enjoy!

Bob Graves

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69396 From: piccu56 Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: Re: Fred Jester Inventory--MARK Your Calendars
That is going to be a LOT of stuff!! I had not been through those boxes in years since the last time I was in Fred's train storage room. Good luck to the family, I hope everything finds a good home.

D

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
> Fred Jester's ( TCA 76-9237 ) Inventory is being offered for sale, CASH &
> CARRY on Thursday Oct 18th & Friday, Oct 19th. during the Eastern Division
> TCA Meet in York, PA.
>
> This is NOT affiliated to or restricted to that meet, ANYONE can buy.
>
>
> This will NOT be a "Parts Sale". PARTS INVENTORY disposition is already
> determined.
>
> Fred had a huge inventory of different gauges of Track, Trains, Race
> Sets, Accessories, etc. Items will be displayed & priced on tables in the
> RELIANCE FIRE HALL, 1341 West Market St, York during the Eastern Division TCA
> Meet.
>
> This is NOT affiliated or restricted to that meet, ANYONE can buy.
>
> ALL SALES ARE FINAL----CASH ONLY.
>
> Barry King _kingkodak@..._ (mailto:kingkodak@...) is
> contact.
>
> IF you are not a TCA member, THIS would be the perfect time to join and
> experience BOTH functions. Visit Traincollectors.org for info on joining
> TCA. The process has been streamlined considerably.
>
> Jim Lyle
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69397 From: Brady Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: PRR Heritage Unit (NS)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69398 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: AF switch 2 train control alternative
Hello all,

A few years back, when building my layout, I wired it for good old-fashioned block control. The layout is a simple two loops without a crossover, and each loop having a passing siding. At the last minute I changed my mind and ganged all the blocks, except for the passing siding. Instead of blocks I used AF switches set to 2 train operation to control power to the passing sidings (and the main along the passing siding)

The beauty of this setup is that it is impossible to run a train into a switch set against the train. That is doubly important given the height of the layout.

I have suspected for some time that the contacts inside the switches are dirty/worn/burned as trains slow down in the switch controlled 'blocks'. I proved this last night running a jumper wire to bypass the switches and noting no more slow-down. So what can be done aside from rebuilding the innards of the switches?

The block wiring is there to allow controlling the siding power from the control panel. But this would allow one to run a train into a switch set against the train. The best solution I can come up with is to set up relays, controlled by the switch power to control track power in the sidings. Certainly someone has tried this. Could you let me know how it worked out? Other ideas?

Best Regards,
Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 69399 From: Donald Keil Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
On our club layout I have the same feeling that Tim has. The contact in side of the switches are dirty,worn or burn so I am very interest in this subject. Is there a way to repair the turnouts?
Don Keil
Grand Rapids , MI.


________________________________
From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 12:42 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF switch 2 train control alternative


 
Hello all,

A few years back, when building my layout, I wired it for good old-fashioned block control. The layout is a simple two loops without a crossover, and each loop having a passing siding. At the last minute I changed my mind and ganged all the blocks, except for the passing siding. Instead of blocks I used AF switches set to 2 train operation to control power to the passing sidings (and the main along the passing siding)

The beauty of this setup is that it is impossible to run a train into a switch set against the train. That is doubly important given the height of the layout.

I have suspected for some time that the contacts inside the switches are dirty/worn/burned as trains slow down in the switch controlled 'blocks'. I proved this last night running a jumper wire to bypass the switches and noting no more slow-down. So what can be done aside from rebuilding the innards of the switches?

The block wiring is there to allow controlling the siding power from the control panel. But this would allow one to run a train into a switch set against the train. The best solution I can come up with is to set up relays, controlled by the switch power to control track power in the sidings. Certainly someone has tried this. Could you let me know how it worked out? Other ideas?

Best Regards,
Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69400 From: rick gough Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: Re: Newbie needs a lot of help
Hi Sue,

How did your Hudson train set turn out?

Rick
 
rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing


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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 5:54 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Newbie needs a lot of help

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Hello everyone,
I am hoping to get information to help me find a train set for my hubby just like the one he had as a boy. From the pictures I have shown him I think his set looked like the 4611. He thinks it had smoke and a whistle in the engine. It would have been purchased probably between 1946 and 1951. Any idea where to find this and how much I should expect to pay for a nice looking set?

Also, he said his dad had very detailed buildings that came in kits that he assembled every Christmas. Does anyone have thoughts on what these kits might be and where to locate them? I know absolutely nothing about American fliers; the little info I have given here I learned in the last 2 days on the Internet. Thanks in advance, Sue




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69401 From: Tim Benner Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: Re: Diesel field rewinding -follow up
Hi Don,

I rewound both fields on a 360 Santa Fe Alco. I think the GP-7 has the same power truck but only one, so half the result?

I bought the wire from allelectronics.com. Knowing in advance that it would take several tries I got the half pound spool (629 feet) for about $12. It may sound wasteful but after each unsuccessful try I threw the wire away. After it is kinked from the first few winds around the square core it isn't worth trying to re-use it. Radio Shack also has the wire but in a three pack with other gauges so there is just enough 26 to do the job if you get it perfect the first time... which is more than optimistic.

As Mr. Barker says in his book, it requires a lot of patience and practice but it can be done. My 360 set was off the rails for a couple of weeks. Sore fingertips also result.

I was not able to get a decent wind sitting at the bench and winding around the core. My final method was to tie one wire end to the handle of the refrigerator in the garage and measure off 35 feet of wire from there. Then after threading the other end through the core insulator, pull the wire as taut as possible without opening the refrigerator door. Rotating the core to wind the wire, I walked it back to the fridge very slowly while winding and keeping the wire evenly taut the whole way. Unconventional, but it worked. Necessity is indeed the mother of invention. Others may have better methods, I'm sure.

I'm with you on the armature rewinding. I used to rewind them on my slot cars in the 60s but that was long ago. But if we had to I bet we could do it!

If you try it, good luck! I wish you well.

Regards,
Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:21 PM, Donald Abram <donabrams@...> wrote:

> Tim,
>
> Could you clarify for me please?
> You say that you rewound both fields on a 370 and then pulled an A and B unit + some 960 series passenger cars.
> So did you mean a single motored 370 Geep with a rewound field and armature?
> Or are you talking about a 360 on which you rewound both fields?
> I really appreciate you sharing what you've done and sharing the results --the smaller gauge wire is a significant improvement!
> Forgive me if you already mentioned it, but where did you source the wire?
> I am now willing to rewind a field, but don't think I would attempt something as small as a diesel armature.
> Thanks again for sharing,
>
> Don Abrams
>
>
>
> Sent from Don's iPad ! ! !
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69402 From: gsc3 Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: Something different for Freelance coal hoppers
I am working with Jim King to make some Heap Shields for my American Models and SHS hoppers. These will work on American Flyer hoppers as well. Jim is offering to do in S scale the heap shield he already makes in HO scale.
These are the welded on or bolted on metal pieces on the end of coal hoppers to increase the load size. For those not freelancing, these heap shields were used on 2 bay and 3 bay hoppers of the L&N, Clinchfield and Tennessee Central. 188 were used on Southern hoppers acquired from the TC merger.
If you want a simple project and model the above roads or freelance and can use a glue on detail please e-mail me the e-mail address below by Monday. You can go to www.smokymountainmodelworks. com and click on HO detail parts and see the heap shields. Price is $16.50 for enough to do 5 cars and $30.00 for doing 10 cars plus shipping.

Thanks,
George Courtney
gsc3@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 69403 From: Donald Abram Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: Re: Diesel field rewinding -follow up
Tim,

Could you clarify for me please?
You say that you rewound both fields on a 370 and then pulled an A and B unit + some 960 series passenger cars.
So did you mean a single motored 370 Geep with a rewound field and armature?
Or are you talking about a 360 on which you rewound both fields?
I really appreciate you sharing what you've done and sharing the results --the smaller gauge wire is a significant improvement!
Forgive me if you already mentioned it, but where did you source the wire?
I am now willing to rewind a field, but don't think I would attempt something as small as a diesel armature.
Thanks again for sharing,

Don Abrams



Sent from Don's iPad ! ! !
Group: S-Trains Message: 69404 From: Jerry Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
Gents,

There may be a way to use relays, but on my Flyer layout, I don't use
them (I am a firm believer in the KISS principle). The cast frog is
notorious for poor conductivity, and the only way I found that helped
was to disassemble the switch, and clean the contacts and frog. It's
not all that hard. Be careful driving out the rivet that holds the frog
in place. I used a very narrow drift in my drill press and a socket
around the head to avoid stress on the housing. Once that is done, the
rest is easy.

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Donald Keil <dlkeil@...> wrote:
>
> On our club layout I have the same feeling that Tim has. The contact
in side of the switches are dirty,worn or burn so I am very interest in
this subject. Is there a way to repair the turnouts?
> Don Keil
> Grand Rapids , MI.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: tbennerohio tim.benner@...
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 12:42 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] AF switch 2 train control alternative
>
>
> Â
> Hello all,
>
> A few years back, when building my layout, I wired it for good
old-fashioned block control. The layout is a simple two loops without a
crossover, and each loop having a passing siding. At the last minute I
changed my mind and ganged all the blocks, except for the passing
siding. Instead of blocks I used AF switches set to 2 train operation
to control power to the passing sidings (and the main along the passing
siding)
>
> The beauty of this setup is that it is impossible to run a train into
a switch set against the train. That is doubly important given the
height of the layout.
>
> I have suspected for some time that the contacts inside the switches
are dirty/worn/burned as trains slow down in the switch controlled
'blocks'. I proved this last night running a jumper wire to bypass the
switches and noting no more slow-down. So what can be done aside from
rebuilding the innards of the switches?
>
> The block wiring is there to allow controlling the siding power from
the control panel. But this would allow one to run a train into a
switch set against the train. The best solution I can come up with is
to set up relays, controlled by the switch power to control track power
in the sidings. Certainly someone has tried this. Could you let me
know how it worked out? Other ideas?
>
> Best Regards,
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69405 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/18/2012
Subject: Re: video of San Diego S-Gaugers Operations Scenario
It's nice to see prototypical operations with Flyer. Thanks for making the videos available

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69406 From: Robert Graves Date: 4/19/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
I may have to reread Tim's message a few more times before I understand exactly what he has there, but the relay-controlled, block-structured wiring of my layout may hold the answer he needs:

            http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/operations.html

My layout is more complex that Tim's: a classical loop within a loop and three tracks joining them, but the inner loop is raised up and over the lower one so the joining tracks come off the outer side of both loops rather than off the outside of the inner loop and inside of the outer.  Four transformers control different areas so I can make up a freight train in the yard, and a passenger train in the station, while a third train is going around the mountain on the upper level, and a fourth train is moving between loops.  I put in lockout eliminators to prevent any train from running into a switch set against it, and semaphore block control so I can run up to three trains around the large loop that encompasses the two main loops.  You've got to see the track plan to understand it:


            http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/grand_tour.html

The Operations page cited first breaks the track plan in two pieces that make it a bit clearer: the first plan shows the upper loop and the three joining tracks; the second one shows the lower loop (with its sidings, passing tracks, station, and rail yard) and the start of the three joining tracks.

It's all much too complicated!  I wanted something visually and operationally interesting, and I certainly got it, but figuring out how to wire it turned out to be an intellectual challenge (to put it mildly).  It is the fact that the joining tracks come off the outside of both loops that makes it so challenging.  Read the explanation on those web pages and you'll understand the problems and their solution.





________________________________
From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:42 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF switch 2 train control alternative


 
Hello all,

A few years back, when building my layout, I wired it for good old-fashioned block control. The layout is a simple two loops without a crossover, and each loop having a passing siding. At the last minute I changed my mind and ganged all the blocks, except for the passing siding. Instead of blocks I used AF switches set to 2 train operation to control power to the passing sidings (and the main along the passing siding)

The beauty of this setup is that it is impossible to run a train into a switch set against the train. That is doubly important given the height of the layout.

I have suspected for some time that the contacts inside the switches are dirty/worn/burned as trains slow down in the switch controlled 'blocks'. I proved this last night running a jumper wire to bypass the switches and noting no more slow-down. So what can be done aside from rebuilding the innards of the switches?

The block wiring is there to allow controlling the siding power from the control panel. But this would allow one to run a train into a switch set against the train. The best solution I can come up with is to set up relays, controlled by the switch power to control track power in the sidings. Certainly someone has tried this. Could you let me know how it worked out? Other ideas?

Best Regards,
Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69407 From: SMMW Date: 4/19/2012
Subject: New S scale details announced .. paid orders now accepted
Below is the updated link showing 4 new items (in addition to the 2 stirrup
steps). I just ordered the patterns for the Superior/Creco door, roofwalk +
corner platforms, PS brake platform and heap shield. If you've already paid
for steps but wish to include more items to save on shipping, let me know
ASAP. I have several stirrup step orders boxed and ready to drop in the
mail tomorrow but I'll hold all until next week just to be sure.



For those reading this on a Yahoo list, please contact me off-list to ask
questions, order, etc.



http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/S_detail_parts.html



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69408 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/20/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
Thanks for all of the responses. It looks like pulling those AF switches out and reconditioning will be the best solution. The one from the spares box that I took apart had black crud on the contacts just as described. Getting the switches down will be the biggest challenge. Working on them is pretty easy. In fact, there was an article or 'how-to' column in CTT within the past couple of years on doing that. I just wish I had the foresight to recondition the switches *before* using them and mounting the modules up there.

It is supposed to rain tonight and tomorrow so it's time to bite the bullet and pull the switches off the layout. Maybe by Sunday I'll be watching trains NOT slow down in the switch controlled blocks.

Regards,
Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 69409 From: Jerry Date: 4/20/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
Good luck, Tim. Let us know how it turns out.

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all of the responses. It looks like pulling those AF switches out and reconditioning will be the best solution. The one from the spares box that I took apart had black crud on the contacts just as described. Getting the switches down will be the biggest challenge. Working on them is pretty easy. In fact, there was an article or 'how-to' column in CTT within the past couple of years on doing that. I just wish I had the foresight to recondition the switches *before* using them and mounting the modules up there.
>
> It is supposed to rain tonight and tomorrow so it's time to bite the bullet and pull the switches off the layout. Maybe by Sunday I'll be watching trains NOT slow down in the switch controlled blocks.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69410 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/20/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
Tim

I cleaned/tuned up my manual swithes and have been very happy with the results. The points on several didn't latch when thrown so I replaced the old springs with springs from ball point pens.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69411 From: Timboy Date: 4/21/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
Tim,

I even go so far as to clean and solder all the places on the switch rails where the tabs from underneath crimp onto the rails. I have noticed that after 60+ years, there is oftentimes corrosion that develops there to reduce or even negate electrical conductivity. That can also be a source of the rails going dead.

Regards,
Timboy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all of the responses. It looks like pulling those AF switches out and reconditioning will be the best solution. The one from the spares box that I took apart had black crud on the contacts just as described. Getting the switches down will be the biggest challenge. Working on them is pretty easy. In fact, there was an article or 'how-to' column in CTT within the past couple of years on doing that. I just wish I had the foresight to recondition the switches *before* using them and mounting the modules up there.
>
> It is supposed to rain tonight and tomorrow so it's time to bite the bullet and pull the switches off the layout. Maybe by Sunday I'll be watching trains NOT slow down in the switch controlled blocks.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69412 From: herb.cotter Date: 4/21/2012
Subject: Invitation - Connecticut S-Gaugers meeting - April 28th
The Connecticut S-Gaugers are a mix of 50+ AF Collectors, Operators, Scale and HiRail enthusiasts and some that just like trains. Some with layouts - others just with 'plans'. We have recently elected new leadership and are in the process of refurbishing our modules which are used at train shows.

The group meets monthly at member's homes and we are encouraging others interested in S-Gauge to be our guest at one of our meetings.

The next meeting is this coming Saturday April 28th - 1:00 at my home in Weston CT.

If you are interested in attending - please let me know off list by Thursday so that we have sufficient food/snacks available. In return I will send you directions.

Hope you can join us.


Herb Cotter
herb.cotter@...
203-227-7106
Ct. S-Gaugers
NASG
TCA 71-4095
Group: S-Trains Message: 69413 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/21/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/22/2012, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69414 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 4/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
I've been thinking about this problem, because the 720A switches have a
pretty robust contactor under the base that is fairly self-cleaning by the
wiping action. Then it occurred to me that, although the wires are soldered
to the track hold down clips, the clips themselves are only crimped around
the rail base. There could be corrosion there! You might try soldering the
clip to the rail and see if that doesn't solve the problem. Then let the
rest of us know if it does!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69415 From: Adrian Phillips Date: 4/22/2012
Subject: acquisition
Phillips Models has recently acquired Rail master, Classic Line Models.
This now makes available an extensive range of figurines, trackside
accessories, scenic items in S Scale. This is a large range and also
includes architectural items doors windows etc. to complement downloadable
cardboard architecture from there site http://www.phillipsmodels.co.nz

Rail master further enhances Phillips Models range of S Scale rolling stock
for NZR modellers



Description: !cid_vendor_image

Adrian Phillips

P.O. Box 91 Ashhurst

Palmerston North

New Zealand 4810

http://www.phillipsmodels.co.nz <http://www.phillipsmodels.co.nz/>

adrian@...

Phone and Fax 0064 6 3269934





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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/22/2012, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69417 From: Timboy Date: 4/22/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
David,

That sounds familiar! Lol Great minds.:)

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <djdewey@...> wrote:
>
> I've been thinking about this problem, because the 720A switches have a
> pretty robust contactor under the base that is fairly self-cleaning by the
> wiping action. Then it occurred to me that, although the wires are soldered
> to the track hold down clips, the clips themselves are only crimped around
> the rail base. There could be corrosion there! You might try soldering the
> clip to the rail and see if that doesn't solve the problem. Then let the
> rest of us know if it does!
> S'
> David D.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69418 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 4/22/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
hi:
what's the advantage of using am's budd interior's versus pcc's?
thanks
mel perry


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote:
>
> S Folks,
>
> A one page article I wrote for the S Gaugian appeared in the latest
> issue concerning the installation of American Models' Budd interiors in
> their heavyweight cars. If anybody has any questions concerning the
> process, or would like to get some more photos, contact me off list.
> I'd be glad to help. The Budd interiors are available separately from
> American Models. Ron Bashista, the owner of the company, has just about
> any part for his products if you call them directly. But it's been so
> long since I did the project, I forgot exactly how much the interiors
> cost. Not all that much considering how easy the basic project is.
> Making the car light up adds to the complexity.
>
> Jerry
> Cutting and Fitting in Wayne, MI
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69419 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
Mel, what is pcc and how does it compare in price and availability?

- Earl Henry


In a message dated 4/22/2012 9:25:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
clipper841@... writes:




hi:
what's the advantage of using am's budd interior's versus pcc's?
thanks
mel perry

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
"Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote:
>
> S Folks,
>
> A one page article I wrote for the S Gaugian appeared in the latest
> issue concerning the installation of American Models' Budd interiors in
> their heavyweight cars. If anybody has any questions concerning the
> process, or would like to get some more photos, contact me off list.
> I'd be glad to help. The Budd interiors are available separately from
> American Models. Ron Bashista, the owner of the company, has just about
> any part for his products if you call them directly. But it's been so
> long since I did the project, I forgot exactly how much the interiors
> cost. Not all that much considering how easy the basic project is.
> Making the car light up adds to the complexity.
>
> Jerry
> Cutting and Fitting in Wayne, MI
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69420 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
PCC is Palace Car Company. They make injected plastic car seats, in
several formats.

These are individual, or double, seats that can be used to create any
sort of seating interior.



This contrasts with the AM Budd interiors which are a single car insert
with all seats and tables formed and fixed in position.



We normally stock both.





<<what's the advantage of using am's budd interior's versus pcc's?>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 69421 From: David Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: AF PACIFIC Draw Bar Strap/Cab Extender (Advertisement)
Yep, you guessed it, another new product on its way. This time we are
going to offer the kit bashers another product to help in their
destructiful (most beautiful) ways.

We will be offering a combination draw bar & cab extender fitting. This
new fitting will enable the user to finally extend their PACIFIC (AF
#290 & #282 style engines) to accept a four wheel truck without looking
out of place. A great item for the kit basher to put in their arsenal of
spare fittings and parts.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave,

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872
Group: S-Trains Message: 69422 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: AF switch 2 train control alternative
All,

Thanks again. I did not pull the switches off the layout over the weekend but still intend to at some point in the near future. Still, at least 95% of the voltage drop has been eliminated.

The fix in this case was all done with a soldering iron per Timboy, Bob G and David D. After wire brushing with the Dremel and soldering the tabs to the rail performance was much better. Since I had the tools up there anyway I went ahead and polished the rails at the switch ends and soldered jumper wires from the track supplying the switch to the switch rails and the problem was gone. It seems no matter how tight track pins are, they still manage to get loose and dirty even if the track and switches are tightly mounted. Perhaps that is from the pounding of heavy trains.

So now I am able to start a couple of trains and get on the elliptical to work this knee they repaired and just watch trains run instead of fiddling with the contoller to get the voltage right to scale the grade.
Life is good on the railroad again!

Regards,
Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 69423 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
Thanks for clarifying. I should have figured this out.

I have some Palace Car Company seats for coaches and the interiors for the
AM pullmans.

It is a slow process painting and adding figures to the coach seats, plus
trying to get the seats spaced properly. Doing a whole train is quite a
project and I have a train with at least 8 coaches. I do not want to do just
one or two. I think the whole train should either have no interiors or
every car should have an interior.

I think it is probably a lot quicker to cut the AM Budd car interiors to
fit the heavyweights. But the coach seats do not look right. Yet I wonder
why I should be so concerned about interiors that will only partially be
viewed by people who will not be that critical.

- Earl Henry, Nashville




In a message dated 4/23/2012 10:25:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
doug@... writes:




PCC is Palace Car Company. They make injected plastic car seats, in
several formats.

These are individual, or double, seats that can be used to create any
sort of seating interior.

This contrasts with the AM Budd interiors which are a single car insert
with all seats and tables formed and fixed in position.

We normally stock both.

<<what's the advantage of using am's budd interior's versus pcc's?>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
_doug@..._ (mailto:doug@...)
www.portlines.com <_http://www.portlines.com%20doug@..._
(http://www.portlines.com%20doug@.../) >
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69424 From: Jack Nowosielski Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: radius
Anybody know an easy way to measure track radius.

Thanks,
jack


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69425 From: Don Thompson Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: radius
Dear Jack,
This is math problem, and I am not that great at math (so I am sure one of the engineers will chime in here, But, I think you can use the radius of an arc formula. We use a 10" chord and measure the distance at the 5" (halfway) point on the cord to the inside rail. You can just add 0.435" to approximate the radius at the centers of the rail.
I found this description and calculator at:

http://www.mathopenref.com/arcradius.html

To calculate the radius
Given an arc or segment with known width and height:

The formula for the radius is:
where:
W is the length of the chord defining the base of the arc
H is the height measured at the midpoint of the arc's base.

Height (H):
Width (W):
Calculate
Radius:
Enter the width and height, then press "calculate" to get the radius. It works for arcs that are up to a semicircle, so the height you enter must be less than half the width.

Derivation
See How the arc radius formula is derived.




Don T.

On Apr 23, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Jack Nowosielski wrote:

> Anybody know an easy way to measure track radius.
>
> Thanks,
> jack
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69426 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: radius
Sure, but, I would need to know more. Do have a circle of track? Measure
the diameter and divide by 2. Measure twice at right angles and average
them.

Do you have 3 pieces of Flyer track - enough to turn 90 degrees? Hook
them up and put them in a corner. Measure how far out from the corner
the ends touch. The radius ought to be about 19 or 20 inches depending n
the history of those pieces and how abused they are.

Are you measuring unknown track? The same steps ought to work.

If you have only one piece, you need to measure its length. Measure the
angle it makes. Now, add up enough of those lengths to make a circle and
divide by 6.28.

If that doesn't cover your situation, send us more data. I love math.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 4/23/2012 1:51 PM, Jack Nowosielski wrote:
> Anybody know an easy way to measure track radius.
>
> Thanks,
> jack
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69427 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: radius
Hi Jack:
Do you want to measure an existing radius, or do you want to put down a
radius on some plywood to attach track to?

For the latter, I use a yard stick with holes drilled at each 1/2 inch
and a nail at 0. The size of the holes at each 1/2 inch should be
chosen such that a pencil can be inserted tightly. The radius could
then be drawn easily on the plywood and split cork (or other) roadbed
could be placed on either side of the drawn pencil radius to provide
your measured radius. See also many discussions here about easements
into the radius. One could also use a string in the same manner, with
one end around a nail, and the other around a pencil with the string at
the radius length that you desire.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 4/23/2012 19:51, Jack Nowosielski wrote:
>
> Anybody know an easy way to measure track radius.
>
> Thanks,
> jack
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69428 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: radius
Hi Jack,

Depending on which measurements you know, this site may be helpful:

http://www.ajdesigner.com/phpcircle/circle_normal_diameter_d.php

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote:
>
> Anybody know an easy way to measure track radius.
>
> Thanks,
> jack
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69429 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: S Chat / Kindle Fire
Last night I used my Kindle Fire to access the S Trains chat, it worked very well. The gizmo also works well with my favorite train web sites. I think my PC is going to get very lonely...

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69430 From: Robert Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Track Planning
Does anyone know of a good free track planning program preferably one that does not use sectional track and can draw most any radius curve?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69431 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Lehigh Valley Heritage Loco (NS)
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=395891&nseq=0

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69432 From: Jerry Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
Hi Earl,

My thinking exactly! Viewing the interiors through the windows, you can't notice the seats once "people" )MTH figures) are seated.

BTW, I plan on bringing these cars to the Spree for display at the modeling area.

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote:
>
> Thanks for clarifying. I should have figured this out.
>
> I have some Palace Car Company seats for coaches and the interiors for the
> AM pullmans.
>
> It is a slow process painting and adding figures to the coach seats, plus
> trying to get the seats spaced properly. Doing a whole train is quite a
> project and I have a train with at least 8 coaches. I do not want to do just
> one or two. I think the whole train should either have no interiors or
> every car should have an interior.
>
> I think it is probably a lot quicker to cut the AM Budd car interiors to
> fit the heavyweights. But the coach seats do not look right. Yet I wonder
> why I should be so concerned about interiors that will only partially be
> viewed by people who will not be that critical.
>
> - Earl Henry, Nashville
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 4/23/2012 10:25:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> doug@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> PCC is Palace Car Company. They make injected plastic car seats, in
> several formats.
>
> These are individual, or double, seats that can be used to create any
> sort of seating interior.
>
> This contrasts with the AM Budd interiors which are a single car insert
> with all seats and tables formed and fixed in position.
>
> We normally stock both.
>
> <<what's the advantage of using am's budd interior's versus pcc's?>>
>
> Doug Peck
> Port Lines Hobby Supply
> 6 Storeybrooke Drive
> Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
> _doug@..._ (mailto:doug@...)
> www.portlines.com <_http://www.portlines.com%20doug@..._
> (http://www.portlines.com%20doug@.../) >
> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
> 978-465-8798
> 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69433 From: Jerry Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
Hi Mel,

First of all price (somewhere around $8-$9, can't remember exactly). Second, the already have all seats and bulkheads in place, and you don't have to cement individual ones in place. Third, only three cuts need be made after narrowing the insert. Fourth, it's more robust being made of styrene, not cardboard.

Admittedly, the PCC ones are nice, but they're made for the long cars, not the short ones. I have them in the 80 footers re-released through NASG. I have all of them in a nice consist pulled by an AM GG1.

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clipper841@... wrote:
>
> hi:
> what's the advantage of using am's budd interior's versus pcc's?
> thanks
> mel perry
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@> wrote:
> >
> > S Folks,
> >
> > A one page article I wrote for the S Gaugian appeared in the latest
> > issue concerning the installation of American Models' Budd interiors in
> > their heavyweight cars. If anybody has any questions concerning the
> > process, or would like to get some more photos, contact me off list.
> > I'd be glad to help. The Budd interiors are available separately from
> > American Models. Ron Bashista, the owner of the company, has just about
> > any part for his products if you call them directly. But it's been so
> > long since I did the project, I forgot exactly how much the interiors
> > cost. Not all that much considering how easy the basic project is.
> > Making the car light up adds to the complexity.
> >
> > Jerry
> > Cutting and Fitting in Wayne, MI
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69434 From: johntech Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: S Chat / Kindle Fire
Brady
I was reading on line the other day that by 2020 computers as we know them will be a thing of the past.
My wife has the Nook Color and it does almost everything her computer does.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: Brady Burdge
To: S-Trains
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] S Chat / Kindle Fire



Last night I used my Kindle Fire to access the S Trains chat, it worked very well. The gizmo also works well with my favorite train web sites. I think my PC is going to get very lonely...

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69435 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweight interiors
In a message dated 4/23/2012 6:23:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
poniaj@... writes:




Hi Mel,

First of all price (somewhere around $8-$9, can't remember exactly).
Second, the already have all seats and bulkheads in place, and you don't have to
cement individual ones in place. Third, only three cuts need be made after
narrowing the insert. Fourth, it's more robust being made of styrene, not
cardboard.

Admittedly, the PCC ones are nice, but they're made for the long cars, not
the short ones. I have them in the 80 footers re-released through NASG. I
have all of them in a nice consist pulled by an AM GG1.

Jerry

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
clipper841@... wrote:
>
> hi:
> what's the advantage of using am's budd interior's versus pcc's?
> thanks
> mel perry
>
>
> --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
"Jerry" <poniaj@> wrote:
> >
> > S Folks,
> >
> > A one page article I wrote for the S Gaugian appeared in the latest
> > issue concerning the installation of American Models' Budd interiors in
> > their heavyweight cars. If anybody has any questions concerning the
> > process, or would like to get some more photos, contact me off list.
> > I'd be glad to help. The Budd interiors are available separately from
> > American Models. Ron Bashista, the owner of the company, has just about
> > any part for his products if you call them directly. But it's been so
> > long since I did the project, I forgot exactly how much the interiors
> > cost. Not all that much considering how easy the basic project is.
> > Making the car light up adds to the complexity.
> >
> > Jerry
> > Cutting and Fitting in Wayne, MI
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69436 From: sgaugian Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: Lehigh Valley Heritage Loco (NS)
Thanks for the pic, but I wish they had done it in the snowbird color scheme!
Group: S-Trains Message: 69437 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/23/2012
Subject: Re: S Chat / Kindle Fire
John,

PC's are needy, the Kindle just lets me do stuff. If that's the future then sign me up :-)

The Amazon Kindle store sells a digital subscription to Model Railroader that is sent to the device each month. That may not suit everyone today, but it makes sense in some situations and it's probably the future.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: johntech <beebear@...>
Sent: Mon Apr 23 17:35:26 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Chat / Kindle Fire




Brady
I was reading on line the other day that by 2020 computers as we know them will be a thing of the past.
My wife has the Nook Color and it does almost everything her computer does.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: Brady Burdge
To: S-Trains
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] S Chat / Kindle Fire

Last night I used my Kindle Fire to access the S Trains chat, it worked very well. The gizmo also works well with my favorite train web sites. I think my PC is going to get very lonely...

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69438 From: rapidrail1 Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Re: Lehigh Valley Heritage Loco (NS)
The photographer must be very proud. What a great shot!

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=395891&nseq=0
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69439 From: Ben Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Heavyweight doors
I purchased some prewar 3/16" diecast tuscan heavyweights at the York show for a very favorable price. Missing were two sets of "end" platform doors and the baggage compartment doors on the baggage car.

What to do? I priced these reproduced parts out at the vendors who were not unreasonable at all (and very well made for restorations), but buying them would have almost doubled my price on the set of cars. I thought about making them from thin sheet metal as I had done on my Polar Express creations, or brass, but finally my mind settled on styrene. Cheap, easy to work with, and readily available.

I already have a stash of styrene in the cabinet, so I chose some the correct thickness to slide into the channels cast in the car body to accept the genuine article. I next traced some doors I already had onto thicker styrene sheet and cut them out with scissors.

Punching the window openings (square) was the hardest part, but I did so with various size hole punches and finished with a small file.

I superglued the doors perpendicular to the backing plates leaving room for the channel and- we have doors.

They do not operate, but how many of you spend time sitting on a Friday evening opening and closing your tiny train car doors?

Now to paint with some rust colored primer to match (kind of) the tuscan color and glue on some plastic sheeting for windows.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69440 From: Lon Walker Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
   Hi,   I have that same problem but in green. I will try to use your method to make what I need. Thanks.  Does anyone know of a readily available spray can green that is exact or close to the prewar green on the 3/16 diecast heaveyweights? How about for the later plastic heavyweights?   Thanks.  Lon Walker



________________________________
From: Ben <lbstiles@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:55 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Heavyweight doors


 
I purchased some prewar 3/16" diecast tuscan heavyweights at the York show for a very favorable price. Missing were two sets of "end" platform doors and the baggage compartment doors on the baggage car.

What to do? I priced these reproduced parts out at the vendors who were not unreasonable at all (and very well made for restorations), but buying them would have almost doubled my price on the set of cars. I thought about making them from thin sheet metal as I had done on my Polar Express creations, or brass, but finally my mind settled on styrene. Cheap, easy to work with, and readily available.

I already have a stash of styrene in the cabinet, so I chose some the correct thickness to slide into the channels cast in the car body to accept the genuine article. I next traced some doors I already had onto thicker styrene sheet and cut them out with scissors.

Punching the window openings (square) was the hardest part, but I did so with various size hole punches and finished with a small file.

I superglued the doors perpendicular to the backing plates leaving room for the channel and- we have doors.

They do not operate, but how many of you spend time sitting on a Friday evening opening and closing your tiny train car doors?

Now to paint with some rust colored primer to match (kind of) the tuscan color and glue on some plastic sheeting for windows.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69441 From: Paul Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Dayton Ohio Spring Spree information
Folks,
We are just 10 days away from Spree Weekend. http://www.trainweb.org/mvsg/
The last update (yesterday) says the Spree cars are almost gone. If you
have not ordered yours yet
and want one, best be getting on the right track.
Vendors, same situation on tables, if you still want one, I don't think
I would wait.
Time is running short, we are looking forward to a successful and fun
weekend. Hope to see you there.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69442 From: Bob C Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Show Your Layout During The PSR 2012 Convention (So. Calif.)
In September the Pacific Southwest Region/NMRA will hold its annual
model railroad convention in Oxnard, CA. Layout tours will take place
on Wednesday, September 5, through Sunday, September 9. Tours will take
place in area from Santa Barbara down through northwest Los Angeles
County.

If you have an operating layout we would like you to consider showing
your railroad during the convention.

You do not have to commit to a specific day(s) at this time. And you do
not need to be an NMRA member to show your layout or participate in the
convention.

Participating in a layout tour is a great way to share your work and
meet your fellow model railroaders. You've probably worked hard on
your layout so you might as well receive recognition from people who
will truly appreciate your efforts.

All you need to do is operate your trains and chat with visitors. We
will do all the necessary planning and publicity.

If you have any questions before committing to the tour, please ask. In
any event, please let me know ( chiefbobbb@...
<mailto:chiefbobbb@...> ) in the next few weeks if you are
interested as I am starting to arrange the tour line-up.

I hope you'll join with other area layout owners and show your
layout to your fellow model railroaders.

Thank you.

Bob Chaparro

Layout Tour Chairman

PSR 2012 Convention













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Group: S-Trains Message: 69443 From: Bob Moyer Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Ben and Everyone,

I too have that dilemma when buying some old flyer stuff that's missing /
needs work. It's great we can get quality replacement parts for flyer but
sometimes the piece we are working on does not warrant the exact
replacement for financial reasons. i.e. I bought some AF semaphores in bad
shape at a show cheap. I cleaned them up but they were missing the arm. The
arms were about $20 apiece. So what I did was use an arm from another
Semaphore I had to make a template and cut the profile out of two hotel
room plastic room key cards. ( I travel for my job every week and have a
ton of them. My wife asks me why I keep them, I tell her I'm making a deck
of cards!) for the red yellow green lenses I use the colored file folder
tabs I drill the holes for the lenses and screw. For the post that goes
into the eye in the actuator rod in the semaphore pole I use a flathead
brad cut to length. Then I assemble like a sandwich. Bottom bread, one of
the cut keycards with the red green and yellow plastic glued over the lens
holes. The flathead brad sticks out the bottom. Top bread, the other cut
keycard. glue it all up nice and straight. Trim or sand the edges, Mount it
to make sure it work. If everything is good, unmount and paint. Voila! a
working Semaphore. Stumpy would be proud!

I do have a different problem that I need advice on. I went to a local
auction (Doylestown PA) and bought a pair of dirty but complete 4 piece
diecast Atlantics cheap. A 302 and a 302AC. This type to me are the best
little Atlantics Flyer ever made. One of the cast cowcatchers is slightly
bent. The edge is no more than 1/8 inch off of straight.
Should I try to straighten it? I was thinking of a small clamp with a
couple of wood cauls. Tighten a little bit over a few days until its
straight. Should I use a bit of heat before clamping, or should I not take
the chance of breaking the casting and leave it alone. Lemme know what you
think.

Regards

Bob Moyer
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I purchased some prewar 3/16" diecast tuscan heavyweights at the York show
> for a very favorable price. Missing were two sets of "end" platform doors
> and the baggage compartment doors on the baggage car.
>
> What to do? I priced these reproduced parts out at the vendors who were
> not unreasonable at all (and very well made for restorations), but buying
> them would have almost doubled my price on the set of cars. I thought about
> making them from thin sheet metal as I had done on my Polar Express
> creations, or brass, but finally my mind settled on styrene. Cheap, easy to
> work with, and readily available.
>
> I already have a stash of styrene in the cabinet, so I chose some the
> correct thickness to slide into the channels cast in the car body to accept
> the genuine article. I next traced some doors I already had onto thicker
> styrene sheet and cut them out with scissors.
>
> Punching the window openings (square) was the hardest part, but I did so
> with various size hole punches and finished with a small file.
>
> I superglued the doors perpendicular to the backing plates leaving room
> for the channel and- we have doors.
>
> They do not operate, but how many of you spend time sitting on a Friday
> evening opening and closing your tiny train car doors?
>
> Now to paint with some rust colored primer to match (kind of) the tuscan
> color and glue on some plastic sheeting for windows.
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69444 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Being a junk box rebuilder/kit basher, I often have to make or buy parts, depending upon the project. Sometimes the hours required to make something make the cost of a reproduction a better plan, other times the parts are fairly easy to make, so I go that route. Every new project has it's own challenges and decisions to be made.

As to the early S Atlantics, those are my favorites too. The four piece casting types have more complete valve gear and the "extended" smokebox. This extended smokebox design was more common on older locomotives built in the turn of the century era. They can be further back-dated by using a Franklin tender. You can check out a photo of such a project in the "Basher Stumpy" album in the PHOTOS section.

Bending pilots and cab roofs on cast metal loco shells is a tough deal. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Slow, careful bending to stress the metal as little as possible is the key. Grabbing the bent area with a pair of channel locks and pulling quickly often breaks the casting.

However, sometimes the broken off piece can actually be repaired easier than a bent area. You can file the mating surfaces to fit at the correct angle and then later dress out the surfaces with putty.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69445 From: Gale Hall Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Bob,

On the Atlantic pilot, look for another one and replace that one. Heat is not going to help on the diecast....you might try to tweek it a little but I still hold to the new straighter pilot..

gale hall
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Moyer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Heavyweight doors



Ben and Everyone,

I too have that dilemma when buying some old flyer stuff that's missing /
needs work. It's great we can get quality replacement parts for flyer but
sometimes the piece we are working on does not warrant the exact
replacement for financial reasons. i.e. I bought some AF semaphores in bad
shape at a show cheap. I cleaned them up but they were missing the arm. The
arms were about $20 apiece. So what I did was use an arm from another
Semaphore I had to make a template and cut the profile out of two hotel
room plastic room key cards. ( I travel for my job every week and have a
ton of them. My wife asks me why I keep them, I tell her I'm making a deck
of cards!) for the red yellow green lenses I use the colored file folder
tabs I drill the holes for the lenses and screw. For the post that goes
into the eye in the actuator rod in the semaphore pole I use a flathead
brad cut to length. Then I assemble like a sandwich. Bottom bread, one of
the cut keycards with the red green and yellow plastic glued over the lens
holes. The flathead brad sticks out the bottom. Top bread, the other cut
keycard. glue it all up nice and straight. Trim or sand the edges, Mount it
to make sure it work. If everything is good, unmount and paint. Voila! a
working Semaphore. Stumpy would be proud!

I do have a different problem that I need advice on. I went to a local
auction (Doylestown PA) and bought a pair of dirty but complete 4 piece
diecast Atlantics cheap. A 302 and a 302AC. This type to me are the best
little Atlantics Flyer ever made. One of the cast cowcatchers is slightly
bent. The edge is no more than 1/8 inch off of straight.
Should I try to straighten it? I was thinking of a small clamp with a
couple of wood cauls. Tighten a little bit over a few days until its
straight. Should I use a bit of heat before clamping, or should I not take
the chance of breaking the casting and leave it alone. Lemme know what you
think.

Regards

Bob Moyer
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I purchased some prewar 3/16" diecast tuscan heavyweights at the York show
> for a very favorable price. Missing were two sets of "end" platform doors
> and the baggage compartment doors on the baggage car.
>
> What to do? I priced these reproduced parts out at the vendors who were
> not unreasonable at all (and very well made for restorations), but buying
> them would have almost doubled my price on the set of cars. I thought about
> making them from thin sheet metal as I had done on my Polar Express
> creations, or brass, but finally my mind settled on styrene. Cheap, easy to
> work with, and readily available.
>
> I already have a stash of styrene in the cabinet, so I chose some the
> correct thickness to slide into the channels cast in the car body to accept
> the genuine article. I next traced some doors I already had onto thicker
> styrene sheet and cut them out with scissors.
>
> Punching the window openings (square) was the hardest part, but I did so
> with various size hole punches and finished with a small file.
>
> I superglued the doors perpendicular to the backing plates leaving room
> for the channel and- we have doors.
>
> They do not operate, but how many of you spend time sitting on a Friday
> evening opening and closing your tiny train car doors?
>
> Now to paint with some rust colored primer to match (kind of) the tuscan
> color and glue on some plastic sheeting for windows.
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69446 From: MICHAEL Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Re: I Updated Some Pictures in my S Trains Folder
Nice,
What size lumber are you using for your framework ?
Thnakz,
Michale,
Floriduh,
USA

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jacques" <aflyerfan@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> I've added some pictures of the cardstock buildings I've been working on for my layout. Several of them are haunted, so make sure that you have a pure heart when you view them.
>
> Jacques
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69447 From: George Cohn Date: 4/24/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
On 4/24/2012 5:45 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
> Being a junk box rebuilder/kit basher, I often have to make or buy
> parts, depending upon the project. Sometimes the hours required to make
> something make the cost of a reproduction a better plan,

My other hobby is drive-in theater speakers. I'll bet you never made a
silicone mold of a plastic part and made your own plastic parts!

Actually, it's quite easy and you will be surprised how good they turn
out. I often do this with no longer available parts.:-)

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 69448 From: Ben Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Hi Lon-

I will try to post pictures of the finished parts. Don't worry too much about exactly matching the plastic of the car. The doors were always a shade off- either the red or the green.

Ben



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lon Walker <wlon17@...> wrote:
>
>    Hi,   I have that same problem but in green. I will try to use your method to make what I need. Thanks.  Does anyone know of a readily available spray can green that is exact or close to the prewar green on the 3/16 diecast heaveyweights? How about for the later plastic heavyweights?   Thanks.  Lon Walker
Group: S-Trains Message: 69449 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Actually George, I started dabbling with plastic casting about twenty years ago. I didn't duplicate parts, but scratch built my own masters and cast my own versions of 1930s diecast toy vehicles in plastic. Later I cast HO and O scale Skeleton Log Cars and more recently S scale buildings.

You are very correct that it's not as tough as many people think. The hardest part is making master patterns to pour the mold from! If you're duplicating an already existing item, it's much easier. With a little study, mold making and resin casting is a useful addition to any modeler's inventory of skills particularly if you need something that is virtually unavailable.

Anyone who wants to begin this part of the hobby might be well advised to look up the resin casting supplies in a Micro-Mark tool catalog or on their website. They sell a very easy to miox 1 to 1 silicone mold compound and resin casting compound as well as all the stuff you need to get started. They even have a beginner's kit.

Resin casting is not real cheap, but it is real useful, and worth a look. If you decide to go into it as a stand alone hobby, there are less expensive places to get the resin and supplies, but you'll have to buy in larger volumes.

Since these chemicals do have a shelf life, and I don't do that much casting, I've stuck to the Micro-Mark products so as not to waste anything. I am not afliated with them, just a happy customer.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69450 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Oh yes, I have. It is a good way to make those hard to find items for
the '50's era trains. I have had very good luck with the expensive stuff
from Micro-Mark. I also made some silicone molds using chemicals bought
locally. Those molds are bigger and more durable than the hobby ones.
The key for me is that molds are good if I need several copies or if I
can use part of the existing item as the mold master.

I found something interesting about casting epoxy. Even after it has
cured, that stuff tends to respond to gravity and warp in the
unsupported parts. I found that if I drop some steel or brass rod into
the setting plastic, sort of like re-bar, the problem goes away. I just
need to be sure I avoid places where I might need to drill later.

Bill (not in the original cast)

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 4/24/2012 10:34 PM, George Cohn wrote:
> On 4/24/2012 5:45 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
>> Being a junk box rebuilder/kit basher, I often have to make or buy
>> parts, depending upon the project. Sometimes the hours required to make
>> something make the cost of a reproduction a better plan,
> My other hobby is drive-in theater speakers. I'll bet you never made a
> silicone mold of a plastic part and made your own plastic parts!
>
> Actually, it's quite easy and you will be surprised how good they turn
> out. I often do this with no longer available parts.:-)
>
> George Cohn
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69451 From: George Cohn Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
On 4/25/2012 5:02 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:

> Resin casting is not real cheap, but it is real useful, and worth a
> look. If you decide to go into it as a stand alone hobby, there are less
> expensive places to get the resin and supplies, but you'll have to buy
> in larger volumes.

Here's another source: http://www.alumilite.com/
Smooth-On also sells materials: http://www.smooth-on.com/

> Since these chemicals do have a shelf life, and I don't do that much
> casting, I've stuck to the Micro-Mark products so as not to waste
> anything. I am not affiliated with them, just a happy customer.

One thing I have noticed is once you open the container, the resin seems
to thicken in contact with air. Some companies offer an aerosol you
spray in the container to help prevent that.

Also, it's often difficult not to get tiny "champagne" bubbles in the
mixture. The cure for this is a vacuum pump and container to degas the
mixture before pouring. I use my air conditioner service pump and a
home made tank made of large PVC pipe and plexiglass.

Yes, it can get a bit pricey, but when you can make custom or totally
unavailable reproductions of parts, it's a worthwhile project.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 69452 From: Carey Probst Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Any suggestions for those of us who don't happen to have AC service
pumps to pull the vacuum?

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 4/25/2012 11:05 AM, George Cohn wrote:
>
>
> Also, it's often difficult not to get tiny "champagne" bubbles in the
> mixture. The cure for this is a vacuum pump and container to degas the
> mixture before pouring. I use my air conditioner service pump and a
> home made tank made of large PVC pipe and plexiglass.
>
> Yes, it can get a bit pricey, but when you can make custom or totally
> unavailable reproductions of parts, it's a worthwhile project.
>
> George Cohn
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69453 From: George Cohn Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
On 4/25/2012 9:41 AM, Carey Probst wrote:
> Any suggestions for those of us who don't happen to have AC service
> pumps to pull the vacuum?

eBay, Harbor Freight, Craigslist?

An example of a decent one for occasional use:

http://www.harborfreight.com/25-cfm-vacuum-pump-98076.html

They also have version you hook to an air compressor that uses a venturi
action to create a vacuum, about $16.

Also there is the MityVac hand pump, also available from them and many
auto and hardware stores. I'm not sure you could draw down a vacuum
fast enough with it as the resin starts to cure in a few minutes.

I happen to like old cars so I have a pretty good collection of tools
for repair and restoration. Things like big air compressors, glass bead
cabinets, A/C tools, etc.

A man can never have too many tools or hobbies! :-)

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 69454 From: Roy Meissner Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: resin casting
I have been doing a lot of resin casting and can share my experiences. I buy my resin in 1 gallon or 5 gallon pails. I put resin in smaller containers for pouring into molds. I use a product called "Xtend-it". I spray some into the container and then put the lid on. I have kept resin for over 2 years using this product. It helps eliminate moisture. However, it is best if you can use the resin within about 6 months once you open it.

When you mix resin, you will get some bubbles in it. I use a pressure pot to force the air out of my castings. If you use a vacum pump to get air out of resin, when you pour it some air bubbles will form. If you are casting thin pieces, you may still get some air bubbles even with a pressure pot. I have never used a vacum pump to get air out of resin. I do use a vacum pump to get air out of the silicone I use for making molds.

I use two kinds of resin, Smooth-On 327 which has a pot life of 10 minutes and a cure time of 4 to 6 hours. I also use Task 4 which has a pot life of 15 to 20 minutes and cure time of 12 to 16 hours. The task 4 is very strong and can be used on thickness as thin as .030 or less. The 327 should have a thickness of at least .080. the 327 is clear snd would normaly be used with a pigment. The Task 4 is white in color.

Micro Mark products are good. I have used them. I buy my resin from Eager Polymers (Eagerplastics.com) in Chicago. They are cheaper than Micro Mark. You can buy up to a barrel of resin. That would make a lot of doors.

I have made a lot of truck bodies and trailers from resin. I am making the containers for the 2012 Fall S Fest car, 3000 of them. I have done a deck girder bridge. I am working on coal loads for my hopper cars. There was a good article in the April 2012 Model Railroader on these coal loads. I made the shell of resin and then put glue coal on top if it. I hollowed out the pattern enough that the coal load weighs 1 oz. I will have some at the S Spree if you would like to buy some. (Or just look at them)

Resin casting is one more tool we have to use in our hobby. It can be as expensive as you want it to be. If you want good quality, you may have to invest in some tools as vacum pump or pressure pot.

Roy J Meissner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69455 From: Robert Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Detailing parts
Way back when S Scale Locomotive & Supply was still owned by Claude Wade he had literally every part to use to represent almost any type steam locomotive made. I understand that Fred Rouse, whom, as i was told, is the new owner of SSL&S is doing his best to get the company up and running and back into full swing. But even still it is going to take him time.....lots of time. In the meantime I'd like to super detail one of more of American Models 4-8-4's to represent an NP A class Northern. Does anyone make S scale detailing parts in brass, white metal or even plastic for different domes, headlights etc that would work in my project?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69456 From: Brady Burdge Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: TrainLife - NKP Geeps Earned Their Stripes
Good article

http://www.trainlife.com/articles/701/nkp-geeps-earned-their-stripes

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69457 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Detailing parts
Hi Robert,

I would recommend that you contact Fred anyway. In February he reported
that he is back in business. I talked with him about two years ago and
he was already up and running then. He just wasn't ready to make a
public announcement yet, because he was still working on building up his
inventory. However, February's announcement by him seemed to indicate
that he is back in full swing. I know I ordered a part from him a little
over a year ago and got it quickly.

http://www.sscaleloco.com/

Usual disclaimer; just passing on what I know. His announcement is shown
on the NASG's web site.

- Peter.
(NASG webmaster).


On 04/25/2012 2:37 pm, Robert wrote:
> Way back when S Scale Locomotive& Supply was still owned by Claude Wade he had literally every part to use to represent almost any type steam locomotive made. I understand that Fred Rouse, whom, as i was told, is the new owner of SSL&S is doing his best to get the company up and running and back into full swing. But even still it is going to take him time.....lots of time. In the meantime I'd like to super detail one of more of American Models 4-8-4's to represent an NP A class Northern. Does anyone make S scale detailing parts in brass, white metal or even plastic for different domes, headlights etc that would work in my project?
>

--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
http://nasg.org/
--


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69458 From: Robert Lampe Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Detailing parts
Thank you Peter I'll do just that.
Bob

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: groups@...
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:18:03 -0500
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Detailing parts


























Hi Robert,



I would recommend that you contact Fred anyway. In February he reported

that he is back in business. I talked with him about two years ago and

he was already up and running then. He just wasn't ready to make a

public announcement yet, because he was still working on building up his

inventory. However, February's announcement by him seemed to indicate

that he is back in full swing. I know I ordered a part from him a little

over a year ago and got it quickly.



http://www.sscaleloco.com/



Usual disclaimer; just passing on what I know. His announcement is shown

on the NASG's web site.



- Peter.

(NASG webmaster).



On 04/25/2012 2:37 pm, Robert wrote:

> Way back when S Scale Locomotive& Supply was still owned by Claude Wade he had literally every part to use to represent almost any type steam locomotive made. I understand that Fred Rouse, whom, as i was told, is the new owner of SSL&S is doing his best to get the company up and running and back into full swing. But even still it is going to take him time.....lots of time. In the meantime I'd like to super detail one of more of American Models 4-8-4's to represent an NP A class Northern. Does anyone make S scale detailing parts in brass, white metal or even plastic for different domes, headlights etc that would work in my project?

>



--

Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)

Houston, Texas



http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)

http://fourthray.com/ (my company)

http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)

http://nasg.org/

--



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69459 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: NASG Chattanooga: Southern #630 Steam & TVRM
Bob Hogan sent this message to the S-scale yahoo group> I have copied it
because it should be of equal interest to the S-trains S gaugers. Bob and
several of plan on sending out period emails with information about the
NASG Convention in Chattanooga, which we expect to be a real showcase.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------
As best we know at this time, the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum's newly
restored Southern Railway #630 (2-8-0) will be operating in Chattanooga on
the Weekend of the NASG. The #630 was returned to service in late 2011
after a long restoration. One of the The 1904 ALCo is the current "star" of the
Norfolk Southern's revived "21st Century" steam program and will be joined
by famed Southern #4501 (2-8-2) soon. The national RR magazines have both
featured the #630 this spring. The #4501 is under restoration in the TVRM's
shops. Hopefully we will get to see this engine on tour as well.

The #630 will be operating on the "Missionary Ridge Local" making five
roundtrips on Saturday & Sunday. If things go as usual, it should also be
under steam at the shops on Friday for any last minute minor maintenance.
Weekday power is provided by one of TVRM's fine GP-7's. The trip operates
through a 1858 tunnel.

The NASG excursion train on Thursday to Chickamauga is our own special
train and is usually pulled by ex-Southern Railway GP-30 #2594 resplendent in
Southern Railway's green/white/gold livery. Not only is this a great rail
trip, it's a must for any Civil War (the War of Northern Aggression to many
folks down south) history buff. The battlefield and park visitors center
are well worth the time.

Also of interest is the TCRM's "Hiwassee River Rail Adventure". A restored
NC&StL GP-7 (in correct NC&StL livery) operates over former NC&StL
trackage on a 50 mile roundtrip that includes the famed Hiwassee Loop and some
terrific river views. This train operates from Etowah (a small town north of
Chattanooga) on all August weekends.

There's also the TVRM's collection of equipment at Chattanooga that is
worth seeing.
Check out their website at www.TVRail.com for complete details. TVRM is a
first class operation by any standard and is 50 years old!

There's lots to do & see in Chatanooga!!! More than you ever imagined.

Bob Hogan




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69460 From: ALan Evans Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: Detailing parts
Robert,



The April 2011 NASG Dispatch has an excellent article by
Brooks Stover how he detailed an AM 4-6-2 Pacific to B & O P1-d and listed
the sources and detail parts he used.



- Alan Evans

o Gahanna, OH



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:38 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Detailing parts



. In the meantime I'd like to super detail one of more of American Models
4-8-4's to represent an NP A class Northern. Does anyone make S scale
detailing parts in brass, white metal or even plastic for different domes,
headlights etc that would work in my project?





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69461 From: zemouse2001 Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: resin casting
Thanks, Roy, for a great batch of information. Greatly appreciated by this beginner!

Bob Groh
Blue Springs, MO.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Meissner" <rmeissner@...> wrote:
>
> I have been doing a lot of resin casting and can share my experiences. I buy my resin in 1 gallon or 5 gallon pails. I put resin in smaller containers for pouring into molds. I use a product called "Xtend-it". I spray some into the container and then put the lid on. I have kept resin for over 2 years using this product. It helps eliminate moisture. However, it is best if you can use the resin within about 6 months once you open it.
>
> When you mix resin, you will get some bubbles in it. I use a pressure pot to force the air out of my castings. If you use a vacum pump to get air out of resin, when you pour it some air bubbles will form. If you are casting thin pieces, you may still get some air bubbles even with a pressure pot. I have never used a vacum pump to get air out of resin. I do use a vacum pump to get air out of the silicone I use for making molds.
>
> I use two kinds of resin, Smooth-On 327 which has a pot life of 10 minutes and a cure time of 4 to 6 hours. I also use Task 4 which has a pot life of 15 to 20 minutes and cure time of 12 to 16 hours. The task 4 is very strong and can be used on thickness as thin as .030 or less. The 327 should have a thickness of at least .080. the 327 is clear snd would normaly be used with a pigment. The Task 4 is white in color.
>
> Micro Mark products are good. I have used them. I buy my resin from Eager Polymers (Eagerplastics.com) in Chicago. They are cheaper than Micro Mark. You can buy up to a barrel of resin. That would make a lot of doors.
>
> I have made a lot of truck bodies and trailers from resin. I am making the containers for the 2012 Fall S Fest car, 3000 of them. I have done a deck girder bridge. I am working on coal loads for my hopper cars. There was a good article in the April 2012 Model Railroader on these coal loads. I made the shell of resin and then put glue coal on top if it. I hollowed out the pattern enough that the coal load weighs 1 oz. I will have some at the S Spree if you would like to buy some. (Or just look at them)
>
> Resin casting is one more tool we have to use in our hobby. It can be as expensive as you want it to be. If you want good quality, you may have to invest in some tools as vacum pump or pressure pot.
>
> Roy J Meissner
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69462 From: ken garber Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Re: resin casting
>
> 2b. Re: resin casting
> Posted by: "zemouse2001" bob.groh@... zemouse2001
> Date: Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:50 pm ((PDT))
>
> Thanks, Roy, for a great batch of information. Greatly appreciated by this
> beginner!
>
> Bob Groh
> Blue Springs, MO.
>
>
There are also a few Resin Casting groups on Yahoo.

Ken


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69463 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
I've not used the Micro-Mark product, but we DO use (and sell)
Alumilite.

It is excellent, and reproduces fine detail very well.

For molds, my preference is the HS-3 material as it lasts longer (more
use) and is less likely to tear.

An Alumilite "Mini-Starter-Kit" is only $30.





<<<> Resin casting is not real cheap, but it is real useful, and worth a
> look. If you decide to go into it as a stand alone hobby, there are
less
> expensive places to get the resin and supplies, but you'll have to buy
> in larger volumes.

Here's another source: http://www.alumilite.com/
<http://www.alumilite.com/> >>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 69464 From: Ray Puls Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Re: NKP Geeps earned their stripes
Brady, Thank you so much for the link to this article, I had not seen it before and because I own a pair of these by Flyonel I found this to be very interesting.
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69465 From: Brady Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Original Norfolk Southern - NS Heritage Loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 69466 From: Rich Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Re: Original Norfolk Southern - NS Heritage Loco
Brady - thanks for the links to the NS heritage locos. Glad to see that there's at least a couple of us that peruse the railpictures.net website. Some very high quality photography gets displayed there (independent of the subject matter). They also have an easily searchable picture data base. A few weeks ago when folks on this website were discussing the latest Flyonel offering - the Y-6 class 2-8-8-2 - I went to the railpix website and searched for 2-8-8-2 and turned up a number of photos - most of which were in color. Pretty cool.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=396143&nseq=0
>
>
> Brady
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69467 From: John & Maria Harvey Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: AF in Akron, Cleveland Ohio
Dear All,

I will be in the Akron and Cleveland Ohio area during the later part of
June. Are there any stores there that carry AF and other S Gauge?

Regards,

John Harvey
Group: S-Trains Message: 69468 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
I'd like LTI or SHS or American Models make: The 343 yard switcher. Just my
2 cents. Mike in Ore

Anormal1 Smoke Fluid
Michael Strickland
211 Summit Ave
Medford, Ore
97501


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69469 From: Lennis Hall Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
It seems like a lot of people would like to have someone make is something they already have, but would like a new one.  How about something new for change, like maybe a some new accessories.

Len

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69470 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
I would like to see the cow on track accessory re released as well as some new ideas as well.  How about a rail to truck cross dock with animated truck loading and pulling away?

--- On Thu, 4/26/12, Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> wrote:


From: Lennis Hall <len_hall@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, April 26, 2012, 6:33 PM



 



It seems like a lot of people would like to have someone make is something they already have, but would like a new one.  How about something new for change, like maybe a some new accessories.

Len

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69471 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 4/26/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
I would love to see RTR Baldwin Sharks.

Bob

Sent from my iPod

On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:51 PM, anormal1@... wrote:

> I'd like LTI or SHS or American Models make: The 343 yard switcher. Just my
> 2 cents. Mike in Ore
>
> Anormal1 Smoke Fluid
> Michael Strickland
> 211 Summit Ave
> Medford, Ore
> 97501
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo!
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69472 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 4/27/2012
Subject: First edition AC Gilbert postwar AF S Gauge Reference Man.
Hi All,
Thinning out S-Gauge things I don't or can't use anymore. I have this reference manual By Robert A. Hannon for sale if anyone is interested. Retails 24.95. It is lightly used as I have had it since it first came out. I'll sell it and ship it for $16.00. I can take paypal or check or m.o. is ok too. I would even trade for A S-gauge box car or two for kitbashing if anyone is interested. Thanks, Chris
Group: S-Trains Message: 69473 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 4/27/2012
Subject: NASG Chattanooga: Southern #630 Steam & TVRM
Regarding things to see & do in Chattanooga, there is also the Delta Queen
Steamboat semi-permanently docked and in use as a hotel. Guided tours are
available. She's intact, with some steam usually up, as it's needed to heat
the rooms. In the adjoining park is a beautifully restored carousel. Just
across the river is the Aquarium, which is an amazing place that will occupy
most of an afternoon. There's lots more there than just fish.
Wish we could be there, it's a great place to visit!
S'
David Dewey
Group: S-Trains Message: 69474 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/27/2012
Subject: Re: What I'd like to see in S
I love those Baldwin Sharks too, and pondered (briefly) the brass ones which were announced a few years ago. It seems these are virtually "forgotten locomotives" in about every scale, yet they are very attractive.
The #343 0-8-0 switcher would seem to be a good choice for Flyonel to make as they probably have the tooling anyway. A similar circuit board to the one used in the 0-6-0 Docksider would easily fit inside.
A "Team Track Dock" would be a good new accessory. There were many of these on sidings where businesses could send their own wagons (hense the name "team" track, refering to horse draw vehicles) or trucks to pick up freight directly from railroad cars. Perhaps figures holding boxes which turned side to side would be an easier movement to create. This would look as if they were passing freight from car door to truck.
A new Cow On Track Accessory would be interesting, maybe with a closer to scale cow instead of the "Babe the Blue Ox" size beast that came originally. I have my own version in mind where the train doesn't stop, but since humor isn't well accepted on Yahoo Groups anymore, I'll just let that idea go! :-)
Actually, repops of any of the Gilbert accessories would probably sell well. Perhaps the "vibrator" under the floor of the Stock Yard could be replaced by the magnet based movement you see in those inexpensive "ice skating" Christmas decorating items.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69475 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/27/2012
Subject: Re: was NASG Chatt. SR #630 Steam/TVRM - FAMILY ATTRACTIONS
David, Chattanooga is such a great place for vacations, especially for
FAMILIES, partly because of some of the things you mention.

I (with help from some other S gaugers) am compiling a list of some of
these attractions to send in an email to the S yahoo groups. Its hard to get
everything in an email but I will be including links to as many of the
things as I can.

The two world-class aquariums are first on the list, plus the park, the
Delta Queen Hotel, IMAX, Science and Nature Museum, all in downtown
Chattanooga, not far from our Chattanooga CHOO CHOO Convention Hotel.

This has the potential to be an outstanding showcase convention with these
family attractions plus everything else in Chattanooga. And now is the
time for planning vacations.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 4/27/2012 5:43:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
djdewey@... writes:




Regarding things to see & do in Chattanooga, there is also the Delta Queen
Steamboat semi-permanently docked and in use as a hotel. Guided tours are
available. She's intact, with some steam usually up, as it's needed to
heat
the rooms. In the adjoining park is a beautifully restored carousel. Just
across the river is the Aquarium, which is an amazing place that will
occupy
most of an afternoon. There's lots more there than just fish.
Wish we could be there, it's a great place to visit!
S'
David Dewey






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69476 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/27/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
I am puzzled why LTI has not incorporated the mail pick-up mechanism in
either the streamlined baggage car or in one of the newly-tooled heavyweight
cars. This has always been my favorite accessory. But the appearance of
the New Haven style baggage car, including the action car trucks, is
inferior to the Budd streamlined cars or the heavyweights.

This is into going to happen but I would love to see the mail pickup
mechanism in an AM RPO, both the Budd and the heavyweight.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 4/26/2012 8:02:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
canambob91710k@... writes:




I would love to see RTR Baldwin Sharks.

Bob

Sent from my iPod

On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:51 PM, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...)
wrote:

> I'd like LTI or SHS or American Models make: The 343 yard switcher. Just
my
> 2 cents. Mike in Ore
>
> Anormal1 Smoke Fluid
> Michael Strickland
> 211 Summit Ave
> Medford, Ore
> 97501
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo!
> Seacrest embarrasses girlfriend on live TV
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>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69477 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/27/2012
Subject: Re: What I'd like to see in S -Enter your create idea in NASG AF Con
Perhaps a few of you will enter a scratch-built accessory or new car in the
NASG Convetion contest sponsored by Monte Heppe and the Calabash Terminal
Railroad. You have just over 3 months for this year's contest.

Go to _http://www.nasg2012.com/_
(http://www.nasg2012.com/) for a Contest Entry Form
American Flyer Imagineering Category
Sponsored By Monte Heppe and the Calabash Terminal RR

Models may be of Accessories, Motive Power or Rolling Stock of a new
product constructed,
as A.C. Gilbert would likely have done.

- Earl Henry, Nashville






In a message dated 4/27/2012 6:19:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
mrstumpy@... writes:




I love those Baldwin Sharks too, and pondered (briefly) the brass ones
which were announced a few years ago. It seems these are virtually "forgotten
locomotives" in about every scale, yet they are very attractive.
The #343 0-8-0 switcher would seem to be a good choice for Flyonel to make
as they probably have the tooling anyway. A similar circuit board to the
one used in the 0-6-0 Docksider would easily fit inside.
A "Team Track Dock" would be a good new accessory. There were many of
these on sidings where businesses could send their own wagons (hense the name
"team" track, refering to horse draw vehicles) or trucks to pick up freight
directly from railroad cars. Perhaps figures holding boxes which turned
side to side would be an easier movement to create. This would look as if they
were passing freight from car door to truck.
A new Cow On Track Accessory would be interesting, maybe with a closer to
scale cow instead of the "Babe the Blue Ox" size beast that came
originally. I have my own version in mind where the train doesn't stop, but since
humor isn't well accepted on Yahoo Groups anymore, I'll just let that idea go!
:-)
Actually, repops of any of the Gilbert accessories would probably sell
well. Perhaps the "vibrator" under the floor of the Stock Yard could be
replaced by the magnet based movement you see in those inexpensive "ice skating"
Christmas decorating items.
Stumpy in Ahia






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69478 From: Edward Musil Date: 4/27/2012
Subject: Re: First edition AC Gilbert postwar AF S Gauge Reference Man.
Hi Chris,
Just an FYI- I have to leave this afternoon (Friday) and will not be able to have an internet connection until midday Saturday. I'll pay you for the book at that time (assuming that you still have it).   Have a great weekend!
Ed Musil


________________________________
From: Chrisandmhel Burger <chrisandmhelburger@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 1:05 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] First edition AC Gilbert postwar AF S Gauge Reference Man.


 
Hi All,
Thinning out S-Gauge things I don't or can't use anymore. I have this reference manual By Robert A. Hannon for sale if anyone is interested. Retails 24.95. It is lightly used as I have had it since it first came out. I'll sell it and ship it for $16.00. I can take paypal or check or m.o. is ok too. I would even trade for A S-gauge box car or two for kitbashing if anyone is interested. Thanks, Chris




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69479 From: tbennerohio Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Baldwin Sharks would get my vote too. I would also line up for a
NKP Berkshire
or a Dreyfuss Hudson

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 69480 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
I would love to see a AF compatible high rail 44-tonner.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Hendrickson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"



I would love to see RTR Baldwin Sharks.

Bob

Sent from my iPod

On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:51 PM, anormal1@... wrote:

> I'd like LTI or SHS or American Models make: The 343 yard switcher. Just my
> 2 cents. Mike in Ore
>
> Anormal1 Smoke Fluid
> Michael Strickland
> 211 Summit Ave
> Medford, Ore
> 97501
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69481 From: Brady Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
> This is into going to happen but I would love to see the mail pickup
> mechanism in an AM RPO, both the Budd and the heavyweight.
>
> - Earl Henry, Nashville
>

Perhaps someone will take up the challenge and write an article on converting an AM RPO to an operating mail car

Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 69482 From: Jacques Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: 21155 Docksider Problem
I finally splurged and bought the $30 pick up assembly that was missing from my docksider. Now that it has juice, it has another problem. The whole armature is moving front to back because the upper bearing is loose in the plastic brush bearing mount. I'm not sure how it should go. There's an upper bearing that's not attached to anything, a fiber washer (mesh-like), and a brass washer with sides that look like they're designed to center the bearing. I don't know what order it was originally put together. Anyone have any ideas?

The new pick ups sit so high that the wheels don't touch the track. I'll tackle that problem next.

Thanks,
Jacques
Group: S-Trains Message: 69483 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Now this is probably purely selfish, and maybe it would only be real
sellable out here in the far west.
An SP Cab Forward. Now that Flyonel is going to make some 2-8-8-2 locos, the
chassis is done, just turn it around and make a new boiler AND an oil
tender.
That's the other thing I'd like to see made: some oil tenders--not every
locomotive was coal fired!!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69484 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: s-gauge reference manual SOLD!
Thank you so much for all the interest in the reference manual. It has a new home now. Chris
Group: S-Trains Message: 69485 From: Al Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
How about LTI making some diesel ins the E and F series - I am tired of the PA look on the new diesels. It does not look very convincing on the Texas Specials.
 
Al Rawdon
Layton, Utah

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69486 From: johntech Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Hey Alan

Talk to Tom Hawley! I believe he was selling a 44 tonner kit for S


John


----- Original Message -----
From: Alan and Sherry Bennett
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"



I would love to see a AF compatible high rail 44-tonner.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69487 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
Streetcar that dont cost an arm and a leg

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69488 From: Henry Buehling Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: question
I have a question for the group. This is Cindy, not Hank and I'm not sure of
the rules of the group. Do you allow selling? Hank has advanced Parkinson's
disease and I am coming off a bout with cancer - chemo is over & I'm in
radiation now. We have agreed that the trains - mostly American Flyer - must be
sold. We have an eBay account, but would rather offer to a group of people we
know are interested in what he has. He suggested the S-Trains group. We don't
want to violate the rules, nor do we want to irritate folks with "for sale"
postings. That was a long way to get to the question, I guess. Is selling
allowed on this list?
Cindy & Hank Buehling


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69489 From: David Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: 0-8-0 & 0-6-0 Quartering Tool Photo (Advertisement)
We now have the new photo of our quartering tool #SAQT22512-6-8A for AF
0-8-0 & 0-6-0 steam engines produced from 1946 thru 1966.

To view or purchase this new tool please use the link below

http://w.ww.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://w.ww.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69490 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: S-Trains-Traders
Hi Folks,

I responded to a previous message with some of this information. Here it
is by itself. If some of you are members of the S-Scale group, I would
appreciate it if you would share the information with them as well.

I have started a new group on Yahoo named: S-Trains-Traders.

It is for buying, selling and trading trains in our size. Scale or Flyer
is fine. If you are interested, visit:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains-Traders/join


I welcome all comers,
Bill

--
Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69491 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: What I'd like to see Flyonel make--mail pick up car
I'm glad someone else mentioned this, as the minute I saw the new
streamlined baggage cars I thought, Hey, the door placement is about right
for a mail pickup mechanism!!
This seems almost like a no-brainer, as the mail pickup car was one of the
most reliable operating accessories ACG made!
Do we need to start a letter-writing campaign to Big L? I guess they'd have
to retool a passenger truck for the activation finger (and hopefully they
will do a better job than they did the first time around--how come they
can't just copy something that has worked reliably for decades instead of
having some engineer mess around and come up with something that doesn't
work well?)
S
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69492 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: question
Hi Cindy,

Good luck with your treatments and recovery. I am pretty sure a for sale
list is OK on this Group. There are a couple of ways to to do it. You
can make a list and store it as a document in the Group files. Then,
your note to the members is just a notice of the list and a pointer to
it. That should not bother anyone.

Things that are probably not OK are repeated posting of the same stuff
and postings about active auction site goods.

I am a member of the MarxTrains group. They have cool stuff and a
friendly atmosphere. Many of the Marx trains are the same scale as are
Flyer S-Scale and I run them both on my layout. That group has a couple
of 'associated' groups. These are really just other groups moderated by
the same crew. One of them is the Marx_Traders group. It is specifically
for buying and selling trains in which the members have an interest. I
think the idea of such an associated group is a good one. With that idea
in mind, I have started a new group: S-Trains-Traders. Use the link
below if it sounds like a good idea.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains-Traders/join

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 4/28/2012 9:26 AM, Henry Buehling wrote:
> I have a question for the group. This is Cindy, not Hank and I'm not sure of
> the rules of the group. Do you allow selling? Hank has advanced Parkinson's
> disease and I am coming off a bout with cancer - chemo is over& I'm in
> radiation now. We have agreed that the trains - mostly American Flyer - must be
> sold. We have an eBay account, but would rather offer to a group of people we
> know are interested in what he has. He suggested the S-Trains group. We don't
> want to violate the rules, nor do we want to irritate folks with "for sale"
> postings. That was a long way to get to the question, I guess. Is selling
> allowed on this list?
> Cindy& Hank Buehling
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69493 From: Robert Conner Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: question
Cindy.... I personally have no problem with posting FOR SALE ads here.... I too am facing the fact that I am not getting younger and when I buy the farm the kids will sell the 1000.00 car for anything they can get..... I am selling on ebay now and I have placed some stuff with a consignment seller who is fair and I would recommed him..... But if you decide to do some of this type stuff..... be careful..... I put some stuff with an Atlanta seller..... Got almost nothing after all the fees..... Send me a list as I am still looking for some things yet.... Bob Conner
--- On Sat, 4/28/12, Henry Buehling <diningcar@...> wrote:


From: Henry Buehling <diningcar@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 28, 2012, 9:26 AM



 



I have a question for the group. This is Cindy, not Hank and I'm not sure of
the rules of the group. Do you allow selling? Hank has advanced Parkinson's
disease and I am coming off a bout with cancer - chemo is over & I'm in
radiation now. We have agreed that the trains - mostly American Flyer - must be
sold. We have an eBay account, but would rather offer to a group of people we
know are interested in what he has. He suggested the S-Trains group. We don't
want to violate the rules, nor do we want to irritate folks with "for sale"
postings. That was a long way to get to the question, I guess. Is selling
allowed on this list?
Cindy & Hank Buehling

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69494 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: 0-8-0 & 0-6-0 Quartering Tool Photo (Advertisement)
Hi:
Your site has an error. Should be ...//www.lb..... There is a period
in www that shouldn't be there.
Rance Velapoldi

On 4/28/2012 14:45, David wrote:
>
>
> We now have the new photo of our quartering tool #SAQT22512-6-8A for AF
> 0-8-0 & 0-6-0 steam engines produced from 1946 thru 1966.
>
> To view or purchase this new tool please use the link below
>
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> <http://w.ww.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>
>
> Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
> 502-292-1872
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69495 From: David Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: NEW QUARTERING TOOL Address Change (Advertisement)
Address change to view new 0-8-0 / 0-6-0 quartering tool photo is:



http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69496 From: roninscho Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: What I'd like to see Flyonel make--mail pick up car
did anyone besides Me ever notice that while the Gilbert mail pick up car works very well, It is actually on the wrong side or end of the car as per real railroad practice ? this becomes evident when running on double track with right hand running as most railroads did.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69497 From: Randy Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
The Dreyfuss Hudson would be very cool and I'd buy one immediately! I'd prefer the 20th Century Limited but the very streamlined Commodore Vanderbilt would be great too. Maybe both? They would be the same locomotive except for the locomotive & tender shells.

A Southern Pacific Baldwin cab forward would be an interesting and unusual engine and I suspect it would have broader appeal than just in the west. Originally designed for the very long snow sheds and tunnels in the Sierra Navadas to keep the smoke stack behind the cabin so as not to gas the crew in carbon monoxide.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote:
>
> Baldwin Sharks would get my vote too. I would also line up for a
> NKP Berkshire
> or a Dreyfuss Hudson
>
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69498 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: 21155 Docksider Problem
Hi Jacques,
                     I would suggest you look at an exploded view of the Docksider.   The fiber washer is W2A40. You may have to replace the XA14N916 Brush Bracket Assembly because if it is cracked it won't hold the bearing in place.  It also appears you are missing the PA15B223 Cast Chassis Lower Half that goes above the XA15B222 Contact Assembly.  There is another small bearing that doesn't show in the exploded view PA14A010.  An exploded view would be a great help to you to complete this repair.
                                                                            Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: Jacques <aflyerfan@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:02 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] 21155 Docksider Problem


 
I finally splurged and bought the $30 pick up assembly that was missing from my docksider. Now that it has juice, it has another problem. The whole armature is moving front to back because the upper bearing is loose in the plastic brush bearing mount. I'm not sure how it should go. There's an upper bearing that's not attached to anything, a fiber washer (mesh-like), and a brass washer with sides that look like they're designed to center the bearing. I don't know what order it was originally put together. Anyone have any ideas?

The new pick ups sit so high that the wheels don't touch the track. I'll tackle that problem next.

Thanks,
Jacques




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69499 From: Brady Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: What I'd like to see Flyonel make--mail pick up car
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "roninscho" <roninscho@...> wrote:
> did anyone besides Me ever notice that while the Gilbert mail pick up car works very well, It is actually on the wrong side or end of the car as per real railroad practice ? this becomes evident when running on double track with right hand running as most railroads did.
>

Yep. I'm rebuilding my layout and trying to figure out where to place the trip/bag hanger.. Given the space I suppose you could split the mainline around a station..

Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 69500 From: Mark Speichert Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: question
Hello Cindy,By now I am sure that you have received many responces to your
question.My question is how many items are you looking to sell? What is the
condition of the items and what might you expect to receive for the items?
Thanks Mark




________________________________
From: Henry Buehling <diningcar@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, April 28, 2012 9:32:33 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] question

 
I have a question for the group. This is Cindy, not Hank and I'm not sure of
the rules of the group. Do you allow selling? Hank has advanced Parkinson's
disease and I am coming off a bout with cancer - chemo is over & I'm in
radiation now. We have agreed that the trains - mostly American Flyer - must be
sold. We have an eBay account, but would rather offer to a group of people we
know are interested in what he has. He suggested the S-Trains group. We don't
want to violate the rules, nor do we want to irritate folks with "for sale"
postings. That was a long way to get to the question, I guess. Is selling
allowed on this list?
Cindy & Hank Buehling

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69501 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/29/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69502 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
What year did the Post Office withdraw RPO service? Would it seem right? Heavyweight,sure, but don't go too modern.

jfred

________________________________
From: "tennsgauge@..." <tennsgauge@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"


 
I am puzzled why LTI has not incorporated the mail pick-up mechanism in
either the streamlined baggage car or in one of the newly-tooled heavyweight
cars. This has always been my favorite accessory. But the appearance of
the New Haven style baggage car, including the action car trucks, is
inferior to the Budd streamlined cars or the heavyweights.

This is into going to happen but I would love to see the mail pickup
mechanism in an AM RPO, both the Budd and the heavyweight.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 4/26/2012 8:02:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
canambob91710k@... writes:

I would love to see RTR Baldwin Sharks.

Bob

Sent from my iPod

On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:51 PM, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...)
wrote:

> I'd like LTI or SHS or American Models make: The 343 yard switcher. Just
my
> 2 cents. Mike in Ore
>
> Anormal1 Smoke Fluid
> Michael Strickland
> 211 Summit Ave
> Medford, Ore
> 97501
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69503 From: Henry Buehling Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: question
Well, Mark, you've asked me more than I know right this minute. There has been
a lot of upheaval at our house since last October, including a cleaning
intervention by my brothers (!) and new carpet installed in our bedrooms. That
last helped fill the garage with more than trains, and I haven't had the energy
to get the extra bedrooms straight, which means a lot of the trains are behind
something else. A lot are on shelves. Hank ran his trains until about 20 years
ago. He was just building a new layout when he was diagnosed & that layout
never got finished. However, we're talking a lifetime (67-years) S collection.
Our son is not interested in having the trains, so we'll be selling a lot of
stuff. Condition ranges from mint to fair. I teach & though we will begin
working on a list, it may be into June before it's ready.
Hank's parents collected RR china, silver & linens and those things are going to
be for sale, also. We belong to a railroadiana list & we'll be sending that
list of items to them. It will be a pretty daunting task & we'll probably put
up several lists.
Cindy & Hank Buehling




________________________________
From: Mark Speichert <mspeichert@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, April 28, 2012 5:49:20 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] question

Hello Cindy,By now I am sure that you have received many responces to your
question.My question is how many items are you looking to sell? What is the
condition of the items and what might you expect to receive for the items?
Thanks Mark




________________________________
From: Henry Buehling <diningcar@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, April 28, 2012 9:32:33 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] question


I have a question for the group. This is Cindy, not Hank and I'm not sure of
the rules of the group. Do you allow selling? Hank has advanced Parkinson's
disease and I am coming off a bout with cancer - chemo is over & I'm in
radiation now. We have agreed that the trains - mostly American Flyer - must be
sold. We have an eBay account, but would rather offer to a group of people we
know are interested in what he has. He suggested the S-Trains group. We don't
want to violate the rules, nor do we want to irritate folks with "for sale"
postings. That was a long way to get to the question, I guess. Is selling
allowed on this list?
Cindy & Hank Buehling

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69504 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: question
Cindy,


Personally.... I would be very interested to see what you have for sale here on this group. My opinion is that a group like this could be a big help to a person that is in your position. If others object, let them say so now... otherwise, bring on the "for sale sign"....


Mark Anderman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Henry Buehling" <diningcar@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:26:25 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] question






I have a question for the group. This is Cindy, not Hank and I'm not sure of
the rules of the group. Do you allow selling? Hank has advanced Parkinson's
disease and I am coming off a bout with cancer - chemo is over & I'm in
radiation now. We have agreed that the trains - mostly American Flyer - must be
sold. We have an eBay account, but would rather offer to a group of people we
know are interested in what he has. He suggested the S-Trains group. We don't
want to violate the rules, nor do we want to irritate folks with "for sale"
postings. That was a long way to get to the question, I guess. Is selling
allowed on this list?
Cindy & Hank Buehling

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69505 From: Roy Inman Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
It was in the Nixon era, so sometime in the 1970¹s.
Roy



From: JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:45:45 -0700 (PDT)
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"






What year did the Post Office withdraw RPO service? Would it seem right?
Heavyweight,sure, but don't go too modern.

jfred

________________________________
From: "tennsgauge@... <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com> "
<tennsgauge@... <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com> >
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"


 
I am puzzled why LTI has not incorporated the mail pick-up mechanism in
either the streamlined baggage car or in one of the newly-tooled heavyweight
cars. This has always been my favorite accessory. But the appearance of
the New Haven style baggage car, including the action car trucks, is
inferior to the Budd streamlined cars or the heavyweights.

This is into going to happen but I would love to see the mail pickup
mechanism in an AM RPO, both the Budd and the heavyweight.

- Earl Henry, Nashville

In a message dated 4/26/2012 8:02:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
canambob91710k@... <mailto:canambob91710k%40yahoo.com> writes:

I would love to see RTR Baldwin Sharks.

Bob

Sent from my iPod

On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:51 PM, _anormal1@... <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com>
_ (mailto:anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> )
wrote:

> I'd like LTI or SHS or American Models make: The 343 yard switcher. Just
my
> 2 cents. Mike in Ore
>
> Anormal1 Smoke Fluid
> Michael Strickland
> 211 Summit Ave
> Medford, Ore
> 97501
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69506 From: R G Date: 4/28/2012
Subject: Re: What I'd like to see Flyonel make--mail pick up car
Glbert had the same problem with their crossing gates they were on the wrong side of the road!



________________________________
From: roninscho <roninscho@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What I'd like to see Flyonel make--mail pick up car


 


did anyone besides Me ever notice that while the Gilbert mail pick up car works very well, It is actually on the wrong side or end of the car as per real railroad practice ? this becomes evident when running on double track with right hand running as most railroads did.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69507 From: stevew970 Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: S-Trains-Traders
Bill,

Is this going to be different than the Available S Gauge yahoo site? This site already provides a venue to sell or trade all S gauge, AF, Hi-Rail and S Scale.

Steve Wolcott

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I responded to a previous message with some of this information. Here it
> is by itself. If some of you are members of the S-Scale group, I would
> appreciate it if you would share the information with them as well.
>
> I have started a new group on Yahoo named: S-Trains-Traders.
>
> It is for buying, selling and trading trains in our size. Scale or Flyer
> is fine. If you are interested, visit:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains-Traders/join
>
>
> I welcome all comers,
> Bill
>
> --
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
> wpporter.duckburg.us
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69508 From: Brady Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...> wrote:
>
> What year did the Post Office withdraw RPO service? Would it seem right? Heavyweight,sure, but don't go too modern.
>
> jfred
>

This article says RPO service ended in 1977

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_post_office


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 69509 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: S trains- Traders Why?
Bill,
Why form another S trains trading group when there is already "Available
Sgauge" Yahoo group; formed to sell/trade only S gauge?
Maybe you weren't aware of it?
Maybe more aren't aware of it???
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69510 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE MADE IN "S"
I am interested in E6s and/or E7s, especially if they offered them with the
option of scale wheels. I have too much stuff already and those are the
only new locomotives I can think of that I really need.

- Earl Henry, Nashville
.


In a message dated 4/28/2012 6:52:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
alsflyer@... writes:




How about LTI making some diesel ins the E and F series - I am tired of the
PA look on the new diesels. It does not look very convincing on the Texas
Specials.

Al Rawdon
Layton, Utah

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69511 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: S trains- Traders Why?
Thanks David,

You are the third to mention AvailableSGauge - some in private notes.
Thank you. I am not a member of that group - might have been in the
past. It was no longer on my horizon. A family posted here that they
wanted to sell some stuff; asking if sales were OK on this list. I saw
no responses, so, I offered a suggestion and started a group with an
easily found name - one that matches ours and is close to the scale
guy's group.

So far, people have been joining the new group. I have not seen much
listing activity. Less than 24 hours in, that is not surprising. It may
well be that the new group is not worth the bother or that it could have
an effect of further dividing and diluting our community. If that turns
out to be the case, I will pull the plug on it in favor of Available.

I am not looking to buy or to sell on that group. The family and perhaps
others need a place to sell that is easy to find. Do you think it makes
sense for there to be a direct mention of the AvailableSGauge on the
home page of S-Trains? Should there be a mention from time to time about
such groups on the S-Trains list? What do you think would be a good way
to assist folks in finding a place to buy, sell and trade trains in our
size - especially if they are entering with no experience or no recent
experience? I hate to think we just abandon them to eBay or CraigsList
or hope they can use fuzzy logic to find an outlet.

I can tell you for sure that I really do not need any more projects. I
can also state my opinion that we ought to make it easy and obvious for
people to find ways to move trains to good new homes.

What do you think?

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 4/28/2012 11:23 PM, djdewey@... wrote:
> Bill,
> Why form another S trains trading group when there is already "Available
> Sgauge" Yahoo group; formed to sell/trade only S gauge?
> Maybe you weren't aware of it?
> Maybe more aren't aware of it???
> S'
> David D.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69512 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: S-Trains-Traders
Hi Steve,

I have responded a couple of times at long-winded length. I hope those
notes come through to you. If not, ask again and I will answer again.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 4/29/2012 2:58 AM, stevew970 wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Is this going to be different than the Available S Gauge yahoo site? This site already provides a venue to sell or trade all S gauge, AF, Hi-Rail and S Scale.
>
> Steve Wolcott
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69513 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Possible Spam alert
To all S Trains members and moderators: Be on the watch for a group of Spammers who seem to be systematically attacking Yahoo Groups. Both the On30 Conspiracy and the On30 Group have been attacked in the past couple of weeks.
These people have used the subjects "Hi" or "no subject" or "You have to see this" or "This is amazing" so far. They're pushing porn, hair restorers, and other crap, but are actually hi-jacking address lists to spew more Spam or ???
Please be on the lookout for this and obviously don't open anything that you don't recognize as a regular contact. Upgarde your computer's security measures. This has caused a lot of trouble on these other groups.
There has also been a recent rash of bogus "chain e-mails" going around as well. "Good Luck" and "Blessings" have been two that my AVG program caught. It appears the Spring weather has awakened these scum again.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69514 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: What I'd like to see Flyonel make--mail pick up car
The mail pickup arms would work on either side and any of the small (non-baggage) doors on an RPO or RPO Combine. They interchanged with the straight safety bar that was used when the door was not actively used for mail pickup.

It never occurred to me, but you are correct that the mail pickup would be on other side of the AF car for double track. But mail pickup arms were not necessarily duplicated on both sides of the track, so having pickup on the “wrong” side on single track was pretty common and could be from the front or rear door on a full RPO. When I was 10 or so I watched an RPO on the Pere Marquette roar by to pickup Mail at Union Pier, MI and should have the reason why the RPO Clerk was frantically waving at me was that the mail bag, like my American Flyer, that the loaded bag that was being kicked off the car as the bag was being caught on the arm could hit me!!! In that instance the catcher was on the “right” side of the car for the Chicago-bound train, but a Detroit train would have had to catch from the “wrong” side as there was only one crane there.

Charlie Vlk



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69515 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: NASG Convention - Some info on CIvil War and Great Loco Chase Sites
I copied the information below from an email that Bob Hogan sent to the
S-scale yahoo group. Its a little more than three months away before the
showcase NASG Convention in Chattanooga. Perhaps this infromation will help
you decide to attend the convention and help you with your travel plans.
More emails with area attractions will be forthcoming. - Earl Henry,
Nashville
=====================================================
from Bob Hogan:
NASG Convention goers...

April 2012 marks the 150th Anniversary of "The Great Locomotive Chase".
Thanks to the 1956 Disney movie staring Fess Parker, this Civil War
historical railroad event has always held a soft spot in my heart. Convention
attendees can visit many of the actual sites, as the "Chase" events took place
between Big Shanty (today's Kennesaw) and Chattanooga.

The 4-4-0 "General" (Rogers 1856) is on display in the former Big Shanty,
now Kennesaw, a scant few feet from where the "Chase" actually began. The
Southern Museum of Civil War & Locomotive History is a beautiful
contemporary museum and is an affiliate of the Smithsonian. The museum displays the
"General" in a special room and contains a fine pictorial history of the
"Chase" and locations. It also is home to another lesser known piece of southern
steam locomotive history. The Golver Machine Works was transported (as it
last sat) from its original building and set up again inside the museum. It
is a wonderful recreation complete with tools and locomotives under
assembly. Very interesting!

The other star of the "Chase", the 4-4-0 "Texas" (Cooke 1856), is
enshrined within the Atlanta Cyclorama & Civil War Museum in Grants Park. Again,
plenty of "Chase" history here as well as the traditional Civil War history
and pictorials. It's just off I-20 east of downtown Atlanta & I-75 (your
route north to Chattanooga).

I have several books on the Andrews Raiders and the "Chase", however,
Trains Magazine did an outstanding job of covering this event in a 12 page
story in their April issue. It includes a fine map of the actual sites and
photos of what is there to be seen today. I highly recommend that you get a
copy if you are interested in "The Great Locomotive Chase" and the Andrew's
Raiders history.

Convention goers arriving in Atlanta will parallel the route of the "
Chase" on their drive to Chattanooga. Many sites are easy to get to and there
are several near and in Chattanooga itself. The old Big Shanty (a section of
Kennesaw) is a neat little RR town in it own right with the CSX mainline
making a sweeping "S" curve past the old station on the grade north.

Both the museum in Kennesaw and the TVRM in Chattanooga are offering
special events and presentations in honor of the 150th Anniversary.

Bob Hogan





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69516 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: Possible Spam alert
I have even received two of those with the return address of family
members. I wonder if a few people have been hit with some sort of worm
and the return addresses are spoofed?

It would be nice to have controllable graphics like that on the sides of
our rolling stock. Just dial up Santa Fe or Pennsy for a whole new look.

Bill (I thoroughly dislike those spoofers and spamers)

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 4/29/2012 10:24 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
> To all S Trains members and moderators: Be on the watch for a group of Spammers who seem to be systematically attacking Yahoo Groups. Both the On30 Conspiracy and the On30 Group have been attacked in the past couple of weeks.
> These people have used the subjects "Hi" or "no subject" or "You have to see this" or "This is amazing" so far. They're pushing porn, hair restorers, and other crap, but are actually hi-jacking address lists to spew more Spam or ???
> Please be on the lookout for this and obviously don't open anything that you don't recognize as a regular contact. Upgarde your computer's security measures. This has caused a lot of trouble on these other groups.
> There has also been a recent rash of bogus "chain e-mails" going around as well. "Good Luck" and "Blessings" have been two that my AVG program caught. It appears the Spring weather has awakened these scum again.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69517 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/29/2012, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69518 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: What I'd like to see Flyonel make--mail pick up car
My grandfather, while working for the Central RR of NJ, had his leg broken by mail kicked off a passing train. My Dad never thought the Flyer mail car was a good idea.

Bob

Sent from my iPod

On Apr 29, 2012, at 2:32 PM, "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@...> wrote:

> The mail pickup arms would work on either side and any of the small (non-baggage) doors on an RPO or RPO Combine. They interchanged with the straight safety bar that was used when the door was not actively used for mail pickup.
>
> It never occurred to me, but you are correct that the mail pickup would be on other side of the AF car for double track. But mail pickup arms were not necessarily duplicated on both sides of the track, so having pickup on the “wrong” side on single track was pretty common and could be from the front or rear door on a full RPO. When I was 10 or so I watched an RPO on the Pere Marquette roar by to pickup Mail at Union Pier, MI and should have the reason why the RPO Clerk was frantically waving at me was that the mail bag, like my American Flyer, that the loaded bag that was being kicked off the car as the bag was being caught on the arm could hit me!!! In that instance the catcher was on the “right” side of the car for the Chicago-bound train, but a Detroit train would have had to catch from the “wrong” side as there was only one crane there.
>
> Charlie Vlk
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69519 From: Ben Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Newest circus project
No pics yet, but my newest circus load project will be to make a circus spot light truck. I have had this project on my mind for some time, but I could not find a spot light assembly small enough to look good on a Pyro truck. I finally found one at the TCA pre-York shows.

I have an old Pyro army truck that will lend itself to the conversion. Coolest part, I think, is that tonight I took a repro circus flat body and attached trucks...with wire pick ups. Along with some metal wheel sets, this will allow me to have the spotlight truck shining when the train is running!

Hoping it all works as planned. I spent a good two hours in the workshop tonight working on various train projects. Life is all good!

Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 69520 From: Ben Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: Heavyweight doors
Pulling this thread back to topic...today I sprayed the styrene door assemblies with rust colored primer...it matches the Tuscan colr very well.

After super-gluing window inserts onto them (two sets of end doors and two baggage doors), I installed everything and with the addition of some postwar light sockets and new wires, my pre-war diecast Pullman project cars are finished! Looking good. Can't wait to try them out!

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> I purchased some prewar 3/16" diecast tuscan heavyweights at the York show for a very favorable price. Missing were two sets of "end" platform doors and the baggage compartment doors on the baggage car.
>
> What to do? I priced these reproduced parts out at the vendors who were not unreasonable at all (and very well made for restorations), but buying them would have almost doubled my price on the set of cars. I thought about making them from thin sheet metal as I had done on my Polar Express creations, or brass, but finally my mind settled on styrene. Cheap, easy to work with, and readily available.
>
> I already have a stash of styrene in the cabinet, so I chose some the correct thickness to slide into the channels cast in the car body to accept the genuine article. I next traced some doors I already had onto thicker styrene sheet and cut them out with scissors.
>
> Punching the window openings (square) was the hardest part, but I did so with various size hole punches and finished with a small file.
>
> I superglued the doors perpendicular to the backing plates leaving room for the channel and- we have doors.
>
> They do not operate, but how many of you spend time sitting on a Friday evening opening and closing your tiny train car doors?
>
> Now to paint with some rust colored primer to match (kind of) the tuscan color and glue on some plastic sheeting for windows.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69521 From: Ben Date: 4/29/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Got another junked maroon #652 at York for $8. Needed a lot of parts and TLC, but I am about ready to attach new masonite ends and mask for PE colors. I will also make end doors for it out of styrene. I am up to four cars now and have not paid more than $10 for any of them. It is great fun tinkering with this junk!

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> You are quite welcome, Jack. I do enjoy running it on my layout and on the club layout. It is a big hit, and to my knowledge, the only PE train in S gauge. I may very well be wrong, and based on the interest, it looks like lots of them might be running the rails soon!
>
> The biggest complaint I seem to get from diehard AF collectors is that the engine is not a Berkshire-and therefore not correct.
>
> I had the spare Pacific floating around, and that became the lucky candidate. The train is based on a cartoon for goodness sake! I am quite happy with it.
>
> The hardest part is actually not preparing the cars or painting them...it is finding broken 652-3-4 series maroon passenger cars that are good cheap candidates. I think I have $40 in the whole train to this point.
>
> Ben
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JOHN RUTH <afdinger@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Ben for all that information and for the great pics of your cars,
> > especially the work on the observation car platform. I will look for that blue
> > paint.
> > You have a nice looking Polar Express train that I am sure goes over well at
> > your shows.
> > Jack
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69522 From: Charlie Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: S Scale Train Supplies
Hi everyone.


Want to bring to your attention the huge range of S scale items now available at www.phillipsmodels.co.nz.


A New Zealand company which has purchased several New Zealand manufacturers and now producing under their own name. Take a look and you will see a wide range of products suitable for S scale.


You will see lineside/trackside scenic accessories including: machinery, workshop equipment, livestock (including chooks/chickens!! just what you need), figurines, doors, windows. A lot of these items also suitable for OO/HO layouts. Look at the tools, wide range of brick/stone papers in various scales.


Lots of New Zealand Railway rolling stock kitsets, passenger and freight. Take a look at these, you may be talked into NZR modelling!


An item that compliments all the other products is the Downloadable buildings. These are in several scales (S N TT OO HO etc) and a wide range of structures, and more coming! Best value for money these are. Download and make up a kit, or several kits. Made using top quality card and you print off the finishing layer, some in brick and other materials. Easy to kitbash to suit your layout and room available.


Have just purchased the Railmaster range of S products, and rolling stock, and these will be online soon. Contact Adrian on adrian@... for any enquiries on Railmaster products coming up. Keep a lookout for locomotives coming up also. Got you interested ?


There has been a thread running on Yahoo group re what you modelers would like to see modeled. Well let us know, we are in the International market and want to meet your requirements. Go here and let us know loco ideas.

http://www.survs.com/survey/QT7GAIT3JD?utm_source=Phillips%27+Models+Railway+Modelling+Newsletter&utm_campaign=1d250058fe-kitset-survey-2012&utm_medium=email

As you can see we do things right and using the best people for development. Will love to see your input to survey.


All contact details also on our web page.



Dont forget to join our mailing list and Facebook etc see our webpages.


Thanks for your ear.


Adrian Phillips

Phillips Models

New Zealand



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69523 From: David Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: PRR Heavy Weight Pass. Car Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Thanks to CARL TUVESON we now have a GENERIC DECAL SET+ for the PRR
HEAVY WEIGHT Passenger cars in DULUX GOLD. The text is .140" H x 6.0" L
and the number lines are .10" H.

This new set may be viewed / purchased using the link below:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html>

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69524 From: rapidrail1 Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: Re: Newest circus project
Ben,

This sounds interesting. I too have been working on a number of circus cars. Some are fantasy, some to go with the Scenery Unlimited circus train and some to go with the Flyonel circus train. This has been one of my most fun projects. I have posted some photos of my fantasy and Flyonel project cars in an album called Wayne's Circus cars. I think I also placed some videos on YouTube. I have more to post later. You may be seeing some photos of the cars made to go with the Scenery Unlimited circus train in "S Gaugian" sometime in the future.

I have given some thought to a car like you described. However, mine was simply to use a Pyro searchlight car which is not operational. Your idea is more imaginative and fun. I am anxious to see how it turns out and maybe do one of my own.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> No pics yet, but my newest circus load project will be to make a circus spot light truck. I have had this project on my mind for some time, but I could not find a spot light assembly small enough to look good on a Pyro truck. I finally found one at the TCA pre-York shows.
>
> I have an old Pyro army truck that will lend itself to the conversion. Coolest part, I think, is that tonight I took a repro circus flat body and attached trucks...with wire pick ups. Along with some metal wheel sets, this will allow me to have the spotlight truck shining when the train is running!
>
> Hoping it all works as planned. I spent a good two hours in the workshop tonight working on various train projects. Life is all good!
>
> Ben
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69525 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: Re: S trains- Traders Why?
Bill & all
I am posting this to the group because it might be a valuable discussion.
You are correct that the title of your new group is more in keeping with
the titles of both S-trains/S-scale groups, so might be easier for others to
find. Since marketing is important, maybe the "Available. . ." group could
be renamed or folded into your group. What say we folks?
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69526 From: Ben Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: Re: Newest circus project
Good to hear from you, Wayne. If all goes well, I hope to have my layout featured in S Gaugian next year. Mr. Heimberger and I had been in contact about it a year ago... then our little baby was born. Will have to wait.

I proudly run the RBBB combine car I got from you with the Scenery Unlimited circus set including the Flyonel circus stock car and new add-on boxcar. This makes a very colorful train!

Like I said, I have the flatcar for the new project ready to go. I just need to figure out how I want to mount the spotlight on the truck...and the rest should be easy. I will post pictures when I get it underway!

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> This sounds interesting. I too have been working on a number of circus cars. Some are fantasy, some to go with the Scenery Unlimited circus train and some to go with the Flyonel circus train. This has been one of my most fun projects. I have posted some photos of my fantasy and Flyonel project cars in an album called Wayne's Circus cars. I think I also placed some videos on YouTube. I have more to post later. You may be seeing some photos of the cars made to go with the Scenery Unlimited circus train in "S Gaugian" sometime in the future.
>
> I have given some thought to a car like you described. However, mine was simply to use a Pyro searchlight car which is not operational. Your idea is more imaginative and fun. I am anxious to see how it turns out and maybe do one of my own.
>
> Wayne
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@> wrote:
> >
> > No pics yet, but my newest circus load project will be to make a circus spot light truck. I have had this project on my mind for some time, but I could not find a spot light assembly small enough to look good on a Pyro truck. I finally found one at the TCA pre-York shows.
> >
> > I have an old Pyro army truck that will lend itself to the conversion. Coolest part, I think, is that tonight I took a repro circus flat body and attached trucks...with wire pick ups. Along with some metal wheel sets, this will allow me to have the spotlight truck shining when the train is running!
> >
> > Hoping it all works as planned. I spent a good two hours in the workshop tonight working on various train projects. Life is all good!
> >
> > Ben
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69527 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: Plan a great FAMILY VACATION at the NASG Convention
We hope to see you at the NASG CONVENTION in CHATTANOOGA. This is a great
place for a vacation for the entire family..

Our Convention Hotel is the famous Chattanooga Choo Choo Hotel with
accommodations in Victorian Train Cars or conventional hotel rooms or suites.
The hotel features shops, swimming pools, Gardens, a Trolley, Model Railroad,
and a variety of restaurants. Our convention meetings, exhibits, clinics,
etc. will all be at the hotel. _http://www.choochoo.com/_
(http://www.choochoo.com/)

As an alternative, book your lodging on the Delta Queen Hotel downtown on
the river. Regardless of where you stay, you will want to see this
beautiful old steamboat. _http://www.deltaqueenhotel.net/_
(http://www.deltaqueenhotel.net/)


Bring the Family: Chattanooga is one of the best vacation spots in the
country for bringing the family.


Some of the best attractions, such as the world-class aquariums and an IMAX
theatre, are almost within walking distance of our convention hotel.
Free transportation is available to most downtown attractions from the garage
adjacent to the convention hotel. See this website for details of
attractions including useful tips you should know in advance.
_http://family.go.com/travel
/vacations/tennessee/chattanooga/best-chattanooga-vacation-for-children-282143/_
(http://family.go.com/travel/vacations/tennessee/chattanooga/best-chattanooga-vacation-for-children-282143/) Learn about:

- Tennessee Aquariums and IMAX Theatre
_http://tnaqua.com/Home.aspx_ (http://tnaqua.com/Home.aspx)

- Coolidge Park and the pedestrian bridge over the Tennessee River

- Creative Discovery Museum, a science and nature museum
_http://www.cdmfun.org/_ (http://www.cdmfun.org/)

- Ruby Falls at Lookout Mountain
_http://www.rubyfalls.com/_ (http://www.rubyfalls.com/)

- Tennessee Valley Railroad
_http://www.tvrail.com/_ (http://www.tvrail.com/)
(Ride our convention excursion on Thursday)

- NMRA Headquarters and Library -
(http://www.nmra.org/library/about.html) _http://www.nmra.org/library/about.html_
(http://www.nmra.org/library/about.html)

Located at the entrance to the Tennessee Valley Railroad. Visitors can
access the library during regular operating hours of 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.
ET, Monday through Friday. The library is closed for major holidays and
occasionally for collection maintenance. If you plan on paying us a visit, we
strongly recommend that you call ahead to avoid any potential problems with
scheduling.

- Chickamauga & Chattanooga National Military Park
Our Thursday train excursion will include a short stop here.
_http://www.nps.gov/chch/index.htm_
(http://www.nps.gov/chch/index.htm)

- Raccoon Mountain Caverns _http://www.raccoonmountain.com/_
(http://www.raccoonmountain.com/)

- Southern Belle Riverboat Cruise
_http://chattanoogariverboat.com/_ (http://chattanoogariverboat.com/)
(Ride our convention luncheon cruise on Friday)

- Minor League Baseball
(See NASG Convention Registration form for a group outing to the
Tuesday night game.)



Other area attractions:

- Hiwassee River Rail Adventure -
_http://www.tvrail.com/pages/hiwassee-loop_ (http://www.tvrail.com/pages/hiwassee-loop)
Enjoy a 50-mile round trip up the beautiful lower Hiwassee River
gorge.
This 3-1/2 hour trip will take you to the top of the famous
"Hiwassee Loop"
where the tracks cross over themselves as they corkscrew up
the mountain
near Farner, Tennessee.
Trains depart from Etoway, Tennessee, which is about an hour's
drive east of Chattanooga.


- Copperhill Special - _http://www.tvrail.com/pages/hiwassee-loop_
(http://www.tvrail.com/pages/hiwassee-loop)
Take an extended excursion through the lower Hiwassee River
Gorge,
over the Hiwassee Loop, and to the joint cities of Copperhill, TN,
and McCaysville, GA. Total 94 miles roundtrip. Lunch on your own
during the layover before returning to Etowah.


- White Water Rafting -
_http://www.questexpeditions.com/chattanooga-whitewater-raft.php_
(http://www.questexpeditions.com/chattanooga-whitewater-raft.php)

Enjoy some of the best white water rafting in the eastern United
States on the Ocoee River, east of Chattanooga




For more Chattanooga visitor attractions, visit this website.
_http://www.chattanoogafun.com/_ (http://www.chattanoogafun.com/)

Plan your trip to visit other sites of interest during your trip to
Chattanooga:

- Layout Open Houses - Refer to the NASG Website for information
on open houses at both highrail and scale layouts that may be
convenient to your trip route.

- Space Museum in Huntsville, Alabama
_http://www.rocketcenter.com/mu/overview_ (http://www.rocketcenter.com/mu/overview)

- Nashville Attractions



- The Hermitage - Home of President Andrew Jackson.
_www.thehermitage.com/_ (http://www.thehermitage.com/)

- Opryland Hotel/Grand Ole Opry - _www.opry.com/_
(http://www.opry.com/)
_www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylord-opryland/_
(http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylord-opryland/)

- Country Music Hall of Fame - _http://countrymusichalloffame.org/_
(http://countrymusichalloffame.org/)
This is now a state of the art museum. Plan a minimum of 2 hours,
probably more. Plan ahead for ordering your tickets and for special
tours.

- Cheekwood Botanical Gardens and Museum of Art -
_http://www.cheekwood.org/_ (http://www.cheekwood.org/)
Closed Mondays. Beautiful estate reminiscent of the Biltmore
though on a much smaller scale, but still very impressive.
Plan lunch at the moderately priced Pineapple Room Restaurant.


- Great Smoky Mountains National Park / Gatlinburg
This is our most visited national park. Located about 2 1/2 hours from
Chattanooga. I recommend entering through Maryville and Townsend, TN to
avoid the crowds in Pigeon Forge and Gatlinburg.
I recommend two special drives:
Loop through Cades Cove, which is entered near the entrance from Townsend,
TN. Go slow and enjoy the scenery and wildlife.
U.S. 441 Highway between Gatlinburg, TN and Cherokee, NC. This is one of
the most beautiful and impressive drives in all of North America. From
Cades Coves, you can access the Tennessee end of this drive without traveling
through Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge.
Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge on the Tennessee side of the park are usually
crowded and have a lot of junky tourist attractions, though many families
enjoy visiting there, especially Dollywood. Attendance was way down during
the summer of 2011 due to the economy.
Asheville and The Biltmore - A perfect stopover going to or from the
Great Smoky Mountains National Park.

We hope to see you at the NASG in Chattanooga, August 7-11. Start
planning now!
- Earl Henry, Nashville Bob Hogan, Madison,
Georgia

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69528 From: Timboy Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: Re: S trains- Traders Why?
Seems reasonable.

-Tim

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <djdewey@...> wrote:
>
> Bill & all
> I am posting this to the group because it might be a valuable discussion.
> You are correct that the title of your new group is more in keeping with
> the titles of both S-trains/S-scale groups, so might be easier for others to
> find. Since marketing is important, maybe the "Available. . ." group could
> be renamed or folded into your group. What say we folks?
> S'
> David D.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69529 From: bcgsteam Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: S Gauge on "The Rail Channel"
A portion of the DVD featuring my BC&G layout is currently available for viewing on The Rail Channel (www.therailchannel.com). You have to put up with a couple of commercials but follow the directions on the site carefully and you can find it. Since someone decided to start the clip starts in the middle of the DVD, the portion explaining that the layout is built in S gauge unfortunately is omitted! Since the video was made, a lot of trees have been added but still the clip captures the look of my layout well..and the great running and sounding SHS Consolidations steal the show. The full DVD is available commercially through A&R Productions and on my website, www.buffalocreekandgauley.com. I don't know who posted on The Rail Channel but it's nice they did. Check it out! Brooks
Group: S-Trains Message: 69530 From: Bob Date: 4/30/2012
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Spring Issue
Good evening, all.

It's been a little while since my last update. April down my way was...interesting (that's the nicest thing I can write).

The Spring issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine was supposed to come out today, but due to a couple of "interesting" events, it will be delayed around a week. I hope to be able to at least post the cover and the table of contents on the website (www.1-64ModelingGuide.com) later tonight or tomorrow.

At the risk of being annoying, if you have received a renewal notice please send your payment in as soon as possible. Cash is really tight. How tight? It's so tight that when I opened up my wallet this afternoon my checkbook started laughing! That's how tight, and that's no joke.

There are three things I need in order to keep publishing: more subscribers, more advertisers (c'mon, folks!), and more submissions.

OK, four things. I also need renewal and advertising payments from last issue to come in as soon as possible.

Every so often, someone on one of these groups posts something like this: "What we need is a magazine that's dedicated is S scale!" Well, we have one (for now). How about supporting it?

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
"The Magazine for the S Scale Model Railroader"
www.1-64ModelingGuide.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 69531 From: Carey Probst Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Re: S trains- Traders Why?
In this case 1 group is better than 2, at least in my opinion.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 4/30/2012 6:24 PM, Timboy wrote:
>
> Seems reasonable.
>
> -Tim
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> <djdewey@...> wrote:
> >
> > Bill & all
> > I am posting this to the group because it might be a valuable
> discussion.
> > You are correct that the title of your new group is more in keeping
> with
> > the titles of both S-trains/S-scale groups, so might be easier for
> others to
> > find. Since marketing is important, maybe the "Available. . ." group
> could
> > be renamed or folded into your group. What say we folks?
> > S'
> > David D.
> >
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69532 From: David Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Parts Update (Advertisement)
By popular demand we have been asked to pay more attention to the steam
engine tender demand for high rail "S". To this end over the next few
months we will be unvailing new parts for the AF tenders that will allow
the "S" kit basher to change the appearance of their tenders.

A NEW TENDER EXTENDER KIT as well as NEW COAL BUNKER TRAYS, hatches,
rear lights, water scoops, stream line fairings and much, much more.

Stay tuned, this will be the year to cut up your old AF plastic tenders
to make tenders you never dreamed you could have.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69533 From: Roy Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Re: S Scale Train Supplies
Adrian,

I case I missed your posts, there are two other S scale lists that would be very interested to see this message. They're at:

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sn3

I'm a member of both groups and would be happy to convey your message to them if you are not a member, although I would recommend that you join them as a source of business for you.

Roy Hoffman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie" <railroads@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone.
>
>
> Want to bring to your attention the huge range of S scale items now available at www.phillipsmodels.co.nz.
>
>
> A New Zealand company which has purchased several New Zealand manufacturers and now producing under their own name. Take a look and you will see a wide range of products suitable for S scale.
>
>
> You will see lineside/trackside scenic accessories including: machinery, workshop equipment, livestock (including chooks/chickens!! just what you need), figurines, doors, windows. A lot of these items also suitable for OO/HO layouts. Look at the tools, wide range of brick/stone papers in various scales.
>
>
> Lots of New Zealand Railway rolling stock kitsets, passenger and freight. Take a look at these, you may be talked into NZR modelling!
>
>
> An item that compliments all the other products is the Downloadable buildings. These are in several scales (S N TT OO HO etc) and a wide range of structures, and more coming! Best value for money these are. Download and make up a kit, or several kits. Made using top quality card and you print off the finishing layer, some in brick and other materials. Easy to kitbash to suit your layout and room available.
>
>
> Have just purchased the Railmaster range of S products, and rolling stock, and these will be online soon. Contact Adrian on adrian@... for any enquiries on Railmaster products coming up. Keep a lookout for locomotives coming up also. Got you interested ?
>
>
> There has been a thread running on Yahoo group re what you modelers would like to see modeled. Well let us know, we are in the International market and want to meet your requirements. Go here and let us know loco ideas.
>
> http://www.survs.com/survey/QT7GAIT3JD?utm_source=Phillips%27+Models+Railway+Modelling+Newsletter&utm_campaign=1d250058fe-kitset-survey-2012&utm_medium=email
>
> As you can see we do things right and using the best people for development. Will love to see your input to survey.
>
>
> All contact details also on our web page.
>
>
>
> Dont forget to join our mailing list and Facebook etc see our webpages.
>
>
> Thanks for your ear.
>
>
> Adrian Phillips
>
> Phillips Models
>
> New Zealand
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69534 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Getting ready fo the Spree
Well, we're only days away from the Spring S Spree, this year in Dayton, Ohio. Unfortunately, I got held up with home repairs and other projects and it is far from finished, really not much more than a loop of track. Even more unfortunately, I partially cannibalized last year's layout to put this one together, so there is no going back now! Oops!

However, I will be running all kit bashed and scratch built locos and rolling stock. There's nothing "right out of the box," in fact some came out of a junk box! I'll also be doing a discussion/clinic with Paul Rinehart at Noon Saturday about being creative with Bashing and Building.

Once again, I'm "thinning the herd" of excess items, and will have a seperate table for that. Since I haven't started packing that yet, so I don't know what there will be for sale.

There are often folks around my layout visiting, so don't be shy. I'm the fat guy with the beard. Always good to meet new people and renew old friendships. Hope to see you there.
Stumpy in Ahia (On the other side of the state it is Ohio.) ;-)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69535 From: racin510 Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Wreck Needed
I need an ACG bay window caboose shell in any condition. The part I need is the skirt below the bay window. Any help would be much appreciated. Please contact off list.
Thanks, Rick
Group: S-Trains Message: 69536 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Re: Getting ready fo the Spree
Stumpy..... I might be near Dayton in a few days.... When is it.... Bob Conner

--- On Tue, 5/1/12, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Getting ready fo the Spree
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 2:22 PM



 



Well, we're only days away from the Spring S Spree, this year in Dayton, Ohio. Unfortunately, I got held up with home repairs and other projects and it is far from finished, really not much more than a loop of track. Even more unfortunately, I partially cannibalized last year's layout to put this one together, so there is no going back now! Oops!

However, I will be running all kit bashed and scratch built locos and rolling stock. There's nothing "right out of the box," in fact some came out of a junk box! I'll also be doing a discussion/clinic with Paul Rinehart at Noon Saturday about being creative with Bashing and Building.

Once again, I'm "thinning the herd" of excess items, and will have a seperate table for that. Since I haven't started packing that yet, so I don't know what there will be for sale.

There are often folks around my layout visiting, so don't be shy. I'm the fat guy with the beard. Always good to meet new people and renew old friendships. Hope to see you there.
Stumpy in Ahia (On the other side of the state it is Ohio.) ;-)








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Group: S-Trains Message: 69537 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Lift Bridge Thoughts
Hi All,

I have a walk through built into my layout. It is 27 inches wide. I am getting ready to build a truss bridge across the walk through and am thinking about making it a lift bridge. So far I'm trying to figure out the best way to hinge the bridge on one side so I can just lift it out of the way when I need to get to the inside of the layout. I could always just not hinge the bridge and lift the entire thing out of the way, but I'd like it to swing up if possible. Is there some type of specialty hinge that makes this easier?

Any ideas are greatly appreciated as always!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69538 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Re: Wreck Needed
Hi Rick,
� I have a junker shell. Please email me seccia@...
Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: racin510 <racin510@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:13 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Wreck Needed


 
I need an ACG bay window caboose shell in any condition. The part I need is the skirt below the bay window. Any help would be much appreciated. Please contact off list.
Thanks, Rick




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69539 From: Charlie Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Re: S Scale Train Supplies
Hi Roy

Thanks for the info. Appreciated.

Have done S-Scale and have just now joined Sn3 and awaiting approval from them for my application.

What a wonderful hobby that model railroading is.

Thanks

Charlie

signing for Adrian (busy)


From: Roy
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:36 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Train Supplies



Adrian,

I case I missed your posts, there are two other S scale lists that would be very interested to see this message. They're at:

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sn3

I'm a member of both groups and would be happy to convey your message to them if you are not a member, although I would recommend that you join them as a source of business for you.

Roy Hoffman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie" <railroads@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone.
>
>
> Want to bring to your attention the huge range of S scale items now available at www.phillipsmodels.co.nz.
>
>
> A New Zealand company which has purchased several New Zealand manufacturers and now producing under their own name. Take a look and you will see a wide range of products suitable for S scale.
>
>
> You will see lineside/trackside scenic accessories including: machinery, workshop equipment, livestock (including chooks/chickens!! just what you need), figurines, doors, windows. A lot of these items also suitable for OO/HO layouts. Look at the tools, wide range of brick/stone papers in various scales.
>
>
> Lots of New Zealand Railway rolling stock kitsets, passenger and freight. Take a look at these, you may be talked into NZR modelling!
>
>
> An item that compliments all the other products is the Downloadable buildings. These are in several scales (S N TT OO HO etc) and a wide range of structures, and more coming! Best value for money these are. Download and make up a kit, or several kits. Made using top quality card and you print off the finishing layer, some in brick and other materials. Easy to kitbash to suit your layout and room available.
>
>
> Have just purchased the Railmaster range of S products, and rolling stock, and these will be online soon. Contact Adrian on adrian@... for any enquiries on Railmaster products coming up. Keep a lookout for locomotives coming up also. Got you interested ?
>
>
> There has been a thread running on Yahoo group re what you modelers would like to see modeled. Well let us know, we are in the International market and want to meet your requirements. Go here and let us know loco ideas.
>
> http://www.survs.com/survey/QT7GAIT3JD?utm_source=Phillips%27+Models+Railway+Modelling+Newsletter&utm_campaign=1d250058fe-kitset-survey-2012&utm_medium=email
>
> As you can see we do things right and using the best people for development. Will love to see your input to survey.
>
>
> All contact details also on our web page.
>
>
>
> Dont forget to join our mailing list and Facebook etc see our webpages.
>
>
> Thanks for your ear.
>
>
> Adrian Phillips
>
> Phillips Models
>
> New Zealand
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69540 From: Paul Date: 5/1/2012
Subject: Re: Getting ready fo the Spree
we be in trouble if I come visit you, I am the fat guy with the beard. paul
ps: mine is thin and doesn't dhow well in white, also was just trimmed
close, so we be ok> p


On 5/1/2012 2:22 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
>
> Well, we're only days away from the Spring S Spree, this year in
> Dayton, Ohio. Unfortunately, I got held up with home repairs and other
> projects and it is far from finished, really not much more than a loop
> of track. Even more unfortunately, I partially cannibalized last
> year's layout to put this one together, so there is no going back now!
> Oops!
>
> However, I will be running all kit bashed and scratch built locos and
> rolling stock. There's nothing "right out of the box," in fact some
> came out of a junk box! I'll also be doing a discussion/clinic with
> Paul Rinehart at Noon Saturday about being creative with Bashing and
> Building.
>
> Once again, I'm "thinning the herd" of excess items, and will have a
> seperate table for that. Since I haven't started packing that yet, so
> I don't know what there will be for sale.
>
> There are often folks around my layout visiting, so don't be shy. I'm
> the fat guy with the beard. Always good to meet new people and renew
> old friendships. Hope to see you there.
> Stumpy in Ahia (On the other side of the state it is Ohio.) ;-)
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69541 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Parts Update (Advertisement)
Sounds good to me.  I hope there's plans for stream lined sides for the 320 series Hudsons to go with the Dreyfuss J3a boiler front 
Neil




















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Group: S-Trains Message: 69542 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Oddball device in engines
A guy brought in a batch of Gilbert Flyer engines he had inherited. They all have an odd looking device in the place of the e-unit and none of them run on either AC or DC. It looks kinda like a barrel, about an inch tall and half inch in diameter. A bolt runs down the middle to mount it in the engine. Wires are soldered to five contact arms that stick out one side.

Can anyone tell me what it is and how to make these engines run?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69543 From: Rich Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Thoughts
David - yes and no, in terms of the hinge. At the NASG show in Sacramento last July, the AF club from the Los Angeles area had a hinged bridge that was simply the AF 754 double track trestle bridge with a pair of cabinet-type hinges at one end. I just flipped through my photos from the show and I didn't take a picture (rats). The main point of the hinge is to have the hinge pivot above the top of the rails - my vague recollection is that theirs was mounted so the hinge point was about 3/4 inch above the bridge deck. So as the hinge opens up, the top of the rails pull apart as the bridge is lifted at the other end.

The hinge they used (based on a hopefully not-to-foggy memory) was a 'cabinet' hinge (not self closing) where one hinge leaf is straight - say about 2 or 3 inches long - that would mount vertically on the end of your table opening (or a block attached at that location). The other leaf is L-shaped, where each segment of the L is about 3/4 inch long. The horizontal portion of the L is mounted to the bridge deck. It seems to me you could do the same thing with a simple hinge and a couple of wooden blocks mounted on top of the table and on top of the bridge deck, respectively. The hinge would then screw into the top of the blocks (hinge open when the bridge is down) or into the sides of each block (hinge closed on itself when the bridge is down). Again the main point is to have the pivot point above the top of the rails.

You'd have to make sure the bridge is 'self-aligning' of course so when it is down the track ends at the lifted side meet. I don't remember what the LA folks did - but I would think a couple of pins and alignment holes would do the trick.

One thing I was surprised that the LA folks did not do (I think this was the case, but I might be mis-remembering) was to have a dead block on either side of the bridge so that when it was up, no train could run off the bridge. A simple matter of a micro-switch for each track pair I would think.

Hope that helps - I may have one of the hinges I tried to describe out in one of my boxes of junque in the garage. If you email me off list, I can send you a picture if that helps further...

Good luck - post some pictures when you are done.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a walk through built into my layout. It is 27 inches wide. I am getting ready to build a truss bridge across the walk through and am thinking about making it a lift bridge. So far I'm trying to figure out the best way to hinge the bridge on one side so I can just lift it out of the way when I need to get to the inside of the layout. I could always just not hinge the bridge and lift the entire thing out of the way, but I'd like it to swing up if possible. Is there some type of specialty hinge that makes this easier?
>
> Any ideas are greatly appreciated as always!
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69544 From: D. Winslow Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Thoughts
From: "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>

Hi All,

I have a walk through built into my layout. It is
27 inches wide. I am getting ready to build a
truss bridge across the walk through and am
thinking about making it a lift bridge. So far
I'm trying to figure out the best way to hinge the
bridge on one side so I can just lift it out of
the way when I need to get to the inside of the
layout. I could always just not hinge the bridge
and lift the entire thing out of the way, but I'd
like it to swing up if possible. Is there some
type of specialty hinge that makes this easier?

Any ideas are greatly appreciated as always!

David

Hi all, my Dad's layout had 3 bridges as it
circled the cellar and sections had to be
removed to access areas. He had hinges, but there
was enough slop in them to exactly
align the tracks via screws at all 4 corners as I
recall. The hinge pin needs to be above
the surface, same height as top of track, which
make the track on bridge rise straight
up initially and not bind. He could remove hinge
pins and unplug wiring for long
term removal of bridges. The layout would
sometimes go a year without use, so this
was particularly convenient.

Dave W.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69545 From: David Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Photo of the Month ;o) (Advertisement)
To showcase our group members GREAT ABILITY to kit bash AF trains and
make them look better / different than Gilbert intended them to be we
will be featuring a new loco each month on the opening page of the group
site.

Any modeler that wishes to show off their kit bashed unit to others
please send your photo to dave@...
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/post?postID=ziV1dCOus8rY\
vS61gwdgsBjlMa4ErZtBwNCSIrPnpIE4_BZMPnS9kBONq55qebaIZvByR8zomqzTpK8aY6Eo\
HYdY0Q> and a breif discription of the unit. This should be quite
informative for the group and a lot of fun for the owner of the unit.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69546 From: Leon Bedard Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Thoughts
Well, well...
I'm pondering the same question. My bridge will have to be about 3 ft.
long.
I look forward to the replies you will be receiving.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69547 From: Thorin Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel's Legacy versus DCC
Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) Ladies:

I posted this question March. I still do not have answers to these questions.

If not here, who should I ask? The O Gauge forums are all about which to choose: not what happens if you use switches to change the power supplies.

Thorin

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Thorin Marty <lagthor@...> wrote:

Good morning:
Lionel's new offering are impressive.

My question is simple. Is it safe to have DCC equipped models on the same track when running Lionel's Legacy?

Legacy models on DCC?

DC models on Legacy?

I know DC on DCC is safe if not coreless.

And AC is safe on anything.

Hmm. Three questions, not one.
Thorin
Group: S-Trains Message: 69548 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Thoughts
David, and all--

The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers have just such a lift-up bridge over the entrance to the operating pit on Lookout Junction. I don't have the specs and such (I didn't work on it), but the idea came from an HO friend in Pocatello, Idaho. He published an article in Model Railroader years ago, and sent me his specs and photos. I don't know how to upload all that stuff to a common directory, so, if anyone wants to see the stuff, send me a request off list and I'll forward everything to you. I believe it's about six separate emails that my friend sent to me.

YourS,
John Eichmann, Coordinator
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise
number22@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69549 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: American Flyer prototype lock ons
Hello all. Can anybody identify the attached lock ons? I have been told that they are American Flyer prototype lock ons, produced in very limited quantity in the 50's to fit both S and HO track. I've never seen anything like them in my 40 years of involvement with Gilbert American Flyer S and HO. Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Bruce





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69550 From: David Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: STRIPEING TAPES ;o) (Advertisement)
ARRIVING SOON

We located an American company to provide us with self adhesion
stripeing tapes in WHITE, METALLIC GOLD & METALLIC SILVER in widths of
1/32", 1/16" & 3/16".

Prices should be around $6.50 for 10 foot rolls.

Now you will be able to stripe those pesky running boards with ease and
your tenders no matter how long they are with precision.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69551 From: Al Baker Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Custom PRR N1 2-10-2 Loco
I just created a new Album in the Photos Section with my latest project, a custom PRR N1 2-10-2 Locomotive.

Album name is: Al Baker's Custom PRR N1 2-10-2 Loco (Link below).

The Before photos are as purchased from eBay in early April 2012. It was basically a K5 with custom 2-10-2 chassis (I don't know who did this). I then further modified it (extensively) into a PRR N1. That took a lot of work which doesn't show that much on the outside. Also, it didn't run - maybe because someone was trying to use a DC motor with an e-unit! Now that doesn't make sense to me. But it now runs good.

Then I made a custom tender which turns out to be very similar to the prototype. Obviously I still need to provide side valve gear, which will have to be custom.

Links (hope they work):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/0/list?mode=tn&order=title&start=21&count=20&dir=asc
or:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/543888977/pic/list

Al Baker
Portland, OR
Group: S-Trains Message: 69552 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Lockout Eliminator for can motors & Dallee?
On my layout I used some Gilbert Lockout Eliminators and equivalent 10-ohm resisters to stop Gilbert engines at semaphores, etc.  I understand why they slow down Flyonel engines that have can motors, but don't stop them; is there a higher resistance that will stop them?  Will the same work for S-Helper and American Models engines?  And will it work for Flyonel and Dallee electronic reversing units?


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69553 From: boxcar4willhe Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: American Flyer prototype lock ons
Hi Bruce. There are no attachments there. Can you post pictures to the Photo section. Thanks. Lon W.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hello all. Can anybody identify the attached lock ons? I have been told that they are American Flyer prototype lock ons, produced in very limited quantity in the 50's to fit both S and HO track. I've never seen anything like them in my 40 years of involvement with Gilbert American Flyer S and HO. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69554 From: David Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: 1st MODEL OF THE MONTH COVER PHOTO
We now have our first MODEL OF THE MONTH photo. This kit bashed unit was
produced by Al Baker of Aloha, OR and may been viewed at our groups site
at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/>

Thank you all. Please take a look and enjoy.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69555 From: Lennis Hall Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Lift Bridge Thoughts
I built a couple of bridges for the Golden Spike American Flyer train club (GSAFTC.COM).  They both have regular cabinet hinges mounted on a 3/4 inch piece of wood in order for the bridge to move upward as it opens.  There is a small chain that stops it a little bit past straight up so that it can be left open but not continue on down and smash the bridges that are mounted on it.  On the front end I used metal dowls that go into holes in order to ensure there is proper alignment when the bridge closes.  The track is permanently attached on both ends and on the bridge part in order to keep the tracks aligned.  When disassembled there are eight pieces all together.  In addition to the bridge part, the two ends are complete structures.  Across the bottom I used 2x4's that bolt and hold the two ends together.  In addition there is a place that fits in between the two 2x4's and there are two pieces that provide a ramp on each side of the 2x4's so that
wheel chairs can go through.  Here is a picture and a link to it.  On this occasion we didn't have the two ramps in place.  And the view is from the inside.  I can provide additional pictures later.  We have a train show this weekend and will be using it at that time.  One of the bridges is the same size as our modules.  The other is half the size and built somewhat differently.  It is a little more difficult to assemble, but easier to transport.



http://gsaftc.com/Photos/20100207/DSC04224.JPG

Len



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69556 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: STRIPEING TAPES ;o) (Advertisement)
Dave,

If you can also offer these widths in YELLOW we could use the white and yellow for paved road lane markings, parking lot strips, school crossings, etc etc.

David


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
> ARRIVING SOON
>
> We located an American company to provide us with self adhesion
> stripeing tapes in WHITE, METALLIC GOLD & METALLIC SILVER in widths of
> 1/32", 1/16" & 3/16".
>
> Prices should be around $6.50 for 10 foot rolls.
>
> Now you will be able to stripe those pesky running boards with ease and
> your tenders no matter how long they are with precision.
>
> Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
> 502-292-1872
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69557 From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: American Flyer prototype lock ons
Lon,

I will attempt to do so. Thank you.

Bruce



From: boxcar4willhe
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:23 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Flyer prototype lock ons





Hi Bruce. There are no attachments there. Can you post pictures to the Photo section. Thanks. Lon W.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hello all. Can anybody identify the attached lock ons? I have been told that they are American Flyer prototype lock ons, produced in very limited quantity in the 50's to fit both S and HO track. I've never seen anything like them in my 40 years of involvement with Gilbert American Flyer S and HO. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69558 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: STRIPING TAPES
I have had good luck using the black and white checkerboard stuff they
sell to cover airplanes. Use a sharp knife to cut a narrow strip and you
get center line black and white ---===---===---===---=== . Pick a
square size that matches your memory of the lengths of the white parts.
I used 1/2 inch for N-Scale. 1 inch or larger ought to look good for S.
Use the yellow stripes right against it to indicate no-passing zones.

The metallic tapes will be very handy for some applications as Dave
indicates. I hope there will be an announcement when they are ready to ship.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 5/2/2012 2:47 PM, bull_gator_1 wrote:
> Dave,
>
> If you can also offer these widths in YELLOW we could use the white and yellow for paved road lane markings, parking lot strips, school crossings, etc etc.
>
> David
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69559 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: STRIPEING TAPES ;o) (Advertisement)
If you model in the '50s - white is fine. Jeff Madden

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:47 PM, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Dave,
>
> If you can also offer these widths in YELLOW we could use the white and
> yellow for paved road lane markings, parking lot strips, school crossings,
> etc etc.
>
> David
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
> >
> > ARRIVING SOON
> >
> > We located an American company to provide us with self adhesion
> > stripeing tapes in WHITE, METALLIC GOLD & METALLIC SILVER in widths of
> > 1/32", 1/16" & 3/16".
> >
> > Prices should be around $6.50 for 10 foot rolls.
> >
> > Now you will be able to stripe those pesky running boards with ease and
> > your tenders no matter how long they are with precision.
> >
> > Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > LBR Enterprises,llc
> >
> > 502-292-1872
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69560 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Custom PRR N1 2-10-2 locomotive
Once again, a fine job! I believe you are the leading collector and builder of kit bashed locomotives in S these days. Your prototype knowledge and attention to detail is fabulous, whether restoring someone's prevous project or building your own.
At one time, kit bashing S locomotives was widespread, and there were a lot of guys doing it in the sixties, seventies, and eighties. Sadly, such creativity has been pretty much driven out of S today. There should be a lot of old bashes still around out there, waiting to be found.
Keep up the excellent work!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69561 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: STRIPEING TAPES ;o) (Advertisement)
David,
     We will check on this. I know we can get red.
Dave
 


--- On Wed, 5/2/12, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:


From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: STRIPEING TAPES ;o) (Advertisement)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 2, 2012, 2:47 PM



 



Dave,

If you can also offer these widths in YELLOW we could use the white and yellow for paved road lane markings, parking lot strips, school crossings, etc etc.

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
> ARRIVING SOON
>
> We located an American company to provide us with self adhesion
> stripeing tapes in WHITE, METALLIC GOLD & METALLIC SILVER in widths of
> 1/32", 1/16" & 3/16".
>
> Prices should be around $6.50 for 10 foot rolls.
>
> Now you will be able to stripe those pesky running boards with ease and
> your tenders no matter how long they are with precision.
>
> Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
> 502-292-1872
>
>
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>








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Group: S-Trains Message: 69562 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Thoughts
There are two great bridges that have electric motors with erctor sets one is a
lift bridge with 6 1/2 set and the other is a brscule bridge with the 8 1/2 set
you can download the how to book and buy the parts you want off ebay without
messing up a kit just but the spare stuff for sale, as an ideal for different
bridges


________________________________
From: Lennis Hall <len_hall@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 4:04:21 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Lift Bridge Thoughts

 
I built a couple of bridges for the Golden Spike American Flyer train club
(GSAFTC.COM).  They both have regular cabinet hinges mounted on a 3/4 inch piece
of wood in order for the bridge to move upward as it opens.  There is a small
chain that stops it a little bit past straight up so that it can be left open
but not continue on down and smash the bridges that are mounted on it.  On the
front end I used metal dowls that go into holes in order to ensure there is
proper alignment when the bridge closes.  The track is permanently attached on
both ends and on the bridge part in order to keep the tracks aligned.  When
disassembled there are eight pieces all together.  In addition to the bridge
part, the two ends are complete structures.  Across the bottom I used 2x4's that
bolt and hold the two ends together.  In addition there is a place that fits in
between the two 2x4's and there are two pieces that provide a ramp on each side
of the 2x4's so that
wheel chairs can go through.  Here is a picture and a link to it.  On this
occasion we didn't have the two ramps in place.  And the view is from the
inside.  I can provide additional pictures later.  We have a train show this
weekend and will be using it at that time.  One of the bridges is the same size
as our modules.  The other is half the size and built somewhat differently.  It
is a little more difficult to assemble, but easier to transport.

http://gsaftc.com/Photos/20100207/DSC04224.JPG

Len

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69563 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Custom PRR N1 2-10-2 Loco
Very nice

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: Al Baker <albaker33@...>
Sent: Wed May 02 13:01:55 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Custom PRR N1 2-10-2 Loco




I just created a new Album in the Photos Section with my latest project, a custom PRR N1 2-10-2 Locomotive.

Album name is: Al Baker's Custom PRR N1 2-10-2 Loco (Link below).

The Before photos are as purchased from eBay in early April 2012. It was basically a K5 with custom 2-10-2 chassis (I don't know who did this). I then further modified it (extensively) into a PRR N1. That took a lot of work which doesn't show that much on the outside. Also, it didn't run - maybe because someone was trying to use a DC motor with an e-unit! Now that doesn't make sense to me. But it now runs good.

Then I made a custom tender which turns out to be very similar to the prototype. Obviously I still need to provide side valve gear, which will have to be custom.

Links (hope they work):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/0/list?mode=tn&order=title&start=21&count=20&dir=asc
or:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/543888977/pic/list

Al Baker
Portland, OR





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69564 From: Ben Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Oddball device in engines
What you describe sounds like something I saw in old literature I got from my wife's uncle who ran ACG trains on DC in the 1950s. I found the document and it is called a Nimco reversing rectifier for 12 volts DC. I know you say that you can't get them to run on AC or DC, but the diagram is of a barrel shaped unit, about the size you describe, with five wire leads. A screw goes down the center for mounting to an L bracket or direct.

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> wrote:
>
> A guy brought in a batch of Gilbert Flyer engines he had inherited. They all have an odd looking device in the place of the e-unit and none of them run on either AC or DC. It looks kinda like a barrel, about an inch tall and half inch in diameter. A bolt runs down the middle to mount it in the engine. Wires are soldered to five contact arms that stick out one side.
>
> Can anyone tell me what it is and how to make these engines run?
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69565 From: rhicks308 Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Oddball device in engines
It would be an early bridge rectifier. If it has failed with age, you can easily replace it with any modern bridge. Of course, the engine will only run on DC.

Randall


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> What you describe sounds like something I saw in old literature I got from my wife's uncle who ran ACG trains on DC in the 1950s. I found the document and it is called a Nimco reversing rectifier for 12 volts DC. I know you say that you can't get them to run on AC or DC, but the diagram is of a barrel shaped unit, about the size you describe, with five wire leads. A screw goes down the center for mounting to an L bracket or direct.
>
> Ben
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@> wrote:
> >
> > A guy brought in a batch of Gilbert Flyer engines he had inherited. They all have an odd looking device in the place of the e-unit and none of them run on either AC or DC. It looks kinda like a barrel, about an inch tall and half inch in diameter. A bolt runs down the middle to mount it in the engine. Wires are soldered to five contact arms that stick out one side.
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what it is and how to make these engines run?
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69566 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: NASG 2012 Convention Web Site Update
Good Evening All,

I have worked with Dave Blum to move the NASG 2012 Convention web site
from the original web address, nasg2012.com, to the NASG main web site.
"nasg2012.com" will remain, but it will soon be re-directed to the new
pages on the NASG web site. The Convention link on the NASG web site has
already been updated to go to the new pages.

The Convention pages are now a sub-set of the NASG web site, and can be
directly accessed using this address:

http://www.nasg.org/Convention/

(you can also go to the NASG web site, click on Events, and then on the
link of the Convention's entry)

We have taken this opportunity to get the pages up-to-date with the
absolute latest information we have about the Convention. You will find
registration, vendor, car order, and contest forms on the site. All
forms, except for the Registration one, are interactive, which means you
can fill them out online and then print them, if you find that
convenient. The site also lists all events and tours with the latest
information. Information and links about what all is available in
Chattanooga and surrounding areas can be found as well. Finally, all the
pre- and post-Convention activities that have been announced to these
various mailing lists (many great layouts to visit) have been condensed
into one page (see the "Pre-/Post-Events" page), with several layout photos.

If you have any questions about the convention, please contact Dave Blum
(pikesvillemodels@...). If you have issues with the web site, feel
free to contact me (peter@...).

Enjoy,
- Peter.
(NASG webmaster)


--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
http://nasg.org/
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69567 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel's Legacy versus DCC
It would be interesting to have a demonstration of two locomotives, one
with Legacy and one with DCC, at the NASG Convention as a type of clinic.

I wonder if the right person or persons could be recruited for this?
Ideally the demonstration would be with two identical steam locomotives of high
reputation. I am thinking of an SHS Consolidation or an AM Northern.

It would be neat to witness the two locomotives going through the
exercises. Even better to compare the sounds.

- Earl Henry, Nashville





In a message dated 5/2/2012 11:14:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
lagthor@... writes:




Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) Ladies:

I posted this question March. I still do not have answers to these
questions.

If not here, who should I ask? The O Gauge forums are all about which to
choose: not what happens if you use switches to change the power supplies.

Thorin

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
Thorin Marty <lagthor@...> wrote:

Good morning:
Lionel's new offering are impressive.

My question is simple. Is it safe to have DCC equipped models on the same
track when running Lionel's Legacy?

Legacy models on DCC?

DC models on Legacy?

I know DC on DCC is safe if not coreless.

And AC is safe on anything.

Hmm. Three questions, not one.
Thorin






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69568 From: Jim Armstrong Date: 5/2/2012
Subject: Re: Oddball device in engines
Yeh, these were selenium rectifiers (diodes), in a bridge configuration
to change ac into dc voltage. One plate equals one diode. These days we
silicon diode bridges to accomplish the same thing.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69569 From: Thorin Date: 5/3/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel's Legacy versus DCC
Good morning:
Carl Tuveson answered my questions. And my question only relates to damaging equipment on the same track; not controlling it.

"Thorin,

At this tine using TMCC or Legacy with either DC or DCC may damage the engine.

This may change in the future though at least with the S gauge locos.

Carl"

My layout is DCC. I am not sure what will happen to my SP Cab Forward when Lionel brings it out. (Note I say 'when' not 'if'. The Thorin rumor mill is working overtime.) I like running electronics in their native mode.

Thorin

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Thorin" <lagthor@...> wrote:
>
> Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) Ladies:
>
> I posted this question March. I still do not have answers to these questions.
>
> If not here, who should I ask? The O Gauge forums are all about which to choose: not what happens if you use switches to change the power supplies.
>
> Thorin
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Thorin Marty <lagthor@> wrote:
>
> Good morning:
> Lionel's new offering are impressive.
>
> My question is simple. Is it safe to have DCC equipped models on the same track when running Lionel's Legacy?
>
> Legacy models on DCC?
>
> DC models on Legacy?
>
> I know DC on DCC is safe if not coreless.
>
> And AC is safe on anything.
>
> Hmm. Three questions, not one.
> Thorin
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69570 From: Gene Cimino Date: 5/3/2012
Subject: Re: Custom PRR N1 2-10-2 Loco
Al another Triumph! Just wish I had half your skill. I have the desire and patience, but alas the fingers don't know where to go!

Gene
Group: S-Trains Message: 69571 From: Thorin Date: 5/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Thoughts
Dear David:

As usual I am a few days behind.

The comments are great for the fixed end of the bridge. But what about the other end -- the one that flops?

For a drop bridge I use a piano hinge on the fixed end.

For a lift bridge I use cabinet hinges as described.

In both cases, for the floppy end, I use a door hinge with the pin removed. I take the hinge pin and add a handle to it. Then I shove it in when the bridge is closed. This locks the bridge up, down, left, and right. Alignment is always perfect.

One half of the door hinge is mounted to the bridge and the other is mounted to the layout.

For lift bridges I use a special mounting with the layout half-hinge. It sticks out a little so if the bridge accidentally drops, it stops when it hits the hinge. My current bridge uses this.

Last, I use the layout hinge half to store the pin when the bridge is open. Then I don't lose it.

Good luck!
Thorin

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rich" <richs009@...> wrote:
>
> David - yes and no, in terms of the hinge. At the NASG show in Sacramento last July, the AF club from the Los Angeles area had a hinged bridge that was simply the AF 754 double track trestle bridge with a pair of cabinet-type hinges at one end. I just flipped through my photos from the show and I didn't take a picture (rats). The main point of the hinge is to have the hinge pivot above the top of the rails - my vague recollection is that theirs was mounted so the hinge point was about 3/4 inch above the bridge deck. So as the hinge opens up, the top of the rails pull apart as the bridge is lifted at the other end.
>
> The hinge they used (based on a hopefully not-to-foggy memory) was a 'cabinet' hinge (not self closing) where one hinge leaf is straight - say about 2 or 3 inches long - that would mount vertically on the end of your table opening (or a block attached at that location). The other leaf is L-shaped, where each segment of the L is about 3/4 inch long. The horizontal portion of the L is mounted to the bridge deck. It seems to me you could do the same thing with a simple hinge and a couple of wooden blocks mounted on top of the table and on top of the bridge deck, respectively. The hinge would then screw into the top of the blocks (hinge open when the bridge is down) or into the sides of each block (hinge closed on itself when the bridge is down). Again the main point is to have the pivot point above the top of the rails.
>
> You'd have to make sure the bridge is 'self-aligning' of course so when it is down the track ends at the lifted side meet. I don't remember what the LA folks did - but I would think a couple of pins and alignment holes would do the trick.
>
> One thing I was surprised that the LA folks did not do (I think this was the case, but I might be mis-remembering) was to have a dead block on either side of the bridge so that when it was up, no train could run off the bridge. A simple matter of a micro-switch for each track pair I would think.
>
> Hope that helps - I may have one of the hinges I tried to describe out in one of my boxes of junque in the garage. If you email me off list, I can send you a picture if that helps further...
>
> Good luck - post some pictures when you are done.
>
> - Rich
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have a walk through built into my layout. It is 27 inches wide. I am getting ready to build a truss bridge across the walk through and am thinking about making it a lift bridge. So far I'm trying to figure out the best way to hinge the bridge on one side so I can just lift it out of the way when I need to get to the inside of the layout. I could always just not hinge the bridge and lift the entire thing out of the way, but I'd like it to swing up if possible. Is there some type of specialty hinge that makes this easier?
> >
> > Any ideas are greatly appreciated as always!
> >
> > David
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69572 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/4/2012
Subject: Lift Bridge Article
Hi All,

I have received many comments regarding lift bridges for the layout. I appreciate all the comments posted to the group as well as those sent off-group.

The issue is that I do not want to build a lift bridge with part of the hinge sticking above the layout. John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers, sent me a good article on how to build a lift bridge with the hinge below the layout. The article was written by Wayne Rodderick and John does not think Wayne would mind me posting the article here. I have posted the two page article to the photos section starting here:

http://tiny.cc/495sdw

This is the design I will use for my lift bridge. It is a simple yet elegant solution to the problem of having the lift while hiding the hinge. I'll take some photos as the job progresses.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69573 From: adrian.phillips52 Date: 5/5/2012
Subject: Classic Line Railmaster
For those of you who have yet to hear, Phillips Models has acquired Railmaster, Classic Line and Santa Fe Models from Joe Braye and Allan Cockburn if you need help with the Railmaster products let me know.
We have loaded most of the S Scale Classic Line white metal accessories and H0 Santa Fe Models on line as well, but more will come.
I am still working with Joe on some new developments and will keep you in the loop.
If you have not seen the Accessories we have some great products, livestock, figures, machinery and images are on line
http://www.phillipsmodels.co.nz
Group: S-Trains Message: 69574 From: David Date: 5/5/2012
Subject: STRIPING TAPE UP-DATE (Advertisement)
Our sample of the striping tape that we have mentioned previously
arrived today and we have striped a tender with it. The reults were as
we expected them to be,"just what the doctor ordered". The ease of
application was outstanding, straight lines with no problems and around
corners with the same ease. We recommend applying a clear coat over them
as you would a decal or dry transfer to insure their permanenence.

This striping tape is made of vinyl and is .06 mm +- .0005 mm and comes
in 20 ft. rolls at $2.50 per roll. Metallic Silver & Metallic Gold at
$3.50 per roll which includes shipping.


The sizes we will offer are: 1/32, 1/64, 1/16, 1/8 & 3/16


Colors: Red, White Yellow, Blue, Black, Green (Matte or Gloss)

We will list these at our web site (
http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> ) tomorrow 05-06-2012.
Please allow 5-7 days for delivery.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69575 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/5/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/6/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday May 6, 2012
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
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Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69576 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/5/2012
Subject: The Spring S Spree
Just in the door from the Spring S Spree for 2012. Cindy and I had a great time, and I picked up a few "projects" from under the tables. We managed to "thin the herd" of some of my excess items, and I was real careful not to take home more than "absolutely neccessary."
Cindy was watching especially closely after I took her to a Hooters Thurday evening for supper (she didn't know what a Hooter's restuarant was!) Later, her only comment was "Well, the FOOD was good....."

Back to the Spree...There were plenty of vendors and a great display of excellent modeling on hand. In a seperate large room there were eight layouts operating at all times.

For Cindy and I one of the high points was meeting people I've been e-mailing with for years! Every one of them were great folks just like they are on e-mail and the S Trains group. We really enjoyed meeting and jawing with y'all!

And of course seeing old friends again that we see just this once a year was great. As usual, there was about always someone standing or sitting around the layout "solving the problems of the world." We really didn't straighten anything out but had a good time.

Even my unfinished layout got some comments about what I plan to do, and many good ideas were suggested. I ran LBR "Smoke Cloud" smoke fluid both days and got many good comments and inquiries as to where to get it.

The clinc/discussion of "Kit Bashing and Creating" seemed well received and most of the folks joined in some with there own models. We discussed how things with no relationship to model building can become items to make great models as well.

I want to take this opportunity to thank Bob Guckian and Paul Rinehart for being so helpful over the duration of the show, and all of the Miami Valley club, every one of which worked hard to keep things running smoothly and helping folks out. They were excellent hosts!

Thanks to everyone who put this Spree together, and all of those who participated, it was a great Spree!
Stumpy Stone on the east Coast of Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69577 From: David Date: 5/6/2012
Subject: STRIPING TAPES Typo (Advertisement)
We had a typo in our last up-date for our striping tapes. It should
have read 10 foot rolls not 20 foot rolls. Sorry :o(

Other than that the tapes have been listed at our web site as promised
on the bottom of the page at

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html>

We have included a photo of an AF #342 tender with the metallic silver
1/16 tape applied. SUPER EASE TO APPLY and looks just great.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69578 From: rwferr1 Date: 5/6/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Thoughts
Hi John and all,
If you have any question beyond what is contained in the info John here is offering, I'm a member of the Pocatello club and also of this group. I'll be glad to pass along any additional questions you have.

Incidentally, the Pegram truss we had for many years as our bridge has finally been replaced due to careless individuals who damaged the structure when passing through it. We now have a more damage resistant through girder affair, that, while not as aesthetically pleasing as our former bridge, is much more likely to survive.

Ron Ferrel
Pocatello, Idaho

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "JOHN and CAROL" <number22@...> wrote:
>
> David, and all--
>
> The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers have just such a lift-up bridge over the entrance to the operating pit on Lookout Junction. I don't have the specs and such (I didn't work on it), but the idea came from an HO friend in Pocatello, Idaho. He published an article in Model Railroader years ago, and sent me his specs and photos. I don't know how to upload all that stuff to a common directory, so, if anyone wants to see the stuff, send me a request off list and I'll forward everything to you. I believe it's about six separate emails that my friend sent to me.
>
> YourS,
> John Eichmann, Coordinator
> Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
> Boise
> number22@...
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69579 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/6/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/6/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday May 6, 2012
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
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Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69580 From: Jerry Date: 5/6/2012
Subject: Paint Question
Gents,

I've done a fair amount of painting, but want to get some feedback from
fellow S gaugers.

What is a good match for the original Flyer silver? The kind of silver
used on the streamlined cars. What have you guys used?

Thanks,
Jerry



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69581 From: R G Date: 5/6/2012
Subject: Re: Paint Question
Testors aluminum is not a bad match,



________________________________
From: Jerry <poniaj@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 7:30 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Paint Question


 
Gents,

I've done a fair amount of painting, but want to get some feedback from
fellow S gaugers.

What is a good match for the original Flyer silver? The kind of silver
used on the streamlined cars. What have you guys used?

Thanks,
Jerry

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69582 From: Donald Keil Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Article
Dave 
Is there a way to get this file larger? Our club is looking in to making one for s guage
Don 
dlkeil@...


________________________________
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 8:13 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Lift Bridge Article


 
Hi All,

I have received many comments regarding lift bridges for the layout. I appreciate all the comments posted to the group as well as those sent off-group.

The issue is that I do not want to build a lift bridge with part of the hinge sticking above the layout. John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers, sent me a good article on how to build a lift bridge with the hinge below the layout. The article was written by Wayne Rodderick and John does not think Wayne would mind me posting the article here. I have posted the two page article to the photos section starting here:

http://tiny.cc/495sdw

This is the design I will use for my lift bridge. It is a simple yet elegant solution to the problem of having the lift while hiding the hinge. I'll take some photos as the job progresses.

David




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69583 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Article
Don,

When you are viewing the image on Yahoo, click on the "Original" size
above the image title. You'll see "View: Medium | Large | Original".
Once the large version has loaded, right-click on the image to download
it and save it onto your computer (usually the command is "Save Image
As..."). You can do that for any photos posted on any of the Yahoo
groups. Of course, if the version you see is the largest the person has
uploaded, then there's nothing bigger to see.

By the way, not to be spoil-sport, but it is my understanding that the
magazine owns the article after it is published. Even though the author
may not mind posting a copy of the article, it is the publisher's
permission that must be gained. However, I am not a lawyer, so I may be
way off here.

- Peter.



On 05/07/2012 4:30 am, Donald Keil wrote:
> Dave
> Is there a way to get this file larger? Our club is looking in to making one for s guage
> Don
> dlkeil@...
>

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Houston, Texas

http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69584 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Article
Yeah, a full size scan of both pages into a single PDF would be SUPER!



Ben



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donald Keil
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 4:30 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lift Bridge Article





Dave
Is there a way to get this file larger? Our club is looking in to making one for s guage
Don
dlkeil@... <mailto:dlkeil%40yahoo.com>

________________________________
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@... <mailto:bull_gator_1%40yahoo.com> >
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 8:13 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Lift Bridge Article



Hi All,

I have received many comments regarding lift bridges for the layout. I appreciate all the comments posted to the group as well as those sent off-group.

The issue is that I do not want to build a lift bridge with part of the hinge sticking above the layout. John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers, sent me a good article on how to build a lift bridge with the hinge below the layout. The article was written by Wayne Rodderick and John does not think Wayne would mind me posting the article here. I have posted the two page article to the photos section starting here:

http://tiny.cc/495sdw

This is the design I will use for my lift bridge. It is a simple yet elegant solution to the problem of having the lift while hiding the hinge. I'll take some photos as the job progresses.

David

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69585 From: Carey Probst Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Article
Actually I am unable to open or see the file. I get a blank screen or a
system error message.

Can you repost please?

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 5/7/2012 5:30 AM, Donald Keil wrote:
>
> Dave
> Is there a way to get this file larger? Our club is looking in to
> making one for s guage
> Don
> dlkeil@... <mailto:dlkeil%40yahoo.com>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...
> <mailto:bull_gator_1%40yahoo.com>>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 8:13 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Lift Bridge Article
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have received many comments regarding lift bridges for the layout. I
> appreciate all the comments posted to the group as well as those sent
> off-group.
>
> The issue is that I do not want to build a lift bridge with part of
> the hinge sticking above the layout. John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky
> Mountain Hi-Railers, sent me a good article on how to build a lift
> bridge with the hinge below the layout. The article was written by
> Wayne Rodderick and John does not think Wayne would mind me posting
> the article here. I have posted the two page article to the photos
> section starting here:
>
> http://tiny.cc/495sdw
>
> This is the design I will use for my lift bridge. It is a simple yet
> elegant solution to the problem of having the lift while hiding the
> hinge. I'll take some photos as the job progresses.
>
> David
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69586 From: David Date: 5/7/2012
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69587 From: rm_hirailer Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Article
For those who are having trouble viewing the lift bridge article: send me your address off-list and I will forward all six messages that I received from the bridge's builder. He was very precise in his drawings and description, and I believe those and his photographs will provide you with the information you need.

YourS,
John Eichmann, Coordinator
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise
number22@...
www.rockymountainhirailers.com

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote:
>
> Actually I am unable to open or see the file. I get a blank screen or a
> system error message.
>
> Can you repost please?
>
> Carey
>
> Carey Probst
>
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
>
> S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
>
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
>
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>
>
> On 5/7/2012 5:30 AM, Donald Keil wrote:
> >
> > Dave
> > Is there a way to get this file larger? Our club is looking in to
> > making one for s guage
> > Don
> > dlkeil@... <mailto:dlkeil%40yahoo.com>
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...
> > <mailto:bull_gator_1%40yahoo.com>>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 8:13 PM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Lift Bridge Article
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have received many comments regarding lift bridges for the layout. I
> > appreciate all the comments posted to the group as well as those sent
> > off-group.
> >
> > The issue is that I do not want to build a lift bridge with part of
> > the hinge sticking above the layout. John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky
> > Mountain Hi-Railers, sent me a good article on how to build a lift
> > bridge with the hinge below the layout. The article was written by
> > Wayne Rodderick and John does not think Wayne would mind me posting
> > the article here. I have posted the two page article to the photos
> > section starting here:
> >
> > http://tiny.cc/495sdw
> >
> > This is the design I will use for my lift bridge. It is a simple yet
> > elegant solution to the problem of having the lift while hiding the
> > hinge. I'll take some photos as the job progresses.
> >
> > David
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69588 From: JOHN RUTH Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Lift Bridge
Amen! It woud be appreciated to be able to read the information and not have to
reinvent the project. I have tried enlarging it several times and it just gets
fuzzier.
It looks great! I appreciate it being shared with us. Even information about the
date of the article would be a great help.
Jack

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69589 From: rm_hirailer Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: RMHR Website
S Friends,

At long last, the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers have developed a website, and we invite you to pay us a visit. While we still have some tweaking to do (the photo gallery, for instance), it is sufficiently developed now for the world to see. We hope you enjoy it.

www.rockymountainhirailers.com

YourS,
John Eichmann, Coordinator
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise, ID
www.rockymountainhirailers.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 69590 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: RMHR Website
I enjoyed seeing your layout in operation at the National Train Show in
Sacramento last summer.

And just now I enjoyed watching the video.

Congratulations on the new or updated website.

- Earl Henry, Nashville




In a message dated 5/7/2012 1:51:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
number22@... writes:




S Friends,

At long last, the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers have developed a website, and
we invite you to pay us a visit. While we still have some tweaking to do
(the photo gallery, for instance), it is sufficiently developed now for the
world to see. We hope you enjoy it.

www.rockymountainhirailers.com

YourS,
John Eichmann, Coordinator
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise, ID
www.rockymountainhirailers.com






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69591 From: Carey Probst Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Article
John,

Tried twice to reply to you privately and both times were rejected as spam.

Please send me the information.

Thanks

Carey
>>
>>
>> For those who are having trouble viewing the lift bridge article:
>> send me your address off-list and I will forward all six messages
>> that I received from the bridge's builder. He was very precise in his
>> drawings and description, and I believe those and his photographs
>> will provide you with the information you need.
>>
>> YourS,
>> John Eichmann, Coordinator
>> Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
>> Boise
>> number22@... <mailto:number22%40q.com>
>> www.rockymountainhirailers.com
>>
>> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Actually I am unable to open or see the file. I get a blank screen
>> or a
>> > system error message.
>> >
>> > Can you repost please?
>> >
>> > Carey
>> >
>> > Carey Probst
>> >
>> > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
>> >
>> > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
>> >
>> > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
>> State,
>> >
>> > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>>
>>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69592 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: Paint Question
Jerry,

It took me some time to search the archives, but here is S-Trains Message No. 29107 from January 10, 2004. The author is Mike McConnell of the South Jersey S Gaugers. He posted a story from his newsletter, the Waybill. Click on the link to see what paints are (were) recommended.

>>>
One of our club members recently held a clinic on refinishing American
Flyer at a club meeting. Walt Mumie is considered, in our club, a wizard at
restoring old AF to good operating condition. In his clinic, he shared some
hard-earned notes on using commercially available paints that would closely
match original Flyer colors.

I took his notes, added some of the tips I learned here on the S-List, and
wrote an article for the Waybill (the South Jersey S Gauge club
newsletter). The article is available in PDF format for anyone to download
and print.

Since the S-List files area is almost full - I posted it in another group
file area that you should be able to access. - Click on the following link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Highlights/files/Walt%20Mumies%20Clinic%20Notes.\
pdf


Michael



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69593 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Unsung S Heroes
Dear S Friends,

I asked NASG webmaster Peter Vanvliet to post my club's new website on the NASG clubs page, and told him that we appreciate all the hard work he's been putting in to develop the new look. He thanked me for my comment, and that got me to pondering all the "unsung" S heroes we have out there.

Stop for a moment and think about these folks who often spend an inordinate amount of time sharing and helping others in our hobby. Do we ever thank them? Do we even acknowledge them?

Perhaps we ought to establish an annual "Unsung Heroes" week to pay tribute to these guys and gals for their seemingly unnoticed contributions. If so, I'd propose the week of National S Day (3/16) every year. Since that's gone already, I'll start my own list of heroes now. I do not mean to slight anyone, but these names pop immediately into my mind. Most of them are unpaid, and all share because of their obvious love of the hobby.

A huge Thank You to:

1. Jeff Madden, editor of the NASG Dispatch. What a huge task he has so adroitly performed over these many years. And he's just a nice guy, too. Thanks, Jeff, and thanks to all your Dispatch staff, too!

2. Peter Vanvliet, NASG webmaster. Great job on revamping the site, Peter, and keep it coming!

3. Don Thompson, S Helper Service; Tom Seccia, Triple S; Doug Peck, Port Lines Hobby; Carl Tuveson, modeler extraordinaire! All of these fellows joyfully share their extensive knowledge of the hobby, and all of us have benefitted here on S-Trains.

4. Paul Yorke, whose foresight in creating S-Trains so long ago has woven a literal tapestry of knowledge about S gauging.

5. All of the unnamed newsletter editors and webmasters in all the S clubs around the world. Those of you who are members of clubs know who they are. If you don't, take a look at the club columns written by Charley Taylor (S Gaugian) and Dave Poole (Dispatch). When was the last time you thanked an editor for keeping us all connected? You don't have to take them to lunch (although that would be nice), but a simple WRITTEN thank-you note, along with a request that they PUBLISH it for all to see, would go a long way towards ensuring their continued hard work on your behalf. (Jeff Madden-please publish this in the Dispatch as you have room.)

There are many, many more who tirelessly contribute so much to our enjoyment of the hobby, so think about them and draw up your own list. Then thank them.

YourS (with gratitude),

John Eichmann, Coordinator

(Full disclosure--Editor, the S Say)

Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers

Boise

www.rockymountainhirailers.com


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69594 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: MP-54
Well my Pennsy MP-54 interurban is finally done.
You can see it at:
http://www.tuveson.com/mp54/mp-54.htm

Enjoy,

Carl
Group: S-Trains Message: 69595 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
On May 7, 2012, at 4:42 PM, <carl@...> wrote:

> Well my Pennsy MP-54 interurban is finally done.
> You can see it at:
> http://www.tuveson.com/mp54/mp-54.htm
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Carl
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69596 From: Donald Keil Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
Very good job
DON


________________________________
From: "carl@..." <carl@...>
To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 7:42 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] MP-54


 
Well my Pennsy MP-54 interurban is finally done.
You can see it at:
http://www.tuveson.com/mp54/mp-54.htm

Enjoy,

Carl



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69597 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
Very Impressive! And so nicely documented with great photos. I think I
smell a great article coming for Dispatch or S Gaugian, probably both).

- Earl Henry


In a message dated 5/7/2012 6:44:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
carl@... writes:




Well my Pennsy MP-54 interurban is finally done.
You can see it at:
_http://www.tuveson.com/mp54/mp-54.htm_
(http://www.tuveson.com/mp54/mp-54.htm)

Enjoy,

Carl





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69598 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
Once again, you've proved to be a fantastic modeler! Excellent job Carl! It captures the spirit of the heavy Interurban railroading of the past very well.
It was good to finally "meet the legend" at the Spree too. :-)
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69599 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
Punch my ticket, I want to ride that puppy! Beautiful work, Carl. Thanks
for sharing.
Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 5/7/2012 7:42 PM, carl@... wrote:
> Well my Pennsy MP-54 interurban is finally done.
> You can see it at:
> http://www.tuveson.com/mp54/mp-54.htm
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Carl
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69600 From: Al Baker Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
Wow Carl! Absolutely fantastic!! Put me down for the first saleable one off your production line!

Al Baker



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Well my Pennsy MP-54 interurban is finally done.
> You can see it at:
> http://www.tuveson.com/mp54/mp-54.htm
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Carl
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69601 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Info Needed for "Inland Empire S Gauge Assn. of the Pacific Northwes
Hi All,

The NASG web site has this Washington state club listed on the site. I
had mistakenly used a wrong web site address. However, in the process of
trying to find the correct one, I discovered that the contact e-mail we
have for that club "bounced". If any one has any information about this
club, please let me know.

Thank you for any help,
- Peter.
(NASG webmaster)

--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

http://pmrr.org/ (my model railroad - RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
http://fourthray.com/ (my company)
http://houstonsgaugers.org/ (model railroad club)
http://nasg.org/
--


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69602 From: Michael Rector Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
Wow Great job.

Mike



________________________________
From: "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MP-54


 


On May 7, 2012, at 4:42 PM, <carl@...> wrote:

> Well my Pennsy MP-54 interurban is finally done.
> You can see it at:
> http://www.tuveson.com/mp54/mp-54.htm
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Carl
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69603 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 5/7/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
Carl,
Now you need to install overhead>


________________________________
From: "carl@..." <carl@...>
To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 7:42 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] MP-54


 
Well my Pennsy MP-54 interurban is finally done.
You can see it at:
http://www.tuveson.com/mp54/mp-54.htm

Enjoy,

Carl



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69604 From: wjchadbourne Date: 5/8/2012
Subject: Re: Info Needed for "Inland Empire S Gauge Assn. of the Pacific Nort
Hi Peter,
I am the Ticketmaster (Treasurer) of the Inland Pacific S Gaugers
Association of the Pacific Northwest and I will be happy to help any way
I can. You can contact me directly at wjchadbourne@... or
phone me at 248-245-3963. We have members in our club from the states
of Washington, Idaho, and Montana and have our layout located in the
beautiful city of Spokane, Washington. If you are trying to reach Jon
Kettner, our Webmaster, he has recently changed his email address. I
don't know if he wants to publish his email address to this forum, as I
have not talked to him about that, so please send me your email address
and I will be glad to send you his new one.
Warren (Bud) Chadbourne
Group: S-Trains Message: 69605 From: Ed Date: 5/8/2012
Subject: Re: MP-54
>JFrederick Roberts wrote:
> Carl,
> Now you need to install overhead>

> Well my Pennsy MP-54 interurban is finally done.
> You can see it
> Carl

Carl....Besides the catenary, you might consider adding the windshield wiper. That part is available in S scale from BTS. Very nice model. Ed L.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69606 From: Robert Date: 5/8/2012
Subject: S scale vehicles
I found this site that has a lot of vehicles in 1:64 scale. There are muscle cars etc even 18 wheelers. If this has been posted before please accept my apologies



http://www.diecastbymail.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=IOC&Category_Code=mov
Group: S-Trains Message: 69607 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/8/2012
Subject: Re: S scale vehicles
These guys are good too!! Yes I'm related. Mike in Ore
_Welcome to Collectable Diecast Inc. - Diecast Model Cars at great
prices!_ (http://www.collectablediecast.com/)

In a message dated 5/8/2012 5:35:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
danceswithwolves49@... writes:





I found this site that has a lot of vehicles in 1:64 scale. There are
muscle cars etc even 18 wheelers. If this has been posted before please accept
my apologies

_http://www.diecastbymail.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=IOC&Ca
tegory_Code=mov_
(http://www.diecastbymail.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=IOC&Category_Code=mov)






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69608 From: bedard_leon Date: 5/9/2012
Subject: AF 695 Reverse Loop Relay
24 hours ago
DeleteEdit


Hi,

Please excuse me but here are some stupid questions.

I've been trying for a while to hook up an AF 695 Reverse Loop Relay with little success.

I've tested it and the plunger does move in and out correctly when hooked directly to the transfo.

Then, when connected to the loop carefully following instructions, I thought the relay would flip the switch by itself when the loco goes around the loop: alas, it does not.

Am I completely wrong here ?

Or, do I have, in addition, to connect the remote switch control (I suppose it could a manual control) and flip the switch when the loco enters the loop ?

Thank you.


Noel53
Group: S-Trains Message: 69609 From: R G Date: 5/9/2012
Subject: Re: AF 695 Reverse Loop Relay
I do not have the reversing loop relay you are speaking of but based on the instructions and how I read it, when you throw the switch it causes the polarity to reverse, this is the opposite from what you believe.  You could add the pressure trip  to throw the switch automatically but these can be finicky.



________________________________
From: bedard_leon <leon.bedard@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 11:21 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF 695 Reverse Loop Relay


 

24 hours ago
DeleteEdit


Hi,

Please excuse me but here are some stupid questions.

I've been trying for a while to hook up an AF 695 Reverse Loop Relay with little success.

I've tested it and the plunger does move in and out correctly when hooked directly to the transfo.

Then, when connected to the loop carefully following instructions, I thought the relay would flip the switch by itself when the loco goes around the loop: alas, it does not.

Am I completely wrong here ?

Or, do I have, in addition, to connect the remote switch control (I suppose it could a manual control) and flip the switch when the loco enters the loop ?

Thank you.


Noel53




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69610 From: sioneli80 Date: 5/9/2012
Subject: Huge Warehouse for S Scale.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69611 From: Rich Date: 5/9/2012
Subject: Re: AF 695 Reverse Loop Relay
Based on my read of the 695 instruction sheet, I agree (I do have one of these relays but have not used it in my layouts). What isn't shown - at least in the diagram that I have in the K-line book - is the normal four wires to the remote control switch from the switch controller. For the switch to function normally (i.e., the operator toggles the switch control lever), this wiring needs to be there. What the 695 does is use the momentary voltages on either the red or green wires leading from the switch to additionally switch the solenoid in the 695 relay - thereby switching the AC "polarity" (its really the AC "hot" vs the "common"). The 695 is basically just a double pole double throw switch that is triggered by the operator changing the track switch position.

As noted, one could set up other track trips or better (in my view) an IR led sensor pair to throw the track switch for you. But that's a separate project.

- Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:
>
> I do not have the reversing loop relay you are speaking of but based on the instructions and how I read it, when you throw the switch it causes the polarity to reverse, this is the opposite from what you believe.  You could add the pressure trip  to throw the switch automatically but these can be finicky.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bedard_leon <leon.bedard@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 11:21 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 695 Reverse Loop Relay
>
>
>  
>
> 24 hours ago
> DeleteEdit
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Please excuse me but here are some stupid questions.
>
> I've been trying for a while to hook up an AF 695 Reverse Loop Relay with little success.
>
> I've tested it and the plunger does move in and out correctly when hooked directly to the transfo.
>
> Then, when connected to the loop carefully following instructions, I thought the relay would flip the switch by itself when the loco goes around the loop: alas, it does not.
>
> Am I completely wrong here ?
>
> Or, do I have, in addition, to connect the remote switch control (I suppose it could a manual control) and flip the switch when the loco enters the loop ?
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> Noel53
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69612 From: Rich Date: 5/9/2012
Subject: lift bridge hinge - another thought
David - I've been painting my kitchen (ooogh) and while putting the doors back on the cabinets, it occurs to me that the Euro-style hinges might work as hinges for a lift bridge that would have the advantage of being mounted below the bridge/table surface. These are the type of hinge used for the Euro-style cabinets - i.e., those without face frames. These hinges - or at least the ones I have - actually have two hinge points, one of which moves 'out' as the door is opened. This outward motion would pull the track joint apart as well as let the movable section pivot upward.

Having said this, it occurs to me that I have at least two different styles of these hinges in my kitchen and one has an even more complex set of motions as the door is opened. Rummaging around at the local hardware store might provide some additional insight.

- Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 69613 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 5/10/2012
Subject: Re: lift bridge hinge - another thought
Rich wrote:
... it occurs to me that the Euro-style hinges might work as hinges for a lift bridge...


A potential benefit of these hinges after they are installed is the ability to adjust them in several directions for a good fit.  

If you live near an IKEA store, they have them available and their prices are usually pretty good.  They use them in all their kitchen cabinets.

Mike Andrzejewski





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69614 From: Lynn Ray Date: 5/10/2012
Subject: Re: lift bridge hinge - another thought
I would be careful with the "Euro" style cabinet hinges.  Some versions are weak and can break at the hinge point.  Installation requires a metric forstner drill bit and jig to ensure proper alignment.  I worked maintenance on apartments that used these hinges.  They were much more troublesome that regular cabinet hinges.  Due to the weight involved, the risk of being bumped, and the need for alignment I think I would prefer a heavier duty hinge.  My preference would be a 4" door hinge.  Using a loose pin version on the end that raises would ensure alignment when closed.

Lynn Ray


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69615 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 5/10/2012
Subject: Re: lift bridge hinge - another thought
I agree that installing Euro hinges from scratch can be somewhat challenging, but they can be a viable option if you want to have a hidden hinge that lifts the bridge up.  As far as reliability goes, I've used over a hundred of the hinges from IKEA, some on cabinet doors as large as 5 feet high and some with heavy glass inserts, and I have had no trouble whatsoever.  The ones sold by IKEA are manufactured by Blum, a well known name for these hinges.   As long as you stick with a quality name hinge I don't see why they wouldn't work.  If there is some concern about carrying the weight, you can always use two - they usually are sold in pairs anyway.

Mike Andrzejewski  


________________________________
From: Lynn Ray <lynnshouse2000@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:27 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: lift bridge hinge - another thought


 
I would be careful with the "Euro" style cabinet hinges.  Some versions are weak and can break at the hinge point.  Installation requires a metric forstner drill bit and jig to ensure proper alignment.  I worked maintenance on apartments that used these hinges.  They were much more troublesome that regular cabinet hinges.  Due to the weight involved, the risk of being bumped, and the need for alignment I think I would prefer a heavier duty hinge.  My preference would be a 4" door hinge.  Using a loose pin version on the end that raises would ensure alignment when closed.

Lynn Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69616 From: mike boyd Date: 5/11/2012
Subject: Re: lift bridge hinge - another thought
Most of this style hinge require a 35mm Forstner style drill bit. Cuts a flat bottom hole. Ebay has several kits with a locating template for 13.00 or so plus shipping. Good idea.

--- On Thu, 5/10/12, Mike Andrzejewski <mike_a_2001@...> wrote:


From: Mike Andrzejewski <mike_a_2001@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: lift bridge hinge - another thought
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, May 10, 2012, 5:19 PM


I agree that installing Euro hinges from scratch can be somewhat challenging, but they can be a viable option if you want to have a hidden hinge that lifts the bridge up.  As far as reliability goes, I've used over a hundred of the hinges from IKEA, some on cabinet doors as large as 5 feet high and some with heavy glass inserts, and I have had no trouble whatsoever.  The ones sold by IKEA are manufactured by Blum, a well known name for these hinges.   As long as you stick with a quality name hinge I don't see why they wouldn't work.  If there is some concern about carrying the weight, you can always use two - they usually are sold in pairs anyway.

Mike Andrzejewski  


________________________________
From: Lynn Ray <lynnshouse2000@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:27 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: lift bridge hinge - another thought


 
I would be careful with the "Euro" style cabinet hinges.  Some versions are weak and can break at the hinge point.  Installation requires a metric forstner drill bit and jig to ensure proper alignment.  I worked maintenance on apartments that used these hinges.  They were much more troublesome that regular cabinet hinges.  Due to the weight involved, the risk of being bumped, and the need for alignment I think I would prefer a heavier duty hinge.  My preference would be a 4" door hinge.  Using a loose pin version on the end that raises would ensure alignment when closed.

Lynn Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69617 From: David Date: 5/11/2012
Subject: AF #290 Cab Extender (Advertisement)
We now have a new kit #EAC51112-1 EXTEND-A-CAB. This fitting allows you
to extend the floor area of the AF #290 PACIFIC cab which allows you to
use our #PAHUS4WT four wheel trailing truck under the engine with out it
looking out of place.

This has a stunning affect in the appearance of the engine and tender
unit.

The installation is really quite easy: 1. Tap the exhisting holes where
a towing strap would be placed with a 4:40 tap. 2. Trim the off set area
in the fitting with a small file for a final fit. 3. Using the 4:40
screws furnished with the kit attach the fitting to the engine. That's
all it takes to install.

To view or purchase please use the link below:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html>

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69618 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/11/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
This week’s good news is that our spray masks have been transferred to the new builder. Just a few more loose ends need to be secured for the move to be completed. We are hoping to see our tooling used again and product sometime in 2013.

We had a very good York. Mike has decided to extend the York sale to our friends on the S Yahoo e-groups and our SHS club. So, for the rest of the month, you can get any 4 SHS freight cars for $100. This includes our extended vision cabooses too. The only thing not included is the track cleaning cars. The B1G14F sale (Buy 1 Get 1 for Free) on switchers, NW2s and SW8s will continue. DCC or LM sound is an extra $100 per unit. Like our SW1 and SW9, these will all be gone shortly. You can find these items on our current order form at:

http://showcaseline.com/updates/V24N1-1OF.pdf

I think all of the back orders have been shipped except our remote control switches. They are the last product of ours still at Sanda Kan. Before they can be shipped, they all need to be tested. We hope to see these later in the summer. You can still order these and once they arrive, they will be shipped.

If you have a repair with us I want to apologies for any delays. Our good friend and repair guy, Bill broke his leg here while Robin and I were in Florida. I had dinner with him on Wednesday, and he is in good spirits and hopes to return on a limited basis in June. Maybe he will be here for our Open House on June 8th.

I have been buys installing Tsunami sound in our SW1s. We found a round baffle that we can modify and install into any of our SW1s. This adds a little time to the installation, so the price had to be increased. The cost to install DCC Tsunami sound in our SW1s is $199.95. This includes the speaker, custom modified baffle and programming. We should have all of the DCC sound upgrades on the website before too long.

Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 69619 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 5/11/2012
Subject: scratch built shay
I was going thru some old S GAUGIAN mags. and found a article to build a scratch
build s gauge shay, it is 1994 March/April issue hope it helps.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69624 From: John & Maria Harvey Date: 5/12/2012
Subject: AF - S gauge in Akron / Cleveland Area
Dear All,

I shall be in the Akron / Cleveland, Ohio area for two weeks in June.
Are there any shops / dealers in that area that have AF or S Gauge?

Thanks,
John Harvey
Group: S-Trains Message: 69625 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 5/12/2012
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge Thoughts
Hi:
Thanks for offer. I guess I would like to see some close-up photos of
both ends of the bridge (hinge portion, and the locking portion). Maybe
someone could do an article on exactly what went into it, and how it was
done.
Tx
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 5/6/2012 23:34, rwferr1 wrote:
>
> Hi John and all,
> If you have any question beyond what is contained in the info John
> here is offering, I'm a member of the Pocatello club and also of this
> group. I'll be glad to pass along any additional questions you have.
>
> Incidentally, the Pegram truss we had for many years as our bridge has
> finally been replaced due to careless individuals who damaged the
> structure when passing through it. We now have a more damage resistant
> through girder affair, that, while not as aesthetically pleasing as
> our former bridge, is much more likely to survive.
>
> Ron Ferrel
> Pocatello, Idaho
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "JOHN and CAROL" <number22@...> wrote:
> >
> > David, and all--
> >
> > The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers have just such a lift-up bridge over
> the entrance to the operating pit on Lookout Junction. I don't have
> the specs and such (I didn't work on it), but the idea came from an HO
> friend in Pocatello, Idaho. He published an article in Model
> Railroader years ago, and sent me his specs and photos. I don't know
> how to upload all that stuff to a common directory, so, if anyone
> wants to see the stuff, send me a request off list and I'll forward
> everything to you. I believe it's about six separate emails that my
> friend sent to me.
> >
> > YourS,
> > John Eichmann, Coordinator
> > Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
> > Boise
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69626 From: Michael Rector Date: 5/12/2012
Subject: Re: AF - S gauge in Akron / Cleveland Area
There is a train shop in Medina on the square that does have an S section.



________________________________
From: John & Maria Harvey <scottishshop@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 3:27 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF - S gauge in Akron / Cleveland Area


 
Dear All,

I shall be in the Akron / Cleveland, Ohio area for two weeks in June.
Are there any shops / dealers in that area that have AF or S Gauge?

Thanks,
John Harvey



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69627 From: Brady Date: 5/12/2012
Subject: Passenger Train Operations
I was reading through the MR Special issue "How to Operate your Model Railroad" and the articles on passenger train operations caught my attention. Operations like:

- Making up and splitting/breaking down passenger trains

- Head end cars, RPO, REA

- Servicing diners

- Motive power changes

- Commuter trains


I've read other articles and books on operations, but not since I switched back to Flyer. It strikes me that with three different types of passenger cars, operating RPO and Express cars, a variety of motive power and several supporting accessories you could simulate a lot of passenger ops.

Most of us probably operate a lot of freight with a passenger train or two, but I think you could do a lot by reversing that mix.

Thoughts?


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 69628 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/12/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/13/2012, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69629 From: adrian.phillips52 Date: 5/12/2012
Subject: Containers
Hi we make S 1/64th containers and would like to know what gaps we might
fill in what we make, 10 foot Refrigerated and Non-Refrigerated, 20 foot
and 40 foot and now will add a white metal 10 foot more detailed
container alongside our resin offerings. What other containers might
modelers want? [:-?] Love to hear from anyone ideas keep my team happy
[:)]


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69630 From: johntech Date: 5/13/2012
Subject: Re: Containers
Hi Adrian

Where can we see what you are offering? I have a couple containers with the cars to handle them
I have a round tank like container with a tubular frame around it to fit in the container car.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: adrian.phillips52
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:20 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Containers



Hi we make S 1/64th containers and would like to know what gaps we might
fill in what we make, 10 foot Refrigerated and Non-Refrigerated, 20 foot
and 40 foot and now will add a white metal 10 foot more detailed
container alongside our resin offerings. What other containers might
modelers want? [:-?] Love to hear from anyone ideas keep my team happy
[:)]

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69631 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/13/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
Hi Brady,

I know folks who have regular operating schedules. These enthusiasts
have a great time and are always looking for new recruits as well as
operating challenges. Getting the railroad and equipment running well
enough to not interfere with the goals of the session is certainly wise.
The interactions with the other operators can be enjoyable social
contact. Planning the schedule and establishing good communication
methods appeals to the operators and dispatchers. The whole operations
part of the hobby has strong appeal to many good folks. I am not one of
them. To me, it is a bit like playing contract bridge. If I am going to
work that hard, I want to be paid for it.

That being said, if you find out some interesting information about
passenger operations, please share with us. Sometimes the operations or
the layout requirements that support them have broader appeal that to
strict operators. It would add to my pleasure to have a passenger
terminal and service facility that could be operated.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 5/12/2012 1:49 PM, Brady wrote:
> I was reading through the MR Special issue "How to Operate your Model Railroad" and the articles on passenger train operations caught my attention. Operations like:
>
> - Making up and splitting/breaking down passenger trains
>
> - Head end cars, RPO, REA
>
> - Servicing diners
>
> - Motive power changes
>
> - Commuter trains
>
>
> I've read other articles and books on operations, but not since I switched back to Flyer. It strikes me that with three different types of passenger cars, operating RPO and Express cars, a variety of motive power and several supporting accessories you could simulate a lot of passenger ops.
>
> Most of us probably operate a lot of freight with a passenger train or two, but I think you could do a lot by reversing that mix.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> Brady
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69632 From: Larry Moore Date: 5/13/2012
Subject: Mothers Day
Happy Mother's Day to all the wives, that put up with their old grey haired
kids, that still play with trains. Larry



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69633 From: Robert Date: 5/13/2012
Subject: Re: Mothers Day
Larry, gotta disagree with ya on this one buddy lol Carol plays with trains too "sigh" only HO. Doing what I can to get her on the straight and narrow.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote:
>
> Happy Mother's Day to all the wives, that put up with their old grey haired
> kids, that still play with trains. Larry
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69634 From: Carey Probst Date: 5/13/2012
Subject: Re: Mothers Day
That plus we may be old but not grey (as long as I shave, still a blonde)

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 5/13/2012 2:46 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> Larry, gotta disagree with ya on this one buddy lol Carol plays with
> trains too "sigh" only HO. Doing what I can to get her on the straight
> and narrow.
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote:
> >
> > Happy Mother's Day to all the wives, that put up with their old grey
> haired
> > kids, that still play with trains. Larry
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69635 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/13/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/13/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday May 13, 2012
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69636 From: Gale Hall Date: 5/13/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
Good evening,

While a lot of thought goes into moving freight trains on the layout, cars are unloaded and moved out or loaded and moved out..the passenger operations are an endless operation. Whether you start with making up a train or running a train it all comes around full circle...if you are making up a train the cars must have been cleaned and serviced for the run with food, water and ice...mail loaded and the REA shippments have to go somewhere...the train is going to have to be made up somewhere and the passenger engines added and start the run it is going to have to go somewhere either several places on your layout or stop on your layout and either had some of it and the passengers off to another line and your train turns around and runs the route in the other direction, either wye the whole train, but it has to be cleaned, serviced and engines replaced or serviced and made up again. If you operate two trains the the first train is going to have to meet the second train somewhere.. If your schedule is such that a train run time is such that it will not allow enough time to turn the train and head back in the other direction you will need a third set of equipment to operate the first train's schedule going on the return trip to meet and pass your second train in the mean time you are servicing the first set of equipment to make the return trip of your second train..This all takes up a lot of time and room. In looking at this as it was done the passenger operation required a lot of personel to get the job done...like do your job and get out of the way so someone else can do theirs.....One example that stands out in my mind was outlined in a Frigidaire air conditioning handbook...it showed a way to clean the evaporator coil in the AC system and it is usually in the ceiling near the end of the car sometimes over bathrooms or the asile or both. You remove or unhook ceiling panels and let them down to get to the evaporator and then remove some heavy compostion panels to expose the coil and then you use a combination of water and steam to blow the dirt out of the coil...this goes everywhere...mostly to the floor but the coil is clean put it back together and get out of the way so they can come in and clean the floor and walls...then the car can be restocked with expendable items...Now that did not happen every time but it was often....and it was a mess....So when you hear they were down to one passenger train a day in each direction...hmmmm it took a lot to make those two passenger runs and stay on the advertised!

gale hallTo: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Passenger Train Operations



Hi Brady,

I know folks who have regular operating schedules. These enthusiasts
have a great time and are always looking for new recruits as well as
operating challenges. Getting the railroad and equipment running well
enough to not interfere with the goals of the session is certainly wise.
The interactions with the other operators can be enjoyable social
contact. Planning the schedule and establishing good communication
methods appeals to the operators and dispatchers. The whole operations
part of the hobby has strong appeal to many good folks. I am not one of
them. To me, it is a bit like playing contract bridge. If I am going to
work that hard, I want to be paid for it.

That being said, if you find out some interesting information about
passenger operations, please share with us. Sometimes the operations or
the layout requirements that support them have broader appeal that to
strict operators. It would add to my pleasure to have a passenger
terminal and service facility that could be operated.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 5/12/2012 1:49 PM, Brady wrote:
> I was reading through the MR Special issue "How to Operate your Model Railroad" and the articles on passenger train operations caught my attention. Operations like:
>
> - Making up and splitting/breaking down passenger trains
>
> - Head end cars, RPO, REA
>
> - Servicing diners
>
> - Motive power changes
>
> - Commuter trains
>
>
> I've read other articles and books on operations, but not since I switched back to Flyer. It strikes me that with three different types of passenger cars, operating RPO and Express cars, a variety of motive power and several supporting accessories you could simulate a lot of passenger ops.
>
> Most of us probably operate a lot of freight with a passenger train or two, but I think you could do a lot by reversing that mix.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> Brady
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69638 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 5/13/2012
Subject: upper platform for 729a aircraft beacon tower
Hi If anyone has a dark green platform whole or partial they would be willing to sell please message me. Need one for a restoration. Whole is better at least half is goot also. TY Chris
Group: S-Trains Message: 69639 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: AF Rolling Stock Boxes
Hi All,

I have a lot of rolling stock that have no boxes. It looks pretty easy to build boxes out of heavy card stock. Does anyone know the weight (thickness) of the original AF rolling stock boxes?

Thanks,

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69640 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
Dear Robert,
We were sold out of the following. Do you have another two choices? The website as of now has been updated to show out of stock items...

01813 Southern Pacific TOFC #2
01800 Chicago Macaroni Reefer

Don


On May 11, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Robert Graves wrote:

> 01813 Southern Pacific TOFC #2
> 01800 Chicago Macaroni Reefer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69641 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
DON.... ANY MORE BC&G HOPPERS ON SALE????? BOB CONNER

--- On Fri, 5/11/12, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:


From: Don Thompson <don@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
To: "e_group" <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "S Train e-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "e-group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, May 11, 2012, 3:56 PM


This week’s good news is that our spray masks have been transferred to the new builder.  Just a few more loose ends need to be secured for the move to be completed. We are hoping to see our tooling used again and product sometime in 2013.

We had a very good York.  Mike has decided to extend the York sale to our friends on the S Yahoo e-groups and our SHS club.  So, for the rest of the month, you can get any 4 SHS freight cars for $100.  This includes our extended vision cabooses too.  The only thing not included is the track cleaning cars.  The B1G14F sale (Buy 1 Get 1 for Free) on switchers, NW2s and SW8s will continue.  DCC or LM sound is an extra $100 per unit.  Like our SW1 and SW9, these will all be gone shortly.  You can find these items on our current order form at:

http://showcaseline.com/updates/V24N1-1OF.pdf

I think all of the back orders have been shipped except our remote control switches.  They are the last product of ours still at Sanda Kan.  Before they can be shipped, they all need to be tested.  We hope to see these later in the summer.  You can still order these and once they arrive, they will be shipped.

If you have a repair with us I want to apologies for any delays.  Our good friend and repair guy, Bill broke his leg here while Robin and I were in Florida.  I had dinner with him on Wednesday, and he is in good spirits and hopes to return on a limited basis in June.  Maybe he will be here for our Open House on June 8th.

I have been buys installing Tsunami sound in our SW1s.  We found a round baffle that we can modify and install into any of our SW1s.   This adds a little time to the installation, so the price had to be increased.  The cost to install DCC Tsunami sound in our SW1s is $199.95.  This includes the speaker, custom modified baffle and programming.  We should have all of the DCC sound upgrades on the website before too long.

Don       


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69642 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
Dear Bob,
Sorry, my tribute to NMRA Master Modeler Brooks sold out quicker than anyone ever thought...
Don

On May 14, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Robert Conner wrote:

> DON.... ANY MORE BC&G HOPPERS ON SALE????? BOB CONNER
>
> --- On Fri, 5/11/12, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> From: Don Thompson <don@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
> To: "e_group" <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: "S Train e-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "e-group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, May 11, 2012, 3:56 PM
>
> This week�s good news is that our spray masks have been transferred to the new builder. Just a few more loose ends need to be secured for the move to be completed. We are hoping to see our tooling used again and product sometime in 2013.
>
> We had a very good York. Mike has decided to extend the York sale to our friends on the S Yahoo e-groups and our SHS club. So, for the rest of the month, you can get any 4 SHS freight cars for $100. This includes our extended vision cabooses too. The only thing not included is the track cleaning cars. The B1G14F sale (Buy 1 Get 1 for Free) on switchers, NW2s and SW8s will continue. DCC or LM sound is an extra $100 per unit. Like our SW1 and SW9, these will all be gone shortly. You can find these items on our current order form at:
>
> http://showcaseline.com/updates/V24N1-1OF.pdf
>
> I think all of the back orders have been shipped except our remote control switches. They are the last product of ours still at Sanda Kan. Before they can be shipped, they all need to be tested. We hope to see these later in the summer. You can still order these and once they arrive, they will be shipped.
>
> If you have a repair with us I want to apologies for any delays. Our good friend and repair guy, Bill broke his leg here while Robin and I were in Florida. I had dinner with him on Wednesday, and he is in good spirits and hopes to return on a limited basis in June. Maybe he will be here for our Open House on June 8th.
>
> I have been buys installing Tsunami sound in our SW1s. We found a round baffle that we can modify and install into any of our SW1s. This adds a little time to the installation, so the price had to be increased. The cost to install DCC Tsunami sound in our SW1s is $199.95. This includes the speaker, custom modified baffle and programming. We should have all of the DCC sound upgrades on the website before too long.
>
> Don
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69643 From: John McAlonan Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
I'm going to be operating a primarily passenger train centric layout. I'll be using two car commuters, long haul and crack express trains. Right now I'm working on the main terminal end and these suggestions have been great for helping me work out the needed support services. I have two sidings opposite the terminal trackage that will accommodate the seaboard coal loader and the water tower.
Didn't the RPO usually use a part of the terminal and not a separate building? The other thing I guess I'll need is a car washer center - One of the Mark V videos shows the Long Island City yard washing station and it looks pretty easy to model. Too bad my wife doesn't use hair roller thingys, they'd be perfect.
Anyway, thanks for ideas.
Mac
Group: S-Trains Message: 69644 From: rhicks308 Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: AF Rolling Stock Boxes
Why bother to make your own? The boxes made for storing baseball cards are just perfect. The larger size (and I forget how many thousands of cards it's supposed to hold) has five trays and is about 19" long, so you can store two freight cars per slot or ten per box. A local baseball card store sells them for $3.50, so it's very cost effective. And I actually find it's more convenient to handle the larger boxes than the single-car size.

Randall


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a lot of rolling stock that have no boxes. It looks pretty easy to build boxes out of heavy card stock. Does anyone know the weight (thickness) of the original AF rolling stock boxes?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69645 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: AF Rolling Stock Boxes
Reproduction freight car and passenger car boxes are available in red & white, blue & yellow and yellow and blue.  These look exactly like the original boxes anf would be much easier than making boxes. I sell these with my AF parts. Please email me off list seccia@...
                                  Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 9:37 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Rolling Stock Boxes


 
Hi All,

I have a lot of rolling stock that have no boxes. It looks pretty easy to build boxes out of heavy card stock. Does anyone know the weight (thickness) of the original AF rolling stock boxes?

Thanks,

David




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69646 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
Too bad; the reason I was rushing and forgot to change the "to" address in my reply was that I wanted to grab those before they sold.  Oh, well.  Send me the following two instead:

� 02109 Great Northern Rebuilt 40' boxcar #3
� 02110 Great Northern Rebuilt 40' boxcar #4


The website also shows the 00244 SOO Caboose #1 that I ordered as sold out.  Do you have one of those for me?  Or a SOO #2?  If not, send me one of the CB&Q cabooses - either one is ok.


I was looking at the page you referenced in your email announcement, which still says there is one left of each of those cars:
http://showcaseline.com/updates/V24N1-1OF.pdf

It also says the 01810 Reading TOFC #2 is available, but the rolling stock page says all TOFCs are sold out.  If I can get the Reading TOFC, send it to me instead of one of the GN boxcars.

Thanks.

Bob




________________________________
From: Don Thompson <don@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...


 
Dear Robert,
We were sold out of the following. Do you have another two choices? The website as of now has been updated to show out of stock items...

01813 Southern Pacific TOFC #2
01800 Chicago Macaroni Reefer

Don

On May 11, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Robert Graves wrote:

> 01813 Southern Pacific TOFC #2
> 01800 Chicago Macaroni Reefer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69647 From: Robert Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
Don will you eventually have the entire line in production? I sure hope so cause I'd sure like to get some F-units

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> This week's good news is that our spray masks have been transferred to the new builder. Just a few more loose ends need to be secured for the move to be completed. We are hoping to see our tooling used again and product sometime in 2013.
>
> We had a very good York. Mike has decided to extend the York sale to our friends on the S Yahoo e-groups and our SHS club. So, for the rest of the month, you can get any 4 SHS freight cars for $100. This includes our extended vision cabooses too. The only thing not included is the track cleaning cars. The B1G14F sale (Buy 1 Get 1 for Free) on switchers, NW2s and SW8s will continue. DCC or LM sound is an extra $100 per unit. Like our SW1 and SW9, these will all be gone shortly. You can find these items on our current order form at:
>
> http://showcaseline.com/updates/V24N1-1OF.pdf
>
> I think all of the back orders have been shipped except our remote control switches. They are the last product of ours still at Sanda Kan. Before they can be shipped, they all need to be tested. We hope to see these later in the summer. You can still order these and once they arrive, they will be shipped.
>
> If you have a repair with us I want to apologies for any delays. Our good friend and repair guy, Bill broke his leg here while Robin and I were in Florida. I had dinner with him on Wednesday, and he is in good spirits and hopes to return on a limited basis in June. Maybe he will be here for our Open House on June 8th.
>
> I have been buys installing Tsunami sound in our SW1s. We found a round baffle that we can modify and install into any of our SW1s. This adds a little time to the installation, so the price had to be increased. The cost to install DCC Tsunami sound in our SW1s is $199.95. This includes the speaker, custom modified baffle and programming. We should have all of the DCC sound upgrades on the website before too long.
>
> Don
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69648 From: Bob Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Announcement: 1:64 Modeling Guide Spring Issue Is Here!
Good evening. The Spring, 2012 issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide is now available. Subscribers should have had their copy waiting for them in their e-mail inbox this morning.

If you are a subscriber, or think you are a subscriber, and you haven't received this issue (or the prior issue, for that matter) there are only 3 explanations: 1) Your subscription has lapsed and you haven't renewed--check your mail or your refrigerator door; 2) The e-mail address I have for you in the database is no longer valid; 3) I don't have any e-mail address for you--again, check your mail or your refrigerator door, because notices requesting updated information was sent when the winter issue was published. If you're unsure, please send me an e-mail off-list to RLNPublishing@... and put "My Subscription Status" in the subject line.

If your subscription expires with this issue or with the next issue, a renewal notice will be on its way to you sometime this week. Please fill it out and return it with your payment as soon as possible. As a reminder: Visa, MasterCard, Discover & American Express are accepted.

Thanks, as always, for your continued support.

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
www.1-64ModelingGuide.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 69649 From: Robert Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Vehicles
If these have been posted before please accept my apologies. If not then enjoy. I stumbled across these websites that offer 1:64 scale vehicles at fairly reasonable prices. There are cars, pickups, 18 wheelers, farm vehicles, police cars even NASCAR cars of all the drivers so you can build your own NASCAR track. There are even superdetailing parts to make a shop or modify a vehicle as a shop truck.
http://www.policecarmodels.com/164cars.html
http://store.nascar.com/category/index.jsp?categoryId=2056653
http://www.daltonsfarmtoys.com/
http://www.3000toys.com/catalog/products.asp?SCALE=1/64
http://www.actionfarmtoys.com/64carstrucks.htm
Group: S-Trains Message: 69650 From: Jerry Date: 5/14/2012
Subject: Re: AF Rolling Stock Boxes
Hey BG,

Randall is right. I've also found out that in those boxes you can use
foam paper, or that combined with good tissue paper, between two rows of
boxcars (on their sides), and get four boxcars in each of the five slots
for a total of 20 boxcars in the 19" wide box. As Randall said, they're
available reasonably priced at comic book and trading card shops. The
boxes come is all sorts of sizes with 4 or 5 slots. The 12" wide ones
are fine for passenger cars. With four slots, you can get 8 cars in.

I've used these boxes for transporting complete trains to train shows
where my club sets up their display layout. VERY handy!

Happy hunting!
Jerry


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rhicks308" <randallhicks@...> wrote:
>
> Why bother to make your own? The boxes made for storing baseball
cards are just perfect. The larger size (and I forget how many
thousands of cards it's supposed to hold) has five trays and is about
19" long, so you can store two freight cars per slot or ten per box. A
local baseball card store sells them for $3.50, so it's very cost
effective. And I actually find it's more convenient to handle the
larger boxes than the single-car size.
>
> Randall
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" bull_gator_1@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have a lot of rolling stock that have no boxes. It looks pretty
easy to build boxes out of heavy card stock. Does anyone know the
weight (thickness) of the original AF rolling stock boxes?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > David
> >
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69651 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
Dear Robert,
Mike and I hope to see all of our tooling back in production in the future.
Don

On May 14, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Robert wrote:

> Don will you eventually have the entire line in production? I sure hope so cause I'd sure like to get some F-units
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69652 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
It is great to see the discussion on operating. I have been wondering what other members do with their layouts. After reading the John Allen book and John Armstrong track planning book I got the bug to have a purpose for my trains, most of which are passenger trains. (although it is still fun to just watch them run)

There are four stations on my layout, which is just two loops, each with a passing siding. By giving each of the stations a different identity on each 'lap' I can run the PRR Pittsburgh to Beaver Falls, PA commuter schedule. It takes 14 laps to complete one run, after which the train is turned (by hand) and the trip from Beaver Falls back to Pittsburgh is run. I grew up along this line and know all of the stops, which makes it interesting... at least to me. There are no switching operations, but some day, when there is room to build a real layout to replace the ceiling level one there will be.

While running the commuter schedule on one loop, the other loop of track has another passenger or freight train on it, just slowly running. This is simply rolling scenery. I run the 50's schedule with an RS-3 and the 40's schedule with a K5, although it should be a G5s. Building a G5s out of an Atlas 4-4-2 shell and AF running gear is something I am planning for next Winter. This is not sophisticated operations but it is fun and a good evening's entertainment for one operator.

I am very interested to hear what others are doing.

Regards,
Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote:
>
> I was reading through the MR Special issue "How to Operate your Model Railroad" and the articles on passenger train operations caught my attention. Operations like:
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69653 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
Hi Tim,

That is my kind of operation. Do you have any photos or drawings? If you
ever get inspired for more, the ideas in this thread offer incremental
increases in the variety of activity for those passenger trains. I hope
our operations-minded colleagues keep posting.

Bill (simple minded and that's the way I operate)

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 5/15/2012 8:57 AM, tbennerohio wrote:
> It is great to see the discussion on operating. I have been wondering what other members do with their layouts. After reading the John Allen book and John Armstrong track planning book I got the bug to have a purpose for my trains, most of which are passenger trains. (although it is still fun to just watch them run)
>
> There are four stations on my layout, which is just two loops, each with a passing siding. By giving each of the stations a different identity on each 'lap' I can run the PRR Pittsburgh to Beaver Falls, PA commuter schedule. It takes 14 laps to complete one run, after which the train is turned (by hand) and the trip from Beaver Falls back to Pittsburgh is run. I grew up along this line and know all of the stops, which makes it interesting... at least to me. There are no switching operations, but some day, when there is room to build a real layout to replace the ceiling level one there will be.
>
> While running the commuter schedule on one loop, the other loop of track has another passenger or freight train on it, just slowly running. This is simply rolling scenery. I run the 50's schedule with an RS-3 and the 40's schedule with a K5, although it should be a G5s. Building a G5s out of an Atlas 4-4-2 shell and AF running gear is something I am planning for next Winter. This is not sophisticated operations but it is fun and a good evening's entertainment for one operator.
>
> I am very interested to hear what others are doing.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69654 From: piccu56 Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF Rolling Stock Boxes
If your just looking for inexpensive storage and/or transport you can get them free in most cases. Head down to your local large liquor store and grab a few of the empty wine boxes. These are sectioned off and depending on how many bottles it held you can get up to 10 or 12 slots to a box or as little as 6. Most stores leaves theses near the doors free for the taking.

If your looking for corrugated boxes, a big box store with tons of large boxes stacked up free for the taking is the way to go. Hard part is finding ones that are plain and without a bunch of labels all over them. Just measure an original. Cut out from the new card stock, fold and tape. Paper tape can be purchased at Staples. As for the printed boxes, its cheaper to buy them from the parts dealers.

D


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a lot of rolling stock that have no boxes. It looks pretty easy to build boxes out of heavy card stock. Does anyone know the weight (thickness) of the original AF rolling stock boxes?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69655 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
I am primarily a scaler but I used to be 100% American Flyer and I liked
their accessories. I intended to have a layout that had two parallel tracks
at the passenger station. Here is what I wanted:

The track closest to the station would be for a steam passenger train. It
would be stopped by the man wat the semaphore. The tender would be
stopped directly underneath the automated water tower. The train would have a
mail pickup car but that had no operation at the station itself. But there
was a baggage unloading car that would shove packages to the station while
taking on more packages from the loading machine. There was one of the New
Haven style coaches that would be positioned perfectly for moving people
off the car into the Guilford Station while loading passengers at the other
end. Meanwhile, at the back of the train, an 0-8-0 switcher would pull the
observation car off the train, couple onto it a waiting pullman car on a
siding, and then connect the pullman and observation back onto the end of the
train. All this action was to be going on simultaneously. As the train
departed the station a streamlined diesel-powered train with domes would be
arriving from the opposite direction on the second track.

I never finished the layout with those features. One drawback is how
poorly the Guilford Station operated. Operationally, it was a piece of junk.
I sold the station and the action New Haven coach that I never liked
anyway. I also sold the baggage loading accessory because it never operated very
well either. But I kept a couple of the action baggage cars and still
have them. .

Today I have replaced most of my AF with AM or SHS, and am in the process
of adding full length passenger cars using Laser Horizons and The Supply
Car sides. And eventually I hope to have only Kadee style couplers. I want
the passenger cars to look more like the prototype.

However, when I got married three years ago, I got the joy of being a
grandfather to my wife's grandchildren. Two are girls but the one boy is now
six, and he likes trains. So I still have my hand in the American Flyer
accessory arena for him and will build him a layout if his mother will ever
allow enough space for it.

- Earl Henry



In a message dated 5/15/2012 9:34:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
tim.benner@... writes:




It is great to see the discussion on operating. I have been wondering what
other members do with their layouts. After reading the John Allen book and
John Armstrong track planning book I got the bug to have a purpose for my
trains, most of which are passenger trains. (although it is still fun to
just watch them run)

There are four stations on my layout, which is just two loops, each with a
passing siding. By giving each of the stations a different identity on
each 'lap' I can run the PRR Pittsburgh to Beaver Falls, PA commuter schedule.
It takes 14 laps to complete one run, after which the train is turned (by
hand) and the trip from Beaver Falls back to Pittsburgh is run. I grew up
along this line and know all of the stops, which makes it interesting... at
least to me. There are no switching operations, but some day, when there is
room to build a real layout to replace the ceiling level one there will be.

While running the commuter schedule on one loop, the other loop of track
has another passenger or freight train on it, just slowly running. This is
simply rolling scenery. I run the 50's schedule with an RS-3 and the 40's
schedule with a K5, although it should be a G5s. Building a G5s out of an
Atlas 4-4-2 shell and AF running gear is something I am planning for next
Winter. This is not sophisticated operations but it is fun and a good evening's
entertainment for one operator.

I am very interested to hear what others are doing.

Regards,
Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
"Brady" <brady@...> wrote:
>
> I was reading through the MR Special issue "How to Operate your Model
Railroad" and the articles on passenger train operations caught my attention.
Operations like:
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69656 From: Robert Lampe Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...
Don,
I wish you all the best and please call me Bob

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: don@...
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 05:47:52 -0400
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: SHS blatant commercialism....and good news...


























Dear Robert,

Mike and I hope to see all of our tooling back in production in the future.

Don



On May 14, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Robert wrote:



> Don will you eventually have the entire line in production? I sure hope so cause I'd sure like to get some F-units

>

>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69657 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: AF Rolling Stock Boxes - Another Try
Hi All,

I've had a lot of responses about reproduction boxes, wine boxes, trading card boxes, business card boxes, grocery store boxes, etc. I used to keep my rolling stock in large boxes but got tired of digging around looking for what I wanted. So now I plan to store each peice in an individual box. But back to my question:

Does anyone know the weight (thickness) of the original AF rolling stock boxes?

I've looked at 14 point and 17 point cardstock but this seems to be too thin. I'm thinking chipboard (the brown or grey board typically used on the back of a pad of paper) might be about right but putting a micrometer on this stuff yields questionable results (somewhere around 22 point).

I plan to make original style boxes by cutting either cardstock or chipboard. I have a pattern and can custom make each box to fit whichever piece of rolling stock I want to box. I plan to build the boxes similar to the AFL boxes with the space in each end for the couplers. That way they will stack with the rest of my rolling stock in individual boxes.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69658 From: George Cohn Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF Rolling Stock Boxes - Another Try
Hobby Surplus has a bunch of white train boxes listed in their print
catalog.

Small HS-30 2 5/8 2 by 1/8 by 8 inch 36 for $22.99
Medium HS-29 3 by 2 2/8 by 8 inch 36 for $25.99
Large HS-31 2 2/2 by 4 by 11 7/8 36 for $25.99

I think some of these are very close to original AF boxes.

While I like making things, cardboard boxes are not among my favorites. :-)

Also check out some of the box makers like http://www.uline.com

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 69659 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: AF Rolling Stock Boxes - Another Try
Also Paper Mart, I use them & have found them to be the lowest cost, Mike
in Ore


_Paper Mart Packaging Store_ (http://www.papermart.com/)
In a message dated 5/15/2012
1:52:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gwcohn@... writes:




Hobby Surplus has a bunch of white train boxes listed in their print
catalog.

Small HS-30 2 5/8 2 by 1/8 by 8 inch 36 for $22.99
Medium HS-29 3 by 2 2/8 by 8 inch 36 for $25.99
Large HS-31 2 2/2 by 4 by 11 7/8 36 for $25.99

I think some of these are very close to original AF boxes.

While I like making things, cardboard boxes are not among my favorites. :-)

Also check out some of the box makers like _http://www.uline.com_
(http://www.uline.com/)

George Cohn





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69660 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/15/2012
Subject: Re: upper platform for 729a aircraft beacon tower
Repo platforms are available, and they are very good quality.



<<Hi If anyone has a dark green platform whole or partial they would be
willing to sell please message me. Need one for a restoration.>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 69661 From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net Date: 5/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Rolling Stock Boxes - Another Try
try this link:

http://www.paper-paper.com/weight.html [1]
It might help, even though it's paper weight, if you measure the
thickness of the cardboard with calipers, you can convert with this
chart.
Doug
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
On Tue 05/15/12 3:01 PM , "bull_gator_1" bull_gator_1@...
sent:
Hi All,
I've had a lot of responses about reproduction boxes, wine boxes,
trading card boxes, business card boxes, grocery store boxes, etc. I
used to keep my rolling stock in large boxes but got tired of digging
around looking for what I wanted. So now I plan to store each peice in
an individual box. But back to my question:
Does anyone know the weight (thickness) of the original AF rolling
stock boxes?
I've looked at 14 point and 17 point cardstock but this seems to be
too thin. I'm thinking chipboard (the brown or grey board typically
used on the back of a pad of paper) might be about right but putting
a micrometer on this stuff yields questionable results (somewhere
around 22 point).
I plan to make original style boxes by cutting either cardstock or
chipboard. I have a pattern and can custom make each box to fit
whichever piece of rolling stock I want to box. I plan to build the
boxes similar to the AFL boxes with the space in each end for the
couplers. That way they will stack with the rest of my rolling stock
in individual boxes.
David



Links:
------
[1] http://www.paper-paper.com/weight.html
[3]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMmxxYW5xBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2OTY1NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMzcxMTA1MzU-?act=reply&messageNum=69657
[4]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/69657;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZTQ0Mmc0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2OTY1NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMzcxMTA1MzUEdHBjSWQDNjk2NTc-
[5] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69662 From: Brady Date: 5/16/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
Earl,

I like your scenario.

I'm wondering, was the baggage loader a problem on it's own, or was it the baggage loader/baggage car combo?

Brady



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote:
>
> I am primarily a scaler but I used to be 100% American Flyer and I liked
> their accessories. I intended to have a layout that had two parallel tracks
> at the passenger station. Here is what I wanted:
>
> The track closest to the station would be for a steam passenger train. It
> would be stopped by the man wat the semaphore. The tender would be
> stopped directly underneath the automated water tower. The train would have a
> mail pickup car but that had no operation at the station itself. But there
> was a baggage unloading car that would shove packages to the station while
> taking on more packages from the loading machine. There was one of the New
> Haven style coaches that would be positioned perfectly for moving people
> off the car into the Guilford Station while loading passengers at the other
> end. Meanwhile, at the back of the train, an 0-8-0 switcher would pull the
> observation car off the train, couple onto it a waiting pullman car on a
> siding, and then connect the pullman and observation back onto the end of the
> train. All this action was to be going on simultaneously. As the train
> departed the station a streamlined diesel-powered train with domes would be
> arriving from the opposite direction on the second track.
>
> I never finished the layout with those features. One drawback is how
> poorly the Guilford Station operated. Operationally, it was a piece of junk.
> I sold the station and the action New Haven coach that I never liked
> anyway. I also sold the baggage loading accessory because it never operated very
> well either. But I kept a couple of the action baggage cars and still
> have them. .
>
> Today I have replaced most of my AF with AM or SHS, and am in the process
> of adding full length passenger cars using Laser Horizons and The Supply
> Car sides. And eventually I hope to have only Kadee style couplers. I want
> the passenger cars to look more like the prototype.
>
> However, when I got married three years ago, I got the joy of being a
> grandfather to my wife's grandchildren. Two are girls but the one boy is now
> six, and he likes trains. So I still have my hand in the American Flyer
> accessory arena for him and will build him a layout if his mother will ever
> allow enough space for it.
>
> - Earl Henry
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69663 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/16/2012
Subject: Re: AF Rolling Stock Boxes - Another Try
Hi Doug,

The difference in paper thickness is very small. For example the difference in 14 pt and 17 pt paper is 3/1000 inch. The old boxes no longer have uniform thickness due to a lot of factors. I used a micrometer to measure several of the old boxes but cannot settle on the original thickness due to the age of the boxes. My best guess is 22 pt. If anyone knows the thickness of the original boxes I'd appreciate them sharing it.

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, scubadoo2@... wrote:
>
>
>
> try this link:
>
> http://www.paper-paper.com/weight.html [1]
> It might help, even though it's paper weight, if you measure the
> thickness of the cardboard with calipers, you can convert with this
> chart.
> Doug
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> On Tue 05/15/12 3:01 PM , "bull_gator_1" bull_gator_1@...
> sent:
> Hi All,
> I've had a lot of responses about reproduction boxes, wine boxes,
> trading card boxes, business card boxes, grocery store boxes, etc. I
> used to keep my rolling stock in large boxes but got tired of digging
> around looking for what I wanted. So now I plan to store each peice in
> an individual box. But back to my question:
> Does anyone know the weight (thickness) of the original AF rolling
> stock boxes?
> I've looked at 14 point and 17 point cardstock but this seems to be
> too thin. I'm thinking chipboard (the brown or grey board typically
> used on the back of a pad of paper) might be about right but putting
> a micrometer on this stuff yields questionable results (somewhere
> around 22 point).
> I plan to make original style boxes by cutting either cardstock or
> chipboard. I have a pattern and can custom make each box to fit
> whichever piece of rolling stock I want to box. I plan to build the
> boxes similar to the AFL boxes with the space in each end for the
> couplers. That way they will stack with the rest of my rolling stock
> in individual boxes.
> David
>
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://www.paper-paper.com/weight.html
> [3]
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMmxxYW5xBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2OTY1NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMzcxMTA1MzU-?act=reply&messageNum=69657
> [4]
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/69657;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZTQ0Mmc0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2OTY1NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMzcxMTA1MzUEdHBjSWQDNjk2NTc-
> [5] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69664 From: Brady Date: 5/16/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
Tim,

<<... There are four stations on my layout, which is just two loops, each with a passing siding. By giving each of the stations a different identity on each 'lap' I can run the PRR Pittsburgh to Beaver Falls, PA commuter schedule. It takes 14 laps to complete one run...>>


That's a good idea, I think I'll try something similar on my layout


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 69665 From: ironrailmodels Date: 5/16/2012
Subject: BLATANT Iron Rails Models Advertising
Whether you like it or hate it Graffiti is everywhere.... Deep down don't you wish you can express yourself as boldly?? Now we can do that for you. Our graffitied Tank Car can now be customized with your own 'Tag'. You tell us what your tag is, and we do the artwork and apply it to your car. There is an 8 letter or number character limit and must be in good taste. Check out the cars we've done for our customers. There is no other done like them. You can order through our website: www.ironrailmodels.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 69666 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 5/16/2012
Subject: Re: Passenger Train Operations
Its a little of both. The baggage loader itself does not operate very
protypically. The boxes just fly out of the shute. I just do not like it.
But there was also a problem of the boxes often not going into the baggage
unloading car an unacceptably high percentage of the time. Maybe I could
have improved this with a little tweeking and a lot more patience. . . . . .
. The baggage loader works much better sending the boxes into an open box
car than it does the baggage car or the action box car that also unloads
like the baggage unloading car.

I like the baggage unloading car itself even though I had to load it
manually. Like with the Mail Pick-up Car, I wish Gilbert had enclosed these
operating mechanisms in heavyweight baggage,RPO cars that matched the
heavyweight combine, pullman, and observation. Maybe Flyonel will do this if they
offer this car again.

- Earl Henry, Nashville



In a message dated 5/16/2012 11:46:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
brady@... writes:




Earl,

I like your scenario.

I'm wondering, was the baggage loader a problem on it's own, or was it the
baggage loader/baggage car combo?

Brady

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
tennsgauge@... wrote:
>
> I am primarily a scaler but I used to be 100% American Flyer and I liked
> their accessories. I intended to have a layout that had two parallel
tracks
> at the passenger station. Here is what I wanted:
>
> The track closest to the station would be for a steam passenger train.
It
> would be stopped by the man wat the semaphore. The tender would be
> stopped directly underneath the automated water tower. The train would
have a
> mail pickup car but that had no operation at the station itself. But
there
> was a baggage unloading car that would shove packages to the station
while
> taking on more packages from the loading machine. There was one of the
New
> Haven style coaches that would be positioned perfectly for moving people

> off the car into the Guilford Station while loading passengers at the
other
> end. Meanwhile, at the back of the train, an 0-8-0 switcher would pull
the
> observation car off the train, couple onto it a waiting pullman car on a
> siding, and then connect the pullman and observation back onto the end
of the
> train. All this action was to be going on simultaneously. As the train
> departed the station a streamlined diesel-powered train with domes would
be
> arriving from the opposite direction on the second track.
>
> I never finished the layout with those features. One drawback is how
> poorly the Guilford Station operated. Operationally, it was a piece of
junk.
> I sold the station and the action New Haven coach that I never liked
> anyway. I also sold the baggage loading accessory because it never
operated very
> well either. But I kept a couple of the action baggage cars and still
> have them. .
>
> Today I have replaced most of my AF with AM or SHS, and am in the
process
> of adding full length passenger cars using Laser Horizons and The Supply
> Car sides. And eventually I hope to have only Kadee style couplers. I
want
> the passenger cars to look more like the prototype.
>
> However, when I got married three years ago, I got the joy of being a
> grandfather to my wife's grandchildren. Two are girls but the one boy is
now
> six, and he likes trains. So I still have my hand in the American Flyer
> accessory arena for him and will build him a layout if his mother will
ever
> allow enough space for it.
>
> - Earl Henry
>
>
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69667 From: David Date: 5/18/2012
Subject: BOSTON and MAINE E&T Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
We now offer a decal set+ for your 4-6-2 Pacific engine and tender for
the BOSTON and MAINE rail road. This decal set+ is printed in metallic
DULUX GOLD and retails for $6.75 per set+ which includes shipping in
CONUS.

Please use the link below and item #3636DG

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html>

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

502-292-1872



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69668 From: aztecfan Date: 5/18/2012
Subject: Turn pictures to 3D models
Group: S-Trains Message: 69669 From: Michael Date: 5/18/2012
Subject: Triple S Supplies
Hi,

Can anyone give me information about Triple S Supplies in Pennsylvania?
I sent a order there over a month ago, and have tried to follow up with
e-mails, but I can get no response. The web-site for the company is
still up and functioning. Anyone have any ideas as to what's going on?


Thanks,
Michael
San Jose
Group: S-Trains Message: 69670 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: Re: Triple S Supplies
Try looking on E-Bay. He sells there & you can contact him thru his
listings. Mike


In a message dated 5/18/2012 9:14:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mfjordba@... writes:




Hi,

Can anyone give me information about Triple S Supplies in Pennsylvania?
I sent a order there over a month ago, and have tried to follow up with
e-mails, but I can get no response. The web-site for the company is
still up and functioning. Anyone have any ideas as to what's going on?

Thanks,
Michael
San Jose






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69671 From: rapidrail1 Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: Re: Triple S Supplies
He is also on this group. His name is Tom Seccia and the posts here are signed Sheila Seccia. I believe he is still active because he had a post here earlier this week saying he had a part that someone was looking for.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Try looking on E-Bay. He sells there & you can contact him thru his
> listings. Mike
>
>
> In a message dated 5/18/2012 9:14:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> mfjordba@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone give me information about Triple S Supplies in Pennsylvania?
> I sent a order there over a month ago, and have tried to follow up with
> e-mails, but I can get no response. The web-site for the company is
> still up and functioning. Anyone have any ideas as to what's going on?
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
> San Jose
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69672 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: Re: Triple S Supplies
Hi Mike

If you want to call tom his number is 610 695 8724 he is in the process of moving so things maybe a little slow please call him thanks stan
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:57 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Triple S Supplies



Hi,

Can anyone give me information about Triple S Supplies in Pennsylvania?
I sent a order there over a month ago, and have tried to follow up with
e-mails, but I can get no response. The web-site for the company is
still up and functioning. Anyone have any ideas as to what's going on?

Thanks,
Michael
San Jose





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69673 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: Homemade Rolling Stock Boxes - Photos Posted
Hi All,

I've posted step-by-step photos of how I made rolling stock boxes from a 32" x 40" sheet of art matting from Hobby Lobby. Each sheet can make 8 boxes. Each sheet is $4.00 but was on sale for $2.79. So that's a big 35 cents per box. Start to finish I can make eight boxes in less than an hour.

You can see the step-by-step process here:

http://tinyurl.com/7urfj8c

If you decide to make your own and need any suggestions let me know.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69674 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: Re: Triple S Supplies
Thanks Stanley
              Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Triple S Supplies


 
Hi Mike

If you want to call tom his number is 610 695 8724 he is in the process of moving so things maybe a little slow please call him thanks stan
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:57 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Triple S Supplies

Hi,

Can anyone give me information about Triple S Supplies in Pennsylvania?
I sent a order there over a month ago, and have tried to follow up with
e-mails, but I can get no response. The web-site for the company is
still up and functioning. Anyone have any ideas as to what's going on?

Thanks,
Michael
San Jose

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69675 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: Re: Triple S Supplies
Thanks Wayne
            Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:30 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Triple S Supplies


 
He is also on this group. His name is Tom Seccia and the posts here are signed Sheila Seccia. I believe he is still active because he had a post here earlier this week saying he had a part that someone was looking for.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Try looking on E-Bay. He sells there & you can contact him thru his
> listings. Mike
>
>
> In a message dated 5/18/2012 9:14:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> mfjordba@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone give me information about Triple S Supplies in Pennsylvania?
> I sent a order there over a month ago, and have tried to follow up with
> e-mails, but I can get no response. The web-site for the company is
> still up and functioning. Anyone have any ideas as to what's going on?
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
> San Jose
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69676 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: Re: Triple S Supplies
Hi Michael,
I did not receive the order.  The home page of the web site has the correct contact information. If you did the shopping cart and used the order form with that mailing address P.O. Box 1224 it was mailed to the wrong location. The web site needs to be updated. Sorry for the confusion. Please email me seccia@... with your phone number and I'll call you and you can give me the order. Just got a merchant account and the credit card machine is hooked up. We accept Visa, Mastercard and Discover.

� Thank You,
Tom Seccia
� Triple"S"Supplies




________________________________
From: Michael <mfjordba@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:57 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Triple S Supplies


 
Hi,

Can anyone give me information about Triple S Supplies in Pennsylvania?
I sent a order there over a month ago, and have tried to follow up with
e-mails, but I can get no response. The web-site for the company is
still up and functioning. Anyone have any ideas as to what's going on?

Thanks,
Michael
San Jose




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69677 From: Brady Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: RPO Operations
Two short documentaries on RPO's and a few re-enactments..

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL215BFB5108277C7C

..click on 'Play All' to view them all in order, the playlist runs just under 14 minutes


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 69678 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/20/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday May 20, 2012
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 3 minutes.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
Copyright © 2012  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69679 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/19/2012
Subject: National Train Day 2012 with the San Diego S-Gaugers
The San Diego S-Gaugers clubhouse was the only site in San Diego
approved by Amtrak as a host site for National Train Day 2012. We were
open from 11:00 AM to 4:00 PM and had a steady flow of visitors all day, about 125 in total. We were especially gratified at the large number
that hung out with us for an hour or two, and by the kids that just
didn't want to leave - ever!


Mike's track-level video gives the flavor of what they came to see and enjoy.  It is now on the club's website:


https://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/national-train-day-2012

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69680 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/20/2012
Subject: Flat Car Loaded with REA panel trucks - Photos
Hi All,

I've made enough boxes for today so decided to build a new flat car load. I posted several photos of an AF flat car with a load of Johnny Lightnin REA panel delivery trucks. You can start viewing the photos here:

http://tinyurl.com/7fapc4d

Have fun!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69681 From: David Date: 5/20/2012
Subject: AF NORTHERN HUBS (Advertisement)
We finally received our first order of NORTHERN HUBS from our caster.
Shortly after we take them to our machine shop and have the axle holes
drilled they will be at our web site for sale.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69682 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/20/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/20/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday May 20, 2012
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
Copyright © 2012  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: S-Trains Message: 69683 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 5/20/2012
Subject: Knuckle coupler removal
Is there a trick to removing a knuckle coupler from the truck of a vintage
Flyer car without damaging the truck or the coupler? I am trying to remove
a good coupler from a damaged car to reuse on a good car. So I want to be
gentle on both sides of the equation in order to make the swap cleanly. So
far a tiny screwdriver lifting and prying does not seem like the best
method.



Thanks..



Ben





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69684 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/20/2012
Subject: Re: Flat Car Loaded with REA panel trucks - Photos
Very nice

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Sent: Sun May 20 13:55:53 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Flat Car Loaded with REA panel trucks - Photos




Hi All,

I've made enough boxes for today so decided to build a new flat car load. I posted several photos of an AF flat car with a load of Johnny Lightnin REA panel delivery trucks. You can start viewing the photos here:

http://tinyurl.com/7fapc4d

Have fun!

David





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69685 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/20/2012
Subject: Stumpy's Station for May
This is just a reminder that the May article for Stumpy's Station on Chuck Harrington's myflyertrains.org is posted. This month it is a look at "Operations" and how you can do them on as small a layout as 4x8' or a basement filling empire.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69686 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 5/20/2012
Subject: Re: Knuckle coupler removal
Hi Ben,
� Use a small needle nose pliers. Put the point in the bottom hole. Spread the tabs out far enough so you can bend these straight. You should be able to pull the damaged coupler straight out.
� Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: Ben E. Colley <bencolley@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 7:28 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Knuckle coupler removal


 
Is there a trick to removing a knuckle coupler from the truck of a vintage
Flyer car without damaging the truck or the coupler? I am trying to remove
a good coupler from a damaged car to reuse on a good car. So I want to be
gentle on both sides of the equation in order to make the swap cleanly. So
far a tiny screwdriver lifting and prying does not seem like the best
method.

Thanks..

Ben

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69687 From: Tom David Date: 5/21/2012
Subject: Re: Knuckle coupler removal
A good set needle nose pliers will work just pry open one side, slip broken piece out ans install new one


Tom David

For a great Florida Vacation click here
A great 3 bedroom vacation condo near Disney World Fl.



-----Original Message-----
From: Ben E. Colley <bencolley@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, May 20, 2012 7:27 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Knuckle coupler removal




Is there a trick to removing a knuckle coupler from the truck of a vintage
Flyer car without damaging the truck or the coupler? I am trying to remove
a good coupler from a damaged car to reuse on a good car. So I want to be
gentle on both sides of the equation in order to make the swap cleanly. So
far a tiny screwdriver lifting and prying does not seem like the best
method.

Thanks..

Ben

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69688 From: rhicks308 Date: 5/21/2012
Subject: Re: RPO Operations
If you're in the Chicago area and want to see an RPO in operation, the next RPO days at the Illinois Railway Museum will be June 9 and 10. It's quite interesting.

Randall


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote:
>
> Two short documentaries on RPO's and a few re-enactments..
>
> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL215BFB5108277C7C
>
> ..click on 'Play All' to view them all in order, the playlist runs just under 14 minutes
>
>
> Brady
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69689 From: mike rosz Date: 5/21/2012
Subject: Re: Knuckle coupler removal
could you take the wheel set off?  otherwise a tiny screwdriver would be the way to go.



________________________________
From: Ben E. Colley <bencolley@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 6:28 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Knuckle coupler removal


 
Is there a trick to removing a knuckle coupler from the truck of a vintage
Flyer car without damaging the truck or the coupler? I am trying to remove
a good coupler from a damaged car to reuse on a good car. So I want to be
gentle on both sides of the equation in order to make the swap cleanly. So
far a tiny screwdriver lifting and prying does not seem like the best
method.

Thanks..

Ben

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69690 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/21/2012
Subject: NYC Heritage unit (NS)
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=398385&nseq=0

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69691 From: Paul Date: 5/21/2012
Subject: Looking for SHS #01194 (USRA PRR 2-bay Open Top Hoppers - 3 car set)
Hello all,

I'm looking for SHelperServices' USRA open-top, two bay hoppers, painted for the PRR - the three-car set: SHS #01194

Please contact me off-line.

Paul Schilling
Group: S-Trains Message: 69692 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 5/21/2012
Subject: Fwd: [ChattanoogaRails] Fwd: [NSInfo] Norfolk Southern Heritage loco
Begin forwarded message:

> From: Jonathan Guy <JGuy4610@...>
> Date: May 21, 2012 1:42:02 PM PDT
> To: "ChattanoogaRails@yahoogroups.com"
> <ChattanoogaRails@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [ChattanoogaRails] Fwd: [NSInfo] Norfolk Southern Heritage
> locomotives to gather in North Carolina for July 4 'family portrait'
> Reply-To: ChattanoogaRails@yahoogroups.com
>
> The Official Announcement from NS:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: <nsinfo@...>
> Date: May 21, 2012 4:31 PM
> Subject: [NSInfo] Norfolk Southern Heritage locomotives to gather
> in North
> Carolina for July 4 'family portrait'
> To: "nsinfo@..." <nsinfo@...>
>
> May 21, 2012****
>
> ** **
>
> *Norfolk Southern Heritage locomotives to gather in North Carolina
> for July
> 4 ‘family portrait’*
>
> ** **
>
> NORFOLK, VA. – Norfolk Southern’s Heritage locomotives will gather
> for a
> “family portrait” at the North Carolina Transportation Museum
> (NCTM) in
> Spencer, N.C., during the Fourth of July week. All 20 locomotives
> painted
> in the color schemes of predecessor railroads will be on display
> July 3 and
> 4. ****
>
> ** **
>
> “This is the first and probably only chance we’ll have to get all
> these
> locomotives together in one place at one time,” said Norfolk
> Southern CEO
> Wick Moorman. “We’re proud of the role railroads play in keeping the
> country’s economy strong, and July 4 is an opportune time to
> showcase that
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69693 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/21/2012
Subject: SnS Trains to re-open
S-'n-S Trains will re-open on Wednesday May 23rd at 10: AM Mountain time.
Thanks to all for understanding our plight.

Steve

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69694 From: barb Date: 5/21/2012
Subject: Flat Car Loaded with REA panel trucks - Photos
Bull,

I was so enchanted by your little Johnny Lightning REA delivery
trucks that I ordered one from Amazon.com.

Can't wait for it to arrive.

Thanks for the idea and motivation. Your flat car load looks great!!!

Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 69695 From: robert hendrickson Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: SHS sale
I just read a post on Facebook stating that MTH has purchased S Helper Service. Anybody know anything more about this deal?
 
Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69696 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: Flat Car Loaded with REA panel trucks - Photos
Barb,

I should have mentioned I got the trucks at Walmart. They are part of a new release by Johhny Lightning and I would think should be at Walmart for at least a few weeks.

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote:
>
> Bull,
>
> I was so enchanted by your little Johnny Lightning REA delivery
> trucks that I ordered one from Amazon.com.
>
> Can't wait for it to arrive.
>
> Thanks for the idea and motivation. Your flat car load looks great!!!
>
> Barb
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69697 From: Roy Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Some Interesting News
Group: S-Trains Message: 69698 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Dear Bob,
Yes, it is true we sold our production assets to MTH. I think the joint press release tell the story. If there are any particular questions, let me know...
Don
PS My new e-mail address is...
don@...

On May 22, 2012, at 11:03 AM, robert hendrickson wrote:

> I just read a post on Facebook stating that MTH has purchased S Helper Service. Anybody know anything more about this deal?
>
> Bob
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69699 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: Some Interesting News
I hope we will still be able to buy trucks & couplers seperately

Sent from my iPod

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69700 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: Some Interesting News
Wonder how long before they begin sales?  Looks like a good step for S and
showcase line. 




________________________________
From: Roy <royhoffman@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 11:37:32 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Some Interesting News

 
http://www.mthtrains.com/news/499

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69701 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
ARE YOU STILL RUNNING YOUR BOGO SALE????? BOB CONNER

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:

From: Don Thompson <don@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS sale
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 11:46 AM
















 









Dear Bob,

Yes, it is true we sold our production assets to MTH. I think the joint press release tell the story. If there are any particular questions, let me know...

Don

PS My new e-mail address is...

don@...



On May 22, 2012, at 11:03 AM, robert hendrickson wrote:



> I just read a post on Facebook stating that MTH has purchased S Helper Service. Anybody know anything more about this deal?

>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69702 From: Brady Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: MTH Enters S Scale In 2013
Group: S-Trains Message: 69703 From: R G Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Thanks Don for the great products that you have produced over the years,  I wish you the best, and I think that this was an excellent move on your part.  Will you still be at York in the fall?  It has always been a pleasure dealing with your company and the lady at York always remembered my name.  Good luck to you, your family and employees!

Rich Gabryszewski



________________________________
From: Don Thompson <don@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS sale


 
Dear Bob,
Yes, it is true we sold our production assets to MTH. I think the joint press release tell the story. If there are any particular questions, let me know...
Don
PS My new e-mail address is...
don@...

On May 22, 2012, at 11:03 AM, robert hendrickson wrote:

> I just read a post on Facebook stating that MTH has purchased S Helper Service. Anybody know anything more about this deal?
>
> Bob
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69704 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Dear Bob,
Sort of, all freight cars and cabooses, 4 for/$100, 3 car sets count as 2 cars. Switchers, BYGOF, 00292 25" radius curved track, 4 for/$100
Don
PS Latest PDF file of order form...last GN boxcar just sold out.



On May 22, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Robert Conner wrote:

> ARE YOU STILL RUNNING YOUR BOGO SALE????? BOB CONNER
>
> --- On Tue, 5/22/12, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> From: Don Thompson <don@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS sale
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 11:46 AM
>
>
>
> Dear Bob,
>
> Yes, it is true we sold our production assets to MTH. I think the joint press release tell the story. If there are any particular questions, let me know...
>
> Don
>
> PS My new e-mail address is...
>
> don@...
>
> On May 22, 2012, at 11:03 AM, robert hendrickson wrote:
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69705 From: detmer@charter.net Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS sale
Don, will MTH be servicing SHS items? Will the release be sent to SHS customers? Tom Detmer
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Don Thompson" <don@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] SHS sale
Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 10:46 am
Dear Bob,

Yes, it is true we sold our production assets to MTH. I think the joint press release tell the story. If there are any particular questions, let me know...

Don

PS My new e-mail address is...

don@...



On May 22, 2012, at 11:03 AM, robert hendrickson wrote:



> I just read a post on Facebook stating that MTH has purchased S Helper Service. Anybody know anything more about this deal?

>

> Bob

>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69706 From: Robert Lampe Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Don does this mean then that you are getting out if the business and closing S Helper Service?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: detmer@...
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:18:24 -0500
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS sale




























Don, will MTH be servicing SHS items? Will the release be sent to SHS customers? Tom Detmer

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone



----- Reply message -----

From: "Don Thompson" <don@...>

To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [S-Trains] SHS sale

Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 10:46 am

Dear Bob,



Yes, it is true we sold our production assets to MTH. I think the joint press release tell the story. If there are any particular questions, let me know...



Don



PS My new e-mail address is...



don@...



On May 22, 2012, at 11:03 AM, robert hendrickson wrote:



> I just read a post on Facebook stating that MTH has purchased S Helper Service. Anybody know anything more about this deal?



>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69707 From: johntech Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Congratulations Don !!
I'm glad the S-Helper line will be carried on! Hopefully they will be able to continue making the
FLEX track so we can get switches made by Tom's Turnouts OR MTH will produce switches
to go with the FLEX track!!

I guess I'll have to start liking PURPLE and YELLOW

Good Luck

John Frankforther

----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS sale



Dear Bob,
Yes, it is true we sold our production assets to MTH. I think the joint press release tell the story. If there are any particular questions, let me know...
Don
PS My new e-mail address is...
don@...

On May 22, 2012, at 11:03 AM, robert hendrickson wrote:

> I just read a post on Facebook stating that MTH has purchased S Helper Service. Anybody know anything more about this deal?
>
> Bob
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69708 From: johntech Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: MTH Show Schedule Detroit , Michigan area
For those of you around the Detroit , Michigan area


http://www.mthtrains.com/content/shows

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69709 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Let me add my congratulations to Don Thompson and his people who have brought us those quality SHS products over the years. This sale should take care of a lot of stress and financial concerns you probably have, and you can get back to just enjoying the hobby you have served so well.
As for MTH, this was an excellent purchase. They start their foray into S Gauge with a complete line of quality products, from sets to track to engines and rolling stock. This puts them in as good a position competitively as they could get!
I'm sure this news will not be happily accepted at Lionel. Just as in O three rail, both the quality and sales bars have just been raised for them in S!
For the rest of us, I see this a potentially very good news as we will now have a second high powered manufacturer to provide goodies for us!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69710 From: Robert Lampe Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Don,
I also offer my congratulations. At first I was concerned but after much thought came to the conclusion that this just might be the shot in the arm that S scale needs. MTH makes some excellent O and HO stuff among them an HO scale Milwaukee Little Joe and Bi-Polar electric locomotives. Be nice if they'd do those in S.
Bob
Formerly in Butte

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: mrstumpy@...
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:08:25 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: SHS sale


























Let me add my congratulations to Don Thompson and his people who have brought us those quality SHS products over the years. This sale should take care of a lot of stress and financial concerns you probably have, and you can get back to just enjoying the hobby you have served so well.

As for MTH, this was an excellent purchase. They start their foray into S Gauge with a complete line of quality products, from sets to track to engines and rolling stock. This puts them in as good a position competitively as they could get!

I'm sure this news will not be happily accepted at Lionel. Just as in O three rail, both the quality and sales bars have just been raised for them in S!

For the rest of us, I see this a potentially very good news as we will now have a second high powered manufacturer to provide goodies for us!

Stumpy in Ahia


















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Group: S-Trains Message: 69711 From: Tom Hawley Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Show Schedule Grand Rapids , Michigan area
----- Original Message -----
From: johntech
For those of you around the Detroit , Michigan area
http://www.mthtrains.com/content/shows
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
The only thing that came up for me was the National Train Show in August, in
Grand Rapids a goodly distance from Detroit.

But the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers will have their layout set up there,
and it will be interesting talking to them.

Tom Hawley, Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 69712 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Wow, I had been bugging MTH for years to enter into S scale / gauge and their
reply was always not at this time. Good move on MTH's part buy getting a good quality product line of proven existing tooling. If they make changes I hope they are improvments.
May be they will expand the offerings as well. Can't wait to see what happens.

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: SHS sale
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 4:08 PM



 



Let me add my congratulations to Don Thompson and his people who have brought us those quality SHS products over the years. This sale should take care of a lot of stress and financial concerns you probably have, and you can get back to just enjoying the hobby you have served so well.
As for MTH, this was an excellent purchase. They start their foray into S Gauge with a complete line of quality products, from sets to track to engines and rolling stock. This puts them in as good a position competitively as they could get!
I'm sure this news will not be happily accepted at Lionel. Just as in O three rail, both the quality and sales bars have just been raised for them in S!
For the rest of us, I see this a potentially very good news as we will now have a second high powered manufacturer to provide goodies for us!
Stumpy in Ahia








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Group: S-Trains Message: 69713 From: Alex Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Dear Don,
I am happy and sad that the Showcase Line is going to be owned and operated by MTH. The emergence of S Scale back into the mainstream is a direct result of American Models and S Helper keeping the scale alive over the bleak years.
The Showcase Line is the class in S Gauge and one can only hope that MTH builds on what S Helper created. A great big thank you to Don, Robin, Mike and all those who helped make S Gauge too large to be ignored anymore by the big boys.
And a special thank you to you Don for joining our lists, listening to our needs, answering our questions and just being a regular guy who made wonderful trains for our favorite scale.
Alex Sibbald
SDSG

----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS sale



Dear Bob,
Yes, it is true we sold our production assets to MTH. I think the joint press release tell the story. If there are any particular questions, let me know...
Don
PS My new e-mail address is...
don@...

On May 22, 2012, at 11:03 AM, robert hendrickson wrote:

> I just read a post on Facebook stating that MTH has purchased S Helper Service. Anybody know anything more about this deal?
>
> Bob
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69714 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
It's likely a good thing for those who owned SHS. As for we who buy , well......"there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth" when MTH starts issuing in S. They have the worst out-of-the-box quality issues that I've EVER experienced. Bull Gator, get set for some REAL problems!- TFBFAOU, John Matganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69715 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: MTH acquires S Helper...a message from Don...
I want to apologize for keeping our sale to M.T.H. under wraps. Mike Wolf asked that we did not disclose the purchase of the SHS production assets until all of the tooling as well as other related items had been transferred. As the joint press release stated, Mike Ferraro and I are excited about the continued use of our tooling by M.T.H. and the new products they will be bringing out in S Scale. It was no secret the problems SHS was having with the holding company of Sanda Kan. And, once the notice went out 23 months ago that they would not accept new purchase orders for production, we knew our options were limited. But, we happily found someone whose goals were the same as ours and who was sizeable enough to invest what was needed to continue what we had started.

You can find a link to the joint press release on our new website:

www.stacktalk.com

Right now, the sale is continuing. For those who do not know...you can get any 4 SHS freight cars for $100. This includes our extended vision cabooses too. For the 3 car sets, you can get two for $100 or, they can count as two cars. The B1G14F sale (Buy 1 Get 1 for Free) on switchers, NW2s and SW8s will continue. DCC sound is an extra $100 per unit. Like our SW1 and SW9, these will all be gone shortly. We have added the 00292 25� curved track as a buy 4 boxes for $100. You can find the current order form on the website.

I think all of the back orders have been shipped except our remote control switches. They are the last product of ours still at Sanda Kan. Before they can be shipped, they all need to be tested. We hope to see these later in the summer.

If you have a repair with us I want to apologies for any delays. Our good friend and repair guy, Bill broke his leg here while Robin and I were in Florida. He started to work again last week. We are hoping he will be here for our Open House on June 8th, this may be our last June Open House.

Next, you have a deposit on a Christmas car, you can use this for the sale or we will be refunding your deposit if we do not hear from you...

Lastly, Mike and I want to thank all of our customers and friends that have helped us over the years with bringing what we feel were the best in S Scale products. The list would be too long to mention here, but just a few would be Wai Shing Ting, the past general manager of Sanda Kan, of course Ron Bashista of American Models who trusted us with his projects when we first started, Bill Clark, our webmaster supreme, the late Howie Waelder who was a great inspiration, as well as lots of others, Ron Sebastian, my older brother, Jim Kindraka, my younger brother, both were there to give a shoulder during difficult times, Bill Moitz, our repair guy and my modeling buddy, John Prior, Navigator on many trips to conventions ....there were more, lots more, but I would be surprised if anyone was still reading this....
Don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69716 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
John,

I don't know anything about MTH so I'll learn as time paases. Oh, so WTF does TFBFAOU mean???

BG1

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69717 From: Tony Gervasio Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
I'm personally over the moon about this announcement.  I've been bugging MTH for years to dive into the S Gauge waters.

Tony Gervasio

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69718 From: Frank Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
I have some MTH trains and they are great. Unlike Lionel, MTH checks all the items to work properly before shipping them out. Lionel does not. The great reputation of SHS I am sure will be at least equal, if not improved.
I will miss the BOGOF SHS sales. Maybe American Models should wake up and do a BOGOF sale.
Frank
Sent from my iPhone

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> It's likely a good thing for those who owned SHS. As for we who buy , well......"there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth" when MTH starts issuing in S. They have the worst out-of-the-box quality issues that I've EVER experienced. Bull Gator, get set for some REAL problems!- TFBFAOU, John Matganski
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69719 From: The Reardon's Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Hi Don and Robin,

I want to again express how perfect your service has been whenever I needed anything over the past years. It has been my privilege to do business with you two and I wish you both the very best. You will be missed here.

Pat, in Maine

----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS sale



Dear Bob,
Yes, it is true we sold our production assets to MTH. I think the joint press release tell the story. If there are any particular questions, let me know...
Don
PS My new e-mail address is...
don@...

On May 22, 2012, at 11:03 AM, robert hendrickson wrote:

> I just read a post on Facebook stating that MTH has purchased S Helper Service. Anybody know anything more about this deal?
>
> Bob
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69720 From: Frank Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
I think there were several of us that said the same to Mike Wolf. He said SHS track was the best in the market.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2012, at 7:03 PM, Tony Gervasio <trainboy59@...> wrote:

> I'm personally over the moon about this announcement. I've been bugging MTH for years to dive into the S Gauge waters.
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> Tony Gervasio
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69721 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Dear Rich,
At this time, we plan on being at the October York, our next show is the Open House on June 8th, after that, the NASG convention in August, the Fall Get-Together in September, and the October York....
Don

On May 22, 2012, at 1:30 PM, R G wrote:

> ....Will you still be at York in the fall?
> Rich Gabryszewski
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69722 From: Robert Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: MTH acquires S Helper...a message from Don...
Don,
Congratulations. I really have no problem with your decision to sell. I just hope and pray that MTH doesn't jack prices up so high that the normal working guy or retiree such as myself can't afford them. A friend of mine told me that was what ruined the hobby for him prices being so high he couldn't afford to be in the hobby anymore.
Bob
Formerly in Butte

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> I want to apologize for keeping our sale to M.T.H. under wraps. Mike Wolf asked that we did not disclose the purchase of the SHS production assets until all of the tooling as well as other related items had been transferred. As the joint press release stated, Mike Ferraro and I are excited about the continued use of our tooling by M.T.H. and the new products they will be bringing out in S Scale. It was no secret the problems SHS was having with the holding company of Sanda Kan. And, once the notice went out 23 months ago that they would not accept new purchase orders for production, we knew our options were limited. But, we happily found someone whose goals were the same as ours and who was sizeable enough to invest what was needed to continue what we had started.
>
> You can find a link to the joint press release on our new website:
>
> www.stacktalk.com
>
> Right now, the sale is continuing. For those who do not know...you can get any 4 SHS freight cars for $100. This includes our extended vision cabooses too. For the 3 car sets, you can get two for $100 or, they can count as two cars. The B1G14F sale (Buy 1 Get 1 for Free) on switchers, NW2s and SW8s will continue. DCC sound is an extra $100 per unit. Like our SW1 and SW9, these will all be gone shortly. We have added the 00292 25" curved track as a buy 4 boxes for $100. You can find the current order form on the website.
>
> I think all of the back orders have been shipped except our remote control switches. They are the last product of ours still at Sanda Kan. Before they can be shipped, they all need to be tested. We hope to see these later in the summer.
>
> If you have a repair with us I want to apologies for any delays. Our good friend and repair guy, Bill broke his leg here while Robin and I were in Florida. He started to work again last week. We are hoping he will be here for our Open House on June 8th, this may be our last June Open House.
>
> Next, you have a deposit on a Christmas car, you can use this for the sale or we will be refunding your deposit if we do not hear from you...
>
> Lastly, Mike and I want to thank all of our customers and friends that have helped us over the years with bringing what we feel were the best in S Scale products. The list would be too long to mention here, but just a few would be Wai Shing Ting, the past general manager of Sanda Kan, of course Ron Bashista of American Models who trusted us with his projects when we first started, Bill Clark, our webmaster supreme, the late Howie Waelder who was a great inspiration, as well as lots of others, Ron Sebastian, my older brother, Jim Kindraka, my younger brother, both were there to give a shoulder during difficult times, Bill Moitz, our repair guy and my modeling buddy, John Prior, Navigator on many trips to conventions ....there were more, lots more, but I would be surprised if anyone was still reading this....
> Don
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69723 From: Roy Inman Date: 5/23/2012
Subject: Re: MTH acquires S Helper...a message from Don...
I would almost bet (if I had any money) that the days of $199.00 SHS
switchers are a thing of the past when MTH gets up and rolling.
Roy Inman



From: Robert <danceswithwolves49@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 02:17:12 +0000
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH acquires S Helper...a message from Don...






Don,
Congratulations. I really have no problem with your decision to sell. I
just hope and pray that MTH doesn't jack prices up so high that the normal
working guy or retiree such as myself can't afford them. A friend of mine
told me that was what ruined the hobby for him prices being so high he
couldn't afford to be in the hobby anymore.
Bob
Formerly in Butte

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Don
Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> I want to apologize for keeping our sale to M.T.H. under wraps. Mike Wolf
asked that we did not disclose the purchase of the SHS production assets until
all of the tooling as well as other related items had been transferred. As the
joint press release stated, Mike Ferraro and I are excited about the continued
use of our tooling by M.T.H. and the new products they will be bringing out in S
Scale. It was no secret the problems SHS was having with the holding company of
Sanda Kan. And, once the notice went out 23 months ago that they would not
accept new purchase orders for production, we knew our options were limited.
But, we happily found someone whose goals were the same as ours and who was
sizeable enough to invest what was needed to continue what we had started.
>
> You can find a link to the joint press release on our new website:
>
> www.stacktalk.com
>
> Right now, the sale is continuing. For those who do not know...you can get
any 4 SHS freight cars for $100. This includes our extended vision cabooses
too. For the 3 car sets, you can get two for $100 or, they can count as two
cars. The B1G14F sale (Buy 1 Get 1 for Free) on switchers, NW2s and SW8s will
continue. DCC sound is an extra $100 per unit. Like our SW1 and SW9, these
will all be gone shortly. We have added the 00292 25" curved track as a buy 4
boxes for $100. You can find the current order form on the website.
>
> I think all of the back orders have been shipped except our remote control
switches. They are the last product of ours still at Sanda Kan. Before they
can be shipped, they all need to be tested. We hope to see these later in the
summer.
>
> If you have a repair with us I want to apologies for any delays. Our good
friend and repair guy, Bill broke his leg here while Robin and I were in
Florida. He started to work again last week. We are hoping he will be here for
our Open House on June 8th, this may be our last June Open House.
>
> Next, you have a deposit on a Christmas car, you can use this for the sale or
we will be refunding your deposit if we do not hear from you...
>
> Lastly, Mike and I want to thank all of our customers and friends that have
helped us over the years with bringing what we feel were the best in S Scale
products. The list would be too long to mention here, but just a few would be
Wai Shing Ting, the past general manager of Sanda Kan, of course Ron Bashista of
American Models who trusted us with his projects when we first started, Bill
Clark, our webmaster supreme, the late Howie Waelder who was a great
inspiration, as well as lots of others, Ron Sebastian, my older brother, Jim
Kindraka, my younger brother, both were there to give a shoulder during
difficult times, Bill Moitz, our repair guy and my modeling buddy, John Prior,
Navigator on many trips to conventions ....there were more, lots more, but I
would be surprised if anyone was still reading this....
> Don
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>








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Group: S-Trains Message: 69724 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/23/2012
Subject: High Prices?
The comments about MTH possibly raising prices is a good one. I would guess that would depend on many different matters, and how strong they want to compete with Flyonel. I'm sure to be flamed for saying this, but high prices are the future. If it requires plastic, that's oil based; higher prices. If it has a load of electronics, that's higher prices. If it's a low volume item, that's higher prices. If a ton of dollars is spent on advertising, that's higher prices.
When rabid collectors run the price of an old toy to unreal levels, that's higher prices. When the prices for new toy trains are set by what collectors have been paying for an original or similar item, that's higher prices.
I lost out on the price of both "collectable" and new stuff many years ago, well before I retired. My wages didn't go up nearly as fast as prices did! And now as a retiree, the deck is stacked even more against me.
For those of us who have been "bucks down" for a while, and still haven't given up, there are alternatives. For me, it has been a return to building rather than buying. Shopping carefully and buying used is now a necessity when it comes to locomotives.
If you want only the new, with all possible bells and whistles, you WILL pay to get it, that's reality. But if you're down on dollars you need not give up the hobby, just find ways around the bigger costs. Model Railroading began during the Depression to grow to what it is today! Are we unable to do the same?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69725 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 5/23/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Stumpy,
     All very valid points to consider. That is why I am so high on kit bashing. A true kit basher can take most any piece of junk and make a very credible E&T or rolling stock for meir pennies on the dollar compared to buying new RTR.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc

--- On Wed, 5/23/12, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] High Prices?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 10:13 AM



 



The comments about MTH possibly raising prices is a good one. I would guess that would depend on many different matters, and how strong they want to compete with Flyonel. I'm sure to be flamed for saying this, but high prices are the future. If it requires plastic, that's oil based; higher prices. If it has a load of electronics, that's higher prices. If it's a low volume item, that's higher prices. If a ton of dollars is spent on advertising, that's higher prices.
When rabid collectors run the price of an old toy to unreal levels, that's higher prices. When the prices for new toy trains are set by what collectors have been paying for an original or similar item, that's higher prices.
I lost out on the price of both "collectable" and new stuff many years ago, well before I retired. My wages didn't go up nearly as fast as prices did! And now as a retiree, the deck is stacked even more against me.
For those of us who have been "bucks down" for a while, and still haven't given up, there are alternatives. For me, it has been a return to building rather than buying. Shopping carefully and buying used is now a necessity when it comes to locomotives.
If you want only the new, with all possible bells and whistles, you WILL pay to get it, that's reality. But if you're down on dollars you need not give up the hobby, just find ways around the bigger costs. Model Railroading began during the Depression to grow to what it is today! Are we unable to do the same?








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Group: S-Trains Message: 69726 From: Robert Date: 5/23/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
I agree with you Stumpy. I first got into the hobby back in the early 50's when I got my first train set at age 6 a clockwork Marx set I got for Christmas. Boy talk about stone age. Later I got a Flyer set with a small steamer probably a 2-6-0 with chuff sound and smoke and from there I accumulated a total of 7 trains. When I joined the Navy (and you can kick me----real hard) I sold everything Cause I'd heard that Flyer went out of business so I decided to go into (heaven forbid) HO scale. I remember Walthers had a lot of craftsman kits which at that time involved a lot of scratch building. MDC Roundhouse in the very late 70's had an HO scale snowplow that was basically a kitbashing project which I enjoyed building very much. Then in the early 80's I rediscovered S. Scenery Unlimited had some really nice wood craftsman freight cars of which I built several. Nowadays it seems that in this hurry-up-to-go-nowhere world craftsmanship is nonexistent. Why scratch build when I can just run down to the hobby shop and buy one right off the shelf. I've got the bucks why waste my time building it. So he buys the locomotive,car or building at a high price and instead of impressing his buddies with his building skills by saying I built it myself he impresses them with the size of his wallet by saying I spent boocoo bucks on it. That's why I'd like to see Fred Rouse re-introduce the castings Claude Wade had when he was owner of S Scale Locomotive and Supply or someone re-introduce the old Wabash Valley S scale F-unit body shells. I'd like to see us get back to the basics. I can even remember guys using 12 volt car batteries to power their layout but I don't think we need to get that basic.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> The comments about MTH possibly raising prices is a good one. I would guess that would depend on many different matters, and how strong they want to compete with Flyonel. I'm sure to be flamed for saying this, but high prices are the future. If it requires plastic, that's oil based; higher prices. If it has a load of electronics, that's higher prices. If it's a low volume item, that's higher prices. If a ton of dollars is spent on advertising, that's higher prices.
> When rabid collectors run the price of an old toy to unreal levels, that's higher prices. When the prices for new toy trains are set by what collectors have been paying for an original or similar item, that's higher prices.
> I lost out on the price of both "collectable" and new stuff many years ago, well before I retired. My wages didn't go up nearly as fast as prices did! And now as a retiree, the deck is stacked even more against me.
> For those of us who have been "bucks down" for a while, and still haven't given up, there are alternatives. For me, it has been a return to building rather than buying. Shopping carefully and buying used is now a necessity when it comes to locomotives.
> If you want only the new, with all possible bells and whistles, you WILL pay to get it, that's reality. But if you're down on dollars you need not give up the hobby, just find ways around the bigger costs. Model Railroading began during the Depression to grow to what it is today! Are we unable to do the same?
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69727 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/23/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Pretty good summary, Stump. Here is my flame for you. You left off
development and tooling costs. Any new tools or designs must be created
by people making a living wage in today's economy. I am thinking those
costs are higher, too and will force higher prices. Rats!

Other than that, you were your usual, eloquent self.

Bill (old enough to retire but not ready or able to retire)

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 5/23/2012 10:13 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
> The comments about MTH possibly raising prices is a good one. I would guess that would depend on many different matters, and how strong they want to compete with Flyonel. I'm sure to be flamed for saying this, but high prices are the future. If it requires plastic, that's oil based; higher prices. If it has a load of electronics, that's higher prices. If it's a low volume item, that's higher prices. If a ton of dollars is spent on advertising, that's higher prices.
> When rabid collectors run the price of an old toy to unreal levels, that's higher prices. When the prices for new toy trains are set by what collectors have been paying for an original or similar item, that's higher prices.
> I lost out on the price of both "collectable" and new stuff many years ago, well before I retired. My wages didn't go up nearly as fast as prices did! And now as a retiree, the deck is stacked even more against me.
> For those of us who have been "bucks down" for a while, and still haven't given up, there are alternatives. For me, it has been a return to building rather than buying. Shopping carefully and buying used is now a necessity when it comes to locomotives.
> If you want only the new, with all possible bells and whistles, you WILL pay to get it, that's reality. But if you're down on dollars you need not give up the hobby, just find ways around the bigger costs. Model Railroading began during the Depression to grow to what it is today! Are we unable to do the same?
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69728 From: Larry Moore Date: 5/23/2012
Subject: B unit chassis
Does anyone have an Alco B unit chassis with trucks and side frames, knuckle
couplers, for sale. Please contact me off-list at mo2337@... Thanks,
Larry



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69729 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 5/23/2012
Subject: East Broad Top Railroad
Sad news



Published: May 18, 2012 - TRAINS News Wire
ORBISONIA, Pa. — For the first time in 52 years, the famed East Broad
Top narrow gauge heritage railway will not operate for the summer tourist
season, it was announced today. In 2009 the nonprofit East Broad
Preservation Association signed a three-year contract to operate the railroad’s
trains, with an option to purchase. This year the association could not work out
an agreement with the railroads owner, railroad’s owner, Joe Kovalchick to
operate trains over the three-foot gauge line.

The association said that the announcement does not mean that the railroad
will not reopen again, and that it is hopeful that an agreement can be
worked out to operate trains in 2013.

The association will still be offering tours of the railroad’s shops and
roundhouse for groups of 20 or more. Advance reservations are required and
can be made by calling 814-447-3011.

The coal-hauling East Broad Top closed in 1956 and was purchased by
Kovalchick Salvage Co. Rather than tear up the line, the company’s owner, Nick
Kovalchick, reopened a portion of the railroad for excursions in 1960. Still
owned by the Kovalchick family, the EBT was designated a National Historic
Landmark in 1964 and is the last original narrow gauge railroad east of the
Rockies.



Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69730 From: Brady Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
As a former O gauger, my observation is that MTH has held the line on price increases better than Lionel.

Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 69731 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Trains
Fred, get back to me about Friday, it is good for me. Am off.

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69732 From: Robert Lampe Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Brady, Thanks for that heads up. Good thing to know.

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: brady@...
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 13:30:14 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: High Prices?




























As a former O gauger, my observation is that MTH has held the line on price increases better than Lionel.



Brady


















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Group: S-Trains Message: 69733 From: Frank Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Brady, I do agree with you. I think if the S products were cheaper and marketing is done better, then I think S would prevail to many others. I fully understand costs and and starting up a business, but S needs a good marketing manufacture.
SHS produced great products and their B1G1F offers were great ! If Mike Wolf does in S what he has done in"0", I think S will do very well. Pricing in S makes one think, should you go "0" or HO instead. Keeping a price closer to HO might switch HO'ers to S.
Just my 2 rails (cents).


Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2012, at 9:30 AM, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote:

>
> As a former O gauger, my observation is that MTH has held the line on price increases better than Lionel.
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> Brady
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69734 From: Wayne B. Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Stumpy does not know this, but I am one of his fans here.  I have always enjoyed his eloquent comments.  It seems he sees the big picture.  I to bought lots of  trains in years past, and like Stumpy, prices started escalating much faster than my raises at work for the last several years.  At the time 1990-1999 I had a wonderful job that offered overtime weekly.  If you could manage the long hours of work, by thursday night I would have 40 hours in, then friday was another 10 of straight overtime, and anything over 50 hours was double-time pay.  Every saturday was doubletime pay.
 
It was with this wonderful job that I was able to buy  most of my American flyer and Flyonel  sets.  I remember how excited everyone in our club was that Flyonel was going to make the Missouri-Pacific Set.  When I received mine, I was blown away with how beautiful it was and what an incredible job Lionel had done.  The years went buy, and there were trips from Utah to San Jose for the Nor-Cal meet, and with me I took enough cash to come home with some real bargains of LN to Mint Flyer from the Golden Years.  My collection grew, bigger and bigger, and I enjoyed those wonderful trains and accessories from yesteryear.
 
I always bought nearly everything Lionel made, because it only was about ONE set a year they would come out with.  They were affordable, and always impressive.  The Union Pacific set, MP set, NP set, Western Pacific set, the New Haven Electric engine, the Flash set, and many others.   I am sure that most of you out there remember how the economy was bursting at the seams with growth during that wonderful decade of the 90's.  Our printing plant could barely keep up with all the work coming in.
 
Then came 9/11...economic downturn, then 2008, the great recession, and gone went the overtime, gone went the double time, gone went the trips to california to buy trains.  Never made it to YORK like I always wanted too.  So like Stumpy, I have not bought any trains for years, and OH OH how hard it is to keep the "fire of excitement" lit when there is no 'wood to burn' (money) so to speak.
 
I haven't  got into kitbashing, but if I am so stay in this hobby, I will have to.  I do very little with my train club now, and the hobby is way on the back burner. I do attend two local shows a year out of about 6.  I cannot think that I am the only one out there who has gone through this.  I only know, that for years I could not afford the Mikado's, or the new Challengers.  It kind of makes me wonder what has happened to the Flyer hobby, how many other people who love American Flyer have had to drop out.  I remember many early club meetings around 1990, when I could buy a LN 290 for $75.00, and a beautiful Hudson for $100.  Those are the memories of the most fun in our club that I remember.  We have lost so many good club memebers over the years because of similar stories.
 
Wayne

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69735 From: rapidrail1 Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Erector set lives again
I just got home for lunch. While eating I am watching a History Channel show on "Walt Disney World". At about 55 minutes in to the program they describe a ride where the imagineer used an old erector set from his boyhood that was in his basement, to create a prototype. A.C. lives again. You know, A.C. and Walt were basically of the same generation. Imagine what each would have done if they had known each other.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 69736 From: Robert Lampe Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
How about that my middle name is Wayne. I sort of went through the same ordeal. Working a pretty good job no overtime though also a volunteer firefighter but we did get paid and also serving in the National Guard. That got me a lot of my trains then came retirement from the Guard...no more drill pay or annual training pay I wasn't yet 60 so no retirement pay then comes VA disability bye bye firefighting and working in the plant....major back problems...other problems to follow...heart for one. Then come trips to the VA Medical Center and things I did not discover until too late. Then I meet a guy who shows me a beautiful brass SW 1200 IN S SCALE. I said wow I have one just like it. I went home to look at mine only it was gone. ALL MY S SCALE STUFF WAS GONE. My wife had been pawning it whenever I went to the VA for an appointment so she could get her Pepsi and other goodies. T this day I hate Pepsi. That's partly why she's now my ex. My present wife only goes to a pawn shop to see if some other dude was as unlucky as me and maybe buy the trai8ns that are for sale. One time I went into a hobby shop and asked the guy behind the counter how much a certain locomotive was and after he told me I said I'd have to wait on it he said if you can't afford it maybe you shouldn't be in this hobby. That angered me and I have NEVER gone back to that place and never will if that guy is going to have that attitude he doesn't need my business. I might add that my financial situation IS improving but at a snail's pace but it is improving.
Bob
Formerly from Butte

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: afvair@...
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 09:11:35 -0700
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: High Prices?


























Stumpy does not know this, but I am one of his fans here. I have always enjoyed his eloquent comments. It seems he sees the big picture. I to bought lots of trains in years past, and like Stumpy, prices started escalating much faster than my raises at work for the last several years. At the time 1990-1999 I had a wonderful job that offered overtime weekly. If you could manage the long hours of work, by thursday night I would have 40 hours in, then friday was another 10 of straight overtime, and anything over 50 hours was double-time pay. Every saturday was doubletime pay.



It was with this wonderful job that I was able to buy most of my American flyer and Flyonel sets. I remember how excited everyone in our club was that Flyonel was going to make the Missouri-Pacific Set. When I received mine, I was blown away with how beautiful it was and what an incredible job Lionel had done. The years went buy, and there were trips from Utah to San Jose for the Nor-Cal meet, and with me I took enough cash to come home with some real bargains of LN to Mint Flyer from the Golden Years. My collection grew, bigger and bigger, and I enjoyed those wonderful trains and accessories from yesteryear.



I always bought nearly everything Lionel made, because it only was about ONE set a year they would come out with. They were affordable, and always impressive. The Union Pacific set, MP set, NP set, Western Pacific set, the New Haven Electric engine, the Flash set, and many others. I am sure that most of you out there remember how the economy was bursting at the seams with growth during that wonderful decade of the 90's. Our printing plant could barely keep up with all the work coming in.



Then came 9/11...economic downturn, then 2008, the great recession, and gone went the overtime, gone went the double time, gone went the trips to california to buy trains. Never made it to YORK like I always wanted too. So like Stumpy, I have not bought any trains for years, and OH OH how hard it is to keep the "fire of excitement" lit when there is no 'wood to burn' (money) so to speak.



I haven't got into kitbashing, but if I am so stay in this hobby, I will have to. I do very little with my train club now, and the hobby is way on the back burner. I do attend two local shows a year out of about 6. I cannot think that I am the only one out there who has gone through this. I only know, that for years I could not afford the Mikado's, or the new Challengers. It kind of makes me wonder what has happened to the Flyer hobby, how many other people who love American Flyer have had to drop out. I remember many early club meetings around 1990, when I could buy a LN 290 for $75.00, and a beautiful Hudson for $100. Those are the memories of the most fun in our club that I remember. We have lost so many good club memebers over the years because of similar stories.



Wayne



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69737 From: Brady Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: MTH Hell Gate Bridge
An item for the 2013 MTH S catalog..

http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/images/prod_pics/30-90219.jpg

It would look great with traditional New Haven and PRR equipment

http://www.modelmemories.com/lithoHGL.htm


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 69738 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Wayne,
     I suggest that you can still have the fun and adventure brought back into your rail road empire if, as Stumpy, myself and others, you just come to the "DARK SIDE" and start kit bashing. You can make great things happen for pennies once again.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
 


--- On Thu, 5/24/12, Wayne B. <afvair@...> wrote:


From: Wayne B. <afvair@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: High Prices?
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, May 24, 2012, 12:11 PM



 



Stumpy does not know this, but I am one of his fans here.  I have always enjoyed his eloquent comments.  It seems he sees the big picture.  I to bought lots of  trains in years past, and like Stumpy, prices started escalating much faster than my raises at work for the last several years.  At the time 1990-1999 I had a wonderful job that offered overtime weekly.  If you could manage the long hours of work, by thursday night I would have 40 hours in, then friday was another 10 of straight overtime, and anything over 50 hours was double-time pay.  Every saturday was doubletime pay.
 
It was with this wonderful job that I was able to buy  most of my American flyer and Flyonel  sets.  I remember how excited everyone in our club was that Flyonel was going to make the Missouri-Pacific Set.  When I received mine, I was blown away with how beautiful it was and what an incredible job Lionel had done.  The years went buy, and there were trips from Utah to San Jose for the Nor-Cal meet, and with me I took enough cash to come home with some real bargains of LN to Mint Flyer from the Golden Years.  My collection grew, bigger and bigger, and I enjoyed those wonderful trains and accessories from yesteryear.
 
I always bought nearly everything Lionel made, because it only was about ONE set a year they would come out with.  They were affordable, and always impressive.  The Union Pacific set, MP set, NP set, Western Pacific set, the New Haven Electric engine, the Flash set, and many others.   I am sure that most of you out there remember how the economy was bursting at the seams with growth during that wonderful decade of the 90's.  Our printing plant could barely keep up with all the work coming in.
 
Then came 9/11...economic downturn, then 2008, the great recession, and gone went the overtime, gone went the double time, gone went the trips to california to buy trains.  Never made it to YORK like I always wanted too.  So like Stumpy, I have not bought any trains for years, and OH OH how hard it is to keep the "fire of excitement" lit when there is no 'wood to burn' (money) so to speak.
 
I haven't  got into kitbashing, but if I am so stay in this hobby, I will have to.  I do very little with my train club now, and the hobby is way on the back burner. I do attend two local shows a year out of about 6.  I cannot think that I am the only one out there who has gone through this.  I only know, that for years I could not afford the Mikado's, or the new Challengers.  It kind of makes me wonder what has happened to the Flyer hobby, how many other people who love American Flyer have had to drop out.  I remember many early club meetings around 1990, when I could buy a LN 290 for $75.00, and a beautiful Hudson for $100.  Those are the memories of the most fun in our club that I remember.  We have lost so many good club memebers over the years because of similar stories.
 
Wayne

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69739 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Reading Heritage unit (NS)
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=398644&nseq=1

Brady

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69740 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
Well it Seems most of us in same boat, being dissabled vet. I live on a fixed
income, and last 5 years my purchasing power has gone down and down, all I can
do is look and new stuff and dream are plan long term, but right now there are
alot of things I want to catch up on.  But part of the fun is being on the hunt
and planing what I want to purchase and in what order just have to be carefull
and wait for great buys (made a few mistakes here and there on prices).  I dont
blames anyone for the prices, tooling is high without volume sales, and there
are those who have the deep pockets to purchase all the up to date stuff, and
with competition with HO holding the market it will take time for S to make a
comeback if it can.  Someday I do want to buy S helper passanger cars they are
fantastic also at least one of the engines depending on what MTH is able to do,
they will have to compete with Lyonel but bet there prices will be cheeper, and
would suggest (outlandish push for our state) SC has alot of empty production
buildings that are more than large enough with all the cotton mills run out and
no unions would help for production great connections by rail, sea (Charleston)
and roads n/s e/w highways. 

     As a kid I didnt do much with trains, had one small set, but did alot with
ho race cars only recentlly got involved with S scale (more highrail) than
anything, and to be honest there are times if I dont wonder if I made the wrong
choice because of costs and aviability, wonder if I shouldnt have gone with HO
are O gauge it can be frustrating when S is at least 25 percent more expensive
than O and double that for HO, but atlas I just love the two rail and the size
for my fat fingers.  It just tickles me to have a train made in 1947 that runs
with only a little care and cleaning, I am hooked but just wish prices where
more in line.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69741 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
In addition to the other considerations people have raised is the fact that high quality invariably costs more than low quality.  You do often get what you pay for!

I have recently handled a couple of estates that had O Scale equipment (Lionel and other manufacturers) as well as S Scale and I have been shocked at how cheap the O stuff looks when you put it beside S equipment.  Even Lionel's S puts Lionel's O to shame, to say nothing of what AM and SHS do to Lionel's O!  Having seen that comparison first hand, I'm happy to pay more for S, though I can't buy anywhere near as much as I did before I retired.




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From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: High Prices?


 
Well it Seems most of us in same boat, being dissabled vet. I live on a fixed
income, and last 5 years my purchasing power has gone down and down, all I can
do is look and new stuff and dream are plan long term, but right now there are
alot of things I want to catch up on.  But part of the fun is being on the hunt
and planing what I want to purchase and in what order just have to be carefull
and wait for great buys (made a few mistakes here and there on prices).  I dont
blames anyone for the prices, tooling is high without volume sales, and there
are those who have the deep pockets to purchase all the up to date stuff, and
with competition with HO holding the market it will take time for S to make a
comeback if it can.  Someday I do want to buy S helper passanger cars they are
fantastic also at least one of the engines depending on what MTH is able to do,
they will have to compete with Lyonel but bet there prices will be cheeper, and
would suggest (outlandish push for our state) SC has alot of empty production
buildings that are more than large enough with all the cotton mills run out and
no unions would help for production great connections by rail, sea (Charleston)
and roads n/s e/w highways. 

     As a kid I didnt do much with trains, had one small set, but did alot with
ho race cars only recentlly got involved with S scale (more highrail) than
anything, and to be honest there are times if I dont wonder if I made the wrong
choice because of costs and aviability, wonder if I shouldnt have gone with HO
are O gauge it can be frustrating when S is at least 25 percent more expensive
than O and double that for HO, but atlas I just love the two rail and the size
for my fat fingers.  It just tickles me to have a train made in 1947 that runs
with only a little care and cleaning, I am hooked but just wish prices where
more in line.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69742 From: Al Baker Date: 5/24/2012
Subject: Modification to S-Helper Switches
I just completed modification of a pair of manual S-Helper switches to make them operate electrically like American Flyer switches. That is so that when you are operating using the straight "main-line", that the siding has no power, and thus you can have another train parked in a siding. Vice-versa also works.

S-Helper switches are not made to operate that way, and when I asked Don a while back, he seemed uncertain that they could be modified to do that. Anyhow, I have done it. It is not a simple mod, and does require an additional electrical switch to be added. I don't have a powered switch, but I suspect it would also have to have the manual electrical switch added.

My question is, has anyone else done this? Am I the first to have done this, or number 149? I am wondering if someone has figured out a different method?

Al Baker,
Portland
Group: S-Trains Message: 69743 From: Robert Lampe Date: 5/25/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices?
I can't speak for everybody in S but here's how I look at it. I'm the one who brought up the worry that MTH will jack up the prices. A few bucks I won't mind so much but if they more than double the prices that might be a bit much to handle. But if the prices remain similar to what they are now or only a little bit of increase that we can live with. When I first really got going in this hobby I was in HO. My first locomotive was an Athearn GP-7 that cost about $7.95 as did an Athearn F-7. Has anyone priced an Athearn F-7 lately well over $200.00. About the same as a SHS F-7 only smaller. Ever price a Z scale F-7? If there even is one, and I think there is, but my point is Z is spendy but too small N is about the same HO has a lot of variety and a bit bigger and O and G are way too big. 1/8 scale...well I don't have 35 acres to build on...yet maybe one of these days. For me S is the right size at any price and if I have to scratch build that Northern Pacific A-4 well I just hope that Fred Rouse has his S Scale Locomotive and Supply castings in production or that Precision Scale or someone else has the castings I need. Maybe getting back to the basics is what we need.

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: theupstairstrain@...
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 20:58:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: High Prices?


























In addition to the other considerations people have raised is the fact that high quality invariably costs more than low quality. You do often get what you pay for!



I have recently handled a couple of estates that had O Scale equipment (Lionel and other manufacturers) as well as S Scale and I have been shocked at how cheap the O stuff looks when you put it beside S equipment. Even Lionel's S puts Lionel's O to shame, to say nothing of what AM and SHS do to Lionel's O! Having seen that comparison first hand, I'm happy to pay more for S, though I can't buy anywhere near as much as I did before I retired.



________________________________

From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:23 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: High Prices?







Well it Seems most of us in same boat, being dissabled vet. I live on a fixed

income, and last 5 years my purchasing power has gone down and down, all I can

do is look and new stuff and dream are plan long term, but right now there are

alot of things I want to catch up on. But part of the fun is being on the hunt

and planing what I want to purchase and in what order just have to be carefull

and wait for great buys (made a few mistakes here and there on prices). I dont

blames anyone for the prices, tooling is high without volume sales, and there

are those who have the deep pockets to purchase all the up to date stuff, and

with competition with HO holding the market it will take time for S to make a

comeback if it can. Someday I do want to buy S helper passanger cars they are

fantastic also at least one of the engines depending on what MTH is able to do,

they will have to compete with Lyonel but bet there prices will be cheeper, and

would suggest (outlandish push for our state) SC has alot of empty production

buildings that are more than large enough with all the cotton mills run out and

no unions would help for production great connections by rail, sea (Charleston)

and roads n/s e/w highways.



As a kid I didnt do much with trains, had one small set, but did alot with

ho race cars only recentlly got involved with S scale (more highrail) than

anything, and to be honest there are times if I dont wonder if I made the wrong

choice because of costs and aviability, wonder if I shouldnt have gone with HO

are O gauge it can be frustrating when S is at least 25 percent more expensive

than O and double that for HO, but atlas I just love the two rail and the size

for my fat fingers. It just tickles me to have a train made in 1947 that runs

with only a little care and cleaning, I am hooked but just wish prices where

more in line.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69744 From: Joseph H Date: 5/25/2012
Subject: Re: Reading Heritage unit (NS)
My oh my, what a beauty. I hope this one will be at Spencer.

Joe

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69745 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/25/2012
Subject: History repeats itself?
In the "Roaring Twenties" there were no "toy train collectors" as we know them today. But there were people who bought and ran new toy trains because the economy was booming. Prices were rather high, but people bought new trains and sets every year (it was a very seasonal hobby then.)

Lionel, American Flyer, Ives, Dorfan, Carlise & Finch, and others made what Lionel dubbed "Standard Guage" sized trains. These were great big (about the size of today's G scale) beautiful trains! Glossy paint, shiney brass and nickel trim, every bit as classy as a new Duesenberg motorcar was in real life. But along came the Depression, and it all came to a virtual halt.

Before long, there was no money for these wonderful trains because the economy had collapsed (for many of the same reasons it has today, in fact!) If you had enough money to buy toy trains, you were wealthy, but most people were facing the same financial problems that we are right now. Out of this, the hobby of Model Railroading was born of a will to continue and the creativity and imagination of the enthusiasts.

Folks may debate if this is a "Second Great Depression," that history is repeating itself as it often does. But there is no debate that there is a will to continue our hobbies. After all, we need relief from stress more than ever today!

For we S gaugers, we have more product than ever before, even if many of us can't all afford to buy as much of it. We also have more materials and supplies that ever before to modify and build things. Let's buy what we can and fill out our desires by building additional items. There's really no need to wait for something to be manufactured, build your own!

There is an old saying that; "Human beings are at their best when conditions are at their worst." Times might be tough, but we're not ready to give up yet!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69746 From: Brady Burdge Date: 5/25/2012
Subject: Erie Heritage unit (NS)
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=398802&nseq=0

Brady

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69747 From: Clay Buckage Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Re: Reading Heritage unit (NS)
All 20 heritage units are scheduled for a family portrait at Spencer on 7/3-7/4. Check the NS site for the press release. We are taking Amtraks Carolinian to get there. There will also ne a night photo session.

- Clay Buckage

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>My oh my, what a beauty. I hope this one will be at Spencer.
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>Joe
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>> http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=398644&nseq=1
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69748 From: Robert Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Scratchbuilding
Did anyone know or does anyone even remember the late Jess Bennett of Careywood, Idaho? Jess was in my estimate one of the finest S scale locomotive builders I ever met I first started corresponding with him in 1980 or 81. He has to have been in his mid 80's then. By the time I moved to North Idaho in 93 he was probably 92 or 93 by that time maybe even older. His layout was featured in Model Railroader not long before he passed away. Jess built some of the most beautiful Challenger and cab forward locomotives I have ever seen short of the prototype. He used 1 1/2" chrome plated brass sink drain pipe as a boiler base and built a wrapper of brass shim stock that was soldered to it. He used a combination of soldering tools. Soldering gun, soldering iron, propane torch and a home built carbon rod soldering station that worked like a charm. In order for the solder to adhere to the boiler base h would fle or rind the chrome plating off. For the smokebox, which was a slightly smaller diameter, he would cut a short length of pipe then using a hacksaw he would make a cut lengthwise on this short piece so that by compression it would be reduced to 1 3/8"and fit inside the end of the 1 1/2" main boiler base then a smokebox wrapper of the brass shim stock was soldered over this. Jess used many castings by Claude Wade of S Scale Locomotive and supply. Before he passed away Claude had ceased production of his parts and locomotive kits and had sold the company. I don't know that Jess made any more locomotives after that. I often wonder what became of that layout and those beautiful locomotives. That is why I hope that Fred Rouse gets S Scale Locomotive and Supply up and running. I might be tempted to build an NP Northern or Challenger using Jess Bennett's method.
Bob
Formerly in Butte
Group: S-Trains Message: 69749 From: rapidrail1 Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Re: History repeats itself?
To further elaborate on what Stumpy was saying. One of the ways that manufactures cut costs, and thus price, was to reduce the size of the trains. Those big trains were called #1 gauge so manufactures called the new, smaller trains #0 trains, or what we miss-call today, "O" gauge. It is actually supposed to be a number, not a letter and as we all know 0 is a number and "O" is a letter. Then along came the even smaller trains so manufactures naturally called these half 0 or HO. I have been told N scale is called that because the track width is 9mm and nine in almost all languages starts with an "N". Why "Z" is called "Z" is up for debate. Well, I guess all of the above is, but this is what I have determined by studying the history of our hobby. I love history almost as much as I love playing with trains.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> In the "Roaring Twenties" there were no "toy train collectors" as we know them today. But there were people who bought and ran new toy trains because the economy was booming. Prices were rather high, but people bought new trains and sets every year (it was a very seasonal hobby then.)
>
> Lionel, American Flyer, Ives, Dorfan, Carlise & Finch, and others made what Lionel dubbed "Standard Guage" sized trains. These were great big (about the size of today's G scale) beautiful trains! Glossy paint, shiney brass and nickel trim, every bit as classy as a new Duesenberg motorcar was in real life. But along came the Depression, and it all came to a virtual halt.
>
> Before long, there was no money for these wonderful trains because the economy had collapsed (for many of the same reasons it has today, in fact!) If you had enough money to buy toy trains, you were wealthy, but most people were facing the same financial problems that we are right now. Out of this, the hobby of Model Railroading was born of a will to continue and the creativity and imagination of the enthusiasts.
>
> Folks may debate if this is a "Second Great Depression," that history is repeating itself as it often does. But there is no debate that there is a will to continue our hobbies. After all, we need relief from stress more than ever today!
>
> For we S gaugers, we have more product than ever before, even if many of us can't all afford to buy as much of it. We also have more materials and supplies that ever before to modify and build things. Let's buy what we can and fill out our desires by building additional items. There's really no need to wait for something to be manufactured, build your own!
>
> There is an old saying that; "Human beings are at their best when conditions are at their worst." Times might be tough, but we're not ready to give up yet!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69750 From: Rich Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: High Prices and Inflation
One of the issues to think about when comparing prices from 'way back' with today is inflation. For the sake of trying to do some apples to apples comparisons, I picked several items from the 2012 Lionel/Flyer catalog. Since 1956 was the first year the Baldwin diesel switcher appeared, I used 1956 as the comparison year. I used the 1956 Flyer catalog from Chuck Harrington's collection of catalogs at MyFlyerTrains.org. There are a bunch of inflation calculators online (Google it). $1.00 in 1956 is the equivalent of $8.46 in 2012 dollars. In the results shown below I used a multiplier of 8.5. Here's what one gets (first number is 1956 catalog price; second number is 1956 price inflated to 2012; third number is 2012 Lionel catalog price; fourth number is ratio of Lionel to inflated 1956 prices):

Rolling Stock*: $5.95; $50.58; $69.99; 1.4
*Freight cars (box, hopper, tank) are all the same price in the 2012 catalog; likewise in the 1956 catalog, most are the same price.

#774 Floodlight tower: $4.95; $42.07; $199.99; 4.8

Baldwin diesel switcher: $15.00; $127.50; $289.99; 2.3

The freight cars are almost exactly comparable, except for different road or manufacturer's name used for 2012 - so you can see, accounting for inflation over 56 years, the rolling stock is still 40% higher (trucks didn't fall apart in 1956...).

For the floodlight tower - wow - the price is higher by almost a factor of five. Maybe this goes to the point that Stumpy - or someone - noted about limited production? Still, that's a big price jump for something that looks very similar to the original.

The Baldwin diesel is less an apples to apples comparison - more or less the same shell, but the new Lionel version has a can motor, electronic controls, two LED lights (!). The price for it has gone up by more than a factor of two, adjusted for inflation.

FWIW,
Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 69751 From: afjeff_56 Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding
Bob, In my mind Jess was one of the legends in S gauge Model Railroading his layout and rolling stock were just awesome! My only regret is that I didn't get a chance to meet him. Good luck if you do this project...

Jeff S......



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote:
>
> Did anyone know or does anyone even remember the late Jess Bennett of Careywood, Idaho? Jess was in my estimate one of the finest S scale locomotive builders I ever met I first started corresponding with him in 1980 or 81. He has to have been in his mid 80's then. By That is why I hope that Fred Rouse gets S Scale Locomotive and Supply up and running. I might be tempted to build an NP Northern or Challenger using Jess Bennett's method.
> Bob
> Formerly in Butte
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69752 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding
Bob,

You inquired about Jess Bennett's layout and locomotives, and elicited fond memories in several of us, I'm sure. Jess (born July 1914) was my mentor and my friend when I rejoined the hobby in 1995. He invited me to join what was probably the last of the old NASG letter-writing circuits--this one dubbed the "Old Timers' Circuit." Through it, I got to know Jess and other S legends from around the country: Russ Mobley, Gene Fletcher, Al Sonnenberg, Ed Filer, John Beck. This was really before the Internet took fire, and was how we exchanged information about our trains and what was going on in our lives. Although we were scattered from coast to coast, I was fortunate to meet Jess, Russ, Gene, and Ed before they died. These are among the guys who kept the S flame burning during the lean years, and who were master craftsmen, often by necessity. You want it? Build it! (I still have Jess's hand-drawn plans for his turntable--he used cow magnets for track indexing and alignment!)

Yes, Jess's 1,000-square-foot layout, occupying the entire second floor of his home (he not only built the home, he cut and milled the timber from his property in Careywood, Idaho) was an amazing sight to behold. His scratchbuilt locomotives are also legend. After he died, I heard that the layout was busted up and the stock disposed of, but I only heard rumors. Perhaps Bud or one of the other members of Jess's club, the IESGAPN, can fill in the details for us.

We miss you, Jess.

YourS,
John Eichmann
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise, Idaho
www.rockymountainhirailers.com


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69753 From: Bob Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Wiring Washington 21089
S-Gaugers, I need wiring advice for the 21089. I used the excellent wiring drawing that Doug Peck has on Port Lines. However, I'm not an electrical person and my 21089 only runs in reverse. I put a reconditioned smoke unit and e-unit in the engine to make sure I got better connections when I soldered. Following the drawing, I carefully connected the red, green and yellow wires from the engine to the e-unit. Black wires from smoke unit, front and back truck connections on the tender to the e-unit as grounds. Am I missing something here? Do I have a bad e-unit? Is one wire connected wrong?

Need your help members. And, have a great Memorial Day weekend and especially to our great veterans who protect us everyday and those who gave their lives for us in the past!

Take care.

Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 69754 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Scratchbuilding & Jess
Regarding Jess, My partner Sam Rapp and I visited with Jess shortly before
his passing and did a long interview with him on video. We also took more
footing of his layout that is the last ever done. It includes updates that
were done since our last shoot there a few years ago, (Available on other
volumes of ours) We plan to publish this in our next issue of "S-Gauge Model
Railroading video series. (Volume 8). There will be other layouts and info
on it as well. No date issue date yet, but not too long into the future.

Steve
SnS Trains,
Boise


In a message dated 5/26/2012 5:45:24 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
danceswithwolves49@... writes:




Did anyone know or does anyone even remember the late Jess Bennett of
Careywood, Idaho? Jess was in my estimate one of the finest S scale locomotive
builders I ever met I first started corresponding with him in 1980 or 81. He
has to have been in his mid 80's then. By the time I moved to North Idaho
in 93 he was probably 92 or 93 by that time maybe even older. His layout
was featured in Model Railroader not long before he passed away. Jess built
some of the most beautiful Challenger and cab forward locomotives I have
ever seen short of the prototype. He used 1 1/2" chrome plated brass sink
drain pipe as a boiler base and built a wrapper of brass shim stock that was
soldered to it. He used a combination of soldering tools. Soldering gun,
soldering iron, propane torch and a home built carbon rod soldering station
that worked like a charm. In order for the solder to adhere to the boiler base
h would fle or rind the chrome plating off. For the smokebox, which was a
s lightly smaller diameter, he would cut a short length of pipe then using
a hacksaw he would make a cut lengthwise on this short piece so that by
compression it would be reduced to 1 3/8"and fit inside the end of the 1 1/2"
main boiler base then a smokebox wrapper of the brass shim stock was
soldered over this. Jess used many castings by Claude Wade of S Scale Locomotive
and supply. Before he passed away Claude had ceased production of his parts
and locomotive kits and had sold the company. I don't know that Jess made
any more locomotives after that. I often wonder what became of that layout
and those beautiful locomotives. That is why I hope that Fred Rouse gets S
Scale Locomotive and Supply up and running. I might be tempted to build an
NP Northern or Challenger using Jess Bennett's method.
Bob
Formerly in Butte






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69755 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices and Inflation
Nice work Rich. This is the sort of comparison that helps provide
context and some decent entertainment. Furthermore, I am pretty sure it
is close to being on topic since railroads are long-term participants in
the economy.

Thanks,
Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 5/26/2012 9:55 AM, Rich wrote:
> One of the issues to think about when comparing prices from 'way back' with today is inflation. For the sake of trying to do some apples to apples comparisons, I picked several items from the 2012 Lionel/Flyer catalog. Since 1956 was the first year the Baldwin diesel switcher appeared, I used 1956 as the comparison year. I used the 1956 Flyer catalog from Chuck Harrington's collection of catalogs at MyFlyerTrains.org. There are a bunch of inflation calculators online (Google it). $1.00 in 1956 is the equivalent of $8.46 in 2012 dollars. In the results shown below I used a multiplier of 8.5. Here's what one gets (first number is 1956 catalog price; second number is 1956 price inflated to 2012; third number is 2012 Lionel catalog price; fourth number is ratio of Lionel to inflated 1956 prices):
>
> Rolling Stock*: $5.95; $50.58; $69.99; 1.4
> *Freight cars (box, hopper, tank) are all the same price in the 2012 catalog; likewise in the 1956 catalog, most are the same price.
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> #774 Floodlight tower: $4.95; $42.07; $199.99; 4.8
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> Baldwin diesel switcher: $15.00; $127.50; $289.99; 2.3
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> The freight cars are almost exactly comparable, except for different road or manufacturer's name used for 2012 - so you can see, accounting for inflation over 56 years, the rolling stock is still 40% higher (trucks didn't fall apart in 1956...).
>
> For the floodlight tower - wow - the price is higher by almost a factor of five. Maybe this goes to the point that Stumpy - or someone - noted about limited production? Still, that's a big price jump for something that looks very similar to the original.
>
> The Baldwin diesel is less an apples to apples comparison - more or less the same shell, but the new Lionel version has a can motor, electronic controls, two LED lights (!). The price for it has gone up by more than a factor of two, adjusted for inflation.
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> FWIW,
> Rich
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69757 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 5/26/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices and Inflation
Well, I think that illustrates the creativity Lionel uses in their pricing. The stuff is basically pegged to "Greenberg value", and not necessarily cost plus a markup. "Whatever we can get away with"

Steve

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Subject: [S-Trains] High Prices and Inflation
Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 13:55:22 -0000


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69758 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Washington 21089
Do you have the locking lever in the up position?
Steve


In a message dated 5/26/2012 5:29:05 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
aftrains4u@... writes:




S-Gaugers, I need wiring advice for the 21089. I used the excellent wiring
drawing that Doug Peck has on Port Lines. However, I'm not an electrical
person and my 21089 only runs in reverse. I put a reconditioned smoke unit
and e-unit in the engine to make sure I got better connections when I
soldered. Following the drawing, I carefully connected the red, green and yellow
wires from the engine to the e-unit. Black wires from smoke unit, front and
back truck connections on the tender to the e-unit as grounds. Am I missing
something here? Do I have a bad e-unit? Is one wire connected wrong?

Need your help members. And, have a great Memorial Day weekend and
especially to our great veterans who protect us everyday and those who gave their
lives for us in the past!

Take care.

Bob






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69759 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: High prices and Inflation
I was working in a hobby shop during the last few years of the "Post War Lionel" collecting era, and during the coming of MTH onto the scene. Both the shop owners and myself had no illusions as to how Lionel set their prices for O gauge three rail product.

As Steve suggests, the pricing of "new" Lionel followed the trend of the "Post War" market. Remember, at that time, they were still using molds and dies which had been created in the fifties which had been paid for many times. Manufacturing costs were well below what the retail price reflected.

There was some discussion among shop owners that Lionel actually "paid off" contributors to the Greenberg price guides to keep collector prices climbing, even though many train show prices didn't confirm such rises in value. I doubt that money ever really changed hands, but the guides do seem to continually hype values, even in this weak economy.

When MTH came along, they could make easy profits, even as a start up which had to make all new tooling, because the "Post War" O gauge market was so highly over valued. They became Lionel's worst nightmare and forced them to raise the bar on quality and create new products to compete. Otherwise, Lionel would still be pumping out the same old, same old, and pricing it at collector prices.

As MTH debuted so much new product, the customers sold off their old trains and bought the new ones, which depressed the "Post War" market for Lionel, and further fueled the move to create new items. Lionel had lost it's easy market and had to make new stuff as well. Even our Lionel sales reps admitted this many times.

Lionel had never worried about the competition from K-Line, Weaver, or Williams in O gauge, just as they only belatedly recognized the competition of S Helper Service and American Models in S gauge. These were "little guys" with little marketing ability and didn't have the name recognition of Lionel. But when MTH came along and grew big enough to compete head on, the crapola hit the air circulator at Lionel!

There is no question that the steady devaluation of the Dollar is fueling inflation, and costs. Yet, Lionel's pricing is still well out of line with competitors in our gauge. Particularly with all their quality troubles, some of which are cheesy design, others are poor assembly. They're still setting prices by the Greenberg guide, or the new abberation in pricing; the eBay auction.

The entry of their old nemisis MTH into S gauge will eventually cause Lionel to clean up their act, just as it did in O gauge some years ago. But the days of "cheap trains" is over, if it ever really existed.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69760 From: D. Winslow Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices and Inflation
From: <schwartzsj@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] High Prices and Inflation


> Well, I think that illustrates the creativity
> Lionel uses in their pricing. The stuff is
> basically pegged to "Greenberg value", and not
> necessarily cost plus a markup. "Whatever we
> can get away with"
>
> Steve

That makes it pretty much they way we all price
things. We hope to get what something is worth,
based on the market. How is that getting away with
anything?

IBM once priced based as you suggest. They would
divide the very high development and tooling
expense by the total number of units they expected
to sell to get the first part of the cost. They
added manufacturing costs, (much less), marketing,
overhead, and 25% profit margin. They could "get
away with this" because they were a virtual
monopoly and didn't need to worry about the
market.

Dave W.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69761 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Washington 21089
Hi Bob

It sounds as if you wired it right it maybe the lever is locked in the reverse position try moving the lever if that's not it you may have a bad unit.

Good luck Stan
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 5:38 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring Washington 21089



S-Gaugers, I need wiring advice for the 21089. I used the excellent wiring drawing that Doug Peck has on Port Lines. However, I'm not an electrical person and my 21089 only runs in reverse. I put a reconditioned smoke unit and e-unit in the engine to make sure I got better connections when I soldered. Following the drawing, I carefully connected the red, green and yellow wires from the engine to the e-unit. Black wires from smoke unit, front and back truck connections on the tender to the e-unit as grounds. Am I missing something here? Do I have a bad e-unit? Is one wire connected wrong?

Need your help members. And, have a great Memorial Day weekend and especially to our great veterans who protect us everyday and those who gave their lives for us in the past!

Take care.

Bob





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69762 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Washington 21089
Good morning Steve. Yes the locking lever is in the up position. No change.



Bob



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boss31@...
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 2:07 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring Washington 21089





Do you have the locking lever in the up position?
Steve


In a message dated 5/26/2012 5:29:05 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
aftrains4u@... <mailto:aftrains4u%40yahoo.com> writes:

S-Gaugers, I need wiring advice for the 21089. I used the excellent wiring
drawing that Doug Peck has on Port Lines. However, I'm not an electrical
person and my 21089 only runs in reverse. I put a reconditioned smoke unit
and e-unit in the engine to make sure I got better connections when I
soldered. Following the drawing, I carefully connected the red, green and yellow
wires from the engine to the e-unit. Black wires from smoke unit, front and
back truck connections on the tender to the e-unit as grounds. Am I missing
something here? Do I have a bad e-unit? Is one wire connected wrong?

Need your help members. And, have a great Memorial Day weekend and
especially to our great veterans who protect us everyday and those who gave their
lives for us in the past!

Take care.

Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69763 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Washington 21089
Hi Stan. I'll try to reposition the lever. Thanks. Have a great Holiday.



Bob



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Stanley Sobieski
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:14 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring Washington 21089





Hi Bob

It sounds as if you wired it right it maybe the lever is locked in the
reverse position try moving the lever if that's not it you may have a bad
unit.

Good luck Stan
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 5:38 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring Washington 21089

S-Gaugers, I need wiring advice for the 21089. I used the excellent wiring
drawing that Doug Peck has on Port Lines. However, I'm not an electrical
person and my 21089 only runs in reverse. I put a reconditioned smoke unit
and e-unit in the engine to make sure I got better connections when I
soldered. Following the drawing, I carefully connected the red, green and
yellow wires from the engine to the e-unit. Black wires from smoke unit,
front and back truck connections on the tender to the e-unit as grounds. Am
I missing something here? Do I have a bad e-unit? Is one wire connected
wrong?

Need your help members. And, have a great Memorial Day weekend and
especially to our great veterans who protect us everyday and those who gave
their lives for us in the past!

Take care.

Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69764 From: roninscho Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Washington 21089
the lever should be in the down position , if that is not the problem then try switching the wires to the brushes , as it could run but only in direction if wired backwards
Group: S-Trains Message: 69765 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
how long is the sale at shs

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69766 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Washington 21089
Pull it down....
Steve


In a message dated 5/27/2012 8:40:14 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
biannaco@... writes:




Good morning Steve. Yes the locking lever is in the up position. No change.

Bob

From: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
[mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf
Of _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...)
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 2:07 AM
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring Washington 21089

Do you have the locking lever in the up position?
Steve

In a message dated 5/26/2012 5:29:05 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
_aftrains4u@..._ (mailto:aftrains4u@...)
<mailto:aftrains4u%40yahoo.com> writes:

S-Gaugers, I need wiring advice for the 21089. I used the excellent wiring
drawing that Doug Peck has on Port Lines. However, I'm not an electrical
person and my 21089 only runs in reverse. I put a reconditioned smoke unit
and e-unit in the engine to make sure I got better connections when I
soldered. Following the drawing, I carefully connected the red, green and
yellow
wires from the engine to the e-unit. Black wires from smoke unit, front
and
back truck connections on the tender to the e-unit as grounds. Am I
missing
something here? Do I have a bad e-unit? Is one wire connected wrong?

Need your help members. And, have a great Memorial Day weekend and
especially to our great veterans who protect us everyday and those who
gave their
lives for us in the past!

Take care.

Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69767 From: David Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Marker Light Jewels (Advertisement)
Beginning June 1, 2012 we will have AF steam engine marker light
jewels in red & green that will actually fit. These jewels are 2mm in
size and actually fit in the AF marker lamp and are scale size to these
lamps.

The price will be $00.15 ea. or 20 for $2.50

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc
Group: S-Trains Message: 69768 From: Robert Conner Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
And whats left.......

--- On Sun, 5/27/12, Noplowboy@... <Noplowboy@...> wrote:

From: Noplowboy@... <Noplowboy@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS sale
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 27, 2012, 2:02 PM
















 









how long is the sale at shs



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69769 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Dear Mr. Plowboy,
Right now our sale runs out until the end of May. Last week was rather busy with over 18 items selling out. Poor Bill Clark has had to update our website online order form every day.
Don

Noplowboy@... wrote:

> how long is the sale at shs
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69770 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
This link is to the latest order form...
Don

http://stacktalk.com/updates/V24N2-3OF.pdf

On May 27, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Robert Conner wrote:

> And whats left.......
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> --- On Sun, 5/27/12, Noplowboy@... <Noplowboy@...> wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS sale
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69771 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69772 From: Bill Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Jess Bennett
I had the good fortune to meet Jess a few years back and visited his layout a couple times when he hosted the IES club. I'm an HO'er but my friend Bruce Renshaw is an avid S-gauger. He and I drove the 150 miles north to see the layout and it was definetly worth the gas.I will try to post this link to a KXLY video on youtube made not long before he passed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jXvp_8BDOY&feature=fvwp&NR=1
Bill in Lewiston,Idaho
Group: S-Trains Message: 69773 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Washington 21089
Hi Ron. Your suggestion on the wires to the brushes was the solution. I
never thought to inspect the engine wiring. The yellow and red wires were
reversed. So, I moved and soldered them correctly. It runs great in
forward, however, it won't run in reverse. I moved the lever up and down on
the e-unit, but it only runs forward. I may have a bad e-unit. I don't
know. I checked all the wiring with a Franklin that I have in the
collection and everything looks OK. Thanks again for your suggestion. Have
a great Memorial Day.



Bob



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of roninscho
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 12:32 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Wiring Washington 21089







the lever should be in the down position , if that is not the problem then
try switching the wires to the brushes , as it could run but only in
direction if wired backwards





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69774 From: Robert Lampe Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Jess Bennett
Thanks Bill it was great to see and Hear Jess once again and see the layout again.
Bob
Formerly from Butte

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: reklein72@...
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 22:04:42 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Jess Bennett


























I had the good fortune to meet Jess a few years back and visited his layout a couple times when he hosted the IES club. I'm an HO'er but my friend Bruce Renshaw is an avid S-gauger. He and I drove the 150 miles north to see the layout and it was definetly worth the gas.I will try to post this link to a KXLY video on youtube made not long before he passed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jXvp_8BDOY&feature=fvwp&NR=1

Bill in Lewiston,Idaho


















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Group: S-Trains Message: 69775 From: Gale Hall Date: 5/27/2012
Subject: Re: Jess Bennett
Bill,


Thanks for posting this. Jess was a good friend and a true Gentleman.

gale hall
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 5:04 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Jess Bennett



I had the good fortune to meet Jess a few years back and visited his layout a couple times when he hosted the IES club. I'm an HO'er but my friend Bruce Renshaw is an avid S-gauger. He and I drove the 150 miles north to see the layout and it was definetly worth the gas.I will try to post this link to a KXLY video on youtube made not long before he passed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jXvp_8BDOY&feature=fvwp&NR=1
Bill in Lewiston,Idaho





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69776 From: boxcar4willhe Date: 5/28/2012
Subject: Re: High Prices, lifes challenges and scratch building
Hi Bob and all,

Sounds similar to my story. I had the title of greenhouse manager with a modest salary. One of the owners I worked for put me on salary because he couldn't afford to pay me all the overtime it took to get everything done. A later owner made a mistake in my favor when giving me a rare raise. They didn't take it away. I even had health insurance when I was young enough to not need it much. I even was able to put some money in an IRA. I had not restarted my involvement with toy trains at that point but chased the real thing when I could.
Then about five years ago the fourth owner sold the greenhouse and moved the business to a smaller shop. I had to take a cut in pay to hourly and lost my health insurance. Now I am lucky to get 25 hours a week in the slow months and very little overtime. I sure mi
I restarted my train hobby about four years ago and I managed to buy some trains adding to my childhood trains. Now I have to slow way down until I can take care of other matters in my life. I can not afford to get sick and I have to hold out to 67 to retire although I probably never will completely retire. I just bought a large amount of various sizes of scratch building wood. Maybe that is the way to go although I will have to learn about paints and finishes. I have joined several yahoo groups to get inspiration and share in the hobby. Lo

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote:
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> Bob
> Formerly from Butte
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> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69777 From: Bob Moyer Date: 5/29/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Don:

Just a quick email to you and everyone at SHS. I was wondering if the SHS
open house is still scheduled for Friday June 8th starting at 10:00AM. I
believe I've been going to them since 2003 or 2004. Please let me know.

Regards

Bob Moyer

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:

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> Dear Mr. Plowboy,
> Right now our sale runs out until the end of May. Last week was rather
> busy with over 18 items selling out. Poor Bill Clark has had to update our
> website online order form every day.
> Don
>
> Noplowboy@... wrote:
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69778 From: sscalemn Date: 5/29/2012
Subject: 2010 NASG National Convention CGW Creco Door X-29 Box Car
I just got off the phone with Ron Sebastian of S Scale America, the supplier for the 2010 NASG National Convention Car. Ron has received back most of the tooling and some unassembled small plastic parts from Sanda Kan, the Chinese builder originally contracted to build, assemble and paint the car. As most of you are aware, Sanda Kan pulled the plug on many model railroad manufacturers choosing to work only with a small subset of the larger companies. With tooling received back, Ron had a sample of the box car body, including the Creco door, created here in the USA. Unfortunately, the tooling for the base of the car, including the underbody detail, had not been created. Ron then contracted a USA firm to do the tooling for the base. Ron received the first pass base sample and it was found to be the wrong size (too long). Hopefully, a new corrected sample will be available in the next couple of months. The trucks and couplers are the final pieces that will establish when we can finally begin to ship the convention cars. Sanda Kan has been unable to locate the tooling for the AF compatible knuckle couplers. The small parts received back included un-assembled wheel sets (no axles) and some parts for the trucks. So I am still unable to set a date for when you, who paid for these convention cars, can expect to receive your shipment. Please note that the Pines and Prairies S Scale Workshop still guarantees that you will receive either your car(s) or your money back.

Thank you for your patience with this very long wait.

Walt Jopke
Group: S-Trains Message: 69779 From: Don Thompson Date: 5/29/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
Dear Bob,
Yes, we are all set for what maybe our last June Open House. The tent and grill have been ordered, we now have the fire permit for the canopy and grill. All we now need is a sunny day and to get the grub...
Don



On May 29, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Bob Moyer wrote:

> Don:
>
> Just a quick email to you and everyone at SHS. I was wondering if the SHS
> open house is still scheduled for Friday June 8th starting at 10:00AM. I
> believe I've been going to them since 2003 or 2004. Please let me know.
>
> Regards
>
> Bob Moyer
>
> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Dear Mr. Plowboy,
> > Right now our sale runs out until the end of May. Last week was rather
> > busy with over 18 items selling out. Poor Bill Clark has had to update our
> > website online order form every day.
> > Don
> >
> > Noplowboy@... wrote:
> >
> > > how long is the sale at shs
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69780 From: wb4hay Date: 5/30/2012
Subject: ACL Cabooses
Does any one have one or two ACL cabooses they would like to get rid of?? 2nd question: How did cabooses get to be cabooses?????? (name)

Kelly
Group: S-Trains Message: 69781 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 5/30/2012
Subject: Re: ACL Cabooses
No, I have no cabooses. However, I can tell you how they came to be. On early freight trains (well before the Civil War) the Conductor rode in the locomotive cab, or if a passenger/freight "mixed train" in a coach. Remember that in those days, he had to do paperwork and carry all his supplies with him to do it, plus fusees and other items.
Although the first to come up with the idea of a separate car for Conductor and brakemen to ride in is still debated, some say that a Chicago & Northwestern Conductor "appropriated" a boxcar to become his "office." Still another story is that a Conductor found a boxcar with a hole in the roof and used that so that he could watch his train but duck inside to do his paperwork. Some railroads even put wooden benches atop certain boxcars for the train crew to watch ahead, a practice which survived in local transfer work into the forties on a couple of roads.
The Conductor heeded an "all weather" office, with "lookout" to watch his train ahead, and store supplies. On long trips, there was the need for sleeping quarters and food preparation. A common boxcar was a problem to get on and off, so something with platforms like a coach was needed. This led to the design of the caboose. The color red was thought to be a "safety" color to put at the end of the train in that era of telegraph scheduling and poor signaling.
The traditional purpose built car came along after the Civil War and quickly found a spot among railroad car manufacturers catalogs, particularly those with passenger car experience. The terms "caboose" and cupola" are based on nautical terms, by the way.
There is much more to the story, but space does not permit further details here.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69782 From: Carey Probst Date: 5/30/2012
Subject: Re: ACL Cabooses
Lots of space here and won't even kill any trees. It is train related
after all.

Carey

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


On 5/30/2012 7:22 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
>
> No, I have no cabooses. However, I can tell you how they came to be.
> On early freight trains (well before the Civil War) the Conductor rode
> in the locomotive cab, or if a passenger/freight "mixed train" in a
> coach. Remember that in those days, he had to do paperwork and carry
> all his supplies with him to do it, plus fusees and other items.
> Although the first to come up with the idea of a separate car for
> Conductor and brakemen to ride in is still debated, some say that a
> Chicago & Northwestern Conductor "appropriated" a boxcar to become his
> "office." Still another story is that a Conductor found a boxcar with
> a hole in the roof and used that so that he could watch his train but
> duck inside to do his paperwork. Some railroads even put wooden
> benches atop certain boxcars for the train crew to watch ahead, a
> practice which survived in local transfer work into the forties on a
> couple of roads.
> The Conductor heeded an "all weather" office, with "lookout" to watch
> his train ahead, and store supplies. On long trips, there was the need
> for sleeping quarters and food preparation. A common boxcar was a
> problem to get on and off, so something with platforms like a coach
> was needed. This led to the design of the caboose. The color red was
> thought to be a "safety" color to put at the end of the train in that
> era of telegraph scheduling and poor signaling.
> The traditional purpose built car came along after the Civil War and
> quickly found a spot among railroad car manufacturers catalogs,
> particularly those with passenger car experience. The terms "caboose"
> and cupola" are based on nautical terms, by the way.
> There is much more to the story, but space does not permit further
> details here.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69783 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 5/30/2012
Subject: Re: SHS sale
sell with shs ends may 30 2012 per email from them



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Moyer <romoyer1@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 10:48 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS sale




Don:

Just a quick email to you and everyone at SHS. I was wondering if the SHS
open house is still scheduled for Friday June 8th starting at 10:00AM. I
believe I've been going to them since 2003 or 2004. Please let me know.

Regards

Bob Moyer

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Dear Mr. Plowboy,
> Right now our sale runs out until the end of May. Last week was rather
> busy with over 18 items selling out. Poor Bill Clark has had to update our
> website online order form every day.
> Don
>
> Noplowboy@... wrote:
>
> > how long is the sale at shs
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69784 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 5/30/2012
Subject: Re: ACL Cabooses
Roger that. Carry on MrStumpy J



Ben





From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Carey Probst
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:20 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: ACL Cabooses





Lots of space here and won't even kill any trees. It is train related
after all.

Carey

Carey Probst






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69785 From: David Date: 6/1/2012
Subject: Marker Light Jewels Are Here (Advertisement)
Our 2mm marker light jewels are at our web site now at:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html>

and the price is as was stated before: $00.15 ea or $2.50 for twenty
(20). Both RED & GREEN same price.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69786 From: David Date: 6/1/2012
Subject: Drop Coupler Pilot Assy. For ATLANTICS (Advertisement)
We now have our NEW Drop Coupler Fitting w/ Coupler for pre-1966
ATLANTIC engines. This fitting is made from milled aircraft grade
aluminum and actually has steps. This fitting glues to the front of your
ATLANTIC after filling the cow catcher flush.

Now your old broken front ATLANTIC can have a NEW lease on life as a
true SWITCH ENGINE.

May be seen at our web site at:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html>

The first shipping date for this GREAT NEW PART is 06-15-2012.

We also have a new shipment of NORTHERN WHEEL HUBS on page:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>

Only $4.25 ea. which includes shipping.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69787 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 6/1/2012
Subject: Fwd: model railroad 75th dvd
> hi:
> does anyone have a copy of this dvd, trying to locate the isuse
> that had drawings in it,,
> for the palm bay florida freight station, it appeared sometime in
> the 60's or 70's
> thank you
> mel perry
Group: S-Trains Message: 69788 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/2/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/3/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday June 3, 2012
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 2 minutes.
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Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69789 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/3/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/3/2012, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday June 3, 2012
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
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Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69790 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 6/4/2012
Subject: S-Helper Engines Wanted
The this group,
If anyone has any of the following SHS engines in new or used condition and would like to sell them I would be greatly interested. Email me at anytime.

two - S-Helper NW-2s

two - S-Helper SW-8s

two - S-Helper F-3 or F-7 A Units

two - S-Helper F-3 or F-7 B Units

Road name not important.

Thanks,

Harwood Owings


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69791 From: Gale Hall Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: S-Helper Engines Wanted
Harwood,

Wish I could help, but what I was wanting to ask is this: Do you have any idea what is wrong with the list? Yours is the first posting in about two days..I tried to post the other day and it has yet to show up...


gale hall
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 7:52 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper Engines Wanted




The this group,
If anyone has any of the following SHS engines in new or used condition and would like to sell them I would be greatly interested. Email me at anytime.

two - S-Helper NW-2s

two - S-Helper SW-8s

two - S-Helper F-3 or F-7 A Units

two - S-Helper F-3 or F-7 B Units

Road name not important.

Thanks,

Harwood Owings

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69792 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: S-Helper Engines Wanted
No, what is wrong with my list?

Harwood



-----Original Message-----
From: Gale Hall <frisco91@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 5, 2012 7:02 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Helper Engines Wanted




Harwood,

Wish I could help, but what I was wanting to ask is this: Do you have any idea what is wrong with the list? Yours is the first posting in about two days..I tried to post the other day and it has yet to show up...

gale hall
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 7:52 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper Engines Wanted

The this group,
If anyone has any of the following SHS engines in new or used condition and would like to sell them I would be greatly interested. Email me at anytime.

two - S-Helper NW-2s

two - S-Helper SW-8s

two - S-Helper F-3 or F-7 A Units

two - S-Helper F-3 or F-7 B Units

Road name not important.

Thanks,

Harwood Owings

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69793 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Quiet Times
I have noticed that all the Yahoo groups which I'm a member of have been less active of late. Three have had "No Activity" in over a week!While some of this may be due to the Yahoo maintenance, I think that it is mostly just the typical summer "Quiet Time," when everyone is away from their indoor hobby endevours.
Only the auto racing websites become more active in summer, but then that's an outdoor activity. I imagine that if I were into gardening this would be an active time as well.
As for myself, I have been doing a lot of yard work this Spring, trying to get the extra stuff done before the really hot weather starts. This has been aggravated by a contractor clearing the land next to me for a new house. He seemed unaware of where the property lines are on either side and drove his dozer and trackhoe across my driveway and part of my yard, and the neighbor's yard.
The equipment has been taken away, but he left two acreas of bare dirt unsecured on a hillside and it moves during every heavy rain. It floods my lower drive and the State road. Needless to say, the neighborhood and the highway departmnent are not amused either!
Ah, it's the summer of fun!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69794 From: Frank Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Being Yahoo was sold, it might have a lot to do with its operation. Didn't some groups also get hacked ? I also noticed many large Train/Hobby stores have cut down on their ads in train mags. Could be our poor economy ?
Maybe it is the high prices of model trains. Just think, an S scale engine in most markets cost more then a 54 Chevy or Ford did back then. LTI engines from the ACG era cost more and are basically the same product. Humm,how much would a new built 54 auto cost if made today ?
Well time to run my 312 passenger set from the 50's ,
Frank.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 5, 2012, at 8:47 AM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

> I have noticed that all the Yahoo groups which I'm a member of have been less active of late. Three have had "No Activity" in over a week!While some of this may be due to the Yahoo maintenance, I think that it is mostly just the typical summer "Quiet Time," when everyone is away from their indoor hobby endevours.
> Only the auto racing websites become more active in summer, but then that's an outdoor activity. I imagine that if I were into gardening this would be an active time as well.
> As for myself, I have been doing a lot of yard work this Spring, trying to get the extra stuff done before the really hot weather starts. This has been aggravated by a contractor clearing the land next to me for a new house. He seemed unaware of where the property lines are on either side and drove his dozer and trackhoe across my driveway and part of my yard, and the neighbor's yard.
> The equipment has been taken away, but he left two acreas of bare dirt unsecured on a hillside and it moves during every heavy rain. It floods my lower drive and the State road. Needless to say, the neighborhood and the highway departmnent are not amused either!
> Ah, it's the summer of fun!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69795 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Could it also be because of the Queens diamond whatever?


In a message dated 6/5/2012 6:06:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mrstumpy@... writes:




I have noticed that all the Yahoo groups which I'm a member of have been
less active of late. Three have had "No Activity" in over a week!While some
of this may be due to the Yahoo maintenance, I think that it is mostly just
the typical summer "Quiet Time," when everyone is away from their indoor
hobby endevours.
Only the auto racing websites become more active in summer, but then
that's an outdoor activity. I imagine that if I were into gardening this would
be an active time as well.
As for myself, I have been doing a lot of yard work this Spring, trying to
get the extra stuff done before the really hot weather starts. This has
been aggravated by a contractor clearing the land next to me for a new house.
He seemed unaware of where the property lines are on either side and drove
his dozer and trackhoe across my driveway and part of my yard, and the
neighbor's yard.
The equipment has been taken away, but he left two acreas of bare dirt
unsecured on a hillside and it moves during every heavy rain. It floods my
lower drive and the State road. Needless to say, the neighborhood and the
highway departmnent are not amused either!
Ah, it's the summer of fun!
Stumpy in Ahia






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69796 From: R G Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Just because it is summer does not mean that all of us have put away our trains for the season.  I have been doing some modifications of passenger cars to create the Santa Fe El Capitan.  I took American Models Amtrak Hi Level cars stripped the paint off of them and repainted and changed their trucks to the standard passenger car trucks that were on their discontinued smooth side passenger cars,  I took a Flyer  streamlined combo car and made it into a transition car.  While it is not an exact copy of the transition car it captures the essence of the car.  I still have the lettering to complete.  These cars will be pulled by my S-Helper Santa Fe F-7 ABA set.



________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:47 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Quiet Times


 
I have noticed that all the Yahoo groups which I'm a member of have been less active of late. Three have had "No Activity" in over a week!While some of this may be due to the Yahoo maintenance, I think that it is mostly just the typical summer "Quiet Time," when everyone is away from their indoor hobby endevours.
Only the auto racing websites become more active in summer, but then that's an outdoor activity. I imagine that if I were into gardening this would be an active time as well.
As for myself, I have been doing a lot of yard work this Spring, trying to get the extra stuff done before the really hot weather starts. This has been aggravated by a contractor clearing the land next to me for a new house. He seemed unaware of where the property lines are on either side and drove his dozer and trackhoe across my driveway and part of my yard, and the neighbor's yard.
The equipment has been taken away, but he left two acreas of bare dirt unsecured on a hillside and it moves during every heavy rain. It floods my lower drive and the State road. Needless to say, the neighborhood and the highway departmnent are not amused either!
Ah, it's the summer of fun!
Stumpy in Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69797 From: R G Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
I have added two photos under Rich's American Flyer of pictures of the El Capitan cars. I still have to do the lettering.



________________________________
From: R G <keyhole_corona@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quiet Times


 
Just because it is summer does not mean that all of us have put away our trains for the season.  I have been doing some modifications of passenger cars to create the Santa Fe El Capitan.  I took American Models Amtrak Hi Level cars stripped the paint off of them and repainted and changed their trucks to the standard passenger car trucks that were on their discontinued smooth side passenger cars,  I took a Flyer  streamlined combo car and made it into a transition car.  While it is not an exact copy of the transition car it captures the essence of the car.  I still have the lettering to complete.  These cars will be pulled by my S-Helper Santa Fe F-7 ABA set.

________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:47 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Quiet Times


 
I have noticed that all the Yahoo groups which I'm a member of have been less active of late. Three have had "No Activity" in over a week!While some of this may be due to the Yahoo maintenance, I think that it is mostly just the typical summer "Quiet Time," when everyone is away from their indoor hobby endevours.
Only the auto racing websites become more active in summer, but then that's an outdoor activity. I imagine that if I were into gardening this would be an active time as well.
As for myself, I have been doing a lot of yard work this Spring, trying to get the extra stuff done before the really hot weather starts. This has been aggravated by a contractor clearing the land next to me for a new house. He seemed unaware of where the property lines are on either side and drove his dozer and trackhoe across my driveway and part of my yard, and the neighbor's yard.
The equipment has been taken away, but he left two acreas of bare dirt unsecured on a hillside and it moves during every heavy rain. It floods my lower drive and the State road. Needless to say, the neighborhood and the highway departmnent are not amused either!
Ah, it's the summer of fun!
Stumpy in Ahia

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69798 From: Frank Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Nice photos. What did you do to take the Amtrak colors off. I am working on the same project, but will add a B unit (ABBA).
Frank

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 5, 2012, at 12:14 PM, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:

> I have added two photos under Rich's American Flyer of pictures of the El Capitan cars. I still have to do the lettering.
>
> ________________________________
> From: R G <keyhole_corona@...>
> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 10:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quiet Times
>
>
>
> Just because it is summer does not mean that all of us have put away our trains for the season. I have been doing some modifications of passenger cars to create the Santa Fe El Capitan. I took American Models Amtrak Hi Level cars stripped the paint off of them and repainted and changed their trucks to the standard passenger car trucks that were on their discontinued smooth side passenger cars, I took a Flyer streamlined combo car and made it into a transition car. While it is not an exact copy of the transition car it captures the essence of the car. I still have the lettering to complete. These cars will be pulled by my S-Helper Santa Fe F-7 ABA set.
>
> ________________________________
> From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:47 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Quiet Times
>
>
> I have noticed that all the Yahoo groups which I'm a member of have been less active of late. Three have had "No Activity" in over a week!While some of this may be due to the Yahoo maintenance, I think that it is mostly just the typical summer "Quiet Time," when everyone is away from their indoor hobby endevours.
> Only the auto racing websites become more active in summer, but then that's an outdoor activity. I imagine that if I were into gardening this would be an active time as well.
> As for myself, I have been doing a lot of yard work this Spring, trying to get the extra stuff done before the really hot weather starts. This has been aggravated by a contractor clearing the land next to me for a new house. He seemed unaware of where the property lines are on either side and drove his dozer and trackhoe across my driveway and part of my yard, and the neighbor's yard.
> The equipment has been taken away, but he left two acreas of bare dirt unsecured on a hillside and it moves during every heavy rain. It floods my lower drive and the State road. Needless to say, the neighborhood and the highway departmnent are not amused either!
> Ah, it's the summer of fun!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69799 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
OK but forget the trains cost more than a Chevy business - you need to talk real
money values allowing for inflation and trains back then - compared to today,
actually often cost more in real terms or compared to wages then and now. Alistair

On Wed 06/06/12 12:43 AM , Frank femiro2002@... sent:
> Being Yahoo was sold, it might have a lot to do with its operation.
> Didn't some groups also get hacked ? I also noticed many large
> Train/Hobby stores have cut down on their ads in train mags. Could be
> our poor economy ?
> Maybe it is the high prices of model trains. Just think, an S scale
> engine in most markets cost more then a 54 Chevy or Ford did back
> then. LTI engines from the ACG era cost more and are basically the
> same product. Humm,how much would a new built 54 auto cost if made
> today ?
> Well time to run my 312 passenger set from the 50's ,
> Frank.
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 5, 2012, at 8:47 AM, "mrstumpy50" wrote:
> > I have noticed that all the Yahoo groups which I'm a member of
> have been less active of late. Three have had "No Activity" in over a
> week!While some of this may be due to the Yahoo maintenance, I think
> that it is mostly just the typical summer "Quiet Time," when everyone
> is away from their indoor hobby endevours.
> > Only the auto racing websites become more active in summer, but
> then that's an outdoor activity. I imagine that if I were into
> gardening this would be an active time as well.
> > As for myself, I have been doing a lot of yard work this Spring,
> trying to get the extra stuff done before the really hot weather
> starts. This has been aggravated by a contractor clearing the land
> next to me for a new house. He seemed unaware of where the property
> lines are on either side and drove his dozer and trackhoe across my
> driveway and part of my yard, and the neighbor's yard.
> > The equipment has been taken away, but he left two acreas of bare
> dirt unsecured on a hillside and it moves during every heavy rain. It
> floods my lower drive and the State road. Needless to say, the
> neighborhood and the highway departmnent are not amused either!
> > Ah, it's the summer of fun!
> > Stumpy in Ahia
> >
> >
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69800 From: racin510 Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Talking Station Fine Tune
Does anyone know if the cam contacts can be fine tuned to change exactly when the train is released. Mine releases just as the All Aboard is given .... and a bunch of people are left waiting 8 hours for the next Rocket express. I see a set screw in one of the cam lobes, which could be for adjustment or could be just for securing it to the shaft.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69801 From: Frank Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Sounds right

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 5, 2012, at 4:23 PM, alizoo@... wrote:

> OK but forget the trains cost more than a Chevy business - you need to talk real
> money values allowing for inflation and trains back then - compared to today,
> actually often cost more in real terms or compared to wages then and now. Alistair
>
> On Wed 06/06/12 12:43 AM , Frank femiro2002@... sent:
> > Being Yahoo was sold, it might have a lot to do with its operation.
> > Didn't some groups also get hacked ? I also noticed many large
> > Train/Hobby stores have cut down on their ads in train mags. Could be
> > our poor economy ?
> > Maybe it is the high prices of model trains. Just think, an S scale
> > engine in most markets cost more then a 54 Chevy or Ford did back
> > then. LTI engines from the ACG era cost more and are basically the
> > same product. Humm,how much would a new built 54 auto cost if made
> > today ?
> > Well time to run my 312 passenger set from the 50's ,
> > Frank.
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > On Jun 5, 2012, at 8:47 AM, "mrstumpy50" wrote:
> > > I have noticed that all the Yahoo groups which I'm a member of
> > have been less active of late. Three have had "No Activity" in over a
> > week!While some of this may be due to the Yahoo maintenance, I think
> > that it is mostly just the typical summer "Quiet Time," when everyone
> > is away from their indoor hobby endevours.
> > > Only the auto racing websites become more active in summer, but
> > then that's an outdoor activity. I imagine that if I were into
> > gardening this would be an active time as well.
> > > As for myself, I have been doing a lot of yard work this Spring,
> > trying to get the extra stuff done before the really hot weather
> > starts. This has been aggravated by a contractor clearing the land
> > next to me for a new house. He seemed unaware of where the property
> > lines are on either side and drove his dozer and trackhoe across my
> > driveway and part of my yard, and the neighbor's yard.
> > > The equipment has been taken away, but he left two acreas of bare
> > dirt unsecured on a hillside and it moves during every heavy rain. It
> > floods my lower drive and the State road. Needless to say, the
> > neighborhood and the highway departmnent are not amused either!
> > > Ah, it's the summer of fun!
> > > Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69802 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: A cost comparison
As many of you know, I'm a "car guy." too. Driven out of building real Hot Rods several years back, I returned to slot cars. In the past two years, I have been racing vintage Thunderjet HO cars. Yes, they are STILL available brand new OLD stock!
This is not the HO racing of our youth! Basic chassis sell for only $15., but the modifications to run up front in the top class cost about $150. unless you do them yourself. I do my own, so the parts cost me about $60. I now have two of these cars. My best Feature finish has been third in this class.
The group I am running with runs five classes (four are "Stock" classes and pretty cheap...I LIKE them!) at different meets twice a month for a seven month season, with the race closest to me being 20 miles away, and the farthest from me being 75 miles away at $3.60+ dollars per gallon. (Needless to say, I run a "limited schedule!"
The "serious" racers have custom tracks CNC machined of Sintra and no longer use the sectional type track. This means that it is machined in as little as two pieces to give an extremely smooth track. A 4x8 oval starts at $800. and you build the table, provide the computer for scoring, and a seperate matched power source for each lane. Most of the tracks in this group are in the area of 8xs16 feet and are road courses, costing about $2500. for the machined trackage alone. Of course, I do not have a track, so I'm already at a disadvantage to those who have one at hand to practice on.
This is auto racing, and as Ed Winfield said at his racing shop in the Twenties; "Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?" I have spent about $800. building, maintaining, and repairing race cars in a little over two years of racing, or the cost of a new Flyonel articulated steam loco. Just like my S gauge endeavors, if I didn't do all the work myself, and buy parts a little at a time, it would cost MUCH more! Yet, I finished in the top ten in points this season!
The point of this is that EVERY hobby can be expensive! To paraphrase old Ed Winfield; "Hobbies cost money, how fancy do you want to go?"
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69803 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Re: A cost comparison
Thanks for that info Stumpy. Since the Aurora cars were really close to
1:64, this note seems on topic to me.

Does anyone work on the cars to get them to run reliably slow - at scale
speeds? I see that as a challenge the solution to which would enhance
our trains.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 6/7/2012 8:53 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
> As many of you know, I'm a "car guy." too. Driven out of building real Hot Rods several years back, I returned to slot cars. In the past two years, I have been racing vintage Thunderjet HO cars. Yes, they are STILL available brand new OLD stock!
> This is not the HO racing of our youth! Basic chassis sell for only $15., but the modifications to run up front in the top class cost about $150. unless you do them yourself. I do my own, so the parts cost me about $60. I now have two of these cars. My best Feature finish has been third in this class.
> The group I am running with runs five classes (four are "Stock" classes and pretty cheap...I LIKE them!) at different meets twice a month for a seven month season, with the race closest to me being 20 miles away, and the farthest from me being 75 miles away at $3.60+ dollars per gallon. (Needless to say, I run a "limited schedule!"
> The "serious" racers have custom tracks CNC machined of Sintra and no longer use the sectional tthis part of the thread is ype track. This means that it is machined in as little as two pieces to give an extremely smooth track. A 4x8 oval starts at $800. and you build the table, provide the computer for scoring, and a seperate matched power source for each lane. Most of the tracks in this group are in the area of 8xs16 feet and are road courses, costing about $2500. for the machined trackage alone. Of course, I do not have a track, so I'm already at a disadvantage to those who have one at hand to practice on.
> This is auto racing, and as Ed Winfield said at his racing shop in the Twenties; "Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?" I have spent about $800. building, maintaining, and repairing race cars in a little over two years of racing, or the cost of a new Flyonel articulated steam loco. Just like my S gauge endeavors, if I didn't do all the work myself, and buy parts a little at a time, it would cost MUCH more! Yet, I finished in the top ten in points this season!
> The point of this is that EVERY hobby can be expensive! To paraphrase old Ed Winfield; "Hobbies cost money, how fancy do you want to go?"
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69804 From: D. Winslow Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Re: A cost comparison
Hi, I had a similar thought. Seems to me the
solution might be, for trains
and cars, pulsing DC. We could probably run higher
than normal voltage,
but for a short pulse. The nigh voltage would tend
to overcome dirt,
oxidation, even small gaps. The small pulse width
would mean relatively
small amounts of current, so the motor should not
overheat. We would
want to experiment with frequency and voltage to
find the optimum,
vary the pulse width for speed control, never
letting the setting get above
a certain max so as to not exceed max wattage.

One could experiment with an audio oscillator into
an old stereo receiver,
the speaker output of which should work fine to
drive cars or train
engines. Thoughts?

Dave W (who occasionally drives his model A with
SBC for short distances)




----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...>


> Thanks for that info Stumpy. Since the Aurora
> cars were really close to
> 1:64, this note seems on topic to me.
>
> Does anyone work on the cars to get them to run
> reliably slow - at scale
> speeds? I see that as a challenge the solution
> to which would enhance
> our trains.
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
> wpporter.duckburg.us
>
>
> On 6/7/2012 8:53 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
>> As many of you know, I'm a "car guy." too.
>> Driven out of building real Hot Rods several
>> years back, I returned to slot cars. In the
>> past two years, I have been racing vintage
>> Thunderjet HO cars. Yes, they are STILL
>> available brand new OLD stock!
>> This is not the HO racing of our youth! Basic
>> chassis sell for only $15., but the
>> modifications to run up front in the top class
>> cost about $150. unless you do them yourself.
>> I do my own, so the parts cost me about $60. I
>> now have two of these cars. My best Feature
>> finish has been third in this class.
>> The group I am running with runs five classes
>> (four are "Stock" classes and pretty cheap...I
>> LIKE them!) at different meets twice a month
>> for a seven month season, with the race closest
>> to me being 20 miles away, and the farthest
>> from me being 75 miles away at $3.60+ dollars
>> per gallon. (Needless to say, I run a "limited
>> schedule!"
>> The "serious" racers have custom tracks CNC
>> machined of Sintra and no longer use the
>> sectional tthis part of the thread is ype
>> track. This means that it is machined in as
>> little as two pieces to give an extremely
>> smooth track. A 4x8 oval starts at $800. and
>> you build the table, provide the computer for
>> scoring, and a seperate matched power source
>> for each lane. Most of the tracks in this
>> group are in the area of 8xs16 feet and are
>> road courses, costing about $2500. for the
>> machined trackage alone. Of course, I do not
>> have a track, so I'm already at a disadvantage
>> to those who have one at hand to practice on.
>> This is auto racing, and as Ed Winfield said at
>> his racing shop in the Twenties; "Speed costs
>> money, how fast do you want to go?" I have
>> spent about $800. building, maintaining, and
>> repairing race cars in a little over two years
>> of racing, or the cost of a new Flyonel
>> articulated steam loco. Just like my S gauge
>> endeavors, if I didn't do all the work myself,
>> and buy parts a little at a time, it would cost
>> MUCH more! Yet, I finished in the top ten in
>> points this season!
>> The point of this is that EVERY hobby can be
>> expensive! To paraphrase old Ed Winfield;
>> "Hobbies cost money, how fancy do you want to
>> go?"
>> Stumpy in Ahia
>>
>>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69805 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Re: A cost comparison
Ah, that is a good idea. The old TAT-IV throttles had that sort of thing
at lower speed settings. I have one of those and I am pretty sure I have
a TJ500 chassis around here somewhere. I used to run those things (and
the vibrator motors before them) when they first came out. Had a 1/4
mile drag strip of sectional track that was a lot of fun.

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us
On 6/7/2012 1:29 PM, D. Winslow wrote:
> Hi, I had a similar thought. Seems to me the
> solution might be, for trains
> and cars, pulsing DC. We could probably run higher
> than normal voltage,
> but for a short pulse. The nigh voltage would tend
> to overcome dirt,
> oxidation, even small gaps. The small pulse width
> would mean relatively
> small amounts of current, so the motor should not
> overheat. We would
> want to experiment with frequency and voltage to
> find the optimum,
> vary the pulse width for speed control, never
> letting the setting get above
> a certain max so as to not exceed max wattage.
>
> One could experiment with an audio oscillator into
> an old stereo receiver,
> the speaker output of which should work fine to
> drive cars or train
> engines. Thoughts?
>
> Dave W (who occasionally drives his model A with
> SBC for short distances)
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69806 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Re: A cost comparison
Didn't K-Line have a road set to go with the 0 gauge trains?


________________________________
From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A cost comparison


 
Thanks for that info Stumpy. Since the Aurora cars were really close to
1:64, this note seems on topic to me.

Does anyone work on the cars to get them to run reliably slow - at scale
speeds? I see that as a challenge the solution to which would enhance
our trains.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

 
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69807 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Re: A cost comparison
NOW owned by BACHMANN, Super Streets.

Jim Lyle

In a message dated 6/7/2012 7:55:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jfred436@... writes:

Didn't K-Line have a road set to go with the 0 gauge trains?


________________________________
From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A cost comparison



Thanks for that info Stumpy. Since the Aurora cars were really close to
1:64, this note seems on topic to me.

Does anyone work on the cars to get them to run reliably slow - at scale
speeds? I see that as a challenge the solution to which would enhance
our trains.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69808 From: clayton deich Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Hi, I have also been fishing and camping. I do read what going on just less inside the home. Oh, and working at my job.

 Clayton


________________________________
From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Quiet Times


 
Could it also be because of the Queens diamond whatever?


In a message dated 6/5/2012 6:06:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mrstumpy@... writes:

I have noticed that all the Yahoo groups which I'm a member of have been
less active of late. Three have had "No Activity" in over a week!While some
of this may be due to the Yahoo maintenance, I think that it is mostly just
the typical summer "Quiet Time," when everyone is away from their indoor
hobby endevours.
Only the auto racing websites become more active in summer, but then
that's an outdoor activity. I imagine that if I were into gardening this would
be an active time as well.
As for myself, I have been doing a lot of yard work this Spring, trying to
get the extra stuff done before the really hot weather starts. This has
been aggravated by a contractor clearing the land next to me for a new house.
He seemed unaware of where the property lines are on either side and drove
his dozer and trackhoe across my driveway and part of my yard, and the
neighbor's yard.
The equipment has been taken away, but he left two acreas of bare dirt
unsecured on a hillside and it moves during every heavy rain. It floods my
lower drive and the State road. Needless to say, the neighborhood and the
highway departmnent are not amused either!
Ah, it's the summer of fun!
Stumpy in Ahia

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69809 From: R G Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Locomatic control problem
While working on my El Capitan I encounter a problem that has to do with S-Helper Loco Matic control and American Models hi level passenger car lighting.  The American Models hi level cars have a lighting bar that contains a capacitor and other electronic parts in addition to the lights.  However this lighting bar causes the loss of signal from the loco matic control and prevents the S-Helper F-7's from operating.  I have put cars with lights on them and have no problems.  It appears that I will have to modify the lighting bars on the cars now.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69810 From: D. Winslow Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Locomatic control problem
From: "R G" <keyhole_corona@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Locomatic control problem


>While working on my El Capitan I encounter a
>problem that has to do with S-Helper Loco Matic
>control and >American Models hi level passenger
>car lighting. The American Models hi level cars
>have a lighting bar that >contains a capacitor
>and other electronic parts in addition to the
>lights. However this lighting bar causes the
> >loss of signal from the loco matic control and
>prevents the S-Helper F-7's from operating. I
>have put cars with >lights on them and have no
>problems. It appears that I will have to modify
>the lighting bars on the cars now.

My guess is that the control works via a certain
modulated frequency superimposed over the DC sent
to the tracks. If this is true, then I'll bet the
issues is that there is not enough resistance in
series with that cap in the lighting bar, such
that the cap squashes that superimposed control
signal.

I have thought myself about replacing AF car
lights with LEDs in which case I would need a
little circuit which would include a voltage
regulator, a couple resistors, and a cap to
ground. such a circuit is not likely
to bother any control signal on the tracks, but
who knows what American Models did?

Dave W.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69812 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Locomatic control problem
It might be worthwhile to contact Dallee. They are sure to know since it
is their design. I'll take a crack at it ans post the response.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 6/8/2012 8:46 AM, R G wrote:
> While working on my El Capitan I encounter a problem that has to do with S-Helper Loco Matic control and American Models hi level passenger car lighting. The American Models hi level cars have a lighting bar that contains a capacitor and other electronic parts in addition to the lights. However this lighting bar causes the loss of signal from the loco matic control and prevents the S-Helper F-7's from operating. I have put cars with lights on them and have no problems. It appears that I will have to modify the lighting bars on the cars now.
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
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> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69813 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Locomatic control problem
And here is the answer straight from the source.

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

>>>>> Straight Scoop Follows >>>>>>>

That was also passed to me by Jim Lyle. Here's what I sent him - along
with some additional information:

The easiest way is to use a DALLEE LED lighting board (*LED LIGHTING*
<http://www.dallee.com/LED_lighting.htm> ) that already has all of this
(regulated supply - which is also adjustable for intensity control_) on
it plus it's equipped with an incoming filter circuit to prevent
problems with LocoMatic^(TM) , DCC, TMCC, and DCS type systems. If you
want to use your own low voltage lights, you can also use our *POWER
SUPPLY* <http://www.dallee.com/AR%20power%20supply.htm> which also
contains the input filters. You can see item 2380 installed in the AM
cars http://www.dallee.com/images/AmericanModels_2380_01.jpg.

If anyone would bother to look at the LocoMatic^(TM) instructions, they
would find that you need to put a choke in series with _anything_ that
draws current (and that includes light bulbs) since they swamp and
distort the signal from the LocoMatic^(TM) controller. The FCC only
allows so much RF power to be radiated. The LocoMatic^(TM) controller
puts the RF onto the rails and gets picked up from the rails. This is
why it does not interfere (or have problems like some other systems)
with a track passing over or in parallel to the other track.

Item # 702 contains chokes for 1.5 ampere loads, Item #703 chokes are
for up to 5 ampere loads. They can be found on our price schedule, near
the top of page 5.

Chokes: 1.5 amp load 5/pk 702 12.00 ___ ____.__ 5 amp load 2/pk 703 8.00
___ ____.__

Glad to see that someone had the forethought to ask the designer /
manufacturer of the product instead of beating the subject to death
without doing so... and coming up with all kinds of incorrect conclusions!

Our LocoMatic^(TM) instructions can be found on our web site under


*Archived Product Instruction Index*
<http://www.dallee.com/archived_instructions.htm>*(out of
production products) *Type 3 is very similar to what S-Helper
had in their engines.

Hope this helps you and the rest out.


-- Dallas Gutacker

DALLEE Electronics, Inc.
246 W. Main St.
Leola, PA 17540
ph/fx: (717) 661-7041
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Our web site, http://dallee.com/, contains an on line catalog as well as
pdf downloads. Here are some links to specific area's:

* Catalog <http://dallee.com/catalog_download.htm>
* Wiring Guide <http://dallee.com/technical_downloads.htm>
* Current Product Instruction Sheets
<http://dallee.com/current_instruction_sheets.htm>
* Lamps/ LED's <http://dallee.com/Lamps_Sockets.htm>
* Miniature Connectors <http://dallee.com/Connectors.htm>
* Speakers <http://dallee.com/Speakers.htm>

* *Price Schedule / Order Form*
<http://www.dallee.com/PDFs/Price_list.pdf>**

We can usually be reached weekdays from 10:00AM - 5:00PM at 717-661-7041
unless displaying at shows or at other appointments.

*All orders require a proper address and phone number to assist in delivery!
*Orders without a proper, legible, address will not be processed or shipped.

On 6/8/2012 11:24 AM, Bill Porter wrote:
> It might be worthwhile to contact Dallee. They are sure to know since it
> is their design. I'll take a crack at it ans post the response.
>
> Bill
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69814 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: LocoMatic--Response from DALLEE
The easiest way is to use a DALLEE LED lighting board that already has all
of this on it plus it's equipped with an incoming filter circuit to prevent
problems with LocoMatic, DCC, TMCC, and DCS type systems.

Looking at the LocoMatic instructions, you would find that you need to put
a choke in series with anything that draws current (and that includes
light bulbs) since they swamp and distort the signal from the LocoMatic
controller. The FCC only allows so much RF power to be radiated. The LocoMatic
controller puts the RF onto the rails and gets picked up from the rails. This
is why it does not interfere (or have problems like some other systems)
with a track passing over or in parallel to the other track.

Item # 702 contains chokes for 1.5 ampere loads, Item #703 chokes are for
up to 5 ampere loads.



Jim Lyle
Dealer-Installer


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69815 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Quiet Times
Hello friends,

This may be a quiet time for email list activity, but, thanks to Al Baker, the spring toy train quiet was nicely broken by an event Al hosted at his home last weekend. Al, who many of you know from his postings and pictures of his modified and customized AF and S gauge locomotives that he has either acquired, customized or both, is a talented Hi-Rail modeler and a gracious host. Last February, he ably represented the NASG at the World's Greatest Hobby Show in Portland with an operating display of his unique loco fleet.

Only a small group of S gaugers (from an already modest sized group of S gaugers in Oregon) were able to attend, but as Al's message to our local S gauge community following the meeting recounts, we had a good and "productive" get together.

The "Quiet Time" of late spring was a good time for us that attended because it came just before we all got busy on other planned summer trips and activities.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

----- Original Message -----
From: Al Baker
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: Meeting of Oregon S - Gaugers / Scalers


Just a note to let you know about how thing went yesterday.



The following persons attended:

Alan Bennett of Keizer

Neil Ferris of Forest Grove

Jack Klein of Portland

Jerry and Nancy Hildenbrand of Corvallis

Myself and wife, Marianne



We had a very nice get-together. Lots and lots of train talk, of course. Alan brought four locomotives to show and run, and Neil brought two. And Neil sold one of his to Alan! One of Alan's was a never run American Models Pacific. When we went to run it, we found it had problems making it around the track. With four powerful minds (Jerry hadn't arrived yet) combined, we found an easy fix after it first looked like it was going to take so serious re-engineering!



Some of us talked about possibly having another get-together later this fall. So if you missed this one, maybe it will work out then. If you know of other S people who would like to get involved, just let me know - all are welcome!



If you would rather not be on this mail list, just let me know.



Have a great summer !



Al









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Group: S-Trains Message: 69816 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Yes Alan, I agree.  It was great to get together and meet new people with the same interests.  Al's collection is even more impressive in person and it was nice of him to host our get together.  It was a learning experience for me and I hope we will continue to meet in the near future.
Neil FerrisForest Grove, Or

--- On Fri, 6/8/12, Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> wrote:

From: Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Quiet Times
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 8, 2012, 6:35 PM
















 









Hello friends,



This may be a quiet time for email list activity, but, thanks to Al Baker, the spring toy train quiet was nicely broken by an event Al hosted at his home last weekend. Al, who many of you know from his postings and pictures of his modified and customized AF and S gauge locomotives that he has either acquired, customized or both, is a talented Hi-Rail modeler and a gracious host. Last February, he ably represented the NASG at the World's Greatest Hobby Show in Portland with an operating display of his unique loco fleet.



Only a small group of S gaugers (from an already modest sized group of S gaugers in Oregon) were able to attend, but as Al's message to our local S gauge community following the meeting recounts, we had a good and "productive" get together.



The "Quiet Time" of late spring was a good time for us that attended because it came just before we all got busy on other planned summer trips and activities.



Cheers!



Alan Bennett

Keizer, OR



----- Original Message -----

From: Al Baker

Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:46 AM

Subject: RE: Meeting of Oregon S - Gaugers / Scalers



Just a note to let you know about how thing went yesterday.



The following persons attended:



Alan Bennett of Keizer



Neil Ferris of Forest Grove



Jack Klein of Portland



Jerry and Nancy Hildenbrand of Corvallis



Myself and wife, Marianne



We had a very nice get-together. Lots and lots of train talk, of course. Alan brought four locomotives to show and run, and Neil brought two. And Neil sold one of his to Alan! One of Alan's was a never run American Models Pacific. When we went to run it, we found it had problems making it around the track. With four powerful minds (Jerry hadn't arrived yet) combined, we found an easy fix after it first looked like it was going to take so serious re-engineering!



Some of us talked about possibly having another get-together later this fall. So if you missed this one, maybe it will work out then. If you know of other S people who would like to get involved, just let me know - all are welcome!



If you would rather not be on this mail list, just let me know.



Have a great summer !



Al



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69817 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: A cost comparison-more info
The original Aurora cars were actually about 1/76 scale and were controlled at realistic speeds by a steering wheel style controller. The Aurora name for these sets was "Model Motoring," and the line included sport cars, sedans, large trucks, and even a semi.
Later Aurora cars were bigger and faster, the Magna-Traction era. They were about 1/64 scale, used modern controllers, and were for racing only.
Except for the Auto World brand of HO slot cars, there are no more of the original style "Thunderjet" type cars being made in HO, although cases of original chassis are still around as "new old stock" even today.
Today's HO slot cars are about 1/64 scale and a far cry from the vintage cars we race. The motors are wound to 3 volts and run on 18 to 22, and the "traction magnets" are so strong that the car will hang upside down from the track if inverted!
Unlike the original Aurora sets, the most of the termional tracks today force both cars to go the same direction instead of like a two lane highway. However, there is more variety of track sections available.
Unlike railroading, nobody in slot cars is worrying about making them creep or run at "realistic speed." The magnet cars run about 300 scale miles per hour and the scale G forces on the turns would crush any real drivers! :-) It's a whole different game now.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69818 From: R G Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Locomatic control problem
Thanks for the information.  I now recall hearing about this years ago but forgot all about it until this happened

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From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Locomatic control problem


 
And here is the answer straight from the source.

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

>>>>> Straight Scoop Follows >>>>>>>

That was also passed to me by Jim Lyle. Here's what I sent him - along
with some additional information:

The easiest way is to use a DALLEE LED lighting board (*LED LIGHTING*
<http://www.dallee.com/LED_lighting.htm> ) that already has all of this
(regulated supply - which is also adjustable for intensity control_) on
it plus it's equipped with an incoming filter circuit to prevent
problems with LocoMatic^(TM) , DCC, TMCC, and DCS type systems. If you
want to use your own low voltage lights, you can also use our *POWER
SUPPLY* <http://www.dallee.com/AR%20power%20supply.htm> which also
contains the input filters. You can see item 2380 installed in the AM
cars http://www.dallee.com/images/AmericanModels_2380_01.jpg.

If anyone would bother to look at the LocoMatic^(TM) instructions, they
would find that you need to put a choke in series with _anything_ that
draws current (and that includes light bulbs) since they swamp and
distort the signal from the LocoMatic^(TM) controller. The FCC only
allows so much RF power to be radiated. The LocoMatic^(TM) controller
puts the RF onto the rails and gets picked up from the rails. This is
why it does not interfere (or have problems like some other systems)
with a track passing over or in parallel to the other track.

Item # 702 contains chokes for 1.5 ampere loads, Item #703 chokes are
for up to 5 ampere loads. They can be found on our price schedule, near
the top of page 5.

Chokes: 1.5 amp load 5/pk 702 12.00 ___ ____.__ 5 amp load 2/pk 703 8.00
___ ____.__

Glad to see that someone had the forethought to ask the designer /
manufacturer of the product instead of beating the subject to death
without doing so... and coming up with all kinds of incorrect conclusions!

Our LocoMatic^(TM) instructions can be found on our web site under

*Archived Product Instruction Index*
<http://www.dallee.com/archived_instructions.htm>*(out of
production products) *Type 3 is very similar to what S-Helper
had in their engines.

Hope this helps you and the rest out.

-- Dallas Gutacker

DALLEE Electronics, Inc.
246 W. Main St.
Leola, PA 17540
ph/fx: (717) 661-7041
----------------------------------------------------------
Our web site, http://dallee.com/, contains an on line catalog as well as
pdf downloads. Here are some links to specific area's:

* Catalog <http://dallee.com/catalog_download.htm>
* Wiring Guide <http://dallee.com/technical_downloads.htm>
* Current Product Instruction Sheets
<http://dallee.com/current_instruction_sheets.htm>
* Lamps/ LED's <http://dallee.com/Lamps_Sockets.htm>
* Miniature Connectors <http://dallee.com/Connectors.htm>
* Speakers <http://dallee.com/Speakers.htm>

* *Price Schedule / Order Form*
<http://www.dallee.com/PDFs/Price_list.pdf>**

We can usually be reached weekdays from 10:00AM - 5:00PM at 717-661-7041
unless displaying at shows or at other appointments.

*All orders require a proper address and phone number to assist in delivery!
*Orders without a proper, legible, address will not be processed or shipped.

On 6/8/2012 11:24 AM, Bill Porter wrote:
> It might be worthwhile to contact Dallee. They are sure to know since it
> is their design. I'll take a crack at it ans post the response.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69819 From: Al Baker Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Quiet Times
Thanks Alan and Neil for the kind words. I appreciate it. Yes we did have a nice time, the first of hopefully many more. Next time will be this fall.

Al Baker
Portland/Beaverton, Oregon




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, NEIL FERRIS <bowlsalot2@...> wrote:
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> Yes Alan, I agree.  It was great to get together and meet new people with the same interests.  Al's collection is even more impressive in person and it was nice of him to host our get together.  It was a learning experience for me and I hope we will continue to meet in the near future.
> Neil FerrisForest Grove, Or
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69820 From: Bill Date: 6/9/2012
Subject: request to buy turnouts.
Does anyone have #6 right and left hand GARGRAVES turnouts for sale
That is I need two turnouts,flyer style, but Gargarves brand. Send me a PM please,Thanks Bill in Idaho
Group: S-Trains Message: 69821 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 6/9/2012
Subject: Sale of Joe's Train Repair
Due to a recently diagnosed terminal
illness, Joes Train Repair has been sold. New owners Clay Buckage and Barbara
Rudnickiof Daves Twacks & Twains have taken possession of
the business and will be taking some time this summer to get fully organized
before re-opening, hopefully by September 1st. They will be present at
York this Fall at the same spot as Joe has had in the Orange Hall. They can be
contacted at 919-926-7386.

Thank you for your business all of these years. It has been a pleasure getting
to meet many of you and serving you. I know you will get the same service from
Barb & Clay that you have come to expect from Joes Train Repairand I am leaving the business in good hands. They are
great stewards of both Gilbert and the hobby in general. They bring with them a
wealth of American Flyer knowledge. I am sure you will be pleased with the
continued care your business will receive from them.
Joe

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69822 From: Al Baker Date: 6/9/2012
Subject: Gluing Pulmor tires to wheels ???
What is a good to glue the rubber Pulmore tires to metal wheels?

Can BullFrog Snot be used as the glue?

Can you glue them to regular wheels, which were not specifically designed for Pulmore? Will they run ok?

Thanks,
Al Baker
Group: S-Trains Message: 69823 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Gluing Pulmor tires to wheels ???
Al,
We use clear RTV (bath tub caulk).
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc


--- On Sat, 6/9/12, Al Baker <albaker33@...> wrote:


From: Al Baker <albaker33@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Gluing Pulmor tires to wheels ???
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 5:15 PM



 



What is a good to glue the rubber Pulmore tires to metal wheels?

Can BullFrog Snot be used as the glue?

Can you glue them to regular wheels, which were not specifically designed for Pulmore? Will they run ok?

Thanks,
Al Baker








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Group: S-Trains Message: 69824 From: race944t Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Sale of Joe's Train Repair
Joe:
I'm glad it worked out for you. I know you must be happy that the business is in great hands. Call me if you need anything, or for that matter even if you need nothing.

Barb & Clay:
Congratulations! If you need anything let me know. I'm partially trained and even know how to mostly pack the trailer!

Banker Bill Clark

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote:
>
> Due to a recently diagnosed terminal
> illness, Joes Train Repair has been sold. New owners Clay Buckage and Barbara
> Rudnickiof Daves Twacks & Twains have taken possession of
> the business and will be taking some time this summer to get fully organized
> before re-opening, hopefully by September 1st. They will be present at
> York this Fall at the same spot as Joe has had in the Orange Hall. They can be
> contacted at 919-926-7386.
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> Thank you for your business all of these years. It has been a pleasure getting
> to meet many of you and serving you. I know you will get the same service from
> Barb & Clay that you have come to expect from Joes Train Repairand I am leaving the business in good hands. They are
> great stewards of both Gilbert and the hobby in general. They bring with them a
> wealth of American Flyer knowledge. I am sure you will be pleased with the
> continued care your business will receive from them.
> Joe
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69825 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Gluing Pulmor tires to wheels ???
Al,



I use superglue. You need to use something strong, or the bands will rip
off during heavy use.

BUT....with SG, rubber will truly adhere instantly, so you need to use
it with care.



BS is NOT a glue. It will not serve that purpose..



No...you cannot use bands on non-PM drivers......there will not be
enough flange left to hold the rails. Plus, you have added height to the
rear wheels, which will then sit high.

Use new Pullmor rims for that, and just rebuild your rear wheels with
the new vulcanized rims.







<<<What is a good to glue the rubber Pulmore tires to metal wheels?

Can BullFrog Snot be used as the glue?

Can you glue them to regular wheels, which were not specifically
designed for Pulmore? Will they run ok?

Thanks,
Al Baker>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 69826 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Sale of Joe's Train Repair
Hi Joe,
� Sorry to hear of the terminal illness and your sale of Joe's Train Repair.  I really enjoyed the dinners with the American Flyer discussions at York.  Haven't been to York since 2005. Hope things get better for you. All the best in the future.
Tom Seccia



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From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...>
To: S Trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 6:00 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Sale of Joe's Train Repair


 
Due to a recently diagnosed terminal
illness, Joes Train Repair has been sold. New owners Clay Buckage and Barbara
Rudnickiof Daves Twacks & Twains have taken possession of
the business and will be taking some time this summer to get fully organized
before re-opening, hopefully by September 1st. They will be present at
York this Fall at the same spot as Joe has had in the Orange Hall. They can be
contacted at 919-926-7386.

Thank you for your business all of these years. It has been a pleasure getting
to meet many of you and serving you. I know you will get the same service from
Barb & Clay that you have come to expect from Joes Train Repairand I am leaving the business in good hands. They are
great stewards of both Gilbert and the hobby in general. They bring with them a
wealth of American Flyer knowledge. I am sure you will be pleased with the
continued care your business will receive from them.
Joe

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69827 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: request to buy turnouts.
bill i have alot of them i do not use any more call 515 868 6156 i have alot of track thanks pete


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill <reklein72@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:40 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] request to buy turnouts.




Does anyone have #6 right and left hand GARGRAVES turnouts for sale
That is I need two turnouts,flyer style, but Gargarves brand. Send me a PM please,Thanks Bill in Idaho







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Group: S-Trains Message: 69828 From: rick gough Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Gluing Pulmor tires to wheels ???
I use a light smear of JB Weld and Dave's traction tires. They never come off. They do have to be sanded down to give just enough rim to hold the rail, which is tricky but doable.


rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69829 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Bill Farner's email address
I have two email addresses for Bill Farner; wfarner@...
on his card and wfarner@...

Neither one is working. anymore, does anyone have his correct email address?

And please, regarding the S-Helper engines I am looking for. If they are new or like new I will pay retail price for them. Should have boxes. The following are still needed;



two - S-Helper SW-8s



two - S-Helper F-3 and F-7 A Units



two - S-Helper F-3 and F-7 B Units


Thanks,
Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69830 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Bill Farner's email address
Dear Harwood,
We still have Rock Island SW8s in stock and a sale going on. Buy one, get one for free...
Don

http://www.stacktalk.com/sw8_in_stock.html


On Jun 10, 2012, at 7:47 PM, HOwingsiii@... wrote:

>
>
> I have two email addresses for Bill Farner; wfarner@...
> on his card and wfarner@...
>
> Neither one is working. anymore, does anyone have his correct email address?
>
> And please, regarding the S-Helper engines I am looking for. If they are new or like new I will pay retail price for them. Should have boxes. The following are still needed;
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> two - S-Helper F-3 and F-7 A Units
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> two - S-Helper F-3 and F-7 B Units
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> Thanks,
> Harwood
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69831 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Bill Farner's email address
bill i have 2 sw- 8 my address is can sell for $185 each let me know

have track gargrave track and switches right and left
have some s-helper cars in box i will try and see how many and put list out i buy alot on ebay and have more then i need my ebay name is pacdes515 i have a good record of buyer an seller == i stop selling on ebay == i run dc hi-rail sd60 from am .just call if you need any thing i have alot more then i need.
peter pacha
6901 se 14 th street lot 0
des moines , iowa 50320

call 515 868 6156


-----Original Message-----
From: HOwingsiii <HOwingsiii@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:03 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Bill Farner's email address






I have two email addresses for Bill Farner; wfarner@...
on his card and wfarner@...

Neither one is working. anymore, does anyone have his correct email address?

And please, regarding the S-Helper engines I am looking for. If they are new or like new I will pay retail price for them. Should have boxes. The following are still needed;

two - S-Helper SW-8s

two - S-Helper F-3 and F-7 A Units

two - S-Helper F-3 and F-7 B Units

Thanks,
Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69832 From: Larry Moore Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Wiring Help
Has anyone in the group replaced a solid state reversing board, in a Flyer
by Lionel, Alco PA. I am wanting to change it out with a Dallee #1400 unit.
This is an 4-8153 B&O unit, with the old style Flyer motors. The original
board has 2 blacks, track power, 2 reds, one side of fields, 2 yellows,
other side of fields, 2 browns, to one side of brushes, the other side of
brushes is a black wire going to a solder joint on back side of fields. Can
someone tell me how these wires should be wired to Dallee unit? I am
confused, with 8 wires on the old unit and 6 connections on the Dallee unit.
Thanks for any help that I hope to receive. Larry



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69833 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring Help
You would be prudent to change the motors to can motors. The Dallee #400 is
rated at 4 amps max. Those two open frame motors could under the wrong
conditions overload it. You could use a Dallee # 518 with those two can motors
as they only draw 1/4 amp each and the 518 is rated at 2 amps.
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


In a message dated 6/10/2012 8:04:47 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
mo2337@... writes:




Has anyone in the group replaced a solid state reversing board, in a Flyer
by Lionel, Alco PA. I am wanting to change it out with a Dallee #1400 unit.
This is an 4-8153 B&O unit, with the old style Flyer motors. The original
board has 2 blacks, track power, 2 reds, one side of fields, 2 yellows,
other side of fields, 2 browns, to one side of brushes, the other side of
brushes is a black wire going to a solder joint on back side of fields. Can
someone tell me how these wires should be wired to Dallee unit? I am
confused, with 8 wires on the old unit and 6 connections on the Dallee
unit.
Thanks for any help that I hope to receive. Larry

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69834 From: Roy Inman Date: 6/11/2012
Subject: Re: Bill Farner's email address
Don,

Will the sale price be shown on the final checkout page?

Roy



From: Don Thompson <don@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:42:35 -0400
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bill Farner's email address






Dear Harwood,
We still have Rock Island SW8s in stock and a sale going on. Buy one, get
one for free...
Don

http://www.stacktalk.com/sw8_in_stock.html

On Jun 10, 2012, at 7:47 PM, HOwingsiii@...
<mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com> wrote:

>
>
> I have two email addresses for Bill Farner; wfarner@...
<mailto:wfarner%40windstream.net>
> on his card and wfarner@... <mailto:wfarner%40bullitt.net>
>
> Neither one is working. anymore, does anyone have his correct email address?
>
> And please, regarding the S-Helper engines I am looking for. If they are new
or like new I will pay retail price for them. Should have boxes. The following
are still needed;
>
> two - S-Helper SW-8s
>
> two - S-Helper F-3 and F-7 A Units
>
> two - S-Helper F-3 and F-7 B Units
>
> Thanks,
> Harwood
>
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>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69835 From: Brady Date: 6/11/2012
Subject: N Scale Amusement Park Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 69836 From: Richard Reichard Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: 2 Guys from Ashley, IN having a Blast !
John & Barney having a blast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEJDISQmEH0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEkIVvjN5fk&feature=related


Dick Reichard

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69837 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Anyone on the list know how I can get in touch with any of these clubs?
Prior to Joe's health issue. I had made plans on donating some fluid to
these groups thru Joe. I'd like to finish up on that plan But directly with
them. Mike

3 Divisions of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers (Carolinas, Tidewater, and
Virginia Central as well as helping out the Washington & Old Dominion and
Georgia Divisions and the Baltimore Area AF Club

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69838 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Mike, the email address for Baltimore club is,
BAAFC@yahoogroups.com
Direct quest to Ron Kolb



Harwood




-----Original Message-----
From: anormal1 <anormal1@...>
To: s-trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 12, 2012 3:01 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: LOOKING FOR INFO




Anyone on the list know how I can get in touch with any of these clubs?
Prior to Joe's health issue. I had made plans on donating some fluid to
these groups thru Joe. I'd like to finish up on that plan But directly with
them. Mike

3 Divisions of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers (Carolinas, Tidewater, and
Virginia Central as well as helping out the Washington & Old Dominion and
Georgia Divisions and the Baltimore Area AF Club

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69839 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Thank You, Mike


In a message dated 6/12/2012 12:17:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
HOwingsiii@... writes:





Mike, the email address for Baltimore club is,
_BAAFC@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:BAAFC@yahoogroups.com)
Direct quest to Ron Kolb

Harwood

-----Original Message-----
From: anormal1 <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) >
To: s-trains <_s-trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:s-trains@yahoogroups.com)
>
Sent: Tue, Jun 12, 2012 3:01 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: LOOKING FOR INFO

Anyone on the list know how I can get in touch with any of these clubs?
Prior to Joe's health issue. I had made plans on donating some fluid to
these groups thru Joe. I'd like to finish up on that plan But directly
with
them. Mike

3 Divisions of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers (Carolinas, Tidewater, and
Virginia Central as well as helping out the Washington & Old Dominion and
Georgia Divisions and the Baltimore Area AF Club

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69840 From: safespec@bellsouth.net Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Going to Strasburg,PA next month. Thinking about staying at the Red Caboose Motel. Anyone on the list every stayed there? Good or tourist trap?

Thanks,

Ken Holloway
Group: S-Trains Message: 69841 From: mike rosz Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
there was one in Illinois, instead of getting a room you got a caboose.



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From: "safespec@..." <safespec@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:29 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA


 
Going to Strasburg,PA next month. Thinking about staying at the Red Caboose Motel. Anyone on the list every stayed there? Good or tourist trap?

Thanks,

Ken Holloway




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69842 From: R G Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
I have stayed there twice.  For what you get it is very over priced. and not very comfortable I do not recommend it.



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From: "safespec@..." <safespec@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:29 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA


 
Going to Strasburg,PA next month. Thinking about staying at the Red Caboose Motel. Anyone on the list every stayed there? Good or tourist trap?

Thanks,

Ken Holloway




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69843 From: MARK MCFREDERICK Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
I've stayed there four or five times. You have to like "camping" to like
this experience. This is, after all, beds and plumbing stuffed into a
caboose. Have them *show you* which one they would be renting you. Hope
this helps!

Mark in Akron Ohio

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 5:29 PM, safespec@... <
safespec@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Going to Strasburg,PA next month. Thinking about staying at the Red
> Caboose Motel. Anyone on the list every stayed there? Good or tourist trap?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken Holloway
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69844 From: race944t Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Several of the ACSG members from multiple divisions are on this board. I’m part of Carolina’s. I’m sure Barb and Clay would appreciate your donating through Joes Train Repair. As Treasurer, I can take the donation and see that it is used for club events or so can any other member who chimes in.

I use your fluid exclusively and love it.

Thank you for your consideration.

Banker Bill Clark

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69845 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Shops in Greater Kansas City
Heading to Kansas City in a couple of weeks and should have time to hit a
few shops while there. Which ones cater to us S-guys?



Ben







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Group: S-Trains Message: 69846 From: David Highfield Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Red Caboose Motel
It's about the experience not creature comforts. Kids especially enjoy it.
And it's very close to the Strasburg RR line. I recommend it.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69847 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red Caboose Motel
AS a not terribly impartial thought, I WOULD definitely recommend the RED
CABOOSE MOTEL. Nice people, new owners have made many improvements, great
neighbors to TCA & NTTM. Walk a couple of hundred of feet to National Toy
Train Museum. Close to Strasburg RailRoad, CHOO CHOO BARN, neat town of
Strasburg, Stones throw to Paradise. Restaurant on site as well ( real
railroad car dining ).
Normally a variety of choices in accomodations.
COULD even join TCA while you are there, ask at Museum counter.
Jim Lyle, NTTM Parking Crew



In a message dated 6/13/2012 10:32:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
davidhighmd@... writes:

It's about the experience not creature comforts. Kids especially enjoy it.
And it's very close to the Strasburg RR line. I recommend it.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69848 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Someone has to say it, might as well be me;
This sounds like a "Crummy" experience.
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69849 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Don't forget " hack", "shack", "bouncer" ?? Lots of less flattering names
out there, too.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 6/13/2012 11:53:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
djdewey@... writes:

Someone has to say it, might as well be me;
This sounds like a "Crummy" experience.
S'
David D.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69850 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Good one, but if the dining car is still there - I remember a good eating
experience there. Amish food and the diner vibrates a bit to simulate
movement. At that time you didn't have to stay there to eat there. Jeff
Madden

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:06 AM, <djdewey@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Someone has to say it, might as well be me;
> This sounds like a "Crummy" experience.
> S'
> David D.
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69851 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Thank all that have replied. I have heard from Joe & we will take it from
here. Thanks again, Mike

Anormal1 Smoke Fluid
Michael Strickland
211 Summit Ave
Medford, Ore
97501


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69852 From: Robert Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Hey group please forgive me but those heart attacks and mini-strokes 2 years ago did my memory in. There is (or was) a place in Elbe (pronounced Elbee) Washington that has a motel that has cabooses for the rooms I believe it is called the Hobo Inn. Each caboose came from a different railroad for instance there is a Milwaukee rib side bat window caboose a NP offset cupola etc. It is located right alongside the right of way to the Mount Rainier Scenic Railway http://www.mrsr.com/. Enjoy. Bob formerly in Butte

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Madden <nasgdispatch@...> wrote:
>
> Good one, but if the dining car is still there - I remember a good eating
> experience there. Amish food and the diner vibrates a bit to simulate
> movement. At that time you didn't have to stay there to eat there. Jeff
> Madden
>
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:06 AM, <djdewey@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Someone has to say it, might as well be me;
> > This sounds like a "Crummy" experience.
> > S'
> > David D.
> >
> >
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69853 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Dining Car is definitely open to the public, I found the controls to
'"rockin down the rails" BTW. Worked the last time I tried them.

Jim Lyle

In a message dated 6/13/2012 12:21:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nasgdispatch@... writes:

Good one, but if the dining car is still there - I remember a good eating
experience there. Amish food and the diner vibrates a bit to simulate
movement. At that time you didn't have to stay there to eat there. Jeff
Madden

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:06 AM, <djdewey@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Someone has to say it, might as well be me;
> This sounds like a "Crummy" experience.
> S'
> David D.
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69854 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Bill, Joe has gotten in touch with me & he will handle the fluid for the
clubs that we had agreed to months ago. I do believe your group will be one.
Mike


In a message dated 6/13/2012 7:29:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
race944t@... writes:




Several of the ACSG members from multiple divisions are on this board. I'm
part of Carolina’s. I’m sure Barb and Clay would appreciate your donating
through Joes Train Repair. As Treasurer, I can take the donation and see
that it is used for club events or so can any other member who chimes in.

I use your fluid exclusively and love it.

Thank you for your consideration.

Banker Bill Clark

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69855 From: barb Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Looking For Info
Mike,

I am a member of the Carolina division of the Atlantic Coast
S-Gaugers. You can email me at rcespeak@...

Barb

2a. Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Posted by: "anormal1@..." anormal1@... rudypenne
Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:01 pm (PDT)


Anyone on the list know how I can get in touch with any of these clubs?
Prior to Joe's health issue. I had made plans on donating some fluid to
these groups thru Joe. I'd like to finish up on that plan But directly with
them. Mike

3 Divisions of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers (Carolinas, Tidewater, and
Virginia Central as well as helping out the Washington & Old Dominion and
Georgia Divisions and the Baltimore Area AF Club

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69856 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: [S-Mod] Aluminum module frames
The SE Regional Train Center has a variety of train layouts. Some are
primarily for kids but there is serious scale stuff their too. Do not let the
photo of the Dinosaur module or comments about it lead you astray.

I believe the aluminum modules may be the wave of the future. I have just
purchased four of them and expect to order more. I have seen how quickly
and easily that Gary Cameron can set up and connect his finished modules.
The module owner can put whatever track and scenery he chooses. The
finished modules are very lightweight.

The website link could be used to guide NASG Conventioneers to the open
house on Sunday, August 12 where the aluminum modules will be on display.

Gary and I are hoping we may be able to display these modules at the
convention itself. We have a little word to do first.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 6/13/2012 4:46:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
bill@... writes:





I was asked to spread the word about aluminum module frames here.
_www.SERegionalTrainCenter.org_ (http://www.seregionaltraincenter.org/)
Check it out!
Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
_http://www.lanestrains.com_ (http://www.lanestrains.com/)
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
_http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls_
(http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls)

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
_http://www.prrths.com_ (http://www.prrths.com/)
_http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf_
(http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf)

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! _http://www.prslhs.com_ (http://www.prslhs.com/)
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69857 From: Bob Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update and a Call for Material
Good day. Hope all is well with everyone. I got to see a few of you at the S Helper Service Open House swan-song on June 8th. It was indeed a bittersweet event.

Before long it will be time to publish the summer issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine and I find myself once again short of material for both the summer and fall issues. Specifically, a suitable cover shot for the summer issue, a feature article or two and how about some photos for the "Your PicS" section? Seriously! Here is an opportunity to make a few dollars and share what you're doing, but instead everyone posts photos and articles to one of these Yahoo groups or their own website. Makes me think that despite cries to the contrary, maybe we don't need a dedicated S scale magazine...

Now for some news: I will be re-releasing Volumes 10 and 11 of the magazine in digital form. Volume 10 will be available soon and hopefully Volume 11 will be available before Thanksgiving. After that, I'll see about some of the earlier issues. More details to come.

As I write this, I am backing up files in preparation to move from MobileMe to "the Cloud". Is it just me, or does this whole "cloud" concept sound a little weird? "Where's my stuff?? Don't worry -- it's in the Cloud!" I just hope this cloud isn't like the ones we see in the natural world where if the cloud gets too full it all falls down on us!

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
www.1-64ModelingGuide.com

P.S. Did you send in your subscription renewal yet?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69858 From: First Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Hi Mike,

The Atlantic Coast S Gaugers contact info is on the web site:

http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/

Ken McNelly is the contact for the Tidewater Div: kennymac2@...

You can contact me, Marvin Thiel, or Banker Bill Clark for the Carolinas Div.

Thank you. We use a lot of your smoke fluid at all our train shows!
Marvin
mthiel@...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Anyone on the list know how I can get in touch with any of these clubs?
> Prior to Joe's health issue. I had made plans on donating some fluid to
> these groups thru Joe. I'd like to finish up on that plan But directly with
> them. Mike
>
> 3 Divisions of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers (Carolinas, Tidewater, and
> Virginia Central as well as helping out the Washington & Old Dominion and
> Georgia Divisions and the Baltimore Area AF Club
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69859 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Hi Ken,
Joe got in touch with me today & I shipped him the bottles. I
think your group is on the list, in fact I'm pretty sure. Mike


In a message dated 6/13/2012 5:31:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mthiel@... writes:




Hi Mike,

The Atlantic Coast S Gaugers contact info is on the web site:

_http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/_ (http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/)

Ken McNelly is the contact for the Tidewater Div: _kennymac2@..._
(mailto:kennymac2@...)

You can contact me, Marvin Thiel, or Banker Bill Clark for the Carolinas
Div.

Thank you. We use a lot of your smoke fluid at all our train shows!
Marvin
_mthiel@..._ (mailto:mthiel@...)

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Anyone on the list know how I can get in touch with any of these clubs?
> Prior to Joe's health issue. I had made plans on donating some fluid to
> these groups thru Joe. I'd like to finish up on that plan But directly
with
> them. Mike
>
> 3 Divisions of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers (Carolinas, Tidewater, and
> Virginia Central as well as helping out the Washington & Old Dominion
and
> Georgia Divisions and the Baltimore Area AF Club
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69860 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
Sorry Marvin, I thought you were Ken. Mike


In a message dated 6/13/2012 5:31:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mthiel@... writes:




Hi Mike,

The Atlantic Coast S Gaugers contact info is on the web site:

_http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/_ (http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/)

Ken McNelly is the contact for the Tidewater Div: _kennymac2@..._
(mailto:kennymac2@...)

You can contact me, Marvin Thiel, or Banker Bill Clark for the Carolinas
Div.

Thank you. We use a lot of your smoke fluid at all our train shows!
Marvin
_mthiel@..._ (mailto:mthiel@...)

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Anyone on the list know how I can get in touch with any of these clubs?
> Prior to Joe's health issue. I had made plans on donating some fluid to
> these groups thru Joe. I'd like to finish up on that plan But directly
with
> them. Mike
>
> 3 Divisions of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers (Carolinas, Tidewater, and
> Virginia Central as well as helping out the Washington & Old Dominion
and
> Georgia Divisions and the Baltimore Area AF Club
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69861 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Gentlemen,

I have finally gotten a layout and have started to run my engines. I have a
Flyonel UP PA set that I bought about five years ago that I was checking
out and I was having a problem with the PA. It would only run in reverse. It
clicks into reverse then it clicks into standing still. I have resolved
problems with the Flyer Pas but before I took apart the Flyonel PA I was
wondering if anyone had similar problems and had any suggestions before I
went off exploring.



Thanks ,

Joe Haughney





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69862 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Flyonel UP PA problems
Won't it EVER go forward?  I haven't had that problem.

The recurring problem I do have is that I lock it into forward only for running on my club's layout.  It works fine most of the time, but every once in a while, it starts up in reverse and I have to go through the cycle again and lock it into forward only.  Is anyone else having this problem and is there a solution?



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From: Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA


 
Gentlemen,

I have finally gotten a layout and have started to run my engines. I have a
Flyonel UP PA set that I bought about five years ago that I was checking
out and I was having a problem with the PA. It would only run in reverse. It
clicks into reverse then it clicks into standing still. I have resolved
problems with the Flyer Pas but before I took apart the Flyonel PA I was
wondering if anyone had similar problems and had any suggestions before I
went off exploring.

Thanks ,

Joe Haughney

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69863 From: Edward Musil Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Hi Joe,
Interesting!  I have a similar problem with a Lionel UP engine except mine only goes forward it will not go into reverse at all.  When I try to change directions it has 3 cycles of nothing then goes forward.  Does that make any sense?
I have tried several things to fix the problem including taking a soldering iron point and melting each solder spot on the board to see if one of the solder joints may have been defective.  So far I haven't had any luck.  When I first tried the engine on the track it would occasionally go into reverse (maybe once every 10 tries), but since I have done the soldering it doesn't do that anymore..   I have another Lionel PA engine that works fine and I have looked at both engines side by side to see if I could see anything in the electronics on the bad one that was out of the ordinary IE burned or heated.  So far no luck there.  There are 4 transistors that are mounted on the board 2 of them side by side and under each other. They are all mounted on the same heat shield.   One time I used a plastic pick and moved  one of them and the engine reversed.  That was before I hit everything with the soldering iron and now I haven't been able to get
it to work again.  But, I suspect on mine, that the problem may be in those transistors or around that area on the board.  I will let you know if I get the problem solved.  
 
BTW Have you noticed that on the back of the engine there are two ceramic capacitors that seem to get fairly warm?  On my other PA engine that works right those capacitors don't seem to get warm at all.
Good Luck!
Ed Musil



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From: Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA


 
Gentlemen,

I have finally gotten a layout and have started to run my engines. I have a
Flyonel UP PA set that I bought about five years ago that I was checking
out and I was having a problem with the PA. It would only run in reverse. It
clicks into reverse then it clicks into standing still. I have resolved
problems with the Flyer Pas but before I took apart the Flyonel PA I was
wondering if anyone had similar problems and had any suggestions before I
went off exploring.

Thanks ,

Joe Haughney

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69864 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 6/14/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Ed,



Capacitors across the motor are likely there to suppress arcing from the brushes. They should NOT be getting hot. As for the intermittent operation, You may still have a poor connection on the board or perhaps a hairline break in the foil. Transistors generally fail or they don’t, so if it works sometimes and not others, than it is probably not the fault of a bad transistor. What other components are on the board, as one of them might be intermittent? Examine all the traces closely with a magnifying glass to look for breaks. In 55 years of working in electronics I have also seen components that appeared to be soldered properly, but were not. Where you touched up the solder in the holes, can you see the end of the wire of the component in the solder? If not, the wire may have been cut too short and is just sitting in the hole and not really properly soldered into the circuit.



I’ve never seen the board, so hope this still helps,



Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Edward Musil
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:39 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: J.Haughney1@...
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA





Hi Joe,
Interesting! I have a similar problem with a Lionel UP engine except mine only goes forward it will not go into reverse at all. When I try to change directions it has 3 cycles of nothing then goes forward. Does that make any sense?
I have tried several things to fix the problem including taking a soldering iron point and melting each solder spot on the board to see if one of the solder joints may have been defective. So far I haven't had any luck. When I first tried the engine on the track it would occasionally go into reverse (maybe once every 10 tries), but since I have done the soldering it doesn't do that anymore.. I have another Lionel PA engine that works fine and I have looked at both engines side by side to see if I could see anything in the electronics on the bad one that was out of the ordinary IE burned or heated. So far no luck there. There are 4 transistors that are mounted on the board 2 of them side by side and under each other. They are all mounted on the same heat shield. One time I used a plastic pick and moved one of them and the engine reversed. That was before I hit everything with the soldering iron and now I haven't been able to get
it to work again. But, I suspect on mine, that the problem may be in those transistors or around that area on the board. I will let you know if I get the problem solved.

BTW Have you noticed that on the back of the engine there are two ceramic capacitors that seem to get fairly warm? On my other PA engine that works right those capacitors don't seem to get warm at all.
Good Luck!
Ed Musil

________________________________
From: Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@... <mailto:J.Haughney1%40verizon.net> >
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA


Gentlemen,

I have finally gotten a layout and have started to run my engines. I have a
Flyonel UP PA set that I bought about five years ago that I was checking
out and I was having a problem with the PA. It would only run in reverse. It
clicks into reverse then it clicks into standing still. I have resolved
problems with the Flyer Pas but before I took apart the Flyonel PA I was
wondering if anyone had similar problems and had any suggestions before I
went off exploring.

Thanks ,

Joe Haughney

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69865 From: David Date: 6/14/2012
Subject: ROCK ISLAND Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
We have just added #244 ROCK ISLAND engine & tender set+ for an 0-8-0 to
our web site at

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html>

This newest addition to the E&T section is printed in WHITE and parts of
this set+ may also be used on other engine & tender units as well as
some rolling stock (a great looking herald in two sizes).

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises, llc



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69866 From: Edward Musil Date: 6/14/2012
Subject: Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA
Thanks Jerry for the tip!  I went and looked at my engine again after I had sent out the email to Joe.  I unscrewd the board from the engine and used a tweezers to move the wires around to look at the components better and one of  the red wires that went from the capacitors to the board fell off of the board.  I re-soldered the wire back on and now the engine works perfectly!  No heating of the capacitors at all.  This red wire is soldered onto the board directly above the 4 transistors and that is why it  made an intermittent connection when I moved one of the transistors.. 
Thanks again!
Ed


________________________________
From: Gerald Feldman <gfeldman2904@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:09 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA


 
Ed,

Capacitors across the motor are likely there to suppress arcing from the brushes. They should NOT be getting hot. As for the intermittent operation, You may still have a poor connection on the board or perhaps a hairline break in the foil. Transistors generally fail or they don’t, so if it works sometimes and not others, than it is probably not the fault of a bad transistor. What other components are on the board, as one of them might be intermittent? Examine all the traces closely with a magnifying glass to look for breaks. In 55 years of working in electronics I have also seen components that appeared to be soldered properly, but were not. Where you touched up the solder in the holes, can you see the end of the wire of the component in the solder? If not, the wire may have been cut too short and is just sitting in the hole and not really properly soldered into the circuit.

I’ve never seen the board, so hope this still helps,

Jerry F.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Edward Musil
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:39 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: J.Haughney1@...
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA

Hi Joe,
Interesting! I have a similar problem with a Lionel UP engine except mine only goes forward it will not go into reverse at all. When I try to change directions it has 3 cycles of nothing then goes forward. Does that make any sense?
I have tried several things to fix the problem including taking a soldering iron point and melting each solder spot on the board to see if one of the solder joints may have been defective. So far I haven't had any luck. When I first tried the engine on the track it would occasionally go into reverse (maybe once every 10 tries), but since I have done the soldering it doesn't do that anymore.. I have another Lionel PA engine that works fine and I have looked at both engines side by side to see if I could see anything in the electronics on the bad one that was out of the ordinary IE burned or heated. So far no luck there. There are 4 transistors that are mounted on the board 2 of them side by side and under each other. They are all mounted on the same heat shield. One time I used a plastic pick and moved one of them and the engine reversed. That was before I hit everything with the soldering iron and now I haven't been able to get
it to work again. But, I suspect on mine, that the problem may be in those transistors or around that area on the board. I will let you know if I get the problem solved.

BTW Have you noticed that on the back of the engine there are two ceramic capacitors that seem to get fairly warm? On my other PA engine that works right those capacitors don't seem to get warm at all.
Good Luck!
Ed Musil

________________________________
From: Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@... <mailto:J.Haughney1%40verizon.net> >
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA

Gentlemen,

I have finally gotten a layout and have started to run my engines. I have a
Flyonel UP PA set that I bought about five years ago that I was checking
out and I was having a problem with the PA. It would only run in reverse. It
clicks into reverse then it clicks into standing still. I have resolved
problems with the Flyer Pas but before I took apart the Flyonel PA I was
wondering if anyone had similar problems and had any suggestions before I
went off exploring.

Thanks ,

Joe Haughney

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69867 From: Don 'Mac' Date: 6/14/2012
Subject: Red Caboose Motel??? Flyonel PAs??? Which is it?
RE: RED CABOOSE MOTEL
Posted by: "Joseph Haughney" J.Haughney1@...   zane323
Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:01 pm (PDT)
Gentlemen,

I have finally gotten a layout and have started to run my engines. I have a Flyonel UP PA.......................etc

RE: RED CABOOSE MOTEL
Posted by: "Edward Musil" barnabusxx@...   barnabusxx
Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:48 pm (PDT)

Hi Joe,
Interesting!  I have a similar problem with a Lionel UP engine except mine only goes forward..................etc

RE: RED CABOOSE MOTEL
Posted by: "Gerald Feldman" gfeldman2904@...   gfeldman2904@...
Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:55 am (PDT)
Ed,

Capacitors across the motor are likely there to suppress arcing from the brushes.............................etc

Guys...Guys...etal. Are the lights on?? Is anyone home??
What do the above messages have to do with the Red
Caboose Motel? Are you discussing PA's, or are you talking
about the Red Caboose Motel?
Please...P L E A S E...change the subject when you are
moving on to a different topic. Everyone on this list
(whether they realize it or not), I'm sure will appreciate
the correct subject being posted with the appropriate
message. This from someone who reads a lot, but submits
messages very, very infrequently. I see that Bob Graves
tried to change the subject, but no one picked up on it.

Re: Flyonel UP PA problems
Posted by: "Robert Graves"

Thanks guys,
Don McGinnis
Group: S-Trains Message: 69868 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 6/14/2012
Subject: Re: Red Caboose Motel??? Flyonel PAs??? Which is it?
Flyonel Pas. Sorry about the Red Caboose Subject line. I thought that I had
replaced with FLYONEL Pas before it was sent. So much for my quality control

Thanks all

Joe Haughney



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Don 'Mac'
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:46 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Red Caboose Motel??? Flyonel PAs??? Which is it?





RE: RED CABOOSE MOTEL
Posted by: "Joseph Haughney" J.Haughney1@...
<mailto:J.Haughney1%40verizon.net> zane323
Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:01 pm (PDT)
Gentlemen,

I have finally gotten a layout and have started to run my engines. I have a
Flyonel UP PA.......................etc

RE: RED CABOOSE MOTEL
Posted by: "Edward Musil" barnabusxx@...
<mailto:barnabusxx%40yahoo.com> barnabusxx
Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:48 pm (PDT)

Hi Joe,
Interesting! I have a similar problem with a Lionel UP engine except mine
only goes forward..................etc

RE: RED CABOOSE MOTEL
Posted by: "Gerald Feldman" gfeldman2904@...
<mailto:gfeldman2904%40pacbell.net> gfeldman2904@...
<mailto:gfeldman2904%40pacbell.net>
Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:55 am (PDT)
Ed,

Capacitors across the motor are likely there to suppress arcing from the
brushes.............................etc

Guys...Guys...etal. Are the lights on?? Is anyone home??
What do the above messages have to do with the Red
Caboose Motel? Are you discussing PA's, or are you talking
about the Red Caboose Motel?
Please...P L E A S E...change the subject when you are
moving on to a different topic. Everyone on this list
(whether they realize it or not), I'm sure will appreciate
the correct subject being posted with the appropriate
message. This from someone who reads a lot, but submits
messages very, very infrequently. I see that Bob Graves
tried to change the subject, but no one picked up on it.

Re: Flyonel UP PA problems
Posted by: "Robert Graves"

Thanks guys,
Don McGinnis





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69869 From: R G Date: 6/14/2012
Subject: Re: Flyonel UP PA problems
My Erie PA set from the 80's had issues with reversing correctly.  Eventually the electronic e-unit stop working completely and I replaced it with another e-unit.  However the new one does not have a directional lock out. But for $30.00 it has work fine for years!



________________________________
From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Flyonel UP PA problems


 
Won't it EVER go forward?  I haven't had that problem.

The recurring problem I do have is that I lock it into forward only for running on my club's layout.  It works fine most of the time, but every once in a while, it starts up in reverse and I have to go through the cycle again and lock it into forward only.  Is anyone else having this problem and is there a solution?

________________________________
From: Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Red caboose Motel Strasburg, PA


 
Gentlemen,

I have finally gotten a layout and have started to run my engines. I have a
Flyonel UP PA set that I bought about five years ago that I was checking
out and I was having a problem with the PA. It would only run in reverse. It
clicks into reverse then it clicks into standing still. I have resolved
problems with the Flyer Pas but before I took apart the Flyonel PA I was
wondering if anyone had similar problems and had any suggestions before I
went off exploring.

Thanks ,

Joe Haughney

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69870 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 6/15/2012
Subject: Re: ROCK ISLAND Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
thanks for info


-----Original Message-----
From: David <reujan2000@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 14, 2012 12:11 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] ROCK ISLAND Decal Set+ (Advertisement)





We have just added #244 ROCK ISLAND engine & tender set+ for an 0-8-0 to
our web site at

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html>

This newest addition to the E&T section is printed in WHITE and parts of
this set+ may also be used on other engine & tender units as well as
some rolling stock (a great looking herald in two sizes).

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises, llc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69871 From: n9guy@juno.com Date: 6/15/2012
Subject: Re: ROCK ISLAND Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
I looked and did not see how much for shipping on the order form.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Noplowboy@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ROCK ISLAND Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:11:16 -0400 (EDT)


<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

thanks for info

-----Original Message-----
From: David <reujan2000@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 14, 2012 12:11 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] ROCK ISLAND Decal Set+ (Advertisement)

We have just added #244 ROCK ISLAND engine & tender set+ for an 0-8-0 to
our web site at

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html>

This newest addition to the E&T section is printed in WHITE and parts of
this set+ may also be used on other engine & tender units as well as
some rolling stock (a great looking herald in two sizes).

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises, llc

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____________________________________________________________
53 Year Old Mom Looks 33
The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4fdbab5cd8f5a50e38ast01vuc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69872 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 6/15/2012
Subject: Re: ROCK ISLAND Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
SHIPPING IS FREE unless other wise noted.
 
 


--- On Fri, 6/15/12, n9guy@... <n9guy@...> wrote:


From: n9guy@... <n9guy@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ROCK ISLAND Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 15, 2012, 5:37 PM



 



I looked and did not see how much for shipping on the order form.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Noplowboy@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ROCK ISLAND Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:11:16 -0400 (EDT)

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

thanks for info

-----Original Message-----
From: David <reujan2000@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 14, 2012 12:11 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] ROCK ISLAND Decal Set+ (Advertisement)

We have just added #244 ROCK ISLAND engine & tender set+ for an 0-8-0 to
our web site at

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html>

This newest addition to the E&T section is printed in WHITE and parts of
this set+ may also be used on other engine & tender units as well as
some rolling stock (a great looking herald in two sizes).

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises, llc

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53 Year Old Mom Looks 33
The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4fdbab5cd8f5a50e38ast01vuc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69873 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/16/2012
Subject: Saw Mill Question
Hi Folks,

I was working on my friend's O-Scale layout today (forgive me) and got
to the task of wiring his saw mill. It is the MTH version of the
venerable Gilbert design. My friend bought it new a few years ago and it
has been just sitting there. It looks like everyone has made it at one
time or another.

It does not work right. We fixed the issue with the string and the
pulley alignment. We fixed the issue with jammed boards in the hopper.
Sadly, the thing does not pick and carry the cut boards very well. The
wire piece is not bent symmetrically. That tells us it has been gorked
at some time in its history. Right now, the pickup hook (for want of a
better term) has two expressed problems. It does not want to go all the
way in and under the boards (most of the time - makes it OK with a
little help). The ends of the hook hit the deck and stop before moving
under the cut board. The second problem is that it does not carry the
boards evenly. The wire support on one side seems OK, but the other side
is not quite right. The boards it does pick up are slewed and almost off
one end of the hook.

I did check the section of the "K-Lone" repair manual compendium. No
help. Before we start wildly bending and re-bending that wire piece, I
seek some assistance. What should that piece look like? The ends look to
be straight down in the K-Line book, but, if so, they will certainly not
fit beneath the cut board pickup area.

Any (well almost any) suggestions would be appreciated. This sawmill
sits near two different Lionel log loaders. They are performing
perfectly and I do not want them to show up the Flyer design.

Bill

--
Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us
Group: S-Trains Message: 69874 From: sioneli80 Date: 6/16/2012
Subject: Looking to fill a lot of real estate? huge background flat available
This is officially HO Scale but is BIG HO Scale so it works perfectly for an S Scale background flat or you could even kitbash it into a factory. Since I last posted I've sold another dozen of these to S Scale modelers and have been getting great feedback on the castings.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Huge-6-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3-Sn2-Scale-Free-Shipping-/400304217785?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item5d33fd9eb9

If you don't do ebay contact me directly & I'll get you taken care off. A great opportunity to pick up a very nice structure for your layout. Free shipping too!

Randy Pepprock
Downtown Deco
406-821-0181
downtowndeco@... (email)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69875 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/16/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
I have the Gilbert model on the club layout.  I'll send you some pictures from my phone tomorrow when I'm down there.



________________________________
From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
To: S Trains List <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:29 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Saw Mill Question


 
Hi Folks,

I was working on my friend's O-Scale layout today (forgive me) and got
to the task of wiring his saw mill. It is the MTH version of the
venerable Gilbert design. My friend bought it new a few years ago and it
has been just sitting there. It looks like everyone has made it at one
time or another.

It does not work right. We fixed the issue with the string and the
pulley alignment. We fixed the issue with jammed boards in the hopper.
Sadly, the thing does not pick and carry the cut boards very well. The
wire piece is not bent symmetrically. That tells us it has been gorked
at some time in its history. Right now, the pickup hook (for want of a
better term) has two expressed problems. It does not want to go all the
way in and under the boards (most of the time - makes it OK with a
little help). The ends of the hook hit the deck and stop before moving
under the cut board. The second problem is that it does not carry the
boards evenly. The wire support on one side seems OK, but the other side
is not quite right. The boards it does pick up are slewed and almost off
one end of the hook.

I did check the section of the "K-Lone" repair manual compendium. No
help. Before we start wildly bending and re-bending that wire piece, I
seek some assistance. What should that piece look like? The ends look to
be straight down in the K-Line book, but, if so, they will certainly not
fit beneath the cut board pickup area.

Any (well almost any) suggestions would be appreciated. This sawmill
sits near two different Lionel log loaders. They are performing
perfectly and I do not want them to show up the Flyer design.

Bill

--
Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69876 From: Eric Date: 6/17/2012
Subject: S Trains for Sale
Part 3 2012 - I need some room and these are not going to make it to the
layout if I want to keep trains running around it. Make me an offer,
thanks!



1. SHS 00000 Rebuilt box car Painted brown unlettered NIB $35

2. SHS 01638 Refer OTOE Veggies 4003 NIB $35

3. SHS NIB #1800 Refer Chicago Macaroni $35



The following 7 PRS/AM cars have various truck types, mostly AM and SHS.
Like new condition, all professionally assembled by a person in Montreal about
10 years ago.



4. PRS 50 foot boxcar, knuckles, hirail, GN 39176 single door,
roofwalk, box. $30

5. PRS 50 foot boxcar, knuckles, hirail, NP 45789, single door no
roofwalk, has box $30

6. PRS 50 foot boxcar, knuckles, hirail, S P and S 14383, dual door
no rfwk, has box $30

7. PRS 50 foot boxcar, knuckles, hirail, S,P,and S 14478, single door
ace trucks, box. $30

8. PRS 40 foot S,P and S from 1994 Vancouver/Portland S convention,
11046 � kadees $35

9. PRS NO 40 foot green NP 42040 knuckles $30

10. PRS NP 40 foot orange refer 91403 knuckles $30



11. AM GN 4 bay hopper 705014 fast tracks box knuckles $30

12. Am S,P, and S 2 bay hopper, 22999 knuckles, $30

13.

14. AHL GM T70 Truck Birds Eye Veggies, Have 2. $15 for the pair

15. Pair of Downes/Rivet GATX Tanktrain cars. Like new in box. Both end
cars of the set (A and C) Hi-rail-knuckle #10439 and 10448. $200 for the
pair.

SHS cars all 3 for $100 plus some shipping., 4 or more PRS or AM cars are
$25 each. Plus some shipping.

All SHS l NIB are set up as hi rail wheels and knuckle couplers with the
scale wheels in the box as per SHS new. The AM and PRS have Hi-rail
wheels, I can swap out or include the scale wheel if needed.

Shipping should be about $10 for anything. A little less if you buy 1 or 2,
a little more if you buy a bunch. I ship USPS.

Make me an offer on any or all of it,, Some of it, any of it.. I would
really like to sell in bigger groups as the multiple trips to the Post
Office get expensive, Thanks�.Paypal, Postal money order, check all work.



Eric Reis

****ericrhere (at) gmail (dot) com****

Kenmore, WA.

6-16-2012


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69877 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/17/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Thanks a bunch. That is just what I need to see.

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us


On 6/16/2012 6:48 PM, Robert Graves wrote:
> I have the Gilbert model on the club layout. I'll send you some pictures from my phone tomorrow when I'm down there.
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69878 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 6/17/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Hi Bill,
� Does the cart with the half-log go back and forth.  The cart should move in front of the house where the boards come out to give the appearance that the board was just cut. After the cart moves back the board lays there for the hook to pick it up. You may want to check the boom and make sure it is locked in.  There is a square hole on the back wall where this inserts.  If you need a new hook and boards, I have repros in stock.
� Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
To: S Trains List <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 3:29 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Saw Mill Question


 
Hi Folks,

I was working on my friend's O-Scale layout today (forgive me) and got
to the task of wiring his saw mill. It is the MTH version of the
venerable Gilbert design. My friend bought it new a few years ago and it
has been just sitting there. It looks like everyone has made it at one
time or another.

It does not work right. We fixed the issue with the string and the
pulley alignment. We fixed the issue with jammed boards in the hopper.
Sadly, the thing does not pick and carry the cut boards very well. The
wire piece is not bent symmetrically. That tells us it has been gorked
at some time in its history. Right now, the pickup hook (for want of a
better term) has two expressed problems. It does not want to go all the
way in and under the boards (most of the time - makes it OK with a
little help). The ends of the hook hit the deck and stop before moving
under the cut board. The second problem is that it does not carry the
boards evenly. The wire support on one side seems OK, but the other side
is not quite right. The boards it does pick up are slewed and almost off
one end of the hook.

I did check the section of the "K-Lone" repair manual compendium. No
help. Before we start wildly bending and re-bending that wire piece, I
seek some assistance. What should that piece look like? The ends look to
be straight down in the K-Line book, but, if so, they will certainly not
fit beneath the cut board pickup area.

Any (well almost any) suggestions would be appreciated. This sawmill
sits near two different Lionel log loaders. They are performing
perfectly and I do not want them to show up the Flyer design.

Bill

--
Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69879 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/17/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Thanks Tom,

Yes, the car moves back and forth and yes, the boom is locked in place.
It is not real tightly locked, but it is in what appears to be the right
place in accordance with the K-Line book and the instructions on the MTH
box. Everything appear to be working except the hook. It does not quite
fit under the cut board and it does not pick up the cut board smoothly.
It also has a little trouble dumping the board when the operator has it
at the outer end of the boom. Maybe he just needs a little retraining.

Good to know about the boards. He has few. I had not figured out a way
to get him more good ones.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 6/17/2012 10:38 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> � Does the cart with the half-log go back and forth. The cart should move in front of the house where the boards come out to give the appearance that the board was just cut. After the cart moves back the board lays there for the hook to pick it up. You may want to check the boom and make sure it is locked in. There is a square hole on the back wall where this inserts. If you need a new hook and boards, I have repros in stock.
> � Tom Seccia
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69880 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 6/17/2012
Subject: Re: S Trains for Sale
; am looking am sd60 engine dc hirail ? low or wide nose

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric <ericrhere@...>
To: s-scale <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:33 am
Subject: [S-Trains] S Trains for Sale


Part 3 2012 - I need some room and these are not going to make it to the
ayout if I want to keep trains running around it. Make me an offer,
hanks!

1. SHS 00000 Rebuilt box car Painted brown unlettered NIB $35
2. SHS 01638 Refer OTOE Veggies 4003 NIB $35
3. SHS NIB #1800 Refer Chicago Macaroni $35

The following 7 PRS/AM cars have various truck types, mostly AM and SHS.
ike new condition, all professionally assembled by a person in Montreal about
0 years ago.

4. PRS 50 foot boxcar, knuckles, hirail, GN 39176 single door,
oofwalk, box. $30
5. PRS 50 foot boxcar, knuckles, hirail, NP 45789, single door no
oofwalk, has box $30
6. PRS 50 foot boxcar, knuckles, hirail, S P and S 14383, dual door
o rfwk, has box $30
7. PRS 50 foot boxcar, knuckles, hirail, S,P,and S 14478, single door
ce trucks, box. $30
8. PRS 40 foot S,P and S from 1994 Vancouver/Portland S convention,
1046 � kadees $35
9. PRS NO 40 foot green NP 42040 knuckles $30
10. PRS NP 40 foot orange refer 91403 knuckles $30

11. AM GN 4 bay hopper 705014 fast tracks box knuckles $30
12. Am S,P, and S 2 bay hopper, 22999 knuckles, $30
13.
14. AHL GM T70 Truck Birds Eye Veggies, Have 2. $15 for the pair
15. Pair of Downes/Rivet GATX Tanktrain cars. Like new in box. Both end
ars of the set (A and C) Hi-rail-knuckle #10439 and 10448. $200 for the
air.
SHS cars all 3 for $100 plus some shipping., 4 or more PRS or AM cars are
25 each. Plus some shipping.
All SHS l NIB are set up as hi rail wheels and knuckle couplers with the
cale wheels in the box as per SHS new. The AM and PRS have Hi-rail
heels, I can swap out or include the scale wheel if needed.
Shipping should be about $10 for anything. A little less if you buy 1 or 2,
little more if you buy a bunch. I ship USPS.
Make me an offer on any or all of it,, Some of it, any of it.. I would
eally like to sell in bigger groups as the multiple trips to the Post
ffice get expensive, Thanks�.Paypal, Postal money order, check all work.

Eric Reis
****ericrhere (at) gmail (dot) com****
Kenmore, WA.
6-16-2012

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69881 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/17/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
The thickness of the boards is crucial!!!  So is the width.  I bought my sawmill from a guy who had made some of his own boards.  Being ever so slightly different thickness and width, they often jammed and ended up stripping the gear.  Doug is sending me a replacement gear.  Getting some correct boards has made all the difference in the world.  It's absolutely amazing.




________________________________
From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Saw Mill Question


 
Thanks Tom,

Yes, the car moves back and forth and yes, the boom is locked in place.
It is not real tightly locked, but it is in what appears to be the right
place in accordance with the K-Line book and the instructions on the MTH
box. Everything appear to be working except the hook. It does not quite
fit under the cut board and it does not pick up the cut board smoothly.
It also has a little trouble dumping the board when the operator has it
at the outer end of the boom. Maybe he just needs a little retraining.

Good to know about the boards. He has few. I had not figured out a way
to get him more good ones.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 6/17/2012 10:38 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> � Does the cart with the half-log go back and forth. The cart should move in front of the house where the boards come out to give the appearance that the board was just cut. After the cart moves back the board lays there for the hook to pick it up. You may want to check the boom and make sure it is locked in. There is a square hole on the back wall where this inserts. If you need a new hook and boards, I have repros in stock.
> � Tom Seccia
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69882 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 6/17/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Hi Bill,
                     Make sure the hook is insertedin to the slot properly.  If it is and you're still having problems cut the hook so it doesn't hit the platform. It could be the wrong sized hook. Remember it was made in China.
                          Tom Seccia                                                



________________________________
From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Saw Mill Question


 
Thanks Tom,

Yes, the car moves back and forth and yes, the boom is locked in place.
It is not real tightly locked, but it is in what appears to be the right
place in accordance with the K-Line book and the instructions on the MTH
box. Everything appear to be working except the hook. It does not quite
fit under the cut board and it does not pick up the cut board smoothly.
It also has a little trouble dumping the board when the operator has it
at the outer end of the boom. Maybe he just needs a little retraining.

Good to know about the boards. He has few. I had not figured out a way
to get him more good ones.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 6/17/2012 10:38 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> � Does the cart with the half-log go back and forth. The cart should move in front of the house where the boards come out to give the appearance that the board was just cut. After the cart moves back the board lays there for the hook to pick it up. You may want to check the boom and make sure it is locked in. There is a square hole on the back wall where this inserts. If you need a new hook and boards, I have repros in stock.
> � Tom Seccia
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69883 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/17/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Hi Bill,

The sawmill can take a lot of patience to get working consistently. You have to play around with the speed and the hook to get everything in sync. I have a rheostat installed in the wiring so I can control the speed. Here is a video of my sawmill that may help you:

http://tinyurl.com/7h83rqm

Just take your time and realize if you get over 50% of the lumber loaded you are doing pretty good!

David




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I was working on my friend's O-Scale layout today (forgive me) and got
> to the task of wiring his saw mill. It is the MTH version of the
> venerable Gilbert design. My friend bought it new a few years ago and it
> has been just sitting there. It looks like everyone has made it at one
> time or another.
>
> It does not work right. We fixed the issue with the string and the
> pulley alignment. We fixed the issue with jammed boards in the hopper.
> Sadly, the thing does not pick and carry the cut boards very well. The
> wire piece is not bent symmetrically. That tells us it has been gorked
> at some time in its history. Right now, the pickup hook (for want of a
> better term) has two expressed problems. It does not want to go all the
> way in and under the boards (most of the time - makes it OK with a
> little help). The ends of the hook hit the deck and stop before moving
> under the cut board. The second problem is that it does not carry the
> boards evenly. The wire support on one side seems OK, but the other side
> is not quite right. The boards it does pick up are slewed and almost off
> one end of the hook.
>
> I did check the section of the "K-Lone" repair manual compendium. No
> help. Before we start wildly bending and re-bending that wire piece, I
> seek some assistance. What should that piece look like? The ends look to
> be straight down in the K-Line book, but, if so, they will certainly not
> fit beneath the cut board pickup area.
>
> Any (well almost any) suggestions would be appreciated. This sawmill
> sits near two different Lionel log loaders. They are performing
> perfectly and I do not want them to show up the Flyer design.
>
> Bill
>
> --
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
> wpporter.duckburg.us
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69884 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/18/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Hi Tom,

I am pretty sure you are on to something there. I have the excellent
photos sent by Brother Graves. The hook at his club layout has the ends
clipped shorter than are the ones on the MTH unit. That gives me three
things to work on:

[1] Proper bends in the hook wire
[2] Proper length of the end sections of the hook
[3] Voltage (Gene Hackman's character in "Crimson Tide" when speaking of
the training process for the Lipizzaner Stallions said: It simply a
matter of voltage!)

Thanks,
Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 6/17/2012 10:55 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> Make sure the hook is insertedin to the slot properly. If it is and you're still having problems cut the hook so it doesn't hit the platform. It could be the wrong sized hook. Remember it was made in China.
> Tom Seccia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 11:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Saw Mill Question
>
>
>
> Thanks Tom,
>
> Yes, the car moves back and forth and yes, the boom is locked in place.
> It is not real tightly locked, but it is in what appears to be the right
> place in accordance with the K-Line book and the instructions on the MTH
> box. Everything appear to be working except the hook. It does not quite
> fit under the cut board and it does not pick up the cut board smoothly.
> It also has a little trouble dumping the board when the operator has it
> at the outer end of the boom. Maybe he just needs a little retraining.
>
> Good to know about the boards. He has few. I had not figured out a way
> to get him more good ones.
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
> wpporter.duckburg.us
>
> On 6/17/2012 10:38 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote:
>> Hi Bill,
>> � Does the cart with the half-log go back and forth. The cart should move in front of the house where the boards come out to give the appearance that the board was just cut. After the cart moves back the board lays there for the hook to pick it up. You may want to check the boom and make sure it is locked in. There is a square hole on the back wall where this inserts. If you need a new hook and boards, I have repros in stock.
>> � Tom Seccia
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69885 From: Bill Porter Date: 6/18/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Thanks David,

The speed issue may be playing a factor. My friend has an accessory
circuit running 12.8 volts and we figured it would be OK to use that. It
may be a little slow. We will try the speed change as soon as I can get
over there and bend that hook to be a little closer to specs.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 6/17/2012 10:47 PM, bull_gator_1 wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> The sawmill can take a lot of patience to get working consistently. You have to play around with the speed and the hook to get everything in sync. I have a rheostat installed in the wiring so I can control the speed. Here is a video of my sawmill that may help you:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7h83rqm
>
> Just take your time and realize if you get over 50% of the lumber loaded you are doing pretty good!
>
> David
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69886 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 6/18/2012
Subject: Re: S Trains for Sale
Hi Eric,


I'll take the OTOE and the Macaroni car if they are still available.


Do you have any photos of item 15?


Let me know.


Thanks


Mark Anderman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric" <ericrhere@...>
To: s-scale@yahoogroups.com, S-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:23:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] S Trains for Sale

Part 3 2012 - I need some room and these are not going to make it to the
layout if I want to keep trains running around it. Make me an offer,
thanks!



1. SHS 00000 Rebuilt box car Painted brown unlettered NIB $35

2. SHS 01638 Refer OTOE Veggies 4003 NIB $35

3. SHS NIB #1800 Refer Chicago Macaroni $35



The following 7 PRS/AM cars have various truck types, mostly AM and SHS.
Like new condition, all professionally assembled by a person in Montreal about
10 years ago.



4. PRS 50 foot boxcar, knuckles, hirail, GN 39176 single door,
roofwalk, box. $30

5. PRS 50 foot boxcar, knuckles, hirail, NP 45789, single door no
roofwalk, has box $30

6. PRS 50 foot boxcar, knuckles, hirail, S P and S 14383, dual door
no rfwk, has box $30

7. PRS 50 foot boxcar, knuckles, hirail, S,P,and S 14478, single door
ace trucks, box. $30

8. PRS 40 foot S,P and S from 1994 Vancouver/Portland S convention,
11046 � kadees $35

9. PRS NO 40 foot green NP 42040 knuckles $30

10. PRS NP 40 foot orange refer 91403 knuckles $30



11. AM GN 4 bay hopper 705014 fast tracks box knuckles $30

12. Am S,P, and S 2 bay hopper, 22999 knuckles, $30

13.

14. AHL GM T70 Truck Birds Eye Veggies, Have 2. $15 for the pair

15. Pair of Downes/Rivet GATX Tanktrain cars. Like new in box. Both end
cars of the set (A and C) Hi-rail-knuckle #10439 and 10448. $200 for the
pair.

SHS cars all 3 for $100 plus some shipping., 4 or more PRS or AM cars are
$25 each. Plus some shipping.

All SHS l NIB are set up as hi rail wheels and knuckle couplers with the
scale wheels in the box as per SHS new. The AM and PRS have Hi-rail
wheels, I can swap out or include the scale wheel if needed.

Shipping should be about $10 for anything. A little less if you buy 1 or 2,
a little more if you buy a bunch. I ship USPS.

Make me an offer on any or all of it,, Some of it, any of it.. I would
really like to sell in bigger groups as the multiple trips to the Post
Office get expensive, Thanks�.Paypal, Postal money order, check all work.



Eric Reis

****ericrhere (at) gmail (dot) com****

Kenmore, WA.

6-16-2012


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69887 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/18/2012
Subject: Re: Saw Mill Question
Yes, I run mine at reduced voltage, too.  I use the variable post of a separate 40Watt transformer for the sawmill and stockyard.  Mine is set about 13 volts and that seems to work fine.




________________________________
From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Saw Mill Question


 
Thanks David,

The speed issue may be playing a factor. My friend has an accessory
circuit running 12.8 volts and we figured it would be OK to use that. It
may be a little slow. We will try the speed change as soon as I can get
over there and bend that hook to be a little closer to specs.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 6/17/2012 10:47 PM, bull_gator_1 wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> The sawmill can take a lot of patience to get working consistently. You have to play around with the speed and the hook to get everything in sync. I have a rheostat installed in the wiring so I can control the speed. Here is a video of my sawmill that may help you:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7h83rqm
>
> Just take your time and realize if you get over 50% of the lumber loaded you are doing pretty good!
>
> David
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69888 From: Brady Date: 6/18/2012
Subject: Montblanc Models Bugalow
Looks pretty good on the corner of the layout..

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/layout/second/bungalow_on_layout.JPG


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 69889 From: tbennerohio Date: 6/19/2012
Subject: Brass smoke fluid funnels
Does anyone still sell brass smoke fluid funnels? I have aluminum ones and have made extensions for them with brass tubing and heat shrink tubing. The problem with that is a drop of fluid over the side of the funnel causes the heat shrink to lose its grip. That results in the brass extension tube left in the stack when you remove the funnel. With a brass funnel, the extension tube could be soldered on, eliminating this problem. Not a big problem, but an annoyance.

Thanks,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 69890 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 6/19/2012
Subject: Re: Brass smoke fluid funnels
How about trying an epoxy like JB Weld or PC7.....


Mark Anderman

----- Original Message -----
From: "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:38:04 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Brass smoke fluid funnels






Does anyone still sell brass smoke fluid funnels? I have aluminum ones and have made extensions for them with brass tubing and heat shrink tubing. The problem with that is a drop of fluid over the side of the funnel causes the heat shrink to lose its grip. That results in the brass extension tube left in the stack when you remove the funnel. With a brass funnel, the extension tube could be soldered on, eliminating this problem. Not a big problem, but an annoyance.

Thanks,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69891 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/19/2012
Subject: Re: SMALL FUNNELS/ BRASS
_Little Dollhouse Company: Canadian source for Doll Houses, Kits and
Furniture in our Dolls House Store_
(http://www.thelittledollhousecompany.com/dollhouses-miniatures-furniture-kits/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_
id=8138)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69892 From: Brady Burdge Date: 6/21/2012
Subject: Clever Models Paper Model Kits
Looks like they have a few new kits..

http://clevermodels.squarespace.com/models-gallery/

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69893 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 6/22/2012
Subject: Photo upload from 2011 NTS
S Friends,

The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers are pleased to announce the upload of photographs taken last year at the 2011 National Train Show in Sacramento. These pictures document much of our club's trip to display Lookout Junction III. A few of you might even see yourselves (David, Jeff, Bob).

Go to our new website
www.rockymountainhirailers.com

and click on the changing photos on the front page (or click the "Gallery" button). That will open a Flickr page. Then click on the "Slideshow" button on the right side above the thumbnails to view the show.

Those of you who were unable to see Lookout Junction at the 2011 National Train Show should start making plans to catch us at the 2014 National Train Show in Portland. We'll be there--hope you can make it, too.

YourS,
John Eichmann, Coordinator
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Home of Lookout Junction, "The S Route"
Boise, ID
John@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69894 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 6/22/2012
Subject: Re-try the address
Folks, I don't know why our URL won't work in my previous post (2011 NTS photos). But here it is again.

www.rockymountainhirailers.com

Ah, the vagaries of cyberspace!

John Eichmann
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69895 From: doerryn Date: 6/23/2012
Subject: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trains
Just finished version 1 of a project I've been working on for the past several months. Its a guide for understanding how American Flyer electrical components work, particularly those dealing with speed and directional control (i.e. AC and DC motors, E-units, AC and DC track power, interaction with action cars and sound generators, etc.) I've included pictures and screen shots of oscilloscopes where I could.

If you are interested, take a look at ...

http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf

Comments are always welcome. I'd really like to hear if I made any mistakes. Also interested in hearing what additional material you would like to see in a future version of the document.

Have a great day,

Norbert
Group: S-Trains Message: 69896 From: Herbert Date: 6/23/2012
Subject: Re: Re-try the address
You have to use the rich text editor and link icon and enter the url or
a descriptive pharase for the link. Clumsy system Yahoo

www.rockymountainhirailers.com <www.rockymountainhirailers.com>

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "JOHN and CAROL" <number22@...> wrote:
>
> Folks, I don't know why our URL won't work in my previous post (2011
NTS photos). But here it is again.
>
> www.rockymountainhirailers.com
>
> Ah, the vagaries of cyberspace!
>
> John Eichmann
> Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
> Boise
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69897 From: Brady Date: 6/23/2012
Subject: Jersey Central (NS) Heritage Unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 69898 From: Frank Date: 6/23/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Great job, very nice. Frank

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 23, 2012, at 11:24 AM, "doerryn" <doerry@...> wrote:

>
> Just finished version 1 of a project I've been working on for the past several months. Its a guide for understanding how American Flyer electrical components work, particularly those dealing with speed and directional control (i.e. AC and DC motors, E-units, AC and DC track power, interaction with action cars and sound generators, etc.) I've included pictures and screen shots of oscilloscopes where I could.
>
> If you are interested, take a look at ...
>
> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf
>
> Comments are always welcome. I'd really like to hear if I made any mistakes. Also interested in hearing what additional material you would like to see in a future version of the document.
>
> Have a great day,
>
> Norbert
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69899 From: Herbert Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Thanks for your effort. Adds a lot to the knowledge base for those
few of us who are interested in the developmental history of model trains.
Herb W

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Frank <femiro2002@...> wrote:
>
> Great job, very nice. Frank
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 23, 2012, at 11:24 AM, "doerryn" <doerry@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Just finished version 1 of a project I've been working on for the past several months. Its a guide for understanding how American Flyer electrical components work, particularly those dealing with speed and directional control (i.e. AC and DC motors, E-units, AC and DC track power, interaction with action cars and sound generators, etc.) I've included pictures and screen shots of oscilloscopes where I could.
> >
> > If you are interested, take a look at ...
> >
> > http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf
> >
> > Comments are always welcome. I'd really like to hear if I made any mistakes. Also interested in hearing what additional material you would like to see in a future version of the document.
> >
> > Have a great day,
> >
> > Norbert
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69900 From: Timboy Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doerryn" <doerry@...> wrote:
>
>
> Just finished version 1 of a project I've been working on for the past several months. Its a guide for understanding how American Flyer electrical components work, particularly those dealing with speed and directional control (i.e. AC and DC motors, E-units, AC and DC track power, interaction with action cars and sound generators, etc.) I've included pictures and screen shots of oscilloscopes where I could.
>
> If you are interested, take a look at ...
>
> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf
>
> Comments are always welcome. I'd really like to hear if I made any mistakes. Also interested in hearing what additional material you would like to see in a future version of the document.
>
> Have a great day,
>
> Norbert
>
HOLY MOLY! You need to get that "published" on http://myflyertrains.org/
Group: S-Trains Message: 69901 From: John Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Great job! Answers some questions I have and will be a convenient source for refreshing my memory when, 3 years from now I need to remember how some things work.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doerryn" <doerry@...> wrote:
>
>
> Just finished version 1 of a project I've been working on for the past several months. Its a guide for understanding how American Flyer electrical components work, particularly those dealing with speed and directional control (i.e. AC and DC motors, E-units, AC and DC track power, interaction with action cars and sound generators, etc.) I've included pictures and screen shots of oscilloscopes where I could.
>
> If you are interested, take a look at ...
>
> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf
>
> Comments are always welcome. I'd really like to hear if I made any mistakes. Also interested in hearing what additional material you would like to see in a future version of the document.
>
> Have a great day,
>
> Norbert
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69902 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Tr..
Great work. Lots of time involved there.
Steve...SnS Trains



_http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTr
ains.pdf_
(http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf)

Comments are always welcome. I'd really like to hear if I made any
mistakes. Also interested in hearing what additional material you would like to
see in a future version of the document.

Have a great day,

Norbert









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Group: S-Trains Message: 69903 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Norbert, you have created an excellent treatise on the subject! Comprehensive and well illustrated to the point that even an old tinkerer like me can understand it...well at least most of it. A great piece of research and writing that deserves a wider audience.
Move to the head of the class.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69904 From: Brady Burdge Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Yes, this should be published on-line, nice work

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
Sent: Sun Jun 24 06:50:35 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trains






--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doerryn" <doerry@...> wrote:
>
>
> Just finished version 1 of a project I've been working on for the past several months. Its a guide for understanding how American Flyer electrical components work, particularly those dealing with speed and directional control (i.e. AC and DC motors, E-units, AC and DC track power, interaction with action cars and sound generators, etc.) I've included pictures and screen shots of oscilloscopes where I could.
>
> If you are interested, take a look at ...
>
> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf
>
> Comments are always welcome. I'd really like to hear if I made any mistakes. Also interested in hearing what additional material you would like to see in a future version of the document.
>
> Have a great day,
>
> Norbert
>
HOLY MOLY! You need to get that "published" on http://myflyertrains.org/





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69905 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Jersey Central (NS) Heritage Unit
is any one going to make this in s gauge?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69906 From: Ray Puls Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Direction and speed control
    Hi,
I have tried to get to your document several times but I get message of website error.
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69907 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Cincinniti, Ohio
Any hobby shops in Cincinniti, Ohio sale s gauge trains, ie american flyer at
reasonable prices anyone know? 

Tks Jim Davidson

ps know about display at union station but anything else?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69908 From: Frank Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Direction and speed control
That happened to me on the first try. Give it another try and wait a few seconds for it to down load. There are several pages.
Frank

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 24, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Ray Puls <rpuls3@...> wrote:

> Hi,
> I have tried to get to your document several times but I get message of website error.
> Ray
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69909 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 6/24/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Excellent!  Thank you.  This will be handy.
Neil in Oregon

--- On Sat, 6/23/12, doerryn <doerry@...> wrote:

From: doerryn <doerry@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trains
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 23, 2012, 3:24 PM
















 











Just finished version 1 of a project I've been working on for the past several months. Its a guide for understanding how American Flyer electrical components work, particularly those dealing with speed and directional control (i.e. AC and DC motors, E-units, AC and DC track power, interaction with action cars and sound generators, etc.) I've included pictures and screen shots of oscilloscopes where I could.



If you are interested, take a look at ...



http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf



Comments are always welcome. I'd really like to hear if I made any mistakes. Also interested in hearing what additional material you would like to see in a future version of the document.



Have a great day,



Norbert



























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Group: S-Trains Message: 69910 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Actually it is published online. That is how we got to see it - by
viewing it online. Just save the link to your bookmarks or save a copy
of the pdf or print it out.

Norbert,

Thank you for sharing this wealth of information and producing such a
professional and well organized manual.

Dale Smith


On 6/24/2012 2:04 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
>
> Yes, this should be published on-line, nice work
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...
> <mailto:timstrains2000%40yahoo.com>>
> Sent: Sun Jun 24 06:50:35 CDT 2012
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of
> American Flyer Trains
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "doerryn" <doerry@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just finished version 1 of a project I've been working on for the
> past several months. Its a guide for understanding how American Flyer
> electrical components work, particularly those dealing with speed and
> directional control (i.e. AC and DC motors, E-units, AC and DC track
> power, interaction with action cars and sound generators, etc.) I've
> included pictures and screen shots of oscilloscopes where I could.
> >
> > If you are interested, take a look at ...
> >
> >
> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf
> >
> > Comments are always welcome. I'd really like to hear if I made any
> mistakes. Also interested in hearing what additional material you
> would like to see in a future version of the document.
> >
> > Have a great day,
> >
> > Norbert
> >
> HOLY MOLY! You need to get that "published" on http://myflyertrains.org/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69911 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Hi Norbert:
Very nice addition to our eternal quest for information. Thanks very
much for your efforts. Printed out, it will make a nice reference for
the control of speed and direction of AF trains.
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 6/23/2012 17:24, doerryn wrote:
>
>
> Just finished version 1 of a project I've been working on for the past
> several months. Its a guide for understanding how American Flyer
> electrical components work, particularly those dealing with speed and
> directional control (i.e. AC and DC motors, E-units, AC and DC track
> power, interaction with action cars and sound generators, etc.) I've
> included pictures and screen shots of oscilloscopes where I could.
>
> If you are interested, take a look at ...
>
> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf
>
> Comments are always welcome. I'd really like to hear if I made any
> mistakes. Also interested in hearing what additional material you
> would like to see in a future version of the document.
>
> Have a great day,
>
> Norbert
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69912 From: Donald Keil Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
It is very good


________________________________
From: Dale F. Smith <dalefsmith@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trains


 
Actually it is published online. That is how we got to see it - by
viewing it online. Just save the link to your bookmarks or save a copy
of the pdf or print it out.

Norbert,

Thank you for sharing this wealth of information and producing such a
professional and well organized manual.

Dale Smith

On 6/24/2012 2:04 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
>
> Yes, this should be published on-line, nice work
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...
> <mailto:timstrains2000%40yahoo.com>>
> Sent: Sun Jun 24 06:50:35 CDT 2012
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of
> American Flyer Trains
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "doerryn" <doerry@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just finished version 1 of a project I've been working on for the
> past several months. Its a guide for understanding how American Flyer
> electrical components work, particularly those dealing with speed and
> directional control (i.e. AC and DC motors, E-units, AC and DC track
> power, interaction with action cars and sound generators, etc.) I've
> included pictures and screen shots of oscilloscopes where I could.
> >
> > If you are interested, take a look at ...
> >
> >
> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf
> >
> > Comments are always welcome. I'd really like to hear if I made any
> mistakes. Also interested in hearing what additional material you
> would like to see in a future version of the document.
> >
> > Have a great day,
> >
> > Norbert
> >
> HOLY MOLY! You need to get that "published" on http://myflyertrains.org/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69913 From: Brady Burdge Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
True, but I was thinking of the link being on a website known for Flyer info. That way folks looking for such info would be more apt to find it.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: "Dale F. Smith" <dalefsmith@...>
Sent: Sun Jun 24 23:22:46 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trains




Actually it is published online. That is how we got to see it - by
viewing it online. Just save the link to your bookmarks or save a copy
of the pdf or print it out.

Norbert,

Thank you for sharing this wealth of information and producing such a
professional and well organized manual.

Dale Smith

On 6/24/2012 2:04 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
>
> Yes, this should be published on-line, nice work
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...
> <mailto:timstrains2000%40yahoo.com>>
> Sent: Sun Jun 24 06:50:35 CDT 2012
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of
> American Flyer Trains
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "doerryn" <doerry@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just finished version 1 of a project I've been working on for the
> past several months. Its a guide for understanding how American Flyer
> electrical components work, particularly those dealing with speed and
> directional control (i.e. AC and DC motors, E-units, AC and DC track
> power, interaction with action cars and sound generators, etc.) I've
> included pictures and screen shots of oscilloscopes where I could.
> >
> > If you are interested, take a look at ...
> >
> >
> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf
> >
> > Comments are always welcome. I'd really like to hear if I made any
> mistakes. Also interested in hearing what additional material you
> would like to see in a future version of the document.
> >
> > Have a great day,
> >
> > Norbert
> >
> HOLY MOLY! You need to get that "published" on http://myflyertrains.org/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69914 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Brady,

That is definitely a point to be considered. I know from personal
experience that myflyertrains gets a lot of hits on search engines for
anything mentioned on it. When my websites were new, I could type in
the name of my website and the first hit would be Chuck's mention of it
on his website. I am not sure whether it will get many search engine
hits where it is now. It can still reside on whatever web location
Norbert wants it to reside, but simple links from other websites will
help others find it.

If Norbert has no objection, I will add it to the AF Links section of my
website, americanflyerdisplays.org
<http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org>. That is where I have a lot of
links to various AF sites that are not necessarily directly related to
the historic displays. You could do the same on americanflyerlines.net
<http://www.americanflyerlines.net>

Dale


On 6/25/2012 8:56 AM, Brady Burdge wrote:
>
> True, but I was thinking of the link being on a website known for
> Flyer info. That way folks looking for such info would be more apt to
> find it.
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: "Dale F. Smith" <dalefsmith@... <mailto:dalefsmith%40att.net>>
> Sent: Sun Jun 24 23:22:46 CDT 2012
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control
> of American Flyer Trains
>
> Actually it is published online. That is how we got to see it - by
> viewing it online. Just save the link to your bookmarks or save a copy
> of the pdf or print it out.
>
> Norbert,
>
> Thank you for sharing this wealth of information and producing such a
> professional and well organized manual.
>
> Dale Smith
>
> On 6/24/2012 2:04 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
> >
> > Yes, this should be published on-line, nice work
> >
> > Sent from my Kindle Fire
> >
> > _____________________________________________
> > From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...
> <mailto:timstrains2000%40yahoo.com>
> > <mailto:timstrains2000%40yahoo.com>>
> > Sent: Sun Jun 24 06:50:35 CDT 2012
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of
> > American Flyer Trains
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "doerryn" <doerry@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Just finished version 1 of a project I've been working on for the
> > past several months. Its a guide for understanding how American Flyer
> > electrical components work, particularly those dealing with speed and
> > directional control (i.e. AC and DC motors, E-units, AC and DC track
> > power, interaction with action cars and sound generators, etc.) I've
> > included pictures and screen shots of oscilloscopes where I could.
> > >
> > > If you are interested, take a look at ...
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf
> > >
> > > Comments are always welcome. I'd really like to hear if I made any
> > mistakes. Also interested in hearing what additional material you
> > would like to see in a future version of the document.
> > >
> > > Have a great day,
> > >
> > > Norbert
> > >
> > HOLY MOLY! You need to get that "published" on http://myflyertrains.org/
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69915 From: Jeff Faust Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Just one minor criticism: when converting an AF locomotive to DC directional control, as described in section 4.4, the direction switch is not necessary. The NMRA specifies a locomotive polarity standard (I believe that the locomotive moves forward when its right-hand rail is positive, but I don't have the proper reference at hand). If a locomotive's movements are the opposite of the standard, simply reverse the connections at the pickups, and the matter is done. I'm spending a fair amount of time in the scale (DC-powered) side of the hobby these days, where it's taken for granted that each and every locomotive travels in the same direction, right out of the box.

Apart from that...you have compiled an excellent work. I look forward to future publications!

--Jeff

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doerryn" <doerry@...> wrote:
>
>
> Just finished version 1 of a project I've been working on for the past several months. Its a guide for understanding how American Flyer electrical components work, particularly those dealing with speed and directional control (i.e. AC and DC motors, E-units, AC and DC track power, interaction with action cars and sound generators, etc.) I've included pictures and screen shots of oscilloscopes where I could.
>
> If you are interested, take a look at ...
>
> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf
>
> Comments are always welcome. I'd really like to hear if I made any mistakes. Also interested in hearing what additional material you would like to see in a future version of the document.
>
> Have a great day,
>
> Norbert
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69916 From: Ted Walton Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trains
Norbert
What a great contribution to the AF toy train community. Actually,
the whole toy train community. Thanks for this great project and
looking forward to your next's.
Beat regards,
Ted Walton
Group: S-Trains Message: 69917 From: Warner, Ronald Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: trade / SHS Old Dutch Cleanser
fellow S-hobbyists

Might anyone have an 'extra' Showcase Line [S-Helper] #1 Old Dutch Cleanser billboard reefer, to exchange for an Old Dutch Cleanser #2 (00592), road#8920 ?? In my purchase/trading activity the past few years, I've acquired two of the #2 (00592), road#8920 [MIB - never run] ... I'd like to trade one of them for one MIB #1 Old Dutch Cleanser billboard reefer.

Many thanks, in advance, and "Happy railS to you ..."

Ron Warner
1425 7th Street
Shallowater, TX 79363-5105

member: NASG, TCA, & TTOS

P.S. I'm relatively 'new' to your Yahoogroup, but have bee "hooked" on Amer Flyer S-gauge since Christmas of '48 ... really appreciate your info that's exchanged via this group


________________________________
Group: S-Trains Message: 69918 From: doerryn Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Thanks for all the replies. A couple of points:

1. Feel free to either link to the document on my website, or host the document on your own website. With the copyright I used, either is permissible.

2. I have added blank pages so that chapters always start on an odd page. This makes the document easier to read when you either print or copy it double sided (I normally do this for documents that are more than about 30 pages long). If you are reading the document on screen, or printing it single sided, my guess is that you would prefer I do not add the blank pages. If folks prefer that I not add the blank pages, please let me know.

3. I'll be collecting inputs for new topics and suggested changes / corrections over the next few months. I hope to publish an updated version in the fall.

Have a great day,

Norbert


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doerryn" <doerry@...> wrote:
>
>
> Just finished version 1 of a project I've been working on for the past several months. Its a guide for understanding how American Flyer electrical components work, particularly those dealing with speed and directional control (i.e. AC and DC motors, E-units, AC and DC track power, interaction with action cars and sound generators, etc.) I've included pictures and screen shots of oscilloscopes where I could.
>
> If you are interested, take a look at ...
>
> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf
>
> Comments are always welcome. I'd really like to hear if I made any mistakes. Also interested in hearing what additional material you would like to see in a future version of the document.
>
> Have a great day,
>
> Norbert
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69919 From: doerryn Date: 6/25/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Jeff,

Thanks for this information. I was unaware that such a standard existed. I will add it to the next revision.

Have a great day,

Norbert


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Faust" <jfaust42@...> wrote:
>
> Just one minor criticism: when converting an AF locomotive to DC directional control, as described in section 4.4, the direction switch is not necessary. The NMRA specifies a locomotive polarity standard (I believe that the locomotive moves forward when its right-hand rail is positive, but I don't have the proper reference at hand). If a locomotive's movements are the opposite of the standard, simply reverse the connections at the pickups, and the matter is done. I'm spending a fair amount of time in the scale (DC-powered) side of the hobby these days, where it's taken for granted that each and every locomotive travels in the same direction, right out of the box.
>
> Apart from that...you have compiled an excellent work. I look forward to future publications!
>
> --Jeff
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doerryn" <doerry@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just finished version 1 of a project I've been working on for the past several months. Its a guide for understanding how American Flyer electrical components work, particularly those dealing with speed and directional control (i.e. AC and DC motors, E-units, AC and DC track power, interaction with action cars and sound generators, etc.) I've included pictures and screen shots of oscilloscopes where I could.
> >
> > If you are interested, take a look at ...
> >
> > http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf
> >
> > Comments are always welcome. I'd really like to hear if I made any mistakes. Also interested in hearing what additional material you would like to see in a future version of the document.
> >
> > Have a great day,
> >
> > Norbert
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69920 From: David Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
By special request we now offer a "WHEEL SETTING TOOL" for pre-1966 AF
high rail wheels. This new tool allows both the novice and master
modeler and all in between to set the weels of their rolling stock and
tenders on the axles perfectly. To view this NEW TOOL please go to our
web site at



http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>



and look in the tool section.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69921 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Norbert,

I have linked it on http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org I like the
link, rather than hosting it. That way, if you make changes, they will
be reflected in your original document and the link will take y ou to
that latest edition. If you ever move it or take it down, just let me
know at flyerdisplays@... and I will change the link or host it for you.

Thanks again.

Dale

On 6/25/2012 3:37 PM, doerryn wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the replies. A couple of points:
>
> 1. Feel free to either link to the document on my website, or host the
> document on your own website. With the copyright I used, either is
> permissible.
>
> 2. I have added blank pages so that chapters always start on an odd
> page. This makes the document easier to read when you either print or
> copy it double sided (I normally do this for documents that are more
> than about 30 pages long). If you are reading the document on screen,
> or printing it single sided, my guess is that you would prefer I do
> not add the blank pages. If folks prefer that I not add the blank
> pages, please let me know.
>
> 3. I'll be collecting inputs for new topics and suggested changes /
> corrections over the next few months. I hope to publish an updated
> version in the fall.
>
> Have a great day,
>
> Norbert
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "doerryn" <doerry@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just finished version 1 of a project I've been working on for the
> past several months. Its a guide for understanding how American Flyer
> electrical components work, particularly those dealing with speed and
> directional control (i.e. AC and DC motors, E-units, AC and DC track
> power, interaction with action cars and sound generators, etc.) I've
> included pictures and screen shots of oscilloscopes where I could.
> >
> > If you are interested, take a look at ...
> >
> >
> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf
> >
> > Comments are always welcome. I'd really like to hear if I made any
> mistakes. Also interested in hearing what additional material you
> would like to see in a future version of the document.
> >
> > Have a great day,
> >
> > Norbert
> >
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69922 From: Brady Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: PC & IT Heritage Units (NS)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69923 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
Dave,

How does this tool work? Does is set the guage between the wheels also?

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> By special request we now offer a "WHEEL SETTING TOOL" for pre-1966 AF
> high rail wheels. This new tool allows both the novice and master
> modeler and all in between to set the weels of their rolling stock and
> tenders on the axles perfectly. To view this NEW TOOL please go to our
> web site at
>
>
>
> http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
> <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>
>
>
>
> and look in the tool section.
>
> Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69924 From: Ray Puls Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: (no subject)
RE: direction and speed control
 
After reading all the comments on this article and trying innumerable times to see it I seem to be the only person who can't get there.
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69925 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
you can use a dime for wheel setting


-----Original Message-----
From: David <reujan2000@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 10:40 am
Subject: [S-Trains] NEW Wheel Setting Tool





By special request we now offer a "WHEEL SETTING TOOL" for pre-1966 AF
high rail wheels. This new tool allows both the novice and master
modeler and all in between to set the weels of their rolling stock and
tenders on the axles perfectly. To view this NEW TOOL please go to our
web site at

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>

and look in the tool section.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69926 From: jtkeating Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Flyonel 6-5906 Sound Activation Button
Hello List Members; I am searching for connection instructions for a Flyonel 6-5906 Sound Activation Button. I have misplaced my instructions and would greatly appreciate your help with my quest. Thank You in advance and keep on Flyering.
John Keating
Group: S-Trains Message: 69927 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
you can use a dime for wheel setting


-----Original Message-----
From: David <reujan2000@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 10:40 am
Subject: [S-Trains] NEW Wheel Setting Tool





By special request we now offer a "WHEEL SETTING TOOL" for pre-1966 AF
high rail wheels. This new tool allows both the novice and master
modeler and all in between to set the weels of their rolling stock and
tenders on the axles perfectly. To view this NEW TOOL please go to our
web site at

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>

and look in the tool section.

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69928 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Re: (unknown)
You may have to upgrade your Adobe Reader to version 7 to get it to open
correctly?

Carl




-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Ray Puls
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:03 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] (unknown)



RE: direction and speed control

After reading all the comments on this article and trying innumerable
times to see it I seem to be the only person who can't get there.
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69929 From: NEIL Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Blue Comet
Does anyone have color pictures of the Central Railroad of New Jersey Blue Comet. I'm thinking about making one of these and need some good color pics to use for reference.

Thanks all,
Neil
Group: S-Trains Message: 69930 From: doerryn Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: getting to Speed and Directional Control of American FLyer Trains
Try copying the following URL to your browser ...

http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf

If that doesn't work try going to

http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm

and at the very bottom of the page there is a link to the document.

If all else fails, send me an email and I will email it to you.

Have a great day,

Norbert




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ray Puls <rpuls3@...> wrote:
>
> RE: direction and speed control
>  
> After reading all the comments on this article and trying innumerable times to see it I seem to be the only person who can't get there.
> Ray
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69931 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-5906 Sound Activation Button
Maybe this will help?
http://www.tuveson.com/SoundButtonHookup/SoundButtons.htm

Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of jtkeating
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:23 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel 6-5906 Sound Activation Button



Hello List Members; I am searching for connection instructions for a
Flyonel 6-5906 Sound Activation Button. I have misplaced my instructions and
would greatly appreciate your help with my quest. Thank You in advance and
keep on Flyering.
John Keating






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69932 From: Brady Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Re: Document on Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trai
Norbert,

Thanks, I posted a link to your manual on my humble web site, http://www.americanflyerlines.net


BTW, I noticed on your main web page that your C64 is still in action, nice to see an old favorite still going strong.


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 69933 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
David,
     This tool allows the operator to set the wheels on the axles straight and at exactly 90 degrees to the axle. As there are at least three differant spacings of wheels then no it does not set the gauge of the wheels but makes it so easy to do so. No more fumblying and cussing.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc



--- On Tue, 6/26/12, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:


From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 11:57 AM



 



Dave,

How does this tool work? Does is set the guage between the wheels also?

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> By special request we now offer a "WHEEL SETTING TOOL" for pre-1966 AF
> high rail wheels. This new tool allows both the novice and master
> modeler and all in between to set the weels of their rolling stock and
> tenders on the axles perfectly. To view this NEW TOOL please go to our
> web site at
>
>
>
> http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
> <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>
>
>
>
> and look in the tool section.
>
> Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>








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Group: S-Trains Message: 69934 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
Dave,

Do you have any photos or instructions on it's use?
Very interested in it.

Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dave at LBR Enterprises
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:25 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool



David,
This tool allows the operator to set the wheels on the axles straight and at exactly 90 degrees to the axle. As there are at least three differant spacings of wheels then no it does not set the gauge of the wheels but makes it so easy to do so. No more fumblying and cussing.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc

--- On Tue, 6/26/12, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:

From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 11:57 AM



Dave,

How does this tool work? Does is set the guage between the wheels also?

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> By special request we now offer a "WHEEL SETTING TOOL" for pre-1966 AF
> high rail wheels. This new tool allows both the novice and master
> modeler and all in between to set the weels of their rolling stock and
> tenders on the axles perfectly. To view this NEW TOOL please go to our
> web site at
>
>
>
> http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
> <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>
>
>
>
> and look in the tool section.
>
> Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69935 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-5906 Sound Activation Button
They are in one of our website AF REPAIR CLINICS on our website.



<<I am searching for connection instructions for a Flyonel 6-5906 Sound
Activation Button. I have misplaced my instructions and would greatly
appreciate your help with my quest.>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 69936 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Re: Blue Comet
Dear Neil,
I have seen color renditions of The Blue Comet, but never an actual color photo. That would be a real find if you do locate one. I have been told many times in the last 40 years that the dark blue was the same as B&O royal blue, the light blue is Packard Blue (from the automobile). There have been lots of discussion on the cream color and several combinations of Floquil have been mentioned over the years, but I never heard of any other similar color that could be used. There is also controversy over the background color for the tender herald. Was it Royal Blue or red? A printed color brochure when, The Blue Comet was introduced, showed a red background.... I am not sure if you are aware, but we (SHS) picked out the prototypes for the AM heavyweight cars. The combine, coach, diner and observation were modeled after the CNJ cars used on The Blue Comet. For the diner, all you need to do was add truss rods as it was re-built from a wooden car.
If you need additional information, please feel free to contact me.
Don

On Jun 26, 2012, at 7:14 PM, NEIL wrote:

> Does anyone have color pictures of the Central Railroad of New Jersey Blue Comet. I'm thinking about making one of these and need some good color pics to use for reference.
>
> Thanks all,
> Neil
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69937 From: May Cunningham Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Re: Blue Comet
Good Moring to all.  I don't get on here too much as I have my hands full with the grandkids.  My husband and I were at a hobby shop in the Philly area, and we saw a two car add on set for the Blue Comet made by Lionel.  I don't know if this is a help, but the heavyweights didn't look like the ones they had for the Pennsy set there.  We did pick up the Pennsy set and the two car add on we found there.



________________________________
From: Don Thompson <don@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Blue Comet



 

Dear Neil,
I have seen color renditions of The Blue Comet, but never an actual color photo. That would be a real find if you do locate one. I have been told many times in the last 40 years that the dark blue was the same as B&O royal blue, the light blue is Packard Blue (from the automobile). There have been lots of discussion on the cream color and several combinations of Floquil have been mentioned over the years, but I never heard of any other similar color that could be used. There is also controversy over the background color for the tender herald. Was it Royal Blue or red? A printed color brochure when, The Blue Comet was introduced, showed a red background.... I am not sure if you are aware, but we (SHS) picked out the prototypes for the AM heavyweight cars. The combine, coach, diner and observation were modeled after the CNJ cars used on The Blue Comet. For the diner, all you need to do was add truss rods as it was re-built from a wooden car.
If you need additional information, please feel free to contact me.
Don

On Jun 26, 2012, at 7:14 PM, NEIL wrote:

> Does anyone have color pictures of the Central Railroad of New Jersey Blue Comet. I'm thinking about making one of these and need some good color pics to use for reference.
>
> Thanks all,
> Neil
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69938 From: Brady Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Lackawanna Heritage unit (NS)
Group: S-Trains Message: 69939 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Re: THE BLUE COMET
_CENTRAL RAILROAD OF NEW JERSEY_ (http://www.thebluecomet.com/cnj.html)

It seems by the photos on this link, there were many shades of blue. Mike


Anormal1 Smoke Fluid
Michael Strickland
211 Summit Ave
Medford, Ore
97501


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69940 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
Carl,
     Instructions come with the tool.
Dave
 


--- On Wed, 6/27/12, carl@... <carl@...> wrote:


From: carl@... <carl@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012, 7:37 AM



 



Dave,

Do you have any photos or instructions on it's use?
Very interested in it.

Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dave at LBR Enterprises
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:25 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool

David,
This tool allows the operator to set the wheels on the axles straight and at exactly 90 degrees to the axle. As there are at least three differant spacings of wheels then no it does not set the gauge of the wheels but makes it so easy to do so. No more fumblying and cussing.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc

--- On Tue, 6/26/12, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:

From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 11:57 AM

Dave,

How does this tool work? Does is set the guage between the wheels also?

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> By special request we now offer a "WHEEL SETTING TOOL" for pre-1966 AF
> high rail wheels. This new tool allows both the novice and master
> modeler and all in between to set the weels of their rolling stock and
> tenders on the axles perfectly. To view this NEW TOOL please go to our
> web site at
>
>
>
> http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
> <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>
>
>
>
> and look in the tool section.
>
> Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69941 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
Carl,
     Go to our web site at
 
http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
 
And look in our tools section. The photos are self explanatory.
DaveLBR Enterprises,llc
 


--- On Wed, 6/27/12, carl@... <carl@...> wrote:


From: carl@... <carl@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012, 7:37 AM



 



Dave,

Do you have any photos or instructions on it's use?
Very interested in it.

Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dave at LBR Enterprises
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:25 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool

David,
This tool allows the operator to set the wheels on the axles straight and at exactly 90 degrees to the axle. As there are at least three differant spacings of wheels then no it does not set the gauge of the wheels but makes it so easy to do so. No more fumblying and cussing.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc

--- On Tue, 6/26/12, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:

From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW Wheel Setting Tool
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 11:57 AM

Dave,

How does this tool work? Does is set the guage between the wheels also?

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> By special request we now offer a "WHEEL SETTING TOOL" for pre-1966 AF
> high rail wheels. This new tool allows both the novice and master
> modeler and all in between to set the weels of their rolling stock and
> tenders on the axles perfectly. To view this NEW TOOL please go to our
> web site at
>
>
>
> http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
> <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>
>
>
>
> and look in the tool section.
>
> Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.
>
> Dave
>
> LBR Enterprises,llc
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69942 From: Ray Puls Date: 6/27/2012
Subject: Direction and speed control
Thanks to all who made suggestions as to how I might access the Direction and Speed Control document. Although the different suggestions did not get me into the website I do appreciate the help. I especially want to thank Norbert who went out of his way to email it to me as an attachment.
Thank you all
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69943 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 6/28/2012
Subject: Re: THE BLUE COMET
I found a 'color' picture but I think it's been colorized. I uploaded it to the photo section see what you think.
Neil

--- On Wed, 6/27/12, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote:

From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: THE BLUE COMET
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012, 4:11 PM
















 









_CENTRAL RAILROAD OF NEW JERSEY_ (http://www.thebluecomet.com/cnj.html)



It seems by the photos on this link, there were many shades of blue. Mike





Anormal1 Smoke Fluid

Michael Strickland

211 Summit Ave

Medford, Ore

97501



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69944 From: Don Thompson Date: 6/29/2012
Subject: Re: THE BLUE COMET
Dear Neil,
Yes, that is one of the three CNJ Pacifics (831-833) decorated for The Blue Comet. But, that is one of the paint scheme applied after the demise of the famous Atlantic City passenger train.
Don

On Jun 28, 2012, at 9:26 PM, NEIL FERRIS wrote:

> I found a 'color' picture but I think it's been colorized. I uploaded it to the photo section see what you think.
> Neil
>
> --- On Wed, 6/27/12, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote:
>
> From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: THE BLUE COMET
> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012, 4:11 PM
>
>
>
> _CENTRAL RAILROAD OF NEW JERSEY_ (http://www.thebluecomet.com/cnj.html)
>
> It seems by the photos on this link, there were many shades of blue. Mike
>
> Anormal1 Smoke Fluid
>
> Michael Strickland
>
> 211 Summit Ave
>
> Medford, Ore
>
> 97501
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69945 From: sioneli80 Date: 6/29/2012
Subject: Ever wanted to get into the model RR business?
I have a couple more of the older discontinued HO Scale kits that I am no longer producing that I'd be willing to sell to an interested party. If you ever wanted to manufacture structure kits this would be a great chance to get into the business. Contact me off line at downtowndeco@... for details. Cheers!

Randy Pepprock
Downtown Deco
Group: S-Trains Message: 69946 From: David Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: "SIDE DOOR CABOOSE" (Advertisement)
This group may want to view a kit bashed AF #630 caboose which features
a new item produced by FICUS PRODUCTS for "S" gage American Flyer
trains. This new product (side doors) for AF cabooses gives these
forgotten cars a NEW LEASE ON LIFE in your rolling stock registery.

To view, go to our web blog at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/>

Thank you all for your continuing support & GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69947 From: EDWARD Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: Sunday Evening Chat
SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group

Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats: This event repeats every week.
Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM
Group: S-Trains Message: 69948 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: Installing fencing on the layout
Hi All,

I've been installing privacy fencing in my subdivision. You can see the first of several photos of the fencing and my subdivision starting here:

http://tinyurl.com/7gpqceq

Check out my other photos while you're in the photo section.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 69949 From: May Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: S gauge track
What is out there for track and turnout for American Flyer/High Rail????
Group: S-Trains Message: 69950 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: Re: S gauge track
See the TRACK OPTIONS page on our website.



<<<What is out there for track and turnout for American Flyer/High
Rail????>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 69951 From: Brady Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: Re: Installing fencing on the layout
David

Nice work. I like your neighborhood

Brady



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've been installing privacy fencing in my subdivision. You can see the first of several photos of the fencing and my subdivision starting here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7gpqceq
>
> Check out my other photos while you're in the photo section.
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69952 From: Bob Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: "Cloud" Cover
Good morning.

Well, not really but I hope it is for you.

I completed my migration to cloud computing yesterday and got hit with a couple of nasty realizations.

You may have noticed the first one: The website is temporarily down because I have to go out and find a new web hosting service. The website up until yesterday was hosted through Mobile Me, which was an Apple product. iCloud, the successor to Mobile Me, does not offer a web hosting service. I should be able to get this hiccup resolved fairly quickly.

Obviously, this impacts the summer subscription sale that was going on and scheduled to end tomorrow. The sale will be extended through July 15. For now, please e-mail me directly at: Bobnalbone04@... and put "Subscription Form" in the subject line. I will e-mail you a subscription form to download and snail-mail back.

The second issue is more serious. To move everything to iCloud a software upgrade (actually, two) was needed (naturally). So, I upgraded the software. Now my version of the Adobe Creative Suite, which is used to create the magazine and convert it to PDF is no longer supported! This is going to take some bucks to resolve and may delay the summer issue. So please, if you have previously received a subscription renewal notice, send it back with your payment as soon as possible.

So I must ask for your patience and understanding while I resolve these issues. I will keep you up to date on any progress made and regret any inconvenience to anyone.

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
"The Magazine for the S Scale Model Railroader"
Group: S-Trains Message: 69953 From: David Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: CABOOSE SIDE DOORS KIT Update (Advertisement)
I have checked with Alan at FICUS PRODUCTS as to the price and
avaliability of the caboose side doors kit and found out that these kits
are in very short supply at this time. The price per kit with
instructions is $12.50 each which includes shipping in CONUS.

You can order this kit on a first come basis at: alansmith@...
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/post?postID=WJJPRePwlGuK\
lXC37bBMIY7qEthAmQSVw9wcA6lUseXvoaPsrt2QlbLBDNig7_VQ3PjUtkfa8qU>

We will be stocking this NEW PRODUCT later in the year at our web site
at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html>

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69954 From: Thomas Kaufman Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: Re: Installing fencing on the layout
I have the same house on my layout. I guess my homeowner association needs to contact the home owner to let him know that Home Depot currently has the fence panels on sale at $35/panel. The home owner currently had installed white picket fence, so if the home owner association requires stockade fencing the home owner will have to upgrade. 

Thomas Kaufman

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69955 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: Re: THE BLUE COMET
Thanks all for the feedback.  
Don,  If I were painting a loco what brand/colors would you recommend I use to best match the AM heavy weight prototype and what paint scheme would you say I should mimic.  I have seen the MTH o gauge and the Lionel locos.  I have read the MTH matches the prototype well except the drivers should be the dark blue.  What do you think?
Any comments are welcome and appreciated. 
Thanks,Neil

--- On Fri, 6/29/12, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:

From: Don Thompson <don@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: THE BLUE COMET
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 29, 2012, 10:33 AM
















 









Dear Neil,

Yes, that is one of the three CNJ Pacifics (831-833) decorated for The Blue Comet. But, that is one of the paint scheme applied after the demise of the famous Atlantic City passenger train.

Don



On Jun 28, 2012, at 9:26 PM, NEIL FERRIS wrote:



> I found a 'color' picture but I think it's been colorized. I uploaded it to the photo section see what you think.

> Neil

>

> --- On Wed, 6/27/12, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote:

>

> From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...>

> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: THE BLUE COMET

> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012, 4:11 PM

>

>

>

> _CENTRAL RAILROAD OF NEW JERSEY_ (http://www.thebluecomet.com/cnj.html)

>

> It seems by the photos on this link, there were many shades of blue. Mike

>

> Anormal1 Smoke Fluid

>

> Michael Strickland

>

> 211 Summit Ave

>

> Medford, Ore

>

> 97501

>

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>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69956 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: Re: List Format problem
Well.....glad to know I'm not alone with this problem !



But....I'm done with both the S-Scale list and the S-Trains list, until
Yahoo fixes it !

I just tried to read Gale Hall's "columnar message", and by the time I
got halfway through it, I'd forgotten both the topic and what he started
out saying !

It's awful.

(And NO....I will NOT switch to Individual Emails. Sorry, but I already
deal with 100 to 200 per day......I don't need another 25 to 50 more in
lieu of the Digest. )

Somebody please email me when the problem is fixed.

Til then, I'm outa here.

Thanks.





<<<I subscribe to several Yahoo Lists and they all have the same
problem......all but the first post!

I use the digest mode. Good argument for all to keep posts short!
Gary>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 69957 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: MTH DCS
Since MTH HO locos have both DCC and DCS, their S locos may have both systems on board

Any thoughts out there about MTH DCS and S?

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69958 From: detmer@charter.net Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH DCS
Does DCS work with TMCC? I was not aware they are compatible.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Brady Burdge" <brady@...>
To: "S-Trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH DCS
Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 10:00 pm
Since MTH HO locos have both DCC and DCS, their S locos may have both systems on board



Any thoughts out there about MTH DCS and S?



Brady



Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69959 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
Hi Brady,

There should be just one command control system and that ought to be
DCC. It is the most flexible system. It is based on an open standard
where proprietary concerns are with execution rather than design. There
are multiple manufacturers. It supports sound, light, speed, consisting,
any number of rails, accessories, computer interface, hand held control
in tethered or wireless throttles, web control, support for a variety of
smart hand-held devices in place of single-purpose throttles where the
so owner chooses, is sponsored by a hobby-wide organization, has plug-in
interface specs already used to produce a huge number of locomotives and
it works with no on-board batteries. What's not to like?

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 7/2/2012 11:00 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
> Since MTH HO locos have both DCC and DCS, their S locos may have both systems on board
>
> Any thoughts out there about MTH DCS and S?
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69960 From: Brady Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "detmer@..." <detmer@...> wrote:
>
> Does DCS work with TMCC? I was not aware they are compatible.
>

DCS can control TMCC, you connect the TMCC Command Base to the DCS system. I'm not sure how much TMCC functionality you have on DCS (consisting?) but last time I saw it in action you could run a TMCC loco with it.


According to the S section on the OGR forum, MTH will put DCS in their S locos

http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/7061414438785464

Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 69961 From: Tom Detmer Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
Hi Bill,

Your comments make sense to me and if I were starting out fresh right
now there is no question in my mind about using DCC. I would do it in a
heartbeat. However, I have a huge investment in previous locos and
other equipment, none of which is DCC or even compatible with DCC.

So, do I now bite the bullet and make another huge investment (I'm not
sure I can justify it or that my checkbook can afford it) in converting
all my equipment to DC, which includes swapping out motors and
everything that goes with that? I can get much of the functionality I
want with an original TMCC setup on my Flyer and my newer equipment
layout. My investment in TMCC was minimal and I can run all of my
existing equipment. I may be out of luck with MTH.

MTH is unlikely to do something helpful like license the necessary board
from Lionel for TMCC as an option if we order MTH (and future SHS)
engines from them. It strikes me that MTH is starting out in the S
gauge world with one hand tied behind it's back by not offering this
option. I know I won't order anything from them unless it is available
and I can't imagine I'm the only one in this predicament.

I hear what you've said below and it makes sense that theoretically DCC
would be the standard. Still, for those of us with prior investments
it's asking a lot to convert all of our existing equipment to DCC. It's
the old Betamax vs. VHS routine again. Perhaps DCC will win in the end
but I'm not sure I can afford it.

Tom

On 7/3/2012 8:44 AM, Bill Porter wrote:
>
> Hi Brady,
>
> There should be just one command control system and that ought to be
> DCC. It is the most flexible system. It is based on an open standard
> where proprietary concerns are with execution rather than design. There
> are multiple manufacturers. It supports sound, light, speed, consisting,
> any number of rails, accessories, computer interface, hand held control
> in tethered or wireless throttles, web control, support for a variety of
> smart hand-held devices in place of single-purpose throttles where the
> so owner chooses, is sponsored by a hobby-wide organization, has plug-in
> interface specs already used to produce a huge number of locomotives and
> it works with no on-board batteries. What's not to like?
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
> wpporter.duckburg.us
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69962 From: Brady Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
Bill,

If I where to move to scale and model a specific road and era, there's no question that I'd go DCC. The only decision would be what brand of control equipment to use.

On the Flyer/hi-rail side, I think DCS and TMCC have plusses. Both allow you to run conventional AC powered trains; DCS runs conventional without the need for additional components.

TMCC and DCS also have accessory and switch controllers that are designed for toy train switches and accessories. The TMCC SC-2 is easy to install and use.


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 69963 From: Tom Detmer Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS
Dear Brady,

Thanks for this information about DCS. That's why we have this group!
There's always something to learn. It's also good news for people like
me who use TMCC. I hope TMCC will provide some sound operation because
we're paying for that in the locomotive but we'll see.

By the way, here is the response I got from MTH when I inquired about
this compatibility issue. It may not do any good but at least MTH is on
notice about the needs of S gauge owners who already have investments in
other products.

> Mr. Detmer,
>
> Thank you for your additional feedback and honest dialog; MTH
> understands when entering a new market, especially through an
> established brand, it is important to assess the needs and desires of
> the existing customers and work with those expectations to create our
> product line.I have, as requested forwarded this email to our product
> development team; I am sure they will take your suggestions into
> consideration.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Kirstin
>

Tom




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69964 From: Brady Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom Detmer <detmer@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Brady,
>
> Thanks for this information about DCS. That's why we have this group!
> There's always something to learn. It's also good news for people like
> me who use TMCC. I hope TMCC will provide some sound operation because
> we're paying for that in the locomotive but we'll see.

Tom,

Glad I could help. I used to give TMCC clinics and managed to borrow a Legacy system for a week when it first came out. I used to have regular contact with a gentleman who was a beta tester for DCS.

These days I run stock Gilbert Flyer :-)

I think the original question was about DCS and S, and DCC got in. If MTH does include DCS in their locos (along with other systems) then the S gauge community should know what is available.


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 69965 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
I am sure you guys have hit an important nail on the head. The old
technical inertia question and how to solve or even whether to solve it
is clearly something to consider. If we as individuals have problems
stepping up to the task of changing out our control systems, imagine
what the manufacturers would think.

In fact, I have only conventional transformers with an optional DC
switch. My layout is pure analog with an option to engage the LocoMatic
controllers for the S-Gauge track. That way I can run a lot of very old
trains without modification. Why do I have that as well as my opinion
about DCC vs DCS vs TMCC vs any other CC system? Because I look to the
future of the scale and of trains in general. Putting so much as a
nickel into any proprietary system at this point is, well, wasteful. Our
S-Gauge market is already fragmented between folks with differing
interests in rail size, flanges, couplers and historical accuracy. Add
in diversity in control systems across each of those very small market
segments and we should expect to see large prices to cover the R&D efforts.

What do we see? Large prices for any new things.

Manufacturers are in the business of differentiating their products from
those of the competitors. Lacking a single standard, those businesses
must do all they can to create strife in the marketplace. An old adage
in sales is: "If you cannot make the sale, mess it up for the other
guy." That way, you get another bite of the apple a little later. So, of
course the manufacturers of proprietary systems will promote their own
and try to exclude the others.

One of the beauties of the DCC system is that the NMRA has defined a
socket standard. New equipment need not have the new control system, it
just needs the socket. For analog control, there is a definition for a
cheap jumper plug. When the time is right, the DCC control can just
replace the jumper. SHS made their locos this way. To my mind, it would
go a long way in the right direction if MTH and Lionel provided their
new products with a compatible plug and their own control boards. Then,
we as the consumers could control which way the market would go and
whether or not these toy trains would all need complex (and wonderfully
flexible, feature-rich) command and control systems.

I would like to see the toy train makers get out of the electronics
business and concentrate on good-looking and well-running trains. Let
the electronics outfits do what they are good at and let the trains
businesses do their bit as well as possible. Only the DCC Standard would
permit that sort of thing.

I do not plan to dispose of my trains from the 1920's-1960's. That will
be a job for my heirs. But, any new trains I acquire will need to be
something with a forward-looking design.

Old Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 7/3/2012 11:13 AM, Tom Detmer wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> Your comments make sense to me and if I were starting out fresh right
> now there is no question in my mind about using DCC. I would do it in a
> heartbeat. However, I have a huge investment in previous locos and
> other equipment, none of which is DCC or even compatible with DCC.
>
> So, do I now bite the bullet and make another huge investment (I'm not
> sure I can justify it or that my checkbook can afford it) in converting
> all my equipment to DC, which includes swapping out motors and
> everything that goes with that? I can get much of the functionality I
> want with an original TMCC setup on my Flyer and my newer equipment
> layout. My investment in TMCC was minimal and I can run all of my
> existing equipment. I may be out of luck with MTH.
>
> MTH is unlikely to do something helpful like license the necessary board
> from Lionel for TMCC as an option if we order MTH (and future SHS)
> engines from them. It strikes me that MTH is starting out in the S
> gauge world with one hand tied behind it's back by not offering this
> option. I know I won't order anything from them unless it is available
> and I can't imagine I'm the only one in this predicament.
>
> I hear what you've said below and it makes sense that theoretically DCC
> would be the standard. Still, for those of us with prior investments
> it's asking a lot to convert all of our existing equipment to DCC. It's
> the old Betamax vs. VHS routine again. Perhaps DCC will win in the end
> but I'm not sure I can afford it.
>
> Tom
>
>
.......................And Furthermore....................................

Bill,

If I where to move to scale and model a specific road and era, there's no question that I'd go DCC. The only decision would be what brand of control equipment to use.

On the Flyer/hi-rail side, I think DCS and TMCC have plusses. Both allow you to run conventional AC powered trains; DCS runs conventional without the need for additional components.

TMCC and DCS also have accessory and switch controllers that are designed for toy train switches and accessories. The TMCC SC-2 is easy to install and use.


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 69966 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/3/2012
Subject: #772 Water Tower with checkerboard tank
I got one of these in a collection I have been asked to sell.  It has no bubbling tube; in its place is the kind of black plastic tube found in the #769A Aircraft Beacon.  It has a tiny round red light bulb on top that screws into a green socket that protrudes 1/4" above the top of the tank.  It does have the familiar Gilbert nameplate on the base.

Neither the TM Guide nor Greenberg's big book list this as a known variation.  Does anyone know of this as a variation made by Gilbert, or do you think I'm correct in considering this a user modification?


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69967 From: Edward Sauers Date: 7/4/2012
Subject: Altoona Model Works **** 4th of July Sale on in stock items!!
Group,

4th of July Sale, 15% off any existing in stock Altoona Model Works Kit. See Below;
Branch Line Station - 4 in stock Sale Price $55.25
Branch Line Station With Tower - 4 in stock Sale Price $84.15
Picklers Warehouse - 1 in stock Sale Price $141.00
Single Stall Engine House - 1 in stock Sale Price $106.25
Prices in effect July 4th and 5th only, after that my normal 10% discount still applies.
Prices do not include shipping which vary depending on the kit purchased.
None stocked kits are still avaliable at the 10% discount.
Visit http://www.altoonamodelworks.net/ to view pictures of these kits, Sale prices are NOT AVAILABLE from the Altoona Site!!!
Thanks
Ed Sauers

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69968 From: Leon Bedard Date: 7/5/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
You experts appear to be answering a question I have had in my mind for
a while. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I operate 50's and 60's AF locos with and old 18B transfo which works
well. I want to add at least one ''modern'' loco, with various sounds.
Do I understand that TMCC would do the trick, i.e. operate my present
locos in addition to whichever ''modern'' loco I might add to my layout,
without having to modify my electrical set up ?
If your answer is yes, which ''modern'' loco (or locos) would you
recommend, keeping in mind that I don't want to empty my bank account.
Thank you for your input.
Leon.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69969 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 7/5/2012
Subject: Re: List Format problem (Work-Around)
Hello Friends,

I have been out of town and reading on my new iPad both my S-Trains and Toy Trains Yahoo Groups. I had no problem with my list emails on the iPad. Until I opened my laptop here at home,I didn't know what people were posting about.

I get separate emails from the S-Trains list, but I do get the Toy Trains list in digest format, and the digest does show up on my pc laptop with one good posting and all the following posts in one word per line as described.

I realize Yahoo is aware of the problem, and I am sure they are working on it. I think catering to the smart phone and iPad users is likely what resulted in both the changes by Yahoo and the problems now on our pcs. My purpose for writing here is not to add to the complaint list, but to offer a work-around that I have not seen suggested on the lists yet.

Try hitting the "Reply All" button on the digest email which should open the digest in a new pane. For me, that pane has the digest in a normal readable format. After I have read the digest, I simply delete or cancel the reply without sending it.

Not a satisfactory long term plan, but it might be a temporary fix until Yahoo gets their act together on this.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Peck
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 5:43 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: List Format problem



Well.....glad to know I'm not alone with this problem !

But....I'm done with both the S-Scale list and the S-Trains list, until
Yahoo fixes it !

I just tried to read Gale Hall's "columnar message", and by the time I
got halfway through it, I'd forgotten both the topic and what he started
out saying !

It's awful.

(And NO....I will NOT switch to Individual Emails. Sorry, but I already
deal with 100 to 200 per day......I don't need another 25 to 50 more in
lieu of the Digest. )

Somebody please email me when the problem is fixed.

Til then, I'm outa here.

Thanks.

<<<I subscribe to several Yahoo Lists and they all have the same
problem......all but the first post!

I use the digest mode. Good argument for all to keep posts short!
Gary>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69970 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/6/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
Leon,

The basic TMCC set up (CAB -1 remote & Command Base) will allow you to run TMCC equipped locomotives, provided you use a seperate transformer to put 18 volts (fixed) on the track.

To run your present locomotives you would need to add a Track Power Controller (TPC) or a Powermaster. These devices are wired between the transformer and the track and allow you to use the CAB-1 remote to vary track power.
I do not have any Lionel American Flyer locomotives. with TMCC so I cannot comment on a recommended loco.

If you do decide to go TMCC and you use a vintage transformer then you'll want to add fast blow fuses.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: Leon Bedard <leon.bedard@...>
Sent: Thu Jul 05 08:35:42 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH DCS v DCC




You experts appear to be answering a question I have had in my mind for
a while. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I operate 50's and 60's AF locos with and old 18B transfo which works
well. I want to add at least one ''modern'' loco, with various sounds.
Do I understand that TMCC would do the trick, i.e. operate my present
locos in addition to whichever ''modern'' loco I might add to my layout,
without having to modify my electrical set up ?
If your answer is yes, which ''modern'' loco (or locos) would you
recommend, keeping in mind that I don't want to empty my bank account.
Thank you for your input.
Leon.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69971 From: Tom Detmer Date: 7/6/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
I run my old Flyer, newer non-Lionel engines and new Lionel engines on
TMCC. There is a switch to allow going back and forth between command
(TMCC) and conventional mode so the same transformer can be used. My
transformer is a 15 volt transformer. I get full Railsounds this way on
the Lionel equipment. The beauty of it is that the controller works in
either mode to provide a hand held wireless control unit so you have a
walk around control. Leon is correct about the fuses. Also see Carl
Tuveson's site for more information on this and on the fuses. TMCC is a
fairly inexpensive way to go because the equipment can be picked up on
eBay for reasonable amounts. Almost always for under $200 and sometimes
for around $125 if you watch. You don't need a new Legacy setup from
Lionel unless you're really planning to get fancy.

One additional note is that you can add a Locomatic controller in the
setup so you don't have to give up any Locomatic sounds you use for
certain engines.

Tom

On 7/5/2012 11:00 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
>
> Leon,
>
> The basic TMCC set up (CAB -1 remote & Command Base) will allow you to
> run TMCC equipped locomotives, provided you use a seperate transformer
> to put 18 volts (fixed) on the track.
>
> To run your present locomotives you would need to add a Track Power
> Controller (TPC) or a Powermaster. These devices are wired between the
> transformer and the track and allow you to use the CAB-1 remote to
> vary track power.
> I do not have any Lionel American Flyer locomotives. with TMCC so I
> cannot comment on a recommended loco.
>
> If you do decide to go TMCC and you use a vintage transformer then
> you'll want to add fast blow fuses.
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: Leon Bedard <leon.bedard@... <mailto:leon.bedard%40gmail.com>>
> Sent: Thu Jul 05 08:35:42 CDT 2012
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH DCS v DCC
>
> You experts appear to be answering a question I have had in my mind for
> a while. Please correct me if I am wrong.
> I operate 50's and 60's AF locos with and old 18B transfo which works
> well. I want to add at least one ''modern'' loco, with various sounds.
> Do I understand that TMCC would do the trick, i.e. operate my present
> locos in addition to whichever ''modern'' loco I might add to my layout,
> without having to modify my electrical set up ?
> If your answer is yes, which ''modern'' loco (or locos) would you
> recommend, keeping in mind that I don't want to empty my bank account.
> Thank you for your input.
> Leon.
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69972 From: Ray Puls Date: 7/6/2012
Subject: MTH DCS v DCC
    I can make a comment on the question of operations with TMCC. If you want the ability to run conventional trains with a wireless remote all you would need is the TMCC Cab 1 plus a Powermaster, the Cab 1 will communicate directly with the Powermater to vary the voltage on the rails. If you desire to also run an engine equipped with the TMCC or Legacy driver board this would require the TMCC base unit also. You must keep in mind that if you should purchase a Legacy equipped engine the TMCC will not give access to all of the Legacy features such as the quilling horn, etc. I own a couple of the Legacy engines at present and do have both Legacy and TMCC Command bases. Running Legacy with TMCC is quite acceptable for me. As far as an engine knowing now what I do know, I would opt for one of the diesels made by Lionel, these seem to have less problems than the steamers. Another option might be installing one of the TMCC driver boards from ERR in an
engine that is factory equipped with a can motor. I have converted several of my own and though I am not an electronic genius it is not a hard conversion.
If you do have questions about the installation I have found Ken at ERR to be very patient and helpful.
Hope this might help.
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69973 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/6/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
Ray,

Thanks for pointing out the CAB-1/Powermaster option without the Command Base. If memory serves you can have up to nine Powermasters (tracks 1-9) on your layout. It’s a relatively inexpensive wireless throttle solution

Anyone considering new command equipment should at least.look at MTH. Although they have not produced anything in S yet, their DCS system is very nice and will run conventionel locos without adding additional components. The downside is you cannot upgrade your existing locomotive fleet to DCS.

For me the MTH throttles are easier to use than the CAB-1, both in conventional and command, and there's no antenna

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: Ray Puls <rpuls3@...>
Sent: Fri Jul 06 07:33:43 CDT 2012
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:MTH DCS v DCC




I can make a comment on the question of operations with TMCC. If you want the ability to run conventional trains with a wireless remote all you would need is the TMCC Cab 1 plus a Powermaster, the Cab 1 will communicate directly with the Powermater to vary the voltage on the rails. If you desire to also run an engine equipped with the TMCC or Legacy driver board this would require the TMCC base unit also. You must keep in mind that if you should purchase a Legacy equipped engine the TMCC will not give access to all of the Legacy features such as the quilling horn, etc. I own a couple of the Legacy engines at present and do have both Legacy and TMCC Command bases. Running Legacy with TMCC is quite acceptable for me. As far as an engine knowing now what I do know, I would opt for one of the diesels made by Lionel, these seem to have less problems than the steamers. Another option might be installing one of the TMCC driver boards from ERR in an
engine that is factory equipped with a can motor. I have converted several of my own and though I am not an electronic genius it is not a hard conversion.
If you do have questions about the installation I have found Ken at ERR to be very patient and helpful.
Hope this might help.
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69974 From: tbennerohio Date: 7/6/2012
Subject: Re: MTH DCS v DCC
Leon,

Like the others who responded, I have been using TMCC for track control for a few years now. It works well with old Flyer and American Models locos. The TMCC bell and whistle controls work with the AM sound. That was a bonus. My panel has phone jacks for power input and plugs are wired to a 30B and the TMCC output. The TMCC wireless control has served so well that I can't remember the last time the 30B was plugged in.

There is a caveat to using TMCC with old flyer if the loco has an air chime whistle. The TMCC AC waveform is not the same as a Flyer transformer output. That causes a continuous loud raspy buzz from the air chime speaker. One solution for me is to plug the 30B back into the panel.

The other solution is to wire a tiny toggle switch in series with the speaker. that works well with diesels. For steamers a jumper like those on a PC motherboard can be wired in series. The jumper, on a pigtail, comes out the front of the tender with the original wiring harness. With the jumper or switch off there is no buzz but no air chime. With the jumper or switch on, I plug the 30B back in and have air chime again. It may sound like a complicated setup but it really is not and it's worth it.

Good luck with whatever system you choose!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 69975 From: Bob Date: 7/6/2012
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Website Back Up & Running!
Good morning. I am pleased to report that the 1:64 Modeling Guide website is finally back up and working properly. Thank you to all who offered encouragement and advice, and thank you to everyone for your patience and understanding.

Now, all I have to do is figure out how I'm going to get updated versions of the software needed to produce & distribute the magazine without going bankrupt (I think I have a solution). However, the summer issue is likely to be postponed until mid-August. In the meantime, please, please, please, please, please if you received a renewal notice, send it in.

The summer sale for new subscribers has been extended to July 15, 2012.

Bob Nalbone
(Partially relieved) Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
www.1-64ModelingGuide.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 69976 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/7/2012
Subject: For Sale: Rocket Passenger Train
I have for sale an absolutely beautiful Gilbert Rocket passenger train with green striped cars. The overall condition is TCA C-7 (Excellent), though there are some defects (see below). The engine runs & reverses, the horn works, all lights and knuckle couplers work, all skirts and ladders are intact, the paint and lettering are excellent, and there are no broken parts or rust. I cleaned all the wheels. Book value, adjusted for condition, is $795.

Pictures are available on request.

Make offer.

The power unit has been cleaned and lubricated; it runs well. The reversing unit may need cleaning because it sometimes it fails to move in the forward position; reverse is reliable. I suspect there's a dirty spot on the drum that needs to be cleaned. The decals are near perfect and lettering strong. The light works. The decorative horns on top are missing and I don't have any on hand.

The horn in the dummy unit works well, and the decorative ones on top are present and in excellent condition. The decals are near perfect; the stamped lettering on one side is somewhat faded, though still easily readable.

The coach, Vista dome, and observation cars are all in C-7 condition. The antenna on top of the observation car is free of rust and straight as an arrow. There is no crack below the drumhead.

The top and one side of the combination car are in excellent condition. On the other side, there is significant paint loss, with black plastic showing, around the window in the door, and above the end two windows, and some lesser paint loss below them. It is simply paint loss, not damage to the car; all of the molded details of the car are intact.

Sorry, no boxes, track, paperwork, or other stuff, just engines and cars. If you would like track, transformer, etc., to make up a useable set, I can pull them together from other items I have for sale, but this train came to me without them.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69977 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/7/2012
Subject: July on "My Flyer Trains"
Chuck Harrington has posted the July STUMPY'S STATION article on his myflyertrains.org website. This month I take a look at "The Perfect Layout."
Meanwhile, work is nearly finished on a Kit Bashing series to be run on My Flyer Trains starting in September! This is planned as a step by step customizing of an old American Flyer locomotive to show you just what to do.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 69978 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/7/2012
Subject: ACE, etc
We just took in a large quantity of original ACE trucks, bolsters, and
wheelsets. They have been posted to our website inventory; if
interested, check there.

We are also in the process of posting a large quantity of structure kits
to the site.....more to come in the next couple of weeks.

And finally....regarding the Digest format problem......someone sent me
this solution which works perfectly, and simply, without having to go to
the YahooGroups website.......
When your "Columnar Digest" arrives, just click on REPLY.
The Reply message that comes up will have the entire Digest in "NORMAL"
format to read. When done, just delete it ! Great solution that works
fine for me !

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.portlines.com
www.sgaugetrains.com
www.flyerparts.com
www.amflyerparts.com
www.flyertrainparts.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69979 From: David Date: 7/8/2012
Subject: AF K-5 Multi-Unit Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
We have just added a decal set+ for pre-1966 AF K-5 engine and tender
units. This set+ enables the user to decal two (2) complete E&T units in
any of the following numbers: 312, 312AC, 313, 315, 316.

To view or purchase please go to the AMERICAN FLYER section at our web
site using the link below.

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html>

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69980 From: Bill Lane Date: 7/8/2012
Subject: Bobber Caboose for sale
I have this Bobber caboose for sale.
http://www.lanestrains.com/On30_Bobber.jpg It is a Bachmann On30 I converted
to S Scale. It has Pacific Rail Shops trucks and Kadee couplers. I don't
know if Hirail wheels car replace the scale wheels.



I used the caboose with my Howie Waelder logging train. I liked the caboose
a lot but the cupola is a bit high. Maybe this won't bother you as much. It
is more noticeable that it is large than the Bachmann On30 logging cars
which are very nice. I have another caboose in the works to replace it.



No original box. Make me an offer directly. I would consider a trade for
more Bachmann On30 logging cars or other spine cars that can be **very
easily** converted to S Scale standard gauge



Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
<http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

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<http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm>
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(Trading is MUCH preferred)
<http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls>
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***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
<http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com
<http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf>
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Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL





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Group: S-Trains Message: 69981 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/8/2012
Subject: For sale: Gilbert Flyer buildings
I have the following available from several estate collections. Prices shown are 2012 TM Guide book values adjusted for condition.  Everything is being sold on a "make offer" basis.


593 Signal Tower C-4/C-5 $25
768 Shell Oil Supply Depot C-5 $35
586F Wayside Station without figures C-6 $40
774 Floodlight Tower, early version with four separate lights, C-5 $27
772 Checkerboard Water Tower with light on top instead of the bubbler - C-6 $65
612 Freight and Passenger Station with Crane, brown trim, missing windows, C-5 $60

And lots of freight cars and engines with link, knuckle, or Pikemaster couplers, in varying conditions.
I can send pictures of anything you're interested in.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69982 From: EDWARD Date: 7/8/2012
Subject: Chat
SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/8/2012, 8:00 pm




Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group

Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Date: Sunday July 8, 2012
Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats: This event repeats every week.
Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM
Group: S-Trains Message: 69983 From: May Date: 7/9/2012
Subject: American Classic Track
I was given a link to American Classic Track. But I get a error messege that states that this site cannot be located. Is this company out of business???
Group: S-Trains Message: 69984 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 7/9/2012
Subject: Re: American Classic Track
Contact Bob Board of "ALL ABOARD RR" fame. _RBOARD@..._
(mailto:RBOARD@...)

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 7/9/2012 4:29:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mammac40@... writes:

I was given a link to American Classic Track. But I get a error messege
that states that this site cannot be located. Is this company out of
business???



------------------------------------

Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links






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Group: S-Trains Message: 69985 From: Roy Inman Date: 7/9/2012
Subject: Re: American Classic Track
I cannot find it either.

Roy



From: May <mammac40@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:30:20 +0000
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] American Classic Track






I was given a link to American Classic Track. But I get a error messege
that states that this site cannot be located. Is this company out of
business???








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Group: S-Trains Message: 69986 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 7/9/2012
Subject: Re: American Classic Track
Yeah, link won't work. Did anybody try phone: 562-949-3537 (California)??

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I cannot find it either.
>
> Roy
>
> From: May <mammac40@...>
> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:30:20 +0000
> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] American Classic Track
>
> I was given a link to American Classic Track. But I get a error messege
> that states that this site cannot be located. Is this company out of
> business???
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 69987 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 7/9/2012
Subject: Link questions
why on some of the link couplers are they painted white? seen it sometimes both
links are one end, asking just to know.
 
Tks  James Davidson

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69988 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/9/2012
Subject: Re: Link questions
They are PROBABLY not painted white.You are most likely looking at mould
release agent buildup on the couplers. It is easily removed and the link
should revert to black.


In a message dated 7/9/2012 3:58:18 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
jad01@... writes:




why on some of the link couplers are they painted white? seen it sometimes
both
links are one end, asking just to know.

Tks James Davidson

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69989 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 7/9/2012
Subject: Re: CLASSIC TRACK
Try this # I think his name is Nick

Classic Trains
American "S" Gauge
9240 Sunglow Street
Pico Rivera, CA 90660
(562) 949-3537

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69990 From: acgilbertguy Date: 7/12/2012
Subject: No Posts?
No posts since 9 July. Is everybody on vacation?
Group: S-Trains Message: 69991 From: Jimbo Date: 7/12/2012
Subject: completely confused
anyway I have a questions on the 21085 it runs fine, it smokes the way its suppose to, and the light is fines, but the trucks spark like crazy is it because its pikemaster? cant figure this one out any ideals out there, the sides for the wheels are plastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 69992 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Sparks are caused by dirt.

Dirty wheels or dirty track. Cleanliness is the road to sparklessness.

Bill (mostly clean)

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 7/12/2012 9:05 PM, Jimbo wrote:
> anyway I have a questions on the 21085 it runs fine, it smokes the way its suppose to, and the light is fines, but the trucks spark like crazy is it because its pikemaster? cant figure this one out any ideals out there, the sides for the wheels are plastic
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 69993 From: Alan Lambert Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: No Posts?
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer Club
� Hurst, Texas
All,
I haven't had time to post anything new because I have been helping my club get our new clubhouse up and running. We got 2 side by side spaces that we cut a new door opening in the wall  and had to make a ramp so it would be handycap accessable, meaning that one floor was higher than the other. We also had to redo the bathroom and make it bigger and handycap accessable. We also did some wall painting o make it look better. One room will have our layout set up, and the other room will be for our meetins and to chill out while not running trains. Good thing comes Saturday when we set the layout up and runn some trains. If you are in the Fort Worth, Dallas area I will let you know when we will have an open house day. Right now it is for members only. Working on it and other commitments I just was too tired to do any posting. Now we can get ready for our 2 upcoming train shows. 
Thanks,
� Alan Lambert�

From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:53 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] No Posts?


 
No posts since 9 July. Is everybody on vacation?




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69994 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Sparks are also caused by shorts (sideframes/wheels) if not between
wheels and tracks which, as you note, can cause sparks if dirty.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 7/13/2012 04:18, Bill Porter wrote:
>
> Sparks are caused by dirt.
>
> Dirty wheels or dirty track. Cleanliness is the road to sparklessness.
>
> Bill (mostly clean)
>
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
> wpporter.duckburg.us
>
> On 7/12/2012 9:05 PM, Jimbo wrote:
> > anyway I have a questions on the 21085 it runs fine, it smokes the
> way its suppose to, and the light is fines, but the trucks spark like
> crazy is it because its pikemaster? cant figure this one out any
> ideals out there, the sides for the wheels are plastic
> >
> >
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 69995 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
I recleaned the wheels this time use wire brush on a drimel and it worked, no
more sparks thought cleaned the wheel earlier but gusse not good enough tks vm
Jim

Davidson




________________________________
From: Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, July 13, 2012 9:53:48 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] completely confused

 
Sparks are also caused by shorts (sideframes/wheels) if not between
wheels and tracks which, as you note, can cause sparks if dirty.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 7/13/2012 04:18, Bill Porter wrote:
>
> Sparks are caused by dirt.
>
> Dirty wheels or dirty track. Cleanliness is the road to sparklessness.
>
> Bill (mostly clean)
>
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
> wpporter.duckburg.us
>
> On 7/12/2012 9:05 PM, Jimbo wrote:
> > anyway I have a questions on the 21085 it runs fine, it smokes the
> way its suppose to, and the light is fines, but the trucks spark like
> crazy is it because its pikemaster? cant figure this one out any
> ideals out there, the sides for the wheels are plastic
> >
> >
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69996 From: David Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: AF #935/979 Caboose Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
By request we have added a decal set+ in YELLOW TEXT for the AF #935 &
#979 bay window cabooses. This decal set+ includes the numbers for both
cabooses.

Please view in the American Flyer section of our web site at:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html>

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc



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Group: S-Trains Message: 69997 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Perhaps this relates to a question I was asked at our club meeting yesterday.

A guy in the club runs Gilbert engines on Gilbert track and the wheels spark so much on the track that he has to clean the tracks and wheels after only an hour's running.  It's not just one engine; it's every engine he has.  He claims that he gets them "surgically clean" but they still spark a lot.

I've never heard of such a thing, and my Gilbert engines run on Gilbert track for hours on end without cleaning.

Any ideas???

If it's a short, how can the engines run for an hour?


________________________________
From: Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] completely confused


 
Sparks are also caused by shorts (sideframes/wheels) if not between
wheels and tracks which, as you note, can cause sparks if dirty.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 7/13/2012 04:18, Bill Porter wrote:
>
> Sparks are caused by dirt.
>
> Dirty wheels or dirty track. Cleanliness is the road to sparklessness.
>
> Bill (mostly clean)
>
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
> wpporter.duckburg.us
>
> On 7/12/2012 9:05 PM, Jimbo wrote:
> > anyway I have a questions on the 21085 it runs fine, it smokes the
> way its suppose to, and the light is fines, but the trucks spark like
> crazy is it because its pikemaster? cant figure this one out any
> ideals out there, the sides for the wheels are plastic
> >
> >
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 69998 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
It sounds like he starts with "surgically clean" wheels on dirty track and it takes an hour before the wheels get dirty enough to start sparking. Maybe he needs to surgically clean his track also.

I keep my track clean and have no sparking until I run "newly purchased" used engines that usually have dirty wheels. I first try "new" engines just to make sure they run before taking the time to clean the wheels.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote:
>
> Perhaps this relates to a question I was asked at our club meeting yesterday.
>
> A guy in the club runs Gilbert engines on Gilbert track and the wheels spark so much on the track that he has to clean the tracks and wheels after only an hour's running.  It's not just one engine; it's every engine he has.  He claims that he gets them "surgically clean" but they still spark a lot.
>
> I've never heard of such a thing, and my Gilbert engines run on Gilbert track for hours on end without cleaning.
>
> Any ideas???
>
> If it's a short, how can the engines run for an hour?
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 6:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] completely confused
>
>
>  
> Sparks are also caused by shorts (sideframes/wheels) if not between
> wheels and tracks which, as you note, can cause sparks if dirty.
> Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
>
> On 7/13/2012 04:18, Bill Porter wrote:
> >
> > Sparks are caused by dirt.
> >
> > Dirty wheels or dirty track. Cleanliness is the road to sparklessness.
> >
> > Bill (mostly clean)
> >
> > Bill Porter
> > South Florida
> > wpporter.duckburg.us
> >
> > On 7/12/2012 9:05 PM, Jimbo wrote:
> > > anyway I have a questions on the 21085 it runs fine, it smokes the
> > way its suppose to, and the light is fines, but the trucks spark like
> > crazy is it because its pikemaster? cant figure this one out any
> > ideals out there, the sides for the wheels are plastic
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 69999 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
There are several variables.

AC motors may draw several amps depending on age, condition and load.
The more current they draw the more they will spark.

When running on steel track they will spark, more so when dirty.
Other alloy track (brass and nickel silver) will not spark nearly as much as
the steel track if at all.

What you are pulling and running on the track will re-contaminate the track
so be sure to clean the rolling stock too.
Some people swear by coating the track with a VERY thin coat of oil light to
help keep the sparking down.

My $.02

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
bull_gator_1
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 2:32 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: completely confused



It sounds like he starts with "surgically clean" wheels on dirty track and
it takes an hour before the wheels get dirty enough to start sparking. Maybe
he needs to surgically clean his track also.

I keep my track clean and have no sparking until I run "newly purchased"
used engines that usually have dirty wheels. I first try "new" engines just
to make sure they run before taking the time to clean the wheels.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
wrote:
>
> Perhaps this relates to a question I was asked at our club meeting
yesterday.
>
> A guy in the club runs Gilbert engines on Gilbert track and the wheels
spark so much on the track that he has to clean the tracks and wheels after
only an hour's running. Â It's not just one engine; it's every engine he
has. Â He claims that he gets them "surgically clean" but they still spark a
lot.
>
> I've never heard of such a thing, and my Gilbert engines run on Gilbert
track for hours on end without cleaning.
>
> Any ideas???
>
> If it's a short, how can the engines run for an hour?
>
>
> ________________________________



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70000 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Carl may be onto something.  Is there anything he can do to reduce the amperage drawn by an engine?

I should have mentioned that he cleans both the track and wheels at the same time.  And, yes, he cleans the wheels on his rolling stock, too.  In an effort to isolate the problem, he ran engines with no rolling stock and still had the same problem.



________________________________
From: "carl@..." <carl@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:05 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: completely confused


 
There are several variables.

AC motors may draw several amps depending on age, condition and load.
The more current they draw the more they will spark.

When running on steel track they will spark, more so when dirty.
Other alloy track (brass and nickel silver) will not spark nearly as much as
the steel track if at all.

What you are pulling and running on the track will re-contaminate the track
so be sure to clean the rolling stock too.
Some people swear by coating the track with a VERY thin coat of oil light to
help keep the sparking down.

My $.02

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
bull_gator_1
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 2:32 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: completely confused

It sounds like he starts with "surgically clean" wheels on dirty track and
it takes an hour before the wheels get dirty enough to start sparking. Maybe
he needs to surgically clean his track also.

I keep my track clean and have no sparking until I run "newly purchased"
used engines that usually have dirty wheels. I first try "new" engines just
to make sure they run before taking the time to clean the wheels.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
wrote:
>
> Perhaps this relates to a question I was asked at our club meeting
yesterday.
>
> A guy in the club runs Gilbert engines on Gilbert track and the wheels
spark so much on the track that he has to clean the tracks and wheels after
only an hour's running. Â It's not just one engine; it's every engine he
has. Â He claims that he gets them "surgically clean" but they still spark a
lot.
>
> I've never heard of such a thing, and my Gilbert engines run on Gilbert
track for hours on end without cleaning.
>
> Any ideas???
>
> If it's a short, how can the engines run for an hour?
>
>
> ________________________________

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70001 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
This topic would be a good candidate for an assigned number. It crops up
regularly and we all seem to be interested. I recommend searching the
message archive for some of the previous notes, replies, threads and
suggestions.

* Rance is right, a short can cause sparks.
* Dirt of one sort or another is nearly always the cause for sparking
in fully-functional equipment.
* Carl is right, a dressing of oil can help, but, its use is somewhat
controversial. Some folks are entirely happy with having such
coatings on the rail.
* There are other dressings such as RailZip or Contact Cleaners that
help keep the surface crud conductive and can reduce the amount of
insulating oxides. I like some of them much better than oil for a
couple of reasons: slippage and attraction of dust and other dirt.
* On CSI, we all learned about transfer from one surface to another
when tracking down a perp. So, keep BG1's comments and Carl's
comments about transfer from other equipment in mind. If everything
is clean - all wheels and track - you should see no sparking.


Also, like a piano that needs to be played to stay (pretty much) in
tune, our trains need to run. I like to keep a John Allen style track
cleaner car on the rails and in nearly every train just to help with
continuous cleaning. Naturally, it will remove any dressing pretty
rapidly. Some of our colleagues love the Aztec commercial cleaner cars.
It may just be that cleaning as a routine part of operations will do the
trick no matter what method you use.

Good Luck!

Bill

PS John Allen was a ground-breaking model railroader. One of the things
he either invented or promoted was a track cleaner car made with a piece
of Masonite floating under a box car. It runs around in the freight
consists and continuously wipes the tops of the rails. Use the back side
with the grid pattern to allow for more space to hold crud. Clean with a
toothbrush from time to time. He had HO models (less massive than ours)
and the old brass rail track. That is two strikes against cleanliness
and in favor of sparking. Using his cleaner cars, he had no problems of
that sort.

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 7/13/2012 3:05 PM, carl@... wrote:
> There are several variables.
>
> AC motors may draw several amps depending on age, condition and load.
> The more current they draw the more they will spark.
>
> When running on steel track they will spark, more so when dirty.
> Other alloy track (brass and nickel silver) will not spark nearly as much as
> the steel track if at all.
>
> What you are pulling and running on the track will re-contaminate the track
> so be sure to clean the rolling stock too.
> Some people swear by coating the track with a VERY thin coat of oil light to
> help keep the sparking down.
>
> My $.02
>
> Carl
>
>
> It sounds like he starts with "surgically clean" wheels on dirty track and
> it takes an hour before the wheels get dirty enough to start sparking. Maybe
> he needs to surgically clean his track also.
>
> I keep my track clean and have no sparking until I run "newly purchased"
> used engines that usually have dirty wheels. I first try "new" engines just
> to make sure they run before taking the time to clean the wheels.
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps this relates to a question I was asked at our club meeting
> yesterday.
> >
> > A guy in the club runs Gilbert engines on Gilbert track and the wheels
> spark so much on the track that he has to clean the tracks and wheels after
> only an hour's running. Â It's not just one engine; it's every engine he
> has. Â He claims that he gets them "surgically clean" but they still spark a
> lot.
> >
> > I've never heard of such a thing, and my Gilbert engines run on Gilbert
> track for hours on end without cleaning.
> >
> > Any ideas???
> >
> > If it's a short, how can the engines run for an hour?
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70002 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: AF #935/979 Caboose Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Hi Dave

Can you also do the 914 log car ??

Thanks Stan
----- Original Message -----
From: David
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:51 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF #935/979 Caboose Decal Set+ (Advertisement)




By request we have added a decal set+ in YELLOW TEXT for the AF #935 &
#979 bay window cabooses. This decal set+ includes the numbers for both
cabooses.

Please view in the American Flyer section of our web site at:

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<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html>

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

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LBR Enterprises,llc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70003 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Using a good AC ammeter, the current should be checked to see if there is an issue. There could be a mechanical or wear issue causing friction.

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Robert Graves
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:55 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: completely confused



Carl may be onto something. Is there anything he can do to reduce the amperage drawn by an engine?

I should have mentioned that he cleans both the track and wheels at the same time. And, yes, he cleans the wheels on his rolling stock, too. In an effort to isolate the problem, he ran engines with no rolling stock and still had the same problem.

________________________________
From: "carl@..." <carl@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:05 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: completely confused



There are several variables.

AC motors may draw several amps depending on age, condition and load.
The more current they draw the more they will spark.

When running on steel track they will spark, more so when dirty.
Other alloy track (brass and nickel silver) will not spark nearly as much as
the steel track if at all.

What you are pulling and running on the track will re-contaminate the track
so be sure to clean the rolling stock too.
Some people swear by coating the track with a VERY thin coat of oil light to
help keep the sparking down.

My $.02

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
bull_gator_1
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 2:32 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: completely confused

It sounds like he starts with "surgically clean" wheels on dirty track and
it takes an hour before the wheels get dirty enough to start sparking. Maybe
he needs to surgically clean his track also.

I keep my track clean and have no sparking until I run "newly purchased"
used engines that usually have dirty wheels. I first try "new" engines just
to make sure they run before taking the time to clean the wheels.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
wrote:
>
> Perhaps this relates to a question I was asked at our club meeting
yesterday.
>
> A guy in the club runs Gilbert engines on Gilbert track and the wheels
spark so much on the track that he has to clean the tracks and wheels after
only an hour's running. Â It's not just one engine; it's every engine he
has. Â He claims that he gets them "surgically clean" but they still spark a
lot.
>
> I've never heard of such a thing, and my Gilbert engines run on Gilbert
track for hours on end without cleaning.
>
> Any ideas???
>
> If it's a short, how can the engines run for an hour?
>
>
> ________________________________

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70004 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 7/13/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Dont forget to take all wheels off the tender, clean them with a Dremel or
similar to remove the oxide, then clean, or lightly sand the brass strips
contacting the axles, as well as the axles themselves where they contact the
strips. Make sure the strips have enough spring in them to firmly rub on the
axles. The high resistance caused by dirty and oxidised contacts on the axles can
cause sparking at the wheels because a higher voltage from the controller is
required to overcome the higher resistance. An area not understood and often
overlooked by many Flyer operators.Alistair

On Sat 14/07/12 6:25 AM , Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... sent:
> Carl may be onto something.  Is there anything he can do to reduce
> the amperage drawn by an engine?
> I should have mentioned that he cleans both the track and wheels at
> the same time.  And, yes, he cleans the wheels on his rolling stock,
> too.  In an effort to isolate the problem, he ran engines with no
> rolling stock and still had the same problem.
> ________________________________
> From: ""
> To:
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:05 PM
> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: completely confused
>  
> There are several variables.
> AC motors may draw several amps depending on age, condition and
> load.
> The more current they draw the more they will spark.
> When running on steel track they will spark, more so when dirty.
> Other alloy track (brass and nickel silver) will not spark nearly as
> much as
> the steel track if at all.
> What you are pulling and running on the track will re-contaminate
> the track
> so be sure to clean the rolling stock too.
> Some people swear by coating the track with a VERY thin coat of oil
> light to
> help keep the sparking down.
> My $.02
> Carl
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]On Behalf Of
> bull_gator_1
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 2:32 PM
> To:
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: completely confused
> It sounds like he starts with "surgically clean" wheels on dirty
> track and
> it takes an hour before the wheels get dirty enough to start
> sparking. Maybe
> he needs to surgically clean his track also.
> I keep my track clean and have no sparking until I run "newly
> purchased"
> used engines that usually have dirty wheels. I first try "new"
> engines just
> to make sure they run before taking the time to clean the wheels.
> --- In , Robert Graves
> wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps this relates to a question I was asked at our club meeting
> yesterday.
> >
> > A guy in the club runs Gilbert engines on Gilbert track and the
> wheels
> spark so much on the track that he has to clean the tracks and
> wheels after
> only an hour's running. Â It's not just one engine; it's every
> engine he
> has. Â He claims that he gets them "surgically clean" but they
> still spark a
> lot.
> >
> > I've never heard of such a thing, and my Gilbert engines run on
> Gilbert
> track for hours on end without cleaning.
> >
> > Any ideas???
> >
> > If it's a short, how can the engines run for an hour?
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70005 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 7/14/2012
Subject: Re: AF #935/979 Caboose Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Stan,
     We will be sending a #914 decal set+ with your order. PRICE: $3.75 ea.
George
 


--- On Fri, 7/13/12, Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...> wrote:


From: Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF #935/979 Caboose Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 13, 2012, 4:05 PM



 



Hi Dave

Can you also do the 914 log car ??

Thanks Stan
----- Original Message -----
From: David
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:51 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF #935/979 Caboose Decal Set+ (Advertisement)

By request we have added a decal set+ in YELLOW TEXT for the AF #935 &
#979 bay window cabooses. This decal set+ includes the numbers for both
cabooses.

Please view in the American Flyer section of our web site at:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html>

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70006 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/14/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
Ah! Thank you. I hadn't thought to ask him if he had cleaned those contact strips and axles. I'll pass that along and see if it solves the problem.

On Jul 13, 2012, at 7:18 PM, alizoo@... wrote:

> Dont forget to take all wheels off the tender, clean them with a Dremel or
> similar to remove the oxide, then clean, or lightly sand the brass strips
> contacting the axles, as well as the axles themselves where they contact the
> strips. Make sure the strips have enough spring in them to firmly rub on the
> axles. The high resistance caused by dirty and oxidised contacts on the axles can
> cause sparking at the wheels because a higher voltage from the controller is
> required to overcome the higher resistance. An area not understood and often
> overlooked by many Flyer operators.Alistair
>
> On Sat 14/07/12 6:25 AM , Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... sent:
> > Carl may be onto something. Is there anything he can do to reduce
> > the amperage drawn by an engine?
> > I should have mentioned that he cleans both the track and wheels at
> > the same time. And, yes, he cleans the wheels on his rolling stock,
> > too. In an effort to isolate the problem, he ran engines with no
> > rolling stock and still had the same problem.
> > ________________________________
> > From: ""
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:05 PM
> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: completely confused
> >
> > There are several variables.
> > AC motors may draw several amps depending on age, condition and
> > load.
> > The more current they draw the more they will spark.
> > When running on steel track they will spark, more so when dirty.
> > Other alloy track (brass and nickel silver) will not spark nearly as
> > much as
> > the steel track if at all.
> > What you are pulling and running on the track will re-contaminate
> > the track
> > so be sure to clean the rolling stock too.
> > Some people swear by coating the track with a VERY thin coat of oil
> > light to
> > help keep the sparking down.
> > My $.02
> > Carl
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [mailto:]On Behalf Of
> > bull_gator_1
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 2:32 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: completely confused
> > It sounds like he starts with "surgically clean" wheels on dirty
> > track and
> > it takes an hour before the wheels get dirty enough to start
> > sparking. Maybe
> > he needs to surgically clean his track also.
> > I keep my track clean and have no sparking until I run "newly
> > purchased"
> > used engines that usually have dirty wheels. I first try "new"
> > engines just
> > to make sure they run before taking the time to clean the wheels.
> > --- In , Robert Graves
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Perhaps this relates to a question I was asked at our club meeting
> > yesterday.
> > >
> > > A guy in the club runs Gilbert engines on Gilbert track and the
> > wheels
> > spark so much on the track that he has to clean the tracks and
> > wheels after
> > only an hour's running. Â It's not just one engine; it's every
> > engine he
> > has. Â He claims that he gets them "surgically clean" but they
> > still spark a
> > lot.
> > >
> > > I've never heard of such a thing, and my Gilbert engines run on
> > Gilbert
> > track for hours on end without cleaning.
> > >
> > > Any ideas???
> > >
> > > If it's a short, how can the engines run for an hour?
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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> > ------
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70007 From: David Date: 7/14/2012
Subject: #914 & #714 AF Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
We have added, by request, decal set+ for AF operating log cars #914 AFL
& #714 AF to our web site at:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html>

Both sets are printed in BLACK ON CLEAR FILM

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70008 From: Jim Date: 7/14/2012
Subject: Log Diameter
Guys-

I'm in the process of refurbishing an AF log loader. No logs came with this unit, so I ordered some from an outfit that usually is a reliable AF parts source. The part listing specifically said they were for the loader. They sent me some logs that are a half-inch (1/2) in diameter, the same size as those found as a load of six on the log car. Is this the correct diameter log for the loader? If not, what is the correct size?

Thanks in advance,
Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70009 From: rapidrail1 Date: 7/14/2012
Subject: Scenery Unlimited Circus Train
I have almost completed customizing the Scenery Unlimited Circus train. Today, I took it to run on Nick Colleren's home layout. So you get to see the customized train and Nick's great layout. In a couple of the scenes you get a brief glimpse of some Circus trucks going up the ramp to the station. These are Winross trucks. The two at the top of the ramp are stock trucks and the other 3 are custom decorated. Sorry the last part of the video is so out of focus. There will be a photo spread with close-ups of the cars in an upcoming S Gaugian. The video can be found at: http://youtu.be/M3lUDXa6vHA

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 70010 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/14/2012
Subject: Model Power Signal
http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/7343020869570273


Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70011 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Re: Log Diameter
Hi Jim,
� American Flyer made two Log Loaders. The early one was the 751 which used PA9911 Logs and I believe these are about 7/8" diameter.  The later Log Loader was the 787. This had a man in a cab above the hook. This Log Loader used PA13A777 Logs which are 1/2" Diameter.
� Tom Seccia




________________________________
From: Jim <jimensign50@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Log Diameter


 
Guys-

I'm in the process of refurbishing an AF log loader. No logs came with this unit, so I ordered some from an outfit that usually is a reliable AF parts source. The part listing specifically said they were for the loader. They sent me some logs that are a half-inch (1/2) in diameter, the same size as those found as a load of six on the log car. Is this the correct diameter log for the loader? If not, what is the correct size?

Thanks in advance,
Jim E.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70012 From: Dale Smith Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Interesting Flyer display item
I just ran across the item on Ebay. Has anyone ever seen any thing
like it elsewhere? It certainly isn't mentioned in any literature I
have seen.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330763449793&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

Dale Smith
Americanflyerdisplays.org
Group: S-Trains Message: 70013 From: Lynn Ray Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Re: completely confused
I have read the posts on this topic with interest.  One thing has not been mentioned - lubrication.  Lubricate the axle bearings on sintered trucks with Labelle 108 oil.  Use this oil to lubricate the area where the wiper rides on the axle also.  The Labelle 108 oil is a plastic compatible, non drying, electrically conductive synthetic lubricant.  It will reduce the tendency for oxidation to develop which will reduce the tendency for sparking to occur.  It does not eliminate the need for periodic cleaning but will stretch the cleaning intervals.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70014 From: R G Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Re: Interesting Flyer display item
I have a mountain and pass set that I got in 1959 with my Franklin (truscott) train set.  The picture on the four pieces that make of the mountain and pass are the same as shown in the item you linked to.  My mountain and pass set is also not a cataloged item.



________________________________
From: Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:09 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Interesting Flyer display item


 
I just ran across the item on Ebay. Has anyone ever seen any thing
like it elsewhere? It certainly isn't mentioned in any literature I
have seen.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330763449793&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

Dale Smith
Americanflyerdisplays.org



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70015 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Re: Model Power Signal
Good cross-scale catch. I do like the look.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 7/14/2012 11:33 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
> http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/7343020869570273
>
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70016 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Re: Scenery Unlimited Circus Train
Great! Stupendous! Inspiring! A Three-loop Wonder of the World!

Thanks,
Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 7/14/2012 6:20 PM, rapidrail1 wrote:
> I have almost completed customizing the Scenery Unlimited Circus train. Today, I took it to run on Nick Colleren's home layout. So you get to see the customized train and Nick's great layout. In a couple of the scenes you get a brief glimpse of some Circus trucks going up the ramp to the station. These are Winross trucks. The two at the top of the ramp are stock trucks and the other 3 are custom decorated. Sorry the last part of the video is so out of focus. There will be a photo spread with close-ups of the cars in an upcoming S Gaugian. The video can be found at: http://youtu.be/M3lUDXa6vHA
>
> Wayne
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70017 From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Re: Interesting Flyer display item
Dale,
I don't believe this is a dealer display item. I had one of these when I was a child back in the 50's. It may have been marketed to AF people, but as I recall the tunnel was large enough for the Marx set my cousin gave me.
It was just cardboard, so it got in pretty bad shape and thrown away.
George

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70018 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Re: Log Diameter
THanks Tom, that would explain it. I have the earlier 751. Thanks again for the info.
Jim E.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sheila Seccia" <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 10:25:01 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Log Diameter






Hi Jim,
� American Flyer made two Log Loaders. The early one was the 751 which used PA9911 Logs and I believe these are about 7/8" diameter. The later Log Loader was the 787. This had a man in a cab above the hook. This Log Loader used PA13A777 Logs which are 1/2" Diameter.
� Tom Seccia

________________________________
From: Jim < jimensign50@... >
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Log Diameter



Guys-

I'm in the process of refurbishing an AF log loader. No logs came with this unit, so I ordered some from an outfit that usually is a reliable AF parts source. The part listing specifically said they were for the loader. They sent me some logs that are a half-inch (1/2) in diameter, the same size as those found as a load of six on the log car. Is this the correct diameter log for the loader? If not, what is the correct size?

Thanks in advance,
Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70019 From: EDWARD Date: 7/15/2012
Subject: Sunday Evening Chat
SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/15/2012, 8:00 pm




Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group

Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Date: Sunday July 15, 2012
Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats: This event repeats every week.
Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM
Group: S-Trains Message: 70020 From: Brady Date: 7/16/2012
Subject: Relay for Semaphores
I was looking around and saw this "Specially designed for American Flyer semaphores"..

http://www.z-stuff.net/dz1075m.html



Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 70021 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/16/2012
Subject: Re: Model Power Signal
Hi Brady,

I like the idea of a track side accessory that will trip other things. I
don't really understand what this thing does. When I read the specs, it
says it activates contacts on make and break when a train passes by.
That sounds good. It also says it closes the circuit for 1 second. I
don't understand the utility of such a device. I would think it would be
better to keep the make circuit active as long as a train was detected
(and maybe a little longer). It seems to me that this gadget would be
good for triggering a smart signal that sets it own delays. Does this
thing just emulate a push on a momentary contact switch?

Can you enlighten me?

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 7/14/2012 11:33 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
> http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/7343020869570273
>
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70022 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: Relay for Semaphores
Yes, they work well. And in conjunction with a 1075A, drives the crossing signal flasher well. You can see them in action on our club's website videos:

sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/videos

And on top of that, the company stands behind its products and gives great customer service.


On Jul 16, 2012, at 10:05 AM, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote:

> I was looking around and saw this "Specially designed for American Flyer semaphores"..
>
> http://www.z-stuff.net/dz1075m.html
>
> Brady
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70023 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: Model Power Signal
We carry all the Z-Stuff "S" products (see our "ELECTRONICS FOR S"
page).

The 1075M is an optical sensor which activates an accessory via a
momentary contact.....just like pushing a button and then releasing it.

More reliable than most original AF track trips. This would be
appropriate for semaphore operation.

The Z-Stuff 1075 is the same item, but not momentary.....it maintains
the contact until after the sensor "senses" a passing train. This would
be appropriate for something like a Crossing Gate, as an example.





<<<I like the idea of a track side accessory that will trip other
things. I
don't really understand what this thing does. When I read the specs, it
says it activates contacts on make and break when a train passes by.
That sounds good. It also says it closes the circuit for 1 second. I
don't understand the utility of such a device. I would think it would be

better to keep the make circuit active as long as a train was detected
(and maybe a little longer). It seems to me that this gadget would be
good for triggering a smart signal that sets it own delays. Does this
thing just emulate a push on a momentary contact switch?>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 70024 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Signals
I have developed a sure fire circuit to operate track side
accessories, using the AF #696 track trip. When it is tripped, it charges
a capacitor, which operated a relay, which operates the accessory. A
larger capacitor, the longer the accessory will operate. Several track
trips can be hooked together to close a crossing gate, on adjacent
tracks.
Most parts came from my junk box, but can be purchased from
Radio Shack, very reasonable.

Jerry
TCA HR 77-11644
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70025 From: David Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: #1852 Side Door Caboose Project
We have started a new KIT BASHING PROJECT using the new doors from FICUS
PRODUCTS of Hamilton Ohio. We have chopped and combined an AF #930 &
#638 caboose shells to produce an extended side door caboose for the
LEHIGH VALLEY R.R..

The first photo is of just the new shell may be viewed here at our photo
album here by using the link below:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1028915550/pic/list
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1028915550/pic/list\
>

A GREAT BIG THANK YOU to Alan Smith at FICUS PRODUCTS for coming up with
this new product.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70026 From: Brady Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: Model Power Signal
Bill,

The Model Power Signal came with a three position slide switch; green light, red light, no light.

The 153IR is basically an IR activated relay.

With the 153IR and the Model Power Signal the Normally Closed (NC) circuit is the green light, and the Normally Open (NO) circuit is the red light. When there is no traffic (nothing tripping the 153IR) the green light is on and the red light is off.

When the train passes by (activating the 153IR) the NC and NO are swapped so the red light turns on and the green light is turned off.

The 153IR has a delay setting so you can adjust how long the red light stays on (and green off) after the train passes, the range is something like 2 seconds to 30 seconds.

The 153IR comes with instructions and is easy to set up. It can also be used for soleniod type crossing gates (like a push button). It is oversized for S, but hiding it or burying the base may help.

Z-stuff sells similar IR devices, and they are built into many of their signals.

I think the ultimate would be to have the signals tied together with approach (yellow) signals, but my layout is just too small for all that.


Brady


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Brady,
>
> I like the idea of a track side accessory that will trip other things. I
> don't really understand what this thing does. When I read the specs, it
> says it activates contacts on make and break when a train passes by.
> That sounds good. It also says it closes the circuit for 1 second. I
> don't understand the utility of such a device. I would think it would be
> better to keep the make circuit active as long as a train was detected
> (and maybe a little longer). It seems to me that this gadget would be
> good for triggering a smart signal that sets it own delays. Does this
> thing just emulate a push on a momentary contact switch?
>
> Can you enlighten me?
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
> wpporter.duckburg.us
>
> On 7/14/2012 11:33 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
> > http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/7343020869570273
> >
> >
> > Brady
> >
> > Sent from my Kindle Fire
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70027 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Sprung Trucks
Hi Folks,

Some time back, I acquired two pairs of Flyer salvage freight trucks
with springs. Now, I have a project which requires another couple of
pairs. The rolling stock I own is either old Flyer or newer SHS or AM
stuff. None of my cars have that sort of truck. Can anyone offer some
information about what manufacturers and models had those? I am in the
mood to bash some stuff and two pair of matching trucks would be a big help.

Bill

--
Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us
Group: S-Trains Message: 70028 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: Model Power Signal
Thanks Brady,

Doug Peck provided additional info about the momentary contact (in your
original post) and the continuous contact as you describe. Now, it all
makes sense to me.

I have used the MTH IRTAD at track side. I like them, but, they are
sensitive to heat (duh) rather than to light. When I used one outdoors
for the Relay For Life, it didn't work too well until the evening cooled
off. This gadget would have been better.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 7/17/2012 11:22 AM, Brady wrote:
> Bill,
>
> The Model Power Signal came with a three position slide switch; green light, red light, no light.
>
> The 153IR is basically an IR activated relay.
>
> With the 153IR and the Model Power Signal the Normally Closed (NC) circuit is the green light, and the Normally Open (NO) circuit is the red light. When there is no traffic (nothing tripping the 153IR) the green light is on and the red light is off.
>
> When the train passes by (activating the 153IR) the NC and NO are swapped so the red light turns on and the green light is turned off.
>
> The 153IR has a delay setting so you can adjust how long the red light stays on (and green off) after the train passes, the range is something like 2 seconds to 30 seconds.
>
> The 153IR comes with instructions and is easy to set up. It can also be used for soleniod type crossing gates (like a push button). It is oversized for S, but hiding it or burying the base may help.
>
> Z-stuff sells similar IR devices, and they are built into many of their signals.
>
> I think the ultimate would be to have the signals tied together with approach (yellow) signals, but my layout is just too small for all that.
>
>
> Brady
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70029 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: Sprung Trucks
OK, perhaps a little clarification. A friend of mine removed (salvaged)
the trucks from American Flyer freight cars. I posted a couple of photos
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/677220287/pic/list)
in the ZOT folder on the S-Trains site. It is the last album.

I am not sure these came from a Flyer car. He thinks they do. But, it
might have been K-Line or something else.

Any thoughts?

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 7/17/2012 1:46 PM, Bill Porter wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Some time back, I acquired two pairs of Flyer salvage freight trucks
> with springs. Now, I have a project which requires another couple of
> pairs. The rolling stock I own is either old Flyer or newer SHS or AM
> stuff. None of my cars have that sort of truck. Can anyone offer some
> information about what manufacturers and models had those? I am in the
> mood to bash some stuff and two pair of matching trucks would be a big help.
>
> Bill
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70030 From: Lon Walker Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: Sprung Trucks
   Hi bill,  I believe they are K-Line. I have a pair like them from a K-Line box car.   Lon Walker



________________________________
From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sprung Trucks


 
OK, perhaps a little clarification. A friend of mine removed (salvaged)
the trucks from American Flyer freight cars. I posted a couple of photos
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/677220287/pic/list)
in the ZOT folder on the S-Trains site. It is the last album.

I am not sure these came from a Flyer car. He thinks they do. But, it
might have been K-Line or something else.

Any thoughts?

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 7/17/2012 1:46 PM, Bill Porter wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Some time back, I acquired two pairs of Flyer salvage freight trucks
> with springs. Now, I have a project which requires another couple of
> pairs. The rolling stock I own is either old Flyer or newer SHS or AM
> stuff. None of my cars have that sort of truck. Can anyone offer some
> information about what manufacturers and models had those? I am in the
> mood to bash some stuff and two pair of matching trucks would be a big help.
>
> Bill
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70031 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: Sprung Trucks
OK. Thanks Lon. Do you have a photo?

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 7/17/2012 5:44 PM, Lon Walker wrote:
> Hi bill, I believe they are K-Line. I have a pair like them from a K-Line box car. Lon Walker
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70032 From: Roy Inman Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: Model Power Signal
We have used the Z-Stuff actuator and it works very reliably.

Roy Inman



From: Doug peck <doug@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:21:56 -0400
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Model Power Signal






We carry all the Z-Stuff "S" products (see our "ELECTRONICS FOR S"
page).

The 1075M is an optical sensor which activates an accessory via a
momentary contact.....just like pushing a button and then releasing it.

More reliable than most original AF track trips. This would be
appropriate for semaphore operation.

The Z-Stuff 1075 is the same item, but not momentary.....it maintains
the contact until after the sensor "senses" a passing train. This would
be appropriate for something like a Crossing Gate, as an example.

<<<I like the idea of a track side accessory that will trip other
things. I
don't really understand what this thing does. When I read the specs, it
says it activates contacts on make and break when a train passes by.
That sounds good. It also says it closes the circuit for 1 second. I
don't understand the utility of such a device. I would think it would be

better to keep the make circuit active as long as a train was detected
(and maybe a little longer). It seems to me that this gadget would be
good for triggering a smart signal that sets it own delays. Does this
thing just emulate a push on a momentary contact switch?>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@... <mailto:doug%40portlines.com>
www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...>
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70033 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Stumpy does a restoration?
Since things are slow during summer, I thought that I would throw in a story most of you might find unexpected, since I'm known for Kit Bashing.
I've had a pretty complete original 1949 DC motored 332 Northern for over five years, slowly gathering the missing bits to make it live again. I had it for sale at the Spring S Spree, but since there was no interest, I decided that the time had come to start on it.
The engine would struggle to run at track speed, and I suspected that a new DC can motor would be needed. During disassembly (a real challenge with this big locomotive with complex valve gear) and clean up, I discovered that there was NO lubrication in the gear box at all! Previous owners had oiled the heck out of the axles, side rods and everything else, but the all important gears were dry, just a black, smeary dust remained! This is kind of a mystery.
Since I expected the motor to be shot anyway, I decided to take it apart as it was DC, and see what was going on. It was obvious that some one has tinkered with it as the brush springs were both mangled, more mystery on an unlubed loco. Pulling the armature, I found that it was filthy! Worse yet, a groove was worn into the commutator face! Just for the heck of it, I cleaned everything up, faced the brushes, worked over the springs, lubricated the armature shafts with "L.A.B. Oil" a slot car Teflon lubricant that doesn't cause electrical problems, and reassembled the original motor.
I cleaned the gearbox and lubricated all three gears with Telfon grease, another slot car product. The reassembled chassis was connected to the tender and tested on my display layout. It runs very well and smokes great! I plan to start complete reassembly tomorrow, using the original motor. How long it will last is anyone's guess.
The tender is in very nice shape with all railings and lettering intact, and only one broken off step. (I have a replacement step.)The locomotive not so nice, missing various small parts, and it gets a little body work and repainted. There will be a single deviation from original since I have to repaint, and that is a silver smoke box. I have even taken the rebuilt junk box Hudson tender from the semi-streamiliner to use behind the repained Northern so I can leave the Northern tender untouched.
This is as close to a restoration as I have come and it feels a bit strange not to be doing more to this one! The locomotive is also way too big for my Flyer radius curves, but I'll now have had at least one of each Gilbert steamer except the 0-6-0 and the 290 series Pacific.
I'll keep you all posted on the progress and post pictures when I have some.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70034 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 7/17/2012
Subject: Re: #1852 Side Door Caboose Project
Hmmm .... I always enjoy seeing whatever someone else comes up with creatively when it comes to kit-bashing AF stuff... especially cabooses, since the are so plentiful. And I don't mean to rain on anyone else's parade.... but... it looks a little odd to me to have such a large door right under the cupola. I really know next to nothing about the real railroad, but it seems like a door at that location would mean a rather awkward interior. Could the door possibly be located at the other end...?


Just wondering....


Mark Anderman





----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <reujan2000@...>
To: S-Trains@ yahoogroups .com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:10:10 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] #1852 Side Door Caboose Project







We have started a new KIT BASHING PROJECT using the new doors from FICUS
PRODUCTS of Hamilton Ohio. We have chopped and combined an AF #930 &
#638 caboose shells to produce an extended side door caboose for the
LEHIGH VALLEY R.R..

The first photo is of just the new shell may be viewed here at our photo
album here by using the link below:

http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1028915550/pic/list
< http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1028915550/pic/list\
>

A GREAT BIG THANK YOU to Alan Smith at FICUS PRODUCTS for coming up with
this new product.

Dave

LBR Enterprises, llc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70035 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: Re: #1852 Side Door Caboose Project
Mark,
     In researching these side door cabooses we found that the doors were of many kinds and sizes as well as configurations, this is just one that we found very interesting. We thought the same thing, but that was the R.R.'s problem. The modeler has the option as to where to install the doors. This one is so much fun that we plan on doing a lot more with different door locations.
Dave
LBR Enterprises,llc
 


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From: Manderman@... <Manderman@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] #1852 Side Door Caboose Project
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:56 PM



 



Hmmm .... I always enjoy seeing whatever someone else comes up with creatively when it comes to kit-bashing AF stuff... especially cabooses, since the are so plentiful. And I don't mean to rain on anyone else's parade.... but... it looks a little odd to me to have such a large door right under the cupola. I really know next to nothing about the real railroad, but it seems like a door at that location would mean a rather awkward interior. Could the door possibly be located at the other end...?

Just wondering....

Mark Anderman

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <reujan2000@...>
To: S-Trains@ yahoogroups .com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:10:10 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] #1852 Side Door Caboose Project

We have started a new KIT BASHING PROJECT using the new doors from FICUS
PRODUCTS of Hamilton Ohio. We have chopped and combined an AF #930 &
#638 caboose shells to produce an extended side door caboose for the
LEHIGH VALLEY R.R..

The first photo is of just the new shell may be viewed here at our photo
album here by using the link below:

http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1028915550/pic/list
< http ://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1028915550/pic/list\
>

A GREAT BIG THANK YOU to Alan Smith at FICUS PRODUCTS for coming up with
this new product.

Dave

LBR Enterprises, llc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70036 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: RE
Having the cargo door under the cupola is indeed a problem for either getting a man up into the cuploa or loading and unloading cargo. Also, there would noprmally be low clearance for the door as the seats in the cupola come down into the overhead area. That is why most cabooses had storage cabinets under the cupola seats. The ladders were built into the cabinets.
However, the Sandy River & Rangely Lakes Railroad had one of their favored design of combine/cabooses built just this way! It had no seats for the cupola to avoid clearance issues, the brakeman just stepped up on a crate and looked out the windows while standing.
Dave is right that when it comes to Kit Bashing, you only need hold to the prototype as much as YOU wish. However, in most cases there was a prototype for just about everything!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70037 From: David Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: #1852 Side Door Caboose Project, Up Date
We have added 4 new photos of our #1852 BASHED CABOOSE here in our
album. To view please use the link below.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1028915550/pic/71170\
7496/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1028915550/pic/7117\
07496/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc>

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70038 From: Tom Hawley Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: Re: #1852 Side Door Caboose Project, Up Date
----- Original Message -----
From: David
We have added 4 new photos of our #1852 BASHED CABOOSE here in our
album.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
Interesting. The Gilbert Hall of Science couldn't have done better.

If you've ever been in a real caboose with cupola, you know what's directly
below the cupola so the trainman can climb up there, sit down, and keep an
eye on the train.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
http://michmod.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 70039 From: David Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: Caboose Side Door Kit Now Avaliable (Advertisement)
We have added the caboose side door kit to our KIT BASHING SECTION at
our web site at:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html>

The price is $12.50 per kit with instructions and FREE SHIPPING via USPS
in CONUS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70040 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: The Gilbert Gallery has moved!
The Gilbert Gallery has moved to a new server.  If your bookmark uses the pseudo-URL "TheGilbertGallery.org", you will not be affected at all (though I am told it may take a day or two for all the ISPs and servers in the world to pick up the change).  You know you've got the new website if you see the following at the top of the home page:

This website recently migrated to a new server.
If you find any broken links or other errors, please email me at theupstairstrain@....
Thank you.

Please do let  me know if you run into any broken links or other errors.  Once everything is shaken out, I can start on the much-overdue updates.  Thank you all for your patience during this transition.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70041 From: Bob Date: 7/19/2012
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update
Good morning. I'm pleased (and relieved) to announce that I have managed to acquire updated software and production has resumed on the summer issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine, as well as a few new e-articles. More new products are under development and will be announced soon.

I know that convention season is upon us. Unfortunately, finances will not allow me to attend either the NMRA or NASG convention this year (is anyone going to both?). If you're going to either, or both, please drop your renewal in the mail before you finalize your plans and head off. If you're not a subscriber, please consider becoming one. Visit www.1-64ModelingGuide.com for details.

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
www.1-64ModelingGuide.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 70042 From: Richard Reichard Date: 7/19/2012
Subject: Rail Bending - O27, O31, Super-O, Standard, AF-S, G(code332) & T-Rai
To All:

Check CTT Magazine September issue, Page 22.

Dick Reichard

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70043 From: David Date: 7/19/2012
Subject: #1852 Side Door Caboose Project - Finished Photos
We have added the last 4 photos of our #1852 LEHIGH VALLEY R.R. side
door caboose project. This caboose weighs in at a little over 8oz. and
is equiped with interior lighting and LBR BRAND axle bushings which
makes it roll like it was on air.

To view these last photos please use the link below:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1028915550/pic/list
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1028915550/pic/list\
>

Thank you all for your time that you took following thois project.

LBR Enterprises,llc



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70044 From: davidavedesian Date: 7/19/2012
Subject: Weighting of Wooden Box/Refer Car Kits and What glue to use for the
Hello:

I have a number of wood side Refer Car Kits (45 kits) that I am gluing together. I thought it would be fun to go "retro" and make up the woodside kits. I will be runing on AF track with Hirail wheel sets. I have some old ACE metal floors, ACE resin floors and plain wood floors.

Q1: How much weight should I add to the inside of the refer/box car to ensure that the cars will track correctily?

Q2: what would the wieght amount be for each of the floor material types: metal, resin & wood?

Q3: I have had success using Mike's Glue and Lighting Glue to glue the wood to the metal floor. I have not had success doing the same with the wood to the resin floor material. Does anyone have a suggestion that has work?

No question that by the time that I added up all the components for each kit, it would be less money to have bought RTR stock.

But then again, where would all the fun be in that.

Thank you in advance for all your thoughts,

David Avedesian
Member
Baltimore American Flyer Club
Silver Spring, MD
Group: S-Trains Message: 70045 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 7/19/2012
Subject: Re: Weighting of Wooden Box/Refer Car Kits and What glue to use for
As far as glue goes I like to use walthers goo it is great for gluing dissimilar materials together like wood and resin, metal and styrene. It does get messy if you are not careful and needs to set up a long while for maximum strength. By messy it gets stringy and sticks to every thing so taking your time and clean up as you go along is the best method to using walthers goo.
 
I have heard that gorrila glue is good but have not tried it yet.

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From: davidavedesian <david.avedesian@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Weighting of Wooden Box/Refer Car Kits and What glue to use for the resin floors
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 8:21 PM



 



Hello:

I have a number of wood side Refer Car Kits (45 kits) that I am gluing together. I thought it would be fun to go "retro" and make up the woodside kits. I will be runing on AF track with Hirail wheel sets. I have some old ACE metal floors, ACE resin floors and plain wood floors.

Q1: How much weight should I add to the inside of the refer/box car to ensure that the cars will track correctily?

Q2: what would the wieght amount be for each of the floor material types: metal, resin & wood?

Q3: I have had success using Mike's Glue and Lighting Glue to glue the wood to the metal floor. I have not had success doing the same with the wood to the resin floor material. Does anyone have a suggestion that has work?

No question that by the time that I added up all the components for each kit, it would be less money to have bought RTR stock.

But then again, where would all the fun be in that.

Thank you in advance for all your thoughts,

David Avedesian
Member
Baltimore American Flyer Club
Silver Spring, MD








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Group: S-Trains Message: 70046 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/19/2012
Subject: Check out Bitter Creek Western Live Steam Narrow Gauge Meet 2007 - Y
What fun. Everybody enjoy.......
Steve
SnS Trains

_Click here: Bitter Creek Western Live Steam Narrow Gauge Meet 2007 -
YouTube_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=6VAuPPufNro)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70047 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/19/2012
Subject: Re: Weighting of Wooden Box/Refer Car Kits and What glue to use for
Hi David,

The NMRA recommends 2 ounces plus 1/2 ounce per inch of car length for
S-Scale. So, an 8-inch car would be 2 + 8 * .5 or 6 total ounces. Once
you have all the pieces of the car (need not wait until it is all built)
including the trucks, weigh it on a postal scale. Add enough weight as
low as possible to get to the 6 ounces. The weight depends only on the
length of the car. How much to add depends on what it weighs as built.

I extracted that info from my data pack and made a page for it at:
http://wpporter.duckburg.us/car_weights.htm

You can probably find it on the NMRA in the Recommended Practices pages.

Your project sounds interesting. I hope you will share the fun with us
by posting some photos.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 7/19/2012 8:21 PM, davidavedesian wrote:
> Hello:
>
> I have a number of wood side Refer Car Kits (45 kits) that I am gluing together. I thought it would be fun to go "retro" and make up the woodside kits. I will be runing on AF track with Hirail wheel sets. I have some old ACE metal floors, ACE resin floors and plain wood floors.
>
> Q1: How much weight should I add to the inside of the refer/box car to ensure that the cars will track correctily?
>
> Q2: what would the wieght amount be for each of the floor material types: metal, resin & wood?
>
> Q3: I have had success using Mike's Glue and Lighting Glue to glue the wood to the metal floor. I have not had success doing the same with the wood to the resin floor material. Does anyone have a suggestion that has work?
>
> No question that by the time that I added up all the components for each kit, it would be less money to have bought RTR stock.
>
> But then again, where would all the fun be in that.
>
> Thank you in advance for all your thoughts,
>
> David Avedesian
> Member
> Baltimore American Flyer Club
> Silver Spring, MD
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70048 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/21/2012
Subject: For Sale: Anybody need Gilbert Flyer switches?
I have a large number of Gilbert Flyer switches from four collections.  Remote Control and Manual, 3-digit and 5-digit models, Fahnstock and binding posts - almost all the variations Gilbert made. Condition varying from Needs Restoration to near Excellent.  Some have boxes in varying condition, with and without inserts.

Send me the specs for what you want and a price offer.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70049 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 7/21/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale: Anybody need Gilbert Flyer switches?
Gargraves track and switches i have 11 switcjes and a 3 foot hight tub
of 3 foot and shorter [ot of track is like new some stanless steel
plastic ties rest is wood ties ===the switches are the old type with
wire used to switch === email me i can send pictures tghanks pete
From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
To: Sgauge Available <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>; s-trains list
<s-trains@...>
Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:05 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: Anybody need Gilbert Flyer switches?

 
I have a large number of Gilbert Flyer switches from four collections. 
Remote Control and Manual, 3-digit and 5-digit models, Fahnstock and
binding posts - almost all the variations Gilbert made. Condition
varying from Needs Restoration to near Excellent.  Some have boxes in
varying condition, with and without inserts.

Send me the specs for what you want and a price offer.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70050 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 7/21/2012
Subject: A wonderful visit to Bob Hogan's Layout and Madison, GA - A Conve
I hope that all of you who are planning on attending the NASG Convention
are aware of the open houses that Bob Hogan, Pete Silcox, and Tom Robinson
are hosting on Tuesday, August 7. I had the privilege of visiting Bob
Hogan's layout last Saturday on my way to Myrtle Beach.

Let me say that this is a scale layout that you do not want to miss. And
take your wife with you because she will love the beautiful town of Madison,
Georgia, where Bob Hogan lives. It is one of the prettiest towns I have
ever seen and the downtown economy appears to be really strong, especially
for a small town.

I have never seen a train layout as complete and finished as Bob's. The
scenery looks fabulous and no part of the layout looks unfinished. I was
amazed at the detail that Bob has incorporated into his layout. Its not just
the layout that looks so great, it is the entire train room. It looks so
clean, neat, and tastefully decorated. The Mianne benchwork on the
carpeted floor gives it a professional look. Backdrops around the layout look
just like the Western Pacific scenery in the Portola, California area I
visited last year. No area of the layout is without scenery. The buildings and
scenery reveal Bob's acute attention to detail. Bob's custom made SP
passenger trains that we have seen in Dispatch and S Gaugian are splendidly
displayed along the walls. Bob's framed train prints and his many plaques and
awards from model contests look like they have been arranged by a
professional decorator. I looked for some of the usual evidence of a modelers
unfinished projects and could not find it. There was not a single indication of
anything being on the layout or in the room that did not belong in the
place you saw it. The neatness was amazing. But in addition to neatness, one
gets the look and the feel of seeing the Western Pacific or SP in operation
in an accurate portrayal of the prototype.

I thank Bob for showing me his layout and I encourage everyone who can
possibly attend the layout on August 7 to be there. You will love it.

Madison, Georgia is about an hour's drive directly east of Atlanta just off
of Interstate 20 (Atlanta-August route). From the Northeast, it looks
like to me that you can reach Madison by taking Interstate 85 (from I-95) and
get off the interstate near Athens, GA, and go south to Madison. I am sure
Bob Hogan can give betters details than I.

I hope as many as possible can take advantage of Bob's and Pete's, and
Tom's gracious hospitality to see their layouts on August 7.

One more thing about Bob Hogan and the convention. I got to see three of
the finished Southern Railway passenger cars that Bob will use in his
clinic. The represent Budd, ACF, and Pullman-Standard and they look beautiful,
and finished!. And Bob will have other cars in various states of
completion in his clinic at the NASG.

- Earl Henry, Nashville



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70051 From: Rick Evans Date: 7/21/2012
Subject: SHS
I missed the memo, or I've been deleting to many emails, or I'm just old and forget a lot….
but I just found out today the S-Helper Service sold.
My best to Don & Robin.


Rick
Group: S-Trains Message: 70052 From: acgilbertguy Date: 7/22/2012
Subject: Reversing Switch for 742 Hand Car
A friend of mine is in need of the reversing switch (AF Part # XA13A359)for his AF 742 Reversing Hand Car. Anyone know of a parts source that has this item? Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70053 From: Don Thompson Date: 7/22/2012
Subject: Re: SHS
Dear Rick,
Thank you for your good wishes. It was a very hard decision, but at 64 I was not really ready to start all over again. We could afford the move, but not to start all over again with a new builder. We hope that MTH will be just as detail oriented with our SHS line as they are with their HO trains which are quite good...
Don


On Jul 21, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Rick Evans wrote:

> I missed the memo, or I've been deleting to many emails, or I'm just old and forget a lot….
> but I just found out today the S-Helper Service sold.
> My best to Don & Robin.
>
>
> Rick
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70054 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/23/2012
Subject: Northern project completed...for now
As you may recall from last week, I had started a "restoration" of my 332 Northern with it's original Gilbert DC motor. It is now assembled and running, and is a fine looking locomotive.
The original tender was in surprisingly good shape, so I stored it and placed a Hudson tender behind the Northern, which allowed me to add my Stone Lines road number and also gives the locomotive a more "Eastern" look.
Other deviations from original include a silver smokebox, white trim, and an engineer in the cab.
Photos of the finished locomotive can be found in the "Basher Stumpy" album in the PHOTOS section of this site. It's on the third page.
There was one disappointment in this project; the motor. Being an original Gilbert DC motor, I tried to save it, but internal damage was just too bad I guess. The engine will pull only itself and one car around the layout. I have considered the offer of a renewed field magnet and armature, but will do what I'm most familiar with and go with one of Steve's S-n-S Trains DC can motors which draw less current, run cooler, and matches the motors in the rest of my fleet.
This was an interesting project which has waited over five years to get done and was nearly sold at the Spree this year! It is also a much larger locomotive than I normally would use due to curve radius. However, there is a chance of spare room "real estate" opening up which will let me again have a permanent layout allowing wider radius curves!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70055 From: workinalure Date: 7/23/2012
Subject: Re: SHS
My best wishes to you Don. Thanks for detail you brought to S Gauge.
Mark B. Preman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Rick,
> Thank you for your good wishes. It was a very hard decision, but at 64 I was not really ready to start all over again. We could afford the move, but not to start all over again with a new builder. We hope that MTH will be just as detail oriented with our SHS line as they are with their HO trains which are quite good...
> Don
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Rick Evans wrote:
>
> > I missed the memo, or I've been deleting to many emails, or I'm just old and forget a lot….
> > but I just found out today the S-Helper Service sold.
> > My best to Don & Robin.
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Enjoy thousands of great photos
> > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70056 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/24/2012
Subject: Vintage Railroading
I added a few more videos to the playlist..

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3CAB2FE2A123AA0B

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70057 From: johntech Date: 7/25/2012
Subject: Rotary Coal Dumper
Hi guys and gals

Here are a couple pictures of the progress of my Rotary Coal Dumper.

I've FINALLY gotten the drawings finished and have the end pieces milled!

Here is the link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/947298688/pic/list

John Frankforther

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70058 From: Roy Date: 7/27/2012
Subject: Big time Ops with AMerican Flyer
There's an AF operator in Rutland, VT who invites model railroaders of all stripes to operating sessions on his layout which looks like it is strictly built for that purpose. Even the most serious of the scalers love to operate on it. Here's one of their blogs on Model Railroad Hobbyist: http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/8685

Roy Hoffman
Group: S-Trains Message: 70059 From: John Date: 7/27/2012
Subject: Reverse loop
This is a call for help, on how to hook-up the base post and 7-15 volt variable current wires to an oval with a diagonal across it. It is the configuration shown in the AF instruction sheet for the 695 Reverse Loop Relay. At York, I bought two 695 relays, and have hooked them up and inserted insulating pins as directed. I expected that I could switch from counter-clockwise oval running to clockwise oval running automatically by throwing the switches to curve, with the train running without interuption across the diagonal. It does not work: the engine enters the diagonal with the "originating switch" thrown to curve, but when the "receiving switch" is thrown to curve the engine stops and a short circuit exists. The switches are set to "2 Train Operation" as directed, and I have concluded that the short must be attributable to the polarity shift of the 695 conflicting with the regular hook up wire's polarity. The Gilbert instructions for the 695 don't show the wiring for the 690 track terminal from the transformer to the oval, so I have assumed that it is base post to outside rail and variable to inside, as with all their depictions. Perhaps one or both of the 695 Reverse Loop Relays is faulty, but it seems more likely that I have a logic error somewhere. I need advice from the Group on how to make this work. Thanks. John Davis Noblesville IN
Group: S-Trains Message: 70060 From: Jens Kinn Date: 7/28/2012
Subject: email account was hacked - i am sorry
hi,
my yahoo email account was hacked. i am sorry about that, it happened via facebook. i already talked to yahoo about the issue.
the problem is fixed and can't bring problems to ur accounts

sorry
jens


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70061 From: Bill Porter Date: 7/28/2012
Subject: Anormal1
Hi Folks,

I wonder if I could get a note from Mike regarding my smoke stuff. Off
line at wpporter@... would be good. I was out in the shed with
some visitors today and we were smoking up a storm through a Flyer
Pacific. Now, I need a little help.

Thanks,
Bill

--
Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us
Group: S-Trains Message: 70062 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 7/28/2012
Subject: Re: Reverse loop
Hi John,
If you have the K-Line book, see pages 329 and 330.  The instructions on page 329 calls for two 707 Track Terminals and one 690.  The 690 goes in front of the straight part of the switch where it enters the reverse loop.  If you have the 695 hooked up incorrectly, it is most likely you have a positive going into a negative creating a short. The same as you describe.On pages 331 and 332 it shows wiring a reverse loop with a 698 button.  This should help you solve the problem.
� Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: John <wyoaf@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 11:02 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse loop


 
This is a call for help, on how to hook-up the base post and 7-15 volt variable current wires to an oval with a diagonal across it. It is the configuration shown in the AF instruction sheet for the 695 Reverse Loop Relay. At York, I bought two 695 relays, and have hooked them up and inserted insulating pins as directed. I expected that I could switch from counter-clockwise oval running to clockwise oval running automatically by throwing the switches to curve, with the train running without interuption across the diagonal. It does not work: the engine enters the diagonal with the "originating switch" thrown to curve, but when the "receiving switch" is thrown to curve the engine stops and a short circuit exists. The switches are set to "2 Train Operation" as directed, and I have concluded that the short must be attributable to the polarity shift of the 695 conflicting with the regular hook up wire's polarity. The Gilbert instructions for the 695
don't show the wiring for the 690 track terminal from the transformer to the oval, so I have assumed that it is base post to outside rail and variable to inside, as with all their depictions. Perhaps one or both of the 695 Reverse Loop Relays is faulty, but it seems more likely that I have a logic error somewhere. I need advice from the Group on how to make this work. Thanks. John Davis Noblesville IN




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70063 From: David Date: 7/28/2012
Subject: #1870 Drovers Caboose
We have added some new photos of our latest caboose kit bashing project
using the new FICUS BRAND side doors. This is the finished #1870 "KATY"
drovers caboose.

To view the photos here in our photo album at this site please use the
link below:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1028915550/pic/95278\
3367/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1028915550/pic/9527\
83367/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc>

LBR



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70065 From: Brady Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: MTH's Impact on S
I'm familiar with MTH's PS-1 and PS-2, given clinics on TMCC and spent a week evaluating Lionel Legacy for a local shop


Opinion: The combination of S-Helpers locos and MTH's PS-3 DCC/DCS/Sound electronics package (not to mention the track and freight car offerings) will cause Flionel blow-out sales, and Lionel will make a partial S gauge reteat.


What say you?


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 70066 From: John Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Reverse Loop Update
Tom Seccia and Mark McFrederick responded to me with helpful coaching.


Happy to see you fixed the problem. Always good to have a Flyer operator with a good operation.

From: John <wyoaf@...>
To: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 12:26 PM
Subject: Reverse Loop update

Tom: Thank you for your response. Below is a detailed account of the problem and cure.

Mark: Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I dissembled the 695's and found them both to be corroded. It was a much easier repair than I feared it would be. Mercifully, the solenoids still worked and after some nail-file detox of the contacts, and RailZip conductivity enhancer drops, the units were restored to life. Both 695's are on the layout without their covers, so one can tell at a glance that the contact has moved. But, at best the operation is now as you described it: The train enters the crossover loop without hesitation, but must be stopped, the trailing switch thrown back to straight and the destination switch thrown to curve and the train completes its diagonal journey across the oval. Moreover, it must be a very short train so that it entirely fits within the diagonal before the trailing switch is thrown. My layout is on a ping pong table. So I have successfully installed a reverse loop, but other than to demonstrate the application, I can't say that it is worth the effort or cost (the pair of 695's cost me $130 at York). My inspiration for this was the Youtube 3 part series on a 5 x 9 AF layout with a reverse loop that runs 3 trains at once. His layout uses a manual DPDT switch, but he works it well and the effect is better than the 695's. If you have not watched these, I think that you will enjoy it. Thanks for taking the time to give me your thoughts and advice. john davis Noblesville IN
Group: S-Trains Message: 70067 From: Brady Burdge Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: New Clever Models Kit
The coal dealer..

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70068 From: Alan Smith Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop Update
OK guys,

I¹ve been around for 70 Plus years and a Flyer owner since 1952. I¹ve been
asking around for a substance to enhance the conductivity on the track pins
on Old Std flyer track. So far electrical supply vendors has said it doesn¹t
exist. An ole dog can always learn new tricks.

The question before this group is: RailZIP is it really effective in
serving this purpose?

Cheers,

Doc


On 7/31/12 11:27 AM, "John" <wyoaf@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> Tom Seccia and Mark McFrederick responded to me with helpful coaching.
>
> Happy to see you fixed the problem. Always good to have a Flyer operator with
> a good operation.
>
> From: John <wyoaf@... <mailto:wyoaf%40yahoo.com> >
> To: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...
> <mailto:trainsandhobbies%40yahoo.com> >
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 12:26 PM
> Subject: Reverse Loop update
>
> Tom: Thank you for your response. Below is a detailed account of the problem
> and cure.
>
> Mark: Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I dissembled the 695's and found
> them both to be corroded. It was a much easier repair than I feared it would
> be. Mercifully, the solenoids still worked and after some nail-file detox of
> the contacts, and RailZip conductivity enhancer drops, the units were restored
> to life. Both 695's are on the layout without their covers, so one can tell
> at a glance that the contact has moved. But, at best the operation is now as
> you described it: The train enters the crossover loop without hesitation, but
> must be stopped, the trailing switch thrown back to straight and the
> destination switch thrown to curve and the train completes its diagonal
> journey across the oval. Moreover, it must be a very short train so that it
> entirely fits within the diagonal before the trailing switch is thrown. My
> layout is on a ping pong table. So I have successfully installed a reverse
> loop, but other than to demonstrate the application, I can't say that it is
> worth the effort or cost (the pair of 695's cost me $130 at York). My
> inspiration for this was the Youtube 3 part series on a 5 x 9 AF layout with
> a reverse loop that runs 3 trains at once. His layout uses a manual DPDT
> switch, but he works it well and the effect is better than the 695's. If you
> have not watched these, I think that you will enjoy it. Thanks for taking the
> time to give me your thoughts and advice. john davis Noblesville IN
>
>
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70069 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: MTH's Impact on S
Who knows, maybe MTH and Lionel might do a licensed reproduction of Flyer classics in addition to new releases??? I have the lionel S mike and it is a very good well detailed model. I have one MTH Loco in O so if MTH can keep the quality that S-Helper has established then S scale/gauge people will be happy. I had been asking MTH to give the S scale market a try and their reply was always not at this time, well I guess the time is now.
 
Price and the willingness of consumers to spend may be the one big hurdle to success for MTH in this venture.

--- On Tue, 7/31/12, Brady <brady@...> wrote:


From: Brady <brady@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH's Impact on S
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 9:51 AM



 



I'm familiar with MTH's PS-1 and PS-2, given clinics on TMCC and spent a week evaluating Lionel Legacy for a local shop


Opinion: The combination of S-Helpers locos and MTH's PS-3 DCC/DCS/Sound electronics package (not to mention the track and freight car offerings) will cause Flionel blow-out sales, and Lionel will make a partial S gauge reteat.

What say you?

Brady








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Group: S-Trains Message: 70070 From: D. Winslow Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop Update
From: "Alan Smith" <alansmith@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop Update


> OK guys,
>
> I�ve been around for 70 Plus years and a Flyer
> owner since 1952. I�ve been
> asking around for a substance to enhance the
> conductivity on the track pins
> on Old Std flyer track. So far electrical supply
> vendors has said it doesn�t
> exist. An ole dog can always learn new tricks.
>
> The question before this group is: RailZIP is
> it really effective in
> serving this purpose?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Doc

It calls itself a deoxidizer, and that is just
what is needed to clean the
rails. So, it can only make them more conductive,
rails, pins, wheels, by
making them fully deoxidized i.e. clean. I'll bet
it is pretty expensive.

I'd use a common contact cleaner, or to spend
more, Deoxit brand
contact cleaner. Then again, plain old vinegar
might do the trick.

Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 70071 From: Lon Walker Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: Was Reverse Loop Update now RailZip
   Doc,

     I don't know if this transfers but putting a drop of RailZip on every rail joint of Marx O27 track on a fastened down oval of track on a 4x6 train board improved performance noticeably. I applied the drops and let it stand 36 hours.   That has been my experience so far.    Lon Walker



________________________________
From: Alan Smith <alansmith@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop Update


 
OK guys,

I¹ve been around for 70 Plus years and a Flyer owner since 1952. I¹ve been
asking around for a substance to enhance the conductivity on the track pins
on Old Std flyer track. So far electrical supply vendors has said it doesn¹t
exist. An ole dog can always learn new tricks.

The question before this group is: RailZIP is it really effective in
serving this purpose?

Cheers,

Doc

On 7/31/12 11:27 AM, "John" <wyoaf@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> Tom Seccia and Mark McFrederick responded to me with helpful coaching.
>
> Happy to see you fixed the problem. Always good to have a Flyer operator with
> a good operation.
>
> From: John <wyoaf@... <mailto:wyoaf%40yahoo.com> >
> To: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...
> <mailto:trainsandhobbies%40yahoo.com> >
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 12:26 PM
> Subject: Reverse Loop update
>
> Tom: Thank you for your response. Below is a detailed account of the problem
> and cure.
>
> Mark: Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I dissembled the 695's and found
> them both to be corroded. It was a much easier repair than I feared it would
> be. Mercifully, the solenoids still worked and after some nail-file detox of
> the contacts, and RailZip conductivity enhancer drops, the units were restored
> to life. Both 695's are on the layout without their covers, so one can tell
> at a glance that the contact has moved. But, at best the operation is now as
> you described it: The train enters the crossover loop without hesitation, but
> must be stopped, the trailing switch thrown back to straight and the
> destination switch thrown to curve and the train completes its diagonal
> journey across the oval. Moreover, it must be a very short train so that it
> entirely fits within the diagonal before the trailing switch is thrown. My
> layout is on a ping pong table. So I have successfully installed a reverse
> loop, but other than to demonstrate the application, I can't say that it is
> worth the effort or cost (the pair of 695's cost me $130 at York). My
> inspiration for this was the Youtube 3 part series on a 5 x 9 AF layout with
> a reverse loop that runs 3 trains at once. His layout uses a manual DPDT
> switch, but he works it well and the effect is better than the 695's. If you
> have not watched these, I think that you will enjoy it. Thanks for taking the
> time to give me your thoughts and advice. john davis Noblesville IN
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70072 From: Jeff Faust Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop Update
I have a can of Nu-Trol Control Cleaner, manufactured by MG Chemicals, which I occasionally use on track with dramatic results. It's made for electrical contacts, but also works great on both nickel-silver and AF tinplate rails. Spray a little on a rag, and wipe it on a section of track. Use it sparingly, as it does leave an oily residue. I bought my can at a local electronics-supply store.

If you're having trouble with the track pins themselves, try following Gilbert's instructions regarding bending them outward slightly before reassembling the track. Giving the rail ends a slight crimp with pliers might help, too. If it's a particularly long stretch of track, clip on another track terminal and run another set of feeders to where things slow down.

--Jeff

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "D. Winslow" <davidwin@...> wrote:
>
> From: "Alan Smith" <alansmith@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop Update
>
>
> > OK guys,
> >
> > I¹ve been around for 70 Plus years and a Flyer
> > owner since 1952. I¹ve been
> > asking around for a substance to enhance the
> > conductivity on the track pins
> > on Old Std flyer track. So far electrical supply
> > vendors has said it doesn¹t
> > exist. An ole dog can always learn new tricks.
> >
> > The question before this group is: RailZIP is
> > it really effective in
> > serving this purpose?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Doc
>
> It calls itself a deoxidizer, and that is just
> what is needed to clean the
> rails. So, it can only make them more conductive,
> rails, pins, wheels, by
> making them fully deoxidized i.e. clean. I'll bet
> it is pretty expensive.
>
> I'd use a common contact cleaner, or to spend
> more, Deoxit brand
> contact cleaner. Then again, plain old vinegar
> might do the trick.
>
> Dave
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70073 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: MTH's impact on S
I suspect that the willingness and ABILITY of people to spend will greatly effect ALL hobby companies, not just MTH or Lionel. Be ready to do more with less because the trend seems to be in that direction. I believe that MTH is a good thing for S. However, only in a few years when the economy has really turned around will we truly be able to judge the success of MTH or Lionel to hold the S gauge customer's interest.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70074 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop Update
For the want of apennyworth of pitch the ship was lost. People swear
by the stuff so why mess around with experiments which are more
likely to result in corossion than anything else for the sake of a
few bucks? Have alook on the other train boards from Ho to Standard
gauge amd you will find plenty of recommendations for
RailZip.Alistair 

----- Original Message -----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
To:
Cc:
Sent:Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:32:47 -0400
Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop Update

From: "Alan Smith"
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop Update

> OK guys,
>
> I¹ve been around for 70 Plus years and a Flyer
> owner since 1952. I¹ve been
> asking around for a substance to enhance the
> conductivity on the track pins
> on Old Std flyer track. So far electrical supply
> vendors has said it doesn¹t
> exist. An ole dog can always learn new tricks.
>
> The question before this group is: RailZIP is
> it really effective in
> serving this purpose?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Doc

It calls itself a deoxidizer, and that is just
what is needed to clean the
rails. So, it can only make them more conductive,
rails, pins, wheels, by
making them fully deoxidized i.e. clean. I'll bet
it is pretty expensive.

I'd use a common contact cleaner, or to spend
more, Deoxit brand
contact cleaner Then again, plain old vinegar
might do the trick.

Dave

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70075 From: Alan Lambert Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: MTH's impact on S
From: Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer club
�Hurst, Texas
Stumpy,
I agree, we just need to give MTH a chance to see how they do. I am waiting for that chance even though I have 3 train shows to frown on  meaning I wont spend any money , but waite for MTH to show what they will be doing . I have to make room for what I already have.
Like you said we need to give them a chance.
    Alan, In smoltering Texas  Got up to 106 today


________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: MTH's impact on S



 

I suspect that the willingness and ABILITY of people to spend will greatly effect ALL hobby companies, not just MTH or Lionel. Be ready to do more with less because the trend seems to be in that direction. I believe that MTH is a good thing for S. However, only in a few years when the economy has really turned around will we truly be able to judge the success of MTH or Lionel to hold the S gauge customer's interest.
Stumpy in Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70076 From: Alan Lambert Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop Update
From: Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth, Texas

Alistair,
I use it and it works for me. My train club still uses rubbing alchohal to clean the track but I like Rail-zip  on my home track. My next train club metting I will try the Railzip and give a report back on it against the R.A.
I have S-Helper Track at home .
� Alan
�Lone Star Flyer club
�Hurst, Texas


________________________________
From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop Update



 

For the want of apennyworth of pitch the ship was lost. People swear
by the stuff so why mess around with experiments which are more
likely to result in corossion than anything else for the sake of a
few bucks? Have alook on the other train boards from Ho to Standard
gauge amd you will find plenty of recommendations for
RailZip.Alistair 

----- Original Message -----
From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
To:
Cc:
Sent:Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:32:47 -0400
Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop Update

From: "Alan Smith"
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop Update

> OK guys,
>
> I¹ve been around for 70 Plus years and a Flyer
> owner since 1952. I¹ve been
> asking around for a substance to enhance the
> conductivity on the track pins
> on Old Std flyer track. So far electrical supply
> vendors has said it doesn¹t
> exist. An ole dog can always learn new tricks.
>
> The question before this group is: RailZIP is
> it really effective in
> serving this purpose?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Doc

It calls itself a deoxidizer, and that is just
what is needed to clean the
rails. So, it can only make them more conductive,
rails, pins, wheels, by
making them fully deoxidized i.e. clean. I'll bet
it is pretty expensive.

I'd use a common contact cleaner, or to spend
more, Deoxit brand
contact cleaner Then again, plain old vinegar
might do the trick.

Dave

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70077 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: REVERSE LOOP
I should have mentioned that the paste is good for the pins & any contact
points. Not for the rails. Mike

Anormal1 Smoke Fluid
Michael Strickland
211 Summit Ave
Medford, Ore
97501


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70078 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 7/31/2012
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop Update
I sell 1oz "jars" of Deoxit Conductiv paste, as a little goes a long way.
$12 includes shipping. Mike in Ore
PS: Order it with a 4oz bottle of Smoke fluid & the cost is $22
Contact me off list


In a message dated 7/31/2012 7:01:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
alizoo@... writes:




For the want of apennyworth of pitch the ship was lost. People swear
by the stuff so why mess around with experiments which are more
likely to result in corossion than anything else for the sake of a
few bucks? Have alook on the other train boards from Ho to Standard
gauge amd you will find plenty of recommendations for
RailZip.Alistair

----- Original Message -----
From: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
To:
Cc:
Sent:Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:32:47 -0400
Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop Update

From: "Alan Smith"
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reverse Loop Update

> OK guys,
>
> I¹ve been around for 70 Plus years and a Flyer
> owner since 1952. I¹ve been
> asking around for a substance to enhance the
> conductivity on the track pins
> on Old Std flyer track. So far electrical supply
> vendors has said it doesn¹t
> exist. An ole dog can always learn new tricks.
>
> The question before this group is: RailZIP is
> it really effective in
> serving this purpose?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Doc

It calls itself a deoxidizer, and that is just
what is needed to clean the
rails. So, it can only make them more conductive,
rails, pins, wheels, by
making them fully deoxidized i.e. clean. I'll bet
it is pretty expensive.

I'd use a common contact cleaner, or to spend
more, Deoxit brand
contact cleaner Then again, plain old vinegar
might do the trick.

Dave

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70079 From: George Cohn Date: 8/1/2012
Subject: Re: Reverse Loop Update
On 7/31/2012 6:40 PM, Jeff Faust wrote:
> I have a can of Nu-Trol Control Cleaner, manufactured by MG Chemicals,
> which I occasionally use on track with dramatic results. It's made for
> electrical contacts, but also works great on both nickel-silver and AF
> tinplate rails. Spray a little on a rag, and wipe it on a section of
> track. Use it sparingly, as it does leave an oily residue. I bought my
> can at a local electronics-supply store.

And they also make a version called "Electrosolve Contact Cleaner" which
does the same thing and leaves zero residue and is safe on plastics.

Our local electronics store stocks most of their products and they are
usually very good although a bit pricey. The 5 oz spray can here on my
desk has $7.38 marked on it.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70080 From: alsflyer Date: 8/1/2012
Subject: MALWARE ALERT
My McAffey system says there is malware in the last post called:


1 (no subject) by "Kevin McLaughlin" moula1313


please do not open this - it may damage your systems.

Sent in hast - hope this is correct.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The post "(no subject)" "alsflyer" is referring to was posted it error.
It was supposed to be deleted.

Moderator
Group: S-Trains Message: 70081 From: Alan Smith Date: 8/1/2012
Subject: Re: REVERSE LOOP
Thanks to everyone for there input on the question as to a good
conductivity product for use on AF tinplate track joints.
I always cant the pins slightly to get a better pin to rail contact.
Plus I wire brush the pins prior to assembly. However, if a little corrosion
is present inside the rails a little help is needed to insure a good
contact.
The additional power feeds every 3-4 feet is the icing on the cake for
sure.

I¹ll try another local electrical supply house to see what they have to
offer. That saves the shipping expense.

Cheers,

Alan Smith Or doc_strains @ yahoo.com or You tube videos by
AF1952
Hamilton, Oh.

PS
Hey, Stumpy
We met at the MVSG spree where I brought some of my custom S gauge cars for
show and tell.


On 7/31/12 10:32 PM, "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> I should have mentioned that the paste is good for the pins & any contact
> points. Not for the rails. Mike
>
> Anormal1 Smoke Fluid
> Michael Strickland
> 211 Summit Ave
> Medford, Ore
> 97501
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70082 From: Alan Bennett Date: 8/2/2012
Subject: Carl Tuveson CTT Video
Hello Friends,

I have been busy with a number of non-toy train issues lately, so I only just now had a chance to browse the Classic Toy Trains Magazine website for the first time in months. I was delighted to see the video of Carl's "smokin'" Lackawanna Trainmaster working its string of freight cars around his impressive S gauge layout.

http://ctt.trains.com/Videos/Reader%20Videos/2012/04/Carl%20Tuveson%20American%20Flyer.aspx?confirm=1&#confirmation

If you haven't seen this video yet, be sure to check it out.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

PS: Sorry, Moderator, for the previous incomplete post. I am still getting used to working with this goofy iPad and it's touch(y) screen.

Sent from my iPad





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70083 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/2/2012
Subject: Chattanooga Sales
Just a heads-up for those planning to attend Chattanooga. We will have our usual sales tables at convention. However, not our typical inventory. First, we will NOT have our Am Flyer parts inventory there. And second, the majority of product we will have there for sale will consist of an "estate sale"...a wide variety of highrail, scale, Sn2, and Sn3 equipment including a number of pieces of scale brass equipment, both painted and unpainted. Also, a good assortment of SHS rolling stock, and structure kits from many different manufacturers. Virtually everything is new in the box, as this person never had a layout, so nothing ever was run! Some neat stuff that you don't often see available, and far more scale items than you normally see on our tables! We have a lot more than we are able to bring and display, but we'll do what we can; much of it isn't even unpacked and inventoried yet. Hope to see many of you at the "Choo-Choo"!
Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70084 From: JeryJones3@aol.com Date: 8/2/2012
Subject: Re: Chattanooga Sales
Doug, did you get an order from me about a week ago? Sent it as an attached
list about a week ago with a pre-order for AF.

Will be interested to see what you what you just acquired.

Have a safe and wonderful trip to Chattanooga.

Best always,

Roy


In a message dated 8/2/2012 9:54:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
doug@... writes:




Just a heads-up for those planning to attend Chattanooga. We will have our
usual sales tables at convention. However, not our typical inventory.
First, we will NOT have our Am Flyer parts inventory there. And second, the
majority of product we will have there for sale will consist of an "estate
sale"...a wide variety of highrail, scale, Sn2, and Sn3 equipment including a
number of pieces of scale brass equipment, both painted and unpainted. Also,
a good assortment of SHS rolling stock, and structure kits from many
different manufacturers. Virtually everything is new in the box, as this person
never had a layout, so nothing ever was run! Some neat stuff that you don't
often see available, and far more scale items than you normally see on our
tables! We have a lot more than we are able to bring and display, but
we'll do what we can; much of it isn't even unpacked and inventoried yet. Hope
to see many of you at the "Choo-Choo"!
Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 70085 From: Bob Moyer Date: 8/2/2012
Subject: Anybody Got A ------------
To All:

A couple of months back I bought two of the four piece cast Atlantics. I'm
just getting around to cleaning them up and found one of them has the wrong
tender. It has the tender for the reverse in boiler ones and the engine has
smoke and choo choo. So I'm going to retrofit a reverse unit I have in the
tender. Problem is I don't have a U shaped weight for the tender. Anybody
got one in their junk box? Maybe a possible trade for something in my
junkbox or maybe $. Please contact me off list at romoyer1@...

Regards

Bob Moyer


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70086 From: aztecfan Date: 8/2/2012
Subject: Sounds compatibility ?
So I started a layout. I run DC and I have a couple of old sound systems were the sound is sent to just a speaker though the track.

The question is I understand Mike's system will run AC or DC.

Will it run Lionel AC sound system as well.

I have 3 old brass engines in bad shape.

Looking for someone who could add missing or new details and paint.

It would be nice to add sound.

Now this is now getting expensive right?

It would seem to me that Mikes system would be the one to get.

Is there a O gauge board where there might be an expert on this system.

It would seem there HO sound would be DC.

There O system would be AC, but I read it could be both.

I would install the HO system if it were cheaper and could be run by their O system.

This sound issue is getting so complicated just like all our track options. I don't know how we can explain all this to new people and not turn them off.

Jim Sleeth
Group: S-Trains Message: 70087 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/3/2012
Subject: Fwd: [ChattanoogaRails] 43rd. ATLANTA, GEORGIA TRAIN SHOW, August 11
Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bill Delmar <bdelmar.list@...>
> Date: August 3, 2012 5:10:36 AM PDT
> To: SERails <serails@yahoogroups.com>, Georgia Shortlines
> <georgiashortlines@yahoogroups.com>, Pidcock
> <Pidcock_Roads@...>, Chattanooga Rails
> <ChattanoogaRails@yahoogroups.com>, Carolina Rails
> <carolinarails@yahoogroups.com>, West Carolina Rails
> <WestCarolinaRails@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [ChattanoogaRails] 43rd. ATLANTA, GEORGIA TRAIN SHOW,
> August 11, 2012
> Reply-To: ChattanoogaRails@yahoogroups.com
>
> Please post on all Railfan Venues. Thank You.
>
> SATURDAY, AUGUST 11, 2012
> Show Hours 9:00 AM until 4:00 PM
>
> 43rd. ATLANTA, GEORGIA MODEL TRAIN and RAILROADIANA SHOW
> North Atlanta Trade Center
> 1700 Jeurgens Court
> Norcross, GA 30093
>
> Over 300 Tables of Model Trains and Railroadiana For Sale.
> Operating Layouts and much more.
>
> Admission $7.00 (Children under 12 Free). FREE PARKING.
>
> For additional information, Contact:
> Charlie Miller Alan Altman
> 703-536-2954 813-949-7197
> rrshows@... gse99@...
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70088 From: afburl Date: 8/3/2012
Subject: Re: SCULLIN DISC DRIVER INSTALLATION (Advertisement)
Would Dave Benson please contact me at (815) 734-4543 as to the status of the two Hudson locomotives with prepayment that I sent to you six months ago. Did anyone else order these scullin wheels or the boxpok drivers? If so, did you ever receive them or get a response from him? Thank you.

Keith Erhart


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:
>
> INSTALLATION SPECIAL JANUARY 2012
>
> We will install a full set of SCULLIN DISC HUBS on your American Flyer #322, 324, 325 or 326 (1946 - 1965) engine including new rear traction rims w/traction bands, new front rims and new white insulators on all six (6) wheels plus proper quartering to 87 degrees for $125.00 which includes return shipping.
>
> SEND CHASSIS ONLY!
>
> Contact for info.: dave@...
>
> View at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html
>
> Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.
> Dave
> LBR Enterprises, llc
> 502-292-1872
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70089 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/3/2012
Subject: Back to Bashing on My Flyer Trains
This month's "Stumpy's Station" on Chuck Harrington's "My Flyer Trains" website (myflyertrains.org) is a preview of coming attractions! It shows the resulting locomotive of a multiple part series showing the step by step Kit Bashing of a #303 Atlantic which begins next month.
The photo can be studied now to see the subtle and not so subtle changes made in the construction of this engine.
Be sure to take a look!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70090 From: Martha7961 Date: 8/3/2012
Subject: MTH Gabe
I have a MTH produced "Gabe" the lamp lighter where Gabe has difficulty making it up the ladder. The relay that moves the ratchet to advance Game's climb pulls in but does not far enough to allow the ratchet link to catch. Any suggestions on how to improve the operation?

Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 70091 From: Frank Date: 8/4/2012
Subject: How is this for an RS 3 ?
Frank
Group: S-Trains Message: 70092 From: Gale Hall Date: 8/4/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
Frank,

It must be pretty fast cause I think it missed the photo.

gale
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank
To: S Trains
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:12 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?



Frank





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70093 From: EDWARD Date: 8/4/2012
Subject: Flyer Fest West
http://www.nasg.org/Events/FFW2012regform.pdf

Sacramento Valley American Flyer Club
FLYER FEST WEST 2012 Registration
SEPTEMBER 15 - 16, 2012
Please Read Both Sides of This Form and Print Legibly
First Name Last Name
Mailing Address (No PO Boxes)
City / State / Zip
Phone E-mail Address
Spouse or Significant Other¡¯s name (if attending)
¡ö Registration Includes Spouse or Significant Other
¡ö Early Registration ¨C Received On or Before August 27, 2012....................................... $10.00 $
¡ö Late Registration ¨C Received After August 27, 2012 ..................................................... $15.00 $
¡ö BBQ Beef Tri-tip & Chicken Dinner @ $25.00 per person ......................qty @ $25.00 $
Dinners Must Be Reserved By August 27, 2012.
¡ö Commemorative Camino, Placerville, and Lake Tahoe (CP<) Boxcar¡­¡­¡­¡­...¡­..$65.00 $
To order this boxcar you must register for Flyer Fest West 2012.
Please Note: This is a limited-production custom run; all sales are final and are on a first-come, first-served basis. Orders are limited to one (1) car per registration. We expect to sell out so please order early. Final graphics may vary from advertised artwork. The pre-ordered boxcars are scheduled for delivery at Flyer Fest West 2012. Shipping is available only by prior arrangement.
If any boxcars are available for sale at the meet, the purchase price will be $70.00.
¡ö Trading Tables (8 feet x 30 inches) $20.00 each ................................... qty @ $20.00 $
Sellers must complete the California Seller¡¯s Permit section on the back of this page ¨C no exceptions.
Total Amount Enclosed $
¡ö Sunday Open House 10:30 am ¨C 4:30pm Number of Adults Attending
An open house is being hosted by Don and Sue Rosa at their home in El Dorado County. Hours are 10:30am until 4:30pm. They are located 60 minutes from downtown Sacramento.
The layout is in progress. American Flyer trains, Gilbert appliances, Gilbert toys and games, Erector sets, etc. are displayed. Call Don at (530)644-4330 or email FFW2012@... for more information. The address and directions will be provided at the meet only to those who RSVP on the registration form (fill in blank above).
Spend the day and ride the El Dorado Western Railway, visit world class wineries, and California Gold Country.
Mail this form with a check payable to SVAFC.
Mail to: Carl Rudolph, SVAFC, 19400 Superior Drive, Twain Harte, CA 95383
For additional information: Email FFW2012@... or call (209) 586-9905
No mail-in registrations accepted after September 6, 2012. You must register at the Fest after September 6, 2012.
FOR OFFICE USE ONLY
REG # DATE RCV¡¯D CHECK # CHECK AMOUNT
Please Read Both Sides of This Form and Print Legibly

Please Read Both Sides of This Form and Print Legibly
FOR THOSE REQUESTING TRADING TABLES - Please complete this section.
1. REGULAR SELLERS
If you are a regular seller you are required to have a California Seller¡¯s Permit.
Please enter the permit number below and SUBMIT A PHOTOCOPY OF THE PERMIT WITH THIS FORM.
Seller¡¯s Permit #
To apply for a Seller¡¯s Permit, contact your local California Board of Equalization office.
2. OCCASIONAL SELLERS
Occasional sellers are individuals who are not required to hold a California Seller¡¯s permit because they will not be making a series of qualified sales.
For example, a person who is selling used trains accumulated for their own use and who sells only those items will usually qualify as an occasional seller, providing they make sales no more than twice in a 12-month period.
If you are an ¡°occasional seller¡± you must enter your driver¡¯s license number.
Driver¡¯s License # State
I
Group: S-Trains Message: 70094 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 8/4/2012
Subject: Magnetic uncouplers...
I'd like to install some electromagnet uncouplers on my layout, but need a bit of help. If anyone out there has a home made magnet or electromagnet uncoupler, please get ahold of me. I think my idea will work with link couplers too, maybe even AF/AF-compatable knuckles. I don't have any Kaydee couplers here to experiment with, or their uncouplers to test their strength. Figuring out how strong yours are will be simple, I promise. 5 to 10 minutes tops. I've goofed around a bit with the link couplers, and my idea should work on them. I promise to share everything, after I get the info I need on the Kaydee magnet strength, or the home made magnets that work on the Kaydee couplers.

After this project, my next is a true 1/64 scratchbuilt 2 man handcar that'll work with both AC and DC powerpacks. I promise to share this idea too as soon as I order the right electromagnets...
Group: S-Trains Message: 70095 From: frank emiro Date: 8/4/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
It appears the site did not post it or EBAY did not do so.


Frank R. EMIRO


________________________________
From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?


Hi Gale, It might not post on the site. It was a GP shorty engine. It might have been O or G scale. Unless some one made it is S

Frank R. EMIRO


________________________________
From: Gale Hall <frisco91@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?


 

Frank,

It must be pretty fast cause I think it missed the photo.

gale
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank
To: S Trains
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:12 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?

Frank

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70096 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/4/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
frank:
what was the ebay item number?
mel perry

On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:28 PM, frank emiro wrote:

> It appears the site did not post it or EBAY did not do so.
>
> Frank R. EMIRO
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...>
> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
>
>
> Hi Gale, It might not post on the site. It was a GP shorty engine.
> It might have been O or G scale. Unless some one made it is S
>
> Frank R. EMIRO
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gale Hall <frisco91@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 3:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
>
>
>
>
> Frank,
>
> It must be pretty fast cause I think it missed the photo.
>
> gale
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Frank
> To: S Trains
> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:12 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
>
> Frank
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70097 From: frank emiro Date: 8/4/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
Hi Gale, It might not post on the site. It was a GP shorty engine. It might have been O or G scale. Unless some one made it is S


Frank R. EMIRO


________________________________
From: Gale Hall <frisco91@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?



 

Frank,

It must be pretty fast cause I think it missed the photo.

gale
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank
To: S Trains
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:12 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?

Frank

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70098 From: Frank Date: 8/4/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
I know it is not an RS 3 or event S. I just find it a joke that people post an item and have no clue of what they are selling. Here is the link.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/virginian-railroad-rs-3-mint-mini-engine-/271030225497?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D1097801249702126234%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1017%26rk%3D1%26
Let me know if it opens

Frank


On Aug 4, 2012, at 8:20 PM, "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> wrote:

> frank:
> what was the ebay item number?
> mel perry
>
> On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:28 PM, frank emiro wrote:
>
> > It appears the site did not post it or EBAY did not do so.
> >
> > Frank R. EMIRO
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...>
> > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 6:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
> >
> >
> > Hi Gale, It might not post on the site. It was a GP shorty engine.
> > It might have been O or G scale. Unless some one made it is S
> >
> > Frank R. EMIRO
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Gale Hall <frisco91@...>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 3:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Frank,
> >
> > It must be pretty fast cause I think it missed the photo.
> >
> > gale
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Frank
> > To: S Trains
> > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:12 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
> >
> > Frank
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70099 From: May Cunningham Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: S gauge curve turnout
Would anyone know if anyone makes a curve turnout using 148 rail.  We saw a track plan that we love, but it is O gauge and uses curved turnouts.
 
Thank you.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70100 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
All-
This looks like an O gauge RMT (Ready Made Trains) engine. They have a mini-version cab, but have a good motor, etc., and are fun to watch. They run in the under-$100 range.
Jim E.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank" <femiro2002@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 6:46:42 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?






I know it is not an RS 3 or event S. I just find it a joke that people post an item and have no clue of what they are selling. Here is the link.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/virginian-railroad-rs-3-mint-mini-engine-/271030225497?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D1097801249702126234%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1017%26rk%3D1%26
Let me know if it opens

Frank

On Aug 4, 2012, at 8:20 PM, " clipper841@... " < clipper841@... > wrote:

> frank:
> what was the ebay item number?
> mel perry
>
> On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:28 PM, frank emiro wrote:
>
> > It appears the site did not post it or EBAY did not do so.
> >
> > Frank R. EMIRO
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: frank emiro < femiro2002@... >
> > To: " S-Trains@yahoogroups.com " < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >
> > Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 6:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
> >
> >
> > Hi Gale, It might not post on the site. It was a GP shorty engine.
> > It might have been O or G scale. Unless some one made it is S
> >
> > Frank R. EMIRO
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Gale Hall < frisco91@... >
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 3:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Frank,
> >
> > It must be pretty fast cause I think it missed the photo.
> >
> > gale
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Frank
> > To: S Trains
> > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:12 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
> >
> > Frank
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70101 From: Randy Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
It's an O gauge engine. The tiny picture of the undercarriage show the center rail pickups. The seller probably goofed on the category.

eBay lesson #1: Good pictures sell better; bad pictures cause buyers to pass on your auction unless they like to gamble.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Frank <femiro2002@...> wrote:
>
> I know it is not an RS 3 or event S. I just find it a joke that people post an item and have no clue of what they are selling. Here is the link.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/virginian-railroad-rs-3-mint-mini-engine-/271030225497?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D1097801249702126234%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1017%26rk%3D1%26
> Let me know if it opens
>
> Frank
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2012, at 8:20 PM, "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> wrote:
>
> > frank:
> > what was the ebay item number?
> > mel perry
> >
> > On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:28 PM, frank emiro wrote:
> >
> > > It appears the site did not post it or EBAY did not do so.
> > >
> > > Frank R. EMIRO
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...>
> > > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 6:27 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Gale, It might not post on the site. It was a GP shorty engine.
> > > It might have been O or G scale. Unless some one made it is S
> > >
> > > Frank R. EMIRO
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Gale Hall <frisco91@...>
> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 3:19 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Frank,
> > >
> > > It must be pretty fast cause I think it missed the photo.
> > >
> > > gale
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Frank
> > > To: S Trains
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:12 AM
> > > Subject: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
> > >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70102 From: David Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: #24219 WM Hopper Decal Set+ Avaliable Now (Advertisement)
Heads up to you all. We have just added a DECAL SET+ for the fairly rare
AF #24219 WESTERN MARYLAND twin bay hopper at our seb site. Please use
the link below to view or purchase:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html>



Thank you all for your continuing support nand great ideas for ne decal
sets for the pre-1966 AF trains.

LBR



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70103 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
The RMT "Beep" is a mini GP type, they're geared low and run very well. Dual motors, operating couplers and nice detailing. I think they were originally a Kusan loco. While they might be a bit wide I think they'd make a good conversion to S.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: jimensign50@...
Sent: Sun Aug 05 12:48:28 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?




All-
This looks like an O gauge RMT (Ready Made Trains) engine. They have a mini-version cab, but have a good motor, etc., and are fun to watch. They run in the under-$100 range.
Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank" <femiro2002@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 6:46:42 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?

I know it is not an RS 3 or event S. I just find it a joke that people post an item and have no clue of what they are selling. Here is the link.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/virginian-railroad-rs-3-mint-mini-engine-/271030225497?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D1097801249702126234%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1017%26rk%3D1%26
Let me know if it opens

Frank

On Aug 4, 2012, at 8:20 PM, " clipper841@... " < clipper841@... > wrote:

> frank:
> what was the ebay item number?
> mel perry
>
> On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:28 PM, frank emiro wrote:
>
> > It appears the site did not post it or EBAY did not do so.
> >
> > Frank R. EMIRO
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: frank emiro < femiro2002@... >
> > To: " S-Trains@yahoogroups.com " < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >
> > Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 6:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
> >
> >
> > Hi Gale, It might not post on the site. It was a GP shorty engine.
> > It might have been O or G scale. Unless some one made it is S
> >
> > Frank R. EMIRO
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Gale Hall < frisco91@... >
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 3:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
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> > Frank,
> >
> > It must be pretty fast cause I think it missed the photo.
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> > gale
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Frank
> > To: S Trains
> > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:12 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70104 From: frank emiro Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?
Good point Randy


Frank R. EMIRO


________________________________
From: Randy <randy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2012 12:35 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: How is this for an RS 3 ?



 

It's an O gauge engine. The tiny picture of the undercarriage show the center rail pickups. The seller probably goofed on the category.

eBay lesson #1: Good pictures sell better; bad pictures cause buyers to pass on your auction unless they like to gamble.

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Frank <femiro2002@...> wrote:
>
> I know it is not an RS 3 or event S. I just find it a joke that people post an item and have no clue of what they are selling. Here is the link.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/virginian-railroad-rs-3-mint-mini-engine-/271030225497?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D1097801249702126234%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1017%26rk%3D1%26
> Let me know if it opens
>
> Frank
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2012, at 8:20 PM, "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> wrote:
>
> > frank:
> > what was the ebay item number?
> > mel perry
> >
> > On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:28 PM, frank emiro wrote:
> >
> > > It appears the site did not post it or EBAY did not do so.
> > >
> > > Frank R. EMIRO
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...>
> > > To: "mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 6:27 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Gale, It might not post on the site. It was a GP shorty engine.
> > > It might have been O or G scale. Unless some one made it is S
> > >
> > > Frank R. EMIRO
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Gale Hall <frisco91@...>
> > > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
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> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
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> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Frank
> > > To: S Trains
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:12 AM
> > > Subject: [S-Trains] How is this for an RS 3 ?
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70105 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: It's a BEEP!
The "RS-3" loco in question is a "BEEP," a "shorty" 4 wheel GP-7 in O gauge. The company was called Ready Made Toys, and we sold Beeps at the hobby shop for under fifty bucks when new. The same company made a "shorty" F-7 and a "shorty" Budd RDC, a cheesy 027 caboose and a hopper car. Oddly, they never made a 4 wheel "bobber" caboose, which would have looked neat with such short engines. Some of the molding of the cars was similar to the old Marx plastic stuff.
The "Beep" was cute, but would only pull two or three cars on level track. One customer bought two and pulled five full length carsreliably. He wanted me to scratch build a train of "shorty" O gauge cars to go with the locos, but then the shop folded and nothing came of that. He ended up buying three MTH ore cars instead.
In S gauge, the old Putt Trains "critter" 4 wheel diesels would be the equivient to the Beep.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70106 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Fest West
HI Ed

I am sorry to say I will be out of state during September and will regretfully miss FFW this year. I hope all goes well with the show.

Howard Sheffield
Howard' S Trains


On Aug 4, 2012, at 12:25 PM, EDWARD wrote:

> http://www.nasg.org/Events/FFW2012regform.pdf
>
> Sacramento Valley American Flyer Club
> FLYER FEST WEST 2012 Registration
> SEPTEMBER 15 - 16, 2012
> Please Read Both Sides of This Form and Print Legibly
> First Name Last Name
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70107 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: It's a BEEP!
stumpy:
is this the same company, that just purchased "k-line"
thanks
mel perry

On Aug 5, 2012, at 11:16 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:

> The "RS-3" loco in question is a "BEEP," a "shorty" 4 wheel GP-7 in
> O gauge. The company was called Ready Made Toys, and we sold Beeps
> at the hobby shop for under fifty bucks when new. The same company
> made a "shorty" F-7 and a "shorty" Budd RDC, a cheesy 027 caboose
> and a hopper car. Oddly, they never made a 4 wheel "bobber"
> caboose, which would have looked neat with such short engines. Some
> of the molding of the cars was similar to the old Marx plastic stuff.
> The "Beep" was cute, but would only pull two or three cars on level
> track. One customer bought two and pulled five full length
> carsreliably. He wanted me to scratch build a train of "shorty" O
> gauge cars to go with the locos, but then the shop folded and
> nothing came of that. He ended up buying three MTH ore cars instead.
> In S gauge, the old Putt Trains "critter" 4 wheel diesels would be
> the equivient to the Beep.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70108 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: It's a BEEP!
Hi Stumpy,
 
I have 2 BEEPS and a 3rd on the way fun little locos(Chessie and Conrail with an Amtrak on the way) The F7 is called a Beef and the budd cars are Buddies, they have matching passenger cars for the F7 called Peeps. Cool stuff the bad news is price went up due to China costs, the good news is RMT has teamed up with Aristo craft trains to stay in production.  
 
As for the tooling on cars they(RMT) got some of Marx tooling as well as some K-Line tooling to add to their line up of trains.
 
 
As for RMT they started out as Tyalor Made Trucks approx. 1/32 scale trucks plastic but detailed lighted and sounds, they even had a Lionel line up of flat bed trucks with train(027 sized)cars for loads, I have the one with the lionel tank car. Taylor made trucks was not around for long. It then became Ready made Trains/Toys and now is Ready made Trains by Aristo craft.
 
The Beep and Beef has a long history going back to Marx and maybe Kusan tooling?
 
Walter who runs RMT is great to deal with. Now if only RMT would take the S gauge plunge.

--- On Sun, 8/5/12, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] It's a BEEP!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 5, 2012, 2:16 PM



 



The "RS-3" loco in question is a "BEEP," a "shorty" 4 wheel GP-7 in O gauge. The company was called Ready Made Toys, and we sold Beeps at the hobby shop for under fifty bucks when new. The same company made a "shorty" F-7 and a "shorty" Budd RDC, a cheesy 027 caboose and a hopper car. Oddly, they never made a 4 wheel "bobber" caboose, which would have looked neat with such short engines. Some of the molding of the cars was similar to the old Marx plastic stuff.
The "Beep" was cute, but would only pull two or three cars on level track. One customer bought two and pulled five full length carsreliably. He wanted me to scratch build a train of "shorty" O gauge cars to go with the locos, but then the shop folded and nothing came of that. He ended up buying three MTH ore cars instead.
In S gauge, the old Putt Trains "critter" 4 wheel diesels would be the equivient to the Beep.
Stumpy in Ahia








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Group: S-Trains Message: 70109 From: Gale Hall Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: It's a BEEP!
The Beep goes back to Kusan tooling and it was battery powered on plastic track at the time...1960's\


gale hall
----- Original Message -----
From: weidner@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] It's a BEEP!



Hi Stumpy,

I have 2 BEEPS and a 3rd on the way fun little locos(Chessie and Conrail with an Amtrak on the way) The F7 is called a Beef and the budd cars are Buddies, they have matching passenger cars for the F7 called Peeps. Cool stuff the bad news is price went up due to China costs, the good news is RMT has teamed up with Aristo craft trains to stay in production.

As for the tooling on cars they(RMT) got some of Marx tooling as well as some K-Line tooling to add to their line up of trains.


As for RMT they started out as Tyalor Made Trucks approx. 1/32 scale trucks plastic but detailed lighted and sounds, they even had a Lionel line up of flat bed trucks with train(027 sized)cars for loads, I have the one with the lionel tank car. Taylor made trucks was not around for long. It then became Ready made Trains/Toys and now is Ready made Trains by Aristo craft.

The Beep and Beef has a long history going back to Marx and maybe Kusan tooling?

Walter who runs RMT is great to deal with. Now if only RMT would take the S gauge plunge.

--- On Sun, 8/5/12, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] It's a BEEP!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 5, 2012, 2:16 PM



The "RS-3" loco in question is a "BEEP," a "shorty" 4 wheel GP-7 in O gauge. The company was called Ready Made Toys, and we sold Beeps at the hobby shop for under fifty bucks when new. The same company made a "shorty" F-7 and a "shorty" Budd RDC, a cheesy 027 caboose and a hopper car. Oddly, they never made a 4 wheel "bobber" caboose, which would have looked neat with such short engines. Some of the molding of the cars was similar to the old Marx plastic stuff.
The "Beep" was cute, but would only pull two or three cars on level track. One customer bought two and pulled five full length carsreliably. He wanted me to scratch build a train of "shorty" O gauge cars to go with the locos, but then the shop folded and nothing came of that. He ended up buying three MTH ore cars instead.
In S gauge, the old Putt Trains "critter" 4 wheel diesels would be the equivient to the Beep.
Stumpy in Ahia

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70110 From: Don Thompson Date: 8/5/2012
Subject: Re: It's a BEEP!
Dear Mel,
No, they had an agreement to use the K-Line tooling from Maury. Unless things have changed since the sale, the tooling is owned by Kader Industries...
Don

On Aug 5, 2012, at 5:01 PM, clipper841@... wrote:

> stumpy:
> is this the same company, that just purchased "k-line"
> thanks
> mel perry
>
> On Aug 5, 2012, at 11:16 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
>
> > The "RS-3" loco in question is a "BEEP," a "shorty" 4 wheel GP-7 in
> > O gauge. The company was called Ready Made Toys, and we sold Beeps
> > at the hobby shop for under fifty bucks when new. The same company
> > made a "shorty" F-7 and a "shorty" Budd RDC, a cheesy 027 caboose
> > and a hopper car. Oddly, they never made a 4 wheel "bobber"
> > caboose, which would have looked neat with such short engines. Some
> > of the molding of the cars was similar to the old Marx plastic stuff.
> > The "Beep" was cute, but would only pull two or three cars on level
> > track. One customer bought two and pulled five full length
> > carsreliably. He wanted me to scratch build a train of "shorty" O
> > gauge cars to go with the locos, but then the shop folded and
> > nothing came of that. He ended up buying three MTH ore cars instead.
> > In S gauge, the old Putt Trains "critter" 4 wheel diesels would be
> > the equivient to the Beep.
> > Stumpy in Ahia
> >
> >
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70111 From: Mike Leahy Date: 8/6/2012
Subject: Cardboard Circus Set
I recently acquired 2 sets of the 1981 Greenberg Cardboard Circus Set.
There are 4 cut-out sheets with each set, plus the instructions. One set
has some of the circus tickets too. If interested make me an offer I can't
refuse on one set or both. Contact me at my email address:
gmichael.leahy@...



Thanks,



Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70112 From: Al Baker Date: 8/6/2012
Subject: American Models and S-Helper Service history??
I have only been back in S gauge a few years, but have heard slight mention a few times that these two were one, or had some relationship at one time. Can someone please explain for a relative newby?

I just bought some coaches off ebay that are supposedly SHS. But the undersides are marked American Models, and it is quite evident that they are made from the exact same molds that my AM coaches are made from. Yet the boxes say SHS.

Looking forward to my next lesson in S education...

Thanks,
Al Baker
Group: S-Trains Message: 70113 From: rj4010d Date: 8/6/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Martha7961" <dpippitt@...> wrote:
>
> I have a MTH produced "Gabe" the lamp lighter where Gabe has difficulty making it up the ladder. The relay that moves the ratchet to advance Game's climb pulls in but does not far enough to allow the ratchet link to catch. Any suggestions on how to improve the operation?
>
> Thanks
>
The brass pawl is of VERY poor quality & if you take the shed off you will find brass filings laying under the drum.You can bend the pawl where it lays square against the drum so that the pawl pushes the drum alittle further in its throw & I think I took the pawl assembly out & tightened the rivets a little making sure the pawl still swings freely.This will last a short while & then you are back to square one.Then you take the plate & pawl assembly from a flyer reverse unit & install it in the MTH assembly.I fought this problem for years on the Miami Valley S Gauge club layout.It has worked now for a long time after I changed the pawl assembly.Early on I was in touch with MTH & they had one complete ratchet assembly which I bought because they would not warrent the junk asembly of theirs.It is still sitting on a shelf waiting to be installed in an other MTH unit that had gone bad also on the club layout.Bottom Line: MTH is NOT going to have the customer satisfaction of SHS AT ALL!! They will only make S gauge items to sell & repair service be dammed !!!My 2 cent worth .
Bob Guckian Eaton Oh
Group: S-Trains Message: 70114 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 8/6/2012
Subject: Re: American Models and S-Helper Service history??
Hi Al,

I'm no expert, but it is my understanding that Don Thompson did some of
the production work for American Models before starting his own company
S Helper Service.

Today, American Models is still doing well. S Helper Service is still in
existence and is selling off their remaining inventory. M.T.H. has
bought S Helper Service's production tools, and they plan on bringing S
items to market in early 2013.

- Peter.



On 08/06/2012 7:28 pm, Al Baker wrote:
> I have only been back in S gauge a few years, but have heard slight mention a few times that these two were one, or had some relationship at one time. Can someone please explain for a relative newby?
>
> I just bought some coaches off ebay that are supposedly SHS. But the undersides are marked American Models, and it is quite evident that they are made from the exact same molds that my AM coaches are made from. Yet the boxes say SHS.
>
> Looking forward to my next lesson in S education...
>
> Thanks,
> Al Baker
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70115 From: Brady Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
<< ..MTH is NOT going to have the customer satisfaction of SHS AT ALL!! They will only make S gauge items to sell & repair service be dammed !!!My 2 cent worth .
> Bob Guckian Eaton Oh >>


I would be very surprised if, even in the best circumstances, MTH could give it's customers the kind of attention that SHS does.

As for production quality, in my O gauge days I had several MTH locos and I don't remember having any problems. The PS-1 battery was an issue not so much because of it's design, but because collectors stockpiled equipment meant to be operated.

Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 70116 From: Bradley G Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: plastic streamliner from american flyer
I have a new topic i would like to descuss.. How does one re chrome them back to there bauty .. They are worn .. Any help greatlly appreciated. I also have a set that has been painted porly and i want to strip them and refinish them.. What proceder do i take to start that one thnks Brad
Group: S-Trains Message: 70117 From: Roy Inman Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
Very little problems with MTH O gauge locos. I have had many over the years.

I think Bob is probably correct in assuming that MTH won¹t have the customer
connection that SHS did. It would be logistically impossible. Don T. knows
many of his customers personally and seemed to monitor the S lists. Whenever
I had a problem with SHS (very few and far between) I would always get a
personal reply from the owner. I can¹t imagine hearing from Mike Wolf at MTH
about the need for a spare handrail.

Having said that, I think we cannot read the minds of the folks who run MTH
and predict what they will or will not do.

Personally, I am expecting equipment of high quality, excellent detail and
of a wider range-85¹ passenger cars are on my wish list.

It will be interesting to see how the electronics are handled. Will they go
with DCS, DCC or offer an option for Lionel TMCC? We can¹t know from this
distance.

Roy Inman



From: Brady <brady@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:25:48 +0000
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Gabe







<< ..MTH is NOT going to have the customer satisfaction of SHS AT ALL!! They
will only make S gauge items to sell & repair service be dammed !!!My 2 cent
worth .
> Bob Guckian Eaton Oh >>

I would be very surprised if, even in the best circumstances, MTH could give
it's customers the kind of attention that SHS does.

As for production quality, in my O gauge days I had several MTH locos and I
don't remember having any problems. The PS-1 battery was an issue not so
much because of it's design, but because collectors stockpiled equipment
meant to be operated.

Brady








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Group: S-Trains Message: 70118 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: MTH Repair - My Experience
Hi All,

I bought the MTH operating service station several years ago on eBay. The seller said it didn't work so I got it for next to nothing. I fooled around with it and could not get it working. I called MTH and arraigned to have it checked out. I shipped it to them and waited for them to let me know what was wrong and how much the repair would cost. Meanwhile they repaired it and shipped it back at no cost to me - all under warranty! All it cost me was the shipping cost to MTH. So I strongly disagree with the guys slamming MTH's service.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 70119 From: MARK MCFREDERICK Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
I think that we should give MTH the benefit of the doubt, especially since
they are willing to get into the "S" market. I am willing to give them a
chance and; in turn, I will give them feedback on their items.

Mark in Akron


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70120 From: Alan Lambert Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Repair - My Experience
From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas

David,
Good point. You said what everyone needs to know. (Give them a chance) to start production in "S"  before we know. Enough negative insult will not be in our favor.I feel like Mike will keep the SHS standard alive. WE all need to chill until we see the end product
Alan Lambert


________________________________
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 10:25 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH Repair - My Experience



 

Hi All,

I bought the MTH operating service station several years ago on eBay. The seller said it didn't work so I got it for next to nothing. I fooled around with it and could not get it working. I called MTH and arraigned to have it checked out. I shipped it to them and waited for them to let me know what was wrong and how much the repair would cost. Meanwhile they repaired it and shipped it back at no cost to me - all under warranty! All it cost me was the shipping cost to MTH. So I strongly disagree with the guys slamming MTH's service.

David




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70121 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: plastic streamliner from american flyer
Doug at Port Lines Hobby has a re-chroming service.


In a message dated 8/7/2012 10:41:04 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
hollisterboyy@... writes:




I have a new topic i would like to descuss.. How does one re chrome them
back to there bauty .. They are worn .. Any help greatlly appreciated. I also
have a set that has been painted porly and i want to strip them and
refinish them.. What proceder do i take to start that one thnks Brad






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Group: S-Trains Message: 70122 From: Tom Hawley Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Locomotives
----- Original Message -----
From: Roy Inman
. . . . . . . . . It will be interesting to see how the electronics are
handled. Will they go
with DCS, DCC or offer an option for Lionel TMCC? We can¹t know from this
distance.
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
--------Response------------
While at the National Train Show this past weekend I had a nice talk with Mr
Rich Foster of MTH's sales dept. The first thing they hope to get out the
door, in 2013, will be track. Then some freight cars, then some
locomotives. The first locos will be the F3 & F7s because they can fit
their electronic boards in those. The SW & NW locos will require some study
to adapt them to MTH electronics.

The plan is to install the same electronics in our S locomotives that they
use in their O gauge products. It can be run by their DCS or by the NMRA's
DCC. I asked if they might sell them without the DCS/DCC capability, just
plain DC. He said it was possible, but not likely. They tried it in O
gauge but found that when people became familiar with their DCS/DCC, they
liked it, and MTH found themselves with unsold non-DCS/DCC.

BCNU in Chattanooga.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
http://michmod.com/
Group: S-Trains Message: 70123 From: Brady Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
>...It will be interesting to see how the electronics are handled. Will they go
> with DCS, DCC or offer an option for Lionel TMCC? We can¹t know from this
> distance.
>
> Roy Inman
>

Roy,

MTH uses their PS-3 (DCC/DCS/DC) in their HO, so it's a pretty safe bet that's what their S gauge will use, perhaps with AC for the hi-rail offerings. MTH isn't a TMCC liscensee, but they have added TMCC control to their DCS software.


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 70124 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
I agree!  If we want to see more in S gauge in the future we need to give them a chance now. Hopefully, it will work out for us and MTH.
Neil

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70125 From: Alan Lambert Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
From: Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth, Texas
Mark,
I have to agree with you here.We need to give MTH a chance. What would it be like if  MTH had not done what he did. We would be stuck with a scale (S) with one foot in the grave. I am willing to wait this out ans see what e git.
� Alan


________________________________
From: MARK MCFREDERICK <aftmbx62@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 9:13 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Gabe



 

I think that we should give MTH the benefit of the doubt, especially since
they are willing to get into the "S" market. I am willing to give them a
chance and; in turn, I will give them feedback on their items.

Mark in Akron

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70126 From: johntech Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
I was at the NMRA in Grand Rapids, MI last Saturday and talked to the guys at MTH and they said
by next year they are putting out an all new SD70ACe diesel in a wide variety of railroads, including
heritage schemes from Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern.

This is from the handouts at the show:

Scale and Hi-Rail wheel configurations
Scale and Hi-Rail couplers
Proto-Sound 3.0 Digital Sound
DCC/DCS command control equipped
LED lighting effects
Operating Smoke in selected models
Built-in Locomotive Speed Control
Prototypical Deco Schemes
Upgradeable Sound and Operating features
Powerful, Flywheel equipped motors

Check it out at www.mthsgaugetrains.com

John Frankforther
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Lambert
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Gabe



From: Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth, Texas
Mark,
I have to agree with you here.We need to give MTH a chance. What would it be like if MTH had not done what he did. We would be stuck with a scale (S) with one foot in the grave. I am willing to wait this out ans see what e git.
� Alan


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70127 From: David Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: AF 0-8-0 & 0-6-0 Rims Are Here ;o) (Advertisement)
After a very long wait our LBR BRAND drive wheel rims for the pre-1966
AMERICAN FLYER 0-8-0 & 0-6-0 steam engines are here.

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slip on traction tires and white insulators ($8.50 per pair, includes
shipping in CONUS).

#080-060DWRR are the plain flanged rims, insulators not included ($6.50
per pair, includes shipping in CONUS).

These rims use the same profile as the later #343 engines but will fit
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Please use the link below to view/purchase.

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>

Thank you all for your continuing support.

LBR



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70128 From: Tom Detmer Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
If MTH has TMCC control in their DCS software, I would bet that will
take care of a lot of concerns that many people have. There are enough
folks with investments in TMCC that want to run both Lionel and MTH
equipment. They probably would not be willing to invest in Protosound
and proprietary MTH control systems (even if they're good) because that
would involve adding another whole control system and who wants or needs
that? The idea of a TMCC control in MTH DCS software would solve a lot
of concerns.

On 8/7/2012 12:03 PM, Brady wrote:
>
> >...It will be interesting to see how the electronics are handled.
> Will they go
> > with DCS, DCC or offer an option for Lionel TMCC? We can¹t know from
> this
> > distance.
> >
> > Roy Inman
> >
>
> Roy,
>
> MTH uses their PS-3 (DCC/DCS/DC) in their HO, so it's a pretty safe
> bet that's what their S gauge will use, perhaps with AC for the
> hi-rail offerings. MTH isn't a TMCC liscensee, but they have added
> TMCC control to their DCS software.
>
> Brady
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70129 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
You have to connect a TMCC command base to DCS to operate TMCC equipment in command mode. It was demo'd for me a few years ago and seemed to work well. If memory serves, DCS could not handle all TMCC functions (programming?) so having a CAB-1 around is good.

The other bonus of DCS is the ability to run conventional locos, so if you're a hi-railer there's the potential to run DCS/TMCC/conventional from one remote.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: Tom Detmer <detmer@...>
Sent: Tue Aug 07 15:29:51 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Gabe




If MTH has TMCC control in their DCS software, I would bet that will
take care of a lot of concerns that many people have. There are enough
folks with investments in TMCC that want to run both Lionel and MTH
equipment. They probably would not be willing to invest in Protosound
and proprietary MTH control systems (even if they're good) because that
would involve adding another whole control system and who wants or needs
that? The idea of a TMCC control in MTH DCS software would solve a lot
of concerns.

On 8/7/2012 12:03 PM, Brady wrote:
>
> >...It will be interesting to see how the electronics are handled.
> Will they go
> > with DCS, DCC or offer an option for Lionel TMCC? We can¹t know from
> this
> > distance.
> >
> > Roy Inman
> >
>
> Roy,
>
> MTH uses their PS-3 (DCC/DCS/DC) in their HO, so it's a pretty safe
> bet that's what their S gauge will use, perhaps with AC for the
> hi-rail offerings. MTH isn't a TMCC liscensee, but they have added
> TMCC control to their DCS software.
>
> Brady
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70130 From: rapidrail1 Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Locomotives
Then I hope they will do what SHS did and at least make the process of changing to DC a simple matter of removing or changing a plug.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roy Inman
> . . . . . . . . . It will be interesting to see how the electronics are
> handled. Will they go
> with DCS, DCC or offer an option for Lionel TMCC? We can¹t know from this
> distance.
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> --------Response------------
> While at the National Train Show this past weekend I had a nice talk with Mr
> Rich Foster of MTH's sales dept. The first thing they hope to get out the
> door, in 2013, will be track. Then some freight cars, then some
> locomotives. The first locos will be the F3 & F7s because they can fit
> their electronic boards in those. The SW & NW locos will require some study
> to adapt them to MTH electronics.
>
> The plan is to install the same electronics in our S locomotives that they
> use in their O gauge products. It can be run by their DCS or by the NMRA's
> DCC. I asked if they might sell them without the DCS/DCC capability, just
> plain DC. He said it was possible, but not likely. They tried it in O
> gauge but found that when people became familiar with their DCS/DCC, they
> liked it, and MTH found themselves with unsold non-DCS/DCC.
>
> BCNU in Chattanooga.
>
> Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
> http://michmod.com/
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70131 From: Bill Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Tinplate rail
Anybody know a source of tinplate rail? I'd like to build my own turnouts. Can't find any decent Gargraves turnouts online. Bill in Idaho
Group: S-Trains Message: 70132 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
I had the same thoughts. We are going to miss the ownership of SHS.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: bjg@...
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 02:12:04 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Gabe






























--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Martha7961" <dpippitt@...> wrote:

>

> I have a MTH produced "Gabe" the lamp lighter where Gabe has difficulty making it up the ladder. The relay that moves the ratchet to advance Game's climb pulls in but does not far enough to allow the ratchet link to catch. Any suggestions on how to improve the operation?

>

> Thanks

>

The brass pawl is of VERY poor quality & if you take the shed off you will find brass filings laying under the drum.You can bend the pawl where it lays square against the drum so that the pawl pushes the drum alittle further in its throw & I think I took the pawl assembly out & tightened the rivets a little making sure the pawl still swings freely.This will last a short while & then you are back to square one.Then you take the plate & pawl assembly from a flyer reverse unit & install it in the MTH assembly.I fought this problem for years on the Miami Valley S Gauge club layout.It has worked now for a long time after I changed the pawl assembly.Early on I was in touch with MTH & they had one complete ratchet assembly which I bought because they would not warrent the junk asembly of theirs.It is still sitting on a shelf waiting to be installed in an other MTH unit that had gone bad also on the club layout.Bottom Line: MTH is NOT going to have the customer satisfaction of SHS AT ALL!! They will only make S gauge items to sell & repair service be dammed !!!My 2 cent worth .

Bob Guckian Eaton Oh


















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Group: S-Trains Message: 70133 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: MTH: My experience
Of necessity, my experience with MTH came during my O gauge years while working part time at the hobby shop. I had Lionel (post-war and new) plus K-Line, Weaver, and Williams trains. I started buying MTH early on, before they had sound and a control system because they were an excellent value for the money and something different than Lionel's repopped fifties trains.
Other than a battery problem with the MTH Proto One board, brought on by trying to run a loco with a dead battery, (I should have paid better attention to the instruction sheet)I had no problems.
We DID get an MTH loco brought into the shop with a problem from time to time. After all, no product line is 100% trouble free. MTH always took care of warrantee work promptly for us with no problems. Regular repairs sometimes took a bit longer because they seemed to be short of shop help at times.
While duplicating the friendly customer service we have come to appreciate from S Helper Service will be nearly impossible, I would expect MTH to be a good home for the SHS product line.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70134 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Locomotives
Changing to DC is always simple if all you want is the motor and light
functions.
Steve
SnS


In a message dated 8/7/2012 7:11:57 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
beachy3929@... writes:




Then I hope they will do what SHS did and at least make the process of
changing to DC a simple matter of removing or changing a plug.

Wayne

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Tom
Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roy Inman
> . . . . . . . . . It will be interesting to see how the electronics are
> handled. Will they go
> with DCS, DCC or offer an option for Lionel TMCC? We can¹t know from this
> distance.
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> --------Response------------
> While at the National Train Show this past weekend I had a nice talk
with Mr
> Rich Foster of MTH's sales dept. The first thing they hope to get out
the
> door, in 2013, will be track. Then some freight cars, then some
> locomotives. The first locos will be the F3 & F7s because they can fit
> their electronic boards in those. The SW & NW locos will require some
study
> to adapt them to MTH electronics.
>
> The plan is to install the same electronics in our S locomotives that
they
> use in their O gauge products. It can be run by their DCS or by the
NMRA's
> DCC. I asked if they might sell them without the DCS/DCC capability,
just
> plain DC. He said it was possible, but not likely. They tried it in O
> gauge but found that when people became familiar with their DCS/DCC,
they
> liked it, and MTH found themselves with unsold non-DCS/DCC.
>
> BCNU in Chattanooga.
>
> Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
> _http://michmod.com/_ (http://michmod.com/)
>







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Group: S-Trains Message: 70135 From: James Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Locomotives
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote:
>
> Then I hope they will do what SHS did and at least make the process of changing to DC a simple matter of removing or changing a plug.
>
> Wayne
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@> wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Roy Inman
> > . . . . . . . . . It will be interesting to see how the electronics are
> > handled. Will they go
> > with DCS, DCC or offer an option for Lionel TMCC? We can¹t know from this
> > distance.
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > --------Response------------
> > While at the National Train Show this past weekend I had a nice talk with Mr
> > Rich Foster of MTH's sales dept. The first thing they hope to get out the
> > door, in 2013, will be track. Then some freight cars, then some
> > locomotives. The first locos will be the F3 & F7s because they can fit
> > their electronic boards in those. The SW & NW locos will require some study
> > to adapt them to MTH electronics.
> >
> > The plan is to install the same electronics in our S locomotives that they
> > use in their O gauge products. It can be run by their DCS or by the NMRA's
> > DCC. I asked if they might sell them without the DCS/DCC capability, just
> > plain DC. He said it was possible, but not likely. They tried it in O
> > gauge but found that when people became familiar with their DCS/DCC, they
> > liked it, and MTH found themselves with unsold non-DCS/DCC.
> >
> > BCNU in Chattanooga.
> >
> > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
> > http://michmod.com/
> >
>
why not keep th SHS platform the way it was and offer the d-- what ever to those who want it.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70136 From: Bradley Golden Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: plastic streamliner from american flyer
thnk you forall the advive on re-chroming the stream liners Brad
Group: S-Trains Message: 70137 From: Don Thompson Date: 8/8/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
Me too. Dom PS we are 14 miles from TN. Yesterday was Roanoke , see the museum and chasing trains. Checking out what is left of N&W shops. Seeing active turntable. The surprise was the O
Winston Link museum. All I can say is WOW!

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 7, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Sam & Peggy Pellegrino <boxcarsam@...> wrote:

>
> I had the same thoughts. We are going to miss the ownership of SHS.
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> From: bjg@...
> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 02:12:04 +0000
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Gabe
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Martha7961" <dpippitt@...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I have a MTH produced "Gabe" the lamp lighter where Gabe has difficulty making it up the ladder. The relay that moves the ratchet to advance Game's climb pulls in but does not far enough to allow the ratchet link to catch. Any suggestions on how to improve the operation?
>
> >
>
> > Thanks
>
> >
>
> The brass pawl is of VERY poor quality & if you take the shed off you will find brass filings laying under the drum.You can bend the pawl where it lays square against the drum so that the pawl pushes the drum alittle further in its throw & I think I took the pawl assembly out & tightened the rivets a little making sure the pawl still swings freely.This will last a short while & then you are back to square one.Then you take the plate & pawl assembly from a flyer reverse unit & install it in the MTH assembly.I fought this problem for years on the Miami Valley S Gauge club layout.It has worked now for a long time after I changed the pawl assembly.Early on I was in touch with MTH & they had one complete ratchet assembly which I bought because they would not warrent the junk asembly of theirs.It is still sitting on a shelf waiting to be installed in an other MTH unit that had gone bad also on the club layout.Bottom Line: MTH is NOT going to have the customer satisfaction of SHS AT ALL!! They will only make S gauge items to sell & repair service be dammed !!!My 2 cent worth .
>
> Bob Guckian Eaton Oh
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70138 From: Timboy Date: 8/8/2012
Subject: Re: Tinplate rail
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <reklein72@...> wrote:
>
> Anybody know a source of tinplate rail? I'd like to build my own turnouts. Can't find any decent Gargraves turnouts online. Bill in Idaho
>

Bill,

I have used American Flyer rails from old track to build turnouts. Here is a link to a technique I developed:

http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/2010/09/handmade-turnout.html

Regards,
Timnoy
Group: S-Trains Message: 70139 From: JOHN Date: 8/8/2012
Subject: MTH
I am ready for the MTH bashing thread to end. It is starting to be like the "Flyonel" thread that went on far too long. Unless I missed some information it seems theat SHS was sold in a deal by consenting adults and not a hostile take over. Looks like the option was no SHS or SHS being produced by MTH. Since I have used MTH in both O and S and have had no problems with MTH parts and service departments, I am glad that MTH is wanting to make SHS items quickly rather than taking so long a time to produce S gausge items like Lionel when it acquired AF. A bigger player in S should make it a better day for S gauge.
Can't we just move along?
To all those traveling to Chattanooga, or any other train show this weekend, have a safe trip and a fun time.
Jack
Group: S-Trains Message: 70140 From: Tom Detmer Date: 8/8/2012
Subject: Re: MTH Gabe
Brady,

That's good to know. Thanks for filling in those details.

Tom

On 8/7/2012 6:04 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
>
> You have to connect a TMCC command base to DCS to operate TMCC
> equipment in command mode. It was demo'd for me a few years ago and
> seemed to work well. If memory serves, DCS could not handle all TMCC
> functions (programming?) so having a CAB-1 around is good.
>
> The other bonus of DCS is the ability to run conventional locos, so if
> you're a hi-railer there's the potential to run DCS/TMCC/conventional
> from one remote.
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70141 From: Timboy Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: The Lionel-Flyer Group
Friends,

There have been two important changes in the Lionel-Flyer Group:
1) The name has been changed to SHS-Lionel-Flyer. The group can now be used to discuss original SHS, MTH/SHS and Flyonel. Please note that this has necessitated a change to the link. The old link to the site will no longer work. The new link is:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SHS-Lionel-Flyer

2) The SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum is no longer moderated and posters are solely responsible for what they post & how they post it.

Regards,
Tim(SHS-Lionel-Flyer List Owner)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70142 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: renaming?
the all inclusive "s-trains" or s-gauge", bares a more realistic purpose
then a multi name designator, afte rall you want to present an all over
inclusive name to the public, as well as the manufacturers
mel perry
Group: S-Trains Message: 70143 From: Bill Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Thanks
Thanks to all the folks who've helped me find sources for GG turnouts and ways to build turnouts in S. Bill in Idaho
Group: S-Trains Message: 70144 From: Ray Puls Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: MTH
    Thanks John for hinting an end of this MTH bashing, this does get to be disheartening. The train hobby is supposed to be fun.
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70145 From: Bill Porter Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Re: The Lionel-Flyer Group
Good idea Tim. Makes sense to me.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 8/9/2012 7:14 AM, Timboy wrote:
> Friends,
>
> There have been two important changes in the Lionel-Flyer Group:
> 1) The name has been changed to SHS-Lionel-Flyer. The group can now be used to discuss original SHS, MTH/SHS and Flyonel. Please note that this has necessitated a change to the link. The old link to the site will no longer work. The new link is:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SHS-Lionel-Flyer
>
> 2) The SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum is no longer moderated and posters are solely responsible for what they post & how they post it.
>
> Regards,
> Tim(SHS-Lionel-Flyer List Owner)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70146 From: MARK MCFREDERICK Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Re: The Lionel-Flyer Group
OK, I'll jump into it first . . . why leave out American Models,
Greenberg's, MTH, Portline Hobbies, Gargraves, etc? I think that anything
"S" should be "discusable", especially since many of us run or use items
from several quality suppliers.

I'm new to this group but have been a collector/operator for over 40 years
and have served on the NASG BOD. Inclusiveness is almost always better
than segregation.

Mark in Akron


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70147 From: Timboy Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Re: The Lionel-Flyer Group
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARK MCFREDERICK <aftmbx62@...> wrote:
>
> OK, I'll jump into it first . . . why leave out American Models,
> Greenberg's, MTH, Portline Hobbies, Gargraves, etc? I think that anything
> "S" should be "discusable", especially since many of us run or use items
> from several quality suppliers.
>
> I'm new to this group but have been a collector/operator for over 40 years
> and have served on the NASG BOD. Inclusiveness is almost always better
> than segregation.
>
> Mark in Akron
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Hi Mark,

As the owner of that group, I'm thinking the same thing. I may just rename it yet again to "Non-Gilbert Flyer".

Thanks,
Tim
Group: S-Trains Message: 70148 From: mel perry Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Re: The Lionel-Flyer Group
i still think that something generic, but all inclusive will provide you a
better introduction into
your platform
mel perry



________________________________
From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, August 9, 2012 10:06:06 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: The Lionel-Flyer Group




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARK MCFREDERICK <aftmbx62@...> wrote:
>
> OK, I'll jump into it first . . . why leave out American Models,
> Greenberg's, MTH, Portline Hobbies, Gargraves, etc? I think that anything
> "S" should be "discusable", especially since many of us run or use items
> from several quality suppliers.
>
> I'm new to this group but have been a collector/operator for over 40 years
> and have served on the NASG BOD. Inclusiveness is almost always better
> than segregation.
>
> Mark in Akron
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Hi Mark,

As the owner of that group, I'm thinking the same thing. I may just rename it
yet again to "Non-Gilbert Flyer".

Thanks,
Tim




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70149 From: Timboy Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Re: The Lionel-Flyer Group
I broadened the group description, but didn't change the name of the group just yet so as not to be too annoying and confusing to everyone.

Thanks,
Tim

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:
>
> i still think that something generic, but all inclusive will provide you a
> better introduction into
> your platform
> mel perry
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, August 9, 2012 10:06:06 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: The Lionel-Flyer Group
>
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARK MCFREDERICK <aftmbx62@> wrote:
> >
> > OK, I'll jump into it first . . . why leave out American Models,
> > Greenberg's, MTH, Portline Hobbies, Gargraves, etc? I think that anything
> > "S" should be "discusable", especially since many of us run or use items
> > from several quality suppliers.
> >
> > I'm new to this group but have been a collector/operator for over 40 years
> > and have served on the NASG BOD. Inclusiveness is almost always better
> > than segregation.
> >
> > Mark in Akron
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> Hi Mark,
>
> As the owner of that group, I'm thinking the same thing. I may just rename it
> yet again to "Non-Gilbert Flyer".
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70150 From: Bill Porter Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Re: renaming?
Good point Mel. Curiously, when Paul Yorke started the S-Trains list,
that is the way it was.

Then the scale guys got grumpy and demanded a list with no mention of
American Flyer. Later, many of the Flyer aficionados objected to
mentions of Lionel made American Flyer and Tim created a group for that
purpose. Now, he is expanding it to encompass all other,
current-production (I think) brands of S-Trains. That seems like a good
idea.

If the thought of Yahoo Group Inflation (YGI) is irritating to some of
us, we can recognize that S is close to the grumpiest of scales and feel
right at home with it.

Bill (Not Really Grumpy about my trains)

Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.usOn 8/9/2012 11:02 AM,
clipper841@... wrote:
> the all inclusive "s-trains" or s-gauge", bares a more realistic purpose
> then a multi name designator, afte rall you want to present an all over
> inclusive name to the public, as well as the manufacturers
> mel perry
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70151 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Renaming and grumpy
Over on the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Group we are discussing the various possiblities right now. One of my suggestions was "Modern S." This has been a shot in the arm for postings as summer has been very slow on this realively recent Group.

As part of the discussion here, I was amused by the comment that S is the grumpiest scale. I picked up on that early into my return to S in the winter of 1999/2000. It was pretty well known at train shows that S gaugers were (as a group) cheap and grumpy even then, something that wasn't true when I was in the gauge in the late seventies/early eighties.

For being a tiny minority size of trains, (On30 is now more populated and still growing) we seem to have an awful lot of trouble with one another on Yahoo Groups too! Of course to be fair, Yahoo Groups seem to attract grumpy folks universally, probably because you aren't face to face with the folks on the other side of a question. Just try that at a train show!

Still, when you get to know many of the people here you find that this is a good bunch. I have been fortunate enough to meet some of the regular posters at train shows over the years and count many others who I know by e-mail but have yet to meet among my friends.

Since we're in an aging hobby, perhaps the grumpiness is age? Or could it be a natural reluctance to pay more for something that it is worth because a good many of us were raised by Depression Era parents?

Stumpy in Ahia...charter member of M.O.B.A. :-)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70152 From: Robert Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: MTH bashing
Hey gang before we atart bashing MTH why don't we wait and let them show us what kind of quality their S scale stuff is. If it's anything like their HO stuff asnd especially their Milweaukee Little Joe and Bipolar locomotives then I'd say we have nothing to worry about. As long as they turn out quality merchandise and at reasonable prices do we really care?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70153 From: Alan Lambert Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Re: MTH bashing
From: Alan Lambert
 
Robert,
I agree with you whole heartidly on this subject. We "ALL" need to chill out and give MTH a chance to "PRODUCE" the new s guage. Until then we do not have anything to compare with. We Need to quit jumping the gun or we may not see anything because of all the
"want it this way" talk. They have the SHS tooling so that should answer the "question".As far as "new" stuff again give Mike a chance. I am.
� Thanks,
Alan Lambert
� Lone Star Flyer Club
�Hurst, Texas
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


________________________________
From: Robert <danceswithwolves49@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH bashing



 

Hey gang before we atart bashing MTH why don't we wait and let them show us what kind of quality their S scale stuff is. If it's anything like their HO stuff asnd especially their Milweaukee Little Joe and Bipolar locomotives then I'd say we have nothing to worry about. As long as they turn out quality merchandise and at reasonable prices do we really care?




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70154 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: The LCCA and Lionel S Scale - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=sYAlDP80Eok

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70155 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/9/2012
Subject: Re: MTH bashing
Let's face it guys and gals. AC Gilbert company is never again going to
produce toy trains in any gauge. Let's make the best of what we have and are
going to have. SHS was fantastic and MTH will probably keep right on that
successful track...
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


In a message dated 8/9/2012 4:56:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
alanlambert64@... writes:




From: Alan Lambert

Robert,
I agree with you whole heartidly on this subject. We "ALL" need to chill
out and give MTH a chance to "PRODUCE" the new s guage. Until then we do not
have anything to compare with. We Need to quit jumping the gun or we may
not see anything because of all the
"want it this way" talk. They have the SHS tooling so that should answer
the "question".As far as "new" stuff again give Mike a chance. I am.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Hurst, Texas












________________________________
From: Robert <_danceswithwolves49@..._
(mailto:danceswithwolves49@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH bashing




Hey gang before we atart bashing MTH why don't we wait and let them show
us what kind of quality their S scale stuff is. If it's anything like their
HO stuff asnd especially their Milweaukee Little Joe and Bipolar
locomotives then I'd say we have nothing to worry about. As long as they turn out
quality merchandise and at reasonable prices do we really care?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70156 From: Alan Lambert Date: 8/10/2012
Subject: Re: MTH bashing
From: Alan Lambert
 
Well put. We all need to sit back at our layouts and think. "what would we do if we did not have what we have in our scale".
� Alan


________________________________
From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2012 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH bashing



 

Let's face it guys and gals. AC Gilbert company is never again going to
produce toy trains in any gauge. Let's make the best of what we have and are
going to have. SHS was fantastic and MTH will probably keep right on that
successful track...
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


In a message dated 8/9/2012 4:56:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
mailto:alanlambert64%40yahoo.com writes:

From: Alan Lambert

Robert,
I agree with you whole heartidly on this subject. We "ALL" need to chill
out and give MTH a chance to "PRODUCE" the new s guage. Until then we do not
have anything to compare with. We Need to quit jumping the gun or we may
not see anything because of all the
"want it this way" talk. They have the SHS tooling so that should answer
the "question".As far as "new" stuff again give Mike a chance. I am.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Hurst, Texas

________________________________
From: Robert <mailto:_danceswithwolves49%40hotmail.com_
(mailto:mailto:danceswithwolves49%40hotmail.com) >
To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH bashing

Hey gang before we atart bashing MTH why don't we wait and let them show
us what kind of quality their S scale stuff is. If it's anything like their
HO stuff asnd especially their Milweaukee Little Joe and Bipolar
locomotives then I'd say we have nothing to worry about. As long as they turn out
quality merchandise and at reasonable prices do we really care?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70157 From: Robert Conner Date: 8/10/2012
Subject: Re: MTH bashing
I, for one am looking forward to new avenues in "S"...... I always bug MTH aqbout "S".... I
think we have lots to look forward too...... I am saving my $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ now for their new items...... LETS GIVE THEM A CHANCE!!!!!!!!!!! Bob Conner

--- On Thu, 8/9/12, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote:


From: boss31@... <boss31@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH bashing
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2012, 9:58 PM



 



Let's face it guys and gals. AC Gilbert company is never again going to
produce toy trains in any gauge. Let's make the best of what we have and are
going to have. SHS was fantastic and MTH will probably keep right on that
successful track...
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


In a message dated 8/9/2012 4:56:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
alanlambert64@... writes:

From: Alan Lambert

Robert,
I agree with you whole heartidly on this subject. We "ALL" need to chill
out and give MTH a chance to "PRODUCE" the new s guage. Until then we do not
have anything to compare with. We Need to quit jumping the gun or we may
not see anything because of all the
"want it this way" talk. They have the SHS tooling so that should answer
the "question".As far as "new" stuff again give Mike a chance. I am.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Hurst, Texas

________________________________
From: Robert <_danceswithwolves49@..._
(mailto:danceswithwolves49@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH bashing

Hey gang before we atart bashing MTH why don't we wait and let them show
us what kind of quality their S scale stuff is. If it's anything like their
HO stuff asnd especially their Milweaukee Little Joe and Bipolar
locomotives then I'd say we have nothing to worry about. As long as they turn out
quality merchandise and at reasonable prices do we really care?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70158 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 8/10/2012
Subject: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
The Lionel-Flyer Forum has been an interesting experiment. Tim is to be
thanked for making the effort to set up and try the experiment. However,
anything that was or is posted on the L-F forum could have been justifiably
posted on the S-Trains board, as well. In fact, there is currently more
discussion about the L-F forum on the S-Trains forum than on the L-F forum. ;-)
If the SHS-L-F (or whatever) forum is not going to be moderated and the
traffic is low, it is time to fold it and collectively use the S-Trains forum,
which has served us well for over a decade. "S-Trains" covers all comers
and brands of hi-rail and Flyer S gauge very nicely.

Bob Bubeck



In a message dated 8/10/2012 6:49:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Friends,
>
> There have been two important changes in the Lionel-Flyer Group:
> 1) The name has been changed to SHS-Lionel-Flyer. The group can now be
used to discuss original SHS, MTH/SHS and Flyonel. Please note that this has
necessitated a change to the link. The old link to the site will no longer
work. The new link is:
>
> _http://groups.http://grohttp://grohttp://group_
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SHS-Lionel-Flyer)
>
> 2) The SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum is no longer moderated and posters are
solely responsible for what they post & how they post it.
>
> Regards,
> Tim(SHS-Lionel- Tim(SHS-Lionel-<WB



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70159 From: Al Baker Date: 8/10/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Amen Bob!! I am in total agreement.

I don't want to have to go to many different forums. I think S-Trains covers all S gauge hi-rail discussions quite nicely. I'm ok with AvailableSgauge for buying/selling, and of course S-Scale for scale discussions. But I don't understand why we need more than that???

Al Baker




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@... wrote:
>
> The Lionel-Flyer Forum has been an interesting experiment. Tim is to be
> thanked for making the effort to set up and try the experiment. However,
> anything that was or is posted on the L-F forum could have been justifiably
> posted on the S-Trains board, as well. In fact, there is currently more
> discussion about the L-F forum on the S-Trains forum than on the L-F forum. ;-)
> If the SHS-L-F (or whatever) forum is not going to be moderated and the
> traffic is low, it is time to fold it and collectively use the S-Trains forum,
> which has served us well for over a decade. "S-Trains" covers all comers
> and brands of hi-rail and Flyer S gauge very nicely.
>
> Bob Bubeck
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/10/2012 6:49:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
> Friends,
> >
> > There have been two important changes in the Lionel-Flyer Group:
> > 1) The name has been changed to SHS-Lionel-Flyer. The group can now be
> used to discuss original SHS, MTH/SHS and Flyonel. Please note that this has
> necessitated a change to the link. The old link to the site will no longer
> work. The new link is:
> >
> > _http://groups.http://grohttp://grohttp://group_
> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SHS-Lionel-Flyer)
> >
> > 2) The SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum is no longer moderated and posters are
> solely responsible for what they post & how they post it.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tim(SHS-Lionel- Tim(SHS-Lionel-<WB
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70160 From: Timboy Date: 8/10/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@... wrote:
>
> The Lionel-Flyer Forum has been an interesting experiment. Tim is to be
> thanked for making the effort to set up and try the experiment. However,
> anything that was or is posted on the L-F forum could have been justifiably
> posted on the S-Trains board, as well. In fact, there is currently more
> discussion about the L-F forum on the S-Trains forum than on the L-F forum. ;-)
> If the SHS-L-F (or whatever) forum is not going to be moderated and the
> traffic is low, it is time to fold it and collectively use the S-Trains forum,
> which has served us well for over a decade. "S-Trains" covers all comers
> and brands of hi-rail and Flyer S gauge very nicely.
>
> Bob Bubeck
>

Thanks for the compliment. I respect your opinion and appreciate your voicing it, Bob. However, I feel that the "unmoderated" aspect of the SHS-Lionel Group may prove to be interesting. Time will tell. Let's see what happens when "train season" is in full swing. I'm not opposed to re-defining it's mission if the membership expresses a valid concept.
Thanks again,
Tim
Group: S-Trains Message: 70161 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/10/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
"Why-ah, that makes me wonder, too". AS my Amish friend would say.

Jim "livin' on the Pennsy Main" Lyle


In a message dated 8/10/2012 1:26:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
albaker33@... writes:

But I don't understand why we need more than that???




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70162 From: Mark Mugnai Date: 8/10/2012
Subject: 2 Wire Tender "Plug" for #21160, etc.....
Does anyone out there know where I can score a couple of these?

Thanks in advance.

Mark in Oregon
Group: S-Trains Message: 70163 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 8/10/2012
Subject: Re: 2 Wire Tender "Plug" for #21160, etc.....
Doug Peck, Portlines Hobbies. Mike in Ore 2


In a message dated 8/10/2012 5:30:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mugnai@... writes:




Does anyone out there know where I can score a couple of these?

Thanks in advance.

Mark in Oregon






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Group: S-Trains Message: 70164 From: JOHN Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Is SHS-Flyer Forum Necessary
This is getting too personal. My wife will sometimes ask me if that covered hopper I am looking at is really necessary. How do you answer that? Thank goodness she sometimes gives me a wink when she says that.
Is this forum necesssary?
Anyone interested in an F-MTH-SHS-AM-L? (Why is Flyer last in all the other forum lisintgs.) It is still a free country???????
I thnk I'll get another cup of coffee. That is necessary!
John
Group: S-Trains Message: 70165 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Necessary? Perhaps not. But I see no harm in another S gauge Yahoo Group. If it is "one too many" for anyone to look at from time to time, just don't bother.
Why would anyone suggest another S promoting Yahoo Group be dropped? Is S not a minority gauge with little exposure already?
I guess there are some folks who wouldn't want to see a "Stumpy S" Yahoo Group? But if S remains virtually unseen, how can it grow?
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70166 From: Mark Mugnai Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: 2 Wire Tender "Plug" for #21160, etc.....
You know, I checked his site and didn't see any listed; guess I should contact Doug and ask.
Great vendor,BTW....

Mark in Oregon
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Doug Peck, Portlines Hobbies. Mike in Ore 2
>
>
> In a message dated 8/10/2012 5:30:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> mugnai@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone out there know where I can score a couple of these?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Mark in Oregon
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70167 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: 2 Wire Tender "Plug" for #21160, etc.....
Port Lines Hobby, under "Steamers General". Eighth item down on the first
page.

Steve
SnS Trains...Boise


In a message dated 8/11/2012 10:30:45 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
mugnai@... writes:





You know, I checked his site and didn't see any listed; guess I should
contact Doug and ask.
Great vendor,BTW....

Mark in Oregon
--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Doug Peck, Portlines Hobbies. Mike in Ore 2
>
>
> In a message dated 8/10/2012 5:30:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> mugnai@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone out there know where I can score a couple of these?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Mark in Oregon
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 70168 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
I believe I have to agree with Bob and Al on this one.

-Rick Evans

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:
>
> Amen Bob!! I am in total agreement.
>
> I don't want to have to go to many different forums. I think S-Trains covers all S gauge hi-rail discussions quite nicely. I'm ok with AvailableSgauge for buying/selling, and of course S-Scale for scale discussions. But I don't understand why we need more than that???
>
> Al Baker
>
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@ wrote:
> >
> > The Lionel-Flyer Forum has been an interesting experiment. Tim is to be
> > thanked for making the effort to set up and try the experiment. However,
> > anything that was or is posted on the L-F forum could have been justifiably
> > posted on the S-Trains board, as well. In fact, there is currently more
> > discussion about the L-F forum on the S-Trains forum than on the L-F forum. ;-)
> > If the SHS-L-F (or whatever) forum is not going to be moderated and the
> > traffic is low, it is time to fold it and collectively use the S-Trains forum,
> > which has served us well for over a decade. "S-Trains" covers all comers
> > and brands of hi-rail and Flyer S gauge very nicely.
> >
> > Bob Bubeck
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/10/2012 6:49:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
> >
> > Friends,
> > >
> > > There have been two important changes in the Lionel-Flyer Group:
> > > 1) The name has been changed to SHS-Lionel-Flyer. The group can now be
> > used to discuss original SHS, MTH/SHS and Flyonel. Please note that this has
> > necessitated a change to the link. The old link to the site will no longer
> > work. The new link is:
> > >
> > > _http://groups.http://grohttp://grohttp://group_
> > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SHS-Lionel-Flyer)
> > >
> > > 2) The SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum is no longer moderated and posters are
> > solely responsible for what they post & how they post it.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tim(SHS-Lionel- Tim(SHS-Lionel-<WB
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70169 From: Robert Lampe Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: Is SHS-Flyer Forum Necessary
I tell ya folks this is starting to get downright ridiculous. Does it really matter how many forums there are?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: afdinger@...
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:06:26 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Is SHS-Flyer Forum Necessary


























This is getting too personal. My wife will sometimes ask me if that covered hopper I am looking at is really necessary. How do you answer that? Thank goodness she sometimes gives me a wink when she says that.

Is this forum necesssary?

Anyone interested in an F-MTH-SHS-AM-L? (Why is Flyer last in all the other forum lisintgs.) It is still a free country???????

I thnk I'll get another cup of coffee. That is necessary!

John


























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Group: S-Trains Message: 70170 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: MTH bashing
I hope they come with newer types of cars and engines.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 10, 2012 5:49 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH bashing

 
I, for one am looking forward to new avenues in "S"...... I always bug
MTH aqbout "S".... I
think we have lots to look forward too...... I am saving my
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ now for their new items...... LETS GIVE THEM A
CHANCE!!!!!!!!!!! Bob Conner

--- On Thu, 8/9/12, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote:

From: boss31@... <boss31@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH bashing
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2012, 9:58 PM

 

Let's face it guys and gals. AC Gilbert company is never again going to
produce toy trains in any gauge. Let's make the best of what we have
and are
going to have. SHS was fantastic and MTH will probably keep right on
that
successful track...
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise

In a message dated 8/9/2012 4:56:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
alanlambert64@... writes:

From: Alan Lambert

Robert,
I agree with you whole heartidly on this subject. We "ALL" need to
chill
out and give MTH a chance to "PRODUCE" the new s guage. Until then we
do not
have anything to compare with. We Need to quit jumping the gun or we
may
not see anything because of all the
"want it this way" talk. They have the SHS tooling so that should
answer
the "question".As far as "new" stuff again give Mike a chance. I am.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Hurst, Texas

________________________________
From: Robert <_danceswithwolves49@..._
(mailto:danceswithwolves49@...) >
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH bashing

Hey gang before we atart bashing MTH why don't we wait and let them
show
us what kind of quality their S scale stuff is. If it's anything like
their
HO stuff asnd especially their Milweaukee Little Joe and Bipolar
locomotives then I'd say we have nothing to worry about. As long as
they turn out
quality merchandise and at reasonable prices do we really care?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70171 From: Frank Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: Is SHS-Flyer Forum Necessary
The original name worked fine. The s trains site can deal with all the other names & brands if need be.

Frank


On Aug 11, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote:

> I tell ya folks this is starting to get downright ridiculous. Does it really matter how many forums there are?
>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> From: afdinger@...
> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:06:26 +0000
> Subject: [S-Trains] Is SHS-Flyer Forum Necessary
>
> This is getting too personal. My wife will sometimes ask me if that covered hopper I am looking at is really necessary. How do you answer that? Thank goodness she sometimes gives me a wink when she says that.
>
> Is this forum necesssary?
>
> Anyone interested in an F-MTH-SHS-AM-L? (Why is Flyer last in all the other forum lisintgs.) It is still a free country???????
>
> I thnk I'll get another cup of coffee. That is necessary!
>
> John
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70172 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: Is SHS-Flyer Forum Necessary
Sure it matters �. who wants to post a question in 14 different "S" forums to get an answer?
Just sayin'.

-Rick Evans

On Aug 11, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Robert Lampe wrote:

> I tell ya folks this is starting to get downright ridiculous. Does it really matter how many forums there are?
>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> From: afdinger@...
> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:06:26 +0000
> Subject: [S-Trains] Is SHS-Flyer Forum Necessary
>
> This is getting too personal. My wife will sometimes ask me if that covered hopper I am looking at is really necessary. How do you answer that? Thank goodness she sometimes gives me a wink when she says that.
>
> Is this forum necesssary?
>
> Anyone interested in an F-MTH-SHS-AM-L? (Why is Flyer last in all the other forum lisintgs.) It is still a free country???????
>
> I thnk I'll get another cup of coffee. That is necessary!
>
> John
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70173 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: 2 Wire Tender "Plug" for #21160, etc.....
I have PA10291 Male Plug Pins 2/$1.50. Used on XA10287 & XA10335 Jack Panels on DC Locomotives, '46 '47 Locomotive. HO and 350-253 Bullet Locos. If thats what you need, please contact me off list seccia@...
Tom Seccia
Triple "S" Supplies



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From: Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:51 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 2 Wire Tender "Plug" for #21160, etc.....


 

You know, I checked his site and didn't see any listed; guess I should contact Doug and ask.
Great vendor,BTW....

Mark in Oregon
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Doug Peck, Portlines Hobbies. Mike in Ore 2
>
>
> In a message dated 8/10/2012 5:30:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> mugnai@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone out there know where I can score a couple of these?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Mark in Oregon
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70174 From: Mark Mugnai Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: 2 Wire Tender "Plug" for #21160, etc.....
Got it; I looked in the "Atlantic" category and didn't see it there...

Thanks.

Mark in Oregon



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote:
>
> Port Lines Hobby, under "Steamers General". Eighth item down on the first
> page.
>
> Steve
> SnS Trains...Boise
>
>
> In a message dated 8/11/2012 10:30:45 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> mugnai@... writes:
>
>
>
>
>
> You know, I checked his site and didn't see any listed; guess I should
> contact Doug and ask.
> Great vendor,BTW....
>
> Mark in Oregon
> --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
> anormal1@ wrote:
> >
> > Doug Peck, Portlines Hobbies. Mike in Ore 2
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/10/2012 5:30:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > mugnai@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone out there know where I can score a couple of these?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Mark in Oregon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70175 From: George Cohn Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: Is SHS-Flyer Forum Necessary
On 8/11/2012 10:59 AM, Rick Evans wrote:
> Sure it matters …. who wants to post a question in 14 different "S" forums to get an answer?
> Just sayin'.

Many years ago, I belonged to one of the first Internet car forums for a
particular make.

The problem was those of us who owned the rarer models were getting
drowned out in the chatter by those with the more common models.

The solution was to split the big list up into specific model lists.

There was a lot of moaning and groaning about all of the different lists
I need to read at first.

But 16 years later the site is going strong and each model list
developed a strong community of followers and it worked out well for
everyone.

So if there is a list for a particular brand of S gauge that I own, I
would follow that but look in on the other lists from time to time just
to see what else was available.

Just my .02 for having been there and done that.

(I was the list admin for my model for 16 years and just recently handed
the wheel to a younger admin.)

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70176 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: Is SHS-Flyer Forum Necessary
actually, if everyone reduced their "me tooisim's", the traffic would
reduce to an acceptable levlel
mel perry

On Aug 11, 2012, at 5:58 PM, George Cohn wrote:

> On 8/11/2012 10:59 AM, Rick Evans wrote:
>> Sure it matters …. who wants to post a question in 14 different
>> "S" forums to get an answer?
>> Just sayin'.
>
> Many years ago, I belonged to one of the first Internet car forums
> for a
> particular make.
>
> The problem was those of us who owned the rarer models were getting
> drowned out in the chatter by those with the more common models.
>
> The solution was to split the big list up into specific model lists.
>
> There was a lot of moaning and groaning about all of the different
> lists
> I need to read at first.
>
> But 16 years later the site is going strong and each model list
> developed a strong community of followers and it worked out well for
> everyone.
>
> So if there is a list for a particular brand of S gauge that I own, I
> would follow that but look in on the other lists from time to time
> just
> to see what else was available.
>
> Just my .02 for having been there and done that.
>
> (I was the list admin for my model for 16 years and just recently
> handed
> the wheel to a younger admin.)
>
> George Cohn
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70177 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/11/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
I concur.  More groups does not mean more people are getting involved or that the hobby is growing.  To me, more groups sounds like people are arguing over petty distinctions, which is more likely to turn off new people than to attract them.  I like the inclusivity of the S-Trains group.  In those cases where a message relates specifically to SHS, AM, Flyer, etc., the subject line virtually always indicates which flavor of S is involved.  I think theS-Trainsgroup is fine as it has been.



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From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:41 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?


 
I believe I have to agree with Bob and Al on this one.

-Rick Evans

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:
>
> Amen Bob!! I am in total agreement.
>
> I don't want to have to go to many different forums. I think S-Trains covers all S gauge hi-rail discussions quite nicely. I'm ok with AvailableSgauge for buying/selling, and of course S-Scale for scale discussions. But I don't understand why we need more than that???
>
> Al Baker
>
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@ wrote:
> >
> > The Lionel-Flyer Forum has been an interesting experiment. Tim is to be
> > thanked for making the effort to set up and try the experiment. However,
> > anything that was or is posted on the L-F forum could have been justifiably
> > posted on the S-Trains board, as well. In fact, there is currently more
> > discussion about the L-F forum on the S-Trains forum than on the L-F forum. ;-)
> > If the SHS-L-F (or whatever) forum is not going to be moderated and the
> > traffic is low, it is time to fold it and collectively use the S-Trains forum,
> > which has served us well for over a decade. "S-Trains" covers all comers
> > and brands of hi-rail and Flyer S gauge very nicely.
> >
> > Bob Bubeck
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/10/2012 6:49:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
> >
> > Friends,
> > >
> > > There have been two important changes in the Lionel-Flyer Group:
> > > 1) The name has been changed to SHS-Lionel-Flyer. The group can now be
> > used to discuss original SHS, MTH/SHS and Flyonel. Please note that this has
> > necessitated a change to the link. The old link to the site will no longer
> > work. The new link is:
> > >
> > > _http://groups.http://grohttp://grohttp://group_
> > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SHS-Lionel-Flyer)
> > >
> > > 2) The SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum is no longer moderated and posters are
> > solely responsible for what they post & how they post it.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tim(SHS-Lionel- Tim(SHS-Lionel-<WB
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70178 From: dwally74 Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Smoke Output AF Engine 21115
I had a can motor installed on my American Flyer 21115 engine and now the smoke isn't that great, I heard that the wire to the smoke unit can be wired direct to the truck rivet, not to the can motor for better output, can anyone tell me if this works, Thanks Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 70179 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: 2 Wire Tender "Plug" for #21160, etc.....
Hi Mark

There are therr places you can get these parts the plug consist of two parts the plastic plug and the brass prongs both of which Doug Peck should have if not Triple S has them Tom will be able to give you actual part numbers ant the third place is Hobby Surplus in Connecticut. Tom is in this group as well as Doug
Good Luck stan
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Mugnai
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 8:00 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 2 Wire Tender "Plug" for #21160, etc.....



Does anyone out there know where I can score a couple of these?

Thanks in advance.

Mark in Oregon





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70180 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: MTH--not a bash
Hi all,
This is not a bashing -- my question is, "OK< they bought all the tooling,
etc. WHEN will we see product??" There's a two-year backlog of wanting
stuff! Even if they don't meet the date, I wish they'd publish one (after
all, the other "big gun" seldom meets production times -- I think we're used
to that by now!).
:)
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70181 From: Brady Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
When MTH S hits the streets, in-depth discussions of DCS are sure to follow. Where will those discussions take place?

Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 70182 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke Output AF Engine 21115
Good thought, but how can you do that with the two prong plug? You would
need to run two more wires to the loco from the tender.
Steve


In a message dated 8/12/2012 8:31:31 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
dwally74@... writes:




I had a can motor installed on my American Flyer 21115 engine and now the
smoke isn't that great, I heard that the wire to the smoke unit can be wired
direct to the truck rivet, not to the can motor for better output, can
anyone tell me if this works, Thanks Dave






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Group: S-Trains Message: 70183 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke output 21115 engine
I have installed many of Steve's S-n-S Trains DC can motors in old locomotives. Often, because they draw less power to do the same amount of work as the old motors, they smoke a little less. This is because where you used to run, say, 15 volts to pull a certain length train at a certain speed, it now takes maybe 12 or 13. This lower voltage demand to move the train also means less voltage availible for headlight and smoke unit of course.

Add a couple of cars to the train to gain load and therefore draw more power for the headlight and smoke unit to use.

While I've not had this problem, some folks say that because the motor gets the power first, there is less "downstream" for the smoke and headlight. Adding two more wires from the tender truck posts to the smoke unit wires directly to bypass the motor will help.

I use the "superflex" wire and sub miniature plugs for all wiring from the tender trucks to the engine. The original wire and plugs are often troublesome due to age, and I don't require original appearance.

If you must have a back of cab board and plug system to keep the original appearance, try getting an original or repro board and plug for an engine that requires four or more wires. Most old Flyer fans won't notice the change because it looks right.

I imagine you've already checked all connections for tightness and wheels and so on for dirt or light corrosion. Often old Flyer has more trouble with sitting dormant for long periods than picking up crud on the wheels from miles of operation.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70184 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: NS Heritage Power - TRAINS Magazine Special Issue
Good info and great photos..

http://trn.trains.com/Home/Hidden/Marketing/Articles/2012/06/HeritagePower.aspx

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70185 From: Bill Porter Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Good question Brady. The scale and operations guys are strongly
attracted to command systems because it gives them better speed options,
consisting, historically accurate lights & sounds and many other
features that fit with those phases of the hobby. We should expect some
cross-posting between S-Scale and at least the
SHS-Lionel-Flyer-DesPlaines-AmericanModels-xxx list. Will some of our
colleagues on this list object to such discussions? Only time will tell.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 8/12/2012 2:16 PM, Brady wrote:
> When MTH S hits the streets, in-depth discussions of DCS are sure to follow. Where will those discussions take place?
>
> Brady
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70186 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: is SHS-Lionel-Flyer forum really necessary?
I must be getting old...I should have thought of asking this before: Why is there more discussion of the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Yahoo Group here than on the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Group itself?
This all started by the Group owner dropping moderation and changing the Group's name. There seems to be no problem among the membership over there, why is there a problem here? Besides, the Group has already existed for some months, so it's not really a new Group anyway, just a name change.
Am I missing something here?
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70187 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: is SHS-Lionel-Flyer forum really necessary?
And why has MTH been left out of the groupings?


In a message dated 8/12/2012 2:45:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mrstumpy@... writes:




I must be getting old...I should have thought of asking this before: Why is
there more discussion of the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Yahoo Group here than on the
SHS-Lionel-Flyer Group itself?
This all started by the Group owner dropping moderation and changing the
Group's name. There seems to be no problem among the membership over there,
why is there a problem here? Besides, the Group has already existed for
some months, so it's not really a new Group anyway, just a name change.
Am I missing something here?
Stumpy in Ahia






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Group: S-Trains Message: 70188 From: Roy Inman Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
MTH says that the S catalog will be out in the fall and dated 2013. But as
you point out, not everything that manufacturers catalog is on time, or even
produced for that matter.

Roy



From: <djdewey@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 07:19:18 -0700
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH--not a bash






Hi all,
This is not a bashing -- my question is, "OK< they bought all the tooling,
etc. WHEN will we see product??" There's a two-year backlog of wanting
stuff! Even if they don't meet the date, I wish they'd publish one (after
all, the other "big gun" seldom meets production times -- I think we're used
to that by now!).
:)
S'
David D.








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Group: S-Trains Message: 70189 From: johntech Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
I'm sure it takes time to setup the molds and figure out what products they will be making.
It's not like they can put the molds in place and pick up where SHS left off. I assume they
want to test the S "waters" to see what is wanted. If they are coming out with new electronics
that all has to be tested too. As we have seen in the past posts about MTH's past reputation,
I'm sure they want to enter the S market with their best foot forward.
So lets give them a change before we knock them down.


John Frankforther
----- Original Message -----
From: Roy Inman
To: S-trains
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH--not a bash



MTH says that the S catalog will be out in the fall and dated 2013. But as
you point out, not everything that manufacturers catalog is on time, or even
produced for that matter.

Roy




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70190 From: Roy Inman Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
Don Thompson said that the deal with MTH had been in the works a year, but
that he could not mention anything publically about it until the big
simultaneous announcement whenever it was.

So MTH has had a year or so to work out at least some of the details.

I am looking forward with considerable anticipation to see what they come up
with, AND the price point.

Roy Inman

From: johntech <beebear@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:05:09 -0400
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH--not a bash






I'm sure it takes time to setup the molds and figure out what products they
will be making.
It's not like they can put the molds in place and pick up where SHS left
off. I assume they
want to test the S "waters" to see what is wanted. If they are coming out
with new electronics
that all has to be tested too. As we have seen in the past posts about MTH's
past reputation,
I'm sure they want to enter the S market with their best foot forward.
So lets give them a change before we knock them down.

John Frankforther
----- Original Message -----
From: Roy Inman
To: S-trains
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH--not a bash

MTH says that the S catalog will be out in the fall and dated 2013. But as
you point out, not everything that manufacturers catalog is on time, or
even
produced for that matter.

Roy

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70191 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
john:
you are absolutely correct, unfortunately some of our seniors, are
forgetting the golden rule
"old age is not an excuse for bad manners"
mel perry

On Aug 12, 2012, at 5:05 PM, johntech wrote:

> I'm sure it takes time to setup the molds and figure out what
> products they will be making.
> It's not like they can put the molds in place and pick up where SHS
> left off. I assume they
> want to test the S "waters" to see what is wanted. If they are
> coming out with new electronics
> that all has to be tested too. As we have seen in the past posts
> about MTH's past reputation,
> I'm sure they want to enter the S market with their best foot forward.
> So lets give them a change before we knock them down.
>
> John Frankforther
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roy Inman
> To: S-trains
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH--not a bash
>
> MTH says that the S catalog will be out in the fall and dated 2013.
> But as
> you point out, not everything that manufacturers catalog is on
> time, or even
> produced for that matter.
>
> Roy
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70192 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 8/12/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
All the talk I heard in Chattanooga was very positive about MTH. But
remember, production will have to be set up at a new manufacturer, so we do not
have any choice but to be patient. I think it will be worth the wait.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 8/12/2012 7:10:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
beebear@... writes:




I'm sure it takes time to setup the molds and figure out what products they
will be making.
It's not like they can put the molds in place and pick up where SHS left
off. I assume they
want to test the S "waters" to see what is wanted. If they are coming out
with new electronics
that all has to be tested too. As we have seen in the past posts about
MTH's past reputation,
I'm sure they want to enter the S market with their best foot forward.
So lets give them a change before we knock them down.

John Frankforther
----- Original Message -----
From: Roy Inman
To: S-trains
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH--not a bash

MTH says that the S catalog will be out in the fall and dated 2013. But as
you point out, not everything that manufacturers catalog is on time, or
even
produced for that matter.

Roy

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70193 From: Herbert Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
They may have spent a year negotiating the deal. I doubt that Mike Wolf was sitting on his hands for a year.
Herb Wasserman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Don Thompson said that the deal with MTH had been in the works a year, but
> that he could not mention anything publically about it until the big
> simultaneous announcement whenever it was.
>
> So MTH has had a year or so to work out at least some of the details.
>
> I am looking forward with considerable anticipation to see what they come up
> with, AND the price point.
>
> Roy Inman
>
> From: johntech <beebear@...>
> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:05:09 -0400
> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH--not a bash
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm sure it takes time to setup the molds and figure out what products they
> will be making.
> It's not like they can put the molds in place and pick up where SHS left
> off. I assume they
> want to test the S "waters" to see what is wanted. If they are coming out
> with new electronics
> that all has to be tested too. As we have seen in the past posts about MTH's
> past reputation,
> I'm sure they want to enter the S market with their best foot forward.
> So lets give them a change before we knock them down.
>
> John Frankforther
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roy Inman
> To: S-trains
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH--not a bash
>
> MTH says that the S catalog will be out in the fall and dated 2013. But as
> you point out, not everything that manufacturers catalog is on time, or
> even
> produced for that matter.
>
> Roy
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70194 From: Lamont Heppe Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
I refuse to look at yet another S group. It is just too time consuming.

Monte Heppe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70195 From: John Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--patience
When MTH bought SHS they bought not so much the tangible things like the molds and dies, but rather the intangible things (a loyal customer base, goodwill, trademark). I assume he paid a fair amount of money for the opportunity to immediately enter the S scale market rather than build it up himself fromm scratch. Give this, it seems to me that:

1. He is going to come out with product as quickly as he realistically can - otherwise why pay Don for the property rights that enable him to enter the market on the run. Now there is probably a lot to do including working out distribution arrangements, a new manufacturer, a rigorous testing of the first products since it will be relatively a new arrangement, etc.

2. Product quality - he bought the customer base, trade name, etc that are associated with quality - if he wanted to go low quality he would be crazy to buy SHS.

3. Exact product - he will make some changes based on the different opportunities he has (market size - direct contacts with a larger distribution network, ownership of related items like DCS) so I would be surprised to see a replica of what SHS was doing and to that extent some will be disappointed because ANY change will be perceived as a bad change.

So basically, have faith, MTH is a successful company that was probably the only way to continue production, and I think they are smart enough not to pay top dollar for SHS if they were not going to continue along the path Don started.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Herbert" <hwass@...> wrote:
>
> They may have spent a year negotiating the deal. I doubt that Mike Wolf was sitting on his hands for a year.
> Herb Wasserman
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@> wrote:
> >
> > Don Thompson said that the deal with MTH had been in the works a year, but
> > that he could not mention anything publically about it until the big
> > simultaneous announcement whenever it was.
> >
> > So MTH has had a year or so to work out at least some of the details.
> >
> > I am looking forward with considerable anticipation to see what they come up
> > with, AND the price point.
> >
> > Roy Inman
> >
> > From: johntech <beebear@>
> > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:05:09 -0400
> > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH--not a bash
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm sure it takes time to setup the molds and figure out what products they
> > will be making.
> > It's not like they can put the molds in place and pick up where SHS left
> > off. I assume they
> > want to test the S "waters" to see what is wanted. If they are coming out
> > with new electronics
> > that all has to be tested too. As we have seen in the past posts about MTH's
> > past reputation,
> > I'm sure they want to enter the S market with their best foot forward.
> > So lets give them a change before we knock them down.
> >
> > John Frankforther
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Roy Inman
> > To: S-trains
> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH--not a bash
> >
> > MTH says that the S catalog will be out in the fall and dated 2013. But as
> > you point out, not everything that manufacturers catalog is on time, or
> > even
> > produced for that matter.
> >
> > Roy
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70196 From: ekaplan707 Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: New Lionel Erie Add-on Cars
Has anyone purchased the new vista dome or baggage cars? I was wondering if the new cars match the original set as far as the green color and other markings.

Thank you
Group: S-Trains Message: 70197 From: Brady Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--patience
MTH starts with tooling and a proven electronics suite. Lionel has those things, but they'll have to catch up with their track offerings as well as offering more scale/hi-rail equipment.

This is similar to what happened in O gauge in the 1990's, and the model railroader is better for it.

Let L & M try to out-do each other..


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 70198 From: Brady Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lamont Heppe <monteheppe@...> wrote:
>
> I refuse to look at yet another S group. It is just too time consuming.
>
> Monte Heppe
>


Switching from individual e-mails to daily digests may help


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 70199 From: john Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke output 21115 engine
Stumpy, I think you've got it right that the problem is that the can motor, being more efficient, is operating at lower voltage, and therefore causing less power to be delivered to the smoke unit. Absent some kind of mechanical problem, such as undersized wires or poor connections, separate leads to the smoke unit won't correct the problem...after all some original Gilbert wiring schemes ran the headlight and smoke unit leads from the motor brushes, and if it didn't cause a problem with those motors, it shouldn't cause a problem with can motors which draw WAY less current.
The way to fix the problem is either to alter the smoke unit to operate at lower voltage (See Doug Port's clinic on smoke units on his web site for instructions on how to do this), or wire the motor and smoke unit with separate leads, putting a resistor on one of the motor leads. The resistor will lower the voltage the motor is running on while the smoke unit receives full power...or just use Stumpy's very practical method of adding a load to the motor to require it to operate at a higher voltage for any given speed than when running light.
Another possibility is that the smoke unit is gunked up. Try giving it a shot of lighter fluid or a similar solvent and let it sit overnight and see if there is any improvement.
hope this helps
JBB

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> I have installed many of Steve's S-n-S Trains DC can motors in old locomotives. Often, because they draw less power to do the same amount of work as the old motors, they smoke a little less. This is because where you used to run, say, 15 volts to pull a certain length train at a certain speed, it now takes maybe 12 or 13. This lower voltage demand to move the train also means less voltage availible for headlight and smoke unit of course.
>
> Add a couple of cars to the train to gain load and therefore draw more power for the headlight and smoke unit to use.
>
> While I've not had this problem, some folks say that because the motor gets the power first, there is less "downstream" for the smoke and headlight. Adding two more wires from the tender truck posts to the smoke unit wires directly to bypass the motor will help.
>
> I use the "superflex" wire and sub miniature plugs for all wiring from the tender trucks to the engine. The original wire and plugs are often troublesome due to age, and I don't require original appearance.
>
> If you must have a back of cab board and plug system to keep the original appearance, try getting an original or repro board and plug for an engine that requires four or more wires. Most old Flyer fans won't notice the change because it looks right.
>
> I imagine you've already checked all connections for tightness and wheels and so on for dirt or light corrosion. Often old Flyer has more trouble with sitting dormant for long periods than picking up crud on the wheels from miles of operation.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70200 From: weidner@ameritech.net Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: MTH and S
I am excited that MTH is entering the S market. I had been asking them to consider making some S trains for several years and their reply was not at this time, well it must be the right time now. Lets hope for the best and give MTH a chance to get the ball rolling on the S gauge line up.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70201 From: Roy Inman Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--patience
Good point Brady.

That is exactly what happened. Better products with more features were
produced by MTH, Lionel played catch-up, there was the industrial espionage
caper, etc.

Roy



From: Brady <brady@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:57:51 +0000
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH--patience






MTH starts with tooling and a proven electronics suite. Lionel has those
things, but they'll have to catch up with their track offerings as well as
offering more scale/hi-rail equipment.

This is similar to what happened in O gauge in the 1990's, and the model
railroader is better for it.

Let L & M try to out-do each other..

Brady








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Group: S-Trains Message: 70202 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Lionel Erie Add-on Cars
Yes, I did, and yes, they do.  Pictures attached.  (Yahoo will strip them for the group, unfortunately.  Some day I'll get them on TheGilbertGallery.org)



________________________________
From: ekaplan707 <ekaplan@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 4:39 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] New Lionel Erie Add-on Cars


 
Has anyone purchased the new vista dome or baggage cars? I was wondering if the new cars match the original set as far as the green color and other markings.

Thank you




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70203 From: Brady Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: NASG Convention Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 70204 From: R G Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: New Lionel Erie Add-on Cars
I also purchased the SP and Erie cars and they match the originals perfectly.  They are a nice addition to the trains.



________________________________
From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "ekaplan@..." <ekaplan@...>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Lionel Erie Add-on Cars


 
Yes, I did, and yes, they do.  Pictures attached.  (Yahoo will strip them for the group, unfortunately.  Some day I'll get them on TheGilbertGallery.org)

________________________________
From: ekaplan707 <ekaplan@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 4:39 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] New Lionel Erie Add-on Cars


 
Has anyone purchased the new vista dome or baggage cars? I was wondering if the new cars match the original set as far as the green color and other markings.

Thank you

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70205 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Monte,

I belong to several groups - both model railroading and other interests. I don't get individual emails or the digest - whatever that is. I go directly to Yahoo, sign in, go to Groups and there is a list of all the groups that I use. I enter a given group and hit the Messages link. It takes me to a list of messages and the messages I have already read are highlighted. It's so simple and I can easily find where I left off reading. There is also a menu bar that takes me directly to photos, files, polls, etc. It is also super easy to search the messages archives. All your Groups in one easy to use location!

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lamont Heppe <monteheppe@...> wrote:
>
> I refuse to look at yet another S group. It is just too time consuming.
>
> Monte Heppe
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70206 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Smoke output 21115 engine
Another solution is to change the motor from the standard geared worm to
the 30:1 worm which requires more voltage to get the loco up to speed. That
supplies the additional voltage that the smoke unit may need.
I'd be happy to do that for you at no cost other than shipping.
Steve


In a message dated 8/13/2012 9:06:17 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
vytis1952@... writes:




Stumpy, I think you've got it right that the problem is that the can motor,
being more efficient, is operating at lower voltage, and therefore causing
less power to be delivered to the smoke unit. Absent some kind of
mechanical problem, such as undersized wires or poor connections, separate leads to
the smoke unit won't correct the problem...after all some original Gilbert
wiring schemes ran the headlight and smoke unit leads from the motor
brushes, and if it didn't cause a problem with those motors, it shouldn't cause
a problem with can motors which draw WAY less current.
The way to fix the problem is either to alter the smoke unit to operate at
lower voltage (See Doug Port's clinic on smoke units on his web site for
instructions on how to do this), or wire the motor and smoke unit with
separate leads, putting a resistor on one of the motor leads. The resistor will
lower the voltage the motor is running on while the smoke unit receives
full power...or just use Stumpy's very practical method of adding a load to
the motor to require it to operate at a higher voltage for any given speed
than when running light.
Another possibility is that the smoke unit is gunked up. Try giving it a
shot of lighter fluid or a similar solvent and let it sit overnight and see
if there is any improvement.
hope this helps
JBB

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
"mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> I have installed many of Steve's S-n-S Trains DC can motors in old
locomotives. Often, because they draw less power to do the same amount of work
as the old motors, they smoke a little less. This is because where you used
to run, say, 15 volts to pull a certain length train at a certain speed, it
now takes maybe 12 or 13. This lower voltage demand to move the train also
means less voltage availible for headlight and smoke unit of course.
>
> Add a couple of cars to the train to gain load and therefore draw more
power for the headlight and smoke unit to use.
>
> While I've not had this problem, some folks say that because the motor
gets the power first, there is less "downstream" for the smoke and
headlight. Adding two more wires from the tender truck posts to the smoke unit wires
directly to bypass the motor will help.
>
> I use the "superflex" wire and sub miniature plugs for all wiring from
the tender trucks to the engine. The original wire and plugs are often
troublesome due to age, and I don't require original appearance.
>
> If you must have a back of cab board and plug system to keep the
original appearance, try getting an original or repro board and plug for an engine
that requires four or more wires. Most old Flyer fans won't notice the
change because it looks right.
>
> I imagine you've already checked all connections for tightness and
wheels and so on for dirt or light corrosion. Often old Flyer has more trouble
with sitting dormant for long periods than picking up crud on the wheels
from miles of operation.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 70207 From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke output 21115 engine
If you have the multimeter you can put in a new smoke wick and reduce the
windings decrease the resistance, ie more smoke, same with lights put in a lower
voltage and can add third wire just for the light, portlines gives you the
resistance for normal engine so you have a starting number to go by.

Jim Davidson




________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, August 12, 2012 4:29:08 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Smoke output 21115 engine

 
I have installed many of Steve's S-n-S Trains DC can motors in old locomotives.
Often, because they draw less power to do the same amount of work as the old
motors, they smoke a little less. This is because where you used to run, say, 15
volts to pull a certain length train at a certain speed, it now takes maybe 12
or 13. This lower voltage demand to move the train also means less voltage
availible for headlight and smoke unit of course.

Add a couple of cars to the train to gain load and therefore draw more power for
the headlight and smoke unit to use.

While I've not had this problem, some folks say that because the motor gets the
power first, there is less "downstream" for the smoke and headlight. Adding two
more wires from the tender truck posts to the smoke unit wires directly to
bypass the motor will help.

I use the "superflex" wire and sub miniature plugs for all wiring from the
tender trucks to the engine. The original wire and plugs are often troublesome
due to age, and I don't require original appearance.

If you must have a back of cab board and plug system to keep the original
appearance, try getting an original or repro board and plug for an engine that
requires four or more wires. Most old Flyer fans won't notice the change because
it looks right.

I imagine you've already checked all connections for tightness and wheels and so
on for dirt or light corrosion. Often old Flyer has more trouble with sitting
dormant for long periods than picking up crud on the wheels from miles of
operation.
Stumpy in Ahia




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: S-Trains Message: 70208 From: Timboy Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
David,

I have every group I belong to bookmarked. Once or twice a day I go see what's going. on. If I got emails or digests from every one of them, I'd go nuts. Getting individual emails every time someone posts is the HARD way. Lol

OBTW, we finally settled on a name: Modern-Flyer.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Modern-Flyer/

Regards,
Tim

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Monte,
>
> I belong to several groups - both model railroading and other interests. I don't get individual emails or the digest - whatever that is. I go directly to Yahoo, sign in, go to Groups and there is a list of all the groups that I use. I enter a given group and hit the Messages link. It takes me to a list of messages and the messages I have already read are highlighted. It's so simple and I can easily find where I left off reading. There is also a menu bar that takes me directly to photos, files, polls, etc. It is also super easy to search the messages archives. All your Groups in one easy to use location!
>
> David
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lamont Heppe <monteheppe@> wrote:
> >
> > I refuse to look at yet another S group. It is just too time consuming.
> >
> > Monte Heppe
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70209 From: Lamont Heppe Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
I get daily summaries but I have better things to do than check even more groups.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70210 From: Timboy Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lamont Heppe <monteheppe@...> wrote:
>
> I get daily summaries but I have better things to do than check even more groups.
>
I agree. Daily summaries are a PITA, IMHO. But you don't need anyone's validation to find your own comfort level. That's a personal decision. :) :)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70211 From: frank emiro Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: NASG Convention Layout
Very nice !


Frank R. EMIRO


________________________________
From: Brady <brady@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:24 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] NASG Convention Layout



 

http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/8187868155210564

Brady




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70212 From: Bill Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Gargraves track
I still need two #6 right hand turnouts and one # 6 left hand turnout in the Gargraves line of track and in good condition please.Please reply offline.Thankyou, Bill Kleinert
Group: S-Trains Message: 70213 From: Roy Inman Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: NASG Convention Layout
Just excellent! Thanks for posting :)

Wonder what track system he used? Maybe hand layed?

Roy



From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:03:54 -0700 (PDT)
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NASG Convention Layout






Very nice !

Frank R. EMIRO


________________________________
From: Brady <brady@...
<mailto:brady%40americanflyerlines.net> >
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:24 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] NASG Convention Layout


 

http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/8187868155210564

Brady

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70214 From: polichar Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke output 21115 engine
Steve,

Do you ever sell worms and adapter plates without the motors? I have done several conversions with both your motors as well as Timkos with good success running things on DCC. I have a pretty extensive collection of high performance coreless and other can motors that I would like to use for conversion projects but my lathe is pretty small to cut worms accurately.
Thanks for any help you can offer.

Raulf Polichar
San Diego S Gaugers
polichar@...


----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:28 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke output 21115 engine



Another solution is to change the motor from the standard geared worm to
the 30:1 worm which requires more voltage to get the loco up to speed. That
supplies the additional voltage that the smoke unit may need.
I'd be happy to do that for you at no cost other than shipping.
Steve


In a message dated 8/13/2012 9:06:17 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
vytis1952@... writes:

Stumpy, I think you've got it right that the problem is that the can motor,
being more efficient, is operating at lower voltage, and therefore causing
less power to be delivered to the smoke unit. Absent some kind of
mechanical problem, such as undersized wires or poor connections, separate leads to
the smoke unit won't correct the problem...after all some original Gilbert
wiring schemes ran the headlight and smoke unit leads from the motor
brushes, and if it didn't cause a problem with those motors, it shouldn't cause
a problem with can motors which draw WAY less current.
The way to fix the problem is either to alter the smoke unit to operate at
lower voltage (See Doug Port's clinic on smoke units on his web site for
instructions on how to do this), or wire the motor and smoke unit with
separate leads, putting a resistor on one of the motor leads. The resistor will
lower the voltage the motor is running on while the smoke unit receives
full power...or just use Stumpy's very practical method of adding a load to
the motor to require it to operate at a higher voltage for any given speed
than when running light.
Another possibility is that the smoke unit is gunked up. Try giving it a
shot of lighter fluid or a similar solvent and let it sit overnight and see
if there is any improvement.
hope this helps
JBB

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
"mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> I have installed many of Steve's S-n-S Trains DC can motors in old
locomotives. Often, because they draw less power to do the same amount of work
as the old motors, they smoke a little less. This is because where you used
to run, say, 15 volts to pull a certain length train at a certain speed, it
now takes maybe 12 or 13. This lower voltage demand to move the train also
means less voltage availible for headlight and smoke unit of course.
>
> Add a couple of cars to the train to gain load and therefore draw more
power for the headlight and smoke unit to use.
>
> While I've not had this problem, some folks say that because the motor
gets the power first, there is less "downstream" for the smoke and
headlight. Adding two more wires from the tender truck posts to the smoke unit wires
directly to bypass the motor will help.
>
> I use the "superflex" wire and sub miniature plugs for all wiring from
the tender trucks to the engine. The original wire and plugs are often
troublesome due to age, and I don't require original appearance.
>
> If you must have a back of cab board and plug system to keep the
original appearance, try getting an original or repro board and plug for an engine
that requires four or more wires. Most old Flyer fans won't notice the
change because it looks right.
>
> I imagine you've already checked all connections for tightness and
wheels and so on for dirt or light corrosion. Often old Flyer has more trouble
with sitting dormant for long periods than picking up crud on the wheels
from miles of operation.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: S-Trains Message: 70215 From: John Degnan Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: FOR SALE : THREE SSA Hoppers
Groups,

I made a HUGE blunder at the convention and purchased three SSA 3-bay open hoppers that I THOUGHT were correct for the SOUTHERN railway... but... because I wasn't paying close enough attention, the ones I ended up with are not what I initially thought they were.

SO... you guessed it... I now have THREE SSA 3-bay open hoppers FOR SALE... at the GREAT price of only $30 each plus shipping ($7 each)... OR... $100 for all three and I cover shipping!

TWO of these hoppers have code 110 wheels and no couplers, the third has hi-rail wheels and AF couplers. All three appear to be in mint condition, and have different road numbers.

Click link below for a photo reference :

http://www.hoquathobbies.com/DPH/RS/S15131.jpg

Please contact me OFF LINE if you're interested.

Thanks.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...
Scaler187@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70216 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
On S-Trains, among other forums. This will happen, regardless. Commentary
on TMCC and DCC, as applied to new hi-rail S, have been posted here for
years and will continue to be. DCS will add to the mix nicely.

I have yet to see a compelling and logical case be made for another board
in addition to S-Trains for the old and new Flyer and modern hi-rail
segment. Many of us already combine all of them with CC in some form on one pike,
all of which has been discussed here for some time. The S Scale forum on
the OGR board is already well established, as well. How many more does one
require?

And, previous experience (16+ years in my case) strongly indicates that
unmoderated Internet train forums eventually degenerate into the equivalent of
Dodge City before the Earps arrived. Trust me on this. ;-)

Have fun.

Bob Bubeck



In a message dated 8/13/2012 12:34:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:


_Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary? _
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/70181;_ylc=X3oDMTJwNTRpamppBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdyc
ElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MDE4MQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZ
wRzdGltZQMxMzQ0ODMyNDM3)



Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
_"Brady" bradyburdge _
(mailto:brady@...?subject=Re:%20Is%20the%20SHS-Lionel-Flyer%20Forum%20really%20necessary?)

When MTH S hits the streets, in-depth discussions of DCS are sure to
follow. Where will those discussions take place?

Brady





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70217 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke output 21115 engine
I only have 30:1 worms on hand right now. Could sell a few at $20 each.
(worms and plates and mounting screws.)


In a message dated 8/13/2012 5:50:52 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
polichar@... writes:




Steve,

Do you ever sell worms and adapter plates without the motors? I have done
several conversions with both your motors as well as Timkos with good
success running things on DCC. I have a pretty extensive collection of high
performance coreless and other can motors that I would like to use for
conversion projects but my lathe is pretty small to cut worms accurately.
Thanks for any help you can offer.

Raulf Polichar
San Diego S Gaugers
_polichar@..._ (mailto:polichar@...)

----- Original Message -----
From: _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...)
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:28 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke output 21115 engine

Another solution is to change the motor from the standard geared worm to
the 30:1 worm which requires more voltage to get the loco up to speed.
That
supplies the additional voltage that the smoke unit may need.
I'd be happy to do that for you at no cost other than shipping.
Steve

In a message dated 8/13/2012 9:06:17 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
_vytis1952@..._ (mailto:vytis1952@...) writes:

Stumpy, I think you've got it right that the problem is that the can
motor,
being more efficient, is operating at lower voltage, and therefore causing
less power to be delivered to the smoke unit. Absent some kind of
mechanical problem, such as undersized wires or poor connections, separate
leads to
the smoke unit won't correct the problem...after all some original Gilbert
wiring schemes ran the headlight and smoke unit leads from the motor
brushes, and if it didn't cause a problem with those motors, it shouldn't
cause
a problem with can motors which draw WAY less current.
The way to fix the problem is either to alter the smoke unit to operate at
lower voltage (See Doug Port's clinic on smoke units on his web site for
instructions on how to do this), or wire the motor and smoke unit with
separate leads, putting a resistor on one of the motor leads. The resistor
will
lower the voltage the motor is running on while the smoke unit receives
full power...or just use Stumpy's very practical method of adding a load
to
the motor to require it to operate at a higher voltage for any given speed
than when running light.
Another possibility is that the smoke unit is gunked up. Try giving it a
shot of lighter fluid or a similar solvent and let it sit overnight and
see
if there is any improvement.
hope this helps
JBB

--- In __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _
(mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ,
"mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> I have installed many of Steve's S-n-S Trains DC can motors in old
locomotives. Often, because they draw less power to do the same amount of
work
as the old motors, they smoke a little less. This is because where you
used
to run, say, 15 volts to pull a certain length train at a certain speed,
it
now takes maybe 12 or 13. This lower voltage demand to move the train also

means less voltage availible for headlight and smoke unit of course.
>
> Add a couple of cars to the train to gain load and therefore draw more
power for the headlight and smoke unit to use.
>
> While I've not had this problem, some folks say that because the motor
gets the power first, there is less "downstream" for the smoke and
headlight. Adding two more wires from the tender truck posts to the smoke
unit wires
directly to bypass the motor will help.
>
> I use the "superflex" wire and sub miniature plugs for all wiring from
the tender trucks to the engine. The original wire and plugs are often
troublesome due to age, and I don't require original appearance.
>
> If you must have a back of cab board and plug system to keep the
original appearance, try getting an original or repro board and plug for
an engine
that requires four or more wires. Most old Flyer fans won't notice the
change because it looks right.
>
> I imagine you've already checked all connections for tightness and
wheels and so on for dirt or light corrosion. Often old Flyer has more
trouble
with sitting dormant for long periods than picking up crud on the wheels
from miles of operation.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70218 From: Jim Eberhardy Date: 8/13/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
Then don't, but please do it on your own you seems to be like a lot of
others complain complain complain, yet you seem to know there is another
Yahoo group.

If Tim wants to do 100 new groups it is up to him if you do not want to
bother then just don't.



Jim



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70219 From: JOHN Date: 8/14/2012
Subject: Moderated Forum??????
Moderator! Let's move on off the this "other" forum discussion. It is the same posts repeated over again by the same members.
I'd like to hear more about the NASG convention. Thank Alla for the pics they were great!
John
Group: S-Trains Message: 70220 From: rapidrail1 Date: 8/14/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
I don't understand the big deal about this. If one feels no need for a new group, don't join. It will be like magic, as if the group never existed in their world. How hard is that? Discussions like this are the reason I prefer other groups to S trains. I seldom if ever hear complaining like this on the other train groups.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Eberhardy" <nwoodsnut@...> wrote:
>
> Then don't, but please do it on your own you seems to be like a lot of
> others complain complain complain, yet you seem to know there is another
> Yahoo group.
>
> If Tim wants to do 100 new groups it is up to him if you do not want to
> bother then just don't.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70221 From: Alan Lambert Date: 8/14/2012
Subject: Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?
From: Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth, Texas

Wayne,
I agree with you. If you don't like the group don't join it. but you may miss out on some early updates that the other groups don't see to post. My 2 cents worth.
� Alan


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From: rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:56 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Is the SHS-Lionel-Flyer Forum really necessary?



 

I don't understand the big deal about this. If one feels no need for a new group, don't join. It will be like magic, as if the group never existed in their world. How hard is that? Discussions like this are the reason I prefer other groups to S trains. I seldom if ever hear complaining like this on the other train groups.

Wayne

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Jim Eberhardy" <nwoodsnut@...> wrote:
>
> Then don't, but please do it on your own you seems to be like a lot of
> others complain complain complain, yet you seem to know there is another
> Yahoo group.
>
> If Tim wants to do 100 new groups it is up to him if you do not want to
> bother then just don't.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70222 From: Bob Chaparro Date: 8/14/2012
Subject: S Scale Layout On So. Calif. Layout Tour (Sept. 9)
Bruce Smale's Unnamed Railroad will be featured on a Southern
California layout tour on Sunday, September 9. The Unnamed Railroad is
an S gauge layout intended for fun. As Bruce says, "The trains that
run on this No Name line seem to enjoy the trip because they come back
often".

In 1998 Bruce added a 13 x 22 foot train room. The original part of the
layout was built low to the floor to accommodate young grandchildren.
On the back wall is an 18 x 3 foot section with three tracks that run
underground on one end. On the other end one track runs under and one
up over and around. All these tracks head out to a walk- around 6 x 14
foot. island. The tracks runs around a mountain (Mount Smale, named for
the owner), along a lake and river. One siding has the circus train just
waiting to unload. On the long section along the back wall is a steam
generator plant with an Sn3 track that brings coal to run the steam
plant.

Other railroads share the room. Overhead are two G, two O, and two more
S gauge lines to add to the fun. Bruce says, "There is still a lot
of work to do but isn't that what we do?".

Here is information on the whole layout tour:

Model Railroads Of Southern California's thirty-fifth layout tour
takes place Sunday (Not the usual Saturday), September 9. This will be a
self-guided tour of ten layouts at ten locations in an area running just
south of Santa Barbara down through Ventura County and into northwest
Los Angeles County. Four layouts are appearing for the first time on
our tour program: Richard Conner's HO scale Boston & Maine, James
Donlon's HO scale SP Coastline, Tom Fratello's HO scale Siskiyou
Line and Bruce Smale's S scale layout.

Altogether there will be eight HO scale layouts, one large scale layouts
and one S scale layout.

This is a free event and you may bring relatives and friends. Here are
the layouts and schedules:

Richard Conner (HO)

9:00 to 1:00

664 Coldbrook Place

Simi Valley

Al Daumann (HO)

11:00 to 4:00

443 Valley Gate Road

Simi Valley

James Donlon (HO)

1:00 to 5:00

244 Grandview Circle

Camarillo

Tom Fratello (HO)

12:00 to 4:00

9043 Neath Street

Ventura

Gold Coast RR Club (HO)

8:00 to 5:00

Murphy Auto Museum

2230 Statham Blvd

Oxnard

Bruce Morden (HO)

11:00 to 5:00

3218 Serena Avenue

Carpinteria

Gary Raymond (1/32)

10:00 to 5:00

2406 Sirius Street

Thousand Oaks

Santa Susana RR Hist. Soc. (HO)

10:00 to 4:00

6503 Katherine Road

Simi Valley

Bruce Smale (S)

9:00 to 3:00

9365 Halifax Street

Ventura

Dan Wexler ( HO)

1:00 to 5:00

16407 Hamlin Street

Van Nuys

If you would like descriptions of these layouts and an area map with the
locations of the layouts, e-mail me OFF LIST at: chiefbobbb@...
<mailto:chiefbobbb@...>

Persons taking this tour assume all risks and liability for their
personal safety. Although I am the Moderator of Model Railroads Of
Southern California, I am not responsible for personal loss or injury to
those taking this tour.

Be sure to check the group website the day before the tour to see if any
changes to the schedule or layout lineup have occurred.

If you cannot make this tour, more tours are scheduled including a tour
in the San Luis Obispo County and Santa Maria area this fall as part of
the Central Coast Railway Festival. A Kern County tour is schedule for
March 2013 as are tours that year in conjunction with the National
Narrow Gauge Convention in August, and the Banning Train Festival and
Central Coast Railroad Festival, both in October. A tour in the South
Bay-Long Beach area may be scheduled for the spring of 2013.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Model Railroads Of Southern California

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/>

P.S.: If you would like to show your layout please contact me OFF LIST.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70223 From: Bob Moyer Date: 8/14/2012
Subject: Thanks and thoughts
To All:

I just wanted to thank everyone who responded to my post regarding a tender
weight for a tender with reverse in it. I got one from Steve in Boise. I
collect, play, fix AF trains for fun. It's a nice change from fixing
computers for almost 40 years. I started with punch cards. Remember them?
Now I hardly turn a screwdriver or change a printed circuit board. It's all
about integrating one box to talk to another box etc. etc. The amount of
data storage now is incredible. It's nice to go back to the trains and work
with motors, solenoids, and relays. Do we still have people out there that
can make a pick and hold circuit? Something tells me in this group we do.
My wife and I will be married 34 years this Sunday and I had a funny
thought, well mybe funny to us. My wife comes from the Imelda Marcos school
of shoe collecting and I always told her to not bother me about how many
trains I have just as long as it was less than the amount of shoes she
owns. Well truth be told, I'm above her high number and still acquiring
more. She's dropping her pairs. As she ages gracefully I might add, those
high heels ain't working as well as they used to! Oh well my trains never
hurt my feet.

Regards

Bob Moyer


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70224 From: Rich Date: 8/14/2012
Subject: S Gauge in Dayton?
Hi folks -- I am currently in Dayton, Ohio for a few days and wonder if there is/are Flyer/S gauge dealers in this area?

thanks,
Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 70225 From: EDWARD Date: 8/15/2012
Subject: Detailed Structures
This was sent to the moderators. I am posting this to our list.
Ed Eckert
moderator


Dear S Trains,



I have released my first of many American Flyer S scale structures from the golden age of railroads. I think that many American Flyer fans would be interested in highly detailed structures like what I am building and releasing. http://www.bronsonengineeringcompany.com/page14.html



The Frame Row House at this link is my first release and has a handy Pay Pal feature for ordering my printed material. Each structure comes with a highly detailed and photograph illustrated building manual as well as the 3/16" to the foot detail drawings. These are not kits but all of the building material & glues are available at hobby stores. The detail sheets are laminated to 1/32" balsa sheets which are spliced to yield up three 8-1/2" x 11" substrate for the models. On larger structures such as churches I ship 8-1/2" x 15" printed detail sheets.



The nicest thing about this kind of building compared to expensive kits is that a person can make more copies of their detail sheets (should they mess up their first attempt) and start over. Kit bashers will easily come up with good results with the components of any of my designs.



Cheers-Bill Bronson



PS-My next planned release for purchase will be a two story stone "pocket mansion", which I call Czech Stone House. It includes a matching stone carriage house for the rear and my usual optional privacy fences. This house also has an Ash Pit and Coal bin for behind the carriage house. All buildings light up from within including storefronts and other structures. Houses have window shades & curtains as well as porch lights, all with translucent areas to light up nicely.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70226 From: Timboy Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Display Layouts
Hi...

I am going to tear down the large vintage Flyer layout I built 1.5 years ago. Here it is:

http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/

I need to re-purpose some space in my large train room for another interest of mine. But I will still have plenty of space left for a good-sized vintage Flyer layout. I am thinking of building some version of a department store display layout or a mini-Gilbert Hall of Science layout. However, I have never been a fan of independent loops that do not inter-connect. Can anyone point to or suggest a suitable classic display layout or track plan for one in the size of at least 6X14? It will start out as vintage, but I may go modern in some form for the motive power and rolling stock at a later date. My initial thoughts are to slightly expand the dimensions of the Sibley Department Store Layout so I can connect all the loops.

Thanks...
Group: S-Trains Message: 70227 From: R G Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Re: Display Layouts
I have really enjoyed your various posts concerning the construction of your vintage American Flyer train layout over the last couple of years. I agree with you that separate independent loops do not make a good layout.

One option I have been pondering  is to have different kinds of layouts stack vertically about 15" to 18" apart.  That way I can have my 50's Flyer layout, and above or below a hi-rail layout. of course I would have to work in a spiral or way to have trains travel between them.

The Sibley store layout is quite impressive and with a little expansion the three loops could be linked together.  Good luck on your nextproject and keep us posted on your progress!



________________________________
From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:40 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Display Layouts


 
Hi...

I am going to tear down the large vintage Flyer layout I built 1.5 years ago. Here it is:

http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/

I need to re-purpose some space in my large train room for another interest of mine. But I will still have plenty of space left for a good-sized vintage Flyer layout. I am thinking of building some version of a department store display layout or a mini-Gilbert Hall of Science layout. However, I have never been a fan of independent loops that do not inter-connect. Can anyone point to or suggest a suitable classic display layout or track plan for one in the size of at least 6X14? It will start out as vintage, but I may go modern in some form for the motive power and rolling stock at a later date. My initial thoughts are to slightly expand the dimensions of the Sibley Department Store Layout so I can connect all the loops.

Thanks...




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70228 From: Brady Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Re: Display Layouts
Timboy,

Have you thought about taking out part of the center and bringing the two ends closer together?


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 70229 From: Timboy Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Re: Display Layouts
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote:
>
> Timboy,
>
> Have you thought about taking out part of the center and bringing the two ends closer together?
>
>
> Brady
>


Thanks guys!

Brady, yes I have thought about that. It would disconnect the upper and lower loops. Sometimes it's just better to tear it all down and rebuild. Belief it or not, I actually want a smaller layout that is a lot more practical for one guy to operate.

I'll open up a new blog when the time comes to re-build.

Thanks...
Group: S-Trains Message: 70230 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Re: Display Layouts
Tim,

Sorry to hear about the tear down after such a short time. Thankfully,
the layout can still live on in its photos and videos.

The bright spot is the new layout you can now build. Having put a bit
of study into these layouts as part of the American Flyer Displays
website, I would recommend using the FAO Schwarz layout design. It is
a slightly expanded version of the Sibley layout, which I believe was
also used on the Jordan Marsh layout. It dates to 1949 so it probably
is the original design that was compressed somewhat for the Sibley
Layout. You can tell the difference by looking at the tunnels at the
far end. On the Sibley Layout, the center track exits the tunnel at
about a 2 inch elevation, which was made necessary by the shortening of
the layout. Also, the straight section approaching the bridge on the
over under figure 8 is only about 3 track sections as opposed to 5 track
sections on the FAO Schwarz/Jordan Marsh layout. You can see all of
this on the website, www.americanflyerdisplays.org .

The Sibley Layout is 7 by 16 feet. I estimate that the FAO Schwarz
Layout was about 20 feet long and possibly 8 feet wide. As to the
connection of the loops, take a look at the original Billi Bowen plan
that was the inspiration for the layout and you will interconnections
between the loops. I think they started to build the Billi Bowen plan
but realized that it simply wouldn't fit in the space they wanted to
allocate, so they modified it. I don't think the loop connections were
the critical factor, but the much wider radii on the original plan.
Even if you can't do the full 20 feet, the Sibley plan loops could still
be interconnected.

You might want to take a look at the following for an example of an
expanded Sibley plan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuC3Bzcd1bQ

Good Luck with your new project. I would love to see a layout like this
reconstructed.

Dale

On 8/16/2012 7:40 AM, Timboy wrote:
>
> Hi...
>
> I am going to tear down the large vintage Flyer layout I built 1.5
> years ago. Here it is:
>
> http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/
>
> I need to re-purpose some space in my large train room for another
> interest of mine. But I will still have plenty of space left for a
> good-sized vintage Flyer layout. I am thinking of building some
> version of a department store display layout or a mini-Gilbert Hall of
> Science layout. However, I have never been a fan of independent loops
> that do not inter-connect. Can anyone point to or suggest a suitable
> classic display layout or track plan for one in the size of at least
> 6X14? It will start out as vintage, but I may go modern in some form
> for the motive power and rolling stock at a later date. My initial
> thoughts are to slightly expand the dimensions of the Sibley
> Department Store Layout so I can connect all the loops.
>
> Thanks...
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70231 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Re: Display Layouts
Hello Friends,

This discussion of a new more compact layout to be constructed by "Timboy" has reminded me of a relatively compact display layout that I have enjoyed very much when seeing it and have considered building a version of myself for home, although I, too, will be interested to see what Timboy comes up with.

Don't flame me, but the other layout I have admired is actually the three-rail island-type, tabletop layout the MTH uses to display their O and Standard gauge trains at various shows and conventions. I am primarily a collector of AF S gauge, and have a sectional display layout that I take to train shows and display at the Oregon State Capitol at Christmas, but I own some classic Lionel O gauge as well as some AF O and 3/16ths O gauge that I would like to run on a home S gauge pike.

The MTH display runs Standard Gauge on the outside and O gauge in the interior, yet it is quite nicely sceniced and has near high-rail detail. Since my space at home is limited, I think this might be the basis of an O/S layout for me. Of course the outer loop is not connected to the inner loop in this display.

I have a few pictures that I have taken, and here are a couple that I found on the internet, but does anyone have more information of this MTH display?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22338037@N04/5178983642/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22338037@N04/6347126539/

I would like to see a track plan. Since MTH is getting into S gauge, perhaps they will come up with a three gauge display layout. Or just a really nice S gauge one!

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70232 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Re: Display Layouts
Tim...Been there, done that, several times. The layout you have shown us in photos, videos, and writings on your website was really neat. However, times and need change and so do layouts.
I'm sure you'll enjoy the new project and please keep us updated on this one the way you did the last one. That way we can enjoy it too!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70233 From: Monte Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Chattanooga convention cars
Convention cars are available. Go to the NASG web site and fill out a car order form and send it ti Dave Blum.

The forms are still available on the past conventions section.

Be sure to specify hirail or scale wheel sets. Orders will be filled in the order received

Monte Heppe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70234 From: Donald Keil Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Re: Display Layouts
Tim
Have not said to much on this site but I for one want to thank you for all the information that you provided about you layout construction. Please kept up the information because it sure helps in the construction of our own, and in my case the construction of a club layout here in West Mich
Don

________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:08 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Display Layouts


 
Tim...Been there, done that, several times. The layout you have shown us in photos, videos, and writings on your website was really neat. However, times and need change and so do layouts.
I'm sure you'll enjoy the new project and please keep us updated on this one the way you did the last one. That way we can enjoy it too!
Stumpy in Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70235 From: Bob Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Advertisement: New Products Available From RLN Publishing
Good afternoon. I am pleased to announce several new products from the publisher of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine.

Two new e-Feature articles have been added to the line-up: "Updating the Fleet for a More Modern Era" (Item E-5 $1.99) and "Bridging the Local Creek:Two Wooden Trestles" (Item E-6 $2.49).

These are printer-friendly (8 1/2 x 11-inch pages) PDFs of articles that were published in past print editions of the magazine. Synopses and ordering info at www.1-64ModelingGuide.com (click on the e-Feature Articles button on the home page).

Also new: Volume 10, Issue 1 (Fall, 2008) has been re-released electronically. This is a printer-friendly (again, 8 1/2 x 11-inch pages) simple PDF (no interactivity) and features additional color photos not available in the print edition. Price is $4.95 per copy, also available at www.1-64ModelingGuide.com (click on the Back Issues button on the home page).

Volume 10, Issue 2 (Winter, 2009) wil be re-released digitally later this year, with other issues to follow.

The Summer, 2012 issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide has been delayed due to family issues, but should be out in a couple of weeks. Please, if you've received a subscription renewal notice send in your payment. If you renew after your subscription has expired, your subscription will resume with the Summer, 2012 issue (you'll have to purchase any issues you missed.)

Finally, please let me know if your contact information has changed. I'm still missing e-mail addresses for a number of subscribers. I also have a number of e-mail addresses that are no longer valid.

Bob Nalbone
RLN Publishing
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
www.1-64ModelingGuide.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 70236 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 8/16/2012
Subject: Re: Chattanooga convention cars
I could not find the order form.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: monteheppe@...
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:52:50 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Chattanooga convention cars


























Convention cars are available. Go to the NASG web site and fill out a car order form and send it ti Dave Blum.



The forms are still available on the past conventions section.



Be sure to specify hirail or scale wheel sets. Orders will be filled in the order received



Monte Heppe


















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Group: S-Trains Message: 70237 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 8/17/2012
Subject: Re: Chattanooga convention cars
I know Monte already described it, and, yes, the form is still
available. Here is the direct link:

http://www.nasg.org/Convention/CarOrderForm.htm

- Peter.


On 08/16/2012 9:12 pm, Sam & Peggy Pellegrino wrote:
> I could not find the order form.
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> From: monteheppe@...
> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:52:50 +0000
> Subject: [S-Trains] Chattanooga convention cars
>
>

--

Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed
<http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/>
Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/>
N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/>
--


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70238 From: David Date: 8/17/2012
Subject: KC Conversion Fitting For Pike Master Trucks (Advertisement)
We will be offering a new fitting for the pike master trucks that will
allow the user to repair/convert their pike master trucks to an
operating knuckle coupler. The much malined pike master truck has a
really nasty coupling system but the truck it's self is a GREAT LOOKING
TRUCK with exceptional rolling ability. We were approached a few years
back to come up with a permanent conversion for these trucks and now we
will have it, with any luck, by the first of September 2012.

Thank you all for your continuing support.

LBR





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70239 From: John Davis Date: 8/17/2012
Subject: Fw: Display Layouts/ Reply to Tim
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: John Davis <wyoaf@...>
To: "timstrains2000@..." <timstrains2000@...>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: Display Layouts


http://www.cke1st.com/m_train2.htm

Tim:  The link above is to Mike's Small Track Plans, and I am building the 1st one ("his best") on a 6 x 10 table in the loft of our vacation home.  I can't go any bigger because of the slope of the ceiling, but it allows 3 train operation, is all connected by switches, and allows bridges, trestles, etc to wow the viewer with elevation but not to cause you to hold your breath on each "lap" of operation.  Best to me is that there is room to showcase nearly all A.C. Gilbert operating accessories, and they are near enough to the viewer to marvel at them and allow balky cows, oil drums, logs, packages etc to be assisted by the omnipotent "hand in the sky".

If you are interested, I can scan and email some photos of it to you.  Take your time.  The late John Allen said that "Planning a layout is a hobby in itself" and I have come to believe it.  All the best.  John Davis  Noblesville IN

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70240 From: Mellon, Jay Date: 8/17/2012
Subject: 2012 NASG Convention Report
All,

Here is my report on the NASG convention held in Chattanooga, TN on 8/8 through 8/11. The usual caveats apply. This report details my experiences and is not intended to be all inclusive for the entire convention.

Vendors/Exhibitors
Altoona Model Works - Bob Spaulding has recently thrown his hat into the S ring. He produces a line of craftsman structure kits. I picked up his engine house and depot kits. These are nice kits with clear instructions.
American Models - They presented a nice selection of some of their latest releases. AM also produced the convention car that was actually present for pickup in the vendor hall.
DesPlaines Hobbies - Ron Sebastian was there with a great deal on S Microscale decals ($0.99 each). I succumbed to several sets. Work on the SD45 model is progressing with drive train production details being resolved.
Great Decals - Bill Mosteller had S scale coupler gauges (resin) and S decals (mostly Southeastern roads).
Hoquat Hobbies - Jeff Wilson had his usual good selection of S equipment which also included a set of AM PAs that I have been searching for about 20 years. They now have a new home.
Iron Rail Models - These are the folks who acquired Downs Models and are actively producing modern tank car models. I have obtained a number of them in the past year and picked up a new one at this convention. Very nice models.
Michigan Models - Tom Hawley had a special IRM tank car that I picked up. Tom relayed that he intends to curtail his long distance trips and stick closer to home in the future.
M.L.W. Services - Andy Mallette was promoting his CN reefer kit. There were some delays to correct details on this kit. Kit production should begin later this coming Fall.
NASG Clearing House - Roy Meissner was present with his usual collection of gauges, hats, shirts, etc., plus his custom truck (vehicle) kits.
Pikesville Models - Dave Blum had a very large selection of AF items present. He is also developing a coil steel cover model that the scale folks should be interested in.
Pine Canyon Models - They have been busy bringing older kits back into the inventory, as well as developing new kits. These kits are very nice.
Port Lines Hobbies - Doug Peck did not have his usual display of S goodies, but, instead, brought a large selection of S items obtained from estate acquisitions.
River Raisin Models - Dan Navarre was taking deposits on orders for his SP 0-6-0 and C&O Heavy Pacific projects. He also displayed a nice selection of currently available models (love those SP beauts!).
S Helper Service - Don, Robin, and Mike were there, selling off inventory, following the company sale to MTH. If you need additional parts for SHS models, better act now "while the gettin' is good." It was sad to think that this may be the last time we see SHS at a convention.
The Railroad Crossing - Richard Krieg offers a service for custom-built structures, as well as his own line. I picked up a small depot model.
The Supply Car - I finally caved and ordered one of the Bob McCarthy custom passenger car kits (MoPac "Eagle Height"), having been inspired by Bob Hogan's clinic presentation.
S Scale Loco and Supply - After a LONG absence from the convention scene, Fred Rouse appeared with a whole bunch of S parts (drivers, etc.). His focus currently is to get a complete line back into inventory (see his website for a list).
Union Station Products - Mark Meeks is the fellow producing the car sides for these Supply Car custom passenger car kits. Be nice to him.

Lionel and MTH did not have representatives there, but MTH did have an introductory brochure available for their S line (www.mthsgaugetrains.com<http://www.mthsgaugetrains.com>). There were also several vendors present selling AF equipment, in addition to Dave Blum.

Welcome Reception - This was a relaxing affair that included a barbeque chicken dinner, allowing attendees the opportunity to catch up with old friends and meet some new ones. It was good to catch up with Tom Robinson, who I had not seen in several years.

Convention Layouts - Some Southeastern clubs (Atlanta, NC?) combined efforts to produce a room-filling layout that featured an amazing array of AF accessories and train activity. Plus, it was situated adjacent to the hotel bar, so we could view trains and "wet our whistle" simultaneously. I got a good view of the new Lionel U33c models, as well. Our club (Crescent City S Gaugers) brought our display layout to this convention (set up in vendor hall). We hope everyone who visited the vendor hall had a chance to enjoy it. We were happy to contribute to the convention by providing some S entertainment. The NASG switching layout was also in the vendor hall.

Tours - The rail tour that we took (Copperhill, GA) was substituted for the planned Chickamauga event, due to some rail maintenance issues. The ride was very scenic through heavily forested terrain, complete with its own "loop" to gain elevation in a short distance. Norman Maunz and I had an informative discussion with some folks from the Northern Ohio S Scalers during the trip. Plus, we got to experience a serious "gulley washer" during the return rail trip.

The layout tour took in the HO layout of James Bailiff, the S standard/Sn3 layout of David Wheat, and the S scale layout of Jerry Holmes. D. Wheat's layout is a work in progress, but included some nice modeling in the narrow gauge scenes. Jerry's layout models the C&O with some excellent scenes that included serious coal trains using Berkshire head-end power. A very nice layout. In addition, Jerry's view of Chattanooga out his back patio area is simply "breath-taking". A hearty thanks to all of our hosts, allowing us to visit their layouts.

Clinics - There were several that I was interested in attending, but only made it to one...Bob Hogan's presentation on The Supply Car custom passenger car kits. Bob's presentation was well done and thorough. Plus, following the clinic, we got to view Earl Henry's custom SR passenger cars (from these kits) up close. Very nice! I am interested in modeling a MoPac stream-lined train. So, I "bit the bullet" and ordered one of these kits to give it a try.

Other 'Stuff" - I was late to the General Business Meeting, as we were packing our club layout, following the closing of the vendor hall. Apparently, there was much discussion regarding the cessation of publishing the annual membership issue of Dispatch. I do find them to be a valuable resource, even if they are not current. I would be in favor of publishing a special "layout issue" in lieu of the membership issue. Also, NASG elections are coming up this Fall...a plea was made for officer nominations.

I had the pleasure of meeting John Degnan of Sergent coupler fame in the vendor hall. He provided an up-close comparison of the Sergent coupler with the Kadee 802 coupler used by many S scalers. Then, he was off to Knoxville to discuss the production efforts of the "new and improved" coupler with Frank Sergent himself.

As has become their custom and our benefit, we were serenaded by Andy Mallette and Dave Heine during the pre-banquet "happy hour." Food and company during the banquet were excellent, and made some new friends (Hello Charlie!). I never did get to see the contest models. Apparently, there was a considerable greater submission of model entries at this convention, as opposed to last year's joint NMRA/NASG event. Hopefully, pictures of the contest winners will appear in the Dispatch. And, as usual, the antics of auctioneer Jamie Bothwell were very entertaining. Not to be disappointed, Jamie provided a new batch of "S scale zombies" for some lucky winners. And, my donation of a collection of "whacked" SHS hirail couplers brought a whopping $0.10 into the NASG treasury. Hey, just doin' my part. :)

Post-Convention Layout Tour - Pete Silcox and Bob Hogan graciously opened their layouts for visitation on the Sunday following the convention. Pete's layout is a work in progress, but includes some neat scenes such as the rock/gravel quarry and Stone Mountain backdrop. I have seen a number of pictures taken of Bob Hogan's layout, as well as Earl Henry's description on the S list. They are accurate, but I was still amazed when I actually saw it. Simply stupendous modeling. Although I might be a bit prejudiced as a SP fan myself, I think it is the nicest layout I have ever seen. If you have the opportunity to see it, don't pass it up. And, he has a whole wall full of those custom-built passenger cars. Bob is a humble guy, but when it comes to modeling stream-lined passenger cars, I would pay strict attention to his advice.

Next Convention - It was announced that the 2013 NASG convention will take place in Scranton, PA ("Steam Town"). Rumor has it that there will be a special event there...the "Tour de Jamie" bike race. So, for all you Lance Armstrong wannabes, the time to start training is NOW. I had a great time at this convention. Isn't that what it's all about? We need to profusely thank Dave Blum, Jerry Holmes and all the others who helped put this convention together. Until next year.

Jay Mellon
New Orleans, LA






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Group: S-Trains Message: 70241 From: Timboy Date: 8/17/2012
Subject: Re: Fw: Display Layouts/ Reply to Tim
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John Davis <wyoaf@...> wrote:
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> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: John Davis <wyoaf@...>
> To: "timstrains2000@..." <timstrains2000@...>
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Display Layouts
>
>
> http://www.cke1st.com/m_train2.htm
>
> Tim:  The link above is to Mike's Small Track Plans, and I am building the 1st one ("his best") on a 6 x 10 table in the loft of our vacation home.  I can't go any bigger because of the slope of the ceiling, but it allows 3 train operation, is all connected by switches, and allows bridges, trestles, etc to wow the viewer with elevation but not to cause you to hold your breath on each "lap" of operation.  Best to me is that there is room to showcase nearly all A.C. Gilbert operating accessories, and they are near enough to the viewer to marvel at them and allow balky cows, oil drums, logs, packages etc to be assisted by the omnipotent "hand in the sky".
>
> If you are interested, I can scan and email some photos of it to you.  Take your time.  The late John Allen said that "Planning a layout is a hobby in itself" and I have come to believe it.  All the best.  John Davis  Noblesville IN
>
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Thanks everyone!

In the last couple days, I've looked at some terrific track plans and display layouts. I can't think of any better homage to vintage Flyer trains than to run them on a recreation of a classic display layout. And the one that stands out to me as the most doable is the Sibley Department Store layout. The only variation I am contemplating is to hand-lay vintage rails on ties the size of Pikemaster. I've done that before and if great care is taken and the track is ballasted well, it looks very nice. So I may head that direction. At any rate, the old layout must first be carefully deconstructed. I should be starting soon. I'll open up a new blog and let everyone know how it's going. I'll still keep the old blog up for anyone to peruse.

Thanks again,
Tim
Group: S-Trains Message: 70242 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/17/2012
Subject: Re: Fw: Display Layouts/ Reply to Tim
Looks like a nice plan

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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From: John Davis <wyoaf@...>
Sent: Fri Aug 17 10:28:48 CDT 2012
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Display Layouts/ Reply to Tim






----- Forwarded Message -----
From: John Davis <wyoaf@...>
To: "timstrains2000@..." <timstrains2000@...>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: Display Layouts


http://www.cke1st.com/m_train2.htm

Tim: The link above is to Mike's Small Track Plans, and I am building the 1st one ("his best") on a 6 x 10 table in the loft of our vacation home. I can't go any bigger because of the slope of the ceiling, but it allows 3 train operation, is all connected by switches, and allows bridges, trestles, etc to wow the viewer with elevation but not to cause you to hold your breath on each "lap" of operation. Best to me is that there is room to showcase nearly all A.C. Gilbert operating accessories, and they are near enough to the viewer to marvel at them and allow balky cows, oil drums, logs, packages etc to be assisted by the omnipotent "hand in the sky".

If you are interested, I can scan and email some photos of it to you. Take your time. The late John Allen said that "Planning a layout is a hobby in itself" and I have come to believe it. All the best. John Davis Noblesville IN

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70243 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 8/17/2012
Subject: Many Updates to the NASG Web Site
Good Evening Everyone,

I have just updated the NASG web site with much new content. Thanks to
the many individuals who have contributed text, photos, and information,
I was able to completely revise and update the 2012 NASG Convention
Highlights page. It has lots of new photos added tonight.

http://www.nasg.org/Convention/Highlights.htm

This week there has also been a lot of activity with regard to new and
potential new products in "S". If you haven't visited the News page in a
while, you'll be pleasantly surprised to find out just how active our
community is!

http://www.nasg.org/News/index.htm

I have also made updates to the upcoming Events page of the site. Note
the new location of the CJSS Fall "S" Get Together next month. I also
added the "S Fest West" for May of next year, including the fest's car
info and car order form.

http://www.nasg.org/Events/index.htm

(if you don't see the latest info on the pages, please press F5 or
Refresh in your web browser; it may have cached the old info - I'll fix
this issue soon).

Have a great weekend,
- Peter.
(NASG webmaster)

--

Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed
<http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/>
Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/>
N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/>
--


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70244 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 8/17/2012
Subject: Re: Chattanooga convention cars
Thank you for the link.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: groups@...
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:48:08 -0500
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chattanooga convention cars


























I know Monte already described it, and, yes, the form is still

available. Here is the direct link:



http://www.nasg.org/Convention/CarOrderForm.htm



- Peter.



On 08/16/2012 9:12 pm, Sam & Peggy Pellegrino wrote:

> I could not find the order form.

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> From: monteheppe@...

> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:52:50 +0000

> Subject: [S-Trains] Chattanooga convention cars

>

>



--



Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)

Houston, Texas



My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed

<http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)

Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/>

Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/>

N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70245 From: Don Thompson Date: 8/18/2012
Subject: Re: Central Jersey S Scaler's 31st Fall Get Together
Webmaster Bill Clark has posted the invitation for the Central Jersey S Scaler's 31st Fall Get Together held on September 29th & 30th. Please note the change in location. Due to the church hall being leased, we had to change the venue to the SHS/Hoquat Hobbies warehouses. You can find the invite at:

http://www.stacktalk.com/Shows/31th%20FGT%2015AUG12%20v%201.21BL.PDF

I hope to see you there...
Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 70246 From: wb4hay Date: 8/18/2012
Subject: Chain Link Fence
Has anyone come up with an alternate (read cheap) substitute material for a chain link fence?? 3000 scale feet was too much to invest in stock items.

Kelly
Group: S-Trains Message: 70247 From: Jerry Date: 8/18/2012
Subject: Re: Chain Link Fence
Kelly,

Check out a fabric called "tule" or "toule". I found it at a wedding
reception wrapped around table treats. It's a fine mesh of squares that
measure perfectly sized for fencing in S. You might find it at a fabric
shop. A yard of it will last you a LONG time.

Jerry
Scrounging in Wayne, MI


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wb4hay" <wb4hay@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone come up with an alternate (read cheap) substitute material
for a chain link fence?? 3000 scale feet was too much to invest in stock
items.
>
> Kelly
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70248 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 8/18/2012
Subject: Re: Chain Link Fence
Kelly,

For chain link fencing I use mosquito screen fabric from Walmart. I used this around my oil depot. This fabric is woven in a running bond, not the typical 45 degree pattern. I used this type mesh because I wanted a more industrial look. If you want a regular "chain link" fence then you could use the diamond pattern mesh. The running bond mesh I used makes the pattern difficult to cut. If you get too close to a cross in the pattern, the fabric will fray and unravel. I was unable to find a product that would prevent the fraying.

The fence sections are 1.5 inches high (8 feet scale) by anywhere from 6 inches to 14 inches long. The posts are somewhat longer to fit into holes drilled in the base. The posts are located 1.5 inches apart (8 feet scale). The fabric pieces are 1.5 inches by the required running length. Even cutting them out very slowly and carefully, I averaged one good section for every four I started.

The fence posts and rails are 0.035 inch styrene rod. They were assembled using Testors Liquid Cement. I assembled the rails and poles for a given section of fencing on a flat surface for better alignment, then spray painted the assembly. I laid a piece of plastic cove molding to serve as a berm and mounted the fence along the centerline of the berm by drilling holes into the molding. I then just slipped the completed post and rail sections into the holes and glued them in while maintaining a 1.5 inch height on the rails.

I then attached the fence fabric one section at a time by taking some of the fabric "threads" and tying the fence fabric to the posts and rails. If you take a look at real chain link fence you can see how it is done. This is tedious work and you must be extremely careful not to catch any of the cut ends of the fence fabric or it will unravel and you are back to square one.

The last step was to glue the ballast stone to the berm. The ballast stone was used to help keep the posts and the fencing in a nice, straight line.

Just like real chain link fencing, the fabric does not turn corners. It is stopped at the end of each run and a new section begins around the corner. I thought about inserting rods at the end of each run just like on real chain link fencing, but you've got to remember this is a hobby model and stop with the minute details somewhere. I have looked at the hobby shop kits that use wedding veil type fabric for the fence material. The fabric is white and must be attached to the rails/posts, then stretched, then painted. I think my system is about the same amount of work but the end result is, IMHO, far superior to the kits. Not only that - you can make tons of fence with a $6 roll of screen versus $12 for a few feet with the kits!

I also have installed cardstock wooden fences on my layout. They are pretty easy.

I'll try to find links to some photos of the chain link fence and wooden fence. I'll post the links when I find them.

If you have any other questions, drop me an email.

Good luck with your fence project!!

David



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wb4hay" <wb4hay@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone come up with an alternate (read cheap) substitute material for a chain link fence?? 3000 scale feet was too much to invest in stock items.
>
> Kelly
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70249 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 8/18/2012
Subject: Links to Fencing Photos
All,

You can view some photos of my chain link fencing starting here:

http://tinyurl.com/8uyuy5u

And photos of my wooden fencing starting here:

http://tinyurl.com/8j3fzxa

Enjoy the other photos while you are visiting the photo section!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 70250 From: aztecfan Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: A way to promote S gauge
http://www.hotwheelscollectors.com/news/calendar/

I have pushed for years that we invite car collectors to our events because they did not have events.

Well now they have events. I think we need to show up with decorated train modals at their shows.

Jim Sleeth
Group: S-Trains Message: 70251 From: Mark Mugnai Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Re: Many Updates to the NASG Web Site
Lots of interesting stuff; thanks for posting all this.

Mark in Oregon
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Peter Vanvliet <groups@...> wrote:
>
> Good Evening Everyone,
>
> I have just updated the NASG web site with much new content. Thanks to
> the many individuals who have contributed text, photos, and information,
> I was able to completely revise and update the 2012 NASG Convention
> Highlights page. It has lots of new photos added tonight.
>
> http://www.nasg.org/Convention/Highlights.htm
>
> This week there has also been a lot of activity with regard to new and
> potential new products in "S". If you haven't visited the News page in a
> while, you'll be pleasantly surprised to find out just how active our
> community is!
>
> http://www.nasg.org/News/index.htm
>
> I have also made updates to the upcoming Events page of the site. Note
> the new location of the CJSS Fall "S" Get Together next month. I also
> added the "S Fest West" for May of next year, including the fest's car
> info and car order form.
>
> http://www.nasg.org/Events/index.htm
>
> (if you don't see the latest info on the pages, please press F5 or
> Refresh in your web browser; it may have cached the old info - I'll fix
> this issue soon).
>
> Have a great weekend,
> - Peter.
> (NASG webmaster)
>
> --
>
> Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
> Houston, Texas
>
> My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed
> <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
> Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/>
> Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/>
> N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/>
> --
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70252 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
I wish you all would give MTH a little time before all the criticism!



The "official word" is that their 2013 catalog will be released
at/around York, and it will include S.

All S-Trax components should be available right around year's-end.

First-quarter S production will likely include, at least, F3 engines, a
set, and some freight cars.

Nothing requiring new tooling.........too soon for that.



And remember.....Mike owns the production facility.....he's not
competing for production time with any other RR manufacturer....only
himself. That's a big advantage!

Doug







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Group: S-Trains Message: 70253 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Re: plastic streamliner from american flyer
Rechroming--------



Go to our website, click on AF REPAIR CLINICS.

One of them will give you all the details, requirements, and cost.



The big key is in YOUR preparation of the shells (which does NOT require
you to strip them).



We've plated and returned well over 200 assorted shells over the years,
with very minimal problems.



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM
(EST) only.
978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 70254 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Re: MTH
Some additional info re: MTH----



2013 "S" is expected to be included in the catalog to be released at
York.



ALL SHS S-Trax components are expected to be re-released by MTH by
year's end.



Early 2013 deliveries will likely include some re-releases of SHS diesel
power and freight cars, and at least one set.



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM
(EST) only.
978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 70255 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Re: Smoke output 21115 engine
With a can motor, I use the usual 4-pin jack panel and plug. Wire the
motor to the outer 2 pins (or the inner 2 pins), and the smoke unit
wires to the other 2 pins. Wiring it that way, the plug can be inserted
either way and it will run and smoke.



Doug Peck

Port Lines Hobby Supply

6 Storeybrooke Drive

Newburyport, MA 01950-3408

www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/>

www.sgaugetrains.com <http://www.sgaugetrains.com/>

www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/>

www.amflyerparts.com <http://www.amflyerparts.com/>

www.flyertrainparts.com <http://www.flyertrainparts.com/>

Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).

978-465-8798

1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)

VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.





<<<I use the "superflex" wire and sub miniature plugs for all wiring
from the tender trucks to the engine. The original wire and plugs are
often troublesome due to age, and I don't require original appearance.

If you must have a back of cab board and plug system to keep the
original appearance, try getting an original or repro board and plug for
an engine that requires four or more wires. Most old Flyer fans won't
notice the change because it looks right.>>>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70256 From: May Cunningham Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Re: Gargraves track
What other track switches did Gargraves produce for S gauge?  Does anyone make a curve switch in s gauge for either .148 or .172 rail?



________________________________
From: Bill <reklein72@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 6:43 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Gargraves track



 

I still need two #6 right hand turnouts and one # 6 left hand turnout in the Gargraves line of track and in good condition please.Please reply offline.Thankyou, Bill Kleinert




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70257 From: Alan Lambert Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
From: Alan Lambert
           Fort Worth, Texas
 
Doug,
 
Thank you for that update. I for one am waiting on MTH. Now I hope everyone that bashed MTH will with this information from Doug Flat out give MTH a chance Product from them "IS" coming.
Thanks again Doug.
                      Alan Lambert
                      Lone Star Flyer club
                      Hurst, Texas
Our "new" club home.


________________________________
From: Doug Peck <doug@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:37 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH--not a bash



 

I wish you all would give MTH a little time before all the criticism!

The "official word" is that their 2013 catalog will be released
at/around York, and it will include S.

All S-Trax components should be available right around year's-end.

First-quarter S production will likely include, at least, F3 engines, a
set, and some freight cars.

Nothing requiring new tooling.........too soon for that.

And remember.....Mike owns the production facility.....he's not
competing for production time with any other RR manufacturer....only
himself. That's a big advantage!

Doug

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70258 From: johntech Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Rotary Dumper updates
I just uploaded pictures of the side frames I made this weekend for my Rotary Dumper.
I just need to drill out the "hydraulic cylinders" and make them workable to hold the car down.

Here is the link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/947298688/pic/list

John Frankforther

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70259 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/19/2012
Subject: Lionel Flyer Erie Add-On Cars
They're now shown on The GIlbert Gallery:

       http://thegilbertgallery.org/Passenger%20Gallery/Streamliner_Flyonel_Erie.html


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70260 From: wb4hay Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Thanks and tulle
I learned a new word--thanks so much for the help and I will be in the store tomorrow!

Kelly
Group: S-Trains Message: 70261 From: Don Thompson Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Re: Update on SHS weathered rail....
Update on SHS weathered rail.

One of the last items we were forced to purchase is all of the metal inventory of our last three unfinished track purchase orders. On a positive note, 646 pieces of 36" blackened rail, used on our #01228 155# rail bundle are included with our last shipment from China (with the #3 RC switches) should have left last week from Hong Kong. This is almost enough for 20 bundles. Although we have a few backorders for this item (Please note, there are NO DEALER sales backorder of this or any other item as we are not able to generate more inventory, what we have in stock is it...). We are still accepting orders for this item. Shortly, you will be able to order this item on our secure website at:

http://www.stacktalk.com/FlexTrack.html

We have asked Bill Clark to update this webpage and add the order button as well as change the status to Sept 12. Or, you can call us today between 10 and 4 to order. If you think you have this item on back order and want to confirm, please let us know as we have been out of this item for over a year...

Don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70262 From: rapidrail1 Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Re: A way to promote S gauge
I checked August and September. Everything is west coast. Do they ever do anything in the east?

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "aztecfan" <aztecfan@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.hotwheelscollectors.com/news/calendar/
>
> I have pushed for years that we invite car collectors to our events because they did not have events.
>
> Well now they have events. I think we need to show up with decorated train modals at their shows.
>
> Jim Sleeth
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70263 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Atlas in "S"?????
Hi All,

I was visiting a hobby shop in Houston with a large train department over the weekend. The sales guy said that Atlas was releasing 30 "S" scale engines and a bunch of rolling stock in 2013. That was big news to me. Has anyone else heard this?

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 70264 From: John Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Re: MTH--not a bash
Doug, thanks for posting. Hopefully a post from someone with your stature will calm the waters.

I'm new to this compared to others, but it strikes me from a business perspective that it would make little sense for MTH to pay money to buy SHS and then do some of the things some fear.

If wanted to come in with an inferior product he could do that without buying SHS.

If he wanted to take a long time to enter the market (like Lionel did) he could do that without buying SHS.

Why would he want to come in with inferior product and then add negative press to his brand name

While Lionel took too long to start using AF, there was little competition and a somewhat diluted demand. Lionel has started (and hopefully will continue) to move out on S gauge. MTH needs to get in as quickly as it safely can to grab market share from Lionel & others - market share is always a major concern with companies, it controls so many things.

Is MTH going to duplicate SHS's direction - almost certainly not, but the direction should be positive, if perhaps slightly different. The differences should be positive building on MTH's distribution channel, production independence and ability to leverage R&D in O and other gauges into S gauge.

Just my two cents worth.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote:
>
> I wish you all would give MTH a little time before all the criticism!
>
>
>
> The "official word" is that their 2013 catalog will be released
> at/around York, and it will include S.
>
> All S-Trax components should be available right around year's-end.
>
> First-quarter S production will likely include, at least, F3 engines, a
> set, and some freight cars.
>
> Nothing requiring new tooling.........too soon for that.
>
>
>
> And remember.....Mike owns the production facility.....he's not
> competing for production time with any other RR manufacturer....only
> himself. That's a big advantage!
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70265 From: Robert Lampe Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Re: Atlas in "S"?????
David, I haven, heard anything here in NW Montana. Please keep us updated. Bob in Kalispell

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: bull_gator_1@...
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:42:26 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Atlas in "S"?????


























Hi All,



I was visiting a hobby shop in Houston with a large train department over the weekend. The sales guy said that Atlas was releasing 30 "S" scale engines and a bunch of rolling stock in 2013. That was big news to me. Has anyone else heard this?



David


























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Group: S-Trains Message: 70266 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: 2013 The Year of S Scale
I was an S Scaler "back in the day" with a large AF DC layout but got into
HO and eventually N. I lurk on this list for nostalgia and professional
reasons.



I have followed the discussions (using the term loosely) about Lionel,
Flionel, MTH, etc.. and am amazed how, in the midst of the best times S
Scale has ever known, so many negative thoughts can be expressed..



There is more available now than ever before in the history of the scale
since Cleveland started making wood and paper kits. Gilbert / AF never
had a wide range of equipment (as compared to Lionel) and even factoring in
the problems with production in China there is still more material in the
pipeline than ever in terms of variety of cars and locomotives and roadname
selection. I would even not hesitate to state that S has more new and
better products than the demographics of the scale demand, especially when
you factor in the Scale/HiRail split personality that has to be dealt with.



Lionel has, from what I've seen, made some good moves in the direction of S
in both scale and tinplate lines with more planned. The acquisition of S
Helper by MTH should further the growth of S Scale.

They could have used the old K-Line and Marx tooling or make copies of old
AF items to bring out S Gauge stuff so be happy.

In addition, American Models seems to be coming back with production and S
Scale America / Des Plaines Hobbies has some neat stuff coming.



It has been noted here before by others that S Scalers seem to gravitate
towards the Grumpy Old Men end of things in the big tent of Model
Railroading. Manufacturers in this Hobby are not faceless
mega-corporations and the people that make the product decisions are human
beings who are not moved in a positive direction by negative vibes. They
monitor lists such as this and react to comments made at train shows and
other venues.



Those looking for more and better products would be well advised to look at
the glass as half full and smile..offering constructive, actionable advice
and criticism where and when needed..but supporting efforts, even if flawed,
to bring products to S Scale.



Charlie Vlk

Model Railroad Resources



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70267 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Re: 2013 The Year of S Scale
charlie:
have come to the conclusion, that it is a combination of things: 1)
senility, 2) "me-tooism's, and 3)
people who don't have lives, accept playing with their computers
mel perry

On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Charlie Vlk wrote:

>
>
> I was an S Scaler "back in the day" with a large AF DC layout but
> got into
> HO and eventually N. I lurk on this list for nostalgia and
> professional
> reasons.
>
> I have followed the discussions (using the term loosely) about Lionel,
> Flionel, MTH, etc.. and am amazed how, in the midst of the best
> times S
> Scale has ever known, so many negative thoughts can be expressed..
>
> There is more available now than ever before in the history of the
> scale
> since Cleveland started making wood and paper kits. Gilbert / AF never
> had a wide range of equipment (as compared to Lionel) and even
> factoring in
> the problems with production in China there is still more material
> in the
> pipeline than ever in terms of variety of cars and locomotives and
> roadname
> selection. I would even not hesitate to state that S has more new and
> better products than the demographics of the scale demand,
> especially when
> you factor in the Scale/HiRail split personality that has to be
> dealt with.
>
> Lionel has, from what I've seen, made some good moves in the
> direction of S
> in both scale and tinplate lines with more planned. The acquisition
> of S
> Helper by MTH should further the growth of S Scale.
>
> They could have used the old K-Line and Marx tooling or make copies
> of old
> AF items to bring out S Gauge stuff so be happy.
>
> In addition, American Models seems to be coming back with
> production and S
> Scale America / Des Plaines Hobbies has some neat stuff coming.
>
> It has been noted here before by others that S Scalers seem to
> gravitate
> towards the Grumpy Old Men end of things in the big tent of Model
> Railroading. Manufacturers in this Hobby are not faceless
> mega-corporations and the people that make the product decisions
> are human
> beings who are not moved in a positive direction by negative vibes.
> They
> monitor lists such as this and react to comments made at train
> shows and
> other venues.
>
> Those looking for more and better products would be well advised to
> look at
> the glass as half full and smile..offering constructive, actionable
> advice
> and criticism where and when needed..but supporting efforts, even
> if flawed,
> to bring products to S Scale.
>
> Charlie Vlk
>
> Model Railroad Resources
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70268 From: May Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: 90 degree crossing
Hello to everyone. Can anyone tell us where we can find 90 degree crossing to use with American Models track? Also does anyone make a 90 degree for use with Gragraves track other then a American Flyer crossing?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70269 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Digital CTT
I dropped my CTT subscription a while back (that's another story) but while checking out the Kindle store I noticed an interesting cover story on the October issue and decided to buy a copy of the digital edition.

The digital edition is actually two versions; A Page View that looks like a PDF of the complete magazine, and an indexed Text View. The Text View omits the ads and presents the magazine's columns and articles in easy-to-read text along with the accompanying photos. You can enlarge the photos if needed

It's nice to be able to get an occasional CTT this way, and I'm seriously considering switching my MR subscription to digital. Having it auto-delivered to my Kindle each month sounds kinda neat..

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70270 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Fwd: {S-Scale List} Introduction and S-Scaler invite to our Florida
fyi
mel perry


Begin forwarded message:

> From: "David" <bigwiggs@...>
> Date: August 20, 2012 4:47:52 PM PDT
> To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: {S-Scale List} Introduction and S-Scaler invite to our
> Florida Fall meet
> Reply-To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
>
> Hello all. I am owner-moderator of the Florida O-Scalers Yahoo
> Group, a group for 2-rail O-scale modeling in standard (OW-5) and
> narrow gauges. We have an annual Fall meet that typically takes
> place in Orlando and for the past few years have invited scale S-
> scalers such as yourselves to attend and participate. Our meet this
> year will be on Saturday, September 29th from 9AM to about 4PM. A
> swap meet is held in the morning and clinics after lunch which is
> from noon to about 1:30PM. The meet letter with details can be
> found in FILES on the website, but like this site, you will have to
> apply and be approved. The link follows: http://groups.yahoo.com/
> group/FloridaOscalers/ . If you live in the area or will be
> visiting at that time, please consider joining us. Unfortunately,
> limited time and space precludes any hope of train running for this
> venue at this time. My contact info can be found in the meet
> letter. If you cannot open the letter, which is a Word document,
> please email me @ bigwiggs@... . Thanks,
>
> Davo in Orlando
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70271 From: Ben Date: 8/20/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Lot of Polar Express-able 652 series car shells on eBay right now- perfect for kit-bashing your favorite North Pole train:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMERICAN-FLYER-LOT-OF-4-HW-SHELLS-FOR-PARTS-/251134620333?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3a78ca32ad

They do need some cosmetic surgery and trucks/bases...but the possibilities are endless.

Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 70272 From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: Atlas in
I got the following reply from Atlas on S scale! They claim there
is no truth to the rumor they will be producing S scale.
==============================================================

Hello,

Sorry, no truth to that rumor.
Steve Millenbach

Customer Service Manager

Atlas Model Railroad Company

908-687-0880 ext 7147

www.atlasrr.com [1]
"You're on the Right Track...with Atlas"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
On Mon 08/20/12 8:42 AM , "bull_gator_1" bull_gator_1@...
sent:
Hi All,
I was visiting a hobby shop in Houston with a large train department
over the weekend. The sales guy said that Atlas was releasing 30 "S"
scale engines and a bunch of rolling stock in 2013. That was big news
to me. Has anyone else heard this?
David



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70273 From: Steven Allen Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Jack,

Our S-Gauge group is involved with Look Park in Northampton, MA for their Santa's Train's at Look Park. 3 years ago I painted an American Models 5 piece undecorated heavyweight passenger set. Attached is a brief article I wrote for our clubs newsletter explaining what colors I used to airbrush the cars. The key is patience, don't rush the job. Good luck

Steven Allen
Pioneer Valley S-Gaugers
Springfield, MA

Painting American Models Heavyweights in Polar Express Colors

When Doug Peck from Port Lines Hobbies came out with the special on the American Models Northern, a set of heavyweight passenger cars, and Polar Express decals, our S Gauge group (The Pioneer Valley S-Gaugers) were elated over this prospect. You see, last year we worked with the people from Look Memorial Park in Northampton, MA on their Santa's Workshop. The park is decorated with lights for the holiday season. They approached George Reneris from our group about setting up a train layout to go along with the local children and adults visiting Santa and Mrs. Claus in their workshop. Needless to say we were very excited by the prospect. Although the entire concept for the layout was a last minute thing, we set up a temporary layout on three portable tables, giving us a 2 tracked layout of approximately 10'x5'. Needless to say, the layout proved to quite successful, as Santa's Workshop had over 5000 people come in over the 2 week period.
Since the first of this year, we have been planning a modular layout approximately 17'x6'. The main focus we had hoped on was to have the Polar Express running on one of the loops. Unfortunately since there was no Polar Express available in "S", and no decals, we sort of shelved the idea and went on to plan the layout using more traditional Christmas themed cars. As I stated earlier, when PLHS announced the special, we pounced on the opportunity immediately. The only issue facing us was painting the cars. I volunteered to do the painting, so over the next 2 months I tried out a number of paint combinations to come as close as possible to the paint scheme on Lionel's Polar Express set in that other gauge. Initially I was going to settle on the old Erie Lackawanna gray and maroon, it just didn't look right to me. Finally I settled on 2 Model Master Acrylic colors, intermediate blue (SKU# 4744/the corresponding Enamel SKU# is 1720) and Insignia Red (SKU# 4714/Enamel SKU# 1705).
To prepare for airbrushing, I removed the roofs and carefully removed the observation car deck. I cleaned the body of the 5 heavyweight cars with alcohol to remove any release agent, then a damp cloth to remove any alcohol residue. I taped off the inside of the windows, the light panels, the battery boxes, the couplers and wheel sets. I wasn't too concerned about overspray on the trucks or underbody, as I was going to paint them Floquil acrylic Grimly Black (SKU# F414137/Weathered Black is the corresponding color in enamel, SKU# F110013), Floquil tarnished black (SKU# 414140 or SKU# 110017) is also an option. I waited 5 days before taping (I used Tamiya 18mm masking tape with housing, SKU#87032) the cars for the red strip in order to allow the intermediate blue paint to set up properly. The major headache in doing this taping, is taping off the sliding doors on the 2 head end cars and the combo, because it's possible that the paint can run beneath the tape in the recessed areas. I was very pleased when the primary color (intermediate gray) was sprayed on the body. Initially when the red went on it appeared to be too bright, but after drying it toned down. I have to admit, comparing it directly to the Lionel version, the red I used could use some blue for tinting purposes. However away from the Lionel version and you really wouldn't notice a difference. Once the second coat was thoroughly dried, I applied a gloss coat in order to apply the decal sets. When that set was completed, all I needed to do was apply a coat of dull coat to knock down the sheen from the decal film and blend it into the car.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "afdinger@..." <afdinger@...> wrote:
>
> I am interested in making a flyer Polar Express train for our Christmas Show. I need help with the paint colors. If anyone has made this conversion, can you tell me the paints you used? I stopped in a local hobby shop and could not find the colors that could be used. There selection was obiviously limited. Thanks for your help. Jack
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70274 From: Robert Lampe Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: Atlas in
It seems to me that if Atlas or anyone else were to start production in S it would be announced in every major modeling mag.

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: scubadoo2@...
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:39:52 -0400
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Atlas in






























I got the following reply from Atlas on S scale! They claim there

is no truth to the rumor they will be producing S scale.

==============================================================



Hello,



Sorry, no truth to that rumor.

Steve Millenbach



Customer Service Manager



Atlas Model Railroad Company



908-687-0880 ext 7147



www.atlasrr.com [1]

"You're on the Right Track...with Atlas"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

On Mon 08/20/12 8:42 AM , "bull_gator_1" bull_gator_1@...

sent:

Hi All,

I was visiting a hobby shop in Houston with a large train department

over the weekend. The sales guy said that Atlas was releasing 30 "S"

scale engines and a bunch of rolling stock in 2013. That was big news

to me. Has anyone else heard this?

David





Links:

------

[1] http://www.atlasrr.com/

[3]

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70275 From: Don Thompson Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: Update on SHS weathered rail....
I want to thank everyone that has taken part, the rail is now all sold.
Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 70276 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: The Gilbert Gallery "For Sale" page is back!
The Gilbert Gallery "For Sale" page is back:


          http://thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale.html

I just brought it up online with long lists of S and Plasticville items that I have on hand for sale.

There is also a list of HO items, and an O Scale list is in the works, for the multi-scalers among us.

Additional pages with pictures of items on hand will follow.  As always, pictures are available on request.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70277 From: Al Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Here is the description of the 4 cars that might be able to become Polar Express cars on Ebay:

LOT OF 4 HW SHELLS FOR REPAIR OR PARTS.MOST SHELLS ARE FROM 1948 WITH NUMBERS ON ENDS.  THERE ARE  3 652.  AND 1 DINNER CAR. DINNER  CAR IS GOOD SHELL  WITH WINDOWS NO BROKEN ENDS,BUT HAS BLACK PAINT ON ROOF,SEE PICS. THE 3 652 HAVE NUMBERS  AND GRAFICS GOOD. THE ENDS ON ONE END ARE GOOD. THE OTHER ENDS ARE BROKEN. THE SHELLS ARE GOOD EXCEPT BROKEN ENDS.PLEASE SEE PICS. 


there are 2 days left for bidding -= please look at the pics.

Al

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70278 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: We are going back to running AC
So all the good new scale engines from Lionel and Mike will be offer sound systems that run off AC.

So if you want to run DC you have to dig up the old AC to DC conversion units.

Then you throw away your DCC sound units if you have them.

Now all your engines can run on AC, but they will not sell you AC sound units.

Tell me I am wrong.

I am building a new layout and see I have to have a DC system and a AC system.

I can not seem to find a way to have all engines to have sound.

Funny that Gilbert and sound and ran on AC and DC.

So is our future AC

Jim Sleeth


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70279 From: wb4hay Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: Links to Fencing Photos
David,

Thanx much for the pix and the great writeup--It sure gives me a place to start.

Kelly

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> You can view some photos of my chain link fencing starting here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8uyuy5u
>
> And photos of my wooden fencing starting here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8j3fzxa
>
> Enjoy the other photos while you are visiting the photo section!
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70280 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
I don't have the problem as from now on I will only be running 1946
and early 1947 all original Flyer. I am more interested in the
nostalgic/museum /early technology side of things. Only sound on the
layout will be my prewar Flyer Talking station. Each to their own. AC
rules! Alistair 

----- Original Message -----
From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
To:"S-Scale@yahoogroups.com" , "s-trains@yahoogroups.com"
Cc:
Sent:Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:57:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:[S-Trains] We are going back to running AC

 

So all the good new scale engines from Lionel and Mike will be offer
sound systems that run off AC.

So if you want to run DC you have to dig up the old AC to DC
conversion units.

Then you throw away your DCC sound units if you have them.

Now all your engines can run on AC, but they will not sell you AC
sound units.

Tell me I am wrong.

I am building a new layout and see I have to have a DC system and a
AC system.

I can not seem to find a way to have all engines to have sound.

Funny that Gilbert and sound and ran on AC and DC.

So is our future AC

Jim Sleeth

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70281 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
DALLEE offers lots of options for A/C sound.

Jim Lyle


_http://www.dallee.com/AC_Sound_Overview.html_
(http://www.dallee.com/AC_Sound_Overview.html)


In a message dated 8/22/2012 1:34:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
aztecfan@... writes:

Now all your engines can run on AC, but they will not sell you AC sound
units.

Tell me I am wrong


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70282 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
Welcome to "toy" trains. I can understand Lionel, Gilbert, and Marx coming out of WWII sticking with AC. It was a known technology, even though HO and "scale" trains went to DC.

By 1950, it was still not clear that DC was the way to go, even though the "technology" existed. Having gone "maverick" and changed to S gauge, Gilbert at least tried to add DC to their line.

By 1960, there was no excuse for anyone to stick with AC. DC had proven itself and was simpler and cheaper. Gilbert and Marx were already in deep financial trouble, so changing was out of the question financially, and Lionel was doing well with what they had made for years (a trend that would continue until MTH came along.) Nothing changed, so an opportunity to update was passed up.

When electronics came along they had another opportunity to go DC, perhaps save money by picking up the DCC standards rather than developing their competing systems, and they passed it up yet again.

They have always said "compatability with older trains" was the excuse, but with today's electronics already being used to change AC to DC in the engine, that's lame. S Helper Service managed to make their stuff AC, or DC, or DCC, and had sound too. And they were a small outfit with much less engineering budget than the biggies.

And so, that's where we are. The "toy" manufacturers are spending extra money staying with AC and it's complication, when DC and DCC would be cheaper for them, and for us. One wonders why this is when a much better and well proven system is available, and for less money? Hmmm...

That's how I see it after fifty years in both sides of the hobby and having spent twenty years in a hobby shop which was a Lionel Service Station and sold both "scale" and "toy" trains. It's a history of missed opportunities and possible ulterior motives that costs us all.

Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70283 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC.
Jim,

You may be jumping the gun. Internally (in the locomotives), the sound systems are DC-powered. In the case of MTH, for example, DCS and PS-3 sounds for HO run entirely in a DC environment. SHS engines, of course, can be run on DC and are NMRA DCC compliant. Folks may want to hold off on their judgments until MTH gets up and rolling and starts to catalog and deliver product, which may be for a while.

As does Doug, I council patience. :-)

Bob Bubeck


>>So all the good new scale engines from Lionel and Mike will be offer sound systems that run off AC.
So if you want to run DC you have to dig up the old AC to DC conversion units. Then you throw away your DCC sound units if you have them.
Now all your engines can run on AC, but they will not sell you AC sound units.

Tell me I am wrong.

I am building a new layout and see I have to have a DC system and a AC system. I can not seem to find a way to have all engines to have sound.
Funny that Gilbert and sound and ran on AC and DC. So is our future AC

Jim Sleeth <<







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Group: S-Trains Message: 70284 From: Alan Lambert Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC.
From: Alan Lambert
           Fort Worth, Texas
 
Bob,
I agree with you. People need to get off their high horse and "wait" for MTH to get the new "S" product on the market. Until then the rumor mill will need to grind to a halt. Nuff said. "we need to give MTH a chance guys". Doug Peck is a well known insider in our scale and I tend on agreeing with him. Again "give MTH a chance to get into the "S" market before we ask stupid questions. My dollars worth on this subject. Just wait and see.
                    Alan Lambert


________________________________
From: "rbubeck327@..." <rbubeck327@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 8:28 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: We are going back to running AC.



 



Jim,

You may be jumping the gun. Internally (in the locomotives), the sound systems are DC-powered. In the case of MTH, for example, DCS and PS-3 sounds for HO run entirely in a DC environment. SHS engines, of course, can be run on DC and are NMRA DCC compliant. Folks may want to hold off on their judgments until MTH gets up and rolling and starts to catalog and deliver product, which may be for a while.

As does Doug, I council patience. :-)

Bob Bubeck

>>So all the good new scale engines from Lionel and Mike will be offer sound systems that run off AC.
So if you want to run DC you have to dig up the old AC to DC conversion units. Then you throw away your DCC sound units if you have them.
Now all your engines can run on AC, but they will not sell you AC sound units.

Tell me I am wrong.

I am building a new layout and see I have to have a DC system and a AC system. I can not seem to find a way to have all engines to have sound.
Funny that Gilbert and sound and ran on AC and DC. So is our future AC

Jim Sleeth <<

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70285 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
Hi all:
Possibly the manufacturers recognize that there are quite a few users
out there who run ac and who don't want to change all their
engines/motors to dc (although I do understand that early AF had
'universal motors' that would run on ac or dc. The engines were simpler
then, and they have lasted for more than 60 years. Possibly ACG should
have built in some destruction mechanism that 'eliminated' the engines
after 20 years - sort of like electronics have now (although I don't
think they will last 20 years):-) !
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 8/22/2012 15:04, mrstumpy50 wrote:
>
> Welcome to "toy" trains. I can understand Lionel, Gilbert, and Marx
> coming out of WWII sticking with AC. It was a known technology, even
> though HO and "scale" trains went to DC.
>
> By 1950, it was still not clear that DC was the way to go, even though
> the "technology" existed. Having gone "maverick" and changed to S
> gauge, Gilbert at least tried to add DC to their line.
>
> By 1960, there was no excuse for anyone to stick with AC. DC had
> proven itself and was simpler and cheaper. Gilbert and Marx were
> already in deep financial trouble, so changing was out of the question
> financially, and Lionel was doing well with what they had made for
> years (a trend that would continue until MTH came along.) Nothing
> changed, so an opportunity to update was passed up.
>
> When electronics came along they had another opportunity to go DC,
> perhaps save money by picking up the DCC standards rather than
> developing their competing systems, and they passed it up yet again.
>
> They have always said "compatability with older trains" was the
> excuse, but with today's electronics already being used to change AC
> to DC in the engine, that's lame. S Helper Service managed to make
> their stuff AC, or DC, or DCC, and had sound too. And they were a
> small outfit with much less engineering budget than the biggies.
>
> And so, that's where we are. The "toy" manufacturers are spending
> extra money staying with AC and it's complication, when DC and DCC
> would be cheaper for them, and for us. One wonders why this is when a
> much better and well proven system is available, and for less money?
> Hmmm...
>
> That's how I see it after fifty years in both sides of the hobby and
> having spent twenty years in a hobby shop which was a Lionel Service
> Station and sold both "scale" and "toy" trains. It's a history of
> missed opportunities and possible ulterior motives that costs us all.
>
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70286 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Why all the AC-DC fuss?
I don't understand all the fuss. One can easily run all the systems with
the simple throw of some switches.
I currently run AC, DC, DCC, Locomatic, and TMCC all on the one single
loop of track that is my layout. And it is all done with two power supplies.
A ZW (ac) and an MRC 6200 (dc). Somewhere in the archives of this list is
a diagram of my power setup.
I sure would like to see this rag put to rest.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70287 From: Brady Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Back to Model Railroading?
The standards discussion seems to be turning into a self-licking ice cream cone.

The greats of model railroading (Ellison, McClellan, Barrow) wrote a lot about their railroads and how they functioned as transportation systems. I don't recall them spending a great deal of time or print on the discussion of control systems.


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 70288 From: Alan Lambert Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: Why all the AC-DC fuss?
From: Alan Lambert
           Fort Worth, Texas
 
Steve,
You just answered the big question. Now lets get back to running trains and quit asking dumb questions. I use the switch on my layout also. Works for me.
              Alan
 


________________________________
From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:22 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Why all the AC-DC fuss?



 

I don't understand all the fuss. One can easily run all the systems with
the simple throw of some switches.
I currently run AC, DC, DCC, Locomatic, and TMCC all on the one single
loop of track that is my layout. And it is all done with two power supplies.
A ZW (ac) and an MRC 6200 (dc). Somewhere in the archives of this list is
a diagram of my power setup.
I sure would like to see this rag put to rest.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70289 From: Robert Conner Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: Why all the AC-DC fuss?
STEVE.... Can you post a link to the site? Bob

--- On Wed, 8/22/12, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote:


From: boss31@... <boss31@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Why all the AC-DC fuss?
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 12:22 PM



 



I don't understand all the fuss. One can easily run all the systems with
the simple throw of some switches.
I currently run AC, DC, DCC, Locomatic, and TMCC all on the one single
loop of track that is my layout. And it is all done with two power supplies.
A ZW (ac) and an MRC 6200 (dc). Somewhere in the archives of this list is
a diagram of my power setup.
I sure would like to see this rag put to rest.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70290 From: D. Winslow Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rance Velapoldi" <rvelapoldi@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: We are going back to
running AC


> Hi all:
> Possibly the manufacturers recognize that there
> are quite a few users
> out there who run ac and who don't want to
> change all their
> engines/motors to dc (although I do understand
> that early AF had
> 'universal motors' that would run on ac or dc.
> The engines were simpler
> then, and they have lasted for more than 60
> years.

This is I think a misconception. Years ago things
were generally built to
last, if given lots of maintenance, because the
machinery was expensive
and maintenance labor was cheap. It is just the
opposite today, things
need last longer than it takes to reach the new
state of the art, a few years.

> Possibly ACG should have built in some
> destruction mechanism that
> 'eliminated' the engines after 20 years - sort
> of like electronics have
> now (although I don't think they will last 20
> years):-) !
> Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

It would take more engineering to make something
fail in 20 years than
it would to make it last. This false claim of
planned obsolescence has been
around forever. The term has legitimacy of course,
quality engineering
must think in such terms of course, but not with
an eye to bring about
deliberate failures.

I have a full range of electronic devices, some
older than myself (68) and
others not yet delivered. I've never seen anything
that leads me to think
anything was designed to fail in 20 years. One
should not confuse a
statistical life of 20 years with the life of any
single unit.

Dave W.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70291 From: Robert Lampe Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: Why all the AC-DC fuss?
Does it really matter? I say use whatever you're comfortable with or prefer. Bottom line use what works for you.

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:15:57 -0700
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Why all the AC-DC fuss?


























STEVE.... Can you post a link to the site? Bob



--- On Wed, 8/22/12, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote:



From: boss31@... <boss31@...>

Subject: [S-Trains] Why all the AC-DC fuss?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 12:22 PM







I don't understand all the fuss. One can easily run all the systems with

the simple throw of some switches.

I currently run AC, DC, DCC, Locomatic, and TMCC all on the one single

loop of track that is my layout. And it is all done with two power supplies.

A ZW (ac) and an MRC 6200 (dc). Somewhere in the archives of this list is

a diagram of my power setup.

I sure would like to see this rag put to rest.



Steve

SnS Trains

Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70292 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
 Its not design but construction and quality control that are the
problems at times. Bad batches of capacitors have been the achiles
heel of domestic electronic equipment for years. The other problem
more often met than should be is dry solder joints. Exposure to
domestic PC repair would show you I am not joking. Just talk to
computer repair persons.  
Alistair

----- Original Message -----
From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
To:
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:38:47 -0400
Subject:Re: [S-Trains] RE: We are going back to running AC

It would take more engineering to make something
fail in 20 years than
it would to make it last. This false claim of
planned obsolescence has been
around forever. The term has legitimacy of course,
quality engineering
must think in such terms of course, but not with
an eye to bring about
deliberate failures.

I have a full range of electronic devices, some
older than myself (68) and
others not yet delivered. I've never seen anything
that leads me to think
anything was designed to fail in 20 years. One
should not confuse a
statistical life of 20 years with the life of any
single unit.

Dave W.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70293 From: lionely6b Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
What? No smoke-in-tender chuffs or whistling billboards? :-))

Bob B.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote:
>
> I don't have the problem as from now on I will only be running 1946
> and early 1947 all original Flyer. I am more interested in the
> nostalgic/museum /early technology side of things. Only sound on the
> layout will be my prewar Flyer Talking station. Each to their own. AC
> rules! Alistair 
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70294 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 8/22/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
Forgot about them - but main thing is all electro-mechanical - no
solid state. Alistair 

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Subject:[S-Trains] Re: We are going back to running AC

 

What? No smoke-in-tender chuffs or whistling billboards? :-))

Bob B.

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>
> I don't have the problem as from now on I will only be running 1946
> and early 1947 all original Flyer. I am more interested in the
> nostalgic/museum /early technology side of things. Only sound on
the
> layout will be my prewar Flyer Talking station. Each to their own.
AC
> rules! Alistair 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70295 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/23/2012
Subject: Re: Why all the AC-DC fuss?
do a search using steve's handle
mel perry

On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Robert Conner wrote:

> STEVE.... Can you post a link to the site? Bob
>
> --- On Wed, 8/22/12, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote:
>
> From: boss31@... <boss31@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Why all the AC-DC fuss?
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 12:22 PM
>
>
>
> I don't understand all the fuss. One can easily run all the systems
> with
> the simple throw of some switches.
> I currently run AC, DC, DCC, Locomatic, and TMCC all on the one single
> loop of track that is my layout. And it is all done with two power
> supplies.
> A ZW (ac) and an MRC 6200 (dc). Somewhere in the archives of this
> list is
> a diagram of my power setup.
> I sure would like to see this rag put to rest.
>
> Steve
> SnS Trains
> Boise
>
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70296 From: JOHN Date: 8/23/2012
Subject: Polar Express Colors
Thanks for all the helpful information on converting AF heavyweights to PE cars. Steven, your choice of paints confirmed the choice I made for the blue/grey color. I used the Intermediate Blue as well. Since I had some Krylon satin burgandy left oveer from a previous repaint, I tried it for the "red" window section and thought that it was a good color match. Now I am at the touch up and decal part of the project so I really appreciated the information for how you installed the Port Lines decals. They are great.
IF I have time before our club Christmas show,I will try and modify the observation car to look like the PE car. Right now I am just planning to run a repainted heavyweight and live with any critical comments.
When I put my AF PE car next to the three rail imposter, I think it looks pretty good.
Again, thanks for all the helpful information this forum provides.
Jack
Group: S-Trains Message: 70297 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/23/2012
Subject: More thoughts on AC vs. DC
I think that under today's somewhat confused S gauge world, Steve has the best solution! His idea of being capable of running just about anything makes the most sense, and he's not the only one who has figured this out. It is either do that, or standardize on one manufcturer with one system and stay within those boundaries, since the manufacturers don't want to "play nice."

I have "standardized" on straight DC (although I have AC transformers and easily could go with Steve's thinking too.) A good friend across town has decided to stay with AC but use DC can motors and Dallee electronic reverse units to elimnate the old Gilbert flaws. And yet a buddy that lives in Wheeling, stays with all old Gilbert and loves to tinker with his stuff (which he HAS to do much of the time.) We have each decided on our own way of playing with trains and each of us is enjoying them.

Right now, two of us are using the more prototypical RLB sound and control system; The sound is mechanical, and control is a hand on the throttle. (Reliable Low Budget System: DC motor, Choo-choo, and a Mark One human.) It works fine on my layout and I don't argue with myself.
:-)

All modern manufacturers use DC can motors and conversion from AC track power to the DC motor is done in the electronics. This fact, and my own experience with DC "model" trains, tells me that DC is the way to go. The continued added costs of laying AC over DC might eventually force manufacturers to do what they should have done years ago.

There are questions of compatiblity with AC trains of course. But how compatible are all the AC systems now? To me this is just as stupid as the automakers all having different bolt patterns on their wheels so you can't swap them from one make to another. No matter how you cut it, there's an unnecessary, costly mess!

It also makes me think that guys who want a single overall sound and control system may do just as well to go to HO and use DCC or radio control. Sad huh?
Stumpy in Ahia...Flaming the messenger doesn't work if he's wearing a fire suit.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70298 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/23/2012
Subject: Re: More thoughts on AC vs. DC
well said stump, experience is the greatest teacher
mel perry

On Aug 23, 2012, at 6:21 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:

> I think that under today's somewhat confused S gauge world, Steve
> has the best solution! His idea of being capable of running just
> about anything makes the most sense, and he's not the only one who
> has figured this out. It is either do that, or standardize on one
> manufcturer with one system and stay within those boundaries, since
> the manufacturers don't want to "play nice."
>
> I have "standardized" on straight DC (although I have AC
> transformers and easily could go with Steve's thinking too.) A good
> friend across town has decided to stay with AC but use DC can
> motors and Dallee electronic reverse units to elimnate the old
> Gilbert flaws. And yet a buddy that lives in Wheeling, stays with
> all old Gilbert and loves to tinker with his stuff (which he HAS to
> do much of the time.) We have each decided on our own way of
> playing with trains and each of us is enjoying them.
>
> Right now, two of us are using the more prototypical RLB sound and
> control system; The sound is mechanical, and control is a hand on
> the throttle. (Reliable Low Budget System: DC motor, Choo-choo, and
> a Mark One human.) It works fine on my layout and I don't argue
> with myself.
> :-)
>
> All modern manufacturers use DC can motors and conversion from AC
> track power to the DC motor is done in the electronics. This fact,
> and my own experience with DC "model" trains, tells me that DC is
> the way to go. The continued added costs of laying AC over DC might
> eventually force manufacturers to do what they should have done
> years ago.
>
> There are questions of compatiblity with AC trains of course. But
> how compatible are all the AC systems now? To me this is just as
> stupid as the automakers all having different bolt patterns on
> their wheels so you can't swap them from one make to another. No
> matter how you cut it, there's an unnecessary, costly mess!
>
> It also makes me think that guys who want a single overall sound
> and control system may do just as well to go to HO and use DCC or
> radio control. Sad huh?
> Stumpy in Ahia...Flaming the messenger doesn't work if he's wearing
> a fire suit.
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70299 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 8/23/2012
Subject: Re: More thoughts on AC vs. DC
Stumpy,
     DC is great except for one thing. Please show me a can motor that still works after 50 years of use. AF open frames still work after 66 years.
LBR
 
 


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From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] More thoughts on AC vs. DC
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 9:21 AM



 



I think that under today's somewhat confused S gauge world, Steve has the best solution! His idea of being capable of running just about anything makes the most sense, and he's not the only one who has figured this out. It is either do that, or standardize on one manufcturer with one system and stay within those boundaries, since the manufacturers don't want to "play nice."

I have "standardized" on straight DC (although I have AC transformers and easily could go with Steve's thinking too.) A good friend across town has decided to stay with AC but use DC can motors and Dallee electronic reverse units to elimnate the old Gilbert flaws. And yet a buddy that lives in Wheeling, stays with all old Gilbert and loves to tinker with his stuff (which he HAS to do much of the time.) We have each decided on our own way of playing with trains and each of us is enjoying them.

Right now, two of us are using the more prototypical RLB sound and control system; The sound is mechanical, and control is a hand on the throttle. (Reliable Low Budget System: DC motor, Choo-choo, and a Mark One human.) It works fine on my layout and I don't argue with myself.
:-)

All modern manufacturers use DC can motors and conversion from AC track power to the DC motor is done in the electronics. This fact, and my own experience with DC "model" trains, tells me that DC is the way to go. The continued added costs of laying AC over DC might eventually force manufacturers to do what they should have done years ago.

There are questions of compatiblity with AC trains of course. But how compatible are all the AC systems now? To me this is just as stupid as the automakers all having different bolt patterns on their wheels so you can't swap them from one make to another. No matter how you cut it, there's an unnecessary, costly mess!

It also makes me think that guys who want a single overall sound and control system may do just as well to go to HO and use DCC or radio control. Sad huh?
Stumpy in Ahia...Flaming the messenger doesn't work if he's wearing a fire suit.








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Group: S-Trains Message: 70300 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 8/23/2012
Subject: Re: More thoughts on AC vs. DC
that's right - but they say that's only if you keep them well
maintained. Plenty still run after years of neglest however but can
motors often cannot be reconditioned or maintained by the owner
anyway Alistair 

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Stumpy,
     DC is great except for one thing. Please show me a can motor
that still works after 50 years of use. AF open frames still work
after 66 years.
LBR
 
 

--- On Thu, 8/23/12, mrstumpy50 wrote:

From: mrstumpy50
Subject: [S-Trains] More thoughts on AC vs. DC
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3]
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 9:21 AM

 

I think that under today's somewhat confused S gauge world, Steve has
the best solution! His idea of being capable of running just about
anything makes the most sense, and he's not the only one who has
figured this out It is either do that, or standardize on one
manufcturer with one system and stay within those boundaries, since
the manufacturers don't want to "play nice."

I have "standardized" on straight DC (although I have AC transformers
and easily could go with Steve's thinking too.) A good friend across
town has decided to stay with AC but use DC can motors and Dallee
electronic reverse units to elimnate the old Gilbert flaws. And yet a
buddy that lives in Wheeling, stays with all old Gilbert and loves to
tinker with his stuff (which he HAS to do much of the time.) We have
each decided on our own way of playing with trains and each of us is
enjoying them.

Right now, two of us are using the more prototypical RLB sound and
control system; The sound is mechanical, and control is a hand on the
throttle. (Reliable Low Budget System: DC motor, Choo-choo, and a Mark
One human.) It works fine on my layout and I don't argue with myself.
:-)

All modern manufacturers use DC can motors and conversion from AC
track power to the DC motor is done in the electronics. This fact,
and my own experience with DC "model" trains, tells me that DC is the
way to go. The continued added costs of laying AC over DC might
eventually force manufacturers to do what they should have done years
ago.

There are questions of compatiblity with AC trains of course. But how
compatible are all the AC systems now? To me this is just as stupid as
the automakers all having different bolt patterns on their wheels so
you can't swap them from one make to another. No matter how you cut
it, there's an unnecessary, costly mess!

It also makes me think that guys who want a single overall sound and
control system may do just as well to go to HO and use DCC or radio
control. Sad huh?
Stumpy in Ahia...Flaming the messenger doesn't work if he's wearing a
fire suit.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70301 From: Steven Allen Date: 8/23/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Jack,

I attached 3 photos in the photo section which are the best photos of our American Models undecorated heavyweights that I decorated as an S Scale Polar Express for the Holiday train show at Look Park in Northampton, MA. The event usually runs for 2 weeks through Christmas Eve.

Steve

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> Thanks for all the helpful information on converting AF heavyweights to PE cars. Steven, your choice of paints confirmed the choice I made for the blue/grey color. I used the Intermediate Blue as well. Since I had some Krylon satin burgandy left oveer from a previous repaint, I tried it for the "red" window section and thought that it was a good color match. Now I am at the touch up and decal part of the project so I really appreciated the information for how you installed the Port Lines decals. They are great.
> IF I have time before our club Christmas show,I will try and modify the observation car to look like the PE car. Right now I am just planning to run a repainted heavyweight and live with any critical comments.
> When I put my AF PE car next to the three rail imposter, I think it looks pretty good.
> Again, thanks for all the helpful information this forum provides.
> Jack
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70302 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/23/2012
Subject: AC/DC
But.....can motors are easily and cheaply replaced without all the
frustration of the Gilbert mechanical reverse units that are the cause of most
problems in running old Flyer.
Steve....SnS

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70303 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: AC/DC
I agree that the achiles heel of real Flyer is the reverser. However
they can be reconditioned to be trouble free for a number of years.
Whatever - if it gives you more trouble free fun and less operating
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But.....can motors are easily and cheaply replaced without all the
frustration of the Gilbert mechanical reverse units that are the
cause of most
problems in running old Flyer.
Steve....SnS

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70304 From: s-scale@hcprobst.com Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: [FWD: RE: [S-Trains] More thoughts on AC vs. DC]
And for about $2.00 each you can convert the AF motors to DC like I did
and have the best of both worlds.


Carey

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] More thoughts on AC vs. DC
From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...>
Date: Thu, August 23, 2012 5:13 pm
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Stumpy,
DC is great except for one thing. Please show me a can motor that
still works after 50 years of use. AF open frames still work after 66
years.
LBR



--- On Thu, 8/23/12, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] More thoughts on AC vs. DC
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 9:21 AM



I think that under today's somewhat confused S gauge world, Steve has
the best solution! His idea of being capable of running just about
anything makes the most sense, and he's not the only one who has figured
this out. It is either do that, or standardize on one manufcturer with
one system and stay within those boundaries, since the manufacturers
don't want to "play nice."

I have "standardized" on straight DC (although I have AC transformers
and easily could go with Steve's thinking too.) A good friend across
town has decided to stay with AC but use DC can motors and Dallee
electronic reverse units to elimnate the old Gilbert flaws. And yet a
buddy that lives in Wheeling, stays with all old Gilbert and loves to
tinker with his stuff (which he HAS to do much of the time.) We have
each decided on our own way of playing with trains and each of us is
enjoying them.

Right now, two of us are using the more prototypical RLB sound and
control system; The sound is mechanical, and control is a hand on the
throttle. (Reliable Low Budget System: DC motor, Choo-choo, and a Mark
One human.) It works fine on my layout and I don't argue with myself.
:-)

All modern manufacturers use DC can motors and conversion from AC track
power to the DC motor is done in the electronics. This fact, and my own
experience with DC "model" trains, tells me that DC is the way to go.
The continued added costs of laying AC over DC might eventually force
manufacturers to do what they should have done years ago.

There are questions of compatiblity with AC trains of course. But how
compatible are all the AC systems now? To me this is just as stupid as
the automakers all having different bolt patterns on their wheels so you
can't swap them from one make to another. No matter how you cut it,
there's an unnecessary, costly mess!

It also makes me think that guys who want a single overall sound and
control system may do just as well to go to HO and use DCC or radio
control. Sad huh?
Stumpy in Ahia...Flaming the messenger doesn't work if he's wearing a
fire suit.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70305 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
First none of us are going to live 50 more years so DC motors will be fine.

Second I am using RR concepts units to run double reverse loops running 2 trains where one pulls over and slows down and stops while the other passes by.

This system only works on DC.

Third to have auto control of my engines I need DCC and Legacy. That is 2 expensive systems, so if I buy just one new Lionel engine I have a mess.

I have yet to receive an answer to solve my problem.

Jim Sleeth


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70306 From: john Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: More thoughts on AC vs. DC
Yeah, but your choice in DC isn't limited to can motors. You can run original Ac Gilbert equipment with original stepped reverse (and even put together a totally original set up if you can find one of those nifty Gilbert rectifiers or DC power packs). With my original motors I've gone the route of changing over to bridge rectifiers, purchased for under $5 at my local Radio Shack, and have done away with the problems of the original reverse units,which were an ongoing pain you know where since I got my first Gilbert 4-6-4 at the tender age of 4 many, many years ago. This doesn't require any alteration of the locomotive, which can be put back to original with very little effort.
I wouldn't be too sure that those can motors won't hold up. I've got some HO ones that are approaching 30 years old and still fine. The economics are also in favor of changing to can motors when the original is damaged. I don't think you're going to repair many seriously messed up original motors for the very nominal prices that our suppliers are asking for their conversion kits. Clearly this is a real service on their part rather than a scheme to become rich beyond anyone's dreams. Once again they don't require any alteration of the original, and can be converted back very easily if desired. And to top it off, those can motors really do perform great!
Finally you can even convert those original field wound motors to DCC. There's a section in the Digitrax decoder manual that has instructions on how to do it. Been mulling over experimenting with one as it sure looks like fun.
JBB


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:
>
> Stumpy,
>      DC is great except for one thing. Please show me a can motor that still works after 50 years of use. AF open frames still work after 66 years.
> LBR
>  
>  
>
>
> --- On Thu, 8/23/12, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] More thoughts on AC vs. DC
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 9:21 AM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> I think that under today's somewhat confused S gauge world, Steve has the best solution! His idea of being capable of running just about anything makes the most sense, and he's not the only one who has figured this out. It is either do that, or standardize on one manufcturer with one system and stay within those boundaries, since the manufacturers don't want to "play nice."
>
> I have "standardized" on straight DC (although I have AC transformers and easily could go with Steve's thinking too.) A good friend across town has decided to stay with AC but use DC can motors and Dallee electronic reverse units to elimnate the old Gilbert flaws. And yet a buddy that lives in Wheeling, stays with all old Gilbert and loves to tinker with his stuff (which he HAS to do much of the time.) We have each decided on our own way of playing with trains and each of us is enjoying them.
>
> Right now, two of us are using the more prototypical RLB sound and control system; The sound is mechanical, and control is a hand on the throttle. (Reliable Low Budget System: DC motor, Choo-choo, and a Mark One human.) It works fine on my layout and I don't argue with myself.
> :-)
>
> All modern manufacturers use DC can motors and conversion from AC track power to the DC motor is done in the electronics. This fact, and my own experience with DC "model" trains, tells me that DC is the way to go. The continued added costs of laying AC over DC might eventually force manufacturers to do what they should have done years ago.
>
> There are questions of compatiblity with AC trains of course. But how compatible are all the AC systems now? To me this is just as stupid as the automakers all having different bolt patterns on their wheels so you can't swap them from one make to another. No matter how you cut it, there's an unnecessary, costly mess!
>
> It also makes me think that guys who want a single overall sound and control system may do just as well to go to HO and use DCC or radio control. Sad huh?
> Stumpy in Ahia...Flaming the messenger doesn't work if he's wearing a fire suit.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70307 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
Hi Jim:
I got my first AF 312 Pacific about 64 years ago - just ran it last year
for Christmas when the grandchildren were here, and it smoked and ran
like a charm (well, almost). Must admit it didn't run as well as SHS'
2-8-2, their F-7's, or AM's 4-8-4, but something has to get better in
60 years - doesn't it?
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 8/24/2012 14:50, JAMES SLEETH wrote:
>
> First none of us are going to live 50 more years so DC motors will be
> fine.
>
> Second I am using RR concepts units to run double reverse loops
> running 2 trains where one pulls over and slows down and stops while
> the other passes by.
>
> This system only works on DC.
>
> Third to have auto control of my engines I need DCC and Legacy. That
> is 2 expensive systems, so if I buy just one new Lionel engine I have
> a mess.
>
> I have yet to receive an answer to solve my problem.
>
> Jim Sleeth
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70308 From: Brady Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: Polar Express Colors
> Third to have auto control of my engines I need DCC and Legacy. That is 2 expensive systems, so if I buy just one new Lionel engine I have a mess.
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> I have yet to receive an answer to solve my problem.
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> Jim Sleeth

Jim,

Don't buy any Lionel TMCC/Legacy locos or the Legacy control system. Research the DCC systems and the software (like JMRI) that has the potential to provide solutions.

http://www.digitrax.com/

http://www.ncedcc.com/

http://www.cvpusa.com/

http://jmri.sourceforge.net/


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 70309 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: 361 horn
I know the 360/361 set came with its own "Electronic Whistle Control", but did it also work with the newer 708 Air Chime Whistle Control and/or 710 Steam Whistle Control?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70310 From: Richard Falzini Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
I don't recall but I think the answer to that is no

Rich



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>To: s-trains list <s-trains@...>
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>Subject: [S-Trains] 361 horn
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70311 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Flyer Motors VS Can motors: was AC?DC
I changed the title, as this seems to be the drift of the thread. Not to
alienated Steve, whom I consider a friend, but Can motors are not easily
replaced in all situations. I have a Flyonel SP GP loco that the original
can motor "bird nested" (the armature windings flew apart). This motor is
different then the present design, so I will have to replace the entire
truck to fix it. I've had it to repair for a few years now, and right now I
couldn't tell you what box it's in to even take another look at it!
I really need to finish the house remodel so I can get my stuff organized!
:)
Original flyer parts are still pretty plentiful, and as has been posted, the
open frame motors are extremely robust and will run for many decades more.
If one bird nests, it's not that hard to rewind them either! I really doubt
that I will be able to run my new stuff in 20 years. Egads, I may not be
running in 20 years!! YOICKS!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70312 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: was Polar Express Colors - now DCC vs Legacy/TMCC
Jim, my recommendation is to go with DCC.

Knowing you, I wonder if you really want any Lionel diesels. I have
gotten rid of all my Flyonel diesels. I own one AF GP7 for the grandson. I
will wait and see what MTH and Lionel offer in the future but I have no
interest at all in modern diesels. And I much prefer AM and SHS (especially the
F units) to any of the Lionel diesels. Part of the reason is that I do not
model any trains that need PAs but the main reason has to do with
operation. And the cost of Lionel PAs is ridiculous being that you only get one
powered unit. I hate operating the dummy units.

Now if you want to operate one of the Flyonel steam locos with TMCC or
Legacy, then that is another issue.

- Earl Henry, Nashville



In a message dated 8/24/2012 9:41:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
aztecfan@... writes:




First none of us are going to live 50 more years so DC motors will be fine.

Second I am using RR concepts units to run double reverse loops running 2
trains where one pulls over and slows down and stops while the other passes
by.

This system only works on DC.

Third to have auto control of my engines I need DCC and Legacy. That is 2
expensive systems, so if I buy just one new Lionel engine I have a mess.

I have yet to receive an answer to solve my problem.

Jim Sleeth

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70313 From: altwwer@sbcglobal.net Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Motors VS Can motors: was AC?DC
Most of the time I just follow the post and observe so I am sorry if this is in the wrong thread but there seams to be several threads on the same subject. As I see it there are three groups: those that are convinced that DC is the only way to go; those that are convinced that AC is the only weay to go; and those that are undecided for one reason or another and are stuck in the middle. The use of either in manufacturing is driven by cost and no other reason. In the OLD days DC was used by the scale industry mainly because the AC motors were too big to fit into the engines. DC motors were small but did not have much power, however, since the trains were small not much power was needed, it was a good fit. In the toy train market you had the AC universal motor. Why? The commercial power distribution system was AC. The AC motor was cheep, could be built simply, was robust, and was easy to control. The fact that it could run on DC was an added bonus in a time when AC power was not available everyware. Large DC motors were available but the cost of the controls was prohibitive for the mass market. Then along came Bell Labs, the semiconductor, and better manfacturing. Things inproved but to this day if you look you will find that except for the smallest things the AC universal motor is still used in almost all applicences. It is simple (cheep) and easy to control. Now comes the NMRA and an attempt to set some sort of standard for model train control. Thus DCC was born. For model trains it was a good fit. The motors were all DC and the electronics had progressed to the point that controls could be made cheeply and small enough. The toy market still remained with the AC motor for reasons of economy. It was still cheeper and the controls were simple. Yes Flyer had a stint with DC motors but they gave it up for economic reasons. Lionel developed a remote control system for the toy train market that ran on AC and controled the AC motor. Yes the original TMCC still used the AC universal motor in the engine. When production moved overseas the people showed the manufacturs how thay could use off the shelf small DC motors in their engines at a big savings in production cost. It was for this reason and no other that the DC motor replaced the AC motor in engines. This also explains why many of the accessories still use AC drive systems, follow the money. Much has and is being made about the fact that MTH's PS3 DCS system will run on DC and DCC as an indication that the future is in DC. Nothing is further from the truth. MTH brought out the PS3 system as a normal upgrade to its DCS system at a time when it was trying to get a foothold in the HO market. At this time and today the HO market is all DC and DCC. Nobody and I mean Nobody was going to make a dent trying to run AC or any AC system. So it became mandatory that the new PS3 syatem be capable of runing on DC and DCC. If the scale influence in S gauge continues to increase and the push to DC and DCC continues don't be supprised to see Lionel come out with some sort of plug in board that will allow their engines to utilitize those systems as well. After all, the electronics are cheep and all you need to do is change the control board. MTH and Lionel have spent a lot of money in the development of their systems and they are both firmly rooted in the toy train O scale market which is still AC. Don't expect any big change soon. So, which is better? Well the difference is about $5.00. That is about what it cost for the parts to put a switch and rectifier in to change your layout from one to the other.

Al

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <djdewey@...> wrote:
>
> I changed the title, as this seems to be the drift of the thread. Not to
> alienated Steve, whom I consider a friend, but Can motors are not easily
> replaced in all situations. I have a Flyonel SP GP loco that the original
> can motor "bird nested" (the armature windings flew apart). This motor is
> different then the present design, so I will have to replace the entire
> truck to fix it. I've had it to repair for a few years now, and right now I
> couldn't tell you what box it's in to even take another look at it!
> I really need to finish the house remodel so I can get my stuff organized!
> :)
> Original flyer parts are still pretty plentiful, and as has been posted, the
> open frame motors are extremely robust and will run for many decades more.
> If one bird nests, it's not that hard to rewind them either! I really doubt
> that I will be able to run my new stuff in 20 years. Egads, I may not be
> running in 20 years!! YOICKS!
> S'
> David D.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70314 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
I don't see why it wouldn't work. The insides of the locomotive as far
as whistle components go seems to be the same; a speaker connected in
series through a parallel capacitor and resistor to the rails. I know
the resistor is strictly optional, per Barker's book on Flyer repair.
The only thing that could differ is the value of the capacitor, whose
purpose was to tune out the 60 cycle hum from the power supply and
emphasize the 600 cycle whistle signal from the controller.

I have asked this question before and no one to my recollection had an
answer. I think the only thing to do is to try it. I would do it,
but I don't have any 1950 equipment to use in the test. Because the
sound is generated, not in the tender, but in the controller, I would
expect it to sound like whatever controller is used.

Dale Smith


On 8/24/2012 8:33 AM, Robert Graves wrote:
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> I know the 360/361 set came with its own "Electronic Whistle Control",
> but did it also work with the newer 708 Air Chime Whistle Control
> and/or 710 Steam Whistle Control?
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70315 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Re: We are going back to running AC
While there were clearly practical obstacles to the introduction of DC
in the late 40's and early 50's, such as the availability of rectifiers
with sufficient power for the larger Flyer motors, that isn't what
killed Gilbert's manufacture of DC locomotives. It was the Korean war
which created a shortage of Alnico, the best available substance at the
time for permanent magnets. Not only did Gilbert cease making DC
locomotives in 1951, but they also abandoned their HO line, only to
bring it back in 1955. Lionel was also affected, as they were forced
to produce locomotives without Magne-Traction around this same time.

Dale Smith


On 8/22/2012 6:04 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
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> By 1950, it was still not clear that DC was the way to go, even though
> the "technology" existed. Having gone "maverick" and changed to S
> gauge, Gilbert at least tried to add DC to their line.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70316 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: AC/DC
Different strokes for different folks. I don't tell anyone that they have to do what I do. I just explain what I do, why I did it, and they decide.

Am I concerned about having to replace my DC can motors fifty years from now? Was Gilbert concerned about fifty years hense? We only live in the "present." (Unless you're an H.G. Wells character.)

I'm in my sixties. Don't think I'll be playing with trains at age 115. But by then, there will probably be something better to replace worn out old motors with anyway.

DC cans are cheaper, run cooler, draw less power, eliminate the troublesome reverse unit, and make those old junk box engines I rebuild extremely reliable. They run for hours on my display layouts at train shows.

Because most of my S gauge train running is in public, I would rather run them than tinker with them while eyes are watching. Your needs may vary.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70317 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 8/24/2012
Subject: Need to light 9 AM big passenger cars.
Since I am going with a DCC compatible system I don't think I should buy AM's 3 light conversion. The bulbs would always be on high voltage.

Any idea on how many LED's I might need per car?


I have ad article on how to do this, but can't find it. Is there a web site showing what materials to get?


I want to light the observation car with 2 red LED's and well as a a drum light and roof light.

I may have an extra baggage car and observation car in UPS.

Any one have a AM UP B unit F3 for sale.

What do you think of using mini plugs connecting all 9 passenger cars?  Or may be 3 at a time to avoid flicker???????????

My new system will link both my A units to run at the same speed. The front one controls the second one by radio.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70318 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 8/25/2012
Subject: Re: Need to light 9 AM big passenger cars.
Check with Dallee Electronics. He has lighting strips for these.
Steve....SnS Trains


In a message dated 8/25/2012 12:01:29 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
aztecfan@... writes:




Since I am going with a DCC compatible system I don't think I should buy
AM's 3 light conversion. The bulbs would always be on high voltage.

Any idea on how many LED's I might need per car?

I have ad article on how to do this, but can't find it. Is there a web
site showing what materials to get?

I want to light the observation car with 2 red LED's and well as a a drum
light and roof light.

I may have an extra baggage car and observation car in UPS.

Any one have a AM UP B unit F3 for sale.

What do you think of using mini plugs connecting all 9 passenger cars? Or
may be 3 at a time to avoid flicker???????????

My new system will link both my A units to run at the same speed. The
front one controls the second one by radio.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70319 From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen Date: 8/25/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Robert,
The 361 horn is unique. It will only work with the separate horn control unit that came with the train set. The horn controller looks like a transformer and plugs into a 120VAC outlet like the transformer. It has a vacuum tube inside. You can see pictures of it in the literature.
By the way, the same horn is in the 324AC Hudson loco produced in 1950. That loco also requires the same control unit.
As to why it will not work with the later whistle control, I don't know. We'll need an electronics person to answer that. I do know that the speaker is somewhat different. It is encased in plastic, unlike the later speakers.
George

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70320 From: Rich Falzini Date: 8/25/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
I think the control box you refer to is a silver / gray box with a maroon lever

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 25, 2012, at 8:22 AM, "George & Ruthanne Sorensen" <rags46@...> wrote:

> Robert,
> The 361 horn is unique. It will only work with the separate horn control unit that came with the train set. The horn controller looks like a transformer and plugs into a 120VAC outlet like the transformer. It has a vacuum tube inside. You can see pictures of it in the literature.
> By the way, the same horn is in the 324AC Hudson loco produced in 1950. That loco also requires the same control unit.
> As to why it will not work with the later whistle control, I don't know. We'll need an electronics person to answer that. I do know that the speaker is somewhat different. It is encased in plastic, unlike the later speakers.
> George
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70321 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 8/25/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Thank you. That confirms my suspicions. I knew those two engines used the vacuum tube controller, but I never knew for sure whether it was compatible with the later controllers. I will update The Gilbert Gallery accordingly

Fortunately, I have two of those controllers in collections that I'm selling. I will dig them out and see if I can get one working.


On Aug 25, 2012, at 5:22 AM, "George & Ruthanne Sorensen" <rags46@...> wrote:

> Robert,
> The 361 horn is unique. It will only work with the separate horn control unit that came with the train set. The horn controller looks like a transformer and plugs into a 120VAC outlet like the transformer. It has a vacuum tube inside. You can see pictures of it in the literature.
> By the way, the same horn is in the 324AC Hudson loco produced in 1950. That loco also requires the same control unit.
> As to why it will not work with the later whistle control, I don't know. We'll need an electronics person to answer that. I do know that the speaker is somewhat different. It is encased in plastic, unlike the later speakers.
> George
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70322 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 8/25/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
I realize it was meant to be used with the vacuum tube whistle
controller, but has anyone ever tried working it with the 708 or 710
whistle controller?

Dale
On 8/25/2012 5:22 AM, George & Ruthanne Sorensen wrote:
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> Robert,
> The 361 horn is unique. It will only work with the separate horn
> control unit that came with the train set. The horn controller looks
> like a transformer and plugs into a 120VAC outlet like the
> transformer. It has a vacuum tube inside. You can see pictures of it
> in the literature.
> By the way, the same horn is in the 324AC Hudson loco produced in
> 1950. That loco also requires the same control unit.
> As to why it will not work with the later whistle control, I don't
> know. We'll need an electronics person to answer that. I do know that
> the speaker is somewhat different. It is encased in plastic, unlike
> the later speakers.
> George
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70323 From: tbennerohio Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Dale,

I have used mine with both the 708 and 710 controllers with no ill effect. On the inside of the B unit and the 324AC tender you will find the standard Gilbert speaker and capacitor/resistor setup.

A few years ago I rebuilt an unnumbered Electronic Whistle Contrller and it sounds much better than the vibrator type controllers, which sound much like a door buzzer.

Regards,
Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale F. Smith" <dalefsmith@...> wrote:
>
> I realize it was meant to be used with the vacuum tube whistle
> controller, but has anyone ever tried working it with the 708 or 710
> whistle controller?
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> Dale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70324 From: EDWARD Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Sunday Night Chat
Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Sunday Night Chat
Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats: This event repeats every week.
Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM
Group: S-Trains Message: 70325 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Are you saying that the 708 and 710 DO cause the "whistles" to blow in the 361 & 324AC, but that they don't sound as good as the unnumbered tube controller?  Does that mean the unnumbered tube controller will make the other Alco horns and steam whistles sound better?



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From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:49 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 361 horn


 
Dale,

I have used mine with both the 708 and 710 controllers with no ill effect. On the inside of the B unit and the 324AC tender you will find the standard Gilbert speaker and capacitor/resistor setup.

A few years ago I rebuilt an unnumbered Electronic Whistle Contrller and it sounds much better than the vibrator type controllers, which sound much like a door buzzer.

Regards,
Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale F. Smith" <dalefsmith@...> wrote:
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> I realize it was meant to be used with the vacuum tube whistle
> controller, but has anyone ever tried working it with the 708 or 710
> whistle controller?
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70326 From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Yes I have tried to use the other controllers with the 361. They don't work.
Rich is correct. The controller is a silver/grey box with a maroon lever.
Let me know if you get one working. Mine doesn't seem to work anymore. Maybe a bad tube.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70327 From: wb4hay Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: uninterrupted challenger
Guys, be patient with me on this one--I wanted to watch Carl's video of the challenger (s connection) I have stored in my documents file but now it will run only 10 seconds or so then stop and the little circle goes around for a few seconds then it starts again. I used to be able to watch it from start to finish without a pause. I know it is getting away from trains, but it affects my watching trains, so maybe it is slightly on subject. I'd appreciate your thoughts.

Kelly
Group: S-Trains Message: 70328 From: tbennerohio Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Saying they sound better is a matter of tatste. I think they do because it is possible to tune the Electronic Whistle Controller to a higher pitch. So it is closer to the realm of a whistle frequency.

Usually the tubes and capacitors in the controllers are bad. Replacing the caps with new electrolytics buys the unit a new life. Not a bad idea to replace the wax caps while you're at it. The line cords are usually shot too. But beware! There is 120 VAC in the tube element circuit. Take the usual warnings of shock, fire and lethal voltage.

I posted a couple of sound files of the control when I rebuilt my first one at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/elec_whistle/

Not great recordings but not bad for a cellphone.

Regards,
Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote:
>
> Are you saying that the 708 and 710 DO cause the "whistles" to blow in the 361 & 324AC, but that they don't sound as good as the unnumbered tube controller?  Does that mean the unnumbered tube controller will make the other Alco horns and steam whistles sound better?
>
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> From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:49 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 361 horn
>
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>  
> Dale,
>
> I have used mine with both the 708 and 710 controllers with no ill effect. On the inside of the B unit and the 324AC tender you will find the standard Gilbert speaker and capacitor/resistor setup.
>
> A few years ago I rebuilt an unnumbered Electronic Whistle Contrller and it sounds much better than the vibrator type controllers, which sound much like a door buzzer.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale F. Smith" <dalefsmith@> wrote:
> >
> > I realize it was meant to be used with the vacuum tube whistle
> > controller, but has anyone ever tried working it with the 708 or 710
> > whistle controller?
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70329 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Tim and George,

Thanks for your testing, even though the results are still mixed. I do
think Tim's testing makes it clear that it is possible to get it to work
with the other controllers. Tim's suggestion of a higher pitch to the
electronic controller may indicate a slightly different tuning in the
capacitor. Also, the difference may depend on the vibrator tube used
in the 708 or 710.

By the way, I have heard a 710 whistle controller and I think that is
the best of all. It employs a coil with a variable tap, which traverses
the coil when the whistle is blown, giving it a varying tone. It is
close to the billboard whistle in tone, except without the somewhat
whiney build up to full sound. It does require differently wired
vibrator tubes though.

Dale

On 8/26/2012 5:49 AM, tbennerohio wrote:
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> Dale,
>
> I have used mine with both the 708 and 710 controllers with no ill
> effect. On the inside of the B unit and the 324AC tender you will find
> the standard Gilbert speaker and capacitor/resistor setup.
>
> A few years ago I rebuilt an unnumbered Electronic Whistle Contrller
> and it sounds much better than the vibrator type controllers, which
> sound much like a door buzzer.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Dale F. Smith" <dalefsmith@...> wrote:
> >
> > I realize it was meant to be used with the vacuum tube whistle
> > controller, but has anyone ever tried working it with the 708 or 710
> > whistle controller?
> >
> > Dale
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70330 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Railpro
This was posted on another list..

http://ringengineering.com/RailProVideosPage.htm

Disclaimer: This is a non-standard control system. Discussion or use of such a system may get you labeled as a heathen or heritic. Your mileage may vary...

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70331 From: Robert Lampe Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
A company called Parts-Express specializes in electronics parts they might just have the tube. google them it's worth a try.

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: rags46@...
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:52:01 -0500
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 361 horn


























Yes I have tried to use the other controllers with the 361. They don't work.

Rich is correct. The controller is a silver/grey box with a maroon lever.

Let me know if you get one working. Mine doesn't seem to work anymore. Maybe a bad tube.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70332 From: Robert Lampe Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
A company called Parts-Express specializes in electronics parts they might just have the tube. google them it's worth a try.

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: rags46@...
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:52:01 -0500
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 361 horn


























Yes I have tried to use the other controllers with the 361. They don't work.

Rich is correct. The controller is a silver/grey box with a maroon lever.

Let me know if you get one working. Mine doesn't seem to work anymore. Maybe a bad tube.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70333 From: tbennerohio Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
I got my tubes at Antique Electronic Supply for $5.60 each after buying a $20.00 bad one on that auction site.

They had modern replacements for the caps and resistors too. NOS on the tubes.

http://www.tubesandmore.com/search/node/117p7gt


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote:
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> A company called Parts-Express specializes in electronics parts they might just have the tube. google them it's worth a try.
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> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70334 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Dale,

I agree with Tim that it will work with the 708 and 710. My personal
favorite is the Electronic Whistle Control Box. As mentioned by others,
you do have to replace the capacitors. I've re-built a couple and the
ability to "tune" the pitch is really a nice feature. You can adjust to
what is "right" for you!!

Daryl



On 8/26/2012 6:36 PM, Dale F. Smith wrote:
>
> Tim and George,
>
> Thanks for your testing, even though the results are still mixed. I do
> think Tim's testing makes it clear that it is possible to get it to work
> with the other controllers. Tim's suggestion of a higher pitch to the
> electronic controller may indicate a slightly different tuning in the
> capacitor. Also, the difference may depend on the vibrator tube used
> in the 708 or 710.
>
> By the way, I have heard a 710 whistle controller and I think that is
> the best of all. It employs a coil with a variable tap, which traverses
> the coil when the whistle is blown, giving it a varying tone. It is
> close to the billboard whistle in tone, except without the somewhat
> whiney build up to full sound. It does require differently wired
> vibrator tubes though.
>
> Dale
>
> On 8/26/2012 5:49 AM, tbennerohio wrote:
> >
> > Dale,
> >
> > I have used mine with both the 708 and 710 controllers with no ill
> > effect. On the inside of the B unit and the 324AC tender you will find
> > the standard Gilbert speaker and capacitor/resistor setup.
> >
> > A few years ago I rebuilt an unnumbered Electronic Whistle Contrller
> > and it sounds much better than the vibrator type controllers, which
> > sound much like a door buzzer.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tim Benner
> > Dayton, Ohio
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Dale F. Smith" <dalefsmith@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I realize it was meant to be used with the vacuum tube whistle
> > > controller, but has anyone ever tried working it with the 708 or 710
> > > whistle controller?
> > >
> > > Dale
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70335 From: EDWARD Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: From the S Scale list
From the S Scale list


Check this s_ _ _ out! When do you suppose the last auto-steam engine collision in the US was?

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/phillipsburg/index.ssf/2012/08/steam_engine_and_vehicle_colli.html#incart_river_default

Required S scale content: None, but this is just too astounding!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70336 From: s-scale@hcprobst.com Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Re: From the S Scale list
In this part of PA the engineer was probably trying to figure out what
that new fangled thing was on the track ahead of him. That is why they
have cow catchers (as opposed to what they needed, a cattle guard)
right.

The SUV driver probably said it came out of nowhere and was moving so
fast he didn't see it.

Carey


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Subject: [S-Trains] From the S Scale list
From: "EDWARD" <ejenterp@...>
Date: Sun, August 26, 2012 11:37 pm
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

From the S Scale list

Check this s_ _ _ out! When do you suppose the last auto-steam engine
collision in the US was?

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/phillipsburg/index.ssf/2012/08/steam_engine_and_vehicle_colli.html#incart_river_default


Required S scale content: None, but this is just too astounding!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70337 From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Tim,
Not to be picky, but your sound file is labeled 325AC not 324AC. Which one are you testing?
The 324AC does not have the standard flyer speaker used in the 325AC and later engines.
George

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70338 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Car vs. Train
I wonder how the driver's insurance agent reacted when the driver said he hit a steam engine? I'll bet there was a long pause.

It IS quite odd these days that a car and a steam locomotive would come together! Although in the modern world, such "meetings" are still too common. The score is always the same: Train 1, Car 0.

Back when trains were common all over the country, people were far more aware of them and the dangers involved. Today, they don't expect to see trains, and are too busy on their cell or handheld device to notice.

We train enthusiasts are a small minority who ARE aware. With railroads on a rebound, the day may come when the moronic masses who are driving today might have to notice. (Of course, observing how they act on the road in other ways, I have my doubts.) :-)
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70339 From: Alan Bennett Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Re: Car vs. Train
Hello friends,

Hopefully, neither this accident nor the recent tragedy in Ellicott City will result in additional restrictions being placed on the operator of the railroad for using their own right-of-way.

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:35 AM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

> I wonder how the driver's insurance agent reacted when the driver said he hit a steam engine? I'll bet there was a long pause.
>
> It IS quite odd these days that a car and a steam locomotive would come together! Although in the modern world, such "meetings" are still too common. The score is always the same: Train 1, Car 0.
>
> Back when trains were common all over the country, people were far more aware of them and the dangers involved. Today, they don't expect to see trains, and are too busy on their cell or handheld device to notice.
>
> We train enthusiasts are a small minority who ARE aware. With railroads on a rebound, the day may come when the moronic masses who are driving today might have to notice. (Of course, observing how they act on the road in other ways, I have my doubts.) :-)
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70340 From: Al Baker Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Lionel / AF Pacific question
Is this locomotive another model of the USRA Pacific - similar to the AF 28X series and AM Pacifics?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70341 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Re: Car vs. Train
There was another recent car locomotive accident involving a tourist railroad.  Unfortunately, that one resulted in the death of the car driver.  It occurred in Ohio at a crossing on the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad.

http://fox8.com/2012/07/13/scenic-railroad-train-hits-car-one-woman-killed/

 Mike Andrzejewski


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From: Alan Bennett <alansherry@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Car vs. Train


 
Hello friends,

Hopefully, neither this accident nor the recent tragedy in Ellicott City will result in additional restrictions being placed on the operator of the railroad for using their own right-of-way.

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:35 AM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

> I wonder how the driver's insurance agent reacted when the driver said he hit a steam engine? I'll bet there was a long pause.
>
> It IS quite odd these days that a car and a steam locomotive would come together! Although in the modern world, such "meetings" are still too common. The score is always the same: Train 1, Car 0.
>
> Back when trains were common all over the country, people were far more aware of them and the dangers involved. Today, they don't expect to see trains, and are too busy on their cell or handheld device to notice.
>
> We train enthusiasts are a small minority who ARE aware. With railroads on a rebound, the day may come when the moronic masses who are driving today might have to notice. (Of course, observing how they act on the road in other ways, I have my doubts.) :-)
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70342 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel / AF Pacific question
The Lionel engine is the only S Scale production model of a USRA Light
Pacific.



The AM Pacific is modeled after the HO Mantua Pacific, which was based on
the remodeled B&O President Class Pacifics, which by the time they were
rebuild did not resemble the USRA type at all.

The AF Pacific that is closest to the USRA in profile would be the C&NW,
which has a straight boiler and also is quite different.. and the NH, PRR
K5, and Royal Blue not at all close.



Only the wheel arrangement is identical between the various brands of
Pacifics.



Charlie Vlk







Is this locomotive another model of the USRA Pacific - similar to the AF 28X
series and AM Pacifics?





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70343 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Re: Car vs. Train
While they are not directly steam powered, Metro-Rail is putting in a new
commuter rail line through West Los Angeles over an old semi-abandoned RR
right-of-way near where I grew up. Because they don't have enough money to
do the project properly (I.E., underground or elevate), they are building
"at grade" crossings over several busy streets. I am sure it won't be too
long after opening the line for distracted drivers or pedestrians to have a
close encounter of the fatal kind.



Jerry F.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of mrstumpy50
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 7:36 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Car vs. Train





I wonder how the driver's insurance agent reacted when the driver said he
hit a steam engine? I'll bet there was a long pause.

It IS quite odd these days that a car and a steam locomotive would come
together! Although in the modern world, such "meetings" are still too
common. The score is always the same: Train 1, Car 0.

Back when trains were common all over the country, people were far more
aware of them and the dangers involved. Today, they don't expect to see
trains, and are too busy on their cell or handheld device to notice.

We train enthusiasts are a small minority who ARE aware. With railroads on a
rebound, the day may come when the moronic masses who are driving today
might have to notice. (Of course, observing how they act on the road in
other ways, I have my doubts.) :-)
Stumpy in Ahia





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70344 From: tbennerohio Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
George,

That was indeed a 325AC with the all pressed-paper speaker in the sound files. The 326 with the "cat can" speaker sounds about the same. I have had my 324AC up there and don't recall it sounding any different. The speaker doesn't seem to make much of a difference. The capacitor does. Since I am an operator, not a collector, I have no qualms about replacing the capacitors and removing the resistors on all speaker equipped tenders (and B units) as soon as I get them... if it is something I am going to run. If I recall, 22mfd is the sweet spot for the most sound and least noise. A lower value (have tried down to 4.7mfd) passes more sound but more noise and a higher value filters out more noise and reduces overall volume.

The vibrator type and electronic whistle controls do the same thing but in different ways. They both introduce a higher frequency signal to the 60 cycle track power. The vibrators do it electromechanically. The electronic control does it with a pair of oscillators, each firing a neon bulb at very high frequency. The tuning is actually adjusting one of the oscillators to a slightly different frequency, producing "beats" when they do fire simultaneously. These "beats" or spikes are mixed with track power. The capacitor filters out the 60Hz hum and the speaker sounds the pitch produced by the beats, somewhat distorted by the 60Hz.

The funny thing about all of this is that I don't even user the AF whistles any more, although I keep that option for the Holidays. All of my runners are equipped with a speaker cutoff so I can run them on TMCC conventional (track) control. The TMCC works with AM sound which I prefer. I seem to be drifting to slower, more scale-like running, even on that ceiling level layout. The next step (coming soon) is an 11 x 20 hi-rail layout. At that point I will return the ceiling level layout to all AF conventional power and whistles.

Regards,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "George & Ruthanne Sorensen" <rags46@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
> Not to be picky, but your sound file is labeled 325AC not 324AC. Which one are you testing?
> The 324AC does not have the standard flyer speaker used in the 325AC and later engines.
> George
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70345 From: Robert Lampe Date: 8/27/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Can someone provide me names address and phone and web address of companies that have S Scale catalogs

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: tim.benner@...
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 20:36:57 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 361 horn


























George,



That was indeed a 325AC with the all pressed-paper speaker in the sound files. The 326 with the "cat can" speaker sounds about the same. I have had my 324AC up there and don't recall it sounding any different. The speaker doesn't seem to make much of a difference. The capacitor does. Since I am an operator, not a collector, I have no qualms about replacing the capacitors and removing the resistors on all speaker equipped tenders (and B units) as soon as I get them... if it is something I am going to run. If I recall, 22mfd is the sweet spot for the most sound and least noise. A lower value (have tried down to 4.7mfd) passes more sound but more noise and a higher value filters out more noise and reduces overall volume.



The vibrator type and electronic whistle controls do the same thing but in different ways. They both introduce a higher frequency signal to the 60 cycle track power. The vibrators do it electromechanically. The electronic control does it with a pair of oscillators, each firing a neon bulb at very high frequency. The tuning is actually adjusting one of the oscillators to a slightly different frequency, producing "beats" when they do fire simultaneously. These "beats" or spikes are mixed with track power. The capacitor filters out the 60Hz hum and the speaker sounds the pitch produced by the beats, somewhat distorted by the 60Hz.



The funny thing about all of this is that I don't even user the AF whistles any more, although I keep that option for the Holidays. All of my runners are equipped with a speaker cutoff so I can run them on TMCC conventional (track) control. The TMCC works with AM sound which I prefer. I seem to be drifting to slower, more scale-like running, even on that ceiling level layout. The next step (coming soon) is an 11 x 20 hi-rail layout. At that point I will return the ceiling level layout to all AF conventional power and whistles.



Regards,



Tim Benner

Dayton, Ohio



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "George & Ruthanne Sorensen" <rags46@...> wrote:

>

> Tim,

> Not to be picky, but your sound file is labeled 325AC not 324AC. Which one are you testing?

> The 324AC does not have the standard flyer speaker used in the 325AC and later engines.

> George

>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70346 From: Mark Mugnai Date: 8/28/2012
Subject: Re: Back to Bashing on My Flyer Trains
Looks interesting; am looking forward to the article on "how to"...

Mark in Oregon

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> This month's "Stumpy's Station" on Chuck Harrington's "My Flyer Trains" website (myflyertrains.org) is a preview of coming attractions! It shows the resulting locomotive of a multiple part series showing the step by step Kit Bashing of a #303 Atlantic which begins next month.
> The photo can be studied now to see the subtle and not so subtle changes made in the construction of this engine.
> Be sure to take a look!
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70347 From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen Date: 8/28/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Thanks Tim.
That was a great explaination on the technical side of the whistles. I have always looked for exact replacements on the capacitors instead of trying other combinations like you have done.
George

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70348 From: wb4hay Date: 8/28/2012
Subject: ACL caboose
Has anyone got a surplus ACL caboose???

Kelly
Group: S-Trains Message: 70349 From: johntech Date: 8/28/2012
Subject: Rotary Dumper update
I got the bearing blocks milled today and got the bearings fitted in place.
I have a temporary base hot glued together to get the final measurements.
I have a short video of me turning it by hand, works nice but no place to upload it.

Here is the link to the updated pictures. sorry no links to the video.

http://tinyurl.com/45xdqdq


John Frankforther

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70350 From: Brady Burdge Date: 8/28/2012
Subject: Re: Rotary Dumper update
John,

Youtube accounts are free, good place for that video

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: johntech <beebear@...>
Sent: Tue Aug 28 21:50:54 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Rotary Dumper update




I got the bearing blocks milled today and got the bearings fitted in place.
I have a temporary base hot glued together to get the final measurements.
I have a short video of me turning it by hand, works nice but no place to upload it.

Here is the link to the updated pictures. sorry no links to the video.

http://tinyurl.com/45xdqdq

John Frankforther

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70351 From: johntech Date: 8/29/2012
Subject: Youtube video
Thanks for that info Brady!

Here is the link to my S gauge rotary dumper. It still needs work and paint
but it is coming along slowly!

http://youtu.be/1jAwdWIp970

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70352 From: Jerry Date: 8/29/2012
Subject: Re: Youtube video
Hi John,

Extremely cool! The imagineering looks great and must be a lot of fun.
Now, after spending a bit of money making such a cool piece of model
railroad equipment, all you need to do is start production of a kit for
it, and you can lose a lot more cash! (kidding - sort of).

But seriously, it's a great looking and smooth operating piece. Keeps
us all apprised as to progress.

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "johntech" <beebear@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for that info Brady!
>
> Here is the link to my S gauge rotary dumper. It still needs work and
paint
> but it is coming along slowly!
>
> http://youtu.be/1jAwdWIp970
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70353 From: Tom Hawley Date: 8/29/2012
Subject: Rotary Dumper
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry
. . . . . . . . . . . Now, after spending a bit of money making such a
cool piece of model
railroad equipment, all you need to do is start production of a kit for it,
and you can lose a lot more cash! (kidding - sort of).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Why not? Assuming an S gauge CoalPorter from Des Plaines Hobbies -(SSA17011
COALPORTER/BNSF #667973 and 9 more road numbers) will fit in it, it would
be great for modern S gaugers and would help Des Plaines sell more of those
cars.

Real ones can be seen at

http://www.pbase.com/tgcostello/bnsf_5898__denver_tgnx_coalporters&page=all

Next, work on rotary couplers. I think Lionel has them.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 70354 From: johntech Date: 8/29/2012
Subject: Re: Youtube video
Thanks for looking Jerry

Probably not a lot of people interested in a rotary dumper.
Maybe if I put it on EBay as a very rare AF piece I can find
at collector who will really want one and pay me thousands
of dollars for it. lol

It is nice having a small inexpensive milling machine to be
able to make the parts you need on hand. If it weren't for that
it would have still been an idea on paper

It takes scratch building to a new level.

John
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:56 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Youtube video



Hi John,

Extremely cool! The imagineering looks great and must be a lot of fun.
Now, after spending a bit of money making such a cool piece of model
railroad equipment, all you need to do is start production of a kit for
it, and you can lose a lot more cash! (kidding - sort of).

But seriously, it's a great looking and smooth operating piece. Keeps
us all apprised as to progress.

Jerry




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70355 From: jtkeating Date: 8/29/2012
Subject: Flyonel Big Boy Smoke Output
Good Evening List Members,
I have a question on smoke output from a Flyonel Big Boy Loco; this evening I had a guest who operated my loco with my Legacy controller; smoke output was fine until at some point I believe my guest inadvertantly pushed another sequence of buttons and now I have no smoke output. I have tried all methods as found in the instructions but no luck. Have added additional smoke fluid also. All information provided to return smoke production would be greatly appreciated. Thank You in advance for your help.
John Keating
Group: S-Trains Message: 70356 From: Roy Meissner Date: 8/30/2012
Subject: Fall S Fest
Just a reminder that the deadline for the early bird registration fee for the Fall S Fest is tommorrow. It must be postarked by tommorrow. If you want a table in the trading hall, they are almost sold out. Any others will go in the hallway next to the trading room. We have to have the banquet count in a few days before the S Fest. If you wait until the S Fest, we can not guarantee you a banquet. You don't want to miss our speaker, Bob Ristow, who will tell us "How Long Does it Take to Build a Steam Locomotive".

Roy J Meissner
registrar

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70357 From: johntech Date: 8/30/2012
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Roy

When and where is the Fall S fest

John
----- Original Message -----
From: Roy Meissner
To: S Scale List ; S Trains List
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:05 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest



Just a reminder that the deadline for the early bird registration fee for the Fall S Fest is tommorrow. It must be postarked by tommorrow. If you want a table in the trading hall, they are almost sold out. Any others will go in the hallway next to the trading room. We have to have the banquet count in a few days before the S Fest. If you wait until the S Fest, we can not guarantee you a banquet. You don't want to miss our speaker, Bob Ristow, who will tell us "How Long Does it Take to Build a Steam Locomotive".

Roy J Meissner
registrar

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70358 From: Jim Date: 8/30/2012
Subject: Train TV Spots
Hi All -

You've probably read about the big Lionel-based O-gauge display BNSF has put together to promote their RR>

Another TV spot I've seen ran several times is for Northern Pacific. It has a toy (or model) train start up and run through a room of come-to-life toys. The message is that where trains run, things come to life. I've seen this spot three or four times and I've tried to see what gauge the train is. Sure looks two rail, but I could be wrong. What do you think? HO? S? 2-rail O gauge?

Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70359 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 8/30/2012
Subject: Fwd: {S-Scale List} One-Day Meet in Orlando, FL
Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Bill & Diane, B.T.S. " <wadepub@...>
> Date: August 30, 2012 10:06:58 AM PDT
> To: 9 - S-Scale <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: {S-Scale List} One-Day Meet in Orlando, FL
> Reply-To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> I was asked that I let you know about a one-day meet that is now
> open to S SCALE modelers. Info below.
>
> Take care
> Bill
>
>
>
>
> FLORIDA O-SCALERS FALL MEET
>
>
>
> Hello 2-Rail O-Scalers (Standard and narrow gauge) and S-Gaugers
>
>
>
> The 13th Annual O scale meet has been arranged for September 29th,
> Orlando, FL. We will have the usual swap session, popular vote
> model contest, and clinics, lasting from 15 min. to 30 min. The
> meeting will again be held at the Holiday Inn Orlando International
> Airport, were we have met in the past. We are again extending the
> invitation to all S Scalers in the region. I decided to move it up
> a little bit this year and hope it won�t be a heartache for you.
> We hope you can make it.
>
>
>
> Motel registration is $92.00 per night, but you must
> inform the motel that you are with the Florida O-Scalers. Please
> state the code �OCA� when making your reservation. The rate is
> available based on availability until September 21, 2012.
> Registration can be made by calling the hotel at 407-851-6400.
> The hotel is located at 5750 T.G. Lee Blvd which is just off
> Semoran Blvd (SR-436) and the Beach Line Expressway (SR-528).
>
>
>
> Meeting Events
>
>
>
> 1) The swap session will be from 9:00 am to noon. Set up
> will start at 8:00 am. Table rental will be $15.00 ea. The room
> will be locked and secured from noon to just after 1:00 PM for lunch.
>
>
>
> 2) The clinics will start about 1:30 pm. We are planning to
> have a couple of half hour clinics, and what ever you might wish to
> share. We still have slots open for your mini-clinic (15 minutes
> max.). If you have a unique way of doing a specific job we would
> like to learn and hear about it. You don�t have to be a great
> speaker with slides etc. Just show us a better way to do
> something! Please call me at 407-306-0864, or email me at
> bigwiggs@... to get on the program.
>
>
>
> 3) We will have a popular vote contests for both scales on
> any rail equipment or RR associated structure. Bring your latest
> effort. Even if you don�t think it is �museum quality� we will
> still enjoy seeing what you have completed (it doesn�t have to be
> finished). You may win a prize.
>
>
>
> Registration for the meet is $20.00 (no admission fee for spouses
> and children under 16.)
>
> Table rental is $15.00. We only have space for 20 tables so get
> your reservations in early.
>
>
>
> Please send your registration to: David Wiggs
>
> 8858
> Reparto Ave
>
>
> Orlando, FL 32825-8324
>
>
> If you have any questions regarding the meet OR SUGGESTIONS FOR
> IMPROVING THE MEET, please call me at 407-306-0864 or email:
> bigwiggs@...
>
>
>
> David Wiggs
>
> July 10, 2012
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> == Scale Model Railroad Products ==
> == Manufacturer - Retailer - Importer ==
>
> Bill and Diane Wade
>
> B.T.S.
> RR 1 Box 141A
> Belington, WV 26250
>
> Phone: 304-823-3729
> FAX: 304-823-2901
> http://www.btsrr.com
>
> We wish you Fair Winds and Following Seas.
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70360 From: Doug S Date: 8/30/2012
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
google almost any combination of "s-fest 2012" and you should get what you need. Hope you can make it there!

Doug Stoll,
webmaster.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "johntech" <beebear@...> wrote:
>
> Roy
>
> When and where is the Fall S fest
>
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roy Meissner
> To: S Scale List ; S Trains List
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:05 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest
>
>
>
> Just a reminder that the deadline for the early bird registration fee for the Fall S Fest is tommorrow. It must be postarked by tommorrow. If you want a table in the trading hall, they are almost sold out. Any others will go in the hallway next to the trading room. We have to have the banquet count in a few days before the S Fest. If you wait until the S Fest, we can not guarantee you a banquet. You don't want to miss our speaker, Bob Ristow, who will tell us "How Long Does it Take to Build a Steam Locomotive".
>
> Roy J Meissner
> registrar
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70361 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/31/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
I opened up my 361 and found a wire was disconnected.  I soldered it onto the top of the truck mount, but it still doesn't work.  I used my voltmeter to check whether I'm getting power to the speaker and found that the entire voltage drop is across the capacitor; is that as it should be, or does it tell me that the capacitor is shot?  Is there a way I can test it?  What does it cost to replace it?


Also, the capacitor is 3 MFD.  From what Tim said, it sounds like I should be getting all sorts of noise through it!

What do you advise?



________________________________
From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 1:36 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 361 horn


 
George,

That was indeed a 325AC with the all pressed-paper speaker in the sound files. The 326 with the "cat can" speaker sounds about the same. I have had my 324AC up there and don't recall it sounding any different. The speaker doesn't seem to make much of a difference. The capacitor does. Since I am an operator, not a collector, I have no qualms about replacing the capacitors and removing the resistors on all speaker equipped tenders (and B units) as soon as I get them... if it is something I am going to run. If I recall, 22mfd is the sweet spot for the most sound and least noise. A lower value (have tried down to 4.7mfd) passes more sound but more noise and a higher value filters out more noise and reduces overall volume.

The vibrator type and electronic whistle controls do the same thing but in different ways. They both introduce a higher frequency signal to the 60 cycle track power. The vibrators do it electromechanically. The electronic control does it with a pair of oscillators, each firing a neon bulb at very high frequency. The tuning is actually adjusting one of the oscillators to a slightly different frequency, producing "beats" when they do fire simultaneously. These "beats" or spikes are mixed with track power. The capacitor filters out the 60Hz hum and the speaker sounds the pitch produced by the beats, somewhat distorted by the 60Hz.

The funny thing about all of this is that I don't even user the AF whistles any more, although I keep that option for the Holidays. All of my runners are equipped with a speaker cutoff so I can run them on TMCC conventional (track) control. The TMCC works with AM sound which I prefer. I seem to be drifting to slower, more scale-like running, even on that ceiling level layout. The next step (coming soon) is an 11 x 20 hi-rail layout. At that point I will return the ceiling level layout to all AF conventional power and whistles.

Regards,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "George & Ruthanne Sorensen" <rags46@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
> Not to be picky, but your sound file is labeled 325AC not 324AC. Which one are you testing?
> The 324AC does not have the standard flyer speaker used in the 325AC and later engines.
> George
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70362 From: Tim Benner Date: 8/31/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
Robert,

You might want to test the speaker leads for continuity. If you have
continuity there then the old capacitor is likely open.

You should be able to pick up a 4.7 mfd electrolytic (which is about as
close as you are going to find to a 3mfd) axial capacitor at Radio Shack in
a 2 pack for around two dollars. The important part is that it is rated
for at least 35 volts. 50 volts is better (safer).

Let us know how it turns out.

Regards,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio




On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Robert Graves
<theupstairstrain@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> I opened up my 361 and found a wire was disconnected. I soldered it onto
> the top of the truck mount, but it still doesn't work. I used my voltmeter
> to check whether I'm getting power to the speaker and found that the entire
> voltage drop is across the capacitor; is that as it should be, or does it
> tell me that the capacitor is shot? Is there a way I can test it? What
> does it cost to replace it?
>
> Also, the capacitor is 3 MFD. From what Tim said, it sounds like I should
> be getting all sorts of noise through it!
>
> What do you advise?
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 1:36 PM
>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 361 horn
>
>
>
> George,
>
> That was indeed a 325AC with the all pressed-paper speaker in the sound
> files. The 326 with the "cat can" speaker sounds about the same. I have had
> my 324AC up there and don't recall it sounding any different. The speaker
> doesn't seem to make much of a difference. The capacitor does. Since I am
> an operator, not a collector, I have no qualms about replacing the
> capacitors and removing the resistors on all speaker equipped tenders (and
> B units) as soon as I get them... if it is something I am going to run. If
> I recall, 22mfd is the sweet spot for the most sound and least noise. A
> lower value (have tried down to 4.7mfd) passes more sound but more noise
> and a higher value filters out more noise and reduces overall volume.
>
> The vibrator type and electronic whistle controls do the same thing but in
> different ways. They both introduce a higher frequency signal to the 60
> cycle track power. The vibrators do it electromechanically. The electronic
> control does it with a pair of oscillators, each firing a neon bulb at very
> high frequency. The tuning is actually adjusting one of the oscillators to
> a slightly different frequency, producing "beats" when they do fire
> simultaneously. These "beats" or spikes are mixed with track power. The
> capacitor filters out the 60Hz hum and the speaker sounds the pitch
> produced by the beats, somewhat distorted by the 60Hz.
>
> The funny thing about all of this is that I don't even user the AF
> whistles any more, although I keep that option for the Holidays. All of my
> runners are equipped with a speaker cutoff so I can run them on TMCC
> conventional (track) control. The TMCC works with AM sound which I prefer.
> I seem to be drifting to slower, more scale-like running, even on that
> ceiling level layout. The next step (coming soon) is an 11 x 20 hi-rail
> layout. At that point I will return the ceiling level layout to all AF
> conventional power and whistles.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "George & Ruthanne Sorensen" <rags46@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Tim,
> > Not to be picky, but your sound file is labeled 325AC not 324AC. Which
> one are you testing?
> > The 324AC does not have the standard flyer speaker used in the 325AC and
> later engines.
> > George
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70363 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/31/2012
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 9/15/2012, 12:00 am
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Flyer Fest West
 
Date:   Saturday September 15, 2012
Time:   12:00 am - 12:00 am
Notes:   Carl Rudolph
FFW2012@...
209-586-9905
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70364 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/31/2012
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 9/15/2012, 12:00 am
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Flyer Fest West
 
Date:   Saturday September 15, 2012
Time:   12:00 am - 12:00 am
Location:   Galt, CA
Notes:   Carl Rudolph
FFW2012@...
209-586-9905
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70365 From: Rich Date: 8/31/2012
Subject: diesel roar vs horn
Folks - can someone point out the distinctions - in terms of the parts and wiring - between the "diesel roar" and the "air chime" or "horn". I've looked at the K-line book and Tom Barker's repair book and I'm still confused. I presume the "horn" or "air chime" is based on a modulated waveform superimposed on the AC track power??

thanks,

Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 70366 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/31/2012
Subject: Re: 361 horn
That did it - my horn works.  Thank you very much.



________________________________
From: Tim Benner <tim.benner@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 361 horn


 
Robert,

You might want to test the speaker leads for continuity. If you have
continuity there then the old capacitor is likely open.

You should be able to pick up a 4.7 mfd electrolytic (which is about as
close as you are going to find to a 3mfd) axial capacitor at Radio Shack in
a 2 pack for around two dollars. The important part is that it is rated
for at least 35 volts. 50 volts is better (safer).

Let us know how it turns out.

Regards,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Robert Graves
<theupstairstrain@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> I opened up my 361 and found a wire was disconnected. I soldered it onto
> the top of the truck mount, but it still doesn't work. I used my voltmeter
> to check whether I'm getting power to the speaker and found that the entire
> voltage drop is across the capacitor; is that as it should be, or does it
> tell me that the capacitor is shot? Is there a way I can test it? What
> does it cost to replace it?
>
> Also, the capacitor is 3 MFD. From what Tim said, it sounds like I should
> be getting all sorts of noise through it!
>
> What do you advise?
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 1:36 PM
>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 361 horn
>
>
>
> George,
>
> That was indeed a 325AC with the all pressed-paper speaker in the sound
> files. The 326 with the "cat can" speaker sounds about the same. I have had
> my 324AC up there and don't recall it sounding any different. The speaker
> doesn't seem to make much of a difference. The capacitor does. Since I am
> an operator, not a collector, I have no qualms about replacing the
> capacitors and removing the resistors on all speaker equipped tenders (and
> B units) as soon as I get them... if it is something I am going to run. If
> I recall, 22mfd is the sweet spot for the most sound and least noise. A
> lower value (have tried down to 4.7mfd) passes more sound but more noise
> and a higher value filters out more noise and reduces overall volume.
>
> The vibrator type and electronic whistle controls do the same thing but in
> different ways. They both introduce a higher frequency signal to the 60
> cycle track power. The vibrators do it electromechanically. The electronic
> control does it with a pair of oscillators, each firing a neon bulb at very
> high frequency. The tuning is actually adjusting one of the oscillators to
> a slightly different frequency, producing "beats" when they do fire
> simultaneously. These "beats" or spikes are mixed with track power. The
> capacitor filters out the 60Hz hum and the speaker sounds the pitch
> produced by the beats, somewhat distorted by the 60Hz.
>
> The funny thing about all of this is that I don't even user the AF
> whistles any more, although I keep that option for the Holidays. All of my
> runners are equipped with a speaker cutoff so I can run them on TMCC
> conventional (track) control. The TMCC works with AM sound which I prefer.
> I seem to be drifting to slower, more scale-like running, even on that
> ceiling level layout. The next step (coming soon) is an 11 x 20 hi-rail
> layout. At that point I will return the ceiling level layout to all AF
> conventional power and whistles.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "George & Ruthanne Sorensen" <rags46@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Tim,
> > Not to be picky, but your sound file is labeled 325AC not 324AC. Which
> one are you testing?
> > The 324AC does not have the standard flyer speaker used in the 325AC and
> later engines.
> > George
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70367 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 9/1/2012
Subject: Re: diesel roar vs horn
Hi Rich,
� If you have the K-Line Book go to page 136. It shows the PA13A870 Sound Generator and the wiring for the diesel roar.  Page 113 shows the wiring for the Air Chime.
� Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: Rich <richs009@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 6:19 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] diesel roar vs horn


 
Folks - can someone point out the distinctions - in terms of the parts and wiring - between the "diesel roar" and the "air chime" or "horn". I've looked at the K-line book and Tom Barker's repair book and I'm still confused. I presume the "horn" or "air chime" is based on a modulated waveform superimposed on the AC track power??

thanks,

Rich




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70368 From: DonR Date: 9/1/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer Fest West, 9/15/2012, 12:00 am
Further information on FFW 2012, September 15th:

Location: SES Hall, Elk Grove, CA (Sacramento area)

Time: Trading hall opens at 11:00am followed by train races and banquet.

Contact information is as in previous post

Carl Rudolph
FFW2012@...
209-586-9905

See you there.


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>
> Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/cal
>
> Flyer Fest West
> Saturday September 15, 2012
> 12:00 am - 12:00 am
> Location: Galt, CA
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70369 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 9/1/2012
Subject: Re: AF #935/979 Caboose Decal Set+ (Advertisement)
Hi Dave

Can you please make me 2 sets of decals for the 24634 please let me know have sent you several e mails with no response

Thanks Stan
----- Original Message -----
From: David
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:51 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF #935/979 Caboose Decal Set+ (Advertisement)




By request we have added a decal set+ in YELLOW TEXT for the AF #935 &
#979 bay window cabooses. This decal set+ includes the numbers for both
cabooses.

Please view in the American Flyer section of our web site at:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html>

Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70370 From: rdgroup427@yahoo.com Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: Texas storage wars
The father son team purchased a locker with an HO track mounted on a board. Then he pulls out of a box of trains an american flyer crane car and puts it up against the HO track and states this doesn't even fit the track. Wonder what else was in the box?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70371 From: DonR Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: Flyer Fest West 2012 CP< Boxcar
I was told my our chairman yesterday that there are a few Commemoraive boxcars available. It is a very attractive CP< boxcar. The Camino, Placerville, and Lake Tahoe shortline was operated by the Michigan-California lumber company. For information and photo contact the chairperson at FFW2012@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 70372 From: Bob Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: New American Flyer Product
S-Gaugers, please check out my wesite at www.americanflyertrains4u.com. I've added a small number of brand new S-Helper cars under a new tab. I'll be adding more as demand dictates, and for specifc cars you are looking for to fill your collection needs in the future since S-Helper has been discontinued.

Also, I've listed a brand new 1986/1988 Santa Fe GP-20 duo, in boxes, with a free SF Bay Window caboose for the TM price of $355.00. I'll be adding more American Flyer soon including MoPac 21922/1, and a custom made UP 21925/1 with bell.

We hope you are enjoying the Labor Day Holiday. Take care.

Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 70373 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: Re: Texas storage wars
pt1 We went to straighten up our storage unit and found the following. An American Flyer train set in original box pt2 next


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70374 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: Re: Texas storage wars
pt2 We also found a box factory printed Allstate Electric Train. The locomotive is a Marx 3 rail. Definitely sold by Sears.

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: rdgroup427@...
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 16:06:50 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Texas storage wars


























The father son team purchased a locker with an HO track mounted on a board. Then he pulls out of a box of trains an american flyer crane car and puts it up against the HO track and states this doesn't even fit the track. Wonder what else was in the box?


























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Group: S-Trains Message: 70375 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: Re: Texas storage wars
pt3 The Flyer box is number 20705 and is called a Pioneer Flyer. It's a low end 4-4-0 number 21165 has a green T&P gondola

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: rdgroup427@...
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 16:06:50 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Texas storage wars


























The father son team purchased a locker with an HO track mounted on a board. Then he pulls out of a box of trains an american flyer crane car and puts it up against the HO track and states this doesn't even fit the track. Wonder what else was in the box?


























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Group: S-Trains Message: 70376 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: Re: Texas storage wars
pt3 The gon has number C 2009 and on the bottom is number 9986. There is a white boxcar of a type I've never seen with Mounds

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: rdgroup427@...
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 16:06:50 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Texas storage wars


























The father son team purchased a locker with an HO track mounted on a board. Then he pulls out of a box of trains an american flyer crane car and puts it up against the HO track and states this doesn't even fit the track. Wonder what else was in the box?


























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Group: S-Trains Message: 70377 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: Re: Texas storage wars
pt4 The Mounds car has number 24057 Lastly a caboose and 10 sections of Pikemaster track to make a small oval and transformer

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: rdgroup427@...
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 16:06:50 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Texas storage wars


























The father son team purchased a locker with an HO track mounted on a board. Then he pulls out of a box of trains an american flyer crane car and puts it up against the HO track and states this doesn't even fit the track. Wonder what else was in the box?


























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Group: S-Trains Message: 70378 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/2/2012
Subject: Re: Texas storage wars
pt5 Sorry this took so long group but had to use my cell phone and it limits me to 125 characters per message

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: rdgroup427@...
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 16:06:50 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Texas storage wars


























The father son team purchased a locker with an HO track mounted on a board. Then he pulls out of a box of trains an american flyer crane car and puts it up against the HO track and states this doesn't even fit the track. Wonder what else was in the box?


























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Group: S-Trains Message: 70379 From: johntech Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: A Train layint it's own tracks
You may have seen this already but it's cool to watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUOUXnuCLOU&NR=1&feature=endscreen

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70380 From: mike gardner Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Flyer knuckle couplers
I recently purchased a partial flyer train at a flea market and need some advice on the couplers. The cars were not packaged to protect them and the couplers rusted inside. Is there any chemical I could soak them in to remove the rust and free up the locked coupler. Thanks to all who answer in advance. Mike Gardner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70381 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Flyer knuckle couplers
A shot of penetrating oil into the knuckle pivot and the uncoupling weight openings of the coupler body should do. Allow it to set and work it's way into the internal areas before trying to work the coupler. Depending on how bad it's stuck, repeated treatments with penetrant may be necessary.
Once free, a drop of good regular oil will allow it to loosen further and operate freely. Do not over oil.
This has worked for dozens of junk box finds that I've tinkered with.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70382 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: A Train Laying it's own tracks
This looks very much like a German promotional film about rebuilding trackage which I saw about ten years ago. Back then, concrete ties and continuous rail were established standards in Europe. Most of the American Class One railroads have similar equipment.
Gone are the days of men swinging sledgehammers and crews hand tamping ballast while they chanted a rythmic tune. You see that type of work only in special circumstances or on tourist roads for the most part today. Otherwise joined rail and wooden ties are slowly disappearing.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70383 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Want to Buy/Trade - AFL Non-Powered Chassis
Hi All,

I have an AFL Silver Flash 479 that has the powered chassis instead of the non-powered chassis. I am looking for a non-powered chassis to buy or possibly work a trade for the powered chassis. If you are interested email me at: bull_gator_1 (at) yahoo (dot) com.

Thanks,

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 70384 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: A Train laying it's own tracks
Hi All,

Way back in the late 1970s I lived in a small town in Alabama and worked in a chemical plant just north of there. The railroad spent several weeks replacing the old bolted track with welded track using a similar system. This one pulled the rail fasteners, removed the old wooden ties, threw the ties along the right-of-way, removed the track and stored it on flat cars with racks. The welded track was also stored on the same racks. As I recall the welded track sections extended several flat cars. The new ties were placed, the welded track was installed and ballast was replaced all in one continuous "train". They came buy a little later and loaded the old ties onto flat cars using back hoes and manual labor.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 70385 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: A Train Laying it's own tracks
If you ever rode a train in pre Amtrak days and today you know what Stumpy is talking about smoother ride.

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: mrstumpy@...
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 13:43:32 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:A Train Laying it's own tracks


























This looks very much like a German promotional film about rebuilding trackage which I saw about ten years ago. Back then, concrete ties and continuous rail were established standards in Europe. Most of the American Class One railroads have similar equipment.

Gone are the days of men swinging sledgehammers and crews hand tamping ballast while they chanted a rythmic tune. You see that type of work only in special circumstances or on tourist roads for the most part today. Otherwise joined rail and wooden ties are slowly disappearing.

Stumpy in Ahia


























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Group: S-Trains Message: 70386 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer knuckle couplers
If the spring is rusted, just replace the entire coupler. They are
inexpensive.
Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 9/3/2012 7:18:32 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
tamerlane_46@... writes:




I recently purchased a partial flyer train at a flea market and need some
advice on the couplers. The cars were not packaged to protect them and the
couplers rusted inside. Is there any chemical I could soak them in to remove
the rust and free up the locked coupler. Thanks to all who answer in
advance. Mike Gardner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70387 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: A Train Laying it's own tracks
GENTS:

YOU CAN REALLY TELL THE DIFFERENCE WHEN RIDING A RAILCAR, ( PUTT PUTT),
Rail inspection motor car or what ever U want to call them.

AL , in Hamilton


On 9/3/12 11:53 AM, "Robert Lampe" <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> If you ever rode a train in pre Amtrak days and today you know what Stumpy is
> talking about smoother ride.
>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> From: mrstumpy@... <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net>
> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 13:43:32 +0000
> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:A Train Laying it's own tracks
>
> This looks very much like a German promotional film about rebuilding trackage
> which I saw about ten years ago. Back then, concrete ties and continuous rail
> were established standards in Europe. Most of the American Class One
> railroads have similar equipment.
>
> Gone are the days of men swinging sledgehammers and crews hand tamping ballast
> while they chanted a rythmic tune. You see that type of work only in special
> circumstances or on tourist roads for the most part today. Otherwise joined
> rail and wooden ties are slowly disappearing.
>
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70388 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: A Train Laying it's own tracks
Speeder is another name for them Hamilton where, Al?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: alansmith@...
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 12:53:31 -0400
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:A Train Laying it's own tracks


























GENTS:



YOU CAN REALLY TELL THE DIFFERENCE WHEN RIDING A RAILCAR, ( PUTT PUTT),

Rail inspection motor car or what ever U want to call them.



AL , in Hamilton



On 9/3/12 11:53 AM, "Robert Lampe" <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote:



>

>

>

>

>

> If you ever rode a train in pre Amtrak days and today you know what Stumpy is

> talking about smoother ride.

>

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>

> From: mrstumpy@... <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net>

> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 13:43:32 +0000

> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:A Train Laying it's own tracks

>

> This looks very much like a German promotional film about rebuilding trackage

> which I saw about ten years ago. Back then, concrete ties and continuous rail

> were established standards in Europe. Most of the American Class One

> railroads have similar equipment.

>

> Gone are the days of men swinging sledgehammers and crews hand tamping ballast

> while they chanted a rythmic tune. You see that type of work only in special

> circumstances or on tourist roads for the most part today. Otherwise joined

> rail and wooden ties are slowly disappearing.

>

> Stumpy in Ahia

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

>

>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70389 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Train laying it's own track
Welded rail: no "clicky clack!" North of me about an hour, Norfolk Southern spent big bucks to replace most of their mainline with continuous welded rail and concrete ties. This trackage sometimes sees trains on five minute intervals, mostly high speed container trains.

The "rail train" must have been a mile long! They used a really high temperature weld to join each mile of rail to the next. I asked one of the formen what they did about heat expansion kinking the rail. He told me that they made a sliding wedge joint in the rail wherever the computer told them to. High tech all the way!

Now, consider this: Jointed rail and wooden ties were in use in the heyday of steam. Compared to even today's biggest diesels, steam locos placed a much heavier burden per drive wheel on rail and ties and pounded the track with their piston strokes, especially if running above their practical dynamic balance speed. Yet passenger train speeds sometimes climbed to 100 mph under steam on that old style track!

If you're modeling the modern era, you'll have to use flex track only and solder every joint to be prototypical! :-)
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70390 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: "Project Atlantic" begins!
Chuck Harrington has just posted the September "Stumpy's Station" article on myflyertrains.org which is "Project Atlantic Part One." This begins our step by step, multi part series on kit bashing the lowly Flyer Atlantic.

This first part is timed for the beginning of the "train show season" to give you a chance to find just the right loco and tender for your own "Project Atlantic." There were thousands of Atlantic made, but some are more desirable for customizing than others. In this episode I direct you to which Atlantics to look for and why.

Thank you Chuck for making this possible.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70391 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: Train laying it's own track
To old guys that remember,

I love the click-ity ­ clack. it¹s music to old ears. The smell of
coal smoke , the hiss of steam, the spinning of huge drivers trying to
start a long consist. The signal torpedoes sound under the weight of an
engine, the sound of the steam whistle in the still of the night, The R X R
crossing guard in his shack, The feel of the power as the huge engine goes
roaring by, the water tower spout filling a tender, Yes -- those were the
days of yesteryear. A shame the youth of today will never know ! Time
marches on and memories fade.

A


On 9/3/12 3:18 PM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> Welded rail: no "clicky clack!" North of me about an hour, Norfolk Southern
> spent big bucks to replace most of their mainline with continuous welded rail
> and concrete ties. This trackage sometimes sees trains on five minute
> intervals, mostly high speed container trains.
>
> The "rail train" must have been a mile long! They used a really high
> temperature weld to join each mile of rail to the next. I asked one of the
> formen what they did about heat expansion kinking the rail. He told me that
> they made a sliding wedge joint in the rail wherever the computer told them
> to. High tech all the way!
>
> Now, consider this: Jointed rail and wooden ties were in use in the heyday of
> steam. Compared to even today's biggest diesels, steam locos placed a much
> heavier burden per drive wheel on rail and ties and pounded the track with
> their piston strokes, especially if running above their practical dynamic
> balance speed. Yet passenger train speeds sometimes climbed to 100 mph under
> steam on that old style track!
>
> If you're modeling the modern era, you'll have to use flex track only and
> solder every joint to be prototypical! :-)
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70392 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" begins!
Stumpy,

A very nice (and educational) start.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Sent: Mon Sep 03 14:33:34 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] "Project Atlantic" begins!




Chuck Harrington has just posted the September "Stumpy's Station" article on myflyertrains.org which is "Project Atlantic Part One." This begins our step by step, multi part series on kit bashing the lowly Flyer Atlantic.

This first part is timed for the beginning of the "train show season" to give you a chance to find just the right loco and tender for your own "Project Atlantic." There were thousands of Atlantic made, but some are more desirable for customizing than others. In this episode I direct you to which Atlantics to look for and why.

Thank you Chuck for making this possible.
Stumpy in Ahia





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70393 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: Train laying it's own track
At least we still have UP 3985 and 844, SP&S 700 and SP 4449 and others we can see from time to time

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: alansmith@...
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 15:53:26 -0400
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Train laying it's own track


























To old guys that remember,



I love the click-ity � clack. it�s music to old ears. The smell of

coal smoke , the hiss of steam, the spinning of huge drivers trying to

start a long consist. The signal torpedoes sound under the weight of an

engine, the sound of the steam whistle in the still of the night, The R X R

crossing guard in his shack, The feel of the power as the huge engine goes

roaring by, the water tower spout filling a tender, Yes -- those were the

days of yesteryear. A shame the youth of today will never know ! Time

marches on and memories fade.



A



On 9/3/12 3:18 PM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:



>

>

>

>

>

> Welded rail: no "clicky clack!" North of me about an hour, Norfolk Southern

> spent big bucks to replace most of their mainline with continuous welded rail

> and concrete ties. This trackage sometimes sees trains on five minute

> intervals, mostly high speed container trains.

>

> The "rail train" must have been a mile long! They used a really high

> temperature weld to join each mile of rail to the next. I asked one of the

> formen what they did about heat expansion kinking the rail. He told me that

> they made a sliding wedge joint in the rail wherever the computer told them

> to. High tech all the way!

>

> Now, consider this: Jointed rail and wooden ties were in use in the heyday of

> steam. Compared to even today's biggest diesels, steam locos placed a much

> heavier burden per drive wheel on rail and ties and pounded the track with

> their piston strokes, especially if running above their practical dynamic

> balance speed. Yet passenger train speeds sometimes climbed to 100 mph under

> steam on that old style track!

>

> If you're modeling the modern era, you'll have to use flex track only and

> solder every joint to be prototypical! :-)

> Stumpy in Ahia

>

>

>

>

>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70394 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Re: Train laying it's own track
Alan you sure know how to hit a guy where it hurts lolol. You forgot the smell of creosoted ties and other sweet train smells

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: alansmith@...
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 15:53:26 -0400
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Train laying it's own track


























To old guys that remember,



I love the click-ity � clack. it�s music to old ears. The smell of

coal smoke , the hiss of steam, the spinning of huge drivers trying to

start a long consist. The signal torpedoes sound under the weight of an

engine, the sound of the steam whistle in the still of the night, The R X R

crossing guard in his shack, The feel of the power as the huge engine goes

roaring by, the water tower spout filling a tender, Yes -- those were the

days of yesteryear. A shame the youth of today will never know ! Time

marches on and memories fade.



A



On 9/3/12 3:18 PM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:



>

>

>

>

>

> Welded rail: no "clicky clack!" North of me about an hour, Norfolk Southern

> spent big bucks to replace most of their mainline with continuous welded rail

> and concrete ties. This trackage sometimes sees trains on five minute

> intervals, mostly high speed container trains.

>

> The "rail train" must have been a mile long! They used a really high

> temperature weld to join each mile of rail to the next. I asked one of the

> formen what they did about heat expansion kinking the rail. He told me that

> they made a sliding wedge joint in the rail wherever the computer told them

> to. High tech all the way!

>

> Now, consider this: Jointed rail and wooden ties were in use in the heyday of

> steam. Compared to even today's biggest diesels, steam locos placed a much

> heavier burden per drive wheel on rail and ties and pounded the track with

> their piston strokes, especially if running above their practical dynamic

> balance speed. Yet passenger train speeds sometimes climbed to 100 mph under

> steam on that old style track!

>

> If you're modeling the modern era, you'll have to use flex track only and

> solder every joint to be prototypical! :-)

> Stumpy in Ahia

>

>

>

>

>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70395 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 9/3/2012
Subject: Subject: [S-Trains] "Project Atlantic" begins!
AAUGH!!! More Blasphemy!! The group must be purified now!! Where is the
Holy Smoke! Fluid when you need it!
:)
Oh, a Wise Guy, eh?? Boink!! Poke! Bash!
Woo Woo Woo Woo!
S'
David D. (Who shoulda made a left turn in Albeaquikie!)
Heh heh heh
Group: S-Trains Message: 70396 From: David Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: AF 0-4-0 E&T Project
Well, the fat is in the fire here at LBR Enterprises,llc. We have
started to cut up a much less than really bad #302 E&T and with any luck
and some skill at the end of this bash we should have a reasonable
looking 0-4-0 switch engine unit. Photos to follow when it is completed.

LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 70397 From: George Cohn Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer knuckle couplers
On 9/3/2012 6:51 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
> A shot of penetrating oil into the knuckle pivot and the uncoupling
> weight openings of the coupler body should do. Allow it to set and work
> it's way into the internal areas before trying to work the coupler.

And my favorite penetrating oil is PB Blaster. Most good hardware
stores sell it. Another good one is Aero Kroil but it's harder to find.

I also use it to remove steel screws seized in aluminum castings like
old drive-in speakers.

The trick is to let it work for at least 24 hours before trying to move
the parts. Sometimes a bit of heat is also needed but I wouldn't do
that on a train coupler.

WD-40 and similar products just don't work as well.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70398 From: kerhart@frontier.com Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: AF 0-4-0 E&T Project
Maybe before you start any new projects you could return my two hudsons either with the work completed or the $259 that I sent you eight months ago. You won't respond to my voice mails or my emails. The last word that I heard was that they would be shipped in April. Your excuse was that you were too busy! You were soliciting business last December and January for replacing hudson drivers with scullin and box pok wheels. I regrettably took you up on your offer. I would caution any of you about doing business with LBR.

Keith Erhart


----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <reujan2000@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 6:23:34 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF 0-4-0 E&T Project






Well, the fat is in the fire here at LBR Enterprises,llc. We have
started to cut up a much less than really bad #302 E&T and with any luck
and some skill at the end of this bash we should have a reasonable
looking 0-4-0 switch engine unit. Photos to follow when it is completed.

LBR
Group: S-Trains Message: 70399 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Comparing DCC systems - Sept MRH
The new issue of MRH has an article comparing the various DCC systems..

http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/9054

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70400 From: Bob Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Announcement: 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine Summer, 2012 Issue Publis
Good day. The Summer, 2012 issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine has been
published! Subscribers and advertisers should have received their copy earlier
this morning. A few subscribers initially got an e-mail without the attached
PDF (sorry!), but this was corrected with a subsequent e-mail. The issue will
be available for sale to non-subscribers later this week via our website:
www.1-64ModelingGuide.com

If you think you should have received a copy but didn't, there are 3 possible
reasons:

1) You're not a subscriber.
2) You were a subscriber, but let your subscription lapse.
3) Your e-mail address is not up to date and the one I have on file got rejected
(I got 13 e-mails rejected already this morning).

Please contact me off-list if you have any questions.

Don't forget, also now available are two new e-Feature articles. These are
"printer-friendly" PDFs in 8.5 x 11-inch format. Synopses and ordering info is
on the website at: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com/e-Feature_Articles.html

And, the Fall, 2008 issue (Volume 10, Number 1) has been digitally re-issued in
"printer-friendly" PDF 8.5 x 11-inch format, with color photos, where available,
substituted for the original black & whites. Price is $4.95/copy, available
online via the website at: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com/Back_Issues.html

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 70401 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: AF 0-4-0 E&T Project
"reasonable 0-4-0" ..if you overlook the passenger engine size tall
drivers..an 0-4-0 should have drivers off an 0-8-0, 0-6-0 or 0-6-0T to fit
into the range normal for such engines. The boiler is large for an
Atlantic, much less an 0-4-0.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play? <gggg>

Charlie Vlk





Well, the fat is in the fire here at LBR Enterprises,llc. We have
started to cut up a much less than really bad #302 E&T and with any luck
and some skill at the end of this bash we should have a reasonable
looking 0-4-0 switch engine unit. Photos to follow when it is completed.

LBR



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70402 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Lubricating and drying penetrants
George makes an accurate observation. Pentrating oils and WD-40 are not the same thing. However, in both cases, you must give them time to work.

Penetrants like "Blaster" and others are very thin oil and penetrate the rust and corrosion by capillary action to lubricate the "stuck" areas. They work very well on "old" rust and long time corroded items.

WD-40 is a drying penetrant and works best on damp "active" rust and corrosion by drying it out. In many cases, "drying out" the rust will allow the parts to release because the built up rust particles will no longer "hold" the joint.

To illustrate the differences; I got a very rusty #310 and used WD-40 first because the loco and tender had come directly from a damp basement where several rotten cardboard boxes of trains had been stored for nearly ten years. I gave the screws, bolts, and parts several sprays of WD-40, and then tried them the next day. Most came apart successfully on the first try.

In the case of a #300 which had been alternately cooking and freezing in an attic for forty years, the WD-40 was pretty ineffective, because drying was not the problem. Penetrating oil worked after two days of soaking the rust and carefully working with tools.

In addition to penetrants, some light tapping with a small manner around the "stuck" area sometimes helps free bolts and parts. Heat is a last resort for small parts (like toy trains,)and usually ruins them before they come apart.

This is something I learned from restoring and hot rodding old cars. And yes, we used a torch a LOT too. But only when we were working with heavy castings, stampings, and such.

I'm sure others have their own tricks to take things apart, or have had different results. It might be interesting if they would add to this discussion for those of us who tinker with old stuff.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70403 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: Comparing DCC systems ????
Dear Brady,
Not really, he only compared two, Digitrax and NCE. There are lots more than those two systems. And, some really are superior....
Don

On Sep 4, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:

> The new issue of MRH has an article comparing the various DCC systems..
>
> http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/9054
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70404 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: Lubricating and drying penetrants
Good advice/examples for lubricants, Stumpy. I'd just add that I use a large soldering iron to apply heat to small screws rather than a torch. Patience is the key for all these methods.


Jim E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 11:42:04 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Lubricating and drying penetrants






George makes an accurate observation. Pentrating oils and WD-40 are not the same thing. However, in both cases, you must give them time to work.

Penetrants like "Blaster" and others are very thin oil and penetrate the rust and corrosion by capillary action to lubricate the "stuck" areas. They work very well on "old" rust and long time corroded items.

WD-40 is a drying penetrant and works best on damp "active" rust and corrosion by drying it out. In many cases, "drying out" the rust will allow the parts to release because the built up rust particles will no longer "hold" the joint.

To illustrate the differences; I got a very rusty #310 and used WD-40 first because the loco and tender had come directly from a damp basement where several rotten cardboard boxes of trains had been stored for nearly ten years. I gave the screws, bolts, and parts several sprays of WD-40, and then tried them the next day. Most came apart successfully on the first try.

In the case of a #300 which had been alternately cooking and freezing in an attic for forty years, the WD-40 was pretty ineffective, because drying was not the problem. Penetrating oil worked after two days of soaking the rust and carefully working with tools.

In addition to penetrants, some light tapping with a small manner around the "stuck" area sometimes helps free bolts and parts. Heat is a last resort for small parts (like toy trains,)and usually ruins them before they come apart.

This is something I learned from restoring and hot rodding old cars. And yes, we used a torch a LOT too. But only when we were working with heavy castings, stampings, and such.

I'm sure others have their own tricks to take things apart, or have had different results. It might be interesting if they would add to this discussion for those of us who tinker with old stuff.
Stumpy in Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70405 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: Comparing DCC systems ????
Don.

Good catch. What other systems would you recommend folks look at?

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: Don Thompson <don@...>
Sent: Tue Sep 04 13:19:17 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Comparing DCC systems ????




Dear Brady,
Not really, he only compared two, Digitrax and NCE. There are lots more than those two systems. And, some really are superior....
Don

On Sep 4, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:

> The new issue of MRH has an article comparing the various DCC systems..
>
> http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/9054
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70406 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: Comparing DCC systems ????
Lenz, Easy DCC to mention too. Again, I am not up on MRC, but I know they have a system too...
Don

On Sep 4, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:

> Don.
>
> Good catch. What other systems would you recommend folks look at?
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: Don Thompson <don@...>
> Sent: Tue Sep 04 13:19:17 CDT 2012
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Comparing DCC systems ????
>
> Dear Brady,
> Not really, he only compared two, Digitrax and NCE. There are lots more than those two systems. And, some really are superior....
> Don
>
> On Sep 4, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
>
> > The new issue of MRH has an article comparing the various DCC systems..
> >
> > http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/9054
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70407 From: Dave Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: AF 0-4-0 E&T Project
????????????








--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, kerhart@... wrote:
>
> Maybe before you start any new projects you could return my two
hudsons either with the work completed or the $259 that I sent you eight
months ago. You won't respond to my voice mails or my emails. The last
word that I heard was that they would be shipped in April. Your excuse
was that you were too busy! You were soliciting business last December
and January for replacing hudson drivers with scullin and box pok
wheels. I regrettably took you up on your offer. I would caution any of
you about doing business with LBR.
>
> Keith Erhart
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David" reujan2000@...
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 6:23:34 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 0-4-0 E&T Project
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, the fat is in the fire here at LBR Enterprises,llc. We have
> started to cut up a much less than really bad #302 E&T and with any
luck
> and some skill at the end of this bash we should have a reasonable
> looking 0-4-0 switch engine unit. Photos to follow when it is
completed.
>
> LBR
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70408 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: Comparing DCC systems ????
I also don't know about the various systems. Easy DCC is manufactured by CVP Products I believe in Richardson, Texas

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: don@...
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:09:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Comparing DCC systems ????


























Lenz, Easy DCC to mention too. Again, I am not up on MRC, but I know they have a system too...

Don



On Sep 4, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:



> Don.

>

> Good catch. What other systems would you recommend folks look at?

>

> Brady

>

> Sent from my Kindle Fire

>

> _____________________________________________

> From: Don Thompson <don@...>

> Sent: Tue Sep 04 13:19:17 CDT 2012

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Comparing DCC systems ????

>

> Dear Brady,

> Not really, he only compared two, Digitrax and NCE. There are lots more than those two systems. And, some really are superior....

> Don

>

> On Sep 4, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:

>

> > The new issue of MRH has an article comparing the various DCC systems..

> >

> > http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/9054

> >

> >

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70409 From: D.F. Smith Date: 9/4/2012
Subject: Re: AF 0-4-0 E&T Project
Now this really leaves me wondering. Are you saying you never heard of
Keith? Maybe it would be good to say that directly so that the rest of
us don't lose confidence in you. It probably is not the best policy to
take these complaints to a public forum, but if you really haven't
responded to him by other means, I can understand his frustration.
Also, you do seem to have made this forum your advertising platform, so
maybe it is natural to address these issues here.

Dale.

On 9/4/2012 1:37 PM, Dave wrote:
>
>
> ????????????
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> kerhart@... wrote:
> >
> > Maybe before you start any new projects you could return my two
> hudsons either with the work completed or the $259 that I sent you eight
> months ago. You won't respond to my voice mails or my emails. The last
> word that I heard was that they would be shipped in April. Your excuse
> was that you were too busy! You were soliciting business last December
> and January for replacing hudson drivers with scullin and box pok
> wheels. I regrettably took you up on your offer. I would caution any of
> you about doing business with LBR.
> >
> > Keith Erhart
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David" reujan2000@...
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 6:23:34 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] AF 0-4-0 E&T Project
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, the fat is in the fire here at LBR Enterprises,llc. We have
> > started to cut up a much less than really bad #302 E&T and with any
> luck
> > and some skill at the end of this bash we should have a reasonable
> > looking 0-4-0 switch engine unit. Photos to follow when it is
> completed.
> >
> > LBR
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70410 From: john Date: 9/5/2012
Subject: Re: Lubricating and drying penetrants
Stumpy: That's darn good advice. Let me add something to it based on years of gunsmithing experience, a field where buugered screw heads are viewed as a sign of incompetence, and ancient handmade, one of a kind screws, and hundreds of years of rust are intimate friends: The secret of success is to use a good quality, preferably hollow ground screw driver that fits the screw.
Your average hardware store screw driver just doesn't cut it. It's really worth your while to get some good ones in the sizes you commonly use. The new interchangeable bits have really brought down the price of a decent set. Check out Brownell's website. They stock a lot of neat tools that are useful for Model RR work, have reasonable prices, are good folks to deal with, and stand behind what they sell. Occasionaly you'll turn up a pretty good set of imported ones at the cheapy tool stores. Not in the same league as Brownells, but useful in lighter MR work, if you don't mind a ruined blade or damaged screw every once in a while.
Most gunsmiths swear by Kroil, my junkyard owner buddy is big on PB Blaster. I've used both with good successs. My Grandpa used to soak stuff in common kerosene, and he mangaged to bring back a Keen Kutter barlow that I had found laying out on the CB&Q tracks. God alone knows how many years it had been lying out in the weather. Speaks well for his method.
JBB

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> George makes an accurate observation. Pentrating oils and WD-40 are not the same thing. However, in both cases, you must give them time to work.
>
> Penetrants like "Blaster" and others are very thin oil and penetrate the rust and corrosion by capillary action to lubricate the "stuck" areas. They work very well on "old" rust and long time corroded items.
>
> WD-40 is a drying penetrant and works best on damp "active" rust and corrosion by drying it out. In many cases, "drying out" the rust will allow the parts to release because the built up rust particles will no longer "hold" the joint.
>
> To illustrate the differences; I got a very rusty #310 and used WD-40 first because the loco and tender had come directly from a damp basement where several rotten cardboard boxes of trains had been stored for nearly ten years. I gave the screws, bolts, and parts several sprays of WD-40, and then tried them the next day. Most came apart successfully on the first try.
>
> In the case of a #300 which had been alternately cooking and freezing in an attic for forty years, the WD-40 was pretty ineffective, because drying was not the problem. Penetrating oil worked after two days of soaking the rust and carefully working with tools.
>
> In addition to penetrants, some light tapping with a small manner around the "stuck" area sometimes helps free bolts and parts. Heat is a last resort for small parts (like toy trains,)and usually ruins them before they come apart.
>
> This is something I learned from restoring and hot rodding old cars. And yes, we used a torch a LOT too. But only when we were working with heavy castings, stampings, and such.
>
> I'm sure others have their own tricks to take things apart, or have had different results. It might be interesting if they would add to this discussion for those of us who tinker with old stuff.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70411 From: john Date: 9/5/2012
Subject: Re: Comparing DCC systems ????
Brady: The various systems tend to have features that appeal to the needs or interests of a particular type of user. The best advice I can give you is to vist layouts and clubs and talk with guys who use one system or other, try them out, and find out what meets your needs.
Personally, I'm real happy with my MRC system. I've found it a very simple system to learn how to use, and they've worked out a very simple method to allow you to program the decoder functions that most of us are interested in, such as engine #, starting voltage, etc. Their wireless throttle works great, and is really worth checking out.
People who are more interested in technical aspects of DCC control, or using some of the types of computer control that are out there, might prefer a different system. It really is a personal choice, so a little research is really worthwhile before investing.
JBB


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
>
> Don.
>
> Good catch. What other systems would you recommend folks look at?
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: Don Thompson <don@...>
> Sent: Tue Sep 04 13:19:17 CDT 2012
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Comparing DCC systems ????
>
>
>
>
> Dear Brady,
> Not really, he only compared two, Digitrax and NCE. There are lots more than those two systems. And, some really are superior....
> Don
>
> On Sep 4, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
>
> > The new issue of MRH has an article comparing the various DCC systems..
> >
> > http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/9054
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70412 From: s_trains Date: 9/5/2012
Subject: URL (and web site if you want it) available
Before anybody gets confused...

I am talking about s-trains website, not this list.

Anybody interested in the S-Trains.com URL.
And current site.

I plan on pulling the plug only because I no longer have an interest in model trains.

When I started there were maybe one or two other sites fo AF.

Now you guys are in great shape, I can step aside.

I gave away the S-Scale.org URL yesterday.
Mike Greene helped me back when I did not know a URL from a web host.

Email me at s_trains@...
Paul Yorke
Group: S-Trains Message: 70413 From: George Cohn Date: 9/5/2012
Subject: Re: Lubricating and drying penetrants
Kroil Penetrating Oil is pretty incredible sometimes. Where I used to
work, one of the guys brought in a disk brake caliper from a motorcycle
he was restoring. The bleeder was seized tightly and he had rounded off
the flats trying to get it out. We tried vise grips and it was so
seized we were afraid we were going to break it off.

We wandered over to the facilities maintenance department and borrowed a
can of Kroil and soaked it liberally then went to lunch.

When we got back a half hour later, we were able to easily remove the
seized bleeder with a pair of ordinary pliers.

The problem is it's not stocked by most hardware stores but I see that
it and PB Blaster are available on Amazon. The shipping can be as much
as the product but it's well worth it to have a can of each in your toolkit.

WD-40 is advertised as a toolkit in a can but it really was intended as
a water displacement medium, hence the WD moniker. It's really handy if
you run through a big puddle and wet out the ignition on your vehicle.
Many times I have stopped and helped a stranded motorist get going by
just spraying the distributor and spark plug wires with it.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70414 From: Brady Date: 9/5/2012
Subject: Re: AF 0-4-0 E&T Project
> ...Also, you do seem to have made this forum your advertising platform, so
> maybe it is natural to address these issues here.
>
> Dale.

Sounds reasonable to me

Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 70415 From: Al Date: 9/5/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer knuckle couplers and rust remover
Hi
 
I had used Evapo-Rust  for all kinds of trains products without any harm to them. just soak your items for a short period and the rust just melts away.
Does not harm plastics.
 
Al

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70416 From: jvmandell Date: 9/5/2012
Subject: TRAIN SHOW ORANGE CT OCTOBER 7, 2012
The New Haven and Derby Model Railroad Club, Inc. (an affiliate of The Orange Historical Society) will be holding it's 20th annual model train show on Sunday October 7, 2012 from 9:30AM–3:30PM at High Plains Community Center 525 Orange Center Road (route 152) in Orange, CT. Mapquest: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&cat=&address=525+Orange+Center+Road&city=Orange&state=ct&zipcode= The building is minutes from Interstate 95's exit 41 and exit 56 of the Wilbur Cross Parkway (CT 15). It is handicap accessible and has plenty of free parking.
All Scales and eras will be represented with between 90-100 vendor tables featuring locomotives, rolling stock, books, accessories, clothing, scenery, buildings and railroad memorabilia. The Valley "HO" Railroad Club, Valley "N"-Trak Railroad Club and the Connecticut "G" Scale Railroad Club will have their modular operating layouts set up for viewing and their members will gladly answer any questions you may have. In addition we will have smaller kid friendly "S" Gauge and "T" track layout, and clinics. There will be door prizes at least every hour and a dining car to satisfy your hunger. All in all there will be something for every member of the family.
Donations are: adults $5.00, teens (12-18 with adult) $1.00 and under 12 free. For more information contact Chairman Chuck Fleischman by phone at (203)874-2787 or by e-mail at c.fleischman@... or www.newhaven-derbymodelrailroadclub.org to find out more about us.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70417 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Re: Comparing DCC systems ????
JBB,

That's good advice. MRC was not mentioned in the MRH article so it's good to have someone on the list who uses it.

Atlas also has a system, anyone using it?

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: john <vytis1952@...>
Sent: Wed Sep 05 08:56:52 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Comparing DCC systems ????




Brady: The various systems tend to have features that appeal to the needs or interests of a particular type of user. The best advice I can give you is to vist layouts and clubs and talk with guys who use one system or other, try them out, and find out what meets your needs.
Personally, I'm real happy with my MRC system. I've found it a very simple system to learn how to use, and they've worked out a very simple method to allow you to program the decoder functions that most of us are interested in, such as engine #, starting voltage, etc. Their wireless throttle works great, and is really worth checking out.
People who are more interested in technical aspects of DCC control, or using some of the types of computer control that are out there, might prefer a different system. It really is a personal choice, so a little research is really worthwhile before investing.
JBB


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
>
> Don.
>
> Good catch. What other systems would you recommend folks look at?
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: Don Thompson <don@...>
> Sent: Tue Sep 04 13:19:17 CDT 2012
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Comparing DCC systems ????
>
>
>
>
> Dear Brady,
> Not really, he only compared two, Digitrax and NCE. There are lots more than those two systems. And, some really are superior....
> Don
>
> On Sep 4, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
>
> > The new issue of MRH has an article comparing the various DCC systems..
> >
> > http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/9054
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70418 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Rubber Tires
Gentlemen:

I finally have a layout and I am running engines to make sure that they are
all that they can be. Anyway, I have two Fylonel Northern Steam engines with
rubber tires. Well upon running them all four tires disintegrated on the
first run around the track. I checked with Flyonel and they have no
replacement parts nor evidently no status on any replacements. I don't want
to run the engines on the rims so I am looking for any alternatives. This
may have come up on previous Emails but I don't remember any solutions that
m. Anyway, any suggestions, thoughts would be appreciated.



Thanks

Joe Haughney


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From a Moderator:

Joe try 6SP8075065 TRACTION TIRE (23MM) $1.50

It should be very close.

Carl



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70419 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Re: Rubber Tires
Port Lines Hobby probably has some of the Gilbert type replacement bands
that MAY fit the Flyonel wheels.
Steve
SnS Trains


In a message dated 9/6/2012 12:20:42 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
J.Haughney1@... writes:




Gentlemen:

I finally have a layout and I am running engines to make sure that they are
all that they can be. Anyway, I have two Fylonel Northern Steam engines
with
rubber tires. Well upon running them all four tires disintegrated on the
first run around the track. I checked with Flyonel and they have no
replacement parts nor evidently no status on any replacements. I don't want
to run the engines on the rims so I am looking for any alternatives. This
may have come up on previous Emails but I don't remember any solutions that
m. Anyway, any suggestions, thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks

Joe Haughney

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From a Moderator:

Joe try 6SP8075065 TRACTION TIRE (23MM) $1.50

It should be very close.

Carl

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70420 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Comparing DCC systems ????
MRC makes some very good DCC sound units. I have used many of them. I also
use NCE and
Digitrax power decoders. I haven't found any decided advantage of any one
over any of the others other than amperage availibility. Some of them are
just designed for HO and N scale use and don't quite have enough poop for
some of the S-Gauge locos and accessories.
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


In a message dated 9/6/2012 10:19:51 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
brady@... writes:




JBB,

That's good advice. MRC was not mentioned in the MRH article so it's good
to have someone on the list who uses it.

Atlas also has a system, anyone using it?

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire

_____________________________________________
From: john <_vytis1952@..._ (mailto:vytis1952@...) >
Sent: Wed Sep 05 08:56:52 CDT 2012
To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Comparing DCC systems ????

Brady: The various systems tend to have features that appeal to the needs
or interests of a particular type of user. The best advice I can give you
is to vist layouts and clubs and talk with guys who use one system or other,
try them out, and find out what meets your needs.
Personally, I'm real happy with my MRC system. I've found it a very simple
system to learn how to use, and they've worked out a very simple method to
allow you to program the decoder functions that most of us are interested
in, such as engine #, starting voltage, etc. Their wireless throttle works
great, and is really worth checking out.
People who are more interested in technical aspects of DCC control, or
using some of the types of computer control that are out there, might prefer a
different system. It really is a personal choice, so a little research is
really worthwhile before investing.
JBB

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Brady
Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
>
> Don.
>
> Good catch. What other systems would you recommend folks look at?
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: Don Thompson <don@...>
> Sent: Tue Sep 04 13:19:17 CDT 2012
> To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Comparing DCC systems ????
>
>
>
>
> Dear Brady,
> Not really, he only compared two, Digitrax and NCE. There are lots more
than those two systems. And, some really are superior....
> Don
>
> On Sep 4, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
>
> > The new issue of MRH has an article comparing the various DCC systems..
> >
> > _http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/9054_
(http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/9054)
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70421 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Re: Rubber Tires
Joe,
MTH makes a wide selection of tire and I have used these in the past to replace worn out AF tires. They work great. I just try to find one a little smaller in diameter than the needy wheel and stretch them on. I did this with an 0 - 8 - 0 lately. Where are you located?

Harwood



-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 2:20 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Rubber Tires




Gentlemen:

I finally have a layout and I am running engines to make sure that they are
all that they can be. Anyway, I have two Fylonel Northern Steam engines with
rubber tires. Well upon running them all four tires disintegrated on the
first run around the track. I checked with Flyonel and they have no
replacement parts nor evidently no status on any replacements. I don't want
to run the engines on the rims so I am looking for any alternatives. This
may have come up on previous Emails but I don't remember any solutions that
m. Anyway, any suggestions, thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks

Joe Haughney

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From a Moderator:

Joe try 6SP8075065 TRACTION TIRE (23MM) $1.50

It should be very close.

Carl

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70422 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Re: Rubber Tires
LBR Enterprises tires fit
 


--- On Thu, 9/6/12, Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@...> wrote:


From: Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Rubber Tires
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 6, 2012, 12:46 PM



 



Gentlemen:

I finally have a layout and I am running engines to make sure that they are
all that they can be. Anyway, I have two Fylonel Northern Steam engines with
rubber tires. Well upon running them all four tires disintegrated on the
first run around the track. I checked with Flyonel and they have no
replacement parts nor evidently no status on any replacements. I don't want
to run the engines on the rims so I am looking for any alternatives. This
may have come up on previous Emails but I don't remember any solutions that
m. Anyway, any suggestions, thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks

Joe Haughney

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From a Moderator:

Joe try 6SP8075065 TRACTION TIRE (23MM) $1.50

It should be very close.

Carl

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70423 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Re: Lubricating and drying penetrants
I am a big fan of Kroil as well. I found it at my local gun shop -
gunsmiths love it for the same reasons.



Ben



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of George Cohn
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 12:09 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lubricating and drying penetrants





Kroil Penetrating Oil is pretty incredible sometimes. Where I used to
work, one of the guys brought in a disk brake caliper from a motorcycle
he was restoring. The bleeder was seized tightly and he had rounded off
the flats trying to get it out. We tried vise grips and it was so
seized we were afraid we were going to break it off.

We wandered over to the facilities maintenance department and borrowed a
can of Kroil and soaked it liberally then went to lunch.

When we got back a half hour later, we were able to easily remove the
seized bleeder with a pair of ordinary pliers.

The problem is it's not stocked by most hardware stores but I see that
it and PB Blaster are available on Amazon. The shipping can be as much
as the product but it's well worth it to have a can of each in your toolkit.

WD-40 is advertised as a toolkit in a can but it really was intended as
a water displacement medium, hence the WD moniker. It's really handy if
you run through a big puddle and wet out the ignition on your vehicle.
Many times I have stopped and helped a stranded motorist get going by
just spraying the distributor and spark plug wires with it.

George Cohn





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70424 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Added content
Paul Yorke kindly gave me permission to use some of the content from his old website on my site,

http://www.americanflyerlines.net

Additions include his factory and gas station cardstock models and the talking station records.

The factory kit is modular, and I've already constructed my own version to include on my new layout.

The talking station records are in .wav format. FWIW I discovered that I can play them on my Kindle Fire..

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70425 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Tablets
Today Amazon announced the new Kindle Fire models, and Apple is expected to announce a new iPad soon. Prices on these are as low as $159

These devices have a lot of capability, the power of a PC, and use touch screens. I haven't seen any real model railroad applications yet; there is a DCC throttle app for smartphones that works with JMRI, but I think the tablets have the potential to do more.

Thoughts?

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70426 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Re: Rubber tires - L-AF Northern
Port Lines does indeed have a replacement tire that works very well for
the Lionel AF Northern. I purchased samples of a candidate during last York
and later confirmed with Doug that they are quite suitable. The bands are
elliptical rather than circular when unmounted. Check with Doug about this.

Bob Bubeck



In a message dated 9/7/2012 8:28:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:



Thu Sep 6, 2012 12:52 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
_"boss31@..." snstrains _
(mailto:boss31@...?subject=Re:%20Rubber%20Tires)

Port Lines Hobby probably has some of the Gilbert type replacement bands
that MAY fit the Flyonel wheels.
Steve
SnS Trains





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70427 From: workinalure Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Re: URL (and web site if you want it) available
Paul,
My best wishes to you. You paved the way for us S Guagers and we had a hoot (I remember the owls) along the way. Everyone on this list owes you a debt of gratitude. Take care my friend.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "s_trains" <s_trains@...> wrote:
>
> Before anybody gets confused...
>
> I am talking about s-trains website, not this list.
>
> Anybody interested in the S-Trains.com URL.
> And current site.
>
> I plan on pulling the plug only because I no longer have an interest in model trains.
>
> When I started there were maybe one or two other sites fo AF.
>
> Now you guys are in great shape, I can step aside.
>
> I gave away the S-Scale.org URL yesterday.
> Mike Greene helped me back when I did not know a URL from a web host.
>
> Email me at s_trains@...
> Paul Yorke
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70428 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Fwd: Too good to be true, wuz Re: {S-Scale List} New stuff
list:
BEWARE OF THIS LATEST SCAM, BUYER BEWARE

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...>
> Date: September 7, 2012 10:53:21 AM PDT
> To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: "Bob Nalbone" <bobnalbone04@...>
> Subject: Too good to be true, wuz Re: {S-Scale List} New stuff
> Reply-To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> First Pieter said
> The latest 1/64 Modeling Guide showed a new S product - Steel Horse
> Models 60 ft Gunderson plug door boxcar. . . . . . . . . . .
>
> then -
> From: Gale Hall
> Well, let's see the website doesn't work well and they wouldn't
> return an
> email wanting to know about ordering one..... . . . . . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> ---------Response----------
>
> (I think we've been thru this before. Someone with time to search
> the archives can probably find it.)
>
> I also found his website to be a little shakey. But an address
> does come up and it's in Red Deer, Alberta. That rang a bell.
> Read this and draw your own conclusions.
>
> http://forum.atlasrr.com/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=20380
>
> Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan USA
> I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something
> from him. -Galileo Galilei, physicist and astronomer (1564-1642)
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70429 From: doerryn Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trains, Version 2.0
Greetings!

I just completed a revised version of "Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trains". This version incorporates comments I received from a number of individuals (thanks everyone) and adds some new content. This version features schematics for building your own electronic E-Unit. One schematic even allow you to use a Lionel 6-5906 Railsounds Sound Activation Button to reverse the engine. This same E-Unit circut will allow you run with either DC power (reverses the engine based on track polarity) or with AC power (forward normally, reverses with the Sound Activation Button)

I've also replaced some pictures and schematics to improve their quality, and added a few new ones too. As before, if you see any mistakes, or if I've left something out that you think should be in it, please let me know.

I haven't changed the URL, it still can be found at ...

http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf

I also have a version where I deleted the "blank pages" if you don't plan to print or copy it double sided. It can be found at ...

http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains_no_blank_pages.pdf

As before, my American Flyer web page can be found at ...

http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm

Feel free to use the document as you wish -- you can host it on your own website if you wish, or link to my website if you desire.

Have a great weekend,

Norbert
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Subject: Flyer Fest West, 9/15/2012, 12:00 am
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Title:   Flyer Fest West
 
Date:   Saturday September 15, 2012
Time:   12:00 am - 12:00 am
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70432 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Track planning software
As an empty-nester I now have a potential for a train space in the basement. The space is 20ft by 10ft on one end and 8ft on the other. Not exactly room for an empire but space for a decent hi-rail layout with structures and scenery. I will keep the ceiling level layout in the rec room for running AF, especially around the holidays. The goal for the new layout is to be closer to scale with operations in mind.

Can those of you who have used track planning software share your thoughts. There are plenty of systems out there but until you use it with a purpose you don't know how good it really is. Layers and scenery and elevations would be nice. I anticipate a learning curve but am not willing to start with AutoCAD...

Suggestions and thoughts are appreciated.

Regards,
Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 70433 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Re: Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trains, Version
Thank you. Great information - really appreciated! Alistair 

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To:
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Sent:Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:19:27 -0000
Subject:[S-Trains] Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer
Trains, Version 2.0

 

Greetings!

I just completed a revised version of "Speed and Directional Control
of American Flyer Trains". This version incorporates comments I
received from a number of individuals (thanks everyone) and adds some
new content. This version features schematics for building your own
electronic E-Unit. One schematic even allow you to use a Lionel
6-5906 Railsounds Sound Activation Button to reverse the engine. This
same E-Unit circut will allow you run with either DC power (reverses
the engine based on track polarity) or with AC power (forward
normally, reverses with the Sound Activation Button)

I've also replaced some pictures and schematics to improve their
quality, and added a few new ones too. As before, if you see any
mistakes, or if I've left something out that you think should be in
it, please let me know.

I haven't changed the URL, it still can be found at ...

http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf
[1]

I also have a version where I deleted the "blank pages" if you don't
plan to print or copy it double sided. It can be found at ...

http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains_no_blank_pages.pdf
[2]

As before, my American Flyer web page can be found at ...

http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm [3]

Feel free to use the document as you wish -- you can host it on your
own website if you wish, or link to my website if you desire.

Have a great weekend,

Norbert

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70434 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Tim,

Take a look at http://www.rrtrack.com/

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
Sent: Fri Sep 07 18:07:08 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Track planning software




As an empty-nester I now have a potential for a train space in the basement. The space is 20ft by 10ft on one end and 8ft on the other. Not exactly room for an empire but space for a decent hi-rail layout with structures and scenery. I will keep the ceiling level layout in the rec room for running AF, especially around the holidays. The goal for the new layout is to be closer to scale with operations in mind.

Can those of you who have used track planning software share your thoughts. There are plenty of systems out there but until you use it with a purpose you don't know how good it really is. Layers and scenery and elevations would be nice. I anticipate a learning curve but am not willing to start with AutoCAD...

Suggestions and thoughts are appreciated.

Regards,
Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70435 From: Al Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer knuckle couplers and rust remover
One item I should have mentioned with the use of Evapo-Rust. If you use it on the base steel plates of Flyer rolling stock and also on track ties, Evao-Rust removes the color off the ties along with the rust. You will need to use gun-blue to re-color the ties and to prevent any future rust.  The blue formula is too blue so I use 50% gun-blue and 50%gun-black - this combination makes the ties look really close to the original Flyer color.

Al

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70436 From: alsflyer Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Union Pacific RR celebrating 150 years in Ogden, Utah
FYI

The Union Pacific RR is having a 150th Birthday Celebration at the Union Station in Ogden, Utah, On Saturday, September, 22, 2012:

The show will start at 10:00 AM and end at 4:00 PM. The Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club will have a layout in the Grand Lobby along with several other scale model train clubs. Union Station is expecting a large crowd since the Union Pacific is bringing in the No. 844 Steam Engine on Friday, September 21st into the rail yard for viewing and there will be the UP's Museum car there for the first time and many other activities.

Come on up to see this wonderful engine. While you are visiting Ogden, if you come early, you could take a side-trip up to Promontory Point where the original Golden Spike ceremony was held in 1869. Promontory is about 60 miles northwest of Ogden and takes about 1.5 hours to drive there - no freeway to this site. The U.S. National Parks Service runs a show on Saturday simulating the driving of the Golden Spike. Reproductions of the two original engines take part in this ceremony. These are truly great looking engines. I wish Flyer had made miniatures in S gauge of these two engines.

Al Rawdon
Group: S-Trains Message: 70437 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Speed and direction control of American Flyer trains
Norbert; Well done...again! This should answer just about any question on the subject. Very professionally done.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70438 From: John Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Brady, or others who might have used rrtrack,

What features did you find most helpful, and what features or lack of features disappointed.

I'm going to take down my existing layout and start from scratch and design two layouts connected via 2 bridges: a 4x16 and a 6x10.

One area that would be particularly of interest to me is the ability to quickly construct different designs to see what might make optimal use of the board space I have to work with - possibly drawing from some examples. I see that rrtracks seems to have some libraries, but they were all O scale, no S scale.

If I get that right I could go on to more detailed design issues.



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> Take a look at http://www.rrtrack.com/
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
> Sent: Fri Sep 07 18:07:08 CDT 2012
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Track planning software
>
>
>
>
> As an empty-nester I now have a potential for a train space in the basement. The space is 20ft by 10ft on one end and 8ft on the other. Not exactly room for an empire but space for a decent hi-rail layout with structures and scenery. I will keep the ceiling level layout in the rec room for running AF, especially around the holidays. The goal for the new layout is to be closer to scale with operations in mind.
>
> Can those of you who have used track planning software share your thoughts. There are plenty of systems out there but until you use it with a purpose you don't know how good it really is. Layers and scenery and elevations would be nice. I anticipate a learning curve but am not willing to start with AutoCAD...
>
> Suggestions and thoughts are appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70439 From: rapidrail1 Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
I use that one and I like it. Sometimes it's just fun to design layouts with it. There are lots of options one can buy for accessories, buildings, etc.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> Take a look at http://www.rrtrack.com/
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
> Sent: Fri Sep 07 18:07:08 CDT 2012
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Track planning software
>
>
>
>
> As an empty-nester I now have a potential for a train space in the basement. The space is 20ft by 10ft on one end and 8ft on the other. Not exactly room for an empire but space for a decent hi-rail layout with structures and scenery. I will keep the ceiling level layout in the rec room for running AF, especially around the holidays. The goal for the new layout is to be closer to scale with operations in mind.
>
> Can those of you who have used track planning software share your thoughts. There are plenty of systems out there but until you use it with a purpose you don't know how good it really is. Layers and scenery and elevations would be nice. I anticipate a learning curve but am not willing to start with AutoCAD...
>
> Suggestions and thoughts are appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70440 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: NASG Web Site: Important Change
(I apologize in advance to those of you who are going to receive
multiple copies of this e-mail)

I have started the process of hosting the NASG's web site on a different
server. At the same time, we are also changing the ownership of the
"nasg.org" domain to be in my name. Somebody somewhere has to have an
account that "owns" this domain, so the NASG BOT feels that it should be
the webmaster. I agree.

The change-over process is going to take some time. Probably "days". The
switch should be transparent, but there may be the possibility of you
going to the NASG web site and seeing that it is gone or seeing some
sort of an error message. This e-mail is just a "heads-up" notification
for that possibility.

The web site's pages have already been uploaded to the new server, and
Claude and I are ironing out some wrinkles while this transfer is happening.

To help me manage my time, from now on I am only going to be updating
the NASG web site on the new web server. That means that the
last-updated date on the NASG web site's home page of "September 2,
2012" will indicate that you are seeing the "old" site, whereas any
newer date will indicate that you are then seeing the site on the new
server.

If you have any questions, feel free to send me an e-mail.

Thank you,
- Peter.

--

Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed
<http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/>
Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/>
N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/>
--


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70441 From: Peter Junger Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
I am using this for my G scale and N Scale, have not tried it for my S Gauge.

Pete Junger

RailModeller
by MacRailSoft

http://www.railmodeller.com/Libraries.html

S (1:64)
S-Trax (15) May 14. 2007, 22:11:39
Universal Track (15) May 14. 2007, 22:11:48
Trees S (25) May 14. 2007, 22:11:19
Trackplan Symbols S (47) May 14. 2007, 22:11:29 © Edbert van Eimeren / MacRailSoft



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70442 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Hi John,

I was just visiting the site, and I noticed that they do have S track
libraries (5 of them):

http://www.rrtrack.com/html/s-gauge_track.html

I have been using "3D Railroad Concept and Design"
(http://www.theliquidateher.com/3drrconceptanddesign-windows.html), but
it hasn't been updated in probably 10+ years. I'm thinking about
switching to RR-Track.

- Peter.


On 09/08/2012 9:59 am, John wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Brady, or others who might have used rrtrack,
>
> What features did you find most helpful, and what features or lack of features disappointed.
>
> I'm going to take down my existing layout and start from scratch and design two layouts connected via 2 bridges: a 4x16 and a 6x10.
>
> One area that would be particularly of interest to me is the ability to quickly construct different designs to see what might make optimal use of the board space I have to work with - possibly drawing from some examples. I see that rrtracks seems to have some libraries, but they were all O scale, no S scale.
>
> If I get that right I could go on to more detailed design issues.
>

--

Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed
<http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/>
Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/>
N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/>
--


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70443 From: Louis Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Lubricating and drying penetrants
Several have mentioned Kroil for use as a penetrating oil. Its been the best penetrating oil that I use and it gets my vote. Not necessarily easy to find at the local hardware stores. For those of you who attend the TCA meets in York, one of the vendor sells it in the Orange Hall.
Lou Baldi

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> George makes an accurate observation. Pentrating oils and WD-40 are not the same thing. However, in both cases, you must give them time to work.
>
> Penetrants like "Blaster" and others are very thin oil and penetrate the rust and corrosion by capillary action to lubricate the "stuck" areas. They work very well on "old" rust and long time corroded items.
>
> WD-40 is a drying penetrant and works best on damp "active" rust and corrosion by drying it out. In many cases, "drying out" the rust will allow the parts to release because the built up rust particles will no longer "hold" the joint.
>
> To illustrate the differences; I got a very rusty #310 and used WD-40 first because the loco and tender had come directly from a damp basement where several rotten cardboard boxes of trains had been stored for nearly ten years. I gave the screws, bolts, and parts several sprays of WD-40, and then tried them the next day. Most came apart successfully on the first try.
>
> In the case of a #300 which had been alternately cooking and freezing in an attic for forty years, the WD-40 was pretty ineffective, because drying was not the problem. Penetrating oil worked after two days of soaking the rust and carefully working with tools.
>
> In addition to penetrants, some light tapping with a small manner around the "stuck" area sometimes helps free bolts and parts. Heat is a last resort for small parts (like toy trains,)and usually ruins them before they come apart.
>
> This is something I learned from restoring and hot rodding old cars. And yes, we used a torch a LOT too. But only when we were working with heavy castings, stampings, and such.
>
> I'm sure others have their own tricks to take things apart, or have had different results. It might be interesting if they would add to this discussion for those of us who tinker with old stuff.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70444 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Brady,

Thanks for that! RR-Track looks pretty good. I wish they had a trial version or even a downloadable version so the flex track behavior could be tested. It looks like the learning curve is not too steep.

Thanks again,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> Take a look at http://www.rrtrack.com/
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
> Sent: Fri Sep 07 18:07:08 CDT 2012
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Track planning software
>
>
>
>
> As an empty-nester I now have a potential for a train space in the basement. The space is 20ft by 10ft on one end and 8ft on the other. Not exactly room for an empire but space for a decent hi-rail layout with structures and scenery. I will keep the ceiling level layout in the rec room for running AF, especially around the holidays. The goal for the new layout is to be closer to scale with operations in mind.
>
> Can those of you who have used track planning software share your thoughts. There are plenty of systems out there but until you use it with a purpose you don't know how good it really is. Layers and scenery and elevations would be nice. I anticipate a learning curve but am not willing to start with AutoCAD...
>
> Suggestions and thoughts are appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70445 From: Bob Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Electronic Coupler Problem
I just returned from a local Nashville train show and a friend of mine has an electronic coupler on his "Big Boy" 4-8-8-4 made in 2008. He stated that the coupler keeps opening up and he has tried fixing the problem with no results.

Has anyone out there in S-Trains that has had this problem and was able to get it fixed? Please let me know. Much appreciated.

Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 70446 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
RR-Track also has libraries for Flyer accessories and Plasticville.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: Peter Vanvliet <groups@...>
Sent: Sat Sep 08 12:19:02 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Track planning software




Hi John,

I was just visiting the site, and I noticed that they do have S track
libraries (5 of them):

http://www.rrtrack.com/html/s-gauge_track.html

I have been using "3D Railroad Concept and Design"
(http://www.theliquidateher.com/3drrconceptanddesign-windows.html), but
it hasn't been updated in probably 10+ years. I'm thinking about
switching to RR-Track.

- Peter.

On 09/08/2012 9:59 am, John wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Brady, or others who might have used rrtrack,
>
> What features did you find most helpful, and what features or lack of features disappointed.
>
> I'm going to take down my existing layout and start from scratch and design two layouts connected via 2 bridges: a 4x16 and a 6x10.
>
> One area that would be particularly of interest to me is the ability to quickly construct different designs to see what might make optimal use of the board space I have to work with - possibly drawing from some examples. I see that rrtracks seems to have some libraries, but they were all O scale, no S scale.
>
> If I get that right I could go on to more detailed design issues.
>

--

Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed
<http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/>
Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/>
N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/>
--

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70447 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Electronic Coupler Problem
It might be appropriate to ask who has NOT had coupler problems on some
the LTI stuff.

Steve
SnS


In a message dated 9/8/2012 2:44:55 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
aftrains4u@... writes:




I just returned from a local Nashville train show and a friend of mine has
an electronic coupler on his "Big Boy" 4-8-8-4 made in 2008. He stated that
the coupler keeps opening up and he has tried fixing the problem with no
results.

Has anyone out there in S-Trains that has had this problem and was able to
get it fixed? Please let me know. Much appreciated.

Bob






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Group: S-Trains Message: 70448 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
John,

You'll find out very quickly if your design will fit in the space available. Save it, come back the next day and see how it looks. Much easier to find out if that yard or industrial area will fit before you start building. Might save money on track since you'll only buy what you need.

I can't say there are any disappointments, but there are some things the software can't tell you. For example, a particular accessory might fit between two tracks, but there might not be enough clearance for the trains to pass

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: John <vu68@...>
Sent: Sat Sep 08 09:59:51 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Track planning software






Brady, or others who might have used rrtrack,

What features did you find most helpful, and what features or lack of features disappointed.

I'm going to take down my existing layout and start from scratch and design two layouts connected via 2 bridges: a 4x16 and a 6x10.

One area that would be particularly of interest to me is the ability to quickly construct different designs to see what might make optimal use of the board space I have to work with - possibly drawing from some examples. I see that rrtracks seems to have some libraries, but they were all O scale, no S scale.

If I get that right I could go on to more detailed design issues.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> Take a look at http://www.rrtrack.com/
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
> Sent: Fri Sep 07 18:07:08 CDT 2012
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Track planning software
>
>
>
>
> As an empty-nester I now have a potential for a train space in the basement. The space is 20ft by 10ft on one end and 8ft on the other. Not exactly room for an empire but space for a decent hi-rail layout with structures and scenery. I will keep the ceiling level layout in the rec room for running AF, especially around the holidays. The goal for the new layout is to be closer to scale with operations in mind.
>
> Can those of you who have used track planning software share your thoughts. There are plenty of systems out there but until you use it with a purpose you don't know how good it really is. Layers and scenery and elevations would be nice. I anticipate a learning curve but am not willing to start with AutoCAD...
>
> Suggestions and thoughts are appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70449 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: The Bumpus House
The Clever Models Company House built using the optional "distressed" parts..

http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/8891865131709023

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70450 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
I have used RRTrack for several years and recently upgraded to the
latest version. I used it to create files for most all of the classic
Gilbert Display layouts on my website, www.americanflyerdisplays.org.
They can be downloaded and manipulated if you have the software.

As to flex track, I found that to be difficult to use. Instead, where
sectional track couldn't be used, I created custom curves in a selected
radius and placed them where I would be using the flex track to create
them in actuality.

It has a good library of accessories and while not all are included,
there is usually something pretty close that can be substituted. Also,
there are drawing tools available to create shapes for other structures.

Dale Smith


On 9/8/2012 12:41 PM, tbennerohio wrote:
>
>
> Brady,
>
> Thanks for that! RR-Track looks pretty good. I wish they had a trial
> version or even a downloadable version so the flex track behavior
> could be tested. It looks like the learning curve is not too steep.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
> >
> > Tim,
> >
> > Take a look at http://www.rrtrack.com/
> >
> > Brady
> >
> > Sent from my Kindle Fire
> >
> >
> >
> > _____________________________________________
> > From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
> > Sent: Fri Sep 07 18:07:08 CDT 2012
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Track planning software
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As an empty-nester I now have a potential for a train space in the
> basement. The space is 20ft by 10ft on one end and 8ft on the other.
> Not exactly room for an empire but space for a decent hi-rail layout
> with structures and scenery. I will keep the ceiling level layout in
> the rec room for running AF, especially around the holidays. The goal
> for the new layout is to be closer to scale with operations in mind.
> >
> > Can those of you who have used track planning software share your
> thoughts. There are plenty of systems out there but until you use it
> with a purpose you don't know how good it really is. Layers and
> scenery and elevations would be nice. I anticipate a learning curve
> but am not willing to start with AutoCAD...
> >
> > Suggestions and thoughts are appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tim Benner
> > Dayton, Ohio
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70451 From: John Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Peter,

I guess I wasn't clear, I did see that they had 5 S track libraries, but they did not have complete layout examples in S, as they do in O gauge

http://www.rrtrack.com/html/examples.html


If they had a layout example, I was hoping to cut and paste part of it into my design and to get a quick start, then edit the original layout to suite what I wanted.


I suppose that if you can cut and paste farily conveniently, the users could post their individual designs to a file in this forum for exchanging ideas and helping fellow train enthusiasts who are using this product. As an ex IT guy, we had various user forums that adopted this approach with varying degrees of success.


Still, it seems that reviews are by and large positive.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Peter Vanvliet <groups@...> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> I was just visiting the site, and I noticed that they do have S track
> libraries (5 of them):
>
> http://www.rrtrack.com/html/s-gauge_track.html
>
> I have been using "3D Railroad Concept and Design"
> (http://www.theliquidateher.com/3drrconceptanddesign-windows.html), but
> it hasn't been updated in probably 10+ years. I'm thinking about
> switching to RR-Track.
>
> - Peter.
>
>
> On 09/08/2012 9:59 am, John wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Brady, or others who might have used rrtrack,
> >
> > What features did you find most helpful, and what features or lack of features disappointed.
> >
> > I'm going to take down my existing layout and start from scratch and design two layouts connected via 2 bridges: a 4x16 and a 6x10.
> >
> > One area that would be particularly of interest to me is the ability to quickly construct different designs to see what might make optimal use of the board space I have to work with - possibly drawing from some examples. I see that rrtracks seems to have some libraries, but they were all O scale, no S scale.
> >
> > If I get that right I could go on to more detailed design issues.
> >
>
> --
>
> Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
> Houston, Texas
>
> My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed
> <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
> Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/>
> Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/>
> N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/>
> --
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70452 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
I guess you could make easements by using wide radius custom curves. Is there a way to make custom turnouts, or are you limited to off the shelf components?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale F. Smith" <dalefsmith@...> wrote:
>
> I have used RRTrack for several years and recently upgraded to the
> latest version. I used it to create files for most all of the classic
> Gilbert Display layouts on my website, www.americanflyerdisplays.org.
> They can be downloaded and manipulated if you have the software.
>
> As to flex track, I found that to be difficult to use. Instead, where
> sectional track couldn't be used, I created custom curves in a selected
> radius and placed them where I would be using the flex track to create
> them in actuality.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70453 From: rapidrail1 Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
While they don't have a downloadable test version or base version, when you buy your initial CD you will get a password with which you can download upgrades and buy additional libraries (I think). I wonder if they will add the new Lionel S guage Fast Tracks?

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote:
>
>
> Brady,
>
> Thanks for that! RR-Track looks pretty good. I wish they had a trial version or even a downloadable version so the flex track behavior could be tested. It looks like the learning curve is not too steep.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@> wrote:
> >
> > Tim,
> >
Group: S-Trains Message: 70454 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Electronic Coupler Problem
Hi Steve. With many problems with electronic couplers does Lionel or other S-Gaugers’ like you have solutions to keeping the couplers in lock position while pulling cars?



Bob







From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boss31@...
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 4:23 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Electronic Coupler Problem





It might be appropriate to ask who has NOT had coupler problems on some
the LTI stuff.

Steve
SnS


In a message dated 9/8/2012 2:44:55 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
aftrains4u@... <mailto:aftrains4u%40yahoo.com> writes:

I just returned from a local Nashville train show and a friend of mine has
an electronic coupler on his "Big Boy" 4-8-8-4 made in 2008. He stated that
the coupler keeps opening up and he has tried fixing the problem with no
results.

Has anyone out there in S-Trains that has had this problem and was able to
get it fixed? Please let me know. Much appreciated.

Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70455 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Electronic Coupler Problem
There are two reasons that electronic couplers can open on their own.

Mechanical failure do to a weak plunger spring or faulty knuckle.
Disassembly and stretching the spring may help. Replacement couplers are available.

Or electronic noise spikes triggering the coupler triac.
This may be helped by adding a 1UF NON polarized capacitor (Radio Shack) across the coupler leads.
This only works on locos using a R2LC or R4LC receiver. (the big Boy uses a R4LC)



Carl


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70456 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Electronic Coupler Problem
Hi Carl. Thanks for the fix information on the Big Boy. Where can We get
replacement couplers? Do we contact Lionel? I'm forwarding this
information on to my train friend Ron. Thanks again and your expertise is
greatly appreciated. Take care.



Bob



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of carl@...
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:34 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Electronic Coupler Problem





There are two reasons that electronic couplers can open on their own.

Mechanical failure do to a weak plunger spring or faulty knuckle.
Disassembly and stretching the spring may help. Replacement couplers are
available.

Or electronic noise spikes triggering the coupler triac.
This may be helped by adding a 1UF NON polarized capacitor (Radio Shack)
across the coupler leads.
This only works on locos using a R2LC or R4LC receiver. (the big Boy uses a
R4LC)

Carl

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70457 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Electronic Coupler Problem
Bob,

The part number is 6948070T70 for $12.00 available on Lionel's parts order
web page.

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Bob Iannacone
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 6:38 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Electronic Coupler Problem



Hi Carl. Thanks for the fix information on the Big Boy. Where can We get
replacement couplers? Do we contact Lionel? I'm forwarding this
information on to my train friend Ron. Thanks again and your expertise is
greatly appreciated. Take care.

Bob

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of carl@...
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:34 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Electronic Coupler Problem

There are two reasons that electronic couplers can open on their own.

Mechanical failure do to a weak plunger spring or faulty knuckle.
Disassembly and stretching the spring may help. Replacement couplers are
available.

Or electronic noise spikes triggering the coupler triac.
This may be helped by adding a 1UF NON polarized capacitor (Radio Shack)
across the coupler leads.
This only works on locos using a R2LC or R4LC receiver. (the big Boy uses
a
R4LC)

Carl

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70458 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Electronic Coupler Problem
Thanks for the help on the part Carl. You are a valuable resource. Have a
great week ahead. Take care.



Bob



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of carl@...
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 6:55 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Electronic Coupler Problem





Bob,

The part number is 6948070T70 for $12.00 available on Lionel's parts order
web page.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ]On
Behalf
Of Bob Iannacone
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 6:38 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Electronic Coupler Problem

Hi Carl. Thanks for the fix information on the Big Boy. Where can We get
replacement couplers? Do we contact Lionel? I'm forwarding this
information on to my train friend Ron. Thanks again and your expertise is
greatly appreciated. Take care.

Bob

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of carl@... <mailto:carl%40tuveson.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:34 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Electronic Coupler Problem

There are two reasons that electronic couplers can open on their own.

Mechanical failure do to a weak plunger spring or faulty knuckle.
Disassembly and stretching the spring may help. Replacement couplers are
available.

Or electronic noise spikes triggering the coupler triac.
This may be helped by adding a 1UF NON polarized capacitor (Radio Shack)
across the coupler leads.
This only works on locos using a R2LC or R4LC receiver. (the big Boy uses
a
R4LC)

Carl

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70459 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Track planning software
If you want full sample layouts, go to
http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org//factory_displays/factory_displays_overview_nf.htm
and pick one of the layout. While not all the layouts have RRTrack
files you can download, many do have such files that you can open in
your copy of RRTrack software. You can use them for your cutting an
pasting.

As to copying and pasting, that works fine from one layout to another
for both track and accessories.

As to the turnouts, all 5 libraries contain turnouts. All the
libraries join with only their own track, except the Gargraves library,
which will join with the standard American Flyer track library. The
Gargraves library does contain a "standard 10 degree turnout."

By the way, for Pikemaster curves, I used custom 15" radius - 45 degree
sections using the American Flyer Library. With the extensive libraries
of S gauge track, you can create just about anything you want with a
little creativity.

Dale


On 9/9/2012 8:27 AM, John wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> I guess I wasn't clear, I did see that they had 5 S track libraries,
> but they did not have complete layout examples in S, as they do in O
> gauge
>
> http://www.rrtrack.com/html/examples.html
>
> If they had a layout example, I was hoping to cut and paste part of it
> into my design and to get a quick start, then edit the original layout
> to suite what I wanted.
>
> I suppose that if you can cut and paste farily conveniently, the users
> could post their individual designs to a file in this forum for
> exchanging ideas and helping fellow train enthusiasts who are using
> this product. As an ex IT guy, we had various user forums that adopted
> this approach with varying degrees of success.
>
> Still, it seems that reviews are by and large positive.
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Peter Vanvliet <groups@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > I was just visiting the site, and I noticed that they do have S track
> > libraries (5 of them):
> >
> > http://www.rrtrack.com/html/s-gauge_track.html
> >
> > I have been using "3D Railroad Concept and Design"
> > (http://www.theliquidateher.com/3drrconceptanddesign-windows.html), but
> > it hasn't been updated in probably 10+ years. I'm thinking about
> > switching to RR-Track.
> >
> > - Peter.
> >
> >
> > On 09/08/2012 9:59 am, John wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Brady, or others who might have used rrtrack,
> > >
> > > What features did you find most helpful, and what features or lack
> of features disappointed.
> > >
> > > I'm going to take down my existing layout and start from scratch
> and design two layouts connected via 2 bridges: a 4x16 and a 6x10.
> > >
> > > One area that would be particularly of interest to me is the
> ability to quickly construct different designs to see what might make
> optimal use of the board space I have to work with - possibly drawing
> from some examples. I see that rrtracks seems to have some libraries,
> but they were all O scale, no S scale.
> > >
> > > If I get that right I could go on to more detailed design issues.
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
> > Houston, Texas
> >
> > My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed
> > <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>)
> > Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/>
> > Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/>
> > N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/>
> > --
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70460 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Why no Freight Locomotives?
Having spent most of my toy and model train "career" learning about real railroading and using that as a guide, I have often wondered why American Flyer never made a Freight Locomotive? Sure Gilbert made plenty of Atlantics, Hudsons, four different Pacifics, two 4-4-0s, Northerns, and they made 0-6-0 and 0-8-0 switchers, but ZERO actual Freight engines.

No Consolidations, Mikados, Berkshires, or Mountains, not even a lowly 2-6-2 Praire type. Yes, the 4-4-0's were used as both in early times, 4-8-4's often were used in Freight service, and some roads used Pacifics as high speed Freight engines, particularly with blocks of reefers. But until S Helper Service and Flyonel came along, not one 2-8-0 (most built of ALL steam locomotives) or Mikados, both of which were the most plentiful Freight types of the steam era.

Freight engines are well known for low drivers for pulling power. Flyer HAD small diameter drivers on the switchers. It would seem that making a plastic boiler shell with front truck for either the Pennsy 0-6-0 or NKP 0-8-0 chassis would be a minor stretch for Gilbert to make an entirely new engine type to sell. After all, I built my own 2-8-0 out of a junker #343 0-8-0 by scratchbuilding a new pilot and using a Rex pilot truck.

Of the major "toy" train manufacturers, American Flyer was known as being the most realistic of them. I wonder why they felt the need for so many Passenger engines when they made so many more freight cars than passenger cars? Theories anyone?
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70461 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Re: Why no Freight Locomotives?
Stumpy,

While they did have a Berkshire, you saw a lot of passenger power from Lionel too. Semi-scale Hudson's and S-2 turbines, baby husdons, a K-4 of sorts and the N&W J. Both makes did warbonnet deisels in freight sets.

Perhaps a combination of the publics first-hand experience with passenger power, along with railroad advertising, newsreels and images of glorious name trains in movies.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Sent: Mon Sep 10 10:02:08 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Why no Freight Locomotives?




Having spent most of my toy and model train "career" learning about real railroading and using that as a guide, I have often wondered why American Flyer never made a Freight Locomotive? Sure Gilbert made plenty of Atlantics, Hudsons, four different Pacifics, two 4-4-0s, Northerns, and they made 0-6-0 and 0-8-0 switchers, but ZERO actual Freight engines.

No Consolidations, Mikados, Berkshires, or Mountains, not even a lowly 2-6-2 Praire type. Yes, the 4-4-0's were used as both in early times, 4-8-4's often were used in Freight service, and some roads used Pacifics as high speed Freight engines, particularly with blocks of reefers. But until S Helper Service and Flyonel came along, not one 2-8-0 (most built of ALL steam locomotives) or Mikados, both of which were the most plentiful Freight types of the steam era.

Freight engines are well known for low drivers for pulling power. Flyer HAD small diameter drivers on the switchers. It would seem that making a plastic boiler shell with front truck for either the Pennsy 0-6-0 or NKP 0-8-0 chassis would be a minor stretch for Gilbert to make an entirely new engine type to sell. After all, I built my own 2-8-0 out of a junker #343 0-8-0 by scratchbuilding a new pilot and using a Rex pilot truck.

Of the major "toy" train manufacturers, American Flyer was known as being the most realistic of them. I wonder why they felt the need for so many Passenger engines when they made so many more freight cars than passenger cars? Theories anyone?
Stumpy in Ahia





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70462 From: tbennerohio Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Re: Why no Freight Locomotives?
Stumpy,

I have often wondered the same thing, perhaps in a different way... why didn't they build anything with a two wheel leading truck? COuld it have been problematic or expensive? To this day, I envy the Lionel guys for their Berkshires, stubby or not. That would be a great (full-length) S model. Who knows, maybe MTH will bring us one. Just in case anyone from MTH R&D is reading, a Baldwin Shark would be nice too.

In the end, I think Brady is probably right. Passenger trains were more relatable, especially before the war, when most of the AF steam locomotives were designed and tooled.

Regards,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 70463 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Re: Why no Freight Locomotives?
In my O gauge days I had a Lionel prairie, the two-wheel leading truck bounced around a lot.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
Sent: Mon Sep 10 13:39:21 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Why no Freight Locomotives?




Stumpy,

I have often wondered the same thing, perhaps in a different way... why didn't they build anything with a two wheel leading truck? COuld it have been problematic or expensive? To this day, I envy the Lionel guys for their Berkshires, stubby or not. That would be a great (full-length) S model. Who knows, maybe MTH will bring us one. Just in case anyone from MTH R&D is reading, a Baldwin Shark would be nice too.

In the end, I think Brady is probably right. Passenger trains were more relatable, especially before the war, when most of the AF steam locomotives were designed and tooled.

Regards,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70464 From: NEIL Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: GG-1
I came across a GG-1 and I'd like to know if anyone has seen one like this before. The pics are in the Neil's pics folder. It's DC & the motors say Pittman USA. The truck frames seem over sized to me, like they are O-gauge. There is nothing else that indicates a manufacturer. It could be a kit bash but I don't know. Any ideas?

Neil
Group: S-Trains Message: 70465 From: Alan Evans Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1
Hello Chris,



The model you have was made by Fairfield Models of near
Dayton, Ohio. His GG-1s were painted in either Tuscan red and Brunswick
Green. If I recall, they listed for around $239 to $250, hi rail only. He
also made some PA shells, I believe.



The model is crude -- sideframes oversized, Pittman motor
-- compared to AM's GG1.



- Alan Evans,

o Gahanna, Ohio



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of NEIL
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:11 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] GG-1





I came across a GG-1 and I'd like to know if anyone has seen one like this
before. The pics are in the Neil's pics folder. It's DC & the motors say
Pittman USA. The truck frames seem over sized to me, like they are O-gauge.
There is nothing else that indicates a manufacturer. It could be a kit bash
but I don't know. Any ideas?

Neil





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70466 From: David Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Pike Master Coupler To Knuckle Conversion Fitting (advertisement)
After many, many months we finally have the pike master to operating
knuckle coupler fitting avaliable. This fitting we have also found out
can be used to sill mount AF couplers as well as to use in kit bashing
other trucks. Please use the link below to view/purchase:

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html>

The price for these fittings is $1.25 ea. (fitting & mounting screw)
with instructions.

LBR



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70467 From: bobnalbone04 Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Announcement: 1:64 Modeling Guide Website Updated
Good evening. I just completed some updates to the 1:64 Modeling Guide website (www.1-64ModelingGuide.com). The Summer, 2012 issue (Volume 12, Number 3) is now available for sale (subscribers should have received their copy last week--IF their e-mail addresses are up to date on my database). Also available are the spring and winter issues (Volume 12, Numbers 1 & 2, respectively) and the re-released digital version of the Winter, 2008 issue (Volume 10, Number 1), as well as two new e-Feature articles.

Hope to see some of you at the Central Jersey S Scalers' fall meet later this month at S Helper/Hoquat headquarters.

Bob Nalbone
Editor & Publisher
1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
www.1-64ModelingGuide.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 70468 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 9/11/2012
Subject: Gilbert #23796 sawmill for sale
I have a Gilbert #23796 sawmill for sale. It is cosmetically in C-7 Excellent condition and works flawlessly. The blue operator figure is a reproduction, but everything else is original. There are three wood planks. It comes in the original box which is in P-6 very good condition.

Pictures are available on request.

The 2012 TM guide lists it at $175 in excellent condition. That does not include the box. Make offer.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70469 From: aztecfan Date: 9/11/2012
Subject: SCULLIN DISC WHEELS Circa 1938.
What AF engines may have used these.

I want to convert more AF engines, but it is hard to learn all this stuff.

Why can't we have a page on each AF engine and on the page show all the parts from each manufacturer.

Then list in formation on that manufacture.for each AF engine.

I wanted to buy new boiler fronts 20 years ago. I don't have time to waist do you?

I would have bought all these at one time, but I never knew which ones fit witch ones.

I am redoing a 283. I'll document this engine and buy parts, but I need the help of the manufactures.

Just adding interior detail and black rims would help. I removed the piping. New piping makes a big difference. Adding more piping would be even better.

Now a new chimney, marker lights and head light would be big.

What we need is new pilot wheels.

Help. Can we find On3 wheels, which I have seen people use, but never say where they get them. Would HO diesel wheels work?

How about adding detail to the side of the pilot.

How about adding leaf springs under the frame.

If 5 of us worked on this project it would go much faster.

We can add a new AF trailing truck or a brass one.

Help.

Jim Sleeth
Group: S-Trains Message: 70470 From: Warner, Ronald Date: 9/11/2012
Subject: need Wabash decals, if possible
I need HO or S-scale water-slide [NOT dry transfer] decals for a 40' or 50' Wasbash boxcar (or other Wabash freight car) ... Wabash lettering must be white



I realize this is a somewhat unusual request, but felt someone out there might have ... as some HO packets contain decals for 2 or 3 roadnames & just maybe you didn't use the Wabash ones in your packet.



I've repainted/decaling an AC Gilbert S '633' boxcar for a young man in our local model RR club who "wants to go S"; I had an unused HO decal set for Wabash boxcar and after decaling one side, discovered that the 'WABASH' was not printed on the second-half of the set !!

[ did you ever get an empty packet of coffee creamer or black pepper @ the diner ??]



... in any case, thanks so much, in advance, for reading / considering my request



Ron Warner



NASG, TTOS & TCA


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70471 From: Roy Inman Date: 9/11/2012
Subject: Re: need Wabash decals, if possible
Caboose Hobbies in Denver has boat loads of transfers and decals.
Roy



From: "Warner, Ronald" <ronald.warner@...>
Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:20:06 -0500
To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] need Wabash decals, if possible








I need HO or S-scale water-slide [NOT dry transfer] decals for a 40' or 50'
Wasbash boxcar (or other Wabash freight car) ... Wabash lettering must be
white

I realize this is a somewhat unusual request, but felt someone out there
might have ... as some HO packets contain decals for 2 or 3 roadnames & just
maybe you didn't use the Wabash ones in your packet.

I've repainted/decaling an AC Gilbert S '633' boxcar for a young man in our
local model RR club who "wants to go S"; I had an unused HO decal set for
Wabash boxcar and after decaling one side, discovered that the 'WABASH' was
not printed on the second-half of the set !!

[ did you ever get an empty packet of coffee creamer or black pepper @ the
diner ??]

... in any case, thanks so much, in advance, for reading / considering my
request

Ron Warner

NASG, TTOS & TCA

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70472 From: Thorin Marty Date: 9/12/2012
Subject: DCC decoder and S-n-S steam locomotive conversion
Good evening:

I have an AF 0-8-0. I plan to add an S-n-S DC motor. (I can see the motor from
where I sit.) Then convert the whole thing to DCC.

Would a Digitrax DH123 be able to run this unit? (We can ignore the smoke
unit. I don't smoke and neither do my trains. I 'unplugged' it years ago.)
According to Digitrax, a DH123 has a 3.5 amp capacity.

The headlights are another worry. Will it be able to run the original AF
headlights or do I have to change to lower current bulbs?

Should I be looking at a different decoder?
Thorin


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70473 From: Thorin Date: 9/12/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1
Dear Chris:

I had one of these and sold it. Amusing, I now have two of these mechanisms without shells. I keep a database on all of my trains. Here is the entry for the Imfeld GG1.

4801, Imfeld: PRR GG-1 by Imfeld
Car type | Electric: GG-1
Manufacturer |
A. D. Imfeld Co., 365 Beech Ave.,
Fairfield, OH 45014 (513) 896-6516
Car number | 4801
RR name | Pennsylvania.
Greenberg 1992 Volume | -
Greenberg 1992 Page | -
Greenberg 1992 Var. | -
Value | - Sold -
Date of Value | July 1, 2000 – date of sale.
Source of Value | Original price
Greenberg 1984 Page | -
Greenberg 1984 Var. | -
Year manufactured | 1985
Original price | $240.00
Date Purchased/Recv'd | July, 1985
Price paid | $240.00
Last Owner | A. D. Imfeld Co.
Received New/Used | New
Condition | EX
Unique | -
Original Box | -
Instructions | -
Entry created date | Before March 20, 1997
Comments |
{
GG-1.
Quoting the add in the January/February issue of the S Gaugian: "S Gauge GG-1. Designed for tinplate operation. AC or DC models available. Construction features: machined nickel-plated steel wheels with precision ground stainless steel axles; industrial quality bronze bearings; forged, welded and ground steel frame; two Pittman DC-86 motors; Hobbytown of Boston universals; all metal gearing; headlights and operable pantographs. Send SASE for brochure. Price: $229.00." The add includes photographs of the GG-1 in both the green and red single strip PRR paint schemes.

On February 5, 1985 I send an SASE about this locomotive.

On February 18, 1985 I sent another letter indicating that I wanted a Brunswick Green GG-1 and I planned to pay 6 payments of $40.00 each. I also stated that if the payment plan was satisfactory then I did not expect to hear from him. I included the first payment.
Second payment of $40.00 made March 15, 1985.
Third payment of $40.00 made April 17, 1985.
Fourth payment of $40.00 made May 13, 1985.
Fifth payment of $80.00 made May 17, 1985. I don't remember what happened, but I received some moneys that I had not expected and thus was able to finish paying early.

On June 20, 1985 I sent a letter asking where is my GG-1?
The locomotive arrived two weeks later with the front coupler broken off at the shank. I glued it back together. The instructions say to lubricate with a 10W oil.
Schematic drawing of the AC version done on August 15, 1985 in Chester Connecticut. I remember disassembling her on the kitchen table.

On October 11, 1985 I wrote the A. D. Imfeld Co. and informed them of the transit damage. I indicated that I felt the locomotive would have shipped better disassembled I inquired about the paint because some was flaking off the frame when received. I also indicated that the locomotive seemed to grind when running.

On October 25th I received an answer from A.I. Imfeld. The black paint is generally Testers. Some of the models were painted with Rustolium gloss black. The grind he felt was due to the locomotive not being broken in.
She is painted Brunswick Green in the simplified cats whisker scheme. This has the single wide stripe rather than five narrow stripes. It also has large PRR emblems rather than the 5 strip small. The wide stripe scheme was the only scheme available. Catherine suggested green paint rather then red, which was also available.

Observed in CT: Although she goes around AF curves, the body is mounted to the top of the center two trucks. When she goes around a curve, the pantographs swing wide: far wider than I build catenary for. Therefore I have not converted her to run off of overhead.
This locomotive is a dog to put on the rails. She just has too many wheels. Once on, she stays on as I don't take her off the track. Although the prototype is 2-C+C-2, she is 2-A1A-A1A-2 with the middle wheel of the A1A being of much smaller diameter.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Evans" <alan@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Chris,
>
>
>
> The model you have was made by Fairfield Models of near
> Dayton, Ohio. His GG-1s were painted in either Tuscan red and Brunswick
> Green. If I recall, they listed for around $239 to $250, hi rail only. He
> also made some PA shells, I believe.
>
>
>
> The model is crude -- sideframes oversized, Pittman motor
> -- compared to AM's GG1.
>
>
>
> - Alan Evans,
>
> o Gahanna, Ohio
>
>
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of NEIL
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:11 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] GG-1
>
>
>
>
>
> I came across a GG-1 and I'd like to know if anyone has seen one like this
> before. The pics are in the Neil's pics folder. It's DC & the motors say
> Pittman USA. The truck frames seem over sized to me, like they are O-gauge.
> There is nothing else that indicates a manufacturer. It could be a kit bash
> but I don't know. Any ideas?
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70474 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/12/2012
Subject: Re: DCC decoder and S-n-S steam locomotive conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 70475 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/12/2012
Subject: Re: DCC decoder and S-n-S steam locomotive conversion
Dear Thorin,
I am not sure where your info comes from, but when these decoders were released, Digitrax claimed the they were 1.5/2.0 amp (operating/peak). Unless things changed, you might need to use these numbers when evaluating the stall current of the new motor and amp draw of the original bulbs.
Don

On Sep 11, 2012, at 11:17 PM, Thorin Marty wrote:

> Good evening:
>
> I have an AF 0-8-0. I plan to add an S-n-S DC motor. (I can see the motor from
> where I sit.) Then convert the whole thing to DCC.
>
> Would a Digitrax DH123 be able to run this unit? (We can ignore the smoke
> unit. I don't smoke and neither do my trains. I 'unplugged' it years ago.)
> According to Digitrax, a DH123 has a 3.5 amp capacity.
>
> The headlights are another worry. Will it be able to run the original AF
> headlights or do I have to change to lower current bulbs?
>
> Should I be looking at a different decoder?
> Thorin
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70476 From: Thorin Date: 9/12/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1
Dear Chris:

I forgot to mention:

The Imfeld GG-1 is a good puller. It weighs twice an American Models GG-1 (or more). The new owner wanted it because it can pull five extruded aluminum American Flyer coaches up an American Flyer trestle set without breaking a sweat. An American Models GG-1 would just sit and spin its wheels BEFORE getting to the slope.

It IS crude. It is also the first commercially available GG-1 in S. It was intended to be 'What A.C. would have built if he brought out a GG-1'. I sold it because of the pantograph swing. My other two mechanisms, which were purchased a decade later without shells, will become NYNH&H electrics where the pantographs are over the pivot trucks and thus stay under the wire.

The American Models GG-1 is a work of art. But for raw stump pulling the Imfeld has it beat.

Thorin

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Thorin" <lagthor@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Chris:
>
> I had one of these and sold it. Amusing, I now have two of these mechanisms without shells. I keep a database on all of my trains. Here is the entry for the Imfeld GG1.
>
> 4801, Imfeld: PRR GG-1 by Imfeld
> Car type | Electric: GG-1
> Manufacturer |
> A. D. Imfeld Co., 365 Beech Ave.,
> Fairfield, OH 45014 (513) 896-6516
> Car number | 4801
> RR name | Pennsylvania.
> Greenberg 1992 Volume | -
> Greenberg 1992 Page | -
> Greenberg 1992 Var. | -
> Value | - Sold -
> Date of Value | July 1, 2000 – date of sale.
> Source of Value | Original price
> Greenberg 1984 Page | -
> Greenberg 1984 Var. | -
> Year manufactured | 1985
> Original price | $240.00
> Date Purchased/Recv'd | July, 1985
> Price paid | $240.00
> Last Owner | A. D. Imfeld Co.
> Received New/Used | New
> Condition | EX
> Unique | -
> Original Box | -
> Instructions | -
> Entry created date | Before March 20, 1997
> Comments |
> {
> GG-1.
> Quoting the add in the January/February issue of the S Gaugian: "S Gauge GG-1. Designed for tinplate operation. AC or DC models available. Construction features: machined nickel-plated steel wheels with precision ground stainless steel axles; industrial quality bronze bearings; forged, welded and ground steel frame; two Pittman DC-86 motors; Hobbytown of Boston universals; all metal gearing; headlights and operable pantographs. Send SASE for brochure. Price: $229.00." The add includes photographs of the GG-1 in both the green and red single strip PRR paint schemes.
>
> On February 5, 1985 I send an SASE about this locomotive.
>
> On February 18, 1985 I sent another letter indicating that I wanted a Brunswick Green GG-1 and I planned to pay 6 payments of $40.00 each. I also stated that if the payment plan was satisfactory then I did not expect to hear from him. I included the first payment.
> Second payment of $40.00 made March 15, 1985.
> Third payment of $40.00 made April 17, 1985.
> Fourth payment of $40.00 made May 13, 1985.
> Fifth payment of $80.00 made May 17, 1985. I don't remember what happened, but I received some moneys that I had not expected and thus was able to finish paying early.
>
> On June 20, 1985 I sent a letter asking where is my GG-1?
> The locomotive arrived two weeks later with the front coupler broken off at the shank. I glued it back together. The instructions say to lubricate with a 10W oil.
> Schematic drawing of the AC version done on August 15, 1985 in Chester Connecticut. I remember disassembling her on the kitchen table.
>
> On October 11, 1985 I wrote the A. D. Imfeld Co. and informed them of the transit damage. I indicated that I felt the locomotive would have shipped better disassembled I inquired about the paint because some was flaking off the frame when received. I also indicated that the locomotive seemed to grind when running.
>
> On October 25th I received an answer from A.I. Imfeld. The black paint is generally Testers. Some of the models were painted with Rustolium gloss black. The grind he felt was due to the locomotive not being broken in.
> She is painted Brunswick Green in the simplified cats whisker scheme. This has the single wide stripe rather than five narrow stripes. It also has large PRR emblems rather than the 5 strip small. The wide stripe scheme was the only scheme available. Catherine suggested green paint rather then red, which was also available.
>
> Observed in CT: Although she goes around AF curves, the body is mounted to the top of the center two trucks. When she goes around a curve, the pantographs swing wide: far wider than I build catenary for. Therefore I have not converted her to run off of overhead.
> This locomotive is a dog to put on the rails. She just has too many wheels. Once on, she stays on as I don't take her off the track. Although the prototype is 2-C+C-2, she is 2-A1A-A1A-2 with the middle wheel of the A1A being of much smaller diameter.
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Evans" <alan@> wrote:
> > Hello Chris,
> > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of NEIL
> > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:11 PM
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [S-Trains] GG-1
> >
I came across a GG-1 and I'd like to know if anyone has seen one like this before. The pics are in the Neil's pics folder. It's DC & the motors say Pittman USA. The truck frames seem over sized to me, like they are O-gauge.

There is nothing else that indicates a manufacturer. It could be a kit bash but I don't know. Any ideas?

Neil
Group: S-Trains Message: 70477 From: Robert Graves Date: 9/12/2012
Subject: For Sale: #764 Express Office that needs restoration
 
Pictures available on request.

The whole thing is pretty dirty and needs a good cleaning.

A
corner of the roof was broken off; I glued it with CA glue.  The
opposite roof peak is chipped a little.  Other than that, it's in strong
C-6 condition.

The base has a lot of paint loss where light rust
has set in; it should be easy to remove the rust.  It's straight and
solid; not bent at all.  The Gilbert sticker is about 25% chipped off. 
Both wires are connected to the light socket, but the black one is only 3
inches long.  I haven't tested the socket.

Except for a nasty
scratch between the windows on one side, the paint on the walls is in
remarkably good shape, and there is very little rust.  All windows are
missing, but all mounting tabs on the bottom are intact.  There is a
fair amount of bending in the walls; TLC will be needed to straighten
them.

Overall, I'd say it's a bit better than TCA C-4, but not C-5.

The
2012 TM Guide says $280 in Excellent condition, and deduct 70% for C-5
($84) and 90% for C-4 ($28).   Based on that, I'd say it's worth $40 to
$50.  What do you think?

Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70478 From: mike gardner Date: 9/12/2012
Subject: Thanks
I Thank all of you who answered my question about rusted couplers. I have another question about a partial layout appearing in a November/December S Gaugian magazine. Richard Arsenault wrote a 3 part article on a loco servicing facility  and has a drawing of it in the article. I do not have the other 2 articles and would like to know if anyone knows the dimensions of this layout?         Thanks again for all of the help! Mike Gardner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70479 From: john Date: 9/13/2012
Subject: Re: DCC decoder and S-n-S steam locomotive conversion
Thorin: Based on my experiences converting a bunch of older HO open frame motors, which draw a lot higher peak amperage than your S-N-S can motor ought to, I'd say you'd be fine with the proposed decoder. If you want to be absolutely sure, check amperage running on normal DC---not a bad idea anyway as it lets you check that you have motor installed properly and no binds.
You have a couple of choices with the original light. You can hook it up to the decoder light leads direct to your headlight bulbs and it will run on more or less full DCC track voltage when running. (you can of course opt to turn the light on or off at anytime while operating by pressing the proper function key on your throttle). The plus side of this is that the light will be really bright...a good thing in some of the AF steamers. The down side is that you'll pay a penalty in shorter bulb life. I'd also be a little leary of running the bulb full bore all the time in a plastic boilered steamer. You can easily run the original headlight at a lower voltage by wiring a resistor into one of the bulb leads. Resistors are cheap, and your local Radio Shack can fix you right up. You may have to experiment with different resistor values to get the performance you're looking for. Try starting out with something around 100 ohms, and increase if light is still too bright.
Hope this helps
JBB

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Thorin Marty <lagthor@...> wrote:
>
> Good evening:
>
> I have an AF 0-8-0. I plan to add an S-n-S DC motor. (I can see the motor from
> where I sit.) Then convert the whole thing to DCC.
>
> Would a Digitrax DH123 be able to run this unit? (We can ignore the smoke
> unit. I don't smoke and neither do my trains. I 'unplugged' it years ago.)
> According to Digitrax, a DH123 has a 3.5 amp capacity.
>
> The headlights are another worry. Will it be able to run the original AF
> headlights or do I have to change to lower current bulbs?
>
> Should I be looking at a different decoder?
> Thorin
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70480 From: Thorin Marty Date: 9/13/2012
Subject: Cars derails on SHS left switch when going left.
Good evening:

I have an SHS left switch that needs some tuning. There is a small gap where
the right point rail meets the rail to the frog. These rails do not form a nice
joint; the rail to the frog is slightly to the left of perfect alignment. So
wheels going to through the switch pick at this joint.

The problem is much worse with highrail wheels than scale but both pick. (All
brands including SHS.)

I was thinking of grabbing the rail to the frog with pliers and bending it out
so it lines up. But before I get out the files, hammers, and saws, do you have
any advice or guidance?

Thank you,
Thorin


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70481 From: reujan2000 Date: 9/14/2012
Subject: Converted PM Trucks Available (Advertisement)
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LBR



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70482 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 9/14/2012
Subject: Re: GG-1
Thanks all for the help.  This is a strong runner with clunky truck frames, definitely the A D Imfeld product.
Neil

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70483 From: Noplowboy@aol.com Date: 9/14/2012
Subject: Re: Cars derails on SHS left switch when going left.
Yes i have 2 like that also it very bad when you backup the cars.



-----Original Message-----
From: Thorin Marty <lagthor@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:20 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Cars derails on SHS left switch when going left.

  Good evening:

I have an SHS left switch that needs some tuning. There is a small gap where
the right point rail meets the rail to the frog. These rails do not form a nice
joint; the rail to the frog is slightly to the left of perfect alignment. So
wheels going to through the switch pick at this joint.

The problem is much worse with highrail wheels than scale but both pick. (All
brands including SHS.)

I was thinking of grabbing the rail to the frog with pliers and bending it out
so it lines up. But before I get out the files, hammers, and saws, do you have
any advice or guidance?

Thank you,
Thorin

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70484 From: rapidrail1 Date: 9/14/2012
Subject: Lionel Southern Crescent Set
I just checked on Lionel's web site and this set has been cancelled.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 70485 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/14/2012
Subject: Re: Cars derail on SHS switch
I imagine you are well beyond returning these switches for refund or replacement from the dealer. He's probably "out of stock" anyway now. Therefore YOU must become "Mr. Fixit," just as I have.

A fellow who used to come into the hobby shop had a problem similar to what you describe. In that case, the "spikes" holding the rail near the frog had broken off and the rail had moved slightly out of alignment. Using a track gauge to hold the offending rail in place, crazy glue solved the problem.

So far, I have bought and used 16 SHS switches and never encountered a bent rail other than one switch which was damaged in shipping. The point rail was bent away from the curved rail to the frog and I bent it carefully back into shape with pliers held vertically. I worked the rail a little at a time, taking care not to damage any moving parts or breaking any "spikes" on the roadbed. A track gauge during the bending and then testing with both scale and hi-rail trucks proved I got it right.

Another problem that cropped up was the linkages that move the point rails and frog becoming worn and loose on my two oldest switches. I would throw the switch, but the frog wouldn't move all the way over, derailing cars. These are accessed by taking the cover off the bottom of the switch and then taking the offending linkage(s) off. I filled worn area and filed and drilled them to the original correct shape, then reassembled everything.

One problem which took me a while to figure out because it didn't derail every time, was with two 1980s era Flyonel Reefer cars. It turned out that the wheel flanges would ride up on the frog area and lift the wheel treads off the top of the rails. The flanges were oversize, so I filed them down until they would pass through with the tread of the wheel rolling on the top of the rail as they were supposed to. End of problem.

Aside from that, making sure the back to back gauge of wheel sets is the most common cause of derailments, and I find this on old Gilbert cars mostly.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70486 From: afjeff_56 Date: 9/15/2012
Subject: Flyer Fest West 2012!!! in Elk Grove Today
S Gauge Delight
and More


Further information on FFW 2012, September 15th:

Location: SES Hall, Elk Grove, CA (Sacramento area) SES Hall
10427 East Stockton Blvd
Elk Grove, 95624

Time: Trading hall opens at 11:00am followed by train races and banquet.

Contact information is as in previous post

Carl Rudolph
FFW2012@...
209-586-9905

See you there. Jeff S......
Group: S-Trains Message: 70487 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/16/2012
Subject: November CTT
The digital edition of the November CTT is available, it has a six-page article on a very nice 16' x 16' S gauge layout.

One of the things the article mentions is the use of O gauge autos when using traditional items such as Plasticville and Gilbert buildings. Many of these structures are oversize and the S scale autos can look too small next to them. The article has many photos, so you can check this out for yourself.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70488 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/16/2012
Subject: NEWS Flash - Gator Loose on the Layout!
Hi All,

There's a large gator loose on the layout and he's hungry! You can see the first of the three photos starting here:

http://tinyurl.com/8msy4kz

Have fun and check out my other photos!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 70489 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/16/2012
Subject: Re: NEWS Flash - Gator Loose on the Layout!
From: Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth, texas

David,
We need to watch them gaters. We also have one loose on my club "Lone Star Flyer Club" in our new clubhouse in Hurst, Texas.
� Alan Lambert


________________________________
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:02 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] NEWS Flash - Gator Loose on the Layout!



 

Hi All,

There's a large gator loose on the layout and he's hungry! You can see the first of the three photos starting here:

http://tinyurl.com/8msy4kz

Have fun and check out my other photos!

David




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70490 From: john Date: 9/17/2012
Subject: Re: NEWS Flash - Gator Loose on the Layout!
Number him, harness him, and put him to work like John Allen did with the dinosaur on the old G&D!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
>   Fort Worth, texas
>  
> David,
> We need to watch them gaters. We also have one loose on my club "Lone Star Flyer Club" in our new clubhouse in Hurst, Texas.
>   Alan Lambert
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:02 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] NEWS Flash - Gator Loose on the Layout!
>
>
>
>  
>
> Hi All,
>
> There's a large gator loose on the layout and he's hungry! You can see the first of the three photos starting here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8msy4kz
>
> Have fun and check out my other photos!
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70491 From: Robert E. Wilson Date: 9/17/2012
Subject: Log Loader
I am having trouble with my 751 Log Loader. The problem is the trolley (the
log carrier) will not stay on the tacks. One thing I have noticed is the
flanged wheels are not tight on the axels and tend to slip inward. I have
tried inserting "e" rings over the axles to maintain the spacing, but this
does not seem to be helping. In addition, one of the wheels has radial
cracks. Also, the string broke that pulls the trolley up (and lets it roll
down). The rethreading seems simple, but any hints on how to rethread this
would be appreciated.



Bob in Arvada





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70492 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 9/17/2012
Subject: Re: November CTT
I just checked this out. Zinio, the Kalmbach contractor who apparently
makes the digital editions, along with Kalmbach themselves, charges
$39.99 for 9 issues. Since I have a Nook reader, and since CTT says
you can get it through B&N, I thought I would try that just to make sure
it works well with my Nook Color. What surprised me is that the
subscription price is $3.33 per issue, or $29.97 for 9 issues. I
checked the Amazon site and they also sell it for $3.33 per issue.
Just thought I would get this money saving tip out to the rest of you.
I will probably go with individual issues for $5.95, since S content has
been pretty slim lately. By the way, Zinio charges 4 cents more for
single issues. I will let you know how it works, at least on a Nook.

Dale
On 9/16/2012 12:46 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
>
> The digital edition of the November CTT is available, it has a
> six-page article on a very nice 16' x 16' S gauge layout.
>
> One of the things the article mentions is the use of O gauge autos
> when using traditional items such as Plasticville and Gilbert
> buildings. Many of these structures are oversize and the S scale autos
> can look too small next to them. The article has many photos, so you
> can check this out for yourself.
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70493 From: jtkeating Date: 9/17/2012
Subject: Lionel Legacy System & Big Boy Locomotive
Hello list members; I am trying to locate further info regarding using the Legacy System with the S gauge Big Boy locomotive. Perhaps someone with more experience in using this system can provide a source formore info. Apparently I have been bypassing some features as I have been using engine number 1 and just got my loco back after having to have the smoke output circuit board replaced due to frayed wiring? I am having difficulty in getting the loco back in operation. Any and all info will be greatly appreciated. Thank You.
John Keating
Group: S-Trains Message: 70494 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/17/2012
Subject: Re: November CTT
Dale,

On the table of contents page there should be a code that will give you access to the CTT web page subscriber-only content for a month.

As for CTT I'm with you - on an as-interesting basis.

Please keep us posted on the Nook and the train magazines.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: "Dale F. Smith" <dalefsmith@...>
Sent: Mon Sep 17 19:13:24 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] November CTT




I just checked this out. Zinio, the Kalmbach contractor who apparently
makes the digital editions, along with Kalmbach themselves, charges
$39.99 for 9 issues. Since I have a Nook reader, and since CTT says
you can get it through B&N, I thought I would try that just to make sure
it works well with my Nook Color. What surprised me is that the
subscription price is $3.33 per issue, or $29.97 for 9 issues. I
checked the Amazon site and they also sell it for $3.33 per issue.
Just thought I would get this money saving tip out to the rest of you.
I will probably go with individual issues for $5.95, since S content has
been pretty slim lately. By the way, Zinio charges 4 cents more for
single issues. I will let you know how it works, at least on a Nook.

Dale
On 9/16/2012 12:46 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
>
> The digital edition of the November CTT is available, it has a
> six-page article on a very nice 16' x 16' S gauge layout.
>
> One of the things the article mentions is the use of O gauge autos
> when using traditional items such as Plasticville and Gilbert
> buildings. Many of these structures are oversize and the S scale autos
> can look too small next to them. The article has many photos, so you
> can check this out for yourself.
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70495 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Legacy System & Big Boy Locomotive
John,

Firstly, consult the owners manual for the L-AF Big Boy on how to perform a
reset of the engine features and how to assign an engine number other than
"1" via TMCC or Legacy. The most current instruction manual for the Legacy
system can be downloaded from the Lionel web site for free as a pdf. If
you already own a Legacy system, it came with a quite good manual.


I wrote a review of the L-AF Big Boy and the Legacy system, and this
review appeared in the March/April 2010 issue of S Gaugian. I covered both the
attributes of the then new Big Boy and how the Legacy/Cab-2 system permits
access to the more advanced features beyond Cab-1/TMCC.


Hope at least some of this helps.

Bob Bubeck

>>>

_Lionel Legacy System & Big Boy Locomotive _
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zBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MDQ5MwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQM
xMzQ3OTcxMTYx)


Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:37 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
_"jtkeating" jtkeating _
(mailto:john_keating@...?subject=Re:%20Lionel%20Legacy%20System%20&%20Big%20Boy%20Locomotive)

Hello list members; I am trying to locate further info regarding using the
Legacy System with the S gauge Big Boy locomotive. Perhaps someone with
more experience in using this system can provide a source formore info.
Apparently I have been bypassing some features as I have been using engine
number 1 and just got my loco back after having to have the smoke output circuit
board replaced due to frayed wiring? I am having difficulty in getting the
loco back in operation. Any and all info will be greatly appreciated.
Thank You.
John Keating




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70496 From: Jerry Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: SD70ACe
Has anybody else notice that MTH along with Lionel is planning on coming
out with an SD70ACe? Lionel has it listed in their catalog. While
according to brother John Frankforther, MTH gave out handouts at the
NMRA show with that same intention. MTH has the loco in O and HO, but
is that what the handout refers to, not S?

I'm still going to give MTH a chance at S, though. Their track record
with other scales is pretty good. I don't know if my wallet can take it
though!

Jerry


I was at the NMRA in Grand Rapids, MI last Saturday and talked to the
guys at
MTH and they said
by next year they are putting out an all new SD70ACe diesel in a wide
variety of
railroads, including
heritage schemes from Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern.

This is from the handouts at the show:

Scale and Hi-Rail wheel configurations
Scale and Hi-Rail couplers
Proto-Sound 3.0 Digital Sound
DCC/DCS command control equipped
LED lighting effects
Operating Smoke in selected models
Built-in Locomotive Speed Control
Prototypical Deco Schemes
Upgradeable Sound and Operating features
Powerful, Flywheel equipped motors

Check it out at www.mthsgaugetrains.com

John Frankforther


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70497 From: Tom Hawley Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Re: SD70ACe
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry
Has anybody else notice that MTH along with Lionel is planning on coming out
with an SD70ACe? . . . . . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > >
Yes, and I asked one of the MTH representatives at the National Train Show
why the same loco Lionel has announced. His reply was simply "competition."
< < < < < < < < < < <
. . . . . . . .I'm still going to give MTH a chance at S, though.. . . . . .
. . .
> > > > > > > > > > > >
I also. But other than the SD70ACe, I think we'll be lucky to see even much
of the old SHS line in the near future. I just wish I could convince them
to package their S scale semi-trailer separately, rather than only on a
RailKing (O27) flatcar. If you haven't noticed, it's a perfect trailer for
the SHS flatcar, the AM flatcar, or the AM spine car.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 70498 From: johntech Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Re: SD70ACe
Jerry

I am strictly an S gauge guy unless I find O rolling stock I can convert to S.
If the flyer I had gotten this information from was for O or HO I would not
have bothered to pick it up. I wish I had kept it so I could have made a
photo copy and posted it to the Files section.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:46 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] SD70ACe



Has anybody else notice that MTH along with Lionel is planning on coming
out with an SD70ACe? Lionel has it listed in their catalog. While
according to brother John Frankforther, MTH gave out handouts at the
NMRA show with that same intention. MTH has the loco in O and HO, but
is that what the handout refers to, not S?

I'm still going to give MTH a chance at S, though. Their track record
with other scales is pretty good. I don't know if my wallet can take it
though!

Jerry

I was at the NMRA in Grand Rapids, MI last Saturday and talked to the
guys at
MTH and they said
by next year they are putting out an all new SD70ACe diesel in a wide
variety of
railroads, including
heritage schemes from Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern.

This is from the handouts at the show:

Scale and Hi-Rail wheel configurations
Scale and Hi-Rail couplers
Proto-Sound 3.0 Digital Sound
DCC/DCS command control equipped
LED lighting effects
Operating Smoke in selected models
Built-in Locomotive Speed Control
Prototypical Deco Schemes
Upgradeable Sound and Operating features
Powerful, Flywheel equipped motors

Check it out at www.mthsgaugetrains.com

John Frankforther

.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70499 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Re: November CTT and a price correction
The timing of this was just right for me. My subscription ended with
the October 2012 issue. The B&N store also offers a "Free Trial," but
I thought that might be one of those free trial subscriptions for the
whole year and then you can cancel during the first month free of
charge. I usually avoid those "deals." I checked back and the deal is
not for a month, but for a 14 day free trial and then what appears to be
a continuing subscription at the per month price. I was wrong in my
previous message that there was a break on the price. The $3.33 is
charged not for each issue, but every month, making a years 9 issue
subscription total out to $39.96.

As to the useability, everything is in full color, and the pages are
zoomable. The zoom is OK, but I would have liked a little bit more
zooming capability, especially for the photos. While you can read the
text by zooming in a little, it is somewhat awkward to keep reposition
the screen to follow the print format columns. At the top right of the
page is a little button that is called "ArticleView," which is pretty
much the same as the text flow view that pdf readers like EZ PDF reader
provide, with one exception. Unlike text flow, It is flawless. This
feature provides the easiest viewing of the article text. In this mode,
you can adjust the font both as to size and style including page spacing
and margins. While in this mode, you can flip from one article to the
next. Sidebars count as separate articles, so sometimes when you flip
to another article you are actually taken to a sidebar. You can also
close this ArticleView window and go back to the magazine page to look
at photos. If you return to ArticleView, it takes you back to where
you were when you left it. If there was a sidebar article on the same
magazine page, you will be given a choice when you return to
ArticleView. I found ArticleView easiest to use in the horizontal
position which gives me a wider page.

Finally, touching the bottom of the screen gives you a strip of mini
magazine pages so you can skim to find what you want. One thing that
would have been nice would be links to the articles on the magazine
index page, but that was missing. The mini pages are pretty much
unreadable, but along with them comes a content and brightness button at
the bottom of the screen. The brightness is pretty much self
explanatory, but the content button provides a list of articles that you
can skim. Maybe that is just as good as a magazine index with links,
but I kind of miss the graphic arrangement of the articles in the actual
magazine index. The content index gives you a list of everything, not
just the major articles and appears to start at the beginning of the
magazine, with the Editor's page, but it doesn't give the page numbers,
so it was hard at first to determine exactly how it was organized.

All in all, a fairly nice way to read the magazine and certainly easier
for single copies than going up to the hobby shop and getting it. I
still have a bit of nostalgia for the printed page and remember the
train magazines I poured through as a kid. I still have my collection
of Model Trains magazine and maybe someday I will scan them just to have
them readily accessible. At my age, the Nook presents the big advantage
of always being well lit and with type just the right size.

By the way, I have tried to make both my websites fairly readable on
tablets and readers, by using PDF's and page designs that work well with
readers. I got rid of my frames pages for just that reason.

Dale

www.americanflyerdisplays.org
www.gilbertho.org




On 9/17/2012 7:00 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
> Please keep us posted on the Nook and the train magazines.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70500 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/19/2012
Subject: Re: SD70ACe
I haven't paid attention. I'm old school I prefer F's, Geep 7's and 9's and early Alco's

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: t.hawley@...
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:38:23 -0400
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SD70ACe


























----- Original Message -----

From: Jerry

Has anybody else notice that MTH along with Lionel is planning on coming out

with an SD70ACe? . . . . . . . . . . . .

> > > > > > > > > > >

Yes, and I asked one of the MTH representatives at the National Train Show

why the same loco Lionel has announced. His reply was simply "competition."

< < < < < < < < < < <

. . . . . . . .I'm still going to give MTH a chance at S, though.. . . . . .

. . .

> > > > > > > > > > > >

I also. But other than the SD70ACe, I think we'll be lucky to see even much

of the old SHS line in the near future. I just wish I could convince them

to package their S scale semi-trailer separately, rather than only on a

RailKing (O27) flatcar. If you haven't noticed, it's a perfect trailer for

the SHS flatcar, the AM flatcar, or the AM spine car.



Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich


























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Group: S-Trains Message: 70501 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/19/2012
Subject: Re: SD70ACe
Guys,

Check out You tube --- The SD70ACe is on on there in ³O²

A


On 9/18/12 10:20 PM, "johntech" <beebear@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> Jerry
>
> I am strictly an S gauge guy unless I find O rolling stock I can convert to S.
> If the flyer I had gotten this information from was for O or HO I would not
> have bothered to pick it up. I wish I had kept it so I could have made a
> photo copy and posted it to the Files section.
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jerry
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:46 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] SD70ACe
>
> Has anybody else notice that MTH along with Lionel is planning on coming
> out with an SD70ACe? Lionel has it listed in their catalog. While
> according to brother John Frankforther, MTH gave out handouts at the
> NMRA show with that same intention. MTH has the loco in O and HO, but
> is that what the handout refers to, not S?
>
> I'm still going to give MTH a chance at S, though. Their track record
> with other scales is pretty good. I don't know if my wallet can take it
> though!
>
> Jerry
>
> I was at the NMRA in Grand Rapids, MI last Saturday and talked to the
> guys at
> MTH and they said
> by next year they are putting out an all new SD70ACe diesel in a wide
> variety of
> railroads, including
> heritage schemes from Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern.
>
> This is from the handouts at the show:
>
> Scale and Hi-Rail wheel configurations
> Scale and Hi-Rail couplers
> Proto-Sound 3.0 Digital Sound
> DCC/DCS command control equipped
> LED lighting effects
> Operating Smoke in selected models
> Built-in Locomotive Speed Control
> Prototypical Deco Schemes
> Upgradeable Sound and Operating features
> Powerful, Flywheel equipped motors
>
> Check it out at www.mthsgaugetrains.com
>
> John Frankforther
>
> .
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70502 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 9/19/2012
Subject: Re: November CTT and a price correction
sounds like the same format that ezine "model railroad hobbist"uses
mel perry

On Sep 18, 2012, at 8:10 PM, Dale F. Smith wrote:

> The timing of this was just right for me. My subscription ended with
> the October 2012 issue. The B&N store also offers a "Free Trial," but
> I thought that might be one of those free trial subscriptions for the
> whole year and then you can cancel during the first month free of
> charge. I usually avoid those "deals." I checked back and the deal is
> not for a month, but for a 14 day free trial and then what appears
> to be
> a continuing subscription at the per month price. I was wrong in my
> previous message that there was a break on the price. The $3.33 is
> charged not for each issue, but every month, making a years 9 issue
> subscription total out to $39.96.
>
> As to the useability, everything is in full color, and the pages are
> zoomable. The zoom is OK, but I would have liked a little bit more
> zooming capability, especially for the photos. While you can read the
> text by zooming in a little, it is somewhat awkward to keep reposition
> the screen to follow the print format columns. At the top right of the
> page is a little button that is called "ArticleView," which is pretty
> much the same as the text flow view that pdf readers like EZ PDF
> reader
> provide, with one exception. Unlike text flow, It is flawless. This
> feature provides the easiest viewing of the article text. In this
> mode,
> you can adjust the font both as to size and style including page
> spacing
> and margins. While in this mode, you can flip from one article to the
> next. Sidebars count as separate articles, so sometimes when you flip
> to another article you are actually taken to a sidebar. You can also
> close this ArticleView window and go back to the magazine page to look
> at photos. If you return to ArticleView, it takes you back to where
> you were when you left it. If there was a sidebar article on the same
> magazine page, you will be given a choice when you return to
> ArticleView. I found ArticleView easiest to use in the horizontal
> position which gives me a wider page.
>
> Finally, touching the bottom of the screen gives you a strip of mini
> magazine pages so you can skim to find what you want. One thing that
> would have been nice would be links to the articles on the magazine
> index page, but that was missing. The mini pages are pretty much
> unreadable, but along with them comes a content and brightness
> button at
> the bottom of the screen. The brightness is pretty much self
> explanatory, but the content button provides a list of articles
> that you
> can skim. Maybe that is just as good as a magazine index with links,
> but I kind of miss the graphic arrangement of the articles in the
> actual
> magazine index. The content index gives you a list of everything, not
> just the major articles and appears to start at the beginning of the
> magazine, with the Editor's page, but it doesn't give the page
> numbers,
> so it was hard at first to determine exactly how it was organized.
>
> All in all, a fairly nice way to read the magazine and certainly
> easier
> for single copies than going up to the hobby shop and getting it. I
> still have a bit of nostalgia for the printed page and remember the
> train magazines I poured through as a kid. I still have my collection
> of Model Trains magazine and maybe someday I will scan them just to
> have
> them readily accessible. At my age, the Nook presents the big
> advantage
> of always being well lit and with type just the right size.
>
> By the way, I have tried to make both my websites fairly readable on
> tablets and readers, by using PDF's and page designs that work well
> with
> readers. I got rid of my frames pages for just that reason.
>
> Dale
>
> www.americanflyerdisplays.org
> www.gilbertho.org
>
> On 9/17/2012 7:00 PM, Brady Burdge wrote:
> > Please keep us posted on the Nook and the train magazines.
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70503 From: Jerry Date: 9/19/2012
Subject: Re: SD70ACe
Tom, et al.,

I can see it now: Both companies release their SD70ACe, and because
we're a small target audience, neither one sells well, and in the
future, they will release fewer items, or even bit farewell to the S
market all together. Of course, this is a worst case scenario. It's
also possible that Lionel will get less than their minimum number of
pre-orders and cancel the locomotive. Best case scenario will be that
both versions will attract more people to the S tent. But then, if MTH
continues the fidelity begun by SHS, it will attract more scale oriented
folk, while the Lionel version will appeal to the hi-rail/Flyer group,
thus further dividing us with a common scale. Interesting in any case.
BTW, I've got the Lionel version on order.

And yes, their trailers are VERY nice! Perhaps they'll be released
again. I hope so too.

Jerry
Waiting in Wayne, MI to see how it all shakes down



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote:
>
I asked one of the MTH representatives at the National Train Show
> why the same loco Lionel has announced. His reply was simply
"competition."
> < < < < < < < < < < <
......their S scale semi-trailer is a perfect trailer for
> the SHS flatcar, the AM flatcar, or the AM spine car.
>
> Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70504 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/19/2012
Subject: TrainLife - NKP Geeps Earned Their Stripes
Interesting article. Didn't Lionel release a Flyer NKP geep several years ago?

http://www.trainlife.com/articles/701/nkp-geeps-earned-their-stripes

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70505 From: Steven Allen Date: 9/20/2012
Subject: Re: TrainLife - NKP Geeps Earned Their Stripes
Brady, the Nickel Plate Geeps were released in 1997, #48017 as a power and dummy A-A set with matching caboose #48713. I added previously released NKP Flyonel cars to make out a set. I'm actually debating on selling everything as a package. I've only run the units once, and they have less than 1 hour running time on the motor.

Steven Allen

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting article. Didn't Lionel release a Flyer NKP geep several years ago?
>
> http://www.trainlife.com/articles/701/nkp-geeps-earned-their-stripes
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70506 From: Steven Allen Date: 9/20/2012
Subject: Re: SD70ACe
Jerry,

You make an excellent point. Although I applaud both manufacturers with coming up with this new design in "S", putting all your eggs in one basket may not be the wisest move (you never saw S Helper or Am. Models going head to head with the same locomotives). Personally I'm not into the latest generation of diesels, but producing a more modern unit is certainly something that would raise the eyebrows of people looking to get into "S" who fancies units other than first or second generation Alco's or Geeps.

The only way around it could be if Lionel did the U.P. Heritage schemme and MTH did the NS scheme, then maybe there would be ample room in "S" for 2 manufacturers doing the same units.

Just my opinion.

Steven Allen

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote:
>
> Tom, et al.,
>
> I can see it now: Both companies release their SD70ACe, and because
> we're a small target audience, neither one sells well, and in the
> future, they will release fewer items, or even bit farewell to the S
> market all together. Of course, this is a worst case scenario. It's
> also possible that Lionel will get less than their minimum number of
> pre-orders and cancel the locomotive. Best case scenario will be that
> both versions will attract more people to the S tent. But then, if MTH
> continues the fidelity begun by SHS, it will attract more scale oriented
> folk, while the Lionel version will appeal to the hi-rail/Flyer group,
> thus further dividing us with a common scale. Interesting in any case.
> BTW, I've got the Lionel version on order.
>
> And yes, their trailers are VERY nice! Perhaps they'll be released
> again. I hope so too.
>
> Jerry
> Waiting in Wayne, MI to see how it all shakes down
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@> wrote:
> >
> I asked one of the MTH representatives at the National Train Show
> > why the same loco Lionel has announced. His reply was simply
> "competition."
> > < < < < < < < < < < <
> ......their S scale semi-trailer is a perfect trailer for
> > the SHS flatcar, the AM flatcar, or the AM spine car.
> >
> > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70507 From: Don Thompson Date: 9/20/2012
Subject: Re: SD70ACe
Dear Steve,
That is actually not true. When we announced the F3s, the first line in the press release and order form was that we were coming out with a series of EMD F and E units. With so much common tooling, it only made sense. We had the E7 A & B design 90% done when they came out with the E8A. We realized that it would be difficult for us to amortize the E unit tooling on just the E7s, so we were not able to come out with that series...
Don

Steven Allen wrote:
> .....you never saw S Helper or Am. Models going head to head with the same locomotives.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70508 From: Tom Hawley Date: 9/20/2012
Subject: Re: SD70ACe
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Allen
. . . . . . . . (you never saw S Helper or Am. Models going head to head
with the same locomotives). . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > > >
That's essentially true, for all practical purposes. But they did both make
the F7 B unit.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 70509 From: jtkeating Date: 9/21/2012
Subject: New Locomotives for AF
My nomination for a newer Diesel locomotive for release by Lionel or other companies would be the elusive SD40-2; Conrail roadname would be my first choice.
John Keating
Group: S-Trains Message: 70510 From: Alan Lambert Date: 9/21/2012
Subject: Re: New Locomotives for AF
From: Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth,Texas
John,
That's what I would want. Santa-Fe would be a good one.
� Alan



________________________________
From: jtkeating <john_keating@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] New Locomotives for AF



 

My nomination for a newer Diesel locomotive for release by Lionel or other companies would be the elusive SD40-2; Conrail roadname would be my first choice.
John Keating




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70511 From: sscale@bestweb.net Date: 9/21/2012
Subject: Re: New Locomotives for AF
> My nomination for a newer Diesel locomotive for release by Lionel
or other
> companies would be the elusive SD40-2; Conrail roadname
would be my >first  choice.
>  
Maybe they'll catch up
with the promised 1998
deliveries:
http://www.olsonhobbies.com/forsale/6381.jpg
Stan
Stokrocki


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70512 From: Timboy Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
As many of you know, I am tearing this RR down:

http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/

I have "logs" I glued up from strips of homasote to dispose of. Is it safe for me to burn them in my open-hearth fireplace?

Thanks...
Group: S-Trains Message: 70513 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Can I burn Homosote in my fireplace?
I don't think I'd do that! Many of the glued wood products used formaldehyde (spelling?) in the glue until very recent years! Most cheaper "stick built" homes, modular homes, and mobile homes have "particle board" and "chip board" floors, wall paneling, and furniture in them which will fume if heated or burned. Our local volunteer fire departments have been talking about this as a mostly unrecognized concern for both occupants and firefighters.

This glue was the industry standard for products made up of sawdust, chips, shavings, pulp, or sheets glued into form and sold under dozens if not hundreds of brand names. I don't know for certain what Homosote used or now uses. I'd err on the safe side by doing any burning "in a well ventilated area."

(Of course, most of us who live in mobile homes will be killed by smoke inhalation from all the burning plastic in our electronics and toy trains long before the formadehyde gets to us!):-)
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70514 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Not if you glued it with white glue which contains vinyl acetate a
possible carcinogen. And it may have been

molded in sheets using the same ingredient in the first instance.
Same applies to MDF and similar and here in Australia occcupational
health and safety regulations not only recommend not burning
materials containing the glue but avoid the fumes from highly heated
boards. Alistair

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Sent:Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:17:40 -0000
Subject:[S-Trains] Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?

 

As many of you know, I am tearing this RR down:

http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ [1]

I have "logs" I glued up from strips of homasote to dispose of. Is
it safe for me to burn them in my open-hearth fireplace?

Thanks...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70515 From: Eric Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: SHS cars and Engines for sale
Sept. 2012 - I need some room and these are not going to make it to the
layout if I want to keep trains running around it. Everything below except
the ore cars are new in the box with everything that came in the box, The
ore cars are new but do not have the kadee style couplers that came with
them and no box. Make me an offer on anything, thanks!



1. SHS ORE CARS 3 cars DMIR Hi rail and knuckle, I can include
scale wheels, new. All 3 $75

2. SHS 01736 NW2 engine CB and O #605 Red. $140

3. SHS 01239 BN engine SW8 #98 $140

4. SHS 01803 REFER Marhoefer $45

5. SHS 02050 Refer Prima special $45

6. SHS 01983 CP stock car 277313 $40

7. SHS 01984 CP Stock car 277465 $40

8. SHS 02045 REFER eatmore cranberries $45

9. SHS 01842 Canada Southern Hopper 880147 $40

10. SHS 01268 Caboose Great Northern x103 $45

Shipping should be about $8 for one. A little more if you buy more. I
ship USPS.

Make me an offer on any or all of it, I would really like to sell in
bigger groups than 1 or 2 as the multiple trips to the Post Office get
expensive, Thanks�.Paypal, Postal money order, check all work.



Eric Reis

****ericrhere (at) gmail (dot) com****
Kenmore, WA.
TCA and NASG since 1986, Ebay = er099 since 1999
09-23-2012


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70516 From: Timboy Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Thanks everyone! Best not to burn it. I had to bribe the haulers to take the debris so far. Lesson to be learned: if it's problematic to dispose of it, then don't build it! :)

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Not if you glued it with white glue which contains vinyl acetate a
> possible carcinogen. And it may have been
>
> molded in sheets using the same ingredient in the first instance.
> Same applies to MDF and similar and here in Australia occcupational
> health and safety regulations not only recommend not burning
> materials containing the glue but avoid the fumes from highly heated
> boards. Alistair
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent:Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:17:40 -0000
> Subject:[S-Trains] Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
>
>  
>
> As many of you know, I am tearing this RR down:
>
> http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ [1]
>
> I have "logs" I glued up from strips of homasote to dispose of. Is
> it safe for me to burn them in my open-hearth fireplace?
>
> Thanks...
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70517 From: Leon Bedard Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: SHS cars and Engines for sale
Hi, would you have photos of 01736 and 01239, or direct me to some ?
Excuse my ignorance, but will these operate in AC ?
Thanks.
Leon.


Le 2012-09-23 19:51, Eric a écrit :
> Sept. 2012 - I need some room and these are not going to make it to the
> layout if I want to keep trains running around it. Everything below except
> the ore cars are new in the box with everything that came in the box, The
> ore cars are new but do not have the kadee style couplers that came with
> them and no box. Make me an offer on anything, thanks!
>
>
>
> 1. SHS ORE CARS 3 cars DMIR Hi rail and knuckle, I can include
> scale wheels, new. All 3 $75
>
> 2. SHS 01736 NW2 engine CB and O #605 Red. $140
>
> 3. SHS 01239 BN engine SW8 #98 $140
>
> 4. SHS 01803 REFER Marhoefer $45
>
> 5. SHS 02050 Refer Prima special $45
>
> 6. SHS 01983 CP stock car 277313 $40
>
> 7. SHS 01984 CP Stock car 277465 $40
>
> 8. SHS 02045 REFER eatmore cranberries $45
>
> 9. SHS 01842 Canada Southern Hopper 880147 $40
>
> 10. SHS 01268 Caboose Great Northern x103 $45
>
> Shipping should be about $8 for one. A little more if you buy more. I
> ship USPS.
>
> Make me an offer on any or all of it, I would really like to sell in
> bigger groups than 1 or 2 as the multiple trips to the Post Office get
> expensive, Thanks….Paypal, Postal money order, check all work.
>
>
>
> Eric Reis
>
> ****ericrhere (at) gmail (dot) com****
> Kenmore, WA.
> TCA and NASG since 1986, Ebay = er099 since 1999
> 09-23-2012
>
>
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70518 From: grchud Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Test
Test

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70519 From: Bob Chaparro Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Kern County (CA) S Scale Layouts Needed For Tour
How about some S Scale representation on the next layout tour?

This is the first call for Kern County layouts for the layout tour
scheduled for March 8, 9 & 10, 2013, in conjunction with the Golden
Empire Historical & Modeling Society's Bakersfield Train Show that
weekend.

We're looking for operating layouts in any scale (including garden
railroads) in the Bakersfield, Tehachapi, Lake Isabella and the High
Desert areas.

As always, this will be a free, self-guided model railroad tour
sponsored by my Yahoo group, Model Railroads of Southern California.
The tours are designed to promote the hobby and allow layout owners to
showcase their work.

All owners need to do is operate their trains. I will do all the
planning and publicity, as I have done for thirty-six other tours since
2006.

Please contact me OFF LIST at chiefbobbb@...
<mailto:chiefbobbb@...> if you are interested in displaying
your layout or know someone who may be interested.

Thank you.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Model Railroads of Southern California

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/>

+++++

Other Scheduled Tours

Long Beach-South Bay – Spring 2013

National Narrow Gauge Convention (So. Calif.) – August 2013

Banning Train Festival – October 2013

Central Coast Railroad Festival – October 2013





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70520 From: reefma_99 Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
homasote is ok to burn, I talked with the manufacturer today.
I posted the MSDS in the file section


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone! Best not to burn it. I had to bribe the haulers to take the debris so far. Lesson to be learned: if it's problematic to dispose of it, then don't build it! :)
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Not if you glued it with white glue which contains vinyl acetate a
> > possible carcinogen. And it may have been
> >
> > molded in sheets using the same ingredient in the first instance.
> > Same applies to MDF and similar and here in Australia occcupational
> > health and safety regulations not only recommend not burning
> > materials containing the glue but avoid the fumes from highly heated
> > boards. Alistair
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > To:
> > Cc:
> > Sent:Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:17:40 -0000
> > Subject:[S-Trains] Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
> >
> >  
> >
> > As many of you know, I am tearing this RR down:
> >
> > http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ [1]
> >
> > I have "logs" I glued up from strips of homasote to dispose of. Is
> > it safe for me to burn them in my open-hearth fireplace?
> >
> > Thanks...
> >
> > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail -
> > http://www.adam.com.au/
> >
> > Links:
> > ------
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> > [2]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70521 From: Tom Hawley Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
----- Original Message -----
From: reefma_99
homasote is ok to burn, I talked with the manufacturer today.
I posted the MSDS in the file section
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Another point of view -- If you think you're getting any smoke or gas from
your fireplace fires into your living quarters, you shouldn't use the
fireplace at all.
Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 70522 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Is it known by any other name? I went to my local lumberyard asking for homasote and they looked at me like I was from Mars

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: t.hawley@...
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:21:37 -0400
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?


























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From: reefma_99

homasote is ok to burn, I talked with the manufacturer today.

I posted the MSDS in the file section

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Another point of view -- If you think you're getting any smoke or gas from

your fireplace fires into your living quarters, you shouldn't use the

fireplace at all.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich




























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Group: S-Trains Message: 70523 From: scubadoo2 Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Sorry, I missed the open hearth part, I agree. It can be burned outdoors, but not indors.

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hawley
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?



----- Original Message -----
From: reefma_99
homasote is ok to burn, I talked with the manufacturer today.
I posted the MSDS in the file section
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Another point of view -- If you think you're getting any smoke or gas from
your fireplace fires into your living quarters, you shouldn't use the
fireplace at all.
Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70524 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
In So Cal it was known as Celotex, Mike


In a message dated 9/24/2012 6:25:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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Is it known by any other name? I went to my local lumberyard asking for
homasote and they looked at me like I was from Mars

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From: _t.hawley@..._ (mailto:t.hawley@...)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:21:37 -0400
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?

----- Original Message -----

From: reefma_99

homasote is ok to burn, I talked with the manufacturer today.

I posted the MSDS in the file section

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Another point of view -- If you think you're getting any smoke or gas from


your fireplace fires into your living quarters, you shouldn't use the

fireplace at all.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70525 From: scubadoo2 Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
my local Homedepot sells it.

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From: scubadoo2
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?



Sorry, I missed the open hearth part, I agree. It can be burned outdoors, but not indors.

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hawley
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?

----- Original Message -----
From: reefma_99
homasote is ok to burn, I talked with the manufacturer today.
I posted the MSDS in the file section
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Another point of view -- If you think you're getting any smoke or gas from
your fireplace fires into your living quarters, you shouldn't use the
fireplace at all.
Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70526 From: Bill Porter Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Nope. That is different stuff. Homasote is the name of the company and
the product. It is made from old newspapers. Each year at the
International Homebuilder's Show I visit their booth. They know that it
is a product well-respected in model railroad circles. Celotex is
something else entirely and nowhere near as good at holding spikes or
track nails.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 9/24/2012 9:53 PM, anormal1@... wrote:
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70527 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
PVMRs last experience with HOMOSOTE was less than worthwhile. The sheet
were cut diagonally instead of square, we had to cut & fill to finish the
table tops, it was all removed after one year and we are now using foam.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 9/24/2012 10:24:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wpporter@... writes:

Nope. That is different stuff. Homasote is the name of the company and
the product. It is made from old newspapers. Each year at the
International Homebuilder's Show I visit their booth. They know that it
is a product well-respected in model railroad circles. Celotex is
something else entirely and nowhere near as good at holding spikes or
track nails.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 9/24/2012 9:53 PM, anormal1@... wrote:
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70528 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
That explains it. Where I was living at the time there was no Home Depot. Well there is where I live now.

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: scubadoo2@...
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:31:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?


























my local Homedepot sells it.



----- Original Message -----

From: scubadoo2

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 9:19 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?



Sorry, I missed the open hearth part, I agree. It can be burned outdoors, but not indors.



----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Hawley

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 8:21 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?



----- Original Message -----

From: reefma_99

homasote is ok to burn, I talked with the manufacturer today.

I posted the MSDS in the file section

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Another point of view -- If you think you're getting any smoke or gas from

your fireplace fires into your living quarters, you shouldn't use the

fireplace at all.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70529 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Homosote, Celotex, etc
Celotex is a product that uses fiberous plant material shredded and glued together, then coated with a water resistant black outer color. It was used for years between wall studs and siding on homes. It is supposed to be insulation, but it crumbles easily, is rather heavy, swells when wet, and is worthless for model railroading.

Homosote is a somewhat harder product glued up of sawdust and waste paper. It was also used for home construction although, like Celotex not much anymore. Model railroad use also dates back many years, but less useful today as better products have come along.

Masonite, also known as "hard board" was also a staple of interior and counter top home construction with one smooth side and one waffle pattern side. A variation with milled grooves and a thin veneer is used for for wood wall paneling. Again a popular glued sawdust/waste cardboard product. The same product with regularly spaced holes in it is known as "peg board." The waffle side had many uses for model trains, and some commerical slot car tracks used it for road and side trim.

In the post World War Two era, glued "wood" products were very popular and cheap to manufacture. They found their way into hundreds of uses and even today old modelers prefer certain ones. But they are getting hard to find in most areas as the home construction and improvement industries have pretty much stopped using them because better synthetic materials have come along.

In many cases gluing up extruded foam is faster and cheaper than nails or screws in wood and has a better insulation factor. Traditional 2x4 wood studs are slowly being replaced with steel framing as wood gets more expensive, and now whole houses, except for interior walls and roof, are being poured of concrete inside reusable forms.

As with the rise of electronics, synthetic materials are the norm today. Just as Homosote was a staple of model railroading in the fifties and sixties and a whole generation of us grew up with it, extruded foam and liquid adheasives is the norm today.

I learned to use foam and glue construction some years ago while in HO and will probably not go back to wood other than for benchwork. And no, you don't DARE burn any plastic foam indoors!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70530 From: rapidrail1 Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
No, Celotex is a similar, but different product. Celotex is designed to be used behind siding on the outside of the house. It is impregnated with asphalt to help with moisture control. DO NOT BURN CELOTEX IN THE FIREPLACE. And, if you use it on a layout you are tempting poison gases in your house should it catch on fire. That is why it is used on the outside of the house.

Wayne

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70531 From: rapidrail1 Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Your local lumber yard must be a Lowes (knows nothing) or a Home Despot. They hire people who know nothing about building supplies. A friend of mine used to call that the "deer in the headlight" look. But they can tell you which aisle the potted plants are on. Ocassionally they will hire an out of work contractor. If you are lucky, you might get one of those to talk with. It's too bad everyone supports the big box lumber sellers instead of the knowledgeable local lumber yards. Yes, they were more expensive but they had knowledgable people, and that cost more money. I retired from a local lumber company. People would call us to get information then go to the big box to buy at a cheaper price. Well, now the local dealer is gone, so who is going to answer their questions?

Homasote itself is OK to burn. It's just a glued up paperboard. But it depends on what type of glue you used to glue up the logs. If it is a water base, you are probably OK. But if it has phormeldahyde (sp?) or petroleum base, I would be wary.

Wayne

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70532 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
My grandfather retired as Yard Foreman from a small hometown lumberyard 46 some odd years ago. Before Home Depot or Lowe's.

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: beachy3929@...
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:46:06 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?


























Your local lumber yard must be a Lowes (knows nothing) or a Home Despot. They hire people who know nothing about building supplies. A friend of mine used to call that the "deer in the headlight" look. But they can tell you which aisle the potted plants are on. Ocassionally they will hire an out of work contractor. If you are lucky, you might get one of those to talk with. It's too bad everyone supports the big box lumber sellers instead of the knowledgeable local lumber yards. Yes, they were more expensive but they had knowledgable people, and that cost more money. I retired from a local lumber company. People would call us to get information then go to the big box to buy at a cheaper price. Well, now the local dealer is gone, so who is going to answer their questions?



Homasote itself is OK to burn. It's just a glued up paperboard. But it depends on what type of glue you used to glue up the logs. If it is a water base, you are probably OK. But if it has phormeldahyde (sp?) or petroleum base, I would be wary.



Wayne



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70533 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
With Homosote being as expensive as it is and difficult to get (hard to find
even in local family-owned lumber yards in the Chicago area) why would you
be burning scraps?

Unless they are such small cutoffs that have no potential use it seems like
a waste of material. Even the beveled strips from making roadbed can be
used to edge strips for track.

Odd pieces can be used under turnouts, to support buildings, etc. Homosote
is useful for soldering up parts using pins to hold them in position (frogs,
etc..).

Charlie Vlk



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70534 From: George Cohn Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
On 9/25/2012 6:46 AM, rapidrail1 wrote:
> Your local lumber yard must be a Lowes (knows nothing) or a Home Despot.
> They hire people who know nothing about building supplies.

Must be different where you live. I find that the local Lowe's has more
helpful people than Home Depot where it is often hard to even find
someone to ask.

We do have one local lumberyard that caters to contractors and they do
carry some products that the big box store don't.

We also have a couple of specialty woodworker suppliers who carry the
premium birch plywood, even in the 5 X 5 foot sheets like AC Gilbert
used to use to make the break down 5 X 9 foot store displays. It's very
pricey but nice to work with.

Even our local Ace Hardware stores carry some lumber products but again
it is pricey.

We even have two local Fastenal stores that either carry or can special
order nearly any screw or fastener you might need, at prices much lower
than the traditional hardware stores that often have a limited selection.

Surprisingly I have even found that Amazon carries 1 by 2 foot sheets of
aluminum in various thicknesses that can be very useful.

You just need to shop around and find sources for what you need.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 70535 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Open House
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STARTING AT 2:00 PM (around)

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( 25 minutes from York, PA FAIRGROUNDS )

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This year's event will start at 2 PM., and will continue until everyone has left or has been thrown out, including myself (Ron). There will be food, drinks, and a large selection of American Flyer & Lionel trains and accessories. Hopefully there will be some very unusual and interesting Flyer items to show and tell about (please bring in your interesting Flyer items), and of course we will also have a large group of Flyer and Lionel operators and collectors visiting. Make plans to attend this yearly event and please tell your American Flyer & Lionel friends to come along. There is plenty of that stuff here to choose from.

DIRECTIONS:
From the York Fairgrounds, take Market St. to Carlisle Ave. until you get to Route 30 west. Follow Route 30 west (for approximately 8 miles) until you come to the intersection of Rt.116 & Route 30. Turn left onto Rt.116. From route 116 & 30 you will travel approximately 20 miles where Rt. 116 will become York St. in the town of Hanover. As you enter the town of Hanover, travel approximately 2 miles. The train shop will be on the right side of York St./116. Look for the Railroad Flag hanging from the front of the store.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70536 From: Timboy Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Thanks to everyone for your input on this. I have decided not to burn it in my living room fireplace. I sometimes get a slight downdraft and if there are toxic or at least irritating fumes coming off it, then that would not be good. I used white glue to laminate the splines and there is speculation that white glue contains formaldehyde. Instead, I'll stock-pile it a while and bribe, er I mean tip the haulers to take it away. :) :)

OBTW, it's way too early for me to start my new build - the Sibley department store layout. But when I do, I'll post about it and maintain a blog with pics & descriptions (with more detail than I can post about) along the way.

Thanks again...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70537 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Cute Anecdote: A real estate investor friend ( read cheap ) needed some
major lumber to strengthen up some beams and floor joists in a rental. He
came up with a material list and started to call the "big boys". I was
working on moving the plumbing, heating and electrical out of the way when he
complained about the prices he was getting. I told him to call the local
lumber yard. He thought they would be way too expensive, but, agreed to do
so. They went thru his list, quoted lower prices than anyone of the
"chains" and when he asked delivery price, he was told it was FREE. Next
morning, the lumber was delivered and the driver left with a check. My investor
buddy had NO idea how much he could have saved by dealing locally, all
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Jim Lyle


In a message dated 9/25/2012 12:58:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
timstrains2000@... writes:

knowledgeable local lumber yards. Yes, they were more expensive but they
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70538 From: Robert Graves Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: For sale: Gilbert 612 Freight and Passenger Station with Crane
Brown trim, repro windows. There are scattered spots of paint loss, but the finish remains shiny and the station gives a very nice impression. All the doors are present, and they open and shut smoothly. Both cranks on the crane operate properly. The light works. Some bending in the walls, but nothing gross.  Overall, a nice station in C-5/C-6 condition.  Pictures are on my website:

      http://thegilbertgallery.org/For Sale Pages/for_sale_accessories.html


TM Guide value adjusted for condition $75.  Make offer.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70539 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
As I recall back then about the only thing available was pre-fab cork roadbed laid on plywood

To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:46:06 +0000

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?



Your local lumber yard must be a Lowes (knows nothing) or a Home Despot. They hire people who know nothing about building supplies. A friend of mine used to call that the "deer in the headlight" look. But they can tell you which aisle the potted plants are on. Ocassionally they will hire an out of work contractor. If you are lucky, you might get one of those to talk with. It's too bad everyone supports the big box lumber sellers instead of the knowledgeable local lumber yards. Yes, they were more expensive but they had knowledgable people, and that cost more money. I retired from a local lumber company. People would call us to get information then go to the big box to buy at a cheaper price. Well, now the local dealer is gone, so who is going to answer their questions?



Homasote itself is OK to burn. It's just a glued up paperboard. But it depends on what type of glue you used to glue up the logs. If it is a water base, you are probably OK. But if it has phormeldahyde (sp?) or petroleum base, I would be wary.



Wayne



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70540 From: Bill Porter Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
I am looking forward to it.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 9/25/2012 11:28 AM, Timboy wrote:
> Thanks to everyone for your input on this. I have decided not to burn it in my living room fireplace. I sometimes get a slight downdraft and if there are toxic or at least irritating fumes coming off it, then that would not be good. I used white glue to laminate the splines and there is speculation that white glue contains formaldehyde. Instead, I'll stock-pile it a while and bribe, er I mean tip the haulers to take it away. :) :)
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> OBTW, it's way too early for me to start my new build - the Sibley department store layout. But when I do, I'll post about it and maintain a blog with pics & descriptions (with more detail than I can post about) along the way.
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> Thanks again...
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70541 From: Mike Andrzejewski Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
Back in the mid-1960's, Homasote on plywood was recommended for model railroads for its ability to deaden sound and grip track spikes.  I used it on my first layout built around that time 46 some years ago.

Mike Andrzejewski


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From: Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...>
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?


 
As I recall back then about the only thing available was pre-fab cork roadbed laid on plywood

To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
From: danceswithwolves49@...
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 10:27:10 -0600
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?

My grandfather retired as Yard Foreman from a small hometown lumberyard 46 some odd years ago. Before Home Depot or Lowe's.

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

From: beachy3929@...

Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:46:06 +0000

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?

Your local lumber yard must be a Lowes (knows nothing) or a Home Despot. They hire people who know nothing about building supplies. A friend of mine used to call that the "deer in the headlight" look. But they can tell you which aisle the potted plants are on. Ocassionally they will hire an out of work contractor. If you are lucky, you might get one of those to talk with. It's too bad everyone supports the big box lumber sellers instead of the knowledgeable local lumber yards. Yes, they were more expensive but they had knowledgable people, and that cost more money. I retired from a local lumber company. People would call us to get information then go to the big box to buy at a cheaper price. Well, now the local dealer is gone, so who is going to answer their questions?

Homasote itself is OK to burn. It's just a glued up paperboard. But it depends on what type of glue you used to glue up the logs. If it is a water base, you are probably OK. But if it has phormeldahyde (sp?) or petroleum base, I would be wary.

Wayne

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70542 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?
something else used was upson board which was a real bear to sink spikes or even track mails into.

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:22:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?


























Back in the mid-1960's, Homasote on plywood was recommended for model railroads for its ability to deaden sound and grip track spikes. I used it on my first layout built around that time 46 some years ago.



Mike Andrzejewski



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To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 2:35 PM

Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?







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From: danceswithwolves49@...

Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 10:27:10 -0600

Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?



My grandfather retired as Yard Foreman from a small hometown lumberyard 46 some odd years ago. Before Home Depot or Lowe's.



To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com



From: beachy3929@...



Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:46:06 +0000



Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Can I Burn Homosote In My Fireplace?



Your local lumber yard must be a Lowes (knows nothing) or a Home Despot. They hire people who know nothing about building supplies. A friend of mine used to call that the "deer in the headlight" look. But they can tell you which aisle the potted plants are on. Ocassionally they will hire an out of work contractor. If you are lucky, you might get one of those to talk with. It's too bad everyone supports the big box lumber sellers instead of the knowledgeable local lumber yards. Yes, they were more expensive but they had knowledgable people, and that cost more money. I retired from a local lumber company. People would call us to get information then go to the big box to buy at a cheaper price. Well, now the local dealer is gone, so who is going to answer their questions?



Homasote itself is OK to burn. It's just a glued up paperboard. But it depends on what type of glue you used to glue up the logs. If it is a water base, you are probably OK. But if it has phormeldahyde (sp?) or petroleum base, I would be wary.



Wayne



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70543 From: Brady Burdge Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: November Model Railroader
The November Model Railroader cover story is by Brooks Stover on how to make tree covered hills. Check it out.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70544 From: salgal17329 Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: open house, toy trains unlimited, hanover pa....oct. 17
OPEN HOUSE
WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 17, 2012
STARTING AT 2:00 PM (around)

TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED
38 YORK ST. (NEW LOCATION )
HANOVER PA. 17331
( 25 minutes from York, PA FAIRGROUNDS )

1-717-637-4717


FOOD, DRINKS & PLENTY OF GOOD CONVERSATION

Toy Trains Unlimited, 38 York St., Hanover PA. 17331,will be having an open house on Wednesday, October the 17th, 2012. This is the week of the York TCA, Meet.
This year's event will start at 2 PM., and will continue until everyone has left or has been thrown out, including myself (Ron). There will be food, drinks, and a large selection of American Flyer & Lionel trains and accessories. Hopefully there will be some very unusual and interesting Flyer items to show and tell about (please bring in your interesting Flyer items), and of course we will also have a large group of Flyer and Lionel operators and collectors visiting. Make plans to attend this yearly event and please tell your American Flyer & Lionel friends to come along. There is plenty of that stuff here to choose from.

DIRECTIONS:
From the York Fairgrounds, take Market St. to Carlisle Ave. until you get to Route 30 west. Follow Route 30 west (for approximately 8 miles) until you come to the intersection of Rt.116 & Route 30. Turn left onto Rt.116. From route 116 & 30 you will travel approximately 20 miles where Rt. 116 will become York St. in the town of Hanover. As you enter the town of Hanover, travel approximately 2 miles. The train shop will be on the right side of York St./116. Look for the Railroad Flag hanging from the front of the store.

POST & PRE-WAR LIONEL ////TRAINS & ACCESSORIES

AMERICAN FLYER//// TRAINS & ACCESSORIES

MTH ////TRAINS & ACCESSORIES

AMERICAN MODELS, S-HELPER, K-LINE, DISCOUNT TRAIN SETS


THERE IS NO RETAIL PRICES IN THIS STORE !
Group: S-Trains Message: 70545 From: Bill Date: 9/27/2012
Subject: radiator fan replacements for the American Models SD70MAC
I'd like to find a source for replacement radiator fan housings, so that I can make them open and mount speakers below. I note that there are two different sizes.BILL in Idaho
Group: S-Trains Message: 70546 From: willisbd Date: 9/27/2012
Subject: I may have been hacked
There are some strange things going on with my yahoo email (willisbd@...) and I may have been hacked. I apologize if any of you have received junk from me today. I haven't been on in a couple weeks, but my wife got email from me today. I've changed my group communications to a different account until I find out what is going on. - Bruce Willis
Group: S-Trains Message: 70547 From: Robert Lampe Date: 9/27/2012
Subject: Re: I may have been hacked
I suggest to be on the safe side go in and change your password happened to me a while back. Simple process

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: bdwillis@...
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 01:28:47 +0000
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There are some strange things going on with my yahoo email (willisbd@...) and I may have been hacked. I apologize if any of you have received junk from me today. I haven't been on in a couple weeks, but my wife got email from me today. I've changed my group communications to a different account until I find out what is going on. - Bruce Willis


























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Group: S-Trains Message: 70548 From: Randall Date: 9/27/2012
Subject: How is the American Flyer #13 Circuit Breaker wired?
I'm trying to utilize subject circuit breaker with an old, non-breaker-protected AF transformer. I can't locate a wiring diagram. There are 2 black wires on the #13 circuit breaker. How are these connected?

Thanks, in advance, for your help!

Regards, Randy Griggs
Group: S-Trains Message: 70549 From: rhicks308 Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: Re: How is the American Flyer #13 Circuit Breaker wired?
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Randall" <rlgriggs@...> wrote:
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> I'm trying to utilize subject circuit breaker with an old, non-breaker-protected AF transformer. I can't locate a wiring diagram. There are 2 black wires on the #13 circuit breaker. How are these connected?
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> Thanks, in advance, for your help!
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> Regards, Randy Griggs
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You just connect one black wire to the base post, and everything that would be connected to the base post goes to the other wire instead. That way all current flows through the circuit breaker, and it will trip if there's excess current.

Randall
Group: S-Trains Message: 70550 From: Brady Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: New articles posted on Trainlife
Group: S-Trains Message: 70551 From: Alan Smith Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: Re: How is the American Flyer #13 Circuit Breaker wired?
Randy,

Per K ­ Line service manual for AF

If your installing a # 13 automatic circuit breaker? One black wire goes
to the base post and the other remaining wire goes to the (Inside) track
wire clip.

Cheers,

A Smith


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70552 From: rhicks308 Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: Re: How is the American Flyer #13 Circuit Breaker wired?
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Smith <alansmith@...> wrote:
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> Randy,
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> Per K ­ Line service manual for AF
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> If your installing a # 13 automatic circuit breaker? One black wire goes
> to the base post and the other remaining wire goes to the (Inside) track
> wire clip.
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> Cheers,
>
> A Smith
>

Yes. But if you have any other accessories, they need to be wired through the circuit breaker also. That's the way any built-in circuit breaker is connected.

Randall H.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70553 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: Re: How is the American Flyer #13 Circuit Breaker wired?
Randall, & Others, You will need two circuit breakers. One for the Fixed
post (Acc) & one for the Var post. Only one is needed for the base post, as
both the fixed & the Var. are sharing the common or neutral, which the
base post is. Mike


In a message dated 9/28/2012 2:50:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
randallhicks@... writes:






--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Alan
Smith <alansmith@...> wrote:
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> Randy,
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> Per K ­ Line service manual for AF
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> If your installing a # 13 automatic circuit breaker? One black wire goes
> to the base post and the other remaining wire goes to the (Inside) track
> wire clip.
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> Cheers,
>
> A Smith
>

Yes. But if you have any other accessories, they need to be wired through
the circuit breaker also. That's the way any built-in circuit breaker is
connected.

Randall H.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 70554 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: Re: How is the American Flyer #13 Circuit Breaker wired?
The simplest way to look at it is to consider the lead not connected to
the base post to be the "new base post." If all connections, both
accessory and track power are connected to this "new base post," the
current return will always be through the circuit breaker and everything
will be protected. Just make sure nothing is directly connected to the
base post on the transformer, except the circuit breaker.

Dale
On 9/28/2012 2:56 PM, anormal1@... wrote:
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> Randall, & Others, You will need two circuit breakers. One for the Fixed
> post (Acc) & one for the Var post. Only one is needed for the base
> post, as
> both the fixed & the Var. are sharing the common or neutral, which the
> base post is. Mike
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> Smith <alansmith@...> wrote:
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> > wire clip.
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> > Cheers,
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> Yes. But if you have any other accessories, they need to be wired through
> the circuit breaker also. That's the way any built-in circuit breaker is
> connected.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70555 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: Re: How is the American Flyer #13 Circuit Breaker wired?
Better said than I, Mike


In a message dated 9/28/2012 5:41:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dalefsmith@... writes:




The simplest way to look at it is to consider the lead not connected to
the base post to be the "new base post." If all connections, both
accessory and track power are connected to this "new base post," the
current return will always be through the circuit breaker and everything
will be protected. Just make sure nothing is directly connected to the
base post on the transformer, except the circuit breaker.

Dale
On 9/28/2012 2:56 PM, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) wrote:
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> Randall, & Others, You will need two circuit breakers. One for the Fixed
> post (Acc) & one for the Var post. Only one is needed for the base
> post, as
> both the fixed & the Var. are sharing the common or neutral, which the
> base post is. Mike
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> In a message dated 9/28/2012 2:50:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> _randallhicks@..._ (mailto:randallhicks@...)
<mailto:randallhicks%40wideopenwest.com>
> writes:
>
> --- In __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
<mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>_
> (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
<mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>)
> , Alan
> Smith <alansmith@...> wrote:
> >
> > Randy,
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> > Per K ­ Line service manual for AF
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> > If your installing a # 13 automatic circuit breaker? One black wire
goes
> > to the base post and the other remaining wire goes to the (Inside)
track
> > wire clip.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > A Smith
> >
>
> Yes. But if you have any other accessories, they need to be wired through
> the circuit breaker also. That's the way any built-in circuit breaker is
> connected.
>
> Randall H.
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70556 From: Robert E. Wilson Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: AF 971 Lumber Unloading Car
Following is a question on the new AF 971 Lumber Unloading Car. On the
older AF action cars the electrical pick-up arm and the conducting wheels
are on the same side of the car. On the AF 971 the electrical pick-up arm
and the conducting wheels are on opposite sides, which causes wiring
problems. Have others noticed this, or do I have a non-standard car? Is
there a simple cure?



Thanks for any help.



Bob in Arvada





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70557 From: s_trains Date: 9/29/2012
Subject: Tom Barker's repair and restoration manual (new version available)
Not sure if you folks heard about Tom's new book. ($20 on Amazon)

Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Operating and Repair Guide (Volume 1) by Thomas B. Barker
Permalink: http://amzn.com/1466420715

Tom Barker's best selling guide to the repair and restoration of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge trains is available in print once more. Now in its 40th Anniversary, Third Edition it is packed full of new information including a new chapter on cosmetic restoration and an expanded chapter on accessories. Tom includes a handy checklist that gives you the step-by-step procedures for servicing a steam or diesel engine when it comes into your roundhouse. The book's footprint has been made smaller so more precious space on a workbench is available. At the same time, the type has been made larger and all the Gilbert hook-up instructions have been reset for easier reading. The famous trouble shooting flow diagram has been redrawn and 85 new photographs have been added for a total of 120 close-up, detailed visual insights into how these prized model trains are assembled and serviced. If you are new to American Flyer S Gauge operating and collecting, this is a "must have guide" to your hobby. If you have a previous copy of Tom's book, you will certainly want to get this new version!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70558 From: Robert Graves Date: 9/29/2012
Subject: Re: AF 971 Lumber Unloading Car
Simple cure: turn the wheelset around.

On Lionel Flyer cars, you have to be VERY careful doing this or you'll break the sideframe. Guess how I know this.

On Gilbert cars, make sure you put pressure on the sheet metal sides of the truck, not on the sideframe.  If you put pressure on the sideframe, it'll pop off.  (At least it's not likely to break!)




________________________________
From: Robert E. Wilson <rewilson_pe@...>
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 8:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF 971 Lumber Unloading Car


 


Following is a question on the new AF 971 Lumber Unloading Car. On the
older AF action cars the electrical pick-up arm and the conducting wheels
are on the same side of the car. On the AF 971 the electrical pick-up arm
and the conducting wheels are on opposite sides, which causes wiring
problems. Have others noticed this, or do I have a non-standard car? Is
there a simple cure?

Thanks for any help.

Bob in Arvada

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70559 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Show Dates ???
Anyone know the dates of the train show at the Timonium MD
Fairgrounds. ????
Jerry 77-11644
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70560 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Re: Tom Barker's repair and restoration manual (new version availabl
We have the book available on our website also, and in stock, for the
same price, and our copies are autographed by Tom.



<<<Not sure if you folks heard about Tom's new book. ($20 on Amazon)
Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Operating and Repair Guide (Volume 1) by
Thomas B. Barker>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM
(EST) only.
978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70561 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Re: Tom Barker's repair and restoration manual (new version av...
Doug, please send me a total for this book & an invoice from Paypal, Thank
You, Mike


In a message dated 9/30/2012 4:45:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
doug@... writes:




We have the book available on our website also, and in stock, for the
same price, and our copies are autographed by Tom.

<<<Not sure if you folks heard about Tom's new book. ($20 on Amazon)
Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Operating and Repair Guide (Volume 1) by
Thomas B. Barker>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
_doug@..._ (mailto:doug@...)
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM
(EST) only.
978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70562 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Re: Tom Barker's repair and restoration manual (new version availabl
Hi All,

I received my autographed copy of Tom's new book in the mail yesterday. If you don't get a copy you're missing out on some very useful information!

David


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "s_trains" <s_trains@...> wrote:
>
> Not sure if you folks heard about Tom's new book. ($20 on Amazon)
>
> Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Operating and Repair Guide (Volume 1) by Thomas B. Barker
> Permalink: http://amzn.com/1466420715
>
> Tom Barker's best selling guide to the repair and restoration of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge trains is available in print once more. Now in its 40th Anniversary, Third Edition it is packed full of new information including a new chapter on cosmetic restoration and an expanded chapter on accessories. Tom includes a handy checklist that gives you the step-by-step procedures for servicing a steam or diesel engine when it comes into your roundhouse. The book's footprint has been made smaller so more precious space on a workbench is available. At the same time, the type has been made larger and all the Gilbert hook-up instructions have been reset for easier reading. The famous trouble shooting flow diagram has been redrawn and 85 new photographs have been added for a total of 120 close-up, detailed visual insights into how these prized model trains are assembled and serviced. If you are new to American Flyer S Gauge operating and collecting, this is a "must have guide" to your hobby. If you have a previous copy of Tom's book, you will certainly want to get this new version!
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70563 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Re: Tom Barker's repair and restoration manual (new version availabl
Please bring several of these books to the Fest.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: doug@...
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 07:38:09 -0400
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Tom Barker's repair and restoration manual (new version available)


























We have the book available on our website also, and in stock, for the

same price, and our copies are autographed by Tom.



<<<Not sure if you folks heard about Tom's new book. ($20 on Amazon)

Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Operating and Repair Guide (Volume 1) by

Thomas B. Barker>>>



Doug Peck

Port Lines Hobby Supply

6 Storeybrooke Drive

Newburyport, MA 01950-3408

doug@...

www.portlines.com

Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM

(EST) only.

978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)

1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)

VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70564 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Re: Tom Barker's repair and restoration manual (new version av...
Sorry, I sent to wrong web address, Mike


In a message dated 9/30/2012 7:11:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
anormal1@... writes:




Doug, please send me a total for this book & an invoice from Paypal, Thank
You, Mike


In a message dated 9/30/2012 4:45:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
_doug@..._ (mailto:doug@...) writes:

We have the book available on our website also, and in stock, for the
same price, and our copies are autographed by Tom.

<<<Not sure if you folks heard about Tom's new book. ($20 on Amazon)
Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Operating and Repair Guide (Volume 1) by
Thomas B. Barker>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
__doug@..._ (mailto:_doug@...) _
(mailto:_doug@..._ (mailto:doug@...) )
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM
(EST) only.
978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70565 From: Thomas Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Re: Tom Barker's repair and restoration manual (new version availabl
Be sure to visit my companion video to the book at my web site. The video shows in close-up detail how to adjust a reverse unit, remove brushed from a steamer motor, rewind a steam armature, and rebuild a smoke unit. The URL is : http://tombarker.net/TomBarkerWebsite/Repair_Clinic_Movie.html

Best wishes to all in the operation of these great trains!

Tom Barker

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "s_trains" <s_trains@...> wrote:
>
> Not sure if you folks heard about Tom's new book. ($20 on Amazon)
>
> Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Operating and Repair Guide (Volume 1) by Thomas B. Barker
> Permalink: http://amzn.com/1466420715
>
> Tom Barker's best selling guide to the repair and restoration of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge trains is available in print once more. Now in its 40th Anniversary, Third Edition it is packed full of new information including a new chapter on cosmetic restoration and an expanded chapter on accessories. Tom includes a handy checklist that gives you the step-by-step procedures for servicing a steam or diesel engine when it comes into your roundhouse. The book's footprint has been made smaller so more precious space on a workbench is available. At the same time, the type has been made larger and all the Gilbert hook-up instructions have been reset for easier reading. The famous trouble shooting flow diagram has been redrawn and 85 new photographs have been added for a total of 120 close-up, detailed visual insights into how these prized model trains are assembled and serviced. If you are new to American Flyer S Gauge operating and collecting, this is a "must have guide" to your hobby. If you have a previous copy of Tom's book, you will certainly want to get this new version!
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70567 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/1/2012
Subject: RCTHS Train Meet
RCTHS Train Meet



The Reading Company Technical & Historical Society will sponsor their 33
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1 PM, $ 4.00 per Adult, 12 & under FREE. Lots of FREE Parking as well.
Toy trains, scale model trains, railroadiana, etc will be offered by an array
of vendors. Tables still available, Contact Chuck from 6 to 9 PM, @
610-777-2053

Proceeds benefit ongoing museum & eduaction activities of the RCTHS.

Thank You,

Jim Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70568 From: Bob Date: 10/1/2012
Subject: New American Flyer Product
Hi S-Gaugers. We have added new Lionel/American Flyer products on our website: www.americanflyertrains4u.com. In addition to classic Flyer we've increased our inventory in our 1979-2012 L/AF stock including an assortment of PB-1's, passenger, and Christmas Holiday cars. If you can't find what you are looking for, please let us know and we will try to locate the specific item for your collection and operation. Also, check out our S-Helper page while you check our website as well. At this time, we only accept personal checks, M.O.'s and Cashire checks. However, we will work with you on a lay-away plan on more expensive American Flyer items. Thanks and have a great rest of the week.

Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 70569 From: Lon Walker Date: 10/1/2012
Subject: Re: New American Flyer Product
   Hi Bob,    What is your last name?  I could not find it in this post or on your website. Also where are you located? Thanks. Lon Walker, IL


________________________________
From: Bob <aftrains4u@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 6:42 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] New American Flyer Product


 
Hi S-Gaugers. We have added new Lionel/American Flyer products on our website: www.americanflyertrains4u.com. In addition to classic Flyer we've increased our inventory in our 1979-2012 L/AF stock including an assortment of PB-1's, passenger, and Christmas Holiday cars. If you can't find what you are looking for, please let us know and we will try to locate the specific item for your collection and operation. Also, check out our S-Helper page while you check our website as well. At this time, we only accept personal checks, M.O.'s and Cashire checks. However, we will work with you on a lay-away plan on more expensive American Flyer items. Thanks and have a great rest of the week.

Bob




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70570 From: tdoct@aol.com Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: New American Flyer Product
Bob Dimitri -Cape Cod ma- new to flyer Thanks


tdoct@...




-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Walker <wlon17@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New American Flyer Product





Hi Bob, What is your last name? I could not find it in this post or on your website. Also where are you located? Thanks. Lon Walker, IL

________________________________
From: Bob <aftrains4u@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 6:42 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] New American Flyer Product



Hi S-Gaugers. We have added new Lionel/American Flyer products on our website: www.americanflyertrains4u.com. In addition to classic Flyer we've increased our inventory in our 1979-2012 L/AF stock including an assortment of PB-1's, passenger, and Christmas Holiday cars. If you can't find what you are looking for, please let us know and we will try to locate the specific item for your collection and operation. Also, check out our S-Helper page while you check our website as well. At this time, we only accept personal checks, M.O.'s and Cashire checks. However, we will work with you on a lay-away plan on more expensive American Flyer items. Thanks and have a great rest of the week.

Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70571 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: New American Flyer Product
Hi Bob. My name is Bob Iannacone and we’re located in Brentwood, TN just adjacent and south of Nashville. My wife and I lived in Schaumburg and Bloomingdale, IL. for 16 years. Moved here in 1986 for a new job. I’m a native of Westport, CT., about 38 miles from New Haven where American Flyer was manufactured. Thanks for connecting with me. Take care.



Bob



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tdoct@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:12 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New American Flyer Product





Bob Dimitri -Cape Cod ma- new to flyer Thanks

tdoct@... <mailto:tdoct%40aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Lon Walker <wlon17@... <mailto:wlon17%40yahoo.com> >
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New American Flyer Product

Hi Bob, What is your last name? I could not find it in this post or on your website. Also where are you located? Thanks. Lon Walker, IL

________________________________
From: Bob <aftrains4u@... <mailto:aftrains4u%40yahoo.com> >
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 6:42 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] New American Flyer Product


Hi S-Gaugers. We have added new Lionel/American Flyer products on our website: www.americanflyertrains4u.com. In addition to classic Flyer we've increased our inventory in our 1979-2012 L/AF stock including an assortment of PB-1's, passenger, and Christmas Holiday cars. If you can't find what you are looking for, please let us know and we will try to locate the specific item for your collection and operation. Also, check out our S-Helper page while you check our website as well. At this time, we only accept personal checks, M.O.'s and Cashire checks. However, we will work with you on a lay-away plan on more expensive American Flyer items. Thanks and have a great rest of the week.

Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70572 From: Ben Date: 10/3/2012
Subject: Early "AF" circus wagons repros available now!
Those coveted early pre-Gilbert circus wagons/trucks originally used as cake decorations in the rare baby blue, yellow, and green color combinations are now being reproduced!!! The first of them are being sold on eBay now.

This is a leap of faith for the person reproducing them as she saw a niche for collectors who wished to have the early colors but were not fortunate enough to be in the right place at the right time to land them.

She has the pre-production-in-nature details correct down to the triangular void of plastic in the lower scroll work, translucent plastic used in the molding process, "peg" based animals, and early "dimpled" wagon wheels.

I have been in contact with the seller who says more colorful loads are on the way- the product is proudly made in the USA- and she is excited for the very positive reception she has received so far!

I hope she does very well in her endeavors and I can't wait to add much more color to my circus train!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 70573 From: Scott Date: 10/3/2012
Subject: Re: Early "AF" circus wagons repros available now!
They do look nice. But are they marked as reproductions? And the prices they are bringing on ebay you can just about buy the origials.



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> Those coveted early pre-Gilbert circus wagons/trucks originally used as cake decorations in the rare baby blue, yellow, and green color combinations are now being reproduced!!! The first of them are being sold on eBay now.
>
> This is a leap of faith for the person reproducing them as she saw a niche for collectors who wished to have the early colors but were not fortunate enough to be in the right place at the right time to land them.
>
> She has the pre-production-in-nature details correct down to the triangular void of plastic in the lower scroll work, translucent plastic used in the molding process, "peg" based animals, and early "dimpled" wagon wheels.
>
> I have been in contact with the seller who says more colorful loads are on the way- the product is proudly made in the USA- and she is excited for the very positive reception she has received so far!
>
> I hope she does very well in her endeavors and I can't wait to add much more color to my circus train!!
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70574 From: rapidrail1 Date: 10/4/2012
Subject: Re: Early "AF" circus wagons repros available now!
People have to realize it cost money to develop manufacturing, buy supplies, spend time making stuff instead of more profitable endeavors, and then carry stock until they sell. They also deserve a handy profit for taking the chance in the first place. I know. I took a chance when people asked me to produce some of my decals for sale. When I did I was told, "I thought you would only charge a dollar for them." That did not even cover the cost of supplies, much less my time. So again now, I only make them for myself and close friends for free. Perhaps she should have gone to china or india to make these in sweat shops so the price could be lower.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <northdorchesterrr@...> wrote:
>
> They do look nice. But are they marked as reproductions? And the prices they are bringing on ebay you can just about buy the origials.
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@> wrote:
> >
> > Those coveted early pre-Gilbert circus wagons/trucks originally used as cake decorations in the rare baby blue, yellow, and green color combinations are now being reproduced!!! The first of them are being sold on eBay now.
> >
> > This is a leap of faith for the person reproducing them as she saw a niche for collectors who wished to have the early colors but were not fortunate enough to be in the right place at the right time to land them.
> >
> > She has the pre-production-in-nature details correct down to the triangular void of plastic in the lower scroll work, translucent plastic used in the molding process, "peg" based animals, and early "dimpled" wagon wheels.
> >
> > I have been in contact with the seller who says more colorful loads are on the way- the product is proudly made in the USA- and she is excited for the very positive reception she has received so far!
> >
> > I hope she does very well in her endeavors and I can't wait to add much more color to my circus train!!
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70575 From: joesan2c Date: 10/4/2012
Subject: Billboard whistle
*I've been reading posts and learning from it for quite a long time, but have refrained from asking questions because I am such a rank amateur. Well, here goes. I have been working with two billboard whistles to try and get one working. I can get them running but they sound like metal grinding on metal. Any tips on making them actually sound like a whistle? Thanks Joe
Group: S-Trains Message: 70576 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/4/2012
Subject: Re: Billboard whistle
You and me, Joe. We'll be rank together, amateur wise.

I have one of those things and it does work. The essence of it is that
the motor turns a little fan that blows some air through a whistle-like
aperture. So, you need to get the motor to run fast enough to do that.
If you hear grinding, it might be that something needs lubrication. A
drop of your favorite light oil should do the trick. Even when you get
that part working, these things are not going to provide modern,
CD-quality sound. I can hear the motor running. If I get to it, I ought
to post a YouTube with the thing working. Sometimes, just sharing the
experience is enough.

I took it to the Relay For Life this past Spring. It was a part of an
endurance run at the event. People would walk past and push the button.
Crowd pleaser.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 10/4/2012 2:36 PM, joesan2c wrote:
> *I've been reading posts and learning from it for quite a long time, but have refrained from asking questions because I am such a rank amateur. Well, here goes. I have been working with two billboard whistles to try and get one working. I can get them running but they sound like metal grinding on metal. Any tips on making them actually sound like a whistle? Thanks Joe
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70577 From: Jaytewilli Date: 10/4/2012
Subject: Re: Billboard whistle
Make sure the two bushings for impeller shaft (one at each end of shaft) are well oiled. That fixed mine.

Regards,

Daryl

Sent from my iPod

On Oct 4, 2012, at 2:36 PM, "joesan2c" <joesan2c@...> wrote:

> *I've been reading posts and learning from it for quite a long time, but have refrained from asking questions because I am such a rank amateur. Well, here goes. I have been working with two billboard whistles to try and get one working. I can get them running but they sound like metal grinding on metal. Any tips on making them actually sound like a whistle? Thanks Joe
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70578 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/4/2012
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert 326 Hudson
Runs forward & reverse; e-unit has been cleaned and cycles with almost 100% reliability.   The horn and headlight work.  Solid TCA C-6 VG condition.  Book value adjusted for condition $140 based on 2012 TM Guide.

Pictures available on request.

Make offer.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70579 From: Ben Date: 10/4/2012
Subject: Re: Early "AF" circus wagons repros available now!
To answer Scott's message- they are not marked as reproductions, but are clearly marked with "Diane's Attic, Made in the USA." There is no mention of Allied whatsoever, so she is safe.

She is also making repro trucks with the light bars and in lots of different colors.

Diane stuck her neck out- on a very interesting product base- and I think she will do well. She will not, however, give them away. The originals of the early wagons go for ridiculous money if you can find them. On eBay, the auctions never officially end. The seller always gets contacted by someone offering stupid money and ends the auctions early. Another one bites the dust. Diane hopes she can fill a niche, and she has a lot invested- in time, money, sweat, and tears. She told me the process has been very frustrating...but worth it.

I can't wait to see these wagons in person and add several to my collection.

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote:
>
> People have to realize it cost money to develop manufacturing, buy supplies, spend time making stuff instead of more profitable endeavors, and then carry stock until they sell. They also deserve a handy profit for taking the chance in the first place. I know. I took a chance when people asked me to produce some of my decals for sale. When I did I was told, "I thought you would only charge a dollar for them." That did not even cover the cost of supplies, much less my time. So again now, I only make them for myself and close friends for free. Perhaps she should have gone to china or india to make these in sweat shops so the price could be lower.
>
> Wayne
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <northdorchesterrr@> wrote:
> >
> > They do look nice. But are they marked as reproductions? And the prices they are bringing on ebay you can just about buy the origials.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Those coveted early pre-Gilbert circus wagons/trucks originally used as cake decorations in the rare baby blue, yellow, and green color combinations are now being reproduced!!! The first of them are being sold on eBay now.
> > >
> > > This is a leap of faith for the person reproducing them as she saw a niche for collectors who wished to have the early colors but were not fortunate enough to be in the right place at the right time to land them.
> > >
> > > She has the pre-production-in-nature details correct down to the triangular void of plastic in the lower scroll work, translucent plastic used in the molding process, "peg" based animals, and early "dimpled" wagon wheels.
> > >
> > > I have been in contact with the seller who says more colorful loads are on the way- the product is proudly made in the USA- and she is excited for the very positive reception she has received so far!
> > >
> > > I hope she does very well in her endeavors and I can't wait to add much more color to my circus train!!
> > >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70580 From: Scott Freeman Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: Early "AF" circus wagons repros available now!
I was not saying I had a problem with the fact that she is making money after doing the work to produce them. All I said is that at $200 + which is what I saw the first one sell for I can buy original ones for. And have bought original ones for less in the same colors as the one that sold for over $200. With plastic injection you do have massive exspence in your start up but once you have done that it is a very small cost to mass produce and that is how you keep the cost of the item down and make your money back. The problem with what she has made is it is a very limited market. I really do think they look great and if the prices come down to what a new plastic toy should sell for I will buy some for myself but until then bid away guys.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70581 From: Charles Hancock Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: 302 Boiler Front
Greetings,
Have a Flyer 302 with a loose boiler front. It appears that a small rivet head provided tension to keep the boiler front in place .... ? Is there a way to "fix" this? Bending out the metal that the rivet passes through does not seem to be an option.
Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
Charlie in W Mi
Group: S-Trains Message: 70582 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert 4730A freight set with 342AC 0-8-0 Switcher
For
reference purposes, I show 2012 TM Guide book
values(adjusted for
condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices.Make offer.

4730A Nickel
Plate Switcher Set in C-6 condition
overall, comprising:

342AC Nickel
Plate 0-8-0 Switcher. E-unit cycles reliably and engine runs
forward and reverse. Smokes very well. Headlight and tender light
work. Weak C-7. $250.00

715
AFL Unloading car. Armored Car load is missing. Numerous paint
chips. The metal pickup wheels are on the same side as the pickup
arm. No button or pickup rail. The mechanism doesn't work; tomorrow
I'll see if I can figure out how to fix it. C-4. $9.00

634
C&NW Floodlight-Yellow. Replaced missing Lens. Replaced missing
brake wheel. Replaced small bulb with a large one that works. Light &
platform scratched. I cleaned car and wheels. C-5/C-6. $18.00

631
unpainted T&P Green Gondola. C-7 $14.00

630
Reading Caboose. Red w/sheet metal frame in P-4 box. C-6/C-7. $17.00

3
702 Curved Track Rust on ties; small, cleanable rust spots on rails.
C-5/C-6 $1.50

9
702 Curved Track. Rust on ties; none on rails. C-6 $5.40

4
700 Straight Track. Almost rust-free; can be cleaned to rust-free.
C-6/C-7 $7.60

706
Remote Control Uncoupler. Tested and it works using the button; late
black button. C-5/C-6 $2.00

14
693 Track Locks in their original bag significant rust. C-5/C-6 $6.00

Locomotive
and all cars have original black weight couplers made in 1949-1953.
There are no boxes except for the 630 caboose. There is no
paperwork.

Total
value $331.00. Make offer.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70583 From: Jaytewilli Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: 302 Boiler Front
Charlie,

I usually take my solder gun and build up a little solder on top of the rivet head. Take a small file to the solder to adjust the fit. Works great.

Regards,

Daryl

Sent from my iPod

On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:43 PM, Charles Hancock <charles_hancock@...> wrote:

> Greetings,
> Have a Flyer 302 with a loose boiler front. It appears that a small rivet head provided tension to keep the boiler front in place .... ? Is there a way to "fix" this? Bending out the metal that the rivet passes through does not seem to be an option.
> Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
> Charlie in W Mi
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70584 From: Larry Asp Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: 302 Boiler Front
I put a small piece of electricians tape over the rivet head. This provides enough tightness, and you don't have to modify anything.

On 2012-10-04, at 11:43 PM, Charles Hancock wrote:

> Greetings,
> Have a Flyer 302 with a loose boiler front. It appears that a small rivet head provided tension to keep the boiler front in place .... ? Is there a way to "fix" this? Bending out the metal that the rivet passes through does not seem to be an option.
> Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,
> Charlie in W Mi
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70585 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: Early "AF" circus wagons repros available now!
Excellent reproductions of 3 different sets of 2 circus cages with tractor are readily available from reputable parts dealers for $60 a set. Doug Peck Portlines), Fred Jester, Bill Parr and I stuck our necks out advancing the production cost and had 3000 of these made over a year ago. Daves Twcks and Twains (the successor to Joe's Train Repair) now has my stock of these.
 
Joe

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70586 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: 302 Boiler Front
I put a strip or two of electricians tape inside the boiler on the side the rivet contacts, making the diameter smaller.  Works great too..
Neil



--- On Fri, 10/5/12, Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> wrote:

From: Larry Asp <larry.asp@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 302 Boiler Front
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 5, 2012, 12:02 PM
















 









I put a small piece of electricians tape over the rivet head. This provides enough tightness, and you don't have to modify anything.



On 2012-10-04, at 11:43 PM, Charles Hancock wrote:



> Greetings,

> Have a Flyer 302 with a loose boiler front. It appears that a small rivet head provided tension to keep the boiler front in place .... ? Is there a way to "fix" this? Bending out the metal that the rivet passes through does not seem to be an option.

> Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,

> Charlie in W Mi

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Enjoy thousands of great photos

> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>



























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Group: S-Trains Message: 70587 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale: Gilbert 326 Hudson
Sorry,  I failed to mention four key pieces of information:

- it has the small motor

- the smoke unit works well enough for my wife to complain; not as prolific as my best smokers, but better than my worst. If your wife doesn't like smoke, you don't want one that smokes any better than this one!

- the knuckle coupler works properly

- I see no rust (implied by C-6 condition)

Pictures will be coming this morning to all of you who requested them. 




________________________________
From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
To: s-trains list <s-trains@...>; Sgauge Available <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:50 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: Gilbert 326 Hudson


 
Runs forward & reverse; e-unit has been cleaned and cycles with almost 100% reliability.   The horn and headlight work.  Solid TCA C-6 VG condition.  Book value adjusted for condition $140 based on 2012 TM Guide.

Pictures available on request.

Make offer.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70588 From: Steven Lunde Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Fall S Fest
Only four weeks, that's right, only four weeks until this year's Fall S Fest
hosted by the Badgerland S Gaugers.  The 37th Annual Fall S Fest will be held at
the Marriott Milwaukee West Hotel in Waukesha, Wisconsin, on November 2nd thru
4th.  The Hotel is offering a great rate of just $85/night. 

The tradition continues with buying, selling and swapping S gauge trains.  There
are clinics, tours, train races and other activities.  And don't forget about
the banquet on Saturday evening.  There will be a great dinner followed by a
great speaker and auction.  This year's speaker is Bob Ristow, and his topic is
"How long does it take to build a steam locomotive".  This is a very interesting
presentation and Bob has presented it at the Henry Ford Museum.

The Annual S Fest car is a Soo Line gondola manufactured by S Scale America. 
The gondola comes loaded with 10 Drop Bottom containers. 


For more information along with registration and car order forms, please
visit our web site:  www.trainweb.org/bsg

or contact:      Steve Lunde, S Fest Chairman, Phone:  262-574-1086, e mail: 
ace5348@...

                      Roy Meissner, Registrar, Phone:  262-538-4325, e mail: 
rmeissner@...

Don't miss out on a great time, see old friends and make new ones.  Hope to see
you all soon.

Sincerely,

Steve Lunde
Chairman 2012 Fall S Fest

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70589 From: Steven Lunde Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Fw: Fall S Fest
Only four weeks, that's right, only four weeks until this year's Fall S Fest
hosted by the Badgerland S Gaugers.  The 37th Annual Fall S Fest will be held at
the Marriott Milwaukee West Hotel in Waukesha, Wisconsin, on November 2nd thru
4th.  The Hotel is offering a great rate of just $85/night. 

The tradition continues with buying, selling and swapping S gauge trains.  There
are clinics, tours, train races and other activities.  And don't forget about
the banquet on Saturday evening.  There will be a great dinner followed by a
great speaker and auction.  This year's speaker is Bob Ristow, and his topic is
"How long does it take to build a steam locomotive".  This is a very interesting
presentation and Bob has presented it at the Henry Ford Museum.

The Annual S Fest car is a Soo Line gondola manufactured by S Scale America. 
The gondola comes loaded with 10 Drop Bottom containers. 


For more information along with registration and car order forms, please
visit our web site:  www.trainweb.org/bsg

or contact:      Steve Lunde, S Fest Chairman, Phone:  262-574-1086, e mail: 
ace5348@...

                      Roy Meissner, Registrar, Phone:  262-538-4325, e mail: 
rmeissner@...

Don't miss out on a great time, see old friends and make new ones.  Hope to see
you all soon.

Sincerely,

Steve Lunde
Chairman 2012 Fall S Fest

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70590 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: Billboard whistle
Billboard whistles can be vexing--kinda surprising, since there's no reverse
unit to mess with! The motor sit in a vertical position, though, not nearly
horizontal as it is in the locomotives, so wear is different on it. The
spacer washers on the armature shaft are critical here--you want the
commutator to not be rubbing on the brush tubes AND you want the impeller to
not be rubbing on the whistle box, nor riding on the bearing in the box
either. So check these points, and also make certain the whistle box is
sealed all around the seam, as small leaks here will greatly effect the
whistle volume. Also check for the impeller being loose on the motor
shaft--it happens! Another big point is to power it with a large enough
transformer! If you have a 35 watt transformer that is also running other
stuff, you probably don't have enough power to the billboard. Now that I
mention that, be certain to use a large enough wire too; I wouldn't use
anything smaller than 20 gauge, and larger if you have to go a long
distance. OTOH, I tend to go overboard on wire sizes--the smallest wires in
my house wiring are 12 gauge, no 14 for me! (for those that don't know,
usually lighting wiring with a 15 amp breaker in a house is 14 gauge).
Hope this helps keep the grade crossings clear--WHOOO-WHOOO-who-WHOOO!
:)
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70591 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Whistling Billboard Video
As promised, I have uploaded a very short video with sound!!! of the
Whistling Billboard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vyaJr6kHo
Enjoy!

Bill

--
Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us
Group: S-Trains Message: 70592 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: Billboard whistle
Some may consider this heresy, but if all else fails a modern replacement might be available Lionel has modern production, postwar style whistle tenders that use a can motor and electronic relay. The mechanism from one of those (sold as seperate-sale and in sets) might work. We have a Lionel Christmas set with one and it produces the classic whistle sound without the grinding.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: djdewey@...
Sent: Fri Oct 05 12:26:50 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains Yahoo Group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Billboard whistle




Billboard whistles can be vexing--kinda surprising, since there's no reverse
unit to mess with! The motor sit in a vertical position, though, not nearly
horizontal as it is in the locomotives, so wear is different on it. The
spacer washers on the armature shaft are critical here--you want the
commutator to not be rubbing on the brush tubes AND you want the impeller to
not be rubbing on the whistle box, nor riding on the bearing in the box
either. So check these points, and also make certain the whistle box is
sealed all around the seam, as small leaks here will greatly effect the
whistle volume. Also check for the impeller being loose on the motor
shaft--it happens! Another big point is to power it with a large enough
transformer! If you have a 35 watt transformer that is also running other
stuff, you probably don't have enough power to the billboard. Now that I
mention that, be certain to use a large enough wire too; I wouldn't use
anything smaller than 20 gauge, and larger if you have to go a long
distance. OTOH, I tend to go overboard on wire sizes--the smallest wires in
my house wiring are 12 gauge, no 14 for me! (for those that don't know,
usually lighting wiring with a 15 amp breaker in a house is 14 gauge).
Hope this helps keep the grade crossings clear--WHOOO-WHOOO-who-WHOOO!
:)
S'
David D.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70593 From: afjeff_56 Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: River City Toy Train Meet (in Sacramento, Ca.)
Yes lots of S Gauge!!!

The River City Toy Train Meet, is coming to the Scottish Rite Center on Saturday, October 6 2012. See and buy toy trains from the past and present along with parts, accessories, and toy train related items.
of operating toy train layouts and displays for the entire family to enjoy...

River City Toy Train Meet
Saturday, October 6 2012
10 AM to 3 PM

Scottish Rite Center

6151 H Street, Sacramento, Ca. 95819

Single $5.00, Families $9.00, Children under 12 Free with Adult

Free Parking


http://www.ttos-sv.org/Events.htm
Group: S-Trains Message: 70594 From: Ben Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: Early "AF" circus wagons repros available now!
Joe-

With all due respect (and you know I have enjoyed working with you for many years- appreciating the work that all of the major AF parts vendors have put into keeping he hobby alive!)- I approached all four of the major vendors several Yorks ago asking that a run of wagons and trucks be done in the early colors. This would have been "easy" because you already had the molds. None of you agreed there was enough market to do another regular run, much less one with the early yellow, green, and baby blue color schemes.

If the 3 different sets in inventory that you speak of consist of dark blue and red cages with yellow animals and green trucks with green wheels, they are just too common. Diane made all new molds to represent the specific uniqueness of the pre-production toys that Gilbert used on the prototype circus train as seen at the Flyer Nut meeting a few years ago. They are much more colorful, fun, and toy like than the production colors. Conversely, I am sure there will be plenty of collectors who wish to finish off their circus sets with the production colors, so the market for your reproductions is still very viable.

I am sure Diane does not expect that her wagons and trucks will continue to bring as much as the first ones sold on eBay did. On the other hand, I have never seen early originals as cheap as those sold for, even if other members have.

I hope she does very well with her venture because, like I have said so many times before, she is filling a void of the early colored circus equipment in many of our collections. I can't wait until York so that I can see them in person.

Ben


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote:
>
> Excellent reproductions of 3 different sets of 2 circus cages with tractor are readily available from reputable parts dealers for $60 a set. Doug Peck Portlines), Fred Jester, Bill Parr and I stuck our necks out advancing the production cost and had 3000 of these made over a year ago. Daves Twcks and Twains (the successor to Joe's Train Repair) now has my stock of these.
>  
> Joe
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70595 From: Doug Peck Date: 10/6/2012
Subject: Re: Early "AF" circus wagons repros available now!
<<< I approached all four of the major vendors several Yorks ago asking
that a run of wagons and trucks be done in the early colors. This would
have been "easy" because you already had the molds. None of you agreed
there was enough market to do another regular run, much less one with
the early yellow, green, and baby blue color schemes.>>>



Ben,

That's not QUITE what I said. At the time, I did express some interest
in this, and I did follow up on it and reported back to you. The problem
was that the owner of the molds was not willing to do short runs of
alternate color parts for us. He would only do a full-quantity run. I
solicited interest from the other parts dealers (more than just the ones
Joe mentioned) to see how many they might be willing to commit to. We
simply could not even come close to a minimum run commitment, and the
idea was dropped. I guess that's the problem when tooling is owned by
the injection company, rather than one of us......they set the rules !
"WE" did not already have the molds, nor control of them.



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM
(EST) only.
978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 70596 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/6/2012
Subject: Project Atlantic Part Two posted
Chuck Harrington has posted the second part of the Stumpy's Station "Project Atlantic" series on his "My Flyer Trains" website (myflyertrains.org)

In this part, we take that recently purchased locomotive apart and look inside. You'd be surprised at the crud and damage you can often find in a fifty year old toy locomotive! And there's no point spending the time and effort to do a kit bash if the locomotive doesn't run as good as it will look!

Next month the actual cosmetic changes begin, so you'll want to have that lowly Atlantic ready to "come to the Dark Side!" :-)
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70597 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/7/2012
Subject: Another option for Billboard whistle
It is easy to replace the grinding motor with a "modern"can motor in the
existing billboad.It works very well and the motor is quiet, leaving just the
whistle sound. I have done a few and they are out there. maybe someone on
this list could verify.
Steve
SnS Trains....Boise


In a message dated 10/5/2012 5:59:37 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
brady@... writes:




Some may consider this heresy, but if all else fails a modern replacement
might be available Lionel has modern production, postwar style whistle
tenders that use a can motor and electronic relay. The mechanism from one of
those (sold as seperate-sale and in sets) might work. We have a Lionel
Christmas set with one and it produces the classic whistle sound without the
grinding.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire

_____________________________________________
From: _djdewey@..._ (mailto:djdewey@...)
Sent: Fri Oct 05 12:26:50 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains Yahoo Group <_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) >
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Billboard whistle

Billboard whistles can be vexing--kinda surprising, since there's no
reverse
unit to mess with! The motor sit in a vertical position, though, not
nearly
horizontal as it is in the locomotives, so wear is different on it. The
spacer washers on the armature shaft are critical here--you want the
commutator to not be rubbing on the brush tubes AND you want the impeller
to
not be rubbing on the whistle box, nor riding on the bearing in the box
either. So check these points, and also make certain the whistle box is
sealed all around the seam, as small leaks here will greatly effect the
whistle volume. Also check for the impeller being loose on the motor
shaft--it happens! Another big point is to power it with a large enough
transformer! If you have a 35 watt transformer that is also running other
stuff, you probably don't have enough power to the billboard. Now that I
mention that, be certain to use a large enough wire too; I wouldn't use
anything smaller than 20 gauge, and larger if you have to go a long
distance. OTOH, I tend to go overboard on wire sizes--the smallest wires
in
my house wiring are 12 gauge, no 14 for me! (for those that don't know,
usually lighting wiring with a 15 amp breaker in a house is 14 gauge).
Hope this helps keep the grade crossings clear--WHOOO-WHOOO-who-WHOOO!
:)
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70598 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/7/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale: Gilbert 4730A freight set with 342AC 0-8-0 Switcher
The 715 AFL Unloading car is now working and I found a button for it.  I am bidding on an ebay auction that includes a 712 Automatic Track Rail and 690 Track Terminal to complete the set.  I plan to get pictures of the set loaded onto TheGilbertGallery.org Monday or Tuesday.




________________________________
From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
To: s-trains list <s-trains@...>; Sgauge Available <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 8:51 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: Gilbert 4730A freight set with 342AC 0-8-0 Switcher


 
For
reference purposes, I show 2012 TM Guide book
values(adjusted for
condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices.Make offer.

4730A Nickel
Plate Switcher Set in C-6 condition
overall, comprising:

342AC Nickel
Plate 0-8-0 Switcher. E-unit cycles reliably and engine runs
forward and reverse. Smokes very well. Headlight and tender light
work. Weak C-7. $250.00

715 AFL Unloading car. Armored Car load is missing. Numerous paint
chips. The metal pickup wheels are on the same side as the pickup
arm. No button or pickup rail. The mechanism doesn't work; tomorrow
I'll see if I can figure out how to fix it. C-4. $9.00

634
C&NW Floodlight-Yellow. Replaced missing Lens. Replaced missing
brake wheel. Replaced small bulb with a large one that works. Light &
platform scratched. I cleaned car and wheels. C-5/C-6. $18.00

631
unpainted T&P Green Gondola. C-7 $14.00

630
Reading Caboose. Red w/sheet metal frame in P-4 box. C-6/C-7. $17.00

3
702 Curved Track Rust on ties; small, cleanable rust spots on rails.
C-5/C-6 $1.50

9
702 Curved Track. Rust on ties; none on rails. C-6 $5.40

4
700 Straight Track. Almost rust-free; can be cleaned to rust-free.
C-6/C-7 $7.60

706
Remote Control Uncoupler. Tested and it works using the button; late
black button. C-5/C-6 $2.00

14
693 Track Locks in their original bag significant rust. C-5/C-6 $6.00

Locomotive
and all cars have original black weight couplers made in 1949-1953.
There are no boxes except for the 630 caboose. There is no
paperwork.

Total
value $331.00. Make offer.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70599 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/7/2012
Subject: Hallmark 1936 Fire Engine
I picked one of these up today, not sure if it's 1/64 but it looks right. Very detailed.

http://www.hallmark.com/products/christmas/keepsake-ornaments/1936-ford-fire-engine-1995QX8204_DK/

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70600 From: Charles Hancock Date: 10/7/2012
Subject: 302 Boiler Front
Thanks to all for the "tips" on tightening the boiler front!
Best wishes,
Charlie in W MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 70601 From: Don Thompson Date: 10/8/2012
Subject: Re: Pre-York Sale
Robin asked me to extend the York sale to our internet friends who will not be attending. The sale runs now until Nov 17th, but many items are selling out and will not be available after York. The website is current and we would ask that you use that for your orders. The sale will be mentioned on the website but not on the checkout page. We take the discounts here as it would be too difficult for our webmaster to change every price on our site for the sale. Please put in the comments box of the check out page "York Sale"....
Here are the details....
1. hoppers and cabooses - 5 for $100
2. hoppers and cabooses sealed cases(case of 12 of the same item) - $200 each
3. 2-8-0s (on AF comp either DCC or LM sound) - 30% off, only 5 are now left
4. Track - 30% off including R/C switches which are now in stock, Minimum net order $100 and can be combined with other items
5. Parts - 30% Minimum net order $100 and can be combined with other items.

http://stacktalk.com/
Group: S-Trains Message: 70602 From: rapidrail1 Date: 10/8/2012
Subject: Re: Hallmark 1936 Fire Engine
I passed on this so far, even though the first fire department I ever worked for had a 1936 pumper in reserve service even into the 1970s. I think they actually just kept it for parades. But it looked good.

This one looks good too, and I too think it is close to 1/64th. I have bought all of the previous Hallmark fire trucks, but this one they got cheap and have no blinking light on it. Yet it sells for the same price. At least the siren does not face backwards like last years issue. If the stores around here still have some at half price at Christmas, I may buy one then.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
>
> I picked one of these up today, not sure if it's 1/64 but it looks right. Very detailed.
>
> http://www.hallmark.com/products/christmas/keepsake-ornaments/1936-ford-fire-engine-1995QX8204_DK/
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70603 From: johntech Date: 10/8/2012
Subject: Speeder Progress
I just checked with Gerry Siegel on the speeder for S gauge. The last I talked to him was almost a year ago.
Below was his reply last week!


----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald and Carolyn Siegel
To: johntech
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: Speeder Progress


John,
Thanks for asking. We are getting much closer on the O version. We have completely redone the chassis to get a lower profile. I want the look of the typical Fairmont. The first master I did missed the goal completely, way too high. The latest looks very good and we are now working on the body. It looks like the model will have a removeable roof to access to the interior.
If I had to guess the O should be ready by the end of the year and the S several months thereafter.
The speeder is now at the head of the queue for product development.
More as we progress, please feel free to check up on me as ofeten as you like.
Thanks again and regards,
Gerry

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70604 From: John Metzger Date: 10/8/2012
Subject: Re: Speeder Progress
Is there a list one can get on to order a S gauge Speeder?  I would like to be on that list. Thanks,  JOHN METZGER  johnm_63379@...   


From: johntech <beebear@...>
To: Undisclosed-Recipient@...
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 11:54 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Speeder Progress

 
I just checked with Gerry Siegel on the speeder for S gauge. The last I talked to him was almost a year ago.
Below was his reply last week!

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald and Carolyn Siegel
To: johntech
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: Speeder Progress

John,
Thanks for asking. We are getting much closer on the O version. We have completely redone the chassis to get a lower profile. I want the look of the typical Fairmont. The first master I did missed the goal completely, way too high. The latest looks very good and we are now working on the body. It looks like the model will have a removeable roof to access to the interior.
If I had to guess the O should be ready by the end of the year and the S several months thereafter.
The speeder is now at the head of the queue for product development.
More as we progress, please feel free to check up on me as ofeten as you like.
Thanks again and regards,
Gerry

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70605 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/8/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale: Gilbert 4730A freight set with 342AC 0-8-0 Switcher
The pictures are now online:

http://thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_sets.html


________________________________
From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; Sgauge Available <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] For Sale: Gilbert 4730A freight set with 342AC 0-8-0 Switcher


 
The 715 AFL Unloading car is now working and I found a button for it.  I am bidding on an ebay auction that includes a 712 Automatic Track Rail and 690 Track Terminal to complete the set.  I plan to get pictures of the set loaded onto TheGilbertGallery.org Monday or Tuesday.

________________________________
From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
To: s-trains list <s-trains@...>; Sgauge Available <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 8:51 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: Gilbert 4730A freight set with 342AC 0-8-0 Switcher


 
For
reference purposes, I show 2012 TM Guide book
values(adjusted for
condition), but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices.Make offer.

4730A Nickel
Plate Switcher Set in C-6 condition
overall, comprising:

342AC Nickel
Plate 0-8-0 Switcher. E-unit cycles reliably and engine runs
forward and reverse. Smokes very well. Headlight and tender light
work. Weak C-7. $250.00

715 AFL Unloading car. Armored Car load is missing. Numerous paint
chips. The metal pickup wheels are on the same side as the pickup
arm. No button or pickup rail. The mechanism doesn't work; tomorrow
I'll see if I can figure out how to fix it. C-4. $9.00

634
C&NW Floodlight-Yellow. Replaced missing Lens. Replaced missing
brake wheel. Replaced small bulb with a large one that works. Light &
platform scratched. I cleaned car and wheels. C-5/C-6. $18.00

631
unpainted T&P Green Gondola. C-7 $14.00

630
Reading Caboose. Red w/sheet metal frame in P-4 box. C-6/C-7. $17.00

3
702 Curved Track Rust on ties; small, cleanable rust spots on rails.
C-5/C-6 $1.50

9
702 Curved Track. Rust on ties; none on rails. C-6 $5.40

4
700 Straight Track. Almost rust-free; can be cleaned to rust-free.
C-6/C-7 $7.60

706
Remote Control Uncoupler. Tested and it works using the button; late
black button. C-5/C-6 $2.00

14
693 Track Locks in their original bag significant rust. C-5/C-6 $6.00

Locomotive
and all cars have original black weight couplers made in 1949-1953.
There are no boxes except for the 630 caboose. There is no
paperwork.

Total
value $331.00. Make offer.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70606 From: johntech Date: 10/8/2012
Subject: Re: Speeder Progress
As far as I know there isn't a list as of yet. I will post info as I get it

John Frankforther
----- Original Message -----
From: John Metzger
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: John Metzger
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Speeder Progress



Is there a list one can get on to order a S gauge Speeder? I would like to be on that list. Thanks, JOHN METZGER johnm_63379@...

From: johntech <beebear@...>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70607 From: Al Baker Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: See my custom PRR RailCar
I just posted pictures of my latest project: a PRR RailCar - MotorCoach. Pictures are at the end of my album 'Al Baker's Custom S Locomotives' http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1591614397/pic/list

I bought the K-Line body at the NASG Convention in Sacramento. Trucks are rebuilt AF 355 Baldwin with a SnS Can Motor. So of course, this runs DC, and it runs good. Pilot from an AF 302. Lots of other detail added. There is a lot of hours work in this baby!

It is made to resemble a PRR Brill RailCar, which were gas-electric. So it does resemble, but is not 100% prototypically correct.

It looks great by itself, but since it is K-Line, it is a bit out of scale - simlar to other K-Line products.

I plan to take it to S-Fest for the model contest - you can see it there!

Al Baker
Portland, OR
Group: S-Trains Message: 70608 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: RE;Custom PRR Rail Car
Al, I'm "Tuscan with envy." Great job, and an excellent addition to your growing and impressive collection of customized locomotives! And don't worry too much about scale and prototype fidelity, it looks real good.

If you're not modeling to "Fine Scale" I think that creating a miniature world that is "close enough" is just fine. After all, Hollywood has been doing it for years, and often one movie with full size sets which are "close enough" makes more money than most of us can earn in several lifetimes!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70609 From: Thomas Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: American Flyer Reapir Guide
I believe some of you have my new "Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Operating and Repair Guide." I want to point out that there is a companion video which shows some of the more common and possibly complex issues that mere words and pictures in a book can't describe. I have posted that video on my personal web site and it is free for anyone to watch.

Here is a "review" by an AF operator who watched the video:

Excellent Video, liked the Ohming Demo and Armature Repair. I would never have considering doing that until this Video, the Angel Hair install was enlightening. I have set the hair in first then tried to solder the nichome wire, always a tough job, plus the ohming of the wire, just a great informative video. Anyone can repair Flyer as you show but you need to know the tricks. I am going to buy three pairs of tweezers, had no idea they would help so much in the small bits handling and positioning, Wonderful job Tom, just so valuable to anyone with flyer.

Here is the URL: http://tombarker.net/TomBarkerWebsite/Repair_Clinic_Movie.html

If you still do not have the new book, here is the link to Amazon where it is available:

http://www.amazon.com/Gilbert-American-Operating-Repair-Volume/dp/1466420715/ref=pd_sim_b_10
Group: S-Trains Message: 70610 From: David Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: Bobber Caboose (Advertisement)
We along with JOHN'S TRAINS of Ohio are considering producing a bobber
caboose for hi-rail. Basically it will be simular to the photo in our
album here at the following link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/p\
ic/869946815/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=as\
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/\
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sc>

Is anyone here interested?

LBR



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70611 From: Robert Boring Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: Re: See my custom PRR RailCar
Hi Al,

Nice job on the rail car. I just took another look at your album. You have been busy!!! Great work.

Bob Boring
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Baker
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 9:47 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] See my custom PRR RailCar



I just posted pictures of my latest project: a PRR RailCar - MotorCoach. Pictures are at the end of my album 'Al Baker's Custom S Locomotives' http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1591614397/pic/list

I bought the K-Line body at the NASG Convention in Sacramento. Trucks are rebuilt AF 355 Baldwin with a SnS Can Motor. So of course, this runs DC, and it runs good. Pilot from an AF 302. Lots of other detail added. There is a lot of hours work in this baby!

It is made to resemble a PRR Brill RailCar, which were gas-electric. So it does resemble, but is not 100% prototypically correct.

It looks great by itself, but since it is K-Line, it is a bit out of scale - simlar to other K-Line products.

I plan to take it to S-Fest for the model contest - you can see it there!

Al Baker
Portland, OR





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70612 From: Gregg Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: LTI/ AF For Sale
I am helping a friend sell his AF trains.

Listed below are the LTI/AF pieces with conservative pricing but make an offer if interested.

GP 20 Chessie System Diesel Engine 4-8459 $250
GP 9 Southern Diesel Engine 4-8458 $180
Erie Combo Car 4-9504 \
Erie Pullman Car 4-9505 $225 for set of 4 cars
Erie Vistadome Car 4-9506 /
Erie Observation Car 4-9507 /
Southern Gondola Car 4-9303 $20
BN Gondola car (2) 4-9300 $20
NYC Boxcar 4-9713 $35
Chessie Caboose 4 9400 $25

All are LN/C-8 condition, boxes range from LN/P-8 to VG/P-6

I can provide pictures if needed.

Please contact me off-list or call.

I will be posting the Gilbert Flyer in the near future.

Thanks
Gregg
amflyer336@...
716/866-2989
585/655-3127
Group: S-Trains Message: 70613 From: rlrstation Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: Universal Rail Bender for SECTIONAL TRACK
To All Interested:

I make what I call a "Universal Rail Bender" for SECTIONAL TRACK. This device will handle O27, O31, Super-O, Standard,
AF-S, G gauge(code332), T-Rail and MTH ScaleTrax(code193)rail profiles via changing Profiled Sleeves. The biggest
disadvantage is you must disassemble the sectional track. But that allows you to clean and repair the rails and ties. Any
radius is now possible ! You can even make straight track from curved track. Curved track can be recurved to a smaller or larger radius.
As an example the rails of a common O27 curve(45°) can be recurved to a 72 diameter(15° section) plus a small amount
of trimming. It will require 24 O27 sections to make the 72" diameter circle.
Once you have curved the rails simply reassemble the track and trim the rails as necessary. I provide a manual that contains
the instructions for each of the rail profiles, templates of the curved rails and their dimensions and a list of
recommended tools.
The device is a 3 roll ball bearing unit with interchangeable sleeves, hand operated and can be hand held or vise mounted.
I will be at the York meet in October 18, 19 & 20 in Silver Hall - Table Z-9.
Please contact me at the meet or off list if interested at RLRAUB@... .
Dick Reichard (TCA76-9747)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70614 From: Bill Lane Date: 10/10/2012
Subject: My S Scale PRR A5 - The Little Engine that Could
This is my latest YouTube clip http://tinyurl.com/9fx2j62 showing very 1
small locomotive pulling a very long train. There are no video tricks or
editing - what you see is what you get. Some things are possible in S Scale
because of mass. It is not even slipping as it passes the camera but this is
about its limit on my layout. I did have to bunch up the coupler slack to
get it started though - just like the real A5. So what if the real A5 was
only good for pulling about 15 cars, mine pulled 50! Watch for 2 very
special PRSL hoppers at the end of the train. (:->) Enjoy!





Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
<http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!



See my layout progess at:

<http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm>
http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

Custom Train Parts Design
<http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm>
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
<http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls>
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
<http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com
<http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf>
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70615 From: Kyle Russell Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose (Advertisement)
Yes

Kyle
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of David
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:05 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Bobber Caboose (Advertisement)




We along with JOHN'S TRAINS of Ohio are considering producing a bobber
caboose for hi-rail. Basically it will be simular to the photo in our
album here at the following link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/p\
ic/869946815/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=as\
c
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/\
pic/869946815/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=a\
sc>

Is anyone here interested?

LBR

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70616 From: rapidrail1 Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose (Advertisement)
Dave,

Do you plan to do running gear for this car also?

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> We along with JOHN'S TRAINS of Ohio are considering producing a bobber
> caboose for hi-rail. Basically it will be simular to the photo in our
> album here at the following link:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/p\
> ic/869946815/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=as\
> c
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/\
> pic/869946815/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=a\
> sc>
>
> Is anyone here interested?
>
> LBR
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70617 From: ken garber Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: Re: Bobber Cabeese
Can you post the pictures somewhere else? It wants me to join that group.
Ken
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:01 AM, <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> 3. Bobber Caboose (Advertisement)
> Posted by: "David" reujan2000@... reujan2000
> Date: Tue Oct 9, 2012 7:49 am ((PDT))
>
>
> We along with JOHN'S TRAINS of Ohio are considering producing a bobber
> caboose for hi-rail. Basically it will be simular to the photo in our
> album here at the following link:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/p\
> ic/869946815/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=as\<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/p\ic/869946815/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=as\>
> c
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/\
> pic/869946815/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=a\<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/\pic/869946815/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=a\>
> sc>
>
> Is anyone here interested?
>
> LBR
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70618 From: Scott Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: Armatures and Paint
Hey,
I have been trying to locate someone who rewinds armatures. I have several armatures that I am looking to give to someone (As long as they pay shipping) just to clean up around my shop a little. If anyone is interested in these bad armatures, please contact me via email, scottmmiller1@....

On another note, I have been working on a 372 Geep. The problem is that it has chips out of the gray paint, and I have struggled to find a match for it. I was wondering if someone else has had better luck than me? Any answers can also be sent to my email scottmmiller1@.... Thanks.

Sincerely,
Scott Miller
Group: S-Trains Message: 70619 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: Re: Bobber Cabeese
I have not been able to access any Yahoo groups "files" I DO belong to for
years. Every attempt to contact Yahoo fails, anyone have any ideas?????



In a message dated 10/11/2012 11:48:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
garber.ken@... writes:

Can you post the pictures somewhere else? It wants me to join that group.
Ken
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:01 AM, <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> 3. Bobber Caboose (Advertisement)
> Posted by: "David" reujan2000@... reujan2000
> Date: Tue Oct 9, 2012 7:49 am ((PDT))
>
>
> We along with JOHN'S TRAINS of Ohio are considering producing a bobber
> caboose for hi-rail. Basically it will be simular to the photo in our
> album here at the following link:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/p\
>
ic/869946815/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=as\<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/p\ic
/869946815/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=as\>
> c
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/\
>
pic/869946815/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=a\<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/\pic
/869946815/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=a\>
> sc>
>
> Is anyone here interested?
>
> LBR
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70620 From: Timboy Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: Layout Torn Down
Hello,

Ever wonder what a large basement train room with the layout torn down and all boxed up and with the table lumber neatly stacked looks like? Here is a link to mine:

http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2012/10/torn-down.html

I have some outside work to get done before cold weather sets in. When it's does, I'll start building another layout. In a previous post, I mentioned the Sibley Department store layout. Now I'm not so sure. At 8X16, even that seems too large right now. I want something more compact that is fun to run. Maybe something smaller, like 6X12. Any ideas?

Thanks,
Tim
Group: S-Trains Message: 70621 From: nightshift.geo Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: 1/64 Scale Diorama
.....for those who may be interested, I put up for sale on E Bay a scratchbuilt detailed diorama, 30"x20" ,vintage garage/junk yard/ storage lot. item #221138634314.
Ron H.
NightshiftArt
nightshift.geo@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 70622 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose (Advertisement)
YES

--- On Thu, 10/11/12, rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...> wrote:


From: rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Bobber Caboose (Advertisement)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 10:46 AM



 



Dave,

Do you plan to do running gear for this car also?

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> We along with JOHN'S TRAINS of Ohio are considering producing a bobber
> caboose for hi-rail. Basically it will be simular to the photo in our
> album here at the following link:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/p\
> ic/869946815/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=as\
> c
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/\
> pic/869946815/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=a\
> sc>
>
> Is anyone here interested?
>
> LBR
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>








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Group: S-Trains Message: 70623 From: Gale Hall Date: 10/11/2012
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} Walthers catalogs
----- Original Message -----
From: Gale Hall
To: S Scale List
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:23 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Walthers catalogs




Evening list,

Does anyone on the list have any Walthers catalogs from the late 60's and 70's. Please contact off list, if you have them handy I need to check an item description.. maybe the O gauge catalog too

thanks

gale hall



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70624 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Layout Torn Down
Tim,

There are a lot of classic display layouts in 8x8, 6x8, and 5x9, but
they are designed for unattended operation and usually consist of 2-3
separated loops and I know that is not your style. Operationally they
are not all that interesting.

I think the Billi Bowen Layout, that was the basis of all the big store
displays, FAO Schwarz, Sibley, Jordan Marsh and the Boys Railroad Club
is what I consider the utltimate display layout. All these layouts
varied somewhat in size but were all basically the same track plan.
The Sibley layout was on the smaller side at 7x16, but why not see if
you can condense it even more. It would require a redesign of the over
under figure 8 and steeper grades, but I am sure you could get it down
to 12 feet long. Keeping it at a 7 foot width would be nice to keep
the wide curves. This would give you the operational possibilities of
this great track plan, but keep the size to 7x12. I think you would
find it a lot more interesting than recreating one of the stock display
layouts.

Dale


On 10/11/2012 11:09 AM, Timboy wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Ever wonder what a large basement train room with the layout torn down
> and all boxed up and with the table lumber neatly stacked looks like?
> Here is a link to mine:
>
> http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2012/10/torn-down.html
>
> I have some outside work to get done before cold weather sets in. When
> it's does, I'll start building another layout. In a previous post, I
> mentioned the Sibley Department store layout. Now I'm not so sure. At
> 8X16, even that seems too large right now. I want something more
> compact that is fun to run. Maybe something smaller, like 6X12. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70625 From: Randall Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Tool to repair traditional AF track ties
Some time back, someone offered a tool that fit inside (underneath) the metal tie on traditional AF track. Does anyone remember who offered it, and is it still available?

Regards, Randy Griggs
Group: S-Trains Message: 70626 From: rick gough Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Layout Torn Down
I kinda had a feeling that once all the fabrication was done, you might get bored with just watching trains putt around and thru the mountains. I have a roughly 8X16 dogleg type layout and it incorporates all operating accessories, 2 lines and 20 switches. For me it is perfect but I would not want to go much smaller, though I did have lots of fun with only 6X7 in a previous life....

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

--- On Thu, 10/11/12, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote:


From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Layout Torn Down
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 11:38 AM



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70627 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: (no subject)
Armature rewinding Robert Hannon
http//www.trainsrefs.com He has wound several for me,
They look just like the factory, except they are wound with the
correct wire and resistance

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70628 From: Thomas Barker Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Layout Torn Down
Tim,

I grew up with the Sibley's Layout. That's where my 302AC set came from. Please build it!

My layout is 6 by 14, has 2 levels and can run 3 trains at once with all loops interconnected.

I'l post some pictures of it.

Tom Barker
Group: S-Trains Message: 70629 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Layout torn down
Ah, that empty basement space looks inviting! I have the same problem as yourself and many others, once I've had a layout finished for a time, I lose interest and start thinking about changes or a new layout.

The problem is that there is no such thing as "the perfect layout." One with plenty of running room and operation. Sooner or later you will tire of it, no matter how big, and make changes or tear it down.

A layout so big that it can contain all your running and operating ideas is usually so big that maintaining it takes more time than operating it! It becomes "the monster in the basement" and drives you to thinking about tearing it down, or you just don't go downstairs to face it anymore, and the dust and cobwebs take over.

The only guy that I ever knew who conquered this built an HO modular type layout around his space. As he got tired of it, he would build new modules and replace sections of the railroad. That way it NEVER got old! But such a radical idea is not for everyone.

After building over 35 layouts for myself and with several friends and a club, I know better than to recommend a certain track plan. Model railroads are as individual as their owners and the space permitted. The Sibley layout is a good one, but I would tell you to use it as a starting point, not a firm final design.

Whatever you decide will be of interest to all of us, so as you did with the previous railroad, please keep us informed.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70630 From: rapidrail1 Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Bobber Caboose (Advertisement)
Than yes. Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:
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> YES
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> --- On Thu, 10/11/12, rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...> wrote:
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> From: rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Bobber Caboose (Advertisement)
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 10:46 AM
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> Dave,
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> Do you plan to do running gear for this car also?
>
> Wayne
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > We along with JOHN'S TRAINS of Ohio are considering producing a bobber
> > caboose for hi-rail. Basically it will be simular to the photo in our
> > album here at the following link:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/p\
> > ic/869946815/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=as\
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> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/photos/album/1019726384/\
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> > Is anyone here interested?
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70631 From: Doug Peck Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Tool to repair traditional AF track ties
<<<Some time back, someone offered a tool that fit inside (underneath)
the metal tie on traditional AF track. Does anyone remember who offered
it, and is it still available?>>>



We carry those. You'll find it on the TOOLS page of our website.



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
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Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
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(EST) only.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70632 From: Brady Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Tool to repair traditional AF track ties
I think Port Lines sells it

http://www.portlines.com/

Brady



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Randall" <rlgriggs@...> wrote:
>
> Some time back, someone offered a tool that fit inside (underneath) the metal tie on traditional AF track. Does anyone remember who offered it, and is it still available?
>
> Regards, Randy Griggs
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70633 From: Timboy Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Thanks everyone! I am getting some renewed interest in building a display layout that is as close to the Sibley as I can make it.

Dale, I couldn't agree more. The layout has to have some size to it or it just would not be very interesting for very long.

Rick - you are right. I got bored with it and it fell into dis-use.

Tom, you have probably forgotten more than I will ever know!

Stumpy. Bullseye!

So here is my dilemma: yes, I would like the 7X16 layout - but I don't want a monster down there that will someday be a chore to tear down. Been there. Done that - and I'm not getting any younger! I believe the question for me is, how do I build it so that it will be relatively simple someday to tear down? I have a few thoughts. I'm a fair carpenter - as a hobby. Instead of lugging four sheets of plywood down there, I might have another way. I have a large stack of 2X3 lumber from all the previous benchwork that I may as well try to use up. I could easily build the benchwork by screwing some of it together - just like last time. That is simple enough to do and it un-builds very easily. Instead of a plywood top, I am thinking of re-sawing and planing 2X3's down to 3/4" thickness and making a top out of them, each one screwed down to the 2X3 benchwork. The trick there is to use corner braces so that the whole table will be square and won't rack. But, when it's time to tear it down, I don't have sheets of plywood to deal with. Instead, I'll have bundles of slats to dispose of. True, I'll still have four sheets of a Homosote-like material to dispose of some day, but that is easy to break down. I couldn't help notice on the Sibley that the two principle mountains look like they were made off of the layout and simply put into place on top of the layout. I'll do the same. I can't justify buying a new track and switch system, so like the original, it will be vintage - which I have plenty of. I can't buy rubber roadbed and even if I could, it wouldn't work on the stretched-out curves. So, I'll want to ballast the track instead. But I don't want to glue it down because vintage track and glue/water don't mix. I guess it will be okay loose. It was on my old layout. I wonder if NMRA-standard modules would work. If I could build it like that, it could conceivable be moved someday if necessary.

Do you see where I'm going with all this? It would be based upon the Sibley layout, but it would not be a carbon copy. Actually, in some ways, it might be better!

Now is the time for me to mentally build it, so when the weather gets cold, I'll have a plan.

Thanks again!
Tim
Group: S-Trains Message: 70634 From: Robert Conner Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
TIM...... I too am about to start all over.... I have enough Rubber for a layout so I am going to stick with the old stuff...... I think the rubber curve sections can be bent just a little to increase the radius..... Maybe heat will make it move????.... Or cut sections..... Or???? Then rebend the track and lay it back in the slots???? Ideas..... My room size is 9.-4" x 13'-4"..... I plan on 2'-8" shelf all around with a bridge in on corner..... lower left...... Any layout ideas?.....Bob








 


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70635 From: Donald Keil Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Layout Torn Down
Tim
I like to see the Pictures of the layout
Don


________________________________
From: Thomas Barker <tbbeqa@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 9:12 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Layout Torn Down


 
Tim,

I grew up with the Sibley's Layout. That's where my 302AC set came from. Please build it!

My layout is 6 by 14, has 2 levels and can run 3 trains at once with all loops interconnected.

I'l post some pictures of it.

Tom Barker



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70636 From: Gregg Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: ACG Flyer For Sale
Here is the list of Gilbert Flyer that I am selling for a friend.

Stockyard (LN) and Car operating cattle car (VG) 771 & 976 $140 (complete with cattle and button)

Beacon (G) 769? $20 (complete, but platform has been glued)

Mystic Station & w/ crane (G) 612 $50 (missing windows, needs cleaning)

Pacific steam engine & Caboose 282/290 w/ 638 $40
(290 boiler shell (re-painted?), CNW tender shell w/ coal pusher, converted knuckle couplers, runs. + caboose + 282 shell w/ broken mounting holes)

Highway Flasher (EX) 760 $20
Transformer (EX) 1A $5
Caboose (LN) 930 $35 (w/ original box)
Transformer (LN) 22040 $30 (w/ original box)
Remote Uncoupler 706 $3 w/ button
Pennsy Gondola Car (VG) 805 $14
Rocket Launcher Car (VG) 969 $50 (w/ rocket)
Switches (EX) 720A $40 w/ controller
90 degree crossing 725 $8
2 - 36" straight track K-Line $8 each
2 - half curved Flyer $1 each
bumper 730 $15
manual uncoupler 704 $2
2 - K-Line 27" radius curves $2 each

Add postage.

Prices negotiable.

I can provide pictures if needed.

Please contact me off-list or call. Some of the LTI items I previously posted are still available also.

Thanks
Gregg
amflyer336@yahoo. com
716/866-2989
585/655-3127
Group: S-Trains Message: 70637 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Tim,

Besides the mountain, you could do other parts of the scenery at the workbench as plots, mounted on masonite. I did this a few layouts back and it worked well.

For example, masonite plots for houses can be painted with a concrete color and masked for gluing on grass/ground cover, the tape covering the front sidewalk, driveway, etc.. Install the house. Paint a street on the layout surface, install the plot(s) and you have a residential area. No need to install sidewalks, they're painted on the plots and the height of the masonite provides the curb. When they get dusty you can remove the plots for cleaning.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
Sent: Fri Oct 12 11:32:39 CDT 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Thanks For The Encouragement!




Thanks everyone! I am getting some renewed interest in building a display layout that is as close to the Sibley as I can make it.

Dale, I couldn't agree more. The layout has to have some size to it or it just would not be very interesting for very long.

Rick - you are right. I got bored with it and it fell into dis-use.

Tom, you have probably forgotten more than I will ever know!

Stumpy. Bullseye!

So here is my dilemma: yes, I would like the 7X16 layout - but I don't want a monster down there that will someday be a chore to tear down. Been there. Done that - and I'm not getting any younger! I believe the question for me is, how do I build it so that it will be relatively simple someday to tear down? I have a few thoughts. I'm a fair carpenter - as a hobby. Instead of lugging four sheets of plywood down there, I might have another way. I have a large stack of 2X3 lumber from all the previous benchwork that I may as well try to use up. I could easily build the benchwork by screwing some of it together - just like last time. That is simple enough to do and it un-builds very easily. Instead of a plywood top, I am thinking of re-sawing and planing 2X3's down to 3/4" thickness and making a top out of them, each one screwed down to the 2X3 benchwork. The trick there is to use corner braces so that the whole table will be square and won't rack. But, when it's time to tear it d
own, I
don't have sheets of plywood to deal with. Instead, I'll have bundles of slats to dispose of. True, I'll still have four sheets of a Homosote-like material to dispose of some day, but that is easy to break down. I couldn't help notice on the Sibley that the two principle mountains look like they were made off of the layout and simply put into place on top of the layout. I'll do the same. I can't justify buying a new track and switch system, so like the original, it will be vintage - which I have plenty of. I can't buy rubber roadbed and even if I could, it wouldn't work on the stretched-out curves. So, I'll want to ballast the track instead. But I don't want to glue it down because vintage track and glue/water don't mix. I guess it will be okay loose. It was on my old layout. I wonder if NMRA-standard modules would work. If I could build it like that, it could conceivable be moved someday if necessary.

Do you see where I'm going with all this? It would be based upon the Sibley layout, but it would not be a carbon copy. Actually, in some ways, it might be better!

Now is the time for me to mentally build it, so when the weather gets cold, I'll have a plan.

Thanks again!
Tim





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70638 From: Timboy Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Brady,

You took that idea and sweetened it - a LOT! I like it and I agree with you. Look at all the set-in-place stuff MTH makes. I've seen them in use and they look great. Plug 'n play scenery. It's a ridiculously simple and beautiful idea.

I think it will be fun to keep a running blog on this build, same as I did on my other one.

Thanks!
Tim

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> Besides the mountain, you could do other parts of the scenery at the workbench as plots, mounted on masonite. I did this a few layouts back and it worked well.
>
> For example, masonite plots for houses can be painted with a concrete color and masked for gluing on grass/ground cover, the tape covering the front sidewalk, driveway, etc.. Install the house. Paint a street on the layout surface, install the plot(s) and you have a residential area. No need to install sidewalks, they're painted on the plots and the height of the masonite provides the curb. When they get dusty you can remove the plots for cleaning.
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
> Sent: Fri Oct 12 11:32:39 CDT 2012
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Thanks For The Encouragement!
>
>
>
>
> Thanks everyone! I am getting some renewed interest in building a display layout that is as close to the Sibley as I can make it.
>
> Dale, I couldn't agree more. The layout has to have some size to it or it just would not be very interesting for very long.
>
> Rick - you are right. I got bored with it and it fell into dis-use.
>
> Tom, you have probably forgotten more than I will ever know!
>
> Stumpy. Bullseye!
>
> So here is my dilemma: yes, I would like the 7X16 layout - but I don't want a monster down there that will someday be a chore to tear down. Been there. Done that - and I'm not getting any younger! I believe the question for me is, how do I build it so that it will be relatively simple someday to tear down? I have a few thoughts. I'm a fair carpenter - as a hobby. Instead of lugging four sheets of plywood down there, I might have another way. I have a large stack of 2X3 lumber from all the previous benchwork that I may as well try to use up. I could easily build the benchwork by screwing some of it together - just like last time. That is simple enough to do and it un-builds very easily. Instead of a plywood top, I am thinking of re-sawing and planing 2X3's down to 3/4" thickness and making a top out of them, each one screwed down to the 2X3 benchwork. The trick there is to use corner braces so that the whole table will be square and won't rack. But, when it's time to tear it d
> own, I
> don't have sheets of plywood to deal with. Instead, I'll have bundles of slats to dispose of. True, I'll still have four sheets of a Homosote-like material to dispose of some day, but that is easy to break down. I couldn't help notice on the Sibley that the two principle mountains look like they were made off of the layout and simply put into place on top of the layout. I'll do the same. I can't justify buying a new track and switch system, so like the original, it will be vintage - which I have plenty of. I can't buy rubber roadbed and even if I could, it wouldn't work on the stretched-out curves. So, I'll want to ballast the track instead. But I don't want to glue it down because vintage track and glue/water don't mix. I guess it will be okay loose. It was on my old layout. I wonder if NMRA-standard modules would work. If I could build it like that, it could conceivable be moved someday if necessary.
>
> Do you see where I'm going with all this? It would be based upon the Sibley layout, but it would not be a carbon copy. Actually, in some ways, it might be better!
>
> Now is the time for me to mentally build it, so when the weather gets cold, I'll have a plan.
>
> Thanks again!
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70639 From: Chilberto Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: Wiring a 761/23761 Automatic Semaphore
Is there a way to wire up a 761/23761 Semaphore using a single button control? I have block sections on my small layout controlled by single toggle switches, but want to incorporate some semaphores. Since the sections need to be only on/off, I was hoping to get around using 697 track trips (more complexity and wiring than needed for my layout's size) or purchasing 2-button controls.

Christopher Hilbert
Group: S-Trains Message: 70640 From: Timboy Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Bob...

I know of no way to "stretch" vintage rubber roadbed out to a broader radius curve. As far as I am concerned, it can't be done. Therefore, I'll need to ballast my track and that will be a significant variation from the original. But - to my knowledge - there is only one Sibley Department Store Display Layout. Mine will be a variation, or a knock-off. There are plenty of other concerns about it that I have as well and I'll address those concerns in the coming weeks/months. Here is a link to my blog on this build where I will be able to go into much more detail and provide pics along the way:

http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/

Thanks,
...Tim


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> TIM...... I too am about to start all over.... I have enough Rubber for a layout so I am going to stick with the old stuff...... I think the rubber curve sections can be bent just a little to increase the radius..... Maybe heat will make it move????.... Or cut sections..... Or???? Then rebend the track and lay it back in the slots???? Ideas..... My room size is 9.-4" x 13'-4"..... I plan on 2'-8" shelf all around with a bridge in on corner..... lower left...... Any layout ideas?.....Bob
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70641 From: Bill Lane Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: S Helper Service flex track for sale
I am taking offers on my sealed case of S Helper Service flex track before
possibly being listed on eBay. It is 48 pieces 40 inches long which is 160
feet of track. I bought the very last 2 cases of flex track S Helper Service
had – forever. Does that make them collectible too? If and/or when MTH will
make the flex track is not known now, or what the price might be. If you
cannot use it but have a friend looking for more please forward my email to
them.



I bought them on not knowing what my layout was going to be. My layout is
much more defined now. Most of my planned addition – if it ever happens -
will be code 100 so I am still good to go, and I will still have over ½ case
of SHS flex left over.



If you have not used this track it is simply the best and easiest to use.



I paid full retail price which I think was $450.00 so no lowball offers.
***I don’t have to sell it.*** It is a big box so I am guessing shipping
UPS with NO insurance will be about $40.00. I would prefer to ship in the 48
states only. Canadian offers – maybe. But it is likely going to be listed
eBay unless someone **makes me an offer I cannot refuse.** My decision to
list on eBay or sell direct will be on Monday night.



Reply directly to bill@... with your offers.







Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70642 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Brady,
That is inspired!  I have an access hole on the center of my 8x8 and I've been pondering how to handle it and now I know.  Now to find some masonite. Thanks for sharing a great idea.
Neil


--- On Sat, 10/13/12, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote:

From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 13, 2012, 12:10 AM
















 









Brady,



You took that idea and sweetened it - a LOT! I like it and I agree with you. Look at all the set-in-place stuff MTH makes. I've seen them in use and they look great. Plug 'n play scenery. It's a ridiculously simple and beautiful idea.



I think it will be fun to keep a running blog on this build, same as I did on my other one.



Thanks!

Tim



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:

>

> Tim,

>

> Besides the mountain, you could do other parts of the scenery at the workbench as plots, mounted on masonite. I did this a few layouts back and it worked well.

>

> For example, masonite plots for houses can be painted with a concrete color and masked for gluing on grass/ground cover, the tape covering the front sidewalk, driveway, etc.. Install the house. Paint a street on the layout surface, install the plot(s) and you have a residential area. No need to install sidewalks, they're painted on the plots and the height of the masonite provides the curb. When they get dusty you can remove the plots for cleaning.

>

> Brady

>

> Sent from my Kindle Fire

>

>

>

> _____________________________________________

> From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>

> Sent: Fri Oct 12 11:32:39 CDT 2012

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [S-Trains] Thanks For The Encouragement!

>

>

>

>

> Thanks everyone! I am getting some renewed interest in building a display layout that is as close to the Sibley as I can make it.

>

> Dale, I couldn't agree more. The layout has to have some size to it or it just would not be very interesting for very long.

>

> Rick - you are right. I got bored with it and it fell into dis-use.

>

> Tom, you have probably forgotten more than I will ever know!

>

> Stumpy. Bullseye!

>

> So here is my dilemma: yes, I would like the 7X16 layout - but I don't want a monster down there that will someday be a chore to tear down. Been there. Done that - and I'm not getting any younger! I believe the question for me is, how do I build it so that it will be relatively simple someday to tear down? I have a few thoughts. I'm a fair carpenter - as a hobby. Instead of lugging four sheets of plywood down there, I might have another way. I have a large stack of 2X3 lumber from all the previous benchwork that I may as well try to use up. I could easily build the benchwork by screwing some of it together - just like last time. That is simple enough to do and it un-builds very easily. Instead of a plywood top, I am thinking of re-sawing and planing 2X3's down to 3/4" thickness and making a top out of them, each one screwed down to the 2X3 benchwork. The trick there is to use corner braces so that the whole table will be square and won't rack. But,
when it's time to tear it d

> own, I

> don't have sheets of plywood to deal with. Instead, I'll have bundles of slats to dispose of. True, I'll still have four sheets of a Homosote-like material to dispose of some day, but that is easy to break down. I couldn't help notice on the Sibley that the two principle mountains look like they were made off of the layout and simply put into place on top of the layout. I'll do the same. I can't justify buying a new track and switch system, so like the original, it will be vintage - which I have plenty of. I can't buy rubber roadbed and even if I could, it wouldn't work on the stretched-out curves. So, I'll want to ballast the track instead. But I don't want to glue it down because vintage track and glue/water don't mix. I guess it will be okay loose. It was on my old layout. I wonder if NMRA-standard modules would work. If I could build it like that, it could conceivable be moved someday if necessary.

>

> Do you see where I'm going with all this? It would be based upon the Sibley layout, but it would not be a carbon copy. Actually, in some ways, it might be better!

>

> Now is the time for me to mentally build it, so when the weather gets cold, I'll have a plan.

>

> Thanks again!

> Tim

>

>

>

>

>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70643 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Wiring a 761/23761 Automatic Semaphore
I use single pole double throw toggle switches with center off as a manual override for those occasions when one of Gilbert's track trips fails. You can do the same and leave out the trips altogether.

One side of the toggle turns the semaphore red and the other side turns it green.


On Oct 12, 2012, at 9:11 PM, "Chilberto" <Chilberto@...> wrote:

> Is there a way to wire up a 761/23761 Semaphore using a single button control? I have block sections on my small layout controlled by single toggle switches, but want to incorporate some semaphores. Since the sections need to be only on/off, I was hoping to get around using 697 track trips (more complexity and wiring than needed for my layout's size) or purchasing 2-button controls.
>
> Christopher Hilbert
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70644 From: Anthony Cynor Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Layout torn down
You might consider a around the wall shelf type layout with peninsulas
for continuous running. Actually the only kind I would do in the future
to avoid access problems.

Tony Cynor
Group: S-Trains Message: 70645 From: Robert Conner Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
TIM....UPDATE.ON RUBBER ROADBED....... I grabbed a piece of straight and tried to stretch it out..... With a slight twisting of the wrists I began to get a curve from it.. Straight to about 120" r..... the tie slots got a little bigger on one end as the rubber streched.... I did this flat on a table.... you would have to nail and glue it down to maintain the curve..... It appears that it would be very easy, although you would have to remove the ties and rails and rebend and reset in new tie locations. It should be easy to take the standard 19" r curve stuff and spring it to 20" r..... Didn't the AF Display  layout have several curves and as I remember it they were rubber with new ties and track laid in.  Give it a try...You did stuff with switches!!!!
Bob

--- On Fri, 10/12/12, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:


From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thanks For The Encouragement!
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 12:57 PM



 



TIM...... I too am about to start all over.... I have enough Rubber for a layout so I am going to stick with the old stuff...... I think the rubber curve sections can be bent just a little to increase the radius..... Maybe heat will make it move????.... Or cut sections..... Or???? Then rebend the track and lay it back in the slots???? Ideas..... My room size is 9.-4" x 13'-4"..... I plan on 2'-8" shelf all around with a bridge in on corner..... lower left...... Any layout ideas?.....Bob

 

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70646 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Tim,

As far as the take down possibilities, Clay Buckage has been doing it
with the original Sibley Layout when he takes it on the road. I think
he will be doing less of that in the future though, as he did admit it
is not designed for that. He might have some ideas on take down of the
layout.

As to bending rubber roadbed, the original Sibley layout was built in
1950 and showcased the brand new at that time rubber roadbed. They must
have been able to curve it as a great deal of the concentric curves are
custom bent long rails fastened to standard Gilbert ties. Whether they
started with straight and bent in or started with curved and bent out, I
am not sure. Jeff Faust's track plan for the original layout shows
some details in the track sections, so you can see some of the
variations from standard sections. They are wider radius but the tie
spacing seems to match the roadbed. Jeff let me put his track plan
on my site at
http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/sibley_images/sibley_2.jpg in case
you want to refer to it.

I am sure you could do the layout without the custom curves, but it will
require a bit of reworking. Good luck with whatever you decide.

Dale

On 10/13/2012 5:04 AM, Timboy wrote:
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> Bob...
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> I know of no way to "stretch" vintage rubber roadbed out to a broader
> radius curve. As far as I am concerned, it can't be done. Therefore,
> I'll need to ballast my track and that will be a significant variation
> from the original. But - to my knowledge - there is only one Sibley
> Department Store Display Layout. Mine will be a variation, or a
> knock-off. There are plenty of other concerns about it that I have as
> well and I'll address those concerns in the coming weeks/months. Here
> is a link to my blog on this build where I will be able to go into
> much more detail and provide pics along the way:
>
> http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/
>
> Thanks,
> ...Tim
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
> >
> > TIM...... I too am about to start all over.... I have enough Rubber
> for a layout so I am going to stick with the old stuff...... I think
> the rubber curve sections can be bent just a little to increase the
> radius..... Maybe heat will make it move????.... Or cut sections.....
> Or???? Then rebend the track and lay it back in the slots????
> Ideas..... My room size is 9.-4" x 13'-4"..... I plan on 2'-8" shelf
> all around with a bridge in on corner..... lower left...... Any layout
> ideas?.....Bob
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70647 From: Timboy Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Bob...

A while ago I tried stretching out a piece of curved rubber roadbed and couldn't make it work. I never thought of stretching a piece of straight rubber roadbed into a broad curved section. Thanks for the idea. I won't dismiss it out-of-hand until I experiment more.

Thanks again,
...Tim

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> TIM....UPDATE.ON RUBBER ROADBED....... I grabbed a piece of straight and tried to stretch it out..... With a slight twisting of the wrists I began to get a curve from it.. Straight to about 120" r..... the tie slots got a little bigger on one end as the rubber streched.... I did this flat on a table.... you would have to nail and glue it down to maintain the curve..... It appears that it would be very easy, although you would have to remove the ties and rails and rebend and reset in new tie locations. It should be easy to take the standard 19" r curve stuff and spring it to 20" r..... Didn't the AF Display  layout have several curves and as I remember it they were rubber with new ties and track laid in.  Give it a try...You did stuff with switches!!!!
> Bob
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70648 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Tim,

On the subject of bending rubber roadbed, I just thought of something.
There might be a difference between bending fresh out of the mold rubber
roadbed and 50-60 year old rubber roadbed.:-)

Dale

On 10/13/2012 12:07 PM, Timboy wrote:
>
> Bob...
>
> A while ago I tried stretching out a piece of curved rubber roadbed
> and couldn't make it work. I never thought of stretching a piece of
> straight rubber roadbed into a broad curved section. Thanks for the
> idea. I won't dismiss it out-of-hand until I experiment more.
>
> Thanks again,
> ...Tim
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
> >
> > TIM....UPDATE.ON RUBBER ROADBED....... I grabbed a piece of straight
> and tried to stretch it out..... With a slight twisting of the wrists
> I began to get a curve from it.. Straight to about 120" r..... the tie
> slots got a little bigger on one end as the rubber streched.... I did
> this flat on a table.... you would have to nail and glue it down to
> maintain the curve..... It appears that it would be very easy,
> although you would have to remove the ties and rails and rebend and
> reset in new tie locations. It should be easy to take the standard 19"
> r curve stuff and spring it to 20" r..... Didn't the AF Display
> Â layout have several curves and as I remember it they were rubber
> with new ties and track laid in. Give it a try...You did stuff with
> switches!!!!
> > Bob
> >
> > --- On Fri, 10/12/12, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
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> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thanks For The Encouragement!
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
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> for a layout so I am going to stick with the old stuff...... I think
> the rubber curve sections can be bent just a little to increase the
> radius..... Maybe heat will make it move????.... Or cut sections.....
> Or???? Then rebend the track and lay it back in the slots????
> Ideas..... My room size is 9.-4" x 13'-4"..... I plan on 2'-8" shelf
> all around with a bridge in on corner..... lower left...... Any layout
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70649 From: Jerry Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Dale is right. I don't bend as well as I used to either....;>)

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale F. Smith" <dalefsmith@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> On the subject of bending rubber roadbed, I just thought of something.
> There might be a difference between bending fresh out of the mold rubber
> roadbed and 50-60 year old rubber roadbed.:-)
>
> Dale
>
> On 10/13/2012 12:07 PM, Timboy wrote:
> >
> > Bob...
> >
> > A while ago I tried stretching out a piece of curved rubber roadbed
> > and couldn't make it work. I never thought of stretching a piece of
> > straight rubber roadbed into a broad curved section. Thanks for the
> > idea. I won't dismiss it out-of-hand until I experiment more.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > ...Tim
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:
> > >
> > > TIM....UPDATE.ON RUBBER ROADBED....... I grabbed a piece of straight
> > and tried to stretch it out..... With a slight twisting of the wrists
> > I began to get a curve from it.. Straight to about 120" r..... the tie
> > slots got a little bigger on one end as the rubber streched.... I did
> > this flat on a table.... you would have to nail and glue it down to
> > maintain the curve..... It appears that it would be very easy,
> > although you would have to remove the ties and rails and rebend and
> > reset in new tie locations. It should be easy to take the standard 19"
> > r curve stuff and spring it to 20" r..... Didn't the AF Display
> > Â layout have several curves and as I remember it they were rubber
> > with new ties and track laid in. Give it a try...You did stuff with
> > switches!!!!
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 10/12/12, Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:
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> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thanks For The Encouragement!
> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 12:57 PM
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> > the rubber curve sections can be bent just a little to increase the
> > radius..... Maybe heat will make it move????.... Or cut sections.....
> > Or???? Then rebend the track and lay it back in the slots????
> > Ideas..... My room size is 9.-4" x 13'-4"..... I plan on 2'-8" shelf
> > all around with a bridge in on corner..... lower left...... Any layout
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70650 From: Robert Lampe Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Dale you just might have something there. The question is what tye heat to use? Steam? a heat lamp? heating pad?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: dalefsmith@...
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:14:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!


























Tim,



On the subject of bending rubber roadbed, I just thought of something.

There might be a difference between bending fresh out of the mold rubber

roadbed and 50-60 year old rubber roadbed.:-)



Dale



On 10/13/2012 12:07 PM, Timboy wrote:

>

> Bob...

>

> A while ago I tried stretching out a piece of curved rubber roadbed

> and couldn't make it work. I never thought of stretching a piece of

> straight rubber roadbed into a broad curved section. Thanks for the

> idea. I won't dismiss it out-of-hand until I experiment more.

>

> Thanks again,

> ...Tim

>

> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,

> Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:

> >

> > TIM....UPDATE.ON RUBBER ROADBED....... I grabbed a piece of straight

> and tried to stretch it out..... With a slight twisting of the wrists

> I began to get a curve from it.. Straight to about 120" r..... the tie

> slots got a little bigger on one end as the rubber streched.... I did

> this flat on a table.... you would have to nail and glue it down to

> maintain the curve..... It appears that it would be very easy,

> although you would have to remove the ties and rails and rebend and

> reset in new tie locations. It should be easy to take the standard 19"

> r curve stuff and spring it to 20" r..... Didn't the� AF Display

> � layout have several curves and as I remember it they were rubber

> with new ties and track laid in.� Give it a try...You did stuff with

> switches!!!!

> > Bob

> >

> > --- On Fri, 10/12/12, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:

> >

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> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thanks For The Encouragement!

> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>

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> for a layout so I am going to stick with the old stuff...... I think

> the rubber curve sections can be bent just a little to increase the

> radius..... Maybe heat will make it move????.... Or cut sections.....

> Or????� Then rebend the track and lay it back in the slots????

> Ideas..... My room size is 9.-4" x 13'-4"..... I plan on 2'-8" shelf

> all around with a bridge in on corner..... lower left...... Any layout

> ideas?.....Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70651 From: Robert Lampe Date: 10/14/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Jerry I noticed the same thing. The older I get the less bendy I am.

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: poniaj@...
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 01:43:59 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!


























Dale is right. I don't bend as well as I used to either....;>)



Jerry



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale F. Smith" <dalefsmith@...> wrote:

>

> Tim,

>

> On the subject of bending rubber roadbed, I just thought of something.

> There might be a difference between bending fresh out of the mold rubber

> roadbed and 50-60 year old rubber roadbed.:-)

>

> Dale

>

> On 10/13/2012 12:07 PM, Timboy wrote:

> >

> > Bob...

> >

> > A while ago I tried stretching out a piece of curved rubber roadbed

> > and couldn't make it work. I never thought of stretching a piece of

> > straight rubber roadbed into a broad curved section. Thanks for the

> > idea. I won't dismiss it out-of-hand until I experiment more.

> >

> > Thanks again,

> > ...Tim

> >

> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,

> > Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:

> > >

> > > TIM....UPDATE.ON RUBBER ROADBED....... I grabbed a piece of straight

> > and tried to stretch it out..... With a slight twisting of the wrists

> > I began to get a curve from it.. Straight to about 120" r..... the tie

> > slots got a little bigger on one end as the rubber streched.... I did

> > this flat on a table.... you would have to nail and glue it down to

> > maintain the curve..... It appears that it would be very easy,

> > although you would have to remove the ties and rails and rebend and

> > reset in new tie locations. It should be easy to take the standard 19"

> > r curve stuff and spring it to 20" r..... Didn't the� AF Display

> > � layout have several curves and as I remember it they were rubber

> > with new ties and track laid in.� Give it a try...You did stuff with

> > switches!!!!

> > > Bob

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 10/12/12, Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > From: Robert Conner <rcon7@>

> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thanks For The Encouragement!

> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>

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> > for a layout so I am going to stick with the old stuff...... I think

> > the rubber curve sections can be bent just a little to increase the

> > radius..... Maybe heat will make it move????.... Or cut sections.....

> > Or????� Then rebend the track and lay it back in the slots????

> > Ideas..... My room size is 9.-4" x 13'-4"..... I plan on 2'-8" shelf

> > all around with a bridge in on corner..... lower left...... Any layout

> > ideas?.....Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70652 From: Paul Date: 10/14/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!
Fellows, me too. is it good or bad though once I get twisted into a new
position,
I stay well, it's real rough to go back to where I was before. my ties
and slots never
line up right again. paul

On 10/14/2012 9:24 AM, Robert Lampe wrote:
> Jerry I noticed the same thing. The older I get the less bendy I am.
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> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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>> Tim,
>> On the subject of bending rubber roadbed, I just thought of something.
>> There might be a difference between bending fresh out of the mold rubber
>> roadbed and 50-60 year old rubber roadbed.:-)
>> Dale
>> On 10/13/2012 12:07 PM, Timboy wrote:
>>> Bob...
>>> A while ago I tried stretching out a piece of curved rubber roadbed
>>> and couldn't make it work. I never thought of stretching a piece of
>>> straight rubber roadbed into a broad curved section. Thanks for the
>>> idea. I won't dismiss it out-of-hand until I experiment more.
>>> Thanks again,
>>> ...Tim
>>> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>> Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:
>>>> TIM....UPDATE.ON RUBBER ROADBED....... I grabbed a piece of straight
>>> and tried to stretch it out..... With a slight twisting of the wrists
>>> I began to get a curve from it.. Straight to about 120" r..... the tie
>>> slots got a little bigger on one end as the rubber streched.... I did
>>> this flat on a table.... you would have to nail and glue it down to
>>> maintain the curve..... It appears that it would be very easy,
>>> although you would have to remove the ties and rails and rebend and
>>> reset in new tie locations. It should be easy to take the standard 19"
>>> r curve stuff and spring it to 20" r..... Didn't the AF Display
>>> Â layout have several curves and as I remember it they were rubber
>>> with new ties and track laid in. Give it a try...You did stuff with
>>> switches!!!!
>>>> Bob
>>>> --- On Fri, 10/12/12, Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:
>>>> From: Robert Conner <rcon7@>
>>>> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thanks For The Encouragement!
>>>> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 12:57 PM
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>>> for a layout so I am going to stick with the old stuff...... I think
>>> the rubber curve sections can be bent just a little to increase the
>>> radius..... Maybe heat will make it move????.... Or cut sections.....
>>> Or???? Then rebend the track and lay it back in the slots????
>>> Ideas..... My room size is 9.-4" x 13'-4"..... I plan on 2'-8" shelf
>>> all around with a bridge in on corner..... lower left...... Any layout
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70654 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/14/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!--PVMR
AS a suggestion, PVMR recently removed the Homosote tops from our
expanding "O" layout ( 4- 4 X 8 sections ) and replaced the Homosote with 1.5 inch
foam. One person can now pick up a section to move it, at least until the
track & scenery is installed. The framework was unchanged, 1 & 4 white
pine.
Our 8 X 16 "S" layout ( 4 X 8 sections again ) is a combination of 2 X
3's & 1 X 3 W P, interspersed with single & doubled up 3/4 X 3 plywood
cross-members. WAY too heavy to move, we'll never build that way again. The
strength of the foam topped layout will be known by early November when it
leaves it's second floor home, is loaded into a trailer and moved into it's
home to run for the next three months. Will report, will ask our Photog,
Glenn Ritter, to get some pics.
AS far as the "S" rubber roadbed, we ran out of it--so we're using
Wardie-Jay Tinplate Ties and Ballast, looks great. (That WAS a plug, BTW ).

Folks going to York should drop by & say HI at table N-11 in ORANGE Hall.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 10/14/2012 12:49:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dilly@... writes:

Fellows, me too. is it good or bad though once I get twisted into a new
position,
I stay well, it's real rough to go back to where I was before. my ties
and slots never
line up right again. paul

On 10/14/2012 9:24 AM, Robert Lampe wrote:
> Jerry I noticed the same thing. The older I get the less bendy I am.
>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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>> There might be a difference between bending fresh out of the mold rubber
>> roadbed and 50-60 year old rubber roadbed.:-)
>> Dale
>> On 10/13/2012 12:07 PM, Timboy wrote:
>>> Bob...
>>> A while ago I tried stretching out a piece of curved rubber roadbed
>>> and couldn't make it work. I never thought of stretching a piece of
>>> straight rubber roadbed into a broad curved section. Thanks for the
>>> idea. I won't dismiss it out-of-hand until I experiment more.
>>> Thanks again,
>>> ...Tim
>>> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>> Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:
>>>> TIM....UPDATE.ON RUBBER ROADBED....... I grabbed a piece of straight
>>> and tried to stretch it out..... With a slight twisting of the wrists
>>> I began to get a curve from it.. Straight to about 120" r..... the tie
>>> slots got a little bigger on one end as the rubber streched.... I did
>>> this flat on a table.... you would have to nail and glue it down to
>>> maintain the curve..... It appears that it would be very easy,
>>> although you would have to remove the ties and rails and rebend and
>>> reset in new tie locations. It should be easy to take the standard 19"
>>> r curve stuff and spring it to 20" r..... Didn't the AF Display
>>> Â layout have several curves and as I remember it they were rubber
>>> with new ties and track laid in. Give it a try...You did stuff with
>>> switches!!!!
>>>> Bob
>>>> --- On Fri, 10/12/12, Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:
>>>> From: Robert Conner <rcon7@>
>>>> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thanks For The Encouragement!
>>>> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 12:57 PM
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>>> for a layout so I am going to stick with the old stuff...... I think
>>> the rubber curve sections can be bent just a little to increase the
>>> radius..... Maybe heat will make it move????.... Or cut sections.....
>>> Or???? Then rebend the track and lay it back in the slots????
>>> Ideas..... My room size is 9.-4" x 13'-4"..... I plan on 2'-8" shelf
>>> all around with a bridge in on corner..... lower left...... Any layout
>>> ideas?.....Bob
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70655 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/14/2012
Subject: Re: Thanks For The Encouragement!--PVMR
ADDITIONAL INFO--We used 1/4" Luan plywood under the foam so we had mtl to
run screws into. We HAVE noticed "dips" here and there. Going to be
"topography"..

_http://www.tcamembers.org/netvision/index.htm-- _
(http://www.tcamembers.org/netvision/index.htm-- might) might be of interest.

_http://www.nttmuseum.org/images/OPEN-HOUSE-October-17-2012.pdf_
(http://www.nttmuseum.org/images/OPEN-HOUSE-October-17-2012.pdf)

NTTM is open FREE Wednesday the 17th, from 10 AM til 6 PM. Note we run a
Shuttle, as well.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 10/14/2012 3:55:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
WJJIM@... writes:

AS a suggestion, PVMR recently removed the Homosote tops from our
expanding "O" layout ( 4- 4 X 8 sections ) and replaced the Homosote with 1.5 inch
foam. One person can now pick up a section to move it, at least until the
track & scenery is installed. The framework was unchanged, 1 & 4 white
pine.
Our 8 X 16 "S" layout ( 4 X 8 sections again ) is a combination of 2 X
3's & 1 X 3 W P, interspersed with single & doubled up 3/4 X 3 plywood
cross-members. WAY too heavy to move, we'll never build that way again. The
strength of the foam topped layout will be known by early November when it
leaves it's second floor home, is loaded into a trailer and moved into it's
home to run for the next three months. Will report, will ask our Photog,
Glenn Ritter, to get some pics.
AS far as the "S" rubber roadbed, we ran out of it--so we're using
Wardie-Jay Tinplate Ties and Ballast, looks great. (That WAS a plug, BTW ).

Folks going to York should drop by & say HI at table N-11 in ORANGE Hall.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 10/14/2012 12:49:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dilly@... writes:

Fellows, me too. is it good or bad though once I get twisted into a new
position,
I stay well, it's real rough to go back to where I was before. my ties
and slots never
line up right again. paul

On 10/14/2012 9:24 AM, Robert Lampe wrote:
> Jerry I noticed the same thing. The older I get the less bendy I am.
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>> On the subject of bending rubber roadbed, I just thought of something.
>> There might be a difference between bending fresh out of the mold rubber
>> roadbed and 50-60 year old rubber roadbed.:-)
>> Dale
>> On 10/13/2012 12:07 PM, Timboy wrote:
>>> Bob...
>>> A while ago I tried stretching out a piece of curved rubber roadbed
>>> and couldn't make it work. I never thought of stretching a piece of
>>> straight rubber roadbed into a broad curved section. Thanks for the
>>> idea. I won't dismiss it out-of-hand until I experiment more.
>>> Thanks again,
>>> ...Tim
>>> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>> Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:
>>>> TIM....UPDATE.ON RUBBER ROADBED....... I grabbed a piece of straight
>>> and tried to stretch it out..... With a slight twisting of the wrists
>>> I began to get a curve from it.. Straight to about 120" r..... the tie
>>> slots got a little bigger on one end as the rubber streched.... I did
>>> this flat on a table.... you would have to nail and glue it down to
>>> maintain the curve..... It appears that it would be very easy,
>>> although you would have to remove the ties and rails and rebend and
>>> reset in new tie locations. It should be easy to take the standard 19"
>>> r curve stuff and spring it to 20" r..... Didn't the AF Display
>>> Â layout have several curves and as I remember it they were rubber
>>> with new ties and track laid in. Give it a try...You did stuff with
>>> switches!!!!
>>>> Bob
>>>> --- On Fri, 10/12/12, Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:
>>>> From: Robert Conner <rcon7@>
>>>> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thanks For The Encouragement!
>>>> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 12:57 PM
>>>> Â
>>>> TIM...... I too am about to start all over.... I have enough Rubber
>>> for a layout so I am going to stick with the old stuff...... I think
>>> the rubber curve sections can be bent just a little to increase the
>>> radius..... Maybe heat will make it move????.... Or cut sections.....
>>> Or???? Then rebend the track and lay it back in the slots????
>>> Ideas..... My room size is 9.-4" x 13'-4"..... I plan on 2'-8" shelf
>>> all around with a bridge in on corner..... lower left...... Any layout
>>> ideas?.....Bob
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70656 From: EDWARD Date: 10/14/2012
Subject: Flyer & MTH
This was received from Jake Jacobson tonight, GGAFC

Guys, Here's a little snipit of what we can expect in Tomorrow's Catalog from Lionel. Also a Blurb from what we can expect in 'S' Gauge ( Scale ) from MTH for 2013.

Flyinel Update: Latest word is that the TX Special sets will deliver by the end of 2012, but the Defender Sets will not.
The 2012 Fall catalog should be available online (lionel.com) on Monday, Oct 15. The American Flyer offerings will include:

(a) 2-8-8-2 Mallet engine in ATSF and N&W road names.

(b) U33c Diesels in Santa Fe; D&H; IC; PC; and Milwaukee road names.

(c) U33c Diesels in Norfolk Southern "Heritage" paint schemes: CNJ; DL&W; Erie; Ill Terminal; NYC; and PC

(d) SD70 Diesels in 6 new road names, each w/both a powered unit & a dummy unit available CNJ; DL&W; Erie; Ill Terminal; NYC; PC

(e) Cylindrical Hoppers: Alberta; PRR; NS; Gov of Canada

(f) FasTrack: 5" Straight sections




MTH said by next year they are putting out an all new SD70ACe Diesel in a wide variety of railroads, including heritage schemes from Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern.

MTH was asked why the same loco that Lionel has announced. Their reply was simply "Competition."

MTH listed what they will be announcing for next year:

Scale and Hi-Rail wheel configurations Scale and Hi-Rail couplers
Proto-Sound 3.0 Digital Sound DCC/DCS command control equipped
LED lighting effects
Operating Smoke in selected models
Built-in Locomotive Speed Control
Prototypical Deco Schemes
Upgradeable Sound and Operating features Powerful, Flywheel equipped motors

Check it out at www.mthsgaugetrains.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 70657 From: Robert E. Wilson Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: Epoxy Putty Question
Epoxy Putty Question: Following an announcement on this e-mail service, I
ordered and received the latest edition of book on AF repairs by Thomas
Barker. The author recommends your supply of repair tools and chemicals
have some epoxy putty. I went to my neighborhood hardware store to buy such
and found there are many different varieties of putty. Is there a preferred
type or formulation? Thanks. Bob Wilson



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70658 From: John Asp Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: European S Gauge
I have a European 4-6-4 steamer with tender that looks like a Marklin product, except that it is S Gauge size. Its wheels will almost fit on Flyer track. Has elephant ear smoke deflectors. Wheels are red spoked. Not a number or trace of one on the engine or tender, nor anything visible to suggest who made it etc. Ive searched the internet, and booked as favorite search on the e place but nothing ever turns up except HO Marklin look alikes. Which European manufactuers could have made a near S gauge product - am I barking up the wrong tree at Marklin? Is there a European scale that is almost S gauge?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70659 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: Re: European S Gauge
If you search back on this site you might find a couple of posts I
have made on the subject. There was a fairly large French, East
German, West German and Czekoslovakian S gauge toy industry. For
some reason the gauge was a few mm wider than Gilbert. Gilbert will
run fine on the European track but the European stuff will not run
on Gilbert, jumping off on the curves. Both the French (JEP) and the
West Germans (Bub) turned out a range of  electric 0-4-0 toys that
were nearer oo scale on the S track. The biggest makers were the East
Germans with several factories - Stadtilm being the main brand,
making  arange of mostly 0-4-0 plastic clockwork and electric locos
and tinplate cars. Stadtilm also built a 2-6-0 and I have a feeling
they may have made a fancier loco like the one you describe for sale
or presentation to senior Communist party offiicials. I also have a
feeling the Czek loco may be the one you describe. Dont forget that
Saki and another Japanese maker made some toys on the same track. Why
the track is slightly wider I do not know, unless Bub, the European
pioneer in the late 40's took the track centre to centre measurements
and then mistakedly applied them to the inside edge guage
measurements? I got out of it all afew years back and went to
Standard gauge instead, getting rid of what would now have been
fairly expensive stuff as the Europeans are keen on it and none has
been made since the fall of the Iron Curtain. The time scale was
roughly 1949 to 1972. As I say if you check back you may find my
posts with links to some British sites with information - My links
were lost several burnt out hard drives and computers ago. If you go
to eBay on teh german site and put in "spur s" you may find some.
 Alistair

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I have a European 4-6-4 steamer with tender that looks like a
Marklin product, except that it is S Gauge size. Its wheels will
almost fit on Flyer track. Has elephant ear smoke deflectors. Wheels
are red spoked. Not a number or trace of one on the engine or tender,
nor anything visible to suggest who made it etc. Ive searched the
internet, and booked as favorite search on the e place but nothing
ever turns up except HO Marklin look alikes. Which European
manufactuers could have made a near S gauge product - am I barking up
the wrong tree at Marklin? Is there a European scale that is almost S
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70660 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: Re: European S Gauge
Here's a U tube link worth looking at. As you can see the track
resembles the late Flyer stuff (I suspect the Gilbert track may even
have been made by a contractor using the dies from East Germany). I
had some of the wooden buildings as well. The large 8 wheeled cars
are scarce and expensive. As I said you could drop your Flyer
straight on to that layout and run it! Alistair

the link  

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If you search back on this site you might find a couple of posts I
have made on the subject. There was a fairly large French, East
German, West German and Czekoslovakian S gauge toy industry. For
some reason the gauge was a few mm wider than Gilbert. Gilbert will
run fine on the European track but the European stuff will not run
on Gilbert, jumping off on the curves. Both the French (JEP) and the
West Germans (Bub) turned out a range of  electric 0-4-0 toys that
were nearer oo scale on the S track. The biggest makers were the East
Germans with several factories - Stadtilm being the main brand,
making  arange of mostly 0-4-0 plastic clockwork and electric locos
and tinplate cars. Stadtilm also built a 2-6-0 and I have a feeling
they may have made a fancier loco like the one you describe for sale
or presentation to senior Communist party offiicials. I also have a
feeling the Czek loco may be the one you describe. Dont forget that
Saki and another Japanese maker made some toys on the same track. Why
the track is slightly wider I do not know, unless Bub, the European
pioneer in the late 40's took the track centre to centre measurements
and then mistakedly applied them to the inside edge guage
measurements? I got out of it all afew years back and went to
Standard gauge instead, getting rid of what would now have been
fairly expensive stuff as the Europeans are keen on it and none has
been made since the fall of the Iron Curtain. The time scale was
roughly 1949 to 1972. As I say if you check back you may find my
posts with links to some British sites with information - My links
were lost several burnt out hard drives and computers ago. If you go
to eBay on teh german site and put in "spur s" you may find some.
 Alistair

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I have a European 4-6-4 steamer with tender that looks like a
Marklin product, except that it is S Gauge size. Its wheels will
almost fit on Flyer track. Has elephant ear smoke deflectors. Wheels
are red spoked. Not a number or trace of one on the engine or tender,
nor anything visible to suggest who made it etc. Ive searched the
internet, and booked as favorite search on the e place but nothing
ever turns up except HO Marklin look alikes. Which European
manufactuers could have made a near S gauge product - am I barking up
the wrong tree at Marklin? Is there a European scale that is almost S
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70661 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: Re: European S Gauge
And here's another not so worth looking at - fuzzy shot of my old
smaller layout with Unique lines O on the outside , Flyer on Gilbert
track in the middle and Bub S gauge on the inside (running on JEP "S
" gauge track. Alistair

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpNyvaR0syM [1]

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Here's a U tube link worth looking at. As you can see the track
resembles the late Flyer stuff (I suspect the Gilbert track may even
have been made by a contractor using the dies from East Germany). I
had some of the wooden buildings as well. The large 8 wheeled cars
are scarce and expensive As I said you could drop your Flyer
straight on to that layout and run it! Alistair

the link  

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ6jV9gn45k [2] [1]
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Subject:Re: [S-Trains] European S Gauge

 

If you search back on this site you might find a couple of posts I
have made on the subject. There was a fairly large French, East
German, West German and Czekoslovakian S gauge toy industry. For
some reason the gauge was a few mm wider than Gilbert. Gilbert will
run fine on the European track but the European stuff will not run
on Gilbert, jumping off on the curves. Both the French (JEP) and the
West Germans (Bub) turned out a range of  electric 0-4-0 toys that
were nearer oo scale on the S track. The biggest makers were the East
Germans with several factories - Stadtilm being the main brand,
making  arange of mostly 0-4-0 plastic clockwork and electric locos
and tinplate cars. Stadtilm also built a 2-6-0 and I have a feeling
they may have made a fancier loco like the one you describe for sale
or presentation to senior Communist party offiicials. I also have a
feeling the Czek loco may be the one you describe. Dont forget that
Saki and another Japanese maker made some toys on the same track. Why
the track is slightly wider I do not know, unless Bub, the European
pioneer in the late 40's took the track centre to centre measurements
and then mistakedly applied them to the inside edge guage
measurements? I got out of it all afew years back and went to
Standard gauge instead, getting rid of what would now have been
fairly expensive stuff as the Europeans are keen on it and none has
been made since the fall of the Iron Curtain. The time scale was
roughly 1949 to 1972. As I say if you check back you may find my
posts with links to some British sites with information - My links
were lost several burnt out hard drives and computers ago. If you go
to eBay on teh german site and put in "spur s" you may find some.
 Alistair

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I have a European 4-6-4 steamer with tender that looks like a
Marklin product, except that it is S Gauge size. Its wheels will
almost fit on Flyer track. Has elephant ear smoke deflectors. Wheels
are red spoked. Not a number or trace of one on the engine or tender,
nor anything visible to suggest who made it etc. Ive searched the
internet, and booked as favorite search on the e place but nothing
ever turns up except HO Marklin look alikes. Which European
manufactuers could have made a near S gauge product - am I barking up
the wrong tree at Marklin? Is there a European scale that is almost S
gauge?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70662 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: Re: European S Gauge
----- Original Message -----
From: alizoo@...
. . . . . . . . There was a fairly large French, East German, West German
and Czekoslovakian S gauge toy industry.. . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
An interesting question. I think there is one of those near-S layouts in
the Lansing MI area.

Is there any reason for French, Germans, Cheks, &c to create a model
railroad system to AC Gilbert specifications, or to base anything on the
imperial measurements of 7/8 inch gauge or a scale of 3/16th inch to the
foot? Could it just be a coincidence?

Another queston - are those European model trains models of standard gauge
(4ft 8½ in or 1.435 meters) railroads? Or could they represent narrow gauge
trains?

Try this. Assume a scale of 1:45 and figure out what meter gauge would
work out to be in a toy train system. How close is it to S, 7/8 inch gauge?

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan USA
Group: S-Trains Message: 70663 From: Steven Allen Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: Santa's Trains at Look Park
I just added 40 photos to the photo gallery under the heading of Santa's Trains at Look Park, which is a holiday display our club has built for the people at Look Park in Northampton, MA. We are entering our 4th year in association with the park. Hope you enjoy the photos, and don't be afraid to ask questions.

Steve
Group: S-Trains Message: 70664 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: Re: Epoxy Putty Question
This is a huge can of worms question. There are as many opinions are there
are products it seems. It all depends on what you intend to use it on. JB
Weld is a popular one, but the very best is not available in small
quantities. It's an industrial grade product called BEXANE. It has metal particles
imbedded in it and will conduct electricity. It even sets up under water and
is used on oil rigs, etc. I have been using it for about 15 years in all
my train repairs that need that type of fix. The problem is buying it in the
huge quantities they sell it in and the cost. I will never be able to use
up the quantity I have in two lifetimes.
Steve
SnS Trains

In a message dated 10/15/2012 6:05:18 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
rewilson_pe@... writes:


Epoxy Putty Question: Following an announcement on this e-mail service, I
ordered and received the latest edition of book on AF repairs by Thomas
Barker. The author recommends your supply of repair tools and chemicals
have some epoxy putty. I went to my neighborhood hardware store to buy such
and found there are many different varieties of putty. Is there a preferred
type or formulation? Thanks. Bob Wilson

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70665 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 10/15/2012
Subject: Re: European S Gauge
Karl Bub attended a trade fair in Germany in 1949 where Gilbert S was
on display - that is reputed to be where it started. Most of the
rolling stock is not S scale - as I said the Bub and JEP are nearer
00 - 78/1 and the others probably nominally 4 foot or even metre
gauge. ie Narrow. However some of the fancier Stadilm may be nearer
S scale as was the Czek stuff. Bottom line is they are toys just as
most of the later Gilbert stuff. Having said that the prairie loco
was not too bad and the little tanks, if you ignore the 0-4-0
chasses are a reasonable scale rep of their prototypes. I should add
that some of the later East German stuff had some innovation - you
would have seen the roadbus, they alsolate in the piece made a road
rail set complete with containers and matching tractor units. these
were pulled on the track by the Diesel switcher you can see on the
side track. As I said buildings of wood complemented the layout. I am
still wondering why I let mine go - can't collect and run everything!
A final note as to 7/8 inches it would never have crossed their
minds - dont forget only the USA is locked in 18th century
mensuration - an unstated reason why it is so difficult for smaller
US industry to update to state of the art overseas machinery or
compete on overseas machine tool markets.  Alistair 

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To:
Cc:
Sent:Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:14:31 -0400
Subject:Re: [S-Trains] European S Gauge

 

----- Original Message -----
From: alizoo@... [1]
. . . . . . . . There was a fairly large French, East German, West
German
and Czekoslovakian S gauge toy industry.. . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
An interesting question. I think there is one of those near-S layouts
in
the Lansing MI area.

Is there any reason for French, Germans, Cheks, &c to create a model
railroad system to AC Gilbert specifications, or to base anything on
the
imperial measurements of 7/8 inch gauge or a scale of 3/16th inch to
the
foot? Could it just be a coincidence?

Another queston - are those European model trains models of standard
gauge
(4ft 8½ in or 1.435 meters) railroads? Or could they represent
narrow gauge
trains?

Try this. Assume a scale of 1:45 and figure out what meter gauge
would
work out to be in a toy train system. How close is it to S, 7/8 inch
gauge?

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan USA

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70666 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 10/16/2012
Subject: Re: European S Gauge
That should of course read 1/78. Alistair 

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To:
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Sent:Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:49:34 +1030
Subject:Re: [S-Trains] European S Gauge

 

Karl Bub attended a trade fair in Germany in 1949 where Gilbert S
was
on display - that is reputed to be where it started. Most of the
rolling stock is not S scale - as I said the Bub and JEP are nearer
00 - 78/1 and the others probably nominally 4 foot or even metre
gauge. ie Narrow. However some of the fancier Stadilm may be nearer
S scale as was the Czek stuff. Bottom line is they are toys just as
most of the later Gilbert stuff. Having said that the prairie loco
was not too bad and the little tanks, if you ignore the 0-4-0
chasses are a reasonable scale rep of their prototypes. I should add
that some of the later East German stuff had some innovation - you
would have seen the roadbus, they alsolate in the piece made a road
rail set complete with containers and matching tractor units. these
were pulled on the track by the Diesel switcher you can see on the
side track. As I said buildings of wood complemented the layout. I am
still wondering why I let mine go - can't collect and run everything!
A final note as to 7/8 inches it would never have crossed their
minds - dont forget only the USA is locked in 18th century
mensuration - an unstated reason why it is so difficult for smaller
US industry to update to state of the art overseas machinery or
compete on overseas machine tool markets.  Alistair 

----- Original Message -----
From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1]
To:
Cc:
Sent:Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:14:31 -0400
Subject:Re: [S-Trains] European S Gauge

 

----- Original Message -----
From: alizoo@... [2] [1]
. . . . . . . . There was a fairly large French, East German, West
German
and Czekoslovakian S gauge toy industry.. . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
An interesting question. I think there is one of those near-S layouts
in
the Lansing MI area.

Is there any reason for French, Germans, Cheks, &c to create a model
railroad system to AC Gilbert specifications, or to base anything on
the
imperial measurements of 7/8 inch gauge or a scale of 3/16th inch to
the
foot? Could it just be a coincidence?

Another queston - are those European model trains models of standard
gauge
(4ft 8½ in or 1.435 meters) railroads? Or could they represent
narrow gauge
trains?

Try this. Assume a scale of 1:45 and figure out what meter gauge
would
work out to be in a toy train system. How close is it to S, 7/8 inch
gauge?

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan USA

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70667 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 10/16/2012
Subject: Re: European S Gauge
Exactly. However, since the European gauges were said to be a bit wider, a scale of 1.75% would seem more appropriate. S-gauge is 1/64th scale (or 1.5625%), so ~56” between the tracks would be 0.875” or 22.225 mm. For 1.75% scale, that same 56” translates to 0.9275” or 23.5585 mm, or a difference of ~1.33 mm.



Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hawley
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 6:15 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] European S Gauge





----- Original Message -----
From: alizoo@... <mailto:alizoo%40kern.com.au>
. . . . . . . . There was a fairly large French, East German, West German
and Czekoslovakian S gauge toy industry.. . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
An interesting question. I think there is one of those near-S layouts in
the Lansing MI area.

Is there any reason for French, Germans, Cheks, &c to create a model
railroad system to AC Gilbert specifications, or to base anything on the
imperial measurements of 7/8 inch gauge or a scale of 3/16th inch to the
foot? Could it just be a coincidence?

Another queston - are those European model trains models of standard gauge
(4ft 8½ in or 1.435 meters) railroads? Or could they represent narrow gauge
trains?

Try this. Assume a scale of 1:45 and figure out what meter gauge would
work out to be in a toy train system. How close is it to S, 7/8 inch gauge?

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan USA





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70668 From: Alan Smith Date: 10/16/2012
Subject: Re: Epoxy Putty Question
U might want to try a product that works very well on A.F post war trains.
³Devcon Plastic Weld². It comes in a Siamese two tube applicator. U
force out the amount you need and reclose the applicator tubes. You can
sand, file or form it easily. It works to repair a split tank car. Once
set up you can work it down to a near perfect contour of the tank. I have
used the Devcon product to make major repairs on the plastic portions of S
scale AF trains with excellent results. You can build up missing corners and
catwalks and it holds up to use on a layout. Permatex now makes a similar
product but I have not tried it as yet. They are both a two part epoxy
product.

Devcon also made a product that was labeled ³Silver 500² it could be used
to form a bearing surface. --- Excellent product and I have used it on very
large industrial equipment where alignment was critical and a boring mill
was not in the cards. In such a application you waxed the shaft that was
to run in the Epoxy brgs. poured the form around the shaft and let it cure
for 10 hours. High precision guiding could be obtained with long life
expected as well.
Al
Doc_strains


On 10/15/12 10:53 PM, "boss31@..." <boss31@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> This is a huge can of worms question. There are as many opinions are there
> are products it seems. It all depends on what you intend to use it on. JB
> Weld is a popular one, but the very best is not available in small
> quantities. It's an industrial grade product called BEXANE. It has metal
> particles
> imbedded in it and will conduct electricity. It even sets up under water and
> is used on oil rigs, etc. I have been using it for about 15 years in all
> my train repairs that need that type of fix. The problem is buying it in the
> huge quantities they sell it in and the cost. I will never be able to use
> up the quantity I have in two lifetimes.
> Steve
> SnS Trains
>
> In a message dated 10/15/2012 6:05:18 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> rewilson_pe@... <mailto:rewilson_pe%40comcast.net> writes:
>
>
> Epoxy Putty Question: Following an announcement on this e-mail service, I
> ordered and received the latest edition of book on AF repairs by Thomas
> Barker. The author recommends your supply of repair tools and chemicals
> have some epoxy putty. I went to my neighborhood hardware store to buy such
> and found there are many different varieties of putty. Is there a preferred
> type or formulation? Thanks. Bob Wilson
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70669 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 10/16/2012
Subject: question on usng the devcon weld
I'm getting readt to fix a franklin engine and where the screw goes to hold on the cow catcher is broken. Instead of making a sold block that I have to drill and tap, I'm thinking of using the screw with some kind of release agent to build up the area then just screw the screw back out, sand it level and replace the cow catcher. DOes this seem feasable or is it easier to drill and tap afterwards? Or as My friend Dave suggested just weld the cow catcher in place? Any suggestions? Thanks, Chris
Group: S-Trains Message: 70670 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 10/16/2012
Subject: Start a club in Mason ohio area
Anyone interested in starting an s-gauge/s-scale club in the Mason Ohio area? Please contact me at Chrisandmhelburger@... Thanks, Chris
Group: S-Trains Message: 70671 From: Donald Keil Date: 10/16/2012
Subject: Re: Start a club in Mason ohio area
I wish you all the best. We started one here in Grand Rapids less then two years ago and now have 14 members and a very active club.
Don Keil



________________________________
From: Chrisandmhel Burger <chrisandmhelburger@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:36 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Start a club in Mason ohio area


 
Anyone interested in starting an s-gauge/s-scale club in the Mason Ohio area? Please contact me at Chrisandmhelburger@... Thanks, Chris




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70672 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 10/16/2012
Subject: Re: question on usng the devcon weld
Use a plastic, mixed drink straw.
 
 
 


--- On Tue, 10/16/12, Chrisandmhel Burger <chrisandmhelburger@...> wrote:


From: Chrisandmhel Burger <chrisandmhelburger@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] question on usng the devcon weld
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2012, 10:32 AM



 



I'm getting readt to fix a franklin engine and where the screw goes to hold on the cow catcher is broken. Instead of making a sold block that I have to drill and tap, I'm thinking of using the screw with some kind of release agent to build up the area then just screw the screw back out, sand it level and replace the cow catcher. DOes this seem feasable or is it easier to drill and tap afterwards? Or as My friend Dave suggested just weld the cow catcher in place? Any suggestions? Thanks, Chris








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Group: S-Trains Message: 70673 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/16/2012
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Yorkin
In a message dated 10/16/2012 5:03:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
toytrains@yahoogroups.com writes:

. Yorkin

Paul Herr & I crossed the Great Susquehanna River this AM, our intent to
view all York had to offer on a Tuesday. Best Western must have been the
place to sleep in, two guys were in the process of setting up, not much
else going on a 0830. On to Holidome, EASY to park there now, most of the
tables in the Banquet Hal were occupied, if not open. On the last aisle,
met the McCurdy Crew, both North & South Divisions, they mentioned the
Feeding Frenzy that occurred at Reliance the day before in the area known as
Jester's. Seems Fred's daughter, Amanda, had brought a trailer load up and
it mostly disappeared in a flash. MORE was brought up for today, less of a
frenzy, but, lots of activity. ALL kinds of stuff, mostly very reasonable
in CASH price. The real fun there will Thursday & Friday from 0800 to 2000
hours both days Bring Cash. there is an unconfirmed rumor that if & when
they actually empty all the places Fred had goodies stashed, Chester may
rise another foot above sea level. ONLY time will tell.
On to Dilly Dudd ( now Days Inn, referred to less than kindly by one train
collector resident ). ironically, e found our best deals there, WAIT til
you see the pics of the Diesels we bought. You will not believe what we
plan to do with them.
Last York Stop was Springettsbury Fire Co hall, presided over by Barry
King, American Flyer parts manufacturer, distributor, arranger of the Jester
Sale, etc.
On to DALLEE to pick up goodies for Wednesday's NTTM presentation (
Wardie Jay goodies were here, obviously ). For those of you who have NOT seen
the Choo Choo Barn layout, you'll want to view the NetVision pics I'll
have tomorrow from the presentation at NTTM, of one portion of the CCB layout.
Once again the genius of Tom Groff using the products designed & made
by DALLEE, I've seen them in action, you get to see phenominal pictures.
Paul & I will be at NTTM at 0645 tomorrow setting cones in preparation for
our last turn on the Parking Lot.
Paul, Mike Packi & I have been doing this since 2000, my knees are gone,
Mike has mobility issues, Paul is the "Energizer Bunny" we're wearing out.

Come on down to NTTM on Wed, join the fun, meet some new people, try the
donuts ( not bad, BTW ) OOOPS, I'm not supposed to know that.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70674 From: Al Date: 10/17/2012
Subject: Re: question on usng the devcon weld
There is an easier way to repair your cowcatcher. First, take the screw and put a small amount of vaseline around it making sure all the screw threads have been lightly coated. Then mix enough JB Weld, an epoxy mixture, and place some around the screw and the rest in the area where the screw goes to the correct depth to making it look like the original. Make sure you do not put more epoxy than necessary. Let set for about an hour. Then carefully unscrew the screw from the JB Weld that has hardened. The screw will now have a hardened threaded hole to crew the cowcatcher in with. I have used this technique to repair broken screw holes on Flyer engine shells and other shells. Works great.

Al Rawdon

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70675 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/17/2012
Subject: "Blue Ridge" Class Steam Loco, Virginian Railway DCC/Sound | Hornby
I saw this advertised in the new Great Model Railroads..

http://www.hornbyamerica.com/products/blue-ridge-class-steam-loco-virginian-railway-dcc-sound

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70676 From: Brady Date: 10/18/2012
Subject: Re: "Blue Ridge" Class Steam Loco, Virginian Railway DCC/Sound | Hor
A thousand pardons, I meant to send this to the VGN list..

Brady


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote:
>
> I saw this advertised in the new Great Model Railroads..
>
> http://www.hornbyamerica.com/products/blue-ridge-class-steam-loco-virginian-railway-dcc-sound
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70677 From: hclloydjr Date: 10/18/2012
Subject: Venderbilt Tender
I am looking for a Vanderbilt tender or tender shell for a reasonable price. If anyone has one they would like to part with, please contact me off list.
Thanks,
Harry Lloyd
Group: S-Trains Message: 70678 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/18/2012
Subject: Yorkin'
Thursday in YORK, the great Reunion continues. It IS nice to see old
friends, make new ones, LOTS of Vets are now wearing affiliation hats, LOVE that
one, need to get one. Most people recognized the Flag this time in Orange
Hall, anyway. Heard a few singing the Star Spangled Banner.

maybe a very special set of SHS diesels, LONG sought after and LONG out
of production
The diesels ARE on table N-11, they ARE SANTA FE "S" GAUGE A-B-B-A, made
by SHS, they are Chrome Plated, in the boxes, I have not removed then since
I got them many years ago.

Jim Lyle




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70679 From: Bob Date: 10/19/2012
Subject: Addition of AF Diesel Engines to my Website
Good afternoon S-Gaugers. Check my website at americanflyertrains4u.com for 3 additional diesel engines for your operation. I've included a custom made 21925/21925-1 Union Pacific Alco set; a 21922/21922-1 MoPac Alco set; and a brand new, never run, Nickel Plate Road G-9 in the box. Check the prices. Contact me for any questions on items. Thanks and have a great day and weekend ahead.

Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 70680 From: Matt Date: 10/19/2012
Subject: My apologies email account Hacked
My apologies to all on the list. I came home from work yesterday to find that my Yahoo account had been hack and was sending out Spam emails to my contacts ....this list being one of them. I have sent several hours addressing the issue and I hope that I have corrected things to prevent further problems. Once again my apologies.

Matt Ward
Group: S-Trains Message: 70681 From: trainnut2us Date: 10/20/2012
Subject: SHS Christmas Caboose
Anyone out there that is thining their collection I am looking for the 1998 SHS Christmas cobosse. Please respond off list .
Thanks,
Jim Siverling
Group: S-Trains Message: 70682 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/20/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/21/2012, 5:00 pm
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Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70683 From: trainnut2us Date: 10/21/2012
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Caboose
Thanks to all who replyed I have found an available unit.
Jim

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainnut2us" <b401999@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone out there that is thining their collection I am looking for the 1998 SHS Christmas cobosse. Please respond off list .
> Thanks,
> Jim Siverling
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70684 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/21/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/21/2012, 5:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Date:   Sunday October 21, 2012
Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




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Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70685 From: Brady Burdge Date: 10/21/2012
Subject: Train Collectors Association - Fall Open House 2012
The TCA Fall Open House videos are up.

Wardie Jay has a new jig for cutting Flyer track

Mike Wolfe announced the SHS deal, but since MTH had their truck and trailer stolen in Cleveland, anything he might have planned to show is probably gone..

http://www.youtube.com/user/TCANetvision?feature=watch

Brady

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70686 From: Timboy Date: 10/22/2012
Subject: It's A Start!
Friends,

I have been working a little on the basic benchwork and table top for my new layout. It's going slowly, but I am in no hurry. The table will measure 7X17. Here is a link to my blog where I have more detail and a couple pics:

http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Tim
Group: S-Trains Message: 70687 From: JOHN Date: 10/23/2012
Subject: Observation Car Chassis
There are some things with AF that I guess you just have to live with such as the camel back stock car, but has anyone found a remedy for the droopy observation car platform? I looked into previous posts and could not find any ideas. I am getting close to assembling my converted heavyweights to Polar Express cars and wanted to see if there was any fix to the observation car platform. Thanks to all who have shared their experiences in making PE cars in flyer. Special thanks to Portlines for the decals. They are looking good. Jack
Group: S-Trains Message: 70688 From: D.F. Smith Date: 10/23/2012
Subject: Re: Observation Car Chassis
I noticed that too, and as best as I can determine it results from the
holes in the chassis bottom not matching the attachments on the car.
When the bottom is attached the chassis pushes up the inner attachments
of the rear railing giving it a drooping appearance. I haven't done it
yet, but I would imagine that elongating the holes in the chassis toward
the rear of the chasis would allow the chassis to nest farther forward,
thus avoiding the push up on the rear railing.

Dale Smith

On 10/23/2012 5:31 AM, JOHN wrote:
>
> There are some things with AF that I guess you just have to live with
> such as the camel back stock car, but has anyone found a remedy for
> the droopy observation car platform? I looked into previous posts and
> could not find any ideas. I am getting close to assembling my
> converted heavyweights to Polar Express cars and wanted to see if
> there was any fix to the observation car platform. Thanks to all who
> have shared their experiences in making PE cars in flyer. Special
> thanks to Portlines for the decals. They are looking good. Jack
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70689 From: Brady Date: 10/23/2012
Subject: A little chrome..
Group: S-Trains Message: 70690 From: John Date: 10/23/2012
Subject: Re: It's A Start!
Looking forward to seeing your progress, as I'm slowly working on a similar size layout. I'm sure I'll get some good ideas. I have a 6x10 layout but am expanding it to a 6x 17 with a 4x 7 dog leg left , well really a 6x10, a 4x16 with a 6x3 connector between them, but it will function more like a 6x17 with an extension left.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
> Friends,
>
> I have been working a little on the basic benchwork and table top for my new layout. It's going slowly, but I am in no hurry. The table will measure 7X17. Here is a link to my blog where I have more detail and a couple pics:
>
> http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70691 From: Dale F. Smith Date: 10/23/2012
Subject: Re: A little chrome..
What a phenomenal photo. It is like a ghost from the past, but alive
today.

Dale
On 10/23/2012 12:22 PM, Brady wrote:
>
> http://www.railpictures.net/photo/411604
>
> Brady
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70692 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 10/23/2012
Subject: Fwd: {S-Scale List} S Scale Loco & Supply new stainless steel wheels
fyi, buyer beware

Begin forwarded message:

> From: kerhart@...
> Date: October 23, 2012 5:05:26 PM PDT
> To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale Loco & Supply new stainless
> steel wheels
> Reply-To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
>
> Let me warn any individuals of doing business with LBR Photo Cards,
> LBR Enterprises and Dave Benson. They "advertise" regularly on the
> S Trains site and offer to make custom decals and custom parts for
> AF. I find it interesting that their "machine shop" is willing to
> make custom wheels for members of this S Scale group as I sent them
> two Hudsons ten months ago for box pok and scullin drivers. After a
> few months, I checked on the progress and was told that they were
> sent off-center wheels and were waiting for a new shipment. In
> April, I was told they were finishing the job that week, and they
> would be shipped the next week. After two weeks, I asked for an
> update, and they have refused to respond to multiple emails and
> voice mails. I contacted the Kentucky State Attorney's Office and
> the Louisville Better Business Bureau. I was told that I am not the
> first to inquire and complain about this company. I received an
> email from the Louisville BBB on October 17, 2012 closing the case
> because LBR and Dave Benson refuse to respond to my complaint. "The
> BBB has made several attempts to resolve your complaint filed
> against LBR Enterprises LLC. Your BBB receives the cooperation of
> the majority of firms when working with customer problems.
> Sometimes, however, we encounter a company that simply refuses to
> cooperate." This has been a most frustrating experience because
> they refuse to communicate and explain what difficulty that they
> are having in completing my order. I am out two Hudsons and $259.
> Add insult to injury, I saw a Hudson very similar to mine that LBR
> had listed on eBay. I offer all of you a word of caution. I
> certainly would have appreciated a heads up before I got involved
> with them.
>
> Keith Erhart
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "LBR Photo Cards, Dave" <reujan2000@...>
> To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:07:10 PM
> Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale Loco & Supply new stainless
> steel wheels
>
> All,
> If you will give us the specs our machine shop will probably be
> interested in making wheels.
> Please contact us off list.
> LBR
>
> --- On Tue, 10/23/12, John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote:
>
> From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
> Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale Loco & Supply new stainless
> steel wheels
> To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 4:39 PM
>
> HEAR HEAR!!!
>
> Finally, Ed... something you and I agree on! Imagine that.
>
> <G>
>
> John Degnan
> Scaler164@...
> Scaler187@...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed
> To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 01:47 PM
> Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale Loco & Supply new stainless
> steel wheels
>
> Why oh why could not the small community of S scale guys work out a
> standard size/shape to make things easier for everyone? Maybe use
> the NMRA specs as a starting point.....??
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70693 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/24/2012
Subject: HackerCrap
In this age of glued together terms, HackerCrap is my new term for the attacks of SPAMMERS on our computers. I'm sure everyone who is on Yahoo Groups is well aware of Hackers hi-jacking various member's e-mail address lists and using them to send SPAM. This is a growing problem on all Yahoo Groups.

Hi-jacking e-mails to spread SPAM (Adware, Spyware, and so on) has become such a computer security problem that you MUST have good security programs in your computer and keep them up to date. Even more important is using your head and be vigilant when going through your e-mail or reading the posts on Yahoo groups.

Open nothing with a title line of "Hi" or "no subject" or other generic title. Don't fall for lines like "You have to see this" even if it comes from someone you trust, because they probably have been hacked and hi-jacked. Not only that, but they are probably not even aware that it has happened!

I don't do Facebook because of the many Hackers feeding off it, but HackerCrap has become bad enough on Yahoo that I have cut back on my use of all Groups and left two completely, one trains and one auto racing.

It's sad that such a useful tool and method of contact between hobbyists is being perverted this way. Our S Trains Moderators are doing a pretty good job on this front, but we must be smart too. Curbing the spread of HackerCrap is up to all of us!
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70694 From: Warren Chadbourne Date: 10/24/2012
Subject: Re: Fwd: {S-Scale List} S Scale Loco & Supply new stainless steel wh
I'm sorry that I feel like I need to reply to this post, but I do. I
sent LBR two Hiawatha shells to be made into operable engines SIX years
ago and have not received them back yet. I was told they were sent back
a long time ago, then that they were found and would be sent on
September 10th. I still am waiting. I guess my next move will be legal
council.
Warren (Bud) Chadbourne
Group: S-Trains Message: 70695 From: Alan Lambert Date: 10/24/2012
Subject: Re: HackerCrap
From: Alan Lambert
          Fort Worth, Texas
 
Stumpy,
 
that is why I have a spam folder in my e-mail. Almost gets it all before it gets to my in box but I also like you said look for "Hi"; "no subject", and " You have to see this". It is "ALL" spam. Some times I look in my spam folder and find Good e-mails that were caught as spam, but I knew who they were from.
               Alan Lambert



________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 6:56 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] HackerCrap


 

In this age of glued together terms, HackerCrap is my new term for the attacks of SPAMMERS on our computers. I'm sure everyone who is on Yahoo Groups is well aware of Hackers hi-jacking various member's e-mail address lists and using them to send SPAM. This is a growing problem on all Yahoo Groups.

Hi-jacking e-mails to spread SPAM (Adware, Spyware, and so on) has become such a computer security problem that you MUST have good security programs in your computer and keep them up to date. Even more important is using your head and be vigilant when going through your e-mail or reading the posts on Yahoo groups.

Open nothing with a title line of "Hi" or "no subject" or other generic title. Don't fall for lines like "You have to see this" even if it comes from someone you trust, because they probably have been hacked and hi-jacked. Not only that, but they are probably not even aware that it has happened!

I don't do Facebook because of the many Hackers feeding off it, but HackerCrap has become bad enough on Yahoo that I have cut back on my use of all Groups and left two completely, one trains and one auto racing.

It's sad that such a useful tool and method of contact between hobbyists is being perverted this way. Our S Trains Moderators are doing a pretty good job on this front, but we must be smart too. Curbing the spread of HackerCrap is up to all of us!
Stumpy in Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70696 From: Steve Lunde Date: 10/24/2012
Subject: Fall S Fest
Hello All,

Just over one week until Fall S Fest at the Milwaukee Marriott West in Waukesha, WI. November 2nd thru 4th. We have a great rate of $85 at the Marriott. Reservations will be accepted through October 28th.

This is going to be a great event. We have clinics on DCC, TMCC, Fast Track turnouts, AF Repair, how to make a Transfer Caboose in S, and what to do with that last 50 feet, a scenery clinic by Dave Jasper.

Saturday evenings banquet with guest speaker Bob Ristow and his presentation "How long does it take to make a steam locomotive", still has a few openings.

On Sunday the 4th we have no less than 7 home layout for you self guided tour.

For more information visit our web site : www.trainweb.org/bsg or e-mail my self or call:
262-574-1086.

Hope to see you all in Waukesha.

Sincerely,

Steve Lunde
2012 S Fest Chairman


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70697 From: Brady Date: 10/25/2012
Subject: December MR
The December Model Railroader has a few articles on coal facilities..a few possible destinations for those hoppers that keep going around in circles..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILL2KptoGHs&feature=g-all-u



Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 70698 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/25/2012
Subject: Fwd: RE: Main Contact form
Hi all:
A few days ago, I did as Ed L. suggested (went to the MTH website, made
a product suggestion). Here is the answer to my request for higher
numbered turnouts (higher than #3/4).
get the suggestions in.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Main Contact form
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:07:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: kirstin@...
To: Model Trains That Do More <rvelapoldi@...>



Thank you for your suggestion about our future product lines. We're
always happy to hear from our customers, so we know what you want and
can continue to provide the variety of interesting products people ask
for. As you may know, we get many of our ideas from folks like you who
take the time to write in and tell us what you want. We've put your
request with others for our marketing and product development teams to
evaluate when planning future product lines. Keep an eye on upcoming
catalogs - you may see what you’ve asked for in the future! Please feel
free to contact me with any other questions or concerns you may have.

Kirstin Martinez

MTH Electric Trains

-----Original Message-----
From: "Model Trains That Do More" <rvelapoldi@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:39pm
To: kirstin@...
Subject: Main Contact form

Submitted on Sunday, October 21, 2012 - 18:17
Submitted by user:
Submitted values are:

Name: Rance Velapoldi
Email Address: rvelapoldi@...
Subject of your Email: Product Suggestion
Your message:





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70699 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/27/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/28/2012, 5:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday October 28, 2012
Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group

Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats: This event repeats every week.
Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM
 
Copyright © 2012  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: S-Trains Message: 70700 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/28/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/28/2012, 5:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday October 28, 2012
Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group

Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats: This event repeats every week.
Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM
 
Copyright © 2012  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: S-Trains Message: 70701 From: David Date: 10/28/2012
Subject: AF Steam Eng. DW Hub Removal Tool
LBR Enterprises, llc (a national company) now offer our clients,
present and future, this Wheel Hub Removal Tool for AMERICAN FLYER (1946
- 1966) steam engines (and for 0-8-0 or 0-6-0). Instructions included
with this tool make it possible for all skill level hobbyist to get a
professional job removing wheel hubs & insulators from the rim without
damage. Instructions are furnished with each tool. THESE TOOLS ARE
CUSTOM MADE WHEN ORDERED. PLEASE ALLOW 14-21 DAYS FOR DELIVERY
Please view at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html>

"2 Piece Tool w/ Instructions Only Are For Sale"





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70702 From: ericrhere@gmail.com Date: 10/28/2012
Subject: More items For Sale
I need some room and these are not going to make it to the layout if I want to keep trains running around it. Make me an offer, thanks.

Pictures in the Yahoo groups files under Erics stuff for Sale !

1. SHS 01502 Maine Central SW( engine 2004 Christmas engine All new, no manual. $200
2. SHS 01173 Canadian National Panelside hopper New in box $35
3. SHS 01171 Anderson panelside hopper new in box $35
4. SHS 01899 Fehr Brewing Refer car. New in box $50
5. Rusti-Downs boxcar Great Northern Blue, replacement floor, SHS or AM trucks, Kadees, $40
6. Rusti-Downs boxcar Great Northern Red, replacement floor, SHS or AM trucks, Kadees, $40
7. Rusti-Downs boxcar Great Northern Brown, replacement floor, SHS or AM trucks, Kadees, $40
8. Rusti-Downs Refer Great Northern western fruit express, replacement floor, SHS or AM trucks, Kadees, $40
9. American models GN 11082 box car sprung couplers $30
10. American models NP 25504 box car sprung couplers $30
11. American models BN 10118 Caboose $30
12. Flyer GN green 24022 refer car ace floor, SHS or AM couplers, Kadees, $30
13. Red LTI Flyer box car for 94 NASG Meet? ace floor, SHS or AM couplers, Kadees, $30
14. Yellow Flyer GN refer I believe this is a KRIS model, ace floor, SHS or AM couplers, Kadees, $30
15. Blue Flyer caboose Painted GN no couplers original sheet metal floor and trucks no box .$20



The Rusti-Downs Cars I actually bought from Russ Downs at the TCA National meet in 1989 in Valley Forge, PA. Very well done painting and lettering.

I think Everything has an original box .everything has Flyer compatible wheels and Kadee couplers except for the NIB SHS stuff which is set up as SHS sold them. I can swap out for Knuckle couplers on anything if you wish, I can swap out to the scale wheels if you wish. Let me know. MAKE AN OFFER ON ANYTHING!!

Shipping should be about $8 for one. About $11 for 2 or more.

Make me an offer on any or all of it….Paypal, Postal money order, check all work.

Eric Reis
Kenmore, WA.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70703 From: Alan Lambert Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Hurricane Sandy
Texas Oncor utility is sending help. I hope for the best from this and I hope the trains afere safe if thats possible.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70704 From: David Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller (Advertisement)
This special order "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller will be ready to
order in approx. 10 days from today. There will be a 7 - 14 working day
delay in shipping your new drive wheel puller as these are produced when
ordered and not before. This one of a kind wheel puller will certainly
become the industry standard for the "S" gage community. Although made
for AMERICAN FLYER steamers it will work on many, many other brands.
This "HEAVY DUTY PULLER" should be the last one you will ever need.
A photo and price will be following in a few days. Thank you all for
your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70705 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: BUYER BEWARE
BUYER BEWARE, BUYER BEWARE, BUYER BEWARE

Begin forwarded message:

> From: kerhart@...
> Date: October 29, 2012 10:11:30 AM PDT
> To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller
> (Advertisement)
> Reply-To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
>
> To "The Crew at LBR":
>
> Who actually comprises "The Crew"? I thought that we were suppose
> to sign our first and last names to each entry. I am concerned that
> my friends on these lists are going to get stuck like me after they
> purchase from you and have a problem. What is your street address
> instead of your P.O. Box number so that we can file a small claims
> suit or drive to your "business" and retrieve our trains and money?
> I have personally sent to you at least 50 emails and voice mails to
> which you refuse to respond. When you return my money and two
> Hudsons, I will let the good people on these lists know that you
> have done so. Until then, I will continue to warn them of what
> happens when they deal with "The Crew at LBR"!
>
> Keith Erhart
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David" <reujan2000@...>
> To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:07:21 AM
> Subject: {S-Scale List} "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller
> (Advertisement)
>
> This special order "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller will be
> ready to order in approx. 10 days from today. There will be a 7 -
> 14 working day delay in shipping your new drive wheel puller as
> these are produced when ordered and not before. This one of a kind
> wheel puller will certainly become the industry standard for the
> "S" gage community. Although made for AMERICAN FLYER steamers it
> will work on many, many other brands. This "HEAVY DUTY PULLER"
> should be the last one you will ever need.
> A photo and price will be following in a few days.
> Thank you all for your continuing support.
>
> "The Crew At LBR"
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70706 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Re: BUYER BEWARE
Funny how the ads continue but no response to complaints. If you are going to use the list to promote your business rhen it should be a suitable venue to address issues as well

Sent from my iPod

On Oct 29, 2012, at 1:24 PM, "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> wrote:

> BUYER BEWARE, BUYER BEWARE, BUYER BEWARE
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: kerhart@...
> > Date: October 29, 2012 10:11:30 AM PDT
> > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller
> > (Advertisement)
> > Reply-To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > To "The Crew at LBR":
> >
> > Who actually comprises "The Crew"? I thought that we were suppose
> > to sign our first and last names to each entry. I am concerned that
> > my friends on these lists are going to get stuck like me after they
> > purchase from you and have a problem. What is your street address
> > instead of your P.O. Box number so that we can file a small claims
> > suit or drive to your "business" and retrieve our trains and money?
> > I have personally sent to you at least 50 emails and voice mails to
> > which you refuse to respond. When you return my money and two
> > Hudsons, I will let the good people on these lists know that you
> > have done so. Until then, I will continue to warn them of what
> > happens when they deal with "The Crew at LBR"!
> >
> > Keith Erhart
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David" <reujan2000@...>
> > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:07:21 AM
> > Subject: {S-Scale List} "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller
> > (Advertisement)
> >
> > This special order "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller will be
> > ready to order in approx. 10 days from today. There will be a 7 -
> > 14 working day delay in shipping your new drive wheel puller as
> > these are produced when ordered and not before. This one of a kind
> > wheel puller will certainly become the industry standard for the
> > "S" gage community. Although made for AMERICAN FLYER steamers it
> > will work on many, many other brands. This "HEAVY DUTY PULLER"
> > should be the last one you will ever need.
> > A photo and price will be following in a few days.
> > Thank you all for your continuing support.
> >
> > "The Crew At LBR"
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70707 From: Herbert Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Re: BUYER BEWARE
Until I see an explanation, I will no longer recommend them to anyone.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> wrote:
>
> BUYER BEWARE, BUYER BEWARE, BUYER BEWARE
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: kerhart@...
> > Date: October 29, 2012 10:11:30 AM PDT
> > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller
> > (Advertisement)
> > Reply-To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > To "The Crew at LBR":
> >
> > Who actually comprises "The Crew"? I thought that we were suppose
> > to sign our first and last names to each entry. I am concerned that
> > my friends on these lists are going to get stuck like me after they
> > purchase from you and have a problem. What is your street address
> > instead of your P.O. Box number so that we can file a small claims
> > suit or drive to your "business" and retrieve our trains and money?
> > I have personally sent to you at least 50 emails and voice mails to
> > which you refuse to respond. When you return my money and two
> > Hudsons, I will let the good people on these lists know that you
> > have done so. Until then, I will continue to warn them of what
> > happens when they deal with "The Crew at LBR"!
> >
> > Keith Erhart
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David" <reujan2000@...>
> > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:07:21 AM
> > Subject: {S-Scale List} "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller
> > (Advertisement)
> >
> > This special order "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller will be
> > ready to order in approx. 10 days from today. There will be a 7 -
> > 14 working day delay in shipping your new drive wheel puller as
> > these are produced when ordered and not before. This one of a kind
> > wheel puller will certainly become the industry standard for the
> > "S" gage community. Although made for AMERICAN FLYER steamers it
> > will work on many, many other brands. This "HEAVY DUTY PULLER"
> > should be the last one you will ever need.
> > A photo and price will be following in a few days.
> > Thank you all for your continuing support.
> >
> > "The Crew At LBR"
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70708 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Re: LBR
Here is some more info about LBR. I normally wouldn't share this, but they
have had time to respond & they haven't: They keep running ads but don't
respond.

(502) 292-1872
12111 Springmeadow Ln,Goshen,KY40026

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70709 From: Peter Junger Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Re: BUYER BEWARE
The answer is quite simple:

The Moderator of this group can revoke this members permission to Post messages, remove or Ban the member and prevent them from uploading files to the site.

If one of the moderators would like to do this, I would be happy to walk him or her through the steps.

I'll also email several of the moderators.

sanpedroflyer



On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Herbert wrote:

> Until I see an explanation, I will no longer recommend them to anyone.
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> wrote:
> >
> > BUYER BEWARE, BUYER BEWARE, BUYER BEWARE
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > > From: kerhart@...
> > > Date: October 29, 2012 10:11:30 AM PDT
> > > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller
> > > (Advertisement)
> > > Reply-To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > To "The Crew at LBR":
> > >
> > > Who actually comprises "The Crew"? I thought that we were suppose
> > > to sign our first and last names to each entry. I am concerned that
> > > my friends on these lists are going to get stuck like me after they
> > > purchase from you and have a problem. What is your street address
> > > instead of your P.O. Box number so that we can file a small claims
> > > suit or drive to your "business" and retrieve our trains and money?
> > > I have personally sent to you at least 50 emails and voice mails to
> > > which you refuse to respond. When you return my money and two
> > > Hudsons, I will let the good people on these lists know that you
> > > have done so. Until then, I will continue to warn them of what
> > > happens when they deal with "The Crew at LBR"!
> > >
> > > Keith Erhart
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David" <reujan2000@...>
> > > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:07:21 AM
> > > Subject: {S-Scale List} "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller
> > > (Advertisement)
> > >
> > > This special order "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller will be
> > > ready to order in approx. 10 days from today. There will be a 7 -
> > > 14 working day delay in shipping your new drive wheel puller as
> > > these are produced when ordered and not before. This one of a kind
> > > wheel puller will certainly become the industry standard for the
> > > "S" gage community. Although made for AMERICAN FLYER steamers it
> > > will work on many, many other brands. This "HEAVY DUTY PULLER"
> > > should be the last one you will ever need.
> > > A photo and price will be following in a few days.
> > > Thank you all for your continuing support.
> > >
> > > "The Crew At LBR"
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: S-Trains Message: 70710 From: kerhart@frontier.com Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Re: BUYER BEWARE
Herbert, Bob, Mike, and Tom,

Thank you for your research, advice and support. I recently contacted my postmaster and was told that the post office could only check to see if the money order was cashed. I will press my postmaster to pursue mail fraud action against them. LBR, wouldn't it be much simpler and better for your business to contact me and resolve this situation by fulfilling your end of this contract?

Keith Erhart


----- Original Message -----
From: "Herbert" <hwass@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:39:19 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: BUYER BEWARE






Until I see an explanation, I will no longer recommend them to anyone.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> wrote:
>
> BUYER BEWARE, BUYER BEWARE, BUYER BEWARE
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: kerhart@...
> > Date: October 29, 2012 10:11:30 AM PDT
> > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller
> > (Advertisement)
> > Reply-To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > To "The Crew at LBR":
> >
> > Who actually comprises "The Crew"? I thought that we were suppose
> > to sign our first and last names to each entry. I am concerned that
> > my friends on these lists are going to get stuck like me after they
> > purchase from you and have a problem. What is your street address
> > instead of your P.O. Box number so that we can file a small claims
> > suit or drive to your "business" and retrieve our trains and money?
> > I have personally sent to you at least 50 emails and voice mails to
> > which you refuse to respond. When you return my money and two
> > Hudsons, I will let the good people on these lists know that you
> > have done so. Until then, I will continue to warn them of what
> > happens when they deal with "The Crew at LBR"!
> >
> > Keith Erhart
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David" <reujan2000@...>
> > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:07:21 AM
> > Subject: {S-Scale List} "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller
> > (Advertisement)
> >
> > This special order "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller will be
> > ready to order in approx. 10 days from today. There will be a 7 -
> > 14 working day delay in shipping your new drive wheel puller as
> > these are produced when ordered and not before. This one of a kind
> > wheel puller will certainly become the industry standard for the
> > "S" gage community. Although made for AMERICAN FLYER steamers it
> > will work on many, many other brands. This "HEAVY DUTY PULLER"
> > should be the last one you will ever need.
> > A photo and price will be following in a few days.
> > Thank you all for your continuing support.
> >
> > "The Crew At LBR"
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70711 From: Peter Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Re: BUYER BEWARE--Solution is Quite Simple
The member who Posts as "The Crew At LBR" (reujan2000) has cheated several members by not doing what he has promised to do and failing to respond to emails and only using a P.O Box so no one can contact him.

Any moderator of this Group, has the power to correct this problem.

It is quite simple:

Any Moderator or Owner of this group can revoke this member's permission to Post Messages, Remove or Ban the member and prevent them from uploading files to the site.

If one of the moderators would like to do this, I would be happy to walk him or her through the steps.

I'll also email several of the moderators.

sanpedroflyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 70712 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Fwd: {S-Scale List} LBR Enterprises -- street address
Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Ed" <Loizeaux@...>
> Date: October 29, 2012 3:46:18 PM PDT
> To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: {S-Scale List} LBR Enterprises -- street address
> Reply-To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
>
> LBR Enterprises, LLC
> 12111 Springmeadow Lane
> Goshen, KY 40026
> (502) 292-1872
>
> > What is your street address
> > Keith Erhart
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70713 From: kerhart@frontier.com Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: Fwd: {S-Scale List} LBR Enterprises -- street address
Mel, Peter and Mike,

Thanks for the street address and your support. I have had LBR's phone number for about one year. Before I sent them my two Hudsons and a postal money order in early February, I had several phone conversations with Dave Benson in November, December and January to figure out exactly what work I would be receiving on my two locomotives. I was responding to specials that he was advertising on this S Trains website for Box Pok and Scullen drivers. Whenever I would call to discuss the work, he always answered the phone or called me back soon afterwards. In February and March, he said that he was busy with other customers, but I was next on his list. Then he stated that he was receiving off-center drivers from his machinist. Finally, in early April, he said that he would finish that week and ship the following week. When I did not receive the delivery, I have been calling and emailing every few days for the last six months. Before I sent him my money and locomotives, he was very communicative. The last six months, he refuses to answer. Thanks again for your help and advice.

Keith Erhart

----- Original Message -----
From: clipper841@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 7:26:01 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Fwd: {S-Scale List} LBR Enterprises -- street address








Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Ed" < Loizeaux@... >
> Date: October 29, 2012 3:46:18 PM PDT
> To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: {S-Scale List} LBR Enterprises -- street address
> Reply-To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
>
> LBR Enterprises, LLC
> 12111 Springmeadow Lane
> Goshen, KY 40026
> (502) 292-1872
>
> > What is your street address
> > Keith Erhart
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70714 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: BUYER BEWARE
to: the group moderator
considering the complaints and charges concerning this individual/
company, the question
is, why this individual/company is being allowed to continue to run
his scam?
mel perry

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FROM A MODERATOR:

HE HAS BEEN SUSPENDED.

IT IS SAD BECAUSE HE DID OFFER SOME NICE PRODUCTS FOR S GAUGE.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70715 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: BUYER BEWARE
I have to agree with Peter. It is time to get rid of Dave and LBR. I am
sick and tired of his ads and have been concerned about how he failed to
resolve Keith's situation. Since it was several weeks ago when Keith
first let us all know of his problems with LBR and since I hadn't
contacted Keith lately, I wasn't absolutely sure that Dave hadn't dealt
with the issue. I am sure Keith would have let us know if he had, but
still, I couldn't be sure. With this latest confirmation that Dave
has continued to ignore Keith, the time has come to ban Dave Benson.
Continuing to allow him to post ads on this list is tantamount to aiding
and abetting his fraud.

If I have got this wrong, Dave, you have no one but yourself to thank
for this by failing to communicate with Keith and not telling us your
side of the story. Your ???????? response several weeks ago was rude
and indicated to me that you really didn't care.

Dale Smith

On 10/29/2012 5:11 PM, kerhart@... wrote:
>
> Herbert, Bob, Mike, and Tom,
>
> Thank you for your research, advice and support. I recently contacted
> my postmaster and was told that the post office could only check to
> see if the money order was cashed. I will press my postmaster to
> pursue mail fraud action against them. LBR, wouldn't it be much
> simpler and better for your business to contact me and resolve this
> situation by fulfilling your end of this contract?
>
> Keith Erhart
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herbert" <hwass@... <mailto:hwass%40hotmail.com>>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:39:19 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: BUYER BEWARE
>
> Until I see an explanation, I will no longer recommend them to anyone.
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> wrote:
> >
> > BUYER BEWARE, BUYER BEWARE, BUYER BEWARE
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > > From: kerhart@...
> > > Date: October 29, 2012 10:11:30 AM PDT
> > > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller
> > > (Advertisement)
> > > Reply-To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > To "The Crew at LBR":
> > >
> > > Who actually comprises "The Crew"? I thought that we were suppose
> > > to sign our first and last names to each entry. I am concerned that
> > > my friends on these lists are going to get stuck like me after they
> > > purchase from you and have a problem. What is your street address
> > > instead of your P.O. Box number so that we can file a small claims
> > > suit or drive to your "business" and retrieve our trains and money?
> > > I have personally sent to you at least 50 emails and voice mails to
> > > which you refuse to respond. When you return my money and two
> > > Hudsons, I will let the good people on these lists know that you
> > > have done so. Until then, I will continue to warn them of what
> > > happens when they deal with "The Crew at LBR"!
> > >
> > > Keith Erhart
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David" <reujan2000@...>
> > > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:07:21 AM
> > > Subject: {S-Scale List} "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller
> > > (Advertisement)
> > >
> > > This special order "S" Steam Engine Drive Wheel Puller will be
> > > ready to order in approx. 10 days from today. There will be a 7 -
> > > 14 working day delay in shipping your new drive wheel puller as
> > > these are produced when ordered and not before. This one of a kind
> > > wheel puller will certainly become the industry standard for the
> > > "S" gage community. Although made for AMERICAN FLYER steamers it
> > > will work on many, many other brands. This "HEAVY DUTY PULLER"
> > > should be the last one you will ever need.
> > > A photo and price will be following in a few days.
> > > Thank you all for your continuing support.
> > >
> > > "The Crew At LBR"
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70716 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: The LBR situation
I too find this situation sad and distressing. I have purchased kit bashing parts, smoke fluid, and decals from Dave at LBR. All were very good quality. I always got quick service with no problems.

The trouble may be with the services offered, not the products for sale. It would be interesting to know if the problems are widespread or uncommon, and if they are limited to the service end of the business.

However, he should reply to inquiries from those involved about these incidents and post an explanation, even if it is just on his Yahoo Group. The future of his business and his reputation hangs in the balance.

I'd hate to see the products he offers disappear. I'm a satisfied customer, waiting to see what develops from all this.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70717 From: David Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: The Erhart Hudson Matter
To All,

Here is what happened on our end:

Our records indicated that monies were owed for the work on the 2
Hudsons. We have decided to ship the completed Hudsons in our regular
shipping cycle on 11-07-2012 and mark the project paid in full and
account closed. This will fulfill any and all of our obligation in this
matter.

Thank you all for your understanding in this matter. We will watch our
records more closley in future to be sure this never happens again.

Always remember that the people that never make mistakes are the people
that never do anything.



Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc
Group: S-Trains Message: 70718 From: Alan Smith Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: The LBR situation
Hum,

I am very perplexed at this situation. There has to be more to the story
than is noted in the comments from Keith. I have bought and sold Items to
LBR . He has helped me with engines and items for my layout with excellent
service and delivery. I have nothing but high regard for him.

I hope he can reply to this situation soon and end the dilemma.

Doc¹s American flyer in Ohio


On 10/30/12 8:42 AM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> I too find this situation sad and distressing. I have purchased kit bashing
> parts, smoke fluid, and decals from Dave at LBR. All were very good quality.
> I always got quick service with no problems.
>
> The trouble may be with the services offered, not the products for sale. It
> would be interesting to know if the problems are widespread or uncommon, and
> if they are limited to the service end of the business.
>
> However, he should reply to inquiries from those involved about these
> incidents and post an explanation, even if it is just on his Yahoo Group. The
> future of his business and his reputation hangs in the balance.
>
> I'd hate to see the products he offers disappear. I'm a satisfied customer,
> waiting to see what develops from all this.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70719 From: wjchadbourne Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: BUYER BEWARE
Many times in the past, I have purchased items from LBR and been
completely happy with their products. For some reason they are now
being hard to deal with. I to have called this number many times only
to not have it not be answered. I just want my Hiawatha engine and
tender shells returned to me. It's now been SIX years. I would love to
hear from them and have an explanation.
If not, Maybe several of should go together as a class action suit
instead of small claims court. My loss is at least $400.00 or more as
these shells are no longer available.
The problem with banning them from this site is that we will never know
if they tried to explain and make it right. I for one do not want them
to go out of business as they do produce some great products, but I do
want them to live up to their responsibilities.
Warren (Bud) Chadbourne
Group: S-Trains Message: 70720 From: Carey Probst Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Fwd: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] What's going on?
Dave's answer from another list.

The interesting line in the whole issue is Dave's "Forgive any moneys
owed to us" Was he waiting for the final payment which could explain a lot.

Carey

Carey Probst

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] What's going on?
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave <reujan2000@...>
Reply-To: AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com
To: AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com



*Stumpy,*
*The long and short of the matter is that we have decided to forgive any
monies owed to us and ship Erhart's finished Hudsons back to him in our
regular shipping cycle on 11-07-2012. We have also contacted Bill Lane
with the same info. for all to see. This should put this matter to rest.
Notice I said "SHOULD PUT THIS TO REST", but you know how some of the
folks on that blog enjoy flogging a dead horse.*
*Dave*


--- On *Tue, 10/30/12, mrstumpy50 /<mrstumpy@...>/* wrote:


From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
Subject: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] What's going on?
To: AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 30, 2012, 8:53 AM

I'm sure everyone has become aware of the complaining going on over
on the S-Trains Yahoo Group. I am a satisfied customer of LBR kit
bashing parts, decals, and smoke fluid. I have not used any of the
"services" available at LBR.

It appears that the problems are limited to the "service" end of the
business, and I would hate to see the parts and such vanish because
of problems in the service department.

I feel that a logical explanation would go a long way toward
settling the issues because the business and the reputation of LBR
and Dave is at stake. In this case, "silence is NOT golden."
Stumpy in Ahia



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Yahoo! Groups Links



AFPARTSANDPIECES-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
<http://us.mc1621.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=AFPARTSANDPIECES-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70721 From: Bill Porter Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: The LBR situation
Right on there Stumpy. Your experiences mirror my own. The fix-it
business is always tough to manage and is prone to optimistic forecasts
and pessimistic results. One key thing for any business is to keep on
communicating no matter what happens. Closing those lines of
communication is the road to certain defeat.

Bill (Happy to have dodged Sandy and her cousins)

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 10/30/2012 8:42 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
> I too find this situation sad and distressing. I have purchased kit bashing parts, smoke fluid, and decals from Dave at LBR. All were very good quality. I always got quick service with no problems.
>
> The trouble may be with the services offered, not the products for sale. It would be interesting to know if the problems are widespread or uncommon, and if they are limited to the service end of the business.
>
> However, he should reply to inquiries from those involved about these incidents and post an explanation, even if it is just on his Yahoo Group. The future of his business and his reputation hangs in the balance.
>
> I'd hate to see the products he offers disappear. I'm a satisfied customer, waiting to see what develops from all this.
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70722 From: Steven Allen Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: The LBR situation
I agree with Stumpy, I have always had super results with the decal side of the business. Only disappointment I had was I sent in some drawings for some reefer decals, was told it would take a week or two to add, and that was over 6 months ago. On the flip side, I asked him to do a set of decals for a tank car, and they were done in 4 days. As previously stated, communication is the key. From my 35 years of experience in the insurance business, one unanswered phone call, doubled the calls next day, and 1 dissatified customer will result in 10 people hearing about the poor service and/or communication. LBR has great products and I hope all can work through these difficulties to the satisfaction of everyone.

Steve

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Right on there Stumpy. Your experiences mirror my own. The fix-it
> business is always tough to manage and is prone to optimistic forecasts
> and pessimistic results. One key thing for any business is to keep on
> communicating no matter what happens. Closing those lines of
> communication is the road to certain defeat.
>
> Bill (Happy to have dodged Sandy and her cousins)
>
> Bill Porter
> South Florida
> wpporter.duckburg.us
>
> On 10/30/2012 8:42 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
> > I too find this situation sad and distressing. I have purchased kit bashing parts, smoke fluid, and decals from Dave at LBR. All were very good quality. I always got quick service with no problems.
> >
> > The trouble may be with the services offered, not the products for sale. It would be interesting to know if the problems are widespread or uncommon, and if they are limited to the service end of the business.
> >
> > However, he should reply to inquiries from those involved about these incidents and post an explanation, even if it is just on his Yahoo Group. The future of his business and his reputation hangs in the balance.
> >
> > I'd hate to see the products he offers disappear. I'm a satisfied customer, waiting to see what develops from all this.
> > Stumpy in Ahia
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70723 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: BUYER BEWARE
dave:
perhaps you wish to address this matter also? i mean six years is a
little abnormal?
mel perry

Begin forwarded message:

> From: wjchadbourne <wjchadbourne@...>
> Date: October 30, 2012 7:33:07 AM PDT
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: BUYER BEWARE
> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>
> Many times in the past, I have purchased items from LBR and been
> completely happy with their products. For some reason they are now
> being hard to deal with. I to have called this number many times only
> to not have it not be answered. I just want my Hiawatha engine and
> tender shells returned to me. It's now been SIX years. I would love to
> hear from them and have an explanation.
> If not, Maybe several of should go together as a class action suit
> instead of small claims court. My loss is at least $400.00 or more as
> these shells are no longer available.
> The problem with banning them from this site is that we will never
> know
> if they tried to explain and make it right. I for one do not want them
> to go out of business as they do produce some great products, but I do
> want them to live up to their responsibilities.
> Warren (Bud) Chadbourne
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70724 From: Alan Lambert Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: The Erhart Hudson Matter
From: Alan Lambert
         Fort Worth, Texas
 
Dave,
Good communication is the big + here. I am like everyone else, if I send an e-mail to you about something I would want an answer sent back the next day. advertizing new stuff on the list the way you do" the crew at LBR" is a dumb way. Use your name, or just LBR Interprises,Llc. Set up one of the "crew" to help answere-mails . That is all we want. "good communication".
            Alan Lambert
 
I like what you offer, and have you bookmarked.


________________________________
From: David <reujan2000@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:19 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] The Erhart Hudson Matter


 


To All,

Here is what happened on our end:

Our records indicated that monies were owed for the work on the 2
Hudsons. We have decided to ship the completed Hudsons in our regular
shipping cycle on 11-07-2012 and mark the project paid in full and
account closed. This will fulfill any and all of our obligation in this
matter.

Thank you all for your understanding in this matter. We will watch our
records more closley in future to be sure this never happens again.

Always remember that the people that never make mistakes are the people
that never do anything.

Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70725 From: rick gough Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: The Erhart Hudson Matter
Sorry Dave, but you may have a difficult time of it in assuming the list will believe the Hudsons weren't paid for. And what about the "Chadbourne Matter"? And an appology for your attitude? This list is worth a lot more to you than you are to it.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70726 From: Brady Date: 10/31/2012
Subject: AF Geep on sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 70727 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 10/31/2012
Subject: B&O loco for sale
I have a B&O Docksider by LTI for sale. I test ran it before offering it
for sale, but for all practical purposes it is new. Anyone interested please
contact me off list.

Steve Blackburn
S-n-S Trains
3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
Boise, Idaho 83704
208-376-1159
_www.sns-trains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com/)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70728 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/1/2012
Subject: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
Hi All,

I'm building a small junk yard on my layout and need advice on how to wreck a diecast car. I've looked all over the Net including YouTube and can't find any useful ideas although I've seen photos of some nice results. I'm assuming some of you (Stumpy maybe) have taken diecast cars and beat them up to stage accidents or junkers on your layouts, so how is it done? Do you heat it up and bend it? I'm thinking about getting out the blow torch and having at it - I'll either wreck the car or burn down the neighborhood - lol.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 70729 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/1/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale: 4611 New York Central Freight Set in C-6/C-7 condition
OOPS!  I forgot to remind everyone: because of the spaces in the URL, you can't simply click the link in the email message; you have to copy the whole thing and paste it into your browser.  Sorry about that.




________________________________
From: "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...>
To: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AvailableSgauge] For Sale: 4611 New York Central Freight Set in C-6/C-7 condition


bob:
the link is broken, no good, url no record
mel perry


On Nov 1, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Robert Graves wrote:

 
>
>
>This is the early 1946 set with original Patent Number link couplers, 322 smoke-in-tender Hudson locomotive, 716 center-pickup dump car, and black-rail track.  Everything is in great condition and works well.  The engine comes with its original corrugated wrapper and the caboose is in its original Tru-Model box; unfortunately, he didn't keep the other boxes or paperwork.  The set is otherwise complete.
>
>
>
>2012 TM Guide book value adjusted for condition is $277.00, but this should not be interpreted as a firm asking price. Make an offer I can't refuse! Email me: theupstairstrain@.... Please include your address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.
>
>
>Pictures are available on my website:
>
>
>
>        http://thegilbertgallery.org/For Sale Pages/for_sale_sets.html
>
>
>The Nickel Plate Switcher Set shown there, plus a beautiful Rocket Streamliner set, are currently listed on ebay under seller RobtGraves.
>
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70730 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/1/2012
Subject: For Sale: 4611 New York Central Freight Set in C-6/C-7 condition
This is the early 1946 set with original Patent Number link couplers, 322 smoke-in-tender Hudson locomotive, 716 center-pickup dump car, and black-rail track.  Everything is in great condition and works well.  The engine comes with its original corrugated wrapper and the caboose is in its original Tru-Model box; unfortunately, he didn't keep the other boxes or paperwork.  The set is otherwise complete.


2012 TM Guide book value adjusted for condition is $277.00, but this should not be interpreted as a firm asking price. Make an offer I can't refuse! Email me: theupstairstrain@.... Please include your address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.

Pictures are available on my website:


        http://thegilbertgallery.org/For Sale Pages/for_sale_sets.html

The Nickel Plate Switcher Set shown there, plus a beautiful Rocket Streamliner set, are currently listed on ebay under seller RobtGraves.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70731 From: Jerry Date: 11/1/2012
Subject: Parts is Parts
Guys,

I am in the process of building a new layout, and am at the point where
I am starting to finalize which buildings and structures I need. Some
are commercially available, but my downtown area will have to be scratch
built, both for space and economic reasons. So when I read in the
latest S Gaugian, in their product review section, about the Tichy Train
Group coming out with a line of S products, I looked at their website
and decided to order "a few" of their offerings. The parts are nicely
done in grey styrene and are well detailed. They'll work nicely with
what I intend on doing, and service was fast and friendly.

I have no ties with the company other than being a satisfied customer.

Jerry Poniatowski
Scratch building in Wayne, MI



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70732 From: Bob Chaparro Date: 11/2/2012
Subject: Re: American Flyer S-Gauge Modular Club
Did anyone ever find a contact for this club?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Foley" <mr-s1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks
> Is there a member of the American Flyer S-Gauge Modular club
> of Ca. on this list. If yes please reply back to me with a phone number
> and I will call you back. The TTOS is having their 06 convention in
> Costa Mesa, Ca. next August.
>
> John Foley
> NASG Promotions
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70733 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/2/2012
Subject: How to wreck a die cast car
Yeah, been there, done that. There are litterally dozens of things you have to know in order to do it right. I can only touch upon these here.

First, you just don't want to hammer and mangle any toy/model car. In reality, there are two basic kinds of cars you find in junkyards or behind gas stations, etc. Of course the "crashed" ones, but much more common BY FAR is the unwrecked, rusty, partially stripped car.

The stripped junker is easiest to replicate. First, disassemble the car into it's many parts. Most diecast cars can be taken apart by drilling out or grinding off the assembly "rivets" underneath. Sometimes you get lucky and the chassis-body is put together with screws.

For a common junker, start by removing the tires, or wheels and tires. Remove the side windows, all windows, or maybe a door window on one side but not on the other. "Cracked" glass is as simple as scratching lines in the windows with a sharp hobby knife. Bumpers are often gone, or just one has been salvaged. Keep removed tires, wheels, bumpers, and other parts to lean against the junkyard fence or shed.

Usually, interiors are stripped or destroyed quickly, so you don't need it. However, you might cut the seats and dashboard out and glue them back in without all the other stuff. or maybe the seats were removed but lie nearby or are sitting at a nearby shed or garage.

File or grind off chrome strips, hood ornaments, door handles, but not all of them. Cars are often stripped randomly. Those scavenging for parts might only need one door handle, the stainless trim strips on one side, or one headlight.The older a car is, or the longer it has been a junker, the more "picked over" it will be.

Sometimes unwrecked cars will have the hood and front fenders missing because someone needed the "front clip" to fix a car which had been damaged in a collision. The chassis and maybe even the engine will still be there of course. If the die cast car has opening doors, hood, etc., remove one of them. Save it to lean against a building nearby.

Sand the entire body and paint body and chassis with an undercoat of "red" primer or a flat dark Tuscan. Paint the car any regular color with a brush, leaving the paint thin on areas around wheel openings, tops of fenders, roof, hood, and trunk.

The longer the car has been "junked" the thinner the color paint will be on areas of wear or sun baking. Remember that older cars were painted in the straight enamel or lacquer finishs without "clear coat" so they don't shine for long without regular care, so flat or semi-gloss paint is best.

Even the chrome or stainless parts will be semi-gloss at best. Bumpers and lower areas of the body will have rust spots, best applied lightly with the end of a toothpick.

Look for photos of the cars of the era of your junker because paint jobs differed over the years. Nothing looks dumber than a '32 Ford with a bright purple paint job when such colors were generally not used by the auto makers until the mid-fifties. Two tone paint jobs were different in different eras as well.

As for wrecks, start with the above work. Die cast is very hard to bend without breaking it. Heat isn't necessarily the best for this. I have found that you can "cold bend" diecast fenders and doors by working slowly and not trying to force the bend in one big effort. A trick I have used is to put a small pine block behind the areas to be "dented" and then tapping it with a small hammer. The block supports the metal from being broken.

Die castings are usually VERY hard to bent without breaking. You WILL break these pasrts from time to time. Just glue them back on in a "bent" manner and smooth the sharpness of the break into a "bend" with body putty!

If wreck damage need not be too bad, you can sometimes get by with using a Dremel with grinding stone. You just grind dents into the metal. If you grind too far, just reach for the putty!

As I said at the start, all I can do here is give you a light overveiw of making junk cars and many people won't want to get so involved. As with any modeling, knowing the prototype is VERY important to pulling off any "illustion" in scale. Weathering, clutter, and junk are each a study in themselves and even a long post like this only scratches the surface.
Stumpy in Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70734 From: rapidrail1 Date: 11/2/2012
Subject: Re: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
Dave,

No suggestions on creating your own wrecked cars, but I have bought some factory made junkers at a Walmart. I think they were Jada and there was 3 or 4 of them. Also, I purchased a model for a wreck scene including a wrecked car and firefighters working the wreck from Doug Peck. You might check with him and see if he still has them in stock.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm building a small junk yard on my layout and need advice on how to wreck a diecast car. I've looked all over the Net including YouTube and can't find any useful ideas although I've seen photos of some nice results. I'm assuming some of you (Stumpy maybe) have taken diecast cars and beat them up to stage accidents or junkers on your layouts, so how is it done? Do you heat it up and bend it? I'm thinking about getting out the blow torch and having at it - I'll either wreck the car or burn down the neighborhood - lol.
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70735 From: Robert Lampe Date: 11/2/2012
Subject: Re: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
Depending on how much damage you want to inflict on the diecast model start with a hammer and be careful too much is overkill but you don't want to destroy it to the point you can't tell it was once a car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: bull_gator_1@...
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 01:26:23 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] How to Wreck a Diecast Car????


























Hi All,



I'm building a small junk yard on my layout and need advice on how to wreck a diecast car. I've looked all over the Net including YouTube and can't find any useful ideas although I've seen photos of some nice results. I'm assuming some of you (Stumpy maybe) have taken diecast cars and beat them up to stage accidents or junkers on your layouts, so how is it done? Do you heat it up and bend it? I'm thinking about getting out the blow torch and having at it - I'll either wreck the car or burn down the neighborhood - lol.



David


















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Group: S-Trains Message: 70736 From: rapidrail1 Date: 11/2/2012
Subject: Halloween Train video on YouTube
I just placed a new video of my Halloween layout on Youtube. The only changes this year are a small, temporary layout using Dept. 56 Sleepy Hollow buildings, and a new Flyonel Halloween boxcar. All the rest of the rolling stock is custom painted and custom decaled. The name of the railroad is the Sleepy Hollow RR and it's logo is the headless horseman. Too bad you can't see the base in the gondola of the Looney Tunes characters in their Halloween costumes, it is a yellow brick road. If you want to see a close-up of the Haunted Caboose and it's erie lights, see my 2011 video of this train on my permanent layout. Enjoy the Halloween trains http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIIqX96d8O8 because now it is time to take them down and put up my seasonal Christmas layout.

Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 70737 From: Obie Bell Date: 11/2/2012
Subject: Re: How to wreck a die cast car
Hello Stumpy,

This subject might make an ideal "Stumpies Station" article in the future.
I hope you will consider doing this.

Obie




To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: mrstumpy@...
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 12:21:53 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:How to wreck a die cast car





Yeah, been there, done that. There are litterally dozens of things you have to know in order to do it right. I can only touch upon these here.

First, you just don't want to hammer and mangle any toy/model car. In reality, there are two basic kinds of cars you find in junkyards or behind gas stations, etc. Of course the "crashed" ones, but much more common BY FAR is the unwrecked, rusty, partially stripped car.

The stripped junker is easiest to replicate. First, disassemble the car into it's many parts. Most diecast cars can be taken apart by drilling out or grinding off the assembly "rivets" underneath. Sometimes you get lucky and the chassis-body is put together with screws.

For a common junker, start by removing the tires, or wheels and tires. Remove the side windows, all windows, or maybe a door window on one side but not on the other. "Cracked" glass is as simple as scratching lines in the windows with a sharp hobby knife. Bumpers are often gone, or just one has been salvaged. Keep removed tires, wheels, bumpers, and other parts to lean against the junkyard fence or shed.

Usually, interiors are stripped or destroyed quickly, so you don't need it. However, you might cut the seats and dashboard out and glue them back in without all the other stuff. or maybe the seats were removed but lie nearby or are sitting at a nearby shed or garage.

File or grind off chrome strips, hood ornaments, door handles, but not all of them. Cars are often stripped randomly. Those scavenging for parts might only need one door handle, the stainless trim strips on one side, or one headlight.The older a car is, or the longer it has been a junker, the more "picked over" it will be.

Sometimes unwrecked cars will have the hood and front fenders missing because someone needed the "front clip" to fix a car which had been damaged in a collision. The chassis and maybe even the engine will still be there of course. If the die cast car has opening doors, hood, etc., remove one of them. Save it to lean against a building nearby.

Sand the entire body and paint body and chassis with an undercoat of "red" primer or a flat dark Tuscan. Paint the car any regular color with a brush, leaving the paint thin on areas around wheel openings, tops of fenders, roof, hood, and trunk.

The longer the car has been "junked" the thinner the color paint will be on areas of wear or sun baking. Remember that older cars were painted in the straight enamel or lacquer finishs without "clear coat" so they don't shine for long without regular care, so flat or semi-gloss paint is best.

Even the chrome or stainless parts will be semi-gloss at best. Bumpers and lower areas of the body will have rust spots, best applied lightly with the end of a toothpick.

Look for photos of the cars of the era of your junker because paint jobs differed over the years. Nothing looks dumber than a '32 Ford with a bright purple paint job when such colors were generally not used by the auto makers until the mid-fifties. Two tone paint jobs were different in different eras as well.

As for wrecks, start with the above work. Die cast is very hard to bend without breaking it. Heat isn't necessarily the best for this. I have found that you can "cold bend" diecast fenders and doors by working slowly and not trying to force the bend in one big effort. A trick I have used is to put a small pine block behind the areas to be "dented" and then tapping it with a small hammer. The block supports the metal from being broken.

Die castings are usually VERY hard to bent without breaking. You WILL break these pasrts from time to time. Just glue them back on in a "bent" manner and smooth the sharpness of the break into a "bend" with body putty!

If wreck damage need not be too bad, you can sometimes get by with using a Dremel with grinding stone. You just grind dents into the metal. If you grind too far, just reach for the putty!

As I said at the start, all I can do here is give you a light overveiw of making junk cars and many people won't want to get so involved. As with any modeling, knowing the prototype is VERY important to pulling off any "illustion" in scale. Weathering, clutter, and junk are each a study in themselves and even a long post like this only scratches the surface.
Stumpy in Ahia.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 70738 From: Charlie Vlk Date: 11/3/2012
Subject: Re: How to wreck a die cast car
For heavy body damaged cars, make tin foil pressings of the doors and
various sections to duplicate the die cast body. Of course, for pre-1960
cars you'll have to use really heavy duty foil..for modern cars body parts
that shred are prototypical!!!

Charlie Vlk



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70739 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/3/2012
Subject: Re: How to wreck a die cast car
Hi Stumpy,

I replied yesterday but I guess it got lost in the ether somewhere. It's been several years since I was in your area since the plant I worked on was closed down. Since then it's been sold, dismantled and I'm told the site has been converted to a coal hopper car loading process.

I've already stripped the cars, removed fenders, hoods, doors, interiors, etc for my spare parts lot behind my service station. What I want to do now is model an accident. I've seen a lot of photos of diaramas with accident scenes. I thought I would start by modelling a car that had hit a telephone pole head on. I saw a video of a guy doing this using a Dremel grinding stone to groove the backside of the car body. He then heated the body with a heat gun and pressed it against a piece of tubing. After several heating and pressing steps it looked pretty realistic. The fenders grumpled, the grill crumpled and the hood crumpled after partially opening. It looked just like what you would see in the real world. Of course the video lacked any directions, instructions or advice - just a sound track. Ultimately I would like to model two cars having a collision. Maybe someone has mastered this and will share their secrets with us.

David


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, been there, done that. There are litterally dozens of things you have to know in order to do it right. I can only touch upon these here.
>
> First, you just don't want to hammer and mangle any toy/model car. In reality, there are two basic kinds of cars you find in junkyards or behind gas stations, etc. Of course the "crashed" ones, but much more common BY FAR is the unwrecked, rusty, partially stripped car.
>
> The stripped junker is easiest to replicate. First, disassemble the car into it's many parts. Most diecast cars can be taken apart by drilling out or grinding off the assembly "rivets" underneath. Sometimes you get lucky and the chassis-body is put together with screws.
>
> For a common junker, start by removing the tires, or wheels and tires. Remove the side windows, all windows, or maybe a door window on one side but not on the other. "Cracked" glass is as simple as scratching lines in the windows with a sharp hobby knife. Bumpers are often gone, or just one has been salvaged. Keep removed tires, wheels, bumpers, and other parts to lean against the junkyard fence or shed.
>
> Usually, interiors are stripped or destroyed quickly, so you don't need it. However, you might cut the seats and dashboard out and glue them back in without all the other stuff. or maybe the seats were removed but lie nearby or are sitting at a nearby shed or garage.
>
> File or grind off chrome strips, hood ornaments, door handles, but not all of them. Cars are often stripped randomly. Those scavenging for parts might only need one door handle, the stainless trim strips on one side, or one headlight.The older a car is, or the longer it has been a junker, the more "picked over" it will be.
>
> Sometimes unwrecked cars will have the hood and front fenders missing because someone needed the "front clip" to fix a car which had been damaged in a collision. The chassis and maybe even the engine will still be there of course. If the die cast car has opening doors, hood, etc., remove one of them. Save it to lean against a building nearby.
>
> Sand the entire body and paint body and chassis with an undercoat of "red" primer or a flat dark Tuscan. Paint the car any regular color with a brush, leaving the paint thin on areas around wheel openings, tops of fenders, roof, hood, and trunk.
>
> The longer the car has been "junked" the thinner the color paint will be on areas of wear or sun baking. Remember that older cars were painted in the straight enamel or lacquer finishs without "clear coat" so they don't shine for long without regular care, so flat or semi-gloss paint is best.
>
> Even the chrome or stainless parts will be semi-gloss at best. Bumpers and lower areas of the body will have rust spots, best applied lightly with the end of a toothpick.
>
> Look for photos of the cars of the era of your junker because paint jobs differed over the years. Nothing looks dumber than a '32 Ford with a bright purple paint job when such colors were generally not used by the auto makers until the mid-fifties. Two tone paint jobs were different in different eras as well.
>
> As for wrecks, start with the above work. Die cast is very hard to bend without breaking it. Heat isn't necessarily the best for this. I have found that you can "cold bend" diecast fenders and doors by working slowly and not trying to force the bend in one big effort. A trick I have used is to put a small pine block behind the areas to be "dented" and then tapping it with a small hammer. The block supports the metal from being broken.
>
> Die castings are usually VERY hard to bent without breaking. You WILL break these pasrts from time to time. Just glue them back on in a "bent" manner and smooth the sharpness of the break into a "bend" with body putty!
>
> If wreck damage need not be too bad, you can sometimes get by with using a Dremel with grinding stone. You just grind dents into the metal. If you grind too far, just reach for the putty!
>
> As I said at the start, all I can do here is give you a light overveiw of making junk cars and many people won't want to get so involved. As with any modeling, knowing the prototype is VERY important to pulling off any "illustion" in scale. Weathering, clutter, and junk are each a study in themselves and even a long post like this only scratches the surface.
> Stumpy in Ahia.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70740 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/3/2012
Subject: Re: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
Wayne,

I have several junkers by Jada, Johnny Lightnin and M2 Machines. I'm looking to take a regular diecast car and model a collision. I'll keep scouring the Net and see if I can find a How-To somewhere.

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> No suggestions on creating your own wrecked cars, but I have bought some factory made junkers at a Walmart. I think they were Jada and there was 3 or 4 of them. Also, I purchased a model for a wreck scene including a wrecked car and firefighters working the wreck from Doug Peck. You might check with him and see if he still has them in stock.
>
> Wayne
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm building a small junk yard on my layout and need advice on how to wreck a diecast car. I've looked all over the Net including YouTube and can't find any useful ideas although I've seen photos of some nice results. I'm assuming some of you (Stumpy maybe) have taken diecast cars and beat them up to stage accidents or junkers on your layouts, so how is it done? Do you heat it up and bend it? I'm thinking about getting out the blow torch and having at it - I'll either wreck the car or burn down the neighborhood - lol.
> >
> > David
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70741 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/3/2012
Subject: Re: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
Wayne & Others,
In your collision, to draw eyes to it, you could
lift a hood & have a smoke unit mounted under to look like steam from the
wreck. Mike


In a message dated 11/3/2012 8:44:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
bull_gator_1@... writes:




Wayne,

I have several junkers by Jada, Johnny Lightnin and M2 Machines. I'm
looking to take a regular diecast car and model a collision. I'll keep scouring
the Net and see if I can find a How-To somewhere.

David

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
"rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> No suggestions on creating your own wrecked cars, but I have bought some
factory made junkers at a Walmart. I think they were Jada and there was 3
or 4 of them. Also, I purchased a model for a wreck scene including a
wrecked car and firefighters working the wreck from Doug Peck. You might check
with him and see if he still has them in stock.
>
> Wayne
>
> --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
"bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm building a small junk yard on my layout and need advice on how to
wreck a diecast car. I've looked all over the Net including YouTube and
can't find any useful ideas although I've seen photos of some nice results.
I'm assuming some of you (Stumpy maybe) have taken diecast cars and beat them
up to stage accidents or junkers on your layouts, so how is it done? Do
you heat it up and bend it? I'm thinking about getting out the blow torch and
having at it - I'll either wreck the car or burn down the neighborhood -
lol.
> >
> > David
> >
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 70742 From: johntech Date: 11/3/2012
Subject: EL Wire to light your layout
I just came across this neat lighting kit called EL Wire found here on Maker Shed web site
It might be useful someplace on your layout
http://tinyurl.com/bpt9h7b

John

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70743 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/3/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/4/2012, 6:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70744 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/3/2012
Subject: For Sale: Plasticville parts
In
the process of attempting to find missing parts for some of my
incomplete Plasticville buildings, I learned that manufacturers are producing only
small parts like antennas and weather vanes that are easily broken or
easily lost. Replacement walls and roofs are not being made; they're
available only from original equipment.

I have been able to
find a few of the parts I need, but I always had to buy them in a
batch of parts and I've ended up with more incomplete buildings that
I started with! So, rather than continue the search for missing
parts, I am offering these major parts for individual sale so you
don't have to go through what I've gone through. Whenever you find
you have a missing, broken, stained, or otherwise imperfect part of a
Plasticville building, this is the place to come!
     thegilbertgallery.org/For Sale Pages/for_sale_Plasticville_parts.html

NOTE: Because of the spaces in the URL, you can't simply click on it; you have to copy the whole thing and paste it in your browser.  Sorry about that.  (I'd like to fix that some day, but there are so many links involved, that it's easier said than done.)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70745 From: hjsheffield Date: 11/3/2012
Subject: Flyer accessories
HI Group
I am headed to a show tomorrow and would like to get a better idea of what to sell a few things I have at the show for. I don't have access to the latest book.

I have an original AF barrel loader with, an MTH coal loader, and a Lionel Flyer sawmill. All are in VG to E condition and work well and are in the original boxes. I had them on a show table that I took to shows but have sold the table and don't need the accessories. Also have a NIB baggage smasher.

I will post some sale stuff when I return after the 12th.

The show is the International Railfair in Roseville CA and is on the 10th and 11th. I am leaving a week early to visit family.

Thanks for the input

Howard Sheffield
Group: S-Trains Message: 70746 From: Doug Peck Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer accessories
<<<an original AF barrel loader with, an MTH coal loader, and a Lionel
Flyer sawmill.>>>



Hi Howard,

I can tell you that (a) the MTH coal loaders are VERY slow----a common
complaint about them. You may recall that soon after they we released,
we marketed a replacement pulley that tripled the speed. These sold out,
but we are looking to do another small run of these as there is still a
modest demand for them. (b) Sawmills.....I refuse to even sell one of
these in original form. The first time a plank jams, the cheap plastic
gears in the motor strip. Now have replacement brass gears to solve this
problem. (c) Oil Drum Loaders.....seem to have lost a lot of their
market, probably because Lionel re-issued the piece multiple times. I
haven't seen a significant demand for any of the three, although the ODL
is probably the quickest to sell, when available.



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM
(EST) only.
978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 70747 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale: Plasticville parts
Hi Robert

Tom seccia of triple s supply has a lot of parts for plasticville
his e amil is seccia@... he is in penn so i don't know if storm Sandy has done any damage to his area or you can call hil at any of the following phone numbers

610-695-8724
484-251-1646
484-620-6469
Good luck hope this helps i have purchased from Tom and his parts are good quality

Thanks Stan

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Graves
To: s-trains list ; Sgauge Available
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 7:05 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: Plasticville parts



In
the process of attempting to find missing parts for some of my
incomplete Plasticville buildings, I learned that manufacturers are producing only
small parts like antennas and weather vanes that are easily broken or
easily lost. Replacement walls and roofs are not being made; they're
available only from original equipment.

I have been able to
find a few of the parts I need, but I always had to buy them in a
batch of parts and I've ended up with more incomplete buildings that
I started with! So, rather than continue the search for missing
parts, I am offering these major parts for individual sale so you
don't have to go through what I've gone through. Whenever you find
you have a missing, broken, stained, or otherwise imperfect part of a
Plasticville building, this is the place to come!
thegilbertgallery.org/For Sale Pages/for_sale_Plasticville_parts.html

NOTE: Because of the spaces in the URL, you can't simply click on it; you have to copy the whole thing and paste it in your browser. Sorry about that. (I'd like to fix that some day, but there are so many links involved, that it's easier said than done.)

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70748 From: rapidrail1 Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
GREAT idea!!! And easy enough to do.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Wayne & Others,
> In your collision, to draw eyes to it, you could
> lift a hood & have a smoke unit mounted under to look like steam from the
> wreck. Mike
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70749 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer accessories
Does the MTH Flyer sawmill fair any better than the Lionel version?

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: Doug Peck <doug@...>
Sent: Sun Nov 04 06:31:21 CST 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer accessories




<<<an original AF barrel loader with, an MTH coal loader, and a Lionel
Flyer sawmill.>>>

Hi Howard,

I can tell you that (a) the MTH coal loaders are VERY slow----a common
complaint about them. You may recall that soon after they we released,
we marketed a replacement pulley that tripled the speed. These sold out,
but we are looking to do another small run of these as there is still a
modest demand for them. (b) Sawmills.....I refuse to even sell one of
these in original form. The first time a plank jams, the cheap plastic
gears in the motor strip. Now have replacement brass gears to solve this
problem. (c) Oil Drum Loaders.....seem to have lost a lot of their
market, probably because Lionel re-issued the piece multiple times. I
haven't seen a significant demand for any of the three, although the ODL
is probably the quickest to sell, when available.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM
(EST) only.
978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70750 From: wjchadbourne Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Hiawatha Engine and Tender shells
I am happy to report that my two Hiawatha shells have been returned to me as of Saturday. I want nothing but the best for LBR and hope they can communicate and fulfill commitments more easily in the future. One of the shells is missing the decals and I am not blaming LBR because after six years I have no idea if they were there in the first place.
Does anyone know where I could get the decals for this engine? They are the shiny metalic looking kind.
Thanks
Warren (Bud) Chadbourne
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70752 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer accessories
Brady

This is the Lionel sawmill. I used some replacement boards in it and it works well. The MTH is the coal loader.

Howard


On Nov 4, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Brady Burdge wrote:

> Does the MTH Flyer sawmill fair any better than the Lionel version?
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: Doug Peck <doug@...>
> Sent: Sun Nov 04 06:31:21 CST 2012
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer accessories
>
> <<<an original AF barrel loader with, an MTH coal loader, and a Lionel
> Flyer sawmill.>>>
>
> Hi Howard,
>
> I can tell you that (a) the MTH coal loaders are VERY slow----a common
> complaint about them. You may recall that soon after they we released,
> we marketed a replacement pulley that tripled the speed. These sold out,
> but we are looking to do another small run of these as there is still a
> modest demand for them. (b) Sawmills.....I refuse to even sell one of
> these in original form. The first time a plank jams, the cheap plastic
> gears in the motor strip. Now have replacement brass gears to solve this
> problem. (c) Oil Drum Loaders.....seem to have lost a lot of their
> market, probably because Lionel re-issued the piece multiple times. I
> haven't seen a significant demand for any of the three, although the ODL
> is probably the quickest to sell, when available.
>
> Doug Peck
> Port Lines Hobby Supply
> 6 Storeybrooke Drive
> Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
> doug@...
> www.portlines.com
> Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM
> (EST) only.
> 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
> 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70753 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer accessories
Thanks for the info Doug. I will pass it along to whoever purchases these.

Howard



On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Doug Peck wrote:

> <<<an original AF barrel loader with, an MTH coal loader, and a Lionel
> Flyer sawmill.>>>
>
> Hi Howard,
>
> I can tell you that (a) the MTH coal loaders are VERY slow----a common
> complaint about them. You may recall that soon after they we released,
> we marketed a replacement pulley that tripled the speed. These sold out,
> but we are looking to do another small run of these as there is still a
> modest demand for them. (b) Sawmills.....I refuse to even sell one of
> these in original form. The first time a plank jams, the cheap plastic
> gears in the motor strip. Now have replacement brass gears to solve this
> problem. (c) Oil Drum Loaders.....seem to have lost a lot of their
> market, probably because Lionel re-issued the piece multiple times. I
> haven't seen a significant demand for any of the three, although the ODL
> is probably the quickest to sell, when available.
>
> Doug Peck
> Port Lines Hobby Supply
> 6 Storeybrooke Drive
> Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
> doug@...
> www.portlines.com
> Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM
> (EST) only.
> 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
> 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70754 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer accessories
Howard,

I was just wondering if the MTH sawmill was more reliable than the Lionel..

http://www.mthtrains.com/content/30-9122

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



_____________________________________________
From: Howard Sheffield <hjsheff@...>
Sent: Sun Nov 04 10:50:53 CST 2012
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer accessories




Brady

This is the Lionel sawmill. I used some replacement boards in it and it works well. The MTH is the coal loader.

Howard

On Nov 4, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Brady Burdge wrote:

> Does the MTH Flyer sawmill fair any better than the Lionel version?
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: Doug Peck <doug@...>
> Sent: Sun Nov 04 06:31:21 CST 2012
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer accessories
>
> <<<an original AF barrel loader with, an MTH coal loader, and a Lionel
> Flyer sawmill.>>>
>
> Hi Howard,
>
> I can tell you that (a) the MTH coal loaders are VERY slow----a common
> complaint about them. You may recall that soon after they we released,
> we marketed a replacement pulley that tripled the speed. These sold out,
> but we are looking to do another small run of these as there is still a
> modest demand for them. (b) Sawmills.....I refuse to even sell one of
> these in original form. The first time a plank jams, the cheap plastic
> gears in the motor strip. Now have replacement brass gears to solve this
> problem. (c) Oil Drum Loaders.....seem to have lost a lot of their
> market, probably because Lionel re-issued the piece multiple times. I
> haven't seen a significant demand for any of the three, although the ODL
> is probably the quickest to sell, when available.
>
> Doug Peck
> Port Lines Hobby Supply
> 6 Storeybrooke Drive
> Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
> doug@...
> www.portlines.com
> Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM
> (EST) only.
> 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
> 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70755 From: The Laniers Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
Send me the diecast cars you want wrecked. I will let my six year old grandson play with them for about a day. That should about do it.

Herb Lanier
paflyrman

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70756 From: hjsheff@mcn.org Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: Flyer accessories
HI Brady

I can't answer that question. Perhaps Doug Peck could. This Lionel
sawmill has worked just fine. I did use a few substitute boards for the
original ones that were warped or too thick.

Howard

> Howard,
>
> I was just wondering if the MTH sawmill was more reliable than the
> Lionel..
>
> http://www.mthtrains.com/content/30-9122
>
> Brady
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: Howard Sheffield <hjsheff@...>
> Sent: Sun Nov 04 10:50:53 CST 2012
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer accessories
>
>
>
>
> Brady
>
> This is the Lionel sawmill. I used some replacement boards in it and it
> works well. The MTH is the coal loader.
>
> Howard
>
> On Nov 4, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Brady Burdge wrote:
>
>> Does the MTH Flyer sawmill fair any better than the Lionel version?
>>
>> Brady
>>
>> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>>
>> _____________________________________________
>> From: Doug Peck <doug@...>
>> Sent: Sun Nov 04 06:31:21 CST 2012
>> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer accessories
>>
>> <<<an original AF barrel loader with, an MTH coal loader, and a Lionel
>> Flyer sawmill.>>>
>>
>> Hi Howard,
>>
>> I can tell you that (a) the MTH coal loaders are VERY slow----a common
>> complaint about them. You may recall that soon after they we released,
>> we marketed a replacement pulley that tripled the speed. These sold out,
>> but we are looking to do another small run of these as there is still a
>> modest demand for them. (b) Sawmills.....I refuse to even sell one of
>> these in original form. The first time a plank jams, the cheap plastic
>> gears in the motor strip. Now have replacement brass gears to solve this
>> problem. (c) Oil Drum Loaders.....seem to have lost a lot of their
>> market, probably because Lionel re-issued the piece multiple times. I
>> haven't seen a significant demand for any of the three, although the ODL
>> is probably the quickest to sell, when available.
>>
>> Doug Peck
>> Port Lines Hobby Supply
>> 6 Storeybrooke Drive
>> Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
>> doug@...
>> www.portlines.com
>> Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM
>> (EST) only.
>> 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information)
>> 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.)
>> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70757 From: kerhart@frontier.com Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Re: Hiawatha Engine and Tender shells
Bud,

I am happy that your two Hiawatha shells have been returned after so long. You're right that communication is the key to avoid misunderstandings and hard feelings. If your Hiawatha shells were purchased from Tom Hodgson of American Hi-Rail, as was mine, then the decals came with the kit. Maybe Tom has extra decals. You can reach him at (847) 587-1116. He is a commercial pilot and often hard to reach. One of the two Hudsons that I sent to LBR was a AHR Dreyfus. Dave is suppose to install scullin drivers with the white insulators. The other Hudson is suppose to receive box pok drivers with black insulators, six-wheel tender trucks and the weighted pilot truck. I am hopeful that I will soon receive them.

Keith Erhart

----- Original Message -----
From: "wjchadbourne" <wjchadbourne@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 8:19:22 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Hiawatha Engine and Tender shells

I am happy to report that my two Hiawatha shells have been returned to me as of Saturday. I want nothing but the best for LBR and hope they can communicate and fulfill commitments more easily in the future. One of the shells is missing the decals and I am not blaming LBR because after six years I have no idea if they were there in the first place.
Does anyone know where I could get the decals for this engine? They are the shiny metalic looking kind.
Thanks
Warren (Bud) Chadbourne
Group: S-Trains Message: 70758 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: UP 844 Video on YouTube
Hi All,

UP 844 was on display in Houston a couple of weeks ago. You can see a close-up video I made of the 454 ton beast here:

http://youtu.be/QCXBlwdGoJg

Enjoy and check out some of my other videos while at YouTube!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 70759 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: S Fest Videos
Group: S-Trains Message: 70760 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: Ebay Floods
Hi All,

Is anyone else upset by how difficult it has become to use the American Flyer sections of eBay now that some guy is flooding it with 400 - 500 "cardstock freight card side" auctions everyday? To make it worse he floods multiple categories at the same time. I end up having to wade through over 1,000 of his auctions each and every day. While I'm at it one or more of our group members lists hundreds upon hundreds of their parts to the same categories. I know these guys are just trying to make a living but it did get to be a pain to go through over 1500 auctions ending today and over half of them are the same repeats day after day.

Just venting!

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 70761 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/4/2012
Subject: CLL Anniversary
Hi All,

It's been one year since I was diagnosed with CLL. Luckily it is a slow progressing cancer so no chemo required so far. I decided to keep the AF and continue working on the layout. I've also been working on my inventory system so Tracie will be better able to sell all this stuff when the time comes. Remember the old saying: "If you fail to plan, you plan to fail".

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 70762 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Ebay Floods
They are a nuisance but I just quickly scroll past them. Alistair 

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Cc:
Sent:Mon, 05 Nov 2012 02:22:28 -0000
Subject:[S-Trains] Ebay Floods

 

Hi All,

Is anyone else upset by how difficult it has become to use the
American Flyer sections of eBay now that some guy is flooding it with
400 - 500 "cardstock freight card side" auctions everyday? To make it
worse he floods multiple categories at the same time. I end up having
to wade through over 1,000 of his auctions each and every day. While
I'm at it one or more of our group members lists hundreds upon
hundreds of their parts to the same categories. I know these guys are
just trying to make a living but it did get to be a pain to go through
over 1500 auctions ending today and over half of them are the same
repeats day after day.

Just venting!

David

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70763 From: acgilbertguy Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Ebay Floods
David,

I for one agree with you. It would be more appropriate, in my opinion, for these listings to be under the sub categories of either "Detail Parts" or "Other".

Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Is anyone else upset by how difficult it has become to use the American Flyer sections of eBay now that some guy is flooding it with 400 - 500 "cardstock freight card side" auctions everyday? To make it worse he floods multiple categories at the same time. I end up having to wade through over 1,000 of his auctions each and every day. While I'm at it one or more of our group members lists hundreds upon hundreds of their parts to the same categories. I know these guys are just trying to make a living but it did get to be a pain to go through over 1500 auctions ending today and over half of them are the same repeats day after day.
>
> Just venting!
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70764 From: ken garber Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5855 - filtering ebay lists
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 8. Ebay Floods
> Posted by: "bull_gator_1" bull_gator_1@... bull_gator_1
> Date: Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:21 pm ((PST))
>
> Hi All,
>
> Is anyone else upset by how difficult it has become to use the American
> Flyer sections of eBay now that some guy is flooding it with 400 - 500
> "cardstock freight card side" auctions everyday? To make it worse he
> floods multiple categories at the same time. I end up having to wade
> through over 1,000 of his auctions each and every day. While I'm at it one
> or more of our group members lists hundreds upon hundreds of their parts to
> the same categories. I know these guys are just trying to make a living
> but it did get to be a pain to go through over 1500 auctions ending today
> and over half of them are the same repeats day after day.
>
> Just venting!
>
> David
>
>
>
You can create filters for your searches. Include the word you DON't want
to see preceeded by a '-'.

For example, add '-oil' to your search and none of the oil-related products
will display.

Ken


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70765 From: Timboy Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: CLL Anniversary
David,

Many of us are probably not sure how to answer this, but I will say HAPPY ANNIVERSARY! I hope you have many, many more.

I thought you might have been interested in how I tore my Flyer layout down, which is one reason why I posted notes about it. Wife and I just attended an estate auction yesterday. I mentioned to her how easy it would be for her to just call a Realtor in someday and let them handle everything. They usually have handymen they can rely on to do little projects to help with the sale of the property. She agreed and told me not to worry about any future layout or anything else. So I won't!

Take care and good luck!

Tim

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> It's been one year since I was diagnosed with CLL. Luckily it is a slow progressing cancer so no chemo required so far. I decided to keep the AF and continue working on the layout. I've also been working on my inventory system so Tracie will be better able to sell all this stuff when the time comes. Remember the old saying: "If you fail to plan, you plan to fail".
>
> David
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70766 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5855 - filtering ebay lists
Ken,

I just use the standard "Ending in Next 24 hours" search. If there is a way to filter out specific sellers that would do the trick.

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ken garber <garber.ken@...> wrote:
>
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > 8. Ebay Floods
> > Posted by: "bull_gator_1" bull_gator_1@... bull_gator_1
> > Date: Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:21 pm ((PST))
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Is anyone else upset by how difficult it has become to use the American
> > Flyer sections of eBay now that some guy is flooding it with 400 - 500
> > "cardstock freight card side" auctions everyday? To make it worse he
> > floods multiple categories at the same time. I end up having to wade
> > through over 1,000 of his auctions each and every day. While I'm at it one
> > or more of our group members lists hundreds upon hundreds of their parts to
> > the same categories. I know these guys are just trying to make a living
> > but it did get to be a pain to go through over 1500 auctions ending today
> > and over half of them are the same repeats day after day.
> >
> > Just venting!
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> You can create filters for your searches. Include the word you DON't want
> to see preceeded by a '-'.
>
> For example, add '-oil' to your search and none of the oil-related products
> will display.
>
> Ken
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70767 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: SHS for sale
I have a few S-Helper reefers & stock cars and one F-7 set for sale. All
are new in the box. The F-7 is the Santa Fe freight scheme #00931.
(Blue/yellow) A-B units. AC/DC with sound.
Please contact me off list for info and pricing.
Steve Blackburn
208-376-1159


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70768 From: Brady Burdge Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Green screen scenery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5mHPm6JEVM&sns=em

Brady

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70769 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/6/2012
Subject: Re: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
Herb,

That's how I got the "wrecks" in the PVMR junkyard, yard sales, average 25
cents each. KID Power.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 11/4/2012 5:33:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hblanier@... writes:

Send me the diecast cars you want wrecked. I will let my six year old
grandson play with them for about a day. That should about do it.

Herb Lanier
paflyrman

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70770 From: doug_cnw Date: 11/6/2012
Subject: AM Pacific pilot coupler
Has anyone installed a kadee coupler through the slot in the pilot of AM's Pacific loco? If so, how?
Group: S-Trains Message: 70771 From: Steven Allen Date: 11/6/2012
Subject: Re: How to Wreck a Diecast Car????
Herb,

M2 Machines » Auto Projects is a group of junk cars. They're available through Troy's Toys website (www.troystoysinc/index.php)

Their cost is $4.99 each, and although it would be costly to order a lot, maybe a couple can get you started in the right direction.

Also, try Diecast Alley.com (http://www.diecastalley.com/), if you look under M2 Machines Auto Projects, he has the complete Release #2 for $27.99, or individually for $4.99 each except the Studebaker flatbed which is $5.99.

Good Luck
Steven Allen


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
> Herb,
>
> That's how I got the "wrecks" in the PVMR junkyard, yard sales, average 25
> cents each. KID Power.
>
> Jim Lyle
>
>
> In a message dated 11/4/2012 5:33:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> hblanier@... writes:
>
> Send me the diecast cars you want wrecked. I will let my six year old
> grandson play with them for about a day. That should about do it.
>
> Herb Lanier
> paflyrman
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70772 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/7/2012
Subject: "Project Atlantic" Part Three posted!
Chuck Harrington's "My Flyer Trains" website has posted the latest installment about kit bashing the common American Flyer Atlantic locomotive in the Stumpy's Station section.

In "Project Atlantic" Part Three, we get down to some real bashing with moving bell, whistle, headlight, and how to replace missing rivets/bolts.

Stay tuned, because each month I'll be taking the project further and further in each Stumpy's Station article at http://myflyertrains.org
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70773 From: Brady Date: 11/7/2012
Subject: Kit Review: S Gauge Lightweight Coach (Prototype Modeler, Dec 78)
Perhaps a few of these are still floating around..

http://www.trainlife.com/articles/640/kit-review-s-gauge-lightweight-coach



Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 70774 From: Jerry Date: 11/7/2012
Subject: Re: Kit Review: S Gauge Lightweight Coach (Prototype Modeler, Dec 7
Brady,

I wonder what became of the company? Is the tooling still around? Is
there still a market for such a thing? I, for one, would love to have a
few of these. The 1978 price of $18.25 would be around $60 today, a
fair price for such a kit. Guys have been clamoring for 80' Budd style
cars for a while.

But we have nice RTR things now, and perhaps folks are less willing to
assemble trains as they once were.

Fun to speculate, though.

Thanks for finding the article!

Jerry


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote:
>
> Perhaps a few of these are still floating around..
>
>
http://www.trainlife.com/articles/640/kit-review-s-gauge-lightweight-coa\
ch
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> Brady
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70775 From: Robert Lampe Date: 11/8/2012
Subject: Re: Kit Review: S Gauge Lightweight Coach (Prototype Modeler, Dec 7
I remember the company but did not know they built S scale versions. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: brady@...
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 19:24:06 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Kit Review: S Gauge Lightweight Coach (Prototype Modeler, Dec 78)


























Perhaps a few of these are still floating around..



http://www.trainlife.com/articles/640/kit-review-s-gauge-lightweight-coach



Brady


















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Group: S-Trains Message: 70776 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/8/2012
Subject: Allentown Train Meet
Folks,

I am taking remaining S Helper Service "Bumpers", uncouplers, power
sections, etc to Allentown this weekend. Tables NT-1-3, ALSO, the CHROME Santa
Fe A-B-B-A lash up & a PRR A-B unit in Brunswick.

Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70777 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/9/2012
Subject: Re: Kit Review: S Gauge Lightweight Coach (Prototype Modeler, Dec 7
Dear Brady, These were made by the late Tom Shortall of JC Models. We were buddies when Robin and I had Train Stuff and he taught me how to cast using a centrifuge. I do have lots of the parts that he let me cast and keep. The sides from 0.050" aluminum flashing. The windows were punched using a progressive press and the fluting using a 100 ton press (that was big...). The ends were cast in pewter. Tom made borth S ahd HO. After he passed, I did the inventory for the estate with Jan Lorenzen (Locomotive Workshop). Widow Mary sold the company to a Cincinnati concern and I do not believe they ever came out with the S scale version. I am not sure how many Tom made, but I am sure it was in the hundreds...Don Thompson

On Nov 7, 2012, at 11:53 PM, Robert Lampe wrote:

>
>
> I remember the company but did not know they built S scale versions. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> From: brady@...
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 19:24:06 +0000
> Subject: [S-Trains] Kit Review: S Gauge Lightweight Coach (Prototype Modeler, Dec 78)
>
> Perhaps a few of these are still floating around..
>
> http://www.trainlife.com/articles/640/kit-review-s-gauge-lightweight-coach
>
> Brady
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70778 From: plotnick@earthlink.net Date: 11/9/2012
Subject: Apologies for spam
Sorry about the spam - someone seems to have hacked my Earthlink account. Seems to have stopped, but am taking further steps. - Roy Plotnick
Group: S-Trains Message: 70779 From: Eric Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: S Stuff for Sale 11/9/2012
I need some room and these are not going to make it to the layout if I want
to keep trains running around it. I really an about out of things to
sell. Make me an offeron anything here, thanks.



Pictures in the Yahoo groups files under Erics stuff for Sale ! needs
some updating, I'll try to do that tomorrow.



1. Sold

2. SHS 01173 Canadian National Panelside hopper New in box $35

3. SHS 01171 Anderson panelside hopper new in box $35

4. Sold

5. Sold

6. Sold

7. Sold

8. Sold

9. American models GN 11082 box car shs trucks, kadees, missing
some ladders $25

10. American models NP 25504 box car shs trucks, kadees, missing some
ladders, $25

11. American models BN 10118 Caboose, extended side vision, lighted,
shs caboose trucks?, kadees $25

12. Flyer GN green 24022 refer car ace floor ace, am trucks, knuckle
couplers , $25

13. Red LTI Flyer box car for 94 NASG Meet, ace floor and trucks, shs
knuckle couplers , $25

14. Yellow Flyer GN refer I believe this is a KRIS model, ace floor and
AM trucks, knuckle couplers $25

15. GN Blue Flyer caboose Painted GN no couplers (coupler extension cut
off) original sheet metal floor and trucks, no box, just put on another
caboose frame and go .$15

16. Flyer (L-F) box car from 1995 TCA national Seattle meet . NP Green #
1264. Floor replaced with ACE metal floor and trucks , high rail wheels and
knuckle couplers. $35

17. American Models NP boxcar high rail wheels and AM knuckle couplers.
$35

18. PRS (?) boxcar NP red 17287 missing a small ladder otherwise
excellent Ace trucks and AM knuckles. $35

19. SHS #01262 Frisco #1 Caboose (1275) new in box $45

20.

I think Everything has an original box .everything has Flyer compatible
wheels and Kadee or knuckle couplers except for the NIB SHS stuff which is
set up as SHS sold them. I can swap out Kadees for Knuckle couplers on
anything if you wish, I can swap out to the scale wheels if you wish on the
AM or SHS trucks. Let me know. MAKE AN OFFER ON ANYTHING!!



Shipping should be about $9 for one. About $11 for 2 or more.



Make me an offer on any or all of it�.Paypal, Postal money order, check all
work.


Eric Reis, Kenmore, WA.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70780 From: Sheila Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: New Website
New Website - sssaftrains.com Features Parts Search using American Flyer Parts Numbers beginning with PA or XA or using Keywords such as screws, smoke, station etc.
New Triple "S" Supplies Parts Catalog. 168 pages, spiral bound icludes exploded views original and new, Illustrations of decals, stockers, windows and much more $15.95 plus $2.50 S&H.
Largest Selection of Gilbert American Flyer Parts - Original & Repro
New Phone Number 610-695-8724 New Fax Number 610-695-8725
Visa, Mastercard, Discover and Paypal accepted payments.
Any questions, please email seccia@...
Thank You,
Tom Seccia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70781 From: Ben Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Used SHS flex track for sale
I have 21 fairly complete pieces of used SHS flex track and six shorter bits. Much of the longer pieces are currently curved, but can be straightened.

New this looks like it would be over $200 on the S-Helper website. How about $150 plus actual shipping? This track was used but not used hard...it has some wire soldered on a few pieces and obviously
some were cut at the solder joints, with a few rail joiners still soldered on.

Anyone interested in this track? Thanks!

Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 70782 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/11/2012, 5:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday November 11, 2012
Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group

Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats: This event repeats every week.
Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM
 
Copyright © 2012  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: S-Trains Message: 70783 From: Thorin Date: 11/11/2012
Subject: AF and DCC sound cams
Good morning:

Has anyone given any thought about adding a sound cam for DCC to an American Flyer locomotive? Specifically a 343 0-8-0? I am not thinking of adding the cam to the tender wheels.

Any thoughts?
Thorin Marty
Wauwatosa, WI
Group: S-Trains Message: 70784 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/11/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/11/2012, 5:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday November 11, 2012
Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group

Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats: This event repeats every week.
Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM
 
Copyright © 2012  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: S-Trains Message: 70785 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 11/11/2012
Subject: Looking for Lionel bulb
Hi All,

I'm looking for a Lionel 610-2804-300 bulb. This goes in the light standards on some of the Lionel accessories like the roadside diner and Dino gas station. I found a couple on-line but hate the hassel of buying a $1.00 item. Does anyone have a spare sitting around?

Thanks,

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 70786 From: Jacques Date: 11/12/2012
Subject: Light Bulbs in 499?
Hi gang,

I got my 499 running like a racehorse, but both bulbs are out. I noticed that these bulbs have a metalic coating on them rather than a clear one. What's up with that? Is it a heat coating to protect the shell? Do I need to replace them with similar bulbs?

Jacques (it's snowing in Central Washington)
Group: S-Trains Message: 70787 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 11/12/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulbs in 499?
Hi Jacques.

When replacing the bulb in a 499, use a 14 volt bulb instead of a 18 volt. Also, if there is not aluminum foil tape on the underside of the hood at both ends, find some and put a large enough piece in to absorb the heat from the bulb. This will help to prevent the plastic from melting from the heat of a bulb.

harwoodHarwood

-----Original Message-----
From: Jacques <aflyerfan@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 12, 2012 11:19 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Light Bulbs in 499?




Hi gang,

I got my 499 running like a racehorse, but both bulbs are out. I noticed that these bulbs have a metalic coating on them rather than a clear one. What's up with that? Is it a heat coating to protect the shell? Do I need to replace them with similar bulbs?

Jacques (it's snowing in Central Washington)







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Group: S-Trains Message: 70788 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/12/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulbs in 499?
Hi Jacques,

I have noticed with some older incandescent bulbs that the metal in the
filament has partially vaporized and become a coating on the inside of
the glass. Check to see if you can remove the coating on the outside.
That will tell you if it is something you need or something that happened.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 11/12/2012 11:04 AM, Jacques wrote:
> Hi gang,
>
> I got my 499 running like a racehorse, but both bulbs are out. I noticed that these bulbs have a metalic coating on them rather than a clear one. What's up with that? Is it a heat coating to protect the shell? Do I need to replace them with similar bulbs?
>
> Jacques (it's snowing in Central Washington)
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70789 From: acgilbertguy Date: 11/12/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulbs in 499?
Harwood,

Is my thinking correct that a 18 volt bulb would burn cooler at any given voltage than a 14 volt bulb, but also would not be as bright?

Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jacques.
>
> When replacing the bulb in a 499, use a 14 volt bulb instead of a 18 volt. Also, if there is not aluminum foil tape on the underside of the hood at both ends, find some and put a large enough piece in to absorb the heat from the bulb. This will help to prevent the plastic from melting from the heat of a bulb.
>
> harwoodHarwood
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacques <aflyerfan@...>
> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 12, 2012 11:19 am
> Subject: [S-Trains] Light Bulbs in 499?
>
>
>
>
> Hi gang,
>
> I got my 499 running like a racehorse, but both bulbs are out. I noticed that these bulbs have a metalic coating on them rather than a clear one. What's up with that? Is it a heat coating to protect the shell? Do I need to replace them with similar bulbs?
>
> Jacques (it's snowing in Central Washington)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70790 From: David Date: 11/12/2012
Subject: HEAVY DUTY Wheel Puller Advertisement)
Looks like we will have photos of our NEW HEAVY DUTY WHEEL PULLER by
Fri. this week. I'll be going to our machine shop to pick up the first
three tomorrow (Wed.). As far as I know the price will be $55.00 ea.

More news later

Dave





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70791 From: Eric Date: 11/12/2012
Subject: Ore Cars for sale
I have 3 sets of 5 ore cars for sale.

1 set of 5 Great Northern red, 5 different numbers. High rail wheels,
knuckle couplers, no scale wheels , no kadee style couplers. $90.00

1 set of 5 Burlington Northern red, 5 different numbers, high rail wheels,
knuckle couplers, no scale wheels, no kadee couplers. $90.00

1 set of 5 Burlington Northern red, 5 different numbers, high rail wheels,
no couplers at all, no scale wheels. $80.00

Please note that these take a shorter length SHS coupler shank. I do
have some standard length SHS boxcar type couplers which I can put on that
third set for $85.00

Shipping 1 set $12, 2 sets $16, 3 sets $18.

All three for $275 and you'll have your own fleet of cars.

I could do an odd number, if you want 12 or something.

Let me know,
Thanks,

Eric Reis
Kenmore, Wa. 98028


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70792 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/12/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulbs in 499?
Yep


In a message dated 11/12/2012 12:40:31 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
milepost407@... writes:


Harwood,

Is my thinking correct that a 18 volt bulb would burn cooler at any given
voltage than a 14 volt bulb, but also would not be as bright?

Rich

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jacques.
>
> When replacing the bulb in a 499, use a 14 volt bulb instead of a 18
volt. Also, if there is not aluminum foil tape on the underside of the hood at
both ends, find some and put a large enough piece in to absorb the heat
from the bulb. This will help to prevent the plastic from melting from the
heat of a bulb.
>
> harwoodHarwood
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacques <aflyerfan@...>
> To: S-Trains <_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) >
> Sent: Mon, Nov 12, 2012 11:19 am
> Subject: [S-Trains] Light Bulbs in 499?
>
>
>
>
> Hi gang,
>
> I got my 499 running like a racehorse, but both bulbs are out. I noticed
that these bulbs have a metalic coating on them rather than a clear one.
What's up with that? Is it a heat coating to protect the shell? Do I need to
replace them with similar bulbs?
>
> Jacques (it's snowing in Central Washington)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







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Group: S-Trains Message: 70793 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 11/12/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulbs in 499?
#1447 is an 18 Volt Bulb. Gilbert #453 AF part #PA9723. Better used in GP-7 Diesels and 499 Electric where the cab is smaller.  Gilbert application calls for #1449 14 Volt Bulb, Gilbert #440, AF part #PA8999.
Also would recommend 24 Volt Bulb is switch housing #2447.
� Tom Seccia




________________________________
From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Light Bulbs in 499?


 
Yep


In a message dated 11/12/2012 12:40:31 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
milepost407@... writes:

Harwood,

Is my thinking correct that a 18 volt bulb would burn cooler at any given
voltage than a 14 volt bulb, but also would not be as bright?

Rich

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jacques.
>
> When replacing the bulb in a 499, use a 14 volt bulb instead of a 18
volt. Also, if there is not aluminum foil tape on the underside of the hood at
both ends, find some and put a large enough piece in to absorb the heat
from the bulb. This will help to prevent the plastic from melting from the
heat of a bulb.
>
> harwoodHarwood
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacques <aflyerfan@...>
> To: S-Trains <_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) >
> Sent: Mon, Nov 12, 2012 11:19 am
> Subject: [S-Trains] Light Bulbs in 499?
>
>
>
>
> Hi gang,
>
> I got my 499 running like a racehorse, but both bulbs are out. I noticed
that these bulbs have a metalic coating on them rather than a clear one.
What's up with that? Is it a heat coating to protect the shell? Do I need to
replace them with similar bulbs?
>
> Jacques (it's snowing in Central Washington)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70794 From: Alan Smith Date: 11/13/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulbs in 499?
The whole solution is change it to LED ‹ long lasting and Cool to boot.
Check out this option U might really like it.

I have a 312AC with this Mod and I really like it. Especially going thru
tunnels or over/under passes, it lights up the right-of- way just like a
real steamer would have in the 50¹s

Al


On 11/12/12 4:08 PM, "boss31@..." <boss31@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> Yep
>
>
> In a message dated 11/12/2012 12:40:31 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> milepost407@... <mailto:milepost407%40ymail.com> writes:
>
> Harwood,
>
> Is my thinking correct that a 18 volt bulb would burn cooler at any given
> voltage than a 14 volt bulb, but also would not be as bright?
>
> Rich
>
> --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> _
> (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ) ,
> HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Jacques.
>> >
>> > When replacing the bulb in a 499, use a 14 volt bulb instead of a 18
> volt. Also, if there is not aluminum foil tape on the underside of the hood
> at
> both ends, find some and put a large enough piece in to absorb the heat
> from the bulb. This will help to prevent the plastic from melting from the
> heat of a bulb.
>> >
>> > harwoodHarwood
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Jacques <aflyerfan@...>
>> > To: S-Trains <_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> _
> (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ) >
>> > Sent: Mon, Nov 12, 2012 11:19 am
>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Light Bulbs in 499?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi gang,
>> >
>> > I got my 499 running like a racehorse, but both bulbs are out. I noticed
> that these bulbs have a metalic coating on them rather than a clear one.
> What's up with that? Is it a heat coating to protect the shell? Do I need to
> replace them with similar bulbs?
>> >
>> > Jacques (it's snowing in Central Washington)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70795 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 11/13/2012
Subject: Re: Light Bulbs in 499?
You are right, I have it backward, 18 Volt is cooler.

Harwood



-----Original Message-----
From: boss31 <boss31@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 12, 2012 6:19 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Light Bulbs in 499?




Yep


In a message dated 11/12/2012 12:40:31 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
milepost407@... writes:

Harwood,

Is my thinking correct that a 18 volt bulb would burn cooler at any given
voltage than a 14 volt bulb, but also would not be as bright?

Rich

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jacques.
>
> When replacing the bulb in a 499, use a 14 volt bulb instead of a 18
volt. Also, if there is not aluminum foil tape on the underside of the hood at
both ends, find some and put a large enough piece in to absorb the heat
from the bulb. This will help to prevent the plastic from melting from the
heat of a bulb.
>
> harwoodHarwood
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacques <aflyerfan@...>
> To: S-Trains <_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) >
> Sent: Mon, Nov 12, 2012 11:19 am
> Subject: [S-Trains] Light Bulbs in 499?
>
>
>
>
> Hi gang,
>
> I got my 499 running like a racehorse, but both bulbs are out. I noticed
that these bulbs have a metalic coating on them rather than a clear one.
What's up with that? Is it a heat coating to protect the shell? Do I need to
replace them with similar bulbs?
>
> Jacques (it's snowing in Central Washington)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70796 From: George Dines Date: 11/15/2012
Subject: Lansing Train Show Sunday 11/18/12
Train Enthusiasts!

It’s that time of year again. The Lansing Model Railroad Club is holding its
2012 Train Show and Sale at the MSU Pavilion in East Lansing, Michigan on
Sunday, November 18, 2012
from 10:00 A.M. to 4:00 P.M.

If you have attended our show in the past then you know how great a show this
is:

- Largest Show in Michigan
- 520 sales tables (sorry, all tables are SOLD OUT)
- Live NMRA demonstrations of layout techniques
- Visiting layouts from Z to G scales including traction (trolleys)
- Adults $6, under 12 and scouts in uniform FREE
- Free Parking
- NEW!! Shuttle service for overflow parking

Bring the kids (or grandkids) for a great family event.

We hope to see you there.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70797 From: kerhart@frontier.com Date: 11/15/2012
Subject: LBR Enterprises
I want to notify the group that I received a package today from LBR. Its contents included the two locomotive chassis that I sent them and the parts that I ordered and prepaid. I want to thank LBR for fulfilling their contract. I wish them continued success.

Keith Erhart
Group: S-Trains Message: 70798 From: Eric Date: 11/16/2012
Subject: S Rolling stock for sale - Husky stack cars.
I have come up with a number of S Scale America Husky stack cars and
loads. About 20 cars and about 10 loads. There are 3 different Road
names, BN in red, TT in yellow and a third name in red. I think they are
all high rail wheels with kadee couplers. I do not have knuckle couplers
for these but could probably swap out the wheels for scale. They do all
have the original SSA boxes and inserts.

My plan is to sell most of them and I am asking $30 for the cars and $15
for the loads. If you want a quantity I can drop that to $25 and $10.

These are long and won't fit in normal small boxes so the bigger the
quantity the easier the shipping.

Make an offer! Send me an email for exact quantities of each road name,
etc. thanks

Let me know if you are interested

Eric Reis
Kenmore, Washington

ericRhere (at) gmail (dot) com


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70799 From: rick gough Date: 11/16/2012
Subject: Re: LBR Enterprises
Thanks for helping make a good company better and for informing us. This is what I wanted to hear.

rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70800 From: wb4hay Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Turntable power wires
I've got one of those, "I never heard that question before," questions. What or how were the wires that went to the yoke above the turntable bridge kept from tangling and getting to look like a lot of peoples phone handset wires? I tried looking at my standard reference for prototypes and real systems, "Danger Lights," but it isn't on camera long enough to really get an idea other than a guess of some heavy brass rods and washers. there seems to be at least four cables leading off at a tangent, but it is just a guess. I may not use the wires, but it would be fun to know how it worked. As Andy used to say, "Preciate it !!"

Kelly Johnson
Group: S-Trains Message: 70801 From: Kyle Russell Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Re: Turntable power wires
They use rotary slip rings. A quick web search turned up dozens of
suppliers with capacities from milliamp sensor signals to over 600 amps for
power applications. More than enough to power the turntable motors.

Kyle Russell

-----Original Message-----

I've got one of those, "I never heard that question before," questions.
What or how were the wires that went to the yoke above the turntable bridge
kept from tangling and getting to look like a lot of peoples phone handset
wires? I tried looking at my standard reference for prototypes and real
systems, "Danger Lights," but it isn't on camera long enough to really get
an idea other than a guess of some heavy brass rods and washers. there seems
to be at least four cables leading off at a tangent, but it is just a guess.
I may not use the wires, but it would be fun to know how it worked. As Andy
used to say, "Preciate it !!"

Kelly Johnson


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70802 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Re: Turntable Wires
Kelly,
Good question. The simple answer is "Slip Rings". Now the 'splanation-- At
the very center of the turntable bridge the wires from the motor controls,
etc. are affixed to a set of metal rings--authentically, probably phosphor
bronze, but maybe just brass. These turn with the table. A box is over all
this containing power brushes that rub on the rings--not unlike the ones in
your AF locomotive motor. The outside power comes from a nearby stationary
pole to this box, and the wires are individually connected to the brushes
(not having had one apart, I would assume (from looking at other similar
real items) that there are at least two brushes per wire to share the
electrical load and provide some redundancy for reliability). The box has
bearings that ride on the insulated part of the "column of rings" so it
stays stationary, and the box keeps rain, snow, etc. out of the wiring.
This COULD be done in miniature, but it's likely to be problematic!
Although, you could pick up one side of the track voltage from the ring
rail, and use just one rubbing contact on the bridge for the other side of
the track voltage. Of course, if you use a hollow pivot axle, you could
provide all sorts of separate circuits to the table from underneath the pit
(one advantage to modeling, we don't have to dig into the ground to put
stuff "underground" :) ). I'm thinking of signal lights, control booth
lighting, bridge lights,etc. Going a step further, with DCC you could have a
controller in the bridge and need only one circuit to the bridge.
Danger Will Robinson--thinking of ideas while typing!!
With modern LEDs, one could really go overboard with turntable details!
Hmmm. . . . . Now we are getting into the scale, rivet-counting arena!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70803 From: Robert Lampe Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Re: Turntable Wires
Just like in a tank. being a former tank commander I know these things lolol. All tanks ( or at least I believe all tanks) have a slip ring so as to get power from the hull to the turret in order to power such things as the radio, intercom and guns. I had a slip ring fail one time and as such lost power in the turret. The hull portion worked fine and as such the tank was driveable but no power to the radio, guns etc. I thank the good lord we were only on a training mission and not in actual combat. We were able to fire all guns manually but rotating the turret and elevating the main gun was a royal pain-in-the-neck. Everything was slowed to a crawl. The main dangewr was that i had no communications with my driver. We had to resort to the old fashioned method....yelling at the top of our lungs. The repair (replacement) of the slip ring took 4 to 6 hours and in a combat situation that would have been too long. Anyway, years ago in Model Railroader there was an article on how to build your own slip ring using the front hub of a bicycle wheel seemed to work pretty well for the author. Bob in KalispellTo: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: djdewey@...
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:06:39 -0800
Subject: [S-Trains] re: Turntable Wires


























Kelly,

Good question. The simple answer is "Slip Rings". Now the 'splanation-- At

the very center of the turntable bridge the wires from the motor controls,

etc. are affixed to a set of metal rings--authentically, probably phosphor

bronze, but maybe just brass. These turn with the table. A box is over all

this containing power brushes that rub on the rings--not unlike the ones in

your AF locomotive motor. The outside power comes from a nearby stationary

pole to this box, and the wires are individually connected to the brushes

(not having had one apart, I would assume (from looking at other similar

real items) that there are at least two brushes per wire to share the

electrical load and provide some redundancy for reliability). The box has

bearings that ride on the insulated part of the "column of rings" so it

stays stationary, and the box keeps rain, snow, etc. out of the wiring.

This COULD be done in miniature, but it's likely to be problematic!

Although, you could pick up one side of the track voltage from the ring

rail, and use just one rubbing contact on the bridge for the other side of

the track voltage. Of course, if you use a hollow pivot axle, you could

provide all sorts of separate circuits to the table from underneath the pit

(one advantage to modeling, we don't have to dig into the ground to put

stuff "underground" :) ). I'm thinking of signal lights, control booth

lighting, bridge lights,etc. Going a step further, with DCC you could have a

controller in the bridge and need only one circuit to the bridge.

Danger Will Robinson--thinking of ideas while typing!!

With modern LEDs, one could really go overboard with turntable details!

Hmmm. . . . . Now we are getting into the scale, rivet-counting arena!

S'

David D.


















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Group: S-Trains Message: 70804 From: David Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: THE HEAVY DUTY WHEEL PULLER IS HERE (Advertisement)
We now have the NEW HEAVY DUTY WHEEL PULLER at our web site in the tool
section. In addition we have also added another new tool, a smoke gear
puller for the AF steamers with an SIB smoke unit. To view/purchase
please the link below;
http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html> Thank you all for
your continuing support ;o) Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70805 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/18/2012, 5:00 pm
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Date:   Sunday November 18, 2012
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Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




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Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
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Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70806 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Bob Martin
Has anybody heard anything about Bob Martin? He hasn't responded to my e-mails lately, which is not like him at all. I'm concerned something has happened to him.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70807 From: Dale Smith Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Re: LBR Enterprises
I think you may be overly generous. Good companies don't fail to
communicate with their customers and when initially questioned pretend
they don'tknow who the customer isby their "???????" response. I do
give them credit for eventually correcting this situation, but I think
only time will tellwith LBR. They gave themselves a black eye here and
it needs time to heal by consistent good communication in the future. I
am sure they learned something in all of this.

Dale Smith
On 11/15/2012 7:34 PM, rick gough wrote:
>
> Thanks for helping make a good company better and for informing us.
> This is what I wanted to hear.
>
> rick gough
> mudshark datsun
> 510 racing
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70808 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/18/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/18/2012, 5:00 pm
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Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




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Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am
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Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70809 From: srgriggs Date: 11/19/2012
Subject: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine
The latest Classic Toy Trains has a review of the new MTH Pennsy 6-8-6 turbine locomotive. This is a smaller-than-scale locomotive for MTH's value line, but its proportions look much more like the prototype than the Lionel postwar turbine or MTH's bantam turbine, which was their first attempt at a compact turbine for small layouts. The length is about 24", with a 1.5" gap between tender a cab, which is very close to an S scale length of 23".

I'm wondering if MTH could have an S gauge version of this model in the pipeline.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70810 From: racin510 Date: 11/19/2012
Subject: Semaphore SAM Resistor
Can anyone give me the specs for this resistor? Off list please.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70811 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/19/2012
Subject: Re: Semaphore SAM Resistor
While I can't say for certain, I'd imagine it's the same as the #709 Lockout Eliminator.  Tom Barker's book American Flyer S Guage Operating & Repair Manualsays you can use a 10 ohm 10 watt resistor instead of the more
expensive Gilbert Lockout Eliminator.  I found such a resistor at
Radio Shack (#271-132) at two for $1.79 in May, 2005, and they work
great.



________________________________
From: racin510 <racin510@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:20 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Semaphore SAM Resistor


 
Can anyone give me the specs for this resistor? Off list please.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70812 From: rapidrail1 Date: 11/19/2012
Subject: Re: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine
I love it!!! The blind speculating has begun. What more fun can we get out of life?

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> wrote:
>
> The latest Classic Toy Trains has a review of the new MTH Pennsy 6-8-6 turbine locomotive. This is a smaller-than-scale locomotive for MTH's value line, but its proportions look much more like the prototype than the Lionel postwar turbine or MTH's bantam turbine, which was their first attempt at a compact turbine for small layouts. The length is about 24", with a 1.5" gap between tender a cab, which is very close to an S scale length of 23".
>
> I'm wondering if MTH could have an S gauge version of this model in the pipeline.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70813 From: Alan Lambert Date: 11/19/2012
Subject: Re: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine
From: Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth, Texas

Wayne, and all,

One way would be to send letters and e-mail's to MTH to let them know. I also use Facebook that they are on. I have been in contact with them that way and they seem to listen. Nuf said. Our input will paint the futur of our scale. High-rail and scale wheels included.
�Alan Lambert
From: rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine


I love it!!! The blind speculating has begun. What more fun can we get out of life?

Wayne

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> wrote:
>
> The latest Classic Toy Trains has a review of the new MTH Pennsy 6-8-6 turbine locomotive. This is a smaller-than-scale locomotive for MTH's value line, but its proportions look much more like the prototype than the Lionel postwar turbine or MTH's bantam turbine, which was their first attempt at a compact turbine for small layouts. The length is about 24", with a 1.5" gap between tender a cab, which is very close to an S scale length of 23".
>
> I'm wondering if MTH could have an S gauge version of this model in the pipeline.
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70814 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 11/19/2012
Subject: Re: Semaphore SAM Resistor
Hi Bob,
� Gilbert number for the resistor is PA11073.� You are correct.� It is the same for Sam and the 709. I found replacements for these marked 10W 10_K.� Bought these unpacked, not sure if these came from Radio Shack. I sell these Stock #AC0889 PA11073 Resistor $3.50 each. These are ceramic.
Tom Seccia



________________________________
From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Semaphore SAM Resistor


 
While I can't say for certain, I'd imagine it's the same as the #709 Lockout Eliminator.  Tom Barker's book American Flyer S Guage Operating & Repair Manualsays you can use a 10 ohm 10 watt resistor instead of the more
expensive Gilbert Lockout Eliminator.  I found such a resistor at
Radio Shack (#271-132) at two for $1.79 in May, 2005, and they work
great.

________________________________
From: racin510 <racin510@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:20 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Semaphore SAM Resistor


 
Can anyone give me the specs for this resistor? Off list please.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70815 From: wb4hay Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: Re: Turntable power wires
Guys--Thank you so much for the help and answers. I figured it was something like that--I am not gonna go as far as making it work in the authenic manner, but I sure am thinking about some leds on the bridge and in the "yard" area for the night operations I am building into the new layout. Once again, thanx.

Kelly

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wb4hay" <wb4hay@...> wrote:
>
> I've got one of those, "I never heard that question before," questions. What or how were the wires that went to the yoke above the turntable bridge kept from tangling and getting to look like a lot of peoples phone handset wires? I tried looking at my standard reference for prototypes and real systems, "Danger Lights," but it isn't on camera long enough to really get an idea other than a guess of some heavy brass rods and washers. there seems to be at least four cables leading off at a tangent, but it is just a guess. I may not use the wires, but it would be fun to know how it worked. As Andy used to say, "Preciate it !!"
>
> Kelly Johnson
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70816 From: rapidrail1 Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: Re: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine
Very good idea, Alan. I did that a couple of weeks ago and got a very nice reply from MTH. If enough of us agree on what is wanted and write MTH we might even see it. Probably the biggest thing I suggested was the E unit SHS talked about but never made.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
>   Fort Worth, Texas
>  
> Wayne, and all,
>  
> One way would be to send letters and e-mail's to MTH to let them know. I also use Facebook that they are on. I have been in contact with them that way and they seem to listen. Nuf said. Our input will paint the futur of our scale. High-rail and scale wheels included.
>  Alan Lambert
> From: rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 11:06 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70817 From: Alan Lambert Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: Re: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine
From: Alan Lambert
�Fort Worth, Texas

Wayne,
I would buy the turbine when and if it were available in "S guage". Glad you agree that MTH needs to know what we want for the future.
� Alan Lambert

From: rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 8:44 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine

 
Very good idea, Alan. I did that a couple of weeks ago and got a very nice reply from MTH. If enough of us agree on what is wanted and write MTH we might even see it. Probably the biggest thing I suggested was the E unit SHS talked about but never made.

Wayne

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
>   Fort Worth, Texas
>  
> Wayne, and all,
>  
> One way would be to send letters and e-mail's to MTH to let them know. I also use Facebook that they are on. I have been in contact with them that way and they seem to listen. Nuf said. Our input will paint the futur of our scale. High-rail and scale wheels included.
>  Alan Lambert
> From: rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...>
> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 11:06 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70818 From: ghslaw31 Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: CTA 4000
We have two CTA 4000s for sale that were to be purchased by another who was unable to complete the transaction. They are Hi Rail, AC, with interiors, interior lighting, and reversing headlights. One is in the yellow and green colr scheme and the other in the green and orange color scheme. They are priced at $475 per car plus shipping.
If interested or if more details are required please contact me at cgsiegel@...
Gerry Siegel
Group: S-Trains Message: 70819 From: Al Baker Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: Re: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine
I sent an email to MTH yesterday asking for the turbine. Got an automated reply, so at least I know they got it. I hope more of you write also...
Al Baker



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
>  Fort Worth, Texas
>  
> Wayne,
> I would buy the turbine when and if it were available in "S guage". Glad you agree that MTH needs to know what we want for the future.
>   Alan Lambert
>
> From: rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 8:44 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine
>
>  
> Very good idea, Alan. I did that a couple of weeks ago and got a very nice reply from MTH. If enough of us agree on what is wanted and write MTH we might even see it. Probably the biggest thing I suggested was the E unit SHS talked about but never made.
>
> Wayne
>
> --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@> wrote:
> >
> > From: Alan Lambert
> >   Fort Worth, Texas
> >  
> > Wayne, and all,
> >  
> > One way would be to send letters and e-mail's to MTH to let them know. I also use Facebook that they are on. I have been in contact with them that way and they seem to listen. Nuf said. Our input will paint the futur of our scale. High-rail and scale wheels included.
> >  Alan Lambert
> > From: rapidrail1 <beachy3929@>
> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 11:06 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Railking Imperial Line Pennsy Turbine
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70820 From: johntech Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: They're here!!
I just got my decoders in today and set one up to play. Made all kinds of changes,
messed it up so it wouldn't work any more and restored to factory. Made more changes
to learn how everything works. What a great time!!

Just finished up the paint yesterday on the body and ready to start wiring in the
lights and adding the accessories.

Johntech



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70821 From: rick gough Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: Re: Semaphore SAM Resistor
Is this also same as used in talking stations?
 
rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing


________________________________
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Semaphore SAM Resistor


 
Hi Bob,
  Gilbert number for the resistor is PA11073.  You are correct.  It is the same for Sam and the 709. I found replacements for these marked 10W 10_K.  Bought these unpacked, not sure if these came from Radio Shack. I sell these Stock #AC0889 PA11073 Resistor $3.50 each. These are ceramic.
Tom Seccia

________________________________
From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Semaphore SAM Resistor


 
While I can't say for certain, I'd imagine it's the same as the #709 Lockout Eliminator.  Tom Barker's book American Flyer S Guage Operating & Repair Manualsays you can use a 10 ohm 10 watt resistor instead of the more
expensive Gilbert Lockout Eliminator.  I found such a resistor at
Radio Shack (#271-132) at two for $1.79 in May, 2005, and they work
great.

________________________________
From: racin510 <racin510@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:20 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Semaphore SAM Resistor

 
Can anyone give me the specs for this resistor? Off list please.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70822 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: Re: Semaphore SAM Resistor
Unless I'm mistaken, Gilbert used the same in everything that stopped the train - Lockout Eliminator, Sam, talking station, cow on track, ...



________________________________
From: rick gough <racin510@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Semaphore SAM Resistor


 
Is this also same as used in talking stations?
 
rick gough
mudshark datsun
510 racing

________________________________
From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Semaphore SAM Resistor


 
Hi Bob,
  Gilbert number for the resistor is PA11073.  You are correct.  It is the same for Sam and the 709. I found replacements for these marked 10W 10_K.  Bought these unpacked, not sure if these came from Radio Shack. I sell these Stock #AC0889 PA11073 Resistor $3.50 each. These are ceramic.
Tom Seccia

________________________________
From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Semaphore SAM Resistor

 
While I can't say for certain, I'd imagine it's the same as the #709 Lockout Eliminator.  Tom Barker's book American Flyer S Guage Operating & Repair Manualsays you can use a 10 ohm 10 watt resistor instead of the more
expensive Gilbert Lockout Eliminator.  I found such a resistor at
Radio Shack (#271-132) at two for $1.79 in May, 2005, and they work
great.

________________________________
From: racin510 <racin510@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:20 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Semaphore SAM Resistor

 
Can anyone give me the specs for this resistor? Off list please.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70823 From: John Metzger Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: Fw: Macy's Train
Open up the St Louis Christmas S gauge Train layout anoucement. AFSGSLA has been doing this window since 1988. It is a DC 3 level layout with 7 trains operating 12 hours a day/7 days a week. Location is at 7th street and Locus street inside a large corner display window viewed from the street. Best thing is that it is free to view by the public. Train music is played while the layout is open and running. From John Metzger.  Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Group: S-Trains Message: 70824 From: Steven Allen Date: 11/21/2012
Subject: Santa's Trains at Look Park
For the 4th consecutive year, the Pioneer Valley S-Gaugers from W. MA and No. CT, will be operating 3 separate S-scale holiday train layouts (including a custom painted Polar Express Train)
at Look Park (300 North Main Street, in the Florence section of Northampton, MA). The layouts are whimsical DC operated hi-rail layouts. This years events will start on December 12th and run through Dec. 24th at the Garden House located just inside the main gate to the park. The hours are Dec 12 - Dec. 23 from 4:00pm to 8:00pm and on Christmas Eve from 10:00am to 2:00pm. Come visit the beautifully decorated Garden House, visit Santa and Mrs. Claus, have a hot chocolate and holiday cookie by the fireplace, and drive through the beautifully lighted park (all light displays were made by park employees and volunteers). The event is free to the public, donations are greatly appreciated. I uploaded some photos of the events to the photo section under Santa's Trains at Look Park. If anyone is in the area, we would love to have you attend this holiday event which is quickly becoming a local tradition. Happy Thanksgiving and have a Very Merry Christmas and a Safe and Happy New Year from the people at Look Park and the Pioneer Valley S-Gaugers.

Steven Allen
Springfield, MA
Group: S-Trains Message: 70825 From: Robert George Date: 11/21/2012
Subject: Re: Fw: Macy's Train
http://www.trainweb.org/afsgsla/


Bob George


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70826 From: Cary Date: 11/21/2012
Subject: Sam the Semaphore door
Does anyone on this list have a Sam the Semaphore door for sale or trade? I have the pin and spring, I only need a door. Willing to buy, or trade Mystic Station door bought in error. Contact me off list with reply. Thanks!

Cary J. Youmans
Group: S-Trains Message: 70827 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 11/21/2012
Subject: RULES ARE RULES --PIX
Rules and regulations will always trump common sense! Sometimes the consequences of that trump are devastating.






RULES ARE RULES!










The Good news:
It was a normal day in Sharon Springs , Kansas , when a Union Pacific crew boarded a loaded coal train for the long trek to Salina .

The Bad news:
Just a few miles into the trip a wheel bearing became overheated and melted, letting a metal support drop down and grind on the rail, creating white hot molten metal droppings spewing down to the rail.

The Good news:
A very alert crew noticed smoke about halfway back in the train and immediately stopped the train in compliance with the Governmental Regulations.

The Bad news:
The train stopped with the hot wheel over a wooden bridge with creosote ties and trusses. When the crew tried to explain to higher-ups they needed to move the train, they were instructed not to move the train because Federal Regulations prohibit moving the train when a part is defective. Well okee-dokey then, and the pictures tell the rest. As always the Government knows what is best for us.






REMEMBER, RULES ARE RULES!
Don't ever let common sense get in the way of a Government Regulation.















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Group: S-Trains Message: 70828 From: Scott Holm Date: 11/22/2012
Subject: Re: RULES ARE RULES --PIX
This incident happened because they stopped on a wooden bridge and didn't realize it until they walked back and saw it and then it was too late. It had nothing to do with rules prohibiting it from moving. That was invented by someone with an anti-government agenda.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70829 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 11/22/2012
Subject: RE;Rules are rules-pix
Scott is 100% correct, this incident had nothing to do with any government rules. It was written up in Trains magazine some time back, including the photos. The original e-mail hit the Internet about the same time and also made no mention of any FRA rules, just that it was unfortunate that the train stopped where it did.

This is at least the fourth time I have seen a manipulated e-mail citing this incident. It was rewritten to purposely deceive the unwary and further a certain agenda.

As a former "Talk Radio" personality and current politcal/current events blogger, I see crap like this all the time. It often takes a bit of research to seperate "signal" from "noise" in a story. In this case the intent of the manipulated e-mail is "noise."

Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70830 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 11/22/2012
Subject: Re: RULES ARE RULES --PIX
Hi Scott:
Thanks for setting the record straight, especially with your last comment -
agree totally with you. Pic has been shown many moons ago on this list.

Happy Thanksgiving to all, from one across the pond who is in Alabama
celebrating Thanksgiving with kids and grandchildren.
Regards
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway - on temporary duty in Montgomery)

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Scott Holm <imsscott@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> This incident happened because they stopped on a wooden bridge and didn't
> realize it until they walked back and saw it and then it was too late. It
> had nothing to do with rules prohibiting it from moving. That was invented
> by someone with an anti-government agenda.
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70831 From: David Date: 11/22/2012
Subject: UNANNOUNCED 1 DAY OFFER! (Advertisement)
UNANNOUNCED 1 DAY OFFER! For 1 Day Only you can purchase one of our
"S" gage "HEAVY DUTY WHEEL PULLERS" for $49.50. That is a savings of
$5.50 over our regular price of $55.00. This offer is good for today
only (11-22-2012). Simply go to our web site at
http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html> and purchase as many
wheel pullers as you want. After they have been paid for through PAY PAL
we will refund $5.50 for each one you have purchased to you through PAY
PAL. This offer ends at 12:00 midnight on 11-22-2012.
Please allow 14-21 working days for delivery Thank you all for your
continuing support. LBR


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70832 From: Timboy Date: 11/22/2012
Subject: My New Train Table
Hi,

I completed building the train table I will use to make a Sibley-like display layout. Now I can concentrate on laying down some track. Here is a link to my blog that has more detail and some pics:

http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Tim
Group: S-Trains Message: 70833 From: Brady Date: 11/22/2012
Subject: MTH #46 Crossing Gate and Signal
Several years ago I picked one of these up for $25, it's a copy of a Lionel pre-war accessory

http://www.mthtrains.com/content/30-11017

I recently dug it out to see how it looks with Flyer. The traffic gate is 6" and the pedestrian gate is 2.5". The road is the same height as Flyer track (without roadbed). The light bulbs on the traffic gate have metal wire/base clips attached to them so the lights look like lanterns.

I think the #46 looks pretty good in a world where #760 flashers still protect grade crossings

MTH also sold a double gate version..

http://www.mthtrains.com/content/30-1080


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 70834 From: Robert E. Wilson Date: 11/22/2012
Subject: AF Water Tank
Free to a Good Home - AF Water Tank: I have two American Flyer #596 water
tanks and want to free some storage space. The free tank (you ship) is
generally in good shape below the roof line. This tank has a home-made
segmented roof, original lamp holder, and a red pilot light (panel
indicator) on top of the peaked roof. The tank has the electromagnet, but
is missing the connector rods between the electromagnet and the spout. The
electromagnet is not discolored. I can pack, weigh the shipment, and let
you know the price of shipping.

Also I have a duplicate AF #586F Wayside Station. Please make an offer.
The station is in generally good shape but has a slightly dented roof that
was badly re-painted by someone.



Bob in Arvada Colorado





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70835 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 11/24/2012
Subject: SnS Trains web site
Our web site is officially dead as of now. We are looking for a new host
and perhaps different style web site too. Still able to communicate via
phone. 208-376-1159
Steve

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70836 From: Lennis Hall Date: 11/24/2012
Subject: Re: SnS Trains web site
Ok.  Let me know if I can help.

Len



________________________________
From: "SnSTrains@..." <SnSTrains@...>
To: s-scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 11:37 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] SnS Trains web site


 
Our web site is officially dead as of now. We are looking for a new host
and perhaps different style web site too. Still able to communicate via
phone. 208-376-1159
Steve

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70837 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/24/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/26/2012, 1:00 am
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Monday November 26, 2012
Time:   1:00 am - 7:30 am
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group

Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats: This event repeats every week.
Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70838 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/25/2012
Subject: SP Daylight set for sale (NEW)
I have a Southern Pacific ALCO Daylight set from 1981, new in the boxes
for sale. It includes the extra "B" unit with sound.

Contact off line if interested.
Steve Blackburn
_Boss31@..._ (mailto:Boss31@...) or 208-376-1159



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70839 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/25/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/26/2012, 1:00 am
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Monday November 26, 2012
Time:   1:00 am - 7:30 am
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group

Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats: This event repeats every week.
Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70840 From: David Date: 11/25/2012
Subject: 3 Day Smoke Sale (Advertisement)
11-25-2012 thru 11-28-2012 ONLY 3 DAY SALE on our #SC-8 "SMOKE CLOUD"
liquid smoke fluid. Although formulated for American Flyer (1946-1966)
steamers this fluid will produce clouds of smoke in most every smoke
unit requiring a smoke fluid. Eight (8) fluid ounces: Reg. $34.50 for 3
days ONLY $25.50 (includes USPS PRIORITY shipping in CONUS).
Simply go to our web site at
http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html> and purchase a bottle
of our "SMOKE CLOUD" smoke fluid and we will refund $9.00 per bottle
purchased to your credit card account. These bottles are sure to
go fast and we have a limited amount so order quickly before they are
all gone Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT
IDEAS. Dave @ LBR


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70841 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/25/2012
Subject: Re: 3 Day Smoke Sale (Advertisement)
My EVERYDAY price is $.50 lower & comes with a like it or NO QUESTIONS
ASKED refund, includes shipping. You can order anytime & I have enough, so no
need to rush. Makes a great stocking stuffer.
PS: 1 bottle & dropper is $13.50... Mike


In a message dated 11/25/2012 12:03:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
reujan2000@... writes:




11-25-2012 thru 11-28-2012 ONLY 3 DAY SALE on our #SC-8 "SMOKE CLOUD"
liquid smoke fluid. Although formulated for American Flyer (1946-1966)
steamers this fluid will produce clouds of smoke in most every smoke
unit requiring a smoke fluid. Eight (8) fluid ounces: Reg. $34.50 for 3
days ONLY $25.50 (includes USPS PRIORITY shipping in CONUS).
Simply go to our web site at
_http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html_
(http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html)
<_http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html_
(http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html) > and purchase a bottle
of our "SMOKE CLOUD" smoke fluid and we will refund $9.00 per bottle
purchased to your credit card account. These bottles are sure to
go fast and we have a limited amount so order quickly before they are
all gone Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT
IDEAS. Dave @ LBR

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70842 From: Robert Lampe Date: 11/25/2012
Subject: Re: 3 Day Smoke Sale (Advertisement)
Here's the $64 question. Has anyone ever figured out how to get smoke fluid to release black smoke?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: anormal1@...
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 15:11:34 -0500
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 3 Day Smoke Sale (Advertisement)


























My EVERYDAY price is $.50 lower & comes with a like it or NO QUESTIONS

ASKED refund, includes shipping. You can order anytime & I have enough, so no

need to rush. Makes a great stocking stuffer.

PS: 1 bottle & dropper is $13.50... Mike





In a message dated 11/25/2012 12:03:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

reujan2000@... writes:



11-25-2012 thru 11-28-2012 ONLY 3 DAY SALE on our #SC-8 "SMOKE CLOUD"

liquid smoke fluid. Although formulated for American Flyer (1946-1966)

steamers this fluid will produce clouds of smoke in most every smoke

unit requiring a smoke fluid. Eight (8) fluid ounces: Reg. $34.50 for 3

days ONLY $25.50 (includes USPS PRIORITY shipping in CONUS).

Simply go to our web site at

_http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html_

(http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html)

<_http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html_

(http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html) > and purchase a bottle

of our "SMOKE CLOUD" smoke fluid and we will refund $9.00 per bottle

purchased to your credit card account. These bottles are sure to

go fast and we have a limited amount so order quickly before they are

all gone Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT

IDEAS. Dave @ LBR



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70843 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/25/2012
Subject: Re: 3 Day Smoke Sale (Advertisement)
Not yet.


In a message dated 11/25/2012 2:47:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
danceswithwolves49@... writes:




Here's the $64 question. Has anyone ever figured out how to get smoke fluid
to release black smoke?

To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 15:11:34 -0500
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 3 Day Smoke Sale (Advertisement)

My EVERYDAY price is $.50 lower & comes with a like it or NO QUESTIONS

ASKED refund, includes shipping. You can order anytime & I have enough, so
no

need to rush. Makes a great stocking stuffer.

PS: 1 bottle & dropper is $13.50... Mike

In a message dated 11/25/2012 12:03:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

_reujan2000@..._ (mailto:reujan2000@...) writes:

11-25-2012 thru 11-28-2012 ONLY 3 DAY SALE on our #SC-8 "SMOKE CLOUD"

liquid smoke fluid. Although formulated for American Flyer (1946-1966)

steamers this fluid will produce clouds of smoke in most every smoke

unit requiring a smoke fluid. Eight (8) fluid ounces: Reg. $34.50 for 3

days ONLY $25.50 (includes USPS PRIORITY shipping in CONUS).

Simply go to our web site at

__http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html__
(http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html_)

(_http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html_
(http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html) )

<__http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html__
(http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html_)

(_http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html_
(http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html) ) > and purchase a bottle

of our "SMOKE CLOUD" smoke fluid and we will refund $9.00 per bottle

purchased to your credit card account. These bottles are sure to

go fast and we have a limited amount so order quickly before they are

all gone Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT

IDEAS. Dave @ LBR

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70844 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 11/25/2012
Subject: Re: 3 Day Smoke Sale (Advertisement)
I hope not because if the jury is still out on taking hot
petro-chemical vapors into the lungs I would suspect that it would
not be out long on burnt or insoluble particles. Alistair 

----- Original Message -----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
To:
Cc:
Sent:Sun, 25 Nov 2012 15:46:05 -0700
Subject:RE: [S-Trains] 3 Day Smoke Sale (Advertisement)

 

Here's the $64 question. Has anyone ever figured out how to get
smoke fluid to release black smoke?

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1]
From: anormal1@... [2]
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 15:11:34 -0500
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 3 Day Smoke Sale (Advertisement)

My EVERYDAY price is $.50 lower & comes with a like it or NO
QUESTIONS

ASKED refund, includes shipping. You can order anytime & I have
enough, so no

need to rush. Makes a great stocking stuffer.

PS: 1 bottle & dropper is $13.50... Mike

In a message dated 11/25/2012 12:03:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

reujan2000@... [3] writes:

11-25-2012 thru 11-28-2012 ONLY 3 DAY SALE on our #SC-8 "SMOKE
CLOUD"

liquid smoke fluid. Although formulated for American Flyer
(1946-1966)

steamers this fluid will produce clouds of smoke in most every smoke

unit requiring a smoke fluid. Eight (8) fluid ounces: Reg. $34.50
for 3

days ONLY $25.50 (includes USPS PRIORITY shipping in CONUS).

Simply go to our web site at

_http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html_ [4]

(http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html [5])

and purchase a bottle

of our "SMOKE CLOUD" smoke fluid and we will refund $9.00 per bottle

purchased to your credit card account. These bottles are sure to

go fast and we have a limited amount so order quickly before they
are

all gone Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT

IDEAS. Dave @ LBR

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70845 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/25/2012
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID
My first E-Mail did not explain my pricing clearly. Here is a better idea:
1-4oz bottle with dropper & shipping is :$13.50
2-4oz bottles with 2 droppers & Shipping is: $25.00
These are my everyday prices. Contact me off list.



Anormal1 Smoke Fluid
Michael Strickland
211 Summit Ave
Medford, Ore
97501

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70846 From: Brady Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: Crossing Gates circa 1954
Group: S-Trains Message: 70847 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: black smoke
Here's the $64 question. Has anyone ever figured out how to get smoke fluid to release black smoke?

  Try wearing a dark grey pair of sunglasses and have a couple of beers and it might be close! Of course this is tongue in cheek! Don't take it to seriously! Chris Burger AKA Cbtrainnut

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70848 From: Obie Bell Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: Re: Crossing Gates circa 1954
Hello Brady, Thanks for sharing this and other sites. There are some very nice photos in them. Obie Bell
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: brady@...
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:45:55 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Crossing Gates circa 1954




























http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=1899



http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=1897



Lots of nice color RR photos on this site..



Brady


















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Group: S-Trains Message: 70849 From: johntech Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: Re: Crossing Gates circa 1954
I think a few pieces of balsa wood and a servo below the table would make a nice set of
crossing gates!! Thanks for the photos.

John
----- Original Message -----
From: Brady
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 8:45 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Crossing Gates circa 1954




http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=1899

http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=1897

Lots of nice color RR photos on this site..

Brady



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70850 From: kathre1 Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Lionel Big Boy
Hi Members,
Recently I have been able to devote time to my trains. I began assessing the possibilities of installing a few AF accessories that I have never gotten to. Come to find out, for one, the AF BB frame interferes with nearly all--(Mail Pickup; Animated Station just to name these). Not sure what I will do there--looks like you are limited on location and track-use if you intend to use the locomotive on all track. I do not like the idea of placing these items on spur track locations. Another problem which developed with my BB is the chugging sound seems disjointed--like a cylinder is missing! In removing the engine body just to see how the beast works, I noticed a couple of wires pinched by location. It is also apparent that a gray wire running to the front pilot exits the frame underneath through a tiny opening with another wire and that opening is unprotected (no insulating grommet seen). Needless to say, with the pilot swinging in action, there is movement on that gray wire as a result. The wires from the rear driver wheel assembly also run up into the circuitry level in a tight squeeze and they look to be "busy" with movement when the wheel assembly swings. So if you look at the overall situation with the wiring, sooner or later, a short may occur from fraying somewhere? These wires are not your 1950s Gilbert heavy gauge, but rather the modern hair sized wires which you can almost pinch off with your fingers. It is interesting that they have designed a rotating disk with a magnetic sensor pickup, for the sound, much like the ABS brake system sensors operate on automobiles! ...And some ABS sensors are very sensitive to dirt I heard. I cleaned the wheels thinking that a culprit might be the age old issue of electrical pickup---no change. It is handy to rotate the disks on top of the motors to move the drivers. I was not able to isolate the pickup locations on this engine. They appear multiple because I isolated the front pilot and the engine still runs. As far as the chugging is concerned, haven't got a clue? While it would be nice to install an operating coupler on the tender (and Carl did give an excellent instruction on how to remove the BB Lionel Coupler), I am not a machinist and have no ability to alter this equipment.

JR
Group: S-Trains Message: 70851 From: carl@tuveson.com Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy
JR,.

The missing Chuff is probably due to a miss adjusted micro switch on the
rear drivers.
It only takes a few thousands of an inch to make a difference.

Carl



-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of kathre1
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Big Boy



Hi Members,
Recently I have been able to devote time to my trains. I began assessing
the possibilities of installing a few AF accessories that I have never
gotten to. Come to find out, for one, the AF BB frame interferes with nearly
all--(Mail Pickup; Animated Station just to name these). Not sure what I
will do there--looks like you are limited on location and track-use if you
intend to use the locomotive on all track. I do not like the idea of placing
these items on spur track locations. Another problem which developed with my
BB is the chugging sound seems disjointed--like a cylinder is missing! In
removing the engine body just to see how the beast works, I noticed a couple
of wires pinched by location. It is also apparent that a gray wire running
to the front pilot exits the frame underneath through a tiny opening with
another wire and that opening is unprotected (no insulating grommet seen).
Needless to say, with the pilot swinging in action, there is movement on
that gray wire as a result. The wires from the rear driver wheel assembly
also run up into the circuitry level in a tight squeeze and they look to be
"busy" with movement when the wheel assembly swings. So if you look at the
overall situation with the wiring, sooner or later, a short may occur from
fraying somewhere? These wires are not your 1950s Gilbert heavy gauge, but
rather the modern hair sized wires which you can almost pinch off with your
fingers. It is interesting that they have designed a rotating disk with a
magnetic sensor pickup, for the sound, much like the ABS brake system
sensors operate on automobiles! ...And some ABS sensors are very sensitive
to dirt I heard. I cleaned the wheels thinking that a culprit might be the
age old issue of electrical pickup---no change. It is handy to rotate the
disks on top of the motors to move the drivers. I was not able to isolate
the pickup locations on this engine. They appear multiple because I isolated
the front pilot and the engine still runs. As far as the chugging is
concerned, haven't got a clue? While it would be nice to install an
operating coupler on the tender (and Carl did give an excellent instruction
on how to remove the BB Lionel Coupler), I am not a machinist and have no
ability to alter this equipment.

JR






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Group: S-Trains Message: 70852 From: Lou Templeton Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy
Carl does a super job on narrowing the trailing truck and tender truck and
wheels to be able to clear the trackside pickups. He did my Big Boy and it
looks great.

Lou


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70853 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Lionel Big Boy
Carl narrowed mine too. Recommend you have him do it. Looks much better and
clears everything.
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


In a message dated 11/27/2012 11:26:43 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
letempleton3@... writes:




Carl does a super job on narrowing the trailing truck and tender truck and
wheels to be able to clear the trackside pickups. He did my Big Boy and it
looks great.

Lou








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Group: S-Trains Message: 70854 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Re: SHS...Last day of sales, this Friday....
Robin and I are back from our month long trip visiting Ben and family in Japan. Last week, we spent our first weekend on the sailboat. Things are getting back to normal here, but still need to clean out two warehouses for closings in the next two weeks. Yesterday we sent out most of the back orders. We have been very busy taking phone orders. Friday will be our last day of taking orders so if there are any parts you would like to stock up on from us, now is the time. We will continue shipping until all of the orders are filled. While in Japan, I revised the SHS Update and the order form, and Bill has uploaded them to the website. Again, we only have parts and some track left for sale.

You can find a link to the revised SHS Update and order form on our new website:

www.stacktalk.com

Right now, the sale is continuing. For those who do not know, orders over $200 MSRP (yes, order $200 worth of parts and pay $100 plus exact shipping).

If you have a repair with us I want to apologies for any delays. Our good friend and repair guy, Bill had knee replacement and it still in rehab. Items and installs will be completed.

We are in the process of transferring our repair/DCC install business to some long time friends. Mike has asked me not to announce who they are until all of the particulars are worked out. A press release will be forthcoming.

Next, if you have a deposit on a Christmas car, you can use this for the sale or we will be refunding your deposit if we do not hear from you...

Lastly, Mike and I want to thank all of our customers and friends that have helped us over the years with bringing what we feel were the best in S Scale products.

Don
PS This week the following were sold out...

00926 5" Bumper - unlighted
01038 Bumper red w/ no track
00255 Feeder wires w/spade connector (12")
02153 Switcher Cab interior kit with crew
02154 Switcher Cab interior kit with crew. Unpainted
01669 Steam Locomotive Crew, hand painted (2 figures
00533 Switch controller.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70856 From: Ray Puls Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: BB clearance
I will add my vote for Carls expertize in reworking the Big Boy to allow for the use of opperating accessories where this giant will run. He did an excellent job on my engine and he also leveled out the tender on my engine, it will now back through Gilbert flyer switches without falling over.
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70857 From: Alan Lambert Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Re: Original Boxes
From: Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth, Texas
????????.
Please sign your next post. We like to know "who" you are.

Alan Lambert


From: piccu56 <piccu56@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:07 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Original Boxes

 
I am in need of the following original American Flyer S boxes. They don't have to be bricks, but need to be nice with a reasonable price. These would be the 1954 thru 1956 box style with the yellow body with blue bars and blue outlined lettering.

946 Floodlight Car
944 Crane Car
945 Work Car
953 Combine
0-8-0 Wrapper

787 Log Loader (Brown corrugated box.)

Also, is anyone reproducing the set boxes? I see the labels, but not the boxes.

Thanks




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70858 From: Steven Allen Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Re: Original Boxes
I know there were some repo boxes produced, not sure who did them. You might want to check with Doug Peck from Port Line Hobby Supplies (www.portlines.com), he might know or possibly have some.

Steven Allen

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "piccu56" <piccu56@...> wrote:
>
> I am in need of the following original American Flyer S boxes. They don't have to be bricks, but need to be nice with a reasonable price. These would be the 1954 thru 1956 box style with the yellow body with blue bars and blue outlined lettering.
>
> 946 Floodlight Car
> 944 Crane Car
> 945 Work Car
> 953 Combine
> 0-8-0 Wrapper
>
> 787 Log Loader (Brown corrugated box.)
>
> Also, is anyone reproducing the set boxes? I see the labels, but not the boxes.
>
> Thanks
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70859 From: NEIL Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: American Models GG-1 help
My GG-1 suddenly stopped running. The lights work but nothing else. It has been working fine. The only thing I've done different lately is I discovered that if I sent a short DC pulse to the track it would activate the bell. I run in conventional mode. Any ideas? Did I fry the control board?

Thanks,
Neil in Oregon
Group: S-Trains Message: 70860 From: Jerry Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 help
Hi Neil,

The AM GG1 is usually pretty reliable, I've had mine running for at
least 8 or 9 years without much trouble. It's AC with full sounds, and
one of the first ones made. That loco has logged more miles on it than
any other I have.

It sounds like you have access to the control board if the bell sounds.
If you reverse your DC pulse, the horn should sound. Anyway, when you
cycle the reverse unit, do you hear a faint click? If so, then the
board is fine. If not, it may be the problem, but not for sure. Take
the shell off and inspect the wiring to the motor from the board. The
pick up from the wheels is probably fine since you have bell sounds.
You may have a broken wire to the motor. Check continuity. Put a
multimeter, or just a light bulb on the motor wires. If the bulb
doesn't light, you have a faulty reverse circuit. If the bulb lights,
your motor may be bad. Sometimes the motor will just find a dead spot
and that might indicate a motor with a short life span. Try spinning
the armature and see of it will work when power is applied. If the
motor is faulty, AM has replacements available for $18 - $20 plus
flywheel. Pretty reasonable. Their circuit boards, however, are pretty
steep. The GG1 runs $150 with speakers, but perhaps a slight discount
may be available if you don't want the speaker. Call them if need be.
You could always forgo the sounds and just install a plain reverse unit
for $45.

I hope that helps. If you still need assistance, don't hesitate to
either post on the forum, or contact me directly.

Since I've had mine, I've rewired the pick-ups to channel DC directly to
the motor for DC operation on my club's layout, and installed different
light bulbs (directional) for the headlights, and drilled out the marker
lights, which are now illuminated.

Jerry Poniatowski
Running Hi-Rail and Flyer in Wayne, MI



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "NEIL" <bowlsalot2@...> wrote:
>
> My GG-1 suddenly stopped running. The lights work but nothing else.
It has been working fine. The only thing I've done different lately is
I discovered that if I sent a short DC pulse to the track it would
activate the bell. I run in conventional mode. Any ideas? Did I fry the
control board?
>
> Thanks,
> Neil in Oregon
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70861 From: piccu56 Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: Original Boxes
Why is the name so important? Do you have any of the boxes to help me or not?



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
>
> From: Alan Lambert
>   Fort Worth, Texas
> ????????.
> Please sign your next post. We like to know "who" you are.
>  
> Alan Lambert
>
>
> From: piccu56 <piccu56@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:07 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Original Boxes
>
>  
> I am in need of the following original American Flyer S boxes. They don't have to be bricks, but need to be nice with a reasonable price. These would be the 1954 thru 1956 box style with the yellow body with blue bars and blue outlined lettering.
>
> 946 Floodlight Car
> 944 Crane Car
> 945 Work Car
> 953 Combine
> 0-8-0 Wrapper
>
> 787 Log Loader (Brown corrugated box.)
>
> Also, is anyone reproducing the set boxes? I see the labels, but not the boxes.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70862 From: Neil Trump Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: Original Boxes
It is important because it is to be polite, have manners and be respectful.

Whenever you post a letter to anyone do you sign it with your name? I would like to think so. When you receive post do you see a signature from a person? I would like to think so.

I guess if you want people to help with finding those boxes as mentioned, it would be nice to know who they are corresponding with, otherwise they might just dismiss your request as being a bit short on the niceties of life.

Regards,

Neil


On 29 Nov 2012, at 12:54, "piccu56" <piccu56@...> wrote:

> Why is the name so important? Do you have any of the boxes to help me or not?
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Alan Lambert
> > Fort Worth, Texas
> > ????????.
> > Please sign your next post. We like to know "who" you are.
> >
> > Alan Lambert
> >
> >
> > From: piccu56 <piccu56@...>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:07 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Original Boxes
> >
> > Â
> > I am in need of the following original American Flyer S boxes. They don't have to be bricks, but need to be nice with a reasonable price. These would be the 1954 thru 1956 box style with the yellow body with blue bars and blue outlined lettering.
> >
> > 946 Floodlight Car
> > 944 Crane Car
> > 945 Work Car
> > 953 Combine
> > 0-8-0 Wrapper
> >
> > 787 Log Loader (Brown corrugated box.)
> >
> > Also, is anyone reproducing the set boxes? I see the labels, but not the boxes.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70863 From: NEIL Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 help
Hi Jerry,

Thanks for the info. The bell quit working along with everything else except the lights. Since the lights get their power directly from the trucks and when I applied DC power directly to the motor it ran, I think it has to be the board. I guess I'll be installing a Dalee 400 unless I can find a replacement board at a reasonable price.

Thanks again,
Neil in Oregon



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Neil,
>
> The AM GG1 is usually pretty reliable, I've had mine running for at
> least 8 or 9 years without much trouble. It's AC with full sounds, and
> one of the first ones made. That loco has logged more miles on it than
> any other I have.
>
> It sounds like you have access to the control board if the bell sounds.
> If you reverse your DC pulse, the horn should sound. Anyway, when you
> cycle the reverse unit, do you hear a faint click? If so, then the
> board is fine. If not, it may be the problem, but not for sure. Take
> the shell off and inspect the wiring to the motor from the board. The
> pick up from the wheels is probably fine since you have bell sounds.
> You may have a broken wire to the motor. Check continuity. Put a
> multimeter, or just a light bulb on the motor wires. If the bulb
> doesn't light, you have a faulty reverse circuit. If the bulb lights,
> your motor may be bad. Sometimes the motor will just find a dead spot
> and that might indicate a motor with a short life span. Try spinning
> the armature and see of it will work when power is applied. If the
> motor is faulty, AM has replacements available for $18 - $20 plus
> flywheel. Pretty reasonable. Their circuit boards, however, are pretty
> steep. The GG1 runs $150 with speakers, but perhaps a slight discount
> may be available if you don't want the speaker. Call them if need be.
> You could always forgo the sounds and just install a plain reverse unit
> for $45.
>
> I hope that helps. If you still need assistance, don't hesitate to
> either post on the forum, or contact me directly.
>
> Since I've had mine, I've rewired the pick-ups to channel DC directly to
> the motor for DC operation on my club's layout, and installed different
> light bulbs (directional) for the headlights, and drilled out the marker
> lights, which are now illuminated.
>
> Jerry Poniatowski
> Running Hi-Rail and Flyer in Wayne, MI
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "NEIL" <bowlsalot2@> wrote:
> >
> > My GG-1 suddenly stopped running. The lights work but nothing else.
> It has been working fine. The only thing I've done different lately is
> I discovered that if I sent a short DC pulse to the track it would
> activate the bell. I run in conventional mode. Any ideas? Did I fry the
> control board?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Neil in Oregon
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70864 From: Karl Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: 'S' friendly Hobby shops - Twin Cities Area
Hi
My wife and I are heading up to the Twin Cities area for a couple of days. Are there any 'S' friendly Hobby shops in the Twin Cities area that I should stop in at?
Any info/advice appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Karl
Group: S-Trains Message: 70865 From: Jerry Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 help
Hi Neil,

You're welcome on the help. That's what this forum is all about.

As a last resort, did you check the wires leading into the circuit board? It's possible one is broken internally, either at the wiper or the board itself. I had one break like that, and it was a bear to diagnose. With the swing those trucks make, it's not too surprising a wire breaks now and then.

If the DC pulse you sent in to the board fried it, it must have been one HECK of a pulse! The sounds themselves are activated via a DC pulse imposed on the AC.

Anyway, as long as you're OK without sounds, that's fine. When I run mine on DC, the sounds are not there, as cool as they are. But I had to install two DPDT slide switches to bypass the board and large capacitor.

Have fun, that's what it's all about in the hobby, isn't it?

Jerry in Michagan



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "NEIL" <bowlsalot2@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> Thanks for the info. The bell quit working along with everything else except the lights. Since the lights get their power directly from the trucks and when I applied DC power directly to the motor it ran, I think it has to be the board. I guess I'll be installing a Dalee 400 unless I can find a replacement board at a reasonable price.
>
> Thanks again,
> Neil in Oregon
Group: S-Trains Message: 70866 From: kathre1 Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy
Thanks---I'll have to find out.
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote:
>
> Carl narrowed mine too. Recommend you have him do it. Looks much better and
> clears everything.
> Steve
> SnS Trains
> Boise
>
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2012 11:26:43 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> letempleton3@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Carl does a super job on narrowing the trailing truck and tender truck and
> wheels to be able to clear the trackside pickups. He did my Big Boy and it
> looks great.
>
> Lou
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70867 From: kathre1 Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy
Thanks Carl---I'll have to ask you= what can you do to adjust a micro switch? Of course, I have not looked at the engine yet. A micro-switch to me used to be one of those red/black jacketed switches which are still used in appliances--obviously not in this BB.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote:
>
> JR,.
>
> The missing Chuff is probably due to a miss adjusted micro switch on the
> rear drivers.
> It only takes a few thousands of an inch to make a difference.
>
> Carl
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
> Of kathre1
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:26 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Big Boy
>
>
>
> Hi Members,
> Recently I have been able to devote time to my trains. I began assessing
> the possibilities of installing a few AF accessories that I have never
> gotten to. Come to find out, for one, the AF BB frame interferes with nearly
> all--(Mail Pickup; Animated Station just to name these). Not sure what I
> will do there--looks like you are limited on location and track-use if you
> intend to use the locomotive on all track. I do not like the idea of placing
> these items on spur track locations. Another problem which developed with my
> BB is the chugging sound seems disjointed--like a cylinder is missing! In
> removing the engine body just to see how the beast works, I noticed a couple
> of wires pinched by location. It is also apparent that a gray wire running
> to the front pilot exits the frame underneath through a tiny opening with
> another wire and that opening is unprotected (no insulating grommet seen).
> Needless to say, with the pilot swinging in action, there is movement on
> that gray wire as a result. The wires from the rear driver wheel assembly
> also run up into the circuitry level in a tight squeeze and they look to be
> "busy" with movement when the wheel assembly swings. So if you look at the
> overall situation with the wiring, sooner or later, a short may occur from
> fraying somewhere? These wires are not your 1950s Gilbert heavy gauge, but
> rather the modern hair sized wires which you can almost pinch off with your
> fingers. It is interesting that they have designed a rotating disk with a
> magnetic sensor pickup, for the sound, much like the ABS brake system
> sensors operate on automobiles! ...And some ABS sensors are very sensitive
> to dirt I heard. I cleaned the wheels thinking that a culprit might be the
> age old issue of electrical pickup---no change. It is handy to rotate the
> disks on top of the motors to move the drivers. I was not able to isolate
> the pickup locations on this engine. They appear multiple because I isolated
> the front pilot and the engine still runs. As far as the chugging is
> concerned, haven't got a clue? While it would be nice to install an
> operating coupler on the tender (and Carl did give an excellent instruction
> on how to remove the BB Lionel Coupler), I am not a machinist and have no
> ability to alter this equipment.
>
> JR
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70868 From: alsflyer Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: For Sale: S-Helper SW-9 1200 hp EMD diesel switch engine - Hi-Rail o
This train has the original box, Uses AC power Only, Runs on S Gauge Hi-Rail and American Flyer compatible track. Instructions for safe running of this diesel set are in the box. Runs smooth. This engine has been run only 6 times since purchase.

Also included: all the parts necessary to operate on DC or with code 110 RP-25 wheels.

HERE IS WHAT THIS UNIT INCLUDES:

Metal Hand Grabs
Both Standard & M.U. Pilots Provided
Illuminated Number Boards
All Wheels Insulated With 8 Wheel Pickup
Full Interior, 2-Man Hand-Painted Crew
Turned Brass Horn
Plug-In AC/DC Sequence-Reversing Unit
Prototyplically Correct AAR Switcher Trucks
See-through Mesh Tread On Pilot
5-Pole, DC Can Motor
NMRA DCC Socket with DC Shorting Plug
Tread On Deck
Talgo Mounted American Flyer® Compatible Couplers
Directional Lighting Control
Both American Flyer® Compatible and Code 110 Drivers
Two Numbers Available For most Roadnames

Original Price: $199.95 without sound Asking: $169.00
Group: S-Trains Message: 70869 From: David Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: "DECAL GIVE-A-WAY" One Day Only (Advertisement)
ONE DAY ONLY DECAL SALE: DEC. 03, 2012 For one day only (Dec. 03,
2012) and only at our web site (no mail in orders) all decals are "BUY
ONE, GET ONE FREE". Yes, you read this correctly! We will automatically
double your order when you order from our web site on Dec. 03,2012.
"MERRY CHRISTMAS" "Santa's Elves @ LBR"
(Please allow 7-14 days for delivery of decals purchased at this special
price)



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70870 From: ken garber Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5878
> 2b. Re: American Models GG-1 help
> Posted by: "Jerry" poniaj@... poniaj
> Date: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:38 pm ((PST))
>
> Anyway, as long as you're OK without sounds, that's fine. When I run mine
> on DC, the sounds are not there, as cool as they are. But I had to install
> two DPDT slide switches to bypass the board and large capacitor.
>
>
> Jerry in Michagan
>
>
JP,

I haven't installed it yet but I figured out how to use a single 4PDT
switch to do what you did. Found them at an ham swap last year.
I just checked the US Radio Shack site and they don't have any, but places
like Digi-key probably do.

ken G.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70871 From: Warner, Ronald Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale: S-Helper SW-9 1200 hp EMD diesel switch engine - Hi-Ra
What "road" name ??

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of alsflyer
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:01 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: S-Helper SW-9 1200 hp EMD diesel switch engine - Hi-Rail or S Scale



This train has the original box, Uses AC power Only, Runs on S Gauge Hi-Rail and American Flyer compatible track. Instructions for safe running of this diesel set are in the box. Runs smooth. This engine has been run only 6 times since purchase.

Also included: all the parts necessary to operate on DC or with code 110 RP-25 wheels.

HERE IS WHAT THIS UNIT INCLUDES:

Metal Hand Grabs
Both Standard & M.U. Pilots Provided
Illuminated Number Boards
All Wheels Insulated With 8 Wheel Pickup
Full Interior, 2-Man Hand-Painted Crew
Turned Brass Horn
Plug-In AC/DC Sequence-Reversing Unit
Prototyplically Correct AAR Switcher Trucks
See-through Mesh Tread On Pilot
5-Pole, DC Can Motor
NMRA DCC Socket with DC Shorting Plug
Tread On Deck
Talgo Mounted American Flyer(r) Compatible Couplers
Directional Lighting Control
Both American Flyer(r) Compatible and Code 110 Drivers
Two Numbers Available For most Roadnames

Original Price: $199.95 without sound Asking: $169.00



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70872 From: marks3891 Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: For Sale
Available for sale are two AF freight cars: AF Flatcar with Two Farm Tractors #6-48509; and Seaboard Silver Meteor Boxcar #648334. Both are NIB. $45 for the two + $6 s/h.

The best way to contact me is mjskertich@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 70873 From: Jacques Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: Docksider Armature Bearing
I'm at the end of my rope! The last part I need for my docksider is a PA14A164-B armature bearing. Does anyone know who might have one of these for sale?

The armature shifts back and forth in the upper plastic housing and won't stay centered in the field. There is an drumshaped bearing that is rounded on both sides and an open washer with teeth on the outside that looks like it's supposed to keep the whole thing centered. There is also a fiber washer. Is the open washer supposed to be attached to the drum? This unit uses the same bearing on the lower end of the armature, but I can't get it out to look at it.

HELP!!!!!!!!

Jacques
Group: S-Trains Message: 70874 From: kempfam@aol.com Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: 'S' friendly Hobby shops - Twin Cities Area
Hub Hobby on Penn Ave in Richfield may have some S left. It's not too far
from the airport and Mall of America. With the contracting of S Helper
and American Models from hobby shops there won't be a large selection.
I'd recommend the O Scale layout at Bandanna Square in St. Paul. They run
"Night Trains" during the holiday season. The railroad runs through a
very credible representation of the Twin Cities. This is not 3 rail. The
Chimney Building next door has toy trains if that's of interest. There is no
S to my knowledge but a very nice Dunham layout is in there. I believe the
price is 6 bucks and includes both buildings.
Ron Kemp

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70875 From: lastmanstndng Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Docksider Armature Bearing
Hi,Jacques try Port lines hobby supplies ( doug@... )as their are other parts dealers

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jacques" <aflyerfan@...> wrote:
>
> I'm at the end of my rope! The last part I need for my docksider is a PA14A164-B armature bearing. Does anyone know who might have one of these for sale?
>
> The armature shifts back and forth in the upper plastic housing and won't stay centered in the field. There is an drumshaped bearing that is rounded on both sides and an open washer with teeth on the outside that looks like it's supposed to keep the whole thing centered. There is also a fiber washer. Is the open washer supposed to be attached to the drum? This unit uses the same bearing on the lower end of the armature, but I can't get it out to look at it.
>
> HELP!!!!!!!!
>
> Jacques
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70876 From: Karl Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: 'S' friendly Hobby shops - Twin Cities Area
Thanks Ron
Karl

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>
> Hub Hobby on Penn Ave in Richfield may have some S left. It's not too far
> from the airport and Mall of America. With the contracting of S Helper
> and American Models from hobby shops there won't be a large selection.
> I'd recommend the O Scale layout at Bandanna Square in St. Paul. They run
> "Night Trains" during the holiday season. The railroad runs through a
> very credible representation of the Twin Cities. This is not 3 rail. The
> Chimney Building next door has toy trains if that's of interest. There is no
> S to my knowledge but a very nice Dunham layout is in there. I believe the
> price is 6 bucks and includes both buildings.
> Ron Kemp
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70877 From: johntech Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Making signals for your layout
I ran across this site for making signals for your layout. I have also ordered some
8 pin micro chips, ATTINY45, for controlling the lights.

The link below is for N gauge but should be able to scale up for S



http://www.stuartmoore-modelrailways.co.uk/Making%20Signals.htm

John

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70878 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Docksider Armature Bearing
I sell the PA14A164 Bearing $1.50 each. Please email me off list seccia@...
Tom Seccia




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From: Jacques <aflyerfan@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 11:08 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Docksider Armature Bearing


 
I'm at the end of my rope! The last part I need for my docksider is a PA14A164-B armature bearing. Does anyone know who might have one of these for sale?

The armature shifts back and forth in the upper plastic housing and won't stay centered in the field. There is an drumshaped bearing that is rounded on both sides and an open washer with teeth on the outside that looks like it's supposed to keep the whole thing centered. There is also a fiber washer. Is the open washer supposed to be attached to the drum? This unit uses the same bearing on the lower end of the armature, but I can't get it out to look at it.

HELP!!!!!!!!

Jacques




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70879 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/3/2012, 1:00 am
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Monday December 3, 2012
Time:   1:00 am - 7:30 am
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group

Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats: This event repeats every week.
Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70880 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Project Atlantic Part Four Posted!
If you're following the Stumpy's Station "Project Atlantic" kitbash series on Chuck Harrington's http://myflyertrains.org website, be advised that Part Four has been posted.

In this part we look at something that can be done while work on the locomotive is at a stand still for glue or paint drying: the tender.

For anyone who didn't know about this series or about the various building and bashing guides, they are all there under the Stumpy's Station title on My Flyer Trains for your use and enjoyment.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70881 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Docksider Armature Bearing
If anyone in the group has the original Gilbert part number beginning with PA or XA you can go to my new  website sssAFtrains.com and use the search.  If you don't have the part number you can use the search with a keyword such as smoke, screw, rivet etc.  Got to get the shopping cart set up at this time, but you can use the contact information to order.  The search will not work with numbers beginning with P- or X-
                                                               Tom Seccia
                                                                Triple "S" Supplies


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70882 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/2/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/3/2012, 1:00 am
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Monday December 3, 2012
Time:   1:00 am - 7:30 am
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group

Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats: This event repeats every week.
Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70883 From: Eric Date: 12/2/2012
Subject: Rolling Stock and engine for sale
December 2, 2012

I need some room and these are not going to make it to the layout if I want
to keep trains running around it. Make me an offer, thanks.



Pictures are in the Yahoo groups picture section under: Erics stuff for
Sale !



4 things for sale:

--------------------------------------------

#1: Group of 8 cars, I would like to sell as a group: All have hi-raIl
wheels but I can swap for scale if needed. All 8 for $ 120 plus $15
shipping. look carefully at the pictures, most are like new but some of the
AM cars are missing ladders.



GN 24422 AF refer, ace floors, am or SSA trucks, knuckles

Gn 11082 box, AM, shs trucks, kadees

GN 71470 Kris refer, ace floor, am or SSA trucks, knuckles.

GN x202 caboose, af floor, coupler , cut off truck.

NP 25504 box, shs trucks, kadees.

NP 1094 box NASG 1994 AF convention car, ace floor, ace trucks, Am knuckles

NP 98446 refer AM, ace trucks, AM knuckles.

NP 17287 refer, PRS? Ace trucks, ACE knuckles.



#2: S Helper CN panelside hopper, new in box. $30 + $8 shipping

#3: S Helper Anderson hopper new in box. $30+ $8 shipping
#4 American models AC hirail U25B loco. Used but looks very clean in the
original box and runs good. Sante Fe blue and yellow #6607. I may have
scale wheels if needed. $150 + $15 shipping



I think Everything has a box , not necessarily matching exactly, they have
them. Everything has Flyer compatible wheels and Kadee or knuckle couplers
except for the 2 NIB SHS cars which are set up as SHS sold them. I think
can swap out Kadees for Knuckle couplers on anything if you wish, I can
swap out to the scale wheels if you wish on the SHS trucks, not on the Ace
trucks . Let me know. MAKE AN OFFER ON ANYTHING!!



Eric Reis, Kenmore, WA.

checks or postal money order or paypal work.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70884 From: Al Date: 12/3/2012
Subject: Re: For Sale: S-Helper SW-9 1200 hp EMD diesel switch engine - Hi-Ra
The SW-9 has Chessie System on the engine and on the cab is printed B&O 9602.

Al Rawdon

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70885 From: Obie Bell Date: 12/3/2012
Subject: New Haven gondola #61063
Hello All, Collectors in particular, I have just received a New Haven gondola from a seller on eBay. I believe this may be one of those cars that was made up from Gilbert parts and sold by Hobby Surplus. It is very nicely finished and I am quite pleased with it, pleased enough that I would like to know who actually did these cars such as a Kris car for Hobby Surplus or someone else? Thanks in advance, Obie Bell

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70886 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 12/3/2012
Subject: Re: New Haven gondola #61063
Hi Obie

You can call Steven Amato to get infromation since his father Vinny just passed about six months ago they did make some cars up ie pc reefer and I think ace reefer His number is 860-229-9069 he is located in New Britain ct
I also have an e mail address for him if you wish amatohobby@... good luck
Stan Sobieski
----- Original Message -----
From: Obie Bell
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 5:19 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] New Haven gondola #61063



Hello All, Collectors in particular, I have just received a New Haven gondola from a seller on eBay. I believe this may be one of those cars that was made up from Gilbert parts and sold by Hobby Surplus. It is very nicely finished and I am quite pleased with it, pleased enough that I would like to know who actually did these cars such as a Kris car for Hobby Surplus or someone else? Thanks in advance, Obie Bell

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70887 From: Wayne B. Date: 12/4/2012
Subject: Re: New Haven gondola #61063
The New Haven Gondola sold by Hobby Surplus a few years ago is by far the most beautiful gondola's I have in my collection.  I would encourage everyone to try to locate one...the especially look good pulled behind the EP -5 New Haven....or a beautiful Flyer steam engine.
 
Wayne Broadhead
Golden Spike AF Club

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70888 From: Thomas Date: 12/4/2012
Subject: Companion Video for American Flyer Repair Guide
I have a companion video for my Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Operating and Repair Guide on my personal web site. it is free for anyone - even if you don't own the book.

Here is the URL:

http://tombarker.net/TomBarkerWebsite/Repair_Clinic_Movie.html
Group: S-Trains Message: 70889 From: Edward Loizeaux Date: 12/4/2012
Subject: FW: Clinic Program Announced for 2013 Bay Area PCR/LD/OP SIG Meet
Gents..Here is another model railroad event competing for your attendance.
Yes, it is the same weekend as O SCALE WEST + S. See yah..Ed L.



The Pacific Coast Region-NMRA <http://www.pcrnmra.org> , Layout Design SIG
<http://www.ldsig.org/> and Operations SIG <http://www.opsig.org/> will
hold their annual joint San Francisco Bay Area Regional Meet in the South
Bay Area (about 45 minutes south of San Francisco) Friday, January 25,
through Sunday, January 27, 2013.

A terrific three-day program has been planned for your model railroading
enjoyment. The agenda for the weekend includes a Friday night kick-off
dinner (no-host), the Saturday Program starts at 9:00 AM and consists of
clinics, operations discussions, track planning workshops, layout operations
consultations, track planning consultations, and visits to local layouts on
Friday and Saturday evenings. There will also be operating sessions at
several nearby layouts on Sunday, along with additional layout tours. Don't
be surprised if someone puts a throttle in your hand!

Saturday clinics and panels will include:

Modeling the Pacific Coast Railway's San Luis Obispo Facilities - Tom Knapp
RFID for Model Railroad Operations - Seth Neumann and Chris Drome
Design with Free-moN modules - Dave Falkenburg
Using JMRI Operations to validate layout design - Dennis Drury
The Willoughby Line - Guy Cantwell
The Panel will be on the Influence of Era on Design and Operations,
moderated by Bruce Morden

The meet and all three days of layout tours are open to all. If you can't
join us for the entire meet, at least come out and enjoy some truly
wonderful layouts.

Participation Fee of $25 includes a Harry's Hoffbrau hot lunch!

You can pre-register at http://fs10.formsite.com/grenida/sigs2013/index.html
and complete information is available at http://www.pcrnmra.org/sigs/


Location


Harry's Hofbrau
390 Saratoga Ave
San Jose, CA, 95129
(408) 243-0434



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70890 From: Don Thompson Date: 12/4/2012
Subject: Re: SHS is now closed
SHS is now closed. We are now filling the existing orders, repairs and installs. We are in the process of transferring our repair/install operations. We are not ready to announce but hope to in the next few weeks. Please do not send us any repairs or installs. You can contact me via e-mail.
Thanks again for all of your support...
Don Thompson
Group: S-Trains Message: 70891 From: Alex Date: 12/4/2012
Subject: Re: SHS is now closed
Dear Don,
Thank you so much for all you have done for our favorite scale. Your trains appeal to both highrailers and scalers alike and helped to keep S alive during the dark days. Your flex track is the best available, we use it exclusively on our modular layout. We can only hope that MTH follows the path that you chose and continues to produce trains that set the excellent standard
Thank you,
Alex Sibbald
San Diego S Gauge


----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: Group ; S Train e-group
Cc: e_group
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 10:08 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS is now closed



SHS is now closed. We are now filling the existing orders, repairs and installs. We are in the process of transferring our repair/install operations We are not ready to announce but hope to in the next few weeks. Please do not send us any repairs or installs. You can contact me via e-mail.
Thanks again for all of your support...
Don Thompson




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70892 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 12/5/2012
Subject: Re: SHS is now closed
Alex, I echo everything you said about Don and S Helper Service.

When I rejoined the hobby in 1995, knowing hardly anything about S gauge, I called several of the numbers listed in ads in S Gaugian. Undoubtedly, the most helpful was the gentleman who answered the phone at S Helper Service. I asked all my neophyte questions, then apologized for monopolizing his time. He assured me that he was happy to spend as much time as I needed. I'll never forget that night.

I realized much later that the gentleman was Don Thompson himself. I was fortunate to meet him at a couple of national events, and he was never too busy to spend time with any of us--once he even fixed the trucks on my SHS Rock Island hopper while we were displaying at a show!

The products that Mike and Don gave us are indescribably beautiful, and S Helper is, by far, my favorite line. What made it even more attractive was the affordable price their company offered us on each piece. Like you, Alex, I hope that M.T.H. will continue that combination.

So, Don, Mike, and Robin--thank you for your vision, for your commitment to our scale, for all your hard work on our behalf, and for the sense of fraternity you offered to all of us. Your positive impact on our hobby is probably much greater than you realize. We are grateful for your enormous contribution, and we wish you the best of everything as you turn the page. We look forward to continued association with you.

S-gauge model railroading without Don Thompson? Unthinkable!

YourS,
John Eichmann, Coordinator
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise
www.rockymountainhirailers.com

>>>
Dear Don,
Thank you so much for all you have done for our favorite scale. Your trains appeal to both highrailers and scalers alike and helped to keep S alive during the dark days. Your flex track is the best available, we use it exclusively on our modular layout. We can only hope that MTH follows the path that you chose and continues to produce trains that set the excellent standard
Thank you,
Alex Sibbald
San Diego S Gauge

----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: Group ; S Train e-group
Cc: e_group
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 10:08 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS is now closed

SHS is now closed. We are now filling the existing orders, repairs and installs. We are in the process of transferring our repair/install operations We are not ready to announce but hope to in the next few weeks. Please do not send us any repairs or installs. You can contact me via e-mail.
Thanks again for all of your support...
Don Thompson



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70893 From: gartrain404@comcast.net Date: 12/6/2012
Subject: SHS is now closed
S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-TrainsWell I am sure that hundreds even thousands of us
will miss SHS by Don & Robin but I sure hope
we can still see Don & Robin at TCA York and
NASG conventions and show our appreciation
for their years of devotion to our hobby.
S sincerely,
Glenn Ritter
Pequea Valley Model Railroaders
former NASG secretary

Message
1a Re: SHS is now closed Wed Dec 5, 2012 10:17 am (PST) . Posted by: "JOHN and CAROL" rm_hirailer Alex, I echo everything you said about Don and S Helper Service.

When I rejoined the hobby in 1995, knowing hardly anything about S gauge, I called several of the numbers listed in ads in S Gaugian. Undoubtedly, the most helpful was the gentleman who answered the phone at S Helper Service. I asked all my neophyte questions, then apologized for monopolizing his time. He assured me that he was happy to spend as much time as I needed. I'll never forget that night.

I realized much later that the gentleman was Don Thompson himself. I was fortunate to meet him at a couple of national events, and he was never too busy to spend time with any of us--once he even fixed the trucks on my SHS Rock Island hopper while we were displaying at a show!

The products that Mike and Don gave us are indescribably beautiful, and S Helper is, by far, my favorite line. What made it even more attractive was the affordable price their company offered us on each piece. Like you, Alex, I hope that M.T.H. will continue that combination.

So, Don, Mike, and Robin--thank you for your vision, for your commitment to our scale, for all your hard work on our behalf, and for the sense of fraternity you offered to all of us. Your positive impact on our hobby is probably much greater than you realize. We are grateful for your enormous contribution, and we wish you the best of everything as you turn the page. We look forward to continued association with you.

S-gauge model railroading without Don Thompson? Unthinkable!

YourS,
John Eichmann, Coordinator
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise
www.rockymountainhirailers.com

>>>
Dear Don,
Thank you so much for all you have done for our favorite scale. Your trains appeal to both highrailers and scalers alike and helped to keep S alive during the dark days. Your flex track is the best available, we use it exclusively on our modular layout. We can only hope that MTH follows the path that you chose and continues to produce trains that set the excellent standard
Thank you,
Alex Sibbald
San Diego S Gauge

----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: Group ; S Train e-group
Cc: e_group
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 10:08 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS is now closed

SHS is now closed. We are now filling the existing orders, repairs and installs. We are in the process of transferring our repair/install operations We are not ready to announce but hope to in the next few weeks. Please do not send us any repairs or installs. You can contact me via e-mail.
Thanks again for all of your support...
Don Thompson

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70894 From: knight@calu.edu Date: 12/6/2012
Subject: Pony Express question
Hi gang,

Did Lionel produce the Pony Express set with a 21925, 21925-1, and a 21925-2? They are not from 59 or 60, these have portholes with plastic lenses and two rivet steps. All else seems the same though.

Thanks!

Gene
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
Group: S-Trains Message: 70895 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/6/2012
Subject: S-'n-S Trains web site
Our new web site is beginning to happen. It should be usable in the near
future.
There is a welcome screen up now. The NEW address is snstrains.com
Thanks for your patience. All business is being conducted as before the
destruction of the old site.

Steve Blackburn
Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70896 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 12/6/2012
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains web site
steve:
just stay away from yahoo
mel perry

On Dec 6, 2012, at 5:37 PM, boss31@... wrote:

> Our new web site is beginning to happen. It should be usable in the
> near
> future.
> There is a welcome screen up now. The NEW address is snstrains.com
> Thanks for your patience. All business is being conducted as before
> the
> destruction of the old site.
>
> Steve Blackburn
> Boise
>
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>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70897 From: Warner, Ronald Date: 12/6/2012
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] Attacked in S gauge!
agree w/Bill, Alan, and probably more ...

my first really significant Christmas present arrived via "Santa" in 1948 -- an Am Flyer "S" set [Hudson, 629 stock, 625 silver shell, tin-plate side-dump hopper, CNW search light & 630 Reading caboose] ... the love affair began, then 'cooled' @ age 14 or 15, because of girls, algebra, basketball, etc. + college + career

in @ 1990, the bug bit again as my girls were graduating high school & the older one encouraged me to get back to my 'first' love, for which she felt I then had more time ... I wasn't even aware Lionel had re-entered the Flyer market

As I searched hobby shops, antique stores, and flea markets, I did find parts & pieces: example - steam engines woudn't budge, but I learned to take them apart, clean, lube, re-solder wires, etc & then wallaha !! they would chug down the track !! I so enjoyed bringing them back to 'life'; if the logo/lettering was weak, I didn't hesitate to remove the remainder & decal as I wished. When disassembling an engine/tender, I might find a pine needle or piece of tinsel, instantantly reminding me of my train circling the base of our Xmas tree 'way back' in those SE Ohio "Truman & Eisenhower years"

-- cabooses, you can always find an Am Flyer caboose. However, they are almost always damaged (broken step[s], missing smoke stack, broken coupler, etc. I soon began to "take two & make one complete", after which I painted & decaled for one Gilbert didn't 'get around to' ... my guide would be photos of the prototype

since then ... it's been boxcars, a longer gondola ['spliced'] from two broken ones, different tank cars, stock cars ...

bottom line: I can't let a Gilbert piece 'go to waste' if I can imagine a way to 'restore' it. And, I still value both the pre-1966 Gilbert & modern Flyer, S Helper, Am Models, etc. ... hi-rail or scale. I have fun doing what I do, and I really appreciate what all the rest of you folks do.

so as we approach the 64th anniversary of my first love affair, allow me to just say, "Happy railS to you ..."

Ron Warner

from the High Plains of W. Texas, where Am Flyer is as scarce as rain !!

________________________________
From: Modern-Flyer@yahoogroups.com [Modern-Flyer@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Smith [alansmith@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 2:34 PM
To: Modern-Flyer@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] Attacked in S gauge!



I agree with Bill. I too grew in the 40�s & 50�s when steam was the rule on the R X R. The A F 3/16� models were a perfect example of the trains we watched go by every day. The cars and such that was produced by Gilbert were replicas of these great trains and times on our youth. These authentic cars, etc. are special to all of us that cherish the S scale of the days gone by. However, I enjoy making /bashing some of these wonderful models to turn them into items that were common on most rail lines. Gilbert never produced them for the market for what ever reason � making toys in a grand scale requires limits to the selection of the examples produced is my guess.

The �bashed� examples are usually something that was seen on the railroads of bygone days. The railroads made many special purpose items for their own or customers needs. I witnessed one such HD flat car for hauling exception heavy loads � It was a one of a kind car. It was brought in on the NYC tracks but came from out west . It was the only car that could cross the Mississippi river bridge with such a heavy load.

The point I�m making � Keeping toys as originally manufactured is great and I support that thought and practice . But the custom items and modification to some of the many production examples is a good thing for our hobby. Fresh ideas and enjoyment out of our trains is what it�s all about. After all the younger generation won�t have the memories we have of the sound of the steam whistle blasting, from miles away in the still night air. The sound of the drivers spinning to start a heavy consist. The smell of coal smoke as the boilers is fed fresh coal. The hiss of steam and the beautiful sight of high speed passenger train going by pulled by a Hudson or similar engine. The mail car grabbing the mail sack off the pole and seeing the incoming mail thrown off the car for a person to recover and take to the P.O>.

Museum or collections of original production models -- are for enjoyment by looking. I prefer mixing the old standard items with fresh custom / unique rolling stock and such. There is nothing exciting about watched a string of #640 hopper cars rattling along behind an engine. However, after you customized them a little, the imagination takes over and you have fresh thoughts to go along with your hobby. Or, we all know the 928 flatcars as originally produced are too light weight. So adding heavy weight bulkheads or some weight under these cars makes them handle much better especially backing into a siding. Adding LED headlights to engines makes them more realistic. 630 or 930 caboose with lighted lanterns on the rear or silhouettes of train crew in the windows. That is imagination at work and more in line with the real world of Railroading of the past.

There is an abundance of great ideas out there to make our hobby exciting and more realistic. I say let the imagination go wild and create new and better or improved models. Imagination keeps the mind active and brings an old tired train set back to life.

Some of the Modern engines will never last like the old models the some of the new rail sounds seem out of place. Different strokes for different folks is what make the world go round.

Happy Railroading never the less !!

Alan Smith
Hamilton, Ohio





On 12/6/12 10:59 AM, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...<https://legacy.ttuhsc.edu/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:







That was Wisdom from The Stump.

I have twice joined NASG and (sadly) twice left it because of the bickering over those two points of view. Where is the artistic and individual expression side?

When I was young, back in the '50's, I thoroughly understood the requirements for scale fidelity. Later, I understood the importance of museum-like preservation of toy trains. Now, I can appreciate those viewpoints, and have adopted one similar to what Stumpy expresses. There are plenty of collections of excellent examples of almost all of the toy trains produced. I feel no compulsion to create yet another such collection of the available mediocre examples unless I choose to use those trains for decorative purposes. 'Preserve as shelf queen' means 'making an interior decoration choice' in my mind. So, I collect a few of just the ones I like. If something catches my eye as a good starting point for bashing something else I prefer to see or run, OK. And what a toy becomes as I bash it need not be a faithful rendition of some other guy's engineering compromise at some point in history.

I keep thinking about private property and individual ownership. If it is mine, I get to use, modify, display or dispose of it as I see fit. My feelings might be different if there were no Toy Train Museums or Toy Train Exhibits at other museums. As it is, I wish I had an S-Scale Coors Silver Bullet train - chrome plated, of course. So there!

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us
On 12/6/2012 9:43 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote:





I fully understand someone coming into S gauge and being attacked without understanding why! I think I've been attacked as much as anyone in recent years, by collectors, rivet counters, and personal wackos! I can't think of anyone who has passed up an opportunity. I was even "called out" to the parking lot at one show for making a junk box 0-8-0 in to a 2-8-0!

If you tend to think for yourself, one group or another will attack you, if for no other reason than not being part of their group! When I was in S in the seventies, kit bashing old Flyer was common and everyone did it. Scale fidelity was given only a passing nod, close was good enough. But when I returned in 2000, the world had chaged!

Collectors seethed with hate for anyone you "disfigured" anything Gilbert, and "scalers" had solidified into the same kind of "rivet counting" that curses most scales today! I walked in not part of either and was malighned by both.

The average S gauger is now split between "toy" and "scale" trains, "new" and "old" trains, and mark my words, we've already seen the beginnings of the coming Lionel vs. MTH fighting which is common in O gauge 3 rail.

But take heart! It's not just in S gauge! Over in On30, despite attempts to keep it open to everyone, the "prototype" vs. "freelance" guys have at it all the time. Heck, just about anything will set guys off, no doubt a symptom of our equally fragmented, hard line, and polarized society and elected vermin.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, after all, despite "political correctness," free speach is still the law of the land. But somehow many folks think it's okay to say anything about anyone electronically because they're "out of reach." Would you do the same thing if they could show up on your doorstep?

And so it goes in our electronic "brave new world."
Stumpy in Ahia














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Group: S-Trains Message: 70898 From: Bud Rindfleisch Date: 12/6/2012
Subject: PRR 0-6-0 21004 boiler needed
Howdy,
I have a friend who is looking for a replacement boiler for the AF Pennsy 0-6-0 #21004. Are these hard to find?
Bud Rindfleisch
Group: S-Trains Message: 70899 From: Clay Buckage Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: Re: PRR 0-6-0 21004 boiler needed
Hello Bud,
 
The 21004 boiler shell may be hard to obtain.
What exactly is wrong?
Many of us here are kinda handy at repairing them or perhaps we can guide you in the repair.
 
-Clay Buckage

--- On Thu, 12/6/12, Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:


From: Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] PRR 0-6-0 21004 boiler needed
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012, 10:09 PM



 



Howdy,
I have a friend who is looking for a replacement boiler for the AF Pennsy 0-6-0 #21004. Are these hard to find?
Bud Rindfleisch








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Group: S-Trains Message: 70900 From: Lennis Hall Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains web site
Hi Steve:
Glad to see your getting back up again.  Let me know if I can help.

Len Hall



________________________________
From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 6:37 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] S-'n-S Trains web site


 
Our new web site is beginning to happen. It should be usable in the near
future.
There is a welcome screen up now. The NEW address is snstrains.com
Thanks for your patience. All business is being conducted as before the
destruction of the old site.

Steve Blackburn
Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70901 From: Richard Reichard Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: UNIVERSAL RAIL BENDER
The UNIVERSAL RAIL BENDER makes a great gift for Christmas!
Available in the following rail profiles: O27, O31, Super-O, T-Rail, MTH ScaleTrax(code193), AF-S, Standard gauge and G gauge(code332).
Contact Dick Reichard at: RLRAUB@... for details.

Dick

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70902 From: Bud Rindfleisch Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: Re: PRR 0-6-0 21004 boiler needed
Clay, Not sure exactly what is broken on the 21004 boiler. It's not mine, belongs to a friend who just acquired it on ebay. I kind of suspected it wouldn't be an easy find! I will pass that info on, thanks!
Bud Rindfleisch

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Clay Buckage <lamontcranston1946@...> wrote:
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>
> Hello Bud,
>  
> The 21004 boiler shell may be hard to obtain.
> What exactly is wrong?
> Many of us here are kinda handy at repairing them or perhaps we can guide you in the repair.
>  
> -Clay Buckage
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> --- On Thu, 12/6/12, Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:
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> From: Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] PRR 0-6-0 21004 boiler needed
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012, 10:09 PM
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>  
>
>
>
> Howdy,
> I have a friend who is looking for a replacement boiler for the AF Pennsy 0-6-0 #21004. Are these hard to find?
> Bud Rindfleisch
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70903 From: Al Baker Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: Re: PRR 0-6-0 21004 boiler needed
You'll find one on ebay about once a month.



Al Baker



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70904 From: i_am_3_16_o Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
I'm setting up my train this year, and I have some extra switches, so I thought I'd put in a reverse loop. I ordered the fiber pins, but then wondered if I even need them. Well, I know I need them, but is it set up different for AC than DC? For DC, you isolate a section of track and hook it to a second powerpack. When your loco is on this section, you flip a switch, changing the direction of the current for the rest of the track.
For AC, it's Alternating Current, moving at 60 cycles per second. And, the motors are designed to change direction if there's an interruption in power, or to cycle from 'FWD', 'Stop', Reverse'. I don't know if I need an isolated section, or just 1 pair of fiber pins, and I don't know if I need to flip a switch either. I don't want to buy an expensive kit. All it is is a pair of fiber pins and a switch... If someone can tell me what type of switch to buy at any hardware store, it'd be greatly appreciated. I doubt the fiber pins will be here in time for this holiday season, but I'd like to work out all the kinks before I pack my special holiday set away till next year.. I found a really neat place to find tiny details. A few actually. I'd gladly trade knowledge. Just let me know what details you're looking for, and I'll tell you where to buy them. Anything you see in real life can be made in miniature. So far, I've either found or bought everything I wanted, including 1/64-1/48 scale toys..
Group: S-Trains Message: 70905 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: For Sale: Flyonel Freight Cars NIB Make Offer
All are new in the box (C-9/C-10) with boxes in P-9/P-10 condition. For
reference purposes, I show 2012 TM Guide book
values, but these
should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer I can't
refuse!Please include your address so I can calculate shipping charges and
send you an invoice with the total.

Pictures
available on request.

48211 Magnolia Tank Car $60.00
48301 Denver and Rio Grande $40.00
49022 Maintenance of Way Depressed
Center Searchlight Car $68.00
48379 Great Northern Stock Car $62.00
48724 Seaboard Caboose $52.00


Bob Graves


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70906 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Reversre Loop help
I have all AC power on my layout with two reverse loops. If you go to Carl S Gauge empire you will see there how to do the loop  with an Atlas relay, cost in the $10.00 area, and it will do the job automatically as you throw the switches. The power is switched so fast the reverse unit will not have a chance to drop out.
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70907 From: john Brazaitis Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
AC or DC, you wire it the same.  You need to insulate both ends of the return section.  You do not need two power packs,  just a DPDT (double pole double throw) switch to reverse polarity to the mainline after entering the reverse section.  There's a section in the original Gilbert manual that shows you how to set up a reverse loop, and Westcott's "How to Wire Your Model Railroad" covers it in great detail, plus there ought to be about a million internet sites that will show you how to do it.  You can get the switch at a local electronics store, like Radio Shack for under $5.JBB   

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70908 From: Thomas Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
I do cover this in my Repair Guide in Chapter 9. Here is an excerpt fro that chapter that may help:

"When Gilbert decided in the early 1940's to make the move to two-rail track for a new line of realistic model trains, some important engineering modifications to track plans and operations had to bc considered.
Probably at the top of the list of specialized 2-rail track plans was the reverse loop. This popular layout feature allows a train to turn around on itself. Unfortunately, with a 2-rail system, the electricity does the same thing and will short-out the power supply because rail 1, at first on the outside, turns around in the reverse loop and becomes rail 2. The effect on the electrical system is the same as connecting the base post directly to the 7-15 volt post - a direct short across the terminals. See Figure 9 - 1 below.
The Gilbert systems to overcome the reverse loop shorting problems were a bit complicated, so here is a simpler solution. You will need a double pole, double throw switch, four fiber pins and sufficient wire. When you operate the loop, you will also have to be on the alert to avoid unintentionally stopping the train.
The wiring concept is to isolate the train while you change the polarity of the switched track. This is easily accomplished by isolating the entire loop from the track switch with fiber pins (or air gaps if you have your tracks nailed down).
If you have difficulty obtaining fiber pins, remember that besides having an insulating material connecting the rails, you should have a separator keeping the tracks from touching. The gap should be 1/16" (no larger) to allow the pickup wheels to cross the insulating section without interrupting the current flow. The fiber pin is a T-shaped connector which accomplishes this objective.
Figure 9 - 1 shows how to place the fiber pins to isolate the loop as well as proper connection to the power source. Notice, too, that the loop is powered with a separate set of wires and is isolated on both rails. As the engine travels in the direction of the arrow along the straight section of the switch, the polarity of the current is set so that the loop is the same as the straight section. If the double pole, double throw (DPDT) switch is improperly set, the train will reach the fiber pin connection, spark and stall. If left there, the circuit breaker will eventually trip as you short the circuit through the motor. For a second or two this is not harmful and is an easy way to test the position of the DPDT switch.
The wiring of the DPDT switch is quite easy. If you have wired a switch for direct current polarity reversing, it is the same method. Figure 9 - 2 shows the underside of a DPDT. The center lugs on the switch go to the track, and the outside ones just crisscross to change the polarity.
Operation is simple. Mount the DPDT so that it is adjacent to the switch (turnout) control box. When you throw the switch you will also reverse the polarity by using the DPDT. Of course, you will want the loop part of the layout to be large enough to accommodate your longest train. As this wiring diagram is set up, you may throw the switches after the last car has passed through the switch (turnout). If you have one reverse loop you will probably need to put another one somewhere else in your pike to re-reverse the train. The wiring is exactly the same and, if you put two loops back-to-back, you need only one DPDT switch on the connecting line between the two loops.
To keep the DPDT set correctly, color-code the DPDT to correspond with the color of the light (red or green) of the switch control box. So, if the light is green, the DPDT should be set toward the green mark. "


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "i_am_3_16_o" <phuster_6@...> wrote:
>
> I'm setting up my train this year, and I have some extra switches, so I thought I'd put in a reverse loop. I ordered the fiber pins, but then wondered if I even need them. Well, I know I need them, but is it set up different for AC than DC? For DC, you isolate a section of track and hook it to a second powerpack. When your loco is on this section, you flip a switch, changing the direction of the current for the rest of the track.
> For AC, it's Alternating Current, moving at 60 cycles per second. And, the motors are designed to change direction if there's an interruption in power, or to cycle from 'FWD', 'Stop', Reverse'. I don't know if I need an isolated section, or just 1 pair of fiber pins, and I don't know if I need to flip a switch either. I don't want to buy an expensive kit. All it is is a pair of fiber pins and a switch... If someone can tell me what type of switch to buy at any hardware store, it'd be greatly appreciated. I doubt the fiber pins will be here in time for this holiday season, but I'd like to work out all the kinks before I pack my special holiday set away till next year.. I found a really neat place to find tiny details. A few actually. I'd gladly trade knowledge. Just let me know what details you're looking for, and I'll tell you where to buy them. Anything you see in real life can be made in miniature. So far, I've either found or bought everything I wanted, including 1/64-1/48 scale toys..
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70909 From: ghslaw31 Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Tom Doherty
Tom Doherty of PA Heritage models died suddenly on Thursday. A gentle soul with whom I had the pleasure of working with was well known in the modeling community. I will not be proceeding with any of the production models we were planning. I will continue to do custom modeling.
Gerry Siegel
Group: S-Trains Message: 70910 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
My website has a picture of the gap he refers to, in addition to other places it's needed.  I've used flat toothpicks successfully since the track on my layout is nailed down and won't shift to close the gap.


http://thegilbertgallery.org/The Upstairs Train/operations.html

Note that since the URL contains spaces, you can't simply click on that link; you have to copy the whole thing and paste it into your browser.

Bob



________________________________
From: Thomas <tbbeqa@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 6:48 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help


 
I do cover this in my Repair Guide in Chapter 9. Here is an excerpt fro that chapter that may help:

"When Gilbert decided in the early 1940's to make the move to two-rail track for a new line of realistic model trains, some important engineering modifications to track plans and operations had to bc considered.
Probably at the top of the list of specialized 2-rail track plans was the reverse loop. This popular layout feature allows a train to turn around on itself. Unfortunately, with a 2-rail system, the electricity does the same thing and will short-out the power supply because rail 1, at first on the outside, turns around in the reverse loop and becomes rail 2. The effect on the electrical system is the same as connecting the base post directly to the 7-15 volt post - a direct short across the terminals. See Figure 9 - 1 below.
The Gilbert systems to overcome the reverse loop shorting problems were a bit complicated, so here is a simpler solution. You will need a double pole, double throw switch, four fiber pins and sufficient wire. When you operate the loop, you will also have to be on the alert to avoid unintentionally stopping the train.
The wiring concept is to isolate the train while you change the polarity of the switched track. This is easily accomplished by isolating the entire loop from the track switch with fiber pins (or air gaps if you have your tracks nailed down).
If you have difficulty obtaining fiber pins, remember that besides having an insulating material connecting the rails, you should have a separator keeping the tracks from touching. The gap should be 1/16" (no larger) to allow the pickup wheels to cross the insulating section without interrupting the current flow. The fiber pin is a T-shaped connector which accomplishes this objective.
Figure 9 - 1 shows how to place the fiber pins to isolate the loop as well as proper connection to the power source. Notice, too, that the loop is powered with a separate set of wires and is isolated on both rails. As the engine travels in the direction of the arrow along the straight section of the switch, the polarity of the current is set so that the loop is the same as the straight section. If the double pole, double throw (DPDT) switch is improperly set, the train will reach the fiber pin connection, spark and stall. If left there, the circuit breaker will eventually trip as you short the circuit through the motor. For a second or two this is not harmful and is an easy way to test the position of the DPDT switch.
The wiring of the DPDT switch is quite easy. If you have wired a switch for direct current polarity reversing, it is the same method. Figure 9 - 2 shows the underside of a DPDT. The center lugs on the switch go to the track, and the outside ones just crisscross to change the polarity.
Operation is simple. Mount the DPDT so that it is adjacent to the switch (turnout) control box. When you throw the switch you will also reverse the polarity by using the DPDT. Of course, you will want the loop part of the layout to be large enough to accommodate your longest train. As this wiring diagram is set up, you may throw the switches after the last car has passed through the switch (turnout). If you have one reverse loop you will probably need to put another one somewhere else in your pike to re-reverse the train. The wiring is exactly the same and, if you put two loops back-to-back, you need only one DPDT switch on the connecting line between the two loops.
To keep the DPDT set correctly, color-code the DPDT to correspond with the color of the light (red or green) of the switch control box. So, if the light is green, the DPDT should be set toward the green mark. "

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "i_am_3_16_o" <phuster_6@...> wrote:
>
> I'm setting up my train this year, and I have some extra switches, so I thought I'd put in a reverse loop. I ordered the fiber pins, but then wondered if I even need them. Well, I know I need them, but is it set up different for AC than DC? For DC, you isolate a section of track and hook it to a second powerpack. When your loco is on this section, you flip a switch, changing the direction of the current for the rest of the track.
> For AC, it's Alternating Current, moving at 60 cycles per second. And, the motors are designed to change direction if there's an interruption in power, or to cycle from 'FWD', 'Stop', Reverse'. I don't know if I need an isolated section, or just 1 pair of fiber pins, and I don't know if I need to flip a switch either. I don't want to buy an expensive kit. All it is is a pair of fiber pins and a switch... If someone can tell me what type of switch to buy at any hardware store, it'd be greatly appreciated. I doubt the fiber pins will be here in time for this holiday season, but I'd like to work out all the kinks before I pack my special holiday set away till next year.. I found a really neat place to find tiny details. A few actually. I'd gladly trade knowledge. Just let me know what details you're looking for, and I'll tell you where to buy them. Anything you see in real life can be made in miniature. So far, I've either found or bought everything I
wanted, including 1/64-1/48 scale toys..
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70911 From: D. Winslow Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
I have a question regarding such loop backs. Its no problem isolating
a section and controlling the polarity of that section. But what of
where the our of phase tracks join, via toothpicks or whatever. Would
not the wheels short across these gaps? thanks Dave


voltage of
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Graves
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help



My website has a picture of the gap he refers to, in addition to other places it's needed. I've used flat toothpicks successfully since the track on my layout is nailed down and won't shift to close the gap.

http://thegilbertgallery.org/The Upstairs Train/operations.html

Note that since the URL contains spaces, you can't simply click on that link; you have to copy the whole thing and paste it into your browser.

Bob

________________________________
From: Thomas <tbbeqa@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 6:48 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help



I do cover this in my Repair Guide in Chapter 9. Here is an excerpt fro that chapter that may help:

"When Gilbert decided in the early 1940's to make the move to two-rail track for a new line of realistic model trains, some important engineering modifications to track plans and operations had to bc considered.
Probably at the top of the list of specialized 2-rail track plans was the reverse loop. This popular layout feature allows a train to turn around on itself. Unfortunately, with a 2-rail system, the electricity does the same thing and will short-out the power supply because rail 1, at first on the outside, turns around in the reverse loop and becomes rail 2. The effect on the electrical system is the same as connecting the base post directly to the 7-15 volt post - a direct short across the terminals. See Figure 9 - 1 below.
The Gilbert systems to overcome the reverse loop shorting problems were a bit complicated, so here is a simpler solution. You will need a double pole, double throw switch, four fiber pins and sufficient wire. When you operate the loop, you will also have to be on the alert to avoid unintentionally stopping the train.
The wiring concept is to isolate the train while you change the polarity of the switched track. This is easily accomplished by isolating the entire loop from the track switch with fiber pins (or air gaps if you have your tracks nailed down).
If you have difficulty obtaining fiber pins, remember that besides having an insulating material connecting the rails, you should have a separator keeping the tracks from touching. The gap should be 1/16" (no larger) to allow the pickup wheels to cross the insulating section without interrupting the current flow. The fiber pin is a T-shaped connector which accomplishes this objective.
Figure 9 - 1 shows how to place the fiber pins to isolate the loop as well as proper connection to the power source. Notice, too, that the loop is powered with a separate set of wires and is isolated on both rails. As the engine travels in the direction of the arrow along the straight section of the switch, the polarity of the current is set so that the loop is the same as the straight section. If the double pole, double throw (DPDT) switch is improperly set, the train will reach the fiber pin connection, spark and stall. If left there, the circuit breaker will eventually trip as you short the circuit through the motor. For a second or two this is not harmful and is an easy way to test the position of the DPDT switch.
The wiring of the DPDT switch is quite easy. If you have wired a switch for direct current polarity reversing, it is the same method. Figure 9 - 2 shows the underside of a DPDT. The center lugs on the switch go to the track, and the outside ones just crisscross to change the polarity.
Operation is simple. Mount the DPDT so that it is adjacent to the switch (turnout) control box. When you throw the switch you will also reverse the polarity by using the DPDT. Of course, you will want the loop part of the layout to be large enough to accommodate your longest train. As this wiring diagram is set up, you may throw the switches after the last car has passed through the switch (turnout). If you have one reverse loop you will probably need to put another one somewhere else in your pike to re-reverse the train. The wiring is exactly the same and, if you put two loops back-to-back, you need only one DPDT switch on the connecting line between the two loops.
To keep the DPDT set correctly, color-code the DPDT to correspond with the color of the light (red or green) of the switch control box. So, if the light is green, the DPDT should be set toward the green mark. "

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "i_am_3_16_o" <phuster_6@...> wrote:
>
> I'm setting up my train this year, and I have some extra switches, so I thought I'd put in a reverse loop. I ordered the fiber pins, but then wondered if I even need them. Well, I know I need them, but is it set up different for AC than DC? For DC, you isolate a section of track and hook it to a second powerpack. When your loco is on this section, you flip a switch, changing the direction of the current for the rest of the track.
> For AC, it's Alternating Current, moving at 60 cycles per second. And, the motors are designed to change direction if there's an interruption in power, or to cycle from 'FWD', 'Stop', Reverse'. I don't know if I need an isolated section, or just 1 pair of fiber pins, and I don't know if I need to flip a switch either. I don't want to buy an expensive kit. All it is is a pair of fiber pins and a switch... If someone can tell me what type of switch to buy at any hardware store, it'd be greatly appreciated. I doubt the fiber pins will be here in time for this holiday season, but I'd like to work out all the kinks before I pack my special holiday set away till next year.. I found a really neat place to find tiny details. A few actually. I'd gladly trade knowledge. Just let me know what details you're looking for, and I'll tell you where to buy them. Anything you see in real life can be made in miniature. So far, I've either found or bought everything I
wanted, including 1/64-1/48 scale toys..
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70912 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Yes they would, but it doesn’t matter as there is never a short across the power supply.



Once you have run the train onto the reversing loop you then change the polarity of the MAIN track, not the isolated reversing loop. (If you changed the reversing loop, the train would come to a stop or go into reverse.) When the train completes the loop it now re-enters the main track, and since you have already changed the polarity of the main rails, the train will continue on in whatever direction it was going (usually forward).



Hope that helps.



Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of D. Winslow
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 12:36 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help





I have a question regarding such loop backs. Its no problem isolating
a section and controlling the polarity of that section. But what of
where the our of phase tracks join, via toothpicks or whatever. Would
not the wheels short across these gaps? thanks Dave


voltage of
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Graves
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help

My website has a picture of the gap he refers to, in addition to other places it's needed. I've used flat toothpicks successfully since the track on my layout is nailed down and won't shift to close the gap.

http://thegilbertgallery.org/The Upstairs Train/operations.html

Note that since the URL contains spaces, you can't simply click on that link; you have to copy the whole thing and paste it into your browser.

Bob

________________________________
From: Thomas <tbbeqa@... <mailto:tbbeqa%40mac.com> >
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 6:48 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help

I do cover this in my Repair Guide in Chapter 9. Here is an excerpt fro that chapter that may help:

"When Gilbert decided in the early 1940's to make the move to two-rail track for a new line of realistic model trains, some important engineering modifications to track plans and operations had to bc considered.
Probably at the top of the list of specialized 2-rail track plans was the reverse loop. This popular layout feature allows a train to turn around on itself. Unfortunately, with a 2-rail system, the electricity does the same thing and will short-out the power supply because rail 1, at first on the outside, turns around in the reverse loop and becomes rail 2. The effect on the electrical system is the same as connecting the base post directly to the 7-15 volt post - a direct short across the terminals. See Figure 9 - 1 below.
The Gilbert systems to overcome the reverse loop shorting problems were a bit complicated, so here is a simpler solution. You will need a double pole, double throw switch, four fiber pins and sufficient wire. When you operate the loop, you will also have to be on the alert to avoid unintentionally stopping the train.
The wiring concept is to isolate the train while you change the polarity of the switched track. This is easily accomplished by isolating the entire loop from the track switch with fiber pins (or air gaps if you have your tracks nailed down).
If you have difficulty obtaining fiber pins, remember that besides having an insulating material connecting the rails, you should have a separator keeping the tracks from touching. The gap should be 1/16" (no larger) to allow the pickup wheels to cross the insulating section without interrupting the current flow. The fiber pin is a T-shaped connector which accomplishes this objective.
Figure 9 - 1 shows how to place the fiber pins to isolate the loop as well as proper connection to the power source. Notice, too, that the loop is powered with a separate set of wires and is isolated on both rails. As the engine travels in the direction of the arrow along the straight section of the switch, the polarity of the current is set so that the loop is the same as the straight section. If the double pole, double throw (DPDT) switch is improperly set, the train will reach the fiber pin connection, spark and stall. If left there, the circuit breaker will eventually trip as you short the circuit through the motor. For a second or two this is not harmful and is an easy way to test the position of the DPDT switch.
The wiring of the DPDT switch is quite easy. If you have wired a switch for direct current polarity reversing, it is the same method. Figure 9 - 2 shows the underside of a DPDT. The center lugs on the switch go to the track, and the outside ones just crisscross to change the polarity.
Operation is simple. Mount the DPDT so that it is adjacent to the switch (turnout) control box. When you throw the switch you will also reverse the polarity by using the DPDT. Of course, you will want the loop part of the layout to be large enough to accommodate your longest train. As this wiring diagram is set up, you may throw the switches after the last car has passed through the switch (turnout). If you have one reverse loop you will probably need to put another one somewhere else in your pike to re-reverse the train. The wiring is exactly the same and, if you put two loops back-to-back, you need only one DPDT switch on the connecting line between the two loops.
To keep the DPDT set correctly, color-code the DPDT to correspond with the color of the light (red or green) of the switch control box. So, if the light is green, the DPDT should be set toward the green mark. "

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "i_am_3_16_o" <phuster_6@...> wrote:
>
> I'm setting up my train this year, and I have some extra switches, so I thought I'd put in a reverse loop. I ordered the fiber pins, but then wondered if I even need them. Well, I know I need them, but is it set up different for AC than DC? For DC, you isolate a section of track and hook it to a second powerpack. When your loco is on this section, you flip a switch, changing the direction of the current for the rest of the track.
> For AC, it's Alternating Current, moving at 60 cycles per second. And, the motors are designed to change direction if there's an interruption in power, or to cycle from 'FWD', 'Stop', Reverse'. I don't know if I need an isolated section, or just 1 pair of fiber pins, and I don't know if I need to flip a switch either. I don't want to buy an expensive kit. All it is is a pair of fiber pins and a switch... If someone can tell me what type of switch to buy at any hardware store, it'd be greatly appreciated. I doubt the fiber pins will be here in time for this holiday season, but I'd like to work out all the kinks before I pack my special holiday set away till next year.. I found a really neat place to find tiny details. A few actually. I'd gladly trade knowledge. Just let me know what details you're looking for, and I'll tell you where to buy them. Anything you see in real life can be made in miniature. So far, I've either found or bought everything I
wanted, including 1/64-1/48 scale toys..
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70913 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Hi Dave,

Yes, of course there is always a potential problem when metal wheels
cross an insulated gap, especially where that gap protects rails of
opposite polarity. Whether AC or DC, the polarity issue pops up. In our,
2-rail case, the reversing section needs to be at least as long as the
entire train unless there are special considerations.

Special Considerations? It is possible in a track plan made up of
electrically isolated blocks to allow longer trains to be reversed. The
block leading in (approach block) to the reversing section would need to
be either shut down (the easiest solution) or have its own DPDT switch
to allow for matching polarities. I am not aware of any commercial
automated system or scheme to handle that sort of thing. The existing
solutions are normally used for DCC and allow for automatic protection
of just one block. It could certainly be designed. However, two,
consecutive automatic reversing sections may get confused. Probably
would be best to try any proposed solution using manual, DPDT switches
to be sure it is done right. A further complication is that the trains
would now be running in the opposite direction and would approach the
reversing section from the other side. That would require yet another
switchable approach block.

Any sort of automation in train running or signalling gets more
complicated when longer trains are in operation. Closed loops mean more
thought is required than for point to point. I think it is best to use
smaller trains when automation is desired and to have some manual
overrides for the instances of trains longer than the normal reversing
block.

Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

On 12/8/2012 3:35 PM, D. Winslow wrote:
> I have a question regarding such loop backs. Its no problem isolating
> a section and controlling the polarity of that section. But what of
> where the our of phase tracks join, via toothpicks or whatever. Would
> not the wheels short across these gaps? thanks Dave
>
>
> voltage of
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Graves
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
>
>
>
> My website has a picture of the gap he refers to, in addition to other places it's needed. I've used flat toothpicks successfully since the track on my layout is nailed down and won't shift to close the gap.
>
> http://thegilbertgallery.org/The Upstairs Train/operations.html
>
> Note that since the URL contains spaces, you can't simply click on that link; you have to copy the whole thing and paste it into your browser.
>
> Bob
>
> ________________________________
> From: Thomas <tbbeqa@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 6:48 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
>
>
>
> I do cover this in my Repair Guide in Chapter 9. Here is an excerpt fro that chapter that may help:
>
> "When Gilbert decided in the early 1940's to make the move to two-rail track for a new line of realistic model trains, some important engineering modifications to track plans and operations had to bc considered.
> Probably at the top of the list of specialized 2-rail track plans was the reverse loop. This popular layout feature allows a train to turn around on itself. Unfortunately, with a 2-rail system, the electricity does the same thing and will short-out the power supply because rail 1, at first on the outside, turns around in the reverse loop and becomes rail 2. The effect on the electrical system is the same as connecting the base post directly to the 7-15 volt post - a direct short across the terminals. See Figure 9 - 1 below.
> The Gilbert systems to overcome the reverse loop shorting problems were a bit complicated, so here is a simpler solution. You will need a double pole, double throw switch, four fiber pins and sufficient wire. When you operate the loop, you will also have to be on the alert to avoid unintentionally stopping the train.
> The wiring concept is to isolate the train while you change the polarity of the switched track. This is easily accomplished by isolating the entire loop from the track switch with fiber pins (or air gaps if you have your tracks nailed down).
> If you have difficulty obtaining fiber pins, remember that besides having an insulating material connecting the rails, you should have a separator keeping the tracks from touching. The gap should be 1/16" (no larger) to allow the pickup wheels to cross the insulating section without interrupting the current flow. The fiber pin is a T-shaped connector which accomplishes this objective.
> Figure 9 - 1 shows how to place the fiber pins to isolate the loop as well as proper connection to the power source. Notice, too, that the loop is powered with a separate set of wires and is isolated on both rails. As the engine travels in the direction of the arrow along the straight section of the switch, the polarity of the current is set so that the loop is the same as the straight section. If the double pole, double throw (DPDT) switch is improperly set, the train will reach the fiber pin connection, spark and stall. If left there, the circuit breaker will eventually trip as you short the circuit through the motor. For a second or two this is not harmful and is an easy way to test the position of the DPDT switch.
> The wiring of the DPDT switch is quite easy. If you have wired a switch for direct current polarity reversing, it is the same method. Figure 9 - 2 shows the underside of a DPDT. The center lugs on the switch go to the track, and the outside ones just crisscross to change the polarity.
> Operation is simple. Mount the DPDT so that it is adjacent to the switch (turnout) control box. When you throw the switch you will also reverse the polarity by using the DPDT. Of course, you will want the loop part of the layout to be large enough to accommodate your longest train. As this wiring diagram is set up, you may throw the switches after the last car has passed through the switch (turnout). If you have one reverse loop you will probably need to put another one somewhere else in your pike to re-reverse the train. The wiring is exactly the same and, if you put two loops back-to-back, you need only one DPDT switch on the connecting line between the two loops.
> To keep the DPDT set correctly, color-code the DPDT to correspond with the color of the light (red or green) of the switch control box. So, if the light is green, the DPDT should be set toward the green mark. "
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "i_am_3_16_o" <phuster_6@...> wrote:
> >
> > I'm setting up my train this year, and I have some extra switches, so I thought I'd put in a reverse loop. I ordered the fiber pins, but then wondered if I even need them. Well, I know I need them, but is it set up different for AC than DC? For DC, you isolate a section of track and hook it to a second powerpack. When your loco is on this section, you flip a switch, changing the direction of the current for the rest of the track.
> > For AC, it's Alternating Current, moving at 60 cycles per second. And, the motors are designed to change direction if there's an interruption in power, or to cycle from 'FWD', 'Stop', Reverse'. I don't know if I need an isolated section, or just 1 pair of fiber pins, and I don't know if I need to flip a switch either. I don't want to buy an expensive kit. All it is is a pair of fiber pins and a switch... If someone can tell me what type of switch to buy at any hardware store, it'd be greatly appreciated. I doubt the fiber pins will be here in time for this holiday season, but I'd like to work out all the kinks before I pack my special holiday set away till next year.. I found a really neat place to find tiny details. A few actually. I'd gladly trade knowledge. Just let me know what details you're looking for, and I'll tell you where to buy them. Anything you see in real life can be made in miniature. So far, I've either found or bought everything I
> wanted, including 1/64-1/48 scale toys..
> >
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70914 From: D. Winslow Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter

> Hi Dave,

> Yes, of course there is always a potential
> problem when metal wheels
> cross an insulated gap, especially where that
> gap protects rails of
> opposite polarity. Whether AC or DC, the
> polarity issue pops up. In our,
> 2-rail case, the reversing section needs to be
> at least as long as the
> entire train unless there are special
> considerations.

> Special Considerations? It is possible in a
> track plan made up of
> electrically isolated blocks to allow longer
> trains to be reversed. The
> block leading in (approach block) to the
> reversing section would need to
> be either shut down (the easiest solution) or
> have its own DPDT switch
> to allow for matching polarities. I am not aware
> of any commercial
> automated system or scheme to handle that sort
> of thing. The existing
> solutions are normally used for DCC and allow
> for automatic protection
> of just one block. It could certainly be
> designed. However, two,
> consecutive automatic reversing sections may get
> confused. Probably
> would be best to try any proposed solution using
> manual, DPDT switches
> to be sure it is done right. A further
> complication is that the trains
> would now be running in the opposite direction
> and would approach the
> reversing section from the other side. That
> would require yet another
> switchable approach block.
>
> Any sort of automation in train running or
> signalling gets more
> complicated when longer trains are in operation.
> Closed loops mean more
> thought is required than for point to point. I
> think it is best to use
> smaller trains when automation is desired and to
> have some manual
> overrides for the instances of trains longer
> than the normal reversing
> block.

I have some very tight turns made with
conventional AF track (metal ties
replaced with wood). I have also made new switches
in this way, which
I do not have working and worry me some. I'll keep
my trains short and
will not try to go backwards (except to get out of
the spurrs.

Interesting electronics project to follow. thanks
Bill

Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 70915 From: Jeff Faust Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
The beauty of American Flyer is that you actually CAN change the polarity of the reversing loop instead of the main line, should it be more convenient to do it that way. An AC-powered locomotive won't care if you flip the polarity underneath it--its direction of travel is determined by the reverse unit. You couldn't get away with this in the DC world!

When I was a teenager building loop-to-loop AF layouts from one end of the house to the other, flipping the polarity of the far loop spared me the hassle of running bus wires all the way back from the transformer. One less thing for my baby sister to trip over!

--Jeff


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Feldman" <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:
>
> Yes they would, but it doesn’t matter as there is never a short across the power supply.
>
>
>
> Once you have run the train onto the reversing loop you then change the polarity of the MAIN track, not the isolated reversing loop. (If you changed the reversing loop, the train would come to a stop or go into reverse.) When the train completes the loop it now re-enters the main track, and since you have already changed the polarity of the main rails, the train will continue on in whatever direction it was going (usually forward).
>
>
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
>
> Jerry F.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70916 From: Robert Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Proper track for scale
I should have asked this a long time ago but I guess now is as good a time as any.when I was big in the scale in the late 80's early 90's code 100 was T-H-E size to use. Nowadays I see several different sizes of rail. Would I be ok to stay with the old tried and true (at least for me anyway) code 100? I plan on using the Fast Tracks system with Micro engineering rail and a few BK turnouts or possibly use the fast tracks turnout building kits.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70917 From: D. Winslow Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Feldman

> Yes they would, but it doesn't matter as there
> is never a short across the power supply.
>
> Once you have run the train onto the reversing
> loop you then change the polarity of the MAIN
> track, not the isolated
> reversing loop. (If you changed the reversing
> loop, the train would come to a stop or go into
> reverse.) When the train
> completes the loop it now re-enters the main
> track, and since you have already changed the
> polarity of the main rails, the
> train will continue on in whatever direction it
> was going (usually forward).
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Yes, thanks.
>
> Jerry F.

Yes it does, perfectly, thanks Jerry.

So, running dc, you would simply have the DPDT
switch mentioned labeled something like direction,
and have to remember to throw the switch before
the train reaches the main track. I don't much
like this.
Do people ever use a relay triggered by sensing
the train at the end of the reversing loop about
to join
the main? I plan to develop a simple sensing
circuit with op amp to drive relays for other
purposes,
gates, station announcements, etc.

Thanks again,

Dave W.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70919 From: Richard Falzini Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: Proper track for scale
Well I can not speak for Code .100, however the club I'm with here in Cleveland has a large traveling layout which uses Code .148 and both Flyer and Scale run nicely on it

Rich



>________________________________
> From: Robert <danceswithwolves49@...>
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 6:32 PM
>Subject: [S-Trains] Proper track for scale
>
>

>I should have asked this a long time ago but I guess now is as good a time as any.when I was big in the scale in the late 80's early 90's code 100 was T-H-E size to use. Nowadays I see several different sizes of rail. Would I be ok to stay with the old tried and true (at least for me anyway) code 100? I plan on using the Fast Tracks system with Micro engineering rail and a few BK turnouts or possibly use the fast tracks turnout building kits.
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70920 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
The word polarity was, indeed, a poor choice. Perhaps I should have said common side and hot side.



Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Faust
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 3:38 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help





The beauty of American Flyer is that you actually CAN change the polarity of the reversing loop instead of the main line, should it be more convenient to do it that way. An AC-powered locomotive won't care if you flip the polarity underneath it--its direction of travel is determined by the reverse unit. You couldn't get away with this in the DC world!

When I was a teenager building loop-to-loop AF layouts from one end of the house to the other, flipping the polarity of the far loop spared me the hassle of running bus wires all the way back from the transformer. One less thing for my baby sister to trip over!

--Jeff

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gerald Feldman" <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:
>
> Yes they would, but it doesn’t matter as there is never a short across the power supply.
>
>
>
> Once you have run the train onto the reversing loop you then change the polarity of the MAIN track, not the isolated reversing loop. (If you changed the reversing loop, the train would come to a stop or go into reverse.) When the train completes the loop it now re-enters the main track, and since you have already changed the polarity of the main rails, the train will continue on in whatever direction it was going (usually forward).
>
>
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
>
> Jerry F.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70921 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Yes, of course. In fact, that would be the preferred way of doing it. I
seem to remember solving that problem with some stepping relays from a local
surplus store that were triggered by pressure switches. This was back when
I ran my trains on the living room floor of my parent's house in the
mid-1950s. I could usually keep the trains set up for about a week before
my mother's patience wore thin and I had to put everything away.



Jerry F.



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of D. Winslow
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 3:32 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help






----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Feldman

> Yes they would, but it doesn't matter as there
> is never a short across the power supply.
>
> Once you have run the train onto the reversing
> loop you then change the polarity of the MAIN
> track, not the isolated
> reversing loop. (If you changed the reversing
> loop, the train would come to a stop or go into
> reverse.) When the train
> completes the loop it now re-enters the main
> track, and since you have already changed the
> polarity of the main rails, the
> train will continue on in whatever direction it
> was going (usually forward).
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Yes, thanks.
>
> Jerry F.

Yes it does, perfectly, thanks Jerry.

So, running dc, you would simply have the DPDT
switch mentioned labeled something like direction,
and have to remember to throw the switch before
the train reaches the main track. I don't much
like this.
Do people ever use a relay triggered by sensing
the train at the end of the reversing loop about
to join
the main? I plan to develop a simple sensing
circuit with op amp to drive relays for other
purposes,
gates, station announcements, etc.

Thanks again,

Dave W.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70922 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: Proper track for scale
Our club, the San Diego S-Gaugers, uses code 128 S-Helper track. It's the smallest track that can handle conventional Gilbert American Flyer wheels. Anything smaller (like Code 100) will have the flanges of the wheels riding on the ties, and wheels won't be touching the track.

On Dec 8, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote:

> Well I can not speak for Code .100, however the club I'm with here in Cleveland has a large traveling layout which uses Code .148 and both Flyer and Scale run nicely on it
>
> Rich
>
> >________________________________
> > From: Robert <danceswithwolves49@...>
> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 6:32 PM
> >Subject: [S-Trains] Proper track for scale
> >
> >
> >
> >I should have asked this a long time ago but I guess now is as good a time as any.when I was big in the scale in the late 80's early 90's code 100 was T-H-E size to use. Nowadays I see several different sizes of rail. Would I be ok to stay with the old tried and true (at least for me anyway) code 100? I plan on using the Fast Tracks system with Micro engineering rail and a few BK turnouts or possibly use the fast tracks turnout building kits.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70923 From: D. Winslow Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
When I first visited my Dad, a big AF fan, he was
single (Mom and Dad divorced).
It was near Christmas, and he had a huge layout
just laid on the floor with manual
switches etc. He had wooden bridges to accommodate
the giants walking around the room.
Dad had maybe 18 engines, and eventually built a
permanent layout around the entire
basement of the house. Wonderful memories.
Dave W.

Oh, also, my Dad taught me electronics, which
blends with this hobby so nicely.



----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Feldman

Yes, of course. In fact, that would be the
preferred way of doing it. I
seem to remember solving that problem with some
stepping relays from a local
surplus store that were triggered by pressure
switches. This was back when
I ran my trains on the living room floor of my
parent's house in the
mid-1950s. I could usually keep the trains set up
for about a week before
my mother's patience wore thin and I had to put
everything away.

Jerry F.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70924 From: First Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
Hello Dave,

Re: Automatic reversing circuits

This company makes automatic reversing circuits for DCC layouts. It senses the short and quickly reverses the power to the isolated track. It can also be used with AC layouts. And I believe that they can handle the larger current required for the old American Flyer engines. But that is something to check.

http://www.dccspecialties.com/products/powershield_x.htm

This topic has been discussed before and I saved the link when someone else sent it out.
Good luck!
Marvin
Hillsborough, NC

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "D. Winslow" <davidwin@...> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gerald Feldman
>
> > Yes they would, but it doesn't matter as there
> > is never a short across the power supply.
> >
> > Once you have run the train onto the reversing
> > loop you then change the polarity of the MAIN
> > track, not the isolated
> > reversing loop. (If you changed the reversing
> > loop, the train would come to a stop or go into
> > reverse.) When the train
> > completes the loop it now re-enters the main
> > track, and since you have already changed the
> > polarity of the main rails, the
> > train will continue on in whatever direction it
> > was going (usually forward).
> >
> > Hope that helps.
> >
> > Yes, thanks.
> >
> > Jerry F.
>
> Yes it does, perfectly, thanks Jerry.
>
> So, running dc, you would simply have the DPDT
> switch mentioned labeled something like direction,
> and have to remember to throw the switch before
> the train reaches the main track. I don't much
> like this.
> Do people ever use a relay triggered by sensing
> the train at the end of the reversing loop about
> to join
> the main? I plan to develop a simple sensing
> circuit with op amp to drive relays for other
> purposes,
> gates, station announcements, etc.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Dave W.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70925 From: Timboy Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: AC Power Reverse Loop Help
I was surprised at the sudden flurry of posts on this thread and didn't read through all of them, so please forgive me if I repeat what someone has already mentioned.

As I see it, the advantage of AC over DC in this instance is that in AC, we can reverse the base post & variable post within the reverse loop. With DC, we can't do that. We have to reverse the posts on the mainline and that creates some problems. Also, my experience is that the Atlas switch mentioned will short out if used on DC, but is robust enough to handle AC quite nicely. So while DC may have some advantages, it is not real good when reverse loops are involved, IMHO.

-Tim

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "D. Winslow" <davidwin@...> wrote:
>
> When I first visited my Dad, a big AF fan, he was
> single (Mom and Dad divorced).
> It was near Christmas, and he had a huge layout
> just laid on the floor with manual
> switches etc. He had wooden bridges to accommodate
> the giants walking around the room.
> Dad had maybe 18 engines, and eventually built a
> permanent layout around the entire
> basement of the house. Wonderful memories.
> Dave W.
>
> Oh, also, my Dad taught me electronics, which
> blends with this hobby so nicely.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gerald Feldman
>
> Yes, of course. In fact, that would be the
> preferred way of doing it. I
> seem to remember solving that problem with some
> stepping relays from a local
> surplus store that were triggered by pressure
> switches. This was back when
> I ran my trains on the living room floor of my
> parent's house in the
> mid-1950s. I could usually keep the trains set up
> for about a week before
> my mother's patience wore thin and I had to put
> everything away.
>
> Jerry F.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70926 From: aztecfan Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: auto reverse loops
I am building dual auto reverse loops with 2 trains running at the same time. One will pull over and slow down and stop and the other will pass. Turnouts will be automatically controlled.

Check out RR-Concepts for info and automated graphics.

Jim Sleeth
Group: S-Trains Message: 70927 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Proper track for scale
YES! Code 100 IS still the "scale" track of choice. S Helper Service code 128 is as close as you can get to "scale" and still use the larger "toy" wheel flanges. American Models is code 148 and has a larger selection of switches and other track. SHS and AM are good choices for those with less time or skill who want reasonably accurate track.

It sounds as if you are already experienced in using code 100, hand laying track and building turnouts, so go for it. Code 100 IS easier to bend because of it's smaller cross section too.

Over in On30 there is often discussion whether to use code 100(commonly used as HO standard gauge size,) or smaller code 83, or even code 70 (often used for standard gauge in N scale.) The idea being to "get that narrow gauge look of light rail."

The bottom line of all this is that most people can't tell the difference unless the various rail sizes are lined up side by side! I use code 100 for On30 and because it is sunk in ballast and "weeds" on my micro layotus, most scale modellers mistake it for code 70!

It all comes down to what you can afford, can do, can actually SEE, and what you're comfortable with on your railroad.
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 70928 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/9/2012, 5:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70929 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: part number s306
The part number in the exploded view in the Complete Service Manual for American Flyer Trains by K-Line, is S306, the description of the part number reads 6X7/16" type "z" BH screw.
OK here comes my ignorance showing after all these years. Usually I place an order with a parts dealer with a minimum amount plus shipping and handling etc. Now my question: what does the "type Z" mean and what does the BH mean?
Of course the 6 is the number of the screw and the 7/16" is the legnth of the screw.
Now, if I want to go to Ace or Lowe's or Home Depot to buy the screw do I just look for a number 6X7/16" screw? I know this is probably a really basic question, but I really am curious about the description.
Thanks for the help in advance. Chris Burger
Group: S-Trains Message: 70930 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
Hi All,

I have a Type I 577 whistling billboard with the four piece die-cast frame. The two upright sides of the frame fasten to the base using what appears to be a #2 or #3 screw maybe 1/4" or 3/16" long. Can anyone identify this screw for me? Is it a machine screw, sheet metal screw or something else? I need one and have not been able to find one at any hardware store. If anyone has a spare sitting around I'm in the market for it!

Thanks,

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 70931 From: Brady Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Lumber Shed
I bought this MPC-Era Lionel Lumber Shed kit several years ago, I finally got around to putting it together..

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/lumbershed/lumbershed1.JPG

Here it is next to the Flyer sawmill. Sorry, but it's a tight space for photos..

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/lumbershed/lumbershed2.JPG

The kit might work for scale by leaving the base off, not mounting the hand tools and dropping the workbench height.


Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 70932 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: Proper track for scale
I plan on using code 100 for mainline, code 83 for sidings and yards and code 70 for secondary spurs.
Bob
in Kalispell


To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: mrstumpy@...
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 15:12:55 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Proper track for scale


























YES! Code 100 IS still the "scale" track of choice. S Helper Service code 128 is as close as you can get to "scale" and still use the larger "toy" wheel flanges. American Models is code 148 and has a larger selection of switches and other track. SHS and AM are good choices for those with less time or skill who want reasonably accurate track.



It sounds as if you are already experienced in using code 100, hand laying track and building turnouts, so go for it. Code 100 IS easier to bend because of it's smaller cross section too.



Over in On30 there is often discussion whether to use code 100(commonly used as HO standard gauge size,) or smaller code 83, or even code 70 (often used for standard gauge in N scale.) The idea being to "get that narrow gauge look of light rail."



The bottom line of all this is that most people can't tell the difference unless the various rail sizes are lined up side by side! I use code 100 for On30 and because it is sunk in ballast and "weeds" on my micro layotus, most scale modellers mistake it for code 70!



It all comes down to what you can afford, can do, can actually SEE, and what you're comfortable with on your railroad.

Stumpy in Ahia


















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Group: S-Trains Message: 70933 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: Lumber Shed
Brady,

THANKS for the pics. Found most of one of those the other day, while
looking for something else in the Plasticville archives. Need to make a roof
for mine ( or search some more ) cut some lumber, already have lots of the
Wardie Jay plywood stacks on the layout, and plywood loads on the cars.
Maybe can get some oics next weekend.

Jim "running trains in Paradise" Lyle


In a message dated 12/9/2012 5:19:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
brady@... writes:

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/lumbershed/lumbershed1.JPG




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70934 From: Bud Rindfleisch Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: PRR 0-6-0 21004 boiler needed
Al, Are you talking just the boiler? Under which category should we check? I ask because I haven't see any yet, while looking for S scale trains. Maybe just American Flyer?
Bud Rindfleisch

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:
>
> You'll find one on ebay about once a month.
>
>
>
> Al Baker
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70935 From: Alan Smith Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: part number s306
Z = Zinc Plated Steel S = 18-8 300 Series Stainless Steel BX = Coated Bronze
WX = Coated White
AB = Antique Brass BH = Bronze Head 4 = 410 Stainless Steel BEX = Coated
Beige ALU = Aluminum
BO = Black Oxide L = Nicket WH = White Head BB - Bright Brass


On 12/9/12 1:32 PM, "cbtrainnut3" <chrisandmhelburger@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> The part number in the exploded view in the Complete Service Manual for
> American Flyer Trains by K-Line, is S306, the description of the part number
> reads 6X7/16" type "z" BH screw.
> OK here comes my ignorance showing after all these years. Usually I place an
> order with a parts dealer with a minimum amount plus shipping and handling
> etc. Now my question: what does the "type Z" mean and what does the BH mean?
> Of course the 6 is the number of the screw and the 7/16" is the legnth of the
> screw.
> Now, if I want to go to Ace or Lowe's or Home Depot to buy the screw do I
> just look for a number 6X7/16" screw? I know this is probably a really basic
> question, but I really am curious about the description.
> Thanks for the help in advance. Chris Burger
>
>
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70936 From: johntech Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: First test for my S gauge Block Detector
Hi Guys

Here is a YouTube link to my first test for my S gauge block detector.
Will post another when finished!

http://www.youtube.com/my_videos_edit?ns=1&video_id=_hRstyB9FDY

John Frankforther

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70937 From: johntech Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: S Gauge Block Detector Test
Hi Guys

I have been playing around with my Arduino Uno and trying to figure out how to interface it into
my layout. So here is my first test for block detection in S gauge:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hRstyB9FDY&feature=g-crec-u

I am planning on moving the software over to a 8 pin chip -ATtiny45 to control the detection and the LED's

So far so good!!

John Frankforther

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70938 From: johntech Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: DCC ready Baldwin critter
Just a quick video of my updated Baldwin critter pulling a S-Helper tank car
running DCC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SN52c2ayLc&feature=youtu.be

John Frankforther

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70939 From: hjsheffield Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: motor replacements
Hi group

I am considering replacing the motors in a White Pass Bombardier and an Alco that I want to sell. The original motor is a NWSL permag #22363-9 22x36mm.

Have any of you replaced one of these for more power and if so, what did you use.

Thanks
Howard Sheffield
Group: S-Trains Message: 70940 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: part number s306
Hi Chris,
                   S306 Screw is #7 x 7/16" Long. BH is for Binding Head and Type Z or Type B is a blunt point screw made for plastics. I can assure you that you not find these at Ace or Home depot. I sell the S306 Screws 6/$1.50. The application is for Franklin/Washington and 23568 Billboard Whistle.
                                                                         Tom Seccia
                                                                          Triple"S"Supplies



________________________________
From: cbtrainnut3 <chrisandmhelburger@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 1:32 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] part number s306


 
The part number in the exploded view in the Complete Service Manual for American Flyer Trains by K-Line, is S306, the description of the part number reads 6X7/16" type "z" BH screw.
OK here comes my ignorance showing after all these years. Usually I place an order with a parts dealer with a minimum amount plus shipping and handling etc. Now my question: what does the "type Z" mean and what does the BH mean?
Of course the 6 is the number of the screw and the 7/16" is the legnth of the screw.
Now, if I want to go to Ace or Lowe's or Home Depot to buy the screw do I just look for a number 6X7/16" screw? I know this is probably a really basic question, but I really am curious about the description.
Thanks for the help in advance. Chris Burger




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70941 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
Hi David,
                       The screw is #S-0 4/40 x 3/16 Round Head. I sell these 6/$1.00.
                                                     Tom Seccia
                                                      Triple "S" Supplies



________________________________
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 2:39 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question


 
Hi All,

I have a Type I 577 whistling billboard with the four piece die-cast frame. The two upright sides of the frame fasten to the base using what appears to be a #2 or #3 screw maybe 1/4" or 3/16" long. Can anyone identify this screw for me? Is it a machine screw, sheet metal screw or something else? I need one and have not been able to find one at any hardware store. If anyone has a spare sitting around I'm in the market for it!

Thanks,

David




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70942 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/10/2012
Subject: Re: reverse loop
I sent a reply to your email.  If you did not receive it check your spam or trash.
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70943 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/10/2012
Subject: Layout video
Nice design..can anyone tell us about it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly5NhAh5vR8&sns=em

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70944 From: John Metzger Date: 12/10/2012
Subject: Fw: Fw: Macy's Train
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: John Metzger <johnm_63379@...>
To: Al <alsflyer@...>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Macy's Train


Go to our web site for "AFSGSLA".  Google our club web page. There is a link to a video of the window on our web page.


From: Al <alsflyer@...>
To: "johnm_63379@..." <johnm_63379@...>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Macy's Train


Hi John,

Do you have any photos of this wonderful sounding layout. Videos would also be nice.

Al Rawdon
VP Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70945 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/10/2012
Subject: Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
Tom,

A 4/40 will not fit. It is too large in diameter. Any other ideas?

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
  The screw is #S-0 4/40 x 3/16 Round Head. I sell these 6/$1.00.
> Tom Seccia
>   Triple "S" Supplies
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 2:39 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
>
>
>  
> Hi All,
>
> I have a Type I 577 whistling billboard with the four piece die-cast frame. The two upright sides of the frame fasten to the base using what appears to be a #2 or #3 screw maybe 1/4" or 3/16" long. Can anyone identify this screw for me? Is it a machine screw, sheet metal screw or something else? I need one and have not been able to find one at any hardware store. If anyone has a spare sitting around I'm in the market for it!
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70946 From: Brian Snook Date: 12/10/2012
Subject: Re: Layout video
Hey, its my layout. I took it to two shows this year, The Great Train Expo and the Granite City Train Show. That video was taken at the Great Train Expo, I'm the guy at the end filling the engines with smoke fluid. I built this layout at the beginning  of this year, it is basically a large double track oval. It is has several design features that you only usually see in micro layouts, such as the proscenium arch in front, the traversers in back, and is lighted with two fluorescent shop lights. All the accessories, track, transformers, and trains are all original with only some small reproduction parts. I like to keep everything as original as possible. I enjoy the non-digital features such as sounds, smoke, and lights. 

The track is set up with two large traversers in back that are on threaded rods that allow me to move it two different tracks with a great amount of accuracy. In front there is a several industries that can be switched, and many operating accessories. It is built in sections and takes around 4 hours to set up or take down. If you have any questions about it, please ask.


You can find more info and a track plan at my website and blog at 

http://briansaftrains.com/


Brian



>________________________________
> From: Brady Burdge <brady@...>
>To: S-Trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 6:18 PM
>Subject: [S-Trains] Layout video
>
>

>Nice design..can anyone tell us about it?
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly5NhAh5vR8&sns=em
>
>Brady
>
>Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
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>
>
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70947 From: Thorin Date: 12/10/2012
Subject: Cleaning whitewall tires on AF steam
Good evening:

I wish to whiten, as much as possible, the whitewalls on my AF 343 0-8-0. My hunt on the Internet told me to use q-tip with Fantastic.

I have seen this done but I can't find my notes. Is this the correct technique? Does anyone have another suggestion?

Thank you,
Thorin Marty
Wauwatosa, WI
Group: S-Trains Message: 70948 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 12/10/2012
Subject: Re: Layout video
I am more of a scale guy but I thoroughly enjoyed watching this. I had
most of the operating accessories as a child, though never the cattle loader.
It looked like everything was working perfectly except for the crossing
gates.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 12/10/2012 8:36:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
briansnook3@... writes:




Hey, its my layout. I took it to two shows this year, The Great Train Expo
and the Granite City Train Show. That video was taken at the Great Train
Expo, I'm the guy at the end filling the engines with smoke fluid. I built
this layout at the beginning of this year, it is basically a large double
track oval. It is has several design features that you only usually see in
micro layouts, such as the proscenium arch in front, the traversers in back,
and is lighted with two fluorescent shop lights. All the accessories,
track, transformers, and trains are all original with only some small
reproduction parts. I like to keep everything as original as possible. I enjoy the
non-digital features such as sounds, smoke, and lights.

The track is set up with two large traversers in back that are on threaded
rods that allow me to move it two different tracks with a great amount of
accuracy. In front there is a several industries that can be switched, and
many operating accessories. It is built in sections and takes around 4
hours to set up or take down. If you have any questions about it, please ask.

You can find more info and a track plan at my website and blog at

_http://briansaftrains.com/_ (http://briansaftrains.com/)

Brian

>________________________________
> From: Brady Burdge <_brady@..._
(mailto:brady@...) >
>To: S-Trains <_s-trains@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:s-trains@yahoogroups.com) >
>Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 6:18 PM
>Subject: [S-Trains] Layout video
>
>
>
>Nice design..can anyone tell us about it?
>
>_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly5NhAh5vR8&sns=em_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly5NhAh5vR8&sns=em)
>
>Brady
>
>Sent from my Kindle Fire
>
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70949 From: Charles Hancock Date: 12/10/2012
Subject: Re: Cleaning whitewall tires on AF steam
Greetings!
Thorin, I use, with some success, the cleaner that I use on the whitewall tires on my "old" car. It works well on marks and has some whitening power with no apparent "side affects".
Best wishes,
Charlie in W,MI

On Dec 10, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Thorin wrote:

> Good evening:
>
> I wish to whiten, as much as possible, the whitewalls on my AF 343 0-8-0. My hunt on the Internet told me to use q-tip with Fantastic.
>
> I have seen this done but I can't find my notes. Is this the correct technique? Does anyone have another suggestion?
>
> Thank you,
> Thorin Marty
> Wauwatosa, WI
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70950 From: Brian Snook Date: 12/11/2012
Subject: Re: Layout video
The crossing gates are on a switch, at that time I must have had them off to give them a break. Running the accessories and trains for six hours straight at a show is hard on them. I switch to different trains every hour or so and try to let the accessories rest as much as possible. Solenoids on those really heat up. Though it is hard letting the accessories rest because people always want to see them work, the trains I can just swap out. 

Brian 



>________________________________
> From: "tennsgauge@..." <tennsgauge@...>
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout video
>
>

>I am more of a scale guy but I thoroughly enjoyed watching this. I had
>most of the operating accessories as a child, though never the cattle loader.
>It looked like everything was working perfectly except for the crossing
>gates.
>
>- Earl Henry, Nashville
>
>
>In a message dated 12/10/2012 8:36:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>briansnook3@... writes:
>
>Hey, its my layout. I took it to two shows this year, The Great Train Expo
>and the Granite City Train Show. That video was taken at the Great Train
>Expo, I'm the guy at the end filling the engines with smoke fluid. I built
>this layout at the beginning of this year, it is basically a large double
>track oval. It is has several design features that you only usually see in
>micro layouts, such as the proscenium arch in front, the traversers in back,
>and is lighted with two fluorescent shop lights. All the accessories,
>track, transformers, and trains are all original with only some small
>reproduction parts. I like to keep everything as original as possible. I enjoy the
>non-digital features such as sounds, smoke, and lights.
>
>The track is set up with two large traversers in back that are on threaded
>rods that allow me to move it two different tracks with a great amount of
>accuracy. In front there is a several industries that can be switched, and
>many operating accessories. It is built in sections and takes around 4
>hours to set up or take down. If you have any questions about it, please ask.
>
>You can find more info and a track plan at my website and blog at
>
>_http://briansaftrains.com/_ (http://briansaftrains.com/)
>
>Brian
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Brady Burdge <_brady@..._
>(mailto:brady@...) >
>>To: S-Trains <_s-trains@yahoogroups.com_
>(mailto:s-trains@yahoogroups.com) >
>>Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 6:18 PM
>>Subject: [S-Trains] Layout video
>>
>>
>>
>>Nice design..can anyone tell us about it?
>>
>>_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly5NhAh5vR8&sns=em_
>(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly5NhAh5vR8&sns=em)
>>
>>Brady
>>
>>Sent from my Kindle Fire
>>
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>>
>>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70951 From: Timboy Date: 12/11/2012
Subject: Re: Layout video
Really nice layout, Brian! You have mastered the art of making a small layout look HUGE!!!!

-Tim

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brian Snook <briansnook3@...> wrote:
>
> The crossing gates are on a switch, at that time I must have had them off to give them a break. Running the accessories and trains for six hours straight at a show is hard on them. I switch to different trains every hour or so and try to let the accessories rest as much as possible. Solenoids on those really heat up. Though it is hard letting the accessories rest because people always want to see them work, the trains I can just swap out. 
>
> Brian 
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: "tennsgauge@..." <tennsgauge@...>
> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:13 PM
> >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout video
> >
> >
> > 
> >I am more of a scale guy but I thoroughly enjoyed watching this. I had
> >most of the operating accessories as a child, though never the cattle loader.
> >It looked like everything was working perfectly except for the crossing
> >gates.
> >
> >- Earl Henry, Nashville
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 12/10/2012 8:36:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> >briansnook3@... writes:
> >
> >Hey, its my layout. I took it to two shows this year, The Great Train Expo
> >and the Granite City Train Show. That video was taken at the Great Train
> >Expo, I'm the guy at the end filling the engines with smoke fluid. I built
> >this layout at the beginning of this year, it is basically a large double
> >track oval. It is has several design features that you only usually see in
> >micro layouts, such as the proscenium arch in front, the traversers in back,
> >and is lighted with two fluorescent shop lights. All the accessories,
> >track, transformers, and trains are all original with only some small
> >reproduction parts. I like to keep everything as original as possible. I enjoy the
> >non-digital features such as sounds, smoke, and lights.
> >
> >The track is set up with two large traversers in back that are on threaded
> >rods that allow me to move it two different tracks with a great amount of
> >accuracy. In front there is a several industries that can be switched, and
> >many operating accessories. It is built in sections and takes around 4
> >hours to set up or take down. If you have any questions about it, please ask.
> >
> >You can find more info and a track plan at my website and blog at
> >
> >_http://briansaftrains.com/_ (http://briansaftrains.com/)
> >
> >Brian
> >
> >>________________________________
> >> From: Brady Burdge <_brady@..._
> >(mailto:brady@...) >
> >>To: S-Trains <_s-trains@yahoogroups.com_
> >(mailto:s-trains@yahoogroups.com) >
> >>Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 6:18 PM
> >>Subject: [S-Trains] Layout video
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Nice design..can anyone tell us about it?
> >>
> >>_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly5NhAh5vR8&sns=em_
> >(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly5NhAh5vR8&sns=em)
> >>
> >>Brady
> >>
> >>Sent from my Kindle Fire
> >>
> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70952 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 12/11/2012
Subject: Re: Cleaning whitewall tires on AF steam
We have used finger nail polish remover for years with no adverse affects.
Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc
 


--- On Mon, 12/10/12, Charles Hancock <charles_hancock@...> wrote:


From: Charles Hancock <charles_hancock@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cleaning whitewall tires on AF steam
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 10, 2012, 11:22 PM



 



Greetings!
Thorin, I use, with some success, the cleaner that I use on the whitewall tires on my "old" car. It works well on marks and has some whitening power with no apparent "side affects".
Best wishes,
Charlie in W,MI

On Dec 10, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Thorin wrote:

> Good evening:
>
> I wish to whiten, as much as possible, the whitewalls on my AF 343 0-8-0. My hunt on the Internet told me to use q-tip with Fantastic.
>
> I have seen this done but I can't find my notes. Is this the correct technique? Does anyone have another suggestion?
>
> Thank you,
> Thorin Marty
> Wauwatosa, WI
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70953 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/11/2012
Subject: Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
Hi David,
That's the screw that I removed from my 577 Billboard.  Are you sure you tried a 4/40 screw.  These are the same screws that go on a metal tender.
Tom



________________________________
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 8:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question


 
Tom,

A 4/40 will not fit. It is too large in diameter. Any other ideas?

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
  The screw is #S-0 4/40 x 3/16 Round Head. I sell these 6/$1.00.
> Tom Seccia
>   Triple "S" Supplies
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 2:39 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
>
>
>  
> Hi All,
>
> I have a Type I 577 whistling billboard with the four piece die-cast frame. The two upright sides of the frame fasten to the base using what appears to be a #2 or #3 screw maybe 1/4" or 3/16" long. Can anyone identify this screw for me? Is it a machine screw, sheet metal screw or something else? I need one and have not been able to find one at any hardware store. If anyone has a spare sitting around I'm in the market for it!
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70954 From: Brian Snook Date: 12/11/2012
Subject: Re: Layout video
Hi,
It is actually not my YouTube video. It's just my layout in it. Here's some info on how I made it portable. There is no standards on the ends, the sections are only meant to connect each other. So I did not worry about standards of track positions between sections. All of the sections are made with 1 x 4s that are screwed and glued together. On top I have 11/32" plywood and the backdrop is 1/8" hardboard. The legs are 2 x 2"s. Between the pieces I used heavy duty 6 pin trailer wiring plugs. All of the main wiring for the accessories and track is 16 gauge wiring and for smaller momentary type wiring, like switches and uncouplers, I used 18 gauge wire. For the smaller 18 gauge wire I used a 50 pin d-sub connector. That made it incredibly easy to connect those many small wire connections that come from the control panel and between sections. The sections are connected by bolts with t-nuts. That saves the time of having to deal with a loose nut on the
other end when bolting them together. There is also 2-3 six inch long 1" diameter PVC pipe pieces that go in between each section to line them up. The legs on each section fold up or down and are secured by bolts with wing nuts. The back drop and side pieces just slide into place thanks to stakes on the pieces and holes on the layout. There is bolts at each corner and on the arch holding it together. This may seem like it would go quickly, but then you have to set up all the accessories, transformers, and trains. I also probably over pack the trains, since each engine and car is in its own cushioned box, which adds to the time setting up and taking down.  It usually takes a half hour to unload everything from the trailer and truck and walk it to the layout spot. It is set up so it could be put together by only one person, but I usually have help from some of my family members. In total it takes around 4 hours to unload and completely set up the
layout. It takes around the same time to disassemble the layout. The usual mode of operation is just running the trains around and operating the accessories. Once in a while I do some switching to the industries and set out or pick up some cars. To get the accessories and trains to function near flawlessly, I have spent countless hours adjusting, cleaning, oiling, greasing, and testing them. I take a great deal of caution when transporting and operating the trains and layout, and have not had any damage. These trains were built to be operated and that is what I like to do with them, but I do have some trains that I do not take to shows. I try not to take any extra trains that would not be run. Transporting and operating puts a lot of stress on the layout and trains, so I do not take my rarer or more fragile items, and I try to only go to 3-4 train shows a year. At home I have a room just for the layout, and the trains are all on shelves in my room.
I still have more work to do, including trees, a town at the back, and various other details. I have thought about extending the layout, but do not think that I will. One of the next train shows that I will be at is the Granite City Train Show in St Cloud, MN. 

Brian



>________________________________
> From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 6:21 AM
>Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Layout video
>
>

>Really nice layout, Brian! You have mastered the art of making a small layout look HUGE!!!!
>
>-Tim
>
>--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brian Snook <briansnook3@...> wrote:
>>
>> The crossing gates are on a switch, at that time I must have had them off to give them a break. Running the accessories and trains for six hours straight at a show is hard on them. I switch to different trains every hour or so and try to let the accessories rest as much as possible. Solenoids on those really heat up. Though it is hard letting the accessories rest because people always want to see them work, the trains I can just swap out. 
>>
>> Brian 
>>
>>
>>
>> >________________________________
>> > From: "tennsgauge@..." <tennsgauge@...>
>> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>> >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:13 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout video
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >I am more of a scale guy but I thoroughly enjoyed watching this. I had
>> >most of the operating accessories as a child, though never the cattle loader.
>> >It looked like everything was working perfectly except for the crossing
>> >gates.
>> >
>> >- Earl Henry, Nashville
>> >
>> >
>> >In a message dated 12/10/2012 8:36:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>> >briansnook3@... writes:
>> >
>> >Hey, its my layout. I took it to two shows this year, The Great Train Expo
>> >and the Granite City Train Show. That video was taken at the Great Train
>> >Expo, I'm the guy at the end filling the engines with smoke fluid. I built
>> >this layout at the beginning of this year, it is basically a large double
>> >track oval. It is has several design features that you only usually see in
>> >micro layouts, such as the proscenium arch in front, the traversers in back,
>> >and is lighted with two fluorescent shop lights. All the accessories,
>> >track, transformers, and trains are all original with only some small
>> >reproduction parts. I like to keep everything as original as possible. I enjoy the
>> >non-digital features such as sounds, smoke, and lights.
>> >
>> >The track is set up with two large traversers in back that are on threaded
>> >rods that allow me to move it two different tracks with a great amount of
>> >accuracy. In front there is a several industries that can be switched, and
>> >many operating accessories. It is built in sections and takes around 4
>> >hours to set up or take down. If you have any questions about it, please ask.
>> >
>> >You can find more info and a track plan at my website and blog at
>> >
>> >_http://briansaftrains.com/_ (http://briansaftrains.com/)
>> >
>> >Brian
>> >
>> >>________________________________
>> >> From: Brady Burdge <_brady@..._
>> >(mailto:brady@...) >
>> >>To: S-Trains <_s-trains@yahoogroups.com_
>> >(mailto:s-trains@yahoogroups.com) >
>> >>Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 6:18 PM
>> >>Subject: [S-Trains] Layout video
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Nice design..can anyone tell us about it?
>> >>
>> >>_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly5NhAh5vR8&sns=em_
>> >(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly5NhAh5vR8&sns=em)
>> >>
>> >>Brady
>> >>
>> >>Sent from my Kindle Fire
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70955 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/11/2012
Subject: Re: Cleaning whitewall tires on AF steam
I haven't tried it for that but it works for cleaning track but Goo Gone might work. I buy it in my local supermarket in the household supplies section. Bob In Kalispell
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: lbrenterprisesllc@...
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 04:16:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cleaning whitewall tires on AF steam


























We have used finger nail polish remover for years with no adverse affects.

Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc





--- On Mon, 12/10/12, Charles Hancock <charles_hancock@...> wrote:



From: Charles Hancock <charles_hancock@...>

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cleaning whitewall tires on AF steam

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, December 10, 2012, 11:22 PM







Greetings!

Thorin, I use, with some success, the cleaner that I use on the whitewall tires on my "old" car. It works well on marks and has some whitening power with no apparent "side affects".

Best wishes,

Charlie in W,MI



On Dec 10, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Thorin wrote:



> Good evening:

>

> I wish to whiten, as much as possible, the whitewalls on my AF 343 0-8-0. My hunt on the Internet told me to use q-tip with Fantastic.

>

> I have seen this done but I can't find my notes. Is this the correct technique? Does anyone have another suggestion?

>

> Thank you,

> Thorin Marty

> Wauwatosa, WI

>

>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70956 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/11/2012
Subject: Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
Tom,

The screws on the two ends of the upright are 4/40. I confirmed this by screwing in a known 4/40 screw. I then found the largest diameter drill bit that fits in the hole. It is a #43 (0.0890"). Checking a machine screw table the correct drill for tapping a brass or aluminum 4/40 machine screw is a #43 bit. The screws do appear to be brass.

I then checked the diameter of the smaller hole on the back of the upright. The largest drill bit that fits is a #49 (0.0730"). Going back to the machine screw table the #49 bit is the proper size for tapping a steel #2/56 machine screw. I have only one of these screws and it does appear to be steel. So it appears that the smaller, shorter screw used on the back of the upright is a steel #2/56 x 3/16". Does that correspond to a fastener that Gilbert used?

David


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
> That's the screw that I removed from my 577 Billboard.  Are you sure you tried a 4/40 screw.  These are the same screws that go on a metal tender.
> Tom
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 8:18 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
>
>
>  
> Tom,
>
> A 4/40 will not fit. It is too large in diameter. Any other ideas?
>
> David
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi David,
>   The screw is #S-0 4/40 x 3/16 Round Head. I sell these 6/$1.00.
> > Tom Seccia
> >   Triple "S" Supplies
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 2:39 PM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
> >
> >
> >  
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have a Type I 577 whistling billboard with the four piece die-cast frame. The two upright sides of the frame fasten to the base using what appears to be a #2 or #3 screw maybe 1/4" or 3/16" long. Can anyone identify this screw for me? Is it a machine screw, sheet metal screw or something else? I need one and have not been able to find one at any hardware store. If anyone has a spare sitting around I'm in the market for it!
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70957 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 12/11/2012
Subject: Re: Layout video
Actually I thought you were pretty brave to bring the crossing gates to a
show because they are so delicate. I think they were my favorite
accessory, along with the mail pick-up car.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 12/11/2012 5:48:26 A.M. Central Standard Time,
briansnook3@... writes:




The crossing gates are on a switch, at that time I must have had them off
to give them a break. Running the accessories and trains for six hours
straight at a show is hard on them. I switch to different trains every hour or
so and try to let the accessories rest as much as possible. Solenoids on
those really heat up. Though it is hard letting the accessories rest because
people always want to see them work, the trains I can just swap out.

Brian

>________________________________
> From: "_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) "
<_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) >
>To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
>Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout video
>
>
>
>I am more of a scale guy but I thoroughly enjoyed watching this. I had
>most of the operating accessories as a child, though never the cattle
loader.
>It looked like everything was working perfectly except for the crossing
>gates.
>
>- Earl Henry, Nashville
>
>
>In a message dated 12/10/2012 8:36:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>_briansnook3@..._ (mailto:briansnook3@...) writes:
>
>Hey, its my layout. I took it to two shows this year, The Great Train
Expo
>and the Granite City Train Show. That video was taken at the Great Train
>Expo, I'm the guy at the end filling the engines with smoke fluid. I
built
>this layout at the beginning of this year, it is basically a large double
>track oval. It is has several design features that you only usually see
in
>micro layouts, such as the proscenium arch in front, the traversers in
back,
>and is lighted with two fluorescent shop lights. All the accessories,
>track, transformers, and trains are all original with only some small
>reproduction parts. I like to keep everything as original as possible. I
enjoy the
>non-digital features such as sounds, smoke, and lights.
>
>The track is set up with two large traversers in back that are on
threaded
>rods that allow me to move it two different tracks with a great amount of
>accuracy. In front there is a several industries that can be switched,
and
>many operating accessories. It is built in sections and takes around 4
>hours to set up or take down. If you have any questions about it, please
ask.
>
>You can find more info and a track plan at my website and blog at
>
>__http://briansaftrains.com/__ (http://briansaftrains.com/_)
(_http://briansaftrains.com/_ (http://briansaftrains.com/) )
>
>Brian
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Brady Burdge <__brady@..._
(mailto:_brady@...) _
>(mailto:_brady@..._
(mailto:brady@...) ) >
>>To: S-Trains <__s-trains@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:_s-trains@yahoogroups.com) _
>(mailto:_s-trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:s-trains@yahoogroups.com) ) >
>>Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 6:18 PM
>>Subject: [S-Trains] Layout video
>>
>>
>>
>>Nice design..can anyone tell us about it?
>>
>>__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly5NhAh5vR8&sns=em__
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly5NhAh5vR8&sns=em_)
>(_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly5NhAh5vR8&sns=em_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly5NhAh5vR8&sns=em) )
>>
>>Brady
>>
>>Sent from my Kindle Fire
>>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70958 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
Hi David,
� The screws on the top of the upright and the screws going through the base are both 4/40 x 3/16.    Gilbert did use any 2/56 screws on their "O" or "S" Gauge line.  They did use #2 Tapping screws Such as S-171 #2 x 3/16.  The machine screws on their "O" and "S" line were 4/40, 6/32 and 8/32.   The 577 Billboard I have does not have a screw going through the back. I have my 577 for parts and it is missing the sign and the frame on the top. I see the holes on the uprights and the holes on the sheet metal.  The holes do not align so I believe you're drilling new holes to align the holes so you can put it together.  I believe the 2/56 screw would work, but I think the 3/16 Length may be too long as this will enter the slot and keep the billboard insert sign from sliding down.  I have 2/56 Taps and 2/56 screws in stock.  Let me know if you need anything.
Tom



________________________________
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:40 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question


 
Tom,

The screws on the two ends of the upright are 4/40. I confirmed this by screwing in a known 4/40 screw. I then found the largest diameter drill bit that fits in the hole. It is a #43 (0.0890"). Checking a machine screw table the correct drill for tapping a brass or aluminum 4/40 machine screw is a #43 bit. The screws do appear to be brass.

I then checked the diameter of the smaller hole on the back of the upright. The largest drill bit that fits is a #49 (0.0730"). Going back to the machine screw table the #49 bit is the proper size for tapping a steel #2/56 machine screw. I have only one of these screws and it does appear to be steel. So it appears that the smaller, shorter screw used on the back of the upright is a steel #2/56 x 3/16". Does that correspond to a fastener that Gilbert used?

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
> That's the screw that I removed from my 577 Billboard.  Are you sure you tried a 4/40 screw.  These are the same screws that go on a metal tender.
> Tom
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 8:18 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
>
>
>  
> Tom,
>
> A 4/40 will not fit. It is too large in diameter. Any other ideas?
>
> David
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi David,
>   The screw is #S-0 4/40 x 3/16 Round Head. I sell these 6/$1.00.
> > Tom Seccia
> >   Triple "S" Supplies
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 2:39 PM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
> >
> >
> >  
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have a Type I 577 whistling billboard with the four piece die-cast frame. The two upright sides of the frame fasten to the base using what appears to be a #2 or #3 screw maybe 1/4" or 3/16" long. Can anyone identify this screw for me? Is it a machine screw, sheet metal screw or something else? I need one and have not been able to find one at any hardware store. If anyone has a spare sitting around I'm in the market for it!
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70959 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
Hi Tom,

I'll take some photos of the frame and post them. Hopefully that will clear up the question.

David

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>   The screws on the top of the upright and the screws going through the base are both 4/40 x 3/16.    Gilbert did use any 2/56 screws on their "O" or "S" Gauge line.  They did use #2 Tapping screws Such as S-171 #2 x 3/16.  The machine screws on their "O" and "S" line were 4/40, 6/32 and 8/32.   The 577 Billboard I have does not have a screw going through the back. I have my 577 for parts and it is missing the sign and the frame on the top. I see the holes on the uprights and the holes on the sheet metal.  The holes do not align so I believe you're drilling new holes to align the holes so you can put it together.  I believe the 2/56 screw would work, but I think the 3/16 Length may be too long as this will enter the slot and keep the billboard insert sign from sliding down.  I have 2/56 Taps and 2/56 screws in stock.  Let me know if you need anything.
> Tom
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:40 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
>
>
>  
> Tom,
>
> The screws on the two ends of the upright are 4/40. I confirmed this by screwing in a known 4/40 screw. I then found the largest diameter drill bit that fits in the hole. It is a #43 (0.0890"). Checking a machine screw table the correct drill for tapping a brass or aluminum 4/40 machine screw is a #43 bit. The screws do appear to be brass.
>
> I then checked the diameter of the smaller hole on the back of the upright. The largest drill bit that fits is a #49 (0.0730"). Going back to the machine screw table the #49 bit is the proper size for tapping a steel #2/56 machine screw. I have only one of these screws and it does appear to be steel. So it appears that the smaller, shorter screw used on the back of the upright is a steel #2/56 x 3/16". Does that correspond to a fastener that Gilbert used?
>
> David
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi David,
> > That's the screw that I removed from my 577 Billboard.  Are you sure you tried a 4/40 screw.  These are the same screws that go on a metal tender.
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@>
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 8:18 PM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
> >
> >
> >  
> > Tom,
> >
> > A 4/40 will not fit. It is too large in diameter. Any other ideas?
> >
> > David
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi David,
> >   The screw is #S-0 4/40 x 3/16 Round Head. I sell these 6/$1.00.
> > > Tom Seccia
> > >   Triple "S" Supplies
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@>
> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 2:39 PM
> > > Subject: [S-Trains] 577 Whistling Billboard Fastener Question
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > > Hi All,
> > >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70960 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: 2-8-8-2s shipping
I just received notice that my credit card took a major hit. Judging by the
amount, I believe the Mallets are shipping. Heads up all!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 70961 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2s shipping
IF so, let us know how long it runs.

Jim "chuckling on the East Coast" Lyle


In a message dated 12/12/2012 1:39:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
djdewey@... writes:

I just received notice that my credit card took a major hit. Judging by
the
amount, I believe the Mallets are shipping. Heads up all!
S'
David D.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70962 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2s shipping
ME TO0 ...... BOB

--- On Wed, 12/12/12, djdewey@... <djdewey@...> wrote:


From: djdewey@... <djdewey@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] 2-8-8-2s shipping
To: "S-Trains Yahoo Group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 1:18 PM



 



I just received notice that my credit card took a major hit. Judging by the
amount, I believe the Mallets are shipping. Heads up all!
S'
David D.








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Group: S-Trains Message: 70963 From: Robert E. Wilson Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: Drills and Taps for Billboard Repair
David, About 25 years ago I purchased a handy set of drills and taps in a
small storage case from Sears. Mine was called “Craftsman Electricians Tap
and Drill Set” The Sears website lists the item info as “Craftsman 13 pc.
Tap Set, Sold by Sears SearsItem# 00952068000 | Model# 52068”. It has taps
and matching numbered drills from 4/40 to ¼/20. One advantage is you do not
need to purchase a complete numbered drill set.



Bob Wilson, Arvada







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Group: S-Trains Message: 70964 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: 577 Billboard Frame and Screws - Photos
Hi All,

I've posted three photos showing the 577 billboard die cast frame and screws. You can see the photos here:

http://tinyurl.com/av9hpkd

You can see there are three different screws. One is a 4/40 x 1/2", the second is a 4/40 X 3/8" and the third is the mystery screw. It appears to a #2 screw, possibly self tapping. This is how it was assembled when I bought it so I'm assuming it came from the factory like this. I haven't done anything other than disassemble it, strip the paint, re-paint and re-assemble. All I need is one of the mystery screws to finish it.

By the way the mystery screw does not extend into the slot for the sign.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 70965 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: Re: 577 Billboard Frame and Screws - Photos
Hi David,
                   After looking at your photos, I gave you some bad information. On the parts unit I have it is missing the upper and lower crossbars.  The screws in your photo are the correct size. The 4/40 x 3/8 is S-202 and the 4/40 x 1/2 is S-13. The tapping screw #2 x 3/16 is S-171. That screw works fine and there is no need to tap a 2/56  hole. Sorry for the confusion.
                                                                  Tom Seccia




________________________________
From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:32 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 577 Billboard Frame and Screws - Photos


 
Hi All,

I've posted three photos showing the 577 billboard die cast frame and screws. You can see the photos here:

http://tinyurl.com/av9hpkd

You can see there are three different screws. One is a 4/40 x 1/2", the second is a 4/40 X 3/8" and the third is the mystery screw. It appears to a #2 screw, possibly self tapping. This is how it was assembled when I bought it so I'm assuming it came from the factory like this. I haven't done anything other than disassemble it, strip the paint, re-paint and re-assemble. All I need is one of the mystery screws to finish it.

By the way the mystery screw does not extend into the slot for the sign.

David




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70966 From: David Date: 12/13/2012
Subject: Change The Look Of Your AF #290 E&T (Advertisement)
We have added a "NEW SUPER SET" of decals to our web site at

http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html>

These decals give you the opportunity to re-number and re-letter your AF
#290. Enough decals to do three (3) E&T units in "BALTIMORE & OHIO,
"PENNSYLVANIA" or "LEHIGH VALLEY". This set even has the number for the
area under the head light.

By contacting us you may also have these decals in Metallic Silver or
Dulux Gold for $2.00 more per set.

Thank You All For Your Continuing Support.

Dave
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFPARTSANDPIECES/post?postID=7nV88smr29_N\
7gkvaQWZw7gkDqmteevTpYCgf9D_dLRj1yhIGK0xRLcFtdQnqBA> at LBR
Enterprises,llc



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70967 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 12/13/2012
Subject: Re: 2-8-8-2s shipping
RUNS??? I thought we were supposed to put them on a shelf to look at, or
keep them in the box so we can sell them later to retire on. . . . .
:)
Actually, if it gets here on time, and I don't get snowed out, I'll try it
out on Mike Wrights Christmas layout in Dunsmuir over the holidays. However,
current weather forecast for Dunsmuir over Christmas is "moderate snow."
David D.
PS, Oh, and that includes saving the shipping box, right??
Heh heh heh.

Re: 2-8-8-2s shipping
Posted by: "WJJIM@..." WJJIM@... wjjim2001
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:07 am ((PST))

IF so, let us know how long it runs.

Jim "chuckling on the East Coast" Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 70968 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/13/2012
Subject: Article - The Passenger Train Oriented Layout
Pre-Amtrak passenger operations could be as varied and interesting as freight operations - locals and day trains, intercity expresses, the servicing of diners, express and mail cars, etc. Here's an interesting series on passenger train ops..

http://www.trainlife.com/articles/540/the-passenger-train-oriented-layout-part-1

http://www.trainlife.com/articles/542

http://www.trainlife.com/articles/544/the-passenger-train-oriented-layout-part-3

http://www.trainlife.com/articles/545/the-passenger-train-oriented-layout-part-4

The American Flyer operator has a good head start thanks to the operating mail and baggage cars, the animated station and the impressive Union Station and shed.

Brady Burdge

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70969 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/14/2012
Subject: Re: Article - The Passenger Train Oriented Layout
Brady brings up a good point. PVMR's layouts cater to "passengers", with
passenger trains, trolleys and stations, one rather large. After
Christmas, "JEFFRO'S CIRCUS" train will be coming back to the "S" layout from it's
season long run at NTTM in Strasburg, PA.

_http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2012-2013.html_
(http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2012-2013.html)

ALSO negotiating to bring the BORAX 20 Mule Team to "S" town for a visit.

Jim Lyle


In a message dated 12/13/2012 10:22:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
brady@... writes:

Pre-Amtrak passenger operations could be as varied and interesting as
freight operations - locals and day trains, intercity expresses, the servicing
of diners, express and mail cars, etc. Here's an interesting series on
passenger train ops..

http://www.trainlife.com/articles/540/the-passenger-train-oriented-layout-pa
rt-1

http://www.trainlife.com/articles/542

http://www.trainlife.com/articles/544/the-passenger-train-oriented-layout-pa
rt-3

http://www.trainlife.com/articles/545/the-passenger-train-oriented-layout-pa
rt-4

The American Flyer operator has a good head start thanks to the operating
mail and baggage cars, the animated station and the impressive Union
Station and shed.

Brady Burdge

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70970 From: Joe San2c Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: This setup is beyond unbelievable
Group: S-Trains Message: 70971 From: Jerry Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Photos
Taking a break from all the Christmas things (and sporadic layout building), I painted a train last week, and posted the photos on another S Site. But I decided to post them here too, so look in a folder labeled Jerry's Trains to see them. It's an update of The Banker's set that Gilbert and Lionel came out with. I used a recent re-issue of the New Haven EP-5, plus the Flyonel New Haven boxcar as a head end car, then painted surplus shells to match the locomotive and boxcar. I gave them a more up to date paint scheme by painting the roofs black and adding actual town names on the number boards, plus adding New Haven heralds on the sides of the cars, made on my computer and printed on card stock. The name boards also say "NEW HAVEN" rather than "AMERICAN FLYER LINES".

Jerry
Training in Wayne, MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 70972 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Re: This setup is beyond unbelievable
Wow! That is somethin'!!


On Dec 15, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Joe San2c wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/embed/ACkmg3Y64_s?rel=0
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70973 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Re: Photos
jerry:
nice work, something to keep the creative juices flowing, thanks for
sharing
mel perry

On Dec 15, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Jerry wrote:

> Taking a break from all the Christmas things (and sporadic layout
> building), I painted a train last week, and posted the photos on
> another S Site. But I decided to post them here too, so look in a
> folder labeled Jerry's Trains to see them. It's an update of The
> Banker's set that Gilbert and Lionel came out with. I used a recent
> re-issue of the New Haven EP-5, plus the Flyonel New Haven boxcar
> as a head end car, then painted surplus shells to match the
> locomotive and boxcar. I gave them a more up to date paint scheme
> by painting the roofs black and adding actual town names on the
> number boards, plus adding New Haven heralds on the sides of the
> cars, made on my computer and printed on card stock. The name
> boards also say "NEW HAVEN" rather than "AMERICAN FLYER LINES".
>
> Jerry
> Training in Wayne, MI
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70974 From: Tom Hawley Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: The Lowell Car - Re: [S-Trains] Photos
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry
. . . . . I painted a train last week, . . . . . . . . . then painted
surplus shells to match the locomotive and boxcar. I gave them a more up to
date paint scheme by painting the roofs black and adding actual town names.
. . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Good work. And it makes me ask the question ~~ hasn't anyone in this great
hobby ever tried to put little 3-dimensional people in the dome of an AF
dome car? Why do all the people in AF dome cars stay downstairs?

Tom Hawley (never satisfied) -- Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 70975 From: kb6gz Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: DCC troubles
I was attempting to change the address of one of my SHS 2-8-0s from 722 to 2512. I was using a programming track. The address did change and the engine responds to bell, horn, and all other commands except to change direction or run at all. It seems to be stuck with the rear light on. It will not move in any direction and the rear headlamp stays on. I can turn the light off okay, the engine just won't respond to commands to move.

I must have changed a CV but I don't have any idea which one. All my other engines run fine including another 2-8-0.

The DCC chips are Lenz Gold.

Any ideas what I did?

Rick
San Diego
Group: S-Trains Message: 70976 From: Warner, Ronald Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Re: The Lowell Car - Re: [S-Trains] Photos
Tom,

yes ... I have installed HO scale folks sitting in S-scale coach chairs in the dome of a 962 green-stripe car

the chairs rest on a molded insert from a Q-tip box, allowing some light to 'enter' the dome; the insert has opaque 'flooring' down the center isle

Sorry I don't have a photo handy, but the result was very satisfactory [ for me ] ... I'll try to locate a still photo, taken by a fellow member at one of our club play-days @ 3 yrs. ago

I have plans to modify three more [ complete strip-paint-redecal: B&O, UP, & Calif Zephyr-CBQ ] dome cars, as I agree: some of my AM Flyer passengers need to see the layout country-side from "up in the dome"

Ron Warner

________________________________
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hawley [t.hawley@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 3:56 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: The Lowell Car - Re: [S-Trains] Photos



----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry
. . . . . I painted a train last week, . . . . . . . . . then painted
surplus shells to match the locomotive and boxcar. I gave them a more up to
date paint scheme by painting the roofs black and adding actual town names.
. . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Good work. And it makes me ask the question ~~ hasn't anyone in this great
hobby ever tried to put little 3-dimensional people in the dome of an AF
dome car? Why do all the people in AF dome cars stay downstairs?

Tom Hawley (never satisfied) -- Lansing Mich





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70977 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Re: DCC troubles
Reset the decoder to factory defaults. Then do your re-programming from the
start
Steve
SnS Trains, Boise.


In a message dated 12/15/2012 5:15:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
piecon@... writes:




I was attempting to change the address of one of my SHS 2-8-0s from 722 to
2512. I was using a programming track. The address did change and the
engine responds to bell, horn, and all other commands except to change direction
or run at all. It seems to be stuck with the rear light on. It will not
move in any direction and the rear headlamp stays on. I can turn the light
off okay, the engine just won't respond to commands to move.

I must have changed a CV but I don't have any idea which one. All my other
engines run fine including another 2-8-0.

The DCC chips are Lenz Gold.

Any ideas what I did?

Rick
San Diego






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Group: S-Trains Message: 70978 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/16/2012, 5:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday December 16, 2012
Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group

Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats: This event repeats every week.
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Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70979 From: Thorin Marty Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Whitening AF whitewalls; what was done
Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) Ladies:

I wish to thank all that provided advice for whitening the whitewalls on AF
locomotives. I tried all of them! Scrape first, then Goo Gone, then
Fantastic. The scraping did the most good. This locomotive has seen a lot of
repairs over the years, including loose tyres. I scraped off a lot of old glue.

The whitewalls are much more white.
Thorin


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70980 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Roadbed Gone Wild
Hi All,

Several months ago there were two guys that were bidding AF roadbed up to extremely high prices. Well they may be back on eBay item #140895057746. It will be interesting to see if they keep bidding against one another.

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 70981 From: Thorin Marty Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Dual decoders: Thank you
Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) Ladies:

I wish to thank all that provided advice and comments about dual decoders in
models. Many felt it was a bad idea -- unless we are talking about one in the
locomotive and one in the tender.

Thanks to whoever found the 3 amp Soundtraxx upgrade. Although there is a lot
of space inside the boiler of an American Flyer 0-8-0, there isn't enough space
for this version. I did bookmark the page for future reference.

I have a Digitrax Soundbug and a Digitrax DH465 on my workbench. These are
intended to piggyback. Intiail programming is easy: do them one-by-one on the
workbench. But I haven't known how to independently program them once
installed. Thank you for teaching me about CV15 and CV16. I know I printed
it. I just have to find the advice on how to initially set them up.

The locomotive is making good progress in its conversion from AC motor with
bridge rectifier to a full DCC locomotive with sound and an S-n-S slow speed can
motor. I have stripped the locomotive and tender shell. Next is to wash them,
mount them, and they are ready for the paint shop with a dip-paint job of Polly
S Steam Power Black.

Thorin


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70982 From: Thorin Marty Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Brighter than Dullcote but not a gloss coat.
Good evening:

My AF 0-8-0 rebuild to DCC with sound is going well. I will be spraying Polly S
Steam Power Black in a few days. After brushed highlights in other colours, dry
transfers, and decals; she will be ready for a top coat.

Normally I use Tester's Dullcote and it works well. But true American Flyer is
not dull. Nor is it a gloss coat. Testers only makes these two extremes. Does
anyone have any experience with an AF like shine, in a spray can, that will not
damage the model, paint, or lettering?

Thank you,
Thorin Marty
Wauwatosa, WI


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70983 From: Thorin Marty Date: 12/15/2012
Subject: Re: Dual decoders: Thank you
Before the S-Scale police yell at me again, the signature should have been my
full name with location.

Thorin Marty
Wauwatosa, WI




________________________________
From: Thorin Marty <lagthor@...>
To: "S-Scale@yahoogroups.com" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>;
"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, December 15, 2012 8:04:34 PM
Subject: Dual decoders: Thank you


Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) Ladies:

I wish to thank all that provided advice and comments about dual decoders in
models. Many felt it was a bad idea -- unless we are talking about one in the
locomotive and one in the tender.

Thanks to whoever found the 3 amp Soundtraxx upgrade. Although there is a lot
of space inside the boiler of an American Flyer 0-8-0, there isn't enough space
for this version. I did bookmark the page for future reference.

I have a Digitrax Soundbug and a Digitrax DH465 on my workbench. These are
intended to piggyback. Intiail programming is easy: do them one-by-one on the
workbench. But I haven't known how to independently program them once
installed. Thank you for teaching me about CV15 and CV16. I know I printed
it. I just have to find the advice on how to initially set them up.

The locomotive is making good progress in its conversion from AC motor with
bridge rectifier to a full DCC locomotive with sound and an S-n-S slow speed can
motor. I have stripped the locomotive and tender shell. Next is to wash them,
mount them, and they are ready for the paint shop with a dip-paint job of Polly
S Steam Power Black.

Thorin


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Group: S-Trains Message: 70984 From: Warner, Ronald Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: HO folks in S-scale dome RE: The Lowell Car - Re: [S-Trains] Photos
I couldn't find a 'still' photo, but here's a short video, attached, from our Lubbock Model RR Assoc. playday in Oct. 2009

the second passenger car has the HO riders in the dome; note: the first dome is 'vacant'.

Ron Warner --- Shallowater, TX [ but grew up in the Ahia area !! ]

P.S. sorry about the video quality, it's the best I had at the time.

________________________________
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Warner, Ronald
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 5:47 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: The Lowell Car - Re: [S-Trains] Photos



Tom,

yes ... I have installed HO scale folks sitting in S-scale coach chairs in the dome of a 962 green-stripe car

the chairs rest on a molded insert from a Q-tip box, allowing some light to 'enter' the dome; the insert has opaque 'flooring' down the center isle

Sorry I don't have a photo handy, but the result was very satisfactory [ for me ] ... I'll try to locate a still photo, taken by a fellow member at one of our club play-days @ 3 yrs. ago

I have plans to modify three more [ complete strip-paint-redecal: B&O, UP, & Calif Zephyr-CBQ ] dome cars, as I agree: some of my AM Flyer passengers need to see the layout country-side from "up in the dome"

Ron Warner

________________________________
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Tom Hawley [t.hawley@...<mailto:t.hawley%40comcast.net>]
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 3:56 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: The Lowell Car - Re: [S-Trains] Photos

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry
. . . . . I painted a train last week, . . . . . . . . . then painted
surplus shells to match the locomotive and boxcar. I gave them a more up to
date paint scheme by painting the roofs black and adding actual town names.
. . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Good work. And it makes me ask the question ~~ hasn't anyone in this great
hobby ever tried to put little 3-dimensional people in the dome of an AF
dome car? Why do all the people in AF dome cars stay downstairs?

Tom Hawley (never satisfied) -- Lansing Mich

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70985 From: Michael Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: SJSG 2012 Christmas Card
Here's a little news flash for you... Take a peak
at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxh8XWX_ZMM

The South Jersey S Gaugers has posted their first
advertisement/Christmas card on YouTube. Thanks to the artistic
handiwork of member Stu Gillard, our club now has a nice 1:18 minute
video promotion of our club and S-Gauge in general, in a Christmas card theme.

Stu used a MAC to pull together clips of our 2-level portable layout
(mostly from a show we did at the Vineland Veterans Home this year)
into a very well done promotion that is intended to peak the interest
of the general public. As a first attempt, I think he hit it out of
the ballpark!

Please feel free to add comments to the video clip, and we hope you enjoy it!

Best wishes for a very Merry Christmas to everyone.

Michael
Group: S-Trains Message: 70986 From: poniaj Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: The Lowell Car - Re: [S-Trains] Photos
Tom,

I'm working on it..... ;>)

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jerry
> . . . . . I painted a train last week, . . . . . . . . . then painted
> surplus shells to match the locomotive and boxcar. I gave them a more
up to
> date paint scheme by painting the roofs black and adding actual town
names.
> . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> Good work. And it makes me ask the question ~~ hasn't anyone in this
great
> hobby ever tried to put little 3-dimensional people in the dome of an
AF
> dome car? Why do all the people in AF dome cars stay downstairs?
>
> Tom Hawley (never satisfied) -- Lansing Mich
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70987 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: Re: HO folks in S-scale dome RE: The Lowell Car - Re: [S-Trains] Pho
Hi all:
Did the video ref. get lost in electronic space - did my pc lose it?
Looking forward to seeing it.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
On 12/16/2012 04:44, Warner, Ronald wrote:
>
> I couldn't find a 'still' photo, but here's a short video, attached,
> from our Lubbock Model RR Assoc. playday in Oct. 2009
>
> the second passenger car has the HO riders in the dome; note: the
> first dome is 'vacant'.
>
> Ron Warner --- Shallowater, TX [ but grew up in the Ahia area !! ]
>
> P.S. sorry about the video quality, it's the best I had at the time.
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 70988 From: Jerry Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: Dagwood
Some time last year, I came accross a cartoon that I HAD to modify to
suit our brand of trains... Geez, I even kitbash cartoons!

Jerry

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Group: S-Trains Message: 70989 From: alsflyer Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: Needing Photos of the AF 334DC tender wiring
I am needing photos of the AF 334DC tender wiring of the insides or wiring schematic of this tender.


If you have an AF 334DC - Would you be so kind as to remove the tender covering and take photos of each side of the tender to show how it is wired.

Please send those photos to me asap at alsflyer@....


Thanks much,

Al Rawdon
Group: S-Trains Message: 70990 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/16/2012, 5:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday December 16, 2012
Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group

Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70991 From: Jeff Faust Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: Re: Brighter than Dullcote but not a gloss coat.
I did my last locomotive restoration using Krylon Semi-Flat Black in a rattle can, and to me, it looked a perfect match to the Gilbert sheen. Are you committed to using the Polly S as your base coat?

--Jeff


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Thorin Marty <lagthor@...> wrote:
>
> Good evening:
>
> My AF 0-8-0 rebuild to DCC with sound is going well. I will be spraying Polly S
> Steam Power Black in a few days. After brushed highlights in other colours, dry
> transfers, and decals; she will be ready for a top coat.
>
> Normally I use Tester's Dullcote and it works well. But true American Flyer is
> not dull. Nor is it a gloss coat. Testers only makes these two extremes. Does
> anyone have any experience with an AF like shine, in a spray can, that will not
> damage the model, paint, or lettering?
>
> Thank you,
> Thorin Marty
> Wauwatosa, WI
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70992 From: Jerry Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: Re: Dagwood
OK, so the insertion of the cartoon didn't work, so it's now in my
folder, "Jerry's trains".

Jerry


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote:
>
> Some time last year, I came accross a cartoon that I HAD to modify to
> suit our brand of trains... Geez, I even kitbash cartoons!
>
> Jerry
>
> [242]
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 70993 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: 577 Whistling Billboard Video
Hi All,

Here's a video of the 577 whistling billboard Ie just restored and customized for my wife - Tracie's Beauty Shoppe. There's also a sign for my younger son - Allen's Crab Shack along with the mascot! The whistle doesn't grind loud at all on the workbench until I put on the housing. It seems to amplify the grinding a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ReZ1Vh6n9I

David
Group: S-Trains Message: 70994 From: robert hendrickson Date: 12/16/2012
Subject: Re: Brighter than Dullcote but not a gloss coat.
Tamiya makes a semi gloss clearcoat that works nicely.
 
Bob hendrickson


________________________________
From: Jeff Faust <jfaust42@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:02 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Brighter than Dullcote but not a gloss coat.


 

I did my last locomotive restoration using Krylon Semi-Flat Black in a rattle can, and to me, it looked a perfect match to the Gilbert sheen. Are you committed to using the Polly S as your base coat?

--Jeff

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Thorin Marty <lagthor@...> wrote:
>
> Good evening:
>
> My AF 0-8-0 rebuild to DCC with sound is going well. I will be spraying Polly S
> Steam Power Black in a few days. After brushed highlights in other colours, dry
> transfers, and decals; she will be ready for a top coat.
>
> Normally I use Tester's Dullcote and it works well. But true American Flyer is
> not dull. Nor is it a gloss coat. Testers only makes these two extremes. Does
> anyone have any experience with an AF like shine, in a spray can, that will not
> damage the model, paint, or lettering?
>
> Thank you,
> Thorin Marty
> Wauwatosa, WI
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70995 From: aztecfan Date: 12/17/2012
Subject: People for dome cars
I need people for my drive in movie theater.

All we need is people from the waist up.

I was looking for figures I could cast the top half of.

Art??? has a few figures. Could not remember the spelling.

I was using 40 cars for my drive in and 12 more lined up to get in.

I also need a way to make poles to hold the speakers and up North the heaters.

Was going to use black thread and mount to windows.

I bet some of you guys don't remember, you were to busy ............

Jim Sleeth
Group: S-Trains Message: 70996 From: Jerry Date: 12/17/2012
Subject: Re: People for dome cars
Jim,

The company you're trying to remember (an we all are having more trouble
with that) is Arttista. Very nice products, and reasonable priced. MTH
also had a BAG of figures, unpainted for O scale, but they were vastly
undersized, and thus suitable for S. I believe some of our great
suppliers may have them in stock. Ask around. I have a couple of bags
of them since I'm "frugal". Of course, to my wife, it's simply
"cheapskate". ;>)

Jerry

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "aztecfan" <aztecfan@...> wrote:
>
> I need people for my drive in movie theater.
>
> All we need is people from the waist up.
>
> I was looking for figures I could cast the top half of.
>
> Art??? has a few figures. Could not remember the spelling.
>
> I was using 40 cars for my drive in and 12 more lined up to get in.
>
> I also need a way to make poles to hold the speakers and up North the
heaters.
>
> Was going to use black thread and mount to windows.
>
> I bet some of you guys don't remember, you were to busy ............
>
> Jim Sleeth
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 70997 From: Alan Lambert Date: 12/17/2012
Subject: Re: People for dome cars
From: Alan Lambert
�Fort Worth, Texas

All,

Check out Doug Peck at Portline Hobbies His website lists all of what you are looking for.
� Thanks,
� Alan


________________________________
From: Jerry <poniaj@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 12:56 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: People for dome cars


 

Jim,

The company you're trying to remember (an we all are having more trouble
with that) is Arttista. Very nice products, and reasonable priced. MTH
also had a BAG of figures, unpainted for O scale, but they were vastly
undersized, and thus suitable for S. I believe some of our great
suppliers may have them in stock. Ask around. I have a couple of bags
of them since I'm "frugal". Of course, to my wife, it's simply
"cheapskate". ;>)

Jerry

--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "aztecfan" <aztecfan@...> wrote:
>
> I need people for my drive in movie theater.
>
> All we need is people from the waist up.
>
> I was looking for figures I could cast the top half of.
>
> Art??? has a few figures. Could not remember the spelling.
>
> I was using 40 cars for my drive in and 12 more lined up to get in.
>
> I also need a way to make poles to hold the speakers and up North the
heaters.
>
> Was going to use black thread and mount to windows.
>
> I bet some of you guys don't remember, you were to busy ............
>
> Jim Sleeth
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 70998 From: Tom Hawley Date: 12/17/2012
Subject: Re: People for dome cars
What timing ~ At club meeting yesterday someone brought a new AF full-length dome passenger car from which he had removed the plastic dome. He had inserted a full length HO passenger car interior (can find out which if anyone cares) in the top. It seemed to be a perfect fit. He plans to populate it with little HO 3-dimensional people and press the dome back on.

There's no limit to how realism can be increased with a little initiative and imagination.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan





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Group: S-Trains Message: 70999 From: aztecfan Date: 12/18/2012
Subject: Dome car people
Since I am needing cars for my Drive Inn I think I should get half off for half a person right? Legs will not fit under steering wheels.

Yes Mikes people are great. I would feel like Frankenstein cutting off their legs. For you leg men I could send them to you.

Jim Sleeth
Group: S-Trains Message: 71000 From: Michael Leahy Date: 12/18/2012
Subject: Milk Cans
Recently I purchased on Ebay some milk cans for my Gilbert Operating Milk
Unloading Car (#25019). However, it turns out the seven I purchased were
the ones with the black base to be used on the loading platform. I would be
interested in buying the 4 cans for my 25019 if anyone has those for sale,
or trading the ones I have for the correct ones. Contact me at:
gmichael.leahy@...

I am also working on putting in a drive-in theatre on my American Flyer
lay-out. If anyone has small people for sale that would fit into the 1/64
scale cars for the expected crowd, I would appreciate hearing what is
available?

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Group: S-Trains Message: 71001 From: bull_gator_1 Date: 12/18/2012
Subject: Re: Milk Cans
Mike,

I recently bought a figure of an Arttista truck driver in S from Caboose Hobbies Inc website. He fits pretty good in several of my 1/64 convertible cars. I think he would fit in some of my other cars and trucks if I sanded a little off his, er, bottom - lol. You might try one of those for your drive-in.

David


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Leahy" wrote:

Recently I purchased on Ebay some milk cans for my Gilbert Operating Milk
Unloading Car (#25019). However, it turns out the seven I purchased were
the ones with the black base to be used on the loading platform. I would be
interested in buying the 4 cans for my 25019 if anyone has those for sale,
or trading the ones I have for the correct ones. Contact me at:
gmichael.leahy@...

I am also working on putting in a drive-in theatre on my American Flyer
lay-out. If anyone has small people for sale that would fit into the 1/64
scale cars for the expected crowd, I would appreciate hearing what is
available?

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Group: S-Trains Message: 71002 From: David Date: 12/18/2012
Subject: AF #740 Hand Car Decal Set+
We have just added the SHIELD w/BAR for the American Flyer #740 hand car
to our web site at



http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html>



Dave

LBR Enterprises,llc



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Group: S-Trains Message: 71003 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/18/2012
Subject: Re: Milk Cans
Hi Mike,
� The correct part number for the 973 and the 25019 is XA13A913. These milk cans have round bases like webles so these won't fall down. Not sure if I spelled webles right.
Tom Seccia




________________________________
From: Michael Leahy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Milk Cans


 
Recently I purchased on Ebay some milk cans for my Gilbert Operating Milk
Unloading Car (#25019). However, it turns out the seven I purchased were
the ones with the black base to be used on the loading platform. I would be
interested in buying the 4 cans for my 25019 if anyone has those for sale,
or trading the ones I have for the correct ones. Contact me at:
gmichael.leahy@...

I am also working on putting in a drive-in theatre on my American Flyer
lay-out. If anyone has small people for sale that would fit into the 1/64
scale cars for the expected crowd, I would appreciate hearing what is
available?

Thanks,

Mike Leahy




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Group: S-Trains Message: 71004 From: Gerry Evans Date: 12/19/2012
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} Re: Directory...
Hey, AF and high-rail folk. See Bill Winans' note to me below concerning the NASG electronic directory.
Gerry Evans

----- Original Message -----
From: scale S only
To: Gerry Evans
Cc: NASGmembers ; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com ; S-Scale-ProgreSSive@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:43 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Directory...




Hi Gerry --

The directory is fully functional and available to all members! I was going to make an announcement, but got balled up in local activities, including Xmas parties and Sandie’s birthday. If you would put it on the various groups, that would be helpful. Make sure you mention that in order to obtain a password (if one doesn’t have one), the person will need to use his name as it appears on his NASG membership, his NASG membership number and a matching email address to the one in the NASG files. All are checked in order to verify that the person asking for the password is who he says he is. If they have changed their email address without telling the NASG, they will have to make an email request to Claude Demers or Peter V. for the password and to change the member’s data.

Merry Christmas!
Bill
---------------
Where are we in the process of allowing all members to access the electronic directory? I've lost track.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 71005 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/19/2012
Subject: Lionel's YouTube Channel
Lionel has a Youtube channel with new product videos, clinics on Legacy/TMCC and basic model railroading stuff like soldering..

http://m.youtube.com/#/user/LIONELCS2011

Brady Burdge

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 71006 From: John Degnan Date: 12/19/2012
Subject: Circus and/or Zoo Animals?
In relation to my hand... do the animals (in the attachments or at the links below) appear to be S scale to anyone else other than me? I found them at the local Toys-R-Us last weekend. Didn't have a way to measure them. There were a few others about this same size.

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/Animals1.jpg

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/Animals2.jpg

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/Animals3.jpg

Anyone making circus cars in S scale? LOL!!! (Yeah, right!)

(Forgot to check the prices on them)


John Degnan
Scaler164@...
Scaler187@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 71007 From: Alan Lambert Date: 12/19/2012
Subject: Re: Circus and/or Zoo Animals?
From: Alan Lambert
�Fort Worth, Texas

John,
Good question. Now I have to go look again, but I think those are bigger but  may work. Remember animals come in all sizes.
� Alan Lambert


________________________________
From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
To: POST : (S) S-Trains Group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; POST : (S) SSTOT Group <SSTOT@yahoogroups.com>; POST : (S) S-Scale-ProgreSSive Group <S-Scale-ProgreSSive@yahoogroups.com>; POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroading Group <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:59 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Circus and/or Zoo Animals?


 

In relation to my hand... do the animals (in the attachments or at the links below) appear to be S scale to anyone else other than me? I found them at the local Toys-R-Us last weekend. Didn't have a way to measure them. There were a few others about this same size.

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/Animals1.jpg

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/Animals2.jpg

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/Animals3.jpg

Anyone making circus cars in S scale? LOL!!! (Yeah, right!)

(Forgot to check the prices on them)

John Degnan
mailto:Scaler164%40comcast.net
mailto:Scaler187%40comcast.net

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71008 From: acgilbertguy Date: 12/19/2012
Subject: Re: Circus and/or Zoo Animals?
John, In the future, try this to get a quick measurement that is really close. Our paper currency is just a tad over six inches in length and makes for a handy ruler. Fold it in half and you have three inches. In thirds for two inches; double it for a foot, etc. One of the things I learned from my dad many years ago. Rich

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote:
>
> In relation to my hand... do the animals (in the attachments or at the links below) appear to be S scale to anyone else other than me? I found them at the local Toys-R-Us last weekend. Didn't have a way to measure them. There were a few others about this same size.
>
> www.trainweb.org/seaboard/Animals1.jpg
>
> www.trainweb.org/seaboard/Animals2.jpg
>
> www.trainweb.org/seaboard/Animals3.jpg
>
> Anyone making circus cars in S scale? LOL!!! (Yeah, right!)
>
> (Forgot to check the prices on them)
>
>
> John Degnan
> Scaler164@...
> Scaler187@...
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71009 From: rj4010d Date: 12/20/2012
Subject: New Y 3's
To all, There are two vedios of the Y 3's in action on you tube listed under " cartrain1 " . Enjoy!!!!
Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh
Group: S-Trains Message: 71010 From: marks3891 Date: 12/20/2012
Subject: Re: Circus and/or Zoo Animals?
HEY,
Don't "LOL" about circus cars in S. Scenery Unlimited has an entirely new circus train as well as individual cars for sale. Check them out. Also "Flyonel" has a circus train, and there are some individual Lionel S-gauge cars on Ebay right now (Thursday evening).

Mark
> >
> > Anyone making circus cars in S scale? LOL!!! (Yeah, right!)
> >
> > >
Group: S-Trains Message: 71011 From: Eric Date: 12/21/2012
Subject: S Trains For Sale 12/21/12
December 20, 2012

I need some room and these are not going to make it to the layout if I want
to keep trains running around it. Make me an offer, thanks.



--------------------------------------------

#1: Group of 6 cars, I would like to sell as a group: All have hi-raIl
wheels but I can swap all except the ace trucks for scale if needed. All
for $ 75 plus $15 shipping



Gn 11082 box, AM, shs trucks, kadees

GN 71470 Kris refer, ace floor, am or SSA trucks, knuckles.

NP 25504 box, shs trucks, kadees.

NP 1094 box NASG 1994 AF convention car, ace floor, ace trucks, Am knuckles

NP 98446 refer AM, ace trucks, AM knuckles.

NP 17287 refer, PRS? Ace trucks, ACE knuckles.





2. SHS 01173 Canadian National Panelside hopper New in box $30

3. SHS 01171 Anderson panelside hopper new in box $30



19. SHS #01262 Frisco #1 Caboose (1275) new in box $45

22. Lionel Flyer UP Passenger car, small dome knuckle couplers
removed, like new otherwise, AM type knuckles added to base. email for info
$30

24. Ebay - BN ore cars � set of 5 shs

38. AM BNSF diesel pair SD60�s $350 DC mix of wheels email for details

39. AM BN diesels pair hi-rail � AC 9328 and 9254 (renumbered) email
for info. $320.

40. SHS BN Hopper 424702 used in box hi-rail-kadee $35

41. SHS BN hopper 42741 used in box hirail kadee $35

42. SHS BN hopper42423 used in box hirail kadee $35

43. SHS GN flat car 00167 red used in box hirail kadee $35

44. 01291 shs ore car BN $30

45. 000725 shs ore car DMIR $30

46. 00737 shs ore car milw $30

47. 00737 shs ore car milw $30

48. 00725 shs ore car DMIR $30

49. 00727 shs ore car B and LE $30

50. 00737 shs ore car MILW $30

51. 00178 SHS Tofc B and A state of maine $55
52. . 00178 SHS Tofc B and A state of maine $55


Shipping needs to be added�. $ 8 for one car and about $2 more for each
beyond that, engine sets are about $18 with insurance.



Everything has a box ,The first batch don�t necessarily match the boxes

All the AM and SHS from #2 on have correct matching boxes. All the rolling
stock has Flyer compatible wheels and Kadee or big knuckle couplers. I
think can swap out Kadees for Knuckle couplers on anything if you wish or
the other way around, I can swap out for scale wheels if you wish on the
SHS trucks. Everything has been lightly used but could probably pass for
new. If you make an offer on anything I will double check it and email you
with any conditions. The previously owner swapped out the couplers for
kadees and sold the knuckles and Scale wheels. I have some of each to swap
back if needed.



Let me know if you have an interest.

MAKE AN OFFER ON ANYTHING!!



Eric Reis, Kenmore, WA.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 71012 From: Ben Date: 12/21/2012
Subject: AF items for sale
Up for sale...

#343 loco and tender- runs (wobbles a bit)and smokes well- E-unit is somewhat sporadic- missing lower gear cover and front coupler spring. All else in place and looking good with some paint chips and play wear. Excellent for the operator and the layout: $345.00

#977 operating caboose missing rubber figure. Cat walks are good. Nice car for the layout: $50.00

#630 caboose (1948) with one partially missing step- otherwise very nice: $10

#360/364 Santa Fe A-B Alcos- run and are good for the layout: $250

#484 Prewar AF caboose- trucks and couplers good; paint a bit rough: $8

Buyer pays actual shipping for the item(s).

Got these in and just had shoulder surgery so I cannot tinker with them at this time. These would be great items with just a bit of TLC. Merry Christmas!

Ben
Group: S-Trains Message: 71013 From: David Date: 12/22/2012
Subject: "COMING SOON" Super Custom ATLANTIC E&T (Advertisement)
"COMING SOON"
(2013) may be pre-ordered
SUPER CUSTOM ATLANTICS W/SLOPE BACK TENDERS (Kit Bashed From AF #302)
(all have #400 DALLEE reversing units)
The #305 (msrp $249.50) will have LED head light, green jewels in the
front marker lamps, operating front drop coupler, grab irons on the
engine cab. red jeweled marker posts and an operating directional
reverse light on the tender. The #309 (msrp $325.50) will have grab
irons on the engine cab a simulated coupler pin puller rod on the drop
coupler pilot fitting. Operating directional reverse light, operating
red marker LED posts the tender. Operating green LED lights in the front
marker lamps and a top mounted LED head light. A simular unit may
be seen at our web site at
http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/-HO--DECALS.html
<http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/-HO--DECALS.html> Dave, LBR
Enterprises,llc




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Group: S-Trains Message: 71014 From: Timboy Date: 12/22/2012
Subject: Sibley Display Layout Knock-Off
Hi Folks,

Just a quick whistle-stop here for me. I have the 2nd loop of my layout laid in and two trains can now be run. Next up will be to start the 3rd loop. Here is a link to some pics:

http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/

Happy Holidays, everyone!

-Tim
Group: S-Trains Message: 71015 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/22/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/23/2012, 5:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm
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Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




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Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71016 From: Ben Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: Re: Used SHS flex track for sale
I didn't really hear from anyone on this lot which is strange because a year ago when I offered a similar lot, the track got snatched up very quickly...

Would offering the track for $100 sweeten it for anyone? Do we have any guarantees that MTH is coming out with similar track? As they say- as of right now, they aren't making this stuff anymore.

Merry Christmas!

Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> I have 21 fairly complete pieces of used SHS flex track and six shorter bits. Much of the longer pieces are currently curved, but can be straightened.
>
> New this looks like it would be over $200 on the S-Helper website. How about $150 plus actual shipping? This track was used but not used hard...it has some wire soldered on a few pieces and obviously
> some were cut at the solder joints, with a few rail joiners still soldered on.
>
> Anyone interested in this track? Thanks!
>
> Ben
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71017 From: MikeS Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: Re: Sibley Display Layout Knock-Off
Tim - Thoroughly enjoy your S gauge efforts. Way back a long time ago I started out with S Gauge and I still have a tremendous fondness for it and your workmanship.

Happy Holidays,

Mike Spanier

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Just a quick whistle-stop here for me. I have the 2nd loop of my layout laid in and two trains can now be run. Next up will be to start the 3rd loop. Here is a link to some pics:
>
> http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/
>
> Happy Holidays, everyone!
>
> -Tim
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71018 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/23/2012, 5:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday December 23, 2012
Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm
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Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group

Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats: This event repeats every week.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71019 From: The Upstairs Train Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: Re: Sibley Display Layout Knock-Off
Me too! I have formulated a plan for an extension of my layout, and you really get my blood pumping. Going to start working on it as soon as I get back home after Christmas. And you've inspired me to do the same kind of documentation of the building process; that is really terrific! Thanks for the kick in the ...

Bob Graves
TheGilbertGallery.org

On Dec 23, 2012, at 8:01 AM, "MikeS" <hspanier@...> wrote:

> Tim - Thoroughly enjoy your S gauge efforts. Way back a long time ago I started out with S Gauge and I still have a tremendous fondness for it and your workmanship.
>
> Happy Holidays,
>
> Mike Spanier
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > Just a quick whistle-stop here for me. I have the 2nd loop of my layout laid in and two trains can now be run. Next up will be to start the 3rd loop. Here is a link to some pics:
> >
> > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Happy Holidays, everyone!
> >
> > -Tim
> >
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 71020 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: My Little Christmas Village/Layout
Here's a short video of my 2012 Christmas Village/Layout.
Merry Christmas to all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYfDAFet1aA&feature=youtu.be

Rick Evans
Group: S-Trains Message: 71021 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: Re: My Little Christmas Village/Layout
MORE XMAS LAYOUTS, IT'S THAT TIME OF THE YEAR, THANS RICK
mel perry

On Dec 23, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Rick Evans wrote:

> Here's a short video of my 2012 Christmas Village/Layout.
> Merry Christmas to all!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYfDAFet1aA&feature=youtu.be
>
> Rick Evans
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 71022 From: EDWARD ECKERT Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: Re: My Little Christmas Village/Layout
Merry Christmas to all and thanks Rick for the video.
 
Santa Ed has one more appearance for this season, tonight, 5 to 9.
 
Ed Eckert
moderator
 
Here's a short video of my 2012 Christmas Village/Layout.
Merry Christmas to all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYfDAFet1aA&feature=youtu.be

Rick Evans


From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] My Little Christmas Village/Layout


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Group: S-Trains Message: 71023 From: alizoo@kern.com.au Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: Re: My Little Christmas Village/Layout
Nice and festive! And a Merry Christmas to everybody and those they
hold dear! Alistair 

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MORE XMAS LAYOUTS, IT'S THAT TIME OF THE YEAR, THANS RICK
mel perry

On Dec 23, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Rick Evans wrote:

> Here's a short video of my 2012 Christmas Village/Layout.
> Merry Christmas to all!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYfDAFet1aA&feature=youtu.be [1]
>
> Rick Evans
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71024 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: S-'n-S Trains web site
The new web site for SnS Trains will be up and running in the next couple
of days. (shortly after Christmas). Thanks to all for your patience.

Steve Blackburn
S-'n-S Trains
3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
Boise, Idaho 83704
208-376-1159
_www.snstrains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com/)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71025 From: Jeff Faust Date: 12/23/2012
Subject: Re: Sibley Display Layout Knock-Off
This makes all that time I spent crawling around Frank's basement with a measuring tape worthwhile. Keep up the good work, Tim!

--Jeff


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Just a quick whistle-stop here for me. I have the 2nd loop of my layout laid in and two trains can now be run. Next up will be to start the 3rd loop. Here is a link to some pics:
>
> http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/
>
> Happy Holidays, everyone!
>
> -Tim
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71026 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Re: My Little Christmas Village/Layout
Great job again this year, Rick.  I love it.

A very Merry Christmas and most prosperous New Year to all.  May your trains run smoothly, your whistles blow clearly, and your e-units cycle every time.

Bob Graves
TheGilbertGallery.org




________________________________
From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] My Little Christmas Village/Layout


 
Here's a short video of my 2012 Christmas Village/Layout.
Merry Christmas to all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYfDAFet1aA&feature=youtu.be

Rick Evans



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Group: S-Trains Message: 71027 From: Ben Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: AF Circus stuff for sale
1 (one) reproduction blue wagon
*complete-$15

1 (one) red painted PYRO Army truck to haul wagons
*black wheels- $10

2 (two) ACME/Thomas carousel trucks
*yellow trucks with red carousel bases and green canopies
*three pegged animals each all in good shape
*some warpage on carousel bases and also canopies (one is better than the other). I have found the green Plasticville pool side table umbrella toppers to be a good replacement for the original canopies.
*These are not perfect, but show very well on the circus train- a rare collectible

One is $200/the other is $225.
Group: S-Trains Message: 71028 From: Timboy Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Re: Sibley Display Layout Knock-Off
Thanks everyone!

I still have a wooden Warren Truss bridge from my "old" layout. I decided to work it into my Sibley version. Now the trick is to get a 4% grade up to it and back down!

Here is a link for a pic of it just sitting on my new layout right now:

http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/

OBTW, at the top of that page, you will find a link to a very personal Christmas wish from me to all of you.

-Tim


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Faust" <jfaust42@...> wrote:
>
> This makes all that time I spent crawling around Frank's basement with a measuring tape worthwhile. Keep up the good work, Tim!
>
> --Jeff
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > Just a quick whistle-stop here for me. I have the 2nd loop of my layout laid in and two trains can now be run. Next up will be to start the 3rd loop. Here is a link to some pics:
> >
> > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Happy Holidays, everyone!
> >
> > -Tim
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71029 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Web site up and running
snstrains.com is up and running. Some items still need tweaking but most
information needed is there. Please let us know what you think of it.
Steve

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71030 From: Ben Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Re: AF Circus stuff for sale
As of now- both carousel trucks are spoken for. Other items are still available.

Thanks! Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> 1 (one) reproduction blue wagon
> *complete-$15
>
> 1 (one) red painted PYRO Army truck to haul wagons
> *black wheels- $10
>
> 2 (two) ACME/Thomas carousel trucks
> *yellow trucks with red carousel bases and green canopies
> *three pegged animals each all in good shape
> *some warpage on carousel bases and also canopies (one is better than the other). I have found the green Plasticville pool side table umbrella toppers to be a good replacement for the original canopies.
> *These are not perfect, but show very well on the circus train- a rare collectible
>
> One is $200/the other is $225.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71031 From: Ben Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Re: AF Circus stuff for sale
Rescind- one carousel truck still available. Ben

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote:
>
> As of now- both carousel trucks are spoken for. Other items are still available.
>
> Thanks! Ben
>

> >
> > 2 (two) ACME/Thomas carousel trucks
> > *yellow trucks with red carousel bases and green canopies
> > *three pegged animals each all in good shape
> > *some warpage on carousel bases and also canopies (one is better than the other). I have found the green Plasticville pool side table umbrella toppers to be a good replacement for the original canopies.
> > *These are not perfect, but show very well on the circus train- a rare collectible
> >
> > One is $200/the other is $225.
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71032 From: johntech Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Re: Web site up and running
Steve
I tried to connect and it said the web site has not been configured yet - I'm using IE 8 on XP machine

John Frankforther


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Note from moderator:
It works ok for me..
XP and IE8 too
Group: S-Trains Message: 71033 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Website up and running
I just went to Google, typed in snstrain...and didn't get any farther before it showed me a page of choises of which the third one down was S-n-S Trains. I clicked on the snstrains.com address and it took me right there.

The site opened right up and I looked around. No problem with Windows 7 Internet Explorer working through Crumcast. (For some reason, all their tin cans and strings are working tonight!)
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 71034 From: clipper841@att.net Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Re: Web site up and running
steve:
works okay on an ibook, are the letters case sensitive?, because i
copied and pasted your email address
into he header, no problem
mel perry

On Dec 24, 2012, at 4:30 PM, johntech wrote:

> Steve
> I tried to connect and it said the web site has not been configured
> yet - I'm using IE 8 on XP machine
>
> John Frankforther
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Note from moderator:
> It works ok for me..
> XP and IE8 too
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 71035 From: johntech Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: Web site up and running
My IE 8 must be messed up as I tried connecting with Google Chrome and it connected right away!!

Looks good so far Steve!!

John Frankforther


----- Original Message -----
From: johntech
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Web site up and running



Steve
I tried to connect and it said the web site has not been configured yet - I'm using IE 8 on XP machine

John Frankforther

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Note from moderator:
It works ok for me..
XP and IE8 too




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Group: S-Trains Message: 71036 From: vito4cal Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Annoucement: S West 8
2013 O Scale West & S West 8

Largest S scale show west of the Mississippi!

There will be S standard and narrow gauge dealers, clinics, videos & contest.

The BASS club will have their modular layout up and running – bring your equipment to run on the layout. Equipment must meet NASG standards.

Convention info:

January 24-26, 2013
Hyatt Regency Santa Clara
5101 Great America Parkway
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Reservations: 800-233-1234
Hotel Switchboard: 408-200-1234
Hotel Fax: 408-980-3939

Admission: $25 for registrations postmarked by December 31, 2012; $30 at the door; registration includes spouse and all children under age of 18

Saturday only - $20

Table Rentals: $35/table if registration is postmarked by December 31, 2012; $40 after December 31, 2012, electrical hook up is free.

Additional information & registration forms available at: http://www.oscalewest.com

Additional questions, please contact John Gibson offline.

Look forward to seeing you at the show.

S West Convention Committee,

John Gibson
Lee Johnson
Bill McClung
Howard Sheffield
Group: S-Trains Message: 71037 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: Web site up and running
snstrains.com works fine on my mac laptop


Mark Anderman

----- Original Message -----
From: clipper841@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 8:34:21 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Web site up and running






steve:
works okay on an ibook, are the letters case sensitive?, because i
copied and pasted your email address
into he header, no problem
mel perry

On Dec 24, 2012, at 4:30 PM, johntech wrote:

> Steve
> I tried to connect and it said the web site has not been configured
> yet - I'm using IE 8 on XP machine
>
> John Frankforther
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Note from moderator:
> It works ok for me..
> XP and IE8 too
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71038 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains web site
The original email has sns-trains à http://www.sns-trains.com/)



Remove the dash à http://www.snstrains.com/ and it works fine for me…..



Ben Colley

Wabash Country,

Central Missouri…



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of SnSTrains@...
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 6:32 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; s-scale@yahoogroups.com; boss31@...
Subject: [S-Trains] S-'n-S Trains web site





The new web site for SnS Trains will be up and running in the next couple
of days. (shortly after Christmas). Thanks to all for your patience.

Steve Blackburn
S-'n-S Trains
3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
Boise, Idaho 83704
208-376-1159
_www.snstrains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com/)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71039 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Christmas greetings
Merry Christmas and good health to you all

Steve Blackburn
S-'n-S Trains
3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
Boise, Idaho 83704
208-376-1159
_www.snstrains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com/)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71040 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Flyer layout - February 2013 issue Classic Toy Trains Magazine
Merry Christmas,

The Feb CTT has a 5 page article on Dave Tori's very nice Flyer layout.

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 71041 From: Brady Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: Web site up and running
Works fine on my Kindle Fire. Looks good.

Brady

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote:
>
> snstrains.com is up and running. Some items still need tweaking but most
> information needed is there. Please let us know what you think of it.
> Steve
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71042 From: Brady Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: Sibley Display Layout Knock-Off
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote:

> I still have a wooden Warren Truss bridge from my "old" layout. I decided to work it into my Sibley version. Now the trick is to get a 4% grade up to it and back down!

Sounds like a good excuse for helpers..


> OBTW, at the top of that page, you will find a link to a very personal Christmas wish from me to all of you.

Very nice. Merry Christmas!

Brady
Group: S-Trains Message: 71043 From: MikeS Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Gargraves Connecting Pins? S Gauge Track Pins
Bought a bunch of Super O track and someone through in about 100 Gargraves connecting pins. I think that is what they are. Some gullible folks buy them to fit into Super O which they really don't. If you want them they are free. Please contact me off line: hspanier@...

Merry Christmas

Spanier
Group: S-Trains Message: 71044 From: Alan Lambert Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains web site
From: Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth, Texas
Ben,

Worked for me without the dash.
� Alan

From: Ben E. Colley <bencolley@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] S-'n-S Trains web site

 
The original email has sns-trains à http://www.sns-trains.com/)

Remove the dash à http://www.snstrains.com/ and it works fine for me…..

Ben Colley

Wabash Country,

Central Missouri…

From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of mailto:SnSTrains%40aol.com
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 6:32 PM
To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com; mailto:s-scale%40yahoogroups.com; mailto:boss31%40aol.com
Subject: [S-Trains] S-'n-S Trains web site

The new web site for SnS Trains will be up and running in the next couple
of days. (shortly after Christmas). Thanks to all for your patience.

Steve Blackburn
S-'n-S Trains
3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
Boise, Idaho 83704
208-376-1159
_www.snstrains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com/)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71045 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Merry Christmas y'all
Despite the best efforts of the Mayans, Nostradmus, and the pack of morons in DC, we're still here to celebrate another Christmas and winter celebrations of those of other faiths. Whenever things get too tough on the TV News, we ALL have something in common, we can go play with our trains!

And so, to ALL of the folks here on S Trains...MERRY CHRISTMAS, y'all!
...Stumpy Stone from the Appalachia part of Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 71046 From: Herbert Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: Christmas greetings
Steve,
See Ben's post below.Take out the dash and it connects.\
Herb Wasserman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, SnSTrains@... wrote:
>
> Merry Christmas and good health to you all
>
> Steve Blackburn
> S-'n-S Trains
> 3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
> Boise, Idaho 83704
> 208-376-1159
> _www.snstrains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com/)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71047 From: Ray Puls Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: new website
I tried the link provided, did not work for me either.
Ray

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71048 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: Christmas greetings
Don't know how the dash got in there.
Steve


In a message dated 12/25/2012 10:51:13 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
hwass@... writes:




Steve,
See Ben's post below.Take out the dash and it connects.\
Herb Wasserman

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
SnSTrains@... wrote:
>
> Merry Christmas and good health to you all
>
> Steve Blackburn
> S-'n-S Trains
> 3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
> Boise, Idaho 83704
> 208-376-1159
> _www.snstrains.com_ (_http://www.sns-trains.com/_
(http://www.sns-trains.com/) )
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 71049 From: John Metzger Date: 12/25/2012
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas y'all
Merry Christmas Mr Stumpy. From John Metzger (johnm63379)



________________________________
From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 7:59 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Merry Christmas y'all


 

Despite the best efforts of the Mayans, Nostradmus, and the pack of morons in DC, we're still here to celebrate another Christmas and winter celebrations of those of other faiths. Whenever things get too tough on the TV News, we ALL have something in common, we can go play with our trains!

And so, to ALL of the folks here on S Trains...MERRY CHRISTMAS, y'all!
...Stumpy Stone from the Appalachia part of Ahia




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Group: S-Trains Message: 71050 From: Tom David Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gargraves Connecting Pins? S Gauge Track Pins
HI would love to get the pins pile of s guage flex track without pins. Let me know about shippoing cost

Tom David PO Box 321 Seneca IL 61360


hspanier@...




Tom David

For a great Florida Vacation click here
A great 3 bedroom vacation condo near Disney World Fl.



-----Original Message-----
From: MikeS <hspanier@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:50 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Gargraves Connecting Pins? S Gauge Track Pins




Bought a bunch of Super O track and someone through in about 100 Gargraves connecting pins. I think that is what they are. Some gullible folks buy them to fit into Super O which they really don't. If you want them they are free. Please contact me off line: hspanier@...

Merry Christmas

Spanier







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Group: S-Trains Message: 71051 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: S Trains for Sale (please do not reply to yahoo group!)
I have the following items for sale:

American Flyer by Lionel-

#6-49028 Christmas Candy Cane Dump Car $45 plus actual
shipping
Includes Operating Contactor and Dumping bin, and five simulated
candy canes
New in box, never used.

#6-49015 West Side "Moe and Joe"
Operating Lumber Car
$49.50 plus actual shipping
Includes Track Trip, Five Real Wood Planks, and metal unloading
mechanism.
New in box, never used.

#6-49908 Pennsylvania HW Observation
"Skyline View"
$48.00 plus actual shipping
Lightly used in LN condition in original box with blue ribbons


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SHS Freight Cars -

SHS #00055 Atlantic Coast Line 140441 Stock Car $19.00
- Car has 1 broken stirrup and a minor break on underbody parts
A good car for the operator


Frisco Stock Car 47998 -
$25.00
Complete in a box but it is not the original box for this car

SHS #00124 Undecorated Rebuilt 40 Foot Boxcars
$29.00
Two cars are available.


SHS #00374 Southern #1 F3A and F3B $375.00
Plus Shipping and insurance
- New with Locomatic Sound and Controller, never used.


PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO YAHOO GROUP!

Instead, reply to _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...)

- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN





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Group: S-Trains Message: 71052 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: Web site colors
In reply to the choice of background colors.....It's Boise State
University's orange & blue. Nothing whatsoever to do with Lionel.

Steve Blackburn
S-'n-S Trains
3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
Boise, Idaho 83704
208-376-1159
_www.snstrains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com/)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71053 From: Herbert Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: Re: Web site colors
Steve,
you're stll leaving in the dash on your hyperlink
Herb W

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, SnSTrains@... wrote:
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> In reply to the choice of background colors.....It's Boise State
> University's orange & blue. Nothing whatsoever to do with Lionel.
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> Steve Blackburn
> S-'n-S Trains
> 3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
> Boise, Idaho 83704
> 208-376-1159
> _www.snstrains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com/)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71054 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: Web site update
All functions of the new web site are up and running. Please check them
out. More and more stuff will be added as we go.
Your input is appreciated.

Steve Blackburn
S-'n-S Trains
3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
Boise, Idaho 83704
208-376-1159
_www.snstrains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com/)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71055 From: johntech Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: Re: Web site colors
Steve Blackburn
S-'n-S Trains
3239 N. Pepperwood Dr.
Boise, Idaho 83704
208-376-1159
_www.snstrains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com/)

Steve you have to leave the dash ^^
out of the web address for it to work!!

John

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71056 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: try the link now
Somebody please see if the link to the web site is proper now. It works for
me, but...............................


Steve Blackburn
SnS Trains
Boise, Idaho
208-376-1159
_www.snstrains.com_ (http://www.snstrains.com/)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71057 From: Al Baker Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: Re: try the link now
Yes - this one works!

Al Baker



From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of SnSTrains@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 4:55 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] try the link now





Somebody please see if the link to the web site is proper now. It works for
me, but...............................


Steve Blackburn
SnS Trains
Boise, Idaho
208-376-1159
_www.snstrains.com_ (http://www.snstrains.com/)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71058 From: Alan Lambert Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: Re: try the link now
From: Alan Lambert
�Fort Worth, Texas
Steve,
It works for me.
Alan Lambert

From: "SnSTrains@..." <SnSTrains@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] try the link now

 
Somebody please see if the link to the web site is proper now. It works for
me, but...............................


Steve Blackburn
SnS Trains
Boise, Idaho
208-376-1159
_www.snstrains.com_ (http://www.snstrains.com/)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71059 From: Robert A Persing Date: 12/26/2012
Subject: Re: try the link now
Worked for me. Bob Persing

From: SnSTrains@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 7:55 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] try the link now



Somebody please see if the link to the web site is proper now. It works for
me, but...............................


Steve Blackburn
SnS Trains
Boise, Idaho
208-376-1159
_www.snstrains.com_ (http://www.snstrains.com/)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71060 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: Re: try the link now
Looks good. I especially like the Gator colors!

Happy New Year,
Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

Somebody please see if the link to the web site is proper now. It works
for me, but............................... Steve Blackburn SnS Trains
Boise, Idaho 208-376-1159
Group: S-Trains Message: 71061 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: Building modules for s-gauge layout.
Looking to start building modules to do a home and show layout with for myself but hopefully will be able to get others interested in joining me as they see the layout at the shows. I want to be able to use both scale and non scale trains and a mix of dcc /dc/whatever MTH brings out along with the legacy systems.
I WANT IT ALL lol!
SO any ideas would be greatly appreciated. I want to start with four corner modules and several straight 4 foot mods. I looked at the s-mods but not much help really. Would like ideas on best track to use as far as availability, and price. Gargraves is out as a choice as I know you can't run scale wheels with it. Any body willing to talk with me please contact me off list at chrisandmhelburger@....
need ideals or plans for corner mods also. Thanks, Chris Burger
Group: S-Trains Message: 71062 From: cbtrainnut3 Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: S306 screw
Anyone have a screw for the Franklin Cow catcher they might sell me? S306 ir the number. WOuld go to the hardware store but my understanding is u can;t get it there. COntact me off list at chrisandmhelburger@... Thanks, Chris Burger
Group: S-Trains Message: 71063 From: Monte Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: NASG Model Contest Rules Change
The NASG Contest Committee has made the following changes to the contest rules. These rule are now in effect and will be used for the model contest at the 2013 NASG National Convention, Steamtown, Scranton, PA , August 7th-10th.

Section VII

E. American Flyer Imagineering: This tests the modeler's imagination and creativity. The model must be in the spirit of something that the A.C Gilbert Company might have built in the past or built if the company had continued in existence up to the present. Models must be in the form of a nearly complete prototype or a production model and not a crude mock-up. Use of original or reproduction Flyer parts is encouraged as the company always tried to incorporate existing parts into new production. Use of new technology is permitted as the company did embrace advances in technology. Models may include accessories, rolling stock and engines. Modelers should provide information as to how their model is a logical addition to the American Flyer product line. Entries in this event will be an open class. Models based on modifications to non American Flyer products are to be entered in
the High rail category.


This change formalizes rules for this new category that has been offered as optional in the past. It provides advice as to what will be considered in judging this category.



Proposed change to the scale contest entry form:


Change the maximum points awarded for Conformance from 10 points to twenty points and the maximum for Scratch Built Materials from 25 points to 15 points.


The reasoning behind this change is that scale modelers are doing increasing research in determining how the model needs to look to be true to the prototype, and this attention to detail should carry a higher reward. So many new detail parts are available for use in models; the question is to what extent should scratch building be rewarded just for the sake of scratch building instead of using a prototypical commercial part. This is similar to a change made by the NMRA

The complete rules document is on the NASG web site under this years convention.

Monte Heppe
Chairman, NASG Contest Committee
Group: S-Trains Message: 71064 From: MikeS Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: Re: Gargraves Connecting Pins? S Gauge Track Pins
The pins were sent to the first person to reply. He has been notified by email.

Mike Spanier

PS Looking to purchase Lionel Super O Track.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom David <tomminil@...> wrote:
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> HI would love to get the pins pile of s guage flex track without pins. Let me know about shippoing cost
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> Tom David PO Box 321 Seneca IL 61360
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> hspanier@...
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> Tom David
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> For a great Florida Vacation click here
> A great 3 bedroom vacation condo near Disney World Fl.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: MikeS <hspanier@...>
> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:50 am
> Subject: [S-Trains] Gargraves Connecting Pins? S Gauge Track Pins
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> Bought a bunch of Super O track and someone through in about 100 Gargraves connecting pins. I think that is what they are. Some gullible folks buy them to fit into Super O which they really don't. If you want them they are free. Please contact me off line: hspanier@...
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> Merry Christmas
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71065 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: Re: try the link now
Boise State colors


In a message dated 12/27/2012 5:50:54 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
wpporter@... writes:




Looks good. I especially like the Gator colors!

Happy New Year,
Bill

Bill Porter
South Florida
wpporter.duckburg.us

Somebody please see if the link to the web site is proper now. It works
for me, but............................... Steve Blackburn SnS Trains
Boise, Idaho 208-376-1159






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Group: S-Trains Message: 71066 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: Re: NASG Model Contest Rules Change
I stopped doing model contests many years ago while in HO. This was mostly because rivet counters who couldn't carve a toothpick out of a wood splinter judging the work of real modelers. But THIS looks like a good chance to show off some serious kit bashing!

Skill, creativity, and common sense, rather than the drudgery of slavishly following the real world prototype. What would Gilbert have made, given the chance? Let's show 'em!

Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 71067 From: Stanley Sobieski Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: Re: S306 screw
Hi
S-306 are piolt screws also used on 23568 Billboard
ToM secia has them for 6 /$1.50 triple S supplies seccia@...
----- Original Message ----- you can e mail him also Doug peck may have them good luck Stan
From: cbtrainnut3
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] S306 screw



Anyone have a screw for the Franklin Cow catcher they might sell me? S306 ir the number. WOuld go to the hardware store but my understanding is u can;t get it there. COntact me off list at chrisandmhelburger@... Thanks, Chris Burger





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Group: S-Trains Message: 71068 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/27/2012
Subject: M.T. H. newsletter....
Did ya sign-up for your's yet? :^)

http://www.mthtrains.com/news/499

MTH Enters S Scale In 2013

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71069 From: Herbert Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
I signed up as soon as t was announced, but have received nothing so far.
Herb Wasserman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:
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> Did ya sign-up for your's yet? :^)
>
> http://www.mthtrains.com/news/499
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> MTH Enters S Scale In 2013
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71070 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
Hi all:
I did sign up (about two months ago), but haven't received any info as yet.
Has anyone???
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:

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> Did ya sign-up for your's yet? :^)
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> http://www.mthtrains.com/news/499
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> MTH Enters S Scale In 2013
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71071 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
I just signed up yesterday
Neil in Oregon




















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Group: S-Trains Message: 71072 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
Me too, and No!
Steve


In a message dated 12/28/2012 9:14:39 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
rvelapoldi@... writes:




Hi all:
I did sign up (about two months ago), but haven't received any info as yet.
Has anyone???
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

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(mailto:bassflyer@...) > wrote:

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> Did ya sign-up for your's yet? :^)
>
> _http://www.mthtrains.com/news/499_ (http://www.mthtrains.com/news/499)
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> MTH Enters S Scale In 2013
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71073 From: Thorin Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: NASG Model Contest Rules Change
In 1997 I entered one of my steeplecabs into the NMRA national contest in Madison. My model started as a Hoquat GE 44 tonner shell with cab walls, hoods, and deck. (Photos of Dick Karnes are around.) It is interesting watching THEIR rules applied to MY model as I build for me; not for the contests. (I will admit the DATE of the contest does influence when things are completed.) I won third place. Second place was taken my a model that was definitely better than mine.

First place was taken by a mining locomotive in O Scale. He had modeled the batteries, cables, everything. But the model did not roll. The wheels were glued on. I felt it belonged in the 'buildings' category. Yet it was more prototypical than mine which was (and still is) a working locomotive so it got more points.

A couple of years ago I carved up a pair of AF 4-8-4 tender shells to make a UP water tender. THAT took some prizes and always in the American Flyer Imagineering department. (Someday I need to repaint my repainted 336 4-8-4 and let it pull its water tender.) Doug Peck (as always) really helped by providing the parts I needed rather than what I ordered as I tell him how I will re-apply the parts.

This past year I finished an Alco Electric from a shell Tom Hodges sold in about 1992. My brother-in-law milled an American Models FM mechanism's frame until it fit. I used as many repo parts as I could as, again, this was What A.C. Might Have Made.

I am happy to see the rule changes. This more closely reflects the work I have done on the water tender and the Alco Electric.

Thorin

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> I stopped doing model contests many years ago while in HO. This was mostly because rivet counters who couldn't carve a toothpick out of a wood splinter judging the work of real modelers. But THIS looks like a good chance to show off some serious kit bashing!
>
> Skill, creativity, and common sense, rather than the drudgery of slavishly following the real world prototype. What would Gilbert have made, given the chance? Let's show 'em!
>
> Stumpy in Ahia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71074 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
I signed up a few minutes ago and already have the confirmation email. Friday 12-28-12 2:36PM IME> Bob in Kalispell

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: hwass@...
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:27:12 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M.T. H. newsletter....


























I signed up as soon as t was announced, but have received nothing so far.

Herb Wasserman



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> Did ya sign-up for your's yet? :^)

>

> http://www.mthtrains.com/news/499

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> MTH Enters S Scale In 2013

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71075 From: Thorin Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Extra hole in 343 0-8-0 right running board near front
Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) Ladies:

I am rebuilding a 343 I received when I was 12. It is receiving an S-n-S motor, DCC with sound, cab lights, firebox lights, Rule 17 headlight (dim in reverse), and normal backup light; all LED.

I milled the shell to add front windows to the cab. I drilled out the flag posts and made tiny American flags.

She just came out of the paint shop with a Rust-olaem Semi-gloss top coat making her shiny black. Port line dry transfers for the tender. Commercial decals for the '343' on the boiler front and tender rear. Homemade decals for the cab numbers: I photocopied the cab before painting and then made them better. '0-8(28x43)-0' for the lower right corner of the cab and 'DCC' for the lower left. Doug Peck provided shiny handrails and many other parts. (Did the 0-8-0 ever have shiny handrails? Or did Doug bend me a special set?)

When I finished adding the new handrails I noticed an extra hole in the right side running board near the pilot. Does anyone know what this is for?

Thank you,
Thorin
Group: S-Trains Message: 71076 From: Brady Burdge Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Big Cityscapes
The Science Building looks familiar..

http://www.bigcityscapes.com/

Brady

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Group: S-Trains Message: 71077 From: Thorin Marty Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: 343 0-8-0 with double holes in the right front running board
Dear Steve:

Thanks for the info about the handrails. The originals for my 343 were
manufactured 'tarnished'. Doug had to adjust my order because I specified
shiny. The new, nickel plated handrails look great on the fresh, shiny black
paint.

Yes, my model has 2 holes in the right front running board. One has a match on
the left running board. These are for the handrails to the pilot. But does
anyone know why there are two holes instead of one? A.C. would not have drilled
an extra hole without a reason.

Unless mine has a mistake. A mistake like this would have passed quality
control and the model would packed in a set and sold.

Anyone else have multiple holes? Anyone know why there are multiple holes?
Thorin




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From: "Boss31@..." <Boss31@...>
To: lagthor@...
Sent: Fri, December 28, 2012 5:06:32 PM
Subject: 0-8-0

Do you mean there are 2 holes in the right front running board?

Nickle plated hand rails were normal for these.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71078 From: Bud Rindfleisch Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: wheel puller question
Has anyone heard of a battery terminal clamp puller modified and used for a drive wheel puller on AF steam drivers? I thought I had read somewhere that this was done but have no clue where I read it or even if I did for certain! I have a buddy who is resurrecting some old Flyer he picked up and wants to remove some of the steamer drivers for whatever reason, not sure.
Bud Rindfleisch
Group: S-Trains Message: 71079 From: Herbert Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: Big Cityscapes
Definitely inspired by the GHOS. I've seen the website posted before.
It will be interesting to see how the building looks after the renovations are completed by the new owners.
Herb Wasserman

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> The Science Building looks familiar..
>
> http://www.bigcityscapes.com/
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> Brady
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71080 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/28/2012
Subject: Re: wheel puller question
I have used a plumbing tool called a facet handle puller. you can get at
home depot & Lowe's ETC. about $12.00 MIKE


In a message dated 12/28/2012 8:02:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
BlackDiamondRR@... writes:




Has anyone heard of a battery terminal clamp puller modified and used for a
drive wheel puller on AF steam drivers? I thought I had read somewhere
that this was done but have no clue where I read it or even if I did for
certain! I have a buddy who is resurrecting some old Flyer he picked up and
wants to remove some of the steamer drivers for whatever reason, not sure.
Bud Rindfleisch






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Group: S-Trains Message: 71081 From: Ben E. Colley Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: wheel puller question
Thomas Barker's book on Gilbert AF Repair has instructions on doing just
that in the first chapter under Other Homemade Tools..



Ben Colley





From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bud Rindfleisch
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:57 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] wheel puller question





Has anyone heard of a battery terminal clamp puller modified and used for a
drive wheel puller on AF steam drivers? I thought I had read somewhere that
this was done but have no clue where I read it or even if I did for certain!
I have a buddy who is resurrecting some old Flyer he picked up and wants to
remove some of the steamer drivers for whatever reason, not sure.
Bud Rindfleisch





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Group: S-Trains Message: 71082 From: Lon Walker Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: wheel puller question
   Hi,  I think I saw that in Thomas B. Barker's Gilbert American Flyer S Operating and Repair  Guide.  I have seen it other places too but don't remember where now. I think Thomas is a member of the group.  Lon Walker

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71083 From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: Extra hole in 343 0-8-0 right running board near front
Hand Railings

--- On Fri, 12/28/12, Thorin <lagthor@...> wrote:


From: Thorin <lagthor@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Extra hole in 343 0-8-0 right running board near front
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 28, 2012, 4:39 PM



 



Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) Ladies:

I am rebuilding a 343 I received when I was 12. It is receiving an S-n-S motor, DCC with sound, cab lights, firebox lights, Rule 17 headlight (dim in reverse), and normal backup light; all LED.

I milled the shell to add front windows to the cab. I drilled out the flag posts and made tiny American flags.

She just came out of the paint shop with a Rust-olaem Semi-gloss top coat making her shiny black. Port line dry transfers for the tender. Commercial decals for the '343' on the boiler front and tender rear. Homemade decals for the cab numbers: I photocopied the cab before painting and then made them better. '0-8(28x43)-0' for the lower right corner of the cab and 'DCC' for the lower left. Doug Peck provided shiny handrails and many other parts. (Did the 0-8-0 ever have shiny handrails? Or did Doug bend me a special set?)

When I finished adding the new handrails I noticed an extra hole in the right side running board near the pilot. Does anyone know what this is for?

Thank you,
Thorin








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Group: S-Trains Message: 71084 From: Larry Asp Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: wheel puller question
Thomas Barker's book "Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Operating and Repair Guide", 2nd and 3rd Editions show a modified battery cable puller and gives instruction on how to make one. It works, but can be hard to use in tight spots.

On 2012-12-28, at 7:56 PM, Bud Rindfleisch wrote:

> Has anyone heard of a battery terminal clamp puller modified and used for a drive wheel puller on AF steam drivers? I thought I had read somewhere that this was done but have no clue where I read it or even if I did for certain! I have a buddy who is resurrecting some old Flyer he picked up and wants to remove some of the steamer drivers for whatever reason, not sure.
> Bud Rindfleisch
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> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71085 From: Timboy Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Hi all,

I hope no one objects to a post from me every now and again to update my Sibley knockoff build. I think I have a unique variation on the elevated inside loop that I would like to share. Hint: not a scenic ramp as in the original. To see pics and details, you are invited to stop by at:

http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Tim
Group: S-Trains Message: 71086 From: Art Cooper Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: 343 0-8-0 with double holes in the right front running board
Hi There

There is a 343 for sale on Ebay, item #170965141761. The seller has included some nice photos that may provide assistance to you.

Try: http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-343-Locomotive-Engine-Tender-S-Gauge-Switcher-/170965141761?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item27ce510901

Check it out.

Best Regards,

Art
Richardson, TX

From: Thorin Marty
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 9:20 PM
To: Boss31@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 343 0-8-0 with double holes in the right front running board


Dear Steve:

Thanks for the info about the handrails. The originals for my 343 were
manufactured 'tarnished'. Doug had to adjust my order because I specified
shiny. The new, nickel plated handrails look great on the fresh, shiny black
paint.

Yes, my model has 2 holes in the right front running board. One has a match on
the left running board. These are for the handrails to the pilot. But does
anyone know why there are two holes instead of one? A.C. would not have drilled
an extra hole without a reason.

Unless mine has a mistake. A mistake like this would have passed quality
control and the model would packed in a set and sold.

Anyone else have multiple holes? Anyone know why there are multiple holes?
Thorin

________________________________
From: "mailto:Boss31%40aol.com" <mailto:Boss31%40aol.com>
To: mailto:lagthor%40sbcglobal.net
Sent: Fri, December 28, 2012 5:06:32 PM
Subject: 0-8-0

Do you mean there are 2 holes in the right front running board?

Nickle plated hand rails were normal for these.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71087 From: gerald r dobbs Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Car kits for sale
I have 9 new in the box Kinsman wood kits from the "50" ?? Unlettered
sides, all kits have Northeastern Scale trucks, 5 box cars, 2 twin
hoppers, 1 covered hopper and 1 caboose, and 2 extra sets of wheels.
$200.00 + shipping ,
____________________________________________________________
Woman is 53 But Looks 25
Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors...
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50df08c954a6f8c942c3st03duc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71088 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Decals
Does anyone have the correct URL for Dave at LBREnterprises for decals?

My saved link sends me to a automotive dismanteler.

thanks

Carey
--
Carey Probst

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 71089 From: kerhart@frontier.com Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: DCC w/Sound for AF 343
Thorin,

What sound decoder are you using in your 343 w/can motor? Will the decoder and speaker be mounted in the tender? Thank you.

Keith Erhart

----- Original Message -----

>--- On Fri, 12/28/12, Thorin < lagthor@... > wrote:

>From: Thorin < lagthor@... >
>Subject: [S-Trains] Extra hole in 343 0-8-0 right running board near front
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Friday, December 28, 2012, 4:39 PM

>Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) Ladies:

>I am rebuilding a 343 I received when I was 12. It is receiving an S-n-S motor, DCC with sound, cab lights, firebox lights, Rule 17 headlight (dim in reverse), and normal backup >light; all LED.
Group: S-Trains Message: 71090 From: Alan Smith Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: Decals
Carey,

OR U can get him @ reujan2000@...

Alan


On 12/29/12 11:48 AM, "Carey Probst" <s-scale@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone have the correct URL for Dave at LBREnterprises for decals?
>
> My saved link sends me to a automotive dismanteler.
>
> thanks
>
> Carey



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Group: S-Trains Message: 71091 From: David Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: Decals
Carey,
Our Email address is dave@...
Dave



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have the correct URL for Dave at LBREnterprises for decals?
>
> My saved link sends me to a automotive dismanteler.
>
> thanks
>
> Carey
> --
> Carey Probst
>
> Carey Probst
>
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
>
> S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
>
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
>
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71092 From: Thorin Marty Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: NASG Model Contest Rules Change
Dear Monte:

I strongly agree. My objectives in this category have always to use as many
Gilbert parts as possible. (I prefer reproductions over using valuable,
historic, antiques on brand-new models. Rebuilds are another thing.) This
model should not be covered with my scratch built parts. For example, I could
have made my own steps; scale, accurate. But the AF repros are correct for the
model. So she got four AF repos with the correct rivets. She looks like
something that could have come off the factory floor.

Thorin Marty
Wauwatosa, WI




________________________________
From: Lamont Heppe <monteheppe@...>
To: lagthor@...
Sent: Sat, December 29, 2012 8:27:46 AM
Subject: Re: NASG Model Contest Rules Change

I'm glad to her that you approved of our rules change. We felt that it was
important to develop judging criteria for the Flyer contest that fit with the
spirit of the concept. Although I won the contest at Lowell, I was severely
penalized for the use of Gilbert parts instead of scratch building them.
Hopefully the change will encourage more entries in the category.

Monte Heppe


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Group: S-Trains Message: 71093 From: Steven Allen Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: Decals
Tryn this link - http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/

Steven Allen
Springfield, MA

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have the correct URL for Dave at LBREnterprises for decals?
>
> My saved link sends me to a automotive dismanteler.
>
> thanks
>
> Carey
> --
> Carey Probst
>
> Carey Probst
>
> Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
>
> S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
>
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
>
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71094 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Tim,

I like it. :-) It may even be a more realistic way of getting over
the other track. There is nothing particularly accurate about a
sceniced ramp with sharp walls on both sides. I am pretty sure you
will find that your trestles will meet the table well into the curve.
If you put a tunnel at the far end as on the original layout, that will
mean a tunnel portal at ahigher elevation than the other tracks, as on
the Sibley layout. That is one of the reasons I like the slightly
larger version of this track plan in the FAO Schwarz 1949 layout, which
has extra length that allows all tunnel exits to be at table level.
Operationally the two layouts are about the same.

Dale

On 12/29/2012 8:05 AM, Timboy wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I hope no one objects to a post from me every now and again to update
> my Sibley knockoff build. I think I have a unique variation on the
> elevated inside loop that I would like to share. Hint: not a scenic
> ramp as in the original. To see pics and details, you are invited to
> stop by at:
>
> http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 71095 From: Michael Rector Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
I signed up and rec'd a confirmation the same day.

Mike R in Ohio




________________________________
From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] M.T. H. newsletter....


 
Me too, and No!
Steve


In a message dated 12/28/2012 9:14:39 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
rvelapoldi@... writes:

Hi all:
I did sign up (about two months ago), but haven't received any info as yet.
Has anyone???
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Rick Evans <_bassflyer@..._
(mailto:bassflyer@...) > wrote:

> **
>
>
> Did ya sign-up for your's yet? :^)
>
> _http://www.mthtrains.com/news/499_ (http://www.mthtrains.com/news/499)
>
> MTH Enters S Scale In 2013
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71096 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: DCC w/Sound for AF 343
I do not recall having seen any AF steamers operate with DCC sound? Does
anyone have a link to a utube video.

I am curious about the coordination of sound coming from the choo-choo
mechanism and the speaker with DCC sounds.

- Earl Henry, Nashville



In a message dated 12/29/2012 11:51:15 A.M. Central Standard Time,
kerhart@... writes:




Thorin,

What sound decoder are you using in your 343 w/can motor? Will the decoder
and speaker be mounted in the tender? Thank you.

Keith Erhart

----- Original Message -----

>--- On Fri, 12/28/12, Thorin < _lagthor@..._
(mailto:lagthor@...) > wrote:

>From: Thorin < _lagthor@..._ (mailto:lagthor@...) >
>Subject: [S-Trains] Extra hole in 343 0-8-0 right running board near
front
>To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)
>Date: Friday, December 28, 2012, 4:39 PM

>Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) Ladies:

>I am rebuilding a 343 I received when I was 12. It is receiving an S-n-S
motor, DCC with sound, cab lights, firebox lights, Rule 17 headlight (dim
in reverse), and normal backup >light; all LED.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 71097 From: tbennerohio Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Pickup slider boxes
Does anyone have a technique for tightening pickup slider boxes on tender trucks? I have a K335 with one box a little loose and the other getting very loose. The one box has gotten so loose that on straight track, the slider gets inside the rail. Then it catches rail joints causing the truck to jump the track. The more it catches the looser the box gets. The boxes are mounted to the truck side frames with tabs but I can't see a way to tighten them.

The only two solutions I can come up with involve JB Weld or removing the sliders altogether. Anyone have a better idea?

Thanks

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 71098 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
TIM......
What you are doing here is not new....its done in real life...... In South Charleston, wv crossing the river to the West side of Charleston, wv you will find this arrangement..... Going up and over the river.....Although it it no longer used it is still there...... Try Google Earth and you will find pics.... Will try to post one soon..... Bob Conner

--- On Sat, 12/29/12, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> wrote:


From: Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Unique Variation On The Sibley
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 29, 2012, 2:21 PM



 



Tim,

I like it. :-) It may even be a more realistic way of getting over
the other track. There is nothing particularly accurate about a
sceniced ramp with sharp walls on both sides. I am pretty sure you
will find that your trestles will meet the table well into the curve.
If you put a tunnel at the far end as on the original layout, that will
mean a tunnel portal at ahigher elevation than the other tracks, as on
the Sibley layout. That is one of the reasons I like the slightly
larger version of this track plan in the FAO Schwarz 1949 layout, which
has extra length that allows all tunnel exits to be at table level.
Operationally the two layouts are about the same.

Dale

On 12/29/2012 8:05 AM, Timboy wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I hope no one objects to a post from me every now and again to update
> my Sibley knockoff build. I think I have a unique variation on the
> elevated inside loop that I would like to share. Hint: not a scenic
> ramp as in the original. To see pics and details, you are invited to
> stop by at:
>
> http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71099 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: Pickup slider boxes
Tim,

Carefully applied super glue usually works for me. You have to be
careful or else you glue the slider in place as well as the box!!

Regards,
Daryl


On 12/29/2012 5:18 PM, tbennerohio wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a technique for tightening pickup slider boxes on
> tender trucks? I have a K335 with one box a little loose and the other
> getting very loose. The one box has gotten so loose that on straight
> track, the slider gets inside the rail. Then it catches rail joints
> causing the truck to jump the track. The more it catches the looser
> the box gets. The boxes are mounted to the truck side frames with tabs
> but I can't see a way to tighten them.
>
> The only two solutions I can come up with involve JB Weld or removing
> the sliders altogether. Anyone have a better idea?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 71100 From: Paul Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: Pickup slider boxes
Tim,
I don't have one right in front of me at the moment, but how much room
do you need to take up?
enough to glue thin brass shim stock as a half sleeve? one on a side and
one on an end?
I forget how the spring is held in, but how about carving (routing?) or
even casting a shallow well
with old lead wheel weights (maybe JB Weld, to conform to the bottom of
the slider, then trimming
a piece of harder wood to gently tap into the slider itself and
stretching it to better fit?
never tried either, just thoughts off the top of my head. paul in dayton

On 12/29/2012 5:18 PM, tbennerohio wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a technique for tightening pickup slider boxes on
> tender trucks? I have a K335 with one box a little loose and the other
> getting very loose. The one box has gotten so loose that on straight
> track, the slider gets inside the rail. Then it catches rail joints
> causing the truck to jump the track. The more it catches the looser
> the box gets. The boxes are mounted to the truck side frames with tabs
> but I can't see a way to tighten them.
>
> The only two solutions I can come up with involve JB Weld or removing
> the sliders altogether. Anyone have a better idea?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 71101 From: Timboy Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Bob,

I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to. I see a curved railroad trestle with a curved deck bridge or three. A while ago someone posted that curved deck bridges were nearly impossible to maintain for very long because after a while the lateral forces would rip them apart. Maybe that is why that section is not being used any longer? It's not safe for heavy freight? Google Maps isn't stable enough on my computer for me to see much detail. I caught a fleeting glimpse of some steel beams underneath. The beams I am using are wooden. Why would RR engineers go to all the trouble of making curved wooden beams when they can just slice the radius into arcs and go straight across the arcs such as I am doing? Can you please be more specific? I don't believe I ever mentioned that anything I was attempting to do was "new" - as far as any prototypical construction was concerned. A variation of the Sibley maybe, but certainly not new. Sorry. I'm not very good at riddles. Maybe you were in a hurry. Can you give us some more information, please. Thanks.

Regards,
Tim

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> TIM......
> What you are doing here is not new....its done in real life...... In South Charleston, wv crossing the river to the West side of Charleston, wv you will find this arrangement..... Going up and over the river.....Although it it no longer used it is still there...... Try Google Earth and you will find pics.... Will try to post one soon..... Bob Conner
>
> --- On Sat, 12/29/12, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Unique Variation On The Sibley
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, December 29, 2012, 2:21 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Tim,
>
> I like it. :-) It may even be a more realistic way of getting over
> the other track. There is nothing particularly accurate about a
> sceniced ramp with sharp walls on both sides. I am pretty sure you
> will find that your trestles will meet the table well into the curve.
> If you put a tunnel at the far end as on the original layout, that will
> mean a tunnel portal at ahigher elevation than the other tracks, as on
> the Sibley layout. That is one of the reasons I like the slightly
> larger version of this track plan in the FAO Schwarz 1949 layout, which
> has extra length that allows all tunnel exits to be at table level.
> Operationally the two layouts are about the same.
>
> Dale
>
> On 12/29/2012 8:05 AM, Timboy wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I hope no one objects to a post from me every now and again to update
> > my Sibley knockoff build. I think I have a unique variation on the
> > elevated inside loop that I would like to share. Hint: not a scenic
> > ramp as in the original. To see pics and details, you are invited to
> > stop by at:
> >
> > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tim
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71102 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/30/2012, 5:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday December 30, 2012
Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm
Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm




Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group

Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT

Date: Sunday May 27, 2012
Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats: This event repeats every week.
Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/
Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71103 From: George Cohn Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: NASG Model Contest Rules Change
On 12/27/2012 1:34 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote:
> I stopped doing model contests many years ago while in HO. This was
> mostly because rivet counters who couldn't carve a toothpick out of a
> wood splinter judging the work of real modelers.

This reminds me of when I was restoring old sports cars. The local club
had a lot of "checkbook restorers."

These were folks who collected trophies and paid big bucks for the
privilege.

Heaven help you if you had owned one since it rolled out of the factory
and pointed out something not quite correct on their "restoration."

I almost got my head handed to me one day for pointing out an error on a
car that was identical to the one I bought new and have owned for 40 years.

It's more fun if you can be creative but still stick to the general
concept. That's why I like old toy trains. They were never meant to be
exact reproductions in most cases, just a fun toy to play with.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 71104 From: Sheila Seccia Date: 12/29/2012
Subject: Re: Pickup slider boxes
Hi Tim,
� There is no way to tighten the pick up shoe.  You must replace the pickup shoe spring. If the pick up shoe part PA11677 is worn, you should also replace that.  Part number for the pick up shoe spring is PA11533.  These are the same for the Alco and GP7 diesels. The new spring will give the shoe more tension and it will hold to the track better.  There's a little trick to replace the spring. 
� Tom Seccia





________________________________
From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 5:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Pickup slider boxes


 
Does anyone have a technique for tightening pickup slider boxes on tender trucks? I have a K335 with one box a little loose and the other getting very loose. The one box has gotten so loose that on straight track, the slider gets inside the rail. Then it catches rail joints causing the truck to jump the track. The more it catches the looser the box gets. The boxes are mounted to the truck side frames with tabs but I can't see a way to tighten them.

The only two solutions I can come up with involve JB Weld or removing the sliders altogether. Anyone have a better idea?

Thanks

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio




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Group: S-Trains Message: 71105 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: Pickup slider boxes
There is most certainly a mechanical way to tighten up the boxes. I have
done lots of them and two as recent as 3 days ago. One of these days I'll
take pictures and / or video and post them. Not difficult at all.
Metallic epoxy. (Bexane) is another option too.
Steve
SnS Trains
Boise





Does anyone have a technique for tightening pickup slider boxes on tender
trucks? I have a K335 with one box a little loose and the other getting
very loose. The one box has gotten so loose that on straight track, the slider
gets inside the rail. Then it catches rail joints causing the truck to
jump the track. The more it catches the looser the box gets. The boxes are
mounted to the truck side frames with tabs but I can't see a way to tighten
them.

The only two solutions I can come up with involve JB Weld or removing the
sliders altogether. Anyone have a better idea?

Thanks

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71106 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
TIM..... No offense...... This BIG "S" CURVE has been in use since before I was born.... 1938 +-..... It was closed only a few years ago..... It was the only connection between the C&O and the NYC and B&O and was used a lot..... I saw MANY trains cross it....Bob
 
Next I will tell you where to find a FULL SIZE RETURN LOOP...... Wonder how they wired it!!!!!!
 
Bob Conner

--- On Sat, 12/29/12, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote:


From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 29, 2012, 7:42 PM



 



Bob,

I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to. I see a curved railroad trestle with a curved deck bridge or three. A while ago someone posted that curved deck bridges were nearly impossible to maintain for very long because after a while the lateral forces would rip them apart. Maybe that is why that section is not being used any longer? It's not safe for heavy freight? Google Maps isn't stable enough on my computer for me to see much detail. I caught a fleeting glimpse of some steel beams underneath. The beams I am using are wooden. Why would RR engineers go to all the trouble of making curved wooden beams when they can just slice the radius into arcs and go straight across the arcs such as I am doing? Can you please be more specific? I don't believe I ever mentioned that anything I was attempting to do was "new" - as far as any prototypical construction was concerned. A variation of the Sibley maybe, but certainly not new. Sorry. I'm not very good at
riddles. Maybe you were in a hurry. Can you give us some more information, please. Thanks.

Regards,
Tim

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> TIM......
> What you are doing here is not new....its done in real life...... In South Charleston, wv crossing the river to the West side of Charleston, wv you will find this arrangement..... Going up and over the river.....Although it it no longer used it is still there...... Try Google Earth and you will find pics.... Will try to post one soon..... Bob Conner
>
> --- On Sat, 12/29/12, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Unique Variation On The Sibley
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, December 29, 2012, 2:21 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Tim,
>
> I like it. :-) It may even be a more realistic way of getting over
> the other track. There is nothing particularly accurate about a
> sceniced ramp with sharp walls on both sides. I am pretty sure you
> will find that your trestles will meet the table well into the curve.
> If you put a tunnel at the far end as on the original layout, that will
> mean a tunnel portal at ahigher elevation than the other tracks, as on
> the Sibley layout. That is one of the reasons I like the slightly
> larger version of this track plan in the FAO Schwarz 1949 layout, which
> has extra length that allows all tunnel exits to be at table level.
> Operationally the two layouts are about the same.
>
> Dale
>
> On 12/29/2012 8:05 AM, Timboy wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I hope no one objects to a post from me every now and again to update
> > my Sibley knockoff build. I think I have a unique variation on the
> > elevated inside loop that I would like to share. Hint: not a scenic
> > ramp as in the original. To see pics and details, you are invited to
> > stop by at:
> >
> > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tim
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>








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Group: S-Trains Message: 71107 From: Thorin Marty Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: DCC w/Sound for AF 343
Good evening:

Yes, I am converting an AF 343 to DCC with sound. First, the true AC motor did
not survive. I want a s-l-o-w switcher. I tried. I wanted to keep the true AC
motor. But a true American Flyer motor cannot rotate slowly; even on high
frequency pulsed DCC. So it will receive a slow-speed S-n-S can motor.

Second, the true AF smoke and choo-choo did not survive. I am not a friend of
clouds of smoke so that was disabled in the late 1970s. That just left the
choo-choo. I examined the locomotive, the choo-choo runs with one chuff every
revolution-and-a-half for the 0-8-0 drivers. This DOES sound great a 80 scale
miles per hour. I want slow speed operation. 10 mph is going fast. I want
four chuffs per driver revolution.

So the AF choo-choo unit came out. That left space in the boiler for the DCC
decoder, sound unit, and speaker.

I am using a Digitrax DH465 (which is really a DH465L0 but they don't tell you
that). It has four amps motor capacity and 6 function outputs. (Two of these
are the headlight and backup light). For sound I am using a Digitrax Soundbug
which piggybacks onto the back of the DH465L0. The Soundbug comes with an
attached a 32 ohm speaker. I tried adding an 8 ohm speaker in series with the
Soundbug speaker. Now ALL of the sound came out of the 8 ohm. As I want most
the sound to emanate from the boiler, that eliminated a tender speaker.
I hunted for a speaker enclosure for the SFX004 Soundbug. A conversation
with the folks of Digitrax informed me the correct speaker enclosure is a deep
bottle cap from a soda bottle. To that end I have collected quite a few of my
wife's 20 oz Mountain Due bottle caps and I drink diet Sierra Mist. I chose a
random cap. It fits perfectly; after I cut two small slots so the speaker wires
could escape. I also filed the sides so it slides easy into the 0-8-0 boiler
(but only if I turn it correctly).

The Soundbug has 8 bit sound. There are much better sound units out there.
Tsunami requires a programming booster with Digitrax. LokSound does not. I
looked at LocSound from Germany. Nice stuff; but not 3 amps or more without a
booster. With the booster it no longer fits in the boiler. I wanted to use a
true AF 4 prong plug and cable between the locomotive and tender. So the
decoder cannot go into the tender and control the locomotive with only four
wires. (I started down the path or rebuilding a Doug Peck repro from 4 pin to 6
pin; elimination of the tender speaker cut it back to four with the decoder in
the boiler). These four wires are left rail, right rail, common, and F0R for
the backup light. The alternative is 11 wires to the locomotive. Therefore the
decoder has to be in the boiler.

Although the LokSound has much better sound, it does not have a cam input. It
'thinks' the chugging. I want something that gives four electrical pulses per
revolution for four chugs. That 'thing' is a sound cam. The way you do this is
to take the back of a driver, split it into four sections so as a wiper rubs the
back of the driver it goes on-off, on-off, on-off, on-off and it repeats. But
the AF chassis is a solid block of metal. It is not open like a real
locomotive. And the drivers are tight against the chassis. So I can't put the
sound cam onto the back of the AF driver.
But I can put it on the back of the PA10671. This is the gear that runs
the piston for the choo-choo unit. Hmm. The ratio of main gear for the 0-8-0
(PA9473) to the PA10671 is 6 to 4. OR the ratio of the 0-8-0 wheel gear to the
smoke unit gear is 6 to 4. OR the wheel gear goes around 1 1/2 times for each
revolution of the smoke unit gear. OR I need to get six cylinder chuffs from
the smoke unit gear to have four chuffs per driver revolution. So I need a
sound cam with six 'on' segments and six 'off' segments. Each 'on' is 20
degrees. Each 'off' is 40 degrees. 6*(20 + 40) = 360 degrees.
Extra knowledge: although ALL AF smoke-in-boiler locomotives use the
PA10671, only the 0-8-0 uses the driver gear PA9473. This math is proven only
for the 0-8-0.

Earlier today I finished adding cab lights. These are two surface mount white
LEDs to the cab roof with a 1K resistor. (I haven't been able to find a seller
for 25 or fewer surface mount warm-white LEDs.)

I used an American Model's FM chassis for another project. It came with two
white headlight LEDs with two control boards. Yesterday I finished adding one
set to the back of the boiler front. When I repainted the model, I painted the
headlight tube white. It really shines up the white-painted tube and lens. I
also added a 'light tube' to the chimney as it wouldn't be an AF 0-8-0 without a
smoke stack that is white-painted on the inside and lights up when the headlight
is on. The light tube is just a piece of U shaped piece of paper glued to the
boiler top to form a 'tube' to the chimney. The inside is painted white. The
outside is painted black.

I attached the cab front walls and milled the front until I now have forward
windows. Currently I have a piece of window glass glueing into place. The
glass is a small piece of an overhead transparency. The glue is Future floor
polish which does not cloud the window and dries absolutely clear. Remember the
cab lights? I am using them to illuminate the cab as I add the windows. The
cab will eventually get a crew and a floor. Under the floor will go red and
yellow LEDs to be the flicker of the fire.

The tender saw a lot of work. I replaced the wheels with S-Helper AF power
replacement wheelsets. I added Ace bushings. (The !@#$$%$ S-Helper wheelsets
came painted with something. This paint is an insulator. It took a long time
to clean all of the gunk off the wheel treads, wheel backs, and the middle of
the axles as ALL of these are related to track power) Now that I had restored
the trucks to what she came with, I added additional wipers to the back of the
S-Helper wheelsets on the OTHER side so I now have four wheel pickup on each
truck; plus the AF sliders on one side. The new pickup wires come up through
holes that were previously used by the reverse unit. That eliminated the
reverse unit for weight.

Next is to cut and etch the sound cam to fit on top of the PA10671. It will be
a disk of etched printed circuit card. I will add small pieces of printed
circuit card to the chassis so I can add phosphor bronze wire power pickups to
the four outer wheels. (The four inner wheels do not touch anything; the treads
are painted black.) Some of these printed circuit pieces will have wipers for
the sound cam on the PA10671. But the PA10671 is very loose on its axle. In
fact, it wobbles. I am thinking of adding a nylon washer to the back of the
sound cam to push against the PA10162 which is the stud that holds the PA10671.
This would push the gear with sound cam to the far end of the stud and reduce
wobble. But right now this is a theory.

The decoder with piggybacked sound unit will be mounted in front of the
PA10671. Remember the small pieces of printed circuit card to add power pickups
for the four drivers? The back of this PC material is just resin which does not
conduct electricity. These pieces will be cut to form a pair of 'posts' to hold
the decoder. (The posts might be 16 of 18 gauge solid copper wire with
insulation.) The decoder will be high enough so you can still see through the
locomotive; under the boiler and above the chassis. The speaker will be in
front of this. The old choo-choo unit was anchored using two screws through the
chassis. I will use the front hole with a new screw to anchor the speaker.
Across the frame from the decoder will be the 'switchboard'. I add plugs to the
ends of all lights and everything else so I can disassemble and fix things. The
switchboard doesn't switch anything. It does provide sockets for the front
headlight, backup light, cab lights, and three firebox circuits. The PA10671
will get a 'cage' so wires cannot get tangled. Part of the job of the cage is
to hold the decoder and switchboard on the inside. (The outside has the posts.)

And now you know my secrets. I have spent months making drawings, running
tests. I am a computer professional. I look at flickering computer screens 8
hours per day. The last thing I want is more eye fatigue in the evening. (Note
this was written on a Saturday.) I do not subscribe to anything online; no
magazines, no U-Tube, no Twitter or Facebook. Sorry, you cannot 'friend' me. I
will not create any 'how to' videos. I do document my work by photographs and
that I can share; if anyone is interested.

The current challenge remains how to tame a wobbly PA10671. Suggestions would
be appreciated.


Thorin Marty
Wauwatosa, WI


Re: DCC w/Sound for AF 343
Posted by: "tennsgauge@..." tennsgauge@... tennsgauger
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:37 pm ((PST))

I do not recall having seen any AF steamers operate with DCC sound? Does
anyone have a link to a utube video.

I am curious about the coordination of sound coming from the choo-choo
mechanism and the speaker with DCC sounds.

- Earl Henry, Nashville



In a message dated 12/29/2012 11:51:15 A.M. Central Standard Time,
kerhart@... writes:


Thorin,

What sound decoder are you using in your 343 w/can motor? Will the decoder
and speaker be mounted in the tender? Thank you.

Keith Erhart


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Group: S-Trains Message: 71108 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
Yes, confirmation is fine, but 'real information' would also be welcome.
Can't get too 'antzy':):).
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

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> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 1:29 PM
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> I did sign up (about two months ago), but haven't received any info as yet.
> Has anyone???
> Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71109 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Bob,

None taken. It's all good. :) :) :) I wonder. Do you - or does anyone - know of an example of a curved deck bridge on trestles AND on a grade in prototype? I have the opportunity to build one on my layout, but I don't want to build even a toy version of something that I have been told is utterly ridiculous. But if there actually was a prototype, then it is fair game. :) :) :)

How would that reverse loop be wired? Very carefully I suspect. LOL.

Regards,
Tim

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> TIM..... No offense...... This BIG "S" CURVE has been in use since before I was born.... 1938 +-..... It was closed only a few years ago..... It was the only connection between the C&O and the NYC and B&O and was used a lot..... I saw MANY trains cross it....Bob
>  
> Next I will tell you where to find a FULL SIZE RETURN LOOP...... Wonder how they wired it!!!!!!
>  
> Bob Conner
>
> --- On Sat, 12/29/12, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, December 29, 2012, 7:42 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Bob,
>
> I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to. I see a curved railroad trestle with a curved deck bridge or three. A while ago someone posted that curved deck bridges were nearly impossible to maintain for very long because after a while the lateral forces would rip them apart. Maybe that is why that section is not being used any longer? It's not safe for heavy freight? Google Maps isn't stable enough on my computer for me to see much detail. I caught a fleeting glimpse of some steel beams underneath. The beams I am using are wooden. Why would RR engineers go to all the trouble of making curved wooden beams when they can just slice the radius into arcs and go straight across the arcs such as I am doing? Can you please be more specific? I don't believe I ever mentioned that anything I was attempting to do was "new" - as far as any prototypical construction was concerned. A variation of the Sibley maybe, but certainly not new. Sorry. I'm not very good at
> riddles. Maybe you were in a hurry. Can you give us some more information, please. Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:
> >
> > TIM......
> > What you are doing here is not new....its done in real life...... In South Charleston, wv crossing the river to the West side of Charleston, wv you will find this arrangement..... Going up and over the river.....Although it it no longer used it is still there...... Try Google Earth and you will find pics.... Will try to post one soon..... Bob Conner
> >
> > --- On Sat, 12/29/12, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Dale Smith <dalefsmith@>
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Unique Variation On The Sibley
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, December 29, 2012, 2:21 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Tim,
> >
> > I like it. :-) It may even be a more realistic way of getting over
> > the other track. There is nothing particularly accurate about a
> > sceniced ramp with sharp walls on both sides. I am pretty sure you
> > will find that your trestles will meet the table well into the curve.
> > If you put a tunnel at the far end as on the original layout, that will
> > mean a tunnel portal at ahigher elevation than the other tracks, as on
> > the Sibley layout. That is one of the reasons I like the slightly
> > larger version of this track plan in the FAO Schwarz 1949 layout, which
> > has extra length that allows all tunnel exits to be at table level.
> > Operationally the two layouts are about the same.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > On 12/29/2012 8:05 AM, Timboy wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I hope no one objects to a post from me every now and again to update
> > > my Sibley knockoff build. I think I have a unique variation on the
> > > elevated inside loop that I would like to share. Hint: not a scenic
> > > ramp as in the original. To see pics and details, you are invited to
> > > stop by at:
> > >
> > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tim
> > >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71110 From: mike Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: wheel puller question
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bud Rindfleisch" <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone heard of a battery terminal clamp puller modified and used for a drive wheel puller on AF steam drivers? I thought I had read somewhere that this was done but have no clue where I read it or even if I did for certain! I have a buddy who is resurrecting some old Flyer he picked up and wants to remove some of the steamer drivers for whatever reason, not sure.
> Bud Rindfleisch
>
Thomas Bakers Greenberg's repair manual shows a wheel puller made from a battery cable puller on page 8 figure I-3. His new manual will most likely show this too. I would recommend to anyone restoring old Flyer trains to obtain the new verson. Mike Gardner
Group: S-Trains Message: 71111 From: Peter Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: AF Circus Passenger Car
Does anyone know the safe way to remove the shell to chassis pins? I think my chassis is plastic so I don't want to harm it.

Thanks,

sanpedroflyer
Presscott, AZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 71112 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: wheel puller question
Years ago I bought Toms book..... Bought the Battery Puller and made it..... It was pretty easy.... After more than 28 years IT STILL WORKS!!!!!!!!! Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 12/30/12, mike <tamerlane_46@...> wrote:


From: mike <tamerlane_46@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: wheel puller question
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 8:08 AM



 





--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bud Rindfleisch" <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone heard of a battery terminal clamp puller modified and used for a drive wheel puller on AF steam drivers? I thought I had read somewhere that this was done but have no clue where I read it or even if I did for certain! I have a buddy who is resurrecting some old Flyer he picked up and wants to remove some of the steamer drivers for whatever reason, not sure.
> Bud Rindfleisch
>
Thomas Bakers Greenberg's repair manual shows a wheel puller made from a battery cable puller on page 8 figure I-3. His new manual will most likely show this too. I would recommend to anyone restoring old Flyer trains to obtain the new verson. Mike Gardner








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Group: S-Trains Message: 71113 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
I have seen curved beams on the Interstate Roadways.... But as an Architect I would try to stay away from that situation due to them being unstable.... A straight beam will span between 2 points.... but a curved beam will rotate and fall on its own...... With proper assembly a curved beam can be made but with proper supports.... additional parallel beams and cross members.... Most spans are kept straight for Structural and Cost Reasons in each segment.....
 
 
 
Now go to Google and enter these cooridnates.... look around them for about a mile or so and you will find the REVERSE LOOP... Its about 15 miles south ofr Roundup, Mt
46 16 48 N 108 25 55W
 
Bob Conner
--- On Sun, 12/30/12, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote:


From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 8:21 AM



 



Bob,

None taken. It's all good. :) :) :) I wonder. Do you - or does anyone - know of an example of a curved deck bridge on trestles AND on a grade in prototype? I have the opportunity to build one on my layout, but I don't want to build even a toy version of something that I have been told is utterly ridiculous. But if there actually was a prototype, then it is fair game. :) :) :)

How would that reverse loop be wired? Very carefully I suspect. LOL.

Regards,
Tim

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> TIM..... No offense...... This BIG "S" CURVE has been in use since before I was born.... 1938 +-..... It was closed only a few years ago..... It was the only connection between the C&O and the NYC and B&O and was used a lot..... I saw MANY trains cross it....Bob
>  
> Next I will tell you where to find a FULL SIZE RETURN LOOP...... Wonder how they wired it!!!!!!
>  
> Bob Conner
>
> --- On Sat, 12/29/12, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, December 29, 2012, 7:42 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Bob,
>
> I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to. I see a curved railroad trestle with a curved deck bridge or three. A while ago someone posted that curved deck bridges were nearly impossible to maintain for very long because after a while the lateral forces would rip them apart. Maybe that is why that section is not being used any longer? It's not safe for heavy freight? Google Maps isn't stable enough on my computer for me to see much detail. I caught a fleeting glimpse of some steel beams underneath. The beams I am using are wooden. Why would RR engineers go to all the trouble of making curved wooden beams when they can just slice the radius into arcs and go straight across the arcs such as I am doing? Can you please be more specific? I don't believe I ever mentioned that anything I was attempting to do was "new" - as far as any prototypical construction was concerned. A variation of the Sibley maybe, but certainly not new. Sorry. I'm not very good
at
> riddles. Maybe you were in a hurry. Can you give us some more information, please. Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:
> >
> > TIM......
> > What you are doing here is not new....its done in real life...... In South Charleston, wv crossing the river to the West side of Charleston, wv you will find this arrangement..... Going up and over the river.....Although it it no longer used it is still there...... Try Google Earth and you will find pics.... Will try to post one soon..... Bob Conner
> >
> > --- On Sat, 12/29/12, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Dale Smith <dalefsmith@>
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Unique Variation On The Sibley
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, December 29, 2012, 2:21 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Tim,
> >
> > I like it. :-) It may even be a more realistic way of getting over
> > the other track. There is nothing particularly accurate about a
> > sceniced ramp with sharp walls on both sides. I am pretty sure you
> > will find that your trestles will meet the table well into the curve.
> > If you put a tunnel at the far end as on the original layout, that will
> > mean a tunnel portal at ahigher elevation than the other tracks, as on
> > the Sibley layout. That is one of the reasons I like the slightly
> > larger version of this track plan in the FAO Schwarz 1949 layout, which
> > has extra length that allows all tunnel exits to be at table level.
> > Operationally the two layouts are about the same.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > On 12/29/2012 8:05 AM, Timboy wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I hope no one objects to a post from me every now and again to update
> > > my Sibley knockoff build. I think I have a unique variation on the
> > > elevated inside loop that I would like to share. Hint: not a scenic
> > > ramp as in the original. To see pics and details, you are invited to
> > > stop by at:
> > >
> > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71114 From: Thorin Marty Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: DCC w/Sound for AF 343
Dear Don:

The 4 amp decoder was recommended by Steve of S-n-S. My own 'stress tests' had
these results:

14.4 V AC on Motor 14.5 V AC on Motor
0.92 A Forward, no load 1.06 A Backward, no load

14.8 V AC on Motor 13.1 V AC on Motor
1.97 A Forward, full stall 1.91 A Backward, full stall

So a decoder bigger than 1.2 is needed by the AC motor.

S-n-S motor stall currents: 1.35 amps one way, 1.26 amps the other. Run
currents are much lower.

This is less than 1.5 Amps. I guess I could have stretched an HO decoder. By
now I owned both the Soundbug and the DH465L0. (The extension is ell-zero
because its lower current mate, the DH165 comes in four flavors. Each flavor
piggybacks the Soundbug in a different way. The DH165L0 and the DH465 accept
the Soundbug the same way. Therefore it is really a DH465L0. This knowledge
helps when looking at Digitrax's decoder and sound information.)

My Digitrax base unit was purchased, by my father, on January 3, 2000. Ten amps
capacity. (My father never did smaller in trains when bigger was possible.
Twenty of something is also better than one or two.) Yes, this Digitrax Super
Chief LocoNet is an older one. Yes, it was unable to program your BN SW-8. It
needs a booster. I bought one and promptly fried my new PowerPak. it has been
repaired (for a price). I did not find this encouraging,

I hope I answered your questions.

I was surprised you didn't jump on this one so I will ask direct. How do you
clean the treads and such on your replacement wheelsets? I used a wire brush in
a Dremel and lots of patience.

Thorin Marty
Wauwatosa, WI




________________________________
From: Don Thompson <don@...>
To: Thorin Marty <lagthor@...>
Cc: SnS <SnSTrains@...>
Sent: Sun, December 30, 2012 5:01:13 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: DCC w/Sound for AF 343

Dear Thorin,
Are you sure you need a 4 amp decoder for the S-n-S motor? I can see it if
you left the original AC Gilbert motor, I would hope that the new motor would
draw much less. Also, I believe that only the older Digitrax systems need the
booster.
Don


On Dec 30, 2012, at 12:41 AM, Thorin Marty wrote:


>Good evening:
>
>Yes, I am converting an AF 343 to DCC with sound. First, the true AC motor did

>not survive. I want a s-l-o-w switcher. I tried. I wanted to keep the true AC
>
>motor. But a true American Flyer motor cannot rotate slowly; even on high
>frequency pulsed DCC. So it will receive a slow-speed S-n-S can motor.
>
>Second, the true AF smoke and choo-choo did not survive. I am not a friend of
>clouds of smoke so that was disabled in the late 1970s. That just left the
>choo-choo. I examined the locomotive, the choo-choo runs with one chuff every
>revolution-and-a-half for the 0-8-0 drivers. This DOES sound great a 80 scale
>miles per hour. I want slow speed operation. 10 mph is going fast. I want
>four chuffs per driver revolution.
>
>So the AF choo-choo unit came out. That left space in the boiler for the DCC
>decoder, sound unit, and speaker.
>
>I am using a Digitrax DH465 (which is really a DH465L0 but they don't tell you
>that). It has four amps motor capacity and 6 function outputs. (Two of these
>are the headlight and backup light). For sound I am using a Digitrax Soundbug
>which piggybacks onto the back of the DH465L0. The Soundbug comes with an
>attached a 32 ohm speaker. I tried adding an 8 ohm speaker in series with the
>Soundbug speaker. Now ALL of the sound came out of the 8 ohm. As I want most
>the sound to emanate from the boiler, that eliminated a tender speaker.
>I hunted for a speaker enclosure for the SFX004 Soundbug. A conversation
>with the folks of Digitrax informed me the correct speaker enclosure is a deep
>bottle cap from a soda bottle. To that end I have collected quite a few of my
>wife's 20 oz Mountain Due bottle caps and I drink diet Sierra Mist. I chose a
>random cap. It fits perfectly; after I cut two small slots so the speaker wires
>
>could escape. I also filed the sides so it slides easy into the 0-8-0 boiler
>(but only if I turn it correctly).
>
>The Soundbug has 8 bit sound. There are much better sound units out there.
>Tsunami requires a programming booster with Digitrax. LokSound does not. I
>looked at LocSound from Germany. Nice stuff; but not 3 amps or more without a
>booster. With the booster it no longer fits in the boiler. I wanted to use a
>true AF 4 prong plug and cable between the locomotive and tender. So the
>decoder cannot go into the tender and control the locomotive with only four
>wires. (I started down the path or rebuilding a Doug Peck repro from 4 pin to 6
>
>pin; elimination of the tender speaker cut it back to four with the decoder in
>the boiler). These four wires are left rail, right rail, common, and F0R for
>the backup light. The alternative is 11 wires to the locomotive. Therefore the
>
>decoder has to be in the boiler.
>
>Although the LokSound has much better sound, it does not have a cam input. It
>'thinks' the chugging. I want something that gives four electrical pulses per
>revolution for four chugs. That 'thing' is a sound cam. The way you do this is
>
>to take the back of a driver, split it into four sections so as a wiper rubs the
>
>back of the driver it goes on-off, on-off, on-off, on-off and it repeats. But
>the AF chassis is a solid block of metal. It is not open like a real
>locomotive. And the drivers are tight against the chassis. So I can't put the

>sound cam onto the back of the AF driver.
>But I can put it on the back of the PA10671. This is the gear that runs
>the piston for the choo-choo unit. Hmm. The ratio of main gear for the 0-8-0
>(PA9473) to the PA10671 is 6 to 4. OR the ratio of the 0-8-0 wheel gear to the

>smoke unit gear is 6 to 4. OR the wheel gear goes around 1 1/2 times for each
>revolution of the smoke unit gear. OR I need to get six cylinder chuffs from
>the smoke unit gear to have four chuffs per driver revolution. So I need a
>sound cam with six 'on' segments and six 'off' segments. Each 'on' is 20
>degrees. Each 'off' is 40 degrees. 6*(20 + 40) = 360 degrees.
>Extra knowledge: although ALL AF smoke-in-boiler locomotives use the
>PA10671, only the 0-8-0 uses the driver gear PA9473. This math is proven only
>for the 0-8-0.
>
>Earlier today I finished adding cab lights. These are two surface mount white
>LEDs to the cab roof with a 1K resistor. (I haven't been able to find a seller

>for 25 or fewer surface mount warm-white LEDs.)
>
>I used an American Model's FM chassis for another project. It came with two
>white headlight LEDs with two control boards. Yesterday I finished adding one
>set to the back of the boiler front. When I repainted the model, I painted the

>headlight tube white. It really shines up the white-painted tube and lens. I
>also added a 'light tube' to the chimney as it wouldn't be an AF 0-8-0 without a
>
>smoke stack that is white-painted on the inside and lights up when the headlight
>
>is on. The light tube is just a piece of U shaped piece of paper glued to the
>boiler top to form a 'tube' to the chimney. The inside is painted white. The
>outside is painted black.
>
>I attached the cab front walls and milled the front until I now have forward
>windows. Currently I have a piece of window glass glueing into place. The
>glass is a small piece of an overhead transparency. The glue is Future floor
>polish which does not cloud the window and dries absolutely clear. Remember the
>
>cab lights? I am using them to illuminate the cab as I add the windows. The
>cab will eventually get a crew and a floor. Under the floor will go red and
>yellow LEDs to be the flicker of the fire.
>
>The tender saw a lot of work. I replaced the wheels with S-Helper AF power
>replacement wheelsets. I added Ace bushings. (The !@#$$%$ S-Helper wheelsets

>came painted with something. This paint is an insulator. It took a long time

>to clean all of the gunk off the wheel treads, wheel backs, and the middle of
>the axles as ALL of these are related to track power) Now that I had restored

>the trucks to what she came with, I added additional wipers to the back of the

>S-Helper wheelsets on the OTHER side so I now have four wheel pickup on each
>truck; plus the AF sliders on one side. The new pickup wires come up through
>holes that were previously used by the reverse unit. That eliminated the
>reverse unit for weight.
>
>Next is to cut and etch the sound cam to fit on top of the PA10671. It will be

>a disk of etched printed circuit card. I will add small pieces of printed
>circuit card to the chassis so I can add phosphor bronze wire power pickups to
>the four outer wheels. (The four inner wheels do not touch anything; the treads
>
>are painted black.) Some of these printed circuit pieces will have wipers for
>the sound cam on the PA10671. But the PA10671 is very loose on its axle. In
>fact, it wobbles. I am thinking of adding a nylon washer to the back of the
>sound cam to push against the PA10162 which is the stud that holds the PA10671.

>This would push the gear with sound cam to the far end of the stud and reduce
>wobble. But right now this is a theory.
>
>The decoder with piggybacked sound unit will be mounted in front of the
>PA10671. Remember the small pieces of printed circuit card to add power pickups
>
>for the four drivers? The back of this PC material is just resin which does not
>
>conduct electricity. These pieces will be cut to form a pair of 'posts' to hold
>
>the decoder. (The posts might be 16 of 18 gauge solid copper wire with
>insulation.) The decoder will be high enough so you can still see through the
>locomotive; under the boiler and above the chassis. The speaker will be in
>front of this. The old choo-choo unit was anchored using two screws through the
>
>chassis. I will use the front hole with a new screw to anchor the speaker.
>Across the frame from the decoder will be the 'switchboard'. I add plugs to the
>
>ends of all lights and everything else so I can disassemble and fix things. The
>
>switchboard doesn't switch anything. It does provide sockets for the front
>headlight, backup light, cab lights, and three firebox circuits. The PA10671
>will get a 'cage' so wires cannot get tangled. Part of the job of the cage is
>to hold the decoder and switchboard on the inside. (The outside has the
posts.)
>
>And now you know my secrets. I have spent months making drawings, running
>tests. I am a computer professional. I look at flickering computer screens 8
>hours per day. The last thing I want is more eye fatigue in the evening. (Note
>
>this was written on a Saturday.) I do not subscribe to anything online; no
>magazines, no U-Tube, no Twitter or Facebook. Sorry, you cannot 'friend' me. I
>
>will not create any 'how to' videos. I do document my work by photographs and
>that I can share; if anyone is interested.
>
>The current challenge remains how to tame a wobbly PA10671. Suggestions would
>be appreciated.
>
>Thorin Marty
>Wauwatosa, WI
>
>Re: DCC w/Sound for AF 343
>Posted by: "tennsgauge@..." tennsgauge@... tennsgauger
>Date: Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:37 pm ((PST))
>
>I do not recall having seen any AF steamers operate with DCC sound? Does
>anyone have a link to a utube video.
>
>I am curious about the coordination of sound coming from the choo-choo
>mechanism and the speaker with DCC sounds.
>
>- Earl Henry, Nashville
>
>In a message dated 12/29/2012 11:51:15 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>kerhart@... writes:
>
>Thorin,
>
>What sound decoder are you using in your 343 w/can motor? Will the decoder
>and speaker be mounted in the tender? Thank you.
>
>Keith Erhart
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71115 From: Alan Lambert Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
From: Alan Lambert
Fort Worth, Texas
Rance,
They probably haven't had time to put out a newsletter for "S" yet. I will find out more next weekend at my local Worlds Greatest Hobby Show. My club will be running trains  so I will have all weeekend to ask them questions.
� Alan Lambert


________________________________
From: Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] M.T. H. newsletter....

 

Yes, confirmation is fine, but 'real information' would also be welcome. Can't get too 'antzy':):). regards, Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Michael Rector <mailto:mike_erector%40yahoo.com>wrote: > ** > > > I signed up and rec'd a confirmation the same day. > > Mike R in Ohio > > ________________________________ > From: "mailto:boss31%40aol.com" <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] M.T. H. newsletter.... > > > > Me too, and No! > Steve > > In a message dated 12/28/2012 9:14:39 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > mailto:rvelapoldi%40gmail.com writes: > > Hi all: > I did sign up (about two months ago), but haven't received any info as yet. > Has anyone??? > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Rick Evans <mailto:_bassflyer%40charter.net_ > (mailto:mailto:bassflyer%40charter.net) > wrote: > > > ** >
> > > > > Did ya sign-up for your's yet? :^) > > > > _http://www.mthtrains.com/news/499_ (http://www.mthtrains.com/news/499) > > > > MTH Enters S Scale In 2013 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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Group: S-Trains Message: 71116 From: Alan Lambert Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
From: Alan Lambert
� Fort Worth, Texas

Rance,
They probably haven't had time to put out a newsletter for "S" yet. I will find out more next weekend at my local Worlds Greatest Hobby Show. My club will be running trains  so I will have all weeekend to ask them questions.
� Alan Lambert


________________________________
From: Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] M.T. H. newsletter....


 

Yes, confirmation is fine, but 'real information' would also be welcome.
Can't get too 'antzy':):).
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Michael Rector <mailto:mike_erector%40yahoo.com>wrote:

> **
>
>
> I signed up and rec'd a confirmation the same day.
>
> Mike R in Ohio
>
> ________________________________
> From: "mailto:boss31%40aol.com" <mailto:boss31%40aol.com>
> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 1:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] M.T. H. newsletter....
>
>
>
> Me too, and No!
> Steve
>
> In a message dated 12/28/2012 9:14:39 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> mailto:rvelapoldi%40gmail.com writes:
>
> Hi all:
> I did sign up (about two months ago), but haven't received any info as yet.
> Has anyone???
> Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Rick Evans <mailto:_bassflyer%40charter.net_
> (mailto:mailto:bassflyer%40charter.net) > wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Did ya sign-up for your's yet? :^)
> >
> > _http://www.mthtrains.com/news/499_ (http://www.mthtrains.com/news/499)
> >
> > MTH Enters S Scale In 2013
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71117 From: Carey Probst Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: Decals
Thanks all,

I was trying to get it right for the new S-'n-S trains site and the one
I had didn't work. Steve wanted to add the link.

Carey
Carey Probst

Carey Probst

Member, M.I.T. Educational Council

S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

On 12/29/2012 4:18 PM, David wrote:
>
> Carey,
> Our Email address is dave@...
> <mailto:dave%40lbrenterprisesllc.com>
> Dave
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have the correct URL for Dave at LBREnterprises for decals?
> >
> > My saved link sends me to a automotive dismanteler.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Carey
> > --
> > Carey Probst
> >
> > Carey Probst
> >
> > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
> >
> > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
> >
> > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
> State,
> >
> > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
> >
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71118 From: Jeff Faust Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Don't call it a "knockoff," Tim. It's a "tribute." :-)

--Jeff


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I hope no one objects to a post from me every now and again to update my Sibley knockoff build. I think I have a unique variation on the elevated inside loop that I would like to share. Hint: not a scenic ramp as in the original. To see pics and details, you are invited to stop by at:
>
> http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71119 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/30/2012, 5:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71120 From: tbennerohio Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: Pickup slider boxes
Thanks everyone. Per Steve's post I was able to tighten the box mechanically. In the light day I was ale to see that the tabs point inward toward the enter of the truck and box. Using a long thin screwdriver the tabs can be pushed in from the ends of the truck being careful not to distort the box. That took about 95% of the play from the box. Then for good measure a tiny fillet of JB Weld was applied. After that cures it should be good as new.

Thanks again.

Tim Benner

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a technique for tightening pickup slider boxes on tender trucks? I have a K335 with one box a little loose and the other getting very loose. The one box has gotten so loose that on straight track, the slider gets inside the rail. Then it catches rail joints causing the truck to jump the track. The more it catches the looser the box gets. The boxes are mounted to the truck side frames with tabs but I can't see a way to tighten them.
>
> The only two solutions I can come up with involve JB Weld or removing the sliders altogether. Anyone have a better idea?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71121 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
The only curved trestle I saw was of short 20 to 25 foot straight beams. The tracks curved but the beams straight. Bob Lampe

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: rcon7@...
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 08:03:30 -0800
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley


























I have seen curved beams on the Interstate Roadways.... But as an Architect I would try to stay away from that situation due to them being unstable.... A straight beam will span between 2 points.... but a curved beam will rotate and fall on its own...... With proper assembly a curved beam can be made but with proper supports.... additional parallel beams and cross members.... Most spans are kept straight for Structural and Cost Reasons in each segment.....







Now go to Google and enter these cooridnates.... look around them for about a mile or so and you will find the REVERSE LOOP... Its about 15 miles south ofr Roundup, Mt

46 16 48 N 108 25 55W



Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 12/30/12, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote:



From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 8:21 AM







Bob,



None taken. It's all good. :) :) :) I wonder. Do you - or does anyone - know of an example of a curved deck bridge on trestles AND on a grade in prototype? I have the opportunity to build one on my layout, but I don't want to build even a toy version of something that I have been told is utterly ridiculous. But if there actually was a prototype, then it is fair game. :) :) :)



How would that reverse loop be wired? Very carefully I suspect. LOL.



Regards,

Tim



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:

>

> TIM..... No offense...... This BIG "S" CURVE has been in use since before I was born.... 1938 +-..... It was closed only a few years ago..... It was the only connection between the C&O and the NYC and B&O and was used a lot..... I saw MANY trains cross it....Bob

> �

> Next I will tell you where to find a FULL SIZE RETURN LOOP...... Wonder how they wired it!!!!!!

> �

> Bob Conner

>

> --- On Sat, 12/29/12, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote:

>

>

> From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>

> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Saturday, December 29, 2012, 7:42 PM

>

>

>

> �

>

>

>

> Bob,

>

> I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to. I see a curved railroad trestle with a curved deck bridge or three. A while ago someone posted that curved deck bridges were nearly impossible to maintain for very long because after a while the lateral forces would rip them apart. Maybe that is why that section is not being used any longer? It's not safe for heavy freight? Google Maps isn't stable enough on my computer for me to see much detail. I caught a fleeting glimpse of some steel beams underneath. The beams I am using are wooden. Why would RR engineers go to all the trouble of making curved wooden beams when they can just slice the radius into arcs and go straight across the arcs such as I am doing? Can you please be more specific? I don't believe I ever mentioned that anything I was attempting to do was "new" - as far as any prototypical construction was concerned. A variation of the Sibley maybe, but certainly not new. Sorry. I'm not very good

at

> riddles. Maybe you were in a hurry. Can you give us some more information, please. Thanks.

>

> Regards,

> Tim

>

> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:

> >

> > TIM......

> > What you are doing here is not new....its done in real life...... In South Charleston, wv crossing the river to the West side of Charleston, wv you will find this arrangement..... Going up and over the river.....Although it it no longer used it is still there...... Try Google Earth and you will find pics.... Will try to post one soon..... Bob Conner

> >

> > --- On Sat, 12/29/12, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > From: Dale Smith <dalefsmith@>

> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Unique Variation On The Sibley

> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> > Date: Saturday, December 29, 2012, 2:21 PM

> >

> >

> >

> > ���

> >

> >

> >

> > Tim,

> >

> > I like it. :-) It may even be a more realistic way of getting over

> > the other track. There is nothing particularly accurate about a

> > sceniced ramp with sharp walls on both sides. I am pretty sure you

> > will find that your trestles will meet the table well into the curve.

> > If you put a tunnel at the far end as on the original layout, that will

> > mean a tunnel portal at ahigher elevation than the other tracks, as on

> > the Sibley layout. That is one of the reasons I like the slightly

> > larger version of this track plan in the FAO Schwarz 1949 layout, which

> > has extra length that allows all tunnel exits to be at table level.

> > Operationally the two layouts are about the same.

> >

> > Dale

> >

> > On 12/29/2012 8:05 AM, Timboy wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > I hope no one objects to a post from me every now and again to update

> > > my Sibley knockoff build. I think I have a unique variation on the

> > > elevated inside loop that I would like to share. Hint: not a scenic

> > > ramp as in the original. To see pics and details, you are invited to

> > > stop by at:

> > >

> > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Tim

> > >

> > >

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> >

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71122 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: M.T. H. newsletter....
Hi Alan:
Sounds great. Looking forward to getting some info from them. Interesting
that I lived only a few miles from MTH (about 10), and actually had their
au pair and her mother) to our house for dinner (she was Norwegian). In
any event, I often wished that they sold S gauge trains. Unfortunately,
they are now that we moved after I retired. That's the breaks.
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> From: Alan Lambert
> Fort Worth, Texas
>
> Rance,
> They probably haven't had time to put out a newsletter for "S" yet. I will
> find out more next weekend at my local Worlds Greatest Hobby Show. My club
> will be running trains so I will have all weeekend to ask them questions.
> Alan Lambert
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] M.T. H. newsletter....
>
>
>
>
> Yes, confirmation is fine, but 'real information' would also be welcome.
> Can't get too 'antzy':):).
> regards,
> Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Michael Rector <mailto:
> mike_erector%40yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > I signed up and rec'd a confirmation the same day.
> >
> > Mike R in Ohio
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "mailto:boss31%40aol.com" <mailto:boss31%40aol.com>
> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 1:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] M.T. H. newsletter....
> >
> >
> >
> > Me too, and No!
> > Steve
> >
> > In a message dated 12/28/2012 9:14:39 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> > mailto:rvelapoldi%40gmail.com writes:
> >
> > Hi all:
> > I did sign up (about two months ago), but haven't received any info as
> yet.
> > Has anyone???
> > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Rick Evans <mailto:
> _bassflyer%40charter.net_
> > (mailto:mailto:bassflyer%40charter.net) > wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Did ya sign-up for your's yet? :^)
> > >
> > > _http://www.mthtrains.com/news/499_ (http://www.mthtrains.com/news/499
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> > >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71123 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Bob,

That is pretty much my understanding of curved steel beams. I don't think curved wooden beams exist in any meaningful way.


Jeff,

I like the way you think! :) :) :)


Robert,

Exactly.


All,

I don't think there is a prototypical occurrence of a curved (using straight tangents on arcs) deck bridge on an upgrade of trestles and if there was, it would be a rare event. I could easily build one on my toy train layout but I am opting not to. Even though all the components of my toy train layout are gross caricatures of real things, they at least have their basis in the real world.

Thanks,
Tim


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote:
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> I have seen curved beams on the Interstate Roadways.... But as an Architect I would try to stay away from that situation due to them being unstable.... A straight beam will span between 2 points.... but a curved beam will rotate and fall on its own...... With proper assembly a curved beam can be made but with proper supports.... additional parallel beams and cross members.... Most spans are kept straight for Structural and Cost Reasons in each segment.....
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> Now go to Google and enter these cooridnates.... look around them for about a mile or so and you will find the REVERSE LOOP... Its about 15 miles south ofr Roundup, Mt
> 46 16 48 N 108 25 55W
>  
> Bob Conner
> --- On Sun, 12/30/12, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 8:21 AM
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> Bob,
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> None taken. It's all good. :) :) :) I wonder. Do you - or does anyone - know of an example of a curved deck bridge on trestles AND on a grade in prototype? I have the opportunity to build one on my layout, but I don't want to build even a toy version of something that I have been told is utterly ridiculous. But if there actually was a prototype, then it is fair game. :) :) :)
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> How would that reverse loop be wired? Very carefully I suspect. LOL.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:
> >
> > TIM..... No offense...... This BIG "S" CURVE has been in use since before I was born.... 1938 +-..... It was closed only a few years ago..... It was the only connection between the C&O and the NYC and B&O and was used a lot..... I saw MANY trains cross it....Bob
> >  
> > Next I will tell you where to find a FULL SIZE RETURN LOOP...... Wonder how they wired it!!!!!!
> >  
> > Bob Conner
> >
> > --- On Sat, 12/29/12, Timboy <timstrains2000@> wrote:
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> > From: Timboy <timstrains2000@>
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, December 29, 2012, 7:42 PM
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> > Bob,
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> > I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to. I see a curved railroad trestle with a curved deck bridge or three. A while ago someone posted that curved deck bridges were nearly impossible to maintain for very long because after a while the lateral forces would rip them apart. Maybe that is why that section is not being used any longer? It's not safe for heavy freight? Google Maps isn't stable enough on my computer for me to see much detail. I caught a fleeting glimpse of some steel beams underneath. The beams I am using are wooden. Why would RR engineers go to all the trouble of making curved wooden beams when they can just slice the radius into arcs and go straight across the arcs such as I am doing? Can you please be more specific? I don't believe I ever mentioned that anything I was attempting to do was "new" - as far as any prototypical construction was concerned. A variation of the Sibley maybe, but certainly not new. Sorry. I'm not very good
> at
> > riddles. Maybe you were in a hurry. Can you give us some more information, please. Thanks.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tim
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@> wrote:
> > >
> > > TIM......
> > > What you are doing here is not new....its done in real life...... In South Charleston, wv crossing the river to the West side of Charleston, wv you will find this arrangement..... Going up and over the river.....Although it it no longer used it is still there...... Try Google Earth and you will find pics.... Will try to post one soon..... Bob Conner
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 12/29/12, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@> wrote:
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> > >
> > > From: Dale Smith <dalefsmith@>
> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Unique Variation On The Sibley
> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Saturday, December 29, 2012, 2:21 PM
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> > > Tim,
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> > > I like it. :-) It may even be a more realistic way of getting over
> > > the other track. There is nothing particularly accurate about a
> > > sceniced ramp with sharp walls on both sides. I am pretty sure you
> > > will find that your trestles will meet the table well into the curve.
> > > If you put a tunnel at the far end as on the original layout, that will
> > > mean a tunnel portal at ahigher elevation than the other tracks, as on
> > > the Sibley layout. That is one of the reasons I like the slightly
> > > larger version of this track plan in the FAO Schwarz 1949 layout, which
> > > has extra length that allows all tunnel exits to be at table level.
> > > Operationally the two layouts are about the same.
> > >
> > > Dale
> > >
> > > On 12/29/2012 8:05 AM, Timboy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I hope no one objects to a post from me every now and again to update
> > > > my Sibley knockoff build. I think I have a unique variation on the
> > > > elevated inside loop that I would like to share. Hint: not a scenic
> > > > ramp as in the original. To see pics and details, you are invited to
> > > > stop by at:
> > > >
> > > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Tim
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71124 From: JOHN and CAROL Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Timboy wrote:
"Do you - or does anyone - know of an example of a curved deck bridge on trestles AND on a grade in prototype? I have the opportunity to build one on my layout, but I don't want to build even a toy version of something that I have been told is utterly ridiculous. But if there actually was a prototype, then it is fair game."


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Tim,

A curved trestle bridge on a grade is most definitely prototypical, and those who tell you it's ridiculous don't know all their rail history.

My dear friend and S mentor, the late Jess Bennett of Careywood, Idaho, modeled just such a bridge on his world-famous 1,000-square-foot S-scale layout. The prototype trestle actually existed on the Idaho-Montana border. You can see some of Jess's incredible craftsmanship on this short YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jXvp_8BDOY

Look especially at the :51, 1:27, and 1:44 marks.

Unfortunately, after Jess made his final run, his layout was torn down. If any of his fellow IESGAPN members (Bud?) have still photographs of that beautiful S-curve trestle, I'll bet Tim would like to see them.

YourS,
John Eichmann
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
Boise
www.rockymountainhirailers.com


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Group: S-Trains Message: 71125 From: alsflyer Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: FIRE !! A Safety Warning
Hi Guys,

Jean and I just one hour ago had a big scare. I had been running some of my trains around our Christmas tree and left the transformer on while getting a drink. I had just sat down and was watching TV when all of a sudden there was a loud POP! MY cats went running out of the room and my wife yelled FIRE ! I jumped up and ran over toward the tree and saw smoke and fire coming out of the bottom of one of the transformers, the one I had left on. Man, I grabbed the power cord and unplugged it and pulled the transformer off the floor and somehow undid the power wires to the track and ran it out to the garage and placed it on the concrete still smoking hot.

I believe that the POP was the short in the transformer and it had blown out the circuit breaker on the power strip and also the main breaker for that power line in the basement. I was really lucky that the carpet was not burnt but it was very hot when I touched it. Luckily, I did NOT have it on the cotton snow so that did not catch fire.

Please be careful with your transformers and unplug them if you are not using them. You can never be careful enough. ALSO, I believe it to be in everyones interest to place something under the transformer such as a piece of wood so you do not burn your carpet, linoleum, or wood floor. And never place it on the cotton snow if you are using this at Christmas time.

Al Rawdon

PS - I am posting this to as many groups as possible as a safety warning.
Group: S-Trains Message: 71126 From: hunbet Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
http://www.sdrm.org/gallery/sda/gorge/index.html

> Timboy wrote:
> "Do you - or does anyone - know of an example of a curved deck bridge on trestles AND on a grade in prototype? I have the opportunity to build one on my layout, but I don't want to build even a toy version of something that I have been told is utterly ridiculous. But if there actually was a prototype, then it is fair game."
Group: S-Trains Message: 71127 From: Timboy Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
From this and other info I have received off-list, I am concluding that I can build a toy version of anything I can think of and there will be either an exact prototype of it or at least something plausibly close. I determined a long time ago that I can construct any scenery I want and not have to worry about it not having a basis somewhere on this earth. :) :) :) :)

Thanks everyone!

-Tim

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hunbet" <68cuda440@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.sdrm.org/gallery/sda/gorge/index.html
>
> > Timboy wrote:
> > "Do you - or does anyone - know of an example of a curved deck bridge on trestles AND on a grade in prototype? I have the opportunity to build one on my layout, but I don't want to build even a toy version of something that I have been told is utterly ridiculous. But if there actually was a prototype, then it is fair game."
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71128 From: Robert Conner Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
Yes the bridge is curved but I bet the BEAMS between the BENTS are not....They are segments.... They are straight and the track is laid in a curve....
Bob Conner

--- On Sun, 12/30/12, hunbet <68cuda440@...> wrote:


From: hunbet <68cuda440@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Unique Variation On The Sibley
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 11:20 PM



 



http://www.sdrm.org/gallery/sda/gorge/index.html

> Timboy wrote:
> "Do you - or does anyone - know of an example of a curved deck bridge on trestles AND on a grade in prototype? I have the opportunity to build one on my layout, but I don't want to build even a toy version of something that I have been told is utterly ridiculous. But if there actually was a prototype, then it is fair game."








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Group: S-Trains Message: 71129 From: mrstumpy50 Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Fire! A safety warning!
Al's point is well taken. We're dealing with fifty plus year old technology with slow acting circuit breakers and old wiring. A breaker equipped power stick and a piece of plywood under the transformer is a prudent addition to the operation.

But even when new, these transformers could be a hazard as I found out at age five when my year old Flyer transformer burned up by being left plugged in when not in use! Fortunately it was on a new layout Dad built in the basement for my Flyer stuff and smoke was detected coming up the basement stairs before a major blaze got going!

Minimal fire, but lots of smoke. Unplugging the transformer stopped the burning and the few flames were beaten out with a wet dish rag. After playing fireman in the middle of dinner, Dad was less than amused, and I NEVER left anything like that plugged in again! (Still don't either!)

No more trains until Christmas when Santa relented and made a delivery. :-)
Stumpy in Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 71130 From: Timboy Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: FIRE !! A Safety Warning
Al,

Glad you guys caught it in time!

As a precaution, I always use a dedicated circuit for my layouts. It is protected by a GFI. I don't know if even that would have been enough in your case. Another precaution I take is to run a lead from the base post rail into the round ground prong of a 3-prong plug. The other two spades are left empty. I then put that plug into an electrical receptacle. The theory is if there is ever a short between the primary and secondary transformer coils, the household current will go to ground - instead of to me, if I am touching the track. Any transformer can fail - especially if it is 60+ years old.

Regards,
Tim

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "alsflyer" <alsflyer@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Jean and I just one hour ago had a big scare. I had been running some of my trains around our Christmas tree and left the transformer on while getting a drink. I had just sat down and was watching TV when all of a sudden there was a loud POP! MY cats went running out of the room and my wife yelled FIRE ! I jumped up and ran over toward the tree and saw smoke and fire coming out of the bottom of one of the transformers, the one I had left on. Man, I grabbed the power cord and unplugged it and pulled the transformer off the floor and somehow undid the power wires to the track and ran it out to the garage and placed it on the concrete still smoking hot.
>
> I believe that the POP was the short in the transformer and it had blown out the circuit breaker on the power strip and also the main breaker for that power line in the basement. I was really lucky that the carpet was not burnt but it was very hot when I touched it. Luckily, I did NOT have it on the cotton snow so that did not catch fire.
>
> Please be careful with your transformers and unplug them if you are not using them. You can never be careful enough. ALSO, I believe it to be in everyones interest to place something under the transformer such as a piece of wood so you do not burn your carpet, linoleum, or wood floor. And never place it on the cotton snow if you are using this at Christmas time.
>
> Al Rawdon
>
> PS - I am posting this to as many groups as possible as a safety warning.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 71131 From: tbennerohio Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: TMCC Powermaster fuse
I use TMCC for track control, one Powermaster for each loop of track. Last night, while running an AF PA set, one loop went dead with no green light on the Powermaster. The inline fuse is blown, although the 10A fast blow to the track is not blown.

The inline PM fuse reads 7.5A 250V. I would like to find a replacement in case the whole PM is not fried. But I can't tell if it is fast or slow blow. it does have coils on one side.

Does anyone know what type of fuse this takes? I am finding nothing in the Lionel instructions or online.

Thanks and regards,

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 71132 From: Robert Lampe Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: TMCC Powermaster fuse
The best advice I can give is look at the blown fuse and buy EXACTLY the same thing unless you find out different Bob Lampe

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: tim.benner@...
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:46:26 +0000
Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC Powermaster fuse


























I use TMCC for track control, one Powermaster for each loop of track. Last night, while running an AF PA set, one loop went dead with no green light on the Powermaster. The inline fuse is blown, although the 10A fast blow to the track is not blown.



The inline PM fuse reads 7.5A 250V. I would like to find a replacement in case the whole PM is not fried. But I can't tell if it is fast or slow blow. it does have coils on one side.



Does anyone know what type of fuse this takes? I am finding nothing in the Lionel instructions or online.



Thanks and regards,



Tim Benner

Dayton, Ohio


























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Group: S-Trains Message: 71133 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: FIRE !! A Safety Warning
I've heard of this happening�.. thanks for posting!
On Dec 30, 2012, at 10:26 PM, alsflyer wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> Jean and I just one hour ago had a big scare. I had been running some of my trains around our Christmas tree and left the transformer on while getting a drink. I had just sat down and was watching TV when all of a sudden there was a loud POP! MY cats went running out of the room and my wife yelled FIRE ! I jumped up and ran over toward the tree and saw smoke and fire coming out of the bottom of one of the transformers, the one I had left on. Man, I grabbed the power cord and unplugged it and pulled the transformer off the floor and somehow undid the power wires to the track and ran it out to the garage and placed it on the concrete still smoking hot.
>
> I believe that the POP was the short in the transformer and it had blown out the circuit breaker on the power strip and also the main breaker for that power line in the basement. I was really lucky that the carpet was not burnt but it was very hot when I touched it. Luckily, I did NOT have it on the cotton snow so that did not catch fire.
>
> Please be careful with your transformers and unplug them if you are not using them. You can never be careful enough. ALSO, I believe it to be in everyones interest to place something under the transformer such as a piece of wood so you do not burn your carpet, linoleum, or wood floor. And never place it on the cotton snow if you are using this at Christmas time.
>
> Al Rawdon
>
> PS - I am posting this to as many groups as possible as a safety warning.
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 71134 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: NICROME WIRE
Can anyone give me the gauge & length of Nicrome wire for a standard smoke
unit? Thank You, Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71135 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Those new Flyonel Y3s--I Like mine!
Hi all,
Well, just before Christmas my N & W Y3 "Mallett" arrived. As I STILL don't
have any track to run on, I took it with me to Dunsmuir over Christmas and
pestered by friend Mike Wright to run it on his Christmas layout. Photos are
in the Files section of the Yahoo group's site under "David D's
Stuff/Mike's layout 2012 and my Y3." It took me a little time to set up the
Trainmaster controller I got at a train show a while back, and then I had to
read some of the instructions in the engine's manual (egads, what happened
to the place it and run it days?). I'm very impressed with it. It runs
backwards through AF switches and reverse curves as easily as when it's
going forward. Clearance issues don't seem to be any more than the ACG
Northern, or the heavyweight passenger cars. Sounds are nice, especially the
variable pitch whistle. The smoke unit started out fine, but diminished
later--I may have inadvertently turned it off from the command buttons, or
overfilled it, don't know yet. Crew talk, while I doubt it's prototypical
(did they use radios in the steam era?) is fun--on shut down, the crew
announces that they're "goin' for beans." (standard RR slang for eats) It
pulled his set of SP heavyweight passenger cars like nothing was behind it,
so it's probably a good hauler. Our excuse for an N & W engine pulling SP
varnish is that SP was shopping for a new design and borrowed it for
testing! There is a lot of fine detail one has to be careful with on the
engine, but its not as fragile as the U33B handrails!
Now if they'd just take this chassis, turn it around and put a Cab-Forward
boiler on it!!!! Out here in SP territory, I suspect that loco would sell
out in hours!
Enjoy the pics, Mike does a bang-up job of track design and "on the floor"
layout building!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 71136 From: Lennis Hall Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: NICROME WIRE
Hope this helps!

http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic1.htm





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From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...>
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: NICROME WIRE


 
Can anyone give me the gauge & length of Nicrome wire for a standard smoke
unit? Thank You, Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 71137 From: NEIL FERRIS Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Re: NICROME WIRE
Mike,
40 gauge is the correct size.  I get mine from Jacobs Online (http://www.jacobs-online.biz/nichrome_wire.htm).  I use an 8" piece and have a little over 1" sticking out through each hole to wrap around the terminal lug. That usually gives me between 35 and 40 ohms resistance and lots of smoke.
Neil in Oregon

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From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: NICROME WIRE
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
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Group: S-Trains Message: 71138 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: Help with SHS F-3 A unit
HI all,
Another posting from my trip to Dunsmuir. My friend Mike has an SHS F-3 A&B
(SP Black Widow) that used to be his favorite engine set to run. He uses
traditional AC power, straight up, not remote controlling features (well,
whistle button). When he took it out of the box last year, it wouldn't run.
I tried it this year, and all it would do is Buzz loudly (from the speaker).
I took the shell off, and it would run normally, forward, neutral, reverse.
Put the shell on, nada. Putting the shell on connects the speaker to the
sound board, that's the only electrical difference I can find. I was playing
around, and found if I pushed the whistle button (DC pulse type), the engine
would run forward! Strange. . . .
Anyone else have any ideas? If not, it's going to have to go back to Dallee
for an operation! Unfortunately I did not bring it with me, so I won't know
if any fix works for a while!
Thanks all.
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 71139 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: U33B truck pivoting fix
Hi all,
While I was in Dunsmuir visiting my friend Mike, he got out his as-yet
run SP U33 engine. When I placed it on the tracks, the leading truck
derailed in the first curve, and any other curves afterwards. I turned it
around, and now the trailing truck derailed (same truck). Hmm, scale wheels
maybe?? Nope. Since I had tested MY U33 on his layout last year, I knew it
should work--even though this years is a different track plan. Well hmm,
looking things over, the trailing truck pivots more than the leading truck.
Although this was a new locomotive, we were fairly certain it was way beyond
warranty period, so I took the shell off. The leading truck has a pin that
goes through the chassis and limits motion. The slot in the chassis showed
where someone had filed it out some, and there was a thin clear plastic
piece with a slot in it that the pin also went through. The plastic piece
had a "shorter" slot than the chassis. It is well-glued to the top of the
chassis, so I took a round jeweler's file and made it a little big longer.
No more derailing! My loco is in storage, so I can't check it out, but I'm
wondering if these is a known problem, or if maybe Mike's engine was
"doctored" and then put back in stock?
BTW, it was a pain getting all the wires in the right places to put the
shell back on, and the antenna plate had fallen off the shell top as the
glue had let go (I secured it with some electrical tape).
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 71140 From: Ben Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: 635 Type IV- rare crane found
I was just over at a friend's house for New Year's festivities and was chatting with his son about his Flyer layout in the basement. The trains were those of his great grandfather.

Among common 631, 630, and 633 freight cars was the 635 with unpainted blued steel roof and chrome stack from 1948. The red on red version is listed in Doyle's books as $300-550. The blued steel roof version is listed as the famous "too rarely traded to accurately establish pricing."

So...what is this thing worth, anyway? I just want to tell him how much his family train car is worth.

I sold my common red on yellow version some years ago as I had no use for it, but I knew the one Michael had was special.